3d-modeling

[tough plover]

I see you have quite a lot of texture sets (materials), might want to reduce that if possible. (assuming all of them are for the base avatar and not things like clothing)

[quiet coral]

thats the thing i did move them all over

let me make double sure that there isnt some im missing

cause some of them did have stacked uv and i moved them over one on the x axis which works fine. But the main body from what im seeing only has one uv but no other side of the uv anywhere else

see what i mean?

[tough plover]

to separate that, you'll want to select half of the mesh in edit mode, then move the UVs. that'll allow you to separate them

use X-ray mode and snap the camera to the front

and use Face selection, not vertex selection

@quiet coral

[quiet coral]

k done, rebaking now

ill do atlasing and what not after i make sure all this is good

the eyes are still weird but everything else seems to be all good now thank you ❤️

@tough plover you wouldnt happen to know of any good atlasing tools? i only know the old-fashioned way of just shoving UVs in corners and dividing UVs up in like 1/6 or 1/4s and then blocking the textures up like that

[tough plover]

ideally, you shouldn't even be atlasing

you should have started with fewer materials, and packed the UVs properly

atlasing can result in a lot of wasted UV space, and inconsistent UV density

[quiet coral]

well the model came in seperate meshes with seperate materials, i think only thing i could do is atlas since i didnt make this from scratch

[tough plover]

are you redoing the textures from scratch?

[quiet coral]

yeah since they didnt come with substance only photoshop files......and i aint do photoshop XD

wait

since im doing it from scratch it means i could just shove all the uvs together and squeze it all in.......im dumb

[tough plover]

yea, there's nothing stopping you from just combining materials and packing their UVs together

the only ones I'd consider keeping separate are ones that will require transparency, and maybe the eyes

[quiet coral]

i use some textures but i can just redo them since theyre just simple textures

ye

[tough plover]

I'd also maintain stacked UVs whereever possible, since those do help a lot with improving density. I'd also recommend using a good UV packing algorithm, I personally use UVPackmaster but it's paid. Blender's native packing algorithm got a lot better after 3.6, so I'd just recommend using a modern version of blender and it should be ok.

[quiet coral]

okie dokie

ill download a more recent version of blender then, thank you so much for all the help i really appreciate it ❤️

[timber tide]

What do i do to make the rest of the nails move with the foot?

[hushed leaf]

weight paint them to the foot bone

[timber tide]

thanks that worked i tried the first time but ig i didnt try hard enough lol

[hushed leaf]

ah nice. Weight painting isn't easy 🙂

[steady zealot]

I redid the hair on my avatar! (It was always inspired by Final Fantasy so if you think it looks pretty much like Cloud's hair from 7, you're not far off!)
The old hair was my first time ever doing hair (The entire avatar is my first time doing a person from scratch in general) and the second attempt at the hair turned out so much nicer IMO!

[simple flame]

the inside of the jacket keeps clipping through the outside, is there a way to fix this? i just moved the arm slightly and the red inside is showing through

[hushed leaf]

either better weight painting or move the mesh further apart

or I guess you could hide the under mesh

[steady zealot]

You can either use shapekeys to "deflate" the under mesh if it'll be covered up, or try to get the weight painting to be more precise. The Data Transfer modifier can help with transfering weights from one to the other, to reduce clipping

[simple flame]

Okay, I'll give it a shot. Thank you

[fleet parrot]

not sure where id ask this but, does VFX graphs work in vrchat or no?

[devout orchid]

no

vfx graphs are not for birp afaik

[fair mason]

oh yes i love making models of cartoon characters from shows most people dont even know about

[static fable]

OH NAH. NOT WOOLDOOR.

[fair mason]

evil laughter muhahahahahah

[wispy wind]

hahaha I know that tv show! I like where Captain Hero use "shield".

[simple flame]

anyone know why this is happening? will it affect the model's function ?

[storm heron]

Hey yall, im making a render and i want saliva to like run down the finger, if anyone knows a helpful tutorial itd be appreciated ❤️

[hushed leaf]

funny, in Blender I have an object that has a .001 on its name and I can't remove it by renaming, but I cannot find any object which is name-clashing.

[plush cliff]

Nasty

[gloomy heart]

Hi everyone, i am trying to sculpt this hat to fit better, but the black parts dont move when i sculpt, just the pink part. why may that be? The Hat underneath is just referance

[hushed leaf]

not sure I can see what's happening there

[keen sierra]

perhaps masked out

[hushed leaf]

yeah I don't use sculpt mode much, was wondering if there was some "front faces only" type of thing, or masking

[gloomy heart]

okay

[proud panther]

how do u turn off back faceculling in blendeerrrrrrr google isnt helpingggggggg it use to be hereee

[hushed leaf]

it's in the material settings

usually it's off by default though

[viscid birch]

It's in that menu when viewport shading is set to "solid." (white circle icon) When it's set to "material preview" like you have, then backface culling is in the material under "settings," like Kazin said

[hushed leaf]

oh I didn't think of the solid case

[fair mason]

i just want normal beer...

[fair mason]

its doenenneeeeeee

[stark sand]

Ooohhh cool! Where is this character from?

[velvet oyster]

what's up y'all, if anyone is in need of a few low poly weapons for there creative endeavors i got you covered!:) https://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/2169720

[glad steeple]

just because you have the power, doesnt mean you should.... 😔

[glad steeple]

Russian funded propaganda "New Norm"

[fair mason]

Oh relax it’s just for a joke. It’s not actually something I’m gonna seriously wear 😅

[glad steeple]

😋

[hidden dome]

what do you guys think of these? fully modelled, designed, and textured my self

[proud wadi]

spooky!

[rapid spade]

WIP

[wide imp]

Id suggest trying to push the front of the throat back for a more natural feel or if you wanna keep it where it is to make it flush into the pecs more

[rare dew]

Hello. I recently joined because I'm trying to upload my first avatar, being a roblox avatar, but even while following the instructions, the videos I saw had different results from what was on my screen. So if anyone is familiar with uploading a Roblox avatar, I'd greatly appreciate it because I've been working really hard on this and just want some help.

[hushed leaf]

... this channel is for 3D modeling

[rare dew]

Look bruh I don't know what category this falls under. CLEARLY I don't know what I'm doing.

[swift jolt]

Sholders

[rapid spade]

wip 2

[white moth]

Blender question: Does anyone know if you can "paint" a existing blendshape onto a model with a brush? like painting it into the base model
so it deforms into the shapekey as you brush the model

[hushed leaf]

you could shrinkwrap to another model then apply that modifier as a blendshape

but otherwise not that I've seen

[tough plover]

you can create a vertex group and assign it to the blendshape to mask it

to "apply" it, you can use New shape from mix

[orchid phoenix]

head :') time to texture..

[stray topaz]

I'm looking for the eyedropper tool shortcut for painting textures in Blender 4.2.1, but I can't find it

[full steeple]

Hey anyone know alot about shapekeys?(in blender).. and possibly be up for a call to help me with a simple issue that i cant for the life of me figure out?

if not i can try my best to send screen shots on my issue and explain what im trying to do but i feel i need to actually say what i need help with lol

[orchid phoenix]

the texturing begins

i also plan on making hair and clothing from scratch body is zinpia andro

[gray drum]

Hey! does anyone know how to make one of those bar machines? Like from the midngiht bar or the sunset bar?

[hushed leaf]

are we talking model here or the whole logic?

[jagged moat]

I'd start with finding a reference of a real machine and then block it out with boxes and cylinders etc, then once you've got the right shape and you're happy with it, start adding the details. Then once you've finished modelling it you'd UV unwrap it and texture it using a program such as substance painter (recommended) or photoshop

Then, once it's all done, I'd reccomend rigging all the moving handles to an armature and animating the various movements. One that's done you can bring it into Unity and use Udon to control the animations

[gray drum]

I wanna commission for the whole thing

[gray drum]

I can try. I can probs do the model, but idk how to do the logistics and animations, but I can’t find anything online to show me how

[hushed leaf]

Oh probably you want to go to the VRC Traders discord then, you'll just get scammers around here.

[jagged moat]

Gonna say, typing "c***ission" typically gets a bunch of bots to automatically dm you, be careful about anyone reaching out

[hushed leaf]

If you want to learn, #world-development is probably a better place

I mean once you get past the modeling part

[gray drum]

I’ll try, thank y’all

[jagged moat]

good luck!

[gray drum]

I found someone who will do it for me. Thank you @edgy pasture

[edgy pasture]

You're welcome

[placid umbra]

what do you guys think of these? fully modelled, designed, and textured my self.

[orchid phoenix]

lashes

[near mortar]

Made this recently

[rapid spade]

If I don't go crazy, I'll manage to finish it

[rapid spade]

I like it, but I'm not sure if I should add some darker tones or a bit more detail. What do you all think?

[tough plover]

I think it looks quite good, but the scales on the legs look a little off

it might make more sense to have them more towards the sides of the legs rather than the front, and you could also add some more to different areas like the arms

that's assuming you don't want them just everywhere

[rapid spade]

I placed the scales where they made the most sense to me, kind of orienting them like a crocodile, where they function more like armor. There are also some on the back, here

They are specifically in those areas because they would be the ones that wouldn’t cause any incoherence in movement and would function like armor.

[tough plover]

what if you added some lighter opacity scales to create a more seamless transition?

so basically just add some more scales around the existing patches and mask them out using a soft mask (throw on a blur filter on the mask to smooth it out)

[dusky mirage]

I really want to make an avatar like this and customize it since I’m starting to create content but I’ve tried making one last night but my computer is too slow and I wanted something like this (the picture) with a whole bunch of toggles but alsooo I want someone to make it for me but I don’t have any money 😭 the only thing I can do is give them credit in my videos 😭

[tough plover]

either you make it yourself, or pay someone else to do it for you. people deserve to be paid for their time

if you can't do either of those, you can find a public avatar that is close enough

[dusky mirage]

Ohhhh alr…thanks-..

[rapid spade]

The model is done, but it seems like I have some slight issues, and I’m not sure why.

[tight ore]

Can anyone help me learn how to angle limbs for human like modles. I wanna bend the joints to 3d print them

[prisma berry]

i got an interesting question i think, what would happen if i were to paste the texture of say 4 materials in a bigger 1 by 1 one and move the ub maps of each of the respective parts to each and then do the same with the normals and height map

[winter iron]

thats called atlas'ing

[prisma berry]

would it work?

[winter iron]

people already do it so

[prisma berry]

first time i hear bout it tbh

oh thats great

i was wondering if there was a way to merge my materials into 1

thanks

[hushed leaf]

I like to make a new UV map and just bake them to that (with SimpleBake)

[prisma berry]

hey i toyed with it for a while and i wanted to ask what would the normal px be for an atlas

i supose something under 4k?

[winter iron]

whatever you want it to be

[prisma berry]

i cant make a 7424 px image it would kill anyone who tries to load my avatar i think

ok ill try 4096

[hushed leaf]

Really you should go as low as you possibly can

and definitely not over 4k if at all possible 🙂

[devout orchid]

you cannot make it not power of 2 anyway, the way unity/gpu handles those. so it doesnt hurt to have way too hd stuff before the upload, uploaded final res should be 2k or smth.

[spiral sigil]

can someone help me with edge loops?

[hushed leaf]

again, what do you need help with here?

[wet zephyr]

Yes, you can find addons to do it. Atlasing is a great way to gain performance as material slots are a factor in it

[tough plover]

I'd recommend using the Tuxedo addon

[vapid ledge]

I need some help with my character sculpt. I have a couple problems at the moment, the first being the toes and fingers, when i try to remesh the model, especially at lower resolutions, the fingers and toes connect to eachother, I dont know how Im supposed to join them seamlessly without the issue of the topology joining where it shouldnt be. I am also experiencing difficulties sculpting the nose and ear as theyre quite small and thin details, when I try to smooth any changes it just tapers certain points of the mesh way too much. Lastly, I am not sure how to go about opening the characters mouth, I intend to model the inside of the mouth for rigging for expressions and speech and I dont know how to get it from a closed state like this to open. I keep also running into the same issue of sculpting becoming extremely laggy or downright crashing my application. Any help at all or points in the right direction is greatly appreciated thanks.

[keen sierra]

Remesh. Aka blenders remesh? You shouldnt use that to topologize for a final mesh. Ideally, you retopo manually. You may be able to cut the model up and retopo limb by limb to avoid too dense topo being in the scene which can definitely cause lag

[vapid ledge]

nono not for final

[keen sierra]

When i made my model, i did manual retopo and for the mouth, i kept the lip edge unconnected, added an armature, painted the lower jaw to it and posed it open for easy access

[vapid ledge]

so how would i then join the limbs in the end? join and do a bigh poly remesh?

[vapid ledge]

oh, yeah thats one way to do it

[keen sierra]

All you need in the end is vertice count to match

[vapid ledge]

lip edge unconnected? whats that mean

[keen sierra]

The edge where the lips would touch

[vapid ledge]

oh right i see what you mean

so how would i split that now?

[keen sierra]

Knife the arm off. Literally its that easy. The only thing you later need is the same amount of vertices to connect the cut spot

Say you retopo the torso by itself and an arm. Obviously to connect both mesh objects, youll need x same amount of vertices to merge later

[vapid ledge]

but thats after retopo?

thats not a bad idea. so once i retopo, and connect the mesh, i can multires to get a cleaner high poly mesh for my texture painting and uvs no?

[vapid ledge]

Im just worried that in connecting the pieces afterwards there may be issues when it comes to projecting the detail from the sculpt onto the low res mesh and so on

[keen sierra]

You can do a heck ton of details with normal maps also (baked from multires object)

[hushed pendant]

anyone know why im getting these wierd triangles when baking the position map?

[flat kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1126251067865305239/1291875825024765983/image.png?ex=6701b09e&is=67005f1e&hm=2fdf4ae4a501ad22e398d4f302bcc6d35236e695126401ae1378c846c2b6599c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=337&height=350

[sharp siren]

Nice work here

[spiral sigil]

This is amazing

[versed granite]

i forget

which blender version do i need to install to make the cats plugin work?

i have the steam version right now.

i need the non steam one from the website right?

(this thing)

i have another question too. i want to remove all the clothes to add my own... how do i know which bones are safe to delete that arent used anymore?

[empty fox]

The unofficial version from here https://github.com/teamneoneko/Cats-Blender-Plugin-Unofficial-

Latest Blender and it apparently have some bugs though, not noticed any myself though.

[empty fox]

If the clothing is using the same exact armature as your avi then you could probably ignore it unless it is a dress or something with a lot of extra bones. You would basically need to do educated guesses or checking each bone for whether it moves something in pose mode.

If clothing has its own armature and is merged using tools in Unity then just delete the clothing and its armature, I sure hope people aren't stacking bones like they used to anymore.

[tawny pollen]

well then

[hushed leaf]

wow

[orchid phoenix]

any. use the dev branch https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/tree/development

dev version works all the way up to 4.1 for me

[thorn tusk]

do yall got a frog hat model a star wand from fortnight a bow and a bunnyhat

[spiral sigil]

Here's something i don't quite get: what's cats used for, exactly?

[orchid phoenix]

has some tools and shortcuts that are good for avatar making, like auto generating vrc visemes from 3 shape keys

also decimation and atlasing for quest optimization

[spiral sigil]

oh i see

wait, wouldn't you want to have control over those things instead?

i don't get it - what's the use case there?

[orchid phoenix]

i mean, you do

you can still edit stuff after

and make duplicates

it just makes stuff youd normally do manually faster

[spiral sigil]

doesn't automatic decimation on deformable meshes always turn out bad, though?

[orchid phoenix]

not always

cats has ways to keep shapekeys on the less extreme options

[spiral sigil]

i see

thanks!

[orchid phoenix]

np

[untold plinth]

Not exactly an avatar, basic 3d model
I've spent hours trying to remove these bits from this piece, I just can't do it

[fair mason]

https://x.com/dgcow07/status/1843455340903575677

DgCV3 (@dgcow07) on X

Itsa Spooky Month! #spookymonth #fnf #3DCG

Twitter · Oct 8, 2024, 12:56 AM

[untold plinth]

Eh kinda

[inland sage]

dunno if want to continue ~o~

[static fulcrum]

My knowledge is in Maya, but if you want to remove those details, you could just add edge loops halfway up the central cylinder, delete everything above the edgeloop then just extrude/pull the cylider up to where it was.

[solar fossil]

Eyo?

[inner basin]

Wassup Confused?

[solar fossil]

Looking good

[river gust]

🔥

[cobalt prism]

someone here who knows how to properly make tanlines align it with current meshes is rather hard in photoshop so maybe someone can explain a better way

[prisma berry]

can i get a hand with a weight paint issue? for some reason my head vertex group is not working but the bones after do

[keen sierra]

Heads are often a standalone object. Perhaps your armature modifier is referencing an incorrect armature?

[prisma berry]

i tried deliting the vertex group and making it again but it does not work

[flat kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1126251067865305239/1294551681169756190/image.png?ex=670b6cb4&is=670a1b34&hm=4700d4b45b6196bb9109272a566e7651b08e42c8ebcf02b1f61b13f361fd6171&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Working on a new base tnite

https://tenor.com/VBMF.gif

[humble crag]

Hello

[wary reef]

Hi

[waxen ivy]

For conforming jewelry such as necklaces and rings, is anyone using lattices or curves to deform the jewelry or are there better tools for specifically wrapping a mesh around a cylinder / finger / neck

[steady zealot]

I could be wrong, but you might be able to use the shrinkwrap modifer on a curve to get it to follow something else, and then use that

If it doesn't work on a curve, you could convert the curve to a mesh and then back afterwards

Though I suppose that doesn't count as "better"

[waxen ivy]

So like make the necklace follow a curve, and shrink wrap that to my model? Ive tried using a lattice and using a simple deform 360° however my mesh wasnt able to follow that properly, so ill give that a try if that's what you meant

Yea still weird, making a mesh follow a circle curve doesnt work, so just a regular curve maybe

[jovial seal]

im struggling to tell if this body shape is ok

for like a baseline to go off of

[steady zealot]

I think you won't know until you block out the entire thing (legs, etc)

[jovial seal]

yeh thats fair god damnit i hate having to ''trust the process'' sometimes

[steady zealot]

xD

[jovial seal]

i have trust issues

:L

[waxen ivy]

Does anyone know where the alpha clip \ alpha blend settings are on the material slot on blender? Seems to have moved with a blender update

[hushed leaf]

I noticed that and keep meaning to go look

[waxen ivy]

Pls let me know, I might have to revert to an older version

[humble crag]

I think so

[hushed leaf]

stack exchange to the rescue I guess? https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/322198/blend-mode-and-shadow-mode-options-gone-in-blender-4-2

[waxen ivy]

Is anyone experienced with doing clothing retopology?

[jovial seal]

how big are furry paws usually TwT

im struggling with the structure of these things so badly

[wary reef]

Cool enough
Nice model

[winter iron]

it usually depends on what you are going for and art style but generally you go for enough
also look at the animal its supposed to be to see how the proportions are

[jovial seal]

i have no idea what animal this is meant to be i kinda just started and htough hehe wicker head and it turned into whatever this is

thanks for the referance though :D

[naive bolt]

Looking at the difference in topology after 3 yrs is wild xD

[delicate grove]

Uuuuuh...are there any sort of like... 3D masks?
I need...a 3D object to never move through the boundaries of another object.

This? This is what I don't want it to do, but I don't want it to be distorted once it tries to move away from the eyelids.

I really almost wish I could do like viseme/shapekey textures.

3D masks in blender, unity, and VRC?

[tough plover]

this can be achieved using Stencilling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uniOEpw88jk

[delicate grove]

Oh?

I'll have to import the irises and eyes as separate objects, yes?

If I understand this correctly.

[devout orchid]

separate material

[delicate grove]

Two materials minimum?

[tough plover]

correct

[flat kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240389633137709117/1296554461614833774/image.png?ex=6712b5f0&is=67116470&hm=785f16680246885cec329f49a982d18ecb860a2a82eeb021ccec0d8ed05c749d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=478&height=350

[spiral sigil]

how do I add a bone to the list

?

I added a bone and it isnt attached to the mesh

[keen sierra]

Weight paint mesh to the bone you added will add the group there or make a group manually and assign vertexes in edit mode

[hushed leaf]

just weight painting with that bone selected will do it, or you can manually create a new vertex group with the same name as the bone.

[spiral sigil]

how do u select a bone in weight painting? @hushed leaf

[hushed leaf]

watch a tutorial. ctrl+shift click a bone

[spiral sigil]

doesnt work for me

i have this painting tool selected

[hushed leaf]

again, tutorials go over this. you have to start in object mode, select your armature, then also select the mesh object, then go into weight paint mode.

And this assumes you also have an armature modifier on the mesh object.

Also assumes Blender 4+, with 3 it's just ctrl+click

[spiral sigil]

uff

how do i get this?

[hushed leaf]

get what?

[spiral sigil]

armature modifier

the clicking doesnt work

[hushed leaf]

look, I'm really not going to try to teach you basic things that a tutorial can. I'm happy to help if you get stuck, but it's pretty clear you haven't bothered to learn any basics.

[spiral sigil]

I watched

they do the rig first

[hushed leaf]

reasonable

[spiral sigil]

but I was adding a bone later

after all has been weightened

it is different to the tutorials

[hushed leaf]

so?

it's not

Your mesh still needs an armature modifier, you still have to know how to go into weight paint mode properly

[spiral sigil]

what tutorial to watch for this>?

[hushed leaf]

There's no shortage of blender weight painting tutorials out there, I'm sure any of them would be fine

[spiral sigil]

nope

i have watched

and it was just connect rig with mesh via automated weights

[hushed leaf]

then that's not a weight painting tutorial, is it?

[spiral sigil]

no i watched weight painting tutorial

maybe u have a good link

i can watch mroe

[spiral sigil]

why do I keep getting this>?

[swift jolt]

Enforce tpose

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051658290343456769/1296550451776458759/image.png?ex=6712b234&is=671160b4&hm=9c7720c7e213f409f847cc96fcd712e0c6f678810d4f404a459b99c31994d3d4&

Robbit

Made the head from scratch the rest is just alot of kitbashing and editing stuff to fit

Robots are fun like that

[spiral sigil]

yes thx

[flat kelp]

Almost ready for VR ❤️

[flat kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165754905244467220/1297623780511977543/image.png?ex=671699d1&is=67154851&hm=bcfbb4533fdb1e58b5048ac445d59621b16d3f3d0a55568d927bce3e0f1f6eda&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=462&height=701

[hushed leaf]

hmmm is there an easy way in blender to "aim" the rotation of an object (here, a light) to a specific point (the 3D cursor)?

[solar fossil]

Lights, specifically area, directional and spot have a little yellow ball that you can grab and drag around to make it point to wherever you want

[solar fossil]

You can also use constraints like the track to, that way it will track continuously even if the light or targeted object is moving.
You can use an empty as the target object and it won't show up in renders

[hushed leaf]

Yeah, I considered constraints, and tried a few things, but I was really just looking for a one-shot type of thing, kinda like you can adjust roll for multiple bones around the 3D cursor.

oh and to add - these aren't moving, it was a one-time thing, and there's only 12, so I just manually pointed them all 🙂

[cobalt socket]

my CATS keeps giving me these errors when i fix my model

[hushed leaf]

that looks like the ancient version of cats that doesn't work with modern blender - the link to the new one has been posted a LOT in #avatar-help, a quick search should find it

[worthy drift]

Hihihihi, noobie question here...

For the avatar's head, what kind of primitive should I start with? Quad Sphere, Icosphere, or UV Sphere?

[azure rain]

Quad Sphere is the only one that would be all Quad with no triangles

[twilit veldt]

I'm very uninformed. Does anybody know if it's possible to make assets in Nomad Sculpt that are compatible for vr avatars... without a pc?

I guess I'm also asking, if it's possible to do the modeling process and all from an iPad and skip the PC parts.

[azure rain]

the computer is required for the upload process and giving it a skeleton so it can actually move

[worthy drift]

Yeah, so which is preferred?

[azure rain]

Quad Sphere

because the rest of them make too much triangle soup for it to be usable on head topology

[twilit veldt]

Which part of the upload. Because I myself am not trying to put it on an actual model
And what if what I'm making doesn't need a skeleton or any sort of phys bones, just a solid item

[azure rain]

the part in which it's usable in vrchat at all is dependent on a computer running Unity

[twilit veldt]

Gotcha

Very unfortunate

I guess my second question, does anybody know if nomad sculpt could be good for making assets? Is it possible to export that to a computer?

[azure rain]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/nomadsculpt/original/2X/3/38a48dca378f4e1b9d227c9a6fac69f461b5b260.jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQA-FtK4qg

[azure rain]

yes you can export the assets to a computer

[twilit veldt]

Thank you so much

[timber bay]

how can make the rotation balle aligned with the highlighted object? it's for animating the satelite dish i want to rotate on the 2 circles

[hushed leaf]

If you're rotating an object, it normally will do so around the object's origin point, so you can move that to wherever you like. Or rig it.

[timber bay]

i took a break and re-engaged the problem. i found that switching the orientation transformation to normals worked best

[delicate grove]

Question for blender peeps:
I have an object with UVs that've been unwrapped. In the edit window I have all relevant faces selected, in the UV window I have only a subset of those faces selected, any way for me to deselect faces in the edit window that are not selected in the UV window?

I need to reassign that subset of faces to a new material, but it will also be laborious to go about and reassign those faces manually

[tough plover]

enable UV Sync in the top left of the UV editing window

it's like 2 arrows

[main bough]

I don't understand how to combine meshes. I want to know how to join them and also make it so they both use the same material. No idea where to even start

[tough plover]

select both meshes and do Ctrl + J (make sure your cursor is over the 3d viewport) to combine them. as for combining materials, if you just want everything to use one material, go to the materials tab (red circle in the bottom right after clicking on mesh), and delete every material slot except one. this is also assuming that you've already dealt with the UVs and either atlased or baked textures

[main bough]

DUDE I never would have found out the hover over the viewport part of that, I was so confused 😭

[tough plover]

shortcuts in blender do different things based on which parts of the UI you're hovering over

ctrl + A over the viewport is to apply transforms, but ctrl + A over a modifier in the modifiers tab applies a modifier

[main bough]

Also I'm 2 days into the blender process so I haven't done anything like baking textures. But it is a preexisting model so idk

[tough plover]

combining materials is not nearly as straightforward as combining meshes

if you have materials with different textures, you'll want to either atlas the textures/UVs (basically just stitching them together in a grid), or re-pack all of the UVs and bake the textures

[main bough]

I also have a problem with the object I'm adding it looks like. It's just a simple wristband but with backface culling on it's clear that some of the faces are turned the wrong way/different way from the others

I'm not sure if I should find how to make a mesh that has both sides or if there's a way to reverse them or something? Not sure

Nvm I found the flip normals button. I do not know what a normal is lol

[azure rain]

glad you were able to find that

[delicate grove]

Ooooh! That's neato! Thank you!

[tight lion]

i am in a pickle

the points on this bodysuit are stuck in a part and i cant get them to move

like the rest moves with the body and conforms but the two parts there are like rooted in space

and some things like horns and nails arent moving at all even when paired or stuck to the body

[hushed leaf]

what's the pickle?

I mean, other than it being weight painting 🙂

[lofty socket]

anyone have any idea how to fix this? im making a model from scratch in blender and im trying to add outlines for quest onto it using the solidify tool but when i do it to the hair it makes these weird cone shapes at the end of each strand and idk how to get rid of them

[tough plover]

I'd recommend using a matcap to fake the outline, instead of doubling the poly count

[lofty socket]

how would i go about that? :0

[tough plover]

in Unity, use the Mobile > Matcap Lit shader and plug in one of those matcaps

[lofty socket]

also i didnt know using solidify outlines would double the poly count ill keep that in mind

[lofty socket]

ok thank you!!

[tough plover]

I mean, it's quite literally making an entire second "shell" of mesh

[lofty socket]

oh, yea im just going off of tutorials so 😅

[tough plover]

Solidify takes a single sided mesh and adds thickness to it by essentially making a second layer and filling in the gap

so it more than doubles the poly count

[hard hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670325400718540843/1299588109914083358/Desktop_2024.10.25_-_23.08.44.022.mp4?ex=671dbf3e&is=671c6dbe&hm=4cb1b5f11bf030728eec15f1be13ced28e6bb0de1d9117f999ae5e5b6833aec3&

what do you guys think? made this hologram collar in blender :v

[dusty heron]

Looks pretty neat and simple! Love the slight pulsating (which seems to be in time with the horns, or it could just be coincidence)
Side note I love how the horns look too, espcially the small floating particle pieces they're very pretty

[faint bronze]

1 mesh, 1 UV map, 5,867 triangles. Could be better, but just did it as a fun project
Tempted to throw it on a pre-existing Rainbow 6 body and call it a day

[flat kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422424977728339972/1300862091338584084/image.png?ex=672261bb&is=6721103b&hm=eeb7eeef3deb0288d8f8e0b165d072afece82e00d30ce248718f9b477804a5eb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1455&height=1089
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422424977728339972/1300862091737169980/image.png?ex=672261bb&is=6721103b&hm=8ee94986355921bfdf68ae20dfee5756e46a3d9434ec9d76dc59c905eff28038&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1455&height=1152

Questification

[rain oracle]

Are we allowed to request 3D models or ask of certain availability of them in this channel?

[winter iron]

no

[winter iron]

I enjoy that oversized polygonal hat

[rain oracle]

I should have phrased it as “seeing if people have certain models that can’t be found on websites like cults3d, sketchfab, ect”

[hushed leaf]

#1138520828556890214 ?

[rain oracle]

But it’s not avatars that I’m looking for…

[flat kelp]

Completed, medium perf on quest

[winter iron]

I still love that octagonal hat

[orchid phoenix]

oh my god thank you for these i couldn't find any cartoony matcaps with outline 🙏

[azure rain]

congratulations for getting it medium on Quest

[flat kelp]

thank chu

[terse comet]

90's Rei Ayanami from Neon Genesis Evangelion, mine is left, official game models on right.

[subtle axle]

why everything i make in blender makes any material infinitely stretched in blender? i just merged some cubes and then remeshed and sculpted a little bit, and the i exported as fbx and imported to unity

either scaling positive or negative brings no results

[spiral sigil]

have you done any unvrwapping before exporting your fbx?

[quasi glen]

Does anyone know a tutorial that explains how I can move unity models over to blender to use blenders build in paint?

[hushed leaf]

what's a "unity model"? If you have a .fbx file in your Unity project, just file -> import that into Blender.

[quasi glen]

Nice

But then I have the problem where I can't put the texture on the model

(I'm going to say now already, I have no experience )

[hushed leaf]

textures don't go on models, they go into materials which go on faces 🙂

[quasi glen]

Ooohhhhh

Thank youuuu

[quasi glen]

I uhhhh

Thought it was going to be easy

but I still didn't find where to do it

[hushed leaf]

This is where I recommend basic tutorials like "The Donut Tutorial"

I'd be doing this in the node editor in the Shading section of Blender.

make an image texture node and pipe it into the material's base color field

[quasi glen]

Okay... That part... Welp, you do make me realize that the donut tutorial was very very & I mean very worth my time which I didn't put int following it

I'll go and follow that tutorial

but thanks doe for guiding me to a source I could use to understand it

[hushed leaf]

yeah it's long, and goes into stuff you might not need for avatars, but it gets you a LOT of the basics

[topaz helm]

my FIRST ever model, any tips?

[subtle axle]

i had forgot about UV unwrapping lol

[subtle axle]

those arms are too slim

[winter iron]

twig arms

thicken the upper arms a bit

[rain pebble]

i have a question that's technically animation related but it's primarily blender related so ill ask it here. how do I get an animation I've made in Blender to export correctly for use in Unity? I want to use an animation that's switching between two mapping uvs on my character's face texture to simulate speaking, but I can't seem to get the animation made in Blender to export on my fbx, or anywhere really. is there something I'm missing?

[junior bobcat]

Made a rigging harness

1 material, 8k tris

[jagged moat]

That is an absolutely incredible texture job! Also much respect for keeping it optimised

[junior bobcat]

thanks! I always start with the lowest detail possible then work my way up to get the fidelity needed

UV map is also decent

[jagged moat]

That is indeed a very nice uv, you old probably overlap some parts and get a decent increase in resolution overall however it might bork your texture job depending on what pipeline you're using.

[junior bobcat]

yeah, Substance Painter doesn’t like overlapping UV’s

plus I like to keep it all separated so others can completely change the look asymmetrically

[jagged moat]

Ah good point, I've found you can overlap uvs if you only export one instance of a uv island by making a separate mesh with any duplicate geometry removed however that wouldn't work for the sort of customisation you're looking for

Btw for the texturing on the cushioning above the tail, what method did you use because it looks very good

Also I just noticed the clever rebrandxd

[junior bobcat]

That is a lazy trick I found if you take the built-in denim jeans smart material and remove most of the other stuff and leave the folds/volume layers it adds

it’s usually very harsh so you have to reduce it a bit more to give a more subtle folded fabric effect. in those images I think I still need to tone it down a bit

but there’s also layers of other fabric materials underlaying it to give it the strap texture. I think I downloaded some polypropylene material from substance source

(And also use tri-planar projection to make it look more cohesive around the curves)

[jagged moat]

Ah gotcha, I'll keep that in mind as I've been wanting to try get more folds in my fabrics in substance for a while. Trying to get every detail by using a cloth sim doesn't always work for things like pinched fabric on corners and such

[jagged moat]

tbf before you turn it down I'd check it out in engine since your avatar will mostly be lit by light probes which means you don't get as good shading

[tough plover]

@junior bobcat @jagged moat Substance doesn't care about overlapping UVs if you move the overlapped islands one tile over

if using the mirror modifier in blender, you can just not apply it, and set "Offset U" to 1, so that when exported, the UVs are automatically shifted

[jagged moat]

I've not thought about using Offset U before, I'll keep that in mind. The only issue with overlapping UVs I noticed was it can cause AO to burn in details when you bake if your model isn't symmetrical but your UVs are. I'm not sure if that makes sense but I'm having a bit of trouble trying to word it well

[tough plover]

I get what you mean. in those cases, you have a few options:

• don't stack the UVs for those specific parts, but stack everything else you can

• in substance, add the Ambient Occlusion channel to your texture set, change AO Mixing to Replace instead of Multiply in your texture set settings, add a new fill layer with only the AO channel enabled, and use the baked AO map texture for that layer. now, your baked AO is a layer that you can add a White mask to to mask specific parts of it.

• use a secondary UV map where nothing is overlapping for your AO (or at least with the problematic areas unstacked). you can do this by having a duplicate of your mesh with a different material with the first UV map removed. bake only the AO for that material in substance, and export it separately. basically the "lightmap" approach

this is what I mean with offsetting the UVs btw. you can't paint on parts of the mesh where the UVs are offset, and the baking won't affect them either.

[topaz helm]

does this look okay so far? (2nd try)

[solar fossil]

Not all that good at anatomy myself so take this with a huge grain of salt.
I think you are missing some calf definition, the legs are also spread apart, which isn't necessarily an issue but something to keep in mind that you might want to straighten them out once you have a rig.
The back arch seems a bit too extreme/chest area becomes too wide from the side view
The butt also needs to come down a bit as well
You can also let the thighs curve a bit more in the front
The hip line? (not sure how to call it) might need to be at a steeper angle?

[solar fossil]

If you want a pretty good reference body blender has some on their website as an asset bundle https://www.blender.org/download/demo-files/

[flat kelp]

Based on T-man from Once Human

[dull willow]

Middle car is still WIP but it looks out of place by not having baked normal and occlusion maps

[tough plover]

bent normals, interesting. haven't messed too much with those

what shader are you using that makes use of them?

[dull willow]

the car on the right in motion

[dull willow]

I was given the shader by K E I who uploaded this world below. TBF I think standard shader accepts the map better, but doesn't have a clearcoat option like this one does

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_a7e67fb1-9520-49d2-bed8-e3bc3cb6f9d1

[tough plover]

I see. do you just treat it like a typical normal map, or does the shader need special support for it?

[dull willow]

It seems to work well as a typical normal map too

[tough plover]

hmm interesting

[dull willow]

in my experience, standard shader looks okay with it

[tough plover]

do you do your texturing in substance?

[dull willow]

no, I still use photoshop since I just work with masks

standard shader with and without the bent normal map

[tough plover]

I see

Substance can bake out a bent normal map, and it does appear to behave like the normal map + AO baker combined. wondering how to integrate that properly...

[dull willow]

what do you mean by integrating it?

[tough plover]

it looks like I can just replace the baked normal map with the baked bent normal map and it seems fine

[tough plover]

when you bake mesh maps in substance, like the normal map from a high poly mesh, it gets put into the "Mesh maps" as the normal map. then, when you add additional details in your texturing, these normals are combined. when you export your textures, you end up with a normal map that contains both the baked normals and the detail you added yourself.

when baking Bent normals, you get the bent normal map in the mesh maps, but it doesn't really do anything. it's just there, it doesn't change anything about how the model looks. you can export it as its own texture, but it won't have any manually added details in it

[dull willow]

I see

[tough plover]

one thing you can do in substance is set the "Normal mixing" to Replace, which effectively disables the baked normals, meaning you can add the baked normal map as a texture in your layer stack and it will behave the same. I suppose I could technically do that and use the bent normal map in my layer stack to overwrite the baked normals

and it does seem to work

before:

[dull willow]

maybe try a concave model with holes?

[tough plover]

oh wait it looks like the bent normals have an inverted Y channel

huh

[dull willow]

it should be easier to tell on a model with holes like this

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Fewes/BNAO/master/BentNormalsExample.gif

[tough plover]

with bent normals on right

interesting

it kinda looks better

this will be interesting

neat

@dull willow pretty cool, thanks for the info

[dull willow]

np

[jovial seal]

im trying to figure out how to make this hand shape work properly.

[velvet sluice]

model imported from blender made in blender, app in screenshot: unity

[atomic wigeon]

i now evaporate

[lyric isle]

anyone know why my scultping tool is doing this?

[flat kelp]

What is it I'm looking at

In terms of the effect happening

[lyric isle]

how its seperating the mesh peice by peice when its never done that before

[flat kelp]

Are the transforms applied?

[deft cedar]

I love VR Chat and use blender a lot to make my worlds.

I wanted to know more about blender so I made this video!
I hope you guys enjoy it 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMX9WTf1WZg

[mighty condor]

Im trying to cut the eyes out using the knife tool. Ive figured out how to use symmetrise so thats not an issue. However, when I cut the eye out, the texture is warped so I need to adjust the uv. However I can never get it to look like it did before I cut it out, which I find strange considering I am not warping the geometry just cutting it into sections that already exist. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Dont mind the abysmal amount of edges, I thought that maybe adding more geometry would solve the issue (It did not)

Difficult to see in image so here, no idea why the hell it cant just, not do that

[timber badger]

is that cut with the knife tool directly on the original original mesh?

[mighty condor]

Yes

Just straight on the face

Oh no I get the question now

Yes I have multiple saves and this is the model directly before trying to use the knife tool

[timber badger]

yeah... crappy topology can really warp uvs when you dont know what you're doing

[mighty condor]

Darn..

[timber badger]

why are you trying to cutout the eyes, though? to make them blink, or something more complicated? because what you want to do would change how you'd want to approach doing a cutout like that

[mighty condor]

I think initially I did it because I could warp the edges of the new "eye mesh" to make them look like they were making different expressions. But now that I think about it I may have gotten carried away with that random idea 🤔

Yeah this is a pointless endeavour, I will stop wasting my time with that, cant believe I didnt realise this sooner...

[timber badger]

edge slide could help with making sure the uvs arent warped

[mighty condor]

Ooooo thats useful

[hushed leaf]

definitely edge-slide, it's so useful!

[spiral sigil]

can i make my own avatar for vr chat in blender?

if so how would i do that?

[tough plover]

yes, you can use Blender to do the vast majority of the creation process, except for what needs to be done in Unity. there are full tutorials on youtube

beware that it is a long, and time consuming process.

@spiral sigil

[spiral sigil]

much appreciate the warning, ill see if i have the energy to start my own avatar

thanks ❤️

[tough plover]

you should definitely give it a go, it's very rewarding

[spiral sigil]

Your avatar looks custom. Is it?

I like the ears :3

[tough plover]

thanks, it's sort of custom, in the sense that it's a base I bought (that is unavailable now), that I've been working on over the past 4 years. the clothing I make for it is all custom.

[spiral sigil]

yeah i think it looks cool very well built

[wispy kelp]

Going at it like mad to finish these models by the end of this month

[spiral sigil]

teach me the ways of blender

[wispy kelp]

Repetition, looking up how to do things and references

[spiral sigil]

oki thanku

[faint bronze]

Just a lil guy
Did in one day, outta boredom

[cunning turtle]

anybody extremely well versed in blender wanna make a commission for me? dm me plz

[winter iron]

Hey ho :cirHi: I see you're looking for commissions.

You will probably receive DM's or friend requests from scammers now (or later) that will try to offer you their services. :cirBlech:

:cirNo: Absolutely DO NOT engage with those, regardless of how competent they might seem or their excuse to why they contact you.
This is unsafe practice used by scammers, and also breaks this Discord's rules. :cirCop:

If you seek a creator, check out VRCTraders in https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1204506421631393913 and follow their protocols strictly :cirComfy:

:cirISee: It's extremely important to always DEEPLY investigate the account and social media of the person you plan to commission.
Is their social media linked in Discord? Is it legitimate? Are the references stolen? (Try to reverse image search posts to check.) :cirISee:
The quality of fake profiles out there can be crazy good, be aware of that and NEVER engage with DM or friend requests that originate from the artist.

When in the slightest doubt, do not commission them and contact the moderators of the involved communities. :cirD:

[rigid basin]

Ooh yeah but I have given one work and he did perfectly

[zinc leaf]

Is there a way to copy the changes to vertexes of a model from one side of the body to the other?

(While keeping blendshapes intact, hopefully)

[tough plover]

depends what kind of changes you made

[daring idol]

Assuming you're using blender and your model is symetrical on a vertical axis, just cut the model in half on a vertical axis and then in object mode, copy and mirror the mesh to the other side, make sure the normals are correct, make sure the blendshapes work correctly then join the 2 half meshes to make one and then stitch the model back together by "F3" "Merge by distance"

@zinc leaf

[tough plover]

I would be very careful running Merge by distance, you can easily merge stuff you don't intend to

[daring idol]

Oh yeah of course

[tough plover]

there's a default blender addon (need to enable it) called Auto mirror, that handles deleting half the mesh and adding a mirror modifier. to apply the mirror modifier, you can use one of the many addons that lets you apply modifiers when you have shape keys

[daring idol]

Maybe draw a selection box in edit mode over the verts in the middle to narrow down the intended merge

[daring idol]

Ah I rarely use addons unless I have to

[tough plover]

you would be shocked how much basic functionality blender lacks that addons can take care of

applying modifiers to meshes with shape keys, re-ordering UV maps (bro how is this not native), removing empty vertex groups, applying a pose as the default pose, it goes on

[daring idol]

Definitely

[tough plover]

you should definitely know workarounds in vanilla blender as a fallback, but definitely do not avoid addons for "purity" sake

[hushed leaf]

you can apply a pose as the default pose, it's just kinda annoying

the UV maps one though, seriously wtf.

[steady zealot]

How does this differ from using the regular mirror modifier with bisect enabled

[flat kelp]

There are a plethora of add-ons considered native and supported by blender, same with vrchat utilizing the VRC creator companion.

They don't add them by default as some add-ons will bloat the program for specific people's machines, and it's better to let people customize what they're looking for in their workstation.

[tough plover]

the mirror modifier doesn't delete one half of the mesh for you

[steady zealot]

Well no not permanently, but bisect does functionally remove one side (non-destructively until you apply the modifier)

[tough plover]

is "Bisect" a new option? I'm still using 3.6.11 until they fix the renaming of objects and bones

ah nvm I see what you mean

never used that, that's interesting

good to know

[steady zealot]

Nah, it's been around forever. Ai says 2.82 was when they added it, but take that with a grain of salt

[spiral sigil]

Hi don't know if it's the right place to say this
I'm looking for someone to help me create a train within 2-3 days and ma budget is 20$ max

[hushed leaf]

VRC Traders discord, link is in #1204490664637890580

Also your budget seems extremely low.

[winter iron]

Hey ho :cirHi: I see you're looking for commissions.

You will probably receive DM's or friend requests from scammers now (or later) that will try to offer you their services. :cirBlech:

:cirNo: Absolutely DO NOT engage with those, regardless of how competent they might seem or their excuse to why they contact you.
This is unsafe practice used by scammers, and also breaks this Discord's rules. :cirCop:

If you seek a creator, check out VRCTraders in https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1204506421631393913 and follow their protocols strictly :cirComfy:

:cirISee: It's extremely important to always DEEPLY investigate the account and social media of the person you plan to commission.
Is their social media linked in Discord? Is it legitimate? Are the references stolen? (Try to reverse image search posts to check.) :cirISee:
The quality of fake profiles out there can be crazy good, be aware of that and NEVER engage with DM or friend requests that originate from the artist.

When in the slightest doubt, do not commission them and contact the moderators of the involved communities. :cirD:

[spiral sigil]

Okay thanks about that

[spiral sigil]

Is it bad cause that's actually.the amount I can afford for it

[hushed leaf]

that's unfortunate

[tough plover]

I'm just telling you right now, you're not finding anyone that will make you a train for 20$. you can maybe find an existing model online and pay someone 20$ to look over it and make sure it's not terribly optimized, but don't expect much more than that

[solar fossil]

Check out Sketchfab, they usually have good models

[flat kelp]

Yeah for the price of a McDonald's for two .. nah

[swift jolt]

Lil lowpoly scifi barrles

[faint bronze]

WIP, 16808 tris

[sudden meteor]

oops wrong chat

[lyric isle]

gear room

[wispy kelp]

So far so good, just need fur and some adjustments

[cobalt socket]

Ive tried a few times and always have a weird bumpy finish and when i move the head up and down it never lines up right
What would be the easiest way to cover this gap and maintain a smooth finish?

im very new to blender

[hushed leaf]

difficult to see what we're looking at, is there a hole that you need to cover with more mesh?

[cobalt socket]

when the head is angled upwards theres a hap under the chin and neck
i though of maybe extending the neck upwards but i wasnt sure if it would look right that way?

[hushed leaf]

ah yeah, you'd want to do some modeling work here

[faint bronze]

You could also do weight painting but it won't look seamless

[hushed leaf]

well you'll absolutely have to do some weight painting

[unique galleon]

So I'm a bit late to the party but trying to add some Xmas content to my world and I'm really confused about getting a Christmas Tree with Quest support... quest doesn't support CutOut right? Plus, you'd have to double-side the leaves as well... how do people accomplish good Quest supported Crimmas Trees??

Should I be searching for an existing VRC prefab for this?

[azure rain]

the transparency support being unavailable is only for avatars you can use transparency on worlds just be careful with them because it's expensive for performance on Quest

[brisk lichen]

just got blender and have absolutely no idea what i'm doing!!!

[devout orchid]

watch the first pin. or rather start with blender donut tutorial

oh, nvm first pin, thought its #world-development

[faint bronze]

pog, thanks

[keen sierra]

You can already do this in default blender. You just make a face set from selected, hit h to hide the rest, mask -> fill mask. Sure its 2 clicks more, but seems a little overboard to make an addon for this, no?

[timber badger]

also seems like it would just be easier to keep those part of the mesh as a separate object until modeling is done

[hushed leaf]

that's my suggestion, yup

[dim fable]

hey guys any idea what i did wrong? still learning how to use blender and unity lol

[timber badger]

does it have 2 (or more) uv maps

[dim fable]

no just 1

wait i think i was thinking of something else, wdym by that

[dim fable]

ohhh

heres what it looks like

[dim fable]

hi! i managed to figure it out, i tried following a different tutorial on youtube and it did it :D

thank you !

i think it was the way i unwrapped the mesh, should i put the video i used to fix it?

thankyouu xD

https://youtu.be/xurHA63dl74?si=2RM6rRIj_b8Gjtxo

oo ok thank you :D

tyy i will haha

[spiral sigil]

fixed

[timid hazel]

so i have this model but every time i test it i just get spawned on the normal platform

[hushed leaf]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean

[timid hazel]

i dont get spawned into the building if i make a spwan it say too many pipe lines

[hushed leaf]

huh yeah no idea what that means

[flat kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078476844090794014/1318040030555406378/image.png?ex=6760dfef&is=675f8e6f&hm=9fca65f764ba97999d1ac85f8119f4df89da72b659ad3b0725fc73d467be0cfd&

[foggy echo]

This is scary

https://youtu.be/jXCCTg9GRmk?si=8HL6tV09b_9olC_6

[grand dirge]

We still need people to rig + retopologizing is needed still

Menacing, but not scary/threatening

[jagged moat]

Ah rigging and retopo, the parts artists love doing most when making an avi

[hushed leaf]

I don't mind rigging as much as I do UV unwrapping anything complicated

[grand dirge]

I'm the opposite

UV unwrapping is easy for me tbh

Although I do have an abnormally high level in being able to mentally unwrap meshes...

[tough plover]

I enjoy doing UVs ^^

[hushed leaf]

ye gods, you did this by hand?

[carmine pagoda]

Yeah, I’m not onto this. I’m still struggling to model my avatar.

first time blender user syndrome

[flat kelp]

Takes many small steps to get better

I was unable to complete the donut tutorial the first time I tried

🗣️✨

[vast lodge]

how to drill a hole for eye? I try Boolean modifier but it didn't work

[mint silo]

ye i'd just ask blender to do it for me lol, or i use a premade model

[tough plover]

Blender's built in UV packing isn't this good. it's gotten better in newer versions, but UVPackmaster still dominates.

there's more to it than just packing, too. you want to unwrap, straighten and generally just make sure UV islands are optimal

[tough plover]

somewhat. the packing is done using UVPackmaster's heuristic search, an iterative process to find the optimal packing density, but a lot of work went into tweaking islands like mentioned above, and also stacking islands that could share the same textures. a lot of islands are also folded on themselves for mirrored parts

[hushed leaf]

Packmaster is good

[hushed leaf]

I usually just make a cutter cylinder in edit mode for that object then face -> intersect (knife) and delete the parts I don't want

the boolean modifier can be tricky to get right

[queen grail]

Anyone know if theres a blender plugin that makes the camera work like unity or roblox studio's?

Not as in render camera as in like

Moving around

Ive been modelling for 2 years and it still pisses me off to this day 😭

[tough plover]

some tips:

• use numpad period to set the camera pivot to the selected object(s)
• use shift + ` (backtick, next to 1) to use a "first person" camera that you can fly around. left click to stop that mode and stay in current position, right click to return to original position

that first one is really important

you can also just use ` to access some camera controls

doing numpad period is the same as View Selected in that ss

[carmine pagoda]

Anyone know how I can fix this?

I want it to look like this

Blender ignorance at its finest

[hushed leaf]

move the selected part to the desired location?

[carmine pagoda]

Never mind, I figured it out

I was using vertex select when I should’ve been using face

I love blender

[hushed leaf]

ahh yes

[feral yoke]

Not sure where this goes, but I wanna ask:

How hard would it be to make the Eurovision 2025 stage as a world in VRC?

Cause I can't help but see potential for it to be an awesome world in VRC.

[feral yoke]

https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-2025-visuals-stage-and-ticketing-info-revealed

[flat kelp]

Good luck animating that

It is possible, a lot of work!

[feral yoke]

Yeah, it seems so.

Would be fun for Visual Jockeys though.

I actually sent an email to the team behind Eurovision asking if they'd consider the idea of bringing it to VRChat to help them bring more publicity to the event.

It'll get ignored, but I tried.

[mild nimbus]

UVPackMaster?

The margins are all the same across every island

So I assume you used UVPackMaster.

[tough plover]

mhm

[solid minnow]

Making some "assets" for my Akyo avatar.

[solid minnow]

Getting close

[tawny pollen]

Making a rig for this is probably one of the trickiest parts I'll ever have to do because all I've been doing is using empty controls

But as you can see here, I did this completely from scratch, even the texture

[lethal terrace]

is cats blender plugin still up to date like

i was gonna make an avatar lewl

[tough plover]

yes

https://catsblenderplugin.xyz/

[rose atlas]

I made an edit on Zinpia's Haka head and closed the hole in the bottom and sculpted it. This is the UV map before. Now it looks like the second image. Is there somone who can help me either re-uvmap it or show me how to fix it? I'm trying to make a custom avatar and this is my first time. 😢

for reference, that's the head before and after

[tawny pollen]

so guys, what do you think of this model?

[honest pewter]

How do I make avatars I just got blender tryna download unity how do I get models

[devout orchid]

huh

you make them (which is kinda point of this channel)/buy them/find ones with an apropriate license

[tawny pollen]

This is going to bug the hell out of VRChat

Wait didn't I already send these?

[faint bronze]

💀

[azure rain]

those triangle counts are completely pointless being that dense

[tawny pollen]

Those are quads

Complete quads

With some triangles

[tawny pollen]

Also Ditto

[tawny pollen]

Hold on a minute, this actually gets funnier

Complete quads

Also when somebody worked on a fluid simulation with a ball bouncing off of it, just look at this

[azure rain]

quads only exist as a modeling convenience the graphics card only sees triangles

[tawny pollen]

This is the devs nightmare

[azure rain]

that's not funny it's just a waste

[tawny pollen]

It's funny to me

Funny as in interesting

[azure rain]

how is it interesting?

[tawny pollen]

Because a lot of the game developers behind the scenes use a lot of quads in their workflow from what I've seen in their videos. And most of them have a consistent topology design from a video game perspective.

[azure rain]

I wasn't saying quads aren't useful I'm just noting triangle count is accurate for assessing geometric density

[tawny pollen]

Oh I see

[azure rain]

like vrchat only has its stats in Triangle count not polygons

I was more finding the subdivide modifier to be pointless because it's not meaningfully adding detail

[tawny pollen]

It just smooths out the original mesh

Like for Scott's modeling technique

Granted it's not the best

[azure rain]

pass the point that it makes any meaningful difference

[tawny pollen]

And we've discussed that probably a lot at this point haven't we?

[azure rain]

if your wire frame is a solid color it's too dense

[tawny pollen]

Yeah

I might as well just sculpt on the detail

[azure rain]

yes because the consequences for bad optimization is literal nausea on vrc

[tawny pollen]

And essentially it becomes my problem too

Because I feel too depressed

[azure rain]

yes your frame rate would be horrendous if you put that hand in

[tawny pollen]

But it's not like I'm going to put in a million polygons

[tawny pollen]

The max subdivisions I'm most likely going to give you guys is most likely twice the amount

[tawny pollen]

Definitely not what that is

[azure rain]

the wire frame show that it's way too much

[tawny pollen]

Yeah

Thanks for talking to me about this by the way rain

The fact that I actually modeled this a few months back made this all the more better

[flat kelp]

N gons are expensive

[tawny pollen]

Tell that to Scott Cawthon, he uses it all the time

See the corner of the chin right where the mouth is connected?

Some dedicated FNAF fan actually made this like a one-to-one recreation made from scratch too

And surprise surprise, turns out the original FNAF help wanted "glitchtrap" model is the high poly version of the Springtrap model. Some parts of it are from the original model but optimized for performance

And when I used loop tools to fix up the topology of the model, I realized that it looks like the original model from Five Nights at Freddy's 3

And also this is the model I was talking about

[tough plover]

this isn't true, ngons are triangulated when the mesh is imported in unity

sharp edges get split during import though

[flat kelp]

Ngons are the least efficient shape, this is true for VRChat and unity triangulation

[flat kelp]

Regardless of when it happens, VRChat runs on the unity engine and force triangulates the mesh even if you import it non triangulated. Unless they changed it to where it stays as quads when you force it to.

[tough plover]

"least efficient" in what regard?

[flat kelp]

The least efficient shape for triangles and their count

[tough plover]

it's not that black and white

[flat kelp]

It is when the context is the efficiency of tri count numbers alone

[tough plover]

ngons are always the most efficient in terms of triangle count. there can be other ways to fill in regions with the same amount of triangles as with ngons, but the point is that you can't do better

[flat kelp]

Does VRChat not count n gons as split faces anymore?

[tough plover]

the one case where ngons can be bad is when they cause a lot of very slim triangles, which can cause over shading issues

[flat kelp]

We are talking poly counts, not shaders or texture optimizations

[tough plover]

it never has? vrchat counts the amount of triangles in a mesh, and because meshes are triangulated at import time in unity, you'd get the same number whether or not you triangulated in blender or not

[flat kelp]

Not what I said

But alright

Either way, a face with four sides is less triangles than any split n-gon, you can use them but like you stated and that is well known, it's not recommended unless you have a specific purpose for them.

[tough plover]

the only cases where ngons can be problematic to my knowledge is shading, deformation, and small triangles, which I've already mentioned.

[flat kelp]

So shader stuff, not tri count which it's also a problem for if you triangulate it

https://docs.unity3d.com/2020.1/Documentation/Manual/FBXImporter-Model.html#:~:text=Unity can import any type,to separate quads and triangles.

There you go

🤷‍♀️

You are correct that I misspoke in stating that VRChat runtime triangulates

What I mean is that if you don't change your import settings to preserve quads, by the time VRChat has the model it's triangulated via Unity. Here is the documentation!

[tough plover]

this is only if you enable Keep Quads, which is usually not recommended in most cases regardless

[flat kelp]

🗣️✨

Mhm

[tough plover]

ok, so I guess we're mostly on the same page then.

[tawny pollen]

And the ngons when subdivided become quads

Remember I've seen it

Sorry I wasn't there to reply as soon as possible

[tough plover]

yes, but we're not talking about subdivision, we're talking about for final meshes imported into unity

[tawny pollen]

Oh right

[tough plover]

you don't subdivide something before exporting it

[tawny pollen]

It has to be applied afterwards

But that raises too many questions

[tough plover]

you can maybe use one level of subdivision while creating a model to help with edge flow and topology, and to make it easier to work with (because less goemetry), but you should never over-subdivide a model when exporting for a game

only use additional subdivisions for doing renders

[tawny pollen]

Oh absolutely

[tawny pollen]

Yeah exactly

[tawny pollen]

Anyway, this has been done by a friend of mine, call him Mr. Grim

[tawny pollen]

Also when it comes to designing stuff, I always think about the canon material for the Avatar of my creation, so when I was designing springtrap again, I went to my good buddy Mal and he told me about looking up how to make flesh textures for blender.

But it really should be discussed in shaders

[modest widget]

Here's VR Design Contest.
It's interesting that UModeler X is required.

[faint bronze]

Prob cause they sponsored it

[tawny pollen]

this is what the normals look like as I mentioned in world lighting

[tawny pollen]

there's a plan where I'm going to make him slightly higher poly to avoid that issue

to get rid of that unwanted seem

[tawny pollen]

remember, I'm making this higher poly on purpose because I want there to be more expressions on this guy

you rip one model you've ripped them all, and trust me, for humans in Battlefront 2, they're all the same 💀

they have the same exact topology

some maybe altered based off of the appearance but they're overall the same design

[tawny pollen]

this will eventually fix the issue I have with the shading issue

[tawny pollen]

okay once I'm done with this part there's one last thing to do, the mouth

[cobalt tiger]

Modeled my first Full outfit! Made in Marvelous and Retopo in Blender, Textured in Substance

[sour tusk]

some stock car bodies i did blue is based on super stock body and the grey ones are replicas of the nascar canada series bodies.

[faint bronze]

a l i e n

[faint bronze]

cute!

[cobalt tiger]

Muahaha

[solar fossil]

Peak male physique

[flat kelp]

Wip ~ 🗣️✨

[broken sphinx]

who can help me edit this drone model to be more photo realistic. i have the real photo, vs this drone taken model which is not very clear wanted to edit.

[charred echo]

any substance gurus that can tell me why my curvature bake in substance is just ignoring the blade edge despite it being marked as sharp and as a seam just like every other correctly baked curve?
included side view from blender if you need it

[winged jacinth]

I can help you to model your character dm if interested. Thanks

[hushed leaf]

FYI this person is very likely a scammer, be careful

[flat kelp]

Yeah don't take dms from people unless it's verified via an official trader discord lol

[winged jacinth]

Sorry but don't misjudged me am not a scammer

[flat kelp]

Post that portfolio and mid-process render line up and don't solicit people to your DMs, this isn't a place to advertise or spear-fish customers.

Your discord account is also two days old lol, even more sus.

[winged jacinth]

Ok thanks

[hushed leaf]

Also rule #10 - don't advertise here.

[jovial seal]

if i wanna sell an avatar on gumroad but i take pictures of the avatar in an instance which i didnt create can that avatar's listing on gumroad get taken down?

even though im not advertising the instance im just using it to take pictures of said avatar?

[faint bronze]

I've never seen that happen

Pretty much everyone i know personally who have done that didn't have a problem but try not to get names or super recognizable stuff in your photos

And I would credit the world and world owner in your description somewhere

[swift jolt]

Thats no issue… unless the person who made the world is your nemesis or something lol

[cobalt tiger]

Yippee my first actual base im proud of!!!

also, does anyone know where i can find a photoshop alternative other than pixlr real quick? i need a masking tool

[hushed leaf]

gimp?

[cobalt tiger]

ooh ty

i heard of it but forgot

[faint bronze]

Krita

[flat kelp]

^ Krita

Gimp is a pain to use (for texturing) and is less supported than Krita for texturing / modeling work

[sullen crown]

I use gimp for everything

[hushed leaf]

I use gimp mostly for graphic design kind of stuff, logos, masks, patterns, etc.,

I like Substance for 3D work, though I tried out ArmorPaint recently, it seems pretty decent as well

[tawny pollen]

Did anyone try anything like Mari?

Has anyone heard of that software before?

[hushed leaf]

yep, I've used it, I worked at a studio for a while, though I wasn't an artist. Seems great if you have the budget.

[tawny pollen]

Yeah, unfortunately I don't have those things

[hushed leaf]

yep

[tawny pollen]

The most I got are ripped models from Star Wars Battlefront games that are existing ones that are made in those softwares

[tawny pollen]

This looks a lot like the ones you see in the original trilogy

Especially in Return of the Jedi

[tawny pollen]

As I said, I don't really have those things but I wish I had the equipment that I can use to manually make whatever I can to make hi-res ones like for Darth Vader

[hushed leaf]

you have blender, right?

[tawny pollen]

Yeah

[cobalt tiger]

Wip

[swift jolt]

Paint.NET

[tawny pollen]

Yes I do. I feel like I should start sculpting stuff more often because there's too many things I don't

[tawny pollen]

here we go

[tawny pollen]

check this out!

[hushed leaf]

you really don't need to ping me for this stuff.

[tawny pollen]

okay

sorry

[cursive summit]

I'm having a really weird issue with Blender, when I go into camera view and zoom in too close, it progressively gets more and more laggy, until it freezes and starts using 90% of my CPU then crashes if I don't keep scrolling out, it only happens in Material mode and Render mode

[cursive summit]

Also, I tried to subdivide a plane twice, and its fine, but as soon as I put a material on it with textures, it crashed the program instantly

[hushed leaf]

weak CPU? I could see that kind of thing happening in render mode

[cursive summit]

I'm not sure, this thing is brand new so it shouldn't be having problems, it happens in material and render mode, but only if I zoom in while in the camera view

[hushed leaf]

is this with eevee or cycles?

[cursive summit]

it seems to happen with both

[hushed leaf]

oh that's really strange then

[cursive summit]

its acting like it needs to calculate every scroll closer, it'll freeze for awhile then go back to normal until I scroll out or in again

So I just tried again, and now its not doing it anymore?? Blender is weird af

[hushed leaf]

hah weird!

[cursive summit]

Knowing Blender, its gonna do it again for no reason in like 3 days or some shi

[drifting sage]

does the object have any modifiers?

[cursive summit]

Only armature, at first I thought it was the volume scatter effect but I removed it and it was still doing it

[drifting sage]

is it only with that specific material active or also default material?

[cursive summit]

It happened over two different Blender projects that had no connection, which makes it way weirder than just one

[cursive summit]

UPDATE: It turns out its tied to the "Render Region/Crop To Render Region"

If I turn either on, it starts to crash for whatever reason

[alpine nimbus]

Any blender experts know how to fix this shading?

[stone pine]

alt + n then reset vectors should work

[tawny pollen]

In terms of raw details which do you think takes the win? Fallen Order/ Survivor or Battlefront 2? I'm talking about Darth Vader's helmet btw

[tawny pollen]

This is very old

[tawny pollen]

I need ideas to put this hair back together

[tawny pollen]

I remember this

But I don't like it

[cobalt tiger]

like not have the texture float? try adjusting the UV around the hair texture

[tawny pollen]

umm

it's visible from the mesh

[crude heron]

So I once saw someone who said they used a Manuka as a base for their avatar but her body size and proportions were actually adult sized instead of Manuka default

Is that simple to accomplish?

Is it just as simple as scaling up the body/clothes in blender?

[hushed leaf]

you may have to scale more... proportionally rather than just the whole thing, but yeah, totally doable

[crude heron]

yeah that makes sense

but i can just apply scale operations? that's cool

[keen sierra]

in blender yes

[orchid phoenix]

cooking, perchance

[exotic obsidian]

Getting the shape of the spines right is harder than I thought, but I feel like I'm getting somewhere

[carmine vigil]

Does anyone know how to make it so the dress and the coat will react to the movements of the characters legs so there is no clipping. I imported into vrchat and when I ran the costumes would just stay still and the knees would be peaking through.

The boots and arms worked right

and the sleeves

just not the legs with the skirt and coat

i checked the vertex groups

they have a vertex

is it a weight paint thing?

[hushed leaf]

yep, weight paint the clothing to move with the leg bones

[carmine vigil]

alright time to learn how to manually weight paint then

thx

[tawny pollen]

https://youtu.be/brkRCD61o20?si=RRchDIiVRvSen33k Lazy is amazing at accuracy modeling

[fair mason]

recently fell in love with the "pluto's christmas tree" design of mickey so im like making that now https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010366516874719352/1331263934593765428/image.png?ex=67924d27&is=6790fba7&hm=2508f731478ce8123247591ac8a3bb0040ab90fcc07c2489fd929f895534a855&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[cobalt tiger]

i would like some advice on how to make this head im making more masculine looking

[tough plover]

I think the jaw is too much like a V, it needs to be broader and more defined

the lips might be a bit too tall also

[peak loom]

Beginner question for you 3D Modelers: How do I fix the edges so this wall has more even topology?

Made this neat window but it also made a weird triangle bit in the wall

[astral pond]

select the faces and press i think ctrl + t

which will triangulate it

you can then manually adjust verts to be in better soots for topology

[peak loom]

Ty ty ❤️

[flat kelp]

I'd look into the aligned version of the knife tool as well

A stranger way I sometimes use would be using a plane and a boolean modifier to cut apart the mesh and merge the split vertices at the edges.

[hushed leaf]

IMO that's not strange at all.
I also like to use other faces to cut in mesh edit mode with Face -> Intersect (Knife)

[swift jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057796070299684976/1332459134775201834/image.png?ex=679554c5&is=67940345&hm=da0bfa814013061a820698738aa150d7ccd2e4e392958bb9cb2c6d70bada868b&

Lil statue/totem

[olive kestrel]

has vrchat upped the vrchat quest from 10 mb to 40mb?

[azure rain]

the max file size has not changed it's just now enforcing a Max texture memory memory size of 40 MB for Quest

[olive kestrel]

ah ok

[tawny pollen]

This is not by me but this is actually pretty cool, I saw it on Twitter

[tawny pollen]

This was by me, I just happened to make it look fancier

[granite snow]

Some people might know who this guy is

[golden raptor]

why is this no clipping in blender but its clipping in unity? im bout to lose my mind 😭

idk how to begin to fix this issue

[jagged moat]

try triangulating in blender before exporting

[golden raptor]

how do i do that?

[golden raptor]

plus how would that help? 😭

[jagged moat]

Add a triangulate modifier to the mesh

[jagged moat]

Unity triangulates when importing a mesh and it may be triangulating differently to blender, so if you triangulate in blender first you'll know the mesh is the same. The difference in how it triangulates may cause clipping

I've exaggerated for example, but if you have a quad that isn't flat, depending on which way it's triangulated you can get clipping

[devout orchid]

also could be exceeding 4 bone weights limit

vertex should not be weightpainted to more than 4 vertex groups

[hushed leaf]

FYI you can selectively triangulate in face edit mode, select faces then right-click and there's a menu option. Often better than using a modifier. Also you can control how this happens by simply joining two points to make a new edge, at strategic locations.

[tough plover]

there's also the Flip quad tessellation option to make a quad triangulate the other way

[hushed leaf]

oh I forgot about that

[tawny pollen]

Do you want to know something about accuracy guys?

[hushed leaf]

sure

[jagged moat]

I guess we'll never know

[exotic obsidian]

Not necessarily for VRC, but I made a little computer cat I've named "Compmewter"

[tawny pollen]

if the model is accurate and the references don't line up then it's off target, like a shotbow. if a model is inaccurate and it lines up with references then it's like a vampire looking at themselves in a mirror

[tawny pollen]

you now know

[hushed leaf]

I'm not really sure I know now

[jagged moat]

I can't say I follow if I'm honest

[tawny pollen]

Okay

[noble bough]

upcoming first VR Chat avatar, lets see what all can go wrong xdd

[noble bough]

starting to optimize the mesh, and so far pretty good

[jovial seal]

when yall design furry models, how tf do you address the eys cause i try to approach them with an angle like this and they just look awful from the side view.

[keen sierra]

eyelids follow the shape of the eyeball

[jovial seal]

hm

[noble bough]

yo wtf is happening in the background

[swift jolt]

Someone is just sitting/half laying down…

[noble bough]

did some face retopo, now i got the nice flow and far less polys

left is new

this is without the subdiv 1 modifier

[cobalt tiger]

vey nice!

[noble bough]

what was the solution to fixing this ? the normals of my baked texture do no align correctly in blender

I tried flipping the green channel, but that still didn't do it

[dusky bramble]

Is the color space of the normal texture set to non-color?

[noble bough]

i could try to remove the green channel flip for a sec

ok removing the channel flip didnt help either

the thing is, it looks completely normal in substance painter and in marmoset

it has to be the channel flip, but it doesnt work

[jagged moat]

If you go to solid view and enable backface culling, does the hoodie still look correct?

[noble bough]

wdym with solid view

you mean unrendered ?

[jagged moat]

I mean, you're currently in material view, if you hold down z and select "solid" you'll see a non textured version of the model

[noble bough]

yeah my bad, we meant the same thing ^^

[jagged moat]

ah gotcha

[noble bough]

it is red on the inside, cause the hoodie is single sided

thats why

i deleted the unnecessary mesh on the inside

[jagged moat]

That looks good, I just noticed in your normal map setup that you're doing the Y-1 though I believe it should be 1-Y instead to flip the green channel. Though I don't think that is the cause

[noble bough]

i can give that a try

i also tried to flip the normal in the baking process in marmo

but that did nothign

[jagged moat]

Oooh I also just noticed you have your normal plugged into the strengh part of the Normal Map node and not the color

[noble bough]

oh my god

[jagged moat]

Hopefully that fixes it

[noble bough]

nope still looks like shit xd