3d-modeling

[swift jolt]

Then why not just paint direcly on it? You saw were you were drawing the line right? Just had to continue it on the texture

[toxic grotto]

do i have to use unity with the vrchat creator companion

[azure rain]

yes that's how you upload content to vrchat

[toxic grotto]

oh ok

so do i make the avatar in blender then somehow import it to unity?

[azure rain]

yes

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/creating-your-first-avatar

[toxic grotto]

k

thank you

[frank plank]

should I push his arms back?

[devout orchid]

@frank plank youre free person, do however ya u like

[frank plank]

yeah but to me it looks weird from the sides

[devout orchid]

youre the artist. id place it like 2/3 front

[frank plank]

how do I fix this error with the arms

It happened when I merged all the meshes into one

[devout orchid]

whats the error

[frank plank]

ok so I had to redo the arms

now how would you rig this character with separate meshes

[harsh saddle]

Same way you rig a character with one mesh, parent them to the armature and add weights. Though you should just join the meshes if they don't need to be separate.

[halcyon topaz]

My first model i put it in VRChat and now I’m just fixing a few bugs

[distant cloak]

is there a way to measure and replicate the length on the marked part to the area the arrow is pointing to? I'm trying to make all my doorways the same size

[spiral sigil]

there is an option to show edge length

you probably found it already though

[distant cloak]

I haven't, could you please point me to it?

[spiral sigil]

in edit mode

[distant cloak]

Thank you

[austere roost]

Commission I'm working on but I'm gonna ask should I do more with the dress or not

[harsh saddle]

I think we'd need more context of what the commission requested, if there has been any stylistic requests or reference images, etc. There's nothing objectively wrong with it but we don't know what you were aiming for.

[foggy granite]

Show the reference

[austere roost]

Here you go

Still have to do more but I'm also doing multiple outfits

[quaint jasper]

You should really find a proper tutorial, like Rainhet's

[foggy granite]

Can you show the model in just object mode and at a different angle

[austere roost]

Not home right now at work but sure

[foggy granite]

K

A little tip if you showing off a model stick to object mode and there's a little tab where you can play around to show off textures, material, etc easily with a minimum setup

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ4uaKJRYO0U2LJ88usRXcMqb2rjCnb-_IWQ&usqp=CAU

[red glade]

New drip in progress 🕺

[arctic obsidian]

Trying to make people (sounds ambiguous, lol)..

[quaint jasper]

Looks great!

[trail python]

default avatar height is 2 meters isn't it? trying to scale best i can

[harsh saddle]

No, the collider is 1.8m, I think and the actual body is more like 1.7. 2m would be about 6'6".

[trail python]

ahh thanks. that info is wildly helpful

forgot to remove the @, sorry lols

[slender ice]

My friend is working on a world

[trail python]

rounded to 6hrs of work. before v after, 16 obj is just from splitting it apart so i can edit better. i feel like a sunburnt weed growing in-between cracks of a sidewalk

long story short, optimizing still matters even if its a lil painful

[crystal steppe]

so i have a question about eye bones.
every avatar I've worked with has had two bones per eye, Eye_R and RightEye for example, as far as I've noticed vrchat only needs one of these. I'm having trouble finding why this is from googling, is this an eye tracking compatibility thing?

This is just something i've been curious about for awhile

[thin shadow]

it's just redundancy

[crystal steppe]

ah, alrighty then

[cunning sun]

anyone specializes in making blendshapes for guns or making vrchat/unity ready guns?
im totally new to this thing but i have a revolver from destiny and i would like to make it work for my avatar.

[small vessel]

can someone give me some tips on how to model fluff like this.

I'm not sure where to begin box modeling it

[harsh saddle]

I'd sculpt it and retopologize but that's always my advice.

[small vessel]

yeah I think you're right

I usually avoid sculpting but this might be applicable

[quaint jasper]

A cube with subdiv will get you a sphere, I'd start from there !

[harsh saddle]

You could probably boolean together some subdivided cubes to get a starting shape but the topology won't be great which is where the retopology comes in.

[distant cloak]

Is there a way to scale these faces at once without them recessing into the sphere? I've tried everything and am actively losing my mind over it

[devout orchid]

@distant cloak try different transform orientstions/pivot point modes?

[distant cloak]

I've tried all orientations, the extra modes of extrusion on the left in Edit Mode, also the different types of scaling

[clear geyser]

https://youtu.be/xyUXfjBtanA?t=528 I've used their afro method to create a fluffy sheep. You could also try meta balls since they stick together then ofc retopo

[clear geyser]

You tried this?

[distant cloak]

I'll give it a shot rn

It works, thank you

[small vessel]

these are all good suggestions

[devout orchid]

@distant cloak bruh

[distant cloak]

It's been a long day

[clear geyser]

😂 They needed the answer to be very specific

[uncut imp]

set your selection mode to individual face then scale

NVM i was too slow and didnt see that Burritony said that XD

[small vessel]

I didn't want to at first, but I think this was actually the best move AND I avoided sculpting anything

[azure rain]

cool

[clear geyser]

Looks good :D

[silver merlin]

I got a question

[clear geyser]

Go ahead

[silver merlin]

So like

Is blender the good good stuff?

[clear geyser]

It's free and very versatile so yes. You can learn many different ways to create 3D models. Sculpting, poly modeling, texturing etc. It's a great all-in one program

@silver merlin

[silver merlin]

Oh

I don't know where I was going with that lol

What if I'm on mobile?

[clear geyser]

Unfortunately Blender doesn't have mobile options but older versions can run on underpowered computers/laptops

[silver merlin]

Is there a 3d model app for Android then?

[clear geyser]

No

[silver merlin]

Fuck

Bullshit tbh

[trail python]

newer versions are better for slower pcs bc its better programmed

also yeah dont expect do be able to do much in regards to 3d with android

[silver merlin]

I wanna make my own stuff

😭

[trail python]

wait until you can get employed, mow lawns, take peoples trash out, etc for basic laptop

careful if you get a dm from someone trying to sell you a model, its a scam

[silver merlin]

I don't have.money

[trail python]

either way, just something to be aware about when you're able to buy models and stuff like that

[silver merlin]

I won't

[clear geyser]

Even if you were able to create 3D models on your Android, you'd still need Unity to upload it to your account which can also only be used on the computer

[silver merlin]

Can't I ask someone else?

[clear geyser]

It's not recommended. You'd be putting your account at risk

[trail python]

its not solely not recommended, it goes against the TOS and can get you and whoever uploads for you banned

[nocturne hill]

Someone could upload it as public to their account, so that you can use it. but risks it being leaked via cloning.

[harsh saddle]

Maybe one day soon we'll be able to generate high quality 3D models using AI prompts but you're still going to need Unity to put it all together an handle the lighting and stuff. Might be a while before the AI can handle that part.

[thin shadow]

that maybe true but looking at the pattern nowadays, any kinds of service usually being monetized to the fullest extent

[hardy turret]

is it better to make cloth via the cloth simulation or poly model?

[arctic obsidian]

New commission 💪

[little inlet]

How would I go about separating this pin from the cone it is inside of? Who ever modeled it made it all one piece. Can I cut off everything from the pin down and re-extrude the pin? This is in Blender BTW.

[harsh saddle]

If it's not actually connected, you can hover over it, hit L and then hit P to separate. Otherwise, you'll just need to manually select it and then separate.

[small vessel]

yes, but you're going to have trouble using it in a may meaningful for vrchat

you'd still need to export your sculpts to a pc to rig it in blender or maya or whatever

[harsh saddle]

I could see modeling on a chromebook or something but trying to model on a phone seems like a nightmare

[small vessel]

look into nomad sculpt, but tbh it's useless on a phone

it works better on tablets

[small vessel]

I really wish there was a good mobile workflow

[trail python]

thats like trying to fit a computer into a phone

just not going to happen until technology advances

same reason questies complain about performance

(and unoptimized garbage)

[harsh saddle]

Blender could probably run on an iPhone so long as the polygon count didn't get ridiculous. Trying to use all the menus without a keyboard on a tiny screen is another matter

[trail python]

and the hotkeys

[devout orchid]

tablet/phone exists for consumption, not creation

[small vessel]

that's why I don't own one

[solar fossil]

Only creator, no consumer

[swift jolt]

You can get chatgtp to generate vertex cordinates you can turn into an obj file….. but it clearly has no idea what its doing, just making some primitives scatterd around

Still neat tho

[harsh saddle]

Never thought about using ChatGPT for this but it's probably not the best AI for the job (though it can apparently generate Blender scripts). The best I've seen is Imagine AI but it's in a closed beta and you need to apply to get on the whitelist. https://captures.lumalabs.ai/imagine

[small vessel]

are there any worthwhile communities to share 3d models / get feedback

[harsh saddle]

All the major 3D modeling tools have their communities but my experience in using them years back is kind of like stack overflow for modelers, unless your work is at the highest tier, expect to either get ignored or talked down to.

[spiral sigil]

I had a good experience with the handpainting 3d discord

Although I must warn you from my experience at least not to over-rely on your community or someone else to grow as an artist

But that depends on what your overarching objective of being an artist is to you too

Like the big picture of your entire life

Also avoid the art communities that are full of sensitive people who have no sense of comedy and are all tramuatized people and victims

that just goes for having friends in general not to be around emotionally abusive people really, for people who have experienced that they sure have no problems perpetuating the same shit online

But you don't want that to muck up your art journey and I have found that in mainstream communities with younger people

[small vessel]

I've not heard of this discord

[small vessel]

Isn't there already a stack overflow for modelers? That might interest me

[harsh saddle]

Sorry, this question was asked 14 years ago and answered with a link that is broken as of 12 years ago. Locking this thread.

[small vessel]

😭

[thorn dome]

shaving off rust
its actually been a whole year since i last did anything in blender lmao

[hot leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867639346551062528/1080971572346638386/image.png

[small vessel]

lol

[red glade]

Goofy makeup

[thorn dome]

progress

[spiral sigil]

This technically works but u have to know who dming you is a scammer and you won't get much genuine attention here

VRC Traders Discord works the discord is about commissions #community-servers-old

[clear geyser]

Scammer

[tulip pasture]

@steady maple go to vrc traders

There are many artist

[jagged moat]

I'm not buying it

You've got expert in your name and a low effort screenshot of an avatar as your pfp

[exotic obsidian]

Also they've only been a member since January.

A discord member.

[steady maple]

Yep lol he sent me a bunch of pictures and they have very different styles and he kept saying ill do it the way you want

[trail python]

dm one of the chat mods with a screenshot, theyll remove them

[steady maple]

i already blocked agh

[trail python]

it helps so other people dont get scammed

[rapid jasper]

how would one make big sleeves like this?
problem here is that while looking on the inside, it's clear that it's actually completely flat.
trying to fill the inside of the bump results in non-manifold three-faces-connected edges.
would the only way around be solidifying the mesh, or is this kind of non-manifold fine?

[marble mist]

Hey guys could anyone help me fix my vrchat avatar for quest on blender when I import my Avatar into unity and add the textures/materials the eye/eye brow textures look really weird could I send you the blender save file and could you help fix this for free for me please

[harsh saddle]

I'm confused, does something have to be airtight to be considered manifold? I thought it was just about not having enclose interior spaces, in any case, doing a partial solidify where you extrude and scale in the outside boundary loop and then extrude that into the interior until it gets to a point that wouldn't ever be seen unless you were looking directly through the sleeve should be fine. Or if you wanted to close it up, you should cap it off with a plane to suggest the arm going back into shadow.

[harsh saddle]

Your problem is likely the fact that Quest avatars don't support transparency. Nothing to be done about that, you just need to sculpt the eyebrows into shape or paint them on the texture. Similarly with the eyeballs, it's likely they have a clear transparent layer that isn't supported with the Quest shaders.

[marble mist]

could I send you the blender file please I have been trying this for weeks now and nobody will help I just don't know how to do this stuff please?

[harsh saddle]

If your textures are set up to require transparency, it's going to be a fair bit of work to change that and I've got my own projects.

[marble mist]

could you at least have a look and see if its easy to do please?

[harsh saddle]

If your materials are only looking weird with the mobile materials, it's a transparency issue. Post a picture of how it looks.

[marble mist]

okay give me a sec

this is what it looks like

I am very confused could I send you the file please i don't know how to fix this and when people tell me how to fix it my brain has a mini heart attack

[marble mist]

Here you go does this help?

[marble mist]

can we dm about this please dude

Here is the file if you can help I would be really thankful

[thorn mango]

Yall how do i fix the pants they wont like go to his skin its eaither clipping or to loose

[quaint jasper]

Edit mode, and you move things around

[thorn mango]

Ty

[thorn mango]

How do i move it in edit?

[quaint jasper]

G key

https://youtu.be/n1lCK8WH62k

[stiff folio]

Can someone help me on using blender? I'm using a video and following along as told and each time I click the fix model button, the base of the avatar will turn pink and I'm not sure how to fix it or why it's doing it. I'm using an FBX off of another avatar. Photo reference below!

[cedar sundial]

is there anyone that could 3d model my promise ring that my boyfriend go for me? id like an estimate first and pictures of previous works. ☺️

[small vessel]

what does it look like

[cedar sundial]

almost like a tiara

[thin shadow]

Before fixing, make sure that the textures are not embedded. Unpack locally on a folder.

[stiff folio]

How can I do that ?

[rapid jasper]

is there any way to fade the inside of the clothes into black?

when searching on Google, I literally have no result 🤔

[thin shadow]

It depends on versions, depends on workflow. Actual buttons, windows and text may differ.

[harsh saddle]

Sure, just using a gradient on the texture map

[rapid jasper]

but I don't see how I could do it so that it's more transparent on the outside, and fades gradually to black on the inside 🤔
so far I've only seen textures being applied to a surface, not a volume

[harsh saddle]

Nothing I've been suggesting has the intention to make something more transparent, perhaps I'm not sure what you're after.

[rapid jasper]

basically, for a simplication of shadow inside of the clothes, I'd like the inside to fade from transparent to black

[harsh saddle]

But it's a solid opaque shirt. I don't know why you would want to introduce transparency.

[rapid jasper]

it's a dress, sorry for not being clear about that haha

[harsh saddle]

A see-thru dress?

[rapid jasper]

well the goal is to not make it see-thru, while still keeping the body inside 🤔

or maybe there's a better way of doing it

[harsh saddle]

If you don't want it to be see-thru, I don't know why we're talking about transparency.

[rapid jasper]

because it fades to black, from the outside, to the inside

[harsh saddle]

Yeah, so you make the texture fade from the color of the dress on the outside to black using color. No transparency.

If you're drawing or painting shadows, you don't need transparency to make a shadow

[rapid jasper]

nevermind, forget it

[still wadi]

@rapid jasper what you're talking about is basically some RTX style shader where it calculates light bounces and is very hard to replicate in vrchat.

[rapid jasper]

what about your run of the mill censorship filter?
honestly not sure if I want censorship on my own model lmao

[thin shadow]

If I want to take a guess, you are talking about ambient occlusion. You can bake AO in blender.

[rapid jasper]

Oh! That may definitely be it yeah, how so then? 🤔
Any tutorial you'd recommend, or any process you know about?

[thin shadow]

https://youtu.be/rg3i2YON8tM
Something like this, but enable AO in the baking process

[rapid jasper]

how do I enable AO, is it a node, or a setting somewhere?

[thin shadow]

It's a drop down menu and/or checkbox in the bake menu. Depending on blender version, your mileage may vary

Can't send screen shot, I'm on my phone

[rapid jasper]

got it 👍
I'll try doing that once I'm done with the clothes and everything

[marble mist]

Hey dude could you help fix my avatar today?

[trail python]

if you pay them yeah

begging in every channel instead of learning how to fix it isnt gonna help

[idle obsidian]

i want to subdivide the mesh

but only parts are subdiving

it worked before on the same mesh

but now it doesnt

i cant sculpt without it

aaa

[quaint jasper]

Why are you not doing this with the subdivision modifier ?

Make sure you don't have overlapping vertices

[jagged moat]

This, or multi-res if you want to sculpt the subdivided mesh without applying it

[idle obsidian]

subdivision modifier does nothing

i rase the level but it doesnt change

i tried it already

only thing that worked was right click and subdivide

but now it doesnt

[jagged moat]

have you tried merging by distance?

[idle obsidian]

is that in modifiers

[jagged moat]

you can do it by selecting the mesh, tab->a->m->merge by distance

[idle obsidian]

this just moves the vertices in a weird way

[jagged moat]

as long as you keep it on the default value, it will connect any vertices that are in the exact same spot which shouldn't happen for clean topology

also if there are a bunch of separated faces the subdivide modifier won't work correctly

[idle obsidian]

i somehow managed

blender so confusing

it works one time other time it doesnt

[azure rain]

Very cool

[marble mist]

hey guy's so I am making my first ever VRChat avatar for quest and I need help so In unity as you can see from this image the eyeliner is messed up could someone quickly fix this for free for me please

[frozen hornet]

anyone have good sources for modeling shoes in blender? i can only find speed vids that i cant keep up with

[quaint jasper]

Slow down the vid

[frozen hornet]

not really a tutorial still

[spiral sigil]

It's best for actually learning if you find your own way

If the video isn't enough somehow

[frozen hornet]

i like things to be explained its how i learn most things for blender. im just having trouble finding sources that do that

[spiral sigil]

If that's your primary way of learning then you may eventually hit a point where you can't find your hyperspecific queries and lack the ability to problemsolve yourself

Which seems to be happening now

[frozen hornet]

idk if i say that i just want to know how to make a shoe

[spiral sigil]

I wonder if you can get detailed enough datasheets on them from contacting shoe manufacturers

[frozen hornet]

what

[spiral sigil]

To get drafts or schematics

Or like autocad drawings

[frozen hornet]

so like circling back to my original question i take it you dont know any tutorial videos for blender to make a generic shoe?

[spiral sigil]

nope

but

I believe in you

[quaint jasper]

https://youtu.be/5JA0f8ZgIw0?list=PL2EEbgwoJzdt5kFVDyY2lliNqf7cWJeD3

[split walrus]

can someone tell me why these faces r different colors

[quaint jasper]

Try flipping the normals with Alt + N

[split walrus]

nope that doesnt fix it

[quaint jasper]

Could be duplicate vertices then

[split walrus]

how would i check that?

[quaint jasper]

M > Merge by distance

[frozen hornet]

Have you recalculated them?

[stable spindle]

im having some issues with normals i believe

i have feetsies on a blendshape and when there out the normals look awful and idk how to fix it

they also look awful ingame

[devout orchid]

@stable spindle in unity import set blendshape normals to eithet import or ignore/off whatever its called. random pic from net, dont follow it

[stable spindle]

thanku

needed some blender work

[tight quartz]

Hey! So when I export these specific objects and then reimport them they become without textures.

Im using nodes for it

[spiral sigil]

You have to bake your Shader effects to a texture

YouTube that

Your objects will also be just the 3d model if you try to use this asset in other programs

Until you bake the texture maps you need for the program ur gonna use it in (unity?)

[tight quartz]

Unity yea

[spiral sigil]

YouTube will help u

[quaint jasper]

Made those in the past two days

[jagged moat]

Live gromit mug reaction

[cursive bridge]

alright I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get this texture to work well on all sides of this beam. I applied scale, have messed with setting seams(may not have done this part correctly), tried the auto-texture node, manually moving/rotating around in UV editing and I just... can't get it lol. It works on the top and bottom portions but the rest are forever stretched.. does anyone know what I may be missing 😭

I feel like it's something dumb I'm missing lol

oooooo I may have got it, setting texture to flat seems to have give me many progress

[quaint jasper]

Is flat not the default for the Image Texture node ?

[cursive bridge]

It might be, but then I'm even more confused because if that's the case it was on flat for the majority of me troubleshooting hah

okay at this point I'm like 95% positive I sent myself down a rrabbit hole because I didn't apply scale before trying to do all of this hahaha. Started from scratch with a new material and all my issues were gone :^) GG me

amazing what happens when you do things correctly ; ;

[spice pewter]

Nice

[magic badge]

Model by me and Darks.

[spring onyx]

Alrighty, so I have these two ears I want to rig for my avatar, is there anyway I can rig and weight paint them both at the same time? like mirroring but with weight paints and bones?

[plush bone]

weight paint has an X symmetry mode

top right of the screen

for rigging, rig the left side of your mesh and name your bones with a .L at the end, then select all and Armature>Symmetrize

[quaint jasper]

If you have the correct bones on each side, then the mirror modifier does that for you

[spring onyx]

@plush bone @quaint jasper thank you both I figured it out and got the ears working now 😀

[red glade]

After 30 Hours of constant looking at the model seeing what I can fix. I think I can comfortably say im very happy with it. The really only thing that I could make better is the eye texture, Oh also I decided to do a patchwork style of tattooing. annoyingly because the neck and the head are a sepperate texture the upper part is higher res

Ill get to doing the face shapes (Besides the basic talking ones) Once I have the need for them besides posing

[graceful olive]

how would i 3d model the ears n stuff that goes off the avi?

in blender

[devout orchid]

whats going off means

[spiral sigil]

Idk that's for you to figure out how you want your avatar to look

😸

[red glade]

Well, elaborate more.What exactly are you thinking?

[thin shadow]

the answer is, yes

[harsh saddle]

This is what I always recommend but I'd sculpt it. Even if you ultimately don't want to go through a full retopology process, at least you'd have a 3D concept of what you want to achieve.

[graceful olive]

like

this

[graceful olive]

this stuff

[azure rain]

I suppose you could just take a bunch of triangles and apply them to a sphere

https://anaguraworks.booth.pm/items/1407174

https://mushus.booth.pm/items/2609767

some free to download cats you can modify

[harsh saddle]

Why I recommend doing a sculpt first is it's very hard to figure out what the aesthetic of the final model is intended to be from that sketch so it's hard to recommend a workflow. You could also come up with a more detailed character turnaround but I prefer to just sketch in 3D.

[proven linden]

How do I make this in blender

[jagged moat]

A lot of practise

[harsh saddle]

A lot of it could be done with modified primitives. You'd probably want to use a curve for the cord as trying to make a nice looking cord with a cylinder can be challenging.

[waxen mist]

Block it out, get a rough feel for the shape, create the low poly game mesh with that as a base. Use the low poly as a starting point for a high poly version, for all the details you'd want to bake into the normal maps. Bring them into substance, bake the normals, and apply nice materials. Given the fact it's a hard surface workflow I'd recommend separating out every part that would be physically separate for the high poly mesh, as separate objects. The low poly can and should be done as one mesh.

[small vessel]

cheeese

[proven linden]

Like this

[harsh saddle]

It would help a lot to have a side view

[proven linden]

Make make the glass thing outwards

[harsh saddle]

Yeah, I just mean in modeling it, it would help to have a side view to get the depth right but you can eyeball that if necessary.

[proven linden]

I"m going to see if make glass go outwards.

[harsh saddle]

I'd probably just use a section of a cylinder and then dial in the profile with soft selection. Then you can extrude or use a solidify modifier to get the right thickness.

[dense harbor]

I call this squishy estephan

They are my squishy

[leaden jacinth]

its beautiful

[spiral sigil]

omg its adorable

[thorn mango]

it wont let me sculpt anmore?

and when i move like the ears it takes evreything with it

[harsh saddle]

Are you trying to sculpt on a shape key?

[thorn mango]

i do not know also its doing this

[harsh saddle]

You're scaling it up from the origin on one axis so that looks about right I suppose.

[manic spade]

i think they're referring to the fact that the clothes dont scale uniformly with the body

which is because they have different origins

[spiral sigil]

anyone know blender tool in sculpt just pulls towards the camera
trying to do grab but it's uh..messy

[harsh saddle]

You want to only pull towards the camera? You can lock certain axes in the tool settings.

[thin shadow]

ok my turn to ask something. Let's say I have a tube that is made from nurbs curve using array and curve modifier on the mesh.
Are there any way to have it weight painted to the armature without applying modifier?

[quaint jasper]

Auto weight paint doesn't work ?

[thin shadow]

Without applying both modifiers? no
The auto weight paint got applied to the single segment mesh that is in position 0,0,0.

https://youtu.be/aaLRvZLjvwY

i followed the method of creating tubes using this one

[devout orchid]

@thin shadow try to model whole tube and add lattice inbetween (curve bends lattice, lattice deforms tube, when lattice disabled you have straight tube)

[thin shadow]

which modifier should be applied to which part?
I tried applying the curve modifying to the lattice object, it doesn't work

[devout orchid]

@thin shadow it should. you have not forgot to set lattice resolution higher than 2?

on curve's axis

[urban flint]

uhh... I don't know how to fix this, I finished this model and for some reason these 2 faces aren't there in unity, they're not backwards, they just aren't there

NVM, triangulate in blender seems to have fixed it

[thin shadow]

yeap still doesn't work. even with resolution higher than 2

i suppose it's impossible

[fleet turtle]

Got a decent portion modeled now just gotta rig the bones per key

[jovial seal]

Why dont my downloaded blender files have my vertex groups?
this seems to only hapen to me

friends who download my file have it all working

im trying to transfer a file from school

[south saddle]

If your still got it or figured that’s might be why. If you press “g” and scroll with the mouse edited the size of it

[thorn mango]

TY

[twilit cargo]

At some point these shadows (lack of shadows?) appeared on my shape keys, can anyone please help me figure out what caused them and how to fix it?

Already tried recalculating normals and enabling/disabling auto smooth, so I'm not sure what it can be

[quaint jasper]

Are they visible with a Toon shader ?

[twilit cargo]

Doesn't show up with toon shaders, no

[quaint jasper]

Problem solved then

[jovial seal]

.

[vague obsidian]

it's just the 2D face mesh. it's how the face looks drawn on instead of 3D. it's potentially not attached perfectly or formed of multiple layers. it's also potentially a product of the "outline" mesh/shader if it doesn't cover the whole face. could be a lot of things outside of that regarding duplicate unmerged vertices. i wouldn't mess with it if it's a 2d animated face.

[swift jolt]

Just a blender moment tbh

[twilit cargo]

Thank you all! I sucked it up and just remade it, I'm sure there's a better way ™️ but I'm not skilled enough to figure it out

[quaint jasper]

People either shift UV islands by increments, for different faces, or they use toon shaders

[swift jolt]

Wheel

[white dock]

I have a weird shading error in blender, could somebody help figure out what it is??

[gaunt hull]

i need help i am attempting to make a simple clothing piece from a tutorial and that went well, but when i press play nothing happens..?

[harsh saddle]

Are you trying to run a cloth simulation? You'll want to do that inside of the cloth modifier, not using he timeline.

[gaunt hull]

i fixed it

[scenic cipher]

Quick question, I'm modeling an avatar with floor length hair that I want to drag along the floor, I've never modeled such long hair and was curious as for how to do so. Do I model it just straight down or diagonal so it doesn't clip into the floor?

[devout orchid]

@scenic cipher you definetely dont want it to clip, but you can just pose the bones later so you can model it anyhow.

[scenic cipher]

Okie, thank you!

[coarse tangle]

Are there any suggestions for me to follow to reduce the poly count while keeping the wood railing shown? As you can see total the amount of polys is, for half, comprised solely of the ones for the railing.

[azure rain]

could you show a wireframe of the wood railing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWhuCxFXy9k

you could probably dissolve some Edge loops on the railing

[coarse tangle]

ops wrong video

here, this is the right one

already tried unsubdividing it once, and the result is the model that is in the clip

and this is a screenshot of it flattened

[azure rain]

glad you're using an array modifier so you only have to edit one of the railings

[coarse tangle]

from what you're writing I presume that you've encountered people who just Shift+D for things like this 💀

[azure rain]

Yup

[coarse tangle]

already did that and the poly count didn't go down even by just one...

[jagged moat]

That can't be right...

[azure rain]

Did you apply the unsubdivide in the modifier tab

[naive bolt]

Don’t ask for commissions here, there’s too many scammers. Check out VRCTraders discord in #community-servers-old

[spiral sigil]

You guys know any discords oriented around 3d hard surface modeling comms for printing real prototypes nnshit? Or otherwise reliable marketplace not just like fiverr

[old chasm]

Hello! someone is using this server to scam people with my portfolio, is there a way to report? I have their id and proof from other servers

[signal kiln]

Whenever I try merging a mesh to the model the jacket does this everytime I transfer weights. Any fix?

[dull siren]

hi i wanna get into modeling?

this is my end goal i want to try to get it done as soon as possible

[hushed leaf]

mismatched blender versions?

[harsh saddle]

Most of that would be pretty simple to create, looks like lots of primitive objects and slopes with grid textures and metal materials. The troopers would be a lot more work but you could probably find a source for those. The biggest challenge would be planning out the construction ahead of time so your scale and elevation was correct so you might want to study the source material and take some measurements like the size of the walls relative to the people and making some assumptions about their average height.

[dull siren]

their clone actually so they’re exactly 6’1 i belive

[harsh saddle]

Cool, so you could scale a human model up to that height and then the walls should be roughly shoulder height but you'll likely need to get screens from elsewhere to figure the rest out and probably have to do a bit of guessing in areas where you have incomplete information unless you have a good overhead few. You could fancy it up a bit but the majority of this could be approximated with just boxes and ramps.

[safe marsh]

You could just get those assets from gmod people already have made those models

[dull siren]

wait rly?

can you send me a link

im at school

[dull siren]

thanks so much

[safe marsh]

Just look up a video on how to export models from garrys mod it's really easy

[thorn mango]

i imported a model than it said this?

[trail python]

regular version of cats doesn't work with 3.0 and up i think?

[trail python]

use the developer version

[thorn mango]

ohh

[thorn mango]

how do i do that-

[trail python]

its probably on their github but if you join their discord, go to faq chanenl and scroll up to the literal 2nd message of the entire channel theres a direct download link

[thorn mango]

ok ty

[thorn mango]

what to do for armutures?

[dull siren]

i dont own garys mod is that a problem?

[dull siren]

@safe marsh

i dont own garys mod and i found a good map i wanna use

how do i get the models out?

i subscribed to the thing

[safe marsh]

i think you need to own garrys mod

[dull siren]

could you do it and send the file to me?

ik its alot to ask

but i have searched for SO LONG

and this is PERFECT

[thorn dome]

time to rig ig

[quaint jasper]

Should be super straightforward!

[lilac crater]

Does anyone know how to convert a .dff to a sensible 3d format? I have attempted this addon, yet it does not appear even after restart, probably because it is outdated.
https://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=21598

[lilac crater]

this failed too:
https://github.com/Parik27/DragonFF

[lilac crater]

also tried this with blender 2.79, and all I got was a triangulated cube:

[pure dagger]

Finished the Kerfus avatar, Its upon my gumroad now uwu

[pure dagger]

@jagged moatthankies uwu

[jagged moat]

xd, looks great

[spiral sigil]

time to mess with the grim reaper weasel

[spiral sigil]

oh yes testing three 3d model of a fucking weasel/human hope i don't fuck up my own model and considering i'm making it scratch so yay and i did just fuck up the model great.

[harsh saddle]

Then I would go back to an earlier saved version. You have been saving periodically, right?

[proper ice]

I'm figuring out a workflow for importing some objects into blender, and I've exported a test surface from another program and it seems to import into blender just fine, but is this an acceptable output? Will I have to go back and adjust the vertices, etc?

I know that in general I want to try to keep the number of faces pretty low and not just go all crazy

[quaint jasper]

You're asking if 100 triangles is going all crazy ?

I can assure you that it is not crazy, at all, keep doing what you're doing

[harsh saddle]

You're never gonna hit 120 FPS on a TI-83 with that spirit.

[proper ice]

I mean I can always make it way more triangles

I'm asking more about the kinds of threshold for imported surfaces

[quaint jasper]

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking

[proper ice]

Basically if I'm importing objects or surfaces into blender for a vrc world, there are ways for me to limit the resolution of the topology of those surfaces. Is there a general limit I should try to shoot for? With that one surface I posted, I could have made it hundreds or thousands of triangles in the export. I could have made it less.

I definitely don't want to import crazy high res geometry, but I don't want it too low either

[harsh saddle]

I think the documentation for Quest calls for under 50k tris in a world. I'm not sure anyone actually follows this for worlds of any significant complexity. You can get by with >300k visible at any given time if you're baking lights, optimizing textures, not overusing transparency, and if you're using proper occlusion culling, it's more a matter of what's getting rendered at any given time than the polygon count of the entire world as a whole.

[quaint jasper]

This has changed drastically with Quest 2. Oculus suggested to have up to 1M triangles in frame maximum, PC can easily have a couple millions without much of a hit on performance. Obviously, lower is better when you can, but we're past the point of being worried about polygons. Your other points stand though

[devout orchid]

yet still laughable 70k for very poor avatars. while hiding 1kk one (not in toggles, standard shader, no other bullshit, pug) was doing nothing for my old 1070.

[quaint jasper]

70k times 80 people in an instance is potentially 5.6M polygons in frame

[devout orchid]

@quaint jasper and? animators and physbones will crush my cpu waaaaay before that for 80 people. and most people have most of their polys in clothes sets etc.

[quaint jasper]

I'm not sure how whataboutism is relevant here since we're talking about polygons

[harsh saddle]

It's a little annoying having to deal with those limitations in our worlds that are built for <10 people but I can appreciate that the devs need to balance their performance ranks around heavily populated public instances.

[devout orchid]

its relevant, since showing 80 poor ranked people and having any expectations of decent performance is unrealistic scenario for those whos not running 13900+4080 etc for many different reasons, polygons being not first one of them. and for those who do - 6kk polys is still nothing. so this kind of math is not very convincing and we still have everyone using very poor avatars without kniwing if theyre just 100k or 2kk with 100 meshes.

[spiral sigil]

So you want like, draw call awareness or?

There are a lot of people who generally know there are issues they just don't care

And/or underestimate the impact

[devout orchid]

Theres a lot of possible metrics for performance that are ignored for now. I want nothing and thats not a canny ticket, originally I was joining to talk about amount of polygons and following dev recs in general. To put short and overly bold: a. Polys will never be your bottleneck on PC - unless youre going for it intentionally, like subdividing perfectly looking model twice more or using tesselation shaders or porting yandere sim. b. dev recommendations are to be taken with a bit of salt (or ignored and abused), if its left in players hands and not forced by code. You can see what wishfull thinking sometimes behind those and stuff that sells follows few of them.

[trail python]

out of curiousity why do you include yandere sim as an example of poly bloat?

yandere sim the game itself is poorly optimized because of sghetti code and the author made some system where the game checks each hair style, body shape or any other defining accessories, every single frame

[plush bone]

the 1mil poly toothbrush

[trail python]

oh god that unlocked memories

i thought they meant the character models, oh hell the toothbrush

[dim tiger]

is there a way to sculpt specific areas if my meshs are combined?

[sudden jackal]

How do I get rid of this blueeee

[quaint jasper]

Don't combine them

[quaint jasper]

Ctrl + E > Clear sharp

[harsh saddle]

Yes, don't combine them but if you already have, you can select the faces (hover over and press L to select all connected faces) and then press P to separate. Then, you just need to make sure that both meshes are on the basis shape key when merging back and it should work fine.

[dim tiger]

Awesome thx

[karmic reef]

Could someone help me with something on unity I don’t know how to fix this problem and I would appreciate it if someone could help me out here

[harsh saddle]

The shader issue is pretty easy, you just need to change the shader in the materials on the mesh to one of the shaders in the VRChat-Mobile category. The physbones errors will require editing the avatar in a 3D modeling program like Blender. It doesn't appear to be designed for Quest so it will take some work.

[karmic reef]

Thank you so much

[quaint jasper]

Also you can use Windows + Shift + S to take screenshots

[delicate raven]

Modeled a better version of Snipe's gun from My Hero Academia. My friend managed to find a model of him, but the gun that came with it (the top one in the first image) was kind of terrible, so I made my own

I'll probably tweak the proportions a bit more before I rig and texture it, but at least it's better than the original lol

[warm trellis]

Hey, anyone have the CATS blender plug-in mapping add-on? The website link broke, and I've yet to find it anywhere else. (CATS lets you move VRMs into VRC)

[azure rain]

https://booth.pm/ja/items/1025226 this Unity plug-in can also bring vrm into vrc

[warm trellis]

yeah, but I need the CATS plug-in first to make it a bit smaller and quest friendly

ya...ya girl only really rocks the quest well. My pc spits out a funny filter if I do air link. (Prolly need help with that too, for I am dumb baby.)

[azure rain]

that is some very helpful context

https://github.com/saturday06/VRM-Addon-for-Blender

[ashen forge]

For those of you who use Clip Studio Paint I made a guide on using it to do (mostly) real-time texturing with 3D models
https://vrclibrary.com/wiki/books/random-assorted-tips-with-trixxed/page/realtime-texturing-with-clip-studio-paint-clip-studio-modeler

[spiral sigil]

I wish more quest worlds had the quality like this mobile game's 3d environments lol

[harsh saddle]

You just need to get a full team of developers willing to work full time to create a VRChat world. Good luck with that without having a proper way to monetize their work. That being said, there are some amazing VRChat worlds but you aren't going to tend to see that level of optimization.

Plus I imagine those backgrounds are pre-rendered so it's not really a fair comparison.

[spiral sigil]

Yuh

[azure rain]

also probably takes a decent art skills to make just color texture only materials that look nice

[devout orchid]

ya telling me quest worlds look even worse? but yeah, being limited in vram and be able to see stuff not from 5 meters away on a tiny display, but right in your face makes this a bit harder. as everyone says, tis miracle we have any kind of vrchat on android at all.

[azure rain]

you could use more than just color textures ON quest I'm just noting that would be vram efficient compared to a full PBR workflow

[harsh saddle]

You can bake a lot into the texture directly but then you have to contend with light probes and what not.

[elfin pawn]

Anyone know how to fix this? i cut the nose off and added new faces, thought weight-painting would fix it but doesn't seem to work, i have a feeling its something to do with vertex paint but i haven't learned anything about that yet, and there is no useful videos yet i can find anywhere

[thin shadow]

when cutting, make sure to not create vertices in the middle of face. cut straight from edge to edge

[devout orchid]

@elfin pawn select nose, separate it, delete all shapekeys, create new empty one and apply it as base (for some reason without doing so blender still remembers even deleted shapekeys), then join meshes back and merge by distance, should stop them from moving.

[elfin pawn]

So in other words I need to completely redo the head again?

[devout orchid]

uh, that totally not what i said

[thin shadow]

next time, I'll try this method instead. I haven't achieved this level of blender knowledge yet when that thing happens at that time. Thank you.

[devout orchid]

@thin shadow theres also vertex - blend from shape, that allows you to reset veticies but in that case youd need to do it for every shape so...

[elfin pawn]

Oh okay I got to to work now, thank you

[thin shadow]

i was thinking of doing the data transfer modifier thingy to the separated nose. Similar to the process of adding cloth to a base. Would that work?

[devout orchid]

what for? i dont get the point

[thin shadow]

ok so i tested myself. it works if the mesh involved with the cutting has no blendshape. In my case, the eyebrows, using the delete all blendshape method, it works, but there will be no blendshape after merging back the mesh.
So depending on the mesh that is being cut has blendshape or not

[devout orchid]

@thin shadow oh, yes, ofc i meant it for something that is not affected by any blendshapes, like the nose.

[thin shadow]

+1 blender knowledge increased

[spiral sigil]

99991678 knowledge left to obtain

[drowsy drum]

Don’t know where to post this lol but here’s a playlist for unity and blender tutorials to help learn both programs completely beginner friendly.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6-F1octmLlSB7DBA0VqBHqNi1E2N9k9

[azure rain]

Wow that is a very nice playlist

[drowsy drum]

I watched and followed all the videos myself to make sure their beginner friendly so hopefully 🤞 it helps others

[azure rain]

Cool

[winter palm]

So I made an extension on some of the faces, but its coming out like this. Any idea on how I can make this smooth?

[spiral sigil]

Show wireframe and xray

[devout orchid]

@winter palm try do dissolve some verticies to get back to quads. also some normals could be flipped.

[karmic reef]

This is going to be a dumb question where do I go to open the physbones to remove them I did it before and forgot how to get there 🤦‍♀️

[steady zealot]

You have to find the game object in the hierarchy that has the physbone component on it, and then delete it from there

in the inspector

[dry ocean]

can someone help me with my avatar i’m almost done with it i just need help with psych bones and my hat in my avatar isnt working along with a couple other things

[ashen forge]

Finishing some outfits, planning for them to be semi mix-and-matchable

Only 17k tris in total surprisingly

[quaint jasper]

Cute

[spiral sigil]

Hands are hard. Good job.

They still give me trouble regularly

[uneven quest]

I think it's time.

[uneven quest]

Weighted pretty well I like to think.

[uneven quest]

It's gonna be a lot of work to rig the back hair.. I might just not do so

[harsh saddle]

I'd just weight it all to the head, physbones don't really seem necessary since her hair never moves like that in the show.

[uneven quest]

Well it moves separately a little bit in CN: Punch Time Explosion

But yeah I think you're right

[devout orchid]

Can someone give me some good weightpainting videos with more or less complex clothes? Cause when it comes to this, blender fells horribly wrong and awkward, so I'm either missing something/have wrong workflow/theres some musthave plugins.

[trail python]

https://youtu.be/yr5KRYz5ybs
the shirt in this video isnt complex but ive used the method he uses for multiple different types of clothing. its not perfect so youll need to clean things up but it saves a lot of leg work.

the only thing i do different is that i get better results by using "nearest face interpolated" instead of what he tells you

[devout orchid]

im not asking for data transfer, that stuff easy. i want some pro doing some victorian dress or exoskeleton idk

[trail python]

ive used data transfer for dresses and crap like that before lol

im not aware of any tool but most of the time anything complicated can get partially rigged by data transfer, and cleaned up manually

im on cellular so i dont have the image but ive done exoskeleton before too

[devout orchid]

well manual part for me seems awkward the way i see it so thats why i want to see some decent example of workflow

[prime obsidian]

so i imported an avatar fbx into my blender file and for some reason it didn't import with any of the vertex groups nor shapekeys, anyone know what causes it?

i imported it in after importing a diff model into the project, which is completely fine

and also for some reason whenever i import the model the armature gets really messed up

(it's my other vrchat model so it was setup with cats already so idk what causes this)

[prime obsidian]

all transforms were applied as well so idk still what screws up the rig when i import it into a different blender file

[balmy sentinel]

Does anyone have a free female bass I could use in blender?

[azure rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/delaneykingrox/status/1641091146846982144?t=t-CAL6HD6PUClVoLSXH_fg&s=19

[steady zealot]

Quick and to-the-point gif I made to demonstrate how easy it is to move UVs around when manually atlassing textures

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/276187341016530954/1090731032346624110/UV_Atlasing_Tip.gif

[vital drift]

I need to finish this remake of the banban models and making them way better than the original

[harsh saddle]

I like to sculpt using a single mesh and without worrying about topology using dynotopo and then retopologize after I've nailed down the form but there are many approaches.

[solar fossil]

Bonus points to whoever knows who this character is

[uneven quest]

😱

[vital drift]

My version is way more optimized than the original in game since the poly count isn’t abysmal 😂 don’t wanna sound like a dick to the devs of that game but their models are very unoptimized

[uneven quest]

H O W

That is absolutely amazing

Idk how

HOW can it look so 8K and still have a low poly count?!

[trail python]

baking

[uneven quest]

I've never tried that, ever

The models of my Powerpuff Girls avatars are unbaked

So that's probably why the performance is classified as poor

[trail python]

probably material count

[uneven quest]

I never really cared about that to be completely honest

It doesn't affect performance that heavily

[trail python]

yeahh the performance rankings are usually taken as guidelines instead of hard rules

[uneven quest]

(for me, I usually play the standalone Quest version)

[trail python]

ie every separated mesh counts against performance but they recommend you to keep the head and body separated meshes because of blendshapes

yeah if you're standalone its good to stick near em

[uneven quest]

Yeah I join every mesh together

[trail python]

quest can't handle as much as people think it can 🤦‍♀️

[uneven quest]

For the PPG models in CN: Punch Time Explosion, a separate mesh is used for the mouth, but mouth animations had to be replaced with a compromise of swapping out textures

I was able to fix the issue of it looking off by applying the mouth texture to the selected polygons of the head mesh, which are selected to mimic/replace/merge the mesh where the mouth textures would go onto

[harsh saddle]

A common method of animating flat mouths is to use texture coordinate offsets to swap them out so that makes sense. You wouldn't really get anything out of baking for your models, it's for models that need depth/normals, metallicity, differences in smoothness, the Powerpuff girls are flat and rendered the same across their entire bodies.

[uneven quest]

If anyone has ever tried to add someone else from CN: Punch Time Explosion like Ben Tenesson (I probably butchered that name) into VRChat, they should follow the baking advice in this message

[snow bison]

will this ever be an avatar? i cant seem to find any other ones

[spiral sigil]

I'm pretty certain someone had posted a finished version of this character in #avatar-showcase between now and a year or so ago

If you are determined enough id sort by image in that channel and scroll

[harsh saddle]

There are also avatar search worlds, you can probably find it there.

[cerulean shoal]

my house exploded ❤️

[flint nest]

So I've been working on my avatar for my Artificial Intelligence, and I can't quite decide if there's anything that could be added to make her look nicer, or maybe if there may be some outfits out there that may be cool to add to her, anyone got any recommendations? (She is a vroid base).

Trying to go for a techy/loose feel.

[karmic reef]

Help please I’m lost here

[hushed leaf]

Likely the wrong channel, but most of those explain what the problem is - most of it is the shaders you're using aren't compatible with Quest.

[harsh saddle]

You're gonna have a rough time getting a 400k tri model working on Quest. It probably just shouldn't be uploaded period.

[hushed leaf]

oh I missed that, yeah that's not a good thing at all

[karmic reef]

My bad but thank you anyway

[prisma berry]

hey how do i make it so i can see the material of a face from only one side

[harsh saddle]

You want the mesh to be invisible on one side? That's the default rendering in Unity unless you use a double-sided shader.

[prisma berry]

i mean if i grab the cube from blender delete all faces exept one and put it in unity the material goes in both faces tho

[harsh saddle]

Not if you're using the standard shader it shouldn't.

[thorn mango]

whats this mean

[trail python]

only the dev version of cats works with blender versions 3.0 and up

[hushed leaf]

https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip this one

[quaint jasper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/blenderhelp/comments/qyy4t1/blender_is_running_low_fps_not_the_render_but_the/

Posting this here as I just discovered it, and it was frustrating the fuck out of me for quite a while

[twilit spade]

Hey, I'm trying to install the CATS plugin for Blender, but I get this error when trying to enable it, does anyone know why this could be?

[trail python]

only the dev version of cats works with blender versions 3.0 and up

[trail python]

this link here is what you need (thanks kazin)

[twilit spade]

oh, should I look for an older version of blender?

thanks!

[next ravine]

I sculpted this

now how can I make it look way more optimized and mirrored

For example like this

[quaint jasper]

You would need a remesher of some sort. Either buy QuadRemesh addon for blender, user Zbrush's ZRemesher, or manually retopologize

[next ravine]

Links?

[quaint jasper]

https://exoside.com/quadremesher/

[spiral sigil]

How did u make it all hexagony like that

Did you somehow like snap a flat plane of hexagons to shrink-wrap on ur body

[quaint jasper]

Subdiv modifier

[spiral sigil]

That doesn't explain why there are hexagons with poked faces

That look pushed and pulled

[harsh saddle]

I've also never seen topology like that. Quad remesher is a good start but you might want to add some edge loops around the knees manually so it deforms better.

[spiral sigil]

So curious cuz I can't think of how

[trail python]

i might be wrong but i think thats what happens when you convert a metaball into a mesh thats relatively mid-high poly ish that gets subdivided?

[spiral sigil]

I tried and it's still quads

Very warpy windy quad topo but it's quads

No beehive stuff

[quaint jasper]

Manual subdiv and then subdiv modifier, or any triangulated faces to begin with tends to do that

[spiral sigil]

i got it on an iconsphere

[hushed leaf]

Wow that's quite a pattern

[devout orchid]

ok. Step 1: distribute points on mesh, get mesh normal vector and use it as rotation for instances, blah blah usual stuff. Everything looks fine BUT this setup wont work with shapekeys since points distributed randomly and appear/disaapear when changing shapekey so every plugin to preserve shapekeys wont work - amount of polys must be consistent

Step 2: Set up first geometry node that just creates quads/triangles. I intend to apply that modifier and then surface deform resulting mesh along with the original mesh with shapekeys. So it's supposed to be 'baked' version of random points distribution that is consistent with it's amount/position when doing shapekeys. It's has to be polygons since I need direction as well. For now, seems fine.

Step 3: Set up second geometry node that supposed to use every polygon from previous one as a root for new instance, also inheriting it's rotation. But the rotation is completely fucked. What do I do?

[devout orchid]

Ok, asking right question always helps. Found the answer on a mf reddit. Ended up with this abomination but at least it works and SKkeeper has no problem with it as well

[spiral sigil]

You want shapekeys to change the rotation of the instanced uhh long polygon stuff?

[devout orchid]

Yes, i want it to follow the original mesh (rotation and position) when doing shapekeys. It works for now, dont bother.

[chilly fulcrum]

Got a Vroid model I need help finishing, would anyone mind lending a casual a hand?

[harsh saddle]

We're happy to advise, you're not likely to find someone willing to do it for you without offering payment.

[chilly fulcrum]

I gladly would however I don't have any loose change to spare, I normally do art commissions but lost my drawing tablet due to a break in

[harsh saddle]

Well, if you want to learn how to do it then I guess I'd start with what you're stuck on.

[crystal spruce]

the creature

[harsh saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-tonight-dance-hi-hello-gif-12348205

[crystal spruce]

Epic Rap Battles of Historyyy

Mac Tonight

Versus

Creeesent king

[snow bison]

fr?

[spiral sigil]

Yeah I'm not trolling for once

[muted raven]

Screw it

Robotic Goblin

[spiral sigil]

A Roblin...if you will 😆

[muted raven]

lol

[spiral sigil]

Love the boots/feet/legs thing

[muted raven]

Tanks!

I like em too

[spiral sigil]

Hair is pain, but getting there

I'd love if anyone has any good tut suggestions

So far been working with paths and curves as bevel objects, but if there are other or better methods, I'd love to learn more about others.

[snow bison]

"am i really gonna waste hours of my life to find a scampton avatar?, of course i am!"

[spiral sigil]

I was just trying to be helpful bro

[dim tiger]

the model on the left is the same as the right just after I added more in blender, however now the materials look totally different on one compared to the other....

any ideas why?

[azure rain]

You would assign a separate material to the interior floor so that's it's wood instead of brick

[spring onyx]

Does anyone know the reason why'd there be so many triangles going down this models pant leg?

[devout orchid]

@spring onyx probably it had comletely different texture. you can delete those and then use bridge tool to fill the gaps but would require redoing this part of texture. or a lot of dissolving, could work too

[spring onyx]

ahh I see alrighty then

[spring onyx]

So I was messing around in blender trying out stuff, I unsubdivided my sweater and although it created some of these triangles here It looks like I could be able to clean it up by dissolving and using the knife tool, thoughts on this? would it cause any issues with the model or weight painting (just curious I'd be fine redoing it if needed)

[harsh saddle]

Shouldn't so long as the topology is good. It will mess with existing weight paint but if you mean weight painting you intend to do later then no. You might be able to do select all and then alt + J to do an automatic triangles to quads. Might not fix everything but it could be a good start.

[spring onyx]

Tris to quads did clear some of them but theres still plenty left, but I think honestly I might be able to do this, even the weight painting from just unsubdividing alone seems to be alright, doesn't look theres any major issues around the joints, guess we'll see if it stays that way when I start cleaning it up 😄

[harsh saddle]

It shouldn't destroy your weight paint, you just might have to do a little cleanup where you're doing the dissolving.

[spring onyx]

Yeah that's fair 😄

[haughty cedar]

awwooga

[quaint forum]

@oblique dew

[oblique dew]

ty <w>

[lusty void]

Does anyone know of any decent tutorials regarding mouth topology?

[white moth]

Any idea when importing a FBX blender renames all the blendshapes?
In Unity, blendshapes have prefixes

import the fbx into blender and everything before the last period is gone:

Which breaks all unity animations referencing them when exporting

[noble basalt]

marcus??

[spiral sigil]

Hi

[noble basalt]

cancer

[spiral sigil]

You bought it/free downloaded it off some website yeah?

[noble basalt]

yeah

ran through questtools

[spiral sigil]

Have you tried polytool yet

https://youtu.be/vcx3C4sK0vk

[noble basalt]

no i havent

[spiral sigil]

They have a free version so you can see if it works for you

[noble basalt]

yeah i got it

[spiral sigil]

Tell me how it goes 😁

[noble basalt]

k

the avatar does not like it lmfao

[spiral sigil]

Does it look especially uh jagged and sharp

Lemme see

[noble basalt]

no but it added a random shape between the legs'

[spiral sigil]

Hm

Pic

[noble basalt]

im too tired ima do this another day

[spiral sigil]

Understandable

[noble basalt]

ok i fixed it

no more brain aneurysms

[spiral sigil]

How did you solve your issue?

[harsh saddle]

I've never seen this but it would be hilarious if some best in class character decimator was something that is designed as a VRChat tool.

[spiral sigil]

Meaning it comes with the VRCSDK?

Or just has design specializations that just kinda does stuff better with most avatars people make on vrchat

[harsh saddle]

No, meaning that the tool is designed around VRChat with its settings. Something that could intelligently decimate a character while keeping proper edgeflow would be of tremendous value outside of VRChat but up till now, I've never seen one. Quad remesher can sometimes work okay but it's not going to give you the best topology and Blender's decimator falls apart once you get past a 50% reduction in tris most of the time.

[spiral sigil]

Ooh that would be very nice

I would be very interested to see development of how it can identify different kinds of topology and how to decimate around it

[noble basalt]

ok now when i run the upload program it deletes the quest version of the avatar

[spiral sigil]

This is expected when you are on the free version

[noble basalt]

how do i avoid it

[spiral sigil]

Buy the asset

For saving you time

[noble basalt]

well im done 😐

[spiral sigil]

25usd is going to be around 2-3 hours of work on an inexperienced wage

I think that's a fair price

Your choice if you just want to learn how to manually optimize though

[noble basalt]

ima just keep it on very poor XD

i dont care enough

im keeping it money and effort free as vr should be in the future

[harsh saddle]

Manually decimating a mesh by 2/3rds is not a trivial thing. Though it's usually required if you want really strong topology. Apparently, Polytool's decimater is a modified version of UnityMeshSimplifier but I haven't found good images to see if it can produce animatable topology.

[spiral sigil]

Whatever it is, it seems to be better than just blanket gross decimation

[harsh saddle]

AI is doing crazy things so it could happen. Hopefully, we'll just be able to use prompts to produce full-rigged characters in a year.

[spiral sigil]

I hope the future allows people to spend the least to big companies, and the most to artists

[harsh saddle]

I think the gold standard is quad remesher so I'd be interested to see how that stacks up.

[harsh saddle]

If by artists you mean prompt engineer, then that's probably about right but I should probably save that for #ai-content

[spiral sigil]

I don't know enough about the industry or life as freelancer to know how many previous artists jobs will be replaced

Although imo I think the idea of a game company prioritizing AI art tools just to crank out more and more games as quick as possible for the pursuit of capital is just going to lead to uninspired games

Do u want to talk about this more because I feel this is something where it is especially favorable to gather the largest varieties of perspective on this

[weak ermine]

Anyone know how to fix infinitely small bones in blender?

Like head and tail are on top of each other

[harsh saddle]

Edit mode? Can you not scale them up?

[weak ermine]

If the tail and head are in the exact same position no

It's like trying to scale up a bunch of vertices that are in one coordinate

[harsh saddle]

I though you could plug in the positions of the head and the end using that tool side panel, under item, I think?

Or just increase the length in there, should be able to do that.

[weak ermine]

You can but for every bone at once?

[harsh saddle]

What do you mean every bone at once? You can select a bone and adjust the length in edit mode. You want to do that for all bones simultaneously? Are they all infinitely small?

[weak ermine]

Yep :/

[harsh saddle]

You could try shift selecting and changing the length of all of them but some bones will need to be scaled more than others so I don't see a way to scale every bone in the body properly in a single operation. You might just have to go in an do them all individually. A humanoid only has so many bones unless there are a bunch of other bones and physbones you need to scale so it shouldn't take that long.

If all of your bones are the wrong length, you're pretty much just making a new rig at that point but there's only so much you can do when things are that screwed up.

[trail python]

dunno if its any help but you can scale your bones via individual origin or select individual ones in the outliner

[spiral sigil]

What's the most crazy VFX you guys have been able to pull off for your quest avatars? I ask in context to the shader and particle limitations

Or have u disowned the quest and only cared to develop for the PC for projects like that

[spiral sigil]

I gotta check league VFX

[harsh saddle]

I haven't been able to do anything too fancy, you're pretty limited to a single particle system with the VRChat mobile particle shader if you don't want a very poor performance rating so it's just a question of how fancy you can get with that. Most visually impressive particle systems are the result of layering different systems on top of each other so being limited to 1 is a pretty big limitation.

[spiral sigil]

Let's see if I can cram it into one thang

[latent lily]

So I have been working on a pre-made Model, HotogiAki, and there is an issue with the model. When you walk the breast move and cause a texture stretch where there is no texture, just a grid pattern where the texture should be. I had this Issue with the model before, and I have contacted the author of the model. The told me that they are not going to do anything about it, since it's an older model. Can anyone help me figure out a fix, since I don't know Blender.

[spiral sigil]

Show a video of it

Also you did get the avatar model, textures, and shaders from them right

[harsh saddle]

There may be an issue in Unity if you're using the wrong material but if it's a texture issue, you would need to go into Blender and have a look at the UVs

[latent lily]

That is the old model I was using, but the Issue transfered over when they Update to the Physic system.

[latent lily]

Going to look at the Texture, and Shaders. See if that is causing an Issue.

[hollow ermine]

Currently working on this black cat on the left.

[latent lily]

Yes, I made sure very thing was good.

[latent lily]

I don't know anything about that stuff, I just setup avatars right now. I have not gotten into learning blender yet.

[spiral sigil]

The zipper is gonna be wonky if it's influenced by multiple physics bones

Besides that the model seems fine

[latent lily]

The model is fine, It's mainly the Zipper. that is the only thing that has the tear in like that, everything else is smooth.

I talked with the Model maker and they aren't going to fix anything because it is an Old model.

[spiral sigil]

If you figure out what bones are being used to do the boob physics, you can then remove the weightpaint influence on the zipper

[visual steeple]

does anybody know how to take an asset meant for VrRoid and throw it into Blender? theres this cute asset i need, but it's meant for VrRoid

[visual steeple]

actually, got that working. does anybody know what to do in a situation like this? where there's a base underneath? i just want the hoodie itself, not the model it's attached to

[harsh saddle]

Go into edit mode, hit L when hovering over the hoodie to select all connected faces (you might have to do that a few times if there are disconnected pieces on the hoodie) hit P to separate it from the model. In object mode, delete the body.

[visual steeple]

so im a dumbass and forgot cats can do this for me. i seperated by materials and it got the hoodie clean off. is it better to use cats like i did, or do you suggest the method you provided?

[latent lily]

I'll look into it, But I have no clue how to do that type of stuff.

[harsh saddle]

I've only used Cats a couple times so I'm not really sure how it does what it does. If you just want a hoodie with an armature, my method will work for sure so that might be less risky but I guess you could try and see how it works.

[formal rain]

did you make the whole thing? cause I would totally be down to buy something like that as a base

[solid canyon]

the hair for the avatar im working on keeps importing into unity with backface culling, even tho it clearly doesnt

this is making it so that lighting is reversed, and even flipping normals isnt working to fix it

[jagged moat]

showing backfaces is more of a shader thing and doesn't affect the model itself, you'll have to make sure the normals are facing outwards in blender or use a two sided shader however I'd recommend the first option as it's more performant

@solid canyon

Also make sure the scale is applied before flipping normals

[solid canyon]

may want to double check what i wrote

[jagged moat]

So you've tried having normals in and out?

[solid canyon]

multiple times over the past few hours, yes

[jagged moat]

Strange, so with backface culling on in blender does it look correct?

[solid canyon]

inside of blender, turning backface culling on and off isnt changing how it looks

[jagged moat]

Are you in solid view?

[jagged moat]

You're in material view at the moment which always renders backfaces as far as I know however that box will change what's shown in solid view

[solid canyon]

also isnt changing anything in solid

[jagged moat]

have you tried using this one? I think the one in the material tab has more to do with showing backfaces through transparent materials

[solid canyon]

not that one either

[jagged moat]

Strange, I've never known backface culling not to work in scene view. In solid view does ticking this box highlight the hair in red?

[jagged moat]

huh, yeah the normals look completely fine in blender then. I don't suppose you're accidently importing the wrong model into unity or something like that?

[solid canyon]

not a chance

i was starting to think it was import settings on unity end, but i've messed with every setting here, and nothings worked

[jagged moat]

Unticking weld vertices could do it

bit of a long shot

[solid canyon]

yea, no change

[jagged moat]

Shame, have you tried a merge by distance in blender?

[solid canyon]

also hasnt done anything

[jagged moat]

Also do you have the model in the scene or are you just checking the model thumbnail?

At this point I'm trying to think of anything

[spiral sigil]

Voice model

Noice

[solid canyon]

i ultimately fixed it by just deleting the hair and redo-ing it from scratch, idk what i or the person who did this hair originally did, but the issue has been resolved

[tranquil sierra]

Can someone plz tell me why it's showing a bit of white when i paint over it?

[quaint jasper]

Can you take a video of the issue ? I have no idea what bug you're referring to

[quaint jasper]

What does the hair UVs look like ?

[tranquil sierra]

very small

[quaint jasper]

That's your problem

[tranquil sierra]

Is there a way I could make it big?

[quaint jasper]

You either scale the islands manually with S, or re-unwrap it correctly!

[harsh saddle]

Just throwing on a few seams would probably make things a lot better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6B5PAzlWI\

[tranquil sierra]

I think I broke it 🥲

[harsh saddle]

UV Maps as art is a novel concept but probably not what you want for your needs. Did you try putting in some seams and then just hitting U to unwrap? You might need to ctrl + a in object mode to apply all transforms.

[tranquil sierra]

now it looks like this :>

[harsh saddle]

That's significantly better. I'd try changing the angle after pressing U to perhaps get fewer islands but that looks to be about 1/10th of the islands you had and none are insanely small.

[tranquil sierra]

can someone tell me why it looks like that?

[lilac escarp]

(just a general blender question) anyone know why a part of the model isnt showing up despite its rigging and wireframe appearing (part thats disappearing is outlined + a screenshot of it actually appearing in game) (gonna repost in #avatar-help also)

[spiral sigil]

Probably backfaced normals + blender backface culling enabled in eevee render

[lilac escarp]

i already checked for the backface culling and turned it off but it still isnt showing up (the texture is properly mapped to it also)

[quaint jasper]

Make a new material ?

[lilac escarp]

guess the material was bugging out i just made a new one and it started working again

[spiral sigil]

I think it was because alpha hashed

[cunning veldt]

I split my model in half so i can eventually duplicate and make it symmetrical but im having a problem- sense what i did was merge them i had some things overlapped and i cant get rid of it. i either want to clean it up inside or fill it.
Can someone help me by chance?

[cunning veldt]

can anyone help me? ive looked at so many videos and nothing has helped ;-;

[quaint jasper]

I don't think there are any simple ways do solving this given that you already merged them. I'd suggest going back in your saves before you did this

[cunning veldt]

i dont think i ever saved it, i've been working with the tab open for awhile. though it should have auto saved correct?

[quaint jasper]

Yeah there should be auto saves available, depending on your settings

Good opportunity to learn about properly saving and backing up things

[cunning veldt]

yeahhhh, how do you go back to see previous saves though?

[cunning veldt]

i cant go back- god damn it!

[quaint jasper]

[cunning veldt]

im going to have to restart- ;-;

[cunning veldt]

restarted! :D doing good so far

[tired salmon]

Did Blender remove the Apply Shape Key to Basis option? Or moved it at least?

[quaint jasper]

Isn't that a Cats add-on function?

[dreamy epoch]

Yup, you might want to update CATS. I had the same issue when I updated from 3.4 to 3.5.

[cunning veldt]

Hair is hard

[naive bolt]

Use curve paths and curve circles 👌🏻

[cunning veldt]

how-?

[naive bolt]

https://youtu.be/BqWYgrXw7Jk

[hushed leaf]

You can go into that shape key, edit mode, select everything, then in the vertex menu, Propagate to Shapes

I too remember that being there, and I'm surprised it isn't.

[tired salmon]

Thank you for the response. Only just figured out there was also that way to do it, I hope they bring the button back

[jagged bronze]

could someone help me out? im trying to fix the orientation of the faces, theres an inside and an outside, but the orientations are all wonky and such

[quaint jasper]

Select all, Alt + N, Recalculate Outside

[jagged bronze]

well i did that, all it did was reverse it lmao

did the same as flip i guess

[quaint jasper]

Make sure you have no doubles, and that your object has its scale applied

Hopefully should fix it

[jagged bronze]

doubles?

[quaint jasper]

Overlapping vertices

M > merge by distance

[jagged bronze]

well fuck

i did a extrude thing, i do have like overlapping vertices lmao

[quaint jasper]

Oh, extruding the wrong way would do that yes

[jagged bronze]

ah

yee, its my second model in blender ever so yeee

[quaint jasper]

No worries!

[jagged bronze]

well it fixed it, but now i see this, a spot where light comes through

[quaint jasper]

Dissolve that edge and that should fix it

And any other that don't connect to anything

they create Ngons, and means there can be gaps in your mesh

[jagged bronze]

fuck

[quaint jasper]

You should triangulate your entire mesh

As it is, it's causing a lot of issues

[jagged bronze]

ok

and how do i do that lmao

[quaint jasper]

You select the mesh, and you open the search bar and type triangulate

[jagged bronze]

ok

uhh how do i bring up the search bar

[quaint jasper]

Default is F2 I believe

[jagged bronze]

ok

all that did was rename my object lmfao

[quaint jasper]

F3 ?

[jagged bronze]

found it

[quaint jasper]

You might want to google stuff like that in general, since it depends on keymapping and blender version

[quaint jasper]

[jagged bronze]

i still have overlapping stuff, i did do a merge by distance

if i select a point and move it then i see a second layer under

[quaint jasper]

Given that you made an extrude, that's expected

[thin shadow]

you can view it x-ray mode to see better

[jagged bronze]

how do i xray

[glad steeple]

press Z and move the mouse to the right

[jagged bronze]

ohh wireframe

[ruby rivet]

alt + z also works

[glad steeple]

Yes

Z is a quick shortcut to switch between all view modes

[glad steeple]

Subdivision :-)

[thin shadow]

either wireframe or you can also view x-ray while previewing the material

[jagged bronze]

yee, i started with the basic cube lmao

then did subdivisions and smoothing

[glad steeple]

If you can, avoid subdivision. I think its better to learn the basics first

Subdivision lies to you! and can extrapolate bad decisions in your mesh

[jagged bronze]

ah

well its only my second model, only stuff i have really done in blender is editing

[glad steeple]

Yeah, just generally speaking

[jagged bronze]

well now i just realized how tf am i supposed to make it so it has a collider but you can still walk inside it

[glad steeple]

In unity, use a mesh collider coponent

[jagged bronze]

yee ik but wouldent that make it so you cant walk inside it?

[glad steeple]

Only if its set to "is convex"

otherwise, no.

[jagged bronze]

ok

also, how could i make it like thicker? i used extrude at first but that just fucked stuff up as you can see above, is there any way i can make it like thicker without making overlapping stuff and such?

[glad steeple]

Alt + S can do that, to varying degrees of success

[jagged bronze]

ok

well it did work but the inside faces have no collision

[glad steeple]

chicken nugget

[wild arch]

does anyone know how I could flatten out the facial features so i have eye divots instead of holes and no nose or mouth or eyes but keeping the jawline

[quaint jasper]

Sculpt mode has a flatten brush

[wild arch]

i tried that

it wouldnt really go down

[harsh saddle]

You're going to run into issues turning that topology into something completely different. You can turn on dynotopo but then the topology will be impacted and you would need to retopologize to get something that will work well.

[wild arch]

Do you have any other ideas

Im trying to have the head somewhat match this proportion but its going to have a spiderman like mask on it

[harsh saddle]

Spiderman's mask also doesn't have lips and a mouth so you would need to get rid of those as well. I would probably just subdivide a cube a couple times and alter the shape in sculpt model to go around the head rather than trying to turn this into a superhero mask but you could also cut out the nose and lips and then fill in the hole with flat faces.

[ripe frost]

does anyone know someone id be able to commission for a custom hair asset?

[harsh cosmos]

is this where i put unfinished avatars?

[quaint jasper]

[harsh saddle]

Google VRC Traders, lots of scammers here.

[verbal cove]

Did something happened to Blender?

[trail python]

like what..?

[verbal cove]

I cant update CATS

[harsh saddle]

Think Blender is fine, what version are you using?

[verbal cove]

3.5

[harsh saddle]

I don't know if CATS has caught up to 3.5, you need the development version to event use anything past 2.9 so consider downgrading.

[verbal cove]

How do I do that?

[trail python]

https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip

[winter palm]

Thoughts on my wally darling head>

[carmine turtle]

https://vxtwitter.com/DeadCarl000/status/1647313848771178497

accidentally posted in showcase :P got bonke'd

sorry mods

[ashen nacelle]

WAit, you got bonked for that? lol There were people posting progress work in there too.

Meanwhile: Cheese.
https://gyazo.com/4d33aee5a801537baa5fd48a44f45141

Probably in a current state in which I need assistance with him.

[carmine turtle]

Cheese looking good

🧀

[ashen nacelle]

Thank <3 I just will need help rigging it up - of which I do not do. I just make things. Possibly texture them..

[spiral sigil]

Keep up the work boys and women

[ashen nacelle]

https://gyazo.com/ed31a8170978d04da31e905691f5427e it only took 4 hours. :V

[cursive summit]

It's not nearly as impressive that some of the other creations here, but i've been working on making Bowser Memory M and L from Bowser's Inside story, Luigi is still a WIP but these guys are almost perfectly pixel accurate to the original sprite sheets. They will both have toggles for two hammers (one in each hand), the ability to break into pixels, a defeat animation (like the boss explosions from the game), and the ability to throw one of their hammers like L's OG attack

[warped flicker]

how come im in blender and when i click object mode it doesnt show sculpt mode?

[harsh saddle]

The dropdown doesn't show sculpt mode? Are you sure you have a regular mesh selected? Try creating a cube and see if it shows up for that.

[warped flicker]

nvm i got it now

[latent lily]

How wound I figure that out?

This is what it looks like when I switch to edit.

I am literally learning Blender today, and Have no Idea how to see what bone is used for the Jersey

I've checked the body and the weight paint seems good.

[harsh saddle]

There's a tab on the right that looks like an inverted triangle. If you click into that with the jacket selected and go under vertex groups, you can see all the bones that are weighted to the jacket. If you switch to weight paint mode and go through the various bones, you can check their weights.

[cunning veldt]

I've been having some trouble, my model's mesh somehow is so small that its completely black when i put it on viewport shading. and because of it being so small it makes Blender run quite slow, is there anyway i can remesh it and fix this issue?

[harsh saddle]

Why would you want to remesh it? Just scale it up with the S key and apply the transforms with Ctrl + A. Not sure if that will fix the color issue but scaling doesn't require any real changes to the mesh.

[cunning veldt]

really? i didnt really want to change the scale but okay! thank you

[harsh saddle]

No worries, I think you would want to change the scale. You can scale in Unity too but it's best to just have things at the right scale in Blender.

[cunning veldt]

Even if i scale it the mesh is still small? and makes Blender run very slow

[harsh saddle]

Then scale it more? You might need to make it 100x as big if it's really small. I don't think small things tend to make Blender run slow so that's probably not your issue there. How many triangles does it have?

[cunning veldt]

how do i see how many triangles it has?

[harsh saddle]

Scroll down to "How to Show Statistics in 3D Viewport" https://brandonsdrawings.com/how-to-see-polygon-count-vertex-statistics-in-blender/

[cunning veldt]

this doesnt look good-

[harsh saddle]

Yeah, that'd be your problem.

[cunning veldt]

that is whats making it run so slow

[harsh saddle]

You could try to remesh/decimate but I'd just abandon ship. Unless it's just super unnecessarily subdivided, you're not going to make that model work in VRChat.

[jagged moat]

You want to be aiming for 70,000 tris at most for reference

[harsh saddle]

20k if you want it to be visible on Quest

[cunning veldt]

how do i watch for that? i want it to be good quality and be visable on both pc and quest

[harsh saddle]

So you're looking at a 1/400th reduction if that's the goal, only like 1/100th if it's PC focused.

You can keep the statistics open and use a decimate modifier on it but I doubt it's going to look decent with that drastic of a decimation. You'll also want to turn off the display of the modifier to avoid slowdown. You might try using the unsubdivide option in case someone took a normal model and just threw a 6x subdivide on it. https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/modeling/modifiers/generate/decimate.html

[cunning veldt]

thats- a bit confusing but okay, thank you

[leaden jacinth]

the comprehensive explanation is usually the best

im not sure how else i would say it without missing stuff out

[harsh saddle]

The display options are the options to the right of the name in the modifier. If you disabled them, it won't show the effects of the modifier in the viewport which will keep it from slowing things down as much. Decimate has a few different options for how to simplify your mesh. Collapse is the default and usually the best for models that are designed with high-polygon details in mind. Unsubdivide works better if the model was simpler and someone just threw on a a subdivide modifier which is a tool people use often to smooth low-polygon meshes. You can try both but if it is the case that someone just went ham with the subdivide modifier, unsubdivide will be your best bet.

[cunning veldt]

Does the whole model have to be under 20k?

or each part?

[azure rain]

the whole model

the vrchat Avatar stats system considers the entire Avatar and as if everything was turned on at the same time

[cunning veldt]

how do i keep the model 20k or under??

i want my models to look nice

[azure rain]

learn how to compromise

[jagged moat]

High to low texture baking is a good way to keep details at a lower poly count, might be worth looking at a few vids

[devout orchid]

@cunning veldt cube is nice

gotta love the cubes

[azure rain]

like as an example don't try to put every outfit you want on your avatar on one Avatar

[cunning veldt]

This is what i got so far

[latent lily]

Is there a way to view multiple bones at once?

[devout orchid]

@latent lily dont think so

[jagged moat]

Just note you can shade it smooth to make it look better, think the default key is F1

[azure rain]

and probably a bunch of those Loops could be shaved off

[jagged moat]

However everything can totally come down in polys a lot more yeah

[latent lily]

That is how the Weight Paint is set up. both sides.