avatar-rigging

[lime tiger]

In the tutorial, Kung says to move it up, which I was warning against on the new IK

[digital willow]

is Kung not doing that in the video? I worry I'll forget and then do that then orz

[lime tiger]

still a wonderful tutorial

[digital willow]

ok, I'll try to remember that

[lime tiger]

no because it didn't work when the tutorial was made

[digital willow]

Kung helped me a lot with FBT, I didnt know he was apart of the VRC team at the time orz

but I'll watch that later, now Im trying to add physbones. but progress is slow and havent even gotten to it yet T.T

[lime tiger]

just checking but, your skirt bones are not parented to the hip right?

[digital willow]

thanks, no, a duplicate of it

but

is it optimal to parent it to the top of it?

[lime tiger]

it?

[digital willow]

the cloth, and tail and belt too

[lime tiger]

I mean, you can only parent the tops

[digital willow]

oh

that's why it's flipped

I mean, it's flipped and that's why it's below

[lime tiger]

unity also doesn't even keep track of where the tails are

[digital willow]

and this is still optimal, to have it flipped?

[lime tiger]

shouldn't matter

[digital willow]

cause the spine is parented to the hips

oh... well...

it used to right? I think that's why I did it

[unborn nebula]

did i do something wrong? i dont see the texture

[digital willow]

what did u do?

[unborn nebula]

made an fbx file

and pasted it in unity

blender looks like this

[digital willow]

hm. not sure you should paste it but...

to get the texture on the material you can drag the material on to the mesh in the scene, if the material doesnt have a texture like it looks like for you, then select the material and then select the texture there

[unborn nebula]

that blender or unity?

[digital willow]

Unity

but this is the wrong channel for this I reckon

[unborn nebula]

maybe

neko mind if i call you?

[digital willow]

(yeah, dont. but we're in DM already)

[hallow kelp]

did i import wrong? not sure what happened all i did was import through CATS

this is in the viewport shading mode

[hearty oasis]

try using the "fix model" button

sometimes cats is a little silly and it messes up the textures, but usually if you hit the big "fix model" button it fixes it

if it doesn't then u can usually just spam the button and it will get it right eventually lol

[hallow kelp]

tysm <3

[worn tulip]

are twist bones still the standard? ive seen some people saying you dont need them with new ik?

[broken laurel]

hello i dunno if this is a rigging problem or something else (1st time using unity) but the mesh for the face won't stick with the body 😭 https://puu.sh/J4cYO/4218f900b6.png

[fading verge]

what direction is he facing in blender

[digital willow]

help plis T.T cant unhide bones in edit mode, and it seems impossible to follow the optimal way of putting my spine and hip bone straight, but also in line with the legs which should be in the middle...

I dont know where or if I should compromise

[worthy whale]

anyone have any clue why the model imports like this or how to fix it?

if i press fix model it makes it super big and laying on its back

[sleek isle]

select all the bone in pose mode. then alt + r / alt + g / alt + s

[worthy whale]

when it lays on its back its visemes are broken when i stand it up

like when its laying down the visemes look fine but when i stand it up the visemes are broken

[sleek isle]

should work fine in game

[digital willow]

but I need to understand which is the best orz

It was already working fine enough, but maybe I could improve it or fix some issues

[cursive goblet]

Are shoulder bones required?

[fading verge]

So, I have my model 50% done, But I wanted to know how I make sure the assets (Clothing, Hair ect.) Will stay on her body?

[bronze fern]

Weight paint them onto the body

[bronze fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C7eftpocH0

[fading verge]

I only get these

[bronze fern]

likely because the clothing already has a parent?

[fading verge]

Oh, so what would I do in this instance?

[bronze fern]

its hard to say without knowing exactly whats going on

[fading verge]

Hmm

[bronze fern]

The tutorial above assumes the clothing has no skeleton associated with it i think

[fading verge]

I see

[bronze fern]

i havent rigged this way in a while tbh

[fading verge]

Oh, I'm dumb-

I was clicking the mesh, not armature

[prime sluice]

hey im just started toying with unity/blender, would anybody guess why this happened?

1. i deleted bunch of Bones from the model's face (coz idk how to use it xP)
2. i followed this vid to make visemes by CATS and it worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LcMIyeSnw
3. i havent allocated Eyes/Jaws in that "Assign Bones" menu coz it seemed there was no appropriate Bone

ive encountered bunch of issues so i will re-do everything tomorrow, but i couldnt figure the cause of this "mouth stuck in the air". 🤦

[bronze fern]

You deleted the mouth bones, and by extension deleted the bones the mouth was weight painted to. the mouth is now stuck in its base position because it has no bone telling it what to do

[bronze fern]

in blender youre going to want to select the mouth in weight paint mode and assign it to the head bone

[prime sluice]

thanks for your insight! using weight paint makes it a lot better xD
tho apparently model had inner mouth so it still came out like tongue if i moved my head... but thanks for you now i know the cause, ill figure out how to fix and whats the Bone/Weight etc xD
thank you again 🙏

[fading verge]

trying to rig my base model I made and I have a ton of issues

idk if its just my model, I dont think there is anything wrong with it but its my first time doing it

i followed this video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQnmFkXrllA

modeled my base by following this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEyotqbKZkk&list=PL82qNb3jh5fQY_A40qvDBAGmcuw8_IUBN&index=2&t=88s

[crisp tendon]

The IK is unnecessary ! For the weight painting itself, automatic weight paint should fix all your problems

[fading verge]

So just completely remove the ik components?

[crisp tendon]

Yeah they're not necessary for vrchat

[fading verge]

Alright

Thank you

[fading verge]

is there any way to save the neck to be a child of the upper chest everytime i do it and hit apply as soon as i hit done it reverts to being parented by the chest instead of upper chest and continues to throw the same error

[robust crescent]

neck and upper chest both are on chest? 🔨 ( spine > chest > upper chest > neck )

[sinful wren]

ok so i worked on my avatar for a long time now but it seems like all my bones have just disconnected with its respective meshes at some point during me working on the avatar, do anybody here might know the cause?

[sleek isle]

No armature modifier or the vertex group got deleted

[sinful wren]

basicly cant find all the armatures in pose mode, and i cant move them araound anymore, i can on earlier models tho:/

[dapper moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/923525578760548362/983470029444120607/VRChat_1920x1080_2022-06-06_20-30-39.367.png?width=1202&height=676

does anyone know how to fix some viseme shading problems?

[fading verge]

coming here from 3 modeling channel

[dapper moon]

thanks a lot

although now I know that the problem is not Unity

but the model itself

do you know how to fix the model itself?

would really appreciate some tips

in model I mean the blendshapes

they are correct though

no, I only have 2 materials

one of them is for the glasses

deleting it makes this

separated

maybe this is an old trick

but don't you make different faces for visemes?

removed 10 of them

sure

[digital willow]

anyone know how to show all bones in edit mode? they wont unhide with alt+h!

[broken laurel]

hello thanks for your reply and sorry for responding so late. i checked main armature and even putting the face mesh under the head bone it still wouldn't move w it

i ended up going into blender since that's where the problem seems to be but idk what to do

i added weight to the face mesh since it didn't have any but it still won't move with the body in pose mode https://puu.sh/J4Dn0/f8ad4071d8.png

the CATS fix model feature doesn't change anything

also the rigging looks all messed up compared to videos i saw online 😭

[twin apex]

The mesh of the mouth/teeth moves in line with the bone while the actual jaw barely moves. Weight paint seems not to be the problem. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[fading verge]

ive been experiencing a weird issue with my model , no twist bones from wrist to shoulder, any ideas?

[crisp tendon]

Definitely a weight paint problem. Likely that your jaw is painted to another or many other bones

[sly vine]

Is it possible to create the visemes and eye blind on a character using bones instead of moving the vertices into the position? My avatar is really complicated and I’m wanting to know of an easier way

I’m still fairly new into modeling and rigging and this is my second avatar so I’m wanting to challenge myself with making visemes and eye blink

[sage patio]

@sly vine you can just use bones and pose them to create the shape keys you need

for blinking, you can use bones directly in the avatar descriptor, but not for visemes

[broken laurel]

better picture https://puu.sh/J4KQq/f4b63d843b.png it's the face mesh that isn't parented but idk how to parent it/what to parent it to

https://puu.sh/J4KR3/46854258e9.png this one? i'm not sure how to head weight to bones

oh, yeah, it's in a vertex group with weight=1 on the mesh for the body and the hair

[potent quartz]

How would you guys go about rigging something like this

I obviously don’t want to do cloth modifier

[potent quartz]

It is real

I just made a replica in blender

And now am stuck on how to rig it

Hmmm okay

I’m just scared somehow it’s gonna be crunchy

[sly vine]

I still need to weight paint the bones on the eyes?

[sage patio]

yes

[sly vine]

Ok thank you

[broken laurel]

does anyone know why the rig goes up like that after importing and exporting from blender and then putting the model in unity? (before/after pics)

[hushed solar]

hey! i'm almost done with this avatar, but i've been experiencing some issues with rigging the eyes:

i've been told that the eye bones need to be pointing upwards in order to work properly, and i just fixed that in the past hour or so

now the "looking straight" rotation state looks right without any tweaking, and the eyes are no longer rolled into the back of the model's head in vrchat.

however, now, when i'm not previewing a rotation state, the eyes are rolled into the back of the character's head.

not a major issue, but i'm super curious as to why this is. i feel like it's gonna freak out my client when i give them the unity project files lol

[hushed solar]

oh wow

not sure what happened here, but i started an entirely new unity project and it works fine now

[crisp tendon]

Make sure to apply your bone rolls before export !

[hushed solar]

got it!

one more question!

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/why-dont-these-bones-affect-the-eyelids-in-the-vrchat-sdk/9824

so, i have the eyelids controlled by these bones

the bones are drivers for these shape keys, and the shape keys are affected by the up/down rotation of the bones

[crisp tendon]

Blender drivers are not a thing in Unity

[hushed solar]

however, when i rotate these in any direction, the eyelids do nothing

oh wow ok!

[crisp tendon]

If you wanted a combination of bones and shapekeys for something like this, you wouldn't be using the vrchat blinking system but instead make a custom animation that does what you want

[pliant condor]

How does one weightpaint boobs

I've tried weightpainting them manually, and data transferring weightpainting to other meshes but the results I keep getting is either the mesh weightpainting completely being messed up, re attaching the mesh together would destroy the normals, with no possible way to fix the normals. Whenever I tried to weight paint each one manually as close as possible, everything would clip horribly and all have the wrong amount of physics movement.
any ideas how to weight paint them properly ?

[crisp tendon]

I would suggest going on Booth/Sketchfab/Gumroad and looking at free downloadable models there, you might be able to get a great visual reference that way !

[pliant condor]

I’ll try that thanks

[vital vector]

If I rig something in blender does it transfer to a unity project?

[crisp tendon]

Yes

[vital vector]

Sorry for the ping I just want to know thei before sleeping

Is it better to use the VR Chat SDK rig or to just make your own

[crisp tendon]

Whichever is easier for you !

[twilit drum]

https://i.gyazo.com/5facded4c1f0bbb4a3a256a5d6c04096.png

can somone explain what this means

[sleek isle]

Maya don't export the skinning of one of my model any ideas why?

[round turtle]

not exactly rigging but anyone know where i can get free dances? idunno where to ask this so i figured rigging would do the trick

[vital vector]

What the fuck, has anyone ever had this weird issue

trying to weight paint on blender to completely remove weight in some parts

but it randomly starts adding to other parts as I paint

[stoic zenith]

is your symmetry on by any chance

[vital vector]

yeah

But that doesn't change that

weight painting with 0 in some parts of the mesh will just add weight and in others not

Do you know any way to just

completely clear the weight of all bones

[vital vector]

There we go, now to transform this into VRC avatar

[sinful wren]

wait if an outfit is allready weight painted, does that mean it will be easy to add the bones and fit it to your model?

easier*

[sonic tangle]

absolutely, IF the bones are named exactly the same. Including upper and lower case. If thats the case, you can use CATS plugin to merge both armatures and therefore the outfit will be rightfully rigged in the new armature as well.
You can also rename bones in the outfit if they're not the same, just so they are and you can use this plugin

[sonic tangle]

ps> if it is weight painted, i guess it already has bones so its just about checking the name and merging armatures then

[sinful wren]

well it does not have bones but it has weight painting

was planning to make them myself and then try and fit it to pandas base body

[sonic tangle]

but weight paint has to be attached to bones

i believe you can have bones without painting, but no painting without bones

@sinful wren

[sinful wren]

i guess its the vertex groups that remained and they seem to be weight painted

[crisp tendon]

Vertex groups exist on their own, it's just the fact that bones are related to them if they share the same name

[sinful wren]

hmmmm i see, since the bones are no more, removed them since i wanted to re rig the outfit so i could get it onto pandas base then i noticed it still had the vertex groups from the armature and the vertex groups are weight painted

[vital vector]

Do I need to apply inverse kinematics if I want to make a VR chat rig

[ornate cairn]

no

vrchat takes care of it.

[vital vector]

Ah ok

wait what if my rig doesn't have a knee

[ornate cairn]

by knee u mean lowerleg?

[ornate cairn]

that avatar won't be humanoid

[vital vector]

well dang

So I would have to animate it mannually?

[ornate cairn]

yes since it's generic category

[vital vector]

I mean this works for now at least

[vital vector]

maybe I can adapt this one into a humanoid rig

[elder dirge]

Hey there, I'm having trouble getting the mesh to match the rig when I apply the pose to the resting pose

The rig stays where it's supposed to, but the mesh goes back to it's original resting position

[ornate cairn]

do you use cats plugin to apply rest pose?

[elder dirge]

I don't think so?

Let me try again

OK, I did and it's still doing the same thing

Should I post screenshots?

I'm trying to set the sleeves to match the t-pose

[ornate cairn]

oh that, go to modifiers and mark this in armature modifier

[elder dirge]

I'm so sorry, where is that?

I'm extremely new lol

[ornate cairn]

blue wrench

[elder dirge]

Jesus, thank you haha

AHA

Good lord, I've been troubleshooting that for hours haha

Thank you!

Oh wait. Uhh, that's confusing

[ornate cairn]

if u want it's sleeves data move too u gonna need to rig it and move it sadly

[elder dirge]

Can I just edit it like this?

It seems to be working

[ornate cairn]

u can

[elder dirge]

Neat

[elder dirge]

OK, I'm trying to merge the armature with the avatar but CATS can't fix the model

I'm assuming these just need to be labeled?

[crisp tendon]

yes !

[elder dirge]

I'm actually not sure what needs to be labeled

[elder dirge]

That's the entire tree for the model

[crisp tendon]

These are vertex groups, not bones

[elder dirge]

Sorry

[elder dirge]

OK, I've named them but I'm still getting the same error. So I guess CATS isn't just looking for a specific name

[elder dirge]

This is the official cats folder structure. How can I make the rig match the correct structure?

[elder dirge]

I don't know if this vertical shoulder bone is necessary for a shirt. That's the only extra parent piece that doesn't match CATS' documentation

[crisp tendon]

They are not used no

[elder dirge]

Can I delete just that bone? It's the parent of the shoulder bone

[crisp tendon]

They need to be dissolved then, or the shoulder bones manually reparented to the chest

[crisp tendon]

Are you in edit mode ?

[elder dirge]

I didn't know that was a thing

Ohhh

Sorry, forgive me

There we go, it's parented to the neck

[crisp tendon]

Should be Chest !

[elder dirge]

Uhhh

I don't have a chest

[elder dirge]

Here

[crisp tendon]

That's probably why Cats had some issues

[elder dirge]

OK, "Upper body 2" should be "Chest"

[elder dirge]

Still getting the same error

[crisp tendon]

You have bones above Hips, hips are supposed to be the first bone, make sure to look at the image above

[elder dirge]

OK, hips are parented under root

I don't know what the Center and Groove are for though

[crisp tendon]

Remove everything that isn't required first

[elder dirge]

Like the constraints?

[crisp tendon]

Anything above hips

[elder dirge]

Hips is parent to the root I think. There's nothing ahead of it in order of operation

[crisp tendon]

Can you screenshot your current armature ?

[drowsy ferry]

so uhh, i rigged this model and it looks fine in blender and vrchat but the hands are detached from the arms and connected to the head ingame does anyone know how to fix this?

[crisp tendon]

Remove the root bone

[elder dirge]

I've actually tried but it somehow deleted all the children. I also can't set the hips as their own parent

[crisp tendon]

That's how a root bone works

You also still have two shoulders ?

[elder dirge]

Any time I try to delete any bone it deletes the whole armature

Give me a few, I think I've borked this

I'm going to start fresh. It shouldn't take me long to get back to where I was

[crisp tendon]

In edit mode still, right ?

[elder dirge]

Yes

[crisp tendon]

Can you record a video of it ? I'm intrigued

[elder dirge]

Yeah. I'm hitting the delete key if that sheds any light

[crisp tendon]

Same thing with X ?

[elder dirge]

Well now it just deselects

[crisp tendon]

Do things in the viewport instead

[elder dirge]

Armature is hidden in viewport

I'm not sure how to bring it back lol

[crisp tendon]

Alt + H

[elder dirge]

Tried

[crisp tendon]

I'd recommend any basic rigging tutorial at this point, would be easier for you to start from scratch and learn the commands for the rigging workflow instead of stumbling through it step by step

[elder dirge]

Yeah I've clicked around so much I have to have messed something up

Thank you for your help and patience, I legitimately appreciate it

[crisp tendon]

No worries, if you're still stuck somewhere after watching tutorials, feel free to ping me

[drowsy ferry]

please 😭

[crisp tendon]

Do you have multiple meshes ?

[drowsy ferry]

yeah

[crisp tendon]

Any good reason why ?

[drowsy ferry]

it was made in paint 3d

[crisp tendon]

Oh, sorry, I have no expertise with that software, so I wouldn't know where to begin

[drowsy ferry]

it's really simple, it's just simple meshes like circles and half circles and such and you put them together to create something

i just exported the file into blender

[crisp tendon]

Merging your meshes in blender and then rigging it there before exporting should solve your problems

[stoic zenith]

make sure they are properly parented and listed

seems to me as if your wrist bones are parented to your head bone instead of the forearm bone

[stoic zenith]

just checkign you are making the edits in edit mode yea?

[drowsy ferry]

they are, the hands connect to my view point for some reason

i lowered the view point bc i thought that would've been a problem and it just lowered the hands

at this point i'm prolly just gonna rerig it

[stoic zenith]

sorry i couldnt be of more assitance

[drowsy ferry]

no dw!

[elder dirge]

wat

Why did I get flagged for spam?

Anyway @crisp tendon I just figured out my problem for last night... I was fixing the wrong model. I thought the jacket was causing the errors but it was my character model.... My bad

[crisp tendon]

Glad you figured it out !

[elder dirge]

Me too. I just feel like an idiot haha

[elder dirge]

OK, I think I'm super close, I just need to merge the armatures. Do the names of the arms of the jacket have to match the arms of the character model exactly?

[covert jay]

Is the elastic deform tool or something /some way equivalent in blender 2.79?

[spiral heron]

Hello everyone, I have a problem with my model, I've been seeing why this happens and I can't find a solution, when the avatar stays still the feet are put in this strange position instead of how they should when I walk, can someone help me, Thanks in advance

[ornate cairn]

remove toe bones in rig config

[spiral heron]

thanks I'll take a look

[cyan scarab]

Hello, im currently trying to figure out how to stop my model from deforming in unity using the humanoid rig. i exported it using CATS
it bends just fine in blender but when i import it into unity and go into muscles and settings it goofs up a bit.
1:Blender
2:Unity
Please lmk if this is not enough info

[icy quartz]

im new at riging models

can some find at be good video to watch

to start off my of how ever thing works

[icy quartz]

sorry bubby btw

my bad

[edgy ginkgo]

is there a way to make an avatar perfectly fit you so when you cross your arms then actually cross?

[edgy ginkgo]

like ive tried changing the arm size, and it didnt fix it

[icy quartz]

mesher your irl body

[edgy ginkgo]

sorry, what?

[icy quartz]

Measure your IRL body

Like a tape measure or something that can measure the width of your arms

[icy quartz]

Probably also have the do some work in blender if it's not fixing itself maybe shorten the bones relation them

Just suggestion I'm still learning all this stuff

[fading verge]

Does anyone have any good blender tutorials for bones? I'd like to add bones to clothing I've found online and make them toggleable on a booth avatar in unity

[fallen chasm]

So I've got a slightly deranged question about something I'm not even sure is possible

so by default with just like an Oculus controller and headset, you track your hand and track your head and then VRChat's IK whatever solves for the rest of your body position - more specifically for my purposes, it solves for your arm

I'm tossing around an idea for an avatar that I would like to have 4 arms. Which may already be a terrible bad idea but "Hubris" is my middle name

here's the kicker though - instead of just directly copying the motion of the primary arms onto the secondary arms, I'd like to do something a little like ... this. Have a physbone attached to the hand point, and effectively have a second imaginary hand point at the end of that bone, so another IK chain for another arm can use it as a target. The final effect being that the secondary arm's motion trails behind the primary arm on rapid movements

the question being: is this possible to do in Unity and VRChat at all? Or am I off my rocker

[austere tapir]

I need someone who knows how to weight paint to weight paint a corset for me. Anyone available to help? I can pay.

[fallen chasm]

What do you have, and what do you need it for?

is it to go with a specific model?

[austere tapir]

https://gyazo.com/cae1315f07aa0ec03f8b8eb359e57757

This corset on a model made for VRC

I just suck at weight painting. I need to learn more.

[fallen chasm]

is that in Blender?

and is the body under it already rigged & weight painted?

[austere tapir]

Yes and yes

[fallen chasm]

then weight painting it is like a 30-second task and I'd honestly feel bad taking your money for it

[fallen chasm]

https://youtu.be/bR_Vke__voU try this

[carmine brook]

do they need to be connected or can i leave the offset?

[austere tapir]

I tried doing it myself but its too difficult. Thats why im asking for someone to do it for a little cash.

[carmine brook]

when in game when i have a chest tracker for somereason it brings the chest down

[austere tapir]

Next time i will be using rigged items

[fallen chasm]

Click to select the body
Shift-Click to select the corset as the active object
Go to weight paint mode
From the header menu, select Weights -> Transfer
Set source layer selection option to "by name"

And that's it, you're done. It should take ~8 clicks

[austere tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-plus-disney-sad-sad-eyes-sad-face-gif-15549594

[chilly ferry]

does anyone know why the arms are breaking when exported as fbx (i know the bones are crazy im just trying to move an xps to unity)

[unreal flame]

Are you using blender?

Make sure your vertex group has the same name as the bone you made

[austere tapir]

Bump cuz i still need help

[olive glacier]

if you're just looking for it to follow the body exactly try a mesh data transfer, its simple and will get it to follow the body's weights exactly didnt see someone already suggested this up oops

[sage patio]

completely doable, but you will most likely need to use FinalIK

which is 90$ (45 on sale)

as a janky IK solution, you can try using a physbone chain and an Inside collider to "trap" the end of the chain

[sleek knot]

but i have the avatar mapped

[sleek isle]

Set it to none then back to humanoid

[sleek knot]

i have and it's still doing it

[halcyon dock]

Hello, I have encountered a problem, basically the shoulder/arm is not rigged properly so when t-posing, it looks like this

Then i tried weight painting, and this happens

any clues?

same with the arms btw, the entire model is pretty much appearing twice. Online guides didnt help either

[austere tapir]

Im not familiar with weight painting or data transfer and i heard data transfer can mess stuff up or just not work.

And for someone thats not familiar with any of it i cant process how.

If someone else wants to do it, id be happy to pay them some cash for it. I just cannot process the weight painting portion of it and it seems every person i hand this off too cannot complete the task.

[olive glacier]

i have never encountered any issues using it but create a save before you do it just incase anything happens
https://youtu.be/yr5KRYz5ybs?t=160
looked up a video tutorial that contains how to do it here as blender can be a bit of a nightmare to explain the process to anyone unfamiliar
note that the transfer mesh data option may be under link/transfer data now

[inner cedar]

Can someone help me with setting up a character's 2D face for visemes? I already have a texture sheet, but I'm inexperienced with working with the animator and have ran into more than a few issues with it. If you're able to, I'd appreciate some correspondence through DMs.
This is the characters face:

[unreal flame]

Ok so I got everything working and it looks good! (Other than the green, but thanks to someone here I got a fix for it! :D) BUT! My finger tips be janked, and I already edited the skeleton to reach the tips of the fingers (it wasn't before) and ensured the vertex groups matched the bone, but the tips are are still going straight up instead following form like shown in unity and blender :v

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/pucevAJo46.png

I tested the bones in the blender and the tips are tracking right 🤔

Everything is working except my finger tips xD

[unreal flame]

This is currently what I am dealing with: https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/fUDaxOyu34.png

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/QINogupi88.png

unity is showing correct mappying for problematic bone

[sage patio]

bone mapping isn't the issue, your weight painting is

[unreal flame]

oh of course!

I had to fix the weights with the eyes...

why didnt it click earlier x3

[sage patio]

also

don't move bones

rotate them

[unreal flame]

aye, I do rotate, but sometime sI do it like that and hit ctrl Z

[unreal flame]

hmmm, in blender it shows as 1.0 for weight

[sage patio]

your weights probably are not normalized

[unreal flame]

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/xUcAjEso19.png

could this be dping it?

apparently unity has the bones set to do this :v

[sage patio]

every vertex can belong to more than one group, that's how you can make something bend smoothly. however, the weights to all the groups a vertex belongs to should add up to 1, no more, no less

[sage patio]

no, that is normal

[unreal flame]

ok

[sage patio]

that is the relative position/rotation to the parent bone

[unreal flame]

ahhhh ok

So i gotta run it through blender one more time and hit the normalize all?

or just normalize?

[sage patio]

normalize all

you will most likely need to touch up weight painting after that

[unreal flame]

Ight I'll try that out and see what's what

[unreal flame]

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/ciFEvUle86.png

still doing it

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/sAhiMEJO12.png

if i paint it, it stays red

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/vETocoGu63.png

my thumb_1 actually has color to it 🤔

[unreal flame]

im not sure why the finger tips are acting that way x.x

[fading verge]

uhhhhh i could try and help in dms later after im done eating

cause ive done this befroe

you wont be able to use it as fallback though

[sage patio]

make sure you have Auto normalize enabled in the Options menu in the top right of the viewport when in weight painting mode

[unreal flame]

I finally got it!

https://scrnshot.app/SOjo2/VuVEtUha33.png

[inner cedar]

Problem is I need to be able to use it for the Oculus Quest, as it's an agreement on the commission I'm doing. Thanks for the offer!

[fading verge]

this message is really weird to me

i dont know whether i should reply or not

[jagged token]

I need help rigging a new arm to my avatar, if someone could tell me how to do it while I screenshare that would be preferred but I’ll take any help

[serene raft]

mate i am having a hard time with my avatar

the view wont center

like im not looking out the center of the character

[sage patio]

did you set the viewpoint position in the avatar descriptor

make sure you have Gizmos enabled to see the gray sphere where the viewpoint is

[serene raft]

i did, I even tried to offset it, nothing worked

[sage patio]

check to see if there is a Camera component on your avatar

there should not be one

it's fine to have a Main camera in the scene, but there should not be any cameras in your model

[serene raft]

I do not see a camera in unity

[sage patio]

type this into the search bar in the hierarchy t:Camera

[serene raft]

not there

[sage patio]

can you click on the Armature object in your hierarchy, and screenshot the inspector window

[serene raft]

you'll have to give me a moment i reloaded unity and the SDK is acting up

i think I had the viewport on the wrong spot for a split moment and when I tried something different to put it on the right spot, the SDK wont work so I can't even test it

[serene raft]

Here is the problem I am getting, if I put the SDK descriptor on the armature, which is what im assuming you're asking

it throws an error for "no animator script"

but if I put one there it messes up the whole thing

but anyway

i clicked on armature and this is what the inspector looks like

now i need to swap back to windows to see why the support is no longer there

i donno why but now it's no longer supported for windows

[sage patio]

no, you are supposed to put your descriptor on the root of the avatar, not the armature

I asked to see the inspector for the Armature to see if the position was anything other than 0

also, remove the pipeline manager component from your armature

[serene raft]

aight it's gone

still not centered

[jagged token]

If rigging is like bones I need help in blender :(((((

[fading verge]

why does this happen

[sleek isle]

No armature component on the mesh?

[fading verge]

there is

[sleek isle]

No armature assign?

The correct one?

[fading verge]

what

[sleek isle]

If yes then you have no vertex group weight paint on the hand that matches the bone name

[fading verge]

symmitrize doesnt work either

[fading verge]

Its fine in the rest position

but in the pose position it isnt

[sleek isle]

It's should follow the bone regardless

[rain ocean]

is this about right?

[crisp tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377176391667417090/984212147317923890/unknown.png

Too many spine/leg bones

[mystic root]

might be a really weird question, but is there a way to move where rigging is with a shape key?

[rain ocean]

Somethin goin funky with my bones, whudido wrong?

[unreal flame]

is that for the tail?

[rain ocean]

i guess?

[unreal flame]

I have my tail root parented but not connected to the pelvis

[rain ocean]

oh, derp

[dreamy robin]

@fading verge you need to move the armuture in post mode and not edit mode

[hushed solar]

really quick question:

why does this folder look like this?

in unity, it's empty

oh wow i'm dumb

[torpid rover]

It’s because it’s empty

[hushed solar]

it really is empty lol

SORRY wrong folder

[rain ocean]

i learned parent hood today

i mean parenting

minds flayed

[serene raft]

well it's centered

but why is he standing like that lmao

[silver oriole]

Anyone here able to help me with this? I tried watching a video of weight paitning, but im still confused and don't know waht to do. And only corners seem to want to work where I click for some reason

[fading verge]

you have to assign vertexes to vertex groups them paint bones to those vertex groups

[silver oriole]

You mena something like this?

I already have vertex groups, the paitning doesnt work only I click on corners for some reason

[fading verge]

you might not have a lot of geometry to work with

what does your mesh look like?

[silver oriole]

How do I check that?

Its a minecraft character, so its minecraft dimensions

[signal python]

My rig is affecting a part of the mesh that isn’t even weight painted, anyone know a fix to this?

Tooth moves despite it not being weight painted

[rotund kraken]

id separate the tooth/teeth from the body and then wipe the vertex groups from that mesh, rejoin it back together again after weight painting the body

[signal python]

I got another rig I made myself that does work, it has all the right bones but they aren’t named correctly and are all joined together. Can I make it work instead of this one if I just fix names?

I can show you what it looks like

I’m not sure how I’d separate the tooth or the head without messing something up since it has a lot of vertices

[rotund kraken]

a model that small shouldnt have a lot, but uhhh edit mode then just L the teeth

[signal python]

It doesn’t have above 30,000

[signal python]

@rotund kraken still having the same issues despite separating

Should I separate head and body?

[rain ocean]

finished my avatar ill showcase it tm-er later today

[fading verge]

Weight paint it to the head

[vital vector]

you see, Minecraft characters do not have elbows, if you want to have elbows to be compatible you will need to create some extra geometry in the middle of the arm

so it can bend smoothly

[signal python]

I tried doing that but it’s not really working, I might need someone to go in and look at the model themself

[fading verge]

select the tooth

select every bone

and remove any weight paint that the tooth has on any bone

and then select the tooth

and weight paint it to the head

[signal python]

@fading verge I have the teeth as separate meshes, should I rejoin them?

[fading verge]

yes

[vital vector]

Yo did anyone have a weird issue on blender

I which random vertex will refuse to be weight painted

Even tho they are selected and part of the vertex group correspondent to the bone

[vital vector]

Since youre on blender, the sure fire way to clean up random weights is to
1.go on edit mode
2.select the entire mesh
3.click on the vertex group on the list and remove
4.reassign the correspondent vertices you want to that group

Make sure to avoid grouping vertex that are on other groups or regions, that will easily create a mess I found out

[glad bluff]

How could I merge these two bone strings into a single string?

[upper yoke]

I would just delete one and scoot the other over, also you can probably get away with wayyy less bones at the top of the dress.

Does anyone know how to adjust the step length and get rid of the snapping around the torso and knees?

https://streamable.com/niba38

Also, the avatar stops standing over their center of mass after turning a bunch 🤔

[fading verge]

looks like they're working as good as they can there, you should probably add bends around the elbows

(ctrl r in edit mode over the mesh then move it roughyl wghere the elbows are

[vital vector]

Uhh, having some weird issues rn, some random vertices cannot be weight painted anything but 1.0 in Blender

the selected vertex cannot be weight painted anything but 1.0

[crisp tendon]

Normalize your weights ?

[vital vector]

even drawing over it with a weight of 0 will just set it to 1.0

aight

what does that do

[crisp tendon]

Makes sure that all weights on a vertex amount to 1

[vital vector]

that did nothing

still can't paint over it

I can set it mannually through here for some reason

[crisp tendon]

Did you restart blender or reimported your fbx ?

[vital vector]

It's an OBJ and I opened the project now

I don't wanna reimport it because that would require me remapping the vertex groups

[idle shell]

I am having a kinda of weird issue were my avatar's hands Stretch and squish in VRChat when moving them around, is it my rig/weight painting or something in Unity?

[ornate cairn]

if they change size it means some bone could have weight on the hand mesh that shouldn't

[idle shell]

I'll go over my weight painting one more time and see if maybe I overlooked something.

here is an example of what I meant (sorry about the dark room, was just for a quick test of the rig and didn't expect to run into this issue lol)

Also going over my weight painting and nothing seems to be interacting with the hand or fingers other than the bones weight themselves.

[rotund kraken]

if weights are correct, all i can tell so far is that you have an excess thumb bone

[idle shell]

I'll double check that and see if maybe that is the issue

seems good in Unity all 3 bones accounted for

and Blender of course to show that aswel

[rotund kraken]

hm weird

[idle shell]

Yea, maybe it's cause I messed with things in Pose mode to get the body proportions better?

[rotund kraken]

it might be, yeah

pose mode isnt representative of what will be in game

need to either apply your pose as your rest pose through cats or clear the transforms

[idle shell]

hmhmm, gonna try both options and see what comes from it

[rotund kraken]

rigging is my bane so these arent guarantees but it might be worth it to tinker around

[idle shell]

Oooo-kay so using CATS pose mode reset the stuff I had previously got to the point I wanted proportion wise.

[rotund kraken]

this is the only button i use

i don't use cats to go into pose mode or anything

[idle shell]

Same here really, first time I really clicked it

[rotund kraken]

its known for screwing things up like that but blenders default "apply pose as rest pose" doesn't do what it says lol

if you're redoing your proportions, id save it as a pose in the pose library

just in case

[idle shell]

already have yee, so now the Pose and the Rest Pose are the same, applied any transforms, gonna test it in a bit

[ornate cairn]

u tried default playable layers just to be sure they aren't cause?

[idle shell]

Could you explain that one to me? I am not sure what you mean

[ornate cairn]

they are in your avatar descriptor

[idle shell]

Oh, everything there is default right now, I haven't touched it

[idle shell]

Aight, My issue is fixed Thanks @ornate cairn and @rotund kraken I was really stuck on this one, you guys helped me out a bunch ^^

[ornate cairn]

what was cause?

[idle shell]

Seems it might have just been a applying transforms issue combined with the Rest Pose not being set properly, thus the whole CATS screwing things over part for the proportions. In short was way easier to fix than I thought it would be

[vital vector]

Yo, I just need to know if this rig is compatible with SDK 3, if anyone could tell would help out a lot
(it only has 3 fingers per hand)

[crisp tendon]

SDK3 doesn't even need fingers iirc

[fading verge]

can someone help me with this rig, iv gotten some files from a game iv played and i believe iv rigged it, but im unsure what to do now. iv tried watching guides but none of them helped

[crisp tendon]

"This rig" ?

[fading verge]

should i send it to you in a photo? or can i share the blend file

[crisp tendon]

Can't you just post the image here ?

[winter heart]

I'm onto optimizing this avatar, and in blender I deleted basically all the hair bones to get it down to good, but when I crouch select pieces of the hair stretch out
I want the avatar to be good rated but how do I prevent this stretching?

[crisp tendon]

Weight paint that hair mesh to the remaining bone

[winter heart]

gotcha

[loud iron]

Where do I find someone that does rigging service? I have model ready blender

[vital vector]

By any chance does anyone know how set a rig to T-pose, I keep getting the warning "character is not in Tpose" because of the weird fingers of this Model

[crisp tendon]

Scroll down the right page, there's a Force T-Pose option

[sleek isle]

Don't matter for the finger. I often rotate the thumb since it scuffed most of the time for index user.

And create custom pose for each gesture

[fading verge]

Feet

[vital vector]

there it is

[vital vector]

the subsequent lack there of

[vital vector]

sorry for bothering again, this model was rigged for the 3DS but here says
"Spine1 is not a child of Hips" when in it clearly says here it is

(Unity screenshot 1)
(Blender screenshot 2)

[stoic zenith]

check and see if their is a spine or spine 0

[vital vector]

there is no spine 0

as far as I can tell

[serene raft]

i have no idea

what happened with the arms

it just randomly went BRRT when i was fixing neck weight-painting

in edit mode it's perfectly normal tho

[crisp tendon]

What does your neck weight painting look like ?

[crisp tendon]

Are all the other bones correct as well ?

[serene raft]

which other bones do you think could be affecting it?

I donno why it's just I was fixing the neck weight so the collar wouldn't go WEEEE and then this arm just went brrt and i didn't even notice

[crisp tendon]

Hard to know for sure, did you do any other operation aside from weight painting ?

You can just scroll down the vertex group list

[serene raft]

nah it only messed up during weight painting

i was assigning eyes before that

it could be spine2 maybe

[crisp tendon]

Yeah, definitely is

[serene raft]

now when it comes to lipsync

what's the jaw bone

is it just a bone for the chin part or something

[crisp tendon]

Lip sync != visemes

Do you just want up and down jaw movement when you talk ?

[serene raft]

well eventually I wanna be able to give him expressions because people get freaked out by a dead face 😂

[crisp tendon]

Model doesn't have any visemes ?

If so, yeah you just need a jaw bone, one that is weight painted in a way that opens the mouth when rotating it down

[serene raft]

the only thing on the model are an eye bone for each eye haha

oof

i did auto-fix on something and now the sdk is like "bye"

oop got it back

Next problem with rigging cause I'm tired

what is going on with this neck extending when I crouch and crawl

[fading verge]

Anyone familiar with the hair bones being out of place from the avatar itself when emoting or picking up an object? I don't sending screenshots if asked about it! ;D

[void surge]

hello i have a question how does the shoulder bone behave when the avatar stands with arms down? if i do the avatar in T-pose should it be straight? the problem is that i don't want this bone to go down when the arms are down

[devout lantern]

Are the avatar dynamics example avatars posted anywhere for testing?

https://i.gyazo.com/4f295b694951012ca9a043c463ef5c3a.mp4

i'm wracking my brain trying to figure out how the POV offset works

[inner cedar]

I'm using the Viseme parameter to animate mouth flaps on this character model. I've capitalized the parameter correctly, set conditions marking the entry and exit from the different animation states as well as the animations (which are all the same except for the silence). I'm wondering what else I might be missing that's preventing the mouth from flapping when the character speaks.

[noble isle]

Hi! I am making a model of a Mega Man-inspired avatar with toggleable arm cannons and I am trying to hide the hand mesh with blendshapes. Problem is, the rig is spaghettifying the hand mesh when it'd supposed to be hidden, no matter how small I make it or where I put it, even when it's scaled down to 0 in Blender. Is there a way to fix this? I'm looking for a Quest-optimized solution.

[ionic compass]

I admittedly don't have much experience with the quest side of things, but is it possible to scale the hand bone down to 0?

or does the hand still need to be visible for some reason?

[noble isle]

uuh idk I'm handling this with the FX layer so I thought I couldn't really do anything with the bones, although I think I can probably do that on another layer?

I probably need to recheck what I can and can't do with toggles

[ionic compass]

I think you can do scaling with the FX layer, transforms and rotations are for gestures (?) I think. If scaling it doesn't work on FX, just do the anim on the Gesture layer.
... if quest supports that????

[noble isle]

I reckon it does

thank you I'm going to try it out

[ionic compass]

no prob! lmk how it goes. I'm not sure how well vrchat reacts to scaling / transforming the bones it uses for IK anims

[noble isle]

yeah this isn't really working out

at least I can't figure out how to animate the hand bone scaling down

probably doing something wrong, I'm still trying to mess around with blend shapes stuff but to no avail

[whole tusk]

so i have a avatar with digi rigging and trying to use the digi bones as humanoid bones (for the purpose of having digi on pc but humanoid on quest due to not having access to constraints on quest without having to have 2 armatures) i've noticed in-game that i'm getting odd rotations at the waist when walking to the side, i assume this causes that issue?

[ionic compass]

Clone the model (you should do this anyway when you're animating, have a dummy-model for animating and the one you upload and put the anims on)
Turn on the record animation button (the big red button on the animator) and find your hand bone, set it's scale in x y and z to 0, stop recording the animation

[noble isle]

I did that but it keeps resetting the scale value to 1

[ionic compass]

Is it only 1 frame?

[noble isle]

yeah

[ionic compass]

maybe you can't animate the main armature bones. weird. uh

Does the animation even play at all or does it not work? And does the animation not work, or does it work but it doesn't work with the toggle?

[ionic compass]

oh silly question - did you set the button in the menu to a toggle or a button? lol

[noble isle]

toggle

the blendshape animation works, I just need it to instantly toggle from the hand anim state to the arm cannon anim state really

it's just the hand mesh that's bothering me, I can't resize it because the hand bones affect the mesh so it goes all over the place

[ionic compass]

Don't know the limits of quest avatars, but could you separate out the mesh in blender and have 2 meshes on the avatar? and just toggle it's visibility?

[noble isle]

I want to avoid that, I want a singular mesh for compatibility's sake

[ionic compass]

But is that supported on quest?

[noble isle]

yeah I think you can have up to like three or four separate meshes but it heavily impacts the performance rating

[ionic compass]

I'm really not sure why the blendshape thing isn't working also. Maybe another blendshape is trying to reset the hand to the default?

[ionic compass]

Well I'm moreso asking if it's something that would still make it work on quest. It may be a part you have to separate to make it work, if other options don't work.

[noble isle]

truth is that I also want to make the avatar compatible as a fallback but I might have to bite the bullet and forget about that

[ionic compass]

Well yeah that's fine, I'm just unfamiliar with how quest stuff works and don't know more than 1 mesh = immediately not quest compatible

scaling the entire hand to 0 with a blendshape should completely hide it, or at least make it extremely hard to discern

did you scale it with alt S or just S?

[noble isle]

S, alt S just doesn't work, there's always some vertices sticking out

[ionic compass]

Did you scale the entire thing down into the wrist?

[whole tusk]

the bones still affect verts even when the verts are scaled down to 0 so you'd have to scale down the bones, which i don't think you can do with humanoid bone

[ionic compass]

But if it's scaled to zero, doesn't it... practically... hm.

I know the mesh is still affected by the bones, but I didn't think they'd stretch out to match the bones?

I don't think weights override blendshapes?

[whole tusk]

weights do in a way

vertices are weighted to bones, if those bones move in any way the vertices will move with them, regardless if a blenshape is active

[ionic compass]

Well yeah, but in the screenshot they posted it looked as if they were stretching out to match the proportions of the bone

which is odd, unless they scaled down each individual section of the hand instead of all of it all together

[whole tusk]

from what i remember there is no proper way around that issue, but i might be wrong

[ionic compass]

oh, huh.

that's. not the behavior i expected.

[whole tusk]

yeah

it's wack

[ionic compass]

the only other option i can think of is an alpha mask

but idk of quest supports that either.

[whole tusk]

quest does not support it sadly

for quest the only options for weighted areas like hands is having them as a separate mesh

[ionic compass]

But does that disqualify the mesh for being quest compatible?

They seem to think it does

[whole tusk]

is still allowed on quest

just not fallback compatible

2 different things

[ionic compass]

I kind of fell off of vrchat once dynamic bones got auto-converted so I need to do some catching up

baby rage of having to learn a new system has subsided so now i need to learn a whole buncha new stuff

[whole tusk]

haha

shouldn't be to difficult

got used to it within like a day

[ionic compass]

I can't figure out how to make things flare out when an avatar spins like with dynamic bones but I'll get there eventually

[whole tusk]

flare out?

[ionic compass]

I have a video of an example-

[whole tusk]

do send, i'm curios what you mean by that

[ionic compass]

This counts as avatar rigging because this is rigging i did!

its relevant!

[whole tusk]

haha

[ionic compass]

It's hard to find videos / mmd worlds that feature a lot of (well animated) spins

but

https://i.gyazo.com/bab0145da4a01b3cc47b0c3bcaa066a7.mp4

Very proud of how this looked with dynamic bones, it''s hard to replicate with physbones for me rn.

Physbones kind of tend to compress in on themselves

Different math under the hood I kind of am not a fan of

I'm sure I could kind of try and replicate it with angle constraints but I'm annoying and like to try and keep stuff as unrestricted as possible

[whole tusk]

you can try to also just use the auto-convert tool within the sdk to see how close that gets you

[ionic compass]

It wasn't very close.

[whole tusk]

since conversion in-game and in unity are not fully the same

[ionic compass]

they're not? 👁️

worm????

[whole tusk]

from what i've noticed they aren't

[ionic compass]

about the only thing ive seen auto convert really well is one of my avatar's hair

[whole tusk]

i had a tail that was very shaky in game, not like it was before but when i used the auto-converter within unity it seemed a lot more accurate to what it was before with dynamic bones

[whole tusk]

but i shall go now, i gotta do some testing with my avatar in vr, want to see if the same happens in vr

[ionic compass]

Ah! was gonna send you a vid rq

[whole tusk]

sure

[ionic compass]

these were dynamic bones - https://i.gyazo.com/12519ba87c4a4b352d380cc70b75e143.mp4

and this is the auto conversion with a tiiiiiny bit of tweaking - https://i.gyazo.com/1b3836fdeb18ab65a785893e90d59bb0.mp4

I could probably add a bit of stiffness (?) to them but i think they converted nicely, and the improved collision is definitely a big +

[whole tusk]

pretty close yeah

[ionic compass]

the behavior is not drastically different or even that bad looking.

But yeah go test your avatar, i have no idea what could be wrong with it aside from the longe boye foot bone

for digi legs, i tend to just ignore the digi ankle and put it where the ball of the foot would be for vrchat's sake

not the vrchat team acknowledging my unoptomized avatar 💀

there's only 2-3 bones per section I swear!

[tardy oxide]

im having an issue where in blender everything works fine but in unity there is a part of the sweater stuck to the hair and i dont know why

[hybrid cloak]

Phys bones might be connected

[tardy oxide]

whats weird is it doesnt move with the physbones

it stays in the same place

[hybrid cloak]

huh That is weird I dont know

[ionic compass]

It could be an empty vertex group that gets weighted when you export the model?

Assuming its from the armature modifier being applied

It's weighted to something on the head or neck

could be eyes, jaw, any extra bones from the neck up

[winter heart]

I merged the head base to the body base but the armature that's right around the eyes is still separate
I assume that if I want eye movement then I need to combine it onto the body's armature, but idk how to do that so tips would help

nvm actually I think I managed to big brain it by poking around the cats plugin

[hasty vine]

its the weight paint

[tardy oxide]

if you look at the first screenshot i showed that in blender it doesnt happen

[hasty vine]

go to blender go to pose mode, select head bone press g and move away from body see if sweater moves

or check the weighpaint iteself to armatures click the armature, shift click mesh, then go through the bones to see if anyuthing is weightpainted

and that its weighpainted properly

[tardy oxide]

its only happening in unity/ingame

[hasty vine]

i dont know the only reason i know it would do that is a weight painting issue maybe repaint it?

clear and reweightpaint

[ionic compass]

do that with the neck also. go into the armature and deselect "connected" on the parent bone to the chest, just for the sake of testing it.

It's seriously some sort of weight painting issue

[ionic compass]

You can even see it happening in this screenshot, I'm not entirely sure what bone it's getting weights added to here though.

Maybe go through the vertex groups on the sweater and see if there's anything that shows up in that area specifically?

[serene rover]

My avatar's head won't move/follow my view... While looking up the head stay looking straight... Anyone know how to fix it?

[sage patio]

make sure you never add Physbone components directly on humanoid bones

like the head, chest, arms, etc

[serene rover]

Oh..... That's probably why, all my hair bones are child of Head bone. Thank you very much, I will fix it right now!

[sage patio]

best way to fix is to add an extra bone to act as the root for all the hair

then you can just add your physbone component to that bone

[serene rover]

Do I have to manually copy those VRC components on each bones every time after I import a new model into unity?(After fixing the model in blender)

[sage patio]

no, just override the FBX in your unity project

and unity will take care of reimporting it

[serene rover]

Oh....

[sage patio]

this will work as long as you never unpack the avatar

which you should not be doing anyways

if you did, drag the fbx into your scene again and use Pumkin's tools to copy all of your components from your old model

[serene rover]

How to override the FBX? I tried right click then select reimport but it doesn't work... And I drag and drop the same FBX into unity but it create a new version of it...

[sage patio]

@serene rover either through the file explorer, or directly exporting from blender to where the FBX is located in your unity project

unity should realize the change immediately (after avatar finishes exporting)

[serene rover]

You're right. I should just export it directly into unity project folder.

OMG!! It fixed!! You are a GOD

[nocturne sleet]

my hand looks kinda scuffed in-game when moving the fingers and stuff, and even standing still the fourth finger looks kinda glitchy, is there an easy way to fix the hands' weight painting?

I'm guessing the third bones should touch the tips of the fingers?

and the bone rotations should also be rotated in a logical way?

damn I should probably add some additional loop cuts too

okay yeah now that I'm observing more compared to the arm this hand is very weird

[serene rover]

I'm not a expert but my suggestion is you add some edge loops around the knuckles/joints area.

Or just select nearby edge loops then edge slide them so that when you bend your finger you would have more polygons to support the deformation.

And yes, the new one is definitely better.

[nocturne sleet]

yeah that's what I'm doing right now, still wip

[tacit hill]

heya, can anyone tell me if i can change the origin point of my model in unity?

saw this on reddit but cant find it

[sage patio]

you should really be doing that in blender

[tacit hill]

rip :/

i did

and it was still floating

i followed a guys help in #user-support-old

and it still was floating after i ported to unity

[sage patio]

show what it looks like in blender

[sage patio]

did you export the FBX and import the new version in unity?

[tacit hill]

yer

and it was still floating

[sage patio]

did you override the FBX or did you import as a new file

[tacit hill]

i made a whole new project

set it to 0 0 0 and everything

[sage patio]

I don't see your armature in the blender screenshot, can you show it and take another screenshot

and also, don't crop your screenshot

[tacit hill]

how do i view that again?

[median sparrow]

I need help with something could anyone help me

[sly vine]

did I rig this right? I am asking because whenever I try and test it in vrchat the arms do this

btw I have my actual arms all the way down but for some reason the avatars arms won't go down

I have tried rerigging and reweight painting it

[sly vine]

can someone please help me fix this issue

[crisp tendon]

Everything moves as expected in pose mode ?

[sly vine]

Yep

Like honestly I’m about to just give up on it completely

I am honestly willing to give this to someone to see if they can fix it cause I can't

[sly vine]

It looks right when I play on pc but it still doesn't look right on vr T-T

[crisp tendon]

Same thing if you just drop your controllers on the ground ?

[sly vine]

If I put the controllers on the ground the arms look normal

[crisp tendon]

That might just be an issue of proportion then, given how large the head is

[sly vine]

but aren't there avatars that have similar proportions and are working?

[crisp tendon]

Hard to know without knowing about your height settings and hardware !

[fierce grail]

Usually these kind of avatars have viewpoint at nose or lower.

Instead of at eye height

[fading verge]

Had a large question about how to optimize rigging. Since it was solved in another channel, edited this post to minimize it. Essentially:
How to use a single bone to control a mesh that's weight painted to an armature, to scale the mesh thereby making a bone on/off toggle.
Because bones are less laggy than shapekeys/meshes.
Only Blender Object Constraints could force the bone to ignore the armature's movements while allowing scaling, thereby not interfering with the armature's control of the mesh. Problem is, Unity no like Object Constraints.
Solution:
<#avatar-optimization message>

[brisk terrace]

Ive nitice recently that the new ik made it so most of the models i try have arms reach max lenghts a lot sooner than what the real arm are. That wasnt the case before.

[soft heron]

Not sure if right place... Im trying to fix an issue where the visemes seem to be affecting other parts of the avatar (hands,clothing), not sure how to fix this. If anyone is experienced with Avatar visemes, some guidance would be much appreciated.

[crisp tendon]

You'd have to fix those visemes specific vertices by using the "blend from shape" function targeting your basis

[sleek isle]

"propagate shape key" on all the vertex of the body that shouldn't be moving by those. Be sure to be on the base

[soft heron]

il look into that, thanks

[soft heron]

problem with that is some of the shapes are used to hide shirt etc..

[serene rover]

Anyone have the mobile version of avatar performance ranking charts or links? Can only find the tips...

[rotund kraken]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[hearty creek]

Anyone knows how the bones hierarchy must be? I'm having the LowerLeg is not first child of UpperLeg or Foot is not first child of LowerLeg: you may have problems with Shin rotations. and I don't know which bones are parents or child of each other

[serene rover]

Thank yo very much! Did try to googl it but I totally miss it I guess...

[rotund kraken]

yeh np gamer

[serene rover]

Do you add any child bones for the upperleg for physbones or something like that?

[hearty creek]

Yeah, for the skirt

[serene rover]

Wait a second, I did encounter the same issue yesterday...

[hearty creek]

Thank you!

[robust crescent]

rotation can be wierd if you have that , often safe to ignore - easy to sort your bone order with a script in unity - does not break prefab -

[devout lantern]

Hey Guys, How am I able to move the entire avatar using the avatar dynamics system? I saw in the example world theres an avatar that can "fly" by moving its hands apart, but i haven't seen any other avatar that does this

There was also a menu button that locked the feet and prevented movement using the joystick that I'm invested in as well

[hybrid cloak]

how do you extrude bones

im pressing alt+e but it wont work

[rotund kraken]

its just e in blender

[nocturne sleet]

In Blender (bottom) it looks fine, but when Unity (top) tries to T-pose it, it messes it up.
How can I fix it effectively and precisely? 🤔

[weary rivet]

why mixamo?

[sleek isle]

Go in edit mode on the armature then scale du bone down with the origin point of pivot for the transform. It's an option on the top or bottom of your screen

Maybe the cat plugin will resize them when using the fix

[nocturne sleet]

nah, doesn't seem like it's the problem, Unity doesn't consider bone tails

[nocturne sleet]

So I've managed to fix the hand issues using CATS' fix model, but in exchange it messed up my eyes, and they appear inside of the head all deformed and bundled up instead of where they should be. Thing is: in Blender all is fine, it's only when importing in Unity that it's messed up.

Any idea?

[restive zinc]

I'm thinking of adding a togglable motorcyle to my avatar to ride, would it be possible to rig the wheels into rotating when I start walking?

[crisp tendon]

Sure, that just need to be part of your blendtree animation for locomotion

[silver knoll]

Hi, i'm having trouble with these 2 things:

• should the neck and head be straight vertical as best practice for IK2 ?
• in the depth axis (back-front) , should it be further back or aligned with the upperchest for the best behaviour?

[ornate cairn]

you can tilt upper point of upperchest to be aligned with bottom point of neck and should be fine

[silver knoll]

thanks!

[crisp tendon]

That makes no difference FYI, since Unity connects the tail of child bones, only the head position of a bone matters

[ornate cairn]

i mean i always do that and had no problems but good to know

[crisp tendon]

It won't cause a problem, it just doesn't do anything

[sleek isle]

Always do something is not really indicative of what you should do.

[neon creek]

Okay, so I'm pretty new to avatar making with blendr and unity.

But I can't figure out how to enable a prop on the little quick circle menu.

Any help/suggestions

[fading verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtSg6_W07Y

[formal copper]

So I have a character who has pretty big eyes that kind of bulge out near the top of her head (instead of them being set inside the head.) how should i approach setting up the eye visemes? i was thinking i could set up some sort of 2D texture for the blinking but i’m not too sure how to do that lol.

[fading verge]

CATS blender plugin should still be able to make eyes out of that.
If it's a model that has no eye bones, I think you would have to make them.
Try the above option regardless, first. But to make them:
Named them Eye_R and Eye_L. Then weight paint the bones to the eyes.
Then use CATS Blender Plugin to create eyes tracking.

[formal copper]

oooh ok i'll try that. thank you!

[eternal stag]

I have questions! How do i try to get the original pose and not the funky stretched version or edit the funky one to the original pose for idle?

[bronze copper]

is there a quick way in Blender or Unity to test if a model is actually rigged correctly? Like a basic animation I can throw at it to make sure it moves?

[fading verge]

In Unity, you can click on the FBX. Go to Rig. And select Configure (only shows when set to humanoid). Then you can check if it's rigged correctly.
You can also search the asset folder for any typical emote animation, like death/die, double click it, then drag and drop the avi to the window that opened and play it.

[oblique latch]

when i go add add a player from gta5 into blender with a plugin the hands and face bones are all rip and i can not find a fix i would show a photo but this but discord bot will not let me

[crisp tendon]

The sleeve is just weight painted to multiple bones

Could be your chest or neck bone, but it's definitely affected by more than one bone

The actual arm bone should be the one with the weight

[crisp tendon]

Yep, in edit mode, you select those vertices, and then back in weight paint mode you enable the blue option on the right

[vale kettle]

So i took the fbx into blender and added new shoes, but now it wont let me copy the rig from the orriginal, any ideas

Cause i click the rig i want to copy and it does nothing

But i can copy other ones

[bronze copper]

https://i.imgur.com/IHMl8il.png should I be concerned about the giant spikey grey thing? it looks like a non-highlighted bone, and hovering/clicking says it's ModelName(Clone). Google says nothing about clones, grey spikes, or any other search term I try lol

also his dewclaws on his feet keep flying off to the side, but not in Blender

[robust crescent]

would be easier to see how its in blender then that mess

[void canyon]

probably some root bone bullshit

[rigid crest]

do you need dynamic bone to add physbones

[rotund kraken]

no. physbones are apart of the sdk

[fierce ingot]

I was clicked "fix model" from cats plugin but the textures still didn't get placed

[scenic hemlock]

hi there

i am having this issue : The angle between pelvis and thigh bones should be close to 180 degrees (this avatar's angle is 3.2) anyone knows how to fix this pls?

[bronze copper]

Any idea why one object out of like 10 isn't weight painting right? I have the max color set to white, and the object is fully white for all the bones it needs (it's the top of a skull and the bones are neck/head/etc). The ears and jaw and everything work fine, but the upper head only moves like half way, like it's weighted wrong. All surfaces on it are 100% weighted.

[crisp tendon]

Screenshots would help

[bronze copper]

can't believe I forgot to post them, one sec

left is normal, right is angling the head bone and everything but the top skull moving correctly. It moves some, but not like the rest

[crisp tendon]

Seems like the rest is weight painted to bones it shouldn't be

Once you figure out which, you can fix it easily

[bronze copper]

like the skull is painted to something like the arms and it's slowing it down?

[crisp tendon]

[bronze copper]

None of the other bones have any weight paint on the skull. I have 0% set to neon pink, so I can see there's nothing there. Would re-adding the shoulders/arms and checking be a waste of time?

[crisp tendon]

Unsure, but if it's moving slightly, it's painted to something else for sure, or not painted enough on the existing bones

[bronze copper]

Alright so the fix was so easy I'm almost mad. I unparented the object and reparented and it's moving correctly lol

Thank you for the help Ruuubick, but I shoulda just turned it off and on to start

[crisp tendon]

You might have a flipped hip bone

[bronze copper]

I probably had something painted wrong on an option ticked incorrectly, something that resetting the parent/child options fixed

[scenic hemlock]

ah ok tks alot let me check this

[noble juniper]

can someone help me with this?

[sage patio]

those are just warnings, and will not stop you from uploading

if you have twist bones on your avatar, you should set them up correctly with rotation constraints and not try to get rid of the warning actually

[noble juniper]

It's not letting me for quest

[sage patio]

ah yea, can't do constraints on quest

[noble juniper]

Ah you're right

I fixed it

[bronze copper]

When I generate an atlas, how do I get the colors back to normal? It basically randomizes what materials are where, same with hitting "fix model". This image isn't as dramatic, others have been worse

[sage patio]

make sure the names of the UV maps are the same on each mesh

[bronze copper]

So the muscle mapping section or whatever in Unity shows my tail isn't 100% rigid, but it's almost there. Any ideas why my tail sticks straight out with very little sway or curve when I move?

[stoic zenith]

Hi Hi everyone! Its my first time weightpainting a cloak on a model can someone give me some assistance?

[sage patio]

humans don't have tails. unity's avatar definition doesn't have anything for tails

to make your tail move smoothly, use a Physbone component

[quaint cosmos]

Any insights/best practices for rigging digitigrade legs? I understand that what would be the lower leg on a human is basically all foot with the foot area being the toes. Should I rig it that way or just treat it like a backwards knee?

[copper hazel]

Anyone here knows how to rig skirts? I'm having troubles with skirts clipping through

[soft heron]

need help with bone deform in blender, there a way to remove it from specific mesh? An optimized avatar i have uses blendshapes to hide clothing and one of them is close to a bone that uses deform (So when I move my hands up its pulls the mesh thru the body and looks VERY ugly).

[sage patio]

that's a very odd place to put the knee. it's a lot higher than it normallyy is

most often it's done like this (black being shape of leg, red being bones)

the digi ankle can be higher or lower, but the knee is always roughly where the real knee is

example

[quaint cosmos]

Well, it's an alien leg, it's not really based on any real animal or intended to be but if it's not going to be possible to rig as it is, then it can be adjusted. So basically the bones are just set up like a normal leg even though that doesn't match up to where they are physically to allow for the animations to work properly?

[sage patio]

if you want it to animate properly, you will need special rigging

which involves having a humanoid leg which is weighed to nothing, and then the real leg that the leg is weighed to

you then use constraints to drive the digi leg using the humanoid leg

you still have to have the leg shaped reasonably though

[quaint cosmos]

Sounds challenging but I guess I'll have to figure it out. Thanks for the link.

Seems like the legs I have are more like unguligrade than digitigrade but I guess the basic process is the same.

[slender sentinel]

can anyone help walk me through how to create a nose on blender? the alt-v command isn't working like how i want it to from this video tutorial eheh,,

[digital wren]

does a model need to have a minimum of 3 spine bones to work properly?

the model i'm working with really only needs 2 and deformation with an extra spine bone looks strange

[quaint cosmos]

A nose? You can just extrude it out from the face or sculpt it but I don't think that's what you're trying to ask.

[slender sentinel]

i think i have a solution actually! just watching a few more blender videos and i think i'll do a mix of different tutorials and try adding a face if the program knows what i'm trying to do snrt- thanks though!

[sage patio]

you need hips, spine, chest, then neck

upperchest is optional

[digital wren]

cool just checking

[bronze copper]

So Physbones is the newer, better Dynamic Bones? There's no reason to get DB, Phys is more or less the upgrade?

[rotund kraken]

yes

[bronze copper]

aight, thank you

[quaint cosmos]

Worlds still haven't been updated to use Physbones so you still need Dynamic Bone for that but you don't need it for avatars and Physbones should make it to worlds eventually.

[finite eagle]

how do you rig a regular r15 roblox avatar?

[quaint cosmos]

Mixamo, probably.

[ionic compass]

I'm gonna get fullbody soon and I'm kind of putting off making avatars for myself incase they're severely out of proportion with my body and require a lot of editing to fix - i know it wouldn't be perfectly 1:1 but would taking a picture of the little tracker calibration things that come up help me make a decent ref for how my armature should be laid out?

i make models, rigs, everything from scratch - just wondering if somehow getting a screenshot of the tracking calibration and using it as a general proportion ref could help me alter future avatars to line up more accurately.
this is technically a rigging question lol

[fervent hornet]

The best way to get your proportions is to take a picture of yourself t-posing IRL

[ionic compass]

i. feel actually insane for not thinking of that much simpler way of doing it

my brain just went to doing it in vr cuz its how the game interprets it, not where the limbs actually are 😅

[wheat dove]

the tail on my avatar keeps going inbetween the legs of my avatar dispite it not being that way during tpose? anyway to fix this?

[sleek isle]

The avatar is scare

Show image. That will help

[dull mortar]

Not sure if I am supposed to post this here or in the help section but, I am trying to add bones to an avatar in blender. However, I can't seem to make it transform. Most help site says to parent it with automatic weight, but it seems to do nothing for me. I am using blender 2.80 with cats plugin.

[sage patio]

@dull mortar you should do the weight painting yourself, look up some tutorials

weight painting is how you get parts of a mesh to move with bones in an armature

[dull mortar]

All tutorial I found adding bones says to use the automatic weighting under parent. If there is a tutorial I can you or tell me how to do it it will be helpful.

[quaint cosmos]

Automatic weighting should give you some weights but they probably won't be very accurate. The basics of weight painting are pretty straightforward, it just takes time and tweaking to do them well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fICQmBEt4Y

[winter heart]

I noticed that I have a lot of twist bones on my avatar, but I want to optimize the avatar to be good rated so I have to delete some bones. would it be okay to delete the twist bones, since I also have regular bones as well?

[sage patio]

don't delete bones, they have weights associated with them and outright deleting bones will mess up your weight painting. instead, merge them to the parent bone using CATS

keep the forearm twist bones, as those are the most useful

[winter heart]

gotcha 👍

[errant herald]

does anyone know how to fix this?

[crisp tendon]

Usually in blender, having to correct that bone length by scaling it !

[sleek isle]

Reverse hip probably

[swift hinge]

I'm having this completely bizarre issue, and I have no idea what's causing it as it seems to happen to all my avatars. When I place my arms down and hands on my hips, my right shoulder is never flat and is always aimed out and my left arm always clips through my body. It's almost like my chest and arms need to be translated slightly to the left in VRChat as a whole such that my left arm is not clipping through my body and my right arm is not leaving a gap between my arm and hip. Even with elbow trackers, this issue is not fixed. I already tried the "Shoulder Fix" from Kung's video.

In the supplied image, I am in a penguin pose in the real world with my feet together and arms on my side, standing up completely straight with my hands on my hips and you can see my left hand is clipping through my body and right hand and shoulder is completely off the side of my body.

[burnt goblet]

Im assuming your not fullbody, i would say that is somewhat normal. The feet tend to stay in one spot until you move a certain distance , therefore you get this weird effect with one arm or the other colliding into the body. I guess my question is did this start happening as a new thing or has this always happened. If something changed then thats a completely different story.

[swift hinge]

I am in full body, yes :-). This is a new issue

[shell quest]

howdy, I'm looking for some help on merging a tail to an existent fbx. can someone help me? i'm hitting a road block here x.x

kind of confuse on what i have to do to maintain the armature and delete the previews tail

[quaint cosmos]

You can join 2 meshes by selecting them both and going to Object -> Join or by pressing Ctri + J. If the existing tail is its own object, you should just be able to hit the delete key or if it's part of the body, you'll need to select the faces, hit P to separate them to a new object and then delete the object.

[shell quest]

do i have to make any changes to the armature?

[quaint cosmos]

No, not if you just want to join objects. You're gonna have to create vertex groups and weights for the new tail because that's how rigging works but if you just want to stick the objects together then you don't need to do anything else.

[fathom sun]

I am having some tremendous issues with weight painting. For some reason, while I have the mirror option on with weight painting, these strange spots appear on the other side of the model. Can anyone help? [Warning: may be slightly nsfw. No bits are showing though, just the region]

[quaint cosmos]

Is your model completely symmetrical?

[fathom sun]

yes

[sage patio]

how did you check?

[winter heart]

when turning my model using pose mode, all my clothes will move with me but some will start to separate away from the body as I move the model more

[crisp tendon]

That means they're weight painted to things they shouldn't be

[winter heart]

I figured I did data transfer right, I'd click the body for source, click vertex data, do nearest face interpolated, click vertex groups, generate data layers, then click apply

I also did transfer weights where I'd click the body, shift click the clothes (say shoes for example), then hit weights>transfer weights, do by name, and still the same thing

so I'm fairly certain they're weight painted correctly?