avatar-rigging

[buoyant ginkgo]

😭

looks like that

weird

its not sideways in texture file

[robust crescent]

check for multiple uv's i got no clue about those ones

[buoyant ginkgo]

how do i do dat?

ik

imma try to turn it sideways

[deep tartan]

What was your process of exporting from roblox and then importing into blender? Maybe something went wrong along the way?

[buoyant ginkgo]

i just went in roblox studio

imported my avatar

exported it as an obj with textures

and now yeah

want image file?

[robust crescent]

some avatars when converted/whatever have many uv's , one of them might behave with the current texture

just have to edit it to see or try one at a time

[buoyant ginkgo]

where do i see them?

theres only one...

only UVmap

imma use manual texwture space

praying its not too hard

btw i seperated clothes and hats

but

when togueter it doesent do that but it doesent want to be in right coordonates

im gonna try to reexport my roblox avatar

wait

@robust crescent my avatatar needs to be R6 or R15?

LETS GO

I GOT MY AVATAR FULLY WORKING (im being happy rn dont uncap me)

wait

what do i even do after exporting avatar cus i cant get it to tpose

😭

[wet kiln]

Tried out the Z method in hopes it was just a bug, and it worked! Only for the hands! I swear these are parented based on what I've been told and tutorials but apparently it's not?

If anyone could tell me whats going on it'd be a huge help

I'll get a blender screenshot while I'm here

Ah wait I'm silly and also struggle to read read text, need to add the thing to the chest

I'll try the Z thing still with everything and if it don't work uhhh

I dunno

So it seems I just need to add Z to everything.

Fun!!

WAIT

I.

I got it.

[heavy pendant]

I ended up taking a break for a couple of days this is the currently what i have for the bone structure, would this be ok or is there a couple of adjustments i would need to make before texture painting, for reference i kinda want it to move like this le poisson steve avatar : https://youtu.be/JrqtUuWap8I

[pale pumice]

if you want it to be humanoid, it has to look like the one pinned. Yours looks like it'd work

[heavy pendant]

Thank you!

[heavy pendant]

i ran into a little bit of a problem with the bones i attached them to the model with automatic weights and put them in pose mode, the bones on the right work while the the bones to the left of the image don't, and when i move around one side it also deforms the other. i dont really know what to do, and what im doing at this point.

also what is supposed to be the hand bone is moving the end of the arms insteat of the ball like hands

[pale pumice]

are the hands separate parts?

sounds like you need to check and possibly update the weight painting

[heavy pendant]

Everything is joined together but I tried remeshing to the same result

[pale pumice]

ok, joined together is fine

For mirroring bone weights, you have to have the left/right sides named with a pattern, use extensions like _L or .R on those bones

beyond that, time to look at weight paint

[heavy pendant]

Ok, thank you!

[astral quest]

quick question, can I change weight paints with blend shapes? like if I turn on a blend shape can the weight shift with it to a new bone as well?

[pale pumice]

nope

[celest sun]

so

this is another issue im having

[trim timber]

looks like it's not weight painted

[celest sun]

the parts are not proprly connected with each other because its mainly made for blender

[pale pumice]

I'm not sure what any of that means, but it looks like you need to see what's weighted to what

[celest sun]

could I get some help to weight paint it properly?

[pale pumice]

it looks like all of those mesh parts are rigid, this is animatronic, right?

that would mean there's minimal deform, so weight painting is easy - each section is weighted 100% to a single bone

the shoulders are weird though - you may want to have separate bones that move in relation to the rest of the arm, like you'd do with pauldrons on armor. I'm not sure how this character moves, so just guessing based on this one image

[celest sun]

im honestly more used to using glamrocks so this is pretty new to me

[glossy vale]

Hello guy
I'm new here

[astral quest]

anyone have experience making two hair styles out of one mesh? I have the blend shape to make my hair go from long to short and made a toggle to turn off the bones at the bottom of the hair and keep just the top bones at the top of the hair root active which are weight peinted to the short hair but the hair is still being moved around by the bones that are turned offf?

im about to pull out my own hair trying to figure this out

[pale pumice]

turn off the bones by what, disabling game objects? You might be better off shrinking them

[astral quest]

yes disabling them, shrinking is not a terrible idea, let me see what that does

[pale pumice]

oh, actually that'll shrink the mesh too, maybe not what you want

[astral quest]

yah doesnt work

[wind sigil]

would something like “Left leg” “Right leg” be detected by blender?

[pale pumice]

I don't know what the actual criteria is here, it's probably in the blender manual though

[wind sigil]

noted, thank you

[weary knot]

I’m such a disappointment

[celest sun]

oh my gosh, hi girlll

[rigid hearth]

pls help

hakari is the head

[wind sigil]

what the… where did you get this model from ? 😭

[weary knot]

OMG hiiii💅

[weary knot]

I can help you with your avatar tonight because it’s the weekend

[limpid bridge]

solutions, please? 😭
not sure exactly how to fix these issues
(the clipping, and the weird weights)

its originally a-pose

[wind sigil]

honestly weight painting just takes a lot of messing around with to get right.

i would recommend lessening the weight that that arms have on the chest,
and making the chest control that under arm area a little bit more

but you just have to play around with it to get it right

[limpid bridge]

alr

what about the shoulders?

[wind sigil]

what’s wrong with them?

[limpid bridge]

when you bend them into t-pose, it bends in a weird way? look at the area between the neck and the shoulders

[wind sigil]

are the shoulder bones on a straight 180?

[limpid bridge]

yes

[wind sigil]

then leave it

this happens when you go from t pose to a pose

as long as the shoulders and arms bones (the bones, doesn’t matter if the mesh does) make a straight 180, you should be fine

if it looks wonky in game, go back and fix it.

[nova shard]

the meshes that arent moving arent weightpainted to any bones/ the correct ones atleast, go into blender and manually weightpaint them to the Head bone (also the seperated meshes in the 2nd photo shouldnt be detached from the armature )

[pale pumice]

sure

[prime adder]

is it like... required?

[pale pumice]

more mesh renderers = more draw calls = worse performance

so no, but...

[prime adder]

ty

[upper yoke]

I've been making the spines on all my models follow the shape of actual anatomical spine for the characters, this results in good deformation and retargeting outside of very specifically VRChat's fullbody IK (looks great with MMD worlds, Unity Mecanim, and ChilloutVR's fullbody IK). BUT, I do want to be able to use my models with fullbody in VRChat, and waiting for VRChat to re-add the toggle for spine straightening, which afaik was a thing with mods before EAC.

Is there some workaround to make characters with this kind of posture work with fullbody?

The first image is ArcticAsper's Verbunny, which has a similar posture to lots of my avatars, but somehow gets away with a straight spine, but the hip tilt isn't as extreme.

The medical term for this is an "anterior pelvic tilt" and it's generally a bad thing on humans, but it makes bipedal characters with large tails more balanced, like velociraptors. I feel like part of solution is to just make characters with smaller, lighter tails, and in-turn straighter spines, but I've already got a ton of these raptor posture models and I like the way it looks, plus they move great on other platforms in FBT, they're only broken on VRChat...

[pale pumice]

the thing is, the armature follows your movements. If the avatar's movements are drastically different, yeah that'll be an issue.
You can setup a second armature if it deviates a lot and use rotation constraints to transfer the rotation from the main armature

[upper yoke]

Would rotation constraints to a straightened spine alone work? Wouldn't that end up with the head often not being lined up correctly?
Also, I do want to reiterate, with fullbody in ChilloutVR with "Pre-Straighten Spines" disabled, these models work 100% fine with fullbody, and the movements feel good. The goal is not 1:1 movement with the human body, that's impossible, but just plausible, predictable, and comfortable movement.

[pale pumice]

you can use local orientation for rotation constraints

also, personally I have yet to get chillout to work with full body tracking in a reasonable way

[rustic cypress]

Does vrchat armature need palm bones? Or just hand and fingers?

[pale pumice]

Just hand, everything below is optional

[brazen island]

uh but if you DO have fingers, then you DO need wrist bone.

[balmy delta]

you need a wrist bone either way

its the hand of the model

[brazen island]

ah true its in unity's mandatory list even.

[elder tapir]

What am I doing wrong?

[pale pumice]

can we have a little context? What are you trying to do?

[elder tapir]

I am trying to rig da avatar
but the thing wont move with the model itself
Uhhhh

[pale pumice]

I'm not sure what these images are indicating

[elder tapir]

the first shows the armature itself
the second one shows that the model doesnt move along with it
and the last one shows that I already tried weigh painting it and so i dunno what else to do

[pale pumice]

but what are you clicking on in the last one?

are you painting all of that to one bone?

[elder tapir]

o

I am new to this stuff so i dont really know - 😭"

[pale pumice]

have you watched a tutorial on this?

[elder tapir]

Ye

[pale pumice]

ok then I'm not sure what you did in that last one or why all of that seems to be weighted to one bone

[elder tapir]

How to weight paint each bone? I mean how to i just select one to weight paint?

[pale pumice]

select the bone with ctrl+shift right-click

again, tutorials should have shown you this

[elder tapir]

okey dokes thank u

[pale pumice]

remember that for VRChat, each vertex can have at most 4 weights

[native spoke]

one moment as I have just the thing

it looks like you are weight painting everything to a single bone

[native spoke]

#869803619300552715 message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RSwjZLClRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYs3pZEzPY

[native spoke]

these videos should help with the basics of weight painting and everything you need to know to get them working '

[elder tapir]

Thank youuuu!!!!!

[native spoke]

yeah np! I actually just had to learn weight painting or rather the really entry level basics to fix an issue I was having

[native spoke]

also if you need help with blender there is an official server ( which I did link a message from ) you can get help with pretty much anything you would need when it comes to working in and navigating the app

[wintry jetty]

anyone know how i can adjust the eyes seperately? i want to rotate and adjust them so i dont get this crosseyed look

[balmy delta]

Just click the unlink

[wintry jetty]

where is that in the gui?

[balmy delta]

Next to each eyelook setting

[wintry jetty]

found it. thank you

[prisma radish]

Can I weight paint each bone by selecting surface polygons?

[wind sigil]

yes

go to edit mode and use vertex groups
select the faces/polygons you want to weight to said bone and assign it to the vertex group of it

[prisma radish]

So i use regular human rig (like the one from rigify) on low polygon right?

[wind sigil]

you can do that

whatever rig suits you and that you want

i’m just answering your question how to weight the polygons

[pale pumice]

That last message seems important, check your permissions

[urban shoal]

Sorry if you were replying to me. I was abit dumb and missed something important haha

[pale pumice]

I was 🙂

[urban shoal]

Thank you stll though

[pale pumice]

for a moment I thought I clicked a different channel and almost started trying to find the message

[urban shoal]

hahaha

[marble flare]

Hello

I dont have enough bones I guess so can I just extrude some bones and use them for the bones im missing?

I tried it the first time but idkkkk

[arctic sundial]

Depends which bones youre missing

[marble flare]

lowkey I forgot but I think its like chest, neck, spine

maybe something else

[frigid geyser]

Hey!! Needing help on how to have the clothes move with the breasts, butt and leg when they're moving. Also needing help with the clothes adjusting to body modification sliders like breast size.

[robust crescent]

if there is a base pose / sculpt / whatever and try weight transfer -here is one plugin that make it easier https://jinxxy.com/SentFromSpaceVR/products/robust-weight-transfer , otherwise just use bone to scale parts of av (not the humanoid ones)

[frigid geyser]

Thank you! This will also work for adjusting the size of certain body aprts?

[uncut breach]

that tool is just for Weight Painting

[frigid geyser]

Oh okay, so what tool would I use for the body slidders?

[uncut breach]

Mesh Data Transfer is a good tool for getting a good start for that, https://mmemoli.gumroad.com/l/tOKEh

[frigid geyser]

Thank you!

It seems I have to use a version before blender 4.4
Is it nessesary to get an older version

[uncut breach]

Mesh Data Transfer has always worked for me

unless you're talking about weight transfer

[frigid geyser]

Idk what I'm talking about. But do you use an older version of blender to use the Mesh Data Transfer?

[uncut breach]

the legacy version won't

[frigid geyser]

So would the 4.4 version work with that?

[uncut breach]

yes, just try it and see

[pale pumice]

4.4 works for me so far

[frigid geyser]

Sweet I'll give it a try! Thank you so much for your help

[uncut mulch]

how do I rig this model? (I just made it)

i want it to be humanoid rigged

[trim timber]

Same as any model. Check the pinned posts.

[uncut mulch]

basically my model is one model, and when I try to apply a skeleton with an anatomically correct skeleton to it, i click automatic weights so i dont have to do weight painting, but I get this heat weight error thing at the bottom.

so i tried dividing the model by its materials in edit mode, and then i tried automatic weights, it worked, but when i go into pose mode and move the bones, the shape keys (which are suppoed to be for facial expressions, blinking and lip sync get dragged along with the bones i'm moving, like the jaw moves towards the bone i rotate. also the ears, which are already joined with the head, get moved seperately from the head as if the ears and arms were linked (they aren't) whenever i move the arms.

[trim timber]

automatic weight is bad. Do it manually for better results.

Weight paint it manually and most of those issues will disappear. For the shapekeys, you could try separating the model into parts (by materials or however else) and making sure that you delete all shapekeys that shouldn't affect those parts.

[uncut mulch]

its also the same with empty groups

oh okay, so with weight painting, do you know what each color means? red, yellow, green and blue?

[trim timber]

red - weight painted
blue - not weight painted
I recommend looking at some tutorials

[brazen island]

@uncut mulch just send it to mixamo first

way better than blender auto

[uncut mulch]

The model didnt work for mixamo

[uncut mulch]

So like if i were to weight paint the head, would that prevent the heads shapekeys and ears from moving with the arms?

[wind sigil]

uhhh… explain?

shapekeys aren’t weighted, i don’t think you’re using the right terminology

[uncut mulch]

i wish i could in words

[uncut mulch]

yesterday when i put a rig on the model and did empty groups, and moves one of the arms, the mouth started opening and moving around and it was following wherever i rotated the arm, same with the ears that are supposed to be joined (ctrl + J) with the head

[wind sigil]

select the mouth and ears and go to vertex groups, and then remove each one that you don't need/don't want the mouth to move with (the arms for example)

[uncut mulch]

nevermind about that im good BUT something else, im weight painting and im starting to get the hang of it. but I want to add bones for the boobs and belly (Im making a funny fat lady model) I want to be able to have physbones for the boobs and belly, but i dont want that to be affected by the weight painted chest bone, so do I just paint around the boobs and belly and paint the boobs and belly bones as their own weights?

[wind sigil]

yep you can do that!

thats how most creators do it :)

i recommend having a root bone for things like boob and butt

that have multiple bones attached to them

[uncut mulch]

right

thank you

AWESOME! I understand weight painting now!

[wind sigil]

that's lovely! :)

[uncut mulch]

i've been watching this tutorial while also coming to this server for some helpful side tips and questions that aren't answered in the tutorial

[wind sigil]

that's great, always happy to see another person get into 3d modeling

[wind sigil]

this is what i mean by root bone by the way, in case it wasn't clear

[uncut mulch]

yeah the fat lady model actually isnt my first, i first modeled one of those terrifying vintage 'laughing' kid mannequins

[uncut mulch]

thank you

[wind sigil]

ahhh cool!

[uncut mulch]

barnacles, my blender window is frozen and wont close, thats fine cause i saved the rig and model lol

[wind sigil]

yesss always save often...

[uncut mulch]

so what i did for the belly is i extruded from the first one to get the second part of the belly.

and then i just clicked the root belly bone and shift clicked the spine bone and did "keep offset"

[wind sigil]

great job! thats exactly how you do it :)

[brave rover]

Hey yall! symmetrize somehow flipping on the Z axis instead of the X axis. Anyone know whats up?

Also is my rig decent enough?

Tried setting the origin of the rig to the center between her feet but that just made the rig symetrical underneath her

Ah, nevermind i fixed it. Had to apply the rotation

[brave rover]

At the cost of my sanity, She's now rigged, besides the hair and ears. Right now I have the hair and ears all joined with the head in blender, but would yall recommend making them seperate objects? (they're all seperate meshes)

[trim timber]

I'd join meshes. Do you need to keep the separate for some reason?

[brave rover]

I was looking at a youtube tutorial, and they kept the head and pupils as seperate objets. So i have the head, torso, legs, and eyes separated. do you reckon i should just join all of them?

[trim timber]

most my avatar's are one mesh only

making it multiple just makes performance worse

[brave rover]

got it

[trim timber]

it's handy for weight painting!

but not for the final product

[brave rover]

so separate to make weight painting easier and then join when im all finished?

[trim timber]

yeah

[pale pumice]

I generally keep mine split up in parts until export time, it makes it easier to mix and match parts (especially clothing)

[trim timber]

Ye same

[lethal glen]

Could someone help me? this model I got doesn't have a head bone and whenever I try to add one it just doesn't work. Like when I go to the weight painting area I don't see the bone and it just doesnt work

[trim timber]

is the bone parented to the mesh?
is the vertex group for the head bone there?
can you select the vertex group in weight paint mode?

[lethal glen]

The bone is parented but the vertex group isn't there

[trim timber]

add it manually with the +
name it the same thing as the bone

[quaint canopy]

Does anyone know how to "re-connect" toggles and animations to an asset that's been resized in blender?

like i have these stockings i resized for my lunabeast, but the toggles and animations are now not working on the resized ones

i added back in the parameters and menu and FX but it's done nothing

so im missing a step

they're in my avi but when i go to Gesture Manager in play mode, none of the toggles work

[trim timber]

I'll assume it's because you renamed them, look at error in the bottom right

you'd be better off overriding the previous fbx

with the new one

[quaint canopy]

hmmm okay i'll have to re-import it

how do i overwrite it?

[trim timber]

open assets in the explorer window. Find the fbx, drag the new fbx (with the same name) to the explorer window, pick replace/override

[quaint canopy]

ahhhhhhh okay

[trim timber]

or just export from blender and save in the assets, whist overriding the fbx

[quaint canopy]

okay i'll try that, i removed the original FBX cause i thought that's what i had to do lol

[trim timber]

yeah, nah

too much work

[quaint canopy]

got it lol

asking cuz im dumb, is this how i do it?

[trim timber]

yes

that

[quaint canopy]

okay done

okay i did that but it's still the unfitted ones???

[trim timber]

honestly I'm not sure why
I don't attach clothing in unity, I thought that would work

[quaint canopy]

maybe it's the meta file?

i'll try that

yeah no it just goes right back to the unfitted ones

goddamnit

[quaint canopy]

i think it's the prefab. somehow it's not in here

how do i replace the prefab for the new sized stockings?

nvm i got it figured out but the damn toggles are still broken

[pale pumice]

once you select the bone and start painting, it'll automatically make the vertex group to match, unless you specifically disabled this setting.

[wind sigil]

sometimes, it will not select properly. in this case, making vertex group manually is possible.

[pale pumice]

I haven't had a situation where I could not select a bone in weight paint mode, if you get there, something is definitely wrong.

[urban shoal]

Hi guys, im doing physbones but im adjusting the sliders of Gravity, Pull and Spring but i dont actually see any change when moving the avatar?

[brazen island]

@urban shoal afaik they messed up with playmode physbones in current sdk, so editing live doesnt do anything, you need to re-enter playmode, or maybe disable-enable physbone component? also #avatar-dynamics

[urban shoal]

Thank you for the guidance ill try if not ill take to dynamics

[limber flame]

any ideas of why the mesh is not connecting to the bones?

[urban shoal]

Im not sure but is it actualy weight painted, check by clicking the bones then shift click and mesh and go to weight paint

[pale pumice]

Did you weight paint it?

[limber flame]

Not yet is that the issue? When I’ve done a rig before it still worked a bit without weight painting

[pale pumice]

I'm not sure how that would work, without skin weights the mesh won't move with a bone

[zealous sonnet]

does anyone have pointless creations pipboy assest and if so how do i make the screen not appear pink,idk what to do for that

[trim timber]

you didn't install the required shader

[zealous sonnet]

yep i found what was missing,it was in my face the whole time,the audio link

[rose frost]

Does anyone know how I should connect these bones to make it so that I can hold this blaster with 2 hands? I'll use position and rotation constraints to connect the grip bones to the avatar's hands, but idk in which way I should connect the bones to eachother to make sure it follows both hands correctly.
(The top bone is the bone for the body btw.)

[brazen island]

@rose frost you dont need actual bones. make sure gun's origin is at main grip, add empty object (or use bone but again, no point) and move it to a second grip, acitvate aim constraint towards it, gun should remain at the same position. now you can move empty object onto 2nd hand bone with 0 offset and the gun should continue to aim at it. next just do animations turning constraint off/on.

[limber flame]

anyone know why the head bones are moving smooth and nice and then the rest no matter how I paint them are choppy and not smooth at all

[pale pumice]

that neck bone just looks like you have verts painted, even if they look blue. Click on one of those verts in edit mode and see which weights it has

[urban shoal]

What are twist bones for?

[wind sigil]

more natural movement in the body

[wind sigil]

https://youtu.be/eOwd5KNypfA?si=ITLCWCk-a8B3v3YS
This is explains what they are

[urban shoal]

Thank you!

[wind sigil]

https://youtu.be/_GmAupH5Co0?si=-wSQex2vbwKSa1yb
This is how to use them

[urban shoal]

Avatar I'm making if for PC. My friend doesn't have VR controls

[pale pumice]

If you want to make twist bones, Feilen's Tuxedo Blender Plugin makes doing so really easy

I always make them

[quaint canopy]

how to fix this endless error loop?

trying to reapply animations and toggles from one asset to a resized one?

i can't find a youtube tutorial on this

[pale pumice]

seems like a vrcfury thing, have you tried the discord for that?

[quaint canopy]

i was not aware there was a vrcfury server but now i need to join it lol

[tiny vale]

Hi. I'm looking for advice on how to rig and setup these sleeves so that the arm twists separate from the sleeve, and the sleeves mostly stay upright.

I've tried a couple of approaches using aim constraints or physbones and haven't been able to get something even close to workable yet.

I've seen other outfits with large sleeves, but either they only follow the upper arm (which I have got to work), or are locked to arm rotation and move pretty badly.

[wary crow]

this wording is a bit confusing, do you want the sleeves to basically always point down to be effected by gravity, while the ends of the sleeves move separately from the hands. so the sleeves move with the upper arm or forearm but feel like they're affected by gravity?

[tiny vale]

I'm not sure how to explain it better. They should move with the arm, but say you are standing in a tpose and twist your hand upside down - that twist extends up your arm, and anything weighted to the arm bone will move along with it. I don't want that. I want you to be able to twist your arm, without also twisting the sleeve.

I've tried a few approaches; both involve weighting it not to the armbones but instead to bones under the arm - whether using physbones w/ gravity, or aim constraints, but haven't been able to get a working result yet.

[pale pumice]

hmm, rotation constraint from arm to sleeve but lock the X axis?

[somber bane]

does anyone knows how to rig clothes in unity, there is a way i've seen my friends do it without blender, they were gatekeepin' it

[urban shoal]

Hi Everyone, i am trying to add thigh jiggle, is this the right idea? or should the bone be perpendicular ? and should you only weightpaint the front of the thigh and not all around it?

[somber bane]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-memes-steve-prank-meme-gif-9233501247031718577

[trim timber]

that's not possible

[somber bane]

it is

[trim timber]

I would love to know how

[somber bane]

same

[trim timber]

to my knowledge weight painting can only be done in Blender

or Maya or something

not unity

[somber bane]

idk nothin' in blender, i just have it to inspect .blend avatars

i just learned how to make a toggle like a bed and doen't follow you

and how to make a submenu for scripts

[tiny vale]

I suspect you are misunderstanding what they are doing. I've never heard of that as something you can do in unity, and would require (probably paid) plugins. But I've heard of no such thing.

You can scale existing clothes to cover you avatar, but weights are unlikely to match - corrective blendshapes and mesh hiding can help there and I know there are plugins for both if the avatar isn't set up for it.

[somber bane]

i found a way

[pale pumice]

I'd make the bone be a child of the leg bone. Where you put it, and what you weight paint really depends on how and what you want to move.

[trim timber]

yeah, they misunderstood rigging for attaching already rigged clothing

[hasty cloud]

what could cause the eye to suddenly shift positions like this when adjusting the eye look? (also im pressing preview)

[wind sigil]

your eye bones are set up or rotated incorrectly

[hasty cloud]

bone roll is 0 and eye bones r pointed forward

its the right eye that is messed up

[pale pumice]

You want the eye bones pointed upwards

[barren yarrow]

hey yall, my first time rigging an avatar from scratch. Is it a problem if the mesh itself isnt 100% symmetrical? Will I need to fix this before I start rigging or can I eventually line the model up through posing to be mostly symmetrical once it's weight painted?

[pale pumice]

it doesn't have to be symmetrical at all... unless you specifically want it to, in which case of course you should fix that.

You could just split it in half, delete half, then mirror the other half.

[barren yarrow]

exactly what I ended up doing + just had to manually flip the uv's. good to know that it doesn't have to be symmetrical though, but I'm assuming that it does make the pose deformation more consistent to either side

[pale pumice]

well some things just aren't symmetrical, so this can work however you want

[lusty panther]

Having an issue with the rigging of an avatar I'm trying to make? When in desktop it'll be like the image on the left, but work normal whenever I'm moving. In vr, it'll only do that when I'm standing at a specific height but when I'm moving it becomes jittery. Does anyone have any tips for what I could do or at least point me in the right direction?

[hasty cloud]

already tried, still doesnt work

[pale pumice]

then there's some other issue still

[hasty cloud]

even tried making them point upwards, THEN setting the bone roll to 0

[pale pumice]

that's ideal, yes.

[hasty cloud]

even then it doesnt work and gives me the exact same problem i was having before

[pale pumice]

again, I didn't say this would solve whatever problem you are having, just that this is the "correct" way.

[hasty cloud]

ik im not blaming you, im just so confused

[pale pumice]

k

is the head of the bone at the center point of the rotation?

[hasty cloud]

im confused.

[oblique furnace]

Did you go back into the fbx import in Unity and reset the pose and then re-enforce T-Pose?

Changing bone positions/rotations and then overwriting the model doesn't change any configured avatar

[rare moon]

sorry this is very late, but if you still haven't figured this out, try having a root bone that has gravity on it and uses a curve to adjust the allowed angles for a polar type angle limit (so it is essentially a hinge for this first bone, and then whatever you want for the rest)

https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_aacc3621-2dca-475f-bf52-723b3302c602

here is an avatar i created that has this same effect on the sleeves

[tiny vale]

That is exactly what I did, and it works fairly well. I've got most the clipping resolved, but not all - it's got a rigged elbow and that's causing fun. I think the remaining clipping will be handled by stencils.

I have familiarity with polar physbones. Good for emulating expected movement. Like beads sliding or pivoting on a ring. :)

[barren yarrow]

how would I do the armature for a mesh like this, where theres no real point to including the middle though pinky bones? Do I have to include them anyway to meet the requirements for the rig, or can I leave them out?

[pale pumice]

nope, you can leave out all of the fingers, you just need the hand bone (for the wrist joint).

note that without all the fingers some world things are going to be very wonky, such as SaccFlight.

[barren yarrow]

thats alright, I should at least add the joints for like the middle finger so the glove curls in correctly, right?

i just want grabbing functionality really

[pale pumice]

if you want the glove to curl in some way, you probably want bones to do it 🙂

[barren yarrow]

are specific bones of the mesh used for specific animations? like does the grab animation apply specifically to the finger denoted as the middle finger, ring, pinky, index etc

[pale pumice]

you mean the default ones in the base locomotion? Yeah, of course those animate specific fingers for specific gestures

[barren yarrow]

yeah im on rift s so whatever the palm trigger would do is what id want. im just trying to figure out whether or not I should include the index or the middle finger as the one that has the bone here

[pale pumice]

I'd probably do at least the index, it'll get you the collider for that too

[barren yarrow]

if i remember correctly when you hold index trigger on rift s controller the rest of the fingers come with it yeah

alright thanks

[true ridge]

Armature.001 is the base and Armature is the clothes

[trim timber]

i use cats for that

https://cats.neoneko.xyz/

[true ridge]

oh yea forgot that exists
thanks!

[trim timber]

like this, yeah

it's quite handy sometimes

[pale pumice]

I do this manually - I strip the armature with the "extras" down to only the extras, ctrl+j to join them, then parent the extras properly.

[true ridge]

Does the weight of the unique bones just get copied over?

[pale pumice]

weight is in the vertex groups on the mesh, not the armature.

[trim timber]

so if the names are the same it'll be fine

[pale pumice]

right

if the clothing armature is really unique I'll rename its bones to match the avatar's armature's bones (which auto-renames vertex groups on attached meshes) first.

[tiny vale]

I did finally take a look at yours, and it takes the same approach the other well-setup one I looked at did: The sleeves functionally end at the elbow. That simplifies things a lot, because it's the elbow itself giving me the most issue - especially as the Spiri'vali has a rigged elbow. I have a physbone on the elbow, but it feels like in the end, it just physbones are too slow, so with rapid movement it'll still clip through.

Even expanding the sleeve has made very little difference, and shrinking the arm a little. Not only do I complicate things by going all the way to the wrist, but the sleeves are fully open meaning you can see all the way up to my torso, so I can't scrunch the arms like you might normally do.

For most normal movement though it barely clips at this point.

I've yet to see an avatar that has sleeves rigged like I'm doing though. They all stop at the elbow, have it fully weighted to the arm, or have the sleeves oversized and closed on the end allowing the arm to be scrunched.

If I can solve the elbow though they'll be basically perfect.

[tiny vale]

At this point, this is what I'm trying to solve, but I'm not sure if I can do so reasonably.

Maybe this is more a dynamics question at this point, since I think the rigging itself is probably good. Just not 100% sure I have it rigged well where the elbow is. The Elbow is rotationally constrained to upper and lower arms and the physbone is under that.

[fading verge]

can anyone help rig up my avi?

[pale pumice]

You'll need to ask a more detailed question than that.

[fading verge]

can anyone give a bone struture to my avatar?

[brazen island]

mixamo can

[fading verge]

ok thx

[fading verge]

what is their username...

[brazen island]

mixamo.com

[pale pumice]

you could also commission someone at the VRC Traders discord, link is in #1204490664637890580

[fading verge]

Im trying to find someone to rig it for me bc unity is being stupid with me and not letting me get the editor i need,it keeps saying not enough storage when i deleted everything i have(besize my model)

[pale pumice]

that sounds like you have not enough storage 🙂

[fading verge]

i deleted everything i have!!!

[brazen island]

and unity has nothing to do with rigging anyway

[fading verge]

w h a t

[trim timber]

you don't rig in unity

that is not possible

[rare moon]

you make your rig in blender

[fading verge]

how do i...ok im gonna break my head over this,can someone do it for me.

[rare moon]

then you assign the bones to the humanoid standards in unity

[rare moon]

it's really not too difficult

there are some great beginner tutorials on it

[fading verge]

im starting to lose it...

[rare moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkiWBSSuxLw

this one is a bit old but it's still pretty good

the only thing is that the way you select bones in weight paint mode has changed

[fading verge]

look,i will give you the file of the model and you can do it yourself i can't with this...

[rare moon]

it used to be ctrl+click, but now it is shift+ctrl+click

[rare moon]

no, i don't work for free

[pale pumice]

I suggested where you can commission people

[rare moon]

if you are getting fed up with this you need to take a break and come back when you are feeling more level-headed

[rare moon]

even if you paid me it would have to be a pretty large amount because my comms are closed, my queue is backed up, and i'm on a vacation rn

[pale pumice]

yeah - I'm in the middle of stuff too and full character rigging is a bunch of work, it wouldn't be cheap.

[empty crescent]

So i'm rigging the Ybot for a bit of practice. Will VRchat fuss about the way i have the chest and spine angled? i have them angled this way because of how the chest rotates on top of the ball (trying to have it move in a more robotic solid pieces way)

[nova shard]

it wont fuss but might throw an ignorable warning, plenty of e-girl models have their spines/chests angled like that

prolly something to do with their exaggerated proportions or for better FBT movement

[robust crescent]

use the same one for proportion checks , seen so many avatars wich had legs too long or arms too short

[coarse harness]

Hey how do I rig the model? I’m really struggling to weight paint and idk how to go about rigging

[pale pumice]

basically: create an armature that looks like that ^ and weight paint the mesh so it moves with the bones.

the weight paint part isn't easy

[coarse harness]

I’m like really struggling

I have an armature but the weight paint part is so hard

[coarse harness]

Nevermind actually weight painting easy

[pale pumice]

haha, it seems that way

[golden rock]

Is there like a video for armatures

[trim timber]

a lot

[fallow orbit]

So I was trying someone's suggestion of using mixamo to rig my avi, and I follow the mixamo steps and then exported to fbx and when I try to put it into unity nothing comes up. Does anyone have a fix for this?

I tried exporting both .fbx and .fbx for unity and they both did the same thing

[pale pumice]

expand that to show us what's in it

[fallow orbit]

I'm assuming this is what you mean?

[pale pumice]

yeah - wanted to see if there were actual mesh objects in there

[fallow orbit]

I mean those are the same meshes from the model and theyre all checked on

[pale pumice]

are they weighted to bones though?

[fallow orbit]

Sorry I've never used mixamo before so just to clarify, after making the rig I will need to import into blender and then weight the bones and then export that fbx ?

[pale pumice]

I've never used mixamo for this either so I don't know what it does or doesn't do, but in Blender, go into pose mode, and rotate some bones. If the mesh does not follow along then yeah, you'll need to weight paint.

(just to clarify too - bones don't get weighted. Mesh gets weight painted to move with the bones, all the weight information is in the mesh, not the armature)

[fallow orbit]

Thanks for clarifying, I tried importing the fbx to blender and theres nothing there either lol so I really have no idea what happened with the export

even though it says my meshes are in the right panel

[pale pumice]

edit one and see if there are any vertices

[fallow orbit]

No there is not

[pale pumice]

welp

[fallow orbit]

yeah idk maybe there was an issue with the model I put in im super new to this so ill just have to keep troubleshooting

[fallow orbit]

Yall im not even kidding my avatar was still there it was just so tiny I couldnt see it unless I zoomed in a LOT 🤦‍♀️

idk why my first thought wasnt to try scaling up

[pale pumice]

ha! of course it's a scaling thing

[golden rock]

Can someone please send a video of how to rig avatars like fnaf avatars for example

[balmy delta]

you just kinda rig them like any other avatar

[limpid bridge]

(sorry for the late reply) well, not really
most fnaf models don't require any manual weight painting since they're not able to bend anyways

[cedar pine]

Where can I find resources for rigging the hand bones? I used the cats plugin

[pale pumice]

pinned in here maybe? what do you want to know exactly?

[trim timber]

rigging hands is the same as rigging anything

[pale pumice]

yep.

the thumb is a little harder, but you can play with bone roll there to get it to align well

[fallow orbit]

I got close to getting my avatar uploaded and then ran into this... I've tried looking it up and the only answer I saw were from people that downgraded to unity 2019 which I really don't want to do if possible... does anyone know what piece of the project could be missing here? I have VRC avatar descriptor and the bare minimum needs to upload an avatar so I'm not sure

[pale pumice]

#avatar-help but that message itself is not very useful - if there's more errors, post the first 2-3 in there.

[fickle rose]

Hi! I used rigify to rig a model, and am currently trying to use CATS to fix the rig, but it's giving these errors, what should I do?

[pale pumice]

are you using the right cats? but also, what are you trying to fix?

[fickle rose]

Nvm, got it taken care of, sorry!

I just used mixamo instead of rigify

[fallow orbit]

Hii guys so trying to finalize my avatar and running into a few more issues the biggest one being that when I load in im floating. I'm assuming it has something to do with my avatar being above this line in unity? However I'm not sure how to change that as when I try to move the just avatar it moves the line as well

The other issue I'm having is my elbow bones not working even though the bones are there and they work in gestural manager as they should, I'm not sure if that would be related to the first issue or not

(ignore the clipping pls lol)

[trim timber]

the floating is fixed in blender
move your avatar to world origin and make sure it's on the floor, apply all transforms in object mode
A - to select everything
Ctrl A
pick Apply All Transforms

the shortcuts are for blender 4.2 if you're using a different blender they may be different

[stone timber]

What is the best (and affordable) entry option for VR body tracking?

[trim timber]

why would I know that?

[robust crescent]

best & affordable /error does not compute

[pale pumice]

#full-body-tracking perhaps

[viral flame]

Like it

[river pike]

Homie I posted that 4 years ago

[pale pumice]

haha

[trim timber]

no way xd

[viral flame]

I’m trying to get a new VR headset I just want to know that public on private I want new avatar

[river pike]

https://mondocat.tv/wiki/index.php/Assets

It's not up to date but

Lots of avatars and resources

[viral flame]

Thank you

[nova shard]

fair warning alot of those MMD sections and DA users dont like/permit their content to be used in vrchat, not sure why they'd add them in the first place

and gamerips are iffy to work with aswell

[coarse harness]

ight so I'm done with weight painting and allat so I'm putting it in unity to probably try and finish it. what do I do now?

[trim timber]

upload it I guess, or set up toggles and stuff in unity
https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?si=E17jW5D6FE2Sr2qV

[astral quest]

so I rigged new clothes to this base in blender, used my normal export settings of such, and now the whole body dissappeared in unity?

[trim timber]

is your unity shader maybe set to transparent or has backface culling?

[astral quest]

no its not anything to do with materials or anything

[pale pumice]

Did you unpack the model prefab in your scene?

Previously I mean.

[astral quest]

looks like it was in the scene but the prefabs also drop in like this

[pale pumice]

yeah this is one of the things that happens when you unpack, so don't.
Redo the rig setup of the model (set to generic, apply, set back to humanoid, apply, configure, save), and drag a new model into the scene and transfer stuff over to it.

[astral quest]

ill reimport the original file and pack it and see if that changes anything

[pale pumice]

you can't re-pack

[astral quest]

if you turn it into a prefab and re-drop it in it will be packed

[pale pumice]

no, it'll be a prefab

it won't be the right kind of prefab that the FBX file is already.
Drag a new one into the scene and work from there, you're wasting your time otherwise.

[astral quest]

lmao what, itll be the exact same thing but now "repacked" im talking about the original files without importing the new fbx in

[pale pumice]

it won't, but I wish you luck trying this.

[astral quest]

lol what do you think you are getting when you buy avatars? you get the prefabs saved in a scene

[pale pumice]

FYI I'm talking about unpacking the avatar prefab that is what you get when you drag the FBX model itself into the scene. not some other packed up prefab.

if you have that inside another, that isn't what I'm talking about.

[astral quest]

sure, does anyone else in here have suggestions?

[quasi kernel]

what happens if you open your fbx with a different program? Did you export everything? Or did you just exported the selected object?

Btw. I also have a question: I have a ghost avatar with a non humanoid rig, but I want the headbone to move with my headset. It's not automatically doing that. What do I have to do?

[trim timber]

don't export from Unity if that's what you're talking about
just import the fbx to whatever app

[trim timber]

make it humanoid (not all bones need weight painting, they just need to exist)

[quasi kernel]

yeah but I feel like there must be a better solution. I could technically just humanize my rig but that's adding unnecessary bones.

[coarse harness]

ok so I brought the model into unity and it said that 43 verticies weren't assigned to bones. What does that mean? do I weight paint it again?

[quasi kernel]

yes, it's a weight paint thing

you might have missed a few verticies during weight painting. Last time I had this with my avatar eyes

(yesterday lol)

[coarse harness]

how do I know where it is?

[quasi kernel]

You have to check each bone...

I don't think there is an easy way to find where the weight paint is missing.

[trim timber]

there's a script...

if i can find it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/comments/iduq9q/solution_import_fbx_warning_mesh_xxx_has_y_out_of/

thus

this

[coarse harness]

I don't know what it's telling me to do

select Mesh Edit Mode the check box "Developer Indices"

idk what this means

[trim timber]

it's a setting that makes the verteces have numbers next to them

I don't have my computer open rn, I can't show you where that is

[coarse harness]

ok so I ended up figuring it out

fixed em all

problem is now

that I cannot locate all my bones in unity

that're in blender

like it won't show up in the sidebar

[pale pumice]

when - just in normal mode, or in the rig setup mode?

[coarse harness]

I think in normal mode? like when I first bring the model in

[uncut breach]

Creators should be making prefab variants of the model prefab or just use Scene files. Drag the FBX into the scene and use something like Pumkin's avatar tools to copy over the components

[pale pumice]

it could be this: under Armature in the FBX export, there's a checkbox for "Only deform bones" - if you have that on, any bones that have no mesh weighted to it will be omitted.

[coarse harness]

it's not checked

it just shows all these

[pale pumice]

those legs ought to be children of hips

otherwise, what's wrong here?

[coarse harness]

the arms arent showing

[pale pumice]

expand "hips"?

[coarse harness]

nevermind I am so silly

[pale pumice]

okay

[coarse harness]

so what should I be focusing on now that I've uploaded the guy into unity? what do I do atp

[trim timber]

parent the legs to the hips in blender before doing any unity stuff

[coarse harness]

Dw I did real quick

[coarse harness]

for some reason my eyes are upside down in unity?

[trim timber]

how are your bones pointed in blender?

and is the bone roll 0?

[coarse harness]

oooooooh ok my fault

ugh

I keep getting conflicting information

I literally go back to blender to check out the face and see if I can rig it better before I can put it into unity and I check the tutorial I've got and it says that the pupil, eyelashes and head should be separate

so I have no idea what to do

I hate this so bad

I think I misunderstood what advice I was given here and merged them

I hate i hate i hate i hate hnnnnnng

I wish there was just one big tutorial to help but there isn't any and there's way too many and it's too confusing

[trim timber]

I believe that the tutorials you're watching tell you that it's easier to rig those parts while they're separate. However we're telling you to merge them after because that's better for performance reasons.

[trim timber]

yeah, it's hard to make one big tutorial because most things are "it depends"

[balmy delta]

Significantly easier to work with the part separate

After finishing your edits merge after for performance

[trim timber]

yes

[coarse harness]

well what do I do now? I merged everything in the process of weight painting and now I'm basically screwed

[trim timber]

separate it 🤷

[coarse harness]

I can't

[trim timber]

why not?

in blender you can separate by materials, loose parts or selection

I don't see why that option wouldn't be possible

[balmy delta]

Its literally just selecting the part then right click separate by selection

[trim timber]

exactly

that's what I do

[coarse harness]

ok so do I just have to do this for the eyes, eyelashes and eyebrows?

[trim timber]

whatever it is that you need to have better control of when weight painting

[coarse harness]

I wish I could pay to have someone do this

[trim timber]

you can

[coarse harness]

I cannot

[trim timber]

if you join VRC Traders #1204490664637890580

you can commission someone there to do what you need

[coarse harness]

I have no money

[trim timber]

ah

[coarse harness]

I'm poor

[trim timber]

i see

[coarse harness]

broke even

[trim timber]

have fun learning

[coarse harness]

it's torture

I actually hate this

nevermind we're so back

[subtle tide]

HOW DO i pull up rigging to start riggin on blender

[trim timber]

watch tutorials

lots of tutorials

and check the pins for what a VRC Armature should look like

[balmy delta]

Thats not a menu/mode

Rigging involves doing multiple different things

[coarse harness]

stay to like one tutorial and stick with it because a lot of tutorials have conflicting information and sometimes have misleading info

[subtle tide]

i jsut want the rigging amination so im able to upload

[pale pumice]

everyone's got their own method - learn from them all, try them out, develop your own method

[subtle tide]

ahhh

alr alr

[coarse harness]

nothing is working and nothing is helping me so I'm just gonna drop it. I don't know what to do so I am once again asking for help

[trim timber]

what's the problem?

[coarse harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YutNpbIGrHA following this tutorial o the eyes and I separated them into different meshes and yet it won't move like hers. it moves separately, probab;y because it's a different mesh

I feel so frustrated I wanna cry actually

[trim timber]

i cried making avatars too

[pale pumice]

so for those of us who aren't going to watch a 10 minute video in order to guess how to help you, we're happy to help with specific, focused questions.

[trim timber]

also this

[pale pumice]

Actually I have had two cocktails and should not say stuff like that 🙂

Hi, how can we help? 🙂

[trim timber]

haha

[coarse harness]

I just don't know what to ask because it feels like everything is too complicated and I just feel stupid

[pale pumice]

everything is very complicated and you are very stupid until you learn and then you are not.

I rigged up an avatar with digitgrade legs and it works amazingly. it took me like 3 months to figure it out. learning is fun.

[coarse harness]

oki so I separated the eye and the eyelash

I put the shapekeys there

ugh

in the video it's both moving with one shapekey

mine isn't

[pale pumice]

sorry, what is your goal here?

I've not been paying attention

[coarse harness]

to make a blink

to rig the eyes

I messed up and completely forgot before merging all the meshes and putting it to unity

[pale pumice]

those are two different things, take one at a time

[coarse harness]

well I mean one thing, I'm just really stupid right now and have no idea how to word it

shape keys

[pale pumice]

what about shape keys?

[trim timber]

not gonna watch the video, but... if your eyes are separate meshes, you can make a shapekey for one eye and for the other and name them the same thing. When you merge the meshes, it'll be one shapekey.

[coarse harness]

oh ok

[pale pumice]

are we talking like eyeballs here?

[coarse harness]

I thought it'd be easier to do 2D eyes

[trim timber]

wdym 2d?

[coarse harness]

the pupils are flat while inside of holes instead of dealing with spheres

[trim timber]

I see, mine are the same

[coarse harness]

how do I make a mirrored shape key

[trim timber]

are the vertices identical on both sides?

they need to be 100% the same

i found that feature to not work well for me, so I just make shapekey again

[pale pumice]

ah I only work with 3D spherical eyes

[balmy delta]

what are you trying to do with the eyes?

[coarse harness]

making them blink

[balmy delta]

ah

for my avatar I just dragged the top edge and bottom edge of my eye together

[trim timber]

same

[steep current]

disturbingly slow blink

[balmy delta]

also with concave eyes/"2d" eyes you need to have the rotation point be significantly further back for the pupils so it pans rather than rotates

[coarse harness]

wdym by this

[balmy delta]

typically eyes that are actually fully modeled spheres not the eye socket and pupil like you have has the rotation point at the center of the eye

for eyes that are just a pupil floating in the socket the rotation point needs to be further back

or else the pupil will just rotate and clip out of the eye

[coarse harness]

Oooooooh ok thanks so much!!!

[coarse harness]

here's my eyebones, their settings, how they look in blender and unity separately! I don't know what is going on but the texture on the eyes keep flipping

if someone could help me that would be very appreciated

[brazen island]

eyebones when talking vrc, look perfectly up

i also fail to see texture difference

oh wait i see it

but fix bone orientation first

[coarse harness]

this might be a stupid question but how would I go about fixing the bone orientation?

[brazen island]

easiest way most cases is to just write down bone name, erase them and then extrude with x (vertical), then rename bones same as before to do same vertex goups. but your does have extra bones who knows for what

[pale pumice]

ah I usually turn on mirroring, put the 3D cursor for one bone at the bone's head, select the tail, move it to the 3D cursor, then move it +Z

but yeah you can delete and recreate too - still the 3D cursor is useful here

[coarse harness]

I'm so confused 😭

[pale pumice]

about?

[fluid lake]

[trim timber]

?

[fluid lake]

one sec

[pale pumice]

neat

[fluid lake]

spiffy

[coarse harness]

nothing in specifics! I just have a hard time processing what you mean. it's a me thing

I ended up deleting and redoing the bone

[pale pumice]

I can explain parts in more detail if needed

[fluid lake]

can i fix the fingers in unity or do i need to use blender?

[coarse harness]

I would love that! thank you so much. lemme just see if this helped

[pale pumice]

its not clear what is wrong but I'd go into blender and make sure the bone roll is all set to 0 for the fingers. Thumb you'll have to work out the right angle.

[fluid lake]

thumb is fine, the finger joints are set inside of the handplate

[robust crescent]

wont like those

[pale pumice]

eh, I have some avatars with them, you don't need to map those to anything

but also... you don't really need them either, just one "hand" bone.

[fluid lake]

epico

[robust crescent]

rare i see those but i just merge them to wrist they wont do much anyway

[pale pumice]

wait, you don't have those mapped as the proximal bones, do you?

[coarse harness]

the texture for the eyes are still flipped sadly

[pale pumice]

that's not a rigging question though

[fluid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/epico-cat-epico-cat-epic-cat-meme-epic-cat-epico-meme-gif-20299736

[pale pumice]

flip the faces in blender, etc.

[uncut breach]

lead paint stare

[coarse harness]

it's not flipped in blender which is the problem, which is why I thought it was a rigging issue. My fault tho

cuz maybe the bones were being weird

[pale pumice]

I'm not sure why you would? But yeah, post in #avatar-help , describe how your material works - got culling set to front maybe?

[coarse harness]

oh ok! thank you so much!

[fluid lake]

how do i do this?

[pale pumice]

blender, edit armature, delete the bones or merge them into one

[robust crescent]

cats way example , select bones not wanted - merge to parents

[trim timber]

beautiful

[upbeat zephyr]

is there a way to edit these animations? I want the ears to change rotations depending on the expression

figured out how to edit the face animation, still looking to animate the bones

found out i could just press record then rotate the bones but it doesnt translate to vrchat

[balmy delta]

physbones need "is animated" to be enabled

[upbeat zephyr]

thank you!

[marble flare]

Do yall know how to swap bones?

[pale pumice]

swap?

[marble flare]

Yeah

Like

ok tldr

[pale pumice]

you can just swap which armature is used in the armature modifier on your mesh objects in Blender

[marble flare]

I used a premade roblox rig but it doesnt work for vrchat because its "missing" bones but roblox rigs dont use those

[pale pumice]

ideally you'll want the bone names the same, or you'll need to rename a bunch of vertex groups.

[marble flare]

Where that at?

[pale pumice]

Wrench icon on each mesh object

[marble flare]

Oh one last thing how do I rename them?

[pale pumice]

you'll want to drag the meshes to be children of the new armature too

what, vertex groups? double-click the name of anything nameable in Blender and you can rename it

[marble flare]

Oh thats convenient

Wait....what wrench icon? 🧍

You got a video tutorial or sum? im a lil stupid

[pale pumice]

in the "properties" area in blender, usually lower-right. Select the object then go in the blue wrench tab

it's the "Object" field, pick whichever armature object you want, drag it in there.
https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/modeling/modifiers/deform/armature.html

[marble flare]

I swear Im trying you talking bout a wrench and I just ??????

Aint no wrench

[pale pumice]

Armatures don't have modifiers

it's why I said to click on the mesh objects 🙂

you tell the mesh, "use this armature for deformation"

[marble flare]

But I did click the mesh?

see

[pale pumice]

seems like you clicked an armature to me

it even says "rig" in the top of that properties box, the name of the object selected

[marble flare]

I think im losing it and so is blender

I got it now idk

[pale pumice]

pro tip: click things in the hierarchy, way easier than trying to click them in the 3D view

[marble flare]

I cant do all the parts at once?

[pale pumice]

hmm, not sure I've tried, probably not

[marble flare]

fantastic

Ok I give up idk what im doing can I just pay one of yall to do it for me

I beg I beg

[pale pumice]

go to the VRC Traders discord to commission people, you'll get spammers here. Link is in #1204490664637890580

[trim timber]

spammers and scammers hah

[marble flare]

Oh right I forgot

[pale pumice]

er, scammers

typo 🙂

[marble flare]

Yall think 10$ is enough?

They literally dont have to do anything its already weight painted they just gotta swap the rig

[trim timber]

that means doing weight painting all over again

XD

go ask in vrc traders

[marble flare]

No it doesnt?

You just gotta transfer the weights

The arms are the same

Just gotta rename the bones

and boom done

[pale pumice]

weights are in the mesh, you don't have to transfer anything

[trim timber]

so do it yourself

🤷

[marble flare]

THats literally not what I needed to do tho

Ik how to transfer the weights

Thats is quite literally...not what I asked

[trim timber]

"you don't have to transfer anything"

[marble flare]

Deadass not what I said either

They dont even gotta transfer the weights...Ill do it

[trim timber]

i'm quoting kazin not you

[pale pumice]

I'm just saying that there's no need to transfer weights here since the weights are stored in the mesh (in the vertex groups, specifically)

[marble flare]

Just swap the rig

OH

[trim timber]

-_-

[marble flare]

damn

hehehe

I knew that

Anywho

[tame burrow]

Anybody know how to fix gimbal lock on bones?

I've encountering it with 2 bones where they rotate on all 3 axes when using the rotation tool, and rotating the bone around one axis in the inspector rotates it visually around 2 axes in the scene window.

NVM I changed my Blender export settings to Primary Bone Axis -Z Axis and Secondary Bone Axis to -X and that fixed it.

[pale pumice]

You can also use the 3D cursor as your origin point too

[tardy grail]

what do I gain from having a toe bone

[oblique furnace]

When the model would be too far off the ground when there isn't a tracker affecting the foot, the foot will try to stand on its toes, rotating the foot

Though most people especially FBT people dont do this. They may just have the bone be for syncing position of some prop

[rare moon]

although toe bone has a weird issue where you'll sometimes end up standing on your tippy-toes when you should be standing flat

i've only used a toe bone twice and it's been for anthro/furry avatars where the species really makes sense to have one (kangaroo and monkey)

[heady shell]

Hey is anyone here any good at weight painting? I've gotten almost everything done but am really stuck. I would really appreciate any tips

[rare moon]

what exactly are you having issues with? most people would be scared to answer since the message makes it seem like anyone who responds should be able to answer your question, but nobody knows if they can answer it since they don't actually know what the problem is

generally it's better to just state the issue you're having first so that people are aware if they can help or not

Which message would you be more likely to respond to?

personally I'd only answer the latter, since that's a clear answer, while the first could be literally anything, so i'm not sure if i can help. This could both be the same issue, but it's about how you word your ask for help.

[heady shell]

Well I just can't seem to figure out how to properly get the blue mesh her to properly weight paint and move with the skeleton

[heady shell]

it just never moves as it should

I'm able to get the helmet, kneepads, and boots no problem. I just cant figure out the torso

[heady shell]

@rare moon I hope that helps

[rare moon]

honestly for the torso i try to keep the weights pretty smoothed out. If you're trying to match the weightpainting from a base model though, try using this tool: https://github.com/sentfromspacevr/robust-weight-transfer

[heady shell]

@rare moon hey that actually helped a good bit! Although the only thing it didnt work on was the chest armor. The skirt worked great! Do you have a recommendation for how this part should be painted for the chest bone? And also why does it not move properly now matter what weight I try to do?

or anyone else that would know

[rare moon]

try something like this

[untold prairie]

[limpid bridge]

that's a mixamo animation... not yours 😂

[trim timber]

🐟

[crystal nova]

i'm making rebecca from cyberpunk edgerunners and have her metal arms on but have no clue how to rig them to move with my fingers correctly because the actual hands are smaller

[pale pumice]

If you're replacing the hands, just redo the hand rigs. If these are going to be optional add-on, I'd probably rig the cyber hands separately and use rotation constraints to copy the human hand rotations.

[wintry jetty]

think i set up the hair bones okay? doing physbones for the ears as well so i have 2 different roots

[coarse harness]

hey can someone please help me

[pale pumice]

with....?

[coarse harness]

my fingers are looking really bad in unity and idk what to do

[pale pumice]

low-rez pic, not sure what "bad" means

[coarse harness]

here's how they look in blender for comparison

[coarse harness]

it's going in on itself and is stretched

I don't really know how to describe it

[pale pumice]

yeah I'm really not sure I even see what you mean in these pics, they're low-res and there's a lot going on that isn't fingers

[coarse harness]

I'm really trying to take pics but idk how to really show it

does this help at all?

[pale pumice]

not really? I don't know what I'm even looking at there. If that mess is fingers maybe the answer is to weight paint it better?

[coarse harness]

probably, I tried using automatic weights and fixed it up a bit but idk

[coarse harness]

yeah the mess is supposed to be fingers but idk what I'm doing wrong in the weight paint

[coarse harness]

@pale pumice sorry for the tag I just need some help with this

[pale pumice]

a) fix model is for MMD models, I'm not sure why you'd use it here

b) while in weight paint mode, select a bone and rotate it around, making sure the mesh moves how you want it to. Adjust paint if necessary.

c) there's no way I can tell you how it should be weight painted just by looking at an image

oh d) move each and every bone to see how it moves and adjust. I like to start from the end and work my way back up because parents move children too.

[trim timber]

yeah, it can break avatars that aren't MMD (that's made more clear in unofficial cats). Using this buttom for fbx models can break them

[coarse harness]

should I just delete the skeleton and restart? I don't know what to do

[pale pumice]

why? It looks reasonable

[coarse harness]

my fault. I fixed it

I got excited and typed all caps

[tropic atlas]

I was wondering if anyone had a solution to the problem of objects constrained to the head disappearing in the mirror and camera clone of your avi on the local client.

[wary crow]

was this caused by the arm bones being weighted to the entire hand, aswell as anything beyond instead of ending at the joints?

[coarse harness]

So it was a problem with the weights yes but I can’t really pinpoint it specifically. Basically tried automatic weights and ended up flubbing it because of an issue with assigning it (I got an error but I didn’t really mess with it, I thought it was fine) but I fixed it and in turn fixed the model somewhat

I do wanna say that the model does appear pretty gnarly on quest, the head is all messed up and it moves pretty weird, but I don’t wanna focus on it right now until I’m done with my current model I’m working on

[wary crow]

For the limbs weights, did you give each bone full influence over the entire limb segment, or did you blend the influence around the joints so each bone primarily controlled only its immediate area?

is that intentional?

[wary crow]

Well it looks like the problem is that the weights for each bone go to every limb segment beyond the limb segment it’s meant to actually control

[sharp ferry]

So I reimported a FBX for an avatar to add the clothing to my avatar without having a second armature attached. Whenever I enter play mode, it just looks like this. Is there a setting that will fix this?

It might be something wrong with blender's import/export settings? I'm not sure what the problem would be though

[pale pumice]

what'd you set "Apply Scalings" to? If not "FBX All", try that.

[sharp ferry]

Resulted in this

[pale pumice]

probably you'll need to redo the rig setup

[rose thicket]

Mf became a pretzel.

[lavish cliff]

#avatar-help message this was the same issue, i suspect

[sharp ferry]

Hmm. I can ask the model creator. It's an edit on the novabeast, and I took the FBX and loaded it into blender. I remember I had to fiddle with the import settings because the bones weren't pointing in the right directions. That could be the problem

[lavish cliff]

If you've changed all of the bone rotations, you almost certainly need to reset the humanoid avatar

it's a simple fix; see the conversation i linked

[green oar]

Man how the balls do I fix this? I've been on Blender for the better part of like 12 hours.

[pale pumice]

how did you get here?

Looks like bad weight paint but are you at that stage yet?

[green oar]

I have tried everything.

Literaally everything you can imagine and it just won't work.

[pale pumice]

Okay, but that doesn't help me know what to suggest

[split ermine]

Hey guys! I was recently trying to rig my own avatar but I am finding it quite tricky. I am currently working on Blender 4.4. If anybody has some helpful tips that they can throw at me, that would be most appreciated. Thank you guys!

[trim timber]

are the lightbulbs supposed to move like wrists?

it'd just use a humanoid for that
not every bone needs weight painting
you could easily do most of the stuff for the head, maybe chest too
wrists for lightbulbs
the rest not weight painted but bones need to exist

i think that could work

[split ermine]

Basically those lightbulb looking nubs are the disembodied hands. They kinda just float on their own

Basically I tried one bone for the hand and one bone per hand. But they wouldnt move still even after applying automatic weights

[pale pumice]

should be easy enough to do with a humanoid rig, just weight paint the light bulbs to the hand bones. Automatic weights probably won't help you here.

[outer wolf]

I'm learning how to rig models from Blender, but I think there are some problems.

[nova shard]

remove the weightpaint from the leg on the arm/shoulder/hand/finger bones and check that nothing on the arm is weightpaint to other bones then the arm bones

it'll move wonky if the mesh sections are weightpaint to more then one bone that dont share the same parents/are close to each other

[wary crow]

For characters that are made of floating rigid parts you should probably not try to apply automatic weights, instead only weight to the bone you want to effect the mesh and paint everything you want to move completely red

[brisk peak]

Hello
@split ermine

Am just kinda bored in my studio and I thought of adding new friends to talk with hope you're cool with it tho

Actually I'm a skilled 3d artist,I do model 3d custom vrchat avatar from scratch perhaps you might be interested in commissioning someone to help you create a 3d custom characters for your vrchat??

[robust nymph]

There is a server for commissions. Advertising here is frowned upon. You’re making people think you’re a scammer.

[trim timber]

yup yup

[outer wolf]

true

[nova shard]

thats 100% a bot or scammer account, its only a few weeks old + has random model in blender as pfp + poor grammar/english. the full trifecta 🥀

[wary crow]

Combo of red flags, also the person was trying to make their own avatar, they likely don’t need to commission anyone

[sly blaze]

can someone help me figure out how to rig a model as a first time avatar creator??

[limpid bridge]

"i am just kinda bored in my studio" what human would ever say that 💀

[willow wagon]

Who owns a studio in this economy?

[trim timber]

YouTube tutorials are your friend. Also check the pinned messages here

[nova berry]

Yo I have an avatar that needs rigging can anyone do the honors

[pale pumice]

Head over to the VRC Traders discord to commission people, link is in #1204490664637890580

[boreal fable]

anyone know how to update VRCSDK

[trim timber]

in the creator companion there's a button

[swift knoll]

Hey got a question, would I need bones for any like a tail,
-# I had looked at some references and it showed to add bones on the tail and ears, basically phybones I think, but the avatar bone viewer I looked at doesn't show the bones in the tail or ears
Update on what I mean, would I need bones pre built into my model for phybones
I answered my own question by reading

[swift knoll]

Is this good armature

[pale pumice]

I don't see shoulder bones - VRchat requires them.

[swift knoll]

Oh thank you, do you have any references I can look at
For placement

[pale pumice]

pinned in here

[swift knoll]

This may be just my beginner luck, or my ego,
But I was told weight painting is so much harder than it actually is
And if I manually do it instead of using the automatic weights it's so much faster
Because for some reason if I use automatic it connects my leg bone to part of my head

[pale pumice]

I've never had any good luck with automatic weights.

[trim timber]

same

[wary crow]

yeah, I find it one of the more fun parts, being able to just paint and see stuff start moving

[swift knoll]

Honestly I'm going to agree, it's surprisingly fun and it's also pretty damn easy

And it's so surprising with how easy it is because this is only my 10th model
And it's my first time rigging and weight painting too

[wary crow]

I think the pain of weight painting usually comes from needing to make the topology in a way that deforms well

But if you know how to do that then it’s not really a problem

[swift knoll]

For me I just watched a like 2 minutes tutorial and I figured out how to have the topology set good

I could probably do a lot better if I had more experience but still this is me early early on

[wary crow]

I’m curious how it looks

[pale pumice]

I like it until I'm spending an hour trying to get one small part to fit without clipping 🙂

[swift knoll]

Oh I just saw this wait a few secs

I'mma send the model
And then it's going to take a bit longer to get a image of the armature

I'm trying to figure out how I turn off the name s

and here's some older images

[wary crow]

now im curious if you plan on having a flapping animation

i rarely see people doing those

[swift knoll]

Maybe, i don't know how well I can animate
And if I'm not good, I could probably get a friend of mine to do it

[limpid bridge]

that's because it may be difficult to animate

most people who make vrchat avatars do not specialize in animation, and so may not know how to animate, aside from 1-frame animations (toggles, etc)

[wary crow]

I spent a bit of time figuring out simple animations for wings in blender, and I found it was surprisingly easy, I don’t know, maybe just me…

[limpid bridge]

does anybody know how to fix this? the neck goes weird when i look down
(left: the issue im experiencing
right: how it looks by default when not looking down)

[brazen island]

probably too much of a back of the head is painted to the head bone, add more neck?

[undone bough]

The neck bone is too long

Weight painting of the neck seems to be high possibly on the back like Most mentioned

[rare moon]

weight painting is easy. Weight painting is only hard if you have bad topology, which beginners often have, meaning they think it's difficult

[swift knoll]

That's also something I don't get how anyone has any issues doing, you just basically make sure your stuff has circles or ovals and that means you'll have good topology

[rare moon]

well i will say, it's much easier with robots

[swift knoll]

I had already figured it out

[rare moon]

oh alright

[rare moon]

since they have lots of separate pieces, you don't have to make many areas deform

[swift knoll]

I've been doing some other models that aren't related to VR chat and helping a few of my friends with their stuff and it's still pretty easy
And even then my model does have some parts that are supposed to bend so I do still have to do those and it's not hard for me

[rare moon]

@swift knoll

here's how i have my shoulder bones set up

[rare moon]

yeah it's hoenstly pretty easy, just need good topo :]

from my N avatar

ignore some of the weird stuff like the screen and all weapons being on lol

[swift knoll]

Ooooo,
I love that, is it going to be public?

[rare moon]

it is public already, i'll send you a link

i made him a few months ago

https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_1c310cfd-5a1e-4544-b188-d377518e342c

[swift knoll]

Surprised I haven't already found that one, I'll probably give it to one of my friends cuz he absolutely loves n

[rare moon]

yeah he's got working weapons and stuff

all outfits, a bunch of screen toggles, wing puppets, and he has face tracking compatibility if you or any of your friends have that

[swift knoll]

I got to figure out how to make my blender stop crashing whenever I have Discord open

[rare moon]

he's on gumroad too if you want to customize him but the public version is the same as the gumroad version (aside from advertising the gumroad in the menu), it's just if you want the files

[swift knoll]

I'm just going to be typing on my phone for the rest of this

[rare moon]

you can change how much memory blender is alloted iirc, that might help

[swift knoll]

I ain't got no money so I can't get it

[rare moon]

no worries i'm just letting you know it's out there, but the public version again has all the features already anyways

hope you have fun with it! I wear him a lot lol

one of my favorite avis i've made

and i'm planning on making uzi sometime soon

[swift knoll]

Because you mentioned the gumroad thing it was making me remember about how the community I came from before VRchat it's very protective over anything that they make so they don't even like sell their creations
So I have to adapt to of this entirely new thing for me

[rare moon]

oh people can be very gatekeep-y here, i just like sharing things

[swift knoll]

If you ever make Cyn
-# specifically the one that has the human skin on it I forgot the name
Please tell me

[rare moon]

honestly most of my public avatars i give the files for free if people ask for them

[rare moon]

honestly i probably will make cyn as well at some point, both before and after she "possesses" tessa

if you like fpe, omori, ghost and pals, or the owl house i have a bunch of avatars from each of those that i've made

i mostly make public avis from media that i like

usually cartoon style

[swift knoll]

It's much worse on RR where most people won't even be willing to teach methods to make things
I've had quite a few people threaten me over me trying to figure out their systems because they wouldn't show me how it works
-# and these systems were like really basic things like player grabbing, and basic physics
So far on this game people are fine teaching me literally anything or giving me access to proper tools or better resources

[rare moon]

i also have a few one-off characters i've made from shows I like but just haven't gotten around to making more, like Alastor from HH or Entrapta from SPoP

[rare moon]

i do not understand that mentailty tbh

[swift knoll]

I really want more like good looking low poly avatars to exist
So it's honestly cool talking to someone that's currently doing that

[rare moon]

yeah i make low poly avis too

low poly and cartoon style

[rare moon]

even if i'm making money off of something, I'll still tell people how I did it

I just love sharing these kinds of things

I'm also a big fan of avatar gimmicks/interactable props, so I try to include those in avatars when I can

[rare moon]

if you ever need tips are anything feel free to reach out

[swift knoll]

That reminds me about these 3 murder drones avatars that interact with each other I don't remember the Creator's name
But like I could be on N and use the laser cannon at one of the other ones and it would shoot hearts instead of the laser

And I honestly cannot wait to figure out how that works it's just I'm not at that stage where I can do that right now
I need to make my avatar before I start doing stuff in unity

[swift knoll]

Can I friend you?
-# I'm asking this because most people I know are kind of finicky on who they friend

[rare moon]

ooh that probably uses contacts. So the laser beam has a long contact receiver on it, and then the V avatar has a sender around the whole avatar. So if they are touching, it switches the laser beam to shoot hearts instead

[rare moon]

yeah ofc!

[swift knoll]

Anyways I'm going to go back to weight painting cuz I'm still doing that

My dumbass just rigged all of the Left wing to the right

[swift knoll]

Wings are finally done

[rare moon]

btw once you have this in unity, lmk if you need help with setting up the wing rig

[swift knoll]

I will probably need help because I have no clue what a wire rig is
-# I'm dyslexic

[rare moon]

i have a setup for mine that makes it really easy to control since it uses just the bones for the "arms" of the wings, and two control points for the blades/feathers

[rare moon]

the wing rig, not wire

[swift knoll]

Oh yay I love not being able to read

[rare moon]

I used a constraint setup that just makes it way way easier to move the wings

so you can add animations and physbones super easily

[swift knoll]

Now it's time for me to figure out how to do my textures

[static parcel]

Do avatars with multiple limbs really need separate armatures to move them? I was hoping to keep a low mesh count

[wary crow]

I’m pretty sure you could just have them be on the same armature then either animate them or constrain them, you don’t need multiple armatures

[static parcel]

Neat! I was looking for tutorials on it, and they always seemed to have the extra set of arms as their own rigged model

[rare moon]

meshes and armatures are separate things. Also they do not need to have their own armature, just their own bones (which can be part of the main armature)

[pale pumice]

Extra arms using the same bones as the main ones is awkward because the bones aren't in the right place, so they won't move right with just weight paint. Rigging those separately and using constraints is a better method.

Definitely does not need to be a whole separate armature though

[static parcel]

This little bug guy's arms are too small and out of place for the player, so my plan was to have them copy the player's invisible arms

They'd never line up for any interaction with objects, but they'd at least allow for simple gestures?

[pale pumice]

Yeah I'd use constraints for this.

[static parcel]

👍

[rare moon]

yeah, just mak sure the bones are parented correctly (it looks like the lower ones should be on the spine, not the chest) and join your objects all together into one mesh

[static parcel]

Oh, it's on purpose since they're so far down the body

[rare moon]

since the are so far down on the body, they seem to be parented wrong

it's currently following the red line, but i'd think the green line would make more sense

[static parcel]

Oh sorry I misread

[outer wolf]

idk why the bones CAN'T STAND WHERE I WANT

[arctic sundial]

Have a look at the transforms of your mesh and armature object, they likely differ and upon merge, their transform are lined up (whats 0 for one is not 0 for the other). You can fix this by applying transforms to each object.

[kindred gyro]

do you guys knows how to rig chain that attached to the hand and wings?

[balmy delta]

You cant rig loops but if that wing is just floating there then just put a chain of bones

[kindred gyro]

the wings is floating, but how? do you mean i should make it from the arm?

[balmy delta]

If the wing isnt attached to the back or anything then itd just be the end of the chain

[oblique forge]

who can do rigging dont care about the price i just need a model done

or well atp may as ell commision the whole avatar 💀

[trim timber]

don't ask for comms here, scammers lurking. Go to VRC Trades #1204490664637890580