avatar-rigging

[slim inlet]

i did figure it out last week; the problem was the positioning of the hands in edit mode. appreciate it though!

[somber cliff]

I fixed my earlier issue. Now my new issue is, my model doesn't line up with the origin in unity. Is this an issue I have to fix in blender?

[somber cliff]

So uhh, how do I fix the weight painting in the feet?

[pale pumice]

@astral plaza no I meant for you to actually click the link I posted, it goes to a pinned message in here that shows you what this ought to look like

it wasn't only "wrong channel, bub" 🙂

[astral plaza]

Ohh oops

[pale pumice]

here is the right place though

[pale pumice]

if you haven't watched a tutorial on weight painting, do that. It's hard to say more than "paint them more to the right bones"

[astral plaza]

okay got it i might restart the armature because the body that i got already had the armature

thats my problem

[pale pumice]

weight painting time 🙂

[astral plaza]

meaning tutorial on weight painting lol

[pale pumice]

it's so much fun though!

(this is satire)

[astral plaza]

do you have a reccomended video for it?

[pale pumice]

I don't, sorry

[astral plaza]

all good

[astral plaza]

ok so i got the foot to stop doing that without weigh painting

i can also move the toes jus not the bottom part of the foot

and i gotta figure out teh shoe

godd amitr

[astral plaza]

got a problem where shoe does not move with the foot what do i do?

[pale pumice]

make sure the shoes object has an armature modifier on it, pointing to the avatar's armature, and then.... well, weight paint the shoes

[astral plaza]

im trying to figure out the weigh paint part but theres no armature modifier on the shoes

[pale pumice]

you can just add one

[astral plaza]

alright let me search it up

[pale pumice]

just select the object, go to the modifiers area (blue wrench) and add a new one

[astral plaza]

oh wiat it does have one

[pale pumice]

oh good

[astral plaza]

so i click teh orange armature then weigh paint that?

[pale pumice]

in object mode, select the avatar's armature, then also select the object you want to weight paint, then go into weight paint mode.

[astral plaza]

for some reasno weigh paint isnt doing anything

sigh i dont know what im doing

[pale pumice]

making progress, it looks like

[astral plaza]

yeah but it does not wanan work on the other foot

[pale pumice]

I usually have mirroring on for this

[astral plaza]

i genuinly dont know what jus happpen xd

[pale pumice]

neat, looks like you switched display mode. I'm guessing those are vertex colors, possibly just material colors.

I mean, like colored for just the in-blender view in studio lighting mode.

[astral plaza]

yeah i jus dont understand how weigh painting the shoes is gon make it move with the feet

foot

[pale pumice]

You're telling it which vertices to move along which which bone, and how much

[astral plaza]

ohh i see

[fading verge]

symmetrize doesnt spawn bone on the right axis

and i alreayd rotated the model multiple times in object mode

in blender

[astral plaza]

how can i fix this i tried weigh painting it subtracting it but it doesnt seem like it does anything

i dont know what i did

everything is mesed up now

nvm

i gotta connect the armatures together so it moves right

[fading verge]

cat blender plug in doesnt work

i gete error

when installing

[pale pumice]

Probably newer blender than the version of the plugin supports. Search in #avatar-help for 'cats' and I bet you'll find a link to the latest one. I know I've shared it more than once in there.

[fading verge]

how do i get out of transparent mode?

[pale pumice]

one of the options in the view stuff at the upper-right of the viewport - really depends on which mode you're in

[fading verge]

i fixed it

how to select all connected ? 'L' doesnt do it for me

[pale pumice]

l or ctrl+l

that's pretty dense topology there

[fading verge]

only selects a triangle

yes dense

[pale pumice]

then you have seams or unconnected parts

[fading verge]

head is one piece

is there a way to figure this out?:

[ocean sable]

if anyone uses the cats plug in which boxes do i check or uncheck before merging armatures? I am trying to put a head and body base together

[strange peak]

how do i make it so i can get around the three spine bone rule because my avatar only has hips, torso, and neck. and i know theres ways to get around it i just have no clue how.

[pale pumice]

you don't, you add the missing bones, even if they don't really do anything

[strange peak]

how fun

[arctic sundial]

No big deal, just subdiv the spine, dupe the spine vertex group and gradient out the overlap

[astral plaza]

what shall i do with t his

[pale pumice]

Fix the incorrect weight painting

Looks like a bunch of verts didn't get painted properly to the right leg

[mild comet]

I've tried fixing the legs bending out to the sides but I can't seem to figure out what's causing the issue at this point. I also made sure that the transforms for both legs match up

[fickle quartz]

I come with new questions. Its the gift that keeps on giving.
How would...I make the end of a chain of phys bones snap to another bone?

[pale pumice]

you could attempt a constraint on it, but I hear this jittery and buggy

[fickle quartz]

So, if my hand leaves or enters a predefined zone, the end of the tendril armature snaps to the location of my hand and tracks the hand and its orientation. Then once it leaves that zone, it snaps back to its default.

The hand it picks is whichever hand enters the zone first if both my hands move in.

The later can just be done with animator state. No transition between left/right targeting. It can only transition to the opposing hand when the target hand leaves the zone.

But the whole...snap to the hand position/orientation is giving me trouble.

[fickle quartz]

Good news is: I did get the snapping thing to work. Bad news is that the parameter is bugging out in bizarre ways.

It attempts to update only when the contact sender leaves the interior of the receiver.

No updates when it enters, only when it exits. Meaning it gets stuck at 0 if it ever exits.

[pale pumice]

oh weird

[fickle quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/950496008754843648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Could it be something with the size of the sender and receiver?

The receiver is huge, but the sender is tiny

So maybe its freaking out because the sender never intersects with the origin of the receiver?

[pale pumice]

unless you have it set to proximity, it only cares about entering the outer radius

[fickle quartz]

No, it just full on bricks in proximity mode

Goes to zero, and stays at zero forever.

At least constant starts out correctly.

How accurate is gesture manager to in-game behavior?

Could it just be a bug in gesture manager that goes away in-game?

[violet girder]

so im making a three headed cerberus does anybody know how i would go about applying lip sync to all three heads instead of it only working on the main head

[nova shard]

if you're using blendshapes then just change the normal vieseme blendshapes to effect all three heads rather then just the one head's mouth

[violet girder]

how would i go about doing that?

[pale pumice]

You can only use one mesh for visemes, so you either have to join the heads into the same mesh, or fully animate the blendshapes yourself using the Viseme parameter.

[pale walrus]

can I have help with this, it isn't weight painting correctly

this is the .blend

and the model

[pale pumice]

can you describe the issue?

[pale walrus]

hold on

example, this is weight painted but this is base rigging

also the model is for nintendo wii

so it doesn't have a really high poly count

[pale pumice]

ok so..... what do you need help with?

[pale walrus]

the hands stretching

when rigged

[pale pumice]

your armature modifiers don't specify the armature, this isn't going to work properly

hip bone is upside down

[pale walrus]

ok

[pale pumice]

the body doesn't actually seem weight painted at all

[pale walrus]

I mean't to say not weight painted

[pale pumice]

oh

ok.... so again, what do you need help with here?

[pale walrus]

I will see, I am gonna try to fix it up again though

[pale pumice]

huh actually it is weight painted, it's just that the vertex groups in the mesh objects are named with very generic bone names, not matching any of the bones in the armature

You could probably figure out what's what and rename those all and it'll work

[pale walrus]

ok

[hidden rose]

Im trying to build a model in blender but whenever i "fix model" to combine the head with body it throws me this error? O.o help anyone?

[pale pumice]

could just select head, then body, ctrl + J to join them

[hidden rose]

Tysm!!

I didnt know abt that shortcut lol

Can i also do that for clothes?

[pale pumice]

you can join whatever kinds of objects you want

[hidden rose]

Awesome ty 🤗

[pale pumice]

I mean, multiples of the same type - can't join a curve with a mesh, for example

[hidden rose]

Curve with a mesh?

[pale pumice]

the cats one does other things as well as this join, so it's not a perfect match, but it depends a lot on what your goal is

[hidden rose]

Im just trying to put a avi together for myself lol - i bought a body and head and clothes and i got these errors sadly

I appreciate the help

[wheat crater]

heyy so im sure theres plenty of documentation on this sort of thing but i was hoping someone had just a quick tip on how to rig this so it moves similar to other spider-like avis? i assume most of it would be done in unity but i wanted to know while im still in tha blender phase

[boreal forge]

Hello, I have a dress that isn't quite made for my base, it has an already existing armature and parts on it to make the dress part flowy, is there a way that I can data transfer the top part in blender and ignore the part with the flowy dress?

[hasty elm]

Look at the spider anatomy and rig as you see

[fluid rapids]

what i’d do is lock the vertex groups that the has the floslt dress parts. ( eg skirt) and then you can data transfer over the top of that + get rid of all the other vertex groups you don’t need

[hollow quartz]

Probably has something to do with parent constraints? But honestly no idea

[pale pumice]

looooots of rotation constraints

and a lot of custom animation probably

[brazen island]

what, its just FinalIK isnt it?

[pale pumice]

that's a very good way too, yep

[wheat crater]

i was suggested finalik and i think im gonna opt for that lol entirely custom animation would drive me crazy

[pale pumice]

likely

[rare moon]

custom animation for that shouldn't be too difficult, if you make an IK setup in blender you can easily animate the legs at the same time in a walking motion, then just select each leg that you want to offset and offset it

like for example on a humanoid (two legs) you could animate the legs doing the exact same motion at the same time, so it would look like it's hopping, then you select the leg bones for one leg and offset them by half the length of the animation

i do this often also for things like tails wagging where i want each bone to have a slight delay

super easy way to animate a wagging tail:

1. position tail to the side and keyframe
2. copy pose, move to new frame, paste pose x-flipped and keyframe
3. copy original frame and paste same distance from new frame
4. select keyframes and press shift + E > make cyclic
5. select all bones except the first in the chain, move the keyframes by a set amount in the timeline, I usually do 2 frames (press G, X, 2, Enter)
6. repeat step 5 while removing the selected bone closest to the base each time until there are none left

[steady tinsel]

Hi, I just wanted to ask the experts of blender if this looks right. this is my first time rigging and I'm trying to learn, I'm currently working on the finger bones so they look broken here.

[pale pumice]

There's a pin in this channel that's a good reference, but that looks pretty nice

I think you'll want to straighten the feet though

[wintry jetty]

hey ive been using resonite for creating avatars and as a platform for a while. my friend who plays vrc asked me to create a character for her.
im curious if vrc has similar reqirements whent it comes to labeling bones for the purposes of rigging and how i should label them for an optimal rig

[pale pumice]

it's not vrchat that guesses which bone is which but Unity, so the Unity docs would apply here

[wintry jetty]

could you provide me a link to said docs. that would be very helpful for me

[pale pumice]

not offhand, I'd have to search

[wintry jetty]

okay

[pale pumice]

but I don't think it matters a ton, it does a lot of it just based on position in the hierarchy

[celest bridge]

in blender 2.79 there was a button in edit/weight paint mode called "limit selection to visible". when toggled, it let you see all the verts through the mesh, and not just the ones immediately visible. this made weight painting easier, as you could just weight paint through something, etc.

where the hell is this functionality in 3.5? because the "toggle xray" button that supposedly does the same thing, doesnt do shit

[wintry jetty]

hmm maybe do the rigging work in 2.79? you can downloud the older versions of blender. export it as a .fbx and reimport it into the newer versions when youre done

im still using 2.79 though i really should start to use the newer versions some day

[pale pumice]

hmm yeah I'm not seeing anything like this, trying to play with various opacity settings and such but nothing seems to do what you want

I did just now discover I can fade the bones out while having them showing, which is really nice and I'm not sure why I hadn't found it until now

[celest bridge]

I ended up finding it. it's a setting you need to enable

[pale pumice]

where?

[celest bridge]

in weight paint mode, uncheck this, and set the other to projected

[pale pumice]

it doesn't seem to do anything visually though?

definitely does paint through, but that I already knew could be done

[wise gull]

hello can anyone give me a tutorial on how to rig outfit assets to a very busty avatar if you know please dm me

[orchid echo]

Unity assigns Humanoid armatures automatically in a turbo cursed infuriating way where it takes weight painting into account, of all things. You should be fine so long as you are straightforwardly weight painted. Even if you wind up with a rig that confuses the auto assign function, you can manually assign yourself during .fbx import.

It means dragging each of your bones into their boxes, during this part of setup. But you’ll be fine.

[wintry jetty]

i use blender. i never used unity in my life.

[orchid echo]

Right. You can use Blender without worrying. You were worried about transitioning from Blender to Unity, right?

You don’t need to worry so long as your model is weight painted normally. Humanoid import from Blender to Unity is less about naming conventions and more about having a Humanoid shape and complete weight painting.

Unity does not “care” what your bones are named, so you can’t just give them “correct names.” You have to be shaped Humanoid (hierarchy of bones is human shaped) and you have to be weight painted.

I run into trouble with my weird rigs because my Humanoid skeleton is not weight painted to my mesh, and there is nothing that I can name the bones which will make Unity automatically accept my armature as Humanoid. /:(

[next matrix]

Hi I have a question, is there any way to make a rig strap so that both ends of the bone chain are fixed in the same place? I haven't found a way that works for VRChat. I'm working in Blender

[pale pumice]

no, best you could do is one bone chain in the middle, or two coming together in the middle

[next matrix]

Thanks for the answer

[pale pumice]

it'd be cool if you could "pin" the ends of two chains together with a constraint though

[next matrix]

I'm just about to test this method

[brazen island]

you cant, each chain will behave as if theres no constraint and then the final transfrom will stretch to constrained position without any regard to physbone physics.

[rare moon]

rotation constraints + physbones may be a good way to fake it

i'm thinking maybe a chain in the middle (not weighted to anything) and then maybe a chain on each side converging at the middle with rotation constraints using the chain in the middle as a source

[chrome rampart]

I need a big favor. Can someone re-rig a videogame character for me? :')

Unless it is possible for the existing rig to work okay.

I was told by someone else who worked with Overwatch models that they struggled with the bone hierarchy. Is it not possible to fix the hierarchy to work with vrc/unity?

[nova shard]

i found it to be quicker to just make a whole new armature and weights then trying to fix the OW rigs to work for vrchat

[next matrix]

I have tried many variants, with and without constraints, but apparently it is impossible to do this, in any variant starts this shaking

[rough snow]

you could do a simple version with 2 phys bones and really smooth vertex groups

[next matrix]

Thanks to everyone who helped!

[thin raven]

Holy shit homestuck pfp

[orchid echo]

You can use inside-out colliders and physbones for this. Create an empty, put it on the middle of the gun. Now put a physbone script on it, adjust the offsets so it goes from gun to strap (so, sticking out 90 degrees from the gun, kinda coke can sized). Give it a regular collider, nice and fat. This is the physbone that will swing the strap. Give it an end offset or whatever so it still works as just an empty.

Make another empty gameobject, set it as a child of the first one. Put a tiny physbone collider on it, check the box that says inside-out. You should wind up with a small inside-out collider swinging around on the physbone from before (probably need to set the first physbone to Ignore this empty).

Now rig the strap (in Blender) to two bones (I’d do single ones, not chains). One for each half of the strap. Rig them so that by default they point to the same place as your inside out collider is gonna be in Unity.

In Unity, put phys bone scripts on the strap bones, so they collide with the inside out collider. Don’t make them grabbable, only make the one from before with the tiny inside out collider on the end of it grabbable. Like this they’ll always point to the inside out collider, the only way to do any better than this is with IK scripts

Basically, combine @rough snow’s suggestion with an inside-out collider to keep them connected in the middle. Put all your physics and momentum on the inside-out collider’s physbone.

If the parts where the straps attach to the gun start to give you trouble, you can refine your rig a little by adding a second couple of bones per half, close to the gun, and having these on partial rotation constraints to your inside-out collider physbone.

I’m a big fan of inside out collision as bargain bin IK.

lol wait I got mixed up who was trying it

[astral quest]

when I enter play my armature shrinks way up like this, any fix?

[left vector]

Been having an issue where on play, the legs would not be animated with the ik rig in Unity. Checked multiple times in the configure and made sure the bones were assigned in the rig, the bones would clearly move when it goes into the "motorcycle pose" when entering the muscles settings, but when I hit play to test with gesture manager, they won't move. I could even pose them, which I know you can't normally do to IK bones during play. Any help?

[left vector]

This is how it looks in AFK, (ignore the fingers). They use a digi-legs setup, but even when I tried to work with them like standard feet, they wont move.

[somber cliff]

I decided to mess with the Tutorial bot in blender, so I rigged it with CATS and...uhh...what's this huge bone?

...what is even happening here

[pale pumice]

you'd have to go into edit mode and click on it to see the bone name

it's probably that the process took a guess at what to do

[limpid bridge]

i believe that's the bone for the button that is on the chest

[somber cliff]

oooh

[indigo nacelle]

how do I make a blinking blendshape that doesnt clip through the eye?

[balmy delta]

just warp it around the eye?

[indigo nacelle]

I dont know how to do that. Is there a way to make shape keys that are non linear?

[balmy delta]

you can just move the eyelids forward when making the blendshape

[indigo nacelle]

I did

it still clips

[balmy delta]

or also just slide the eyes back slightly

[indigo nacelle]

the eyes are on bones though

that might cause issues

[rare moon]

no, but you could add a shapekey that moves the eyelid out a bit and animate the blinking so that as the lids close, they also move out and back in

you could also just use bones

[indigo nacelle]

I'll try that

[slender mural]

Hi, idk if this is the correct place to ask about this but, im going trough the "biker pose" bug, ive tried making a copy of the avi when it is on tpose but then my menus dont work, any help?

[pale pumice]

you can reset your avatar with Pumkin's avatar tools

[slender mural]

omg i was just about to start from scratch tyvm

<3

[tired marten]

So I'm hoping I can find someone to teach me how to rig a cape in blender, ideally over a screenshare as I am a visual learner.

[modest eagle]

man i havent felt this defeated in a loooong time chat

feel like i might be hittin a barrier with my talents here

but i cant find ANY good documentation on how to make an actually good leg-pelvis connection that doesnt look like garbage at specific angles

i THOUGHT i had a solution with s ome corrector bones i set up myself but no it just

only helps with one specific rotation

n dont even get me STARTED on the pelvis just protruding when the legs are bent forward

so

can anyone help me with this? please?

(i know bout twist bones and i know how to set those up but im talkin bout like

making the connection between the thighs n pelvis not garbage

[pale pumice]

honestly it's probably not about the bones, but about the mesh topology. this is hard, definitely.
I like models which have a "butt bone", that you use a constraint to move along with the upper leg but only about 20%, to control shaping of the behind muscles

[rare moon]

I would say to not be afraid of clipping. Clipping will usually just look like squishing. If you really really don't want any clipping, you can always use corrective blendshapes, but those are a pain to setup.

[fierce rose]

^ this is basically it right here. Some clipping is good, actually (:

[livid cave]

Yeah some can be good, but in this case that thigh movement it too exaggerated. You could always smooth the normals so it doesnt look sharp. But what I can say it that you would have to either refine the topology or add constraints into the rig for finer bending.

[amber mantle]

setting up rotation constraints; is there any way to make both objects on the left follow the rotation of the object on the right?

ie, the one on the right is rotated 45 degrees, so then the cube on the left and its child are each rotated 45 degrees on their own transform

the child otherwise just takes the rotation of its parent into account and doesn't rotate

selecting "use local space" just breaks it

i guess a better question would be: is there a way to have the child of a bone copy the same rotations as its parent?

[rare moon]

use local space is the answer, but don't enable it with the constraint locked, make sure you set the transforms to their default position, unlock the constraint, then change to "use local space". Only then you can safely lock the constraint.

[sterile orbit]

I have a hood and want to make it so ill be able to pull it down, but most of it is fully weighted to the head bone. is there a way to change what weights are active in unity? so ide have it weighted to the head when the hood is up and more weighted to the neck/upper chest when down. or if anyone else has another way theyde recommend how to do this would be appreciated. I could also duplicate the mesh and reweight and have them toggled opposite but ideally ide like to avoid adding more polys

[amber mantle]

thanks a million, just created the most ghetto octopus rig

[pale pumice]

you can't do anything with weights in Unity

[rough snow]

make another bone where the head and make it parented to the chest, then transfer the weights of the head bone on the hood to the new bone. in unity you'd put a vrc parent constraint on that bone with the head bone as a source, then you can toggle the constraint on and off along with another animation that makes to hood look pulled down (armature deform, blendshape, or both)

[nova shard]

liindy has a pretty good how-to video for making a blendshape hoodie that you can pull up and down iirc

lemme see if i can find it

[rare moon]

animated constraints. easiest way to transfer the weights to a new bone is:

1. Make sure the hoodie is it's own mesh (if it's supposed to be joined to another mesh you can join it back at the end of this)
2. Create a new bone in the same position as the head, parent it to the head and choose "keep offset". Rename the bone appropriately
3. Select the hoodie mesh in object mode, then go to the vertex data tab and find the head vertex group. Rename the vertex group to the same name as the new bone you just created.

once in unity you can smoothly animate the sources of the parent constraint on the hood

I typically do a slight variation of this, where i parent the bone to the chest, then use a rotation constraint on the head and/or neck (depends on what's necessary), then animate these sources weights based on where the hood is

[bleak coyote]

Does anyone have any tips on minimising weird deformation when rigging hips?

Rig I'm using rn

[brazen island]

uh, make it more gradual?

[sudden ginkgo]

How do I best avoid stretchable parts like ears to create gaps of nothing between the character's head and the ear when they are deformed outward a lot?

[pale pumice]

join the meshes?

[sudden ginkgo]

o!!! right, you're right, I'm silly

[pale pumice]

or, match weight paint on the closest vertices

[sudden ginkgo]

I've tried just... not selecting the very inner edge of the ear before

the tutorial I was watching was using fox ears that were a whole seperate mesh with no "bottom" but they solved it by just clipping it into the head

but I cant do that with elf or other human-like ears on the side of the head

[scenic ruin]

Quick question, to make a custom avatar, do you need a very specific rig or is this already good enough?

[pale pumice]

there's a pinned message in here with a rig example

[scenic ruin]

I'm not smart enough to judge whether this is good enough according to the example

[pale pumice]

does it look like the example?

[scenic ruin]

well no but it moves

[pale pumice]

you need it to be kinda close to the example to be humanoid, and all the bones down to hands/feet/head must be there

[scenic ruin]

thats tough cause that means i cant import the custom animations either

I have no clue how weight painting works either but I'll cross that bridge when I get there

if I want to give the ponytail and cape hair physics, do I need to add bones to those too?

[balmy delta]

you need bones for everything you want to move

[scenic ruin]

h

i have no clue how to do any of this so that's gonna be another 3 months of struggle before i give up and pay someone else to do it

[pale pumice]

it's only a struggle the first time or two, then it becomes easy 🙂

[scenic ruin]

this is my first time

so still a struggle regardless

i dont even know how to make or connect bones

thats not even to mention that I wanna make the helmet, wand and mace toggles

[pale pumice]

click a bone, 'e' to "extrude" a new bone from its tail

[scenic ruin]

But wait

Props like the helmet or the shoulder pads are child bones paired to the armature of the main body

How will that work if I have to do the entire armature from scratch

[balmy delta]

Just have the child bones be parented to the bones of the armature?

[pale pumice]

shoulder pads can just be children of the shoulder if you want it to move with, or of the chest if you want to do something fun like rotation constraints or physbones with colliders so they move less than the shoulder

I've seen it done well for big pauldrons

[scenic ruin]

But

If I have to make a new armature from scratch, wont their position be messed up on the new armature

[pale pumice]

if the mesh is in its default position, you can swap armature just fine

[balmy delta]

Or just merge

[scenic ruin]

It's not, they're snapped

[pale pumice]

then you can apply the existing armature modifier on the mesh and it'll make the current pose the default

[scenic ruin]

How do I do that

[pale pumice]

oh that video - if your model is all in parts, make sure you apply all transforms, it looks like that part is jumping back to the origin

[scenic ruin]

oh

right

[pale pumice]

re: applying the armature modifier, "apply" is an option in the little dropdown for a modifier, it makes its current state permanent

[scenic ruin]

alr done

so now what

do i just delete all the existing armature and make a new one from scratch now or is there something else i need to do first

[pale pumice]

obviously we don't have your project to really look at, but that sounds reasonable.

[scenic ruin]

I mean I can send it

[quartz bear]

damn rakion mage, good old days

[scenic ruin]

yooo you know

[scenic ruin]

Hey quick question, if I wanna rig a character with four arms, do I actually need to make extra bones for the extra arms too or can I just weight paint the 2nd set of arms the same as teh first set of arms

[pale pumice]

they won't work well with the same bones, since they have different rotation points. Rig the second set and use rotation constraints to copy the primary set's rotation

[main terrace]

why is the mesh not moving with the armature? the vertx group is set to "Middle_L", but it doesnt move with the armature in pose mode

[pale pumice]

possible lack of weight painting?

missing or incorrect armature modifier on the mesh?

[scenic ruin]

how do I do that

[main terrace]

the mesh has this armature modifier

it is a modified avatar

and the weight painting is the same as the original on unmodified parts like the hands

[pale pumice]

ah I'm not sure then

[pale pumice]

probably you will want to look up some tutorials to learn about rigging, I couldn't explain it simply in text

[scenic ruin]

I mean how do I use rotation constraint, I already rigged the second set of arms

[pale pumice]

oh okay. Just put the constraints on each of the extra arm bones using the base arm bone as the source.

[scenic ruin]

ight thanks

[main terrace]

tried parenting with automatic weights and it didnt work... possible that I simply accidentally turned it off someho- oh...

i just didnt have it displayed in the viewport

is it good to do parent with automatic weights then fix up the errors that appear from it if what I did completely broke the weights for every bone?

[main terrace]

nvm i have found the answer to that to be yes

[quartz bear]

Yes 🤣

[main terrace]

managed to get it working, except for the wrists...

the avatar has swappable paws, but the edges keep separating between the paw meshes and the body mesh

[pale pumice]

weight paint the edge vertices identical to their counterparts

iirc the data transfer modifier can do this for you too

[main terrace]

data transfer?

it is all one mesh that uses shapekeys to swap

[pale pumice]

sure but if the mesh parts are not actually connected, and you don't want them to be, separating them and using data transfer then re-joining can be an easy way to get those values correct.

[main terrace]

how do I use the data transfer modifier?

[pale pumice]

it's kinda complex, I'd read the docs on it, but there's an option for corner data in there somewhere.

(I'm not currently looking at blender)

[main terrace]

ah... hmm.. ima try putting faces between so its connected

[pale pumice]

yep, you could do that

you could also just set the weight values manually, if it's not that many vertices

[scenic ruin]

Is there an alternative to RotationConstraint that DOES work for Quest?

[rough snow]

vrc rotation constraint

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/whitelisted-avatar-components/whitelisted-avatar-components/

[scenic ruin]

Do you mean this one? cause I tried this one but it didn't do anything

[rough snow]

yeah that one should work

[scenic ruin]

???now what do these mean

nvm restarting unity fixed it somehow

[scenic ruin]

anyway it doesn't work

[rough snow]

did you add a source?

[scenic ruin]

yes, you can see that in the end of the video

[rough snow]

thats target transform

dropdown sources

[scenic ruin]

I am

Stupid

It works now lol

Thanks

Trial and error

[rough snow]

👍

[scenic ruin]

The amount of problems that I would just straight up not have if I took the time to read

[rough snow]

i read the vrchat avatar docs every night before bed like a bible /j

[pale pumice]

reading the docs is probably the most important thing people dont' do 🙂

[crude dust]

hii not sure if this goes here yet im having a werid issue with my model cri, I merged the objects together the tail and body so everythings in one obj file yet for some reason the bones work for the body yet not the tail?? any help please D:

Also yes I know the feet is messed up lmao the model isnt mine its a base im editing and im gonna replace the feets with hooves

heres the scene collection idk if its what im supposed to show yet let me know if I have to show something else (ignore the thing named just bones idk what happened yet the tail asset im using glitched out having invisible bones that MIGHT be the issue idk yet its a bug to my knowledge)

[rough snow]

Obj file? pretty sure obj files dont support vertex groups

[crude dust]

ah sorry lol im tried, the file itself was a fbx

sorry cri

[rough snow]

You have to check if the vertex groups 1. Have the same name as the bones in the tail, 2. Have any weights applied to them at all, and 3. If both seem fine, check if the bone is even set to be a deform bone

And at this stage, if the weight painting on the tail was lost, you'll have to redo it (i can give some tips if needed)

[crude dust]

yes please im new to this stuff ^^""

[rough snow]

For that i would 1. Separate the tail bones from the main armature, 2. Separate the tail from the body mesh, 3. Parent the tail to the armature with "automatic weights", then, to make sure the weights are extra smooth rather than hinge-like, 5. Pose every tail bone to any random rotation, Go into weight paint mode on the tail mesh, select any tail vertex group and go to Weights -> Smooth. Open the context menu for the smooth tool and change "Active Group" to "All Groups." Mess around with the settings until it looks smooth. Then you can rejoin the tail into the body mesh and join the tail armature into the main armature and reparent the first tail bone to what it was previously parented to (probably hips)

-# forgot to number the steps halfway through oops

[hardy sparrow]

hey is this expected behaviour? the whole body moving when I rotate the shoulder???

I'm trying to pin down why my models feet are sliding around during IK controlled animations
other avatars dont have this problem, just mine

I've already ruled out stray weights, and I've been noodling with the muscle extents and armature config in unity to try and figure this out, but having no luck

[rough snow]

i think the whole body moving is intentional, tends to happen for me any time i make a pose for a humanoid avatar

[hardy sparrow]

mkay, just trying to rule out anything I can think of, i'm stumped here

heres a few animations to hopefulyl show the problem

thought it might be the shoulder thing and just, the feet getting pulled around with the shoulders moving

[rough snow]

does it do that in vrchat?

[hardy sparrow]

yup

its like, my whole lower body from hips down is moving, When it should just be the hips, and foot IK should be keeping the feet planted

should my bones be disconnected in blender? does that make any difference?

[rough snow]

i think some state behavior can change whether the IK system is applied to the feet, i'd take a look at what's going on in the action layer when you play those emotes and read through this https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors

mainly 'Animator Locomotion Control' and 'Animator Tracking Control'

[hardy sparrow]

I mean, the IK is working, it just seems like the IKs feet bones are lower than my models feet bones, so my feet are syncing up more to the ankle, rather than the foot

[rough snow]

are you using contraints for the legs

[hardy sparrow]

nope

but these errors might be relevant, these are in the SDK builder tab

I tried correcting the angle one in blender... but I no matter what I do it still says that, I'm not sure what angle its referring to really

the tail of the hips and tail of the thigh stretch angle on the x axis?
the Y axis? that error is really vague

and the other warning is because I have butt correction bones as children of the upper leg, and blender just arbitrarily decides those should be first in the hierarchy

[rough snow]

the docs tell you everything you'd need to know about rig requirements if you'd read through them 🙂 https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/rig-requirements

[hardy sparrow]

hmm, not a fan of unpacking my avatar prefab to fix that

guess I can just make a variant, but that messes with my workflow a bit

[rough snow]

this is why i model my shit from scratch 😩

[robust crescent]

dont unpack - none of those will really break anything

to reorder lowerleg/ect just a easy rename so they are top in blender is enough

[hardy sparrow]

VRChat's IK system looks at the first child of a bone when determining the bone layout. If you have other child bones, like prop-placement bones or twist-bones in your rig, they can confuse the IK. In this particular case, the SDK is seeing that your LowerArm is not the first-listed child of your UpperArm bone.

this isn't potentially the source of my problem? my butt bones confusing the IK?

[robust crescent]

bones i want to be at bottom i just add a Z infront of them

[hardy sparrow]

I tried that, weirdly it did not fix the issue

[robust crescent]

you did that in blender right not unity

[hardy sparrow]

I renamed the butt.L/R to xbutt.L/R

yes

in blender

[robust crescent]

done it on 100's of avatars thats enough to fix that error ,

[hardy sparrow]

I'll try it again right now

[robust crescent]

if you overwrite one in scene probably need a generic > humanoid to refresh

it doesnt really break anything nor stop upload, rotation in fbt might be wierd (very rare)

you animation earlier is cause you never set tracking control on hips to be animated

then you wobble oddly

[hardy sparrow]

hmm? how do I set tracking control?

[rough snow]

🙂

[hardy sparrow]

but yea, renaming here doesn't change its position in the hierarchy

I tried this before, exported to unity, and it was still in this order

and blender simply wont let me move its position in the hierarchy
even if I unparent and reparent the bones in various orders

butt is always first x_x

[robust crescent]

wont move in blender, unity it will

[hardy sparrow]

nuh uh, again I tried

[robust crescent]

Just did one

but again this wont fix your wobbly animation

set tracking control on animation or before it to animation, back to tracking when its done

[hardy sparrow]

yea, I'm looking into the action layer thing as Neiryl suggested, but I'm a little unsure of where to do this

I'm using VRCFury, so it sets this action layer on play/build
but what layer do I add the tracking control to?

also, it seems this is a throwaway action layer since I'm using default

surprises me that VRCFurys default action layer setup doesnt already have animator tracking control

trying to change tracking controls on various animations to tracking or animation rather than no change, but it seems to be having 0 effect

Any ideas? I'm trying various things, but I'm kinda fumbling around, I dont know where to add these tracking controls for them to actually work with VRCFury

also how do I fix this for animations not played from my avatar?

[hardy sparrow]

and mine is from scratch xD

[rough snow]

-# maybe i misunderstand what unpacking a prefab means lmao

[hardy sparrow]

It means unbinding it from the asset, it will no longer be the fbx I export from blender, but a new fbx that exists within the scene, I think?

Which will cause problems later if I want to make any changes to the armature in blender and have those changes reflected in unity

Still no closer to fixing my feet wobbling problem though, nothing I’m trying is having any noticeable affect

This can’t be that uncommon of an issue

[rough snow]

i see, thanks for the explanation.

[rare moon]

when you import an fbx in unity it creates a prefab file out of it. When you drag the fbx into the scene, it gives you a prefab referencing the fbx. Unpacking it will detach all the components that the fbx encapsulates into scene-specific components, they are no longer tied to the fbx itself (aside from anything directly referencing an asset, like a material, texture, or mesh)

[desert quest]

i dont know why but when ever i transfer my avatar from blender to unity the hands and arm get messed up

[nova shard]

have you tried double checking that you enforced T-pose in config menu?

[rare moon]

if you're updating the fbx, make sure to click "reset pose" in the rig configure, then get pumkin's avatar tools if you don't have it, and use it to reset pose in the scene

[silent plank]

annyone here can help me with this?

[green mauve]

They just like being that way

They’re special lol

[silent plank]

i literally have no clue why they're doing that, in blender they're just fine.

[green mauve]

What’s with the gun lmao

[silent plank]

just a couple guns imma add later, kinda CANT if my thighs are in my chest

[green mauve]

But what’s the problem with the upside down thighs?

[uncut breach]

are the bones in the incorrect slots?

[silent plank]

yep

that is not the issue

[uncut breach]

and you've already tried Pose > Reset, then Pose > Enforce T-Pose

or does the T-Pose enforcement do that to legs

[rough snow]

not sure this would make a difference but unity's example of a humanoid armature has the hips above the origin of the leg bones

[silent plank]

as i import it already has the legs in the chest, and yes i've already tried all that still doesn't work

[uncut breach]

oh so it's broken in the exported FBX

what's your export settings in blender?

[silent plank]

i have other avi with the hip origin bellow the upper leg bone, imports just fine its not that

[silent plank]

i just import the .blender file

have always worked fine

i also tried this with an fbx

does nothing

🤷‍♂️

[uncut breach]

What Unity version are you on? Older versions do tend to not enjoy .Blend files

[silent plank]

latest one that supports the SDK

and i've tried with my other avi .blend file

it imports just fine

[silent plank]

if i enforce bind pose it does this

figured it out

a bone was rotated inside blender, i didn't notice, i cleared the rotations and it fixed itself

🧇

[pale pumice]

You'd have to go look in Blender and probably just flip them there - it's a thing that sometimes is done in non-VRChat applications

ugh, I was scrolled up, sorry.

[silent plank]

is fine!

i appreciate the imput

💕

[pale pumice]

I usually try to get to the bottom of the buffer before I start replying 🙂

[silent plank]

i also try to use my waggle emote here all the time and end up sending waffles

🧇

lmao

[desert quest]

iv tired all that and nothing works

[hardy sparrow]

any idea what would be causing this??? my spine and chest are at maximum inward bend whenever my head/neck tilts down, but goes normal when I move??? I have no idea where to even start with this

[uncut breach]

your tracking control isn't set correctly when on that animation in the animator

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors#animator-tracking-control

[wanton flax]

So I need to split some bones in order to make a working rig for VRCHAT

....how do i split bones

clicking E does nothing

[pale pumice]

e "extrudes" a bone. To split one you can subdivide it

[wanton flax]

hold up im trying again

[wanton flax]

k...so if I extrude a bone for the shoulder can it just be, like, really tiny? as in miniscule as to prevent the avatar from getting all fucked?

[pale pumice]

best I can say without studying the armature is "probably"

[wanton flax]

the armature is, I shit you not, completely sideways

[pale pumice]

as in all the bones point sideways?

[pale pumice]

yep

[wanton flax]

I will note the model still works completely as intended

[pale pumice]

game rip?

[wanton flax]

locomotion and such functions

[wanton flax]

I'll have to presume so. I didnt grab it myself

[pale pumice]

yeah Unity really only cares about bone head locations

[wanton flax]

i got it whilst looking for my favourite pokemon, lmao

I dont rip stuff myself

not a fan of it

ANYWAY

i'll try making tiny bones for the shoulders and neck to be happy

uh

yeah this is weird

[wanton flax]

how do I reparent a bone?

[pale pumice]

same as other things, ctrl-p. or you can set the parent in the bone properties, bottom-right box, bone tab

[wanton flax]

a

its not letting me

[pale pumice]

explain what you're doing?

[wanton flax]

clicking the new bone I have created, then hitting ctrl-p

[pale pumice]

you need to select its target

[wanton flax]

a

[pale pumice]

click various bones, then click the target last

It's the same with other parenting actions too, blender does try to be consistent with such things 🙂

[wanton flax]

various bones?

[pale pumice]

up to you, I don't know what you're parenting

[wanton flax]

uh

[pale pumice]

let me reword: one or more bones to become children of the target

[wanton flax]

im trying to parent a shoulder to the upper arm

a shoulder which hopefully wont do anything

so in this case would I select the whole arm?

if im trynna make a shoulder

[pale pumice]

no, you only select the specific bone you want to be a direct child

[wanton flax]

k

so just the upper arm?

[pale pumice]

presumably there's already a chain in place for the rest

I'm trying to provide more general advice as I'm not actually looking at your model there

But if you want the upper arm to be a child of the shoulder, click upper arm, then shoulder, then ctrl-p and pick "keep offset"

[wanton flax]

wait what if i

one moment

Ugh

bruh

[hardy sparrow]

I didnt have this issue before though.... and I haven't changed anything with the tracking controls on it, I dont even know how, I'm using the GoGoLoco ALL VRCFury prefab

I know how you'd change them if I was using my own animator, but I have no idea how to fix that on in regards to this prefab

[wanton flax]

"Rupperarm not found" my ass

yeah nah I cant use Blender for this clearly :/

I give up.

this was a stupid idea anyway.

[hardy sparrow]

actually I think I figured out where to change things, what do you recommend changing to fix this?

this is one of a few of the broken emotes animators, I believe

[wanton flax]

i think my best option is to Re-Rig the Sandslash avi if I want to use it, fixing all the bones

[hardy sparrow]

I tried setting hips to No change, still having the same problem in game, will try animation for hips

notably, in game if I disable head tracking on gogoloco, the problems stops happening (but my head does not track, which is obviously a problem)

[hardy sparrow]

tried setting to animation as well, did not fix 😦

[hardy sparrow]

I fixed it finally... the issue was that my hip bone was slightly off 0,0,z

[exotic jungle]

hi

[sinful verge]

hi

i have some problems with uploading my avatar

so i tryed uploading it but problems keep showing up

those are the problems can someone help me?

(im a beginner)

[pale pumice]

are there no red errors in the console?

[sinful verge]

whait one second

yes there are a lot of errors

[pale pumice]

that one that says "missing script" is the problem, you'll need to install whatever required package you don't have installed, or find that script and remove it

[sinful verge]

ok thanks

[formal wolf]

How would go about something like this in VRChat Constraints?

In Blender what's going on here is there's a target in the middle of the wing.
There are two bones which stretch to that mid-wing target.
Along the length of these stretching bones there are a number of children bones. The individual feather bones point towards those....

Bones in Unity don't have length.

But I can add a new transform to the mid-wing target and use an aim constraint on the bone with the targets to get it to always point in the right direction. Great. But because it's not actually stretching, the targets for the feathers don't really move the same way.

[pale pumice]

looks like pretty simple rotation constraints

[rare moon]

you could use position constraints for the targets

just reduce the weight to whatever percentage it should be

[formal wolf]

I'll give it a go.

Any tricks to make it easier to visualize where these bones are pointing?

[rare moon]

switch to local view and enable the move tool

[pale pumice]

usually I do this in blender then do my best to duplicate it in unity

[formal wolf]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to do. It's not quite a simple rotation though.

[formal wolf]

I mean to see multiple at once.

[pale pumice]

there's always final ik

(it's even on sale right now)

[rare moon]

oh i just add meshes to them

like a cube or cylinder

[rare moon]

here the green have position constraints and are targeting the red

[formal wolf]

Yeah. I'm adding a small cylinder to each. Let's see how it goes.

[rare moon]

they have varying weights depending on what fraction of the segment they take up

[formal wolf]

Ahhh. So without the position constraints they would all be at the start of the segment?

[rare moon]

yep

[formal wolf]

Thanks for the help. Never would have gotten this far.

[pale pumice]

That looks really good!

[formal wolf]

💜 ty

[uncut breach]

Post some more stuff from google images, you'll look even more authentic

$55 for a simple gogoloco script that takes a VRCFury install and a drag and drop (totally not against the license of GGL)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/877346847763603467.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=xqcSleeper

[pale pumice]

clearly no one should DM this person

[crystal egret]

The AI images are crazy LMAO

[fast ocean]

Hi, is there a way to shift hip position horizontally in Unity's rig screen? As far as i noticed, it only allows for rotations and vertical movement (to get avatars on ground), but regardless of how far i move it it always stay on the default horizontal position.

It would take quite a while for me to adjust everything in blender so it would be good to know if there is a way to shift hips forward/backwards or left/right.

[balmy delta]

you should be doing it in blender either way

[fast ocean]

Blender's 0 and even Unity's 0 on Y axis is not the ground level on VRC so it would require lot more time to export/inport instead of adjusting Y in unity tho 💀

[balmy delta]

just because you moved it doesnt mean you actually moved it

did you actually change the origin of the avatar

[fast ocean]

Armature is at 0.0.0 as how it should be. Hip position is centered for most effective FBT result in both rig window and in scene. Changes are applied in both and re-opening them shows the updated positions. However VRC refuses to take horizontal adjustments into account and only applies vertical changes during build/uploat stage.

[balmy delta]

you cant move it in unity
youd need to move it in blender and apply the new origin

[fast ocean]

Thanks 😭

[brazen island]

i think you can tho, in uuuh humanoid rig editor ie green man? but ye better fix it in blender

[balmy delta]

Doesnt like movement other up and down

[harsh blaze]

Can somebody help me rig this

Mixamo does fine for the most part, but it messes up the bottom of the coat really bad

Ive tried manual weight painting, and manual rigging and nothing worked

[pale pumice]

long coats and skirts are a pain. Check out a video about skirts/dresses, there are a bunch, possibly you can get sorta close

[honest niche]

i dont understand why it wont upload

[hearty vessel]

does anyone know how to do proper weight painting on arms, legs and other places that bend? it looks extremely stiff when i bend it so im curious on how to do it so it bends smoothly

[hazy goblet]

I sent you a message I can do that for you

[hollow quartz]

Try blending the normals
In the weight painting options in the scene in blender there should be a button that does that, forgot exactly what it's called

But it kinda blends out your painting so it's not as harsh

[pale pumice]

space bar, 2 - it's called "blur"

you can use a bunch of different paint brushes too, but I tend to just smooth with this mode

ah also average and smear

[mystic haven]

does someone know how to fix giant headed characters that keep to floating everyting i look up and down?, also the shoulders are always up (not t-pose but noclipped in the avatar like if i had short arms)

[eternal kernel]

How would I go about disabling a Shape Key/Blendshape based on another inside of Unity's Animator Controller?
For example if Shape Key A motion is at 0.3, Shape Key B motion will be at 0.7. I would like this since I have a wink/blink Shape Key, and since Shape Keys are additive, it combines the two, and the blink overshoots past where it should have.

This isn't an issue in Blender or Maya since you can make drivers that does this arithmetic for you, but I can't figure out a solution in Unity that doesn't require a script (that VRC will toss out anyways). I looked into the possibility of Direct BlendTrees in the Unity Animator Controller but I haven't quite figured the logic out myself.

If I thought of the possibility of this before hand, I probably would have made the face rig out of bones instead.

Any tips or pointers on this? Thanks!

[brazen island]

you have state behaviours

[pale pumice]

VRC Avatar Parameter Driver

[wide zenith]

oops

wrong channel sorry

[round hearth]

can someone recommend me a avatar with long skirt and really good physic/no clipping thought leg? i wanna study how to rigging a skirt without clipping

[balmy delta]

#1138520828556890214

[turbid pendant]

could someone give me a eye rigging tutorial?

thinking of giving the character 3d pupils

[pale pumice]

one bone per eye, head at the pivot point, tail pointing straight up.

[turbid pendant]

(please reply ping me next time)

could you send a screenshot of this?

[pale pumice]

what would you need a screenshot of?

[turbid pendant]

the set up for the eyes

[pale pumice]

it's literally a single bone facing up

[turbid pendant]

sorry im Tired as sht

[turbid pendant]

hold on

let me do something

1. do i have to keep the eyes seperated?
2. what is a pivot point here?
3. do i have to make a bone in the way you explained for the eyeBALL and then link the pupil with a bone to it?

[pale pumice]

1. You probably want the eyes to have separate bones, since they rotate around different points.
2. Pivot point is the point the eye mesh rotates around. If it's a sphere, the center of the sphere. If not, you work it out.
3. if you use the automatic eye look stuff, VRchat will control a single bone per eye. What you do past that is entirely up to you.

[turbid pendant]

i want to add like a "2d" pupil though like

thats slightly hovering above the eyeball

like how those models do it

yknow what i mean

[pale pumice]

okay, are you doing that with extra mesh? or moving a texture around?

[turbid pendant]

i am gonna do that with an extra mesh

so the eyeballs would just be part of the full body mesh right

and the pupils would be the actual moving eyes

[pale pumice]

okay, so all the stuff I said still applies, just to the pupil mesh instead

[turbid pendant]

what do you mean by "head at the pivot point" btw

[turbid pendant]

okay

[warped pecan]

Head of the bone, bones have a "Tail" and a "Head" part

[pale pumice]

bones have heads and tails, VRChat will rotate the eye bone around the Y axis (Z in Blender), so you put the eye bone's head at the pivot point of your mesh.

[turbid pendant]

the head is the circle and the tail is that blocky thing?

[pale pumice]

they are both circles

well it depends which display mode you're using

in Octahedral mode, it's the thicker part that's the head.

[turbid pendant]

oh

that swhat im using

[turbid pendant]

ok so kinda like this

[pale pumice]

I don't know what you're trying to indicate here

[turbid pendant]

hold on

the orange point is where the pivot point is right

aka where the head ends

thats where it rotates

[pale pumice]

if you think that's the proper pivot point, then sure.

[turbid pendant]

its an example so i can see if i understood properly

and the ball is the tail which is pointing up

right

[pale pumice]

I can't tell you what's right or wrong here, it's your model, put it where it works how you want it to

[turbid pendant]

i mean i know next to nothing so i rather hear your recommended advice

[pale pumice]

you've got that then.

[turbid pendant]

but heres an issue that would probably pop up

the eyeball is not a normal circle but a Stretched out one

oval

[pale pumice]

not a problem

[turbid pendant]

idk

oh what

oky

[pale pumice]

VRChat will still rotate it the bone around the vertical axis. What you do with that is up to you

[turbid pendant]

alright

Thank you kazin btw for helping me

[turbid pendant]

is this correct?

[pale pumice]

if the eyes move how you want when you rotate the bone on the Z axis (in blender), then yes. I'm guessing that's too far forward though.

[turbid pendant]

its probably too far, yes

[turbid pendant]

i should join the armature with the eyeball, pupil and body right

and manually set the weight to be for the pupil only

right

[eternal kernel]

Does VRChat still use the PreviewMode parameter? I wanted to change the animation pose for the preview of my avatar in the VRC avatar menu, but it doesn't seem to do anything.

[cobalt nebula]

anyone know how to fix the locked elbows? ive tried changing the arm scale in blender and it didnt work

[ruby wharf]

can anyone help me fix this ive been trying all day and cant really figure it out as fas as i can tell from every tutorial ive watched there set correctly but for some reason they wont stay on the actual avi

[turbid pendant]

could someone answer me this?

[pale pumice]

again, this is really the kind of question you have to answer yourself, since you know the effect you're going for, and we don't fully. But if you want the sclera to not move, don't paint it to the eye bone. if you want the pupil to move, paint it to the eye bone.

[turbid pendant]

well idk why the sclera would move

[pale pumice]

not sure what you mean about joining armatures

[turbid pendant]

i mean, join the armature with the body mesh and the eyes and stuff

[pale pumice]

you don't join armatures with meshes, but sure, there's little reason to not join the eye meshes with the body

[turbid pendant]

k

[turbid pendant]

so i should weight paint the pupil only

[pale pumice]

Most eyes are just one piece, the whole thing gets rotated, but there's lots of ways to do this.

[turbid pendant]

because i want the pupil to only move when moving the eye bone

[pale pumice]

sounds right then

[turbid pendant]

alright

,and the eyes should have their seperate bones right?

[pale pumice]

each eye should have its own bone, yep

[turbid pendant]

whatever is compatible with vrchat

alright

[jagged hearth]

dear avatar riggers:
would it be easy to rig the cookie run tower of adventures models??

[pale pumice]

no idea what that is, but probably yes anyway 🙂

[nova shard]

to get a clean rig it might not be depending on if they're direct gamerips or someone made them with the intent to be used as a model

[restive garnet]

I want to make a free clothing item thats rigged to a specific avatar base with its own bones for physbones. Is it possible to rig the clothing to an avatar base, with its own armature for physics aka shoe strings etc, chains, whatever.

[pale pumice]

Yes

[jagged hearth]

they r direct game rips but theyre fairly simple models

[weak siren]

Yes! You can have multiple armatures in the same rig, so let's say you made a skirt separate with its own Armature and bones make sure there's a center bone in the center of that where you apply the actual Fizz bones you can set it all up in unity and then package it up and then give it to people. All they would have to do was line up all of the bones in edit mode onto their Avatar and then in play mode they would be able to see the effects without needing a proper setup. I'd be very careful though because this is very resource inefficient, as you're adding an additional skin mesh renderer on top of things. But if it's just one thing that it shouldn't hurt too bad on PC at least

[native spoke]

How easy is it to set up a rig in an A pose of sorts and put into unity? Can cats set the resting pose to a Tpose from the pose editor once the model is rigged?

Sorry, I haven't really done as much with avatar stuff and the last person to show me just walked through the process to some extent but I didn't fully remember everything said and it was a bulk run through

[eternal kernel]

Maybe try scooching the elbows back like so? Sometimes the IK in Blender and Maya on the arms gets confused when the arms are too in-line, so maybe it can also happen with VRC. Hope that helps solve your issue!

[opaque barn]

Can anyone rig my avatar for free?

[pale pumice]

Unlikely, it's a bunch of work. Also you'll probably get scammers DMing you now, be wary of them.

[eternal kernel]

Is there any way to get the locomotion animations that VRChat uses? I want to modify a couple of them, and I dont feel like animating all of the locomotion animations from scratch lol

The SDK package in the unity editor has 1 frame, "proxy" preview animations, but I can't use them since each animation is 1, static frame.

[lyric shale]

Who can rig my avatar here please add me first no dming

[pale pumice]

go to the VRC traders discord if you want to commission someone - don't trust anyone from here.
Link is in #1204490664637890580

[restive garnet]

Turns out you can use armature merging with VRC fury, which handles the bones properly for assets, so I can freely make clothing with additional physbones, then when the person recieves my unity package, they can use vrc fury's armature merge, and itll merge everything and reduce/remove the additional bones, its all non-destructive and can easily be reverted. Pretty neat stuff

[weak siren]

Nice I didn't know that.

That is pretty neat.

[pale pumice]

it works quite well

[sterile orbit]

does adding the upper chest do anything with a chest tracker on?

[scenic gazelle]

hello, i'm having these kind of problems when applying maxamo to models from a video game

1. feet fuse when walking (weight painting)
2. parts like tail/wings aren't rigged and the character is stuck heading down (bones)
3. the transparent parts are shown as black
   also the 3rd model with white wings is messed up even though the original obj/mtl is fine

https://youtu.be/KB5B1BNkOes?feature=shared

i followed this tutorial

[hollow quartz]

Yeah for tails and wings mixamo can't do that

You'll have to rig it yourself. In unity, for the transparent parts, you'll need to make sure the materials have the settings that allow for that, such as transparency on

[hollow quartz]

You'll need to fix the weight painting yourself also

[scenic gazelle]

probably this one has long skirt so it would be hard to set it properly

🤔

also i noticed one of the feet distorted while generating fbx but what's the reason likely to be?

[hollow quartz]

Thats weightpainting

[daring shuttle]

Anyone willing to make an avatar for me please 🙏

[scenic gazelle]

would anybody help me fixing the model?

i'm pretty new to blender

[thick cobalt]

Does anyone know a good way to convert a pmx file for blender? I tried using CATS but they kinda gave me an error that doesnt allow it since it isn't a MMD file. Trying my best to learn and how to better make models for my own T-T

[pale summit]

Trying to make an avatar and started rigging now, does any one knows if VRCHAT supports double joint system?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQX8C3lrHE&ab_channel=RoyalSkies

something like this

[balmy delta]

just make a second set of leg bones then constrain or "fancy" parenting

then use those bones for weight painting

[pale summit]

You mean helper bones?

[balmy delta]

what

no I mean the whole extra joint thing you want to do

just use constraints as thats how digitigrade avatars work

[pale summit]

oh ok I'll try that out

thank you very much ;D!

[balmy delta]

have the rigged humanoid legs then have separate weight painted legs

[pale summit]

Ok I'll try it

Thanks ;D!!

[pale pumice]

Lots of people will in exchange for money. We suggest going to the VRC Traders discord for this, link is in #1204490664637890580

[warped pecan]

Don't trust anyone who hops into your dms about this btw, scammers are everywhere. Trusted creators in the other server are the way to go

[wispy beacon]

I have a weird problem. I can add and change parts to an FBX in blender, then import it into Unity and the avatar will work fine. the blendshapes work, the rigging works, I can upload it as a sucessful avatar.
THEN
i decide to make new changes to the FBX in blender, and when re-importing it to Blender, it loses all of the Vertex and Blendshape data. They aren't missing in Unity, but disapear when importing back into blender.

[fallow brook]

hi everyone so how do i fix legs that twist outwards and bend facing outwards while play spacing downwards in half body. i was told it can be fixed in unity

[pale pumice]

Do you have an un-applied modifier? You'll need to apply everything before export, some won't do it automatically.

stuff that changes vertex count in particular, like decimation or smoothing

[wispy beacon]

I don't believe so. But it will be impossable to tell now, as all that info get's stripped when I try to reimport it to blender.

[pale pumice]

no, you look at in Blender before you export

wait, re-import? why?

did you not save the .blend?

[wispy beacon]

originaly import as an FBX, modified blendshapes, added a tail. Exported, aall worked well in Unity, and I had a good avatar.
then
Decide to add new clothing, maybe tweak a blendshape or three, and so attempt to re-import FBX to blender, this is when it fails.

[pale pumice]

hmm okay, I'm not sure why it'd lose anything going back into blender, assuming that data is in the .fbx.

I was thinking you saved the .blend and then made changes and were having trouble exporting to Unity.

I'd never try to export from Unity to .fbx, I import my FBX files once and then work in blender from there, exporting to Unity when the avatar is ready.

[wispy beacon]

yeah, the data is there, as Unity can read it. Just can't go back. I have had 4 or 5 different FBX that end up like this.

I have this bad habit of wanting to constantly improve my avatars. I'm never really finished until I lose interest and start a new project. 😆

[pale pumice]

oh I do that too, I just keep the .blend files

[mental hamlet]

what bone should be the parent of those two small bones I made for the pompoms? when I import it into unity it doesn't move this way (I got the "left leg" and "right leg" as parents)

[hollow quartz]

I would make a copy of the ankle bone and make that the pom pom parent for each leg

Then parent that to the ankle bone it was copied from

[mental hamlet]

do I have to rig the copy of the ankle bone again?

[rough snow]

are you sure it's parented to the right bone? i would expect the origin lines to go to the tail of the bone they are parented to, yet it's pointed up. also, "left leg" and "right leg" are commonly the names used for upper leg, not the lower leg/knee that it should be parented to

[mental hamlet]

yyeah you're right, they are parented to the wrong bone (upper legs). So should I parent them to the knee or the ankle then?

[rough snow]

the knee, because i would assume the ankle is the name of the bone that moves the foot in this case

[mental hamlet]

okay thank you 🙂

[pale pumice]

yeah definitely that ankle bone, whatever the name

[analog heron]

What program would people recommend for rigging an avatar on for beginners? I’m modeling my own avatar right now and want to start looking at rigging options but am completely new to this.

[brazen island]

mixamo -> blender

[golden zinc]

I would appreciate help with rigging of these earrings and the ears. When I try to look it up on how to merge the mesh of the earings to the ear, I just get people saying to "join" them. Which sadly I don't think fixes my issue with the earrings not morphing inline with the ears moving. I assume I need to join the vertices or something, cause just joining the meshes doesn't affect it.

It's probably something obvious, and I probably seem real dumb, but I'm still trying to learn this so I'd really appreciate the help. (Oh I realise I mention the hair tool, the character model was original created in Vroid)

[pale pumice]

for earrings, I weight paint them 100% the same value, and match the closest point on the ear itself

[mental hamlet]

I have this message in the Control Panel and I'm not sure if I can leave it like that? Between Upper Leg and Lower Leg there is a Twist bone, so I think it should be good?

or is that something I fix in unity?

[pale pumice]

I name my twist bones starting with ~ to be sure they go last, but it's not a huge problem, even with FBT I haven't noticed an issue

[mental hamlet]

Okay thanks alot!

[pale pumice]

I do love twist bones 🙂

[mental hamlet]

I'll leave it and just see if I ever encounter any issues

[mental hamlet]

still waiting for my FBT xD so far I don't think I can use them

[pale pumice]

leg ones you won't yet, but forearm you will

[mental hamlet]

ohh I see, yeah I also have forearm twist bones

[pale pumice]

yep, makes the wrist move much more naturally

[mental hamlet]

I see that's good to know

[pale pumice]

I actually don't usually do leg ones, but I've been more playing with digitgrade setups lately anyway

[mental hamlet]

I just leave them cause deleting them would take more effort since there are weights on them hah

[pale pumice]

yep, they'll be fine as-is

[mental hamlet]

also I have another question about these limitations. that's the only thing stopping my avatar to be of Good Ranking, is there a way to reduce those slightly without getting rid of any colliders/physbones?

I have these currently

so not too far off

[pale pumice]

nope

you'd need to reduce those to reduce the collisions

[mental hamlet]

so I just have to delete 1 collider for example

maybe I can do that without messing the whole thing up

[rough snow]

main thing i would suggest is reducing the length of phys bone chains in blender, it's possible to get away with smooth deformations with way less bones than people tend to think. the smooth tool in the weights menu is great for this. i also try to count out what bones will increase which values and adjust the rig accordingly before exporting.

[golden zinc]

Match the closest point on the ear itself? Sorry, I'm dumb and really just flailing around trying to figure this program out.

Could you explain a little more how I do that? My apologies.

[arctic sundial]

Imagine the weight painting of the ear making god rays - hes saying "ray project" the same weight from the ear to the piercings so that they deform exactly the same way at the same strength. There is an addon called "robust weight transfer" which can do this for you.

[golden zinc]

I see, thank you, I'll look into that addon.

[arctic sundial]

They may smudge a little bit depending how different the ear weights are in the 2cm place where the earrings are

If that happens, you gotta try and get it as close as possible to a uniform weight strength

I personally would probably try adding a new bone as child of the ear bone. Seems finicky

[steel loom]

Is anyone familiar with this error

[golden zinc]

Ahh I see, that makes sense now I think about it too. I'll have to look at that too. Being so new I haven't tried adding additional bones to things, so far only removed bones or edited their position, as I first created the base in vroid and brought it over into blender to improve the mesh.

[pale pumice]

Yeah what Zero said - usually I just sample a place on the ear on the body mesh, and weight paint the earring to match that, then tweak if it doesn't move right

[pale pumice]

I don't see anything useful here - if there's actually errors (not warning or info), paste the first few, ideally in #avatar-help , this is rigging

[mental hamlet]

I always wanted to know if there is a faster way to replace the fbx in Unity when you're already almost done with everything. For example I am almost done uploading my avatar but then I realize I wanna change some bones or UVs which make me export a new fbx from blender.
I always lose so much time importing the new fbx to unity and then setting up the Physbones from scratch again... Is there a way I can keep my old Physbones/Colliders but use it on the new model?

[pale pumice]

put the physbones under their own game object separate from the armature, and turn it into a prefab

constraints, colliders, etc. too.

But also why would you need to re-set those up? Unless you drastically change the armature that stuff ought to stay in place.

I just put this stuff into prefabs so I can share it between avatars which use the same model

[mental hamlet]

I have to re-set them up cause I use a whole different fbx no? When I drag it into the scene there is nothing on it
Okay I gotta look into this whole prefab thing cause I always have the same avatar, just different versions (Christmas, Halloween, valentine's etc) and the amount of copy-pasting stuff from one window to the other is killing me lol

[pale pumice]

oh - why use a different fbx? Just overwrite the previous one

re: the prefabs, once done you simply drag the "all physbones" prefab onto your avatar, then drag the right bones into each physbone component's "root transform" slot, and that's all. And any changes made you can save so they apply to all avatars using that prefab.

[mental hamlet]

...is that a thing?! omg

you don't even know how long I was always making a new fbx with a new name and what not

for some reason I didn't think this would work lol

[pale pumice]

As long as you didn't unpack the avatar prefab, and don't make huge bone changes, yep, works fine

also use the same export settings, always

[mental hamlet]

yeah I got a preset saved which I always use

thank you so much, I learned alot

[pale pumice]

if you did unpack, just drag a new one in the usual way once and never unpack again

(saying it for others)

[mental hamlet]

I think I did unpack

[pale pumice]

ah, don't then!

[mental hamlet]

okay x) I don't remember why I did it again lol

[pale pumice]

it's pretty rare that you actually need to

[mental hamlet]

gotcha ✅

[worthy abyss]

Chat what is wrong here
I'm trying to get these clothes to move together but the armatures (clothing vs body) even if they appear to line up just?? don't stay together when moved?

[pale pumice]

why use two armatures?

[worthy abyss]

One is the clothes one is the body

[pale pumice]

question still stands though

[worthy abyss]

Idk it's just kinda how this is set up, I'm using downloaded assets

For everything else it works fine it's just this dress

[pale pumice]

okay.... but still, same question 🙂

if you're already in Blender, there's little reason to use more than one armature

[worthy abyss]

I'm extremely new to this sort of thing and am kind of holding everything together with sticks and glue, basically every asset has its own armature and when moved in tandem with the body arm like it works fine and nothing like.. changes.. so I just don't know how to get these two to be in sync with one another

[pale pumice]

I'd think you'd need to add rotation constraints for each bone, to copy from another armature

[worthy abyss]

Okay that makes sense

I just gotta figure out how to do that lol

[pale pumice]

okay.... it's quite a bit more complex than just using one armature though 🙂

[worthy abyss]

I hear you but I don't have enough knowledge on Blender to know where to even begin transferring all of the clothing to a single armature

[pale pumice]

unless the clothing has extra bones, it's just a matter of switching the armature used in the clothing object's armature modifier, then making sure the vertex group names match the bone names.

rotation constraints are really great, but it's not the path I'd choose here.

[worthy abyss]

Uuuuhhhh okay I think I understand

I figure clothes that have physics would constitute as having extra bones or?

[pale pumice]

possibly, you'd have to check

[worthy abyss]

Okay understood

I'm probably gonna go the rotation constraints route bc I like am totally out of my element here and I don't rlly wanna mess anything up lol

[pale pumice]

okay

[worthy abyss]

Appreciate the assistance

[golden zinc]

I see, thank you for the info

[worthy abyss]

Okay update looked at the armature constraints and I couldn't really get anything to work, so I figured out how to reassign an object to an armature aaand it seems to have like, rendered the shape keys useless so I'm officially out of ideas

[pale pumice]

not sure how that worked

[worthy abyss]

🤷

But like I got it on

It definitely fixed the original issue I had that's for sure! So I'll keep the solution in mind for things that don't have shape keys, but I think I'm going to just have to scrap the dress cuz this thing is testing me

[pale pumice]

right but how would you lose shapekeys here?

[worthy abyss]

I have no idea, like they're still there but changing the value doesn't do anything

[mental hamlet]

now I remember why I unpacked, when I create an Empty Object in my armature to combine bones for Physbones, it tells me that

is there a workaround? If I don't combine bones I have too many Physbone components

in this specific case I wanted to combine butt bone left and right into 1

[robust crescent]

blender, parent there

[mental hamlet]

so both butt bones are parented to the Hips, I have to make a new bone which is parented to Hip instead and is the parent to butt bone 1 & 2?

sorry can't explain better xD

[robust crescent]

one way is duplicate bone and parent stuff to it, similar to hair stuff

[pale pumice]

yeah just don't rearrange items already in a prefab

so yeah, what Thulen said, rearrange the armature in Blender.

[mental hamlet]

okay I will try thank you both once again!

[mental hamlet]

thanks for the video, it worked 🙂

[celest bridge]

can someone tell my WHY its giving me these errors when the spine IS clearly there? I know why it's doing it too, because it doesnt like that spine is lowercase

but why does it matter

so long as it's mapped?

if i make it uppercase it breaks everything above it in the heirarchy, I need it to be lowercase

Ive never had it do this before

ignore the visemes one

[arctic sundial]

Ive done lowercase bone names before without issue

You may have to drag a new fbx to scene. I believe this happens when bones were changed by overriding the fbx. You may or may not get away with setting it to generic rig and back to humanoid

[trim bay]

trying to add bones to the veil but it dosent appear to work

i have everything in the right vertex group i think

[arctic sundial]

Is the bone a child of another bone? You likely forgot to parent it

[midnight basin]

trying to attach the hat (armature) to head bone this may be simple, I'm not a expert

[tall notch]

What do you guys use

[midnight basin]

wdym

[tall notch]

Like software

[midnight basin]

for

[tall notch]

Making avatars

[midnight basin]

I use vroid

[tall notch]

Ok

[midnight basin]

then put it in blender

some people model from scratch which i say good on them

[tall notch]

Yea

Thank you

[midnight basin]

np

[trim prism]

Do these bones look ok? Do i need to weight paint every single bone for it to be affected by gravity correctly?

I want the string to move around/gravity affected so i will add physbones in unity I think.

[pale pumice]

you need to weight paint the mesh for every bone you want to affect it

[trim prism]

1st image is on the 1st bone, 2nd is on 2nd bone. Do i need to repeat what I did on 1st to all of them?

Sorry I do 3D modelling but weightpainting and rigging has so far flown over my head

[pale pumice]

it's a gradient: red = moves 100% with bone. blue = does not move with bone.
Definitely watch tutorials, it's way easier to get visually

[lone mural]

oh gosh no..

each bone should only cover its respected area. Bone 2 is a great example, so repaint bone 1 like bone 2.

When importing to unity, put a 'VRC Phys Bone' component onto the first bone on the string (closest one to the handle) and adjust the gravity parameter to be 1 so its always dangling down

[trim prism]

Thanks, that's exactly what I was confused about. Thought it didn't make sense to repaint the whole thing multiple times 😅

Another question is: Do i need to add a bone to the handle for it to be grabbable or do I just add a contact point in Unity? Or what is the correct procedure..

[balmy delta]

Usually add another bone so its atleast weight painted

[plush turtle]

Hello! so I have a fully completed avatar base blend file and I was wanting to duplicate the tail to where it has 2-3 tails instead of just the one, but I also have never used blender before, anyone know how I could go about this?

[trim prism]

Would I have the whole sword blue or red for the handle bone? Since the rest is stationary, just want all of it to move when picked up

[balmy delta]

Just the part you want weight to the bone

[lone mural]

No, when adding the object to your character, just drag it under your Character mesh in the hierarchy in unity.

To do this, Drag the object into the scene, scale it appropriately, and position it at the palm of the hand

Next, drag the object under the hand you poisitioned it under; spine/chest/shoulder.L/arm.L/wrist.L/Object

I can show you how to make it toggleable if youd like ^^

[mental hamlet]

why is my rig moving outside of my mesh in pose mode? even when the bones are fully red coloured

[restive wind]

Hey so maybe you guys can help me

I want to export as cram because the fxm export to unity loaded no textures

Vrm*

But this is popping up

Even asked chat gpt but that didn’t work

[rough snow]

sometimes it's better to just remake the materials in unity

[brazen island]

@mental hamlet if you dont have normalisation on, red doesnt guarantee its the only bone affecting it.

[mental hamlet]

Okay I'll check when I'm at the pc thank you

[serene mulch]

I seen something like this when I used to use blender, and I just redid the whole thing, and it worked. Not sure why, but sorry I couldn't help much

[mental hamlet]

Any idea why the head mesh is doing that whenever I click on either Head or Neck? strangely when I click on Chest it all seems to work fine?

[balmy delta]

because you are rotating the chest bone not the neck or head bone?

[arctic sundial]

check if the head has another armature modifier

[mental hamlet]

I do rotate Neck and Head bone too

[balmy delta]

yea and?

[mental hamlet]

where can I see the modifiers?

[balmy delta]

when you rotate the chest bone it doesnt rotate the neck or head so it wont cause the issue

looks like you have the head also weight painted to something else

[mental hamlet]

that behaviour is weird, it doesn't happen on my other versions of this model

hmm I thought I checked everything but I can do it again

[balmy delta]

when you have it 100% weight painted multiple times it shrinks when rotating one bone its weighted to

the bone doesnt even need to exist

if it has the weights applied to a vertex group

[mental hamlet]

yes I found the issue, you were right thank you 🙂

I made a new Necklace bone and it just automatically put the head on it too

[frosty elbow]

Would it be possible to, let's say, take the legs of a novabeast model and fit them to a more human avatar with the legs still being digitigrade instead of plantigrade? Asking because I'm wanting to make a half-reindeer but I have no idea how to work the armature

[nova shard]

thats 100% possible but would require you to mess with weightpaint and bone naming a bit (and would need to be done in blender)

tons of users frankenstein their content like that :)

[frosty elbow]

Never actually knew that, but since you seem to know a bit about it, should I weight paint before I rename the bones, or does it matter?

[nova shard]

renaming bones needs to be done before merging armatures (especially if you're using add-ons like CATs though i recc you learn how to do it without if thats the case) it'd be done before weightpainting since you wont quite know what needs changing until the two models are merged and you can move the bones around

though doing it before is entirely up to you as it can be done before merging if your topology is clean and the bone difference isnt too crazy

[rare moon]

Yes that is called kitbashing (what lilpimpen described as frankensteining)

[oblique mirage]

ive got something weird happening with weight paint on this model im kitbashing/editing. its only on one side, and when im clicking through the bones in weight paint mode im not seeing an issue....?
it looks like they were left named wrong when i mirrored the armature (left knee was named x leg, and the fingers got named fingel_l1)
but i fixed the naming, and the bones themselves seem like the have the right weight paint so? any ideas please and ty

[tardy socket]

Ok, I do rigging in blender right?

I think i need to create the armature from scratch because it looks really messed up

[pale pumice]

might be not too hard to rework it too, kinda depends

[tardy socket]

Moving screenshots to my phone, one sec

The tail seems to be the only thing that is correct

[pale pumice]

ok that's quite salvagable. Looks like either a game rip or something done in another program, you'd want to re-align the bones according to the pinned diagram in here

[tardy socket]

Ok

[tardy socket]

Yeah. It's from mmd bc there are literally 0 avatars with publicly available files, paid or free, that are just zeraora, no added nsfw toggles, no diapers (i kid you not, one of the only ones that exists is a zeraora balloon with a diaper on it)

[pale pumice]

the 3D cursor can be your friend here - in armature edit mode, you can click on the head of a child bone, set the 3D cursor to that point (shift-s, cursor to selected), then click on the parent bone's tail, and again shift-s, "selection to cursor"

[tardy socket]

Ok

[pale pumice]

haha

[tardy socket]

Yeah

Once I get it working I'm making the files publicly available for free, bc this is a pain to do for a newbie

[tardy socket]

How do i get to armature edit mode?

[pale pumice]

ooh, you probably want to do a basic tutorial

but click the armature in object mode, and at the top left there's a drop down where you can change the mode

[tardy socket]

Like I said, this is my first time using blender ever

[pale pumice]

tab will swap between the last two modes, or the most obvious next mode

rigging isn't exactly a basic thing to start with 🙂

[tardy socket]

I noticed

But I don't have the money to pay someone to do it, and my friend doesn't know how vrchat wants it set up

[pale pumice]

learnin' time!

[tardy socket]

Is there a way to make it so right click drag moves the camera

[pale pumice]

middle-click drag does by default, I leave it like that but you might be able to remap

[tardy socket]

Oh, thank you

Also

Do i just leave this bone alone?

It seems like it's considered to be every bone

[pale pumice]

I can't tell which bone it is

[tardy socket]

It is marked as a bone group

Not just a bone

[pale pumice]

group?

[tardy socket]

This is with it selected

That's what this is

[pale pumice]

I can't read that, but the green bone icon means it's a bone

[tardy socket]

It translates to all parents

[pale pumice]

ohhh, then it's the root bone

[tardy socket]

Ok

[pale pumice]

I don't think those are a problem, I have one avatar that has one because I've done some IK stuff in Blender, it seems to not get exported

[tardy socket]

Alright

My friend said that if I give her the example for how vrc wants the bones, she'll guide me through fixing them

[pale pumice]

oh cool

[tardy socket]

Thank you for all your help!

[robust crescent]

pmx bones , cats can remove all the useless ones for you (seems more of a game grab since its bones all wrong direction)

[pale pumice]

yeah I was assuming it was a game rip

[tardy socket]

I used cats

How do you think I was able to import a .pmx in the first place

[robust crescent]

dont need cats to import pmx , it will remove the root bone if you used 'fix' (dont do it on 3.6+ blender)

[tardy socket]

I still have the root bone and am on blender 4.2.3

[tardy socket]

.

[robust crescent]

you dont want a root bone

useless

[tardy socket]

Is there a way to get it to fix while staying in blender 4.2? Because I don't wanna redo everything I just did

Editing shaders lags my computer a ton

[robust crescent]

some pmx doesnt behave in 4.2+ exsample of one ,

its the pmx importer just old