avatar-rigging

[brazen island]

ah i believe you also need to enable auto normalize

[dark glacier]

What's that

[brazen island]

otherwise you can have vertex painted both 1 or smth to different bones instead of its wights acros the bones being 1 total

so without normalization its not guaranteed that if your vertex is red on some group its blue on all other groups

[cedar violet]

Hello! I was wondering, how to use parent constraints to dress up an avatar

[brazen island]

why would you need a parent contraint for this. unless its a grabbable hat or smth.

[cedar violet]

I want to add the clothes to an avatar but the only way i know of doing it is putting the bones of the clothing on the same bone on unity and i want a different method rather than that to make it look better and to not break the bones

And i heard about u can do it by using parent constraints

[coarse pond]

oh my god u just bombed my brain with knowledge

[fervent mantle]

you can but honestly learning blender and weight painting is overall a better option

[coarse pond]

ima bomb

[brazen island]

you want to keep all your bones in one armature. parent constraints are used when you need smth more than just attach a to b for performance reasons (usually, to attach partially, to change parent by animation, to attach inbetween multiple sources). if your clothes use some extra bones, merge them with main armature and make sure bone names on body and cloth are the same. and that should be it.

and slapping parent constraints would be way more work than renaming bones too

[cedar violet]

Yeah but how do i merge them thats the thing, im still very new when it comes to armatures

[lapis nova]

hello! speaking of constraints, my arm twist constraints don't seem to work in vrchat at all, while they work just fine in unity... can anybody help figuring this out?

[lapis nova]

do you use blender? I can explain how to do that in blender

[lapis nova]

I figured this out, the avatar was not being saved in the correct folder and I was testing an older version

[cedar violet]

Yeah i use blender too

[lapis nova]

parent the clothes to the armature with armature deform, then transfer weights from your base mesh to the clothes with a modifier

add the modifier "data transfer" to the clothes, set as target the body, enable "vertex data", inside it "vertex groups", method "nearest face interpolated" or "project face interpolated" (both should work but one may be a bit better than the other for some use cases)

then apply the modifier and you can use weight paint to improve the weights if needed

if you set the armature in pose mode and click the clothes in the outliner you can use weight painting and move the bones at the same time

shift+click a bone to choose it

you don't need substance painter for any of that, all you need is to edit the UVs so they don't overlap, maybe all you need is to use the new "pack islands" functionality in blender 3.6, in the "UV" menu

[cedar violet]

Thanks for the help, i appreciate it a lot

[leaden zinc]

hi.... kind of new to blender, but there is a slightly tricky question:
I neatly painted the weight of my mesh, but somehow afterwards I accidentally unparented the mesh with armature, so the bones won't control the mesh any more but the vertex groups in the mesh are still painted. How do I re-parent the mesh to rig again without clean out all the previously painted vertex group?

thanks a loooooooot

ah ok, solved! Select Armature deform works!

[river ingot]

make more save points so u can revert to a prior save 😄

[leaden zinc]

yup yup thats what i did, cant risk 10 hours of weight paint

[river ingot]

I use cats plug in, theres an option on it that makes the parentign process easy

[versed sphinx]

thats im made smthing wrong when transfer or my rig is too bad ?

1st time try to add into VR

[balmy delta]

I have no clue what you just said

[versed sphinx]

well, i try transfer my character from blender to Unity, tried creating a rig just like I saw in the video

But I got a large number of errors

And just wondering from knowledgeable people what could be the cause?

[balmy delta]

Ah ok

Your first message was incredibly broken english

[versed sphinx]

wrong name of the dice or the hierarchy is wrong, maybe the rig isn't right at all

[versed sphinx]

sorry

[balmy delta]

I assume export settings or parenting issues in heierchy

Like the bones not being parent and child of the correct bones

[versed sphinx]

i was using Auto rig pro

maybe in this problem

well, then ill try to remake all hierarchy

thx for help

[balmy delta]

It normally has hips as the top most parent
Hips > spine, tailroot, leg L, leg R > and so on

[leaden zinc]

for vrchat, making eye blink, is it better to rig the eyelids or use shape keys?

i already made rigs for eyelids, but then on an official avatar tutorial its using shape keys

[river ingot]

never heard of bones on them, but if it works

[leaden zinc]

ok i tried both: blink shape is much easier! for whom might be wondering too

[dim veldt]

How do I rig a league of legends model so they can be able to do perform emotes from league of legends game?

[lusty storm]

Can someone rig an avatar for me? It'll need to be rigged for Quest 2. Nvm, I've found someone

[upper imp]

@lusty storm @lusty storm DM

[balmy delta]

Its not the rig thats the issue
Its the animation needing to be remade or converted

[tired marten]

I'm pretty much totally new to avatar creation, I want to rig a Ghostface model but don't know how, I tried using an auto-rigger but it confuses the sleeve with the thumb so it basically scuffs the hand, can someone show me how to rig this thing?

[kind mortar]

You can use Mixamo, it's free and easssyy

[brazen island]

or accurig, also free and it allows to map fingers

[surreal jewel]

Sure, I can help you with that. Rigging can be a bit tricky, but I'll guide you through the basic steps.

[trim nexus]

hey whats that key in blender to fix the jank ass camera

[trim nexus]

period on numpad only

[vestal condor]

Can someone correct me on this, feel like I'm wrong. I always thought with weight painting, each vertex shares a value up to 1 with the bones. and so if you make a vertex to 1 on a specific bone it'll remove the weight from other bones. but even after I maxed a weight to one bone, the other still moved it slightly. whats happening?

[brazen island]

@vestal condor theres Auto Normalize option for this behavior, you need to enable it, otherwise weights per group are independent

[narrow vortex]

advanced(ish?) rigging question; kitbashing a critter (thus colors not final), and I want to make it so the shoulder blade glides across the surface of his body when the shoulder bone is moved. Specifically, if I rotate it forwards/backwards it rotates from the center of the body like normal. But when I rotate the shoulder up/down, the shoulder doesnt rotate, it just moves up and down, parallel to the spine

current set up (will symmetrize once everything in the arm is rigged)

[narrow vortex]

figured out I need constraints, but advice on the exact set up would still be helpful

[river ingot]

constraints for that part would be done in unity under the bone rigging section, the second part of it is where u can customize how far the bones move in given directions. Easy setup, just a little time consuming.

[narrow vortex]

gotcha

kinda wished I could do it from blender but I understand why I cant

[harsh dew]

Ive weight painted one set of feathers on a character I've modelled, is there a way I can quickly like mirror them to the right side as well?

the mesh is identical

fixed it dw, just had to like delete the non painted half and apply a mirror modifier, you can create vertex groups with opposite side in the name. Wing.L -> create Wing.R

[river ingot]

You can, if your programming a game or video. But it won't export via .fbx into unity.

[wraith vapor]

Nice model

[narrow vortex]

I see

thanks again

[cold totem]

can somebody remind me how to transfer weight painting from my body onto a bikini?

ping me if you respond pls

or dm

[narrow vortex]

coming back to this, do you have a tutorial on how to do this that you'd recommend? I'm unsure how to get to that menu

oh frick its 4 am I'm so sorry for the ping

[narrow vortex]

nevermind bud, after testing in game turns out the clavicle behaves just how I needed it to - like a clavicle. who'd've guessed?

thank you for the help though

[tough plinth]

Hi: I just have a quick question, is rigging more fixed/segmented/mechanical joints like this possible, rather than usual "ball sockets"? Im starting on my first vrchat character model and I'm unsure what's possible

[river ingot]

https://youtu.be/406OTtDHOgk I just put this vid togethr, didn't take long, it also barely has anything a real video would have added to it. Follow the mouse, pause as needed, and it'll lead you through the process with a few examples of what does what. If you have questions afterwards let me know.

[river ingot]

yes, you can adjust the bones weight painting to be weighed to those particular arm segments. As well as add constraints to how they move and in which directions when the bones are moved.

[tough plinth]

Yes, just needed confirmation that bone constraints were possible thx 👍

[brazen island]

*on pc only

[narrow vortex]

woah thank you

[copper halo]

On pc only, but not in mirrors on the beta*

[sand charm]

Hi

[twin halo]

I'm trying to add a piece of clothing to an avi and the clothing isn't rigged at all- nor is the clothing for the specific base, how exactly do I rig it to the avi? Is there a simple way to just fit it to the avi and then take the avi's armature and place it on the clothing?? dm or reply with ping plez

[balmy delta]

Blender

If it isnt rigged at all then you need to rig it in blender

[twin halo]

And how exactly do I do that?

[balmy delta]

Weight painting and sculpting

Its not simple at all and you would probably need to learn the basics in blender first

[twin halo]

Thank you^^

[brazen island]

@twin halo you can always start with transfer mesh data modifier - vertex groups - nearest face projected or interpolated (4th or 5th option, try both), for pretty tight stuff its usually enough

[twin halo]

Well I'm having a problem with the mesh turning invisible once it hits unity-

[brazen island]

thats was still blender

[river ingot]

invisible or white/blank?

[twin halo]

Invisible but then on the other side it's visible

[twin halo]

Some parts are visible but some aren't-

[kind mortar]

It's called backface culling, if you're doing this for quest, you'll have to flip the faces in Blender, if you're on pc, make your shader turn off backfaces

[copper halo]

reccomended to do it on pc avatars aswell since arealit does not work on backfaces.... so if you want the avatar to look good in worlds that use it. i would reccomend doing it there aswell

[flat osprey]

Use this option on your mesh in Edit mode. Outside == Blue, Inside == Red. You can use a function called "recalculate outside" or "flip normals" to make sure everything on the outside is blue.

[kind mortar]

👀

[winged moat]

can someone please help me rig my model?

[nimble quest]

help

my mesh wont parent to the armeture with vertex groups

[tribal basin]

im having trouble trying to get the avatar rig open so i can fix the spine issue im having?? idk how to get to it 😭

it doesn't help that the avatar i'm working with has a preset rig and doesn't seem to allow me to access the avatar mapping tab

[surreal shale]

Does anyone know what went wrong with my rig? (This is when i enforce T-pose).

[river ingot]

That may need to be done in blender if the neck bone isn't labeled "neck"

[river ingot]

ankles need to be swapped, their on the wrong sides. You may have too many arm bones, there shouldnt be one in the middle. But it looks like its more of a problem that a lot of the bones are on the wrong side of the body

[surreal shale]

I actually fixed it, the bones had mirrored names.

[fading verge]

new to unity so i want someone to figure out what to do here

[torn igloo]

have to rerig it to humanoid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377176391667417090/984212147317923890/unknown.png

[fading verge]

do you know how to leave the inspector thing first? im sorry im new

[torn igloo]

scroll down with the bigger bar, and then hit done

also to rerig it, you need blender

[fading verge]

i have blender

also yes the rig is humanoid

[torn igloo]

looking at the prefab, there is no armature?

[fading verge]

where is prefab

[torn igloo]

there is no start parent that has children to make an armature, so you must rig this yourself

[fading verge]

i have a question

[torn igloo]

?

[fading verge]

so i play vrchat on pc right

do you also have to rig it for pc

for non vr mode

[torn igloo]

you have to rig it regardless because there are no bones to animate even for a generic rig

[fading verge]

so when i rig will it be usable for both non vr and vr?

[torn igloo]

yes

[fading verge]

ok thats nice

so you said i needed blender to rig it correctly?

[brazen island]

when you on desktop it plays some default animations like walking looking etc. humanoid avatar shouldnt have any difference between pc/vr/fbt its just what is controlling it parts, animation or tracking

[fading verge]

does this apply to vr mode aswell?

[brazen island]

unless im too cooked i explicietly mentioned it. you either a rock/chair/cardboard box or a humanoid that will (should, you can still break it) get all the benefits of vr/fbt

[fading verge]

alright so what im hearing is that there are default animations (for non-vr) and a default rig depending on what rig your using for vr mode?

[brazen island]

for every humanoid avi theres default set of animations that you run depending on your tracking. rig=skeleton definition and its relation to mesh, it doesnt change between modes, it just flatscreen user cant move their hand and nonfbt cant lift their leg without some animation.

eveb fbt ones use animations to run around (tho its disableable)

[fading verge]

im just hoping i can import it to vrchat now

i dont think theres any rig i wanna add to it

for now i just wanna see how it looks in game

although one thing im concerned about

the models hands look like gloves

[brazen island]

lemmy say it the other wsy aroundm if it can perform default emotions - its ok. without the proper rig itd be a solid object like pvc anime figure independent of your platform

[fading verge]

not enough bones to create human avatar

[tribal basin]

i know its been a while but, in blender, where would i find the rigging tab? (if that's what im assuming i should do)

[fading verge]

is there a way i can insert a default animation?

[brazen island]

@tribal basin theres no such thing, its either efit mode with an armsture selected or weightpaikt with mesh selected

@fading verge make unity recognize your rig as a humanoid, done

[tribal basin]

i found a video just now, i'm gonna try and make a rig from scratch for the first time 🤞

[fading verge]

how i do that

[brazen island]

@tribal basin you can always use mixamo/accurig as a starting point

[fading verge]

i tried but it says not enough bones

this is what im looking at

[brazen island]

@fading verge yep. 17 is the bare minimum for vrc i believe, fix your armature

[fading verge]

what should i do??

[tribal basin]

i think my problems are stemming from the fact that the model i'm using isn't a complete character model but i may be making up excuses

[brazen island]

@fading verge

blenddr time

[fading verge]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[round wasp]

is there any specific naming of joints i have to follow?

[brazen island]

no, unity tries to guess it from the hierarchy

[round wasp]

alirghty, thanks

[brazen island]

@round wasp tho if youre going for physbones etc name it like z_bonename (z_boob.L) or smth so the humanoid bones would be the top children.

[round wasp]

ah alright, i'm just doing a normal humanoid avatar so i def won't be needing those

[round wasp]

do i have to IK anything for the rig? or just skeleton binded to model?

[umbral fossil]

Hey quick question
There are two models that I really want to rig, I'm broke and don't want to pay anyone else to do it so I want to learn how to do it myself
I know there are a lot of rigging tutorials out there but like which one is the best for beginners who have never done anything like that
I know a bit how Blender works but that's about where my knowledge ends

[delicate kelp]

If they're humanoid models then you can use rigify (built in blender addon) to do all the hard work (all you have to do is position it). Look up a tutorial for it, it's fortunately quite simple!

[umbral fossil]

I'm not sure if that's gonna work because I ripped the models from a game directly and because of that they're not in a t-pose

But more complicated poses

They are humanoid but their poses don't really lend themselves to ''it's clear which bone goes where''

[delicate kelp]

t-pose/a-pose are ideal for the best deformations, but other poses will "work" (though if this is for an avatar it may turn out poorly). If you want to test it out you can still pose the rigify bones in the same pose which is still pretty simple. But depending on if the model's topology or if it was even built for deformations at all it may be "not good" to "really bad". You might have to make modifications to the model to be more deformation friendly before rigging

[umbral fossil]

Hold on I'll send a few screenshots so you can get an idea of what the model looks like

This is the 2nd model

[delicate kelp]

Oh that's not too bad, you should be able to rig that with rigify. Again results wont be perfect without modifications, but it may be serviceable at least

[umbral fossil]

hm

You said there was a quite easy tutorial for it, do you have a link for me?

[delicate kelp]

I didn't mention any tutorials, but it's so easy to learn you can find one under 10 minutes no problem. I didn't watch this one but here's the first result on google, it should cover it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snvlZcQUoXs

[umbral fossil]

oh

Alright

I have another question as well, how does rigging props to the model work

[umbral fossil]

Cause if everything goes well this model would have three props that you can activate and deactivate : a staff in the right hand, a wand in the left hand and a hat

[delicate kelp]

You mean like attaching props? You can probably just parent the prop to the hand bone. I never did VRC stuff so idk how the SDK handles activating/deactiavting but yea that should work fine anyway

[umbral fossil]

I've been looking for a while but I can't find where to download rigify

[delicate kelp]

You don't download rigify, it comes with blender. You only have to enable it in addons, the tutorial I sent covers that at the start of the vid

[umbral fossil]

Oh

My bad

[delicate kelp]

Np

[umbral fossil]

I didn't watch it yet cause I thought I'd need to install it first

[delicate kelp]

Yea totally understandable

[umbral fossil]

Did I do this right?

[umbral fossil]

Now I have another question, cause like this character doesn't have legs, do I still have to add leg bones?

[balmy delta]

To be humanoid yes

[umbral fossil]

Whyu does it give me this error when I generate the rig

Never mind

Fixed it

[umbral fossil]

Alright it doesn't uh, quite work like it's supposed to

[balmy delta]

my main question

why isnt it in tpose

or at least a pose

[umbral fossil]

Because I rigged it directly from a game itself

It's nowhere to be found online

So it's still in the same pose as when I rigged it

ripped

I mean ripped

Not rigged

[balmy delta]

its much easier to rig it when its in tpose

[umbral fossil]

May be but there is no t pose of this anywhere

[balmy delta]

then edit the mesh into a tpose

[umbral fossil]

I don't know how without messing things up

I'm very new to this stuff

[balmy delta]

the entire body is one mesh correct?

[umbral fossil]

Yeah

[balmy delta]

just click it and enter edit mode then just pose the arms

[delicate kelp]

For the stuff like moving the fingers you'll have to adjust the weight painting and make the finger bones not affect the body at all. It's a simple fix, just paint out the body on the finger bones

[umbral fossil]

ah

[delicate kelp]

You can delete your current rig and unhide the metarig to do the adjustments

[umbral fossil]

Don't I have to do the weight painting on the rig itself though, not the metarig?

[delicate kelp]

the metarig is the bones

[umbral fossil]

I know

The bones look like they're in place though

[delicate kelp]

ah I see what you mean. It requires both the bones and the mesh

each bone has its own weight paint values. Weight painting just determines how much each bone affects the mesh (from not at all, to completely, and anything in between)

[umbral fossil]

This is pretty much how it should be right?

[delicate kelp]

yup perfect

[umbral fossil]

NEat

So now I make the rig and do some weight painting?

[delicate kelp]

you already have the rig (the bones), but yea weight painting is next

for the drapes you probably just want to have 100% influence from the root bone (pelvis) unless you plan on making physics for it. I don't have experience on physics though so I couldn't help there

[balmy delta]

the best you would get with the current rig is the hip down being completely red

[umbral fossil]

I don't know what that means

[delicate kelp]

Basically weight paint the drapes completely red (on the pelvis/hip bone)

[umbral fossil]

Ah, alright

So how do I know where goes how much weight paint

Especially on stuff like the fingers?

[river ingot]

fingers should have a rainbow coloring, red for middle, then yellow, green, blue. green/blue can overlap other bone weights. Just measure them by the bone length. Also I noticed while weightpainting one bone, you painted over something beyond that bone which was causing something else to move when moving that bone. Like the fingers, weight paint away from the body next time so it won't spray onto the body too. Also the hand and pelvic bones may not be connected which would cause them to not move with the upper body when moving it.

[umbral fossil]

Okay but then how to I paint each individual finger piece (thumbsL001, thumbL002, etcetera), which part should have the most and least weight paint then since they're so close to eachother

[fading verge]

tyyoo whats the rigging template?

nvm i found it

do i need hands ?

i have rec room like hands in my character

[balmy delta]

Hand bone/wrist bone
Fingers dont matter

[fading verge]

ok phew

[leaden solstice]

nvm

[solemn lintel]

I've consistently had this problem with a variety of different rigs within Blender, and after a lot of googling I can't find a solution to my particular problem...

The issue is that when I rotate an avatar's head to look down or look up, the eyes and teeth poke out of the head the further the head is rotated. I have the eyes and teeth fully weighted to their own bones. Their bones are parented to the head bone. Is there some kind of weird bone parent / weighting hierarchy that I'm doing wrong?

[solemn lintel]

^ I solved my own problem

The issue was that some random bone unrelated to the head had a barely-perceptible amount of vertex weight influence over the head, so once I removed that influence entirely it stopped the bad eye and teeth movement

[eternal kernel]

Is there a good "Stretch To" constraint in Unity that is compatible with VRChat? In Blender there's a Stretch To constraint that is useful for rigging pistons for example, and 3dsMax and Maya have bone settings, bone node trees, and other methods to allow them to stretch to a certain target.

The best option I can think of for Unity is using a PhysBone that stretches to it's child "end" bone. And that end bone has a parent constraint to another bone, like the forearm.

[river ingot]

there is a stretch option on physbones..true..

[eternal kernel]

I did use the physbones for these head cables and it worked out pretty well after playing with the settings
This used a similar setup, allbeit multiple bones for the wires. I just wasn't sure if there was a better way to get a Stretch To rig in Unity without the use of custom scripts

[eternal kernel]

I'm adding on to this, it seems like my method doesn't actually work. The thing I'm trying to get is this bone to scale on the y axis to the opposite blue piston. I thought maybe the PhysBones might work, but nothing I'm doing seems to actually make it stretch to get to it's child bone and work. Are there some sort of optional stretchy bones vrchat can do? I could make a script to do what I'm wanting but of course VRChat wouldn't use it.

Adding on to this, the "Stretch To" constraint I want I don't nesecarily need on the arm (I can't get away with it just with an Aim Constraint). The problem is that I have bones that need this feature since the rig is that much more complex in these spots

[eternal kernel]

Are there IK constraints in Unity? I know VRChat uses FinalIK but it is a paid addon and VRChat doesn't necessarily recommend it's usage, so it would be a gamble to try to use it. Honestly I'm surprised Unity doesn't have any more constraints since Unreal Engine has Control Rigs you can make and animate in the engine

[formal hare]

How much use do the shoulders see in-game? Ie, how poor of weight painting can I get away with on them for it not to be a big issue ingame?

[rare moon]

I think you have to use final IK? I don't believe there are any IK components in Unity by default, and the only IK components whitelisted for vrchat are final IK

[river ingot]

technically, if you put constraints on them in the rigging section, they won't have to move much forward or backwards, or even up or down. Most basic avatars have weights mostly moving the arms around and aren't weightpainting the shoulders to move honestly.

[rustic fox]

not sure what to do, but just added bones to this in blender and got everything connected but not sure how to set up the avatar for the animator, any help would be great

[rustic fox]

Figured it out

[devout pike]

Hi I'm looking for a way to make floating orb eyes with narrowing and changing shape smoothly, for now got 2 ideas, make each mode separate on invisible eyeballs or make red glowing eyeball and eyelids making most of it invisible making desired shapes?

[fresh charm]

Hello im trying to find out how to set my avatar in Unity to A pose position (like T pose but it is A).

[fading verge]

do the skeletons have to be symmetrical? i have the arm completely symmetrical however the fingers are slightly off on one side

i tried messing with the model to make it look better but it's a robot hand so it looks weird when scaled

would be easier to change the bones to fit it better

[oblique furnace]

@fading verge The skeleton doesn't have to be perfectly symmetrical when it comes down to rotations, but both sides should at least have the same reach when fully stretched out because proportions.
In Unity when configuring a humanoid rig, you can enforce a T Pose to see how it looks when everything is supposed to be pointing in their correct directions. VRChat puts your humanoid models into an IK pose when initially loaded which you can also view, but only in play mode with an animator who's default state is the IK pose. You can also provide your own IK pose animation should yours be special. Refer to the default IK pose animation on how it should look.
iirc, you can also do the same for T pose, but there is something that can be said about deviating from standards because the defaults usually should just work

[empty compass]

Hi, do I go here for rigging help or is it at the #avatar-help do i request help with rigging?

I'm having some issues with the my hands in VR with a custom avatar

[empty compass]

Sorry for the spamming of images in advance: So I'm rigging my Avatar and the hands deform to odd shapes. But my bone structure and hierarchy seem to be correct. So to make sure that this wasn't and issue with my model or rig I downloaded a clean model from Mixamo into blender and exported it to vrchat and still had the same hand deformaties.

here is the clean mixamo model with the same issue

Its the hand dents and curled back fingers on the oben hand that is getting me. How do I make the hands look natural lik this spiderman model?

[fervent mantle]

weight painting

[empty compass]

I tried that :/ oh well. I'll keep at it then. Thank you anyways, honestly

[river ingot]

I had that problem too. you have to go into the sdk, pull out the locomotion, gestures, and idle and put change the way the fingers are in idle in the animation window in unity. then put that idle file into the gestures 'idle" slot..and the locomotions slot.

it may be more complicated than that but its a off of the top of my head way to explain it.

garr...theres the windows u need open. At the top right is the idle pose, and the "open' button at the top right of that, click that, and it'll open the bottom left window. there you have to change the decimals around so the fingers are at the lineage that you want them to be at for the idle pose. Then you insert that idle pose into the gestures and locomotion where needed to replace the default idle.

oh yah, then those customized gestures, locomotions etc, have to be put in the respective slots in the avatar descriptor.

[untold thorn]

I'm trying to parent the bones on my character, but blender won't let me. Does anyone know how to fix this?

When I try to parent the bones to each other, the option to do so is grayed out.

[arctic sundial]

that may happen if the bones are not joined (different armatures, merge them first)

[river ingot]

cats plugin also has an option that does it for u

[untold thorn]

I think I did that already, but I'll try it again.

[zealous latch]

I'm in the process of making a custom avatar for myself and I'm having trouble figuring something out. I'm still working on the model and the armature in blender, and I can't find any guides that explain how to set up the armature for what I'm trying to achieve. This is my very first avatar so I may have bitten off more than I can chew. I'm trying to create a humanoid avatar with four arms, and I want to set up the armature in a way where I can switch between controlling each set of arms individually, or as one unit. I know it's possible because I've used an avatar with that kind of feature before, but I have no idea how to set it up myself

The arms are both humanoid, one having hands and the other ending in large claws that do not pose or flex.

[copper halo]

default blender without cats has that option

no need for cats. it just breaks more than it fixes

[river ingot]

true

[river ingot]

you can have one arm mirroring the other on each side..but not all individually, you would need 4 arms yourself for that, or have 2 with just physbones that kind of wobble around when u move or have a seperate animation going on via a toggle or something.

[indigo lake]

Woa im makin a four armed one too
Aint that crazy
If u get your answer can u mention it to me pretty pls that sounds cool

[ebon elbow]

hello
I put a hoodie on my avatar in blender and weight painted it so it stays and stretches with my avatar pretty good.
the hoodie does not have any armature but it has two drawstrings for the hood.
I put my own bones on the drawstrings as separate armatures and I don't know if that's correct, but I'm just trying to make it so that the drawstrings will hang down and maybe shake around a little bit if i'm moving.
the problem I'm at right now is that the bones on the drawstrings aren't actually attached to the hoodie yet. I'm not sure how I should approach this, any ideas?

[river ingot]

They look close to the neck, or upper chest bone,(if you have one) Parent them to either of them. Looks like they may be parented to soemthing downwards according to those dotted lines

[faint crow]

Hey, i was switching from 2019-2022 unity, and my avatar's rigs dont work anymore. with 2019 everything is fine but 2022 unity it breaks them, claming the character isnt in t-pose, and, even when I use 'reenforce tpose' it still doesnt work, and jsut acts liek it never had a rig in the first place. its frustrating because i wante to be ableto use 2022 but it jsut seems unusable. Has anybody else run into this issue? ( i can provide pics if wanted as well)

[turbid verge]

i’m having a hard time rigging pants

[leaden solstice]

need help my sdk isent showing up in my unity

[turbid verge]

i can get everything to anchor to my hips, but nothing else on the pants connect with the body, they just stay in play

[celest oyster]

My model in unity is in A pose and it makes adding certain assets a pain in the ass, is there a way to make him T pose by default?

[arctic sundial]

Change the rest pose to be T-pose in blender

[covert summit]

you can also use pumkin tools and use the reset pose thing to force it into T pose

should an avatars arm be as straight as possible with a sligh bend near the elbow

[river ingot]

is it all weightpainted to the legs/hips etc?

[river ingot]

via blender setting it as default pose

[river ingot]

this should be listed in the creator companion section. With Creator Companion installed, sdk is automatically installed with it as default.

[turbid verge]

i actually got it fixed thx tho

[floral crystal]

I actually just had this issue and it was because I renamed my Armature in Blender.
https://forum.unity.com/threads/humanoid-but-isnt-specified-and-mapped-are-litterally-specified-and-mapped-in-the-rig.509615/

[thorn wasp]

quick question, my avatar's spine/chest/upper chest seem to shrink into eachother when sitting.
Does having upper chest make this more common?
Does shrinking the neck bone do anything nowadays?
Is this being caused because the spine-chest-upperchest isnt long enough? or too long? in comparison to legs or arms?

[kind mortar]

Don't have a upper chest, unless you want issues

[thorn wasp]

thought there was a mention they fixed the upper chest issues, but guess i'll go back to removing it.

[wispy agate]

Hey guys im just trying out editing the rig on the base I use for my personal and im looking at another base I got and I noticed the neck, chest, spine hips and leg bones all have a roll of 0 on this other base where mine has different values on each which is correct should humanoid bones have roll applied?

[pale pumice]

you really want 0 roll on everything humanoid, and also eyes

[crisp linden]

Posting this here cause i wasnt sure where it would Go
I need help fixing a Issue
its not detecting a Humanoid Rig in unity for some reason well kind of
when i enforced T Pose it works
WHen i save it doesnt save the T pose and Still shows the same error
even when i put in a T Pose Default It doesnt work.
Hope these images help but i Dont know if its a Unity issue or Blender issue.

[wintry maple]

Weight painting issue
soo.. id weight paint on one bone but 1) its not mirroring and 2) if i go to another bone if just appears on the first bone i painted

or sometimes when i to paint somewhere it wont appear at all

[river ingot]

I put mine in t-pose in blender and save it as defaul there. Then it does so in unity when u drop it in. Whats the error showing?

[river ingot]

In the top right is the xyz buttons, I think the "x" one will mirror side to side when u paint. Useful for like body, but not arm bones or the like where u need a left and right side. 2. I think u need to click on the mesh a certain way to make the mesh active or, alt+A then it'll paint.

[wintry maple]

2 but i tried doing that

1 also okay i didnt realise lol thank you

[crisp linden]

i will try

[crisp linden]

how do i change the avatar pose to T pose?

[river ingot]

In blender, you have to put it into pose mode, then rotate the arms and other body parts into position

[junior goblet]

there should be an option in unity (in the assets, click on ur model, then rig, then change the animation type to humanoid, then apply, the hit configure, scroll down on the right side til u see a dropdown menu named "Pose" and click Enforce T-Pose)

[river ingot]

Its how your bones should be positioned in relation to the body for a T-pose.

[mellow nymph]

I made custom clothing that is linked to a skeleton in blender, weight painted, and can be posed just fine, but when it imports into Unity, I'm met with this error; what's the deal and how can I fix this issue?

[mellow nymph]

Figured it out, Taking the FBX to substance and then exporting it from there sort of broke the skeleton binding, so I had to take the exported FBX back into blender and RE-Apply the armature...

Follow up question: Anyone know if it's possible to prevent substance from breaking the pose/losing the bone weight data?

[white needle]

does anyone know how to fix this im fairly new to blender so i don't know what this is or how to fix it

alot of the bones are paired to the hips

[bold field]

Look up how to parent bones, and parent them to their closest bone (finger to wrist and face bones to head for example)

[wintry maple]

my avatar is actling like the legs wont work? as in theyll be in the right place and stuff but they dont move at all.
i cant find where to check the armature rig in unity either

i dont know if this js the right channel for this or not

[arctic sundial]

The legs dont move in play mode or ingame? (big difference)

[wintry maple]

both

in play mode (using gesture manager) they stay scrunched up

in game they stay straight down even if i move around

[arctic sundial]

Yea sounds like maybe the leg assignm,ent wasnt done right in unity

Find the fbx file of the avatar in your asset folder

When you click on it there, you will see there are import settings in the inspector. That is where you will find the rig tab

[wintry maple]

i know how to find it usually but im not seeing that in here

[arctic sundial]

Lets try a picture because otherwise i can only guess what you are/arent seeing

[wintry maple]

feel i should not that the avatar changes body types and all the files i see in here for models arent any fbx stuffs?

[arctic sundial]

That looks like the separate meshes

[wintry maple]

the only other thing i see aside from these mesh is the prefab for the avatar

[arctic sundial]

The prefab will include the fbx it uses

Usually how i find this fast is i go into the avatar descriptor of my avatar and it will have an "avatar" assignes (the blue stick man symbol) - when clicking that, itll jump to where thats from

https://i.imgur.com/j4niM39.png

[wintry maple]

dont quesrion the avatar haha

shes adorable

what if i tried to delete that rig? would it direct me to create a new one?

[arctic sundial]

No, you create them in the import settings of the avatar

https://i.imgur.com/5HDeMbT.png

I have a feeling its gonna be on the body. But i dont get why someone would pluck all the parts apart like that. Its confusing af and unclear

[wintry maple]

i dont see anywhere i can do that 😭😭

[arctic sundial]

Which mesh does the body use? If you click the body and the mesh it says in the inspector, where does it lead you

[wintry maple]

does this for everything

[arctic sundial]

the heck is your inspector

[wintry maple]

lol

[arctic sundial]

Try the next one over

Body Typ something

[wintry maple]

all the same way

[arctic sundial]

Thats so weird, i have never seen an avatar that doesnt have a prefab. Well, you can still edit the existing "avatar" i guess

Perhaps duplicate it first, then open/edit it there, then assign the edit in the descriptor

[wintry maple]

i might aswell give up/redo tbh

thank you for trying to help me anyways though

💙

[strange yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GmAupH5Co0

I've watched something like this and below the comments one guy said there are also twist bones for upper arm twist bones, but I failed to make it in Unity with Rotation Constraint

Is there any ways to make it?

[ashen iris]

Realizing this is probably the better place to put it, but trying to get these earring bones to work properly. Everything deforms/poses as it should in blender, however in Unity in play mode, the only unweighted part of the mesh is completely wacked out (second photo). Moves in weird ways and isn't anchored in place, cannot figure out for the life of me why its doing this. Even the motion works and anchors properly for the rest of the bone stack, except the stud that's supposed to be stationary on the ear,

[river ingot]

you said its unweighted and the unweighed part is whats messing up? That sounds like the solution.

[ashen iris]

Does it need to be? Its stationary and even trying to flip back through some other models led me to believe it didnt have to be since theres no bones or movement necessary for that part in particular

[river ingot]

weight paint it to whatever the ears weightpainted to and it'll stay in place with the ear.

[ashen iris]

That does make sense, Ill try that, thank you

[ashen iris]

That seems to have been the problem, cheers!

[grave oak]

Hi, so I have a question relating to weight painting. Is it possible when selecting a vertex group, that the corresponding bone of the vertex group shows up or is highlighted?

I figured it out, all good. In object mode you have to click the armature, then shift click the mesh, go into weight paint mode, then ctrl left click the corresponding bone for that vertex group.

[turbid verge]

Glad you could figure it out, sorry that no one was available to help

[indigo nacelle]

Are there any good guides on making you own animations for you avatar. Im talking like animate a dance or something in blender and put it into unity. I have a rigged model and i want to bring it into unity with its animations but the bone dependancies dont match up to a normal humanoid skeleton

[analog quest]

i'm trying to update to new unity version and it thinks my avatar is not rigged correctly but it clearly is???

[arctic sundial]

I saw someone say in the past to change your rig to non humanoid, save, then back to humanoid

Maybe that helps "refresh it"?

[weak yarrow]

can you verify on your avatar animator that the armature object is selected ?

[analog quest]

this animator? or did i lose something on the sdk upgrade?

[analog quest]

thanks for the suggestion but it didn't seem to help

[weak yarrow]

yeah no, your animator does have the avatar field correctly filled. Maybe you don't use the right one, if you can verify that.

[analog quest]

as far as i can tell that's the only compatible object

it seems to be inside teh imported fbx

[weak yarrow]

and when you select it, you should click on configure in the inspector

see if your rig is good on this one

[formal hare]

I've got this couple of vertices that seem to move with the left middle finger when they shouldn't. I fixed this in blender and unity-and everything is perfect there-but ingame i cant get this problem to go away.
How do I fix this/diagnose the issue if I can't see anything wrong in blender/unity?

[arctic sundial]

Did you give weight cleanup or weight normalization a try yet?

[formal hare]

no idea what those are haha

[arctic sundial]

Weight cleanup: removes weights below a threshold that you can specify, which works well for getting rid of them areas you cannot see as theyre dark blue but when picking with dropper, show theres like .000001 weight on it https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/scene_layout/object/editing/cleanup.html

Normalize will make sure all weights will add up to 1 https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/sculpt_paint/weight_paint/editing.html#normalize-all

[formal hare]

ill give it a shot, thanks

[river ingot]

u can also go to the rig section, and theres a tab for muscles and constraints. It'll let you test your avatar when it moves different bones to see if there are any weight paint issues and or bone mishaps.

[peak osprey]

having the same issue, were u able to find a solution?

[analog quest]

i think it was because my fbx had been unpacked and edited. dragging back in the fbx and attaching an avatar descriptor to it seemed to solve it

[peak osprey]

like, deleting the first attempt and reimporting entirely? starting from scratch and putting the descriptor on before unpacking?

very new to unity, sorry for lots of questions

oh also this is a quest avatar im trying to make, idk if that makes a difference

[analog quest]

i literally just dragged a second copy up from assets to the heirarchy without deleting at first to test. if you have more than one descriptor in the scene the top of the sdk control panel lets you choose which to upload/edit/ec

once the new copy was working i did eventually delete the old though

[peak osprey]

worked perfectly, thank you @analog quest ❤️

[analog quest]

no problem. now if only i could get past this blender import issue lol

[peak osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/miia-monster-musume-anime-blush-sweating-gif-16442752

if only i could help, but alas, i am smupid

[arctic sundial]

What happens if you detach the mesh?

https://youtu.be/ibNZbPW2by4?si=Mw4FGR4fvfctBBJr

[crisp linden]

Having issues with my Legs when i crouch down the Legs Spread out in a V shape rather then the Normal l l shape How can i fix that?

[robust crescent]

straighten your legs (blender) or go bowlegged 🐇

[crisp linden]

how do i do that?

can bowlegged be done in Unity?

[robust crescent]

nope

if they arent straight when viewed from front they either go in or out when crouching

closer to that less issues

[crisp linden]

I am new to Rigging so How do i fix the legs?

Do i Change the Roll?

[robust crescent]

edit mode and just move bones so they are more aligned

[crisp linden]

alright so this is what it looks like atm

and this is the Full legs

[balmy oracle]

Does my Avatar NEED chest and shoulder bones? I'm trying to rig an animatronic and its not going well.

[kind mortar]

Yes it needs everything but it does not have to be weight painted

[balmy oracle]

yikes, so how do I fix this?

[kind mortar]

fix what? It looks fine?

[balmy oracle]

the neck and shoulder is coming out, they aren't moving together properly

[kind mortar]

Weight paint needs to be fixed then

[balmy oracle]

ive tried that but it doesnt seem to change a thing

guess ill just mess with it some more

[fervent mantle]

realistically the shoulders and neck don't move much, the rig on that model should be fine, I have it and I dont really have any issues with it

[short spindle]

I wanna rig this so bad but idk how to. I tried looking up a tutorial but it confused me. Does anyone have a quick rundown?

[kind mortar]

I would take the shortcut/easy cheaty way and use Mixamo tbh >_>

[patent ether]

If i wanted to rig a model that looks like this for example how would that work becuse of the neck?

[balmy delta]

The 90 angle of the neck part of the head

[carmine ibex]

i just spent 10 hours rigging and weight painting a roblox avatar, turned out well

[river ingot]

If you use the standard required bones, a lot of the required ones can be made really short/small, and just use one arm bone, one leg bone etc for the actual movements.

[fresh wave]

Jeez rigging is impossible

Can anyone help me with my avatar rigging I’m doing horrible

[short spindle]

no I meant how do I actually use the bones FOR rigging?

[copper halo]

Yes

[copper halo]

Blue = neck, red = head

[river ingot]

In Blender, the mesh has to be weightpainted to the bones. Constraints or restraints on bone movement while in game can be done only in unity under the secondary tab in the rigging section.

[patent ether]

I mean like the bones because you know the head isn't ontop of the heck.

[fading verge]

Hello. I am looking for some help/advice in finding a way to get my SecondLife avatar into VR Chat. if anyone is knowledgable in this regard, please DM me

[dreamy heron]

Hiyaaaa, I wanna get into learning how to use blender for VRchat. More specifically rigging clothes to preexisting models and weightpainting them on. (Especially clothes that aren’t fit for a specific base I use.)

Does anyone know a good source of materials and or videos I could use to learn?

[urban nymph]

if anyone could help me, Ive been going at this for hours trying to rig this skirt to work with physbone but no matter what I do/changes I make, it keeps colliding with the thighs. Could someone help me? 😭

[spiral pecan]

do you have physbone colliders on your leg and them assigned to the bones?

[wheat geyser]

Does anyone have experience in making a short legged avatar work with FBT without the legs folding weirdly when going into a crouching position? I know it can't be 1 to 1 tracking because of the body proportion but there must be some way to make the legs at least not go crazy and act normally.

[wheat tulip]

Add external collidors

What external collidors do is force the dress to stay within the external collidors radius.

[modern crystal]

question, what are the REQUIRED bones for a humanoid rig?

[robust crescent]

these , toes and fingers not needed

[stone swift]

how many bones should i have for this hair

[river ingot]

they look divided into a few thick segments..maybe just one on each shoulder portion and maybe one or two in the back at the ends

[slow trout]

ik this is a very late reply to ya post, but you can try just adding a gesture layer on the avi, and then going into each hand pose animation, and fixing it by slightly adjusting each finger. Here's a reference vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql-FTv5ujgU

[short spindle]

Does anybody know how to rig something like this? All the tutorials I found didn't really help me and everytime I try to rig it, the model breaks. Also Mixamo doesn't work with this model either so that's out of the picture.

[hollow bronze]

Jus rig it without fingies

That what i did for my avatar

It only needs the minimum requiremenys

[short spindle]

it still breaks though

i'm trying to do vector rigging but I have no idea how to do it properly

well, I think that's what it's called anyways

[short spindle]

and keep in mind, I can't rig like... at all. I'm only trying to do it myself because i'm broke and have nobody else to help with this.

[hollow bronze]

I can do it for you

Shouldnt take long

[short spindle]

thanks, i'll send the .blend file

[hollow bronze]

👍

[torn locust]

i need this so bad🥲

[short spindle]

it's hopefully almost done being added to VRchat but I have the model rigged by VY here if you wanna check it out in Blender.

[torn locust]

ill wait till its on vrc!!

[neon compass]

I made this Blender Addon that helps you attach objects to the mesh, it generates weight paint and shape keys automatically
It greatly speeds up the work of putting piercings or earrings on your avatar
https://vxtwitter.com/DX_Nacca/status/1743387640685113694

[hollow bronze]

ouu

i'mma have to use this for things outside of VRChat 😂

[wise brook]

Im having an issue with unity 2022 when i try to add phys bones nothing happends i
see them or anything and i know there there idk what the issue is help plz 🙏

[pale pumice]

post a screenshot of the physbone component and the bone chain in the hierarchy?

[wise brook]

its weird cause it works for some but not everting like the butt root it wont do anything nether the thigh

[wise brook]

idk the bone is there but no idea why isnt not working

[robust crescent]

add endpoint (y)

[wise brook]

oh im slow ty ❤️

[clear barn]

Unity Avatar armature config has slots for Chest and Upper Chest. It seems like most avatars don't use or have a bone for Upper Chest. Is there some reason for this, some reason it still shouldn't be used in sdk3?

[robust crescent]

you can use them , older avs we just unmapped/merged them

[limber oasis]

do i need to get the fingers, skirt ends, and toe ends streightened out? if so how precise do i need to be?

[safe bane]

would anyone be willing to rig a model for me for 10 bucks

[pale pumice]

ha

[kind mortar]

Never ask here, unless you want to be scammed, always vrc traders

[safe bane]

Alright where is that a new server or another chat

[kind mortar]

#community-servers-old

[kind mortar]

Have you tried mixamo? it's free and works really well usually

[safe bane]

I have not

[safe bane]

What’s it called

[kind mortar]

Mixamo.com

[open night]

hello i need a person that will make a spiderman avatar for me

[robust moat]

any idea why this would happen?
Pops up when entering paymode after setting up physbones

[balmy delta]

Never ask here
Go to vrctraders and expect to pay money for it

[little lark]

Could I get some help with rigging an avatar? If their's a video or something I'd really appreciate it. I am starting with just a simple cube man, so it shouldn't be too difficult right?

[wintry maple]

what is this message trying to tell me???

[brazen island]

@wintry maple rename your mesh from head to smth else

or the bone? probably the bone to not mess up expressions?

[wintry maple]

i just imported it

just rename it to anything???

[brazen island]

so theyre not the same

[brazen island]

and the hierarchy looks like?

[wintry maple]

please please please ignore the huge boingas 😭

[brazen island]

hierarchy. just screenshot the whole screen, hierarchy and green man included

[wintry maple]

oooo ok

i really hope thats what you mean

[brazen island]

would help if i could see anything related to the head bone🫠

both panels omit right informatiom

[wintry maple]

aarrgsgg im sorry

[brazen island]

and you renamed what

i see Head

[wintry maple]

uhhhhh hold on let me do it in blender and re import

i had to rename it in blender

says its finer now

thank you most!

[brazen island]

np

also if you know blender you can merge head and body now, it should ne more optimised for 2022. unless youd have to redo the animations.

tho im not sure about memory usage with blendshapes

[pale pumice]

afaik that hasn't changed

[brazen island]

@pale pumice i mean would body+head take more/less/same vram against combimed

[pale pumice]

i can't see why

I mean, I can't see why it'd be different

(I don't know for sure)

[slow trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QkgqsRyRMo heres two video's to help ya starting out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRLR8SGVK0

[waxen gulch]

anyone know to to add shoes to an avi that has the feet like this? im new to adding clothes and wanted to add these to my avatar and never have used blender b4 for this.

[modern crystal]

is having one bone for the hands fine?

[balmy delta]

fingers are not required

[balmy delta]

bit annoying and easier done in unity being honest
just slap the shoes at that angle in blender and then when rigging in unity just rotate the feet bones then lower the avi

[modern crystal]

so just one bone as the hand is fine? gotcha.

[waxen gulch]

AHHH Thank youuuuu

[kind mortar]

Honestly what I do is just pose the feet flat, then set it as the rest pose, then you can edit the bone to go back to the way it was. it seems complicated but it's really easy and takes not even a minuite

[river ingot]

yah, you should change the "rest pose" so the feet are flat like the shoes are. Then you'd need to weight paint the shoes to the feet so they'll move when the feet move.

[deft tusk]

i wonder what makes some avatar lift their heels and stand on their toes when floating midair using spacedrag (like the one in OVR Advanced Settings) while others dont

is that related to rig settings?

[river ingot]

I know it'll hang in default, but if I put my trackers on it'll be flat on the floor

in vr descriptor you may need to double check what your dropping into the idle and locomotion boxes, then check the customizations your dropping in there to make sure their all set the way you want them.

[little lark]

Probably the most help I've ever gotten from this discord. Thank you.

[slow trout]

no worries lol

[astral quest]

does anyone know why my edit mode and object mode for this mesh differ, I want to make a shape key but without the two being the same I cant really set the key? when in pose mode everything looks like the first picture

[slow trout]

what you can do it make extra bones on the avatars legs that aren't the main leg and knee or ankle bones, and weight paint the legs to the extra ones instead and have then parented to the bone closest to them, I what I did for my titan avi's so the legs would keep there bend without straitening out, you also want to try and make the foot/ankle bone and toe bone flat on the ground in blender

[slow trout]

looks like you just need to rest pose mode

In Object Data Properties, enable Rest Position. Don't forget to re-enable Pose Position once you're done.

you can also try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SDTkyH0TaU

[slow trout]

if trying both these options don't work, you might need to just re position it manually

[astral quest]

turning the mesh modifier "bind to vertex groups" also set its position back, is that something ok to turn off?

[slow trout]

if you turn that off and go into pose mode on the model, the bones might not move with the mesh anymore

oh wait

[slow trout]

try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=766q97OHy1E

btw in the vid he apply's the armature in the modifier menu, you don't need to do that

[astral quest]

ok so the rest position is the same as the edit position, my issue is that I need the mesh to be in the pose position when I edit it, is that possible?

I need to make the objest sit at a certain location when I turn on the shape key and the position would be different if I editied it in rest

[slow trout]

you should be able to do that using this method

[steady loom]

Anyone know why an aim constraint might be doing this?

The Aim constraint looks like this,

Each hand has an empty, which is aim constrained to an empty in the other hand.

Unchecking freeze rotation axis seems to cause some serious issues with it, but i can't find a way to stop it rotating in the hand.

[slow trout]

both hands seem to be rotating fine with the sword?, do you just want the wrist to rotate with the handle of the blade better or something?

oh wait, you just want it to rotate in only one hand at a time?

[steady loom]

I want the sword to not spin weirdly when i move it in certain angles,

the wrist of the "main" hand holding it (in this case the left one) should control the roll of the blade

but instead the sword seems to spin bizzarely,

[slow trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c7Rq2HxzOE

try this vid

I haven't watched the vid in awhile but it should have a solution to ya problem

hopefully😅

[steady loom]

yeah i saw that and tried it but it doesn't stop the rotation

especially as it's basically how i've got it set up already

[slow trout]

only thing I could think of would be to use an Ik setup using final ik

would mean you would have to redo the constraints tho lol

plus the whole unity package to get final ik is like 60$ sumthin US I think

[steady loom]

I do have final IK

but

that is some real suffering

[slow trout]

lmao, I feel ya on that one

[steady loom]

I just want it to lock on one axis and "look at" with the other two, this should be relatively simple,

but for whatever reason, it just... isn't.

[slow trout]

unity go buur

I only know how to do that set up using final ik so me is not much help, Im sorry

Ig just try reposting later if ya still stuck on it and someone else might know

sorry g😅

[charred kite]

Hey, I'm trying to port this model to vrchat but realized that the arm orientation is facing outwards instead of downwards, so the animations look messed up, what would be the best way to fix this?

[deft tusk]

even without trackers some avatars dont raise their heels midair so I was wondering what was making the difference
is there a way to edit that default state somehow?

[crimson roost]

Most likely has to do with the base, for example, zinpia fit base has a "heel" and "flat foot" base for the two different poses, and clothing/shoes also associate with one type or the other when shopping for assets. If i understand what you are saying thats probably what its about.

[steady loom]

no problem, thanks for trying man :)

[orchid breach]

Hey, its my first time trying to setup assets (clothes) ment for specific avatars to other ones in blender... i have absolutely no experience at all in blender but somewhat decent in unity and ive been following a yt tutorial for setting up clothes which do not have premade armature.

My Question now is, is there a way to merge armatures if the asset already contains some additional bones?

(The Asset is made for Rex and im trying to use it for Magpie, but the Asset has additional bones to use physbones on) (Also tried to use CATS but i cant seem to get it to work on blender 4.02, and my downgrade fails.)
Thanks in Advance! 🧡

[crimson roost]

I mean the actual model its self, not a layer or anyrhing. They are seperate fbx files just to be on their toes or not

Same for panda base and many orher bases

[deft tusk]

i see...i thought you meant Locomotion layer

[crimson roost]

No worries, and to answer the original question, there is unfortunately no way as far as my knowledge to make them flat foot without editing the mesh itself, whcih you may aswell just make a new avi at that point

[deft tusk]

so unless i do something about changing the fbx it's impossible to change that default settings?

[crimson roost]

As far as im aware yes

[deft tusk]

oof i see...so gotta edit the meshes then

[crimson roost]

Which is why avatar base creators make tak seperate fbxs

[crimson roost]

Problem with that is if you do somehow managae to make it flat foot it will mess up whatever shoes and possibley pants its wearing

[deft tusk]

surprising to know such simple thing isnt customizable outside rebuilding the prefabs

[crimson roost]

Yeah its all for the sake of bones, gotta think about how a bone has to have a certain state its in, when i wear full body if im in a high heel avatar, its gotta have the feet pointed down otherwise i would have to always be on my tip toes trying to imitate that look

[deft tusk]

some avatars have blendshapes to toggle high heels at the body, but even that still doesnt prevent the spacedrag pose

[crimson roost]

Indeed, some avatars do have blend shapes, it all depends on the base

ZINFIT and Panda base v1 do not have blend shapes on feet

[deft tusk]

so i guess its natural to make the default as high heel because it should work ok for FBT players

[crimson roost]

I suppose, whats the avatar you are refering too in all this?

[deft tusk]

many examples

like ones from komado seems to be all in default

while some like manuka or mizuki or others are always fixed as flat foot when in midair

i wonder if the latter have problems to make tippy toe poses in FBT?

[crimson roost]

Ahh right, yeah im pretty sure they are just using different fbxs. Because when i create my avis i use mostly flat foot 95% of the time, and when i use fbt in them they never tip toe with playspace so im unsure

[deft tusk]

that figures

so it all boils down to whether you need tippy toes pose or not

[crimson roost]

Thats my best guess

[deft tusk]

if you dont need it then making it flat would work

[crimson roost]

Im still fairly new to creation so i cant be 100% certain, but thats my somewhat educated guess

[deft tusk]

if you need it then leave it as default, then it would be possible to tippy toe while FBT but will also force it when space dragged midair

thus always needing a solid ground to maintain a flat foot

...i tried to bypass this by adding ground pb collider and applying it to foot pbs but it still didnt work, so i guess im out of ideas now

[crimson roost]

Sorry i coulsnt be more help mate, hope you figure out what you need

[deft tusk]

no need to be sorry, thanks a bunch as it was enlightening enough for me and i wish you a good day or night

[river ingot]

It used to be, if in blender, the avis flatfooted with the xyz plane. Then when you drop it into unity, and reset the position so its centered in the xyz plane there, then that would technically solve the problem. But I've been creating for over a year, and do my own avis and this seems like a recent glitch in the vrchat system more than anything else. I've seen other avis experiencing the same problem, so it might be a system techinical issue until they fix it.

[undone beacon]

#avatar-help message Help pls

[dapper moon]

does anyone know how to fix joints twisting? I tried to fix with copy rotation constraints but those don't work in Unity

[modern crystal]

is the bone for the head optional or no?

[kind mortar]

Nope, you have to have a head!

[modern crystal]

oh okay then!

[thin jay]

I rigged my model but his legs both bend weirdly in one direction when standing idle

Even tho in blender, they are perfectly straight

[devout epoch]

They do need to be perfectly straight in that orientation, but the knees need to be slightly forward. Are they slightly forward?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377176391667417090/984212147317923890/unknown.png?ex=65b1857d&is=659f107d&hm=c3d2d506fd62e38dd9450e0655e709bd44cf87139750910edcc2440fe2746d8d&

[thin jay]

Yeah, even with the bend it was having the issue, but I added gogo Loco and it magically fixed itself lol

[south tendon]

Had fun riggin another military avi. Guns being added as I post this

[modern crystal]

so when i parent them, the line goes like this and doesnt go on the other end, how do i fix this?

[kind mortar]

Click the one you wanna parent first then the parent then shift, then ctrl p, connected or keep offset

[modern crystal]

well then this would happen, im trying to make the ends close to each other connect

[kind mortar]

Move the bone over there, then parent it conncted

[balmy delta]

You can also merge the points

[modern crystal]

Oh okay then

[modern crystal]

so like this right?

[river ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f18T7Rjmc

[vestal condor]

I need to remove a couple bones from an armature and need help.
how do I transfer the weight to a different bone?

[vestal condor]

To phrase better, I want to transfer the weight of a bone to its parent

[river ingot]

I do it the basic way. But theres a college way to go about it with the shortcuts..

[fading verge]

Okay so I rigged a model to be used in Unity. I rigged the eyes so they and look around but when I try to put it in and applied the eyes they roll in a weird position. They look fine in blender but crooked in Unity, how do i fix that?

[brazen island]

@fading verge eye bones (not the eyes themselved) should be perfectly vertical in blender in default position, not looking "forward"

[fading verge]

Okay, let me try that

[soft kernel]

can some one help ?

[river ingot]

whats the bone at the very bottom for?

[copper halo]

looks like a root bone, does not need to be there but should work just find with it there

[river ingot]

also, the legs look to be weight painted badly, thats what she sprobably referring to. Maybe someone weighpainted the arms and the legs at the same time from the same angle. You'll have to set the weightpaint to 0 on the legs on the arm/hand/finger bone vertex groups, then repaint them to the leg bones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfPE4SCy4g&list=UULFEUG4i-S8USqbY2uyg6jFlg&index=24

[nocturne quiver]

i set up a model ripped from a game and ive got everything pretty much figured out, but for the life of me i cant fix the wrists. when they bend up and down they sort of cave in on themselves and it's really bugging me. does anyone have any suggestions?

[balmy delta]

you dont have a head or shoulders bones

[stable oyster]

Anyone know any addons to auto rig a model im too lazy to do it myself

[arctic sundial]

Rigify, auto rig pro

Not perfect tho

[stable oyster]

👍

[brazen island]

@stable oyster mixamo

web service, but whatever

[placid trail]

Ok so I want to transfer this head rig into the other head rig. How would I do that?🍝🦅

[robust crescent]

select those 2 then ctrl+click head_m >>> ctrl+p - keep offset

[placid trail]

Thanks for the response! The ctrl+p didn’t do anything. Also, wouldn’t I just select Head_M.001 since it’s the parent to everything under it?

(And then ctrl+click on the Head_M)

[placid trail]

So how do I solve this problem?

[nocturne quiver]

im not the most knowledgeable at all but from what ive seen, you have to select every bone you want to move since it doesn't account for parenting when you select

[nocturne quiver]

this video really helped me with moving bones to other rigs, you can follow the steps for any area you want to move https://youtu.be/Fb2zcAWaij8?si=En7FHLD065mhSK2Z

[placid trail]

Gotcha, I did a little more experimenting and I think Thulen was right. I found what he was talking about through the menu rather than shortcuts

I’ll check out that video, thanks!

[nocturne quiver]

yeah, you'll want to do just p instead of control p to separate the bones and then there a short process to move them over, then all you have to do is make sure the parents are in the correct order

[nocturne quiver]

np! ive actually been really struggling to do this with a big chunk of an armature for a while now so you asked the one question that i can answer lol

im currently attempting to replace the rig's hands and wrists with a different model's to see if it'll maybe stop it from being wonky

[placid trail]

Awesome!

I hope it works out for you, I may cross that path some time

[nocturne quiver]

thank you, i really hope so too lol, it's been really bugging me

i just learned how to do anything in blender and unity (didnt even know how to upload) like 3 days ago and i figured everything else out except for these damn wrists 😭 i even learned weight painting

but yeah i hope that works for you! happy to help :)

[placid trail]

Same 😂

I’ve been at this for the past 5 days now with no prior blender experience

I’m at least a novice now

Still an ocean to swim through though

[nocturne quiver]

same here, i swore I'd never touch avatar making since it was way too complicated for me to understand, but then i couldn't find an avatar of a model i really wanted so i ended up learning everything somehow

[placid trail]

Same same!

Nobody made any BG3 Avis so:

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[cerulean temple]

As someone who's been doing Blender for like 2 or 3 years. There is a lot to learn about it.

[nocturne quiver]

not many people rip the evil within avatars unfortunately

[placid trail]

Lmao, what does that even mean

[cerulean temple]

😭 it took me like 4 months to learn there is a redo shortcut cause i just thought you couldn't redo

[placid trail]

And I believe it

[nocturne quiver]

yeah i dont think ive even slightly looked at the surface lol, im just planning to do this model and im done with avatars, ive been meaning to learn blender anyway though

[placid trail]

You poor thing

[nocturne quiver]

thankfully im familiar with program shortcuts since i use drawing programs consistently

[nocturne quiver]

it's an older game, similar to resident evil

[cerulean temple]

I also do alot of programs but most use Ctrl Y to do redo

Blender does ctrl shift z iirc (i go zombie no think mode when im in blender)

[nocturne quiver]

all my programs use ctrl shift z so i was really confused why i couldn't redo in unity lmao

[cerulean temple]

Switching from Blender and PaintDotNet I'll always hit the wrong combo when I first go from one to the other lmao

[placid trail]

Oh gotcha

I didn’t see the title

[nocturne quiver]

gotta head out now, hope the info helped!

[placid trail]

Yes! Thank you!

[nocturne quiver]

np!

[placid trail]

Does a character really need to be in a t-pose, or is it optional?

[nocturne quiver]

needed

t or a

[placid trail]

A-pose is when the arms are down a bit right?

[nocturne quiver]

yup

[placid trail]

Ok, is there a way to specify the A-pose with Unity?

[nocturne quiver]

messes everything up otherwise

that im not too sure of sorry

[placid trail]

Ok

All good

Thanks!

[cerulean temple]

afaik it should know when it's T or A

and it'll auto put it in a t-pose

(i forget specifics. i haven't made an avi in a year)

[placid trail]

Yeah, that screws up my model when it autos

[nocturne quiver]

the model im workin on came in a

pose

[placid trail]

Mine came in an A pose

[cerulean temple]

ah. yeah, you probably need to pose your model more closely to a t-pose or a-pose and then when it automatically does it, it should do it better. (atleast i remember having to do that once)

[fair thorn]

Could someone help? I’m trying to edit a rig, and when I entered it, the Hips bone was created weirdly. It didn’t exactly look like a hip bone should. Anyone know a way to fix this?

[pale pumice]

could you share a pic? Hard to know what you mean otherwise

[fair thorn]

One sec…

[pale pumice]

you've got 'extrude' mode selected on the left there - pick the arrow in the box at the top

otherwise it looks like a bone. Though I'd probably correct the roll, it looks non-zero.

[fair thorn]

I’m a little soft brained right now so idk what you mean by the arrow in the box at the top 😅

[pale pumice]

in the tool list on the left side

[fair thorn]

Is it the gizmos one?

[pale pumice]

the one you've got active is for doing bone extruding, if I recall correctly. I'm guessing that's why the bone looks funny, with the yellow plus and the circle

[fair thorn]

I pressed the arrow and bow box whats next

[pale pumice]

did it change things?

[fair thorn]

All it did was hide the gizmos for me. Idk if im looking somewhere wrong or what

[pale pumice]

I guess I'm not sure what it is you think is incorrect here

[fair thorn]

I thought there was two bones for hips naturally, and that they were sideways. 😅

[pale pumice]

ohhh

check this: #avatar-rigging message

generally there's just a single bone for hips

[fair thorn]

Oh. So its not really broken?

[pale pumice]

doesn't look broken to me!

[fair thorn]

Oh ok thanks for your help

[placid trail]

This method worked for me and now I keep entering object mode after ctrl+clicking on the head_m

[nocturne quiver]

im just trying to assign bone weights to my mesh but the option is grayed out 😭

[placid trail]

Oh good heavens

That’s frustrating

[nocturne quiver]

so i can do it on the same model that i havent edited the bones in a certain way for

[placid trail]

Gotcha

[nocturne quiver]

so i tried to take the mesh from that one and add the bones to it

and it grays out 😭

so there's something wrong with the bones

[placid trail]

On my end of frustration, I uploaded my avi to vrc and the body mesh was turned around, but the joints were inverted so it looked like it was facing forward from its back, and then the clothes were not attached to the body mesh.
I tried a some different things and the body is facing forward now, but the arms are flailing up like a boogie monster, and the clothes are still not attached to the body rig even though I parented them🫠

[nocturne quiver]

that all definitely sounds frustrating

did you weight paint the clothes with the rig? that's what im trying to do atm

[placid trail]

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-head-bang-frustration-gif-17277103593969552222

I don’t think so, I was just trying to get them to stick to the skin

[nocturne quiver]

yeah, parenting is a different thing from weight painting afaik

there's an auto mode which mostly works but it can get messy sometimes, to avoid that i've just been selecting groups of bones at a time and doing them one by one

but i managed to mess up the bones so im trying to do that now 😭

[placid trail]

Do you know what CATS is?

[nocturne quiver]

this entire folder is me trying to figure out a single model

[placid trail]

Oh man

[nocturne quiver]

yeah my problem is actually CATS unfortunately

[placid trail]

I can’t use it on 4.0 🥲

[nocturne quiver]

when i used it it messed up the bones so im going in and fixing everything myself

it was very helpful for visemes though

[placid trail]

I saw some methods in this thread ill try tomorrow

I’m gonna play vrc and lament not having the avi ready when it should have been done by now

[nocturne quiver]

im supposed to be asleep 😭 been staying up way too late the past few nights trying to get this done

[placid trail]

I really really didn’t want to play it without having the model done, but I’m starting to grow grey hairs from this shit

[nocturne quiver]

me too man

[placid trail]

I need a break haha

[placid trail]

Same!

[nocturne quiver]

im not gonna be able to sleep if i dont make at least some progress

i hope you're able to figure yours out!!

i got in trouble for using all caps woops

but i figured it out!!!

[placid trail]

Lol

Yeah, you too

You figured what out?

[nocturne quiver]

my issue

if you run into the same problem in the future, make sure your mesh's object is set to the correct armature

[placid trail]

What problem was that for?

[nocturne quiver]

this one, it has to do with the weight painting for the clothes

if i did all this and the wrists still dont work im gonna scream 💀

[placid trail]

I really really hope it’s fixed

[nocturne quiver]

thank you man, me too

[placid trail]

What happened with your wrists?

[nocturne quiver]

and i hope you're able to fix your problem

so basically they bend really weird and it's bugging the shit out of me

like they cave into themselves when i test in vr

[placid trail]

Hey that’s my problem too haha

My arms are bent to shit upwards

[nocturne quiver]

thankfully it's only when i bend them, but it's very obvious and it's annoying me so bad lmao

[placid trail]

Oh I was just testing it on desktop for now

I haven’t even tried using my arms in vr, lol

[nocturne quiver]

getting into vr is a whole nother ballpark

crunchy fingers, broken wrists, wonky angles

this shit is hard 😭

[placid trail]

Almost thinking I should pay someone to do it

[nocturne quiver]

i was considering it and i've done it before for a more complex game model, but this one is from a 2014 game so i figured i could do it

i'm basically done, if the wrists are fixed then all i need to do is shading and im good

and i will never touch an avatar again lmao

[placid trail]

Hey, I’m doing that too lol

[nocturne quiver]

it is a very tedious process indeed

[placid trail]

I thought it’d be easy peasy since the model was already made, but NAWWW

[nocturne quiver]

i knew it wasnt going to be that easy but good lord, how do people do this with really complex models?? lol

[placid trail]

Every turn has been a left turn

There’s always something

[nocturne quiver]

indeed

every time im like "ok finally, this is the one"

nope

i have so many test builds 😭

[placid trail]

I know😭

I have like final 1, final 2, final with armature 1, final with armature 1 and material bake 5, etc

The worst part is that idk if I made a mistake or not way back. I don’t think that’s the case, but it still haunts me rn

So how exactly did you fix your wrists?

[nocturne quiver]

i just tested it and if it didnt work i'd go through all my other tests and find a better version and then start from there again lol

[nocturne quiver]

so basically

i grabbed another model that i know works properly

stole its wrists

reparented everything

and am hoping that it works

if not then i will lose it

[placid trail]

Gotcha

My arms were working, now they’re not

I’ll try in vr and see what I should do

[nocturne quiver]

if you like slightly look at a bone or weight paint the wrong way the entire model blows up lmao

[placid trail]

Lol

[nocturne quiver]

ive been getting by with a lot of googling

[placid trail]

Lots of forums

[nocturne quiver]

yes

and videos

that i cannot sit through if they're longer than 5 minutes

[fading verge]

𝐖𝐬𝐠 𝐠𝐮𝐲𝐬

[nocturne quiver]

hello

[placid trail]

One thing I didn’t know is how the bones had to be joined in the same rig to swap around

[nocturne quiver]

losing our minds over rigging 😭

[placid trail]

True that

[fading verge]

𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝

[placid trail]

What’s that

[nocturne quiver]

yeah, i still forget that once in a while lol

[fading verge]

𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧'𝐭 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐯𝐞𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐬 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐧𝐨 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐭

𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐜 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐈 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐫

[placid trail]

I nearly raged for the first time cause I didn’t know why it wasn’t working

[nocturne quiver]

you and me both 😔

[nocturne quiver]

ive been surprisingly patient knowing how worked up i can get, i went into this knowing it would be tough as shit lol

[fading verge]

𝐈 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐛𝐨𝐠𝐠𝐨 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐢𝐤𝐭𝐨𝐤😭

[placid trail]

First, you need to get the model online, design it yourself, or pay for someone to make it

[nocturne quiver]

definitely get frustrated a lot though

[nocturne quiver]

^

[fading verge]

𝐃𝐌 𝐦𝐞 𝐈 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐢𝐭

[nocturne quiver]

it really depends

every process is different so you're not gonna get an exact formula

[fading verge]

𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐚 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐲 𝐟𝐚𝐯𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬

[placid trail]

Yeah, I’m pretty tolerant with things I know are difficult. However, that doesn’t include when things work one moment, then don’t work the next and keep sending you to object mode when you want to be in edit mode

[fading verge]

𝐈 𝐡𝐨𝐩𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧 𝐯𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐫𝐧

[nocturne quiver]

for real lmao, the object mode edit mode thing has really been tripping me up

[fading verge]

𝐀𝐧𝐲𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐚 𝐣𝐨𝐢𝐧

[placid trail]

What’s up with the font

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𝐈 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐢𝐭

[nocturne quiver]

fair enough

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𝐌𝐲 𝐮𝐬𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐢𝐬𝐆𝐨𝐥𝐝

[nocturne quiver]

im good, thank you for the offer though :)

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𝐀𝐝𝐝 𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭

[fading verge]

𝐎𝐤

𝐜𝐫𝐲𝐬 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠

[placid trail]

https://tenor.com/view/what-confused-persian-room-cat-guardian-gif-11044457

I’m frustrated and sassy rn

I wanted to kick a puppy because of troubleshooting

Then I backed off and watch The Walking Dead for a bit

[nocturne quiver]

something messed up 😭

[placid trail]

What

[nocturne quiver]

these damn wrists

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What do you call someone who rigs professionally?

[nocturne quiver]

a mastermind

genius

[placid trail]

I was hoping you’d say rigger

Then I’d send:

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-woof-bark-ruh-roh-gif-4303248

[nocturne quiver]

fdgjksg

pffft

[placid trail]

Lol

[nocturne quiver]

ok i can fix this

i got this

[placid trail]

I thought those were sharp nails on those hands

This is why it’s confusing af

[nocturne quiver]

dfgkls no those are the bones lol

they extrude a bit

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Shouldn’t you just be able to pose them a different way?

Like straight?

[nocturne quiver]

it came like that and it works so i figured i wouldnt mess with it

[placid trail]

In the animation tab, pose mode

Hmm gotcha

[nocturne quiver]

yeah that was me messing around in pose mode

[placid trail]

This sure is a brain teaser

[nocturne quiver]

i can somewhat test what it'll be like in vr for bigger issues, but i gotta fully get in it to find the little ones

[placid trail]

I have multiple object and rigs, most of them have an animations folder, armature folder, and a bone folder. Do those all need to stick together?

I moved some armatures into another single rig

[nocturne quiver]

yeah im pretty sure they all need to be in the same parent folder or else you cant connect them with each other

that's likely why the arms are wonky

[placid trail]

That’s probably the problem

My problem is that when I went to Unity to configure everything, the head, eyes, and jaw were in a separate armature for some reason, and when I moved them, I could finally use the sdk builder, but now the arms are broken or the torso is backwards

[nocturne quiver]

i can definitely see why you're frustrated

[placid trail]

Yeah, I might have to move the armature bones in a single file then, but it might even screw it up more. Or by some chance miracle it fixed the arm issue

Then I gotta attach the clothing to the body beyond the parenting I was promised to work

[nocturne quiver]

what ive been doing is going back to files where parts worked to take screenshots so i can recreate the bone hierarchy

[placid trail]

If all is said and done, I can put my mats on and call it a project

That’s smart

[nocturne quiver]

yeah the problem is parenting is different from attaching the clothes

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https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-die-kill-me-now-jump-run-over-hit-by-a-truck-gif-17242856

[nocturne quiver]

agreed lol

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I took a snapshot of someone’s clothing proposal. Hopefully I can fix that problem

[nocturne quiver]

okay i fixed the downward bend

[placid trail]

Cool

[nocturne quiver]

the upward is still wonky though akjgds

[placid trail]

I feel like mark watney in the Martian. He’s like “once you solve one problem, you move onto the next, then the next, and the next, and once you solve enough problems, you get to come home.”

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-you-mars-the-martian-matt-damon-gif-9757569

[nocturne quiver]

me rn 😭

[placid trail]

The end of this project feels so near

[nocturne quiver]

i can feel it coming too

it's so close, i cant give up now lol

[placid trail]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-crap-im-in-fortnite-gif-21404640

[nocturne quiver]

aha!

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Lois, im _______

How’d you fix it

[nocturne quiver]

the parts that were protruding had bones under them so i either removed them if they werent completely necessary or just moved them around

[placid trail]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-the-walking-dead-walking-dead-negan-jeffrey-dean-morgan-gif-8426117

[nocturne quiver]

basically the mesh is supposed to just wrap around the bones, so i think of it as layers

[placid trail]

How many hours of sleep you running on

[nocturne quiver]

ummm

lemme think

ive gotten like 15 hours of sleep in the past 3 days i think gdfjknsgfd

[placid trail]

Ah

I’ve been running on about 5-6 day as well.

[nocturne quiver]

i have a habit of staying up extremely late

i went to sleep around 11am yesterday

[placid trail]

Me too

Wait

No

I woke up around then

Went to bed @ 5:30

[nocturne quiver]

i woke up around 6 😭

in the evening

[placid trail]

Sad

5:30 am to 11:30 just misses the initial daylight hit

[nocturne quiver]

glares

that's not supposed to be there

rahhh

at least i realized i can just pose it in blender, i was hopping in vr to check every time i made a change before 😭

[placid trail]

I can’t even right now, I’ve been at it for a while now. I need new brain with new sleep for new work

[nocturne quiver]

if i stop now imma forget everything lol

im almost done, i can feel it

[placid trail]

I hope so

I still can’t figure out how to pose in blender for testing

[nocturne quiver]

i just use pose mode

[placid trail]

I do that too. It’s just like, “yeah thanks for trying”

[nocturne quiver]

was that why you were asking about tposing and stuff?

[placid trail]

Maybe? I was having trouble in Unity

[nocturne quiver]

ahh i see

[placid trail]

Separate from my troubles in blender fn

[nocturne quiver]

both come with different struggles lol

[placid trail]

Unity’s slogan: we unify your struggles here
Blender’s slogan: put your brain in the blender

[nocturne quiver]

there we go

[nocturne quiver]

for real

the only thing that's helping me is im a fulltime artist so i have a pretty good grasp of how 3d things work

[placid trail]

Cool

I can’t keep my eyes open now

[nocturne quiver]

it's time to test in vr

and then i will sleep

[placid trail]

I’m tired and need to recoup sleep

[nocturne quiver]

get some good sleep man, it was nice chatting :D i hope you're able to get your model fixed easily

[placid trail]

You too! Maybe I’ll catch you tomorrow when I troubleshoot sheiße

[nocturne quiver]

maybe lol! see you later :D

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Auf Wedersehen!