avatar-rigging

[rotund kraken]

bc youre trying to auto weight an entire rig

https://youtu.be/yr5KRYz5ybs

try to stick to one channel in the future, kind of annoying when someone has already helped

[steel dune]

Can I have help making a vtuber avatar? Or something along the lines of that

[stray wind]

is there a way to rig avatars within Blender 3.6?

or is that not possible?

[rotund kraken]

last i checked blender didnt remove one of 3d animation's most important feature

no armature = no animations

[stray wind]

at least Anakin's actual model has a rig

and a complex one at that

[quaint cosmos]

Most rigs from games are specialized to the needs of the game, usually better to just scrap them and start from scratch than trying to alter the rig to work in VRChat

[modern crystal]

What’s the required bones for fingers?
Like is it okay if the body has 4 instead of 5 fingers?

[uncut breach]

They recommend to have at least 3 fingers on each hand, so yes you can use 4

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/rig-requirements#finger-mappings

[fluid frigate]

Heya. Forgive if this is the wrong place, don't see a channel for clothing rigging. Have a shirt that works with fullbody, but not in 3 point, while also looking fine in maya/blender. Any ideas? Banging head against a wall trying things here lol.

[gaunt basalt]

so I want to weight paint a specific bone in blender but i can't get it to work for the life of me. I'm not trying to do anything complex but it just won't let me.

I just want to select one bone at a time and weight paint for that specific bone. I've been pulling my hair out figuring out how to do that.

[quaint cosmos]

I just select the vertex group and go into weight painting, never used the bone selection method. Seems to work well.

[gaunt basalt]

but it won't let me add bones as a vertex group

I can't make a new vertex group for the bones I added

[quaint cosmos]

You press the + in vertex groups and nothing happens? What mode are you in when trying to do this?

[thin jay]

my avatars feet lift off the floor when i look down how do i fix that?

[quaint cosmos]

Probably view position. I think that means it's too high but just make sure it's right around eye level.

[fading verge]

is this how I should be naming tail bones?

[rotund kraken]

doesn't matter for anything outside of the humanoid bones, just name it something you can easily identify

ie: bone 1, bone 2, bone 3, vs "tail 1, tail 2, tail 3" - the latter is easier to know what its referring to in the armature

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, the only thing that bone naming conventions accomplish as far as Unity is concerned is allowing their configuration tool to automatically map the bones to its humanoid system for things like the locomotion animations VRChat uses. You can still manually assign those if they become unassigned for some reason but there is nowhere to assign tail bones in the Humanoid system so it doesn't interact with that regardless of your conventions,

[high shadow]

How do I rig a hand with less than 5 finger this one only has 3 (I already did the thumbs)

[fading verge]

cool, thank you

It does this to my model every time I make one. Did it to the last one, it's doing it now.

it's super frustrating and last time it happened I rememeber I just sadly exported it without any shape keys and in vrchat my model just looked like 👁️👄👁️

[thin jay]

You'd wanna rig it like this

[grand star]

why does the neck do this, id like the head to be (in this example) facing down

[maiden haven]

1. mess with your bone settings
2. that model is meant for blender animations most likely

[mortal silo]

i dont have much experience myself but i think the eye bones might be whats messing it up they could be ik or smtg

[fading verge]

I recommend still rigging it as it had five fingers. Just don't weight paint the unecessary ones. Otherwise this model will be generic and not humanoid.
That will cause problems for you later.

[void tiger]

Anyone have any Blender plugin tools similar to Cat's Blender MMD where you can Merge Armature

Currently using Blender 3.6 LTS

[sleek isle]

The head has its rotation independent of his parent

In pose mode, check the bone setting yeah

But that doesn't matter in the end in unity

[high shadow]

Right now I’m unity and I configured the bones and now the model is gone I made sure that the model is enabled but it’s just gone

[tall willow]

hwo to wigns

[rotund kraken]

keep to 1 channel

but they look rigged already?

[tall willow]

nio like

wigiht paint

😭

[rotund kraken]

https://youtu.be/4fICQmBEt4Y you can slow this down and pause when you need but its essentially going into the upper left corner where it says "object mode" (or edit mode) and switch to weight paint

[quaint cosmos]

I've never rigged wings so maybe there's some benefit and I realize it's anatomical but you could probably get away with a 4 or 5 bone chain going along the surface of the wing rather than having 6 for the outer structure and 3 for each finger. You might get some additional control with your rig but it requires way more bones and will be significantly harder to weight paint and pose than using a simple chain that just controls the angle of certain parts of the wing.

[dim pond]

having trouble finding if there's a simple trick to weight painting a tail so it bends smoothly. Last time I asked around (elsewhere) the answer came down to "just add more bones lol" but I'm still encountering a 'scorpion tail' segmented flex when stuff bends, even though it looks like it's behaving well enough in blender

being a plain tail I CAN just go and like, manually set weights loop by loop by loop but I plan on working out a nicer tail before too long

[tawdry imp]

Are the weights normalized in Blender?

Also I believe VRChat has Unity set to only allow 4 bones per vertex and I don't know how Unity handles it when you import an FBX with more weights than that

[dim pond]

I've normalized em, yeah. it tries to weight too hard at the center of each bone, and falls off sharply by default

[tawdry imp]

You can force blender to limit the max number of bones per vertex by going to weight paint, "Weights" menu and select limit total.

[tawdry imp]

thats pretty normal

[dim pond]

makes sense for actual bones, to be fair lmao

I'll give the limiting a shot!

[rotund kraken]

personally ive also noticed that consistent sized weights helps too

i was gonna say "all the same bone size" but a bone could be really big and only affect a small part

[dim pond]

haven't gotten around to the tail but here's another one- is there any way to fight how the humanoid rig targeting seems to completely reshape my hands into a broad, blocky, straight-knuckled mass

[dry heath]

I don't know how to auto fix MMD Modeling rigging to VRChat.

[dim pond]

I modeled and rigged this myself. All other bones seem to be fine staying in position but the hands go broad and chunky on a few models I've looked at

[sleek isle]

each vertex can only have up to 4 bone connected to it

so, yeah, annoying

[sleek isle]

the thumb get often rotate when setup as humanoid. Rotate it back and don't pay attention to the tpose warning

[dim pond]

from what I can see, the tail didn't have an issue with more than 2-3 bones/vert at most

[dark crag]

i have a new version of my armature and mesh that i've added a couple of bones and weight painting to, but im not sure how to apply it to my vrc avatar descriptor or physbones or anything

[bold locust]

Do you have an image of the hand armature?

Or did you already fix that.

[dim pond]

haven't touched on that yet, going through a pile of random things as I reach this point in cleaning up the rig haha

[bold locust]

No worries.

[dim pond]

here's the hand bones as it's modeled, I'll get at how the rig looks like in the humanoid config in a bit. I'm assuming it's trying to put the root of the thumb bone up where the next bone starts, though the fingers also feel like their roots are all in a straight line, really blocky in vrc

[bold locust]

Yeah, first bone of the thumb has the head pretty far up.

Which should be anatomically correct but VRC doesn't care.

If I was going for anatomically correct deforming hands, I might resort to support bones, but it's a good idea to maybe consider contacts and motion time animations also. So you can save constraints for add-ons and such.

[dim pond]

seems to be in place here, hmm
likely have to adjust bone positions in the animations?

[bold locust]

Do you test the limits for Fingers in the Unity rig config?

Humanoid animations are different than you'd hope.

[dim pond]

tinkering with the anim, I see the problem, the thumb wants to read all 3 bones as if it's the finger, but it doesn't account for it as a palm. I just gotta set bone 2 as the first in the chain, I think

[bold locust]

Yes. That's what I was illuding to. Thumbs in VRC are usually just 2 knuckles. Tori did well with some of their hands.

[dim pond]

wait, it's definitely asking for the proximal. that's annoying. May just require I reweight that bone so it doesn't affect nearly as much of the palm shape

[bold locust]

You can bump them back in the rig config hierarchy to see.

.001 to Proximal, etc.

I might need to check some of my favorite hands tbh.

[bold locust]

How long are the weight gradients for each bone along the tail? Much overlap?

[dark crag]

okay, for some reason when i try to impliment the same values for old physbones on the new version of my armature, they're just huge for some reason?

[dim pond]

they don't overlap past the next bone, I restricted to 3 bones/vert influence. Also poor practice rigging a simple tail in-pose instead of doing the straight line and posing with an anim

[bold locust]

Export settings might have changed your scale somewhere? But that's a weird difference in size compared to what you'd usually see under those circumstances.

[dim pond]

reasonably could have moved from cm to inches on export, that looks like it could be 2.54x the size

multiply the value of the now-bigger ones by 0.393701 and see if it looks right

[dark crag]

that does actually

goddamn it, such a dumb problem lol

how do i set what units im exporting as in blender?

[dim pond]

check the menu tab on the right (cone/spheres icon) and see if you're in imperial or metric. Change back to metric/cm perhaps
then when exporting (left menu here) the scale should just read 1.0
though sometimes I have weird luck (or lack of luck) with it just pretending to be consistent on me, haven't had to change these out for a while

[dark crag]

its set to metric so im not sure actually...

[dim pond]

maybe the other way around then? I hate system units finagling between softwares

[bold locust]

This hand might look familiar, but it's my favorite hand right now and an example of what I'm going to be aiming for. It's not exactly like it was when I first got the model, there are slight edits, but Tetsuko has pretty decent hands, imo.

I have first thumb selected.

Motorcycle pose.

[bold locust]

This is rest pose btw.

[dark crag]

okay this is bizarre, the size is still messed up, but for some reason not on her tail???

but it seems like the rotation is messed up or something???

i hope i dont have to go through and manually apply the right values to every bone

[bold locust]

Here's a gradient I use in tails right now.

The red and yellow in your current gradient may be too jarring of a transition and may be causing the sharpness you're seeing.

VRC defaults uploads back down to 4 bones on upload, you can change the max affecting bones in Unity, but VRC forces it back to 4.

So some special areas make use of support bones to compensate. - Tori told me.

[dim pond]

yeah the 4 bones influence was brought up initially, but reducing the maximum influence and spreading influence a whole extra bone from what I've been doing should be helpful

[bold locust]

Just know that you can change it in Unity but VRC doesn't care. So you can use that knowledge for testing and deciding if support bones will be necessary and such.

[dark crag]

so yeah, why is the tail on this armature correct, but her breast is tiny and misplaced?

Im genuinely really confused

i thought i could just like, rescale it to fit her properly

but like, i cant if it'll just scale her tail up too right?

[quaint cosmos]

Those look like pretty normal breasts to me but you can go bigger if you like. I'm not sure what the tail has to do with the breasts, if they're both weighted to the same bone, you have bigger issues than just modest breast size. If you have breast bones, you can scale them to scale the faces they influence but this would be reverted if you ever cleared the scale of the bones and might cause the topology to get warped so I'd just scale them in edit or sculpt mode and adjust the bone placement to match if necessary.

[dark crag]

i think you're misunderstanding the issue

[quaint cosmos]

Quite possibly, could you clarify?

[dark crag]

im trying to set up a new version of the armature with a couple extra bones and a bit of extra weight painting. i have the new fbx in unity, but the scale seems to be all kinds of weird

[quaint cosmos]

So it's weird when importing into Unity but not in Blender? Are you importing this as a new model or trying to overwrite an existing one?

[dark crag]

the difference in the two armatures is made even weirder by the fact that the tail is correct on both

[dark crag]

trying to overwrite an old one i think

the tail is correct on both, but the origin point is still in a weird spot

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, try importing as a new model. I'm not seeing the issue but I'm not super observant sometimes and I don't know how it's supposed to look.

[dark crag]

her breast physbone is in her knee lol

[quaint cosmos]

Oh, so you have the tail bone selected in that image where it looks like the leg bone is selected? Is the selection transform set to pivot?

I don't know from the pictures what you're attempting to select so that's important context.

[dark crag]

does this show a little better whats weird?

[quaint cosmos]

Yes, that makes things much more clear. It seems like your origins are wonky if you have the pivot transform option selected, though even if it's set to center it's weird it's that far off. I would try importing it as a new FBX. And you've tried posing it in blender and confirmed that the origin isn't weird in Blender? I initially thought you were having a scale issue but nothing scale related is going to fix this.

You also seem to have capsule colliders to these bones which seems kind of weird, not sure if that is throwing anything off. Is this intendd for some sort of physbones purpose?

[dark crag]

i wasnt the one who made the original armature, thats just what my model maker did

i have almost no experience in blender or unity, im just trying to figure it out as i go

[tawdry imp]

I've run into this before but can't for the life of me remember what causes it. I'll have to find my project later

[quaint cosmos]

If I were you, I'd start back at what they sent you as you may have made an error which will be difficult to solve at this point. Character rigging is not the best entry point to learning Blender.

[tawdry imp]

Is the avatar a prefab in unity?

[dark crag]

i've ripped the .fbx out of the prefab and put it into blender to add the bones and weight painting

[tawdry imp]

its something to do with the fact its a prefab. When you replace the FBX in unity the scaling gets updated, but not for both the mesh and the armature

[dark crag]

so its just scaling one of them and not the other then?

i've tried messing with the scale, but it still makes problems

like, again, the tail has correct positions for its bones, but nothing else does

[tawdry imp]

I'm assuming if you go through all the bones, the whole armature is smaller right?

[dark crag]

no

the tail is correct

but its origin point looks weird

[tawdry imp]

are the origins for other bones right?

[dark crag]

no, beyond the fact that they're the wrong scale, they seem to be rotated weirdly

[tawdry imp]

so bones in like the arm and leg are wrong as well. Ill have to wait til i can open blender and unity because it looks like something i had an issue with before

[dark crag]

yeah, it looks pretty totally borked

should i just try making a new one? what about all the animations and peramaters and stuff. would i have to do them all again aswell?

[tawdry imp]

I can't give an answer right now. I need to try some stuff first. I can recreate the issue with an old project and figure out what causes it a bit later

[dark crag]

alright

ngl i've been working on this for like a week now with almost no progress. im getting to the point of looking into hiring someone to do this for me

[quaint cosmos]

I get that you want to be able to do your own custom characters but there's typically a lot of fundamental learning that you need to establish beforehand. What you're doing is kind of like spending a ton of time bashing your head against the wall trying to recreate a Rembrandt with no painting experience. You might get somewhere eventually but you're going to struggle a lot more and run into a lot more roadblocks than if you got there via a series of more realistic goals.

[dark crag]

I already have the model made, im just trying to make a couple small edits to what i had made for me

[quaint cosmos]

The only way I see you being able to do this without learning the fundamentals is to commission it or to have someone sit with you to show you how to do it step by step which will likely take more time and probably cost more. Even if it's small edits, you need to know to to do them properly and how to export everything properly. If you're just making bigger breasts, there should be no reason to touch the rig in the first place but if you have no Blender experience, then you don't really know what tools do what.

[dark crag]

i dont care about her breast size, im trying to add physbones to her ears

i already added the bones and weight painted them to the mesh in blender

[tawdry imp]

the issue looks like when exporting from blender to unity and replacing the existing FBX, unity in certain situations will update the armature but not the mesh.

[quaint cosmos]

Adding new bones and weighting them is not a trivial thing, especially trying to make them physbones. It's not an arduous task if you know what you're doing but there are a lot of ways things can go wrong as it's hard to triage if you're fumbling around in the dark and haven't learned how to properly do these things.

Yeah, you just generally don't want to replace the FBX if you've made major alterations but that's just one area where this may have gone awry.

[dark crag]

i didnt replace the fbx

[tawdry imp]

well then the armature and mesh scaling being different is even more odd

[dark crag]

i have separate versions that im trying to copy the component values from one to the other so i dont have to redo them all

[quaint cosmos]

That could very likely be part of your problem. If anything is different with the scaling or transforms on import, those values aren't going to be the same from one fbx to another.

[gloomy ether]

I have a complex ik rig that I would like to make compatible in vrchat. Is there any way I can do this? Maybe simplify the rig automatically?

[novel kraken]

Anyone want to play VR chat?

[dim pond]

I vaguely remember seeing something about new limits on constraints. Is that a 'total number of constraints' schtick, or 'number of constraints on a bone chain'? I'm having trouble getting the 'toes' foot (4th position in a digitigrade leg) to follow the rotation of the plantigrade rig that's actually tracking

this is how I'd Ideally like it all to flow, but adding the knee complicated my woes, as it and the shin both had a constraint, sharing the control shin's rotation by .6 and .4.
In this case, I think but can't totally test, that the foot-stalk became unresponsive, backing up the theory that it stops after 3(?) bones in a row.

[fair fern]

So I am using blender for the first time and trying to allow physbones to work on my avatar so I took some pre existing bones and attempted to apply them to the hair of a model I am using but I don't know how to do that so could someone help?

[void tiger]

Is there a blender plugin where you can merge armature/Mesh similar to Cat's plugin.
Or any other methods similar to this.

[bold locust]

It's total number. You can link them all sorts of ways. Getting them to play nice isn't always the most straightforward though.

I'm about to be doing double-jointed knees here soon too. I'm considering proximity contacts to keep it Quest viable.

Since knees don't need to rotate on 2 out of 3 axii, they won't need all that specific control.

[modest yacht]

Simple rigging isnt working and im very confused

Never rigged before as a warning

using Cats and youtube videos

Armature is connected to the mesh but legs, arms and any other joint does not move

[bold locust]

Did you use your vertex groups and add an armature modifier? And then did you select the right object for that modifier?

@modest yacht

[modest yacht]

ok the only thing it said to do was add a bone and build off it i have no clue what you just said

[bold locust]

So you need a way to tell the bone what verts to move. That's what vertex groups are. You assign a group of verts to that vertex group, and that vertex group must share the same exact name as that bone.

[modest yacht]

right im gonna delete the armature, can you guide me through it in basic terms?

[bold locust]

So you can leave the armature.

[modest yacht]

its not complete

i was remaking it

for some reason, pressing fix model doesnt join bones

[bold locust]

What kind of model is this that you're rigging?

[modest yacht]

yknow one of those Robo Recall Biped Bots?

One of those

[bold locust]

Oh dang.

So, robots are easy to rig.

[modest yacht]

like the humanoid ones

[bold locust]

Because they do not deform.

[modest yacht]

This

[bold locust]

A lot of polygons oh god.

[modest yacht]

i just found the model idk

[bold locust]

Not terrible, just how they exist.

No, it's fine.

They just are messy topology.

There's an easy method which would cause stuff to bend and deform, or you can manually add verts to a vertex group to get them moving mechanically.

[modest yacht]

ive gotta do fingers aswell dont I?

i have no clue how to do the fingers so i left them

[bold locust]

It may help you more efficiently if I can find you a better video.

[modest yacht]

ok that would be grateful

something thats really basic and easy to follow

im more of a landscape Blender artist

[rotund kraken]

https://youtu.be/4fICQmBEt4Y
https://youtu.be/6WqCUdilzS8

tons and tons of videos on rigging

[bold locust]

Thank you. I was just about to link this one as well.

https://youtu.be/DDeB4tDVCGY

[modest yacht]

yes your one is perfect Saigo im very impatient and just want to colour in my boy and add a nice fitting pirate hat

[bold locust]

It's a good video. Ignore the name. XD

Then good. LOL

He goes through a lot quickly.

Some stuff like IK in blender, you're probably never going to use. But it's good.

[rotund kraken]

still has some fluff to get through

royal skies has 0 fluff

other blender/substance tutorials too

[bold locust]

The idea behind his format is probably to not put you to sleep.

For people that don't do this regularly.

Royal Skies is also really hard to follow for a beginner that doesn't know where they're supposed to be looking.

[rotund kraken]

could throw it through mixamo and clean it up in blender if the pause button doesnt work :P

[bold locust]

Teaching is more than simply doing the thing at high speed without any explanation or context though. So pausing isn't the issue.

nod nod

[fading verge]

I finally got a pc to make avatars again

[dim pond]

Royal skies vids are like a 15 minute tutorial in 3 minutes
I like them for how quick he gets to the point but it's more like a reminder of where/what settings do a complicated task, instead of a learning thing

[balmy delta]

I still have to have a notepad with my keybinds on my other monitor for blender lol

[silver brook]

So I have a problem.

This skull is one mesh (because mesh count is part of optimization)
and I want the whole skull to move with the "Head" bone, and just the lower Jaw part moving with the "Jaw" bone.
How would I go about doing this?

I've already tried different things, to no avail.

[balmy delta]

if the jaw is already weight painted to the jaw bone where that part works perfectly fine

then go and combine the head bone of the skull with the body's head bone you are wanting to put it on to

[silver brook]

omg i finally got it working
it's just that i didn't understand weight painting properly

[dim pond]

@bold locust since you mentioned this earlier- how do you go about constraining a sleeve independent of the arm? I've duplicated the arm/forearm bones and set the shawl up on the dupes. At the moment they're just parented to the root bone, and held in place by translation constraint
I'm trying to use constrain rotation and leave the Y axis alone, which I'd expect to affect the green Y local axis, but it seems to only allow me to lock its actions on the world-aligned axes, doing some (quaternion?) translation stuff where Y and Z are both basically sharing the blue directional here to start, and Y drifts all over as the arm is moved

[bold locust]

It's getting the position and rotation of the object relative to the scene space. Parents create the illusion of this not occurring, but it's looking at values of the source in scene space iirc.

[dim pond]

this is what's happening

[bold locust]

You can bang rocks together to get a mechanism to handle it though. Usually the case. I'd have to open up Unity and try to draft a thing. I did something similar I think a while back.

[dim pond]

no rush, this is just on my to-do list and I started bangin rocks myself haha

[bold locust]

Real quick how many polygons for the shawl? Just checking if this is potentially an xy.

I guess I should assume too high to say it's worth it to use cloth.

[dim pond]

7k in its current state, though I'm gonna do some serious retopo on it. Looking at cloth controls this is proooobably not optimal lmao

[dim pond]

kinda cool, but I don't think cloth sim in such a collision-heavy space is gonna work out lmao. Also seems to mess with the offset of the thin outlines I have going

[bold locust]

Lol Typical cloth.

[bold locust]

Okay, so I thought of something and it "works". But-

It's jittery af.

I wanna mess with it a bit. Could probably dampen it.

[bold locust]

Something like this good enough? The blue is your shawl.

Position constraint and aim with object up to handle rotation. World up could probably be chest. I'll mess a bit more.

Kinda heavy for this effect though. tbh

4 constraints.

Yeah, this is pretty decent for that.

[dim pond]

brought it down to a single constraint (just made the scarf bones parented to each of their equivalent arm bones), and made the bicep 50% influence to help a little. Might need to sculpt a little more rotation room in there so the arm doesn't peek out, but I'll see how it works in the game's IK

[bold locust]

That's awesome.

Better to see it working than just doing a dirty prefab using primitives. lol

[hollow agate]

I downloaded an fbx but it has loads of twist bones, I was gonna do the cats fix model but I need to rename a load of them to get the right arm bones and stuff,
anyone got tips before I go ahead and rename a load of them?
I'm worried I'll use the wrong bones for it

[visual arch]

i need help. im trying to copy weight paint from my top arms to bottom but whenever i join the two arms together, the bottom mesh goes to the top and the armature wont work for the bottom (top moves bottom arms)
they're the same arm and should have same weight paint ( i lazy to redo fingers)

[rotund kraken]

duplicate the top arms and the bones, copy them, paste into new blender project, rename bones and vertex groups to the appropriate bottom ones

repaste into original project, join armatures and reparent whatever bones need to be reparented

thats how i do my 4arms

[visual arch]

thank you! i had do some asjusting to make it work but it did! so thanks!

[visual arch]

Now i Need to know how to make the bottom pair of arms move with the top, I know rotation constraint but do i do it for each arm or group them together like this?

[rotund kraken]

1 at a time

for each bone youll need to do the constraint

you put the constraints on the 2nd pair/bottom arms

[visual arch]

okay thank you! lets see if i can make it work

[knotty ginkgo]

why is extract from prefab greyed out

[rustic silo]

Have a bit of an odd one. Got a new avatar, wanted to make adjustments to it in blender, and export that back to unity. Typically, if I can match the original export settings, I can just drag the mesh onto the corresponding mesh slot in an object's skinned mesh renderer component (see image).

However, for some reason, doing the same now has the mesh, which SHOULD be weighted to the head, become weighted to the left hand's fingers. Nothing I've tried so far (different export settings, via stock blender, cats, beterfbx, different humanoid avatar settings on unity, etc) seem to have fixed this.

Would really like to avoid setting stuff up from scratch again (unless there's another option I'm not aware of for updating in place that I'm not aware of)

[tender flame]

So, I want to use a rotation constraint to move some fabric so it doesn't clip thru the elbow. The video shows how it works in Blender.

How do I make this work in Unity?

[tribal pagoda]

I can't be sure this'll help fix your issue, but if you don't already know, in the "Constrant Settings" dropdown, right below the weight, you can select which Axis are affected. By default all three are constrained, but it might work out better if only one of them is. In your example, It seems like only the Z-Axis needs to be constrained?

I tried doing something somewhat similar, where I tried to keep an oversized sleeve level with the ground via Rotation Constraint, and only having it affect the Y Axis helped, but I ultimately couldn't get it to work in a way I was satisfied with via that method.

[dim pond]

from all the fiddling I was doing earlier with the shawl, I might say you could try putting an aim constraint on that bone, and set the target to the shoulder

[bold locust]

Tbh, as long as the bone is a child of upper arm and sibling of lower arm, a rotation constraint sourced to lower arm with like .3-.5 weight could work alright in this case.

Since they want it to rotate with lower arm but at a slower rate, pretty much.

🤷‍♀️

[bold locust]

Could alsooo do it with a proximity contact if you're full of constraints already or want to make it Quest compatible. Since that bone should only rotate within a small range, if IK is doing its job.

[bold locust]

Also, you're describing almost exactly what this is #avatar-rigging message and what @dim pond was referring to with the aim constraint. So that might help?

[flint lance]

HI SORRY TECHNICALLY A RIGGING ISSUE!

I was wondering if anyone was able to help me fix a rigging issue regarding the physbones for one of my avatars! Everything is fully converted, but there's some issues with said bones. I'd also would like to see if the front part of the skirt for said avatar can be hooked to the legs. I can provide the unity project file and blender file as needed, too!

I can't do it myself because I'm still new to doing avatars and I had to use cats.

[bold locust]

You're more likely to find help if you're willing to help yourself. But I wish you luck in your search of free workers.

Unless I misunderstood what you meant by sending project files.

[flint lance]

Yeah, everything is converted, it's just a bone that I can't fix.

Basically: Avatar is 99% done, it's just some bones that are acting weird for some god forsaken reason

It has viscemes, it has eyelook, it has expressions, the wings are fully animated like I wanted them to be, EVERYTHING. It's just! An inverted! Bone! That! I can't! Fix!

[reef surge]

inverted bone? is it just like, upside down?

[flint lance]

It's really weird to describe, hence why I offered the project files for blender and unity.

[reef surge]

send me over the blender file i can have a look !

cant guarantee ill know what you're intending tho lol

[reef surge]

my dms should be open ^_^

[ornate scarab]

if I'm making a rigged accessory (a piercing in this case) do I need to export the entire armature with the fbx or just the bone the accessory is painted to?

[plush badger]

Hai there! very new to rigging in Unity. I can't seem to figure out the correct position for these two bones. Does anyone have a guide for hands?

[balmy delta]

you dont exactly need it to be in tpose

you just put it to whatever works for the avatar

gesture wise in this case

[plush badger]

I do cause otherwise the animations don't work

[balmy delta]

what kind of animation

[plush badger]

Ive been doing it for a while and keep getting it into position and it resets after hitting apply and done, I've done it 4 times now I'm so mad

[plush badger]

Any

Ill show now, just recording a vid

[balmy delta]

um

it says the head bone is not a child of the neck

also Im guessing

in vrchat

its just tposing?

have you also tried enforcing tpose

[plush badger]

No it works perfectly fine in VRChat (i think) but when I go to record an animation it dies

[balmy delta]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

did you edit the mesh in blender or anything

[plush badger]

No, I added a bone in blender and assigned it weights to a mesh differing from the body

[balmy delta]

thats

editing

every time you add or delete a bone

it commits funky to the old one if you try swapping the mesh

[plush badger]

Ahhh... shoot, how can I go about fixing it?

[balmy delta]

instead of trying to slap the mesh onto the old model

just drop the new model onto the scene and work on that one

[plush badger]

I'm not I did use a new fbx and just added it to the original scene

[balmy delta]

hm

well

try enforcing tpose

pose drop down at bottom

[plush badger]

I...

Am gonna put my head through a wall

[balmy delta]

also the neck and head thing could also be an issue

[plush badger]

Actually wait

[balmy delta]

which the neck and head thing is an easy fix by going into blender and parenting the head to the neck
so the head is a child of the neck

[plush badger]

I did that but keeping the head offset?

[balmy delta]

right now

the head bone

isnt parented to the neck

[plush badger]

All rigging issues are fixed but it still won't work so off to #avatar-help ig lmao

[balmy delta]

ok so

animator now

[balmy delta]

whats the animator look like

[plush badger]

Not sure what I'm looking at but it looks normal to me

[clever seal]

how do i rig this?

every tutorial ive seen uses human models with limbs and stuff

[balmy delta]

the animator component on the same window as the avatar descriptor

[balmy delta]

humanoid armature with the hands and feet being weightpainted to the hands and feet bones while the body itself is weightpainted to the head bone

the armature can get pretty funky scale wise and still work

[plush badger]

Wait

The Avatar isn't set to the right one

[balmy delta]

and the controller is supposed to be empty

[plush badger]

I want to commit arson

[plush badger]

I found that doesn't really matter but having it there makes making animations possible and easier

[clever seal]

wait do i combine everything first

like his hands, shoes, body, etc.

[plush badger]

It worked

[balmy delta]

you can combine them all to one mesh if you want to but its not needed

[clever seal]

ok

[balmy delta]

depends on if you want them all seperate toggles

[clever seal]

do i get the humanoid armature from anywhere?

or do i make it myself

[balmy delta]

you can do either

it would be easier to make it yourself

[clever seal]

am i doing this right

uhhhh

i forgor 💀

[plush badger]

Looks right to me! Make sure to name them correctly and ensure their all parented correctly

[clever seal]

oh ok then

also uhh i dont think this is supposed to happen

can i fix this

[clever seal]

by the way what do i name them

uh

[rotund kraken]

hand_r hand_l and head

foot_r foot_l too

theoretically this could work but ive never rigged a character with those type of proportions

[balmy delta]

well

avatars with these proportions usually have big limbs and shrunken torso

short but wide torso

[rotund kraken]

kirby blobbert vs human proportions

[balmy delta]

yea

[vague bramble]

Ah

This is so hard

like I can't even get the unity hub to work with me

Do we have a vc

[rotund kraken]

the vcc does all the work for you

no server VC bc its too much to manage

[sand sky]

cool

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-actions-reactions-gif-gif-670327801286393736

[cold totem]

I tried restricting every shape key to their respective vertex group and now my model evaporates when I hit play in Unity. Any ideas?

It exports just fine and works great in Unity without the shape key restrictions btw

uploads and all, it's just as soon as I start talking or activate any blendshape on my model, the patches and belt permanently deform

[balmy delta]

Whats the default state/ blendshape zero'd out

[cold totem]

figured it out

needed to propogate to shapes so the new basis would be reflected in all the shape keys

[quaint cosmos]

Never done it that way but yeah, Unity doesn't respect your vertex groups for shape keys so if I need to use one, I just put the shape key to 1 and then do a new shape from mix which looks the same but doesn't have the vertex group in it.

[cold totem]

not propogating to shapes is probably what made my model evaporate when hitting Play

I guess we'll find it, about to export to Unity again

Prayge

bruh I was just excited smh

[rotund kraken]

dyno try not to be insane challenge

[cold totem]

it worked

let's goooooo

Pumkin works like a fuckin charm too

[plush badger]

Doesn't really matter as long as you remember what their called

[rotund kraken]

better practice to name them correctly

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, I believe Unity uses those names to handle automatic assignment for humanoids. You can manually assign but it's a pain in the ass to manually assign bone1, bone2, bone3...

[untold epoch]

Out of curiosity. Does anyone know if it's possible to rig sever limbs to where they move together in unison. With of course only the original limbs actually working but to where it looks like all of the can independently move

This being a good example

[quaint cosmos]

Doing it well requires constraints which are only supported for PC but if that's not an issue then yeah, it's doable.

[untold epoch]

Is this a unity or blender thing?

Cause I can do both

[quaint cosmos]

Both Unity and Blender have constraints so you can set them up in Blender but Blender constraints won't transfer into Unity so you would need to recreate any constraints you have in Unity. I've never actually created multiple arms on a character so I can't give you much more than that but it has been done.

[untold epoch]

Sick. Thank you so much

[fervent mantle]

only thing you wont get is individual movement as constraints wil make the second set parent the first

[untold epoch]

That's okay. What I'm look8ng for is to have all of my limbs (depending on how many I have) move in unison to my original set of limbs

[fervent mantle]

then yeah constraints work i have a few that do that

[bold locust]

You can have a dummy set switch between them if you wanted. It's not too bad. Then you can pose them all individually or have them all track together. I'd put it on toggle and use gestures to make it responsive and intuitive.

[untold epoch]

I want them all to track together. You don't have to explain everything to do so, but what would I be looking to add in unity for that?

[quaint cosmos]

Not quite what you're looking for but this might be good to familiarize yourself with constraints. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAhGS1i8wlM

[untold epoch]

I'll take a peak. Thanks

[rotund kraken]

oh god thats how its done?

ive added a 2nd pair of arms to every avatar but couldn't figure out how someone controlled them individually for some reason lmfao

[acoustic epoch]

Okay, so I made this custom avatar today and for some reason, the cameras facing the character instead of being third person. I feel as I did something wrong.

[golden sandal]

how do i download physbones?

i cant find a download link anywhere

[rotund kraken]

they come with the sdk

[quaint cosmos]

Assuming you're talking about avatars. Physbones aren't support in worlds. Presumably they will be at some point but we've been waiting for that one for a while.

[bold locust]

Keep sync in mind. It can be complicated if sync is a priority. Not super, but enough.

[untold epoch]

so does that mean parent constraints in unity have the ability to move several objects ay their own origins from one bone?

[rotund kraken]

hrmm good to keep in mind if i try it

might just comm that part of my avatar lol

[bold locust]

Well, you can add a constraint component to multiple objects and then source them all to the same object. Then moving the source affects all of the objects constrained to it.

If that's what you mean.

Constraint components only affect the object the component is on (and its children, of course).

[fervent mantle]

Is there a camera component attached to the model?

[wise brook]

Im having issues with some of my clothing not moving with the body and i have no idea why plz someone help

[quaint cosmos]

It needs to be weighted to the rig. https://youtu.be/4fICQmBEt4Y

[acoustic epoch]

Yeah there was, I had to get rid of it. Thank you. He's working now.

[fervent mantle]

Lol

[unborn oar]

Any ideas how i can fix "the angle between pelvis and thigh bones should be close to 180 degrees"? I tried to move hip bone, rotate hip bone, move upleg bones, move foot bones to make straight line, nothing works. The angle is all the time the same

[quaint cosmos]

It doesn't have to be 180, just close, so 167 isn't too bad. This angle isn't the best for judging that, I would go into side view and if you want to get as close to 180 as possible, the hip and thigh bones should form a straight line.

[unborn oar]

I fixed this but it must be 180. If you will not do 180 you will have this glitch when you are higher you legs will break in this way

Now it's working completely fine

[quaint cosmos]

If it had to be 180 exactly, it would be physically impossible to achieve but I'm glad you got it sorted.

At least by eyeballing it.

[steep tusk]

Hey, a friend of mine has been working on a model and was wondering how to rig the clothes? They’ve already added bones to the body and it moves just fine, but they’re stuck as to how to how to rig the clothes and mouth (for talking). Any tutorials, suggestions, or ideas?

Here’s the model btw:

[quaint cosmos]

This will get you started but for loose-fitting clothing like this, it will require some manual clean up of the weight paint to get a good result. Mouth movement (visemes) doesn't require rigging at all but the use of shape keys. If you just look up "VRChat visemes" that should get you started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_Vke__voU

[umbral nymph]

Not sure why but my feet are backwards, tried rotating the bone in blender thinking it might fix it but only made it worse?????

[fading verge]

SOO i had to remove a dumb avatar creators name from the avi and now the avatar is like really thin and like a toothpick how do i fix

[sweet dirge]

can anyone help me rig a knife to my avi?

[quaint cosmos]

Don't overwrite the FBX in the scene, create a new file and bring that in.

[quaint cosmos]

You don't really need to rig held items, you can just parent it to the hand bone

[sweet dirge]

i did anchor overide and connected it to my wrist but it just floats infront me

[quaint cosmos]

I don't know what an anchor override is but if you put it in place and then drag it on top of the hand bone (or wrist if that's what yours is called) it should move with it but you need to make sure it's in the right spot before doing so.

Oh wait, I know what an anchor override is, at least for reflection probes but I'm not sure what it means in this context but you shouldn't need to do it regardless.

[sweet dirge]

imma try it

[hushed folio]

Could someone make me my own avatar

[fervent mantle]

this isn't the place for this check the community-servers and go to vrc traders, just be prepared to pay money

[sweet dirge]

it worked

[wise brook]

Been having an issue on adding skirts to this avi base its alr weight painted but when i merged the amarures it doent move with the leg its like a sub bone in there and when i move it, it moves but doesnt look right been stuck on this for days please help....

[alpine moss]

Figured I should here because it's more rig related.

Made a fox in blender with a custom rig and custom anims for vrc. How do I import this into vrc with the rig and anims fully functional?

I kinda gotta get this ready tomorrow for an event

I also already got the unity project fully set up btw

[fading verge]

can some teach me how to rig

[quaint cosmos]

Auto-rig with Mixamo.com, look up weight paint videos on Youtube to fix up the weights.

[fading verge]

don't just send a video cuz Iv teid and try

It cost money

[quaint cosmos]

It does not

[fading verge]

Dude can comeone just call me and tell me my errors

like come on

[quaint cosmos]

I know how to rig and I still don't most of the time, if it's a humanoid, it's easier to just start with Mixamo and clean up any areas it doesn't weight properly.

If it's not a humanoid, don't bother

[fading verge]

bro If u know how Than can u just call me

[quaint cosmos]

I'm not going to walk you through the entire process of rigging when you don't even need to manually rig. What does your model look like?

[fading verge]

that video

is it

[quaint cosmos]

I can't play mkv videos on my laptop, can you just post a screenshot?

[fading verge]

are u on windows

[quaint cosmos]

I'm on a chromebook at the moment. A video is not necessary, I just want to see if your model looks reasonable to rig.

[uncut breach]

mkv doesn't embed on discord, just press windows key + shift + s to capture a screenshot.

[fading verge]

It just puts it in the cload

[quaint cosmos]

Figure out how to take a screenshot and we'll go from there. There's snipping tool, print screen, lots of options.

[fading verge]

thx the mixamo wortking

working

[quaint cosmos]

Cool. I'd still look up weight painting on Youtube as the results from Mixamo won't be perfect. One of the top results should be weight painting in 60 seconds which gives you a nice overview but you might want to check out some more in-depth tutorials as well.

[marble olive]

When uploading an avatar I have the error "Humanoid avatar must have head, hands and feet bones mapped." When I configure the rig all of the bones are assigned okay but it's still giving me the error, how do i fix this pls?

this is actually driving me insane

[uncut breach]

If you’re still having the issue you need to do this, it doesn’t need to be the robot sample fbx btw. The SDK forgets the entire rig so doing this will refresh it

[marble olive]

thank u for the video ill refer to this next time it happens, the fix i found in the mean time was to make a new project and start fresh

another thing, when i calibrate in-game my hip tracker is way too low, is there a way to fix this? the hip bone looks like this in blender so it looks like in a good position though:

[golden sandal]

im tryna make an avatar for vrc rn with the halo infinte elites with halo reach body idk how to make a more simple rig to assign the bones so it can be a humanoid rig in unity?
rig rn for reference

file used

[gloomy ether]

do i put twist bone weight painting on clothing meshes too?

[quaint cosmos]

I'd just scrap it an use Mixamo but you aren't going to get legs like that looking good without constraints which are only supported on PC avatars.

[thin jay]

I found this avatar in vrchat that can clone itself and the clones perfectly match the movements of the main one, without parent constraints, or rigid bodies, and it only has 44 bones. does anybody know how to recreate this effect?

[wet holly]

Gpu mesh instanstiation, aka a custom shader. But def wouldnt be quest compatible tho

[thin jay]

that's the thing...it IS quest compatible

I have no idea how, but it is

[wet holly]

Maybe the quest dosent have this option to be multiple?

[thin jay]

I tested it on quest and it works identically on quest

thats why im so confused XD

[rotund kraken]

they probably used a crap sdk

theres a reason why shit is disabled on the official, real sdk

[wet holly]

Well im just as much as you now

[wet holly]

Even with a modified sdk im pretty sure vrc set the shader themselves

On quest only

[rotund kraken]

you realize that can bypass shader limits??

[wet holly]

Wdym?

[rotund kraken]

not advised

[wet holly]

You can upload avatars with higher then limited amounts of many things, but changing the shaders no, else it would make a while somenone would have made a custom vrc quest shader, but it never happend cuz u can't change it

[rotund kraken]

yeah people upload very poor avatars but thats not the same thing

modded sdks do all sorts of shit

not really sure how else to explain

[chilly ferry]

this was literally working a minute ago but then the program crashed and this happens now

can anyone help

[wispy lily]

does anyone know how i would rig a blob slime creature thing with pseudopod arms

as in arms formed by deforming the surface of the blob into a kind of tentacle

if i rig it so the surface of the blob is tied to my hands, it would pull the surface inward when i have my hands too close to my body

which i don't want

is there any way to achieve this effect of just pushing out the surface of the blob (preferably starting from the point on the surface closest to where the 'hand' is, not from a fixed 'shoulder' position) when the arm is extended

in blender itself I think i can do it by using the mesh deform modifier but I don't think that will carry over to Unity

can anyone help with this i can't find any tutorials or anything for rigging a blob creature

guh

i could probably just make the arms seperate meshes and find some way to mask them when in the body

but that would cause other issues, like there would be a sharp angle between the arm and the blob surface which would look weird

ugh i wish i could use metaballs to make an avatar

would solve everything

[uncut breach]

You'll need to get the SDK to refresh it's rig knowledge, easiest way is doing this with what I've found

it doesn't need to be the sample robot, it can be the same avatar's FBX

[chilly ferry]

i have come to the conclusion that one weird item is breaking everything, thank you anyway

[quaint cosmos]

You can, just just have to convert it to a mesh at the end. Not sure if the topology will be any good.

[wispy lily]

wouldn't help with what i'm trying to do though, they wouldn't retain the "merging" property when animating

[quaint cosmos]

Ah, yeah, that is true.

[wispy lily]

i'm trying to make a slime creature with a surface that smoothly deforms for the pseudopod arms

with metaballs i could literally just make the arm a seperate part of the model

and it would do the smoothly deforming part by itself

with a mesh i have to

actually wait a second

[wispy lily]

is there any good method of doing this

the current best method i have been told or can think of is either A: using seperated meshes for the arms and not weighting the body at all, but

1. this would mean it would look more like kirby limbs, with a sharp angle between the start of the limb and surface of the body, and
2. I have no clue how to make the arms not be visible through the body since this avatar will be transparent

or B: just weight painting an area on the surface of the slime and using triggers to downscale the bones so the arms don't invert, but this would mean the arms can't slide around on the body which would suck

is it possible to dynamically change weight painting based on angle of polygon compared to angle of arm

because that could let me do a smoothly deforming sliding arm if it's possible

my goal is a a smoothly deforming sliding psuedopod arm (picture kirby arms but a bit longer and curving smoothly from the body instead of a sharp angle).

does anyone have any other ideas that could help me with this

[quaint cosmos]

I don't think any of this is possible in a VRChat avatar but I don't know what I don't know so maybe someone else will have some leads for you. As far as I know, it's just meshes with weights and aside from things like being able to toggle separate meshes off and on, those meshes and weights don't change. You can have shape keys but those don't fundamentally change the makeup up the mesh, just its shape.

Your best bet might be some sort of shader-based solution but that's just a guess. I don't think this sort of dynamic mesh alteration is possible.

[wispy lily]

i figured out a way to do it, this shitty image kind of explains it

the arm is a seperate mesh just under the "skin" with two bones

one rotates the arm, the arm is 100% weight painted to this bone

the other just rotates up and down and makes the arm extend, with the weight painting creating a (hopefully) smooth curve between arm and surface

[quaint cosmos]

I don't know if I get it but I'd certainly love to see it if it works

[wispy lily]

hopefully it works lol

[wispy lily]

need help with an issue

i've set up the goo arm psuedopod thing

but in blender pose mode, when I extend it by scaling the length

the end of the arm doesn't end up at the end of the bone

the bone extends past

[frail ferry]

I’m adding robes to my model and want to make them flow more realistically with Physbones, how would I add Physbones to that if the robes are already attached to my main body model?

[wispy lily]

I finished building my pseudopod arm rig, does anyone know of it will be possible to use the humanoid or generic animation controllers for this?

Or modify it to work with them? Or do I have to make my own

How does one even make an animation controller

[iron solar]

do bones have to have specific names or smth?

wait nvm

[iron solar]

ok wait in unity is there a way to overlay an image on a sphere (to add something like a 2d face?)

[gloomy ether]

can anyone help me figure out why my eye tracking isn't working on this model. this is what cats is giving me every time i try to test

[normal trail]

Would Mixamo automatically apply a bones rig to a model? I was trying to use it earlier but I wasn't sure it was going to do well.

Very new to all of this, been lurking for information

Okay, so as mentioned above I am very new to all this. I can definitely go through and rig this from the bottom up again, but is this the right amount of bones? What about fingers? I'm guessing I'm way off for a first attempt.

[thin jay]

So i was working on a parallel nightmare avatar, and his starting pose is like this

but i want it to be posed like this, the problem is when i apply it as the rest pose the hands go back up

[rose epoch]

I'm re rigging a model as when the arms go forward they lock out way before the person's arm is even a little bit stretched.
I'm assuming the Forearm Bone is to short, any advice or guides that show correct proportions?

[balmy oar]

That's way off. The bones are going the wrong way and aren't connected. Got fingers, you just make a hand bone and extrude your fingers. YouTube is a great resource for learning things like this!

[tribal pagoda]

I'm not entirely sure how to describe what I need help with, but I'll try.
I need a way to make a cord that's attached on two points, and have both sides be able to affect it. It's kind of like the reverse of a Bow string, where it's the two ends that get moved around, instead of pulling on the middle. And the two ends in this case are attached to your wrists, basically.

er, to be a little more specific, it's that each wrist has a seperate cord that connects to the chest, not one cord connecting both wrists.

and maybe a Cup and Ball is a better analogy than a Bow string

a cup and ball that's attached to your body... Like I said It's hard to explain.

[balmy oar]

So like... It's just a line that connects between your two wrists?

[golden sandal]

anybody know how to make vimeses for amth that doesnt use a human mouth i dont know what a vinese even is except it moves the kiuth so beat with me please

[quaint cosmos]

Visemes are typically shapekeys but there are various options depending on mouth type. Some avatars will use a texture and have the visemes control a mapping offset but it would probably be good to start with what your character mouth looks like and what you're trying to achieve.

[golden sandal]

i have pictures sorta this is he avi

and this is someone who used the same body and mouth

only thing is idk wtf this is

[quaint cosmos]

They're the mouth shapes that correspond to various sounds which is what visemes are. Those are just shape keys like you would do with any human avatar. You can learn the basics here. Convention is to use those names with the prefix vrc.v_, so vrc.v_aa, vrc.v_ch, etc. but they can all be assigned manually if they aren't picked up automatically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B11XBZmIIZc

This is the reference sheet I usually use which is made for humans but you can just try and copy what you see on that chart if you like how they went about it. https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/audio-ovrlipsync-viseme-reference/

[golden sandal]

so how do i get the shapekeys from blendernto unity?

[quaint cosmos]

If you export an FBX into Unity with shape keys, they'll appear in a dropdown labeled blendshapes in the skinned mesh renderer. There is an auto-assign button in the avatar descriptor to assign the shape keys to the various sounds but they also have dropdown boxes if you need to assign them manually. You'll also want a closed mouth shape key (vrc.v_sil) and a blink shape key if you want your character to blink.

[thin jay]

Does anyone know how to fix this?

[balmy oar]

Your neck and head are way to far in front of your spine

Usually when I make characters with their head so far in front of their body, I try to fix their posture in blender, but still make it look natural. Also make sure your neck and head home are lines up.

Makes sure the legs are also lined up with your hips and spine

Good to have it pretty even

Make it work well with the vrc bone pizzazz

[main badge]

someone can help me with this?

[thin jay]

I have the neck set up like this becasue of his posture, but when im using 3 point tracking the head bobs weirdly when i walk, I know its because its not straight but i dont know how to make it straight without it breaking how it rotates

[balmy oar]

If it's gonna be PC only, a good way to do it is with rotation and parent constraints. If it's on quest, unfortunately, you gotta straighten up that skeleton as much as possible. The more human it is, the better it works

[thin jay]

So is it better to put bend in the legs so they would technically be longer? or is it better to make them straight?

[bold locust]

Slight bends so the IK can more easily tell which way to bend. It doesn't have to be in pose mode. You can slightly edit the bones in edit mode.

[fading verge]

Can't use it from another avi. Have to make it yourself. Each avi has different blendshapes. Blendshapes are smaller edits made to the mesh.
Click the face, on the right side, you see a blendshape tab. Expand, and you see sliders with what it has. You'd have to press ctrl+6 to open the animaiton window, record, and start alterting these to your liking. When done, stop recording, and you have an animation. Then you have to add this to the FX layer, and create some type of toggle for it. For example, add GestureRight to the paramaters. Then add GestureRight equal 4 as a condition.
When you do a victory gesture, you'd activate the blendshape.
Here's an encompassing tutorial, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU9NFJz2qls
Here's some additional condition info that might be useful. https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/animator-parameters/#gestureleft-and-gestureright-values

[cold totem]

Is it possible to bake the texture of an object lying on another object into the object underneath? Been trying to get these fucking tights to work properly for AGES with no progress

Weight painting, they still clip a shit ton even with my best work

Rotationally-driven shape keys don't transfer to Unity

I have no idea how tf I would set up a cloth modifier for tights, or if that could even work?

cloth modifier is kind of my last hope if anybody has any idea how to do that

this is what happens currently when I try to use a cloth modifier set to cotton and have the body have a collision modifier

they're not connected to each other, not sure if that changes anything in how the cloth modifier behaves

using unity's capsule stuff for cloth sim will simply not work by nature and it'll be super visible unless I have like 5 capsule colliders in each leg lmao

I have no idea what to do 💀

[reef surge]

are the tights not weight painted?

you can try data transferring the weight data from the body onto the tights

should work fine

click on your tights mesh > modifiers > data transfer > vertex > vertex groups

and select the target object as the mesh that has your legs

[indigo nacelle]

My models sholder bones are collapsing in on themselves, anyone know what causes this?

[sage patio]

those should absolutely be done via tiling a texture with alpha

there are many shaders, like Poiyomi's, that allow you to have decal textures and tile them

[tender pendant]

im needing help to start making avis!

i wanna learn

i have ideass

[fading verge]

So I have this model with hinges on its joints and they become displaced with the slight rotation of a default rig. I've never worked with constraints before, but I'm assuming there must be some way to make it so the forearms and knees only rotate on a single axis?

[cold totem]

they are, I've already done the data transfer and even improved the weight painting past that

[cold totem]

noted, thanks

Is there a way I can stop the tiling past a certain point on the mesh or would I need to separate the lower and upper body to do that tho?

[quaint cosmos]

Start with learning to make simple models. You don't generally start with characters

[sage patio]

yes, you can have a mask

however, you'll probably want the netting to be a separate material if it will have transparency

if it's just cutout transparency it might be alright

I'm also not sure if you plan on having the tights be "stamped" onto the body, or if you want it to be a separate mesh layer above the legs

there's pros and cons to both

first option uses less polys, but second method allows you to be more flexible with the shape of the tights

so you can do stuff like have them go around the toes properly

[cold totem]

Yeah I've been trying to do it as a separate mesh, but they just clip a shit ton and I've been working on and off on this model for 15 fucking months 💀

I'll probably just make them stamp since my model uses heels and can't really take the shoes off lol

[sage patio]

you can just duplicate the lower body mesh and extrude it out using alt + S

and then do fixes from there

the weight painting will be by nature identical

[cold totem]

👀

will try that, thanks!

[sage patio]

just be mindful of the poly count, that will depend on the poly count of the body you're duplicating from

[cold totem]

this model is too far gone already to worry about that 😂 the person I bought the bodysuit from did a shit job of optimization and I can only fix it so much

[native haven]

I can rig models if anyone needs them.

[quaint cosmos]

Maybe you can but I wouldn't commission anyone from here since there is no verification system

[tender pendant]

like what. helpppp

[quaint cosmos]

Some people seem to like this one. I think the most famous beginner tutorial series is the cgcookie donut but some people don't like that one. I'm sure you'll learn stuff regardless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvh-9H8S1g&ab_channel=CGFastTrack

[tender pendant]

tysm

[tender pendant]

what app do they use @quaint cosmos

[quaint cosmos]

It is called a Blender tutorial so Blender. That's what pretty much everyone uses, there isn't much reason to use anything else unless you're in film production and your company is paying for it.

[tender pendant]

so how would i transfer this to my oculus

@quaint cosmos

[quaint cosmos]

Uploading to VRChat requires Unity. You don't even need to be able to model to make worlds and upload them to Unity but for characters, you're going to need to model, rig, map, and texture them before they'll be ready to be used in VRChat. The last 2 aren't strictly necessary for a test upload but you'll need to learn that stuff to create anything high quality. I wouldn't worry about uploading characters to VRChat until you're able to model them reasonably well and then rigging can be somewhat automated.

[tender pendant]

okie

thanks

[fading verge]

Does anyone here know how to do quadruped avatars?

[fading verge]

Because I've gotten a couple DMS about people wondering if I'm looking for an avatar, I'm asking specifically if anyone knows how to do quadruped avatars cuz I want to know if there's a way to stop their front ends from clipping into the ground when crouching or they're back end from sticking up in the air when crouching.

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, be careful about the flood of offers, probably many scams in there. All I know is that you're probably going to need constraints unless you want to avoid tracking completely and just use custom animations.

[odd mist]

does anyone know how to create a rig and tail in blender? I have no idea what I'm doing none of these videos on youtube make sense to me

[rotund kraken]

DMs from here are scams. theres a discord server called Virtual Limbs where a lot of vrchat people are quadrapedal. im not sure if the link is in #community-servers-old but i can toss you an invite if you're still interested

[wispy lily]

can i set a bone constraint in unity to only rotate on one axis?

[sage patio]

yes

it wouldn't be called a bone constraint, it would simply be a rotation constraint

[wispy lily]

yeah i figured it out

forgot to say it here

can someone smarter (and less tired) than me explain what i've fucked up here

how do i prevent the weird bulging when the hand rotates while inside the body

everything else is working as intended btw i know the rig and mesh is weird

[uncut breach]

The hand wouldn't move like that from the IK in VRChat

[wispy lily]

oh so theres no need to fix this?

[uncut breach]

it moves from the shoulder>arm>wrist

the hand/wrist can't move independently

[wispy lily]

guh

[wispy lily]

yeah i know that but the wrist is the only thing that is weight painted

let me explain

my current issue

actually let me ask the question first

or

nevermind i think i know how to fix it it's just a pain in the ass

is it possible to export a model in a pose that is not its default pose?

i mean i know it's possible

but will it work as an avatar

[sleek delta]

Alright

Anyone up right now?

I uh

I really need help

I had an avatar that wasn't outfitted with physbone, applied physbone to "plug the holes" and now everything's floaty

[sleek delta]

I need help with hands not being floaty noodles

[sleek delta]

Please?

[wispy lily]

Dont use physbones on IK enabled bones (the human skeleton)

[sleek delta]

What should I use then?

[wispy lily]

For what?

What are you trying to do

If the model doesn't have any parts that need physics like hair you dont need physbones

[sleek delta]

Alot of the avatar I’m working on has no scripts for some reason

[wispy lily]

Physbones are only for stuff that has physics like hair, breasts, tails, etc

[sleek delta]

What about wrists, neck, etc.?

[wispy lily]

Dont need physbones

[sleek delta]

Any idea what I should put as a script on it then?

[wispy lily]

Nothing?

normal bones don't need scripts

just follow a tutorial

[sleek delta]

Yeah, Unity ain’t happy about there being no script

[wispy lily]

I think that might mean it's an old avatar that used dynamicbones which are now deprecated

Not really sure

[wispy lily]

There should be an auto converter tool

In the tools menu

of the sdk in unity

I think?

probably back up first

[sleek delta]

Huh

It says there's no dynamic bones found

[balmy delta]

Did you import dynamic bones before the avatar

[sleek delta]

I got what the issue was, I got dynamic bones, probably used to be included in the sdk and isn’t anymore

[balmy delta]

They never were

[sleek delta]

Weird

[balmy delta]

Dynamic bones were a comoletely seperate script

[sleek delta]

I must’ve forgotten that step

[balmy delta]

Before the sdk got physbones

You just need to go in to the bones the console is telling you and remove the missing script component

[sleek delta]

Nah I just got dynamic bones and reimported the model

And then had the sdk convert to phys

[balmy delta]

I c

[sleek delta]

Hopefully that works

[sand patrol]

Does anyone know why this part doesnt follow the bone?

FYI. Its fully weight painted

[bronze sandal]

Probably an easy fix but is there a way to get symmetrize to stop doing this? I've tried rotating the character + armature every which way and can't seem to make it stop doing it

Was hoping not to redo the bones but it's fine if I gotta

[golden brook]

can anybody help me figure out a rigging problem with a mouth I purchased on gumroad?

I'm sure I can navigate the transfer to vrchat from there on my own, it's mainly to do with a blender problem I'm encountering before hand

[reef surge]

hey! i can try. what does the problem look like before i give it a shot?

[golden brook]

Thank you! Let me grab some screenshots

trying to get the vertex groups from mouth 1 to mouth 2

so that the bones will work for this mouth that is already part of the face

which I will need to merge the bones to the seperate armature I have already created

the original mouth worked like this

I appended the mesh and the armature to my current project

not sure if there were other steps I missed out on

[dim pond]

hey so I've discovered something annoying with my rig, after getting FBT and testing stuff out with an acquaintance who does a lot of dancing-
I gave my character some butt bones to better control the butt shape as the legs bend, They are rotation constrained, taking 50% of the rotation of the thigh bones. All I'd tested with it is MMD worlds and flexing around, particularly squatting. It moves appropriately in these situations-

BUT (heh)
if you have a tracker controlling the hip, it doesn't account for the change in rotation vs the thigh bone, I think because the thigh isn't technically moving, just the hip. So what you get is, the butt bone stays in the same position relative to the hip, which then causes the butt to very sharply clip into the back of the thigh

is there a better way to make this bone split the difference, if it's going to ignore the leg rotation in this edge case? I'd rather not just rely on straight weight painting around the butt , it's not a good pivot point for the shape and it folds really sharply without it

[sage patio]

a simple rotation constraint should just work in theory, not too sure what's going on in your case

[dim pond]

I'll have to get a video, it's really odd

[sage patio]

I have some pretty fancy butt rigging myself lol

besides some other funky stuff, I have a similar setup with a rotation constrained butt bone with a weight of ~0.5

[dim pond]

(don't worry the individual toes aren't doing anything in unity). I also swapped the double knee for a single and a support stalk like the butt, the rotation constraints seemed to give up after a third bone in a row so the feet were staying frozen

so the bone working properly, you get this going on

but the same hip:thigh angle, but as a result of the hips being moved by a tracker, folds in on itself

[sage patio]

I've never experienced that in-game, strange

but I do see what's going on

[fading verge]

The deformation is definitely a lot better with the butt bone.

I'm going to have to experiment with that in future rig iterations.

Care to show off the actual rigging 🥺

[sage patio]

that wouldn't be as fun would it though? xD

[fading verge]

boo

[sage patio]

alright alright, here's the rig, but I won't explain how it works xD

[fading verge]

I can figure it out from there

ooh...you have other fanciness going on too

[sage patio]

yea, there's a lot going on

[fading verge]

Must be thigh too

[sage patio]

are your butt bones parented to the hips or to the legs?

[dim pond]

parented to the hip

I'd assume parenting them to the legbone would result in them not being able to do the 50% rotation, as it's just 1:1 with the leg already

[dim pond]

unrelated, but is there a target pose I can edit for the closed hand in humanoid? the fingers close so noodly weird and I'd love if I can just like, have a real pose that it morphs to instead of that

[dim pond]

or do I just like, go through all the gesture animations and manually pose those

[half wagon]

can somebody help me how to fix this?
I checked the bones and stuff and they are in the right places but there still this error

[uncut breach]

Really late but if you're still having this issue, it's due to the VRCSDK just entirely forgetting the rig. You can do this with any avatar FBX to refresh it

[half wagon]

Ill try this. Ill send an update later

[fading otter]

super delayed reply but i had a similar issue caused by weights also existing for the wrong vertex group

[sand patrol]

I manage to "fix" it by simply removing that part and have it as a seperate model and attaching as an accessory on unity.

[fading otter]

that also works lul

if you finess that well enough you can actually make it not a skinned mesh renderer which makes the perf meter slightly happier
was very happy to figure that out a few days ago :)

[charred coral]

I'm pretty green at rigging, but I do not understand what it's asking for here. In the SDK it's telling me to make sure parent of soulders and neck is the chest. I've checked, and it is... what does it want?

[sage patio]

can you screenshot your bone hierarchy?

[charred coral]

spine003 is set to 'chest', spine004 is neck

the shoulder parts are appearing as red in the model, but I do not know what that means, I assume they should be green but unsure how to make them green :D

[sage patio]

you really should have your bones named properly, and you should never unpack the avatar in your hierarchy (if you did)

can you screenshot your bone mappings in the rig config?

[charred coral]

ah yeah I unpacked it

[sage patio]

can you screenshot the Head tab of the rig config

[charred coral]

spine004 is also showing red

[sage patio]

unbind the Jaw bone, and try doing Pose > Reset pose. might not fix the issue but will prevent other issues.

[fading verge]

The bones looked fine in Blender what happened??

[sage patio]

try also dragging the fbx into your scene again, not unpacking it this time

[sage patio]

that is not fine at all actually

[charred coral]

ok, it's also telling me character is in Tpose but unsure if that matters

[fading verge]

O

[sage patio]

quite wrong for VRC

[fading verge]

Oh

[sage patio]

should be fine but you can click Enforce t pose if you want

[fading verge]

Should it mess up this bad though?

Bones are placed differently than they were

[sage patio]

focus on fixing the rig first before worrying about how it looks in unity. garbage in, garbage out, common IT saying

[fading verge]

T.T I'm not trying to make the highest quality thing right now, just looking for some kind of explanation on why? does it automatically move bones??

[charred coral]

where I'm at now

[fading verge]

Also that doesn't really tell me much either. Just told me it was garbage :<

[uncut breach]

Click Pose>Enforce T-Pose

it needs to be a in a T-Pose state for Unity to accept it properly

[charred coral]

so everything is green now, did the set t-post but I'm still getting the same error message in the SDK thatthe hierarchy is incorrect

[fading verge]

Is this better????

[sage patio]

sorry, I'm not saying your rig is garbage. "Garbage in, Garbage out" is a saying used in the tech field to explain that if you feed a function a bad input, the output is guaranteed to be also bad. in this case, a bad rig going into unity will not magically become a good rig in unity

[fading verge]

Thank you for clarifying. I understand it's a saying (I work in that field too lol). just didn't know if you meant something further by it >->

[fading verge]

I followed this guide

[sage patio]

I think you misunderstood the lines with arrows as bones, those simply indicate the parenting

the dots are the bones

[fading verge]

ohhhhhhh

[sage patio]

your rig is still salvagable

• delete Pelvis bones, and move bottom of hip bone upwards to shorten it and move it slightly higher above the thigh bones
• disconnect shoulder bones to move them up and closer to the arms
• move base of neck upwards to shorten neck and lengthen chest
• add eye bones

[fading verge]

Ok thanks!

How do I move bones within the hierarchy? The two thighs are not within hips after deleting the pelvis's

wont let me drag and drop them

Also how do eye bones need to look?

The eyes are funky but Is everything else good?

How do I get both legs to be children of hips?

[sage patio]

click on a bone in Edit mode, go to green bone tab in the bottom right

under Relations, you can choose a parent bone, and you can untick Connected to move the head of the shoulder bones separately

[fading verge]

Done thanks!

What about the eyes?

[sage patio]

the eye bones and head bone should all be perfectly upright. the eye bones don't necessarily need to have associated weights, but if you want to have moving eyes you'll want to use them

[fading verge]

so like this?

the eyes being children of the head I assume

[sage patio]

correct

don't forget finger bones

[fading verge]

Yeah I'll probably add those tomorrow. Thank you so much for your help!!

[half wagon]

unfortunately it didnt work ;-;

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[steady lily]

tryna rig this model, what needs altered

[frail ferry]

Ok, I've finished texturing everything and Weight painting the main body, now what is the best way to attach the clothes to the body?

[fading verge]

is this good?

or do i need to connect the hoodie parts

also, is the thing to connect the legs good?

quick update

i added knees so i can go down

[wise brook]

So i merged all my armatures but there are like a crap ton of armatures in one can i fix this?

[fading verge]

should i use this?

[sage patio]

your rig is incorrect. you're missing feet, hands, spine, chest, and eyes. you have pelvis bones but those shouldn't be there. your shoulder bones should probably be shorter and away from the spine a bit (untick Connected in bone relations)

[fading verge]

😦 im not using hands for now, or am i forced to make hands

because i cant make hands even with tutorials

[sage patio]

you should at least have the bones, even if unweighted

[sage patio]

you'll have to elaborate and provide screenshots. the answer to "can I fix this" is almost certainly yes, but how much effort it will require depends on a lot of factors

[fading verge]

can u do it for me?

[fading verge]

.

[sage patio]

my last message was a reply to someone else. as for if I can do it for you, no sorry. ignoring the fact that I'll be 1000km away from my PC for the next 3 days, you should learn to do it yourself so you know how to do it in the future

[wise brook]

sorry was sleeping yeah so there are multiple body armatures and idk how to get them on the base armature and i alr merged them but it doesn't look like i did it correctly.

[pale pumice]

In order for merging to work properly, you should rename the bones in a consistent way - i.e. both left thigh bones should have the same name, both left shin bones the same name, etc.

otherwise it just assumes they are different and a merge will result in all of them 🙂

[wise brook]

Mmhm so there is no way to fix it from here?

[pale pumice]

Sure there is, there's always a way. I think you could merge each bone into another. You could certainly split the secondary armature back off again then rename and merge. You could probably just copy the vertex data from one group to another, since that's what really matters here.

could also restore from your last backup. You do make backups, right? 🙂

[sage patio]

@wise brook were those outfits made specifically for that model?

or did you retrofit them onto a different model

[wise brook]

yeah ther all fitted to zin fit

[sage patio]

if those outfits don't have any extra bones, for like hoodie strings for example, you don't need to do any kind of "merging" whatsoever

just delete the armature that came with the clothes, parent the clothes to the avatar's armature, then go to the modifiers tab on the clothes and select the avatars armature in the Armature modifier

[pale pumice]

This assumes the vertex group names match, of course - which they should if the asset is designed for the avatar. If not, it's renaming time.

[fading verge]

can someone rig my model?

ive watched billions of tutorials but im just stupid

for free btw

Does anyone know why this is happening? the bones are above the model for some reason

[quaint cosmos]

Can you try opening it in Blender to see if it looks the same? I'm not sure you'll be able to fix that in Unity.

[fading verge]

It looks fine in blender

[fading verge]

since you know thow to rig, can you rig my mode ?

im stupid after watching tutorials i still cant

[quaint cosmos]

Maybe try applying all transforms to the rig?

[fading verge]

Sorry but no. I'm trying to focus on my own model right now

[fading verge]

How do I do that?

who rigs models for free?

i cant pay rn im broke

[fading verge]

It takes time. Blender has a really big learning curve. I can send you tutorials that helped me

[quaint cosmos]

In object mode, you can select the rig and then Ctrl+A and then "Apply All Transforms" you should be able to do the same by selecting all the bones in pose mode and then doing the same. Also,the model is weighted, right?

[fading verge]

they're a lot shorter

yes please

[quaint cosmos]

Very few people are going to do free work but you can try uploading your model to Mixamo.com for easy, generally semi-decent results.

[fading verge]

ok

[fading verge]

yes the model is weighted. I used the automatic wiegting though

weighting

also by rig, do you mean both the bones and the mesh or just one or the other

[quaint cosmos]

Automatic weighting in Blender? That's not going to give you a very good result without manual clean-up of the weights. Mixamo is much better for that, though still not great on its own. You can apply transforms to the mesh and the rig but you'll want just the rig selected to go into pose mode.

[fading verge]

ok. and yeah I plan on cleaning up the weights later

Could that be why the model currently looks like tortured spaghetti? or could it also be the rig being above the mesh too

[fading verge]

That worked btw thanks!!

[quaint cosmos]

If the origin of the bone rotations seems to be right, it's probably the weighting. It's arguable if automatic weighting even saves any time with how bad it is. You'd be better off just deleting the rig and going the Mixamo route or else you're going to be pretty much starting from scratch with a lot of weights.

[fading verge]

It seems spaghetti monster was fixed!

I'll keep that program in mind though in case I end up needing it. thanks!

Also, IDK if its a rigging problem but the eyebrows and parts of the hair do not move with the rest of the model

[quaint cosmos]

Most likely weights, yeah.

[fading verge]

Oof. I'll have to look into that then I suppose

[quaint cosmos]

I can pretty much guarantee you're not gonna be happy with how the avatar moves with pure automatic weights. To have that system even get you in the right ballpark is a miracle.

Mixamo does 10x better and you don't even have to make your own rig, though it will almost always still give you gnarled fingers and weird neck articulation that needs to be fixed manually.

[steady lily]

any one have a better alternative to mannually weight painting apart from mixamo?

[sage patio]

do it in blender?

[quaint cosmos]

Never used it but you could try this one. I'm not aware of any way to automatically weight from an existing rig other than what's included with Blender. I actually use a plugin called Auto-Rig Pro that costs money but it's also an all-in-one rig and weighting tool like Mixamo.

https://actorcore.reallusion.com/auto-rig

[pale pumice]

make sure there aren't any un-applied transforms on the mesh or armature objects

[fading verge]

i dont think this is correct so far

[sage patio]

progress though

[fading verge]

true

is it correct tho? also, do i have to name the bones or can unity do it for me?

[sage patio]

you should name your bones properly

[fading verge]

oo also, do i make the whole hoodie one mesh? i will join them if i need to

so i can give them my own names?

ive been following a hierarchy one

[sage patio]

you can name them whatever you want but preferably what they actually correspond to

[fading verge]

phew

because i clicked an arm and i used the hierarchy chart to label them and the arm was named chest

do i use this exact rig?

also, i dont want to add fingers yet

[sage patio]

doesn't need to follow that exactly

I'd actually do it a bit differently

I'd make the chest bone bigger, and upper chest smaller

basically swap their size

[steady lily]

didnt work, when it rigged the model the finger tip bones werent there, and there were 2 bones in the upper arm bone

[fading verge]

do i need to join every mesh of the hoodie?

i made them all seperate

do i also need to join the model?

[sage patio]

your hoodie should be one mesh

[fading verge]

ok

ill join them all rn

[sage patio]

it can be separate from the body if you intend on toggling it

[fading verge]

ehh i dont think so

[sage patio]

also, make sure the hoodie only has one material slot

[fading verge]

my avatar is meant to be like the pfp i drew ( the one i have rn)

wdym?

bruh i need to change the head from meta sphere to normal sphere

ok the full body is one mesh

@sage patio

[steady lily]

any one here do wanna do weight painting instead of a full custom avi?

[fading verge]

wdym

[steady lily]

weight painting is hard

i wanna get this avi done

ive got the rig all made, everything else will be me, textures toggles and all

so i want someone to weightpaint this for me

for a price of course

[fading verge]

ngl weight painting just looked easy for me

[fading verge]

why do the eyes go back

[fading verge]

do i need to unrig the eyes?

If you have eye bones, they should be pointing straight up and have a bone roll of 0 in their neutral position.

Otherwise when you hit play they snap to that position and move them to somewhere weird.

You might have to play with the alignment to get them to move right.

[fading verge]

i used build and run, do you know if its already for standalone quest?

[wet vigil]

So... I took this avatar out into Blender, remodeled the feet into hooves, and the FBX is fine stationary, but during runtime evereything I've edited gets sucked up into the calves. Not a weighting issue as far as I'm aware of, since they can be posed normally otherwise. Maybe an export issue? I'm honestly at a loss here and could use some pointers.

[merry gust]

does anyone know how to delete polygons on your avatar ? i have 227 680 polygons and i need to have less than 70 000 😅

[merry gust]

is CATs plugin not working in blender 3.5 ?

[sage patio]

you need the dev version

https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip

[merry gust]

Thank you

[merry gust]

my sdk tells me i dont have hands feet head and upper arms but i mapped them, does anyone know how to fix this ? (dont hesitate to ping and dm)

[inner quiver]

@uncut breach you got ignored LOL

[uncut breach]

my original message was a message link, click it and it'll highlight the message with the solution to this issue

[steady lily]

is this hand rig good?

[merry gust]

Thanks

[merry gust]

If you want i can show you the model with textures, hit me up in dms

[sweet dirge]

hi yall can anyone help me fix my male avis chest physics just dm and call for a few minutes

[orchid echo]

@wet vigil it’s a blendshape issue, you’ll have to select the affected area, go to your Basis blendshape, and then select “propagate to blendshapes” or whatever it is.

This will make your hoof changes take effect on every blendshape or something. idk. I forget, I’m tired, but it’s definitely a blendshape issue you can run into when adding edits, because it’s happened to me before.

[wet vigil]

Thank you so much for your reply- I'll take this into account in the future. I did manage to figure out a workaround by separating the hooves into a separate mesh object, and I ended up not having the issue anymore. But I'll definitely go back and fix it proper.

[fading verge]

That just means the hoof blendshapes aren't activating the furr. If you activate the furr's blendshape, they'll go like that again.
You can now easily delete the blendshapes from there, then remerge the meshes and it won't happen

[viscid whale]

hello!!
i'm trying to weight paint my new model. however it's way too frustrating for me. there's weights where weights shouldn't be (i.e. on the left side of the model where it should be on the right, etc.). is there any advice :(?

[sage patio]

make sure vertex groups on both sides have proper names with L/R or Left/Right in the names

[rotund thorn]

Hello. I have an issue with blender and Unity

When I use the .blend file or export to .fbx, when I use it on unity, the scale does not match
I did'nt found any way to fix this on internet
Example :

[sage patio]

don't put the blend file in the unity project, export it as FBX. when you export, make sure to set Apply Scaling to FBX All, and uncheck Add leaf bones under Armature

[rotund thorn]

Thanks. I tried that. But still the same issue
Scale are different between the 2 versions

I think I found a quick fix, but not very good
Import setting : scale factor = 0.01
And I put the avatar scale xyz at 100
And then, the component scale are the same
But I wish there is a way to fix this

[rotund thorn]

I think I fixed my issue :

1. In blender, transform the scale armature to xyz 1.0 (from 0.01)
2. Scene --> Unit scale --> 0.01

Conclusion : play with the armature scale, unit scale, scale factor in import settings until it's good

[copper halo]

Apply scaling when exporting : use the one thats not default. I cant remember its name but thats were the problem is

[fading verge]

anybody know how to fix this to be a normal armature?

[steady lily]

how should the thumb and fingers weightpainting look if its good

[quaint cosmos]

Each bone should be weighted to a particular joint so the fingertip bone should just be weighted to the fingertip, etc.

[steady lily]

where my layers at

[sick vessel]

Guys, is the rigging of this model good? or do i need to change it to be able to use it in vrchat?

[fathom sun]

Can anyone help? my thumbs aren't moving properly on the model. They should be moving left to right, and up to down,

but instead they're rotating and moving left to right.

[dim pond]

if my armature is completely symmetrical and the legs aren't rotated in, is there something I need to do to get the humanoid rig to stop doing this with its breathing animation

[rain mountain]

im pretty new to weight painting, and whenever i bend the knee bone it makes the rest of the leg shrivel up. is there an alternative way to rig it or anything that can fix this?

[sage patio]

you need more geometry around the knee area, and you need to have the weights not be as smooth

use the Smudge tool to "nudge" weights around

[rain mountain]

alr thank you

[supple merlin]

if anybody can help me rig this properly hmu
btw it is rigged but its not rigged for vrchat

[rain mountain]

uhh wtf happened to the rig??
it's completely normal in blender but for some reason when i put it in unity the main body bones are all wacky like this. the only normal parts are the legs and kind of the arms

i'll probably figure it out before anyone helps with this though so uhh.. yea