avatar-rigging

[sleek isle]

@fathom hawk it's try and errors

The reason people don't like skinning

[fathom hawk]

What I’m asking is what do I have to do in order to bring the skeleton into the scene like what do I do to add it to the scene in blender so that I can rig

Also omg I just realized u made gogo loco, that thing is awesome

[sleek isle]

Talk normally

[fathom hawk]

I am talking normally, you are just not understanding what I am asking

[sleek isle]

Your model need more edges

[fathom hawk]

I’m not asking about modeling I’m asking about Rigging

[sleek isle]

You need more edges

[quaint cosmos]

Edges are needed for good deformation. The model can only move where it has edges to allow for that. Any Blender rigging tutorial can get you started but this one covers the rig setup VRChat expects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WqCUdilzS8

[fathom hawk]

Ok thank you for actually explaining

[quaint cosmos]

Gogo can be a little challenging. Part of it's the language barrier. Part of it.

[fathom hawk]

Ah

That makes sense

[sleek isle]

In the end, just use VRCFury

Easy, fast, ect...

[fathom hawk]

Ok

[quaint cosmos]

Never heard of it but it looks pretty useful.

[fathom hawk]

Yea me neither but I looked it up and it does look useful

[wise burrow]

Im trying to combine the meshes to try to bring down the polygon count, but when i use ctrl j many parts of the model clip and warp

i dont think it'd be weight painting since its already connected properly at first

i might be wrong

[quaint cosmos]

Well, an easy way to check would be to go into weight paint mode with the head vertex group selected and see

[wise burrow]

okay

[wise burrow]

thanks, it was the weight painting lol

[broken trout]

weight painting is the dns of avi rigging. It ALWAYS goes wrong

[rotund kraken]

lmfao

[civic elm]

So how could I go about this?

I have 2 models, they are the same.
I messed up on the Alpha Joints, so I deleted them from the base model and I want to take the Alpha joints from the other model as its the same rig and keep the weight paints.

How would I do this?

[quaint cosmos]

So you just want to switch the rig? You can just change the rig in the armature modifier. You'll probably also want to unparent the objects from the current rig.

[ionic sinew]

Hi All, I have a weird question. I like my avatar's head to appear quite large when I look in the mirror. I had to resize my current one to make it a little smaller, as it wasn't proportionate. In doing so, I lost the feeling of my head being the "right" size in the mirror. Now, everything feels small, and just overall off. I tried resizing the headbone, and making the arms a little longer, but I couldn't really notice a difference. Is the only way to fix this to scale the head back up disproportionally again? Or am I just not figuring out the correct headbone to armbone ratio?

[pale pumice]

by "scale the head" do you mean bone or mesh?

[upbeat maple]

Sounds more like where the view point is.

On another note, I've noticed more anthro avatars with digitigrade legs that work in quest. Is this something to do with IK? Or maybe the squishy stuff.

[echo crane]

I can't figure this out, I rigged this but when I bring it into unity, this happens

nvm

[pale pumice]

Like actually moving properly, or just faking it with a rigid ankle?

[upbeat maple]

Ghost Cabbit's work looked like it moved properly.

[wise brook]

cam someone help with this?

[brazen island]

@wise brook yeah, you just dont touch it and remember about it only when setting up poi in unity

[winter axle]

Hey is there any tutorials you guys would recommend that cover how to make dangly belts and chains on clothes?

[robust mantle]

what are you trying to achieve

[quaint cosmos]

Looks like blending 2 textures. There are some shaders that can do that but unless you need to animate that, it's generally best to just blend them in photoshop and export to a single texture

[autumn flare]

I’m rigging my very first model but at some point when weight painting I accidentally made the right thumb stretch the right leg when it moved. I’ve tried erasing everywhere I can all over that leg but it doesn’t work

I should just find out how to erase all the weight paints for a bone

I should have waited until I had blender open to ask questions tbh. I guess I just like typing things out to help me think lol. I shall return if I still can’t make it work

[autumn flare]

Wooo! I did it!

[civic elm]

Why is weight painting such a pain-

I am dragging with all my might, and it just wont turn blue

[quaint cosmos]

You can only really paint vertices so you might have some issues if you're trying to paint the middle of an edge, otherwise, make sure you're adjusting weight and not strength

[inland epoch]

Can somebody help me with the eyes of my model I can't seem to figure out how to model them and I don't know how to make mouths
These two photos are what I have so far and I don't know how to make rectangular eyes with a sphere

[rotund kraken]

add a cube, add the subdivision surface modifier

[inland epoch]

Now what

[rotund kraken]

mirror then edit to your content

[inland epoch]

Like this(I also need help with the mouth)

[rotund kraken]

i don't mean subdivide the cube. the subdivision surface is a modifier you put above your mirror modifier

[inland epoch]

I know I use the subdivision modifier alot but I felt like it would make it look nicer
Also do I remove the back half?

[rotund kraken]

this is what youd end up with

also yeah you would

just get your base shapes down first

ie:

[inland epoch]

like this?

[rotund kraken]

wait until you have your whole eye modeled to cut out the back/what people can't see

the eyes will move left to right in game so youll want to wait

[inland epoch]

This is the full eye
Unless if you want me to add eyelids and a mouth(I don't know how to do either) then we are gonna have this

[rotund kraken]

idk if a flat look is what you're going for, but this is what i did. you could just rotate those eyes that you made in that pic above by 90 deg and reshape them to make the eyeball

if you're try to make the pupil you can just use a mirrored plane mesh

cause theres different parts of the eye lol

[inland epoch]

Alright but how about the mouth I don't know how to do it

[karmic rose]

im getting material errors in unity, can anyone help?

[fair plank]

Trying both CATS and Tuxedo "Fit Clothes" option

Tried in 3.2 blender and 2.93

[queen flame]

should a rig have any constraints like IK for hands?

[stoic matrix]

hello, i've extended the rig's shoulders a million times and its not working, what am i supposed to do?

[pale pumice]

How tall is it?

[stoic matrix]

i don't know how to check

there isnt any cms

[pale pumice]

click the avatar root, look in the inspector for the scale

[stoic matrix]

Hold up

let me see

[pale pumice]

also click the FBX file, in the Model tab there's a scale factor. If those are both just 1 you may have to look in something like Blender.

[quaint cosmos]

The standard cube in Unity is 1 cubic meter so that's a good way to check the scale of your model. If the cube is super tiny or massive compared to your model, there's something up with the scale.

[mighty wraith]

how would i make blendshapes a toggle

i have tried many things to fix what i have but it doesnt even seem to toggle on

it works fine in animations but the toggle just doesnt work

[queen flame]

Will weight painting in blender do anything once imported to unity?

[rotund kraken]

yea if you have a rig

[queen flame]

ok thanks

[queen flame]

https://gyazo.com/01e8c4a5e56076a0341982474397b438 anybody have a idea on why this is happening?

[queen flame]

yea, the hand/glove not moving like the right, sorry if I wasnt be clear

no no, the glove, see the wrist part of the glove moving out of place, but on the right it stays where its supposed to be

yea lol

i did, its the same on both sides

let me get a ss

YEP

yep*

just a little difference on the hand but I truly doubt thats the issue

[queen flame]

@sour pelican sorry for pinging you, but just wanna ask if you figured out the issue maybe?

and now I feel even more sorry since I figured it out

i deserve the worlds biggest idiot reward, since when weightpainting I forgot to take the IK bone into account

lol

wait

kinda did

but kinda didnt

it clips, but I it could just be the position of it

not the position or weight paint

[sour pelican]

does the other one do that too

[queen flame]

no

so it was weight painting, for some reason every bone of the finger was able to move the entire glove

[toxic siren]

Very very new to this what does this mean I can’t seem to fix it can someone help 😭

[tired timber]

If need be add a bone to keep it in place.

[tired timber]

You need to click on sitting on the avatar descriptor and set it as go all sitting I think

I don’t recommend messing with go loco is you’re just starting

[toxic siren]

@tired timber

Thank you

[toxic siren]

Have a new question for id appreciate any help or ideas, after adding gogo everything works great but in the process my hands are stuck like this 🤚 so that means I can’t do any gestures and on top of that no facial expressions since they are tied to my gestures, and I did try changing the mask in fx to none and still nothing

[copper halo]

Merging vertex groups does some funky stuff and i have no idea why. Anyone know cause google sure does not

i cannot find a single reason why it does this. it should work

is it because it has shapekeys? shouldnt be right? why would it even do this?

the hair does this when i merge the weights even if the hair is not assigned to the armature or merged with the rest of the mesh

okay reimported the hair. now that works it just does not transfer all of the weight

[pastel cape]

I need help I uploaded a avatar it’s saying it’s not for quest and it keeps t posing

Also how do u add it to quest

[chilly ether]

#avatar-help

[iron gazelle]

Does anyone know what I should do to correct this error
Blender bone heat weighting: Failed to find solution for one or more bones

[brazen island]

.@iron gazelle for mesh try to merge - by distance, cleanup - remove loose verticies

[iron gazelle]

Yeah I tried that already

nothing so far

[brazen island]

@iron gazelle try to separate loose parts, weight each and then combine back, i believe intersecting loose meshes also may prevent this from working

[iron gazelle]

I'm afraid you lost me there

weight each loose part?

[brazen island]

@iron gazelle you have one mesh but not all parts of it connected, you need to separste it to multiple meshes

and do bine heat for every part

[iron gazelle]

ah ok I think I know what you mean

[brazen island]

overall just use accurig/mixamo, blenders heat weighting is not the greatest

[iron gazelle]

Are those plugins or a separate program?

[brazen island]

its a program and webservice

[iron gazelle]

ah ok, I'll give it a check, thank you for the help

[toxic siren]

Can anyone walk me though how to set up gogo through screen share

[kind ore]

it has instructions on it

its also not a rigging problem

[toxic siren]

Well my b new to this and where would the instructions be?

[rotund kraken]

it comes with instructions

[toxic siren]

Gogo? Comes with instructions okay

I’ll use that

[sweet stag]

is there anyway to fix the "hierarchy is incorrect" error.

[quaint cosmos]

Are you trying to create a humanoid rig? Is this rig set up properly for that?

[sweet stag]

yes i think

[quaint cosmos]

Is it set up like this? Unity is pretty particular in terms of the structure of a humanoid.

Ear bones are optional

[sweet stag]

something like that ill show you

[quaint cosmos]

It's still kind of hard to see but from the hierarchy it looks like the hierarchy is weird, there's lots of bones that the humanoid bones are parented to that could be causing you issues and I can't see most of the humanoid parenting from that image. Is this your first avatar or do you have experience rigging? This looks like a fairly complex project.

[sweet stag]

no and its my second avatar im going to take a another screenshot but with the vrchat shaders on.

idk why the shaders appear black in unity

[quaint cosmos]

It looks like you have at least one additional bone in your spine chain and the legs are really bent which might not look great but it simply not working is likely a matter of parenting and I still can't get a good look at the parenting but all of those additional bones at the root of the parenting structure could be creating issues as would having excess spine bones.

[sweet stag]

oh you want me to show you a screenshot of the parents?

uh do you?

[sweet stag]

oops i did not notice the spelling mistake.

hello?

[quaint cosmos]

Sure, if you want to show the hierarchy I can have a look at it though I'm not sure if that is going to fix anything even if that part of the rig is parented correctly.

[sweet stag]

ok

[quaint cosmos]

I think part of the problem is you have hips and a pelvis whereas a humanoid should just have hips, spine, chest, upper chest (optional), neck, and head.

[sweet stag]

oh ok

[quaint cosmos]

That doesn't show any more of the hierarchy than your other images have

[sweet stag]

oh

[quaint cosmos]

But what it does show is multiple hip bones parented to the hip. It just looks like a bit of a mess. I would recommend sticking to actual humanoids rather than trying to force a model not rigged as a humanoid into that mold. It generally doesn't work without a lot of tweaking

[sweet stag]

ok

[waxen flax]

Does anyone know how to fix this? 😭

[robust crescent]

mobile shader ? remove vertex colors

[turbid dagger]

You don’t really need to fix yellow warning signs, you’re all good

[waxen flax]

Oh okay tysm but I deleted most of the accesories and its still too big is there a way to make it smaller by other means or is it just to big in general?

[robust crescent]

easy fix with a small script

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/silenttools

[waxen flax]

Thank you so much and sorry im like still learning my ways in uploading avatars.

[robust crescent]

very rare you will ever notice it , only seen it twice maybe when im in fbt

[tribal warren]

Egg

[solar saffron]

I just wanted to ask if anyone has any resources for making vr chat rigs useing object constraints. I have been trying to figure out how to rig this particular model from inscryption.

[buoyant pilot]

unity has parent constraints which would be the equivalent

[buoyant pilot]

most likely you'd have to recreate the constraint system entirely in unity

although I don't see why you'd need constraints for a simple humanoid rig

[quaint cosmos]

Constraints also aren't supported on Quest avatars

[full crypt]

Hi, quick question, do I need to have inverse kinematics in my rig for it to work in vrchat?

[quaint cosmos]

No. I think inverse kinematics can only be used in PC avatars but I may be mistaken on that. It certainly isn't required.

[pale pumice]

You only need to do anything with IK if you're doing something non-humanoid.

[bold field]

I cannot figure out what I need to change with my rig
I tested with head locked -> hip locked -> and both locked
Knees bend on head locked and she got scoliosis when it's both locked

hip lock seems to work fine

[wise brook]

Im having an issue with an avi it's missing a lip sync one of the viseme are not there on the head I imported it into blender to see is there a way to add it in?

[quaint cosmos]

Visemes should be under shape keys in Blender. It's the tab on the right that looks like an inverted triangle

[wise brook]

yeah i found it and its missing vrc.v_sil

[quaint cosmos]

That's an easy one, just add a new shape key and move one vertex very slightly. I understand it doesn't work well with a shape key that does nothing so you just have to make some tiny imperceptible change somewhere.

[wise brook]

im new to blender and i tired adding it in but it broke the avi and im not sure on how to do that.

[pale pumice]

Oh interesting, I hadn't heard this

[solar saffron]

out of all the things that they restrict, this is the most odd one i seen. Thanks for letting me know.

[quaint cosmos]

Should just be a matter of using the + button to add a new shape key and naming it vrc.v_sil and then overwriting the model but overwriting models can occasionally cause issues so sometimes it's best to just import it as a new avatar.

[quaint cosmos]

It could be superstition or an old bug, I just heard it when I was learning how to do visemes and it doesn't hurt to move one vertex a millimeter so I just do it to be safe.

[pale pumice]

Hah, sometimes those superstitions are valid 🙂

[solar saffron]

It was some advice from a friend. If you don't mine me asking, at least regarding the claw on the only arm in this model. do i just align the bones for the thumb and index fingers?

[buoyant pilot]

probably

[pale pumice]

ooh, you could do working feline claws with constraints

[spare hearth]

i have an issue where my fingers close way too much when i do the fist animation and open to much when i do the open hand animation. Any idea what i might be doing wrong?

[fervent mantle]

I would adjust the bones and weight painting that first knuckle on the fingers being inside the hand is the issue

[spare hearth]

is there any reason why the default "open palm" animation on vrchat has the fingers splayed outwards rather than flat?

like i know you CAN bend your fingers back that far rougly but that's nowhere near a "neutral" pose

that alone is making me want to make custom hand animations, even if it would be a PITA

[brazen island]

@spare hearth neutral pose is idle/0, open hand/2 is a separate, deliberate gesture. And yes, youre welcome to animate it into whatever you want.

[spare hearth]

Is there a way to specifically override open hand without rewriting/copying the rest of the hand animations?

[brazen island]

@spare hearth whut. copy default hands layer, copy/make open hand animation (no proxy_ in its name!), replace animation

[spare hearth]

Thanks. I haven't ever actually needed to do this before but it just looks weird with the bulky hands my avatar has.

[sleek isle]

That's usually the behavior you will get on all rig

[spare hearth]

where are the default hand gesture animations stored?

[ionic bloom]

Can anyone help me fix this problem (I've had this problem for over 1 year and a half now and vrchat support has not helped me at all.) | When I try to walk, my character's leg sticks forward in a weird position. I've changed my height in-game, reset VRChat, delete and reinstall, and to no avail. Can anyone tell me how I can fix this ingame or in the files? (It's also with ALL VRChat avatars.)

[pale pumice]

all avatars, like including stuff like publics you didn't build?

[ionic bloom]

yes

[pale pumice]

weird! Probably not a question for this channel though

[fervent dirge]

the gesture in VRChat is much different from that in unity. is this a problem caused by rigging?

[jagged gate]

does anyone know how to attach these shoes to the avatar? T-T

the shoes come together

[ionic bloom]

what channel then

[pale pumice]

This is for rigging avatars you're working on - you aren't doing that. Guessing #user-support-old or #full-body-tracking mabe?

[ionic bloom]

dont have full body tracking and i reported this problem twice with vrchat workers tell me they dont know

[pale pumice]

🤷‍♂️

[ionic bloom]

i genuinely dont know what to do

so far ive only found around 5 people with my problem and they never fixed it

[robust mantle]

do it in a 3D software not in unity unless its a toggle

[brazen island]

uh, not much you can do in unity with both shoes being a single mesh🤤

[lament oracle]

anyone have any ideas what im doing wrong?

[languid niche]

Hi. Do I need to add IK in blender or will it be done in Unity?

[quaint cosmos]

IK isn't needed for standard humanoids

[finite trench]

I'm having trouble figuring out how to rig this

all the tutorials i look at want me to use a humanoid rig but its not human

[fervent mantle]

Rigging wouldn't really be the biggest issue animating the locomotion for it is where i have issues with 4 legged avatars

[finite trench]

how would you rig it though? I've tried putting a humanoid rig inside and just moving the parts to be like a human on all fours but when I need to set tpose the avatar gets messed up

[quaint cosmos]

Humanoid is much easier for VRChat since you can make use of the existing humanoid animation sets but I don't think you're going to have much luck with that here. Using a generic rig is a lot more work since you need to make your own animations for everything but then you could ensure it moves the way you want it to. If you aren't already an experienced avatar maker, I'd pick an easier project to start with.

[fervent mantle]

☝️

[sleek isle]

[hallow quartz]

Hi, i made a tail rig with an animation, and a rigged avatar, do someone know how i can merge both rig without losing their weights or animations ?

[tight knoll]

Hey, I made a model and vrchat is asking for some shoulders, but as soon as I add those shoulders my rig seems to absolutely destroy itself. I have no idea why. It also seems that the shoulders are optional but the rig inspector thing shows they're optional, sorry if this is a super noob question but it's absolutely bewildering me

[tight knoll]

nvm, who knew a couple bones not being connected would break things that bad-

[faint cypress]

Question for the better rigging folks, how do i fix this goof on the shoulder?

[tulip epoch]

can anyone help me gat this into vrchat pls i made this myself and dont know how to do anything with it

i made it in blockbench

[wide bay]

how can i specify the head hands feet? =/ ive googled but im not able to find a mapping/rigging tab anywhere

[wind swallow]

Im having issues with my rig set up and i for the life of me cannot figure out what has gone wrong. I have uploaded this avatar once before with the exact same bone names and placement before with no issue. The only editing i did was weight painting. All the bones are in the correct places within the linking area and all work in the muscles and settings.

same for the hands

[agile saffron]

Does anyone know if the length a rigs neck bone effects "view point" Been working with a new base model recently and notice it has a longer neck bone them previous bases and notice while the eyes align correctly in game, it seems I "see" more of my shoulder blades etc.

[brazen island]

@agile saffron no. it wouldve been sickening, looking from a crane point with huge swing when turning head. so all this viewpoint thing is really doing is setting height.

[agile saffron]

So wonder if just pulling the view point down a little bit then normally putting directly between the eyes might help adjust the weird viewing that it is doing.

[analog pulsar]

There's a sort of thing with that, usually, it's the proportion between the spine/chest with the rest of the body that causes that to be a problem with the thing. I've been messing with that myself recently and yeah, the two things that make it less disproportionate are the spine/chest bone proportion and pulling the viewpoint back towards the center of the head.

Anyone know how to fix the weird tongue/nose rig physbone problem? Like it's something that isn't fixable in unity, but once you get in-game, the physbone looks like it hits a collider and swerves off in a direction.

[pale pumice]

I'm guessing that if you put a phsybone on the tongue which has collision on, it'll collide with your head collider

[agile saffron]

Cool I'll make a test avatar then and play the the spine and chest lengths then and see if I can fix it.

[analog pulsar]

I removed collision property too, which is what I thought it'd do, but is seems to not be the case quite.

[fading verge]

can someone help me on how to do eyelids with blendshapes?

[fervent mantle]

What kind of help do you need?

[fading verge]

I have two seperate models, one for the eyelids, and one for the rest of his body. I was able to map the eyelids to the eyelids mesh, but now his eyes are permanently closed. and in the blink box it says -none-

[fading verge]

hello?

[fervent mantle]

You either have to assign bones or blendshapes to the eyelids in blender

[void trout]

hey, did you find any solution for this yet?

[void trout]

i have the same issue, did you figure out a solution yet?

[wind swallow]

no i havent :")

[void trout]

thats so fun to hear... were there any errors in your sdk while having that issue?

[void trout]

if im not wrong then these are the mapping options, but i thought i did this correctly...

[void trout]

Oh come on! Someone please tell me what mapping even is so i can figure the rest out by myself? Help me and @wind swallow out here

[wind swallow]

Sorry I fell asleep, you're experiencing the same issues?

[wind swallow]

A friend has been helping me behind the scenes with alot of it and we are gunna try some stuff out tomorrow. I may end up going back to blender to do name tweaking to see what difference that possible makes

[wind swallow]

My friend made theirs work on thier unity but we dont know why or how. They will be setting the model up for me until I can make a new one

[amber mantle]

if i have a model with no neck, but a head that tapers off to the torso, (ie something like patrick from spongebob), what would be the best way to rig the model's head?

[void trout]

So I fixed my issue using the pumpkin plugin. I copied my original avatar onto a new mesh and used that mesh.

[heady bane]

is there anyone around that managed to convert the Super Bomberman R models to VRChat? looking for some help with getting Magnet Bomber converted fully

[final pivot]

Weightpaint the head bone not the neck bone

[real bone]

Any tips for elbow twist bones? heres the weight painting, Left side of photo is no twist bones, right side of photo is with twist bones, any tips to make it look better?

Thinking I just might need to clean it up a bit, they way it painted the vertexes can make it uneven in certain spots

Kinda sad this is no longer available it's just blank

[arctic ember]

It's now part of https://github.com/feilen/tuxedo-blender-plugin

[real bone]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[sacred flower]

Hopefully this is the right place to ask, when I click the little wrench icon next to fix model to uncheck all the boxes this pops up instead?

If I try just fixing the model without doing anything it merges all my stuff together and just makes a mess out of my avatar.

I know people don't like to use the fix model for this reason but I had to rerig a shirt to my base and it's not moving with my avatar when I enter pose mode. The tutorial I watched said that you'd need to click fix model after unchecking all the boxes to ensure your model stays the same

[brazen island]

@sacred flower youre on dev branch of cats?

[sacred flower]

I'm a bit unsure, I'm still very new to blender this is my first time officially editing an avatar. I just downloaded whatever one that was linked on their website?

[brazen island]

@sacred flower https://github.com/absolute-quantum/cats-blender-plugin/archive/refs/heads/development.zip this one works with blender 3.0+

[sacred flower]

Alr I will give that one a try!

Thank you! That seemed to fix it:)

So sorry but now it seems like my MMD doesn't work? Like when I click on the drop down menu it doesn't show anything

[brazen island]

well you can always install blender 2.93 as second one

I dont think i ever touched mmd on 3.0+ so idk if theres some issues with cats

[sacred flower]

I'll give the older version a try tomorrow since it's past 3 am for me

[brazen island]

yeah time to play the game

[real bone]

So when it comes to twist bones, do I need to separate weight paint my base model and clothing or can it work with the same weights?

[odd owl]

so i changed my avatar to be masculine by making the shoulders wider (i also moved the arm bones), but in unity it seems like the arm bones are closer to the center..... why

its very weird because i can pose it properly on blender but not unity (actually i can pose it properly on unity too but when theres an animation the arms move closer together for some reason)

its as if the arms moved themselves in when they are on any animation

[cloud bloom]

Anyone know a fix for this

[fervent mantle]

More bones and constraints

[odd owl]

i would love to know a fix for this, the issue is that in all animations the arms seem to sink into the chest and this happened only after moving the upper arm bone in blender

[final pivot]

How would I go about making each section of this model move independently from eachother

[fluid jackal]

can I upload my avatar without needing shoulders. I don't want the shoulder area to deform/move, but when I remove the shoulders even when I re parent the upper arms to the spine it says spine hierarchy missing please map shoulders

Images to show what I mean

[high mortar]

I'm trying to hide a dress with a blendshape but this always happen, does anyone know what to do in this case? It'll always clip through when the model moves

[paper patrol]

thats a weightpaint issue, or rather not 100% an issue because if you weight paint it to follow the bones accurately it'd look kinda bad when the blendshape is off. what you can do to hide the dress once its " toggled off" is use a shader that allows for transparency, making sure the dress is on a seperate material from the rest and just toggle the transparency til its gone from view. a shader like poiyomi, you can do the dissolve effect where it appears to dissolve into nothing and that will likely help with making it look toggled off. i've seen some avis use this method like godfalls avis ect.

i would say though try to get the dress as inside of your mesh as possible before doing the shader stuff though

[high mortar]

i'm trying to make it work for quest, so that's why I'm trying to avoid using two meshes or materials. does poiyomi work for quest?

[final pivot]

Sadly no. Only the shaders in VRChat/Mobile

[paper patrol]

oof, yeah. quest is kinda hard to do that stuff with ngl

[runic field]

How do you remove weightpaint on your avatar in blender? I can't ctrl Z this

[quaint cosmos]

Easiest way is probably to select the vertex group you want to unweight, select all the verts and then select remove under the vertex groups. That's if you want to unweight a part, if you want to remove all the weights from an entire model, just delete all the vertex groups.

[wooden marlin]

complete noob here, how do i fix the Mesh 'X' has 'Y' (out of 'Z') vertices with no weight and bone assigned (they will be assigned to bone #0 with weight 1). The list of vertices: 0,1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and so on...
ive been stuck on this avatar for three days now, each time i make progress getting a new error

[wooden marlin]

figured it out, probably has to do with weight painting which i wont even try to fix

[visual arch]

i cant move my mesh even if its all red, its a duplicate hat thats normally on the head if thats somethingto bring up

[errant topaz]

is the armature modifier on the object properly, and is it set to the right armature?

[visual arch]

i found oout how to fix it, i just replaced the bone with another and waist painted it again which works

[errant topaz]

huh, strange, but I'm glad you were able to fix it!

[lilac terrace]

Hello, would anybody happen to know why the weightpaint looks like this, even though the vertices are symmetrical?

[bleak sapphire]

Any idea how to fix this odd warping? its moving the arms just fine but the shoulder section is left behind

[bleak sapphire]

Well, ive fixed that issue but when doing thst It now does this

[dark fox]

Yo guys! I was wondering if someone can rig a character for me for free, i want to make it my private avatar, model's done btw.

[rotund kraken]

run through mixamo, clean weights in blender. rigging is hard and not free

but also be wary of DMs youll receive from scam bots

[dark fox]

ok

[jolly dock]

Is there a way in blender to remesh a model in a way that removes intricate details and allows for it to attach easily and properly to a rig

I know about the actual remesh feature but I’ve been working with it for the past few hours to try and rig something but it hasn’t gotten me anywhere

It just leaves the mesh as complicated as it previously was and the rig still doesn’t work as intended

[quaint cosmos]

You can get away with a bit of decimation and the mesh will still move fine in most cases, especially if you go back in and manually support the major edge loops. If you need to get a model to 10% of its current tri count and don't want to have to re-weight it, I don't know of a way to do that without manually dissolving edge loops.

[twin halo]

Heyo noob to blender here- so the model I have has a separate purchase and I had gotten that but it needs blender work to fit the body due to blendshapes and bones- if somebody can help me with that it would be amazing bc I haven't had any luck with the creator helping me- nor any explanation

[jolly dock]

Send a photo and I’ll let you know if it’s something I can help with

[twin halo]

Basically clothing doesn't move with sliders or phybones of the body

[quaint cosmos]

What you need to do is add weights. For clothing, using the transfer weights function to project the body weights to the clothing can sometimes do most of the work for you depending on the shape of the clothing but you may need to do some manual adjustment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arXf5EV3H1c

[dark fox]

wanted to ask if i need to weight paint for vrc or if i can just add a model with a simple rig to vrc without weight paint

[fervent mantle]

I mean that depends on if all of the vertices are weighted to the rig

[dark fox]

i can send a screenshot

[fervent mantle]

Ok

[dark fox]

if it needs weight paint lmk

also i accidentally added annotations 💀

if thats a problem then idk how to fix it

all limbs are connected by thin lil rectangles

[fervent mantle]

Go into pose mode and test the bones of they don't bend properly then yeah some weight painting will need to be done

[dark fox]

alr

also do i have to attach the bones to the parts of the model or is it just i put the bone inside the part and it works

oops

its tryna bend the THICC part of the arm

im guessing im in need of weight painting 💀

its still paired with the mesh i guess 🤷

can someone weight paint this for me?

[fervent mantle]

The problem is those straight low poly meshes aren't going to give you a clean bend

[dark fox]

ah... so is there a way to fix it? this is my first model that im actually comitted to so..

i just want it to bend at the freakin thin parts

[fervent mantle]

Look up weight painting videos on youtube

[dark fox]

alr

whats the quickest one you know, just wondering

[fervent mantle]

Idk I taught myself

[dark fox]

honestly at this point i might as well just pop it into vrc and see how it goes

could be fun idk

[quaint cosmos]

In some instances like the leg and arm bones, you should be able to get away with just parenting the mesh for that part to the bone which you can do in Unity. It's not a good way to do it as it requires the mesh be split into different models for every bone but it is one approach. Single meshes that need to be rigged to multiple bones like the spine and chest, however, will not work well with that approach.

[dark fox]

ill just do it for funni >:)

i can fix it later lmao

in fact i basically already did, its just the bones look wonky as fuck

like wtf is this

look what i had to do to the meta rig to make the torso not disconnect 💀

wait can i use the newer versions of unity for vrc or nah

like the latest one?

also what should i export it as?

for unity ofc

[quaint cosmos]

Nope, it's 2019.4.31f1, that's it. As for your rig, you probably have some stuff set incorrectly for the parenting, also you have 2 pelvis bones which Unity isn't going to like.

FBX is the best format fro Unity.

[dark fox]

alr bet

uhm so my vrc account isnt connected to my steam one

so idk..

how do i connect it lol

[quaint cosmos]

That'd be a #user-support-old thing. I don't think Steam accounts can publish stuff so you might need to get another account?

[dark fox]

dw i merged just now its fine

[faint cypress]

Waaaah i lost the avatar rig template

Does anyone ahve it?

[faint cypress]

Gotchy

Now unity is screaming at me about incorrect hierarchy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730948141196509297/1116922415818219560/image.png

Where did i go wrong?

Oh wait i spotted it

[thin jay]

just rigged this but all the limbs are going the wrong way

[twin halo]

Heyo I'm still having problems with clothing- if someone could message me and tell me what exactly to do that'd be perfect- I've been trying to get the avi I bought and the clothes I had gotten that were meant for the model to work together-

[quaint cosmos]

You need to transfer the weights from the body to the clothing in blender. There are Youtube tutorials for that, that's probably the best you're gonna get for free.

[twin halo]

I've figured out that part now but now the physbones for the chest aren't working at all-

[slender locust]

A game I like recently released their playermodels publically and I want to turn them into VRChat fallbacks, but.. I have NO idea what's going on here!! is there a way for me to mess with this so it's like actually usable???

[quaint cosmos]

Delete the rig and re-rig it with something like Mixamo

[slender locust]

💀

auto rigging doesnt always give the best results but ok

[quaint cosmos]

For better results, do a bit of manual clean up on the weights. You can get decent results that way and it will be much simpler than trying to convert that custom IK setup to something VRChat can use.

[slender locust]

ok :3

can i actualy export the auto rig from mixamo?

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, you can just search for t-pose in Mixamo and export that with the skin in the export options.

[rotund kraken]

just realized these messages are some hours old but even when you export the rig in "t pose" itll come with some keyframes you need to delete in blender

[silk slate]

Would anyone be able to help me fix this?

[quaint cosmos]

Look up Blender Transfer Weights on Youtube. You need to transfer the weights from the body to the clothing.

[brazen island]

or maybe its just missing the armature modifier

[silk slate]

portions of the shoe are getting left behind

its not parenting all the loose parts

i merged by distance on everything which fixed a few bits that got left behind before

like one of the index fingers

and parts of the arm are moving completely different parts of the mesh that it shouldnt me

the forearm is moving things on the torso

this is just simply bad weight painting

i can fix that manually

but things just arent moving

transferring the weights sorta works

its just really fucked up now

but atleast its moving

[silk slate]

theres too much to manually do this

theres these little spikes on it that dont want to move

[quaint cosmos]

You really only need to worry about weight paint where you're going to be blending weight between bones, otherwise you can assign faces to a vertex ground in edit mode if that's easier. Wireframe mode and circle or box select is good for getting small parts.

[merry ravine]

is there a offical rig we can use to build avatars upon?

[quiet shoal]

This made me give up on rigging.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965937446275657819/1102771736711286925/image.png

[brazen island]

@merry ravine not "official" but still.

theres also robot avatar in sdk

[merry ravine]

I'll try the robot thing in my next project

[modern ivy]

So I was curious, does location of eye bones in an armature (physical location, not hierarchy), barring how the effect transforms of the mesh that's weighted to them, matter at all?

For example, I have larger eye sockets and an iris I want to pan around in said socket. Anime style "hollow sclera" for a more furry face. However, to get the movement I want, right eye is very displaced to the left side of the head, with it visa versa for the other eye.

Will this cause issues for something such as hardware eye tracking? A test with vrchat's auto eye tracking saw no issues; the eyes focused on things as necessary, though I wish vrc eye tracking would focus on nothing sometimes, but I digress.

Tl:Dr; does the location of eye bones, physically, matter? For example, having right eye oriented to the left side of the armature and visa versa?

Images can come when I'm back at pc, if it's confusing.

[modern ivy]

A pic in question of how the head is set up. Note the Left and Right eye bones being opposite of the Eyes themselves.

Also enjoy that derp face; to get accurate movement I had to center them. lol

what I'm curious about is will this cause any issues? Aside from general confusion, I'd imagine, but I hope to alleviate that in some fashion.

Feel free to reply, no matter the time!

[dark fox]

boutta rig this mothafricka, any advice? im a beginner sooo

[dark fox]

was wondering if someone can weight paint the rig btw, i seriously cannot do it

dont got money rn soooo

[brazen island]

@dark fox mixamo

[dark fox]

wdym mixamo what do i do with mixamo its an animation thingy and im making an avatar

[brazen island]

it can autorig your model

[dark fox]

ah sick

[dark fox]

also how are gestures gonna work if it has no finger thingys

[rotund kraken]

you make fingers

[dark fox]

eh i can work with 0 gestures i think

how do i download the character off of mixamo again?

[dark fox]

nvm, figured it out lol

im just blind

why is my avatar huge and in 3rd person

[quaint cosmos]

Because you imported it too large and set the camera in the wrong spot, I'm guessing. For the scale, average human height is about the same as a default unity cube set to 1.7 on the y axis and you want to set your view position to be around where the eyes are.

[dark fox]

hm, where is the camera btw

[quaint cosmos]

That's what view position is, it determines where the camera is for your character.

[jolly dock]

This is a lot to ask, but could anyone with rigging experience please take a look at my blend file for an avatar I've been working on. The base body rigs just fine to the skeleton, but the clothing and accessories have been giving me a massive headache. I've rigged it myself, through mixamo, done remeshing, decimating, everything I know to do, and none of it has attached properly. Could anyone give me tips on what I can do?

[quaint cosmos]

The clothes work okay, there's just no armature modifier applied to them and the topology is bad so you're only going to be able to make them move so well. The hood and the cloak don't even have vertex groups. Did you put all of these objects into Mixamo? I'd just join them all and redo the rigging to simplify things.

[jolly dock]

yes those are steps that i've taken before. They weren't in the rig in that version of the file. How do you suggest I fix the topology?

[quaint cosmos]

SO what happened when you joined all the meshes an put them through Mixamo? They should all get rigged. As for the topology, you ideally want to have as many square faces as possible where you have a lot of slender faces on the body but mainly you want to have some additional loops around where the limbs bend to improve deformation. That's for the body, everything else has just been decimated so you'd have to start from scratch and use a clean grid structure to fix that.

[dark fox]

yo! so uh i cant look down or up with the camera on pc, should this problem be fixed on vr or is it just on pc?

[quaint cosmos]

It would be good to know if this is just with a certain avatar, a certain world, or VRChat in general. Only if it's that first one could it possibly be related to rigging but still probably not.

[dark fox]

certain avatar

[quaint cosmos]

So a certain avatar just completely removes your ability to rotate the camera? I have never seen such a thing, sorry. Sounds cursed.

[dark fox]

also i fixed it i was just using the camera, not the view position

[quaint cosmos]

I don't really understand but cool, glad you got it sorted.

[dark fox]

was using the camera that was in blender when i was modeling it, guess i forgot to remove it lol

maybe it was the camera that comes in unity when u import a model? idk really im newer to making models sooo

[quaint cosmos]

So the avatar was using that camera inside of VRChat? Doesn't matter if it worked.

[twin halo]

Heyo, I just fitted an asset to an avi and I when to take the asset to unity and it looks glitched. Certain angles make the mesh dissappear

Can anyone help?

[quaint cosmos]

Probably flipped normals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ib1SiNpGm4

[amber cosmos]

my avatar has all its bones rotated 90 degrees away from how i normally see it done. it came this way and it works fine unedited, so i assume the creator did it like that on purpose

is this gonna have consequences for editing the rigging?

how should i approach this?

[rotund kraken]

i would ask whoever u bought this from if this was intended

in my own experience its easier to edit/modify from a clean skeleton but im also noticing its triangulated

[amber cosmos]

this is as is direct from the download, ive done nothing to this yet

[rotund kraken]

from where

[amber cosmos]

booth

[rotund kraken]

O

[amber cosmos]

i think the solution is simple actually

thank you for making me doubt that this was intentional

because it's apparently a matter of import settings

i just figured the avatar maker was doing something on purpose i didnt understand

fixed! tysm!

[rotund kraken]

o sickk

what was it you changed? out of curiosity

[amber cosmos]

i clicked auto bone align when importing the fbx

[amber cosmos]

as it turns out it seems working with the model this way and then exporting the fbx causes problems, since the components on the original model assume everything's rotated 90 degrees. im sure theres a similar fix for importing things on unity's side

hmmm maybe not. i think i just messed something up with avatar i was working on. probably faster to start from scratch than try to go through and find whatever it was i did wrong

[reef coral]

i've had this issue a ton of times, it's something regarding importing

[golden dirge]

What would be considered the pelvis bone here

i'm struggling because we thought it was the bone used for the hip, which is the really small bone there but apparently not? because we changed it and we're still having the issue happen

[quaint cosmos]

That issue is just about the angle of the hip bone relative to the upper leg which a front view like this doesn't really illustrate, can you post a side view?

[golden dirge]

?

like this ?

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah. Hm, not sure. The angle looks pretty good to me, certainly not 88 degrees.

[silk slate]

is this normal deformation for the left arm bone

side note to that

how can i fix this

i dont know how to describe this lmao

its like the bits are moving too much

[silk slate]

so this mesh is a bit odd

the silver bits on that are square are on the hoodie

and the spikes are actually on the vest

[golden dirge]

oh

i found the issue

fsr unity thinks the feet bones are the thigh bones

what the hell

how the hell would i-- fix that

[silk slate]

even newer question

why are some of these stretching up

i just reweight painted it and averaged everything the same

[golden dirge]

fucked up weighting i would think

[silk slate]

i just redid the weighting

it doesnt make sense

[silk slate]

merge by distance helped enough

im not fucking with it anymore

[silk slate]

he got moves

[reef coral]

having a weird issue where i can't select any of the bones in pose mode from the viewport, only from the armature hierarchy
anyone knows why?

i'm on the right select mode

oh i just had to disable in front, figured it out

[amber cosmos]

i edited my avatar's fbx in blender and imported it to unity. when i use pumkin's avatar tools to copy over physbones from the old avatar, many (but not all) of the physbones are rotated 90 degrees (in a variety of directions) from where they should be.

i read online that this is a consequence of unity and blender using fundamentally different and incompatible coordinate systems. i also read that workarounds exist but i have not had success with them when i tried them.

https://forum.unity.com/threads/blender-fbx-export-wrong-bone-rotation-relative-to-its-amature.207851/

my guess is that i need to change a setting either when i import the fbx into blender or when i export it into unity. the models bones were rotatedly weirdly when i first imported the fbx into blender, and i used auto bone rotate to make them intelligible to me. i suspect i have to undo that now, if i can.

[rotund kraken]

this is no guarantee as a solution but these are my blender .fbx export INTO unity settings, haven't had a single physbone copy issue with pumpkins so far

but it might mess up current things on the avatar because it fixes the scale 100 problem and some things rely on scale to work properly. im forgetting what all that includes atm besides physbones

so make a prefab of the avatar in your current scene just to be safe/backup unity scene before you work with a version exported with these settings (if you do ofc)

just for the love of god dont unpack your avatar lmfao

[amber cosmos]

ty! ill give that a go

[steel sluice]

just move the bones in the hip til its happy

[hard night]

Looks good?

[worn spire]

how do I scale the bones down?

[pale pumice]

go in edit mode on the armature and resize them just like any other object in Blender

[amber cosmos]

i keep getting hip alignment errors and my avatar has a hip tilt but i have confirmed that the upper leg and the hip bones are all on the same plane with each other

[pale pumice]

really can't tell from the pic, can you show the whole armature?

[amber cosmos]

the bones are, apparently, supposed to be like that

[pale pumice]

huh first time I've seen that

[amber cosmos]

its apparently common in japanese models, which this is one of

[pale pumice]

which bones are those sticking out forward?

[amber cosmos]

they stick forward/back up/down depending on if it's left or right

maybe easier to see this way

[pale pumice]

I guess I'm not sure why you'd do that.

[amber cosmos]

neither am i

but i was told not to mess with it by someone more experienced than me

[pale pumice]

I'd go ask them about your hip alignment question then.

[amber cosmos]

fair enough

i can make the bones look normal with a ssetting importing the fbx in blender but then that breaks all the original physbones if use that fbx in unity

its a weird problem

[pale pumice]

Seems unnecessarily weird, but possibly there's a good reason.

[torpid burrow]

i cant find the free humanoid armature base

anyone know where ti is?

[brazen island]

@torpid burrow

[rotund kraken]

[hexed birch]

I’m trying to rig this avatar and the bones are fine but when I used automatic weights the model became deformed and enlarged

[quaint cosmos]

Maybe try applying all transforms before rigging? I feel like Mixamo is better than automatic weights, automatic weights are real bad. I guess it's a starting point but empty groups might be better than having to clean up the automatic weights.

[hexed birch]

How would I do that

[quaint cosmos]

Ctrl + A

[hexed birch]

Ok thx

[hexed birch]

how do i use mixamo for weight painting

i deleted the bones and used all transformations and then rigged it using mixamo but it's not working

[quaint cosmos]

How is it not working? Did it not export with the armature? Does the armature not move the mesh?

[hexed birch]

no

i clicked the mesh pressed ctrl a pressed all transformations then went to mixamo got it rigged went back to blender and used automatic weights and the model deforms and enlarges

[hexed birch]

no it does nothing

[rotund kraken]

you dont use auto weights at all

mixamo does the bulk of the work, you need to go in and clean it manually

[hexed birch]

what do i use to weight paint it?

so after i get it rigged i dont use anything?

this what it is just importing from mixamo

[quaint cosmos]

That looks about right, you have the toe vertex group selected so its showing you the toe weights

Mixamo is just a starting point but it seems to be working.

[hexed birch]

but when i move the bones the mesh doesn't follow

this is what it looks like when i move the bone

the mesh wont follow

[quaint cosmos]

Because you pose an armature in pose mode, not edit mode.

[hexed birch]

im so dumb

[agile summit]

Is there some downside to parent many small objects to an armature with automatic weights instead of joining the objects together first then parenting? It moves slightly better without joining it to one but not worth if there's some big downside

[kind shadow]

can someone help me with my avatar? I am having problems with the bones right now. (i am not giving out my files, we can get in a lil call or sum)

[rotund kraken]

post your problem in here, calling is basically private coaching

[kind shadow]

when i exported my model from blender into unity it ended up missing some of the bones and idk if i messed them up in blender, but in unity it seems like they are also weird

[sudden mango]

fellas, i come brand new to yall for help with an avatar. this mf has a chibi slider that basically shrinks it to size

but, since its the mesh that im shrinking and not the armature/bones, wonky stuff happens

question is, how do i create a toggle that shrinks the armature to fit the chibi size?

are there no shapekeys for armatures?

[hexed birch]

Question

[brazen island]

@sudden mango scaling armature in game without breaking tracking is challenging task and can be more or less succesfully done via gogoloco. your case not seems realisticly possible

[hexed birch]

This other model has this skeleton

An avatar maker I talked to said it’s normal but the bones need to be mapped

How do I do that

[sudden mango]

your case not seems realisticly possible
oh thank GOD finally someone who gives me a straight answer!! thank you for lifting that weight off my shoulders

thank u 💋 💋 i will now go make two different models

[reef surge]

import the model again, but make sure before you click "import" go to the armature settings in blender and click "automatic bone orientation"

this happens when the rig comes from a different app. in blender, naturally the bone length is aligned to the y axis. other programs may align to a different axis, which is why they're oriented wrong when you import them to blender. if you're curious about why this happens this video explains it really well :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKGXkE4nyU very interesting stuff!

[hexed birch]

Ok thanks 😁

[hexed birch]

is vrchat still using unity 2019.4.31

[subtle nebula]

what is the name of the mechanism people use to make mesh follow their rig at a different scale?

like the giant mecha hands that follow their avi's hands

[quaint cosmos]

Constraints?

[quaint cosmos]

Yes

[hexed birch]

thanks

[hexed birch]

My avatar work’s everything is fine but there is a problem with the hand

Idk if it’s because the hand is only controlled by one hand bone

Causing it to look deformed

[copper rover]

I am running into an issue where some physbone doesn't show up in the unity editor while some others do.

Breasts, Hair and Butt all work but Tummy and Thigh doesn't even show up in the editor after configuration.

What might be causing this issue?

[elfin stratus]

You can avatar rig still?

Dam

I havent played this in a while sorry

[hexed birch]

I also need the left hand to have the hand bones not move the barrel of the blaster

[quaint cosmos]

Probably has to do with the weights, do you know how to adjust weights? Mixamo is really designed for humanoids and even then it isn't perfect so if you're making something that isn't very close to a human, it will need some manual adjustment.

[hexed birch]

Ok I looked at the bones and the hand bone is only one bone

It’s not separated for 5 fingers only 1 for all 5

[quaint cosmos]

I don't think it's necessary to assign finger bones. How does it move in Blender?

[hexed birch]

It moves fine but I’m game the hand stays like this

It’ll go into a fist but won’t be a normal hand

[quaint cosmos]

If you want a working hand, you'll need to rig and weight it. Sometimes Mixamo can kind of do that (though it rarely does a very good job) but I think the hand asymmetry threw it off.

[hexed birch]

The model for the hand was fine until mixamo

[quaint cosmos]

If you reset all of the bone poses, it doesn't return to how it looked originally?

[hexed birch]

Nope

[quaint cosmos]

You selected all the bones and did Alt + G, Alt + R, Alt + S?

Rigging shouldn't change the model itself so if there is no pose applied, it should be the same as it went in.

[hexed birch]

So I select all the bones and then press all of the keys

[hexed birch]

are those different buttons or do I press them in a certain order

[quaint cosmos]

You press the alt with the one other key, sequence doesn't matter

[hexed birch]

I pressed that and it flipped the model on its back and enlarged it

[hexed birch]

Is it possible I can screen share it to you

Cause I’m confused

This is what it looks like

Also the alt g , alt r, and alt s did nothing

[quaint cosmos]

So did it flip it and enlarge it or did it do nothing? I'm getting mixed messages. Did you ensure all the bones were selected?

[hexed birch]

So I did it twice in object mode it flipped and enlarged and in edit mode it did nothing

And yes all bones were selected

[quaint cosmos]

Well posing is done in pose mode so did you do it in pose mode?

[hexed birch]

No

[hexed birch]

So just select all the bones or do I include the mesh

[quaint cosmos]

You're not posing the mesh, you select the armature, go into pose mode, select all the bones and then reset

[hexed birch]

It looks fixed

It didn’t work

I exported the model and the mesh still broke

[quaint cosmos]

Words like broke are not very helpful, you need to describe what occurred

[hexed birch]

The hand is still like this

[quaint cosmos]

And it isn't like that in Blender? Unity can do weird stuff if your fingers aren't imported as completely flat and parallel so you'll need to go into the rig configuration and adjust that.

[hexed birch]

It is like that in blender

That’s where the pic is from

[hexed birch]

These are the hand bones

[quaint cosmos]

But wait, you said you didn't even have proper finger bones so of course it won't look good. If you don't want to rig the hand properly, I would just delete any other bones aside from the base hand bone and then weight the whole hand to that. Resetting the pose was just to get it back to its unposed position. Mixamo is just a starting point especially a model like this that doesn't have a normal hand on one side.

If you want a functioning hand, you're just going to have to rig that part by hand.

[hexed birch]

So delete the hand bones except the base

Then paint that one bone to the entire hand

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah. The hand won't be able to do anything but it should look better.

Do the same on both sides since the other hand doesn't even have fingers to begin with

[hexed birch]

Ok thx

If I can, can I privately message you if I need help

[quaint cosmos]

Private messaging doesn't make me help you any faster, I'm around here when I'm available to be, it just means no one else can help you.

[hexed birch]

K I only said that so that I’m not filling this channel up

[quaint cosmos]

This is what this channel is for

[hexed birch]

Ok thx

When I weight paint is the mesh supposed to mess up

[quaint cosmos]

Mess up is another one of those words with little actual value, post what it's doing.

[hexed birch]

My bad

[quaint cosmos]

Looks pretty normal, just be careful in making sure you weight the whole hand to the hand bone and you'll also want to check other bones to make sure they have to weights on the hands they shouldn't.

[hexed birch]

I’m weight painting the base hand bone to the hands because when I deleted the other hand bones it stretched out and made a weird pose thing

And I checked the weight painting the only ones with connections to hands were the hand bones

[quaint cosmos]

You'll also want to delete the vertex groups of the bones you deleted to ensure there are no empty weights

Otherwise if the hand is fully red on the hand vertex group, it should move with the hand only

[sullen quarry]

would you mind pointing me in a direction to learn more about this? blender constraints or in unity?

[quaint cosmos]

Not really my specialty but I think it's kind of both. You can't transfer constraints directly from Blender to Unity but you use the Unity constraints to get the same effect that you're getting in Blender. The most I could do beyond that is search for Blender and Unity constraints videos on Youtube.

[sullen quarry]

sweet, i'll head to youtube then, thanks 🙂

[hexed birch]

Before I finish should I delete the hand bones and then continue painting or just paint the base hand on the hands red and then delete?

Also it keepers doing this

[quaint cosmos]

It shouldn't matter, what matters is what the weights are in the groups so as long as the end result is the hand bone having full weight over the hand and no other bones having any influence, it shouldn't matter.

[quaint cosmos]

That point down there is just a point that needs to be weighted to the hand so paint it and it should spring up.

[hexed birch]

Ok

Is it fine if there like a tiny bit of light blue for the deleted bones

[quaint cosmos]

It's not great. Another way you can assign weights is using edit mode. If you're in edit mode and look at your vertex groups, there's an assign and a remove button, select all the faces in edit mode and hit remove to remove them from the group, though deleting the group entirely will also do thos.

[hexed birch]

Is this what you mean by faces

[hexed birch]

So I selected these and pressed the vertex groups and clicked on the bones I deleted and pressed remove

But the blue on the stretched out part is still there

[quaint cosmos]

And did you paint it to the hand bone?

[hexed birch]

I may have misinterpreted what you said

[hexed birch]

So far 2 out of the 3 bones are full purple

I’m starting the last one

Painting

[quaint cosmos]

Only the one hand bone should have any weights, the rest should be dark blue or deleted entirely. Might as well just delete them if they aren't going to have any weights.

[hexed birch]

I deleted the bones

I’m just painting them dark blue and then I’m gonna make the base hand bone red right?

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah but you can just delete the extra vertex groups after deleting the bones, no need to paint them.

[hexed birch]

How do I delete them

[quaint cosmos]

The minus button the on right while they're selected.

[hexed birch]

Then I have to manually paint the hand red for the base hand bone right?

[quaint cosmos]

Or just select all the vertices in edit mode and assign them the same way you remove them, being in wireframe mode can help.

[hexed birch]

So select the right hand in vertex groups then select the faces and then press assign

Then repeat for the left hand

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, just make sure you're assigning the right vertices to the right hand.

[hexed birch]

And I do that by pressing assign right

[quaint cosmos]

Yup

[hexed birch]

Ok

This good

[quaint cosmos]

So long as there aren't any other bones with weights on the hand, it should be, yeah.

[hexed birch]

Thx a lot

Also one quick question on something else

I merged these two models together but the texture for shockwave turns black

[hexed birch]

Do you know if this can be fixed in unity

[quaint cosmos]

I don't know if it can be fixed in Unity if it's already been applied. The issue there is you need to make sure their UV sets have the same name before joining.

[hexed birch]

How would I do that

Or actually instead of combining them could I just put the backpack on his back and then import it into unity like that?

[quaint cosmos]

Same menu as the vertex groups, there's a tab called UV maps. You can change the name there. The name doesn't matter, just that it's the same on both models.

[quaint cosmos]

Depending on how many meshes there are, it will lower your avatars performance rank so joining is better when you can but yes, you can export multiple models.

[hexed birch]

Actually to make it easier I’ll just make it a toggle

[quaint cosmos]

If you're toggling a mesh on and off then yeah, they should be separate. There are other ways to hide parts of a mesh but that's that easiest option.

[hexed birch]

Also if I need help making it a prefab because a yt vid I watched didn’t go over it since they already had it as a prefab

[quaint cosmos]

You can just drag an object from the hierarchy to the project tab at the bottom to make it a prefab but I don't know why that would be necessary to making a toggle.

[hexed birch]

No I mean for the avatar

Like the shockwave model

[quaint cosmos]

What are you trying to achieve and why do you think it requires a prefab?

[hexed birch]

Cause this is the updated model I’m making. The last time I uploaded it was for the test avatar and it said it need a prefab

[quaint cosmos]

You don't need any prefabs to make avatars unless there's something specific you're trying to do

[hexed birch]

What would that specific thing be?

[quaint cosmos]

Prefabs are just away of packaging a bunch of stuff, models, textures, particle systems, scripts, so if you have something that maybe has a gun model with a particle system attached to it, it would make sense for that to come as a prefab but once you get it in your scene, you can unpack it (turn it from a prefab to just regular parented objects) and it will work the same.

[hexed birch]

Ah ok

Can I get your vrc username so I can add you into the description

[quaint cosmos]

Don't worry about it, if you're so inclined, just use Krampus

[fading verge]

pls help me

[signal thistle]

no

jk kiding

[golden sandal]

uh when i go to upload it it says it doesnt have a chest in the armature am i just being a goofy goober or did i delete a bone or smth wrong?

[quaint cosmos]

Is it assigned in rig configuration? Though if you have an upper chest which it looks like you do, the limbs should be parented to that.

[thin jay]

My model is standing like this, how can i fix it?

[quaint cosmos]

Did you set the rig type to humanoid?

[thin jay]

Yeah i did

[quaint cosmos]

Does it move properly in Blender?

[compact anchor]

i'm messing with an mmd model to use it in vrchat and i was wondering if these yellow groups serve a purpose if i were to move it over to blender once im done fixing it up in .pmx editor??

i haven't used pmx at all and have no idea what the blender equivalent would be ☠️☠️☠️

[formal arrow]

for some reason when i port it into unity the shoulders just dont work at all, is there something wrong with the shoulders?

[compact anchor]

doncha need to attach each joint to one another?

so the ends of the shoulders should attach to the top of the arms

especially considering the torso is most likely static lmao so there would be nothing to move under there

[hexed birch]

would this be causing this

[hexed birch]

Anybody

[surreal anvil]

They look like physics colliders (similar setup and function to how you would setup an avatar back when dynamic bones was a thing). I don't think that they can copy over into Blender though (it's been quite a while since I've last used a .pmx model so that might have changed)

The Blender "equivalent" (different method, same function) would be if the object itself had setup for physics applied instead of the armature.

I could've sworn this server used to have an MMD-focused channel, I guess they deleted it

Or archived it

[spare onyx]

hello everyone, just a small question, does an eyebone need to be parented to any other bone in specific?

[fervent mantle]

I mean the head would be a good place to parent it

[spare onyx]

thank you, much appreciated,

for the thing i'm working on though, they are cyclops in nature, would that just be named "eye"? and it would work okay?

[pale pumice]

Doesn't really matter what it's named, you could put it in the left (or right) eye slot and have VRChat handle it reasonably ok

[hexed birch]

Could anyone help me

[wet scaffold]

How do u make them

😅

[hexed birch]

Hey krampus I need help

[hexed birch]

Or anybody please

[pale pumice]

Just state your actual problem

[hexed birch]

I need to know how I can fix this

That’s it in game and in blender

The pinky and ring finger are deformed

[hexed birch]

Anybody

[wet scaffold]

I don't even know how to make it💀

[hexed birch]

Make what?

[hexed birch]

Meanwhile

[reef surge]

check any of your other vertex groups to see if they have weights on those fingers when they shouldn't. otherwise idk man you might just have to do some research yourself

[hexed birch]

i noticed this while in blender

the pinky 1 bone has a lot of red right there

but on the ring and other fingers its either little red or little orange

its the same with the accesories

pinky has red

while others are light blue

[rotund kraken]

find a model thats already rigged so you can look at the finger weights

[fading verge]

Is it necessary for the upper and lower leg bones to be perfectly vertical, or is it okay if they are a bit angled inward from hips downward?

For example...

Also, if it is okay, is it still okay with FBT

[wet scaffold]

avatars

I got it now dw

[hexed birch]

Nice

[wet scaffold]

oke

u rlly good btw

[tame burrow]

Anybody know how to fix this?

This is the second or third time I've come across this in this project.

Everything is mapped but VRChat insists that it's not.

[tame burrow]

Ok so it turns out it's a weird issue where if elements in a prefab are renamed then made a variant the SDK seems to still refer internally to the original names.

Might file a bug report on this. :x

[fading verge]

https://youtu.be/FOrVqDhQs-E

[hexed birch]

anybody know how to reparent objects

[pale pumice]

in.... blender? unity?

[hexed birch]

@kindred rover

[hexed birch]

i need to fix this

[pale pumice]

perhaps you can explain what you want to do?

[hexed birch]

so in unit it says my spine bone = 0

[turbid dagger]

Honestly when I get “spine bone length = 0” it doesn’t cause many issues for me

[dusty helm]

question, would there be a way to rig this into vrc without it looking bad

like in terms of the head cause there's no body

[quaint cosmos]

Certainly using a custom animation set but that's a fair amount of work. I'm not sure it will ever look great with a humanoid rig.

[strong spruce]

I feel like this is an easy fix thru multiple ways (OVR being one, but I'd rather fix the model) but my latest upload is stuck on her tip toes while seated and floating a bit in standing. I think I messed up when editing in blender -> unity export but I'm not sure how to identify the issue I need to fix, if anyone can help.

I'm going to dissolve toe bones and make sure the model is at 0 0 0 in blender.

[strong spruce]

I went back to blender to do the things but I noticed this in unity when I select the body. Could this be where my issue is ?

Oh I've done goofed something up

🤨

[strong spruce]

I solved the issue eventually. I had to clear the cache on the quest 2 guardian

[hard spruce]

heyo, sorry to bothr, but i found a vatar that has no rigging. i know next to nothing about blender/unity. Am i going to hate life if i try to mess with it?

[quaint cosmos]

To get a decent results on a pretty standard humanoid, you can just put them into Mixamo.com and then watch any video on publishing a VRChat avatar. To get good results, you might need to spend 2-3 hours learning the fundamentals of how to use and navigate Blender and then another 30 minutes to an hour learning about weighting. If you need to add lip syncing and blinks maybe add another couple hours on top of that.

[hard spruce]

that sounds horrible. Now i have existing models. is there a way to copy and paste? or does it have to be redone step by step since the models are not the same size/shape? both humanoid in deisng, just not the same size.

[tiny coyote]

go into pose mode and test it out so you can see how it bends.. you can also weight paint it while it's posed to see how it changes. But yeah @rotund kraken is super right, getting reference to see how its supposed to look helps a LOT too. great idea

[rotund kraken]

[tiny coyote]

but looking up tutorials on weight painting should help

[tiny coyote]

OH also, PLZ listen to Krampus and use Mixamo

you can upload any model

it will auto rig it for you

[quaint cosmos]

Pretty much. You can transfer weights if the models are very similar in shape but even then, unless they're nearly identical, you'll likely get better results from Mixamo autorigging.

[tiny coyote]

all you gotta do is make an adobe account, upload a model, specifiy the wrists, knees, head and groin and hit go. then download

[quaint cosmos]

There isn't much fixing that generally needs to be done with humanoids after Mixamo but if you have 0 Blender experience, there is a learning curve.

[tiny coyote]

easiest rigging imo

[rotund kraken]

i refuse to rig humanoids from scratch (unless its hair, jewelry etc) when i could just fix it

[tiny coyote]

oh yeah, but it also only works with basic humanoid forms

so no tail, wings etc

[rotund kraken]

i rename the bones though because they changed how its named for some reason

[tiny coyote]

yeah, I can't rig well from scratch, but I can weight paint 🤣

[tiny coyote]

samee, I hate their naming convention. But changing names manually sucks. I should look for a renaming script :p

[rotund kraken]

#avatar-rigging message lul

[quaint cosmos]

Basic rigging isn't all that complicated, it's the advanced stuff with IK and constraints that gets complex but VRChat can't use more of that stuff directly anyway and if you want it for animations in Blender, there's always Rigify.

[tiny coyote]

to be fair, that's the hard part, but yehhhh

[rotund kraken]

oh god yeah thatd be helpful, if you find one post it here lol

[quaint cosmos]

I use Auto-Rig Pro, actually instead of Mixamo but you gotta buy that and Mixamo does a decent job.

[tiny coyote]

@rotund kraken oh woah, I just looked it up, looks like someone beat me to it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr9OXtdriHY
https://github.com/MinaPecheux/BlenderPlugins

Haven't tried it yet, dunno if you can make custom names. seems like it's just for adapting to blenders default rig naming convention

[rotund kraken]

well default is better than having to look at the word Mixamo 67x times lol, thanks :O

[hard spruce]

Omg yall are making my head hurt nut I think I'm following

[quaint cosmos]

Just start by uploading it to Mixamo.com. The results might be good enough depending on what you're doing, we still haven't see the model.

[viscid warren]

why does my avatars entire body move up when i look down

hang on ill show

[quaint cosmos]

View position, probably too low (or too high)

[fading verge]

Alright so I have a really big problem lol

I've gotten all the way to the export stage and ended up getting the "Humanoid avatar must have head, hands, and feet bones mapped."
"Your avatar is humanoid, but its feet aren't specified!"
and "Your avatar is humanoid, but its upper arms aren't specified!" trifecta

I've scrambled around on forums from six years ago and found the most likely issue is that my "Armature" package info got renamed to something along the lines of "Armature.001" and so it's now looking for a name that doesn't exist

Like is there any way at all I can fix this without scrapping everything I've done? I've spend days learning unity on this project lmao I'd like to not lose it

I'm gonna copy paste this into all support channels, btw, to try and get a fix as soon as possible

[fading verge]

its cool, I got a fix

turns out a tutorial I followed gave me wrong directions for setting up mono lighting

thank you though!

[north fern]

Hey! Not sure if this is the best place to post, does anyone know of a plugin that I can use on Unity to test my avatar riggivng? I sometimes have problems with the knees bending inwards but no way of testing it in VRC without headset (and it's a lot of effort to get the headset), the knees will look fine on standed/crouching/crawling but it's the inbetweens that cause some issues. Just would prefer to be able to test it on PC VRC or Unity, even Blender to save some time. 🙂

[fading verge]

help request
due to rules i will stand by and upheld i wont disclose more here, dm open

long story short i did a commission for a avi to edit on vrc tradders and several other discords, even spoke to some avatar creators.
it seems no one knows how to do this, theres one video ive found but nobody can seem to do it.

ones that have done it, i ask for help even offered compensation for helping me and importing it. but they declined.

if ur a god in blender plz dm me and ill showcase my problem and hopefully ud be able to help, if u manage to fix it, i suppose that makes u better then most creators lol

if u know any creators that can help and can guide me to them, id apprecate that as well ❤️

[rotund kraken]

inb4 its some adult rigging or something

[rotund kraken]

just be careful about scammers, theyll see this as an opportunity to take advantage of

[fading verge]

Honestly no one seems to care.

[rotund kraken]

well it has been like an hour or so since posting and its a holiday lol

[fading verge]

Ive been at this for two months

[rotund kraken]

okay?

like i said, its late and a holiday. someone might dm you tomorrow

[fading verge]

By then the request would just be buried

Its okay ill keep trying

[rotund kraken]

not really, people scroll

[fading verge]

Message more selfish creators

Only to be denied even tho i wave money in there faces

[rotund kraken]

ah yeah i was gonna say im curious to help but if thats your attitude ill pass

[fading verge]

Lol

Ok

Attitude?

Im the nicest person you'll ever meet but ok

[rotund kraken]

"attitude?" instantly leaves server after realizing they're not going to get an answer .5 milliseconds after posting 🤦‍♀️

[fervent mantle]

What are you trying to accomplish in blender

[stark knoll]

I saw this.. ridiculous 💀

[fervent hornet]

Why was he so vague hahaha its just rigging it ain't rocket science

[brisk nova]

I can only try to guess what sort of rigging is against the rules

[fervent hornet]

Oh that's totally fair I didn't think of it like that

Skill barrier 😔

[rotund kraken]

funny too bc i had the message offering my help typed in the tray but i rescinded as soon as i saw the "message more selfish creators"

gatekeeping is stupid but automatically generalizing because your weird adult issue cant be fixed, naw man

[pseudo cipher]

Hey, sorry for the cursed but i've had this issue with a few of my avi where the hands would be flipped (looks normal to me but other sees it like that)

[balmy delta]

I met that person in game before
They went ballistic and blocked everyone for being "too stuck up" or "too money hungry" cause the people didnt want to help because of this attitude

Everyone is selfish cause they either want money for commissions or assumes every pc player is a blender god that are too much of pricks to help

By their logic

I assumed they stopped after the few month but guess not

[rotund kraken]

yeah weird, thats definitely not every pc player lmao.

[balmy delta]

Like

[rotund kraken]

i wasn't against helping them either privately but you'd think two months you'd get some sort of answers

and humility

[balmy delta]

They trying to get a private teacher to teach them blender for free lmao

Legit screamed the last time they went ballistic "I dont want a commission cause they are selfish and want a lot of money"

[rotund kraken]

i dont mind full walkthroughs every once n a while but its wild to expect an instantaneous response on july 4th at 10pm-ish western

[balmy delta]

No no no

They expect you to just drop everything and teach them the millisecond they appear

[tribal pagoda]

Without telling you what your even supposed to teach them in the first place

[balmy delta]

Yes

The not vaguest response I got was

"Teach me how to make an avatar"

Like the bitch aint even make the blender donut yet and expects to be able to model, rig, texture, and animate a pro level avatar in a day

And expects to be taught for completely free and directly when you ask

I literally mentioned a friend I knew that used blender and they demanded I get them there now and when I said they werent on they then demanded I give them his info so they can message him

[weak flare]

how do i set the avatars height correctly cause im having a not long enough arm problem with my avatar? is this a thing to fix in blender unity or vrchat?

[balmy delta]

avatar height?

like

is your legs bent or floating?

or is your arms just max stretched before you actually max stretch your own arms

[weak flare]

my arms and legs are like locking like there not long enough

[balmy delta]

locking?

[weak flare]

like when i extend my arm it kinda locks the joint

my real life arm is like longer then the avatars arm

[balmy delta]

oh

your avatar is stubby then

[tribal pagoda]

I mean, you might be able to mitigate the issue if you mess with VRChat's IK settings. But for it to work optimially, your avatar would need human sized limbs.

[balmy delta]

^

[weak flare]

it does have human size things its just my arms arnt long enough

do i extend them in blender or unity some how

[tribal pagoda]

Then try VRChat's settings menu first, there's a bunch of arm scaling options.

[weak flare]

and how do i know when its right

oo

ok

i shall try this thanks

[tribal pagoda]

One thing that I did on one of my avatars, was that I moved my viewpoint slightly further back, and that also helped my issue, but that might not be your problem.

[weak flare]

like back in the head more?

[tribal pagoda]

Yeah. But my problem was that my viewpoint was too far forward, like if I looked down, I could only really see below the waist, and not my chest.

If you move it too far back, you might get the opposite problem, where you can see through your neck instead.

[weak flare]

ive seen the view point like effects your arms weird

ill give it a try

thanks for the helps

[tribal pagoda]

Ye. And if you can't get it perfect, remember that other people might not even notice it anyway.

[weak flare]

yeah its just a thing that bugs me

[weak flare]

also one other question so when im using the avatar in vrchat the collar bone or shoulder bone goes down more then i want it to is there a way to rotate that bone in unity and have it stay so when my arms are down they dont look weird?

ive tryed to rotate the bone in the bone view thign then appy then done but it dosent stay

[tribal pagoda]

I can't really say, I've never had to fix anything like that.

[balmy delta]

that would be

the avatar rigging in unity

also you cant really just rotate the bones

[weak flare]

i cant make it not move as much on a single bone?

[balmy delta]

not really no

[weak flare]

wish unity was more like blender you can do this in blender

[balmy delta]

well you cant exactly just edit the rig in unity like blender

[weak flare]

yeah

[balmy delta]

it just sounds like your shoulders are too close to the middle of the avatar

causing it to look weird when they rotate

[weak flare]

in blender it looks good when moving them

but vrchat is moving the collar bones to much down

is the mapping for unity just to see rotations and to set bones and nothign elts?

[balmy delta]

rigging in unity is just telling unity that these bones are these for humanoid

[weak flare]

ah ok

its same with the finger bones they rotate to far in to the hand when grippign theres no way to set a maximum rotation for individual bones in unity?

and if theres not do you think setting it in blender would transfer that over to unity

[balmy delta]

pose yes but as for the whole rigging

you just enforce tpose

then rotate the bones after

and just ignore if unity yells at you that its not in tpose

[weak flare]

but when clicking done it dosent do anythign to the avatar

its just back in a tpose in the scene veiw

[balmy delta]

well it isnt going to change it in the scene view

the scene is a completely seperate entity

[weak flare]

what about game veiw wont show there to?

[balmy delta]

the rigging

is completely seperate

it wont show any changes in anything at all

[weak flare]

only in vrchat?

[balmy delta]

yes

[weak flare]

unity makes things hard lol

[balmy delta]

think of it like

[weak flare]

u gotta guess

[balmy delta]

changing the pose in blender

and then when you go to edit the mesh or armature

it snaps into tpose

[weak flare]

changing the pose in unity is like changing the rest pose in blender?

[balmy delta]

[weak flare]

yeah i get it

im just tryign to understand if changing the pose in unity does anythign to the avatar in vrchat

[balmy delta]

in the scene view

which the game view is just a camera locked scene view

doesnt change anything

now the rigging

does

[weak flare]

i thought game veiw is sopposed to see what its like in the game

[balmy delta]

only physbones and lighting

[weak flare]

oo

[balmy delta]

cause all game view does

well

game view itself

is just a camera locked pov

while entering game mode

or clicking play

whichever you want to call it

just lets stuff like physbones move

[weak flare]

is there a extention window i can put that shows me what it would look like in vrchat?

[balmy delta]

and shows the actual lighting in the scene

[balmy delta]

the only extension is the one that lets you test the toggles on expression menu

[weak flare]

yeah i used that one

[balmy delta]

thats it

the only other thing you can do

is play the desktop animations

or just rotate the arm bones

[weak flare]

ok

ill give it a try

thanks for the helps

[tawdry lagoon]

why wont it auto weight paint?