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Sometimes I dream about cheese
:|
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Well it's clearly an uncommon thing anyways
I've seen someone irl have messed up potassium levels and yes, it does result in going to the ER
Doesn't make it any less important 🤷
Anyways sorry about that, just ticked me off a little bit
👌
Reminds me that you have to eat a lot of bananas to get radiation poisoning
Same thing, just too much instead of too little
Well from what I can read it's impossible to die from bananas because you'd need to eat 10 million at once to die from radiation apparently
Very cool stuff
Your stomach will burst and you'll die of sepsis long before radiation will even start to have any notable effects
True
Well i mean probably still not enough to kill me
My insides went boom once already i can survive it again surely
Burst stomach with no medical attention = certain death.
and a long and painful one at that
Nah I healed from that once
I am too strong for this world so they had to nerf me by making appendix kaboom
Real life bug fixing
I'm jealous of the kids and their large CRT

was wondering why materials wernt showing in blender >wasnt rendering for materials
I ran into the owner of a discord I'm on in the Wild on tiktok https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeTT9eAu/
i like the cold >:(
you can at least bundle up and stay warm in the cold but when its hot you cant escape
FART
Xeno wishes you a Happy Pride Month!
Uh oh
I still don’t understand how I got the $40 borderlands dlc free and never bought it
Nice
@devout cloud borderlands 1 or 2?
1
dunno then
I got standard edition and got all the dlc for free some how
at one point when BL3 was releasing, BL2 was on sale for $2 for the full game and all dlc's
I’m talking about Xbox 360 version
oh i dunno then
So they way I found out I had the dlc for free is I tried to go to a dlc for lols and it worked
@hushed crown I don’t think that was ever a thing
I’m pretty sure that was just some rumor someone made up to spread fear
I’m 100% positive
Even if someone does hack webcams/vr headset cams….. that’s not happening over vrc or anything related to vrc
No clue where u heard that from…. But it’s simply false
Wigma Balls
@worn walrus ur about 2 years late to that trend my guy
Did I ask
@worn walrus yes
Ok
@hushed crown most rumors r spread to cause fear, so ur safe
I heard a rumor if you eat runny eggs with tamales you are going to have a good time.
Sega Genesis ass headset
Dam bro, that’s a one of a kind
@hushed crown have fun
Hi
Low
Medium
🤔
Hi Lemon
Perhaps
This woman is insane and this man will not leace
Lemowon
Say that again you coward.
Lemowon

Is that how minecraft works?
I was just given coke. Well okat
uhh..
please tell me you're talking about the drink
I don’t think she is...
are you talking about the drink
Ah it's shitpost hour 

Is it the drink?
hi
gm svel
Hi Svel
Poop
Sup Donra
Monke
Hihi
Damn i found a guy at the bus stop with the same shirt as me lmao
Great minds think alike
did u take a pic
did you stab him and grab the shirt to show dominance ?
Stab him with what
Ok no I'm original i have more white in my shirt
A popsicle 😳
I have 25% battery will my phone survive today
I don't fit in the bus
My knee is hitting the front seat
Get an Anker battery pack. Those things are awesome
Hard boiled Donra
I had too much monster
Gutentag
what's crackin 
I should've eaten some food
My boneez
same!
Either I'm getting old, or it's getting cold.
Or maybe its all the poprocks i ate yesterday
idk
Haha old fart
:(
Haha I'm not playing the game it won't hurt me!
Yes you do
You're..okay
My phone's at 14%
68
You know when you are constantly around younger people your body just refuses to act young
invest in a thin portable battery pack. best purchase of my life when i used to not wfh
I'm yet to find a phone that will last at least entire day of usage
Mine can last 2/3 days
pixel 3a
The weather is making me use full brightness though so it goes down faster now
i charge it every 2 or 3 days
What are your thoughts on the "next generation haptic suits"?
too expensive and too gimmicky for the general public
just like how vr was at first

mm not the ones that are available now. What's next? apart from using the erm actuators
Duck duck goose 
ok guys, tomorrow is the 3080ti launch (its overpriced, i know), should i give it a try or just suck it up and wait for RTX4000? (im already slightly annoyed by all that crap)
give up
silicon is still missing for everything
cars aren't being produced either because of the shortage
same for GPUs
My...
He didn't know I was me... what
I can't find the entrance to the school but atleast i found a nice view
I'm just upset @-@
Y tho
Trulys are gross

trulys ?
A drink

sounds good
I'm so mad and I don't even get ti be mad

sounds like bipolar
gweiss
yo
Have you ever though that if you water water it grows?
It expands
It doesn't grow
how do you make your carbonara
But it gets bigger. Growing is getting bigger.
Whenever this person decides to log on and reply I guess 🙄 wanna tell them to just block me and screw off
boil pasta as normal (or make it yourself if you have time
fry ham in tiny cuts in butter
add finished pasta
add egg yolks and a tiny bit of heavy cream
stir to mix it in, top with parmesan and serve

But it's a liquid and not a organism
Organism when they get bigger grow
Fluid when it gets bigger has expanded
I'm really pissed you pinged me for that especially since I'm already mad that someone isn't getting back to me.
Np
purring on me while i work
Shmol hand heater
she is super warm
she slept behind my PC
and they both learned to use the litterbox now so no more concerns about that
You may have a point
Daddy svel taught by example
Meeting people on VR and seeing how they actually are in dm is funny af 💀😭

Top comedy

Wanna hear what happened?
You haven't done it with your cat? 
i'll be honest, I don't give a single fuck
I mean responding showed you gave 0.01% of a fuck. 
@dusty basin
Mm monke
Yus
monke
Hello
Hello
Wow
They failed
Indeed
Pea caught the scam
So i owe him big time
Thank you @lusty spruce
Jesus
I am not a people person at all
Lol
i will play ark in vrchat for major flex
I play vrchat its the only way i can cuddle my friends from out of my state
I actually have most of my Vrchat friends on discord
They gonna watch me play ark XD
Samez
ow
I like how if you post a pick of your avatars ass it blows up on social media
Ye
Fuckin Simps
It’s stupid
simp is a life style
I wanna post a pic of me and the meme gang, but a girl with little clothes gets more attention
is just appreciation of the human body expressed in 3d modeling
Fuckin weirdos
It is
I mean, is beautiful.
The booty is nice
the overall is nice
It do be nice
But you should see ny friends message
first thing i saw was the hair doe, and how there is a direction of the hair to the booty
I wanna see XD
XD
OOF XD
Im kinda scared
run
I dont wanna be touched
This is why I use monster related avatars
run
Some people are into that
I mean, my friend potato some girl wanted to touch his nipples yesterday
Use a monster girl avatar and your screwed
people are into anything and vrchat exposes it all
I know, I use like non human related monster stuff
i am disgusted by the sexualized loli avatars... and comes from one that uses loli avatars ...
I saw a loli in a thong
I never wanna see that again
It was a kanna kamui too
How dare they do that to kanna
👀
Aren’t loli’s supposed to be cute?
supposed to
Like bitch im literally wearing a dragon maid hat
supposed to... but humans (men) love to sexualized everything...
learn how to texture paint ass
get simps
looks like a child, acts like a child, speaks like a child... what is it?
A fuckin child
ding ding ding
I count as a gorilla then XD
I take it you don't know the origin of the term "loli" ?
is loli under 13 or under 18
I think lolis are under 13
5’0-5’1
I have been walking around as an ark character, and people don’t mind me XD
Thats a loli
Wow

So the loli police department is a bunch of 5-year olds XD
Lol
lol
Time to beat some kids

Ello svel
Technically, it would be counted as child abuse
loli lovers are disgusting
Ye
I hope that was an assumed mutal agreement
This is why I prefer kaiju
Burn baby burn
^^^
define loli lover. cuz i like the avatar to be one, not to be with one xD
Youd do the nasty with a kaiju?
whats a kaiju
Literally what is sounded like
To be kaiju
Giant monster
Ye
Because your a giant monster, no ones gonna bother you
I once saw a Godzilla avatar with a big 🍆 ... i dont wanna know what they do in their free time
WHY
I never wanna hear that again
18+ furry commissioners
I'm finally back
yep... must die
welcome back
You came back at the wrong time
does anyone know any blender tools that make making clothing easier
agree
If Godzilla was based off the t.Rex it would have a 200 foot long one
OOOOOOOF
scientifically accurate strikes
Here’s eyebleach
question is... Is Godzilla male or female? or asexual?
Didnt godzilla have a child tho
Nope
it had a child
It did
He adopted one
Godzilla jr
Ye, he adopted one
there was once a movie (that nobody should talk about it) was a female and put eggs in the middle of the city
That’s Godzilla 1998 XD
u had to...
nice
Of course its ugly
minilla is a cute abomination
I wanna see gorrosaurus in singular point
The poor human to do it with godzilla pfft
A more realistic approach
Barf
I mean just look a this... u wanna eaither hug it or burn it
Stop talking about godzilla sex you horny fuckers
no
I wanna burn it
🔥
i want an avatar of minilla now...
Donra can i burn minilla?
Final wars
You can burn it
Donra called us horny for talking about Godzilla XD
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bab
Buurrrrrnnnn
The first one is ugly
The second is cute
yeah the second one is cute
Id slap minilla over my knee
Anyways I saw worlds biggest fucking engine I've seen with a massive fucking turbo inside of a school
See how daddy godzilla feels
And they had a sim room
I just really do not know what came into their heads to consider this right....
Ye, having to take care of this little ugly thing
ET
They got the inspiration from this perhaps...
XD
omg XD
Where’s master splinter!?
Hello there
Spidwr
oh shit a rat
Big legs
spiders are cute, as long as they keep their distance
Lemme try going on the ceilinh
agree
If i was on your ceiling would you squash me aswell🤡
whats the rule
If you're a spider yes
What if i was dressed like one
If they stop touching the ceiling they're getting smacked
34
Noki spider cosplay 
what

Donra vs spider
The spider is me
xDDD
is this like some weird way of flirting
could be... the way the world is evolving everything is possible
An uwu spider?
They exist
That is me indeed
Is that a good thing


Kinky👀
there is more to this owo language thsn just the w replacements
Dont ruin my life -_-
*wuin
What is going on here 
Me being a dumbass
Lol
:smug:
Why jk your correct
In the end yes
minecraft end
But you are not learning on your fails!
Lol
And I will slap you with them until you understand xd
Hi 51
I am cooked Donramax now
Yeah 51 is a fossil already xd
old man
haha
the crow violated your rights
remind them about the jim crow laws
it was basically like in alfred hitchcocks movie
except your eye didnt get poked out
was super weirded out by the fact
yeah i shoo'd it away after its 3rd attempt to fly in my face
as in fly past my head, do a 180, stop in front of my face mid flight and try to claw me all while screaching like a motherfucker
i think it was protecting its baby when i walked past them.
51 the birdman
that's a nice looking desk ngl
ty
oh my lord they cute
Very cute
i can't focus at work at all
they are so cute
they turn around
switch positions
start to purr

Awe
svel: I don't want cats
also svel:
Those cats are relaxing very nice
The one in the corner looks like its having a good dream
Cute kitties
Mhm
hello
imagine
Svel the kitten dad
kiss their tiny foreheads

nitro gay

Afternoon
they sleep
they sleep around me while I work yes
;
very cool
only when they sleep
Hi
otherwise they try to chase my cursor on my screen
climb on my keyboard and press random keys
lay down on my mouse
Hi dizzy And tired, i'm svel
where can I find any model creator willing to talk for a bit?
If you're gonna ask for free models thou will be babbed and executed by 152mm
Can I get a free model
hilarious
Ikr
Hello again
I do not want nor need any free model
Oop
I only want to talk with any creator of any level to discuss of their process
is for a homework project
and I need to do some field research
can try asking in the 3d channel then
Okay so first you need 27 liters of vodka
lol
And a strong will
3d channel?
I still have vodka
Well not real vodka, but it's ok
Fake Vodka
okay! thanks!
Sus
picious
I see. Thanks for the insight. I don’t drink alcohol.
Is it just me or there is way too much hate from PC users towards quest 2 users?
not enough you mean
It’s justified.
Sounds like leninade
I've been both Quest user and PC user at the same time. What would that make me? lol.
A hybrid
I use Valve Index at this point though because screw Facebook
Facebook takes your information
it does worse than that
and improves their product
if you get FB banned, you lose your Oculus crap too
which is stupid beyond comprehension
and they have banned people for terrible reasons before so why should I trust them now?
if you are sketchy on FB then yeah u will get banned... I have used FB since I can recall... why would they ban me now?
I think the difference is people that have been using FB for years, vs new users
specially if you provide fake info
and if you act with hate in the platform
new users often get screwed just for being new is my point
but that is because nowadays people live in paranoia and new users never provide true info
anside that society now is so spicy and people get all haity haity over any dumb post and violate rules...
Wanting to protect your privacy should be a given.
thats my point... if you provide true info, be respectful, and just use it mindfully... then why would you get banned?
I do suppose it is entirely possible that my views have been influenced by a heavily biased group and/or media though.
hard to know what's really true or not these days
but this is what I do not get. protect what privacy??? who can fully assure privacy these days? hiding exactly what? dont the government already knows you basic info?
Some of the privacy stuff I don't get either.
My main concern has always been how that data gets used, not it being collected.
I feel only sketchy people want privacy cuz they have something to hide
For one, giving up your privacy allows companies to target things specifically about you.
Google does this well with something called "filter bubbles", which is both a good and big problem. For one it gives you suggestions based on what it thinks you might like based off the information it collected from you. But this plays into confirmation bias heavily, as google will give the user results that they want, and not what's necessarily true.

Yeah, this would not be so bad if the end user had true meaningful control over this but AFAIK we don't.
Using multiple search engines at once can help with the bubble issue though
as tech advances the while bubble issue would be fixed, especially when Google target to all kind of biases to provide the best UX... problem is when people are not willing to help tech to advance making tech harder to progress... nobody can fully guess for a user magically what it needs unless you speak about it....
hey that is my opinion, but ok if you feel fearful to "give up" your privacy .
Anyways here is something about PC players vs Questies
That meme was made when the Quest update appeared to wreck network IK performance
The update for networking was already planned iirc but it was rushed to match the Quest release
What’s the reason behind the hate towards quest users btw
as far as I heard it brought more kids into vrc, and people hate kids
That makes sense lol
Probably as just stated when Quest VRChat released the network performance was worse for everyone. The exact reason why wasn't known for a while.
Additionally most people on Quest are annoying kids. To hate people just for using Quest is stupid though.
vrc used to be mostly based on adults
but i feel it is creating way so much biases
not all quest users are kids
Most are, not all.
I recently just got the quest, never knew about all this hahaha
and is a good cheap start point that can help for conversion of people moving to more expensive headsets
nobody will invest 2000$ into something without knowing they will like it
quest helps for transition and versatility
A bias is there because its mostly true in some sense.
You can not deny the amount of kids on quest/Pc compared to other VR types isnt insane.
The kid problem with Quest is so bad that some PC users actually just go to PC only worlds to avoid most of that.
I feel the problem is not from the quest... but from vrc that should not be allowing way too many kids and pumping up the age
That isn't going to fix anything.
can't pump the age
The problem is VRchat, just like any other internet platform, cant monitor soemone's age
Are there no age filtered worlds? Or are the filters just getting ignored
otherwise it wont be family friendly anymore and Oculus will say nono to vrc
sad
there is no filters
you can go anywhere
There are no worlds specifically with age restrictions. The game as a whole has one but it's set to 13+
good point
the game is 13+ but you can with strip clubs without even trying
lol
with people moaning and using naked avatars and in public
it's not even difficult to find
I can to random popular lobbies
don't even have to try to find n-word sayers, naked avatars and nazi stuff
it's a fucking joke at this point
and not meaning just actual 21+ but the wording and whatsoever
"lol just don't go to popular worlds xd"
yeah ok that absolutely makes all that shit ok
well... i love the huge open minded of vrc and I support that
but i do not agree on kids being present
21+ worlds don't make sense because it's just for alcoholics but europes like ah yes 18 buy alcohol
I barely played VRC so far but I gotta agree there are some messed up ppl on this game
Can't fix that unfortunately
What do you expect when moderation has been non existing and a proper joke since 2017
I’m guessing private worlds are a big thing?
Like im fairly amazed it aint worse
the only fix is blocking them
I've seen horni people in public lobbies with their cringe ass egirl avatars that have no clothes like ah yes
that they actually do something
i block every kid I hear around and thats all
Some european countries be like 'haha! 16yo drinking goes bbbrrr'
people complain that they don't communicate enough and don't listen to the playerbase
haha, I come from Italy. we drink since we are out of the womb
Pretty sure it's beer only in germany and higher stuff is 18+
and everytime devs are finally answering (either in canny or the dev stream or just talking in discord), it's always "we do listen and always try our best"
What they do with banning people is like far from enough.
Like the other stuff is understandable
I remember all my buddies trying to buy something else in germany and they were asked for id and were like huh i thought it was 16
it shouldn't be as easy to see so many TOS breaking stuff in random public worlds
When RuneScape has better moderation
Tbh I don’t blame the devs, a game like this seems like it would be hard to moderate without player mods
anything has better moderation
literally any moderation is better than nothing
you have to fucking record people and go through a whole ticket process to report someone
RuneScape moderation is actually pretty decent now
Just get an intern to sit in public lobbies recording 24/7 and banning people :^)
Cheap labor and results
most people can't be assed t ogo through that much effort
and even then, even after reports people aren't banned
i played last week end for 2 hoursfound a guy in Hitler avatar
Clearly it was charlie chaplin
dude said that he was running around in that avatar in popular worlds for 1 month
still not banned
1 whole month and he still playing
Lmaooo
I play a fair bit on alts exploring worlds now svel
It takes around 5 minutes to fill up the bingo card of racism, sexism and cheaters
The worst things are those avatars that flash images on your screen
At least I think those are avatars
Just out of curiosity what’s classified as cheating in this game
Those brainrot client users
The only freedom i give to people is loading their avatars without shaders and animations
I want VRC 2017 back 
I haven't been in a public world in months
2017 was before that red plague
Where are the times where screenshaders that spawned above the menu without a panic mode where the biggest problem the game had
I refuse to let those cunts ruin my experience
public worlds or nothing
I ain't going to get pushed back into private worlds only
Sounds like you just like punishing yourself svel
Bruh private only worlds are just discord+
shits lame
very lame
If i want that i just join a cool minecraft server and talk there
and people that lock themselves in friends/private just stay in front of the mirror in the end
very fucking cool, great experience
Same group and i can atleast do something else the mirror watch
at least in public something interesting can happen
My group has been playing games and karaoke and stuff mostly
mirror watching is fine from time to time, I don't even have an issue with it
but only doing that day after day and nothing else
No mirror watching here
what even is the point
just print a fucking picture of your avatar and put it on your monitor
and all your walls
I hate the general mentality of vrchat to still enjoy it
i played 900 hours between 2018 and 2019
and between 2020 and 2021 i have less than 100 hours
Tbh i only really enjoy exploring worlds now
Some crazy shit out there
I got a total of 20 hours on my main account this year svel 🙃
i don't know
world hopping is fine for a while but at some point you just want to chill in a random world and meet new people
Why do you use alts to explore oclac
but that's next to impossible
As i dont want people on my friends list to bug me
@mild swan
And i love myself some good old privacy when it comes to not socializing
wanna know whats even better than socializing or exploring worlds
making your own avatars
👀 Oh yea that too
I see. Understandable. I usually just go orange or red when I'm feeling like that
yin i miss u

yin who is in pfp
It's link if he was a cute girl
Its zelda :^)
Mother fucker
Oh discord also is great at optics
They added this today 🏳️⚧️
Why is amongus on my final please help
clean your monitor damn
Why the fuck do you have your phone out on the final
that0s been here for a while
Uh oh that flag is political you can't post it
And?
Really? I knew they had the queer flag for ages, but fairly sure the trans one is new.
I took my phone out so I can take picture cuz amogus
You'll anger people who don't like the colors
i know it's been there since 2020 at least
I too risk my academic results for amogus memes
It’s the schools computer
grrr
And?
And then the mods will ban you
And?
And then you will be lonely
Oclac would be free
I am blue white and pink phobic the colors scare me guys
im getting hives at the moment
horrified
Oclac would be a free house elf
I heard putting a bucket over your head and never taking it off helps with that
noted
Oclac would be free to do more gay crimes irl then 🙏
anyone know a great source of 3d models related to elven peoples clothing that they can share by chance
eww don't be gay
I might or might not have recently changed out one of those bus stop poster things. The one behind glass and replaced it with more based stuff.
that's so 2020
in 2021 you need to be trans
Gay crime is cool when its like that
oclac show
i am super straight ,does it count ?
all of the bus stops here have cringe anti corona messages
covids a hoax not sure what you mean
Lol yah that does count I guess
Im not gonna dox myself for some posters
oclac knows the risks of sharing any bit of topo or geographic photography
what am I gonna do, go to the south?
Also it got removed within a week anyway, sad times, but still fun
So far June has only given me pain and suffering
Summer holiday
same
we reached June and it's fucking hotflies started to appear and mosquitoes too
That’d make July pride month for the UK
anyone want to share their june experiences
Svel do you not like companies that have extremely toxic environments and actively work against queer people changing there social media profile to have a rainbow and start selling rainbow shit to fund even more anti queer groups ?
Lots of sun
they are my favorite
Well, my birthday is every June
I got vaccinated and it hurts like hell and then my.boss wanted me to join a online meeting at 1am that's my June so far o
happy birthday early or late
jesus fucking hell
on a more positive note, my kitties are finally comfortable enough to sleep on my desk while i work and they play with each other now
Early, just 25 days off
Should have send the vaccine to me
i need to block this furryposting degenerate
Im gonna at risk of dying for another month or some shit
I need to take all 5 vaccienes to become a god
My arm feels like it's been shot I was waking up all night from the pain
After you get all 5 vaccines
Stupid government microchips
Floor reveal
pfffft for realll someone gets ittt
the furryposting degenerate
Elaborate
Awww cute kitties
Nah bro I got the microchip on purpose
nah
I want them to know where I am... As I take them down.
i'll give u my microchip
😎
Also my dog learned that if he slams against his tiny pool that the water goes all over the place 🙃
Microcrisp
Saving that
Fun
no calling out people
DM a chat mod with that info
DM a moderator with the screen, they will deal with it
@jovial marsh
Then wait
dr professor ocelot welcome
Yes
Mhmm
When random vrc community servers have better moderation than the official one
Less stupid people.
And yet more active lol
Please tell me of these communities
This is absolutely standard 
Uh oh
Oh no
See you guys in the shadow realm
I'm sorry ^^;
The f in fpaul stands for fired.
passports debit cards and ids have tracking chips in them. your phone (even a old one back from the 1990s) if you have a simcard can be used to track you. in some countries (like mine) it is required to hand over your id informations when purchasing a PREPAID sim card. in countries like china the cameras are now operating with advanced ai recognizing faces and citizens to their name/surname. ppl taking shit about microchips in syringes need to take the conspiracy tinfoil hat off cause they get butthurt over trivial shit when they are being invigilated every single day if required.
fucking hell, tinfoilers.
(in USA too)
Microchips need power
I must have forgotten that one, I read them only a while ago
Won't happen again
BANISHED to the nether realm with you doctor professor
Wait so you aren’t an Ocelot??
Revolver..
bond bond?
Bondage 😳

bond ocelot bond james revolver bond ocelot
First the kiss.
...?
Then the piss
Then the Yum 🤤 🍔
Name your favorite burger now
"yo guyz when I can buy vrc skins?" shaking my damn head
In hell!
I buy my own but I use the currency of TIME and DEDICATION.
With YOU
Whatever that means.

I am so god damned tired
it was a wise decision to block him
But answer the question
untire yourself don
I want to go sleep but I dont want to wake up to then go work
What’s the burger that burgers your burger
that means we will sit together in a sauna in hell
🤔
drinking hellbeer while having hellgrill
We do a lil grillin
sitting 3 hours scanning products is not very productive
all Im gonna do is ask where tf my money went
Consume product
Get excited for next product
Kiss the homies goodnight instead. That’s always poggers
gotta pay for this chair
make it yourself
go get an axe chop trees
129 what?!
129 euros
comfy chair costs not comfy money
index
Cat tested and approved
which one
and then go to the authors profile and go to their world
cloning
if you can find them on the internet you can upload them yourself

by using unity
maybe even gamer
Bideo Gmaes
god sake my sister bought a new phone, iphone 12 which she pays 67 euro a month for
Gross.
incredibly yucky
she was calling my mom and the selfie camera quality
god its horrible

I'm a fan of macos. It's terrible for gaming, absolutely, but I find it better for music-making, for instance.
ios is nice for people who arent super tech savvy because its all really easy to manage, the security is nice too but the pricing is def really high
Pricing has been slowly getting better, but it's still beyond what it should be, at least for the macs







