vrchat-general-2

[storm pilot]

was on reddit

[pulsar pier]

https://twitter.com/HerpDerpinstine/status/1376841528128253953?s=20

Made for Unity, not VRchat

[languid beacon]

No context to that image. Says “take a look at it” no proof of the “arrangement”

[pulsar pier]

They replied with screenshots

[storm pilot]

to be devil's advocate, you can't see the alleged vrc team member's email address so it could be anyone

[clear fog]

if you want I can show you my appeal :)

[vocal shard]

A dev of Melonloader only has 141 followers?

[languid beacon]

None in the replies either. Only stating that they need to abide by ToS

[exotic ether]

Ooo spiciness

[worthy oracle]

It is very scummy

[clear fog]

https://twitter.com/HerpDerpinstine/status/1376980756057223168?s=19

[storm pilot]

ye I love coming here during drama =w=

[languid beacon]

That is exactly the image I was commenting on.

No proof

[clear fog]

what do you need to see

[worthy oracle]

lmao get a load of this guy

[languid beacon]

I see no blackmailing. I see no “delete the repository”

[arctic elm]

So, they unbanned him?

[pulsar pier]

That's blackmail

[languid beacon]

Where

[pulsar pier]

Are you slow

[worthy oracle]

lmfao

[clear fog]

they're basically saying if they want to get unbanned they have to take it down

[languid beacon]

Pointing to githubs that are in violation of VRChat tos is not “blackmail”

[pulsar pier]

It isn't in violation though. It was made for unity

[worthy oracle]

the guy spent a year working on a project that is Unity based and not created for vrchat

[languid beacon]

Show the requirement to take anything down

[worthy oracle]

they are saying they won’t unban unless he takes his work down

[clear fog]

it is literally in the screenshot I sent

[pulsar pier]

Bro we aren't listening to you if you keep saying the same thing over and over again

[clear fog]

and here we go

[arctic elm]

based on those screenshots it looks like they just decided to reverse the ban

[worthy oracle]

literally just baiting at this point

[clear fog]

https://i.imgur.com/1CmLc7f.png this is from MY appeal

it shows the same they sent to them

[exotic ether]

Imo why is like this even such a discussion? -u-

[pulsar pier]

Well in anycase,
Stan ChilloutVR. Banning everyone who uses mods that affect no one else is completely unnecessary.

[worthy oracle]

no point, he’ll reply with something dumb

what did I say

[pulsar pier]

Yeah I've blocked him already

[worthy oracle]

xD

[languid beacon]

Your mod was actually against ToS

[simple wyvern]

I mean there you go guys

[clear fog]

we are former modders who quit because of VRChat

[languid beacon]

Going in circles here

[clear fog]

because you can't seem to understand

[pulsar pier]

Because you ask the same questions we answer

[storm pilot]

out of curiosity, what is the name on the sender of this email? I'm just curious if it matches the images posted by herp or the one from Loukylor

[exotic ether]

eats popcorn

[worthy oracle]

No point of talking to a wall, just ignore the guy lol

[vocal shard]

Yo

[pulsar pier]

true lmao

[worthy oracle]

xD

[languid beacon]

This herp account, made a claim and did not back it up with evidence. They claim vrc required it be removed, rather than merely modified. I wish to see proof of that claim. No one is providing it

[clear fog]

"Trust & Safety Team", no name like "Pineapple"

[compact onyx]

do i hear karens

[pulsar pier]

I think he's trolling

[worthy oracle]

It’s literally in the screenshot

Holy shit this guy

[compact onyx]

u sound like a karen

[pulsar pier]

He's trolling ignore him

[languid beacon]

It’s not.

[compact onyx]

ngl

he sounds like a karen

[pulsar pier]

He is lmao

[storm pilot]

thanks ^^

[vocal shard]

atp I think hes real we had a few other "hes trolling" moments recently

[clear fog]

Actually I just opened the ticket after logging in, it shows the same as them

[simple wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-the-office-salute-yes-sir-gif-13625282

[pulsar pier]

Get it trending on twitter bois

[charred drum]

Please understand

[languid beacon]

Yeah I’ve been shitposting all day. But I’m actually serious right now. There is no proof provided the creator was asked to delete their repositories as opposed to merely modifying it to abide by ToS. I’d love to see it, I’m sure there are many here who would love to shut me up as well.

[storm pilot]

wait are the tickets on VRC's website or twitter or?

[vocal shard]

honestly we should distribute some of the people to other platforms, the poor servers would get a break

[left stag]

bro wtf up with the servers

[uncut trail]

Steamvr is messed up rn

[left stag]

cant log in

[worthy oracle]

@left stag vrchat being vrchat

[vocal shard]

I dont think the chat mod is very keen on the protest in the discord though

[left wave]

L

[pulsar pier]

I don't think they're keen on mods either and now look where we are

[clear fog]

it's on VRC's website (hello.vrchat.com), it didn't show "Pineapple"'s name on the emails but it shows in the ticket itself

[storm pilot]

ICIC thanks ^^

[worldly summit]

no mods allowed

[storm pilot]

guys don't spam >~>

[odd blaze]

🤔

[clear fog]

I still don't understand that # like are we trying to ban the game or something

[exotic ether]

Heres a better question why do you need to know if it was true or not? Even though it kinda is. Are ya worried bout losing YOUR mods? -u-

[storm pilot]

👋

[odd blaze]

Bye spammers

[pulsar pier]

nah

[worthy oracle]

oof

[pulsar pier]

Bruh hate for this game will continue until the game dies

[worthy oracle]

deadass

[simple wyvern]

F

[vocal shard]

Game is pretty fun I think

[clever forge]

Good way to deal with criticisms

[worthy oracle]

silencing their community

[cobalt hornet]

It is unavoidable that such mods will develop on VRChat, which has many defects, but if it is prohibited, it is a mistake to protest.

[pulsar pier]

It is but the devs are children

[worthy oracle]

lmao

[pulsar pier]

Game is awesome when it's allowed to be

[cobalt hornet]

Some people who are actually developing have used methods to exploit these.

[vocal shard]

it more of an overreach of power

[storm pilot]

if you're talking about them deleting the spam, I'd like to point you to the hundreds of undeleted messages that are made up of legit discussion not just spam

[cobalt hornet]

This is one way to ban development.

[pulsar pier]

If VRChat supported the non-malicious mods this game would grow and flourish, and they'd actually get more people buying VRC+
So its literally going against their own interests to ban these people

[simple wyvern]

All of their messages are deleted so you can't backtrack now

[cobalt hornet]

There is no non-malicious modification.

[storm pilot]

o I didn't realized they got banned F

[severe iron]

I dont really get what the issue is, but I've never used mods so I guess I wouldnt. To me, someone dev out of house for their client is simply a liability that isnt worth it

[cobalt hornet]

They can behave like moderators by modifying them.

As they were actually doing

[craggy lagoon]

💦

[pulsar pier]

They have manually banned the mods that they know don't affect other players.

[languid beacon]

It’s their biggest source of comprised accounts, for one thing.

[cobalt hornet]

no they did

[clear fog]

But they banned the modders who does wholesome mods, not the bad ones sir

[severe iron]

If they kept some mods and removed others, that sounds biased. Zero tolerance seems the most practical.

[cobalt hornet]

They had a blacklist in it.

[exotic ether]

Well uhm mods that have limiters? Particle Mesh , Audio Bone. All the stuff that people yse to crash you with?

[primal summit]

blep

[clear fog]

people. Literally why do that bruh

[worthy oracle]

oof

[primal summit]

yeet

[storm pilot]

yeah that one wasn't going to last lmao

[clever forge]

LMAO

[arctic elm]

ban% speedrun

[storm pilot]

kek

[cobalt hornet]

Running external clients on VRChat is prohibited.

[worthy oracle]

bruh

[primal summit]

lol

[languid beacon]

The loading screens say no exceptions.

[odd blaze]

config.json most can be avoided

[cobalt hornet]

Say nothing to use or develop these. Protesting those bans is different.

[pulsar pier]

Even the ones made for graphics to deal with the devs' shitty optimization

[primal summit]

just can imagin his pings XDDD

[worthy oracle]

Well

[clear fog]

FranShade... I remember your nickname, you're the person who made a server to share booth packages and free seller packages for free and even had a category for malicious "clients", and now you're here talking about all that stuff
You're not being right on the head

[storm pilot]

do you use a very poor avatar?

[worthy oracle]

YO FR LMAO

[clever forge]

called out

[worthy oracle]

F

[worldly summit]

lmao

[vocal shard]

😂

[cobalt hornet]

[uneven escarp]

When has anyone agreed that zero tolerance is a good policy?

[pulsar pier]

bruhhhhh

[worthy oracle]

there should be tolerance if the mods are literally doing a better job at making the game better than the devs lol

[vocal shard]

I wouldn't just believe something that big that easily but its odd how specific that was

[old stratus]

Modders be like rage/whining rn lol how about play VRchat legit (Normal) if not there the door

[worthy oracle]

it’s all for improving the experience, not ruining it

[vocal shard]

also how would you even know unless you were a part of that?

[arctic elm]

pics or it didnt happen

[vocal shard]

I saw that message frans

[vocal shard]

This tbh

[pulsar pier]

Literally giving rippers and graphics mod makers the same punishment..... why
Literally this is why I don't get VRC+ and I'm sure some agree with me

[cobalt hornet]

I don't want to leave a the log

[lusty zodiac]

Heyy I have a question

[boreal heath]

Except they didn't

[vocal shard]

Mods can see deleted messages lmao.

[storm pilot]

wassup

[pulsar pier]

Oh yeah, they only ban the graphics mod makers

[worldly summit]

Rippers and malicious mod users didn't get affected at all

[lusty zodiac]

How do you delete avatars that aren’t available on quest

Because it won’t let meeee

[worthy oracle]

that’s the problem

[charred drum]

what punishment did rippers and trolls get? None, as far as I can tell

[boreal heath]

Exactly. This is why everyone is complaining

[worthy oracle]

I don’t get it

[charred drum]

they targeted creators

[boreal heath]

Only the good creators

[severe iron]

Literally every game that has mods that were used for malicious purposes

[cobalt hornet]

This is not the beginning. Previously there was a BAN wave for people using malicious clients.

[worthy oracle]

people are mad cause we want the game to be better, and devs always repress the community and pull off dumb shit like this

[boreal heath]

Yes I've seen it before for world clappers and avatar stealers. Which is perfect.

[clear fog]

Yes you're saying obvious things and acting like you've been on the VRC team side always

whoops wrong reply

[clear fog]

there we go

[worthy oracle]

wat

oh

oof this whole thing is a mess rn tho

[severe iron]

The core issue is that even non malicious mods could be used for malicious intent. Not sure why it's even a debate, even then modders should grasp that at some level of dev

[worthy oracle]

I just think some kind of understanding would be good for the game in general

[pulsar pier]

Except even when they aren't

They're banned

[fiery dragon]

No way you're still talking abt this

[cobalt hornet]

Even with that non-malicious mod, there are facts such as making money with the mod.

[boreal heath]

I mean you can look at the source code lol

[cobalt hornet]

And the fact is that Melon Loader supports malicious mods.

[worldly summit]

Or... Maybe get the game fixed so people don't have a reason to use mods

[visual flicker]

this

[worthy oracle]

this discord has been for over 12 hrs now

[charred drum]

then the VRC devs should make official mod-support part of VRC+

[worldly summit]

But that's going to take another 10 years at the current pace lmfao

[clear fog]

please stop talking nonsense as soon as you can

[severe iron]

You can look at the code and then that code could be further modded for malicious purposes

[worthy oracle]

true

[boreal heath]

You can use Hash Calculators to determine if the file was changed from the source code

[storm pilot]

lmao this would make people so maddd

[cobalt hornet]

But that's actually the case. If you want to destroy the world, it's easy.

[cold quail]

My mic says its on and I've turned it on and off and closed and reopened the game and restarted the quest but its not picking up my voice and I've even somewhat yelled into it
Any ideas on what to do ?

[worthy oracle]

That doesn’t put the blame on the creator of the loader, further modifications are not within Herp’s control

[clear fog]

what are you on about WHAT

[charred drum]

I'd pay for more features, and pay to support VRC. In fact, I did, but cancelled VRC+ because of this shit

[fiery dragon]

I'm pretty sure just using a client wont get u banned if you're semi discreet abt it

[boreal heath]

I actually agree with this from a business standpoint

[clever forge]

Check #vrchat-support

[cobalt hornet]

I don't think you know, but they haven't been able to block it.

[storm pilot]

I just like the picture next to my name c:

[severe iron]

You sure can, but I don't think it's worth it for the vrc team to support modders when they 1, dont have to, and 2, mods have caused security issues

[clear fog]

I don't think you know anything

[charred drum]

mod creators should hit VRC devs where it hurts: make a mod that blocks all quest users. That's all the devs seem to care about

[cobalt hornet]

And when they add it, they are adding a blacklist.

[worldly summit]

You cannot verify the integrity of a client because in that case a mod can be made that just says everything is A-OK. Stuff like this has to be verified server side

[worthy oracle]

vrc team should just make their game actually good so mods become redundant

[cobalt hornet]

I know better than you

[boreal heath]

Lel I'd like to know when the Currently banned mod makers ever created security issues

[exotic ether]

Im just saying , the confing.json doesnt do much against people. I mainly would use mods for HIGHER protection if anything

[cobalt hornet]

Yep

[worthy oracle]

you don’t

[cold quail]

Ty

[boreal heath]

LOL

[visual flicker]

that's how it's going on the subreddit rn with them silencing people about this

[final bluff]

Hello

[clear fog]

You know better than one of the modders who's actually involved? Don't think so

[iron lotus]

MelonLoader actually has it in their terms of use to not use it for malicious mods. It doesn't directly support or not support anything. It's a loader that loads .dll files into a unity game engine. Anyone who supports the ban of the MelonLoader creator is plain ignorant, along with the staff that green lit that decision. How can you guys be so dense? I'm honestly disgusted. I haven't had any issue with your moderation decisions up until this point, but you're now witch hunting devs of programs that don't develop anything directly relating to your game? MelonLoader is a general purpose mod loader for ANY unity game. Anyone who is throwing accusations of anything else doesn't know what they're talking about or are lying for the clout.

[storm pilot]

nah they just deleted the message

[worthy oracle]

^

[final bluff]

[storm pilot]

bein shneaky

[worthy oracle]

this

[boreal heath]

I think the bot will auto-delete/kick those who say certain words

[vocal shard]

Lol..

[pseudo bobcat]

[pulsar pier]

VRC is trying to blackmail someone who made a Unity plugin basically. They did nothing wrong

[cobalt hornet]

What VRChatTEAM prohibits is a developer account.

[vestal delta]

also cancelled vrc +

[arctic elm]

clearly the next update is going to be a bunch of QoL fixes that are behind the vrc+ paywall

[clear fog]

what are you on 😫 please stop

[cobalt hornet]

Stop using the Modding Group's shit. Minami

[worthy oracle]

idek what he’s on tbh

[clear fog]

english please

[silent carbon]

lol what?

[charred drum]

VRC+ doesn't really give you features

maybe a few small ones

[vocal shard]

Good meme lmao

[clear fog]

thanks.

[vestal delta]

apart from more avatars and a picture

[craggy lagoon]

hahaha

[worthy oracle]

F

[arctic elm]

it's only half meme...

[visual flicker]

VRC+ gives you the amazing feature of 10 dollars less in your bank account each month!

[cobalt hornet]

ez bro

[vestal delta]

i can live with the mains i have saved as my 25 despite it being a number thats wayy to low

[worthy oracle]

dude is literally here admitting to stealing accounts lmao

[severe iron]

Why would vrc+ paywall qol a problem?

[worthy oracle]

oof

[cobalt hornet]

In fact, if you use MelonLoader to steal them, it only takes a couple of lines of code.

[worldly summit]

"hurdur VRC+ is like a donation don't expect features"

[clever forge]

You mean paying for QoL?

[vestal delta]

becuase vrchat is in desperate need of QOL for everyone

[arctic elm]

because they did lmao you gotta pay for more avi favs

[clever forge]

Things that should be in the game?

[severe iron]

Like what?

[pulsar pier]

Graphics settings

[cobalt hornet]

Who said Melon Loader is a secure system?

[visual flicker]

like everything mods do to actually make the game better lol

[iron lotus]

I'm just really disappointed @vocal shard that you let your staff ban a fellow dev who doesn't even develop their program in direct relation to VRC, but Unity overall. This literally made me cry reading this is how you guys are choosing to do this. I can't support this decision in any way.

As a fellow dev I'm just disappointed the direction it appears VRC is taking.. I know it's unlikely any of the staff will see what I say these days but this is the first time in years I've felt the need or desire to speak up in this discord... I'm not here pleading you guys change your decision making, but I just am expressing my disdain and disappointment. I'll still be on the platform as many of my friends still are but it's hard to suggest this as a platform for new people to come to, after everything I've seen.. Especially this.

I just hope maybe yu hear the large majority of your community eventually that is upset by these kinds of decisions..

Much love, nirvana 💜

[clever forge]

🤔

[silent carbon]

That's not QOL lol

[vocal shard]

Anyone know how to fix this problem I’m having one of my avatars now says unable to show or something like that and I can’t unfavorite it or wear it or even see the details

[arctic elm]

it is tho

[storm pilot]

guys I'll brb going to launch the game to read this while chillin

[vocal shard]

This chat really has surprised me in the last 24 hours

[cobalt hornet]

are you using oculus quest?

[vocal shard]

Yeh

[storm pilot]

try unfavoriting it on the website as well

[cobalt hornet]

Maybe you are trying to load a PC-only avatar with Quest2.

[severe iron]

I'm legit curious.

[vestal delta]

who/what was this?

[vocal shard]

Alright I’ll try that thanks

[charred drum]

I got VRC+ to support VRC's devs, as it was quite awesome to use in these COVID times, esp in 2020. But they've proven multiple times now that they're actively hostile to their userbase, as far as I can tell

also very poor community response

[visual flicker]

+1

[vestal delta]

i know about modders getting banned but not unity dev

[iron lotus]

@vestal delta VRPill is the creator/founder of VRC

[vocal shard]

But I wore it yesturday and it showed and everything

[worldly summit]

this

[vestal delta]

i mean the dude that got banned @iron lotus

[arctic elm]

i got vrc+ for a month to get the cat badge and thats it lmao

[iron lotus]

@vestal delta they are banning the creator of MelonLoader

[worthy oracle]

Vrchat dev team is ungrateful for their community that goes out of their way to develop on the game for them

[cobalt hornet]

Ah, maybe the avatar has been removed.

[storm pilot]

someone who thinks this is a good place to post their well written and detailed complaint (probably better to email them that)

[pseudo bobcat]

Kek so much misinformation flying around

[cobalt hornet]

Yeah, remove it from your favorites.

[clear fog]

hi I am back with some fresh stuff for you @cobalt hornet, https://i.imgur.com/eg1F4BL.png
how do you explain this

[clever forge]

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[tropic spoke]

pretty sure hes not the actual founder

[vocal shard]

Oh maybe but wouldn’t I be able to unfavorite it

[visual flicker]

minecraft enchantment table type beat

[simple wyvern]

Bruh I just turned on that chillout vr shit they were promoting so heavy and it was like a total of 7 mfs online

[iron lotus]

@tropic spoke yes he is one of the two founders/creators

[worthy oracle]

fran just got caught in 4K

[vestal delta]

that's crossing the line.

[tropic spoke]

ah thought there was only one

[cobalt hornet]

Is camouflage fun?

[storm pilot]

ye game is super small right now, I hope more people try it out though because more competition is good for everyone!

[charred drum]

CVR is also being DDOSed right now

[simple wyvern]

They got a LONG way to go before they can compete

[cobalt hornet]

It is better to use external software (VRCX) etc.

[fiery dragon]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 30166 users in VRChat currently

[charred drum]

there were a few hundred on on NYE

[vestal delta]

ima try out neos due to them updating in a month more than vrchat does in a year

[fiery dragon]

I'll just stick with vrc

[iron lotus]

@vestal delta this is why i am upset. MelonLoader isn't developed to mod VRC. It's made to mod UNITY IN GENERAL. regardless of game. VRC devs are mad that it's used on VRC to so easily mod it. so they think a ban is appropriate for the creator of melonloader until he deletes his public github repositories. this is so against my ethics as a dev. i'm crying over this right now cuz i love VRC but they are really making me sad

[simple wyvern]

Literally have like 1 male avatar in their 6 avatar worlds

[fiery dragon]

Cvr is literally just vrchat but with less players

[worthy oracle]

I’m confused as to why there is a guy (cough) @cobalt hornet in chat that hasn’t been banned from the server yet, that has mentioned about how ‘easy it is to steal authtokens’ and admitting to stealing accounts and distributing malicious modified clients.

[vocal shard]

Why would they bother to ddos a game with like 30 active players

[cobalt hornet]

wait

[fiery dragon]

I think it's just 10 people that joined and the servers arent doing well

[iron lotus]

THIS

[vocal shard]

On the website I can’t view my avatars tho

[worthy oracle]

honestly doesn’t surprise me

[iron lotus]

avatar rippers run rampant while QoL modders get banned

[boreal heath]

VRChat was at its peak best in 2020, but not before or after

[severe iron]

Theres likely a deeper reason. Like what do people use melonloader for in vrc?

[worldly summit]

They had less problems on new year's eve than VRC 😄

[clear fog]

it is a mod loader for unity games

[cobalt hornet]

These are not websites. Maybe it works perfectly with VRCX.

Minami

Maybe I get it who are you

[clear fog]

I am Minami

[cobalt hornet]

mm

dev

[worthy oracle]

So they ban people for using a hashtag but not people admitting to stealing accounts

[iron lotus]

People use melonloader to mod VRC, whatever mod they want - melonloader wasnt made specifically for VRC. this is my issue. melonloader is a UNITY mod loader. not a VRC ONLY mod loader.

[severe iron]

So they can use melonloader to load malicious and non malicious mods? Sounds against tos

[storm pilot]

haven't they gotten ddosed like 4 times now?

[worthy oracle]

oof

[worthy oracle]

Yeah I believe so

[iron lotus]

@severe iron MelonLoader has been in existence long before modding in VRC was big

[vestal delta]

to load stuff, look at the github , no where does it state its for VRchat

its just vrchat uses unity

[iron lotus]

@severe iron MelonLoader just became the loader of choice for modders

[cobalt hornet]

Have you been banned? minami

[worthy oracle]

bruh the double standards are incredible

where are the priorities at

[vestal delta]

ima also change my profile pic as a suspicious melon in solidarity

[iron lotus]

anyway, i said what i wanted to say, i hope @vocal shard does see that there are still OG members like myself around who are actively still watching and are upset by these decisions.. hope yu all have a good day.

[worthy oracle]

bro they don’t care

[silent carbon]

Have you looked at the melon loader wiki?

[worthy oracle]

simply, they’ve shown that much anyway

yep

[severe iron]

Maye the og members can respect the game, like all things, has changed, and the culture of modding is not something the dev's want.

[cobalt hornet]

I only know. I have never actually tried this.
And I know someone in this was doing it.

[boreal heath]

Aight I recommend not pinging them. That just makes everyone look bad

[worthy oracle]

true

[arctic elm]

vrcbot omega moment

[cobalt hornet]

yep

😋

[vocal shard]

I mean you might, just might of had a chance with just that one first ping but I feel now they will see the second one first and just kick you before they see the main first one lol

[worthy oracle]

damn he got you

[charred drum]

why 🍋 ?

[vestal delta]

think it was typo

[arctic elm]

oh no not the lemons again

[vestal delta]

for now...

[sullen ice]

Did I miss the good part yet?

[charred drum]

Hey remember when MySpace was king of all social media, and then almost overnight everyone flocked to Facebook?

[craggy lagoon]

[simple wyvern]

Gotta have something worth going to for that

[arctic elm]

i have added a melon to my status...

[tropic spoke]

also are we not going to talk about how people get banned for reporting exploits?

[charred drum]

maybe CVR or Neos can get their shit together

[gray rune]

Welp, here we go again.

[ember portal]

CVR pretty good

[simple wyvern]

When you got no comp, you do what you want

[ember portal]

just missing players

[worthy oracle]

fr?

[boreal heath]

I'm surprised they haven't banned you yet. I thought they banned anyone with fruit in their pfp

[simple wyvern]

Literally the most important thing lol

[worthy oracle]

LOL

[ember portal]

well it needs publicity for people to come join it and they dont really have a marketing budget so

[worthy oracle]

vrchat is a shithole jeez

[vocal shard]

fortunately unfortunately vrchat youtubers bring in alot of children

I hope we at least can start profiting off them if we have to have them through VRC+ on quest lol

did that come out yet?

[shut apex]

Bruh

[charred drum]

Quest users are usually annoying.

[tropic spoke]

not yet

[ember portal]

some are chill

[cobalt hornet]

I don't want to make the relationship worse, so I won't say anything more lol

[simple wyvern]

Children are usually annoying*

[charred drum]

true

[nova crater]

That’s why I ignore children

[boreal heath]

What's the purpose of entering your birthday when making your account? If only one can restrict world entry to those under 18. Cuz there's that check box that says "Content warning: NSFW" when you upload a world. If someone underaged enters, it just kicks them out.

[craggy lagoon]

VRC really do be like a bad relationship

[charred drum]

I made a fallback avatar which has a new texture on the back of my hoodie: "FUCK ZUCK." it worked until the VRC devs broke the previous way to set fallback avatars with their new "select a fallback" option. lol

[worldly summit]

Content warnings do nothing

[vocal shard]

the tags dont do anything lol

[simple wyvern]

Easy workaround. Just put a fake age

[vocal shard]

it is misleading how a nsfw tag is on their sdks but nsfw is against TOS

[simple wyvern]

Only thing that would fix this shit is parenting

[vocal shard]

mhmm

the tag is literally content_sex if im not mistaken

[charred drum]

actually, yeah. The VRC devs could, if they wanted to, start banning anyone for having private NSFW conversations or activity

[cold quail]

My mic says its on and I've turned it on and off and closed and reopened the game and restarted the quest but its not picking up my voice and I've even somewhat yelled into it
Any ideas on what to do ?

Ok so I went for help and it said uninstall the app and restart the quest and re install the app but it still isn't picking up my microphone

Should I send them an email or something?

[sullen ice]

Better, ban those that have communities that point to the worlds, but not the worlds themselves

[worthy oracle]

oh this game should have a tag system like chilloutvr for sure

[vocal shard]

CVR has it to where you need to get the nsfw DLC to see NSFW content.

[worthy oracle]

someone make that a canny post

[vestal delta]

someone needs to make a 2d avatar with the situation on with tweets etc so people that dont follow vrc that much are informed

[charred drum]

galaxy brain. Or, "Ignore those people, and the other people, and then ban some content creators who fix bugs."

[simple wyvern]

Still doesn't separate them from conversations

[boreal heath]

And then have a reliable system for reporting underaged users. If an accident happens and the 18+ user is restricted, they could be allowed to appeal it by sending in their ID and photo with their username written somewhere. This is what Discord implemented in the last year.

[charred drum]

Haha, I'd never trust the VRC devs with my ID

[boreal heath]

Maybe VRChat should learn from them. Pay $10 for lewd lmao. More money right?

[worthy oracle]

me neither

[vocal shard]

devs already said they aren't gonna be collecting ids

[tropic spoke]

did you know: they store passwords in plain text

[vocal shard]

mainly because of well its personal infomation

[boreal heath]

Well I'd rather have them make the game more secure.

[vocal shard]

Either way

[boreal heath]

They would delete it right after verification like what Discord and Facebook does.

[charred drum]

Facebook doesn't delete a single thing you send to them

[vocal shard]

at least they have their tags set up

[ember portal]

yeah i dont like the fact a guy called world crasher crashed a lobby and made a backdoor to everyone they crashed pc

[boreal heath]

The ban is overstepping.

[simple wyvern]

I think that would be a good idea if they actually had a competent security team

[boreal heath]

I've met their security team in game actually.

[quick echo]

starting off with a competent dev team would also be nice

[simple wyvern]

@boreal heath well this says enough about em if it's true lol

[tropic spoke]

want proof?

their API accepts Authorization: Basic

[simple wyvern]

Nah I don't want you to get banned out here lol I believe you

[tropic spoke]

their API is public information and VRCX isn't banned so, should be fine

[random badge]

Wait wait wait.. I just noticed.. You planning to use API as any sort of proof? 🤣

[dark harness]

@tropic spoke that's ... not how Authorization: Basic works at all

[random badge]

That's crazy

[tropic spoke]

its being sent over the wire without being hashed though so a MITM could steal it

[simple wyvern]

Oh we got staff in this bitch

[charred drum]

I hope they've been reading our complaints and taking them to heart

[worthy oracle]

recently thousands of accounts have been stolen

[dark harness]

Being sent over HTTPS, so in order to do that you'd need to be able to break SSL, which you could also use to steal credit card numbers and pictures of Dave Franco

[charred drum]

I suspect many devs are just normal users at heart

[simple wyvern]

Or at least taking note

[random badge]

Not the first time people are being not smart and not the last time. I see that usuaally with every single update. Day later no one complains 🤣

[vocal shard]

I mean your trying to convince people after all I would tone down the personal attacks

[ember portal]

they are humans and they all got hearts

[sullen ice]

Not gonna lie. In it for the Dave Franco.

[craggy lagoon]

So if we arent gonna talk about the bad stuff, what about all the movie worlds in VRChat with copyrighted movies n series? UwU

[worthy oracle]

Aye yo

[simple wyvern]

Bruh you better not ruin my movie worlds

[storm pilot]

dont take this away from me

[unreal verge]

Still going on huh?

[worthy oracle]

Chill, I like that luxury

[vestal delta]

ssshhhh

[vocal shard]

yessir

[vestal delta]

😂

[random badge]

Technically... Those are only links to the movies hosted on outside hostings. VRC has nothing to do with it.

[boreal heath]

Even using HTTPS?

[simple wyvern]

I'm actually bouta go into anime apartment and watch this sword art online

[tropic spoke]

a certificate provider would have to be compromised but its still possible

[storm pilot]

guys co e to black cat #95958 n chill

[vocal shard]

oof

[simple wyvern]

Yeah yeah what she said

[boreal heath]

It's not up to him y'all

[dark harness]

I can't talk about bans, I'm ops.

[tropic spoke]

who can?

[simple wyvern]

Fuck it here I come

[boreal heath]

I mean encryption for other services can be compromised too lol

[dark harness]

Oh, did someone on TWITTER say that they got banned for NO REASON?

gosh, we should believe them

[storm pilot]

kekw

[simple wyvern]

Being toxic probably not yall best move right now as staff

[worthy oracle]

Doesn’t it take weeks to even get noticed via support ticket - it seems users that get banned literally never get an appeal

[random badge]

Is that literally 3rd party app with use api? 🤣 Isn't that tos? 🤔 I wonder what app it is 🤔

[dark harness]

How's it working for you as community, bud?

[clever forge]

☝️

[vocal shard]

wow the sarcasm

[ember portal]

personally think it have some validation since i hear it come up a lot from people who want the game to be better 🤔

[craggy lagoon]

☝️

[simple wyvern]

Ya world must be full I don't see it on instances

[charred drum]

Is the HTTPS issue really the biggest issue the chat wants to discuss?

[random badge]

Soo.. People scream = REAL THING, 100% TRUTH! ? 🤣

[vestal delta]

this , they are already on a fine line

[worthy oracle]

idk

[ember portal]

never said that, seems like you are placing words in my mouth

[ripe kelp]

and i got banned for the same reason when i dont make mods

[random badge]

"it have some validation since i hear it come up a lot from people who want the game to be better".. Should get some proof, not just "hey stuff hapenned, i am obviously right"

[worthy oracle]

half the playerbase could easily die out if they continue repression

[severe iron]

I violated tos and got banned wtf

[worthy oracle]

I mean.. already losing investors, kekw

[vocal shard]

free @river phoenix

[ember portal]

those are 2 different sentences

[random badge]

Half is not even on this discord to begin with 🤣

[vocal shard]

Had a friend get banned for client use when he doesn't even use a client

[quick echo]

10 bucks they're gonna add a copyright system in the next few years lol

that is when it dies

[simple wyvern]

Nah they're invested. Can't blame em

[random badge]

Had couple friends like that as wel.. When i tried to help em.. They had some client files in their vrc folder 🤣 You should check on those ppl again 🤣

[severe iron]

I dont have vrc+ and boosted the server on a whim.
You still violated tos

[vocal shard]

@random badge LMAO as if you think i'd be stupid to not ask and check his files. he had nothing.

[ember portal]

welp imma head out of this toxicity from both sides

[boreal heath]

Can't remember if I've said this here or not but the whole non-malicious modding thing is like the whole debate on right-to-repair

[random badge]

Aren't we allowed to break tos? 🤣

[vocal shard]

I have a friend that was banned for just criticizing the devs

[random badge]

I mean... Imma leave it up to you 🤣

[vocal shard]

yea yea keep riding VRC's ______

[storm pilot]

i have a friend with information that will lead to the arrest of hillary clinton

[vocal shard]

They were new didn't even know how to get to the vrc files in steam but ok

[ripe kelp]

i was banned for "creating malicious tools" I DONT PROGRAM. i have never made a mod. and i appealed and they said no

[sick valley]

Ah this is still going? grabs popcorn

[worthy oracle]

here’s the thing though. you must question why people use them in the first place. if this game did not have as much issues as it does, people wouldn’t have as much desire or need to use and 3rd party mods

[random badge]

Pretty sure he violated TOS 🤣

[odd blaze]

They been at it for hours 🐌

[arctic elm]

man, I love you system but that's gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way

[restive sail]

14 hours approximately

[sick valley]

Poggers

[random badge]

Go to cannary and request changes other than breaking tos 👍

[severe iron]

What issues? I'm legit unaware of how mods make the game "better"

[vocal shard]

Which is absolute trash should of not been banned@ripe kelp

I think it would be a fun experiment to try flooding cvrs or neos servers

[ripe kelp]

like, if they want to see my github, they can, i dont have anything on it

[vocal shard]

go start some collective action with thousands

people getting banned for dumb crap. meanwhile people running around making racist avatars and animations. and such and nothing happens to them.

[quick echo]

if people are modding, theres prolly a reason. instead if shutting everything down, take a page from it, or better yet, ask the people working on it themselves.

censoring everything isnt gonna help anyone :/

[worthy oracle]

When had that ever done anything, there are some posts that get recognized a whole year later and nothing is done still. There are a lot of problems with the game

[vocal shard]

i love the fact i can get crashed in a lobby for having someone's base avatar shown

[worthy oracle]

and there is also a community passionate for making the experience better, and yet they are repressed

[random badge]

Idk.. maybe more like.. hmm Majority of updates? 🤣

[vocal shard]

no shaders, no particles nothing. just voice and avatar. and my game is dead. LOVE it

^^

[vocal shard]

That as well as CSAM....... seriously they need to get their priorities straight.

[random badge]

They get banned pretty often.. I see kids poof and poof actually

[worthy oracle]

I don’t

lol

[vocal shard]

suuuuure, you keep tabs of kids getting banned? doubt it

[vast tulip]

They are banned if reported and caught, in the same way

[ripe kelp]

every lobby i joined for months has been filled to the brim with quest children under ToS age, they arent going away

[ember portal]

You keep tabs on kids that sounds creppy

[random badge]

I simply friend everyone around xD And see them poof lmfao

[ripe kelp]

how can we report an underage user? there isnt an option for that

[vocal shard]

majority of black cat these days is all literal children.

[random badge]

Support page

[worthy oracle]

I’m getting tired of the conversation never going anywhere just like the games development so imma head out

[vocal shard]

thats why yall should start a collective action of thousands

[vestal delta]

thats why you go to great pug

[unreal verge]

It wasn't going anywhere for the past 12 hours

[vocal shard]

great pug is lag from hell

and there are still trolls

and children

[storm pilot]

i rly like drinking night for meeting ppl

[random badge]

The best way to waste time. Fun to see people annoyed when they're in the wrong.

[odd blaze]

🤢great pug, eh dont get me wrong i go there, just people LOVE going up and down the stairs constantly, could you guys stay still >_>

[placid gulch]

Man I am hanging out in the pug for like an hour now an haven't been crashed once. This is wonderful!

[ripe kelp]

ah yes, 100mb will take me about 10minutes to download. not everyone has 1gig

[quick echo]

yes i bet everyone wants to take off their headset, go over to a website, fumble with it for like 5 minutes learning the ui to report one person. multiple times.

[balmy dirge]

yeah it's been pretty nice tbh

[vocal shard]

I'm on a laptop you think i want to go to big ass worlds? no.

[ember portal]

Drinking night is good rarely see underaged people there too

[vocal shard]

I haven't got crashed in like 200 straight hours of black cat with no shields

[ripe kelp]

i crashed the day before i was banned

[vocal shard]

Also would be nice if the game didn't memory leak like crazy......why the hell does it need 11GBs of Vram on low settings????

[vestal delta]

dont have everyone enabled , theres less children, 100mb even with my shitty uk internet takes like 60 seconds tops , and its in your cache for next time you go there anyway?

[unreal verge]

I'm not siding with anyone here. I've my own opinions but i don't participate in this discussion.

[ripe kelp]

vrchat doesnt even auto implement their own particle limiter to the game. you need to go and add it yourself

[vocal shard]

I'm on a laptop, with NO ONE shown but friends and on wifi. LMAO

[ripe kelp]

which is step 1 in protection

[ember portal]

You here to watch the show as well?

[worthy oracle]

Yes, because obviously this game is perfect with absolutely no flaws whatsoever 🥱

[vocal shard]

Me either honestly but I still really think if they want some things changed they are gonna have to get thousands of people to boycott in some way shape or form

[late void]

I'm never bothered by kids but that's because I don't go to publics ¯_(ツ)_/¯ always private or friends+ and I never see any

[balmy dirge]

i got the popcorn

[vestal delta]

whats the laptop?

[vocal shard]

These shills are actually funny

rog strix with a 1660 in it

[ember portal]

Anything to go with em?

[severe iron]

And I'm not theirs

[unreal verge]

I'll let them do the job or whatever. I don't have the time to try to argue pros or cons a thousand times.

[late void]

While kids is definitely a problem in the game, maybe you guys should just stop going to publics???

[balmy dirge]

there's enough salt here, don't need any more

[quick echo]

that doesnt fix the root cause of the issue lol.

[tropic spoke]

sounds anti-social

[vestal delta]

ahh ok, not your specs at fault as a friend has a 1660 , maybe some other issue your end i guess

[vocal shard]

StOp GoInG tO pUbLiCs

[ember portal]

True and its just pouring in from both sides xD

[vocal shard]

You know, cause we want to make friends too.

[late void]

No..there's a bunch of strangers in big friends+ worlds so it's not antisocial. Just there's no kids there

[tropic spoke]

wHiLe KiDs Is DeFiNiTeLy A pRoBlEm In ThE gAmE, mAyBe YoU gUyS sHoUlD jUsT sToP gOiNg To PuBlIcS???

[quick echo]

people were trying to fix it themselves, but they're not allowed to apparently.

[vestal delta]

emm isnt used for ripping you dont know what you are on about.

[tropic spoke]

VRChat

[tepid flume]

From 40k to 10k users overnight

[late void]

Clearly y'all don't have giant vrchat friend groups I guess where friends+ has like 20+ people

[unreal verge]

Hi blu

[vocal shard]

doesn't matter if you have a big friend group or not

[worthy oracle]

Don’t speak when you don’t know anything of what you’re talking about. You don’t add to the discussion. Only spread misinformation.

[vocal shard]

the game is to be social. make more friends. but go off i guess

LMAO

[simple wyvern]

Watching SOA in anime apartment #43624. Come kick it

[quick echo]

lol

[late void]

Not everyone in friends+ is my friend tho. All I'm saying is it's a good way to avoid kids

[tepid flume]

You deserve a spot on reddit. Where people talk about all kinds of things they know nothing about

[worthy oracle]

true

[vocal shard]

still not a good way to avoid kids but go off

[restive sail]

I like meeting people so i go to public's. But me running a ryzen 3 2200g and no graphics card is very hard

[vocal shard]

I wonder what they did to threaten github into banning users

[unreal verge]

I know emm, that mod has no malicious features whatsoever

[late void]

The only time I see kids is in publics. So it kinda is

[vocal shard]

Lol.

[vestal delta]

not even protecting it , its not a feature of emm , its people with other mods in their vrchat.

[lone heron]

did someone say kids? 😳

[vocal shard]

If you say so

[worthy oracle]

I guess you wasted your degree then, LMAO

[random badge]

Who tf ate ur gpu? 🤣

[digital cloud]

they just asked us to deleteour mods to get unbanned from the game

[tepid flume]

Hi

[simple wyvern]

Sheesh this shit toxic

[restive sail]

No one

I have non

[sullen ice]

See, the problem is that there's not a big enough social media influencer on this to turn heads. They're going to slowmode this till it calms down, then they're going to pretend like none of this ever happened.

[random badge]

OOF

[storm pilot]

? how so?

[unreal verge]

Just that the thing you mentioned doesn't have anything you listed. They don't have any malicious features at all

[ripe kelp]

i have a degree, and i agree with requi. they are worthless

[tepid flume]

Sadly not. Please read up on the feature list of said mod and then return here for actual arguments

[worthy oracle]

Fr

[random badge]

mod is a mod = ban. ez

Ouch

[simple wyvern]

Come from where I come from and say degrees are worthless

[unreal verge]

Still spreading misinformation

[wind frost]

@vocal shard you are aware thats its not for ripping right...?

[vocal shard]

Argument lost lol

Damn banning people from the server now yikes.

[worthy oracle]

I don’t get your philosophy, perhaps it’s because you’re a streamer that you feel the need to defend dev team so hard

[tepid flume]

Please no deaththreats @mods

[sharp mica]

Way to be a victim....?

[storm pilot]

monkaS

[worthy oracle]

yeh, can you not stoop that low lol

[lone heron]

did someone say ✨ y o g a ✨

[vestal delta]

just letting you know that its not a feature of that specific mod calm down

[nova crater]

Ratio

[vocal shard]

so they ban Requi but not this person telling people to kill themselves

[sullen ice]

You've summoned the wrath of (at) everyone

[vocal shard]

makes absolute sense.

[boreal heath]

And they have been banned

[arctic elm]

adios

[unreal verge]

Neeko got yeeted

[worthy oracle]

rip

[vocal shard]

I reported that one

[random badge]

That's interesting take knowing that i streamed once a year with past 3 days playing only valorant and beat saber 🤣

[wind frost]

lol

[clear fog]

👀

[sharp mica]

Annnd Neeko is banned, lmao

[stable cargo]

gotheem

[worthy oracle]

Well.. we knew it was coming with that one.. idk about all that

[nova crater]

Gone.

[tepid flume]

Thanks

[wind frost]

@random badge do you use mods on beat saber

[sharp mica]

Don't be toxic in general

[unreal verge]

That escalated extremely quickly

[ripe kelp]

Trying to make vrchat a better place and get bonked

[random badge]

@wind frost Ya and Beat Games devs endorse mods so it's all good 👍

[wind frost]

fair is fair

[vestal delta]

dude was so up himself that when corrected in a nice manor tells people to kill themselves lmao

[vocal shard]

What a loser.... throwing death threats because you don't have an argument

Why is everyone arguing? This is a Friday and I'm just chilling...

[storm pilot]

that was wack

[stable cargo]

bruh its tuesday

[vocal shard]

oh lmao

[tepid flume]

Would you play beat saber without mods?

[restive sail]

Not even

[vocal shard]

It’s Wednesday here lmao

[quick echo]

vrchats censoring their playerbase again

[lone heron]

bruh its tuesday

[random badge]

Had to say that in this weird formal way cause someone would take it out of context 100% 🤣

[ripe kelp]

when competent coders try to fix the game, they ban them. the game is unplayable when they ban the modders that help but the modders that harm the game keep coming back with more accounts and more malicious features

[unreal verge]

It's actually against their tos too. It has to because of legal reasons and copyright.

[lone heron]

my guy cant even get his days right you good?

[sharp mica]

Anyone not in the bEST Time zone is irrelevant as far as time goes 😄

[worthy oracle]

we’ll actually see, beatsaber is alive because of the modding community for example, it adds a lot to the experience

[restive sail]

true

[lone heron]

gmt is decent ok

[storm pilot]

i think unplayable is a strech

[wind frost]

@random badge hahaha i get it

[sharp rose]

Open discussion is one thing, telling someone to hurt themselves is another. One of these is obviously okay, the other not. 😛

[lone heron]

wait no gbt

[sharp mica]

You mean like VRC?

[wind frost]

i love you

[worthy oracle]

this is where I can see a similar argument to be made for this game - if it’s not malicious, and it improves the experience, why repress it?

[ripe kelp]

i couldnt load into any world

kinda unplayable

[sullen ice]

I'd actually understand if BeatSaber was more hard-nosed about it....... With DMCA being crazy about that music copyright thing right now

[worthy oracle]

well yeah

[clear fog]

hi sir are you part of the moderation team

[storm pilot]

mods dont change server issue, thats a completely diff issue

[random badge]

Actually... It's not. Copyright stuff is not a thing since is separate hosted depository and custom song is in game itself, it's not a mod. depository + custom songs = anyone can do anything for private use.

[sharp mica]

No, He's staff

[wind frost]

agreed entirely, but instead lest snipe some pople who fly instead of swatting rippers :)

[clear fog]

if they're staff they must be part of a team

[tropic spoke]

someone got banned for malicious avatars but had no avatars on their account

[clear fog]

like devops, community manager

[quick echo]

or try to fix terrible ik.

[worthy oracle]

Is the Ik really that bad though?

[quick echo]

ye

[tepid flume]

I agree on that

[worthy oracle]

Like I’ve seen multiple people comment on it

[ripe kelp]

or me banned for creating clients when i dont even know how to code

[sharp mica]

Actual question: Why Doesn't VRC use the SteamVR IK?

[worthy oracle]

I mean, I don’t have FBT so maybe I don’t understand

[wind frost]

non issue if i ignore it

[lone heron]

vrc=🧂

[arctic elm]

yeah the ik is kinda weird with fbt. your viewport kinda slides out of your head sometimes

[sharp mica]

Also: 11 and 13 point tracking, when?

[vocal shard]

It's still going huh

[worthy oracle]

oh, yeah I’ve heard of that

[sullen ice]

I give it about a week, then people will suddenly forget until the next ban wave happens.

[sharp mica]

They tried to fix this, but it still happens pretty regularly, Especially if you have a chair that leans back, or if you slouch a bit when sitting.

[vocal shard]

Something along yeah, mod creators will probs still continue

Basically this activity is intended for one purpose to punish mod users and force them to get VRC+ if they those features.....this is pretty simple really.

[arctic elm]

yeah the recent fbt changes helped a little, but it def happens a lot still. especially when laying down

[wind frost]

most people with mods i assume also had vrc plus

[clear fog]

they will, some won't, some of them asked to be unbanned and decided to quit modding after being unbanned

[lone heron]

does anyone elses cat just start singing in arabic? no? just mine? aight

[sharp mica]

I've seen a few people with a mod that tries to compensate for that, but... Well, you see how that's going.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, fair enough

[arctic elm]

oh yeah, most of my friends with fbt have that mod lmao

[wind frost]

why are they so hard on mods has their been some like statements on why they hate mods so fervently

[clear fog]

but I can assure you all wholesome mods left behind will be maintained

[worthy oracle]

I feel like a lot of people that do use mods are ones that support the game the most - it’s not like they pray on the games downfall lol

A lot of longtime players

[sharp mica]

Probably because it enhances the game experience *cough* *cough*

[charred drum]

well, and to demonstrate to investors or potential buyers that they have control over their client and platform

[quick echo]

cus they do it better than the dev team lol

[sullen ice]

bingo.

[ember portal]

Because mods are against ToS

[candid acorn]

1. It makes them look bad when they fix things they haven't fixed in years
2. It oversteps on their monetization schemes

[rancid jewel]

kitchen cooks had an update
now you can cook brunch stuff

[worthy oracle]

pog

[wind frost]

you are a numpty shut up

[stable cargo]

I'd like to see some metrics on how successful VRC+ has been

[sharp mica]

Whilst simultaneously alienating a decent chunk of their playerbase while competitors are on the horizon, and fast approaching..... Brilliant!

[arctic elm]

tbf vrc could ban everyone using mods easily if they wanted to, but it's kinda the quid pro quo atm. soo many people use mods they'd lose most of their most loyal players.

[severe iron]

I will never work brunch again not even in vr

[wind frost]

i think that may be the idea however wasnt something said about investors earlier?

[rancid jewel]

lolr

[ember portal]

Hey i wish mods was endorsed just reporting what they are saying

[worthy oracle]

Literally would cut the playerbase in half

[charred drum]

what's a few thousand power users compared to some 50,000 quest users they'll get in the next year or whenever?

[severe iron]

Server load problems would be gone

[wind frost]

thats not a reason thats a rulling

[lone heron]

[clear fog]

I'd say at least 1/4 of the player base idk

[sharp mica]

Right, but if they had been more targeted about this approach, they probably wouldn't have caused this shitstorm

[quartz wave]

at least the servers would be fine

[candid acorn]

You can't rely on investors forever. At a certain point investments need to be paid back.

Also, investment money isn't constant. It will run out eventually

[clear fog]

servers are fine tho
devops team has been keeping it good

[sharp mica]

tbf they're clearly struggling to support the 30k concurrent players they have already

[charred drum]

they could try to court Facebook, sell to them

[quick echo]

complacency doesnt help the root cause

[random badge]

30k online and u assume 1/4 of it use mods xD where majority of it are most likely quest users

[arctic elm]

welp i gotta go study airplanes, see y'all later 🤠

[ember portal]

But its the reason they have given for banning mod makers

[sullen ice]

Twitch just went through this same thing with their banwave. Same with Facebook and their banwave. Same with Amazon and their dethroning of a social media platform. It's a weird trend that people like to do when they have to prove to someone that they are "controlling the problem"

[quartz wave]

most of the time

[worthy oracle]

true xD

[sharp mica]

Hence VRC+

[wind frost]

yes im aware of that which is why they roled out vrc+ however the idea was that they dont entirely own the game which sounds like bs

[candid acorn]

How horrifying.
But no, Facebook has their own vr ecosystem

[charred drum]

why not buy VRC for the userbase, then integarte it or extinguish it?

[worthy oracle]

actually though, gotta applaud the devs responsible for servers

[charred drum]

conslidate competition early

[candid acorn]

No interest from the zucc right now

[worthy oracle]

It was lame for quite a while

[wind frost]

i meant jsut mods in general tbf

[quick echo]

more like a "vr dead bush"

[worthy oracle]

but it’s been getting better

[charred drum]

it'd probably cost about 24 hours of revenue for them

[clear fog]

I could tell you how much quest users are approximately sec

[sharp mica]

I would have to disagree.. I understand that they're struggling, but more transparency would make the issues less frusturating when they do happen

[charred drum]

they've gotten better about server status recently

[ember portal]

Mods are against ToS there for they ban people with then thats their reason

[wind frost]

you make me suffer

[candid acorn]

Ok wise guy.
but why
Against tos isn't an answer

[worthy oracle]

lol

[sharp mica]

Have you played at all this week? Login was F&$@$! literally last night

[wind frost]

THERE

[charred drum]

but there were announcements this time, and status.vrchat.com

[lone heron]

how long should i cook my potatoes for?

[worthy oracle]

but they said that

[swift copper]

It's actually a significant issue from a disability standpoint. I know people with gender or body dysphoria who find a light and opportunity for development and freedom from suffering in being able to see themselves in another body, interacting with others through VRChat. I know there are people with autism who are able to touch and accept touch from others specifically thanks to the distance VRChat provides, and grow as people because of it.

A very significant part of that is being able to touch another user's hair, ear, tail or other in a show of affection, using Colliders and Dynamic Bones. This is not a base functionality of VRChat for some reason.

Yes, the ToS prohibits modifications of the game, and the developers don't owe anyone anything... but VRChat deciding to ban the people who fought to implement this functionality can be a huge slap in the face for people who find real freedom in the service and benefit from it the most of all, and who have few alternatives.

[sullen ice]

Long enough

[sharp mica]

An hour after it happened, and problems persisted almost an hour after they said they were fixed.

[worldly summit]

Quest users can't easily buy VRC+

[random badge]

5-7 minutes in campfire

[ember portal]

Idk why 🤷 just know it is and wish it wasnt

[lone heron]

thank you#

[charred drum]

is there no ecosystem for them? some app store

[lone heron]

how do i get a campfire?

[charred drum]

or a Facebook app store thing

[worldly summit]

It's Steam only

[candid acorn]

Thats what the past day of moaning and griping on here has been over

[worthy oracle]

at the least it was announced

[random badge]

Amazon or Ebay.. There's everything

[charred drum]

surely Facebook has some kind of app store on the Quest. VRC probably wants to go up for sale on that, get a new revenue stream, even if it means giving up 70% to Facebook

[lone heron]

ill check them out now

[vocal shard]

Player to player collision is planned, but likely under a new in house system that is more perfomant, as dynamic bones are incredibly taxing

[worthy oracle]

No please

[sharp mica]

Is there a roadmap for this? Nobody knows what VRC team is ever really working on until they're ready to kick it out the door too early...

[worthy oracle]

If this game was sold to Facebook

hell nah

[wind frost]

now with vrc plus

[vocal shard]

Bottom line it's all about the money

[languid mason]

only a canny

[frail temple]

No please

[quick echo]

money ruins everything

[candid acorn]

vrchat
timetables
Pick one

[worldly summit]

Canny isn't a roadmap. It's an issue tracker

[random badge]

I mean.. by cooperation with oculus.. they technically cooperate with facebook 🤣

[clear fog]

32k online rn
14k are steam users (according to steam)
that's 50% approximately
I'd say 1/5 maybe idk

[languid mason]

i don't know how thats related, it's still marked on the canny :v

i can link it if you want

[sullen ice]

I love the words "new in house system". That gives me PTSD with all the phone platforms I work on where the dev team did a "platform update" and had my client base screaming.

[worthy oracle]

Well true.. but like if the ownership was full on transferred, oh nononono

[vocal shard]

They can't make money off mods.....so mods are banned

[worldly summit]

Roadmaps indicate a time on when something is (probably) going to be finished

[lone heron]

do i get a campfire or a bob ross the joy of painting video?

[restive sail]

🤣 cringe

[wind frost]

this was an issue even before vrc plus sorry brain dmg

[languid mason]

sorry i don't get the point you're trying to make, if any

[kindred wave]

bob ross video

[lone heron]

thank you

[languid mason]

it is planned, or at least considered

[ember portal]

Joy painting video for relaxation

[raw ivy]

the thing is, people who use mods are the same people with VRC+

[random badge]

So now from steam users imagine that majority is actually not using mods.. Only people playing longer, knowing more wiwll reach for mods. Plus there is part of older people that just dont want mods

[worthy oracle]

true

[vocal shard]

Not really

[worthy oracle]

yes really

[vocal shard]

"New In house platform" They cant even implement a damn patch well, you think a new platform is going to go well?

But as a few of the dev team has stated before, they aren't actually free to work on everything they want to when they want. As the investors own part of the game and controll where money is used, they can push development, so it's a struggle to balance keeping investors happy with what they want, as well as the community with things they want. It's a long road, but things are working towards working with community wants more

[candid acorn]

The roadmap issue with anything in vrc is "not anytime soon" because most of the things that the community prioritizes, are not things that the devs prioritize

[sick valley]

someone bleach my eyes please

[swift copper]

It probably is all about money, but allowing users to implement disability-alleviating tools in private servers or sessions holds no inherent risk and could even earn VRChat as a business bonus points on the PR end.

[raw ivy]

@vocal shard In my experience, the only people I know with VRC+, are mod users.

[worldly summit]

Meaning, it could be next week, next month or in about 5 years. You don't know when things are going to be fixed. Since some people really want those features, there are people that going to mod it in.

[lone heron]

sure if you bleach mine aswell

[magic loom]

hello

[worthy oracle]

This is good news to say the least

[sick valley]

Deal

[languid mason]

all i commented is that its on the canny, thats it

[lone heron]

rude

[wind frost]

yes really ALMOST every vrc plus player interaction ive had has admitted to using mods

[clear fog]

wish we had mod stats but the modding community is pretty big imo

[lone heron]

CREEPER aww man

[worthy oracle]

so we back in the mine

[lone heron]

got our pickax swinging from

side to side

[worthy oracle]

side side to side

[crimson rock]

hey sorry to bother how do i stream videos from youtube to vrchat

[random badge]

It only look like that cause u look for them imo.. When u have knowledge about something u seem to value it more.. Sad nature of a human being XD

[lone heron]

what would happen if i sent the entire bee movie script?

[candid acorn]

Is it though

[vocal shard]

Everyone I know with VRC+ are content creators who specifically can't use mods

[wind frost]

well than what do the investors want with the game?

[worthy oracle]

I meant the last sentence really

[sharp mica]

90% of the issue is that the VRC team never conveys this to their community - We're totally in the dark, and there's no Leadup PR or roadmap for when we can expect improvements, and sudden action like the banning of mod creators like today leaves the community lost and confused - as many people rely on teh fixes that, for all we know, may never make it to the game mainstream.

[vocal shard]

VRC+. They want their money back

[clear fog]

I am part of it as a former modder so I know how big it is 🤔

[wind frost]

content creators sont use mods OPENLY since they could run into issues

[candid acorn]

Was a whole lot of nothing.

[raw ivy]

this

[stable cargo]

also this

[worthy oracle]

Working towards what the community wants more.. though I can’t seem to see it but y’know

[sharp mica]

Not seeing a lot of word about new features for VRC+, either.... Most of the people who bought it did so to support the game - not because the benifits are good

[wind frost]

i unserstand that lmao, then whats the issue with fixing some of the issues now that monetization systems have been rolled out ?

[candid acorn]

Sadly I'll believe it when I see it with anything vrchat and "working towards what the community wants"

[random badge]

Kinda fills up my point with valuing stuff that ur a part off... It's like me with beat saber.. community seems huge but actuall thing is probably not even 1/4 of everything

[lone heron]

where we landing bois?!

[worthy oracle]

same

[vocal shard]

Ya know what helps with me buying +?? A damn game that actively fixes the issues that keep being a problem in the game. Why would I pay, if problems continue to persist for a year?

[gleaming pewter]

Hi

[obtuse torrent]

hi

[kindred wave]

Hello

[worthy oracle]

true, more people would buy if the development seemed worthwhile and changing for the better

[vocal shard]

wingapo

[random badge]

And example of the problem is?

[worthy oracle]

sometimes it seems nothing is happening

of most of the time really, ngl

[obtuse torrent]

host glitch

[worthy oracle]

although, the updates as of recent have been better

[sullen ice]

I can see where that dynamic pressures a team to having to implement changes. It's not like a totally indie dev where you have full control to implement what you want. I'm honestly very forgiving about that since I have to deal with a lot of top-down pushes for change (or lack thereof) in my own company, but at the same time, because I see it on the regular, this situation mirrors my work frustrations. Where things that should be fixed can't because of the yellow tape. Things that don't need fixing get prioritized because it looks good on paper, even things that might frustrate the community. In the end, the investor is more of a customer than the community, which creates this dynamic.

[clear fog]

who has beat saber on PCVR and doesn't use mods what

[unreal verge]

Idk how big it actually is. Can only tell from my friends where almost everyone is using mods. But the community is probably big seeing as this discussion is going on for about 12 hours already and more. Can't tell how big it is as the only way to comparise it is the amount of members in the related Discord servers which doesn't say much and only gives a rough amount.

[vocal shard]

Audio bug, issues have been seen since April of last year, they just started looking into it a week ago

[clear fog]

even bs quest users have mods

[sharp mica]

"looking into it".... whatever that means for when we can actually expect a fix

[candid acorn]

Sure but that good will of "I want to give back to the devs" only goes so far at 100 dollarydoos a year when it only gives you a fancy icon and ability to send dick pics

[wind frost]

server istability, lack of user comfort, crashing, no saftey that works for world crashers, weird sound cutting off, and ect. there are so many issues right now all over the platform man

[vocal shard]

Very true

[light pivot]

I pay because I've easily cost them more than the year's subscription, because I want them to be increasingly independent from their investors by having their own income stream, and because I've spent an enormous amount of time using their platform so they're welcome to at least that much.

[candid acorn]

At a certain point you expect something for that money

[random badge]

It wasn't that bad.. People were never complaining too much about it and were laughing about it.. No wonder it was not ASAP problem 🤷‍♂️

[worthy oracle]

The audio bug has existed for far longer than “April last year”

[vocal shard]

They don't allow mods because they don't have the means to profit from it. It's that simple

[sharp mica]

Yes, that is the point I was trying to make. Glad you understood.

[vocal shard]

i have had nights where it hits me 6 times in a 3 hour gap

[boreal heath]

It's only gotten more widespread since they fixed the master stutter glitch

[wind frost]

having to resart teh app to talk to people is a huge issue ?

[severe iron]

Shoulda gone to Vegas rip

[random badge]

That actually sounds hilaarious and i can assume but most of that waw topic of the laugh 🤣

[worthy oracle]

fix one, another appears 😤

[raw ivy]

@random badge Do you play custom songs in Beat Saber?

[obtuse torrent]

you have to exit the game to fix it thats nothing people normally laugh at

[random badge]

@raw ivy Ye

[wind frost]

bsaber endorses mods

[candid acorn]

It was a bit rarer, and the kinds of issues were different. The current strain of audio bug is way more severe, and happens way more often

[sharp mica]

Which is why it's neccessary to have good QA and keep ontop of experience-ruining bugs....

[astral root]

How do I add friends or accept friend requests.

[worthy oracle]

dude the fact that we even reach 20 fps already goes to show how bad this game is bruh

20 fps?

[vocal shard]

I miss developer streams

[random badge]

Prolly that's why they pushed it to work on it faster.

[worthy oracle]

m e too

[candid acorn]

Tough luck, vrc says "get a better pc :^)"

[sharp mica]

Even with a 5900x and a 3090, the game averages ~58fps on average on an Index.

[ripe kelp]

or that you cant click on anyone if you have below 20fps. but hey, there was a mod that fixed that

[worthy oracle]

honestly the fact that it’s even necessary just sucks lol

[stable cargo]

disagree, bad content creation is often more the culprit here

[sharp mica]

Or Menus being completely unusable when falling.....

[vocal shard]

I miss the basic communication of issues from devs/staff to users.

[worthy oracle]

but you’re right, for some reason that bug has been in the game since dawn of its time

[vocal shard]

Because the game self bottlenecks

[restive sail]

I cant click on people without 20 fps aa

[light pivot]

Lol. I'm running a 5950x and a 3090 with 250% supersampling on Index and don't average anywhere near that low. Then again I suppose the people I spend time around aren't rocking thousands of collision checks and 50 materials a piece.

[candid acorn]

"Noooo you can't just fix a bug we havent fixed in 3 years, stop that!"

[random badge]

What's ur point? Beat Games endorses mods and even mentions them in the FAQ as for FPS issues etc. and if u read their EULA on steam there's NOTHING about third part software/modifying gaame.. It's totally opposite to VRC

[worthy oracle]

Well it’s a mix of both. The game can handle it better but it doesn’t. I can run a 4K game at better frames than this game.

[sullen ice]

My running joke is that the game itself is a giant memory leak :v

[worldly summit]

Ah don't worry about the 20 fps bug, they started working on it after 2.2 years 😄

[raw ivy]

@random badge In the TOS, it is technically not allowed.

[vocal shard]

Oh it's ridiculous how much ram you need

[random badge]

Sure that's a bug? 90% of uploaded stuff is not optimized

[worldly summit]

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/unable-to-select-player-when-having-less-than-20fps

[oak dust]

5600X and a 3060TI OC and only average 50FPS. its like the game is unoptimized or something

[random badge]

There is no such a thing in beat saber's tos XD

[worthy oracle]

Point is, beatsaber is so successful because of the mods. If VRChat endorsed QoL mods or implemented those changes it would be better for the game

[ember portal]

I think everyone agrees on more transparency from VRC dev team is highly encouraged.

[vocal shard]

I don't know if it's true, but someone said to allocate vrc in task manager to use cores 1,2,3,4 if you're on an AMD system, because amd stacks the cores differently than intel, and the engine might struggle a bit more trying to skip cores

[candid acorn]

Bad content only goes so far. We don't really stop and think about the kind of hoops we have to jump through to make performance worlds

[raw ivy]

4.2.5. edit, merge, distribute, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble the Beat Saber game unless specifically permitted in this Agreement, by our prior consent, or by the mandatory rules of the applicable law;```

[worldly summit]

Submitted november 2018, in progress as of 5 days ago

[wind frost]

sounds likea shit creator

[worthy oracle]

For real

[obtuse torrent]

safety settings and still low fps but sure the unoptimized avatar next to that I cant see is the problem

[sharp mica]

Menu's not working when you are falling in-game is not a content issue, it is a game design issue.
Clarification: Your character/avatar is falling downwards, pulled by gravity.

[ripe kelp]

inprogress right after the mod came out

[frail temple]

I run a crumy toaster pc i dont get enough 20 fps. So i have to have very person hidden just to be in a public

[candid acorn]

Whoops, my bad, meant to reply to the post above you

[ember portal]

Maybe could be

[worthy oracle]

only just maybe a little bit unoptimized, not a whole lot though, get a 3090 and 5950x and maybe you’ll gain like 3 more frames on average. Kekw

[random badge]

Mr.smartboi, no one mentioned that so obviously it was excluded. If u wanna be smart say something urself and don't addup to people. Then I can answer you 🤷‍♂️

[raw ivy]

@random badge My point is just because something is in TOS, doesn't make it automatically invulnerable to criticism.

[fiery dragon]

i run vr on 40fps and it runs fine lol

[obtuse torrent]

pickles

[vestal delta]

oof

[vocal shard]

I play the game with the desktop low graphics preset, and my 7th gen i7 handles the game pretty well like that

[vocal shard]

Didnt you mention Optimization though? Smart huh

[kindred wave]

gomm

[fiery dragon]

not always, sometimes ill get ~90fps in more optimised worlds

[random badge]

It's not in their TOS its not in their eula either. Idk where u getting that crap from but i just read their stuff to answer someone else XD

[oak dust]

I'd love to get 3 more frames, its a huge goal with VRchat xD

[sharp mica]

Sounds like something that could be done as default for specific platforms as part of an optimization uptdate. Or, at the very least, officially verified and released. Otherwise, you're relying on the goodwill of the community to fix things for you, some of which Suprise, suprise take form as mods

[raw ivy]

What if Beat Saber started enforcing that, would you just sit there and say it was against TOS so it doesn't matter? @random badge

[worthy oracle]

hiding every avatar doesn’t save that much frames tbh. some lobbies are just laggy cause they are, it’s the game at that point.

[ember portal]

I will say the game can rally go to become a slideshow when lots of people are around even if you hide everyones avatars

[random badge]

again.. it is allowed. stop spreading misinformation.. they mention that in twitteer posts, their FAQ and there is nothing in EULA

[worthy oracle]

haha

[candid acorn]

"How dare you use mods to fix things we won't >:("

[light pivot]

The deal here is you want to limit VRC to one CCX/CCD on Ryzen systems to avoid communication over infinity fabric. Not just for VRC, either, other games benefit. I gained ~10 FPS in a busy, CPU-heavy room by limiting VRC to one of my CCX (I'm on a 5950x, so that was eight of my sixteen cores -- 5950x CCX/CCD size is 8 cores).

[vocal shard]

THIS

[sharp mica]

With the highest-end hardware you can get, you shouldn't "have" to play in "low quality" mode.

[raw ivy]

@random badge https://store.steampowered.com/eula/620980_eula_0

[vocal shard]

Ah okie

[kindred wave]

"Stop improving your experience please no"

[vestal delta]

luckily interpolation is a thing

[random badge]

I read that already. Which part u pointing me on..

[worthy oracle]

content is always blamed yet you can have everything hidden and still get shit performance /:

[vocal shard]

YOure very uninformed.... work on that, read a bit, then come debate

[light pivot]

@worthy oracle yeah no, I attended a stress test with an uncapped instance. With minimal avatars, I only got down to 60 fps at 139 people in the room.

[candid acorn]

"Please stop showing up our devs. Stop that"

[sullen ice]

I still don't understand why they don't onboard certain known community modders under the agreement they remove the mods from public consumption and bring their work on the platform as "experimental features"

[raw ivy]

@random badge