Idk where that is. I’m not the smartest :((
#vrchat-general-2
fossil gull
vocal shard
Well, I searched but nothing yet
vocal shard
Idk where that is. I’m not the smartest :((
In Europe, don't worry^^
open crescent
in belgium of course
vocal shard
West, small country by germany and netherlands
fossil gull
how come I never heard of it, I used to live in netherlands :((
open crescent
not gonna lie, your geography knowledge is not very good
but it's never too late to learn
vocal shard
Mine?
open crescent
not you
vocal shard
Well, belgium is small and it's under the netherlands
open crescent
they make good chocolate
fossil root
@ruby burrow https://streamable.com/c4eoih its probably less shit than you think
ruby burrow
Well that's doing better than I've seen before, notably on sitting down and getting on the floor, but still mostly matches what I described doesn't it?
random fjord
ruby burrow
Simple motions like stepping side to side had very noticeable "float".
The sitting worked decently well. The laying down wasn't really serviceable in that gif.
So, good for casual interaction, but not really up to task for dancing or true freedom of poses, without noticeable compromise.
open crescent
well it's still pretty good for what it costs
but if you can afford the vive tracker setup, it's pretty cooler
ruby burrow
Mhmm. Is all relative to what you want from it, and what you have.
We really just need new kinect style hardware built for VR, but no one has stepped up to that task yet.
Spare Facebook, but they're dragging their heels on it due to a bizarre notion that it has to be holywood mo-cap level perfection that is able to render fully realistic humans and their clothing into VR.
Just sell a camera system that can animate a humanoid rig already. They have the tech for it.
open crescent
there's a new kinect, you can use that too if you want. But the limitations don't change much I think
well now that I think about it I'm not sure if kinect2vr works with the new kinect
open crescent
Just sell a camera system that can animate a humanoid rig already. They have the...
but that's exactly what the kinect does what do you mean?
ruby burrow
Do it better. ._.
ruby burrow
As great as lighthouse tracking is, it does have limitations. And in future I'd hope to see those eventually over come.
open crescent
maybe vr suits are the future, we'll see in a few years I guess
ruby burrow
Lighthouse tracking is battery hungry, and not the most practical to expand on beyond 6 point tracking.
For accurately capturing arms and knees, chest and shoulders, etc, it's just more setup hassle than anyone but avid VR dancers are likely to put up with.
And even for them, it's something of a hindrance being strapped up with that much stuff.
open crescent
I guess a combination of lighthouse and suit would be nice
ruby burrow
Something suit based I could sort of imagine.
open crescent
lighthouse for general position, the suit for all the tracking points
dark vale
Or they can work with tech they have and comeup with more games for vr
open crescent
well it's generally different people that make the tech and the games
but it's always good for technology to advance
ruby burrow
Yeah. Different things. Car people make cars, road people build roads.
dark vale
Smart cars yes. Smart roads?
open crescent
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say
ruby burrow
Not all tech ends up being valuable, or ready for purpose at the time it arrives.
Better body tracking though? We can totally do, and it totally has a valuable place in VR.
open crescent
ye we are still pretty far from ready player one style tracking
and the hollywood mo cap systems cost several thousand dollars
there will come a time when we have something as good at a reasonably affordable price
ruby burrow
Demand will come in time. Once Quest helps push VR towards the mainstream. People will start to look into VR media more, and the moment people see footage of FBT they'll start asking how they can have this thing themselves.
Which will provide demand for both better and cheaper options for FBT.
Which will also allow game developers to make better use of it, such as in games like Pavlov or other shooters, where they'd massively benefit from just hip tracking alone.
bright sorrel
is there a lfg channel?
ruby burrow
Rather than having the awkward "tac vest hanging vertically from your neck" inventory system that nearly all VR shooters currently do.
open crescent
technically there is the #vrchat-general-1 I guess.... but you can always play the game and go to public worlds
yeah it's so frustrating that full body tracking is so rare still
open crescent
pleaseeeee I need it
pseudo basalt
But with trackers designed for fbt
ruby burrow
I'd be fine with worn trackers (though good god please improve the software for pairing the trackers).
Ah, gotcha.
pseudo basalt
Well, the problem with vive trackers is that they're general purpose, which is fine
But they're big and bulky
ruby burrow
Tundra thankfully working on that.
pseudo basalt
Yes, looking promising
I'm sure more will crop up with time, but it's really taking a long time for some reason
open crescent
I remember seeing at least one tracker suit kickstarter, looked interesting but until it's a real product it's hard to know if it will work nicely
ruby burrow
I just want better pairing software and an upgrade for the dongles. <_>
pseudo basalt
Suits are probably a little too much for me, for now
open crescent
why's that?
pseudo basalt
But I'm gonna back the tundra trackers if I have the money
ruby burrow
It's awful. xD
open crescent
It's awful. xD
damn lol
pseudo basalt
Too early and expensive
ruby burrow
Trying to pair Vive trackers is like performing a magical ritual.
open crescent
I want to put my hopes up with the tundras but I'm scared it will just be another kickstarter delayed for 5 years
and cancelled in the end or something
ruby burrow
If you do anything out of order, they get confused, pair to the headset, double pair to one dongle, just don't pair whatsoever for no apparent reason, etc etc. And it's a pain in the butt to undo and start again.
open crescent
If you do anything out of order, they get confused, pair to the headset, double ...
one of my trackers one day decided that it just wouldn't turn on, until you connect it via USB, then you can pair it and disconnect it, WTF?
ruby burrow
Yep. That kinda thing.
open crescent
(sometimes it decides it now works again)
ruby burrow
They're temperamental in illogical ways.
regal furnace
one of my trackers one day decided that it just wouldn't turn on, until you conn...
happens sometimes, jumpstarting them always works, so i dont see a issue with it
open crescent
happens sometimes, jumpstarting them always works, so i dont see a issue with it
it's a pain in the ass to do that every time, that's the issue
regal furnace
i know, my hip tracker wouldnt turn on for some time, but somehow it fixed itself and now its the right foot that wont start always
open crescent
lol
ruby burrow
Most of the time so long as you've succeeded once, they'll happily just work from then on, just with weird quirks. But if you need to do something like swap headset (eg between Vive and Index) where you have to re-pair them all fully, they are horrible to work with.
pseudo basalt
It's gonna be exciting when I get fbt one day
From scuffed avatars to scuffed software
Looking forward to it
ruby burrow
Geddit. :v
open crescent
It's gonna be exciting when I get fbt one day
besides the annoying stuff, it's pretty cool, totally recommended
regal furnace
fbt changed the way vrchat feels for me, i definetly would reccomend it if you already consider it but not 100% sure yet
ruby burrow
To be honest I have no idea if it's Vives fault, Valves fault, or a combination of both.
open crescent
To be honest I have no idea if it's Vives fault, Valves fault, or a combination ...
htc's fault
regal furnace
its especially awesome when you started in desktop mode
pseudo basalt
I started with vr but I'm often times not using it nowadays
It's not very comfortable
open crescent
I started with vr but I'm often times not using it nowadays
why not? which headset are you using?
pseudo basalt
From eye strain to headaches to bad fps, it's really just not worth the hassle
ruby burrow
I started with VR. Never even touched VRC in desktop mode, despite knowing I could.
pseudo basalt
vive with a low-mid tier pc
ruby burrow
Upgraded to FBT within about 5 months of owning VR.
Then upgraded to an Index 6 months after that. xD
regal furnace
desktop mode is good for testing quick stuff or looking for avatars you know are FB compatible and you are just too lazy to get into vr
open crescent
vive with a low-mid tier pc
I see :/ yeah low framerates are the main cause of motion sickness in my opinion
pseudo basalt
No motion sickness, just general low comfort
regal furnace
motion sickness was pretty fun actually
pseudo basalt
Feels hot and the face cover burns my face after a while
Just not a great headset altogether
ruby burrow
Oof. Not got the audio strap I'm guessing?
pseudo basalt
I feel like I need a better pc and headset to properly enjoy vr because the novelty wore off years ago
open crescent
have you tried using a face cover from vrcover as a replacement maybe?
pseudo basalt
I do the audio strap yeah
ruby burrow
Oh, or perhaps you have one of the early Vives? The heavier ones?
pseudo basalt
vrcover covers were even worse
open crescent
lol
pseudo basalt
that fake leathery thing feels awful
ruby burrow
I bought some cheap VR covers. Can second that.
pseudo basalt
i used it for a while but I dunno how people recommend it so much
open crescent
sorry to hear that
pseudo basalt
I think i got mine from vrcover?
ruby burrow
There's presumably good ones too, but not the ones I bought.
vocal shard
They get paid to recommend it
pseudo basalt
you'd see more people complain about them then
ruby burrow
Mine were some random chinese brand. The surface was alright, but the edges of it had these sharp plastic knives that dug into my cheeks.
open crescent
I use a vrcover with my index. Honestly the default one is probably nicer, BUT there's an issue with that. It's cloth so as you use it it will accumulate sweat, and end up in a not so good condition. So a cover although a bit less nice, avoids that
ruby burrow
Literally couldn't wear them for even 30 minutes.
vocal shard
hi
open crescent
Literally couldn't wear them for even 30 minutes.
hehehe
pseudo basalt
I think the cover thing depends on your face as well
inner cape
I use my cv1 through pain every time. As Pumkin said, novelty worn off long time ago. What feels like a 4 pixel resolution is horrible, and the vr covers I have, out of fabric, also feel weird and uncofortable.
pseudo basalt
The fake leather thing could work for some people, but i prefer fabric, if only it didn't get oily and awful
open crescent
did any of you use the vuzix wrap 1200 vr? now THAT was a nice hmd 😛
vocal shard
Hello
ruby burrow
I feel like good advice for regular VR users, is to get a spare facial interface sooner rather than later.
open crescent
The fake leather thing could work for some people, but i prefer fabric, if only ...
wiping the cover is necessary yeah.
pseudo basalt
it's nice for a few hours after I wash it but it takes ages to dry
all things combined i just don't bother with vr for vrchat
ruby burrow
Avoid the trap of feeling like you can't clean the one you have, because you want to use it in a moment and it won't be fully dry in time.
pseudo basalt
I sometimes clean it but other times i'm just lazy
ruby burrow
For the Index I use isopropol. Basically rubbing alcohol.
pseudo basalt
I just rinse mine
ruby burrow
Is quick drying due to being mainly alcohol, and don't degrade the more sensitive memory foam that they Index uses.
Soapy water is a no go for the index. Will gradually melt the foam.
pseudo basalt
I just rinse with water alone and it's fine for the vive
ruby burrow
Said foam is also very good at trapping moisture, which makes it an ideal breeding ground for bacteria that survive the anti-bac fabric.
So isopropol solves all those issues nicely.
open crescent
use a flamethrower to be sure
ruby burrow
Yeah, Vive foam is coarser and not harmed by regular soapy water.
pseudo basalt
I dunno if a better face cover would fix my issues, but I'd think so
ruby burrow
Index uses nicer stuff, but it's comparatively "fussy" about correct cleaning.
pseudo basalt
I do get eyestrain headaches from pc use tho, and happens faster in vr
So I'm really not sure what i'd need to properly enjoy vr
ruby burrow
I get eye strain from PC use, but not VR use curiously enough.
open crescent
I do get eyestrain headaches from pc use tho, and happens faster in vr
I think a lot of the times this happens because we tend to blink less while looking at a monitor, try to consciously remember to blink regularly 😛
ruby burrow
Maybe better FoV and lack of screen door would help you?
pseudo basalt
It might just
ruby burrow
More freedom to exercise your eyes properly, and less focus requried.
pseudo basalt
Screen door bothers me quite a lot actually
inner cape
Its index time for you
pseudo basalt
It's a massive pain to buy and import things in this place
I already have index controllers and when they die, i won't even be able to rma them
ruby burrow
I'm good at phasing it out, but obviously less is always better. Index basically has none. Just becomes a matter of resolution instead.
arctic elm
uk? or aus?
open crescent
to be honest, even with the vuzix wrap 1200vr ( single screen, 1280x720), and the original oculus rift (don't remember of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 single screen), it was so cool I could endure the screendoor
ruby burrow
Things feel clear, but there's still a limit to how far you can make out detail.
open crescent
but modern technology is so much better indeed
ruby burrow
Oh snap. :x
vocal shard
Kronk
west yoke
to be honest, even with the vuzix wrap 1200vr ( single screen, 1280x720), and th...
The CV1?
ruby burrow
Yeah. Getting an Index without the ability to RMA it... sounds pretty scary. <_>
open crescent
I already have index controllers and when they die, i won't even be able to rma ...
are you in australia?
ruby burrow
I've had to get my cable replaced twice now.
open crescent
I don't know why the index is so unavailable in australia, valve doesn't like kangaroos apparently
vocal shard
Cause it will fly off peoples heads
ruby burrow
If they just sold the damn things, I'd be plenty willing to pay for a spare or too. But only option is RMA.
ruby burrow
Anywah, I should have been in bed two hours ago. :x
west yoke
I highly doubt either of those reached 1920 x 1080 per eye then as the CV1 is 1080 x 1200 per eye
ruby burrow
Later Austrailios and morning EU peeps.
open crescent
I highly doubt either of those reached 1920 x 1080 per eye then as the CV1 is 10...
no it was a single screen, nowhere near 1920x1080 per eye, that's why the screendoor was so visible
1280 x 800 screen, 640 x 800 per eye. Looked it up
and 60Hz
pseudo basalt
are you in australia?
no i'm in eastern europe
open crescent
not part of the EU?
pseudo basalt
no
open crescent
I see
pseudo basalt
i could probably import it through a eu country but it's a hassle
and with how notoriously bad the build quality is, it's not worth it
because i won't be able to rma it
open crescent
it feels risky indeed
time to write a letter a day to valve in an effort to convince them to open up shop
pseudo basalt
my friend got index controllers a bit after me and one of his thumbsticks already lost touch sensitivity
open crescent
damn
pseudo basalt
no chance, outside the EU
we're lumped in with russian and friends
my controllers are still fine but who knows for how long
open crescent
my index is working fine up to now but yeah after reading about so many failures I feel the risk. At least in my case the RMA is still possible in case something happens
pseudo basalt
plus, i have a 1060 with a i5-6500
buying an index is dumb
before I upgrade my pc
open crescent
it'd probably be a good idea to upgrade the pc first, yes
pseudo basalt
which is currently super hard
pseudo basalt
there's not much of it left
open crescent
lmao (；ﾟДﾟ)
you can maybe get a used card from 2000 series for a reasonable price
now that 3000 is all the rage
charred bolt
hey guys does anyone here know how to use full body tracking on a quest 2? saw someone using it today and it got me curious lol
west yoke
Is this Standalone Quest?
charred bolt
oculus link
open crescent
either kinect, or you need to buy the lighthouse base stations and htc vive trackers. (and have a good pc of course)
west yoke
webcam is a option too
charred bolt
you can do it with a webcam??
i would imagine it wouldn't be as responsive though right?
open crescent
yeah the quality is not very good but you can try it I guess
correct
kinect is better, but of course the vive trackers are the best option
charred bolt
hmmm i'll look in to the webcam and if its too poor quality then i'll invest in the vive trackers later when i save up a little more
thanks guys!!
west yoke
this method works surprisingly well https://github.com/ju1ce/April-Tag-VR-FullBody-Tracker
There are also full on neural network options (with poor tracking quality and require a beefy GPU)
narrow crater
i know this question is probably asked a bunch but i was wondering which is better for vrchat - the Rift S or just the CV1 Rift? ive been told by many people that im better off getting the cv1
full jetty
Cv1 is fine but if you have money the s has better resolution
narrow crater
nah i wont be getting the quest. it's specifically between those two headsets/the vive
open crescent
why _
narrow crater
Cv1 is fine but if you have money the s has better resolution
thank you!! i knew there had to be some difference
and im definitely more interested in better resolution
inner cape
CV1 is not worth unless you really have no money.
full jetty
Controllers are also different and tracking too but in my.own experience cv1 is ok
open crescent
and rift s is expensive enough that the quest 2 is a better option
narrow crater
thankfully i have a decent budget so money isn't a big issue. the two things i'd be big on is tracking and resolution
open crescent
if money is not an issue consider getting a valve index
vocal shard
hello
narrow crater
im looking for an inside out headset specifically. dont have the room for base stations
open crescent
why do you not want the quest then?
umbral reef
Unless your playspace is literally outdoors you have enough space for base stations
lunar root
im looking for an inside out headset specifically. dont have the room for base s...
cv1 has sensors wdym
narrow crater
because there's better quality out there for my budget
narrow crater
Unless your playspace is literally outdoors you have enough space for base stati...
im under a bunk bed if that helps
umbral reef
My room itself is like 4x3M and my playspace is 2x1.5M
open crescent
the quest 2 has better quality than the other oculus headsets
umbral reef
Literally cant walk beside forwards and backwards in my playspace and the base stations track perfectly
narrow crater
https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/images/products/svaerta-loft-bed-frame-silver-colour__0636263_PE697763_S5.JPG?f=s for reference this is how much space i'm working with - can't stand either becus im against a wall. so i'll be playing seated
open crescent
go quest 2, it is the best option out of all the oculus headsets
narrow crater
i dont know if that's enough space for a play area
open crescent
valve index is better but you do need the base stations of course
narrow crater
go quest 2, it is the best option out of all the oculus headsets
dude. i already gave u my answer to that lol
open crescent
dude. i already gave u my answer to that lol
your answer is wrong
lunar root
dude. i already gave u my answer to that lol
wasn't your answer i don't need base stations? quest 2 doesn't have base stations
open crescent
and it has better quality than rift S and CV1, also CV1 needs the cameras
narrow crater
but i dont want a quest. please lmao
open crescent
well you're not making a lot of sense here
narrow crater
im buying a used headset. quests arent on ebay/donedeal rn
lunar root
ohhhhhhhhh ok
open crescent
I see
lunar root
im borrreeed
vocal shard
hi borrreeed, I'm Svel
languid beacon
hi borrreeed, I'm Svel
vocal shard
every time
lunar root
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148294847889932288/808804260438736916/w...
tom scott good
vocal shard
i am getting unusual client behavior all the time even tho i have vanulla files
lunar root
maybe try clearing your cache
languid beacon
Yeah I get booted for unusual client behavior quite a bit. If it’s intended for modified client detection stuff it gets false positives a lot.
vocal shard
i reinstalled vrc
languid beacon
I doubt it’s you
languid beacon
Every two minutes?! Well, in their defense, it sounds like your client is behaving pretty unusually.
languid beacon
Sorry, confusing terminology, the actual real game app is also called a client.
languid beacon
I doubt you can; perhaps #user-support-old has some advice, but I think it’s a bug.
grim shore
Hey guys can someone Help me like i download vrchat like 3 days ago so i don't now that much the problem is this i don't know what i did in my game but now all people are mutated and i can't see anyone's avatar can help me
vocal shard
sounds like your gpu is scrambling avatars did it just start doing that weird thing today or has it always happened
grim shore
No i think i click on a Key our something in the game
old stump
the term should be "modified client" but norm convention turns that into just "client"
open crescent
"mod" is less confusing
open crescent
Hey guys can someone Help me like i download vrchat like 3 days ago so i don't n...
do you have a very old gpu
grim shore
do you have a very old gpu
Is a GeForce mx130 and i play on a laptop
old stump
could be that gpu doesnt officially support dx11
grim shore
But i play the first day and the second with any problem
old stump
what if you try to run with "-force-d3d9" on the launch option to force it to run on dx9
grim shore
I problably press something on the game and then this think Started to happend
Because if i go to the menu i can unblock the person’s avatar and demute people and it’s like before
old stump
have you checked the safety settings?
old stump
set it normal first, and see what will happen
vocal shard
I'm an idiot XD
vital acorn
cold dome
You're going to absolutely love it.
@ruby needle What's the best used headset to buy?
I don't feel as though anything new is worth the money right now.
cold dome
It says someone has a new sealed in box rift S for $250 locally
That seems hard to turn down, even hating facebook
warped hull
The Quest 2 is $299 new, it's by far the best value headset as long as you can accept the facebook login
Wireless, option to use with PC wirelessly even, 50% more resolution than the valve index
Best used with a few additional accessories for comfort though, so add at least another $50 maybe, depending on which accessories you buy
cold dome
The Quest 2 is $299 new, it's by far the best value headset as long as you can a...
quest 2? really?
I just built a 5600x/32gb ram/3080 build. Am I limiting myself in some way with quest 2?
warped hull
Yes, it's crazy good for $299
woven phoenix
quest 2? really?
I got the quest 2 256gb it’s good and it is very promising
cold dome
It's got more resolution? I didn't know that
cold dome
I already use FB anyway, so its not the end of the world
grave quartz
50%? Better resolution? What when xd
warped hull
It's better than the other Oculus headsets in every way. The only consumer headset that has a little more resolution is the Reverb G2 for double the price. The valve index has a higher refresh rate and field of view and is more comfortable/has better audio out of the box, but is $1000
woven phoenix
I already use FB anyway, so its not the end of the world
Exactly what I said lol when I found out
warped hull
The Quest 2 is excellent for $299 and being able to do wireless PCVR is very nice if you have the specs and router for it
woven phoenix
You can use a link cord to make it a rift for your quest 2
cold dome
is that better?
woven phoenix
It’s good
tough lance
Hey guys can someone Help me like i download vrchat like 3 days ago so i don't n...
you probably accidently turned on safe mode, go to the "Safety" menu and reset the custom settings
warped hull
It has about 20ms latency with an ideal setup, which is not a problem for almost all games. However to be fair, it is noticeable for a select few games that require very rapid and precise tracking, like beat saber. Those are few and far between though and it's perfect for most games
But most games like that have a native Quest 2 version that's just fine as well
cold dome
It has about 20ms latency with an ideal setup, which is not a problem for almost...
That's just wireless pc mode? I can use it standalone or with link cable for 0 latency?
If I use link mode I can see all the avatars in vrc?
woven phoenix
That's just wireless pc mode? I can use it standalone or with link cable for 0 l...
You can use it standalone and use it connected to your pc both are good options
warped hull
No, the link cable has latency too, about the same amount. It's a little more than a traditional PCVR headset because it's a compressed video signal being sent over USB or Wifi
woven phoenix
If I use link mode I can see all the avatars in vrc?
Sadly no but you can use pc avatars and worlds
warped hull
Believe me though it's not a problem 99% of the game, I use mine wirelessly with my PC all the time
That's not true, using it in link mode or with virtual desktop (the wireless app) is the same as connecting any PCVR headset to your computer
cold dome
Sadly no but you can use pc avatars and worlds
that might be the dealbreaker for me
warped hull
It would be the full version of VRChat
cold dome
oh, so no latency, and all the features?
warped hull
As I said there is still a bit of latency
woven phoenix
that might be the dealbreaker for me
Ik
warped hull
But it is minor and you will definitely not notice it while playing VRChat or most games
woven phoenix
But you can still click on the avatars and see em
cold dome
is it really 50% more res? never heard that
woven phoenix
It’s just a pain tho
warped hull
That is if you have a good wireless router and not a lot of congestion, or are using link
It's 50% more than the Index yes, almost a full 4k
And spread across less FOV too
west yoke
But you can still click on the avatars and see em
I don't think Legend is talking about Standalone Quest here.
woven phoenix
I don't think Legend is talking about Standalone Quest here.
I was talking to legend lol about the quest 2 and using the link cable
warped hull
Just bear in mind that to use it wireless you will need a good AC or AX router and not a lot of competing networks nearby, ideally, and to have the router close to where you're playing, ideally in the same room
west yoke
Sadly no but you can use pc avatars and worlds
Sure but then you made this comment which doesn't really make sense in that context
warped hull
I actually can use mine upstairs for VRChat without issues, depends on the walls in your house and the router and all that
woven phoenix
Sure but then you made this comment which doesn't really make sense in that cont...
Ic good to know ig
cold dome
Just bear in mind that to use it wireless you will need a good AC or AX router a...
my router is 10 feet away in the basement of my own house
no signal issues here
warped hull
If it's 10 feet away and AC or above and you don't have a lot of other networks around, you'd probably be good
cold dome
yes, it is
warped hull
Virtual Desktop costs 20 dollars, well worth the investment
grave quartz
I need to get one
warped hull
I can't recommend the Quest 2 enough to anyone who is okay with the facebook aspect. The main thing to keep in mind is that the default strap and audio are not great. The mic is excellent though, possibly better than the index
cold dome
Is the rift s better than quest 2 in any way?
warped hull
Yeah in comfort
grave quartz
Wait
warped hull
But not specs-wise. My recommended setup is actually to get a Vive Deluxe Audio Strap for an extra $99 and the $20 adapter to use it with the Quest 2, if you want an awesome setup
cold dome
I can't recommend the Quest 2 enough to anyone who is okay with the facebook asp...
I have high end headphones but it might start to get bulky and I don't know if they would fit
woven phoenix
I bought the elite strap,knuckle straps and ect for the quest 2 so I’d be more comfortable using it
warped hull
Oh also Legend, the Quest 2 runs on a battery of course, so your wireless playtime is limited to 3-4 hours. However you can velcro or magnet attach a small $20 battery pack to the back to extend it to 8 hours or more
grave quartz
Does the quest 2 have fingers?
warped hull
And that actually improves the comfort slightly as well, since it acts as a bit of a counterweight on the front-heavy headset
cold dome
Does the quest 2 have fingers?
I'm wondering the same
cold dome
Oh also Legend, the Quest 2 runs on a battery of course, so your wireless playti...
3-4 hours would be ok. Does it have a power plug to run it from the wall?
grave quartz
Oof batterys
woven phoenix
3-4 hours would be ok. Does it have a power plug to run it from the wall?
Yes
warped hull
It doesn't have Index's finger tracking, no. TBH that is a very under-used feature and is overhyped in my opinion, but if it's something you want you'd have to get the index
vocal shard
not exactly but you can do all 8 of vrchat gestures
cold dome
It doesn't have Index's finger tracking, no. TBH that is a very under-used featu...
I really need finger tracking, thats why I returned my oddy+
warped hull
It has a USB C charging port. You can always plug it in if you're getting low on battery (and not using a battery pack)
vocal shard
its not really tracking like index knuckes
grave quartz
I use the finger tracking all the time wymm
warped hull
It has hand tracking, as in your actual hands, that you can use in some apps but it's not great, not really used much or accurate enough right now
vocal shard
basically yeah
warped hull
Oh well I mean, you can do all the hand gestures with the controllers if that's all you mean
grave quartz
@cold dome index might be your best fit if you have money tho
cold dome
<@426860632516591628> index might be your best fit if you have money tho
Might wait for index 2 w/ better res
woven phoenix
I’m probably getting the index again
warped hull
Hand gestures are determined based on a combination of finger position and capacitive sensors
vocal shard
you press certain buttons to make gestures and some can tell if your pointer finger is out or your opening your hanf
grave quartz
Resolution isnt bad
woven phoenix
I'm in the decagear preorder, too.
Aye Sames
warped hull
Index just tracks the position of your individual fingers, you can still do the required hand gestures for the game on the Quest 2
woven phoenix
I’m gonna do a review on the decagear when it comes out
woven phoenix
Mhm
warped hull
Has anyone actually gotten their hands on that yet?
vocal shard
hopefully it lives up
woven phoenix
And hip tracking
cold dome
Has anyone actually gotten their hands on that yet?
it's not out yet
warped hull
Yeah but I mean pre-release reviews
cold dome
Soon™️
woven phoenix
I can’t wait for it
warped hull
It sounds like a great deal if the tracking and quality control are there
cold dome
yeah I added the wireless battery to my preorder
woven phoenix
yeah I added the wireless battery to my preorder
Ngl who wouldn’t do that
warped hull
The tracking quality is probably the biggest unknown that I would be wary of, from a headset from an unknown brand
Nobody does inside out tracking on the level of Oculus so far
woven phoenix
The tracking quality is probably the biggest unknown that I would be wary of, fr...
True
west yoke
Yeah HTC tried it and failed pretty badly at it so we'll see
woven phoenix
As long as it works it works and if it works better than described imma scream with happiness
lunar root
oculus is so pog
warped hull
The G2 is pretty great but the tracking isn't quite on the level of oculus
lunar root
im getting a cv1 soon best vr headset for a bit over my budget
warped hull
Even if the tracking is good but not as good as the Oculus, it would still be a fine option
vocal shard
isnt that like 200
woven phoenix
Even if the tracking is good but not *as* good as the Oculus, it would still be ...
True
vocal shard
probably got the good tracking from the massive data farming
warped hull
You don't need the best tracking for a lot of stuff. But if you're getting into competitive VR esports or high level beat saber you might want really good tracking
vocal shard
lighthouse is better
woven phoenix
I wanna have full body tracking that’s smooth and doesn’t be buggy sometimes
cold dome
You don't need *the best* tracking for a lot of stuff. But if you're getting int...
I just want something for vrc tbh, I didn't find anything else that really sold me on VR the same way. Still waiting for that "killer app". for now, its VRC
part of why I hesitate to spend 1k on index, just for vrc
grave quartz
Theres many other games you can play
vocal shard
i have a quest and it has lag like every 20-30 seconds on vrc
woven phoenix
I’m prob gonna get every vrheadset that I can get my hands on
vocal shard
quest 2 works fine for me on vrc
woven phoenix
quest 2 works fine for me on vrc
Same here
warped hull
VRChat is an extremely unoptimized game (mostly because of user-created content), so playing VRChat in standalone mode is never gonna be a super smooth experience on Quest or Quest 2 with their mobile chips
cold dome
Would you go quest 2 for 300 or rift s for 250? @vocal shard @woven phoenix
warped hull
But in PCVR mode it's no different than any other headset, barring bad network quality if you're doing wireless PCVR
vocal shard
quest 2 anyday but I got a not great laptop
cold dome
I have an extremely powerful gaming PC, if that affects my choice
vocal shard
i have a 5ghz router its fine on pc but vrc on quest is laggy
warped hull
Well it's also much higher resolution than almost all the other options so if your PC isn't up to the task you would get lag for that reason also
vocal shard
I still think id get a 2 honestly
warped hull
Definitely Quest 2
vocal shard
Yeah i got to lower the res to play better
warped hull
It's much more modern
woven phoenix
Would you go quest 2 for 300 or rift s for 250? <@456226577798135808> <@!7490168...
Fuck that’s a tricky question
Since the rift s does full body tracking hmmm I would still go with quest 2 tho and might rn get the rift s in the future later on for my collection
vocal shard
quest can do fullbody tho
cold dome
Fuck that’s a tricky question
Since the rift s does full body tracking hmmm I w...
how would rift s do fbt?
thought thats outside in
warped hull
The operating system on Quest 2 is really nice and it boots up and does everything really responsively, it's great to use
woven phoenix
Mhm
warped hull
Being able to chill in another room even in bed for example hanging out on VRChat in wireless mode is really nice
vocal shard
they have trackers installed into the headset so you cant use fullbody without lighthouse
vocal shard
Being able to chill in another room even in bed for example hanging out on VRCha...
yeah ^
woven phoenix
The quest 2 is a good headset for beginners going into VRchat
I definitely was happy when I first used the quest 2 in VRchat
warped hull
It's one of the only headsets anyone should be buying right now in my opinion
The only other options worth considering are the index and reverb G2
woven phoenix
It's one of the only headsets anyone should be buying right now in my opinion
Yeah
warped hull
It eclipses all older headsets in just about every way
cold dome
Is reverb g2 really worth $600
vocal shard
you should get a og vive or reverb
warped hull
The OG vive is extremely dated
woven phoenix
Is reverb g2 really worth $600
I heard it’s good
warped hull
The G2 is the best-looking screen of any headset if that's important to you
It's got a bit more resolution than the Quest 2 and no compression, and good lenses
woven phoenix
Screen isn’t important it’s just the tracking I’m interested in
vocal shard
i actualy dont care about graphicx i am more a tracking fa
I think your autocorrect is off g
cold dome
I just spent $1350 on a 48" oled monitor so I don't want to spend 600-1000 on a vr headset if I dont have to. I also don't want to compromise too heavily though. Quest 2 sounds like a nice choice because it works both with my pc and without when I'm on the go. I also like the higher resolution. Someone was saying though that Rift S would have less latency when connected to a pc, for me, thats a big deal, if true. I'm very sensitive to latency
warped hull
The Quest 2 is about 4 times the resolution of the Vive, so if you care about image quality at all it's not even in the conversation in 2021
cold dome
The Quest 2 is about 4 times the resolution of the Vive, so if you care about im...
I care deeply about image quality, I just bought the best monitor on earth because it means so much to me
woven phoenix
I just spent $1350 on a 48" oled monitor so I don't want to spend 600-1000 on a ...
Get the quest 2 it’s ur best option
cold dome
so I definitely want something that looks great
vocal shard
I havent sensed latency but I dont really know what to look for
cold dome
Get the quest 2 it’s ur best option
it really does sound nice
only 300....
and I have $50 at best buy rn
woven phoenix
so I definitely want something that looks great
As a person who owns the 256gb version that’s the one you should get
cold dome
so it would be $250
woven phoenix
More games and more space
warped hull
I own the 64GB version and would actually say it's fine for most people
cold dome
More games and more space
I might only use it for VRC lol
thats pretty much why I'm buying it, tbh
warped hull
Quest 2 games are really small, if you're not storing a bunch of media on it and don't need access to 50 games at a time it's plenty
woven phoenix
Same here
cold dome
I wasnt all that impressed with all the other vr games out there
woven phoenix
I only use my quest for vrchat lol
cold dome
vrc is special
woven phoenix
I love VRchat
woven phoenix
vrc is special
Okay imma friend you now for saying this
Get the quest 2 I think ur gonna be impressed with it
It’s a really good product
cold dome
Makes me wonder what decagear offers vs quest 2, better controls and a bit more res?
woven phoenix
I got mine for Christmas and Jesus Christ I was crying because of how good everything felt to me
cold dome
and no fb 😂
vocal shard
not being facebook is one
woven phoenix
True
warped hull
Just keep in mind that decagear is a completely unknown brand, everything should be taken with a huge grain of salt until a lot of reviews are out
woven phoenix
The deca will come in a few months so no need to rush right
warped hull
The price point is suspect, there are probably going to be compromises
woven phoenix
Mhm
cold dome
The price point is suspect, there are probably going to be compromises
keep in mind it will cost more at release
the preorder is a special deal
woven phoenix
Mhm
warped hull
How much of a deal?
woven phoenix
It’ll cost like $500 something
cold dome
I've read it will be 600 at release
woven phoenix
Holy shit they bring it up?!
woven phoenix
you might be right, it could be 500
I’ve did a shit ton of research
I hope I’m right
Lol
cold dome
you could ask in the discord probably, the devs respond directly its pretty cool
warped hull
Just keep in mind how much the index controllers alone cost, they're claiming to offer that and a lot more and the headset for $500
woven phoenix
Ic
warped hull
It might actually be great but it's not something I would pre-order
woven phoenix
I spent 5 hours researching everything about it
warped hull
Pre-orders are risky enough when it comes to known brands
woven phoenix
There is still much to be researched
cold dome
It might actually be great but it's not something I would pre-order
its fully refundable so I preordered to keep my options open
woven phoenix
its fully refundable so I preordered to keep my options open
Good
warped hull
That's good then, if it's a no questions asked type thing
cold dome
I did it even prepared for the fact I might never get it back (unlikely imo)
I've spent more on a mcd meal
woven phoenix
Mhm
woven phoenix
I've spent more on a mcd meal
Lol
Legend do you wanna hang in vrc when u get ur headset bud?
warped hull
I just saw that their site says it's built with games like VRChat specifically in mind. But surely the face tracking stuff would need to be explicitly supported by the VRChat SDK
woven phoenix
I’m gonna be free almost everyday to play vrchat soon
warped hull
I'm actually not sure I want people in VR to know what my actual facial expression looks like lol
cold dome
I just saw that their site says it's built with games like VRChat specifically i...
once the hardware is out there we should start to see more of that
cold dome
I'm actually not sure I want people in VR to know what my actual facial expressi...
I think it would make it so much more immersive
it could be a real gamechanger if they did it well
warped hull
Not necessarily, the Quest 2 is the most popular VR headset ever and they have not offered any updates for it over the regular Quest version
woven phoenix
I'm actually not sure I want people in VR to know what my actual facial expressi...
I’m completely fine with it the funnier the face the better
warped hull
No additional shaders supported or features whitelisted or anything
cold dome
Legend do you wanna hang in vrc when u get ur headset bud?
yeah for sure
woven phoenix
yeah for sure
Hell yeah I’ll dm ya my VRchat username mate
cinder elk
does anyone know where the default cache directory is located?
vocal shard
tfw texturing is kinda fun
cinder elk
someone ping me if they know
strange dragon
yea
lilac briar
anyone recommend a server or someone who's open on avatar suggestions?
peak bramble
anyone having connection problems atm?
round oak
yep
thorny nacelle
Yep
peak bramble
damn
vocal shard
weee
cold dome
A review of quest 2: "I also have the Quest 1. I decided to keep both. Horror games look better on the original due to its OLED display, perfect blacks."
How worried should I be about the black levels? They're very important to me
vocal shard
Bruh, vrchat keeps taking me to murder 4 and I don't even wanna be tehre
peak bramble
Bruh, vrchat keeps taking me to murder 4 and I don't even wanna be tehre
there's some kind of server shit going on atm
cold dome
they're fixing it now
vocal shard
there's some kind of server shit going on atm
Reeeeee
peak bramble
they're fixing it now
how d'ya know?
lusty ether
yeah its down for me aswell
cold dome
how d'ya know?
just trying to be optimistic
peak bramble
oh fair enough lol
cold dome
there are 4 vrchat team members online rn so I'd assume they know something is going on
peak bramble
it seems like some players are unaffected which is weird
vocal shard
And I jumped world again
fleet pine
vocal shard
i think it might just be eu people
lusty ether
pls fix servers i need to burn my retinas to stay awake
vocal shard
oh no
lusty ether
hey, im tryna fix my sleeping schedule
peak bramble
i think it might just be eu people
my friend's in the eu and they're working fine
lusty ether
im in Belgium and cant log in
vocal shard
mine wasnt working but it seems fine now
yeah im in uk and its not working
nm seems to be up now
yeah;/
twilit tusk
Also in Europe and can't login.
flat crown
Fixed!
twilit tusk
Good!
clever canopy
does anyone have a goofy grape avatar thats optimized for quest?
cinder elk
anyone know where default cache is stored ;-;
acoustic musk
Vrchat don’t do me like this again fix ur bloody servers it’s taking the piss now
graceful lotus
Are the VRC Servers Down Cause I can’t Log In 😅
hushed belfry
down again
pine pollen
i take dibs on blaming kubernetes~
winged cradle
i also cant login
robust thunder
They're probably down rn then
winged cradle
iservers seem to be up, but you cant login
vital wasp
i mean.. im in a world right now
vocal shard
i play on the desktop with any vr headsets what are the best? i was thinking buying the quest ones but i don't understand abt vr headsets
pine pollen
i mean.. im in a world right now
Partial downtime's possible, given the scalability of VRChat, they likely have login and the game separated
winged cradle
i play on the desktop with any vr headsets what are the best? i was thinking buy...
if you plan to go full body then either vive or index
winged cradle
if cheaper then quest 2 with link should be fine
muted wharf
i take dibs on blaming kubernetes~
we don't use k8s lmao
pine pollen
we don't use k8s lmao
i'll still blame k8s because it's painful
I'd much rather use Hashicorp nomad but Gitpod refuses to work otherwise >.< [because everything has to be built on k8s nowadays ree]
peak bramble
any updates?
lusty ether
Rift S > Quest
muted wharf
I mean, can't blame k8s if it literally doesn't exist in our stack
muted wharf
winged cradle
i was able to log in just now
strange dragon
muted wharf
Either way, seems to be somewhat regional, we're workin on it.
pine pollen
Alrighty, hope to see an update soon, really wanted to get on today!
umbral reef
Tried moving the region IRL yet Nyx?
Like why havent you strapped some rockets to the place and moved it a bit, should solve it.
strange dragon
pine pollen
wouldn't that just be moving the problem? (i'll see myself out)
muted wharf
Sorry, we're in the middle of moving our hosting to be using Starlink (/s, if you really really need it for some reason)
pine pollen
ngl that's something i'd do for fun
strange dragon
umbral reef
Should move it to be audio based, like build a big network of speakers and receivers and just yell all the information over the air
muted wharf
bass-boosted morse code being blasted across the US
pine pollen
ohno
stark forge
muted wharf
ohyes
pine pollen
i mean, to be fair, that'd be slower than fiber-
stark forge
Sorry, we're in the middle of moving our hosting to be using Starlink (/s, if yo...
Starlink?
muted wharf
not if you listen, like really really fast
stark forge
i am too uncultured
pine pollen
but- the physical properties of sound!11!
umbral reef
Physics is a government conspiracy anyway
You just have to program it to listen faster and it will be solved
muted wharf
Starlink?
Someone got frustrated with Comcast and essentially: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
pine pollen
yay i no-longer have spotify premium, time to pull out foobar
surreal crypt
Bruh, vrchat keeps taking me to murder 4 and I don't even wanna be tehre
You will be murdered.
pine pollen
and won't have a say in how?
surreal crypt
no
pine pollen
but- i had my murder all planned out-
surreal crypt
it's knife or nothin
pine pollen
i wanted to be pushed off of the roof of an IKEA while eating meatballs tho
robust thunder
they said knife or nothing
pine pollen
FINE- I'll take the knife-
surreal crypt
or maybe you'll be the murderer
in which case you will be gunned
robust thunder
electric chair?
pine pollen
uhh, how about something more visually appealing
pine pollen
eeeeeh, I was thinking something more like "the insanity room"
but i'll take it.. i guess?
robust thunder
vocal shard
elon m has more satelites up than nasa
isnt starlink gonna be free when they fully implement it?
like free satelite internet access from everywhere in the world?
robust thunder
I have no idea
languid beacon
like free satelite internet access from everywhere in the world?
That’s not how capitalism works, so I doubt it.
pine pollen
$100/mo IIRC is the price for Starlink
vocal shard
That’s not how capitalism works, so I doubt it.
the initial plan of it was it. also i highly doubt he and tesla need to worry about money. same with valve
languid beacon
need to and want to are two different things!
vocal shard
thats why valve is doing free rmas if u have issues with ur stuff even after warranty expiry
pine pollen
Nothing is free. If it is, then you're the product.
pine pollen
Not really a conspiracy, but you do you.
surreal crypt
~~Nothing is free. If it *is*, then *you're* the product.~~
while this isn't entirely false it's also nothing new or entirely avoidable
not worth worrying about
pine pollen
while this isn't entirely false it's also nothing new or entirely avoidable
not ...
Of course it ain't new, Facebook's been doing it for a decade or so.
Maybe even more tbh
languid beacon
Not sure when basic economics became tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, but okie dokie! folds self
muted wharf
VRChat's free and we don't sell data :v
pine pollen
VRChat's free and we don't sell data :v
yes but vrchat technically has vrc+
surreal crypt
Not sure when basic economics became tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, but okie d...
into what? a crane? a crab? a ninja star?
muted wharf
Which only happened two months ago
glossy wedge
pine pollen
Fair, but at the same time, your business model isn't based off of displaying ads to people lol
vocal shard
so still wondering when will starlink reach whole world and be free
glossy wedge
Starlink?
languid beacon
VRChat is using the Discord method of monetization. It and discord are the only two I’ve seen use this method, unless I’m thinking about it wrong.
glossy wedge
Vrplus is a thing
vocal shard
texas gonna get free starlink internet in 2021
as for a global free starlink internet maybe years i guess
still something
languid beacon
Free is unsustainable. Maybe they’ll have an optional Starlink Plus.
vocal shard
opening posibilities in internet restricted places like china or n korea to reach information. love it
i think it is a thing now
it was 1k $
a year or so
with 100mb dl. but with lag cause obviously satelites
the cost is lower now i think? idunno. havent followed the topic in a few. maybe i would if i was in the us
languid beacon
But the idea that some nice rich people are going to give a service for free because they don’t need the money and just want to make the world better... ho boy. No that’s not a thing, lol.
vocal shard
:} you need to chill out there. not everyone is a spineless suit. you are just generalizing it. and generalization in general is bad and leads to wrongthink
or so. english is not my 1st language
but i do hope u catch my drift.
surreal crypt
twitch does a similar thing to nitro and vrc+
you pay a monthly fee for more funny pngs to use
languid beacon
I’ll believe it when I see it :p
hollow verge
Hey question could I get a suggestion on a roleplay server? I’d like to watch or be in a roleplay. I like larping irl
regal furnace
UPD has open patrol till march
surreal crypt
just grab a plague doctor avatar and head to murder or smth
regal furnace
United Police department, the other part of the old LPD from 2019
vocal shard
why not let him join the loli police department and catch baddies
regal furnace
the UPD is in general much smaller, and therefor much closer together than the LPD
hollow verge
So police department pretty big in it?
vocal shard
there is always work to do i guess
hollow verge
Ah okay. I’ll look into that thanks. I do airsoft rp irl
regal furnace
neat
just a small tip: we dont have a station at the moment as it was deleted by our old chief who left us at the end of january. me and 3 others are working on a better and newer station which should be ready till march
vocal shard
how many ppl in general? o.o
hollow verge
That’s pretty neat still
regal furnace
around 1.5k people on the server and maybe 250 people officer?
hollow verge
Could you dm me a website or anything for it?
regal furnace
ok not 250, maybe 150 at most
hollow verge
Pretty good number
vocal shard
i think i met the upd on new years eve
regal furnace
thats quite possible
vocal shard
it was certainly not the lpd. we had a blast and there was a ton of stuff happening there and out of the blue came a female officer saying " ok so idunno which one of you is in charge but im not filling a report when we go back about what was happening here"
as we had billy herrington+ his twin horse had marriage. with celebratory miniguns shot in the air.
good times tho xd
regal furnace
you can notice the difference between the UPD and LPD by looking at the badges on the shoulder, the light blue/white one is UPD, the deep blue/yellow one is LPD. also the LPD usually has dark blue shirts and black pants while the UPD has blue shirts and pants
vocal shard
yeah. totally the upd
hollow verge
They do know fashion
vocal shard
regal furnace
as someone who is/was in both the LPD and UPD, the UPD avatars look a lot better
gusty dust
cinder elk
does anyone know where the default cache is stored
regal furnace
AppData\LocalLow\VRchat
opaque shard
Did you guys see this? https://github.com/ju1ce/April-Tag-VR-FullBody-Tracker
vocal shard
so you have to face the camera at all time
can't turn around
and can't sit or lay down without a whole struggle
seems pretty limited to me
surreal crypt
i tried that but couldn't get it to work out so i just bought a used kinect v1
has the same limitation of not being able to turn normally (with the software i'm using, at least--there is one that does some form of turning but strictly tracks lower body), but it gets the job done
languid beacon
Kinect is no Vive trackers,  but it’s not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. If you just want some lower body language for when you are standing, it gets the job done.
vocal shard
Did you guys see this? https://github.com/ju1ce/April-Tag-VR-FullBody-Tracker
this is amazing
noble depot
Kinect is no Vive trackers,  but it’s not nearly as bad as everyone makes it ou...
^
I'm personally hoping that the Tundra trackers will deliver o:
lethal jay
Even when they come out though it might take a while for games to support them
opaque shard
Tundra Trackers?
surreal crypt
you get what you pay for
and considering what little i paid i'm very happy with what i got
vocal shard
fuck htc at this point with their overpriced permanently out of stock bullshit
opaque shard
I thought about buying some trackers.
lethal jay
I mean if you have vive trackers already then it's pretty good but yeah
surreal crypt
only thing is i have a totem pole of boxes propping the kinect up behind my pc lol
surprisingly more stable than it should be
noble depot
Tundra Trackers?
They're cheaper and smaller alternatives to the Vive trackers: https://www.tundratracker.com/
also I don't think they'd have compatibility issues, since they'd be detected as a SteamVR device/HTC tracker? o:
They have a short video of the tracking working on their website (and the dude swinging it around by the charge cable lol)
opaque shard
Oh wow, they come with straps?
surreal crypt
pretty sure they wouldn't have compatibility issues since that's the entire point of openvr being
well
open
noble depot
I don't think if they come with straps, but they're planned to have two faceplates, one that has a built-in loop for a strap/shoelaces, and another with a standard tripod thread on it
vocal shard
it almsot sounds too good to be true
still would be hard to put em on trackstrap+
but man am i hyped for them
and am concerned bout battery life
dont forget about it
lethal jay
I mean I don't think they sound to good to be true, the only difference is that they are smaller and cheaper
vocal shard
apparently double the life compared to htc trackers
noble depot
I mean, it looks like most of it's weight is battery lol https://www.tundratracker.com/?pgid=kj1suylr-23509b84-3120-49ea-89b2-d6049298f768
surreal crypt
in a way it is, i've heard they're going to be $280 total which isn't exactly the massive discount people probably hoped for
but they seem to be good in general prices be damned
vocal shard
3 vive trackers would cost 500+ bucks for me
noble depot
plus the tracking bits are (presumably) off-the-shelf, so that gives me hope on them delivering
also, no official price has been announced yet, afaik
vocal shard
so 280 is extremely cheap for me
surreal crypt
oh jeesh
lethal jay
3 trackers "should" only cost 300 though
vocal shard
I mean, it looks like most of it's weight is battery lol <https://www.tundratrac...
idk man.
surreal crypt
i thought they were $100 each
regal furnace
400 if you are in europe ^^
unkempt haven
am i the only one without a headset
vocal shard
yes
regal furnace
yes
lethal jay
Probably
noble depot
am i the only one without a headset
nope! there's tons of of other desktop users too c:
vocal shard
just do what i did at the beggining
lethal jay
He means active in chat rn though
vocal shard
plus the tracking bits are (presumably) off-the-shelf, so that gives me hope on ...
they said it would be a bit cheaper than vive trackers so people speculated that the price would be around 100 bucks
google cardboard + kinect+ a fullbody chainmail with wiimotes on legs and hip.
but yeah, no definitive prices so far
it worked
languid beacon
Nothing comes close to vive trackers right now as they litterally track your hip and feet as well as extra controllers worn on your feet. Nothing else does that level of control right now
surreal crypt
google cardboard + kinect+ a fullbody chainmail with wiimotes on legs and hip.
hahahaha
this'll probably get a lot of laughs but i'm actually using a cardboard and joycons with a kinect
lethal jay
Meh
pine pollen
Y'know, I kinda wonder, how good of an FBT experience could you have using Google Cloud Platform's ML recognition APIs and like 4-8 high-quality camera feeds?
lethal jay
I've seen someone use a mouse to control fbt
I still don't even know how it's possible but I have seen it
languid beacon
Ideally you want your hip and feet to be in the same tracking universe as your head and hands, right now the only set up that does that are vive trackers paired with either a vive or an index
surreal crypt
Y'know, I kinda wonder, how good of an FBT experience could you have using Googl...
the people who develop the kinect tracking apps don't seem to have much faith in pose recognition
seems like you need the IR depth sensor-y stuff for it to work well
languid beacon
Otherwise you are hybrid and it comes with its own set of annoyances
lethal jay
Ideally you want your hip and feet to be in the same tracking universe as your h...
False, openvr calibration is a thing
vocal shard
Otherwise you are hybrid and it comes with its own set of annoyances
like w0t
languid beacon
False, openvr calibration is a thing
Yes, that’s hybrid. And it is a pain
I had to deal with it with cv1 + vive before I switched to index
opaque shard
Wait
noble depot
making inside-out and outside-in tracking work nicely together sounds interesting lol
opaque shard
All 3 for $280?
lethal jay
It takes like 30 seconds to setup... isn't exactly a pain to work with
noble depot
All 3 for $280?
Not a confirmed price! might be a decent estimate though o:
opaque shard
I'd say go for like maybe $200-230 tops.
languid beacon
making inside-out and outside-in tracking work nicely together sounds interestin...
It’s about as messy as it sounds
opaque shard
For $280 you might as well go HTC.
languid beacon
Prone to drift
pine pollen
the people who develop the kinect tracking apps don't seem to have much faith in...
Yeah, that'd make sense.
opaque shard
And spend the extra $20.
noble depot
It’s about as messy as it sounds
oh god lol
noble depot
again though, not a confirmed price - could def be $280, or could be much lower
languid beacon
Maybe it’s gotten better in the last year. Rift CV1 with Vive trackers was super annoying to set up, and drifted within hours
vocal shard
i expect 100 bucks for each tracker
depend on where you live, a vive tracker can cost anywhere from 120 to 150 and they said it's going to be a bit cheaper than that
lethal jay
All you have to do to set it up is press one button and move your controller and tracker around for 30 seconds
That's literally it
languid beacon
I wanted to quickly jump in vr and not have to run a space calibrator. So often I’d just skip on the feet trackers as they just slowed me down
Nice finally being able to just turn everything on and it works and not need to worry about some calibration being off
Just saying it’s not a user friendly workflow, I’m picky!
VR should be easy :p
vocal shard
well for me 3 trackers costed around 420e or so
is it worth it? debatable. is it immersive and fun? hell yes.
noble depot
I still feel bad for Australian headset prices, Amazon AU has the Index full kit listed at $3,099
languid beacon
Totally worth especially if you have the space (and lack downstairs neighbors)
sage pewter
I'm sick of VRChat forgetting how to load worlds and avatars after a while, forcing me to restart
vocal shard
oooooooof. 3k $
languid beacon
Sadly I have to be somewhat calm in fullbody to avoid making noise to downstairs apartment. Won’t be dancing and jumping much
vocal shard
Totally worth especially if you have the space (and lack downstairs neighbors)
im lucky with the neighbors. not too lucky bout the space but it just works.
noble depot
I'm sick of VRChat forgetting how to load worlds and avatars after a while, forc...
send in a ticket to #vrchat-support with your most recent output log, and make/vote on a bug report post on https://feedback.vrchat.com/! o:
sage pewter
I guess I wanted to see if this was just me or a common problem first
noble depot
I used to have the issue too, though I don't remember how common it was
olive tundra
finally got my dorito dust fingies on a nutter butter
noble depot
custard creams or bourbons though
vivid wedge
dude, i have 31 friends 20+ hours in vrchat and im still visitor.
noble depot
I know you likely mean the avatar but bourbons
vocal shard
im living on ground floor so that helps.
languid beacon
dude, i have 31 friends 20+ hours in vrchat and im still visitor.
It’s not time based
noble depot
dude, i have 31 friends 20+ hours in vrchat and im still visitor.
The rank system is completely different for everyone, and it's based off of many different factors - would recommend visiting more worlds and spending more time ingame o:
also keep in mind, only active hours count towards your rank
vivid wedge
what is it based on?
vocal shard
i think the neighbors above me got used to me partying every friday/saturday saturday/sunday from 8pm till like 10am for the past year xd
vivid wedge
yes thee are activ hours
languid beacon
what is it based on?
It’s a big black box that the devs won’t talk about so people can’t game it. So anything anyone answers is speculation.
olive tundra
i think the neighbors above me got used to me partying every friday/saturday sat...
lmao
noble depot
what is it based on?
It's based on many different factors - friends, worlds visited, avatars/worlds uploaded (if the account has permission) all help your trust score, alongside not getting banned/kicked/muted/reported, etc
vocal shard
what is it based on?
many aspects. but if ur having a hard time rank8ng from visitor maybe ur getting a lot of reports/kicks/blocks etc that gets ur trust down
noble depot
many more aspects than just that, likely
also yeah, getting reported/player moderated could cause problems too o:
languid beacon
The best way to up rank is to play the game normally and be mindful to create a positive experience for other players, or at least, not what the devs consider to be a negative one. They want people to earn upload only after they’ve found their feet in VRChat and understand what it’s about and how people normally act - something a spammer would have gotten bored left by then.
vocal shard
^
noble depot
^
vocal shard
what is it based on?
being online. adding friends. talking. exploring worlds. uploading avatars/worlds. not being kicked/reported/muted/avatar hidden/blocked.
olive tundra
many aspects. but if ur having a hard time rank8ng from visitor maybe ur getting...
i've been stuck on the same rank because i play so much among us and murder mystery and get slapt by a brush with a report every time i kill them, but idrk since i came for the avatars
vocal shard
best advice is join public worlds and socialize with people OR just explore the amazing user created worlds alone or with friends. when ur having fun time flies faster. you will rank up in no time then.
languid beacon
Well you can also pay 10 dollars to get out of visitor if you are impatient lol
surreal crypt
i can't get too excited with my movements in full body unless i find a better way to anchor a battery pack on my person than stuffing it down my pants
opaque shard
Cell phone clip?
vocal shard
i can't get too excited with my movements in full body unless i find a better wa...
trackstraps+
then my index controllers were dying on me faster than the trackers so...
surreal crypt
oof
vocal shard
i used my old straps on my arms and ziptied to them 2 powerbanks that were attached to controllers
i can play more than 12hrs in a single playsession before trackers die. i even assume up till 15-16
cause after 12hrs my straps were out of juice but trackers were fully charged
cyberpunk2077
unreal verge
I don't even know if my room would be compatible with Index and stuff. I've a really small room.
And i don't want to play in the living room cause my room mate would be able to always come there and i want to relax which i wouldn't really be able then
How much place would i need for a lighthouse system?
dark vale
3.5 m x 3.5 m said on wiki
unreal verge
mmh
noble depot
Steam recommend 2 meters by 1.5 minimum (6.5ft by 5ft) for roomscale, but you can use Standing mode if that's not an option
frosty veldt
Not really a too small space for the actual tracking, you could be in an iron maiden with a lighthouse and it would still "work"
frosty veldt
But best worst case is if you can stand at one point and outstretch arms and not hit anything
unreal verge
Yeah that would be possible, at least right now. But i would have to move the PC into my room too
Which would be even less place
I would only be able to stand or lie in my bed. Walking wouldn't work at all, it already doesn't.
Sitting would work too
noble depot
There's the Standing option in room setup, if your playspace is too small o:
unreal verge
Ok then i just would need to figure out how to place the lighthouses
noble depot
There's also Stop Sign VR, which is a plugin made to help prevent you from hitting stuff irl o: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1196450/Stop_Sign_VR/
The lighthouses have standard tripod mounts on their fronts and bottoms, and the Vive (and presumably the Index) comes with some wall brackets to mount them, though I personally just use tripods
For a small playspace though, the wall mounts would probably give you the most playspace area
tawny tiger
Hey i am trying to use vrchat with omegle and when i pull out the stream camera on vr chat it gets really laggy can someone help or is it my pc?
noble depot
Running VR and streaming a live video feed is pretty intensive - what's your computer's specs? o:
vocal shard
Hey i am trying to use vrchat with omegle and when i pull out the stream camera ...
hey didnt think about it before. thats cool
tawny tiger
Well they're not that good but i can run it fine without using the stream camera - 1050ti - 16gb ram - ryzen 3 3200g
I mean i can do it but i would like the camera out so they don't see what i'm seeing from my view
unreal verge
Do the lighthouses need to be exactly directional from each other? My bed is in a corner for example and if i would place a lighthouse over my bed location it probably wouldn't see me.
vocal shard
Make a youtube video!
noble depot
The graphics card is likely the issue, then - it's rather comperable to the 970, which is the minimum for smooth VR imo
noble depot
Do the lighthouses need to be exactly directional from each other? My bed is in ...
They don't need to be exactly rectangular or anything, they just need to be able to see one-another o:
distant rampart
why cant i log into the vrcsdk anymore?
unreal verge
Ok
noble depot
why cant i log into the vrcsdk anymore?
Try logging in with your e-mail instead of your username o:
distant rampart
Try logging in with your e-mail instead of your username o:
tysm
noble depot
yw! c:
noble depot
worth a shot! c:
opaque shard
I have to find my phone clip first.
rancid jewel
with?
vocal shard
I've been practicing with avatars for a while and so far I've been able to upload them using my previous two computers but I'm using the same project on this one and for some reason despite me doing everything right the building & publish button is grey and unclickable
cunning elm
Was there an auto correct option?
vocal shard
No
full jetty
have you checked in the thing to see if anything has to be fixed
damnit I need to type faster
opaque shard
I found my phone clip.
vocal shard
I'm using SDK 2 and everything was either marked as green or yellow which are usually fine and i've been able to upload avatars that way
It doesn't seem like anything needs to be fixed
deft girder
Make sure you don't have any avatars enabled with upload stopping errors
cunning elm
When I had this problem I had to redownload the avatar and then I the option to auto correct and upload appeared. Sry not good at explaining things :/
vocal shard
The one thing I'm worried about is that if I do have to restart this project I'll have to restart all the models I was working on
I did a test by opening another project and the button is clickable but in this one it isn't
full jetty
maybe you gotta login again
deft girder
I did a test by opening another project and the button is clickable but in this ...
Do you have any other avatars enabled? Like I asked above.
surreal crypt
i'm not sure if people aren't responding to me because they have nothing to say or they can't hear me lol
cunning elm
In vrchat?
vocal shard
or make a new unity project install sdk again and then import ur avatar files
surreal crypt
yeah
vocal shard
it glitched out for me too some time ago. this fixed it
cunning elm
When I log in I always check in a mirror if my mic is working
vocal shard
cause you probably dragged the sdk folder in it
vocal shard
Do you have any other avatars enabled? Like I asked above.
If you're talking about visible than yes but they've always been visible whenever uploading them and always in the past it worked fine
instead of doing a fresh sdk install
deft girder
If you're talking about visible than yes but they've always been visible wheneve...
Well the only reason why the upload button would gray out is if you have other avatars enabled with upload stopping errors if the one you are uploading doesn't have any
cunning elm
Or maybe you're in a world where people don't want to talk
rancid jewel
^ that happens a lot
vocal shard
So this isn't new to any of you?
cedar meteor
Me perndonas
vocal shard
Well the only reason why the upload button would gray out is if you have other a...
That worked
deft girder
So this isn't new to any of you?
Did you at least try disabling the other avatars than the one you are uploading?
graceful bloom
Te perdono XD
vocal shard
Yup
deft girder
Okay good
graceful bloom
Hello
vocal shard
Thanks
cedar meteor
SI
graceful bloom
I'm new, what's your name? XD
cedar meteor
mamasita me gusta me gusta 🥵
cedar meteor
Soy botellas de agua bebé niña
limber pasture
Question for those with presense/phantom sense... do you have any control of it? Mine tends to lead to issues in more public worlds as its really sensitive.
vocal shard
oi its all fine and chill but use english bottleman
cedar meteor
Okay
graceful bloom
Is that a rule? English only?
opaque shard
https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/lcnzot/public_lobbies_in_a_nutshell_oc/ My sides are in complete orbit. Someone call mission control to bring me home please.
cedar meteor
Sadness
cunning elm
@limber pasture its pretty random for me. I hate when people move past me quickly. It's like I can feel them dump my shoulder
cedar meteor
Same
limber pasture
I dont think there is an English only rule, but there is a branch of international channels in this discord with #spanish being one of them
cedar meteor
OOOOO
graceful bloom
Nice! Seeya
vocal shard
Is that a rule? English only?
i guess no but if no one understands u speaking ur language in a mostly english speaking lobby then whats the point?
limber pasture
<@100725843298377728> its pretty random for me. I hate when people move past me ...
I get really jumpy when avatars have weapons... since if they strike me i can feel that pain...
graceful bloom
The point is that there is no point : D