vrchat-general-2

[coarse talon]

you wanna play???

[meager snow]

if you want

[coarse talon]

ok

[meager snow]

epic gamer moment right there

[tough lance]

@meager snow can't easily, unless you were to use the expression menu to control them

[meager snow]

Bruh can't even use my wiimotes

[tough lance]

could only control one at once too, and it would be kinda jank

[pallid wraith]

Oh i think i get you

open vrchat
publish map
test it
leave game open
publish map again
test it
repeat
?

[tough lance]

yea you can just have the game open

[odd blaze]

you can test a world offline / desktop , just set the path to vrchat.exe or it will just start vr

there's also the emulator script you can test it in unity

[pallid wraith]

I'll try setting the path now, thanks for help 🙂

yep that fixed it, no longer auto loading into VR 😄

[hardy glen]

A digital avatar is not worth 600$

[sharp saddle]

A high-quality one does, yeah.

[hardy glen]

It certainly does not lol

[chrome jetty]

anyone have problems with loading screen and cant hopping to another worlds ?

[hardy glen]

I don’t know what kind of mansion you live in but spending 600 on something you can’t even touch and use in 1 game isn’t worth it

[odd blaze]

There's avatars in 1000$'s

Highest i seen 4000$~

[hardy glen]

Doesn’t mean it’s worth it

At this rate you can get a used CAR for that kind of money

[plain bluff]

and those are overpriced

[odd blaze]

🤷‍♂️ people use money however they want, not up to me, these are professional 3d models, that can be used for games/licences ect, not your average mashup

[plain bluff]

still not worth over a thousand

[hardy glen]

They can but those are idiot purchases

[languid beacon]

Incorrect

@hardy glen Minimum Wage in in US is what, 13.50 an hour? I doubt a scratch model could be done in less than 44 hours, and even if it is, that kind of work deserves far more than minimum wage.

[odd blaze]

Wouldnt consider it much , these can take weeks to make

notyouravaragevrchat avatar

[hardy glen]

44 hours of your life isn’t worth a model

You know what else you can do for 600 and still have LOADS of money left?

[languid beacon]

If that were true then no video games would be made, ever

[odd blaze]

600 wont get me far here soo not really

[umbral reef]

Might be because you barely play the game and wont use it for your online personality and identity?

[odd blaze]

we all dont live in the same country 👍

[languid beacon]

The fact that people both make, sell, commission, and buy them proves you are wrong

[hardy glen]

Buying a PC, get an AK-47, or any gun, going on a vacation, sky diving, buying a store ticket

[umbral reef]

Not even 20 days of rent?

[odd blaze]

600 barely even get a gpu here

my screen cost 2000$+

[vocal shard]

can I still log in on the site if I get banned?

[languid beacon]

@hardy glen The reality is people make models for a living because they’re professionals at it and they charge fair prices and people are willing to pay those fair prices, and you aren’t, because you aren’t interested, and that’s OK. but it doesn’t make anything you’re saying correct.

[hardy glen]

And if this wasn’t a pandemic you could go outside for FREE with your friends and get the same experience as vr chat

Or catch a movie or something, don’t blow your money on overpriced avatars

[languid beacon]

The fact that you consider them overpriced does not make them overpriced

[umbral reef]

Said the person who wants to buy an gun with that money instead kekw

[hardy glen]

I can only see companies paying that much. However, I don’t blame them for cashing in to this market since it obviously exists

[languid beacon]

People willing to pay for things decide what they are worth

[umbral reef]

Let me guess cuber, you also find normal artists way to expensive right?

[hardy glen]

The fact that you can do all of what I said above and more and get the same VR chat experience by going outside (after COVID restrictions are over) is black on white written it’s overpriced

[odd blaze]

🤔 outside ugh no thanks ,nothing but darkness and snow

[noble depot]

I most absolutely can't get headpats in a sleazy bar at 4 PM irl
at least I hope not

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure the airforce also wont allow me to fly a plane while shitfaced drunk

[languid beacon]

The fact that I’m willing to pay for it, and that it’s a lucrative business model, proves it’s not overpriced. If anything, models sell for far too low.

[modern hill]

What u PLL talking about

[hardy glen]

No. That doesn’t prove anything. The fact that you’re paying for it proves there’s a market for it

Not that it’s not overpriced

[languid beacon]

Overpriced means priced higher than market value

[hardy glen]

Listen, be responsible and save your money

[languid beacon]

You seem to be trying to say something else but you’re not using the correct words for it

[odd blaze]

40$ to add a hat on your avatar, and they do it in unity , now thats overpriced

[modern hill]

That shouldn't be paid lmao

[languid beacon]

The price that the average person pays for a model is the market value pricing over that is overpriced

[odd blaze]

There's people like that out there, im like errr okey

friend wanted his name on avatar and paid for it, nearly smacked him thats so easy

[hardy glen]

Back. I just checked the top 3 english dictionaries and there’s no mention of “marketplace value”. If you’re gonna argue definitions at least get it right

[languid beacon]

Here’s a good tip Cubey that will let you enjoy your life a lot more: don’t tell other people what to do with their money.

[odd blaze]

'dont like what i dont like'

[umbral reef]

I too find all my economic theory models in the English dictionary

[vocal shard]

Hmm

[hardy glen]

Those aren’t my arguments lol

[modern hill]

Stuff is only worth what somebody is willing to pay

[hardy glen]

I’m saying all of you have been blowing your cash on meaningless avatars for a game that’s got debatable longevity

[vocal shard]

Anyone know why the Avatar spots are gray ??

[languid beacon]

I know this might be a hard concept for you but different people have different amounts of money and what is unaffordable to you is a complete write off for others

[noble depot]

you don't have to use the model in VRChat, .FBX is a pretty widely accepted standard lol

[hardy glen]

All overpriced means is its priced at something more it’s worth

[noble depot]

last I checked the Unity and Unreal engines probably have a pretty long life ahead of them

[hardy glen]

🤨

[languid beacon]

And the key you’re not getting here is things are worth different amounts to different people and avatars aren’t worth anything to you and you think that applies to everyone, that’s your mistake. If you can admit this then maybe you can start to understand why everyone is disagreeing with you

[modern hill]

Also why do Adeon have a box's with a obj text in almost every centence

[vocal shard]

How do I change my skin

[hardy glen]

There’s objective worth. And this ain’t it

[languid beacon]

It means I spoke it instead of typing it

[modern hill]

Ohh lol

[languid beacon]

There is no such thing as objective worth.

[vocal shard]

Can someone awnser please

[mellow palm]

There are mutlible kinds of worth

[hardy glen]

So there’s no one reality?

[languid beacon]

Worth is not an objective concept

[mellow palm]

Theres not just one "worth"

[modern hill]

@vocal shard click esc, and click in the avatar tab

[mellow palm]

A christmas card of a dead relative may have detrimental emotional value for someone. but the materialistic worth is less than a cent

[hardy glen]

Yeah it is when some people are paying up to 4K for pixels on a screen someone needs to knock some sense into them

[vocal shard]

Okqy

[hardy glen]

We are talking about money. Not sentimental or spiritual worth

[mellow palm]

Bruh cuber is your brain on airplane mode??

[vocal shard]

And if you have higher rank you can have more skins M

[mellow palm]

If its smth with tech its as much worth as the demand is there

if people buy it the price is legit

[modern hill]

No it has nothing to do with rank

[mellow palm]

Until.something better and chwaper comes

[languid beacon]

20 dollars might be a week of food for you. It’s pocket change not worth picking off the street for others. Worth is not objective.

[umbral reef]

I wont even get out of my bed for 20dollars kekw

[hardy glen]

No. It isn’t. Because I’d rather save that money for college. A wedding. A house. A car. Something useful. I mean you do you for all I care all I’m trying to say is you can buy A LOT for that money

[umbral reef]

So you literally dont have any hobbies at all cuber?

[modern hill]

Honestly i wouldn't make an avatar for someone for just 20$ to much stress and boredom

[hardy glen]

What makes say that lol

[mellow palm]

That has nothing to do with that doe.
Some buy vr for their money some save up for a car and some put thousands into fantasy dildos

[hardy glen]

Autocorrect

[mellow palm]

that doesnt make the investment illegitimate

[umbral reef]

Well you want to save money only from how im seeing it
buying an expensive avatar thats part of your hobby once isnt that much different then needing to buy new football clothes, ammo for the gunrange or what else in the end.

[mellow palm]

agreed.

[modern hill]

No hobby is to expensive

[hardy glen]

That.

Your hobby should stay a hobby

[languid beacon]

Yeah that’s where the difference is. Money is an issue for you that’s a personal problem though for a lot of people, and for others it’s just simply not a a problem, and can freely spend money on whatever.

There is a tipping point. In low income, money is worth more than time. But once you have enough money, time starts being worth more than money.

[hardy glen]

Or if you can monitize it then good

[umbral reef]

Like damn, i spend more money on other hobbies then VR by now
Even though i used VR for longer

[hardy glen]

But don’t blow your entire bank :/

[modern hill]

I'm using my money on RGB

Lol

Fight me

[odd blaze]

👍 i bough 3 ps4 ages ago and gave em away, switch/vita/wii /wii u also gave away, nearly bought a quest 2 to give to my sis but ended up trying the reverb g2 instead, for me 1000$ a month isnt much i can use on myself 🤷‍♂️ bought 3 vr's so i have a few for spare parts

[mellow palm]

bruh im literally investing all my savings into vr and a pc upgrade

and bitches I aint rich

[languid beacon]

The concept you’re not getting here is that a lot of us are to put it bluntly filthy rich and these huge expenses that you see are absolutely nothing to be worried about it’s like a pocket chump change so stop being concerned for us

[modern hill]

I'm still using my oculus rift CV-1 and i don't have a reason to upgrade so

[hardy glen]

Dude, I don’t mean that literally

Blowing your bank means spending lots of cash

[modern hill]

Rgb lets go

[mellow palm]

No we are certainly not adeon

noone is fucking filthy rich in this day and age

or did I misunderstand you

[odd blaze]

🤔 have enough for rest of my life

[languid beacon]

Yeah I’m doing just fine

[vocal shard]

Last questions, Why when I join a world I searched in "Worlds" tab, I go on the basic world ???

[languid beacon]

I get annoyed when people tell me how to use my money when it’s literally the least of my concerns

[modern hill]

U do u

[languid beacon]

There’s a little magical word called retired

[modern hill]

Wait ur retired

[mellow palm]

retired??

What are you, 70?

[modern hill]

I mean if they wore like a cop then u can retire at like 35-40

[languid beacon]

Well my definition of retired is the point at which you could choose to not work for the rest of your life

Whether or not you actually decide to

[hardy glen]

so do you live with your parents????

[mellow palm]

adeon, that is a state of financial stability that nearly noone has rn

Do you think we have a similar situation than u?

[languid beacon]

That ship sailed long ago lmao

[hardy glen]

Oh, sorry

[iron acorn]

i plan to retire at 28

[mellow palm]

Breuh

we are not in the 60s anymore folk

[modern hill]

@languid beacon isn't it boring though? Honestly, like u have nothing to work for

[languid beacon]

It’s totally possible tbh

[iron acorn]

i work very hard and save a shit load of money

[languid beacon]

I am when has a job ever been about doing what you want I mean unless you’re your own boss

[iron acorn]

and by save, i mean invest.

i currently make $300/m off investments, which isn't quite enough to not work

[mellow palm]

investments are also a game of luck

[umbral reef]

inb4 economic crash thats planned to happen soon happens

[iron acorn]

but if i get that to like, $2000? thats plenty

did you miss the entire year of 2020?

[odd blaze]

Friend own a couple of trucks, so he runs a tracking company

[iron acorn]

the market crashed HARD this year

[mellow palm]

The ecconomy hastn crashed yet

[umbral reef]

It literally didnt but aith

[languid beacon]

Thought experiment: if you could quit your job but still collect a paycheck all the same without doing any actual work and you could just do whatever you want anyway, would you choose to do it or would you choose to still spend your time working to obtain that same money anyway? Because if you say you would work when you don’t have to, I don’t believe you.

[mellow palm]

got inflated drastically to revive it

[umbral reef]

The worker labor crashed, the market didnt
Big difference

[mellow palm]

shits fucking booming

[iron acorn]

did you look at the stock market on march 12th?

[mellow palm]

bich its december

[umbral reef]

Seeing as my stocks jumped by 40% in march, nah

[mellow palm]

[iron acorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_stock_market_crash#Black_Thursday_(12_March)

[umbral reef]

automatic trading goes bbbrbrrrrrr

[iron acorn]

with enough time, the market always recovers

of course its fine now

[tall timber]

i wish i could find an half life alyx or half life 2 gman model

just cant find one 😦

[broken plover]

Learn how to 3D model and make it yourself

[modern hill]

Well idk i am that kind of person who feels shit about getting stuff without doing anything so idk i would probably at least give some of it to sharity, and idk do what I like and try to have fun, but it would be quite boring just sitting in my room all day long

[languid beacon]

This is hypothetical where the money is just given out of thin air, guilt free, not stolen from anyone’s pockets :)

And if you feel guilty over that, you should really look into it because that’s not healthy

[modern hill]

I would probably take it because it's freedom

[languid beacon]

Exactly because the only reason you work is because you need the money

It’s not about any kind of goals you’re just spending time in exchange for money

[modern hill]

Also i feel guilt for getting free stuff lol

[iron acorn]

i love free things

[hardy glen]

for me, working has always been goal-oriented

[modern hill]

I usually return steam gifts because I feel shit

[umbral reef]

I dont feel guilt for making the pocket lighter of people who make profit over other people's there additive work.

[iron acorn]

same ^

[languid beacon]

When you have enough money that you have a surplus, when you know lack of money will never be a realistic danger, time starts being worth more than money. Understanding this is key to understanding the actions and motives of people who become rich.

[modern hill]

Well I'm not rich but I would rather spend a day watching anime than working even if I could get money

[languid beacon]

Well that’s a different subject. That’s laziness lol

[modern hill]

Yesh

[iron acorn]

im super lazy which is why im planning to retire at 28

if i collect enough money now, i should be good indefinitely

[languid beacon]

Point is, wealth classes are real. But everyone feels they are the norm. Monetary Worth is 100% subjective. There, I’m done.

[ruby tiger]

Hello done

[modern hill]

[languid beacon]

[thin sky]

I mean this is the basis of financial security right. At the end of the day the goal is to get enough passive income to where you don't NEED to work to live which opens you up to start passion projects that may or maynot make money

like once I feel secure I would 100% try streaming and fail or maybe open a LGS

[umbral reef]

Good luck though, unless your already in a stable position thats sadly an unrealistic goal for most.

[modern hill]

Yish

[thin sky]

these are def pursuits I expect to fail and not be profitable but are things I want to do

yeah but that's the dream right. I never understood the mentality of making like 300 or 400 grand a year. Maybe it changes with family or maybe it changes after a breakpoint. But I'm comfortable with my income and I'm working on building that fund that makes me money

[languid beacon]

And for the record I am not retired - but I am very frugal and can live very comfortably while occasionally buying very expensive things. I am deeply aware I am very fortunate and many people are hurting in the world. Those people should not be commissioning avatars. But you know what they should do? Learn how to 3D model. Because people like me are willing to pay their real worth. Because they need the money and I want the time.

[thin sky]

hmm then you start getting into where if you spend more than 40 hours working you may not want something like that enough to learn 3d modeling

[umbral reef]

Adeon, not to be mean but its kinda hard to learn how to use an 3d program when your working 3 jobs for an total of 80hours a week with an wage that cant support rent, food and insurance.

[languid beacon]

I mean I picked it up on minimum wage

[thin sky]

I mean did you enjoy it?

don't get me wrong it's a great hobby to pick up

[languid beacon]

Learning it? Yes. That’s what I did on my free time

[thin sky]

but not everyone who wants a 3d model wants to learn it

[languid beacon]

Well, if you want a 3D model, and you don’t wanna learn how to make one, and you can’t afford to pay for one... then you don’t get one... that’s just kind of how those things go...

[modern hill]

True

[thin sky]

fair enough. I guess the 600$ just seems silly considering that alot of people are back on rent by thousands

[modern hill]

But u know what PLL resolve to then

[thin sky]

so like 600$ is nice but it does not help them in the way they need

[modern hill]

True

They should take hourly payment

[thin sky]

but yeah this whole situation is just ass

600$ doesn't seem like enough for the people who need it and the people who don't just see it as a free xbox or something

Like I guess if you are gonna be homeless anyways might as well homeless with a new phone or something

[languid beacon]

There are a lot of people in the world. Not everyone is in financial trouble. 3D commissions is super lucrative as there is high demand and low supply. It’s in no danger. The people commissioning can afford it. That’s just how it is.

[modern hill]

I've seen homeless people when i was at vacation and like a few had like the latest flagship phone lol

[thin sky]

oh yeah don't get me wrong I get that

I think I lost track of the conversation up there a while back

[umbral reef]

Spending 1K once aint hard, renting a place when you cant get a stable income, with high rent while not having a PO box that you often cant get without having a house is hard.

[modern hill]

True dat

[languid beacon]

As someone who gets a peek behind the financial side of art commissions... trust me, there are plenty of loaded rich people buying art.

[thin sky]

I've had enough art comissions done for DND to know the value of artwork

[languid beacon]

Yet somehow no one understands the value of scratch models

[modern hill]

I'm currently learning art as i just don't know exactly how to tell anyone else exactly what I want

[thin sky]

alot of the time having a rough sketch helps alot

[modern hill]

So i got a drawing tablet

Yesh

I've gotten closer and closer

[umbral reef]

Fucking crying over here learning to make professional sketches to make product suggestions

Drawing is hard :c

[thin sky]

being as descriptive as possible is helpful but being able to plot out (even badly) more of the major features makes their job alot easier

[minor yacht]

is there a world with quest avatars with animations

[languid beacon]

I can’t even think about 2D art. 3D art just feels like cheating. It’s brute forcing stuff out. And once I learned shader systems and baking, 2D detailed textures are cake without any 2D art or shading knowledge....

Huge respect for 2D artists

I will never learn it but man

2D is WAY harder

My brain just doesn’t think like that

[thin sky]

I would respect all sides of it. 3d art is super difficult and the same way a painter would be super impressed with a sculpter I imagine it's a similar feeling

[umbral reef]

Imagine having Dyslexia for the writing part and Aphantasia what means i cant recall colors, picutres, smell and touch.
Its such an bitch to explain how i want something or how i experienced something.

[thin sky]

Like just how a good texture can elevate a render I feel like a great sculpt can make a bad texture job great

[pale sluice]

have avatars always had a slight wobble to them when they stand?

[languid beacon]

Well I would say sculpting is like a 3D version of artist drawing yes. But not all 3D artists sculpt. Many, like me, do box modeling. Adding detail to simple shapes to make more complicated ones. Line by line.

[languid mason]

box modeling represent 😄

[languid beacon]

Avoiding the retopology step

[thin sky]

eh even that I see that as almost an artform. Getting a great finished product with simple tools. kinda like how Nintendo games are never the highest graphic fedeltiy games but fuck me the aesthetic just makes up for it.

or how WoW still somehow manages to impress me even when I can count the fucking polys

[languid beacon]

That’s down to good texturing. Which is actually just baked from much higher poly models. Possible no one drew those 2D textures. Just bakes from a more complicated render

[languid mason]

wdym? texture artists exist 😄

[languid beacon]

They do! For games though procedural texturing is becoming more common

[thin sky]

the bake might be the base but I imagine there's alot of fiddly shit to get it looking just the way they want it

[languid beacon]

Oh for sure

[thin sky]

Like all things considered the next step forward in graphics is prolly on the lighting and shader side

more than raw polycounts and texture resolutions

[languid beacon]

But bakes are what make you able to remove all those triangles without losing quality

[vocal shard]

can you play vrchat on nintendo switch?-

[broken plover]

no

[meager snow]

nintendo labo vrchat edition

[spring urchin]

I got banned on my main ACC for saying a mod smelled

[olive iris]

is it possible to add a new line to a world description when uploading it?

[round vapor]

Hmmm.

[ruby needle]

from where.

[vocal shard]

So is a VRchat account different from the oculus account?

[olive iris]

yes

[vocal shard]

Or can I combine them

[olive iris]

you can merge them

[ruby needle]

Absolutly a Oculus account like a Steam account are more or less guest accounts

[scenic sphinx]

hello

[vocal shard]

How lol

[olive iris]

can you add a new line in your world description? or no

[vocal shard]

On the vrchat account?

[rocky blaze]

anyone else getting their homeworld reset?

twice in 2 days now

just black screens my game and starts downloading the OG place

[broken plover]

happened to me after I quickly switched between my main and alt account because I wanted to play on my main but was still logged into my alt and couldn't press cancel fast enough

[rocky blaze]

downloaded the og place and i heard an error noise

[vague siren]

Hmm?

[rocky blaze]

i launched my game and i was going through the avatar i have favourited

cause i cleared my cache

and eventually it black screened me, restarted the game, black screen, tried downloading the vrc home failed black screen, restarted again put me into the vrc home now i have my actual home word again

[unreal verge]

Lmao it would go boom

[rocky blaze]

you can use switch remotes as trackers

xD

the bindings in the settings for keyboard do not mention the button R for the Radial Dial lmao

[hollow geode]

Hey, does anyone have the time to make me a sayori DDLC skin or know where to get one on the oculus quest 2

[unreal verge]

I wonder what's more powerful. Quest 1/2 or Switch?

[rocky blaze]

well quest 2 is designed for vr quest isn't

[unreal verge]

What

[rocky blaze]

i swear i hate my brain

the switch isnt designed for it

[unreal verge]

Yet it has Labo VR lmao (which is a joke)

[odd blaze]

They are very similar, cause of the higher resolution its just using the new 'power' for it

[rocky blaze]

i'd help if i could make avatars sorry

[hollow geode]

It's ok

[unreal verge]

Playing VR on Switch with 720p sure is fun /s

[ruby needle]

360p per eye. 👀

[unreal verge]

Nice

[rocky blaze]

am legit tempted on getting something to fix this damn stuck at 100% nonsense i hate having to restart my stuff

but i know i'll get in shit for it

[unreal verge]

What would you get

[vocal shard]

my avatar is blocked in t pose

[rocky blaze]

av heard from friends that there is a file you can get to fix that issue but its not allowed cause tos an such

like am just trying to play, come on man

[ruby needle]

I wouldn't know of any file that can fix your connection problems.

Cus that's what stick at 100% or not loading in the majority of cases is.

[rocky blaze]

its not a connection problem its the game getting stuck at 100% for either worlds or avatars and i can hear people just fine so

my connection is fine

[unreal verge]

Eh i don't think it's a connection problem

It's some weird issue with loading stuff

It practically fails to load assets

[rocky blaze]

yea i can see other people moving around and hear them talk so its either one or the other

[unreal verge]

I only get this issue if i join a world and leave again before all avatars finished loading at least one time

[iron acorn]

anybody know where to buy steamvr watchmen dongles?

or a functional equivalent lol

[vocal shard]

oh i thought nintendo is hea advanced since its so pricy

[iron acorn]

i have 2 steam controller dongles which can be flashed to steamvr, but need 3 😩

[vocal shard]

is hella*

[rocky blaze]

vr controllers are advanced but the price for them is more than it should be cause it costs less to make it

like an iphone can be made for $200 while its sold for a grand

[ruby needle]

What people forget is it's not just the direct manufracturing costs.

[unreal verge]

But 100% can't be a connection problem since it's already downloaded but can't be loaded. Which blocks all other avatars from loading in the process too since it's like a loading queue.

[ruby needle]

I though of world loading 100% with that message.

[iron acorn]

i just find it funny how my steam controller has lasted like 5 years but my index controllers die after 2 months

😩

[rocky blaze]

if your index controllers die after 2 months they will send you new ones for free if you send the broken ones

[unreal verge]

Ah that's the same i guess. I get avatars more frequently though if I leave the world too fast.

[iron acorn]

i know

but thats exactly why i need more dongles LOL, my headset failed as well

and now i have to use an oculus quest 2 with index controllers and full body 😩

[rocky blaze]

are you able to get playspace mover working with the quest 2 on its own? asking for a couple friends cause i gave them my set up and it didn't work for them, would it be due to virtual desktop streaming?

[iron acorn]

openvr playspace grab should work

when using steamvr

[unreal verge]

Probably the same error, but it just can't load the world. But don't know what the issue is if it straight up just stucks at 0% and doesn't even begin to load.

[iron acorn]

the traditional "playspace mover" tool does not work

[rocky blaze]

i told them to get OVR advanced settings

[iron acorn]

OVR advanced settings works

[rocky blaze]

i gave them my settings on that tho btc but it didn't work

[ruby needle]

on the world loading it is often not able to connect to the photon servers / timing out.

[iron acorn]

as long as they are using steamvr it works fine

[rocky blaze]

they both use it and nothing

[iron acorn]

🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

may be a stupid question, but can you use the controlers seperately ( without the headset? )

[rocky blaze]

odd

[iron acorn]

not officially, no @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

oh

[iron acorn]

unofficially yes you can lol

[unreal verge]

Oh ok. Don't know anything about Photon stuff though. Can only try to explain stuff on local machine level.

[rocky blaze]

well ok then the world thing can be connection but the avatar thing is buggin too

[iron acorn]

you can use any steamvr compatible device with any other steamvr compatible device, and even incompatible ones with compatibility layer software

openvr even supports mismatching controllers, though i dont know how well a game like VRChat would handle that

[rocky blaze]

well the quest 2 have the same buttons as the normal rift controls

so id assume it'd work

[iron acorn]

i mean like, for example, a quest 2 controller and an index controller

as long as they're both interfaced with steamvr, they should both work

at the same time

[unreal verge]

It also may be a mix of both. Errors unpacking the downloaded stuff and server connection errors

[iron acorn]

but games like vrc dont support mismatched bindings

[rocky blaze]

i tell them to do steam vr then launch ovr advanced settings then vrchat

odd

[unreal verge]

I usually start SteamVR before i select any game. I select my games in SteamVR dashboard

Overlays start automatically for me anyways after starting SteamVR

[iron acorn]

i have to start mine all by hand lol

[rocky blaze]

same

[iron acorn]

idk how to make them auto start

[unreal verge]

There should be an option somewhere for that

At least OVR has it in its own settings

All my 3 overlays start automatically after i launch SteamVR

No input I've to do other than waiting until they finished starting

Then i just select my game

@iron acorn which ones do you use?

[iron acorn]

OVR Advanced Settings & OVR Toolkit

[unreal verge]

OVR, XSOverlay and fpsVR definitely are able to auto-start

[iron acorn]

"OVR" is a little bit too generic

steamvr itself is OVR

[unreal verge]

OVR advanced

[vocal shard]

Vrchat account is terrible at working.

I legit made a account and changed the password 5 times and each time it doesn't accept it.

[iron acorn]

did you change your username at all

[vocal shard]

No

Just password

[modern glade]

weird

[vocal shard]

And on mobile it works fine

[modern glade]

my password works perfectly fine

[unreal verge]

@iron acorn you can choose which ones autostart under SteamVR settings - Startup/shutdown - choose start of overlays at startup (everything should be called something similar, had to translate the menu options)

[modern glade]

you sure your not putting it in right

[vocal shard]

I'm positive lmaoo

I have tried 5 passwords all easy asf to type in right

[modern glade]

I dunno then vrchat probably doesn't like you lol

[vocal shard]

Ofc

Smh

[modern glade]

make a whole new account

[iron acorn]

i use a 32 character pw with 2FA

and it works fine for me

[vocal shard]

I tried on the headset to upgrade my account

[hollow geode]

Ahem.... I still haven't found a place to acquire a sayori DDLC avatar

[vocal shard]

Said unknown error occures

[unreal verge]

Try to request a password reset

[vocal shard]

Does having a . in the username

Make a difference?

[noble depot]

#community-servers-old and VRCTraders if you want to buy one, else I'd recommend looking up "DDLC" in the Worlds menu

[unreal verge]

Oh VRChat now remembers my login on the website after switching browser owo

Good to know that Google Chrome was dumb

[hollow geode]

I couldn't find one on quest

[unreal verge]

Could reproduce the error. It changed the password to something but you still can't login. Resetting the password via mail recovery works.

[steel sequoia]

yo say uh i started playing vrchat a month ago and couldnt find anybody to make me a skin

so could anybody help me make a skin?

[tall timber]

e

[thin sky]

most people charge for avatars. Unless you have a personal friend willing to do free work for you you generally need to pay people for them to make you something

[steel sequoia]

i know that

and i dont have any friends who make vrchat skins +-+

[unreal verge]

Yeah getting something for free always is about having the right connections

If you don't have them then you are out of luck mostly until you find some

[steel sequoia]

ur very truthful

[tawny fern]

plz join

[steel sequoia]

why?

[tawny fern]

among us

[steel sequoia]

ah okay

[vocal shard]

i need to try to get my playspace mover work again

[vocal shard]

how did you break it ?

reinstalled windows and lost all my settings for the ovr and stuff

tried to make it work again but seems like im missing a step or something cuz it just aint doing it

[unreal verge]

Backup the SteamVR Folder next time x.x

[vocal shard]

yeah I will this time lmao

on the quest 2 can i can i change my default mic?

[trail plaza]

hm

[livid atlas]

Please tell me that the new years map is coming to quest 2

[carmine bear]

Hi I'm new. I've never played vrchat before but im very curious to play it. I currently don't have a vr headset but i wondering what is the best vr headset for vr chat that isnt $1,000. Can any give me suggestions on a good vr headset for vr chat?

[livid atlas]

@carmine bear the quest 2 is amazing

no hundred K pc needed

[noble depot]

probably the quest 2, or a second-hand Vive/rift S if your computer's powerful enough

[carmine bear]

I see

[thin sky]

@vocal shard At best you can pair up some bluetooth headphones to improve the mic quality. If you want to use any other mic you will have to link it to a pc

[carmine bear]

I notice some quests dont load some models tho

Is that true

[thin sky]

yes

[noble depot]

yes, if you don't use the link cable

[carmine bear]

I see

[noble depot]

your computer has to be VR capable to use that, however

[ruby needle]

it's not "some quests" it's normal on all quests on standalone mode that only quest compatible models work

[carmine bear]

Ok

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 with a USBC cable (299 + 20 USD) is currently the cheapest set up that isn’t garbage.

[thin sky]

VRchat native on quest is not ideal but it's still the cheapest headset you can buy that runs it. If you have a PC that is VR capable you can link it and you basically get an Occulus Rift S

[languid beacon]

Do not get a quest for VRChat if you intend to play it without a PC

[carmine bear]

Ok

[ruby needle]

i disagree

[carmine bear]

I dont think my pc is poweruk enough

[languid beacon]

But quest 2 on a pc is fine

[carmine bear]

I have Lenovo laptop

😅

[ruby needle]

Be aware of the limitations and that you might need some time to build a close friend base with quests aswell

but it's absolutly not a total "nogo"

[languid beacon]

Your laptop will probably not be able to play any vr headset

[carmine bear]

Yea i figured

[languid beacon]

Vr needs a fairly high end gaming pc

It’s rendering everything twice for each eye

[carmine bear]

Makes sense

[livid atlas]

Quest 2 without pc is fine, not the best but still nice, Plus pc avatars on a low end pc are risky considering more crashers and higher quality models on pc

[carmine bear]

Yea

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 without a Pc can barely go anywhere and can’t load most avatars

[livid atlas]

If you alreayd have a pc high enough to run vrchat well then go for a better vr than quest 2

[unreal verge]

If you can only speak German then I totally agree. Don't get a Quest for VRChat if you don't speak English.

[iron acorn]

or Chinese

i know a ton of chinese people on quest lol

[unreal verge]

Since literally no one in the german community plays on Quest standalone

[livid atlas]

@languid beacon most avatars i see are quest compatianle and just gotta show avatar, have only seen one or two pc only avatars on the public worlds

[ruby needle]

There was no language constrain on that statement.

[languid beacon]

If you have to “show avatar” they aren’t technically quest compatable. And will probably lag you to death.

[carmine bear]

I see

[iron acorn]

or just hang out with people who wear quest compatible avatars

[ruby needle]

You generally want to be able to at least basic understand and talk English on VRC in general.

[dusky crest]

So I am using an oculus rift CV1, and when I hold shift while starting up vrchat, it says the resolution is 1440p (cause my monitor is 1440p). Would lowering the resolution to what my CV1 is increase performance?

[languid beacon]

I would highly recommend playing VRchat on desktop for a few weeks before jumping in on a headset to make sure this is the type of game you actually want to get involved with it’s not everyone’s cup of tea

[unreal verge]

I've friends who are able to understand the menus but can't communicate in English

[thin sky]

there's a fairly big korean and japanese community in vr chat. Not sure how to find them but they exist

[livid atlas]

i dont see too many laggy avatars, tbh quest compatiable restrictions seme a little too low for what the quest 2 can handle

[ruby needle]

the resolution there is the desktop renderer not the VR one

[carmine bear]

True

Ill play desktop first

[ruby needle]

but yes it could help

[carmine bear]

I downloaded the game a year ago but havent touched it

[unreal verge]

A lot of Germans actually aren't good in English or don't understand it at all.

[thin sky]

But yeah the Native Quest version is better than nothing but it's still way worse than PC

[carmine bear]

😅

[ruby needle]

Most should be tho, unless they have been lazy asses in school.

[coral mulch]

Gonna throw my vr

Spent 89 dollars on a quest link

[thin sky]

Oak are you still having trouble?

[ruby needle]

It's part of our school program from quite early on and a must have class too.

[thin sky]

oh that's so unneeded haha

[coral mulch]

The places to get a USB-C cable refuses to install a port for me

[thin sky]

the charge cable works fine for link

[livid atlas]

id use PC vrchat if i had the pc but quest 2 is definently the cheaper option

[unreal verge]

I know just very few outside of VRChat that would be able to communicate with others in English

[coral mulch]

Its too small to use

I need to use the link while playing because I cant get on VRC because the oculus servers are horrible

[unreal verge]

And if you play on Quest while intending to go to german worlds you won't have a good time lol

Since 100% of the lobby will be bots

[ruby needle]

bots?

[unreal verge]

Avatars which aren't Quest Compatible

[ruby needle]

Oh right default robots

[livid atlas]

quest only really works in america since thats the target market and all the kids are getting one

[ruby needle]

I disagree, but you definitely wanna be able to understand english.

[broken plover]

I thought all the german community worlds were already unoptimized af and aren't even ported to quest

[unreal verge]

People in Germany usually go PCVR with Index or Vive or have a Quest connected to pc at least.

[broken plover]

could just be the community with their unoptimized avatars. Everytime I join my irl friend on one of those maps I lag way too much

[ruby needle]

In Germany directly you will rarely find a Quest 2 person since it's not allowed to be sold here.

There is still Switzerland and Austria tho

[languid beacon]

Most of the quest users I see are actually much older. But so am I. shrug but they also play via VD

[unreal verge]

Are you German? Since you said "here"

[ruby needle]

Yes

[unreal verge]

Me too

[livid atlas]

What are the minimum pc specs of vrchat? I might try to hook my quest to it

i got a 4gb shittop

[unreal verge]

Eh

[ruby needle]

there is not real "minimum" as in hard line

[unreal verge]

4GB RAM?

[languid beacon]

The min GPU for vr is a gtx 970 or equivalent

[broken plover]

I already know that your laptop isn't gonna run it

[livid atlas]

Yea thats why i got the quest lol

[vocal shard]

4gb

[ruby needle]

for VR you wanna have like a semi modern i5 at least, 8GB of RAM absolute minimum (16gb absolutly recommendet) and something like a gtx 1060 6gb (3gb will work but very meh.)

[livid atlas]

W10 hogs up 2gb so its really a 2gb ram laptop

[vocal shard]

damn

[languid beacon]

For oculus home, it refuses to install on older GPU’s

[vocal shard]

buy 12 more

[thin sky]

Ram isn't the bottleneck here. Your GPU is the more important part

[unreal verge]

All populated German worlds are Quest compatible

[ruby needle]

That's a Oculus Home minimum, but there isn't really a great line for VRC is what i was aying.

And that minimum will be higher then the Oculus Home bare minimum

[livid atlas]

oculus home is too picky about its pc compatiability

[distant fable]

ban r/FDS

[languid beacon]

Well sure but then that only includes the steam version and excludes the most popular headsets

[unreal verge]

Huh I've a 750Ti and Oculus installed

[languid beacon]

Interesting. I know 950 refuses to install

how the heck are you rendering the game

[unreal verge]

Idk

It just works with SteamVR

[livid atlas]

I installed it on my shittop just refuses to launch quest games or connect the quest to oculus home

[languid beacon]

I’m afraid to ask but... average framerate?

[unreal verge]

30 if there is no generic wolfboi with 3 million shaders

[languid beacon]

🤢

I can’t go below 50 or dizzy

[unreal verge]

I'm used to low FPS

[vocal shard]

I use the 144hz with index, gpu is 1080 and still having some good framedrops cuz of them avatars

[unreal verge]

I don't even know what anything above 60 looks like

[broken plover]

I can play vr with like 10 fps, but its not enjoyable at all

[thin sky]

I'm so sorry

[vocal shard]

thank you safety settings

[languid beacon]

Well 144 at 4K by 4K just looks reality when I’m not wearing my glasses

[unreal verge]

I can play anything. I'm somewhat immune to motion sickness it seems.

[jade rampart]

Heya🥰

[carmine bear]

For oculus quest 2 owners is avatars not showing up necessarily like a frequent thing?

[languid beacon]

At 144fps you wave your hand and get natural motion blur instead of a trail of afterimages

[jade rampart]

Yes

[carmine bear]

I'm curious. Cause i only know the experience from youtuber who have quest 2

[broken plover]

If the avatars you're talking about are PC avatars then yes

[thin sky]

they might be using the quest 2 but using it linked

[carmine bear]

Damn oof

[livid atlas]

I have a school pc, 8gb ram good stats, but steam is blocked/cant install without admin : /, if i could get around that i could possibly play vrchat on pc

[unreal verge]

I literally never get motion sick from any game. Don't know how it is like to get motion sick lmao

[thin sky]

for gaming it's more simulation sickness. I know some folk who can't play FPS games cause of it

[broken plover]

I'm mostly immune to motion sickness too, but some really terrible games/experiences (or sometimes even VRChat worlds) can cause motion sickness for me

[livid atlas]

Sort of, yea most are robots but a few clicks (1-2 minutes) and the whole lobby is visible, Just keep crashers blocked

[unreal verge]

I play a variety of games. Even fast paced race games in VR

[thin sky]

any of the swinging vr experiences fuck with my brain

everything else is fine but big falls and fast swings just ruin my sickness

[vocal shard]

theme park rides on vr causes me the sickness

[unreal verge]

I also never use any of the features to prevent motion sickness and turn them immediately off

[vocal shard]

i just cant be on them

[thin sky]

same buddy

[livid atlas]

games like echo vr only made me feel like i was falling or swinging since its zero grav, i didnt get sick but did confuse me a bit

[unreal verge]

Rip. And i think while doing all the stuff why nothing happens to me xd

[thin sky]

yeah flying and zero g stuff is fine for me too.

It's just the falling sensations

[unreal verge]

Roller coaster, falling everything fine for me

I just sit there, look and think: I guess i would be supposed to feel something but nope.

Might be because stuff like this also doesn't affect me irl

So I'm already used to it somewhat

[livid atlas]

its kinda just genetics and a roll of luck

[unreal verge]

Then i got the 1 million jackpot

[livid atlas]

some people are born weak with baby stomachs, others have iron metal stomachs

[buoyant ruin]

I don't know if I can ask that but I'm looking for someone I played with earlier, I was an alien and he called me dog, he called a red skin among us father and he was small, it was in the world crossplatform avatar but i forget his username

[unreal verge]

But it's sometimes sad since i don't feel anything even while riding roller coasters in real life. The same roller coaster will get boring really fast after the first ride for me.

After the first one i stop getting all the sensations

And that doesn't recover over time

I won't have them forever anymore with that specific thing

[gentle nebula]

please fix the bugs that allow world crash

[undone mural]

i don't have a VR rip, but still installed

[unreal verge]

It's ok without it

I think most people started without

Except Quest users without pc

[vocal shard]

other than turning down graphics, how else can you run vrchat with better performance?

[pale timber]

get better pc parts

[vocal shard]

true

[broken plover]

automatically hiding all very poor avatars (and maybe even poor avatars)

[vocal shard]

i have a 1060 and i5 7th

k

[pale timber]

lol you have better specs than me

[odd blaze]

There's 18 i5 7th, gotto be bit more specific

some are just pure 🥔

[pale timber]

i have an 11 year old cpu

[vocal shard]

I have an 11 year old son

And an 18 year old monitor

[regal furnace]

so one of these fat white 4:3 ratio thingies?

[vocal shard]

Cathode ray tube yes

[regal furnace]

boi that thing was painful

[vocal shard]

Gateway2000 from 1998

[regal furnace]

meanwhile i have 3 different FHD60hz monitors with different size, brand and colors

[vocal shard]

Less eye strain than the index

[regal furnace]

index is pleasant to wear imo

i dont notice any strain usually

[vocal shard]

Imo my ipd is only 58mm

[regal furnace]

i set it to 65mm, however on my old CV1 it was 58

i should measaure it at some point probablyy

[vocal shard]

Yeah it's always good to know

[ruby needle]

Can we... not spam?

thanks

[true lantern]

okay UwU

[vocal shard]

Sorry...

[regal furnace]

ah yes, EEFAB Sports, my favourite game developer

[wary grotto]

Yeash

[true lantern]

Same

[vocal shard]

I agree

[true lantern]

OwO

[vocal shard]

Sounds pretty eefabulous

[tall timber]

anyone know where some half life 2 or half life alyx avatar worlds or downloads are?

cause i can't upload and publish

[regal furnace]

just look for Half Life in the worlds tab

[wanton stream]

Is there a clown gremlins avatar in vr chat?

[vocal shard]

Sounds like it fits in 🤡

[wanton stream]

.-.

Can someone answer my question.

[regal furnace]

if no one answers no one knows the answer most likely ^^

[wanton stream]

hmmmmmmmm

[regal furnace]

i mean, google is a thing, and the world search function works pretty good too

[wanton stream]

ok

Well i tried and it just showed up pictures of clown gremlins and the dark deception wiki

[wanton turtle]

Why would you even want that avatar?

Asking for a friend 👀

[vocal shard]

would it be an unnecessary feature to be able to message inside the game?

Imo no, but given the nature of it just being a discord can with more features idk... but hopefull!

im sure there are lots of people in the vrc that dont use these type of platforms to communicate so it would be kind of sick

[languid beacon]

I think the biggest draw of VRChat is the chatting. Some people are inherently shy, but since VRChat lacks text chat it forces it to happen on voice and that’s where the magic happens. Putting text chat in would take that away and personally I feel like it would quickly dominate

[vocal shard]

that is true, but thought about more of a private messaging than public chat. but you are still right

[ruby needle]

Text chat also absolutly would be a downrating of the VR quality

[vocal shard]

yep

[ruby needle]

Since people would expect you to "observe it" no matter if it's immersion breaking af.

[languid beacon]

Yep. VR users don’t like typing OR reading. It sort of defeats the point of VR

[ruby needle]

mhm

A mailbox system would still be nice to have, especially to send some messages to offline friends

but active chat. NO

[languid beacon]

It would be although it even that needs to be careful that people just don’t use it as a makeshift text chat

[vocal shard]

nah, we've already seen what an active chat can be in other popular games

so that's out

[ruby needle]

What would be really cool would be if it actually was "mailbox" based

aka you need to use a mailbox in a world

[languid beacon]

My most wanted feature is like three or four pre-typed statuses so I don’t need to erase and type them in all the time

[turbid sun]

I think the dynamics of VR chat are excellent, the platform just needs better ways to have more focused chat rooms—unless I’m missing something.

[languid beacon]

Well private rooms have done the trick fine for me, but I have a group of friends who are more laid back and organized with social meetups

Like we actually schedule stuff like movie nights or game show nights. Just takes some planning

[thin sky]

I guess the only thing I would say is maybe a kids only lobby system but that is reliant on parents actually setting that up properly which I doubt

which is prolly never gonna happen

[languid beacon]

I’m a little resistant in age segregation since there’s no reason the game needs to be adults only. If you want an older room, make a private room and invite older people you’ve friended 

Works fine for me

[thin sky]

It's honestly less a concern for me more for the kids

[languid beacon]

Well it’s a 13+ game. Anything they shouldn’t see shouldn’t be here in the first place. They have parents that should monitor their internet use. It’s not anyone else’s responsibility to babysit

[turbid sun]

I find it difficult to find the people my age with the current system; however, I agree that age segregation is probably not necessary.

[wanton stream]

I found the Clown grem

[languid beacon]

Well I’m 34 and I haven’t had much trouble finding my age group

its not core, but it’s not rare

[dreamy tinsel]

[turbid sun]

That’s encouraging! I’ll keep trying. At 46 I’m likely on the outside of the distribution.

[languid beacon]

I have a few friended who are much older than that. They are out there. Find one and meet their mutual

We’ve all been waiting for VR some of us longer than others

[turbid sun]

Good advice. The chaos is, to some extent, the charm of the platform.

[midnight tendon]

anyone know any good rp servers

the ones i keep finding are either empty or weird

[pale sluice]

what kind of rp

like medieval or

[vivid raven]

Hello

[midnight tendon]

@pale sluice nothing in particular

just a world that has good rp and nothing like furry or nsfw stuff

[sharp saddle]

Hellooooo.

[fleet helm]

Ayyy I'm new here

[gray dragon]

howdy

[fleet helm]

Hii

[hallow pulsar]

Same here I'm new

[warm pagoda]

People don't play the murder mystery games fair- mute your damned mic in among us

Also i've been trying to create account so i could make avatars but "an unkown error occured"

[gray dragon]

RIp

ya'll why are anime girls cuter than 3d girls

[fleet helm]

O-o idk-

[gray dragon]

like i feel bad for women cause idk how they can compete

aside from, ya know, actually existing

[silver bloom]

VRChat on the Quest 1 Max Performance isn't that bad playing at a higher resolution.

[gray dragon]

still can't see pc users tho, right?

[silver bloom]

Nah

[vocal shard]

does anyone know any good animal avatar worlds

[gray dragon]

i don't understand why that is the case

like i get it maybe quest can't handle it but like that sucks

[silver bloom]

Yeah, pretty dumb

I get 50-60 FPS average

cant go above 60 tho

[ruby needle]

PC Avatars are litereally not compatible as they are compiled for the wrong platform

And you really REALLY dont want to default load all PC avatar's even if that where possible

That already makes high end PC's struggle.

[vocal shard]

i need good avatars

[gray dragon]

i wish there was like an official vrchat download thing so that like i could have a solid snake skin or something that could be seen by quest users and still look good

a killua skin would be sick too

[last rune]

I dont know if this is suitable in this section but. I can't log onto my vr chat account on another device even though i have read what it says my username and used the password that i always use. Can anyone help?

[gray dragon]

sounds rough buddy. good luck, i am of no help

[last rune]

ok

[silver bloom]

#quest-general Is it the same as the original performance? Increased GPU / CPU clock thing forgot the words

lol the vid wont load cuz im on quest browser

[spare spindle]

Calling all Quest users:
I need you to slide into my DM's and recommend me your favorite Quest compatible worlds.
My best friend is getting a Quest 2 and it'll be his first true VR experience, and I want to have a list of good worlds to take him to when he gets into VRC.
They need to be cross platform worlds though since I am on a PC.

Even better, if you like, we can even friend on VRC and you can show me your favorite worlds personally and give me the grand tour if you want, otherwise just let me know the world name so I can look it up and add it to my list after I check it out.

oh hey, I just noticed there's a quest specific general chat lol

maybe I should post there instead

[stone panther]

Can you use keyboard and mouse in VR mode? I want to like, move around and stuff without my hands dangling awkwardly.

[dusty dock]

aight, who is spending new years eve in vrchat? 🙂

[ruby needle]

A lot of people i know, and their people to

[stone panther]

Can you stream Die Hard 3 in VRchat? That's been my tradition for like ten years.

[ruby needle]

I wouldn't be surprised for a new record.

[dusty dock]

im probably gonna go to a quieter world, im learning sign language before then as i am hoh

but yeah, id love to see some small-scale parties tomorrow 🙂

im also not one for big crowds

[vocal shard]

does
anyone know
good animal avatar worlds

[tall timber]

does anyone here have a g-man skin from hl2 or half life alyx?

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-chihiro-chihiro-fujisaki-execution-gif-19121988

me when lose fortnit

[spare spindle]

@stone panther I don't think you can use m/k as control for the game when in VR, but I think it supports controllers when in VR? you can try that (make sure to be using the Steam version of the game)

so an Xbox or PS4 controller

[warm pagoda]

Hey guys- i tried to make an account so i can make avatars- To make "the knight" from Hollow knight as an avatar
but the website keeps saying an unknown error occured

[spare spindle]

what browser are you using? @warm pagoda

[warm pagoda]

Chrome?

[spare spindle]

try default Edge or Firefox

[warm pagoda]

ok- i'll try

[spare spindle]

(actually, scratch Edge as it's now based on Chromium so it wouldn't be any different than Chrome I think)

[warm pagoda]

Well idk honestly

i'm 14 so check that off- verified email-

so its really an unkown error but

idk how to fix it

[spare spindle]

just try using Firefox for doing stuff on the website, see if that gets you passed any errors.
Make sure you aren't using any weird add ons for your browser either. Like adblock. sometimes adblock and interfere with certain things on certain websites

are you playing the game via Oculus store on PC or Quest, or Steam on PC? @warm pagoda

it's possible that the account creation part of the site is experiencing issues right now but will be operational later.
If on PC and using Steam version of the game, you could create an account and log in using Steam account

if all else fails

[warm pagoda]

ok well uhm

nevermind it just decided to fix itself

[spare spindle]

oh well, there you go lol.

[warm pagoda]

sorry to trouble you

[spare spindle]

no trouble

[amber juniper]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 30684 users in VRChat currently

[amber juniper]

hui...

let's see if we can break the 33k tomorrow

[spare spindle]

Does that number include all users period? or just those in online mode and not users in DND mode?
Or does it also not include those in private instances and friends instances and only includes public?

[amber juniper]

all users which are in the game right now

[iron acorn]

that means everybody

[spare spindle]

so regardless of online status, instance type, or paltform. just literally everyone who's logged in

[amber juniper]

no, all which are playing

(you can be logged in through the website or the API)

[spare spindle]

that's what I meant. I didn't mean logged in as in on the website or anything lol

[iron acorn]

those which occupy server capacity 🙂

[spare spindle]

that's a decent number. 30k isn't anything to laugh at tbh.
And I'm sure it's even more on weekends and stuff.

[amber juniper]

I would love to see the metrics >.>

[iron acorn]

i wanna see grafana

😩

[rich blaze]

Anyone wanna play?

[amber juniper]

that's basically the most users online ever, just 1-2 days ago there where 33k

[spare spindle]

I mean, what did you have in mind? game mode worlds? just random exploration? mirror ganging it up? movies/tv? @rich blaze

[rich blaze]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 30378 users in VRChat currently

[rich blaze]

Up to you

[honest forge]

it hit 37k randomly

[amber juniper]

whot?

when?

[honest forge]

very scary time we live in, quest users....

like the 27th

[amber juniper]

hey, quest users atleast use more or less optimized avatars ;)

[spare spindle]

@rich blaze you on PC with VR, Desktop mode, or standalone Quest?

[rich blaze]

PC Vr

Rift S

[honest forge]

quest users speak in a higher tone

[onyx star]

yo who down for some among us

[rich blaze]

Me

[onyx star]

yo bet

[iron acorn]

i own a valve index and a quest 2

[amber juniper]

probably just the bad microphone quality :P

[onyx star]

add me

[rich blaze]

Bet

You on VR?

[spare spindle]

I'm sorry to hear that. you experience any of the typical issues with your unit? like the built in audio and/or mic?

[onyx star]

ya

im quest 2 link

[iron acorn]

my valve index died

[onyx star]

how?

[iron acorn]

currently under RMA

[spare spindle]

The Rift S overall is a decent enough unit though.
Better than some of the older WMR headsets

[iron acorn]

lol valve index isnt very well built

fantastic headset, literally fails out of nowhere though, especially controllers

[amber juniper]

sadly that's true

[iron acorn]

quest 2 is a lot better built, i hate to say it

no issues

[amber juniper]

my HTC Vive feels really robust and sturdy, but the index feels flimsy :/

[spare spindle]

what did you expect? it's the first edition lol. when a 2nd gen version releases it should be better since they should learn from the mistakes of the first

[iron acorn]

quest 2 feels pretty sturdy

[honest forge]

correct

[iron acorn]

valve's first edition steam controllers are literally indestructible bricks

[honest forge]

but quest users, arent usually the best society in general since most of it is a bit too young

[iron acorn]

i dont understand why they didnt use what they learned from those

the joystick on the steam controller is literally like 10X better than the index

[spare spindle]

true, most users on Quest are going to be younger teens because it's an affordable gift for the kids sort of thing

@iron acorn (me sitting here with my CV1 and 1st Gen Touch controllers living it up with high build quality and zero issues)

[honest forge]

true, but my god, puberty needs to happen faster if they gonna speak into a microphone thats 1 inch away

[iron acorn]

that was rhetorical by the way, i know exactly why they didnt use the steam controller's joystick

[amber juniper]

well... the thumpstick issue isn't easily solvable because of their size... the only way to make them robust would be to make most parts out of metal, and use hall effect sensors.

[iron acorn]

it costs 10X as much as well

[gleaming hill]

Squeakers get muted as soon as I hear them.

[spare spindle]

do we still use the term "squekers" in this day and age?

or are you just showing your age

[iron acorn]

lol

[gleaming hill]

They get called squeakers in games I play

[amber juniper]

I call them just kids without manners

[iron acorn]

anyway this is why i have a quest 2 and an index

quest 2 is the backup headset because it wont fail

[gleaming hill]

Unless Facebook bans you

[spare spindle]

I still have yet to upgrade my headset, and it's cuz of the shortcomings of the options I have available/price for it

[amber juniper]

I thought of getting a quest 2 as well, just for fun and stuff... but yeah, facebook...

[iron acorn]

quest 2 can be rooted

[amber juniper]

maybe the lawsuits will change some things...

[spare spindle]

sure, I could get upgraded resolution and FOV, but at the cost of controller quality, and having to deal with built in batteries and having to plug them in to recharge as well as some other issues with some of these headsets having dead pixels and other stuff.

[amber juniper]

I heard that thats a hoax

[honest forge]

to be honest 🤔, im going for the rift s cus I have no idea how to do that virtual desktop stuff

[iron acorn]

there is no public root exploit right now, but i can assure you its possible

[honest forge]

also everythings pretty rooted

[spare spindle]

sometimes, I just want to be in VR for like 12 hours, and being able to swap out my batteries is a god send

[amber juniper]

I mean, it certainly can be "rooted", but there is no one who did it yet

[ruby needle]

you dont need any virtual desktop stuff.
Link cable and go. (With the native software)

[iron acorn]

the quest 2 has no secure boot

there is people who have done it..

[amber juniper]

oh? no secure boot? well, that makes it really easy

[odd blaze]

Rift S is -25% currently , have 2 of them (other just for spare parts really cheaper to buy one then having to buy them all seperate)

[gleaming hill]

So they left the bootloader unlocked?

[iron acorn]

bootloader is locked, but no secureboot

you have to reflash it via eMMC

[honest forge]

@ruby needle thats good to know, everyone I know 🤥 says i need that but if thats the case

[ruby needle]

source? 😄

[iron acorn]

similar to 3DS

[honest forge]

guess im making a fb account

[iron acorn]

i have the eMMC pinout diagram somewhere

but you have to literally disassemble the headset & solder 5 wires to it

[spare spindle]

I hacked my 3DS with an R4 Gold cart and a hacked DSI to switch the cart's mode for hacking into the 3DS

[iron acorn]

im talking old school 3ds hacking lol

when you had to hardmod the eMMC

[spare spindle]

you mean before cart hacking and needing to do weird workaround stuff with eShop games and stuff?

[ruby needle]

#general-media

[iron acorn]

no, before that

[spare spindle]

even before that? you talking like the first ever exploits?

that required hard modding?

[iron acorn]

yes

[spare spindle]

damn. that was forever ago lol

kind of like how you hack the Switch Lite lol

[vocal shard]

Hey

[iron acorn]

exactly, yes

[spare spindle]

gotta solder on that goodness and hack the flash memory

[iron acorn]

the exact same process

[ruby needle]

#general-media 👈

[glad gate]

is the rift s graphics and the quest 2 really different???

[spare spindle]

yes?

[ruby needle]

It is.

[spare spindle]

Rift S is 1440p. Quest 2 is like.... 1600p or more?

[glad gate]

which looks better

[ruby needle]

Quest 2 definitely beats the Rift S

[glad gate]

like sharpness

k

nice to know

[spare spindle]

Quest 2 uses a single display I think, while Rift S uses individual displays per eye, but overall the Quest 2 looks better with higher resolution

[ruby needle]

in sharpness the physical IPD settings, even if it's 3 fixed ones is a benefit already.

[glad gate]

Can you see the pixels in both

?

[ruby needle]

You wont find a razor shart VR at current times

Tech's not there yet

[glad gate]

k

[ruby needle]

Not even your computer could properly render all of it.

[odd blaze]

quest 2 have way more 'bloom' then rift s , it will bleed in certain games, check for exsample elite dangerous text difference

[glad gate]

how bout the HP reverb g2

it looks good

like really good

[odd blaze]

g2 is very good shame about the giant controllers (had it)

[ruby needle]

it's reasonable but yeah, the controllers.

[glad gate]

k

[amber juniper]

good picture quality, comfortable, great sound. BUT! terrible, reaaaally terrible controller tracking, and pretty basic controllers

[odd blaze]

g2 comes very close to my glasses , tracking i didnt have much issues with

[amber juniper]

I have two friends with it, one already has basestations and knuckles, and the other one just ordered them

[winter trench]

i want knuckles

[ruby needle]

the missing capacitive sensors are already a dealbreaker for me.

[amber juniper]

the "tracking volume" is very limited

[glad gate]

can't afford good vr headsets right now

me ppor

poor

[odd blaze]

Have you tried it, cause i have ,course its not same as lighthouses, q2/rift s ones are better then g2 ones, but the controller is so big i couldnt use it for my small hands

[glad gate]

k

so what's the best vr headset right now

[amber juniper]

probably index, as an overall good headset

[glad gate]

k

[odd blaze]

Id go - g2+lighhouse tracking controllers, nothing beat its resolution (pimax has other issues)

[ruby needle]

rez isn't everything

rez + FOV in good union does

and index scores better there imo

[amber juniper]

I really enjoy the high refresh rate in certain games ;)

[odd blaze]

Eeh i seen index in games vs g2 , not even close

[glad gate]

k

[odd blaze]

fov is nicer sure

[ruby needle]

if rez is all you care about then no

if the overall package index wins for me

It's the more immersive headset. (Visually.)

FOV is such a strong factor

[odd blaze]

The x3 price isnt worth it for me

[glad gate]

FPaul what vr headset do you have?

[odd blaze]

happens when you use 3 same letters in a row, bot dont like that 🐰

[glad gate]

@ruby needle what vr headset do you have?? just asking...

[spare spindle]

in regards to the Quest 2 "blooming" effect. are you sure you just didn't get a bad unit with bad lenses that cause overly bloomed light and excessive god rays?
These issues have started being documented being a thing on a lot of headsets

[ruby needle]

CV1

[spare spindle]

also, lighting becomes less good in general when you go to a single display and use LCD like they've done with it lol.
OLED dual screens is the best overall, but expensive.
I love my CV1

[ruby needle]

LCD's dont have to be as bad as many wanan talk them to be tho

high quality LCD's can be great display still.

[spare spindle]

I honestly wish I could just mod it to have higher resolution screens because that would be perfect.

yeah, but you think they are using high quality LCD in the Quest 2? or cutting corners

[odd blaze]

Its more about the q2 have to use link and video compression to even run a game like Elite Dangerous , so its gonna be abit more blurry

[ruby needle]

The Quest 2 still looks miles better then the CV1 tho

CV1 and og VIVE are visually crap these days.

I've tried multiple newer ones and hate to come back to it... but as long as it works i keep it.

[odd blaze]

oldest one i got is the lenovo wmr, and ipd dont work to well for me on that 👀 crosseye, backup vr tho

[spare spindle]

IDK. maybe by comparison and only in regards to resolution, but I honestly have no issues with my CV1. yeah sure, resolution isn't the crispiest, but it's not as bad as people try to say it is

[ruby needle]

Nothing speaks against continuing to use it

but it absolutly doesn't amaze anything visually to the newer gen's

[spare spindle]

then again, I don't have anything with higher resolution that I could have spent time with to get used to a higher res

[gleaming hill]

lol FPaul how many Cirno emotes do you have?

[spare spindle]

and I want to upgrade, but I hate having to compromise so much on certain things

[ruby needle]

the CV1's OLED is also in no way flawless either

[ruby needle]

It's literally from one streamer

[ruby needle]

what do you call so much

[elfin iris]

Hi

[ruby needle]

OLED vs LCD is a paper loss, cus the LCD displays of the newer gen's still will beat it visually.

[glad gate]

hi

[elfin iris]

Bye

[glad gate]

bye

[ruby needle]

Would OLED be cool. Yes (no, maybe) but it still doesn't mean they by default are worse.

[gleaming hill]

Well, OLED is a specific type of LCD

[ruby needle]

No

Not even close

It's completely different.

not even the same display type.

OLED is a active display type generating colored light

LCD is a passive display type filtering out light to get color

Hency why OLED is capable of so good blacks

it's like many tiny LED's actively creating the light/image instead of a filter in front of a always on (back)light

[gleaming hill]

Ah yes I was mixing OLED up with AMOLED

AMOLED is an LCD screen

[cold quiver]

lol

[ruby needle]

[odd blaze]

There is a indiegogo for replacement cables ( c3ord ) for older vr headset, it looks pretty good (cv1/rift-s/virtual link) but they are still very early prototypes 🤷‍♂️ friend of mine using a cv1 had to go through hell to get another cable when his broke, have another in germany wich his cable is flakey too

[cold quiver]

amoled = active matrix organic light emitting diode

[spare spindle]

For example, too many issues I've seen with Knuckles and needing to be RMA'd.
Vive wands are trash. I hate them.
I don't like the idea of having to plug in and charge my controllers and the fact that battery life on said controllers isn't all that great.
If I went with a more affordable option for VR headset, I would have to deal with the inside out tracking issues and the fact that said tracking type would interfere quite a bit with my vive trackers and 1.0 base stations.
If I went with the Index, there are plenty of issues I keep seeing about it from the controllers to the headsets and the fact that it costs so much and has so many issues (not a big fan of spending a fortune if I can help it, especially when it doesn't get me a high enough quality product that needs to be RMA'd all the time)

[ruby needle]

AMOLED (like the name suggest) is a type of OLED

So no, also not a LCD

[spare spindle]

Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diodes

hello new, I'm dad

[glad gate]

hi hih ih oh oih

[gleaming hill]

if thats true why is there so much misinformation on the subject out there?

[glad gate]

huhhuh]

[ruby needle]

You're the first i see calling AMOLED a LCD type

[vocal shard]

has anyone seen a hawaiin shirt skin?

[spare spindle]

Liquid Crystal and Organic Light Emitting Diodes are not even remotely the same lol

[ruby needle]

IPS is a LCD Type. VA and TN are LCD types. But OLED / AMOLED are not and technically completely different. 😄

[cold quiver]

I have no idea where you are getting your information from but I'm pretty sure articles out there are quite clear on the differences between oled and lcd displays lol

[spare spindle]

uh, what?

[gleaming hill]

I always thought OLED was just a backlight

[ruby needle]

VR is quite a upgrade BUT most laptop's will not be able to run VR (and if they do then not well.)