vrchat-general-2

[hybrid zephyr]

damn right especially the vagueness is what bothers me

[tacit plank]

Vagueness is a way to hide dishonesty and double standards

[hybrid zephyr]

such wise words ngl

[tacit plank]

Thanks

[vocal shard]

Still... Can we change the subject. It's still not an appropriate topic for here

[clever sandal]

Did you just defend pedophilia with "we just hate it for now, but all was okay with that before"?

[hybrid zephyr]

oh you poor soul

[tacit plank]

We're talking about VRC rules really, but I guess

[hybrid zephyr]

well hold on

im not gonna let that bs slide

[tacit plank]

Not sure what you mean Kenny, you probably misunderstood me

[lament zealot]

I don't believe in hate speech, either they are threatening someone's life or livelihood or they aren't

[hybrid zephyr]

youre looking at it one way that benefits you kenny in this argument

and you misunderstood it

[lament zealot]

oh no, misunderstanding, Kenny, they meant "we were just hating on pedos and everyone agreed that was fine, but hate speech on others is bad...why?" if I am to understand that properly

[clever sandal]

Free speech is not the right to say whatever you want in any situation.

[lament zealot]

the point being that people can hate things, but if they are hating on particular things that people agree is off limits then it becomes bad

[hybrid zephyr]

ok kenny i have to cite the first amendment dont i?

[lament zealot]

so "hate speech" is defined by what is popularly accepted or not

[tacit plank]

Neither is it just the American law. It's an universal idea

[clever sandal]

Okay, tell me the 1st.

[hybrid zephyr]

its one example i like citing that but yea i shouldve added that caffeine

[lament zealot]

Actually, yeah....it's to say anything whenever, as long as it doesn't put another person or animal etc. in any danger or something.

[hybrid zephyr]

since you probably slept in history class here it is

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[lament zealot]

claps

[tacit plank]

"Free speech" exists outside of America too

[hybrid zephyr]

yea but using it as a popular example

[clever sandal]

I need to point out that the 1st amendment isn't an international law.

[lament zealot]

not everywhere though...

[tacit plank]

Also called "freedom of expression" more generally

[hybrid zephyr]

its a universal idea that made the constitution

[rancid flame]

there are still things you can say that can get you put in jail

[pearl loom]

You wanting to get rid of racists in vrchat is hate speech as well in a way kenny

[tacit plank]

But that's bordering on politics, which is against the rules

[hybrid zephyr]

such as?

[lament zealot]

Very good observation Red ^_^

[tacit plank]

We should try to stick to something relevant to VRC

[rancid flame]

for example, yelling fire in a theatre, threatening to assassinate a government official or yelling confidential secrets from the nearest rooftop

[lament zealot]

Politics? We aren't talking about presidents or stuff

this is just philosophy

[hybrid zephyr]

those are actual threats free speech is not putting anyone in danger

[tacit plank]

Unfortunately "politics" is very wide, so the mods might disagree

[hybrid zephyr]

ugh

[lament zealot]

CrookedToe, those are things that actually can put people in danger though

[hybrid zephyr]

and full circle

[lament zealot]

that's why they are illegal

[rancid flame]

im saying that freespeech isnt absolute and it doesnt cover everything you can say

[tacit plank]

"Slander", "threats" and such are exceptions, but they're exceptions for a good reason, it's not like we want to create as many as possible

[hybrid zephyr]

lets play by their rules that we agree, we blindly agree to chill, and say its philisophy its just too vague to be politics

[lament zealot]

I think it's a big issue we need to figure out though...it's something that effects vrchat worlds a lot

[tacit plank]

Racism isn't the issue, because if that stopped they'd still say that furries deserve to die or something

[lament zealot]

yep

[tacit plank]

It's just that some kinds of people are unpleasant to be around

[lament zealot]

there will always be people that other people are trying to justify silencing or getting rid of

[tacit plank]

Mostly if they're bitter and hateful in general, and narrow-sighted

[lament zealot]

true, but not always

like, with the furries

[tacit plank]

My friends are quite open-minded and take an interest in that which is different, and give others the benefit of doubt

[hybrid zephyr]

i think thats how the world should be more open minded and less one sided and dive deep on both sides

like i get wanting to stop racism but are we really gonna give up free speech for it?

[tacit plank]

It's a complex issue

[pure python]

How does one achieve smooth full body tracking? I've seen people dance and jitter while others move smooth like an animation playing.

[rancid flame]

you just need to have the trackers secured well

[pure python]

So wear shoes and tie trackers to it?

how about the waist

[lament zealot]

I don't think it's particularly complex, the current popular opinion shouldn't dictate who is or isn't allowed to be around or say what they think....it should be is it actually putting anyone in danger

[tacit plank]

Something which might work is if you lose trust-rank by friending people who do bad things and get banned, but then we'd have a dystopia within long

[vocal shard]

super glue it to the side of the hips

[rancid flame]

you can get a trackstrap or drill a hole into a belt

[pure python]

I do have trackstraps, but they still move around alot

[lament zealot]

I mean, some guys go around hitting on girls and making them feel uncomfortable, and people can just block them....the guys don't need to be blocked, they aren't really putting anyone in danger after all

[rancid flame]

its all about having it not move around at all

[clever sandal]

Think of it like this; if folk came to your house and started to scream things that was seen as hate speech, would calling the police to get those folk removed be censorship? VRC it a game owned by a company that have rules for how to use that program, is it then censorship to ask for the rules to be followed?

[hybrid zephyr]

youd have people not adding each other because of that fear

[tacit plank]

There's no solution which doesn't bring a worse problem with it. It's up to us to use the in-game functions like "mute" and "block"

[pearl loom]

Kenny moving the goalpost

[lament zealot]

I mean...nobody should be in your house without your permission or a search warrant...

[hybrid zephyr]

its not censorship to ask for the rules to be followed though a basic human principle isnt being violated, an online space you can leave, that situation is something else

[pure python]

Another question tho, why does my foot trackers only reach just below the knee of my avatar and not to the foot?

[tacit plank]

And for VRC not to make people "trusted" if they keep getting blocked

[vocal shard]

That's due to the avatar proportions themselves

[lament zealot]

vrc isn't their house though, it's closer to being our house...each new instance of a room being like a hotel room

[hybrid zephyr]

isnt that implemented?

[pearl loom]

If they keep getting blocked they get nuisance rank

[lament zealot]

they don't have the right to come into our private rooms randomly

[tacit plank]

No problem with rules being enforced, as long as they are always enforced

Racism against asians is just as serious as racism against blacks

[hybrid zephyr]

and theyre clearly defined and universally agreed upon

[pure python]

What modifications would I need to alter within the 3d model to make it compatible with trackers. I would assume it also has to do with my height?

[vocal shard]

You'd need to shorten the legs themselves in blender

[tacit plank]

But rules are enforced selectively, and it becomes an issue that people are aware of but don't dare to talk about

[pure python]

That would make sense, but that would make my avatar look too weird.

Would shortening the chest and legs balance it out?

or wouldn't that just kinda defeat the purpose..

[tacit plank]

I haven't seen a single person with "Nuisance" in over a year, but I have seen plently of "trusted" users crash others with particle guns

[lament zealot]

censorship just doesn't sound like a good idea....we are all supposed to be old enough to use vrchat....so also...old enough to not need protecting from the big bad world of people who say hurtful things...right?

[clever sandal]

To hide and block folk that break the rules do not help, they are still breaking the rules and make it worse for all. You can block folk that grief and use crashers, but other will run in to the same folk that is just out make VRC look bad. The best option is to get rid of folk that want to make VRC look bad.

[tacit plank]

Yes, if one is unable to bear conflicting opinions and swear words then I don't think they're mature enough for VRC to begin with

[vocal shard]

I felt the same at first. But now actually most avatars look odd to me now that my personal model has realistic proportions. Basically the game scales your height to your arm length. So if you can find a balance of arm to height, it will work

[clever sandal]

And for now I think I have around 300 blocked individuals and 15 friends.

[tacit plank]

That's because VRC don't punish users who are blocked or banned a lot

[pure python]

Okay, I see. I will do that then.

[tacit plank]

You must be very critical, or hang out in big, public instances

I have like 5 people blocked and 740 friends

[lament zealot]

I mean...trying to eliminate people who don't...fit the image.....never really went down so well in history lol.....

[tacit plank]

The most popular places have a lot of trolls who love attention (and thus go places with many people)

[lament zealot]

It's best just to let people be people and when they threaten other people's rights to just be people then we step in

[hybrid zephyr]

claps and raises drink

[tacit plank]

As long as VRC takes user reports seriously, it's fine

But they don't really seem too, I wonder if they're too busy?

[lament zealot]

maybe...dunno...

[hybrid zephyr]

its mostly an algorithm judging reports, expect it to be dumb

[tacit plank]

"Yoko's Loli Avatar's" has two booth models that disallow redestribution. Me and some of my friends have already reported it

[lament zealot]

and even then...they should still take all user reports with a grain of salt, people falsely accuse people of stuff all the time, you know?

[tacit plank]

It has been up for over a year and has over 275K visits

My own world was taken down for having 6 reports when it had 12K visits. I don't agree with the judgement, but that's a seperate manner

[rough pagoda]

"that's gross!"

[dry hare]

New to VR, how do i set up avatars

[hybrid zephyr]

what was it taken down for?

[tacit plank]

Over a year ago. It had a picture with the average IQ of each country

That wasn't received well, hah

[clever sandal]

I only become friends with folk I know or meet on a regular basis, and when some called me "Fur fag" for selecting a wolf as a starter avatar I looked up "Furry" and went to a Fur Convent. It was often "stormed" by trolls and to be able to talk you had to block, for what the troll was affecting my ability to peak freely. So trolls, grievers with crashers, sound spam and so on that I ran into are blocked or muted.

[tacit plank]

Jökull there's various guides on Youtube. You need the correct version of Unity at least

[hybrid zephyr]

i think thats thought provoking

[tacit plank]

That's fair enough, I also blocked a lot of people back when knuckles were a thing. But generally I don't meet many problematic people, since I don't go to bigger public instances

[clever sandal]

I think VRC should rename "Friends" to "Contacts", I do not think folk can have 750 "friends" 🙂

[hybrid zephyr]

i guess youve been on vrchat for 2 years?

[tacit plank]

Most are my friends! I don't have time to visit everyone though..

Started december 2017

Oh, 3 years around this time, thanks for reminding me

[clever sandal]

A friend is someone you can name, a contact is some you know and may want to contact.

[tacit plank]

I can tell you where they're from and what sort of person they are and have interacted with them at least a few times

[vocal shard]

I would really like a note system

[tacit plank]

27th december will be my 3rd year playing

[lament zealot]

If people start harassing, stalking, and using crashers and things then that becomes not "hate speech" but actually harassment and assault

[tacit plank]

I have a document for writing down people

So that I don't forget why I added them and what we did together

Otherwise it might get awkward. "Hey didn't we go to just H together? No? Sorry, must have mistaken you for another guy"

[clever sandal]

Maybe that is an idea, to be able to add folk as friends or contacts, I some time want to invite "friends" to a place, but some are just folk I added for they may play good music and I want to know when they go to a open stage.

[tacit plank]

We have the "favorite" category already, but I filled mine out

Friend levels could be cool, like "This guy can also join me when I'm in orange" but it would be complicated and take a lot of resources and such

VRC servers already have a hard time refreshing peoples friendslists it seems

[clever sandal]

Well, I may be an odd ball, but I will only add folk meet on regular basis as friends, I can not see a point have a list of 1000 manes if I can't remember who they are or where I did meet them.

[tacit plank]

Even though text should take up a minimal amount of space

These are over 3 years, and I only forget them because I haven't seen some in many months or because they change name and avatar and icon

[clever sandal]

But I may need to stop being a boomer and go the millennial way with "He who has most friends win".

[tacit plank]

Nah that's Facebook mentality

I like to think that we're above that here

[ruby tiger]

Delete facebook. Hit the gym. Lawyer up /s

[tacit plank]

Fun statistics: I've licked at least 300 of my friends in the face to see their reactions

[clever sandal]

Facebook, the thing you need to start your Oculus Quest 2.

[tacit plank]

I'll never use Facebook products

And I don't care how expensive the alternatives are

[vocal shard]

I'm curious how the lawsuit develops

[clever sandal]

Nor had I until I made the mistake to buy Oculus Quest.

[tacit plank]

Exactly 14000 people online

It was nice while it lasted

[clever sandal]

in VRC, where do you get that info?

[tacit plank]

VRCBot in the Discord menu to the right

[clever sandal]

Ah, I thought it was in VRC and not Discord, it had been fun to see active users in VRC.

[quick wave]

guys im having a problem can u guys help me to fuix it im playing vr chat in PC and when i go a to a multiplayer and the other player characters are blocking my face

and if they block my screen with their character for long time my game will crash

can u guys help me to fix it

[tacit plank]

That should be the VRC numbers. There's 34000+ in this Discord

Are people doing that intentionally? You might want to hide their avatar or block them

Some shaders lag exponentially more the closer they are to your viewpoint, so maybe that's what's crashing you

[quick wave]

can u friend me i dont understand correclty so u can show me

[tacit plank]

You use that blue beam to click on them and then "hide avatar"

Then they turn into harmless robots

[quick wave]

then how will i see their avatars?

u mean they will be a blue robot

loading robot?

[tacit plank]

I don't really have time to show you now, I have a deadline.
And something like that yes

[quick wave]

ok ill do what u said and check it

[tacit plank]

If they crash you intentionally. You shouldn't crash just because people get close

You might crash because you are very laggy though

[quick wave]

yeah if they get close my game will crash

[tacit plank]

Any people?

[clever sandal]

I had once some trouble whit the setting that do not allow other avatars to come to close, it did not crash me, but if there was a mirror near and avatars was rendered and de-rendered it often caused some lag spikes. I then did turn that function off then I have no problem with folk getting to close.

[tacit plank]

It's called "Safe space", I turned it off too so that people could pat my head

[quick wave]

and i have a problem again if i take the brush skin my game crash if i restart the game again it again crashed when i change the brush skin my crash gone it was soo hard to change

it will crash in 5 seconds so i change the skin fast

[pearl loom]

🤨

[quick wave]

...

[clever sandal]

If you made an VRChat account you can log in on the VRC web and change to an default avatar from there.

[quick wave]

im playing through steam

[clever sandal]

You can create an VRC account and then merge them together, in that way you can log in with steam and VRChat, the VRChat account on the web is rather useful.

[tacit plank]

There's probably also a hotkey/keybind to change to the original robot avatar

"Pressing the keys Ctrl and \ at the time time while in the VRChat application will set you to a grey robot avatar locally, which will allow you to change to a different avatar."

Found it

[clever sandal]

The VRC web is often like a hidden feature, I started by logging in with Oculus, and that was not optimal for me, then I created a VRC-account and the web did open up functionalities I didn't know existed, like the ability to see when friends login and where they are.

[pseudo basalt]

It's a secret only a select few vrchat players know

[finite python]

uhhh mirrors are broken for me

i've tried like 4 worlds

mirrors are just a white slate

[clever sandal]

I had some trouble before after I had tabbed out to Windows or something like that, I had to restart my computer to get it to work again. But have it been staying like that even after a restart?

[finite python]

i'll try restarting the game 1 sec

[clever sandal]

I try to remeber what I did when that did happen to me, I think I was playing with the camera and panorama function, and maybe when I did try to tab out to watch the image.

[cold quiver]

trying to take a panorama causes that

persists until you restart your game

[vocal shard]

Lol

[ionic heart]

If I delete a public avatar I've uploaded, do people who cloned it lose access? Can't find this information on Google

[vocal shard]

yes

it will say "avatar no available" or something like that

[fossil steeple]

Hey, is there A autorole Chanel

[vocal shard]

no (?)

[wide rover]

Yo cyberpunk ain't that bad

[vocal shard]

it's pretty shallow tho

I have fun in it but it's clearly not the game that they hyped

[wide rover]

Get yo hands on cyberpunk 2088

[pearl loom]

Give them a few years

Then play it

Witcher 3 wasnt what it is now, on release

[vocal shard]

it wasnt as buggy tho and wasn't shallow and lacking either

[pearl loom]

Eeh even now its a bit lacking
Tho mods fix it

Witcher 3 has good modding community

A lot of the features dont work on it on vanilla, signs and certain specs are unbalanced
Some stuff stacks to multiple times for no god damn reason
Theres no reason to use most swords and sets since witcher gear is just superior

And death march is way too easy, it should be the default difficulty

[vocal shard]

those are not core game issues tbh

[pearl loom]

So if you want the true witcher 3 experience with how it was intended to be, ghostmode mod is a must have

Oh yeah npcs dont disappear once u look away in witcher 3, the problems only arise when u know whats going on

Casual gamers can go through witcher 3 and not notice a thing

[wide rover]

Too many words to read

[pearl loom]

Reading is hard

Tldr even now witcher 3 has some issues but modding commumity fixed a lot of them with mods, even rewriting a lot of cdpr messy code

[glossy wharf]

I don't read books cause my attention span is too small but I'm gonna argue about definitions i don't understand

[vocal shard]

big brain

[vocal shard]

My worlds are actually starting to get consistent visits

[pearl loom]

Still waiting for the daily avatar optimization talk

[tacit plank]

Why does vrcat look like doge?

[pearl loom]

Looks like fox to me

Almost

Yo good morning Lamb

[vocal shard]

Looks like fox 🦊 take on your glasses and take a better look~

[vocal shard]

Morning~

[pearl loom]

How did you sleep

[vocal shard]

Oki ish still a bit sleepy

[pearl loom]

Thats good

Ive been awake for like 5.5 hours

Just 5 more hours to go

[vocal shard]

Working?

[pearl loom]

Yeep

Lunch break now and then back to work

[vocal shard]

Take care!

[pearl loom]

My work is kinda slow paced so Ill hang around chat until my phone dies

[winged needle]

Why do people just sit infront of mirrors and do nothing for hours

[pearl loom]

Multiple reasons

[vocal shard]

Rank point farming which you don't get~

Saying they have played the game for this many hours (by looking in a mirror)

Could also be of anxiety

As Red said multiple reasons

[swift cloud]

its like sitting at home on your couch on your phone for hours

just with a few more ppl

[pearl loom]

Also its relaxing just chilling around
Also people like looking at their avatar

They could also be on discord talk so it may look like they are just sitting silently, they might be talking to people next to them anyways

[vocal shard]

wassup yall?

[regal furnace]

the ceiling

[pearl loom]

[night hollow]

Ssup

[signal charm]

.

[pseudo trout]

Hey yall! Installed the game recently, although im still learning the ropes of it!

[thorn bay]

tbh i just installed the game recently too

[pseudo trout]

I kinda joined a few portals or whatnot, and they were mostly empty, didn't feel like intruding in the groups

[shut urchin]

Just casually walk up and say hi, most people won't shy away from you joining in especially if public. If they do, oh well move on:)

[fair egret]

Just gotta find the right people you click with, you'll find a group, they'll introduce you to others, and it only goes up from there. 😄

[frank tinsel]

im new to vrchat and the vr world any worlds recommend

[pseudo trout]

^ ooh that would be nice to know 👀

[neat mesa]

New and lonely +1

[sharp saddle]

Black Cat, Room of Rain, The Great Pug (if on PC and don't mind the chaos) and Summer of Solitude are my picks.

[austere hemlock]

Anyone got suggestions for a headset? The mixed reality I have isn't cutting it for me

[sharp saddle]

What's your budget and PC specs?

[austere hemlock]

Below 400-500..I'll need to do a dxdiag when I get on my computet

[sharp saddle]

Oculus line.

You'll have to deal with Facebook's bullshit but that's your best bet.

[austere hemlock]

Oculus Rift S?

[vocal shard]

quest 2

[austere hemlock]

I have a lot of avatars that are not quest compatible

[sharp saddle]

Quest 2 + Link Cable.

[vocal shard]

you can buy Oculus Link, yes ^

to be able to see PC avatars in Quest itself & play other PCVR games

[hollow ingot]

Rift S's main + was Facebook login not required... before Oct.?
I now have ~2 years.

[sharp saddle]

That's for existing Oculus users.

Let's hope the lawsuit works.

[austere hemlock]

Gonna take a while to save up, but till then, desktop will do

[vocal shard]

could be the reason why quest 2's cheap cause of Facebook

[hollow ingot]

I've since bought a replacement cable($80) for my S, and some WD-40 specialist electrical contact cleaner(<$10) to lessen my thumbstick drift.
Was supposedly getting a new controller ($70), but I've mistakenly gotten a right controller instead of a left

[sharp saddle]

RIP.

[vocal shard]

HmMmmM

[rotund bluff]

Desktop is a fine solution. I was a VR only player for the longest time(2.5 years) but now I do a lot of desktop play.

[odd blaze]

Rift S is on sale for 299 in US anyway , most places have it -20-25% ,just terrible mic

[lament mantle]

need a bit oh help how i do fix humanoid avatar must have head hands and feet bones maped

[sharp saddle]

SDK 2 or 3?

[lament mantle]

SKD 2

it work befor with my 1st one

[sharp saddle]

#user-support-old message

Someone had this exact problem.

[vocal shard]

Hello

[sharp saddle]

Hello.

That was short-lived.

[proper stratus]

Best conversation 20/20

Hello Artemus, how are you this fine Monday?

[languid beacon]

If you're going to deal with facebook you might as well go Quest 2 with a Link Cable, instead of a Rift S. Cheaper and better visuals, and mic won't make you sound like a robot.

You'll need a facebook account either way

i hate recommending it, hopefully someone else makes a good cheap headset eventually

[knotty sapphire]

Or maybe virtual desktop instead of link cable

[languid beacon]

I was very unhappy with virtual desktop, but some like it

I'm very intolerant of even a small bit of latency

It might have been my router but the delay due to being wireless made me a little dizzy

[umbral reef]

Also the rift S doesnt have any proper support anymore while it still has some bugs
I dont see them dropping support for the quest 2 any time soon

[odd blaze]

Detail goes down vs Rift s when using a link , compressed video, already multiple places showed that (okey its not a big difference but still) but it get fuzzier

[knotty sapphire]

5ghz router?

I only been messing with my router settings changing stuff to get smooth experience of vd

[languid beacon]

There is three levels of video degregation, VD has the most, then 2.0 Link cable has far less, and then 3.0 Link cable basically is nearly undistinguishable from native (though it is there if your scene gets overwhemlingly noisy, like confetti in the air or something)

Quest 2 with a 3.0 Link cable has a sharper image than a Rift S, since Rift S has lower resolution displays

but VD in the same situation is far worse

[unreal verge]

I use VD

I don't have a compatible cable for my PC

[languid beacon]

USB PCI-E cards are pretty cheap if you just need to add a USB-C

unless you really like your wireless

the visual upgrade was worth for me

[unreal verge]

Uh well yeah, i play most of the time while laying in bed

The PC is 2 rooms apart

[languid beacon]

I do miss the wireless being on index

it's a shame Facebook wants to own VR, if they can do a all-in-one headset for 299 i'm sure a PC exclusive headset that doesn't need an on-board CPU could be far cheaper, but they're not interested in doing that

[unreal verge]

They already have over 50% of SteamVR

Oculus users are the majority now

[short robin]

Us wmr users are oppressed

[fresh tiger]

Just a heads up, I've seen a group of people advertising for some other VR social game called ChilloutVR. I've run into at least 7 of them in different worlds last night. Apparently the person organizing it is a vrc world creator

[vocal shard]

I would rather go cardboard instead of oculus

but thats just my opinion that nobody needs :3

[frosty veldt]

If you sit in this discord for long enough it's the same

Advertising something worse imo

[fresh tiger]

They go around butting into any convo saying that whatever we're doing is better done in ChilloutVR

Ah, that's his name

Maebbie

[short robin]

Shilling out for chillout

Shilloutvr

[vocal shard]

Yeah they were in the discord chat two or so weeks ago

[fresh tiger]

ShilloutVR

[short robin]

Lol

[vocal shard]

complete poopyheads

[frosty veldt]

Names don't matter, no point it going over to another social game at this point

[fresh tiger]

I hope they know that all the shilling makes me less interested in shillout

[frosty veldt]

Let me just re-upload everything :))))))

[vocal shard]

Yeah I made that point loud and clear to them.

[unreal verge]

i've that game

it's not even close to finished

[frosty veldt]

Yeah I hold no malice towards the game, hope it succeeds in it's own right. Doesnt mean I'll ever swap over though

[fresh tiger]

The Maebbie person made a few worlds like Aria

But their shilling is fucking annoying

[unreal verge]

I'll switch over if i get banned from VRChat because my room mate uses mods

Since bans are acc, IP and HWID

But currently don't have a reason

[shadow fractal]

hi

[little kraken]

Are those random bans still happening?

[sharp saddle]

Shouldn't be.

[little kraken]

Hmmm, cuz I was just banned for modified client and I dont use one

So they might still be

Idek

[unreal verge]

VRChat tends to be random sometimes, best is to wait a bit and restart your PC and router. If that doesn't work contact support.

[sharp saddle]

#vrchat-support, submit a ticket.

Are you using a VPN by chance?

[little kraken]

Are vpn against tos?

[unreal verge]

No

Tupper even recommended them to use one with VRChat together

[little kraken]

Cuz I use one when I'm at work cuz I'm on public wifi

[unreal verge]

I also use one

[broken plover]

the only problem with using a vpn is, that there is the possibility of using the same vpn that someone else used while breaking the tos (for example using modded clients) so when you connect to the same vpn it bans you

[unreal verge]

But i got my own private IP adress no one else can use

[vocal shard]

Yep! Since all of the "good ones" are common so are the ban evaders using them

[little kraken]

Oh

[broken plover]

but from what I heard, connecting to a different vpn it unbans you (not 100% sure, but thats what I heard from other people)

[vocal shard]

So to the system, it looks like you are a alt account when really you are not sometimes, mistakenly

[unreal verge]

I use them to avoid getting banned cause of my room mate who uses mods lol

Cause we share same IP

[vocal shard]

reminds me of someone used an exploit that can change other players avatar and makes their game crash after launch, and that false ban messages says the same thing

[little kraken]

Damn, well I submitted a ticket. I hope it's not a problem and gets resolved

[unreal verge]

If you mention that you use a VPN they should theoritically lift the ban

Did you got 1 month or 100 years?

[little kraken]

4 year

[unreal verge]

Mmh... Usually they made them 100 years now but ok

[little kraken]

Yea idk

[unreal verge]

My VRCX spooked me today. Was spamming that i apperantly got banned for 4 years too but after starting VRChat there was no ban lol

[magic magnet]

why does the vrc website keep telling me name change unavailable when I enter the new name I want? The name isn't taken and it's giving me the green checkmark

[vocal shard]

have you been changing your name before?

[magic magnet]

mhm I've changed it a few times

but I have name change available

[vocal shard]

I guess the server's having a hiccup rn, some people can't connect to vrchat #user-support-old

[magic magnet]

ah okay

i'll try later i guess

i think the whole world is having internet issues atm. lol. hopefully it's just the servers and not my account or somethin being weird idfk

[vocal shard]

yeah.. Discord was lagging hours ago, my friend can't open Google/YT

[magic magnet]

google was down this morning

some us gov agencies were hacked too

rip

[granite siren]

You know what would be really handy, being able to drag your saved avatars and organizing them

[vocal shard]

ah, yes.. would love to see that

instead of re-favoriting the whole avatar just to get it organized

[granite siren]

Another thing, the vrc menu doesn’t stay still with the player, so it would be a major improvement if the menu moved with the player instead of finding a place to sit still

[vocal shard]

I got to a community worlds lab and started falling off the world infinitely.. had to close my game just for that.

maybe suggest it #feature-requests

[granite siren]

Another thing, I’m not paying a subscription for vrc+ unless it’s a life time purchase. They could probably make more money that way because I know how people are with subscriptions

[native meadow]

Br chat plus is for supporting the people bringing it to you but I dont think it is a bad idea but tbh it needs some work before I think of it as a available purchase

Valuable

[subtle nest]

I think them charging a subscription to vrc is totally worth it.
I have vrc, there isn't anything I can do with it that I couldn't do without it, except the logos and extra favorites

Especially since it's a free to play game

[vocal shard]

And since the game is constantly paying out huge amounts of money to keep it running (compared to other games which just have to pay for development and publishing), a one time payment isn't sustainable

[native meadow]

I haven't gotten vr yet so kinda waiting to see what its really like if I enjoy it then hell I wouldn't mind giving a few bucks a month to support the gams

[subtle nest]

I've yet to hear someone say they don't like VR. Like even the people who get motion sickness who I have try one of my headsets are even saying it's really cool.

[languid beacon]

One-Time Payment in online only games are never sustainable. That's why online games that you buy either have microtransactions (lootboxes) or still require you subscribe

[native meadow]

I mean its hella dope but it's only good if you meet good people I've met just as many creepy and weird people as the occasional good one

[vocal shard]

I've heard people say they hate vr... But only after using Google cardboard and stuff like that

[native meadow]

Google cardboard bru that's like saying you hate cars but only ever used a 2003 Toyota

[subtle nest]

I think my first shock with VR is how many little kids had access to it before I did.

[languid beacon]

I've never had someone use a modern headset and come off as anything less than amazed. anything CV1 and forward is fundimentally different from 3 DOF VR

[native meadow]

I'd like vr but goddang it's so expensive

[subtle nest]

Yo you better not diss the '03 corolla. Things a beast.
And yeah it's expensive, but it's slowly becoming more available.

Especially compared to consoles

[umbral reef]

Oi nothing against my toyota cars
Those babies function just fine and cant die

[languid beacon]

If facebook can do an all in-one headset for 299 usd, then someone should be able to do a PC-only one for even cheaper

[native meadow]

XD I had a bad incident with one

[umbral reef]

Facebook has 'fuck it' money though, what most other companies dont have

[subtle nest]

Yeah and the quest is missing a few things a PC only one would need. That's why it can be connected

[languid beacon]

ok but at least a PC-only headset that can at least match price with Quest 2

[languid beacon]

Quest is missing a few things but has a bunch of expensive stuff that PCVR headsets don't need (which increase production cost and weight)

[frosty veldt]

Yeah cant facebook sell at a loss since they just sell your data later to fill the cost lmao

[native meadow]

But like you want a good headset to see the non robots in vr you need to lay down 400 atleast

If you want full body better pull at a couple k

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 connected to PC sees everything

[native meadow]

My friend had some issues with the headset being uncomfortable

[vocal shard]

Lenovo explorer had a good position. It wasn't perfect, but it was a $200 full pc headset. Wish an iteration of that was still around

[native meadow]

He said the quest 2 did not go well for long playthroughs

[languid beacon]

I don't like Facebook but they were making PCVR headset prices competitive, that's going to hurt

[native meadow]

Its Facebook that's a mega corporation for ya

Money is power people

[languid beacon]

Valve doesn't get excused, Index is not a 1K headset

It's overpriced

[subtle nest]

I still love it tho

[vocal shard]

Agree

[languid beacon]

It's great, but the price is not justified

[native meadow]

Definitely

Maybe its smart to just wait a few years somethings gotta come out

[subtle nest]

Oh far from it. But the headset itself isn't 1000. It's the fact that they priced the controllers separate from the headset

Because they're a selling point on their own

[native meadow]

The controllers are the only thing you really want

[ruby needle]

[native meadow]

There's alot better choices for a headset

[vocal shard]

Well the headset is still excellent

[ruby needle]

Based on? Rez isn't everything.

[vocal shard]

Pimax has issues, and reverb g2 is having issues now

Lots of dead pixels in reverb g2, and horrible customer service

[subtle nest]

Oh I enjoy it. Being able to see what's in my room is my favorite.

[languid beacon]

Rez isn't everything. FOV is everything. I'll take a hypothetical full-vision headset even if it's a blurry mess.

[native meadow]

I mean all we can do is support the advancement its come a long way but it has a long way to go

[ruby needle]

REZ and FOV need to be in a good corealltion tho, plus lenses should be allright

Index is imo in that case the best experience as a whole atm.

[languid beacon]

the thing with FOV is it spoils you. you can't downgrade FOV. at least I can't. I'm stuck with Index until it's FOV becomes industry standard.

[vocal shard]

Someone got a reverb g2, it had dead pixels, they RMA'd it, and got a used demo model in return

[native meadow]

Dang

[frosty veldt]

Probably going to stick with my OG Vive until it stops working

[vocal shard]

HP support confirmed it was a demo model since "that's all they had"

[native meadow]

Why can people win arguments by waving a wand in your face with a see through ball and your system just says fuck

[proper stratus]

Wait, where can I buy one of those irl?

[native meadow]

Damn I'm waiting I'm gonna try and save up for an index atm

[languid beacon]

I don't recommend buying an index this late into the game

[subtle nest]

What?

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

My index will finally ship in 2 weeks

[frosty veldt]

Is there anything else coming out soon?

[native meadow]

I met someone and well my pc went crash

[subtle nest]

Yeah honestly, the index is best option out there atm. Prove me wrong.

[native meadow]

I mean quest 2 is the best option for affordability

[languid beacon]

If money is nothing to you, sure, it's the best option. But on bang for your buck it's too much buck for the bang

[vocal shard]

VR's actually getting cheaper

[native meadow]

Unless you've only been on vr for 2 weeks and have 150 hours

[languid beacon]

1K for is a huge buy-in for Valve's ecosystem and I'm not entirely confident their next headset is going to stick with lighthouse tracking...

[subtle nest]

If VR is only something you play from time to time and you don't want to shell out a bunch of money,
I'd agree with you.

[native meadow]

Definitely

[subtle nest]

And valves ecosystem? You mean playing with SteamVR? Even oculus did that the last I checked.

[languid beacon]

Lighthouse tracking

[frosty veldt]

If their next headset doesnt have lighthouse tracking its DOA

[proper stratus]

Index is blurry for me, but FOV is great. I wear glasses though... Hoping some prescription lenses in the Index will decrease the blur.

[languid beacon]

Index is the sharpest headset I've worn. What are you comparing it's blurriness to?

[frosty veldt]

Prescription lenses are amazing btw, makes it so much less of a hassle

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard Please take a read into #rules

Specifically §15

[pseudo trout]

👀

How are yall?

[hollow ingot]

[proper stratus]

Vive. For me it's comparable to vive in terms of blurriness. Most text is difficult to read.

I don't wear my glasses in vr though for fear of scratching the lense. So here's hoping prescription lenses fix it!

[languid beacon]

If your index is blurry than a vive something is very wrong.

[ruby needle]

Vive doesn't even closely compare to Index

[pearl loom]

does vrchat randomly ban people?

two of my russian friends randomly got banned for no reason

[languid beacon]

Is this a rhetorical question

[ruby needle]

how do you know it's "no reason"?

[pearl loom]

been with them the entire time they were online pretty much

[languid beacon]

Of course someone who is banned would say they were banned for no reason. That's what banned people ALWAYS say.

[pearl loom]

the past few weeks

[ruby needle]

You still dont know what they might have been running.

[pearl loom]

they are too boomer to try any clients or stuff like that

[ruby needle]

Not every client uses does it obvious.

[pearl loom]

no chance

[vocal shard]

their server's having some problems I believe, might be a false ban just wait for a few mins & try logging back in?

[languid beacon]

There was a bug a bit ago that generated a you've been banned message by accident, though no one was actually banned, they just got the pop-up.

[vocal shard]

🗞️ no images allowed

[pearl loom]

maybe they banned russia?

I need to get into contact with russians of vrchat

we have a child in chat

[ruby needle]

Now you're really far down the fantasy imagination rabbit hole

[vocal shard]

See #user-support-old

[frosty dirge]

Hey guys, can someone show me how to get a Model from a other game and pload that to vrchat? (not like for a public, this is for a private skin)

upload*

oh

[umbral reef]

Thats not allowed legally so might not wanna ask the server in here

[frosty dirge]

No no no

[languid beacon]

You can drop from Trusted back to Known and back to User, but I don't think you can ever fall back below User again, unless it's to Nuisance? If so that's new to me.

[frosty dirge]

not like a steal stuff, i want a model from my favourite game, and i didnt find a lobby with that avatar, so i need to make my own thats what im asking @umbral reef

[frosty veldt]

13. No discussion of piracy, game ripping, or links to pirated/ripped content. Gotta look somewhere else dude

[ruby needle]

I dont see why there would be a limit to when it can occure. Loosing score could happen at any stage an thus rank.

[vocal shard]

unfriending a lot of friend 'could' rank u down

[umbral reef]

Yea, thats like illegal, its called ripping an avatar, unless its something like a minecraft skin its not content you specifically made but the game made :x

[frosty dirge]

damn

[languid beacon]

Oh yeah it still decreases but I thought it stuck visually as user until you drop to Nuisance.

[frosty dirge]

but, im not ripping a avatar, cus this is not in any lobby, and what im trying to ask is, is there a way to upload / make my OWN skin, cus i've seen videos to make your own skin, and this is a unique skin, and cant be found anymore... but okay makes sense

[cold talon]

You can commission someone to make a model like the ingame model

[frosty dirge]

but that would cost money

[vocal shard]

what? don't expect everything to be free :/

[frosty dirge]

and i dont wanna spend money just to make a skin / avatar

[umbral reef]

Can take the time to learn yourself, but no one here will guide or explain how to get it from that specific game itself.

[frosty dirge]

Well okay, thanks anyway

[languid beacon]

is there a way to upload / make my OWN skin, cus i've seen videos to make your own skin, and this is a unique skin, and cant be found anymore... but okay makes sense
Yes, there are a lot of tutorials for this

[vocal shard]

indeed^

[languid beacon]

It's sort of the big draw of the game, many people just make their own stuff.

[frosty dirge]

oh..

[languid beacon]

every public avatar you find in the game was made by another player. or uploaded by them anyway. there's no official content from VRChat itself. everything is player made.

except the default home and stuff lol

[vocal shard]

What about the default avatar?

[languid beacon]

they're uploaded by players

[umbral reef]

Also all community made i think by now
Fairly sure even most legacy avatars where not team made
Only the error/unable to see it avatar thingy is VRC made

[frosty dirge]

also, is there a Little Nightmares 2 Avatar world? Because i couldnt find it anyway (yeah my fav character Mono, that i wanted to upload / make) and i saw ONE man in a lobby with a Custom skin i guess

[languid beacon]

Every so often VRChat lets you submit content to be default avatars. They're player submissions.

[frosty dirge]

and there was none

[languid beacon]

you can inspect the creator when you wear them

[rough pagoda]

i uh

i don't get this place.

[frosty dirge]

well im late now

[languid beacon]

Sorry that message was to someone else

[frosty dirge]

oh

[rough pagoda]

not like this server is any help.

[languid beacon]

Not all avatars have a world to find them in. Some are personal uploads for themselves only. Others are public and just spread via cloning and aren't found in any world.

If you see someone wearing an avatar you like, but you cannot clone it, you can check who made it, and see if they have any worlds, and one of them might have a pedestal in it -but there is no guarantee.

It's easiest to just ask the person wearing it.

[vocal shard]

I tried last night to find someone with some of the avatars I use to use.

[pearl loom]

okay that's strange

[vocal shard]

No luck. My concern is that it only existed in my inventory and the person who gave it to me originally and he never is on.

[pearl loom]

is russia fked now or something on vrchat

🤔

[vocal shard]

Lol so many Russians at blackcat and midnight 8-11 am pst

[marsh valley]

Hi

[vocal shard]

8pm till 11pm pst is when drinking nights are packed

The best crowd for me is either early afternoon/evening midnight publics. I run into mostly people central time.

How long can vrchat names be now?

[sharp saddle]

Good question.

[vocal shard]

I legit tried a 10 letter name and it says the name is too short

[sharp saddle]

too short
Say what now?

[vocal shard]

Yah

Wtf? Is name changing broken?

[sharp saddle]

It shouldn't?

[vocal shard]

I legit typed this name: 𝑶𝒄𝒕𝒂𝒗𝒊𝒂𝑶𝒇𝑻𝒉𝒆𝑵𝒐𝒓𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒏𝑳𝒂𝒏𝒅𝒔

And it says too short

[sharp saddle]

That might be why.

[vocal shard]

It happens no matter how many letters are in it

[sharp saddle]

You have to use actual letters, not stylized letters.

[vocal shard]

I just put a code symbol in mine

[broken plover]

4 letters looks like the minimum amount. I type ash and it said its too short. Then I typed nico and it only said name was taken

[sharp saddle]

I got a 5-letter name.

[vocal shard]

You can make it look like a normal letter but impossible to search unless they have that unicode

How come stylized letters aren't allowed anymore?

XD you can still use them

Doesn't work for me says "Name is too short"

[sharp saddle]

What font is that?

[vocal shard]

𝙊𝙘𝙩𝙖𝙫𝙞𝙖 using this font from igfonts.io

[sharp saddle]

Why not try OctaviaOfTheNorthernLands normally?

[vocal shard]

I like looking fancy

[sharp saddle]

It's not gonna look fancy though.

[vocal shard]

It used to before the updates

[sharp saddle]

You answered your own question then.

[vocal shard]

Just put a single unicode in it this way people can't search your name with bad things

@vocal shard Any ideas mate?

[sharp saddle]

... Wait, why would you intentionally make your name unsearchable?

[vocal shard]

Vrcx exists

Yep

Plan b exists

I'm an avi creator and I'd rather not have my avi's stolen

[sharp saddle]

Don't... bring up mods.

[vocal shard]

Lol 😆

[sharp saddle]

Don't use them in public.

[vocal shard]

They're made privately for myself

[ruby needle]

*avatar *avatars

[vocal shard]

I'm talking about people protecting their private avatars

[ruby needle]

There is no way to 100% protect anything.

[odd blaze]

'Dont use them' there fixed it, doesnt matter if its private

[vocal shard]

True.

@odd blaze Ya got a point mate

But there are ways to mitigate it.

[crimson apex]

Yeah I only use my personal avatars I care about around friends and that's pretty much it

[frosty veldt]

The only way to stop people ripping an avatar is do what websites do, only show pictures of it, not the 3d model lmao

[vocal shard]

Lmao

If your a pain in the ass to search, most yoinkers will just go rip someone else

[odd blaze]

video stream only, no actual download, there 100% secure

[ruby needle]

As much as one likes to belive, there is no way to fully prevent ripping because the only way to prevent it would be rendering the game on a controlled remote system.
Every other way means the avatar it self always comes with all the info needed to represent it in a normal state as a 3D Object

Cus else the game simply wouldn't be able to display it.

[frosty veldt]

Exactly, just have an elaborate shader/particle system that will emulate the avatar or something

[ruby needle]

Thus there NEVER is a an actual 100% protection, neither for VRChat, nor for AAA Games.

[crimson apex]

No game is technically unrippable

[odd blaze]

🤔 But yeeh that tech still not really there yet, bit to slow/latency

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard Can you dm me quickly?

What about keeping the ID's private behind the API and instead have the API's authenticate the client it is talking to and address the request with a publicID

[ruby needle]

What do you mean? Every other client needs to be able to get your model.

To display it.

How else would that work?

[vocal shard]

This would mean in people's logs why would only have the publicID and the VCRA loaded in the ram.

[frosty veldt]

If they have the VRCA then isnt that job done?

And everyone downloads the VRCA IIRC

[vocal shard]

Not really theres two more steps but I'm not going to explain how to do it and don't pm me either they are turned off for a reason

[ruby needle]

What do you mean with private or public id? there is one Avatar ID for each avatar, and both the user and each other client needs to be able to download the data to display it.

The Blueprint ID, if you mean that by private, doensn't really matter to anyone but the uploader.

[vocal shard]

Fate I need the unicode for my name to work unless there's a website

Those ID's should not be able to be requested, there needs to be an authentication process during the request and a second ID given

[ruby needle]

what would the second id do?

[modern hill]

let u use the avatar if it's public if not then nothing

[vocal shard]

Just Google unicode there are thousands of them

[ruby needle]

There is exactly one package of the avatar available, the one that's needed for people to be able to display it.
And both the actual owner and every other user need to be able to access that.

[vocal shard]

Kk ty

[vocal shard]

Not be the original ID of that avatar and also be a public ID addressed to that one person who passed authentication

[umbral reef]

Carefull though as most wont display properly ingame at all

[vocal shard]

How so?

Because as it stands the API will serve anyone anything lol its no secret. I discovered this after my first avatar

[umbral reef]

Because it just doesnt display most non standard unicode characters?

Letters and stuff work fine, but the second you throw a 🏠 in there it will brick

[ruby needle]

The server needs to serve every client the files tho, cus again they otherwise would not be able to see you.

[vocal shard]

I don't want emoji's just a fancy name

[umbral reef]

Yea those also often get the same bricked result

[vocal shard]

Bruh

[sharp saddle]

It's not gonna look "fancy" if the font doesn't support those characters.

[vocal shard]

That didn't make sense to me

[sharp saddle]

🤦

[noble depot]

basically, 99% of unicode symbols are gonna look like squares

[sharp saddle]

^^^

[vocal shard]

Oh

[noble depot]

basically, just □□□□□

[vocal shard]

Then why tf remove it anyway?

[umbral reef]

It will look like □ □ □'s

[sharp saddle]

Well, in the new nameplate font, they're °s.

[noble depot]

oo, didn't know that

[frosty veldt]

Probably enforcing this for better database management?

[umbral reef]

It does? Wonder what the typefont is then if it defaults to that

More safe for the database, less whacky things to support that can break and in the end it adds nothing beside harder to read nameplates

[noble depot]

Another reason for removing support could be imposters, people using zero-width spaces or something in their usernames

[sharp saddle]

I should know; I've seen many people with names like "°Suchandsuch°" (except the circles are in the middle).

[ruby needle]

Also harder for people to circumvent already given names, thus impersonate or purposely be "unsearchable"

[vocal shard]

If that's true how come some peoples fonts show up?

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure you can still zero-width if you really want though

[sharp saddle]

On Discord or VRC?

[vocal shard]

VRC

[sharp saddle]

It's always been Bank Gothic. o_O

[frosty veldt]

Yes hello my name is Name; DROP TABLE users

[vocal shard]

I've seen so many people with strikes/underlines etc.

[umbral reef]

Also like currently ingame or in video's
Some are still supported, but good luck finding one that functions fine.
And in the future the odds of them dropping support for those is also relatively big

[sharp saddle]

That's not a font... that's underscore unicode.

[vocal shard]

I've also seen people using fonts from igfonts.io and lingojam

[pearl loom]

I wonder if they will say anything about the russia situation

what the heck happened

[maiden mirage]

yo yo

[sharp saddle]

You're completely missing the point though. Your entire name is in unicode.

[noble depot]

also i know this is me doin' annoying semantics but they're not really fonts they're just unicode characters

[vocal shard]

Yeah I've done that before

[noble depot]

Those characters happen to be supported apparently, wheras others aren't

[vocal shard]

I'll just use a diff font or just normal

[rotund bluff]

little bobby tables as we call him

[frosty veldt]

Someone gets it 😔

[vocal shard]

I found a working one

Id prefer my username, avatars and worlds were BOXBOX and only available to people I give the copypasta to on discord.

[sharp saddle]

^^^

[vocal shard]

Good thing I found a working one I'm happy now

[true gull]

anyone else experiencing connection issues?

[vocal shard]

I mean its not a free game anymore

[maiden mirage]

It’s still very free lol

[vocal shard]

;)

[sharp saddle]

It is free though. o_O

[maiden mirage]

Pretty sure you can play without 100 favorite slots

[sharp saddle]

^

[vocal shard]

Yeah but when someone rips your stuff infront of you and says it's a free game and leaves well I guess I made it too easy.

Can't wait till they unpack that in unity

[maiden mirage]

If they rip it it’s not going to be opened in unity

[vocal shard]

Will this name show up correctly? Ｏｃｔａｖｉａ

[umbral reef]

Well there literally is no way to prevent ripping though- At best force clone without having the sharing turned on, but then you can just upload something else to that ID to fuck with them hard

[sharp saddle]

If it shows up as dots, you have to live with that for 3 months.

[vocal shard]

That's why I asked before I make it final

[noble depot]

Using special characters in your name will probably just make it harder for people to find/friend you, I don't think it'd actually do much to deter rippers

Especially if they're just in the same instance as you

[true gull]

@noble depot u can easy copy name from website after blocking/muting person

[gilded bough]

I,Giorno Giovanni Hate Hackers In Vrchat.

[noble depot]

no idea how rippers work granted, but still

[sharp saddle]

I still recommend just using your regular name.

[vocal shard]

But that's boring

[maiden mirage]

put in the special name

😳

[noble depot]

ah, didn't realize that lol, ty

[sharp saddle]

You're kinda stuck with whatever the font supports.

[umbral reef]

So much work just for a shittier to read name though

[sharp saddle]

If it doesn't work, it's gonna be a small circle.

Hell, half the unicode didn't work with Bank Gothic before the update.

[vocal shard]

I don't know what font vrc supports

Rippers have no interest in your avatar

They want the prefabs and asset bundles

[sharp saddle]

That's why you should stick to normal characters.

[noble depot]

I mean personally just do whatever makes 'ya happy lol, I just wouldn't recommend using special characters as an avatar security thing

[vocal shard]

The goons using forceclone piss me off but they are not the real issue

[maiden mirage]

There’s not exactly a compatible font list

[noble depot]

Especially considering the whole three month thing

[vocal shard]

Fuck it I'll use the normal style

[maiden mirage]

Do the special one, and show me what it looks like C:

[sharp saddle]

Speaking of, what is the new nameplate font? Arial/Helvetica?

Calibri, maybe?

[maiden mirage]

It’s Xtdozian

[vocal shard]

My name has been changed

[sharp saddle]

Congrats.

[maiden mirage]

gg pog

[vocal shard]

All I did differently was O c t a v i a

[sharp saddle]

That works.

[vocal shard]

The funny thing is these guys might know how to rip assets from other games and port them into the SDK but if someone intentionally makes their avatar for these people, you can cause a big headache.

No fonts no nothing just spaces haha

It ain't like keyframing a fortnight dance lol

[modern hill]

13. No discussion of piracy, game ripping, or links to pirated/ripped content

[vocal shard]

I'm not saying how to do it.

[modern hill]

read the rule

[rotund bluff]

use a lower quality version in vrc

[vocal shard]

I swear my phone notifications are gonna drive me up the wall

Okay basically everything in this game is ripped from somewhere else lol

Maybe like 10% OC

[modern hill]

kit bashing is allowed though

[vocal shard]

If that

[rotund bluff]

I'm an OC

[polar prawn]

pulling statistics out of thin air with no evidence isnt likely to convince people

[vocal shard]

Most of it being worlds which the tools were probably ripped anyway

[unreal verge]

My friend bought and modified a model (from which he made an avatar for me)

[vocal shard]

I just think it's laughable to hold such a standard.

You pay $20 for dynamic bones?

[polar prawn]

yes definitely everyone pays for them

100%

.>

[vocal shard]

I love the sarcasm in the chat XD

[modern hill]

i mean u don't technically have to pay for them u an just use an empty script and it will be replaced with the real one when it is in the game

[polar prawn]

there is a reason well reputed avatar servers dont have the dynamic bones package avaiable, they arent actually free to use

and creators will not include them in packages if they have any sense

[unreal verge]

Yep, had to pay for that too

[vocal shard]

Neither are shaders but if you need them for ab avatar you ripped it is very unlikely your going to pay for the shaders

[polar prawn]

almost everything uses poiyomi

which is free

[rotund bluff]

Generally it's acceptable to redistribute the asset as part of a package. Read the ToS. The main issue is people that don't have any paid assets in their library doing it

[buoyant sky]

how do u add people?

in vr chat

[vocal shard]

On public avatars sure. Things you don't want to get ripped, the more difficult you make things, the more likely they will give up.

[polar prawn]

click on them in world with your quick menu open, and hit send friend request

[broken plover]

either you open your quick menu and click on them with the blue laser (or blue dot in desktop) and then press add friend, or you go to the social tab in the big menu and then on the top right you type their username, click on their profile and then press add friend

[vocal shard]

Am I allowed to post my vrc username somewhere or nah?

[umbral reef]

Click on them while in the menu to show there person and press add friend
Or go into the menu, friends tab and search for them.

[polar prawn]

its best to add people youve talked to, not random people

[vocal shard]

That’s half of the vrchat players XD

Also I wouldn't tell anyone you have a decent unity kit.

XD

Or do any professional work

[polar prawn]

any particular reason or are you just being "mysterious"

cause thats cringey

[vocal shard]

Because they might be curious what your working on outside of vrc.

[polar prawn]

and?

[vocal shard]

For instance I have autoCAD work files on the same computer

I wouldn't tell someone even know how to use it.

[polar prawn]

but you just did

[vocal shard]

I'm not doing a commission for you am I?

I'm just saying for creators.

[rotund bluff]

It's not something I'm afraid to share

[polar prawn]

it seems like you are insinuating people are going to try and get access to your pc directly and take files and assets, which seems like way too much work for people playing this game

[languid beacon]

If you want to use it in your own games, yes. You need the license. Though VRChat already paid for dynamic bones. Buying it just lets you preview it on your editor before upload. VRChat does not accept your scripts, they delete them and replace them with their own purchased copy, for legal and security reasons. If you submit blank scripts that are simply named dynamic bones they will get replaced with the legitimate copies with no need to have owned or pirated dynamic bone and doing this is 100% legal

[umbral reef]

Most people here cant even get water out of the boot if the instructions where on the bottom

[vocal shard]

How often do things look broken on the other side though?

What im saying is most people just download everything off github

[languid beacon]

Well technically it’s piracy there is no actual illegal things being put in the game since VRchat paid for the dynamic bone license.

[light talon]

hi guys

[sharp saddle]

Hiya.

[rotund bluff]

LOL they would be better off just downloading the assets illegally. Having a paid license library is mostly just the USE of. Most of the stuff I have can be gotten through pirary but they can't legally use them

[polar prawn]

mhm

[vocal shard]

Or you just do it for educational purposes. It isn't until you want to actually make money you need to worry about these things

I'm not going to hold a creator to the same standard as a business.

[polar prawn]

careful you might sound pretentious talking like that

[rotund bluff]

I want to make money that's why I pay.

everyone that doesn't will someday find out that all their creations are useless without the commercial rights

[vocal shard]

One day, hopefully

Well say I purchase a $200 custom made avatar for an event and it gets taken down with all the other creators avatars

Thats a problem.

[polar prawn]

"taken down", elaborate

if youve uploaded it then it wont be gone if they get banned or whatever

[vocal shard]

Thats only a problem if you dont obtain a model file for your purchase really.

I have lost a bunch due to copyright takedowns

Mostly music of all things.

[polar prawn]

then dont get things that are copyrighted XD

[rotund bluff]

Which is why you pay for them through proper channels

[vocal shard]

Not my own avatars but friends avatars

[rotund bluff]

I have enough commercial use music for a 24h stream

[vocal shard]

I know better, but realistically by the time you get sick of the tracks its gone anyway lol

[languid beacon]

The point here is that VRchat has purchased dynamic bones. The scripts can be used by your content in game on avatars even if you don’t own a license for the script yourself. If you want to preview it on your own editor before upload, you can buy your own copy though that would be for your own convenience and I doubt the creator would have any issue with someone using a pirated script in their editor if they never make anything with it.”, but I can’t speak for them.

[polar prawn]

statement still stands, dont break the rules/laws and there wont be repercussions

[vocal shard]

What if I want the unity package for the avatar I purchase

[polar prawn]

then get it

from the creator

[vocal shard]

Bit then I'm paying the creator who used tools they didn't pay for XD

[polar prawn]

yes, so best hope they paid

[rotund bluff]

If you buy the asset properly. You can use it almost as if you made it yourself

[languid beacon]

The creator can simply delete the code from the script before sending it to you. It will still upload correctly

[rotund bluff]

Avatar makers that have paid for dynamic bones can sell it to you as part of a larger work. That's what commercial use means

[languid beacon]

It just won’t preview

[vocal shard]

I get how it works, im just being difficult.

[languid beacon]

You indeed are.

[polar prawn]

yes

[vocal shard]

I mean I pay 10$ a month now it's not a free game

[crimson apex]

It is a free game still

If you choose to pay for it, its still free if its not forced

[ruby needle]

That's like saying going to church isn't free cus you donate each time to the collecting?

That's not how that works.

[polar prawn]

alright, thats something around the third time ive heard that from you "fate", and not just in this server

its old

[vocal shard]

but I need 100 avatar slots

Whyyy

[polar prawn]

no one needs 100, its excessive

[crimson apex]

100 is excessive I'm finding it hard to put anything in mine lol

[broken plover]

I didn't even fill up my 16 slots fully. Only like 12 slots. And then there's people that need 100 slots!?

[ruby needle]

(i dont know how) but that's still not a nessesity and doesnt make the game less free that there are extra things you can buy.

[crimson apex]

I use my extra ones for joke avatars and then get rid of them

[rotund bluff]

I thought the jump from 1 to 4 was great. 4 to 16 excessive. and 100 just absurd.

[polar prawn]

25 seems pretty good, i doubt you will have 25 avatars you absolutely never want to unfavorite

[ruby needle]

The game, and all of the features are free, and will stay free.

[vocal shard]

So is VRC a business?

[broken plover]

remember the time when you had to go get the avatar everytime you booted up the game?

[ruby needle]

VRChat is a company, yes.

[vocal shard]

Like I'm confused because my arguement is coming from a customers perspective not a free user.

[crimson apex]

People be taking things for granted and then still complaining

[polar prawn]

you are not a customer

[vocal shard]

What is going to change in terms of security and asset protections.

[sharp saddle]

You're not a customer though. o_O

[vocal shard]

I am a donator to a business?

What am I

[polar prawn]

thats different, its a donation

[rotund bluff]

You would have to file a DMCA through proper legal channels

[polar prawn]

not a purchase

[crimson apex]

Donator doesn't equal customer

[languid beacon]

They also sell your data.

[vocal shard]

So VRC is a charity?

[polar prawn]

no, but you are an ass

[noble depot]

obvious troll is obvious

[languid beacon]

That is not the definition of a charity.

[polar prawn]

yep

[ruby needle]

Technically they are

[crimson apex]

If vrc is a charity they've given me a lot

[vocal shard]

I'd like a non-political answer.

[polar prawn]

why not write them an email if you are so concerned?

[ruby needle]

The game is free.
You are a customer for the 100% optional SUPPORT FEATURE

There you go.

[crimson apex]

How you gonna make your account in 2018 and not have a pfp

[sharp saddle]

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct. (Been waiting to use this)

[polar prawn]

probably an alt

[vocal shard]

Okay so I'm a customer of a feature within a game.

[polar prawn]

just an old alt

[vocal shard]

Which is a free/open publishing platform

[noble depot]

you kinda answered your own question
an optional transaction for a free platform, which does not make the platform itself paid

[vocal shard]

Let's put it this way... Are you a youtube customer?

[languid beacon]

Why is a donation button so hard for people to understand, it’s almost as if they are simply pretending to not understand

[polar prawn]

they are

[ruby needle]

It is not quite a donation button tho

[vocal shard]

Omg i grill youtubes TOS on the daily

[ruby needle]

But it's also not what they make it to be 😄

[bronze creek]

uh

I just logged into my vrchat acc after a couple months and all of my friends are gone? Anyone know why..?

[polar prawn]

its a support feature, an optional support feature, correct?

[ruby needle]

Yes

[polar prawn]

optional

do people understand the definition of optional?

cause it doesnt seem like it

[vocal shard]

not when it costs money

As a customer, I like to know what "more features soon" means

[umbral reef]

There where some server problems not too long ago, best to send in an email, explain the problem and big odds they can solve it for ya.

[polar prawn]

it means what it says, can you read?

[crimson apex]

Means more features, how clearer can it be

[umbral reef]

Means that more stuff if coming the future and you gotta take there word for that as a sole consumer

[vocal shard]

Is security against client users and API abuse part of the road map?

[languid beacon]

By definitions you are not a customer if you have not paid for anything. Until that point you are simply a potential customer.

Using VRChat makes you a User

[vocal shard]

More things added that weren't on the game before, but still balanced so free users get the core of these new features as well

[crimson apex]

I can't wait for what seems to be the message feature being teased

[polar prawn]

at what point does trolling get you kicked, left to go complain about unfairness in other servers? this is completely hypothetical and independent of this conversation

[vocal shard]

I'm just extra salty after having to hide my icon

[ruby needle]

Always is...
and no, there still wont ever be a 100% ripping protection because that doesnt work.

[vocal shard]

So I'm taking it out here thanks

[umbral reef]

Isnt really a msg system though, they want you to be able to send photo's with invites, no full fleshed writing system

[crimson apex]

Still better then nothing, I think its neat anyways and useful

[languid beacon]

When you get told to stop and don’t stop

[vocal shard]

I get the ripping part but stopping people from injecting code into the game would be nice.

[umbral reef]

Like keep in mind, all + stuff are gonna be funny gimicky things that not everyone wants or 'needs'.

[polar prawn]

well can someone ask people to stop please, this is old

[crimson apex]

I'm interested in the new Ui

[ruby needle]

Which is easier said then done... even with high budged competetive games there is and always has been cheats.

[umbral reef]

New UI gonna be pog, gonna allow the team to do so much more in the future from what i get

[vocal shard]

Thanks for actually answering the question XD

[crimson apex]

Stopping cheaters and hackers is almost always impossible

[ruby needle]

It's always a back and forth fight, and the more you add the more the normal people usually pay by performance impacts

And all you buy is time till the next way comes up

[languid beacon]

Don’t upload something if you cannot stomach the idea that other people are going to download it.

[crimson apex]

Most of the time people not doing anything wrong get caught in the crossfire

[frosty veldt]

Rather have the devs work on actual stuff than an arms race with some idiots

[vocal shard]

True, the exploit has been around for awhile though and it's quite known. I actually think that breaking that would lead to people finding other ways so idk whats worse.

[languid beacon]

It can’t be rendered unless it’s downloaded. And if it’s downloaded, it can be saved. This is just how games work.

[umbral reef]

VRchat is now a Stadia exclusive

[crimson apex]

Stadia vr

[noble depot]

Oh god imagine the latency on streamed VR

[crimson apex]

Its just google cardboard

[proper stratus]

🤮

[languid beacon]

Just take a look at VRchat and ask yourself if you recognize any models that are ripped from any other games and ponder that you expect VRchat to be the one game that makes it impossible to rip models from. No, that’s not going to happen.

[crimson apex]

I stream vr and its fine for the most part

[tacit plank]

If you are able to see others avatars, you're also able to steal them

[vocal shard]

It would be a huge setback for client users breaking that exploit. I think with all the people paying for the game and want them gone would be happy to see them all go.

Then we don't have to worry about whose more willing to destroy the instance.

[sharp saddle]

Oh no, the OBJ returns.

[tacit plank]

There is no solution, other than a permanent ban to anyone who rips models

And perhaps legal action

[languid beacon]

Don’t post a jpg if you don’t want someone else to download it. Internet 101

[frosty veldt]

VRChat acts on DMCA if someone takes your model that you have legitimate copyright of it, but most people dont

[vocal shard]

I'm talking about modded clients not ripping.

[tall forge]

@mods For some reason my mic wont work with oculus link today... was working fine last night and now not.. no settings have changed?

[languid beacon]

Nothing will stop them either

[crimson apex]

Did vrc change community labs portals? I'm testing out my world and there's now green circles around them

[proper stratus]

Don't post an image at all if you don't want people to screenshot it.

[frosty veldt]

Was a bit ago IIRC, just to make it more visible that its labs

[crimson apex]

Hm weird guess I just never have seen em before

Looks nice tho

[tall forge]

Anyone else having mic issues using link today in vrchat? I cant get it to work at all and checked both ingame, oculus, and pc settings all set to right inputs etc.. was working fine yesterday!?!?!?!

[vocal shard]

I won't mention the name of the program but it shouldn't be impossible with all the VRC+ money to block it. Basically 99% of mods require it.

[tacit plank]

Try changing default mic in windows and restarting, then verify the settings in-game, and ultimately talk into mirror to see if your mouth is moving

L&DM I'm not sure

[tall forge]

ok I'll try restarting pc see if that makes a difference but all inputs are set right

[languid beacon]

VRChat could have some smarter clients that reject network messages that don’t make sense, anything more than that is not really a good use of time.

[tacit plank]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_afa1bc3b-ee28-4536-8f1d-8bce9e7e8ae6

Illegal, free redestribution of booth models. World has been up for over a year, I already reported it. How would I defend VRChat on this?

[languid beacon]

If you are the copyright holder, file DMCA. Otherwise, you do not have proof that they did not get permission.

[tacit plank]

Even if they did, the avatar ToS says not to redestribute

[vocal shard]

I'm thinking it would be a good use of the VRC+ money to shut down client use. Many of the problems originate there.

[tacit plank]

Even if you buy an avatar, you're not allowed to give it out for free en-masse (or to sell it)

The first two

[languid beacon]

That license does. They may have been granted a different license that is not publicly purchasable.

You cannot know.

[maiden mirage]

caffeine did you fail your test

[rotund bluff]

You can't know the details of every license

[languid beacon]

Even so, just because they are selling the model with that license publicly on the Internet does not mean they can’t give a different license to someone else privately.

So, unless you are the content creator, you cannot file a take down.

If you have a concern on behalf of someone else, simply notify them they can take action if they see fit.

[vocal shard]

I see a second good use is to work on a new creators tool instead of constantly upgrading the SDK. Something that allows real-time edits in-game.

[tacit plank]

You can't know the details of every license
It's on the booth page, and a Japanese friend of mine read it for me and confirmed.

https://sisters.booth.pm/items/1674886
https://booth.pm/en/items/1791571

[vocal shard]

This will cut down the amount of ripped things in the game and also squash 3rd party clients

[tacit plank]

I'm on the last week of a 3-month exam, it's not over yet

[vocal shard]

Forget all those 3rd party sites, tools etc. What if all the creation tools were inside VRC itself.

[tacit plank]

Guess I'll contact the creator

[frosty veldt]

Thats what Neos does and its extremely annoying

[languid beacon]

Yeah not being able to use external shaders was a deal breaker for me on neos

[vocal shard]

But imagine how much more original content would get made.

[tacit plank]

Generally, though, you don't want other people to give away the things for free that you're selling for 20/30$ each, they're not the public trail versions either

[frosty veldt]

Not sure what you mean, the 3D models would still need to come from outside the game so it wouldn't change much imo

[languid beacon]

Most avatars I see that you purchase say you are allowed to list them on public pedestals, provided their credit cube stays inside of it

[vocal shard]

You can model in VR currently just not in VRC

[tacit plank]

You can't legally sell other peoples assets dude

[languid beacon]

You can. You can do anything a license permits.

[tacit plank]

If you have 100K assets I really doubt that even 10K of them have such weak regulations

[languid beacon]

You are making assumptions.

[vocal shard]

Basically if you make decent money and someone else is entitled to it then you have a problem

Its awkward I go from one server to another and the same exact conversation topics are going on in both, like some sort of dejavu record

Otherwise nobody cares what you do.

[tacit plank]

The alternative is the creator essentially telling you "Buy this thing and give it to all your friends if you want, or change the avatar and sell it for 80% of my price!"

How would that make sense, or the the standard and not a rarity?

[maiden mirage]

caffeine you gonna play today?

[languid beacon]

If they want to let you do that they are free to. What is your issue with that?

[tacit plank]

It's bound to be a minority of cases

[languid beacon]

I am not understanding what your point is

[vocal shard]

I would be totally fine if VRC partnered with unity for a ingame editor like unity VR and spent all the VRC+ money on that.

Or if they fixed security

[tacit plank]

No sane booth creator making a model will allow unlimited redestribution and re-sale. The only exceptions are those who seek fame rather than money

[languid beacon]

You cannot know what private deal has been made with someone’s content. That is why only an IP owner can file a claim.

[vocal shard]

As it stands currently this discussion is always a dumpster fire.

[tacit plank]

You don't have 100K assets with creators who don't give too shits what you do with them or whenver or not they're credited, it's just not realistic

[honest forge]

not all architects do lol