vrchat-general-2

[umbral reef]

Bruh- What the fuck is overusing dynamic bones then? A space wizards fault and not the users?

[rugged thorn]

Also udon is laggy as hell as well. Just goes to show that the devs can hardly optimized everything

[static flax]

Cool so you can just go to pug and black cat and it can't happen right?

Still waiting on some kind of evidence btw

[worthy oracle]

I have a friend that could very easily show you if you wanted. Could just add me and see for yourself

[sleek sparrow]

lol you got other problems if vr chat is somehow using 7 GB of ram. i go into crowded servers with 40 people even, and it never uses more than 4 GB

[vocal shard]

VRAM, not ram

[hollow blaze]

@static flax simple,just go world hopping for one day,30 minutes each world with everyone turned on,tell me how well it goes for you smartass.

[final thunder]

nobody needs to show you. we have seen it with our own eyes cause we dont hide in private worlds

[rocky blaze]

so the stuck at 100% BS is still happening

[sleek sparrow]

it goes fine, thanks for asking

[vocal shard]

time and time again it fails to wash out the video memory so the more i play, the slower and slower and slower and slower it gets.

[static flax]

I did yesterday but I can do it again if you like

[rugged thorn]

Most people are too drunk all the time to even realise they have low framerate.

[sleek sparrow]

and i do this for 8+ hours in vr

[faint horizon]

Hiding everyone to solve the crash issue isn't a good point, you're just admitting the game have issues...

[sleek sparrow]

sorry that some of us have computers that dont suck

[final thunder]

seriously

[worthy oracle]

You would be lying if you’re saying you’ve never seen a lobby at least desynced before. Unless you just sit in private all day

[hollow blaze]

2 people vs the rest of the people in this chat covering up problems that don't exist for them but do for others.

[vocal shard]

your only argument is unironically "doesnt happen on my machine haha"

[final thunder]

"just hide every avatar bro!"

[heady salmon]

drunk vr sounds horrible

[sleek sparrow]

and yours is unironically it happens to me so it happens to everyone

[static flax]

Ah yes, my publics are private, you got me

[vocal shard]

No, its it happens to me, along with hundreds of other people.

[rugged thorn]

@heady salmon Believe it or not half of the vrchat community is centered around drinking in vr.

[worthy oracle]

this conversation is pointless

it’s full of ignorance

[static flax]

I'm not arguing that point at all, just that crashing can't happen if you take proper precautions, not by a player anyway

[sleek sparrow]

and for every person that it does happen to, there are hundreds more that it doesnt. so how can we say its the game's fault beyond a shadow of a doubt?

[proper tendon]

It's a public discord server. All conversations are pointless.

[hollow blaze]

well good for those it doesn't happen to but what about the hundreds of others then hmm @static flax and @sleek sparrow,if it were a small problem people wouldn't talk about it.

[faint horizon]

We could have this conversation in their comment section on their youtube video, oh wait.

[vocal shard]

Okay so fuck the people who have this problem, if you can play the game, great, if not, too bad haha its not a 100% failure rate? youve got to be baiting

[rugged thorn]

It's pointless because most people in here are too stuck in their own little inner circles constantly in front of mirrors (probably) to even realise the game has problems.

[heady salmon]

You're darn right it is. Cause of you. Ninorance.

[worthy oracle]

Facts

[final thunder]

its not the games fault. its the user base that thinks its funny to make crashers. full entire groups of people

[hollow blaze]

I should just grab a snack and watch Squizma and High Octane pointlessly argue with other people because they have room temperature IQ,cya.

[sleek sparrow]

im not. again, i dont see any evidence provided proving its the game. its all ancedotal on both sides

[rugged thorn]

What do you expect from the majority of people that like touhou@vocal shard

[static flax]

Not saying it's not a problem. Literally didn't say once it's not a problem. I said it doesn't happen to me because I hide avatar properties to stop it from happening nearly as much

[rugged thorn]

Half of that pit is 4chan and the other half is Tumblr

[vocal shard]

has an entire chat full of people complaining their game crashes
"idk man theres no evidence. doesnt happen on my machine haha"

[worthy oracle]

So how’s everyone’s day going?

[ionic fern]

I agree with him. That's a big problem in public worlds

[sleek sparrow]

i agree with that tetracor. thats the only thing i see being the issue. which further throws doubt on the game itself being the problem

[sacred hill]

Hey i have a question i have a problem with the Video Players in VRC they are buffering for me all the time but my Internet is actually fast enogh anyone know this problem ?

[sleek sparrow]

did you update youtube-dl?

[final thunder]

everyone has their saftey cranked to max.

[vocal shard]

the fact that people are able to crash others is the game's fault.

[rugged thorn]

Try rejoining after the link is put in, and if that doesn't fix it then it must be youtube dl @sacred hill

[vocal shard]

the fact that exploit exists is the dev's fault

[final thunder]

p2p servers are the fault for the ddos too

[worthy oracle]

I wouldn’t be that extreme. User generated content grants liberty for whatever. But the exploits will always exist

[static flax]

Just out of curiosity, removing all bias at all. What would you do to remove it?

[sleek sparrow]

itll take effort to explain kuro but i can DM you some steps. this place is too wild atm for this sort of troubleshooting @sacred hill

[whole flare]

there's also a lot of exploit that are straight up unity problems the team can't fix. they have to wait for unity to fix those issues. which takes a lot longer then to fix the game.

[rugged thorn]

As long as shaders and particles are allowed crashing will always happen

[hollow blaze]

I will correct you on that one @vocal shard devs can have anti cheats,do counter measures but modders and cheaters will ALWAYS find a way so it's not necessarily their fault

[vocal shard]

Particle limit, ram overload failsafe

[static flax]

Ram I agree with, particles can already be limited

[umbral reef]

Hey! The particle limiter is a thing! Aint that great

[rugged thorn]

There are shaders that can literally crash your video cards

[vocal shard]

okay how about the failsafe

[final thunder]

can we atleast get a game implemented ip hider?

[polar jasper]

I mean, don't act like you own the game when you're talking with others and don't do things outside of the ToS. Not really much else that is needed. Been to public several times and not really had anything happened. A good few people breaking ToS, but nothing malicious.

[static flax]

You can by default hide shaders but not avatars, e z

[vocal shard]

in the event there is too many lines of code to process and unity is about to crash, there is nothing to halt and reload the code

[umbral reef]

funfact, literally everything that gets rendered on your video card can do that

[whole flare]

that's one of those unity issues i was talking about.

[rugged thorn]

Literally just turn off particles and shaders and you will be fine most of the time, unless its objects literally fucking crashing the instance or lagging, worlds with alot of pickups with collision can do that.

[faint horizon]

There's public avatars that can crash you even with max safety on.

[vocal shard]

^

[faint horizon]

Idk how they do it, but they exist

[rugged thorn]

It's not always avatars, objects are one of the biggest issues. Ever been in a world and see objects flying around while you lag?

[final thunder]

what about mesh crashers? or audio crashers? dont even say you can turn off audio. there is forced audio

[vocal shard]

there is avatars that use the code of the avatar geometry itself that are enough to crash you. particles are hardly even used anymore

[final thunder]

this

[worthy oracle]

It’s true

[static flax]

Disable animations, same way you disable particles. You don't need custom animations to be social anyhow

[rugged thorn]

You can hide all audio except for audio that is on by default on an avatar, even if you have nothing but voice and avatar shown, and even then the audio will be forced to be 3d and the default audio settings.

[final thunder]

its the mesh not an animation

this dude doesnt know his crashers apparently

[worthy oracle]

[rugged thorn]

Blendshapes can affect performance as well :)

[whole flare]

Those arn't issues vrc can really fix though.. that's straight up just breaking the limits of the engine itself they'd have to modify the engine itself to fix that. and that would only make migrating to newer versions of unity harder in the future.

[faint horizon]

Probably hasn't left their friend + session in a while

[vocal shard]

Also, dont tell me its an unavoidable unity thing. Do you guys have any idea how many anticrash mods there is? that actually do their job

[ionic fern]

The problem are the people with malicious client or messy bugs abuse.

[final thunder]

thats very clear

[languid beacon]

No safety and I never seem to run into these “crasher” people

[whole flare]

i disagree with that one. got plenty of mute friends who litterally can't communicate decently without their animations.

[final thunder]

hell if they cant crash you then they just ddos you

[rugged thorn]

That's because only modders can fix the game apparently. Too bad vrchat will only lazily steal their work and then ban them.

[worthy oracle]

No it’s true. The same people that know enough to make these exploits know how to fix it.

[vocal shard]

thats your experience.

[static flax]

Not saying keep em blocked, you can unblock em per person

[ionic fern]

But the context you use.

[vocal shard]

This crashing crap is largely preventable. I've seen clients and mods do it time and time again

[static flax]

Myself and anyone I know have yet to see see them working on any way besides that.
Oh but yaknow, I guess I don't leave friends + so what do I know, my b

[worthy oracle]

y’all remember last year in June when force kick was a thing? lol that’s far beyond the scope of avatars

[final thunder]

you are behind on your crasher knowledge. there are some things you cant turn off. and hiding their avatar entirely you would have to know they were going to do it before they even loaded in

[worthy oracle]

people had the ability to kick the entire lobby

[vocal shard]

Sometimes they just dont execute particle code, or if the collision data grows above a certain treshold, its halted and deleted from ram. instant fix

[static flax]

Not THAT was a real problem, I remember that

[ionic fern]

oof. Dont remind me that

[rugged thorn]

I wonder if they'll ever fix object sync lag

[hollow blaze]

this is going to be a risky thing to say but uh

the whole name tag thing that's being advertised for VRC+ is actually just stolen idea
there was a nameplate shader that already let you customize your nametag and was entirely harmless but nooo they decide to make it bannable and now take that idea and proudly show it off,just a little gripe I have with that one because it stings a bit to see.

[final thunder]

or make all the props in the world freak out and make everyone get 2fps. thats still a thing

[faint horizon]

Same with the avatar slots

[vocal shard]

^ ive seen that too. yeah

[static flax]

That's a fair point. I usually have safety settings on real high for both trusted and visitor so that def attributes to me not seeing it

[rugged thorn]

They made it look even worse and uninspired, too.

[worthy oracle]

That’s what I’m saying, objects can crash obviously

[proper tendon]

That's not risky. Everyone already knows about that. There were even people speculating that would be added as a paid feature after it was banned.

[hollow blaze]

I'm going to silence myself now cause I feel glaring eyes staring me down right now

[final thunder]

yeah me too but its the avatar itself. its in the mesh. not particles or anything like that. you cant turn off meshes unless you just hide all avatars

[rugged thorn]

There's really messed up meshes that can severely lag your game

[worthy oracle]

I’ve crashed a few times before with all avatars hidden, it’s really not just safety.

[static flax]

Yeah thats what I mean, I usually do a full hide on trusted and visitor. I would say do the same personally

But that's just me~

[final thunder]

are you kidding me? so when we were saying "dude just hide all avatars!" we were right. that is your solution

[worthy oracle]

[static flax]

Literally not all. I had all settings on trusted and visitor and leave everything else on except shaders and custom animations on every other rank then show when I start a conversation with anyone

[final thunder]

trusted and visitors arent the only ones that crash people

[static flax]

Not saying they arent, but its the primary groups

[worthy oracle]

bruh

[final thunder]

also again. the mesh crashers

[worthy oracle]

I don’t think crashing is the biggest vrchat issue. It’s not really easy to fix at all.

[static flax]

I'm not denying your point on mesh crasher. I honestly havnt seen em and if thats the case thats pretty messed up. But I literally havnt seen it happen before

[final thunder]

it drives alot of people off the game.

[worthy oracle]

except stuff like object abuse and whatnot yeah probably

[rugged thorn]

Most crashers will just close your game or freeze it. It's not that big of a deal unless its one that crashes your drivers, but even then, people rarely have those.

[final thunder]

the crahsers know about the safety. they are dicks. they get around them on purpose

[worthy oracle]

I hardly run into any crashers.

If I crash by a means it’s cause of some exploit nowadays

[uneven inlet]

you haven't been to the black cat then.

[rugged thorn]

You can literally crash people with world objects.

[worthy oracle]

I’m saying nowadays, before in the past yeah but avatar crashers I haven’t seen in a bit

[faint horizon]

All hacks are exploits

[hollow blaze]

you can also make particles interact with world objects with a simple trick that can cause lag or crash if used maliciously.

[rugged thorn]

There was a crasher recently that messed with your camera and would crash everyone, it's not always avatars. It's game exploits.

[final thunder]

just go to any void club on any given day. promise your router will get shut off

[worthy oracle]

?? idk about that

[rugged thorn]

Yeah like any void club pubbie would even know how to do that lmao, they're all kids.

[hollow blaze]

yikes I'm glad I avoid those worlds,usually eboys and college students with clients and stressers who think they're cool

[worthy oracle]

I’ve never been hit off?

[static flax]

Have fun in my shoes

[worthy oracle]

In 2 years and 3000 hours

[final thunder]

ive personally been ddosed in the void club. thats the only place

[uneven inlet]

Last night I was crashed after some one said "[REDACTED] sends his regards." Then VRC completely crashed and soft locked my PC.

[rugged thorn]

The worst these people can probably do is see your steam username

[hollow blaze]

not true,they can grab your ip and more.

[worthy oracle]

Dude if y’all don’t want your ip shown, you do realize that you can just launch vrchat without opening steam right??

[final thunder]

also had my account spammed with request by a dude with 1000 different accounts with 1 letter difference

[polar jasper]

So you were targeted by someone, from a previous interaction >>

[rugged thorn]

Yeah, if they are smart enough to make their own client, but most of those types of people aren't.

[worthy oracle]

It literally spoofs ip completely

[uneven inlet]

No, apparently it was the whole server. it got nuked, so that was around 15 people in the black cat.

[final thunder]

launching from the website spoofs your ip?

[ionic fern]

That happend in spanish servers haha. a looooot

[rugged thorn]

Literally what is some vrchat wolf boy going to do with your IP, like i said, it's all kids, if they could actually do shit they wouldn't be playing VRChat

[hollow blaze]

I actually remember one of my friends had a avatar that literally fuckin shut down the entire lobby full of people and crashed everyone

[worthy oracle]

launching the game without steam open spoofs. the game gets your ip through steam.

[ionic fern]

They crash the whole server.

[final thunder]

interesting. i will have to test that with a friend

[rugged thorn]

Maybe if vrchat didn't treat vpns the same way they treat clients we wouldn't have to fear over our ips all the time

But you know damn well they probably will never fix the ip shit

[hollow blaze]

with how things are looking I'm glad I'm not using emmVRC or any client and haven't I feel like there's going to be a banwave at some point and it's not worth using

thought then that'd be like 50% of VRC users then

[hollow ingot]

😭

[worthy oracle]

I’ve only had one person try to ddos me before. And he literally came up to me saying “yo I was gonna ddos you but I couldn’t find your ip. out of everyone in the lobby yours is the only one I couldn’t pull”. Deadass laughed it off

[final thunder]

but what about people that play through oculus? they dont use steam

[rugged thorn]

All they can do is cry that client makers make their game better than they ever can, while they push out shitty updates

[uneven inlet]

There'll be a ban wave. They did so before over just speculation and false tattle tales.

[ionic fern]

Its sad play the game and heard from people that "play safe, use virtual machine, vpns, etc.., they're dangerous people in the game.."

And i dont blame why a lot of people play in friend+ or private worlds

[worthy oracle]

yeah some of the player base give vrchat such a BAD rep

[final thunder]

what you are saying isnt making any sense

how would it not have your ip?

[rugged thorn]

@worthy oracle Did everyone clap, too?

[worthy oracle]

cause I’m smart? lol it’s easy to spoof

[final thunder]

so you are activly spoofing your ip and it has nothing to do with launching through steam?

[worthy oracle]

there’s also this other thing some people do but that requires editing game files so idk

[rugged thorn]

Just wait til your ip gets set to a banned one

[uneven inlet]

Oh yea. they can change your IP if they can tap it

[final thunder]

nins story is starting to fall apart in my mind

[worthy oracle]

My ip doesn’t even appear in game

[final thunder]

so you have an ip hider?

[worthy oracle]

yes and it’s not a vpn, my ip is just not accessible to client users

[faint horizon]

How do you know?

[final thunder]

so you are full of shit and it has nothing to do with steam?

[worthy oracle]

I’ve learned to spoof it like a year and a half ago

[uneven inlet]

How exactly are you even starting VRC Nin?

[worthy oracle]

Also no like if you launch the game, (have a shortcut) and have steam closed it does the same thing I believe

[final thunder]

im calling bull honky

[rugged thorn]

It's almost like people can't use other things to see ip's

[worthy oracle]

I mean idk I’m just saying I’m chilling

[rugged thorn]

Imagine thinking only clients can do it

[faint horizon]

You're launching the steam version of the game 🤡

[worthy oracle]

it’s not that but I haven’t had an issue with people pulling my ip so

[rugged thorn]

I'm sure they're able to but just don't flaunt it :/

[worthy oracle]

They have tried, lol.

[vocal shard]

Boop

[hollow blaze]

pooB

[worthy oracle]

@vocal shard hello there

[rugged thorn]

You don't know that :)

[final thunder]

yeah what kind of dumbass would activly go up to someone and say "hey i know im a ip pulling skript kiddie but i couldnt get yours"

[vocal shard]

Hi @worthy oracle

[faint horizon]

But regardless, steam or oculus version, any version, is still, in fact, p2p

[worthy oracle]

@vocal shard what’s up

[rugged thorn]

The game is unoptimized and unsecure and probably will be for the forseeable future.

[vocal shard]

@worthy oracle not much, you?

[worthy oracle]

@vocal shard I’m just chilling. Super bored though D: feel like nowadays not much is fun anymore it’s pretty lame

[uneven inlet]

You have that feeling also Nin?

[worthy oracle]

Yeah. Especially with quarantine

[final thunder]

yall needs some hobbies

[hollow blaze]

ngl why not just open up an emulator and play some old games,I always have fun starting up one of the old Mariokarts or replaying some games I never finished

[vocal shard]

Well, feel free to add me and we can chat

[worthy oracle]

I do have hobbies but you know it’s bad when you have no motivation for it

[uneven inlet]

I had SFM to work with, but asset porting has kinda dropped off the grid for the moment so idk what to do.

[whole flare]

it's hard to optimize a game if 99% of it's content is out of your hands.

[rugged thorn]

@whole flare please read the conversation, I just said that a lot of the unoptimization is not the fault of the users, and explained why :)

[pseudo zephyr]

Moderation wont respond to my emails about getting my account unbanned, is there really nothing else i can do? And no, it wasnt banned for a reason of my making, it was compromised but i changed the password already.

[whole flare]

oh my bad. i had to afk for a bit and this chat goes by way too fast lol.

[final thunder]

it is fully my fault that my avatars are unoptimized

[sullen radish]

imo, kinda hard to enjoy a game that wants you to pay for a custom pfp

[umbral reef]

Ah yes as the having your own avatar part isnt the most important thing, its that small pfp

[rugged thorn]

I am not talking about avatars, I'm talking about the exploits in the game and stuff that isn't avatar related, did you not read anything?

[whole flare]

it's a picture in a nametag that a large part of the community will disable anyway. is it really that big a deal to you people?..

[worthy oracle]

I mean VRC+ isn’t out yet

[final thunder]

i sure didnt

[rugged thorn]

Cool, don't respond to me then

[whole flare]

lol

[worthy oracle]

bruh

[final thunder]

yikes

[faint horizon]

It's a neat feature, but for 10$ a month?

[worthy oracle]

just chill we know this game can be garbage

[final thunder]

someone needs a nap

[whole flare]

it's got it's issues.. but yet it still stays at the top. gotta be a reason for that right.

[final thunder]

we are the reason. its all thanks to us. give yourselves a round of applause

[rugged thorn]

There was an office world with a ton of pickups that was a very good example of how world objects can lag you, but even that can happen in the Black Cat if the objects are messed with too bad

[worthy oracle]

I love VRC I’m just saying it definitely has issues. No point of beating ourselves up over it

[whole flare]

👏 👏 👏

[final thunder]

bravo! very good show

[worthy oracle]

have y’all tried the open beta?

[vocal shard]

hello guys

[final thunder]

nah whats different?

[worthy oracle]

yo

[worthy oracle]

I mean it’s just showcasing VRC+ features really. New name tags look super clean though

[final thunder]

yeah idk why everyone is freaking out about that stuff. i just want the client users and crashers gone so we can all breath

[flint plaza]

Lots of dislikes on that VRChat Plus video. I think it's probably the limited favorites of non-supporters? Otherwise i don't see an issue with it

[faint horizon]

It's expensive for no reason?

[worthy oracle]

Yeah but it takes time to address that. I think those will always exist but the other issues need fixing, just gotta wait

[shell bear]

nin got some heat animations on avatars

[worthy oracle]

[final thunder]

remember when this game first started and there wasnt any crashers?

[shell bear]

still got one of ya cute stickmen

[minor parrot]

That's never gonna happen dude lol

[worthy oracle]

lmaoo nice

[final thunder]

true but sad

[flint plaza]

-for no reason-
What about supporting, for the sake of supporting?
I think a badge, and the other things are fine

[shell bear]

You know back in the days, someone was showcasing how to rip avatars, then he used ya Wholesome LC avatar - good days

[worthy oracle]

It’s funny I made that as a meme

[shell bear]

[worthy oracle]

But for some reason it spread a lot and idk why tbh

[shell bear]

[worthy oracle]

[shell bear]

r u going to get that vrchat+ stuff

[worthy oracle]

lmfao, well I might buy a month just to support a little and get early supporter. but apart from that probably not

[final thunder]

what is a good recording software that i can use so i dont have to run obs constantly to maybe possibly find a crasher to report?

[shell bear]

early supporter badge gives more girls or something i had this in my copy & paste for your reply

[worthy oracle]

imagine

[shell bear]

haha

[worthy oracle]

I’m not sure tbh

[rugged thorn]

running any recording software is going to affect your performance...

[final thunder]

i think thats a problem with reporting. they make it too hard. they dont even pay attention to ingame reports

[worthy oracle]

Tetra I think your best bet is just steering clear from lobbies that have these people and chill

[rugged thorn]

Because their moderation team is too busy in front of the mirror in their inner circle instances all the time

[final thunder]

im not worried about performance. im only on desktop and have a ryzen 5 with a 1070

[vivid vale]

this new plus stuff is bull in my opinion

[rugged thorn]

shadowplay?

[final thunder]

is shadowplay free?

[worthy oracle]

Oh hi it’s been forever

[rugged thorn]

yeah its some nvidia thing

[worthy oracle]

prob don’t remember me though tbh

[final thunder]

oh ok ill check it out. thanks for the info. appreciate ya

[rugged thorn]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/geforce-experience/shadowplay/

[worthy oracle]

shadow play isn’t bad. could start recording and stop at any time

[vivid vale]

hi

[worthy oracle]

hello

[final thunder]

yeah what vrchat wants is video proofs with the whole interaction and then the outlog report. thats alot

[fossil garden]

hi, i have a question, when i buy the Virtual Desktop on steam, do I have to buy it also on Oculus to have it on my Quest 2? Or when I buy it from Steam I already can connect my Headset to the PC

[final thunder]

should only be one purchase

[worthy oracle]

@final thunder also if you get targeted by people trying to ddos just try opening vrchat.exe whilst having steam closed. makes it harder for them, that’s what I meant to say before lol

[final thunder]

ok. i was so confused earlier.

[fossil garden]

Ok thanks, that really is a relief cos I didn't want to pay 10 USD in Steam and then 20 USD on Oculus just to connect it to my PC

[final thunder]

nah i have friends that use it and they said they only purchased it on steam. you will be good

[fossil garden]

aaaaaaaaand, anyone that has tried both (Oculus Link and Virtual Desktop), is there any difference?

[obsidian salmon]

idk if this is the place to ask this, but where is the place to ask about avatar worlds? im new to this discord, sorry.

[rugged thorn]

What about steamvr users?

[worthy oracle]

well someone here said like an hour ago that oculus link is bad but idk, i think you should search it up maybe on YouTube @fossil garden

[vestal pier]

Virtual desktop is for making a desktop setup in vr, its not the same as link

[final thunder]

depends if you have good internet. most people dont notice anything but ive had some friends say that latency was an issue

[worthy oracle]

Wdym?

[rugged thorn]

if you constantly use the link you will fry your battery

If you're not oculus, you have to use steamvr

[worthy oracle]

[final thunder]

under the development tab there is a chat named world-optimization

[worthy oracle]

[rugged thorn]

As far as I'm aware steamvr can't be launched without steam being open

[worthy oracle]

#world-lighting #world-optimization #world-development #world-quest

[hoary drift]

[fossil garden]

I have Oculus Quest 2

I only have to buy it from Steam then?

[final thunder]

how is it? better than quest 1?

[worthy oracle]

Oh yeah idk. It worked for me before but I was desktop during that time

[rugged thorn]

sigh

[obsidian salmon]

to ask where some "decent avatars" are at? : o im not really looking to build one currently, just want to browse what others have made

[worthy oracle]

What’s up?

[languid beacon]

If you’re using a quest don’t buy virtual desktop on Steam you want to buy it on oculus quest

[fossil garden]

Haven't even turned it on yet, and it's my first VR Headset so I can't really compare

[rugged thorn]

@fossil garden I wasn't saying that about what you said, was talking to someone else.

[pseudo zephyr]

is there any mods that i can talk to?

like actual mods, not discord

[worthy oracle]

You could try dm but I doubt they will answer

[final thunder]

oh ok sorry. i'm not sure where that would be. i would just search avatar worlds for cool avatars. or the vket worlds. they are really neat

[languid beacon]

Not here.
Contact Email: [e-mail].
Moderation Email: [e-mail].
Support Email: [e-mail].

[rugged thorn]

And then get an automated reply and your problem never addressed.

[worthy oracle]

rip

[pseudo zephyr]

ive tried emailing them, they havent responded and i did it a week ago

[vestal pier]

Very optimistic

[final thunder]

welcome to the vrchat community

[worthy oracle]

do y’all know that blueasis makes cool worlds

[languid beacon]

Well you could try telling us your issue but we aren’t developers and we probably can’t do anything about it

[rugged thorn]

Unfortunately, if you aren't one of the inner circle people or extremely well known, or actually have the ability to talk to one of the higher ups, nothing will usually happen

[pseudo zephyr]

i was banned for 100 years for having a compromised account

[vestal pier]

🥰

[final thunder]

OOF!

[worthy oracle]

wait.. 100 years

[final thunder]

just wait to get unbanned lmao

[rugged thorn]

Yeah, that seems to happen alot.

[worthy oracle]

I thought max was 4 years. Did that change LOL?

[pseudo zephyr]

i changed the password already, but i was not informed of this until i tried logging in after a few months

[vestal pier]

I already served my 100 year ban

[rugged thorn]

lmao

[worthy oracle]

nicee

[vestal pier]

100 years is perma

[final thunder]

making me paranoid. im checking mine right now

[worthy oracle]

I thought 4 years was basically the perma. That’s crazy lol

[pseudo zephyr]

i just wanna play vrchat now that i finally have a headset

[final thunder]

did you try turning it off and back on?

[vestal pier]

how was the account compromised

[pseudo zephyr]

idk, thats the only detail they gave me

[worthy oracle]

you would need another account but idk.. ban evasion is against TOS. how was it compromised?

[final thunder]

just make a new account.

tell your friends that you made a new one

[pseudo zephyr]

like i said, they only said that it was compromised and to email, but that went nowhere

[worthy oracle]

have to make a new one then lol

idk moderation system in this game wonky af

[final thunder]

you can try tagging tupper over and over till he responds

[worthy oracle]

I heard if you’re lucky it’ll work

[final thunder]

@covert chasm please help this poor man.

i did my part 🙂

[vestal pier]

I don't think that's going to help

[sharp saddle]

^

[final thunder]

well its better than nothing

[pseudo zephyr]

thank you, it is

[final thunder]

with our powers combined, we can summon him

[worthy oracle]

not unless you got the whole chat tagging tupper

[final thunder]

well...

[faint horizon]

@covert chasm ware

[final thunder]

you heard him everyone. lend him your power

[pseudo zephyr]

oh boy, gonna actually get in trouble

[final thunder]

no we actually want to help. well i do atleast

[pseudo zephyr]

i could try dming

before it gets out of hand

[wide gyro]

Hello

[final thunder]

god speed you crazy bastard.

[elfin matrix]

a good reminder to turn on two-factor authentication

[worthy oracle]

have a complicated password for stuff, this goes beyond vrchat

[final thunder]

discord needs a blood sample sent to them for me to log into my account

[worthy oracle]

like TK9cHwP2H46$

[polar jasper]

1-2 weeks just to sign in on your account 👀

[final thunder]

hacking in now

[worthy oracle]

lmfao

[final thunder]

your bitcoins are mine

[worthy oracle]

NOOOO

xD what

how can you get flagged for spam if there’s slow mode on

[final thunder]

it told me i was spamming 😦 i feel bullied

[worthy oracle]

damn

bad rng, better luck next time

[final thunder]

and thats a reset. sigh rng

[potent fern]

Hello, Is everything chill in here, at least compared to last night XD

[final thunder]

no we are still SEETHING WITH RAGE!! VRC+ ruined my life!!!

[potent fern]

D:

Oh we dont have reactions back yet.

[sharp saddle]

[final thunder]

im going to write them a very heavy worded letter explaining to them how this made my wife leave me and murdered my children

[sharp saddle]

Hehehe. I'm glad that storm is over.

[worthy oracle]

Nothing is fun D:

Ig imma go waste time on vrchat so I can actually be doing something, it’s Friday and I’m not doing anything

[final thunder]

i think alot of it was people joining the discord just to see what everyone was saying and it became a flame war.

[final thunder]

play space station 13

[sharp saddle]

True, true. Then the Lemon Spam of 2020 happened.

[final thunder]

i missed the lemon thing. i wish i had context to it

[potent fern]

Lemongate, you had to be there XD

still im not sure why a lemon was used..

[final thunder]

desktop users rise up

no longer will the vr users pat our defenseless heads!

this bot is on a roll today

[ripe hornet]

Tbh the way the devs respond to all of the critique will majorly impact the discourse. If they actually respond and/or make changes then yeet

[lofty salmon]

anyone wanna help me make a vr chat video???

[vocal shard]

about what?

[final thunder]

is it about dancing? thats all i can do. sorry

[sleek sparrow]

if you want someone to do a physical handstand, im your guy

[austere hare]

https://tenor.com/view/carrot-time-haram-haram-haram-bull-gif-15403668

[hollow ingot]

😰

[final thunder]

dont cry. we just stopped washing our hair. now nobody will want to touch it

🤮

[hollow ingot]

(Just to confirm, you didn't get pinged for that one did you?)

[final thunder]

i did get pinged

[hollow ingot]

Guess the toggle ain't working.

[final thunder]

i'll toggle you one!

[ripe hornet]

Who here has plenty of critique for vrc+ but will probs still get it to support the devs lmfao 🖐️

[static flax]

No beef on you guys I had that discussion with btw guys, just a healthy debate right?
Love you guys ♥️

[ripe hornet]

I would still like to see all (except 100 faves) bonuses put into basegame with only a badge reward with the price at 5 usd, but the devs have created one of the most interactive and truly important tools and games to have

imagine telling someone in 2010 that you'd be able to highfive your friend from across the sea as if you are in the same room togheter, or hang with your loved one in a fun club

[pallid wraith]

If it was up to me, i'd treat VRChat more like a platform than a game ( e.g YouTube, Twitch ). You have a community of content creators, monetise that aspect of it

[static flax]

Honestly I still hold steadfast on it being a purely "only donate for game and enjoy the bonuses as such" but as someone who would buy every thing that costs money in games just to look cool.
Yeah, maybe a $5 would be nice too

[static flax]

I've heard thats their plan. I can't confirm that though

[ripe hornet]

tbh micro transactions for cosmetics are scummy too

Why do people buy cosmetics? Because... They wanna dress up, look fancy- and the skins/items usually are unachievable without paying

[static flax]

Truth, especially these days.
So long as they don't start locking actual content behind + I think we'll be okay though.

[hollow ingot]

Somewhat like in TF2?

[static flax]

Havnt really gotten too familiar with how tf2 does their cosmetics but loot box type things would murder the game. I'd like to think the devs know that

[ripe hornet]

tf2 has an entire economy around hats

this is truly the future

[pallid wraith]

Battlepass is the best system, people can pay to unlock skins, they know what skins they're going to earn and they have progressions and goals to keep the game fresh. I'm ok with paid cosmetics that do not interfere with gameplay mechanics. However I don't believe this would work for VRChat since avatars are a core part

[ripe hornet]

There is a battlepass in DBD and you literally make all your funds back if you complete it

[pallid wraith]

VRChat already has a community of artist/modellers/animators etc. And people do pay for avatars already and keep them private. Just add an in-game store to purchase avatars and take a percentage of the profits. Boom

[ripe hornet]

Tbh I just want a feature that makes avatars only gettable from podiums and favourites- so you can make maps where you have an avatar as reward

[pallid wraith]

That is also a really cool idea 😮

[ripe hornet]

We are getting 25 slots.

for free.

[hollow ingot]

Only then could I truly be proud of getting an avatar! Like the one when you die in that big Final Fantasy world.

[ripe hornet]

It is also worth noting that favourites kill traffic to other worlds. I once had a guy show me a bloody awesome world filled with BNHA models, something I would likely not have found if they had just favourited everything lmao

[pallid wraith]

I don't know why avatar favouriting has a limit? I assume on the backend it's just stored as a list, imagine if you had a friend/follower limit on facebook/twitter

[ripe hornet]

You do actually, afaik, its just insanely huge.

[stark nest]

What are bhna

[frank girder]

anyone wanna play?

[ripe hornet]

VRC+ gives you 100 slots, but the update will give you 25 slots over 16.

[hollow ingot]

We have a ton of world favorites... Do people use those to help getting avatars?

[ripe hornet]

Boku No Hero Academia/My Hero Academia.

[hollow ingot]

Sucks for avatars only gotten through cloning though.

[stark nest]

Ohh

[pallid wraith]

Avatars that can only be faved through making friends and cloning is a cool idea, it makes it rare and the avatar slowly spreads like a virus 😛

[ripe hornet]

Concept: Avatars that cannot be favourited (IE, event themed ones) and you can only go to the world yourself, no portals or invites

[ripe hornet]

oårygtjoerh ohm y god that is brilliant? It would be so cool to have an avatar slowly spread like a virus until you see it at least once in every world

[elfin matrix]

most public avatars aren't found in avatar worlds i would think

[ripe hornet]

Because worlds give you more avatars?

[pallid wraith]

Yeah lol, similar to a concept in Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, there was a banner you could only unlock by being killed by someone with that banner.

[pallid wraith]

Imagine a udon casino with avatars as prizes ( in map currency of course )

[stuck leaf]

there was world with all public avatars from vrchat
this probably https://en.vrcw.net/world/detail/wrld_006353ba-b25b-4a9b-9b26-30726646b271
or this https://en.vrcw.net/world/detail/wrld_5e2b59df-e77e-4bcc-9504-7b58b813cc55

they got deleted dunno but its possible to make world with all vrchat public avatars for self but dunno or ask person who did this and for own map

its probably got deleted because its was pressure to vrchat api or something

[ripe hornet]

That would be sick.

[stuck leaf]

i think its still not moral but dunno its just was there like topics where people saying someone got their avatar from that world or api maybe dunno

there just a lot of avatar and api cant take it or servers

[pallid wraith]

Could add a note to avatars, so when you hover over someone it tells you how they got it ( cloning, world, api, etc )

[worthy oracle]

why

[pallid wraith]

so you don't have to ask how they got their avatar 😛

[simple quest]

Ngl , open mic night is going crazy rn

[worthy oracle]

but that's pointless, if its public people can use it

YO fr? i want in

[ripe hornet]

Maybe a quick button to travel to the world?

[pallid wraith]

even better

[simple quest]

nah it's just really glitchy for me ( somehow the pug works )

[stuck leaf]

dunno there already is someone made world well with all avatars and pedestals but the world got deleted

[fathom cargo]

If I get VRC+ for the first month, and I eventually stop pledging, do I get to keep the early supporter badge like it used to be with Discord Nitro?

[ripe hornet]

Idea: The avatar favourites are lowered- however- there comes an extra tab that allows you to access your favourited world tabs much more easily

[pallid wraith]

Unrelated idea, you know how you have the little avatar marker for PC/Quest, it would be nice to have a marker to show if full body is supported

Why not?

Oh there is a #feature-requests channel, but i'm just sharing ideas for fun and conversation

[jagged arrow]

#vrchat-pictures

apparently someone has a “please upgrade to vrchat plus to see this avatar” joke avatar

[pallid wraith]

Ooooh imagine if avatars could detect if you have plus or not 😂

I think i saw someone online who created an avatar that informs you what kind of headset you're using

[slim temple]

Unrelated idea, you know how you have the little avatar marker for PC/Quest, it would be nice to have a marker to show if full body is supported
@pallid wraith There's no way to tell if an avatar is full body supported or not, unless it has a "generic rig" like Flower of Good's flowerpot or the Blue Chicken.
But, that's a good idea generally, a set of supported features icons that you can tag an avatar with on upload would go a long way.

[vocal shard]

hmmmmmmm

[slim temple]

what CAN be detected by the client is if an avatar was AV3 or AV2 on upload

[pallid wraith]

Yeah manually tag instead of programmatically figuring it out 🙂

[slim temple]

you stole the words out of my mouth

[balmy wind]

Bruh

[slim temple]

so that would be an easy win and a very welcome addition.
Here's a few things off the top of my head that could potentially be detected from the AV controller stats on upload:
AV3
Eyelook supported (with a + for lookup and lookdown facial animation)
FX Menu
Custom Animators
Height inside a certain ranges

[vocal shard]

vrchat plus seems like a horrible idea

[balmy wind]

Bad idea yep

[pallid wraith]

Supported heights for full body identification ❤️

[vocal shard]

monetize on 99.9% of community provided assets that aren't theirs

[ripe hornet]

Question, where are those assets hosted?

[vocal shard]

ahaha not at allll

[slim temple]

Supported heights for full body identification ❤️
We do have portraits for now though, so it would be a neat trend to show features in them. Some people do.

[vocal shard]

I see why so many people like using quality of life clients though

vrchat has potential and I feel like this is gonna ruin much of it

[pallid wraith]

True, all of this can be done with portraits. This would just add some standardisation to where to look on screen

[vocal shard]

wait, is the server in slowmode or just me?

[slim temple]

True, all of this can be done with portraits. This would just add some standardisation to where to look on screen
I completely agree and I think it's a really good idea

[hollow ingot]

15sec instead of the usual 10s

[vocal shard]

Ah, that's why it is so noticable

[shell bear]

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard do not call out users here, submit a moderation report at https://help.vrchat.com/new including proof of claimed actions

[vocal shard]

Sorry

[dark harness]

I think people who don't like VRChat Plus have a lot of potential, and I'm worried that they're going to ruin it by continuing to disagree with me.

[ripe hornet]

I just hope the devs lower the price to 5 usd at least

[slim temple]

maximum backhanded compliment mode activate XD

[vast tulip]

ready steady?!

[fathom cargo]

You can't expect people to be happy about a monthly subscription that costs the same as Spotify

[vocal shard]

I understand making money off of a product, but a monthly subscription to what people passionately think should be base game? Look at the like to dislike ratio on the announcement video on youtube. That should say something,

[slim temple]

I understand making money off of a product, but a monthly subscription to what people passionately think should be base game? Look at the like to dislike ratio on the announcement video on youtube. That should say something,
I spend money on twitch streamers now and then for entertaining me for an hour or two once or twice a month if I find the time to veg.
VRChat has entertained me for upwards of 10k hours directly and indirectly over the last half a decade.

it costs 27$USD to see a movie in a theater. Maybe some popcorn and an arcade game.

for 2 hours of entertainment.
Perspective is fun.

[vocal shard]

but it isn't JUST a service. It is a product. that relies on it's players PROVIDING the content

[slim temple]

but it isn't JUST a service. It is a product. that relies on it's players PROVIDING the content
What is Cloud Hosting for 200, Alex?

[vocal shard]

+1

[dark harness]

And those players rely on us PROVIDING the servers that they play on, which costs HOT DOLLA DOLLA BILLZ which we do not HAVE

[ripe hornet]

just host servers lol not that hard bro smh my head

[vast tulip]

are you joking?

[ripe hornet]

Yeah

[vast tulip]

I can tell

[ripe hornet]

Lmao thankfully.

[pallid wraith]

It seems like a very difficult thing. I think no matter what you did you'd upset some people tbh

[vocal shard]

Then a one time purchase? A subscription that provides lots of stuff that other people have found ways to provide? (BUT for context, I know I am not going to pay for it and life and vrchat goes on, oh well. Not my decision and I won't change it. Just seeing points of view right now)

[hollow ingot]

💸 A necessary evil to keep this game running?

[ripe hornet]

I'll probs purchase the subscription either way, even if I have critique of it

[vocal shard]

+1

[dark harness]

Anyways, services like Netflix and Spotify for $10/mo can offer prices that low for so much stuff because they can paywall the entire product behind it and offer an extremely scaled back experience for non-paying customers

[fathom cargo]

I think people are just frustrated because you're adding features that've been requested for 3+ years and that clients have had forever

[slim temple]

And those players rely on us PROVIDING the servers that they play on, which costs HOT DOLLA DOLLA BILLZ which we do not HAVE
Jinx! Jinx!
Answer: "These supercomputer clusters operating 24/7 in a secure facility cost millions to operate, and use water from a nearby lake to cool them"
"Uhhh... What is Amazon EC2?"

[slow cypress]

Then ya don't buy it now, and re-evaluate its value when more benefits are added.

[hybrid zenith]

how do i become a early supporter

[vocal shard]

purchase a subscription to vrchat+ :)

[hybrid zenith]

is it even out yet

[vocal shard]

hmm

[elfin matrix]

but wouldn't you'd rather buy with the knowledge that your money will go towards improving and keeping the game going for everyone? i'd rather they not add too many benefits, at least not ones that are visible to other users

[frail zephyr]

beta in steam

[hybrid zenith]

ok so its not buyable yet

[ripe hornet]

As I've suggested, I will pay 100 a month if the only bonus is pictures of devs' animals

[elfin matrix]

by not adding benefits i mean instead adding it for everyone

[slim temple]

+1
you realize these "features" create huge strain on databases not intended to handle them?
I have a twitter thread about it trying to explain to people the ridiculous amount of database calls just pulling up your social menu entails.

[vocal shard]

Oh don't get me wrong, I understand all that. I just think there can be better benefits and better ways to charge for this.

[slim temple]

Then wait for the OTHER 4 things they talked about to be released as part of it

[vestal pier]

The TWO benefits that are revealed aren't much but there's more planned

[slim temple]

Two of them were already shown! Picture invites and custom UI skinning!

[dark harness]

It's a really tough line to walk - if we make the benefits too good, everyone will be mad that they aren't base game, and if we make the benefits too bad, nobody will want to buy them, so the fact that the response to VRChat+ is half and half between "I can't believe that's not base game" and "what, that's nothing, why would I even pay for that" means that we're pretty close to threading the needle, I think

[vast tulip]

that actually is the hardest balance yeah, I never thought about it like that

[buoyant harness]

🍎

[ripe hornet]

Thanos smiles upon you

[vestal pier]

Hopefully ui skins and nameplates are available via a in game currency or something then maybe community made stuff will be purchasable who knows

[slim temple]

Twitter is actually an apt comparison. VRChat is like 3d twitter, getting all your "follows" and "new posts" constantly. In japan, they call VRChat an "VR SNS" (social networking site) and that's what it is - except it literally allows you to explore worlds with better voice chat than discord for 80 people at once dancing in a club while streaming 1080p twitch into a virtual rave system that has signal processing and lighting that reacts to sound, while transmitting the body movements of 80 people with 6 point full body tracking in REALTIME on your VR HEADSET.

[ripe hornet]

ingame currency

have you not seen how much of a disaster the VRC+ reaction has been

[slim temple]

christ on a pogo stick.

Anyway, lub you guys, back to working on vrcon XD

[vestal pier]

I haven't seen it kenan no

[dark harness]

also if you just want pictures of dev pets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnPH0F_VkAYO1wo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[elfin matrix]

there's been disastrous reactions in the past, like the ranks. you push forward regardless and people will get used to it

[ripe hornet]

Damn it System

now you made VRC+ worthless 😦

[vestal pier]

Personally I'd like an ingame currency so I can support myself directly through vrc

[slim temple]

also if you just want pictures of dev pets
@dark harness I needed that. ❤️

[vocal shard]

I would enjoy seeing a trello board for upcoming additions! and maybe custom color coding for certain ui aspects, or just changing the whole ui to what the user likes, or an exclusive discord channel that announces ways the game will improve or what issues they are working on, etc. It isn't hard to make smaller, and more appreciated improvements. ALTHOUGH I do understand at least one person will always be mad, but I don't think a monthly sub is what should provide the two benefits we have already seen, so I am excited to see the new additions. But you can't lie, the reactions people are having is showing how this idea will go. But all is love and mirror dwelling in the world of vrc, so not too much of a bother to me

[vestal pier]

As opposed to relying on third party stores

[north willow]

Will I still be able to use my VR Headset for other games if I don't have VRC+?

[slim temple]

@vocal shard LOL DUDE they already have one!

[vocal shard]

no, monthly subscriptions to steam

[slim temple]

it's called canny! The canny has statuses for user suggestions that are being worked on!

[vocal shard]

Already have what? (edit: Oh. I will check it out)

[hollow ingot]

I don't want to imagine FaceBook somehow obtaining VRC.

[slim temple]

Anything internal is kept close to the chest because they have competitors!
Canny.io functions like trello.

[vestal pier]

No ave, give your hmd to me i guess

[elfin matrix]

wait, what? what are you even asking here? what does vrc+ have to do with you being able to play other games?

[dark harness]

Yeah, actually, if you don't buy VRChat+ your headset will be bricked for all other VR games, I can confirm that

[pallid wraith]

Trello? Jira? What we working on this sprint bruhs? 😎

[vocal shard]

I think he was teasing

[north willow]

😢

[dark harness]

to be honest, I'm really disappointed we didn't lead with that clever little bit of headset hostage-taking, I think it'd make the product seem a lot more impressive

[elfin matrix]

ah. then again, are there even other games to play?

[vestal pier]

What if I don't have a hmd does my PC get locked to desktop mode vrc?

[vocal shard]

I like anime girl simulator VR

[pallid wraith]

You going all Sword Art Online?

[slim temple]

Already have what? _edit: Oh. I will check it out)
@vocal shard
Congratulations everyone, we just discovered something that does deserve a teeeeny bit of criticism. XD
We need to communicate the numerous forms of communication that VRChat has, because they're numerous, and not numerated anywhere where they can be enumerated.
We must inform the seething masses!

[hasty wedge]

my dream is for system to marry me

[dark harness]

If you don't have a HMD, your computer will actively burst into flames, with a generous helping hand from NVIDIA's new 30XX line

[vocal shard]

I can support this. Never even heard of it

[hasty wedge]

system can u marry me

[vestal pier]

As if I can buy a 30XX card right now lol

[dark harness]

If you only have a 20XX (peasant) your computer will still burst into flames, but they will only be 1080p flames, not luscious 4K flames

[slim temple]

we have:
VRChat Twitter
VRChat Twitch
VRChat Youtube
VRChat Medium Blog (pappa system please post more articles so I can clap them!)
ask.vrchat.com
docs.vrchat.com
occasional posts to vrcat.com
This discord's alerts
posts on the game's did you know... WHICH MENTIONS THE CANNY...

[vocal shard]

System is the deadmau5 of vrchat, he just wears an old monitor instead of a mouse helmet

[vestal pier]

I have a 960 bruh I'm desperate for an upgrade but I can't get anything hahaha

[pallid wraith]

4k is a meme, embrace 1080p

[kindred nacelle]

So many people btching about the fact that the devs feel the same way as we do about what makes VRChat great and don't want to crack down on copyright infringement and NSFW content.

[vestal pier]

If vrc could control the abuse of copyright they would LOL. Its borderline impossible

[kindred nacelle]

Says you. I can think of three ways off the top of my head.

[vocal shard]

eh. But it IS nice to see devs not lose their shit on players when talking in here. A lot of people I know are debating on steam and getting banned from the community. I don't like the censorship so I appreciate the calm nature in here

[vestal pier]

Ok go

[kindred nacelle]

Each one worse than the last.

[elfin matrix]

to be fair you do swear to have the rights to whatever you upload. not their fault people are liars

[vestal pier]

Ok go?

[hasty wedge]

its simple just switch the location of ur company to china

[slim temple]

we have:
VRChat Twitter
VRChat Twitch
VRChat Youtube
VRChat Medium Blog (pappa system please post more articles so I can clap them!)
ask.vrchat.com
docs.vrchat.com
occasional posts to vrcat.com
This discord's alerts
posts on the game's did you know... WHICH MENTIONS THE CANNY...
Posts in the hub,
posts on the posters in the default home worlds
attending official and unoffical events which draw the devs who are really friendly
my twitter because I don't shut up
the 36th floor of the pancake dimension also has vrchat posts, because they're LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.

[kindred nacelle]

An aggressive ban wave or two, to be able to claim for the record that they're trying to enforce it.

An approval process for all uploads.

[vestal pier]

Do you understand the amount of content that would need to be moderated

[vocal shard]

already happening in discussions for really light reasons that they are making into heavy mistakes

[vestal pier]

If they have to hire more people vrc+ will go up to 20 dollars

[hasty wedge]

but where did their 10mil+ dollars go tho

[slim temple]

Do you understand the amount of content that would need to be moderated
@vestal pier this is a rhetorical question normally. I fear that they do not realize that.
in 2018 vrchat reported that 1.8 million avatars were uploaded that year.

[elfin matrix]

make vrc++

[vocal shard]

well I am gonna get ready for my stream, thanks for the healthy debate and information sharing guys! Take care

[hasty wedge]

i pay for vrc+ to support my favorite man and to hope one day he will marry me system

[vestal pier]

Oh @dark harness petition to rename nuisance to vrc-

[slim temple]

now imagine, for a moment, that vrchat is easily 5x as popular as it was in 2018 and WAYYYYY more people have learned how to use unity and blender has just undergone the biggest universal usability change in it's history.
Virtual market has EIGHTEEN HUNDRED EXHIBITORS.

[dark harness]

I can't comment on the company's official position on anything, but I can say that I, personally, only like copyright when it's being wielded by small creators to protect their livelihoods, and hate it when it's large media conglomerates trying to consolidate their power to crush fans

[sleek sparrow]

if you get this role, you have to pay vrchat money and you dont get any features

[vestal pier]

Hey thats me ^

[analog schooner]

I'm going to say this. Paying to boost your trust rank is a terrible idea.

[vestal pier]

100yrs

[pallid wraith]

Subscription system is good in my books, it keeps the servers running, you support the devs, think of how much they can improve the game with all that new 💵💵💵.

[sleek sparrow]

but trust ranks in general are meaningless, so why does it matter?

[kindred nacelle]

Literally any other way of monetizing VRChat would result in all of this happening, and worse. You'd end up a legless Mii with western animation facial features in a zucc-approved green pasture.

[elfin matrix]

getting rank takes no time at all and there are several ways to boost it even quicker

[little rampart]

exactly, it doesnt matter

[vestal pier]

People who are likely to get plus are already high ranking. Cheaters will not sink money into the game to rank up

[dark harness]

hey, legless-Mii-pasture-chat could be fun

[sleek sparrow]

its already been proven people are assholes regardless of nametag, so who cares if its easier to go from grey to green?

[elfin matrix]

isn't the point to get users above visitor quickly so they can have a more pleasant time?

[vestal pier]

never

[slim temple]

I'm going to say this. Paying to boost your trust rank is a terrible idea.
@analog schooner it's easier to trust someone when they're willing to pay for the service you provide, because if they then choose to violate the terms of service, they lose access to the thing they paid for.
Kinda like being a dick on Call of Duty. You wanna get banned from netplay on your 89$ dolla game?

[gray cave]

the purples are scared the social structure they've made will collapse

[kindred nacelle]

You think they'll let you talk when there's a chance you might say something non advertiser friendly?

[little rampart]

no, the point is just to make a donation, and devs are nice and give you something as their way to say thank you

[slim temple]

the purples are scared the social structure they've made will collapse
wait until he finds out about legendary and troll

[analog schooner]

Actually yeah I guess that is true

[wooden atlas]

I'm a purple user and I hate the elitism. Don't lump us all together and generalize us like we're all the same person

[analog schooner]

I remember this Trusted user who admitted that he crashed people he didn't like

[little rampart]

most purples couldnt care less about that, im purple myself, and i couldnt care less about the ranks

[gray cave]

it's a funny meme dont hurt me please

[wooden atlas]

No problem

[elfin matrix]

i'm already above trusted so the boost doesn't apply to me, but i was thinking more in general

[kindred nacelle]

I've never seen purple elitism actually. Though personally I'm suspicious of grey users. Any other color is fine

[vestal pier]

If vrc guys were actually hard on copyright then everyone would be stuck wearing brush, to me that sounds fine but idk

[fathom cargo]

lmfao where have you been hanging out???

[burnt ruin]

They specifically said its a small boost too

[little rampart]

yeah, i didnt think you were asking for yourself

[analog schooner]

If anything I wish there was a better way to stop Ban-evasion.

[hasty wedge]

ill actually kms irl if i see 1 more person using a tooth brush avatar

[dark harness]

The trust boost is, uh, a slope based on your initial level? A slope that decreases, the higher your base level is. So it can boost a low-level user to the point where they can upload avatars right away, but for higher level users it's not going to even be enough to jump a rank I don't think. The idea is just that if people pay for the game they've proven to us that they're not bots and should be able to use the most basic features.

[vast tulip]

I will say, Systems medium posts are the best

[vestal pier]

Bad news

[hasty wedge]

ono

[kindred nacelle]

dance parties, almost exclusively. no name color discrimination there

[elfin matrix]

thought as much. is a good idea

[pallid wraith]

But ranks are useful, it lets me know who actually comes on often and i have a chance of talking to again. I have a lot more interesting conversations with these people most of the time as well

[burnt ruin]

What places do dance parties

[fathom cargo]

Cause... you're dancing and not really socializing?

[kindred nacelle]

Sure, if by dancing you mean drinking

[vestal pier]

Dancing is a social act

[wooden atlas]

plenty of times I've been in public black cats and the purple users at the mirror will just automatically block all the grays in the lobby

[sleek sparrow]

i dont think you have ever been to a party before

[little rampart]

true, it also lets me welcome the new people and try for them to have a nice first experience

[kindred nacelle]

what he said ^

[dark harness]

Plus, like SomethingAwful, we can start making money by repeat banning trolls who are willing to trust boost their way back into the game every time. I CALL THEM TEN DOLLAR BANS AND WE'RE GONNA BE RICH*

• please, please do not take this statement seriously

[hasty wedge]

im already going to spread it to every discord ur donezo

[dark harness]

noooooo

[vestal pier]

Plenty of times have I had grey users block me on sight too haha

[hasty wedge]

unless u marry me tho

[wooden atlas]

Question for the devs, do you think the custom pictures will be hard to moderate?

[dark harness]

Yes. Yes we do.

[little rampart]

wut, thats horrible, i have never seen/notice that

[slim temple]

If vrc guys were actually hard on copyright then everyone would be stuck wearing brush, to me that sounds fine but idk
hey have you guys heard of a virtual market? I heard this BlueAsis guy has legal avatars for sale there. It's almost like we did it because asking VRChat to enforce copyright was an impossible job for them and we understand that, so we instead got people to make WAY COOLER and more compatible avatars that beat the pants off game rips.
Then we started getting companies to put their game models into VRChat, but this time, legally. Man. Wouldn't that be swell.

I will say, Systems medium posts are the best
@vast tulip yus!

[vestal pier]

But I just want my windmill picture system why bannn???

[kindred nacelle]

I don't block greys on sight but I keep my finger on the trigger because of the extremely high possibility that they end up being a crasher, squeaker, racist, or SAO fan

[elfin matrix]

if trusted users talk about doing that openly i just block them, not worth having

[analog schooner]

That reminds me, if anyone is stupid enough to crash someone after paying for VRC+, would it be possible to blacklist their paypal account from paying for it again?

[hasty wedge]

thats kinda racist

[dark harness]

We're hoping that the fact that you lose $10 if we catch you spammin' swastika icons or raw human genitalia will discourage users from doing that

[vestal pier]

Or an sao fan hahahaha

[elfin matrix]

payment is done through steam

[fathom cargo]

Crashers? You mean like 80% of trusted users?

[wooden atlas]

Your name is kind of classist

[pallid wraith]

When are we going to get an official sponsored Pepsi world with authentic Pepsi man avatars?

[kindred nacelle]

I am extremely racist against children and republicans and I am not sorry

[hasty wedge]

if the swastika isnt tilted can we use it as a profile picture?

[wooden atlas]

😳

[slim temple]

When are we going to get an official sponsored Pepsi world with authentic Pepsi man avatars?
@pallid wraith 7-11 wasn't enough?!

[hollow ingot]

Sounds satisfying... but also exploitable.

[hasty wedge]

its a symbol of my religion

[dark harness]

When are we going to get an official sponsored Pepsi world with authentic Pepsi man avatars?
@pallid wraith as soon as they drop the restraining order

[little rampart]

there are already people willing to purchase vrc+ just to troll and do exactly that, so prepare the "dollar bans" XD

[slim temple]

When are we going to get an official sponsored Pepsi world with authentic Pepsi man avatars?
@pallid wraith no but seriously stay tuned to our twitter if you're into that kinda thing. 😛

[vestal pier]

Pepsi vket sponsor????

[sleek sparrow]

i do too, but people pay 80 dollars for games just to cheat and hack them and eventually get banned. 10 dollars sounds like a good deal to those people

[slim temple]

there are already people willing to purchase vrc+ just to troll and do exactly that, so prepare the "dollar bans" XD
That sounds like free money for VRC

[kindred nacelle]

matsuri and coco cashiers next vket or riot

[vestal pier]

Sounds like a good deal to the vrc team too lol

[soft portal]

Atleast the money can be used to better the servers/connection

[slim temple]

Pepsi vket sponsor????
@vestal pier no, but official avatars of cool corporate things are something we always do.

[vestal pier]

Yo can brush sponsor vket?

Official brush vket sponsor lmao

[kindred nacelle]

I bet coco would be psyched to deal asacoco from the back entrance of a 7-11

[sleek sparrow]

imagine if there was an official pepsiman avatar and it played that pepsiman song by noma. that would be sick. id buy it

[slim temple]

matsuri and coco cashiers next vket or riot
@kindred nacelle humm!
We do have Momoiro Clover Z showing up FOR REAL.
Official brush vket sponsor lmao
you can do that. We got Kon.

[sleek sparrow]

and before you say anything, i know that exists. but its not official

[vestal pier]

I mean it can happen, square sponsored last vket for an official 2b avatar

[slim temple]

and 7s!

[sleek sparrow]

yeah but 2b sucks. it aint my boy pepsiman. she's too lanky for me

[kindred nacelle]

coco's weird-ass voice playing every time you walk in and out of one of those things...

[pallid wraith]

I also hope more companies host events in VRChat, imagine Google IO, Apple, E3, Airshows, Olympics, etc

[slim temple]

Oh, and Tachikoma from Gits. And a buncha virtual fighters.

[kindred nacelle]

You could take the tachikoma as an avatar!?

[slim temple]

I also hope more companies host events in VRChat, imagine Google IO, Apple, E3, Airshows, Olympics, etc
That's 100% bound to happen and is probably already happening and we just don't know about it yet

[sleek sparrow]

e3 should just go full virtual by the end of the decade, complete with a vr showroom

[elfin matrix]

those companies probably require a bit more control than vrchat can give them, especially when it comes to security and moderation

[slim temple]

You could take the tachikoma as an avatar!?
@kindred nacelle YES, and get a legal license to use it too. You still can.

[sleek sparrow]

yeah it definitely wouldnt be in vrchat, but id pay money for a ticket to a virtual e3 showfloor

[kindred nacelle]

If it plays nice with full body I want it

though if it's as expensive as 2B maybe I'll try to acquire it through less legitimate means instead

[slim temple]

those companies probably require a bit more control than vrchat can give them, especially when it comes to security and moderation
Do you think Marvel and Netflix needed control?
yeah it definitely wouldnt be in vrchat, but id pay money for a ticket to a virtual e3 showfloor
YEaaahhhhh I would have to say from experence, that one would be easy to do.

[kindred nacelle]

we never did get to watch EVO in VRchat with Sajam :c

[vocal shard]

People are just gonna chargeback if they get banned.

[sleek sparrow]

it would be, but it probably isnt worthwhile yet

[slim temple]

though if it's as expensive as 2B maybe I'll try to acquire it through less legitimate means instead
@kindred nacelle There's a legal tachikoma world with pedistals. Just do that plz.

[sleek sparrow]

not enough vr users in the world

[vestal pier]

Thats steams issue to solve i think

[analog schooner]

That's what TOS is for

[pallid wraith]

Other events i'd like in VRChat plz, I want a full recreation of the british museum of natural history. Thanks in advance

[vestal pier]

On it

[slim temple]

though if it's as expensive as 2B
@kindred nacelle you're paying for the license.

[dark harness]

When I went to e3, it was mostly incredibly long lines for, like, 5-minute presser samples of games that were nowhere near complete that I was zero percent interested in, and a 6-hour-long line for Smash. The best thing about e3 was that Devolver put up a tent with literal free beer and hot dogs and I think I spent 2 entire days circling that cart.

[vestal pier]

The bygone era of pre-current-world-events

[sleek sparrow]

i would go to play the games early. that devolver definitely does not sound like my thing. would be a shame if they had games near all that beer. ugh.

[dark harness]

... I don't think VR E3 could match the free-hot-dog-and-beer game, OR how boring the entire rest of the event was

[slim temple]

Other events i'd like in VRChat plz, I want a full recreation of the british museum of natural history. Thanks in advance
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_ab96cfee-49ad-4a11-b5b8-0178d0907f9a would this tide you over for now @pallid wraith

i would go to play the games early. that devolver definitely does not sound like my thing. would be a shame if they had games near all that beer. ugh.
@sleek sparrow devolver actually made a game with games inside games that you could visit in vr

[sleek sparrow]

just make your own hot dogs and beer if you want it so badly

[slim temple]

when e3 canceled

[sleek sparrow]

yeah i played that. thats exactly what e3 should be now

[north willow]

I know i've said this before but just want to make sure the devs here me out, if you guys haven't thought about it yet can you consider possibly a way to hide the fact that someone is a VRC+ user? I'm worried about targeted harassments/attacks when I do have it.

[pallid wraith]

Oh thanks, i'll check that out 🙂

[slim temple]

I know i've said this before but just want to make sure the devs here me out, if you guys haven't thought about it yet can you consider possibly a way to hide the fact that someone is a VRC+ user? I'm worried about targeted harassments/attacks when I do have it.
I don't disagree with this

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, you can just block the users and report them

[slim temple]

we can already hide trusted rank

[hardy mural]

I wonder why you can’t see certain avatars on quest

[sleek sparrow]

thats what you should be doing. bait em out

[dark harness]

That's on our list of user feedback we're seriously considering. It may not make the final build, but, uh, know that we've heard it and it's at least gonna get discussed

[slim temple]

I wonder why you can’t see certain avatars on quest
@hardy mural because they're too many materials and the textures are too large for the system memory to render.

[vestal pier]

I'm fairly sure the people who threatening others are the loud minority

[vocal shard]

Quest runs on android and has lower spec hardware

[pallid wraith]

Imagine a VRChat E3 world where you can walk up to stands and demo the games ( via video feed working through Stadia/XCloud etc ). But that's probably a lot more effort than i think it is lol

[sleek sparrow]

cause the quest hardware is weak and even so called optimized avatars might be too much.

[slim temple]

I wonder why you can’t see certain avatars on quest
@hardy mural ALSO because people are lazy and don't upload them to quest. Jordo made a tool called "Easy quest switch" and if you're an avatar maker you should install it.

[vestal pier]

Hey I optimise

[hardy mural]

Oh ok makes sense

[slim temple]

Tell everyone you know: Quest stuff gets 10x the traffic everything else does

[dark harness]

we were also thinking of giving VRChat+ users a belt that would fire off a little emergency rocket if they were getting targeted

https://64.media.tumblr.com/f0864628eddfe31ae6e9d101eb04a02e/tumblr_miu1rcukEx1ro2u6wo1_500.png

[weary jungle]

TIL Quest runs on android

[slim temple]

so if you wanna flex and show off, UPLOAD TO QUEST

[sleek sparrow]

sometimes avatars just wont work with quest. i doubt full cloth physics are something quest users can handle lol

[slim temple]

I got 7800 visits to a world on haloween because I uploaded it to quest.

[vestal pier]

Oh while we're at it system, how about vrc+ users being able to ban literally anyone who isn't a + member?

[sleek sparrow]

ill buy it even if it was like 1000 dollars a year

[vestal pier]

Lmao

[slim temple]

in 1 day.

sometimes avatars just wont work with quest. i doubt full cloth physics are something quest users can handle lol
actually it's remarkibly possible on quest, especially quest 2. The hardware inside the quest isn't... "Weaker". it's "different" mostly.

but it's not enabled in vrchat, so yeah

[dark harness]

Oh, I pitched something like that yesterday - VRChat ++ - you pay us $48 and we will completely eradicate any player from the game forever

but you have to pay each time

[hardy mural]

Also why can’t quest use pc avatars is it because of hand physics or...

[sleek sparrow]

where do i sign up?

[vocal shard]

I still think vrc+ getting pvp options would be a bit of fun chaos.

[vestal pier]

No more pesky dmca emails, sign me up

[hollow blaze]

yo lemme pay 48$ and eradicate Tupper from there

[sleek sparrow]

what if only vrc+ users had avatar collision?

[pallid wraith]

What's the current meta for VRChat PvP? Are we still staring at mirrors all day?

[sleek sparrow]

but they couldnt toggle it off

[dark harness]

only if Tupper doesn't pay $48 to eradicate you first!

[slim temple]

Also why can’t quest use pc avatars is it because of hand physics or...
@hardy mural because again they need to be formatted for the OS and hardware.

[north willow]

It seems very possible and kind of likely the situation of someone seeing a VRC+ user and trying to crash them.

[hollow blaze]

oof lmao

[vestal pier]

Outbid the person you want to ban and you can have it

[sleek sparrow]

perfect

[kindred nacelle]

Nanachis still seem to be S-tier for pvp

[sleek sparrow]

call it "eban", its like ebay, but for bans

[slim temple]

@hardy mural MOST avatars in the game could run on quest, actually. But, people need to be taught how, and shamed into, uploading for quest.

[vestal pier]

Were onto something here

[hardy mural]

You would expect quest 2’s hardware to render THICC ANIME GIRLS

[sleek sparrow]

if you do that, facebook will ban you and brick your quest

[weary jungle]

THICC 10k polygons

[vestal pier]

It can if its optimised

[dark harness]

Yeah, and they need to be complied for android and uploaded separately, and if you do one of a half-dozen performance things wrong you will literally cause the headset to burst into flames

luscious 4k flames

[slim temple]

You would expect quest 2’s hardware to render THICC ANIME GIRLS
@hardy mural For sure it does. But if users don't gather all the waifus and dump them into quest, you'll just have to deal with all them blue chickens and VketChans.

[sleek sparrow]

so in other words quest sucks. this is known

[slim temple]

so in other words quest sucks. this is known
@sleek sparrow I disagree completely.

[dark harness]

actually, the Quest 2's V-THICC chip is surprisingly powerful

[vestal pier]

Its good kit.

[kindred nacelle]

I don't like the Nanachi playstyle so I keep a janky Kizuna build around for pvp

[wooden atlas]

I have one and the wireless stuff with sidequest is pretty sick

[hollow blaze]

I'm gonna just make a recolor Unity-Chan with some low poly props,surely Quest can handle that right?

[slim temple]

I have a world that is 4 million polygons and 8k textures in ASTC 4x4 and it's fine. 72fps.

[vestal pier]

I'm still rocking the brush build, scream singing the no no song

[wooden atlas]

I can play pavlov in my bed

[hardy mural]

The quest 2 was a much better upgrade than the 5$ one where I put my phone in 😂😂

[sleek sparrow]

i use kagiyama hina so i can spin to win in vrchat

[dark harness]

I built a couple of worlds using entirely kitbashed Synty assets and got them running smoothly on the Quest

[slim temple]

I'm gonna just make a recolor Unity-Chan with some low poly props,surely Quest can handle that right?
@hollow blaze she's already medium on quest!

[vestal pier]

Thinking about switching to the egirl build, it seems popular

[kindred nacelle]

squeaker aggro is the worst cancer since the knuckles meta and you should feel bad

[vestal pier]

I don't feel bad they like my avatar what can I do about it 😔

[dark harness]

the other employees keep telling me "fix the Z-fighting" but I know that the z-fighting is crucial to the aesthetic

[sleek sparrow]

mine gets the holiday buff due to her colour scheme

[hollow blaze]

oh wow didn't know it could handle that little

[sleek sparrow]

i dunno why people hate on z fighting. it gives games a certain charm

[pallid wraith]

texture flickering is kino

[slim temple]

I should know! But mostly, it's because @arctic goblet is awesome. You can get the model data from v-market .work @hollow blaze , we would love for you to use it.

[dark harness]

Who want calm, placid Zs? not THIS guy

[slim temple]

in fact, you're even allowed to sell what you make with her for real money.

[vestal pier]

Its just my artstyle guys, I like the way the flickering looks

[dark harness]

I wanna see 'em RUMBLE

[hollow blaze]

Zs,I thought you meant Gmod Zombie Survival for a second

[sleek sparrow]

i wonder if anyone has actually used z fighting as an aesthetic choice. bonus points if people liked it

[vestal pier]

Yeah its called the ps1

[kindred nacelle]

It just occurred to me that Melody no longer counts as a "forbidden avatar" because the guy who gave a damn about taking them down got publically blown up for claiming to own her IP

[sleek sparrow]

ps1 did not have z fighting, it had z buffering issues

[hollow blaze]

@slim temple well I mean I already have the chibi unity chan,isn't unity chan just default?

[sleek sparrow]

although im sure some games had z fighting problems as well

[slim temple]

oh wait, I thought you said vketchan

but both have that same freedom.

[vestal pier]

Don't analyse my 2second joke 😤

[wooden atlas]

Serious question, and I'm not trying to be mean or offensive. The features you get with VR chat plus at the moment do not seem like it's worth $10, at least to me but that's just my opinion. How soon will more features be added? Are there any other planned features that you're able to talk about early? Or will we have to wait

[hollow blaze]

oh I have the assets for Melody and I had no idea that was happening,haven't used the avatar in ages even though I have her uploaded @kindred nacelle

[sleek sparrow]

but its 2 completely different things, so your joke kinda fell flat, just like 2 textures sharing the same z coordinates

[slim temple]

oh I have the assets for Melody and I had no idea that was happening,haven't used the avatar in ages even though I have her uploaded
it's not, do not have the assets. You cannot use them. Sthap.

[hollow blaze]

idek if I have the unity package anymore still working,that was like a whole year ago

[kindred nacelle]

She did a meet and greet for t3 patrons, one of said patrons seems to have been an unscrupulous person with a client, so the guy who made her is (still, maybe?) proactive about taking them down

[pallid wraith]

Imagine if they locked mirror usage behind VRC+ 😂

[vestal pier]

Streamer drama, thats my queue

[dark harness]

I think we've already announced some of the extra VRChat+ stuff that we have planned for the new year? Skins - like, literal human and animal skins that we will ship to your house, we don't know where they keep coming from and they're starting to scare us

[vestal pier]

Oh you don't like them?

[slim temple]

Streamer drama, thats my queue
@vestal pier yep, that's why I leave that to bagel. 😛

[hollow blaze]

@kindred nacelle ah as in Project Melody's avatar ok nvm I thought you meant another Melody

[dark harness]

and also there was this new feature idea that we came up with that allowed you to send rude pictures to your friends which is going to be a Moderation Adventure

[kindred nacelle]

tldr he and Melody fell out and she claims to have proof that legally the avatar itself is her property

[vestal pier]

Gonna need to hire more moderators 😎

[hollow blaze]

that seems like a tough thing,if he made her for Melody he does still own the rights to it

[slim temple]

tldr he and Melody fell out and she claims to have proof that legally the avatar itself is her property
It's best not to talk about this at all. Many of the people connected to all those projects are beloved or infamous vrchat people and it's not a fun time

[kindred nacelle]

not if, legally, she just hired him to do some modeling work for her

[hollow blaze]

but all that legal nonsense idk about so who knows

[flint kayak]

The fuck is this vrc+ stuff I’ve been hearing about, I’m a quest user and still hate the sound of it lol

[vestal pier]

Get informed before getting angry

[wooden atlas]

I'm assuming this just means that you can't really talk about any of the planned features that haven't been announced yet

[sleek sparrow]

its an optional subscription service to help support development

[flint kayak]

I understand it but I’m just worried about what it could turn into

[sleek sparrow]

please read the blog post, as many people getting upset at it clearly havent and are raging for no reason

[hardy mural]

Which is better, PC or quest

[vestal pier]

Neither

[slim temple]

not if, legally, she just hired him to do some modeling work for her
It's complicated and you should read up on the people involved before passing judgement.
No matter who owns the character, you DON'T and you DO NOT have rights to upload it. So don't.

[flint kayak]

It’s a good idea but could go downhill

[sleek sparrow]

pc hands down, but its way more expensive

[kindred nacelle]

I can agree to that

[vestal pier]

They are just different platforms, not comparable.

[pallid wraith]

Quest > PC, The specs on the Quest dominate any PC, it's basically alien technology

[hollow blaze]

@slim temple what is Vket chan anyways? I'm curious now,I always spend some time tinkering and editing avatars on a regular basis

[sleek sparrow]

quest is cheap, but you get what you pay for

also facebook can ban your account and brick your quest if you look at them funny so be careful

[slim temple]

@slim temple what is Vket chan anyways? I'm curious now,I always spend some time tinkering and editing avatars on a regular basis
@hollow blaze I'm afraid to begin typing because you're talking to the global ambassador and a manager of Virtual Market itself. lol

[sleek sparrow]

however, thats probably a worst case scenario and likely wont happen, but it can and has

[hollow blaze]

ah nevermind I just looked it up,it's one of the default avatars,so you mean it's available for download? hell yeah I'd love to mess with it,probably has atlas-ed textures and that'd be a pain to undo

[hardy mural]

Wait so they can just make ur quest useless in a blink of an eye

[sleek sparrow]

yep

[vestal pier]

Hahahaha here come the paragraphs

[kindred nacelle]

no

[slim temple]

ah nevermind I just looked it up,it's one of the default avatars,so you mean it's available for download? hell yeah I'd love to mess with it,probably has atlas-ed textures and that'd be a pain to undo
@hollow blaze it has the absolute BEST textures! They come with layered png!

[sleek sparrow]

you have to log into facebook to use your quest, so while you can circumvent with mods, normally its virtually bricked

[hollow blaze]

oh that's even better,I'll likely even give it emission maps and change it up entirely,I'd be down to show you what I do with it if anything

[slim temple]

v-market.work <- our website

[kindred nacelle]

If your facebook account gets banned, then you can make a new one, but it's possible you then get banned again for ban evasion, meaning you lose your oculus purchases forever

[hollow blaze]

I'll check it out

[hardy mural]

So Facebook and snap your quest away

[slim temple]

just type vketchan into the searchbar.
I hope you join us on December 19th. XD

[kindred nacelle]

not exactly the same as bricking

[sleek sparrow]

thats why i said virtually bricked

[vestal pier]

Vket is that close already?? Woa

[slim temple]

It is the biggest virtual convention in the entire world, after all, and it happens in vrchat. XD

[sleek sparrow]

you can circumvent in a number of ways

[kindred nacelle]

oh damn, vket is already coming up??

[slim temple]

Where have you been?!

[hollow blaze]

hmm so should I get plus or the normal one,they're both free

[hardy mural]

What is vket

[kindred nacelle]

feels like music vket was just yesterday!

[vestal pier]

Working on my booth hahahaha

[slim temple]

hehe. I'm kidding, mostly, I know brainshare with the wider vrchat audience isn't super high yet

but if you want, https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/2089001/ Look mom, I'm on TV!

So is vrchat!

[lucid sandal]

Don’t get the Quest version if you intend on using nsfw stuff. Facebook will ban your entire account and you’ll lose al your games instead of just your VRchat account.

[vestal pier]

Don't do NSFW stuff period lol

[sleek sparrow]

if you can, i encourage you to save up for pc vr

[slim temple]

hmm so should I get plus or the normal one,they're both free
@hollow blaze PLUS

[hardy mural]

lol I saved up to get the quest 2

[sleek sparrow]

rip

[kindred nacelle]

don't tell me what to do

[wooden atlas]

If you have a good computer you should really try doing the wireless streaming using side quest

[slim temple]

What is vket
@hardy mural A gigantic convention that happens in VRChat

[vestal pier]

I'm not, the tos is

[sleek sparrow]

wireless vr is a godsend though

[slim temple]

We're doing one for QUEST as well with TONS of worlds!
I hope you'll join us on Dec 23rd!

[sleek sparrow]

would have never bought vr without it

[wooden atlas]

The only problem I have is that I can't get my damn mic to work

[pallid wraith]

Wireless Index when?

[vestal pier]

Soon apparently?

[sleek sparrow]

oh well i dont have a quest so i cant help you. i use vive cosmos elite with my own usb headset

[vestal pier]

Patents and stuff surrounding it are quite interesting

[pallid wraith]

Also please be an addon to the existing Index

[hollow blaze]

I mean I'm a bit of a mute at times ONLY when on VRChat so I may not talk much and just silently observe in a corner @slim temple but I'd like to know more and join in when it happens,sounds interesting.

[slim temple]

Patents and stuff surrounding it are quite interesting
@vestal pier the fcc won't let me be, and let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down with the quest 3, but if feels so empty, without me.

I mean I'm a bit of a mute at times ONLY when on VRChat so I may not talk much and just silently observe in a corner @slim temple but I'd like to know more and join in when it happens,sounds interesting.
@hollow blaze Oh you'll know when it's happening... XD

[vapid forge]

Man my vrc broke and im upset lol

[sleek sparrow]

yeah if valve makes wireless index, ill buy it. wireless should be standard now

[hollow blaze]

@slim temple in some ways no not really,I usually don't pay much attention to any news surrounding most games I play period nor check any socials or anythin lol

[sleek sparrow]

its sad that its not yet

[wooden atlas]

I'd like to still have wired options so that I can play for more than 3 hours without having to charge shit

[lucid sandal]

Also headsets that work in the dark should be standard as well

[wooden atlas]

Also oops reply to the wrong message my bad

[vapid forge]

Its g

[sleek sparrow]

can quest use batteries outside the headset? i have 2 anker batteries i use for my vive

[vapid forge]

I also have index soo it works lol

[sleek sparrow]

i can get about 8-10 hours of wireless. the only thing stopping me is my controllers die first lol

[slim temple]

@slim temple in some ways no not really,I usually don't pay much attention to any news surrounding most games I play period nor check any socials or anythin lol
@hollow blaze it'll be in yoru world menu, but!

[pallid wraith]

One day I'd really like to do a VRChat lobby with just everyone in full body + knuckle controllers ( with no bullying of how much more physically abled you are compared to me lol )

[hardy mural]

What’s knuckle controllers

[slim temple]

@hollow blaze https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rMDWMRLOhY here's a video I made about the last one if you like, if you're wondering what it's like.
It's like this, except... it's gonna be 5x this.

[sleek sparrow]

when im in karaoke rooms, i like to add a dance routine to my performance. people constantly react like "is that full body!?" and im just like "yup"

[pallid wraith]

controllers that come with the index, they basically let you use all your fingers in a semi-natural way

[sleek sparrow]

someone actually thought i made a really detailed dance emote once

[slim temple]

One day I'd really like to do a VRChat lobby with just everyone in full body + knuckle controllers ( with no bullying of how much more physically abled you are compared to me lol )
@pallid wraith so like every single saturday for the last 2 years

[lucid sandal]

I like to flex my knuckles. I don’t chuckle. I’m the protector of the master emerald

[pallid wraith]

My friend group in VRChat is too small atm to do such a thing myself

[slim temple]

I could give you a world link to one right now, with 60+ fullbody users, most of them with wireless

[hardy mural]

The quest 2 battery life is really bad too like vr chat lasts me at most 3 hours on full charge I can’t imagine quest 1

[sleek sparrow]

damn puttin all us 1%ers in the same room? dangerous

[lucid sandal]

😉

[sleek sparrow]

i probably dropped close to 3k on vr equipment alone

[slim temple]

My friend group in VRChat is too small atm to do such a thing myself
@pallid wraith Oh, and a live dj, who's physically present, and spinning, on a video.

[pallid wraith]

Oh that sounds amazing 😮

[hardy mural]

I don’t even have friends on vrchat or even quest friends

[slim temple]

damn puttin all us 1%ers in the same room? dangerous
@sleek sparrow uhh... isn't that kinda the point?

[hollow ingot]

Wireless + K-kknuckles FBT only?! (Has that one "common" issue with the controller gotten better?)

[sleek sparrow]

what issue?

[slim temple]

Oh that sounds amazing 😮
@pallid wraith This is every single day in vrchat.
https://youtu.be/nMOrdX_Q-Tc?t=2084

[hollow ingot]

Never having the thing, I can't remember what it was... The touchpad?

[slim temple]

vrchatevents.com

[sleek sparrow]

touchpad?

[kindred nacelle]

I never actually looked into the quest worlds, but I assumed that it would be mostly the same stuff

[slim temple]

I never actually looked into the quest worlds, but I assumed that it would be mostly the same stuff
@kindred nacelle they're great for PC too, because they're fast.

IF you like dancing, there's gigantic, massive communities dedicated to clubbing in VRChat and keeping up with it is a full time job

[kindred nacelle]

I'm in quite a few of those

[slim temple]

also like... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7naaxH1gFQo

[kindred nacelle]

So the quest worlds are a thing of their own with their own set of booths?

[slim temple]

So the quest worlds are a thing of their own with their own set of booths?
@kindred nacelle yep, totally seperate

[pallid wraith]

Oh that looks really cool. I should mention, i've only ever met other vrchat people in vrchat directly, never really spoke in this discord much or gone to any events. Probably explains why i'm 99% in the black cat lol

[slim temple]

I love coming to the VRChat general because it still amazes me how many people have no idea how to find what vrchat is all about

Oh that looks really cool. I should mention, i've only ever met other vrchat people in vrchat directly, never really spoke in this discord much or gone to any events. Probably explains why i'm 99% in the black cat lol
@pallid wraith you gotta branch out, there's a whole world out there. Visit the Vket worlds, attend some events!

[slate rock]

[hollow blaze]

Vket worlds by what I seen are huge ad campaigns but they're also just really cool worlds,I'll definitely check it out

[slim temple]

Vket worlds by what I seen are huge ad campaigns but they're also just really cool worlds,I'll definitely check it out
@hollow blaze That's only the corporate world that doesn't exist now

[kindred nacelle]

No corporate world? That was awesome though

[slim temple]

The MAIN point of Vket worlds is to allow the COMMUNITY to build booths .

[hollow blaze]

oh that's sick

[slim temple]

The THEME worlds of every vket STAY, and they're BEAUTIFUL. There's 1100 avatars you've probably never seen before

[kindred nacelle]

And the corporate worlds get taken down?

[vestal pier]

Das me!!

[hollow blaze]

the avatars I have 0 interest,I only like my own and ones I plan to edit and use for myselves,but if it has all the sick attractions and cool stuff that the corporate worlds have then you bet I'll check it out

[slim temple]

And you can pick them up and wear them, they're all pedistals!!
Yes, we can't keep them up, we have contracts with companies like audi for a limited time.

VRChat is one of the most truly incredible inventions of the modern age. It's awe inspiring and freaks me out every day, because the future of this is literally full dive simulation that will be indistinguishable from real life.
It's a natural progression of the technology.
But a lot of people think it's all about meming and chatting in the "hot" worlds... If more people knew about all the things that existed in this game it would be headline news in English too, not just japan

[hollow blaze]

Audi? man I just hope you get it with another car company too maybe BMW lol

[kindred nacelle]

Looking at the fun ways people dress up their booths is totally a reason to go

[slim temple]

the avatars I have 0 interest,I only like my own and ones I plan to edit and use for myselves,but if it has all the sick attractions and cool stuff that the corporate worlds have then you bet I'll check it out
@hollow blaze the avatars are for sale or for free, and everyone one of them can be downloaded from v-market.work or booth

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, this sort of "game" has been around since the 90s, and back then also had corporate events and the like, lets make that clear: vr chat is not a new type of game. just the vr aspect is

[wooden atlas]

Shaderfes is a cool ass world

[slim temple]

the point is to MODIFY them yourself. that's the point. It's not a "pedistal" world. It's literally a booth made by a vrchat player and they're incredible

[hollow blaze]

all things aside this is pretty sick,I'd love to see it,never knew it existed and probably fun to drop by in a check it out

[slim temple]

and there's around 5200 of them

[hardy mural]

I wish I had the knowledge to make my own avatar

[hollow blaze]

all themed? because I plan on visiting any car or horror related ones if that's the case

@hardy mural I can teach you a few cool basic things to make you own or edit ones you find online,I do this stuff all the time for myself

[slim temple]

Here: check this one first, it'll probably give you a fever for more: https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_fb31e36e-c31b-4751-98b8-a705edcaf4a0

[hardy mural]

@hollow blaze well my trash excuse of an laptop wouldnt be able to run anything anyways

[slim temple]

all themed? because I plan on visiting any car or horror related ones if that's the case
@hollow blaze as a matter of fact, there will be one at vket 5! It's called Curiocity!