vrchat-general-2

[coarse grove]

You do you.

[indigo seal]

saved up 500 bucks so far, need 500 more

[obsidian shard]

Index is a big leap if it's your first setup

[strange carbon]

I have the vive and it's amazing, I just h
didn't like the controllers so I got the index ones

[flat briar]

As I understand it, there is a very noticeable difference in clarity between the original vive and the Index

[languid beacon]

One of the lowest. I only recommend it for people who want cheap good fullbody and don’t mind upgrading bit-by-bit later

[obsidian shard]

Just use WMR and suffer through constantly losing tracking 😌

[stark nest]

The valve index is sick but really make sure you have the room for it

[smoky elbow]

Honestly same

[flat briar]

Also, you need to make sure your computer can handle it

[stark nest]

I have a valve index but I cant get full body tracking because my rooms so small the base stations can only really track about my knees and above

Everything else is blind to the base stations because of my bed

[flat briar]

They say a GTX 1070 is recommended but those are really more like guidelines and having something better is a very good idea

[indigo seal]

got enough room, no full body for now, just wanna get the kit

[strange carbon]

I have the 1070 and I never have problems

[stark nest]

Yeah its worth it

[obsidian shard]

The 1070 is the bare minimum - works fine, though.

[coarse grove]

1050 barely works for me ^^
oh, nvm

[flat briar]

For the Index?

[unreal verge]

I've lower specs :(

[stark nest]

I made so many friends in the past few days and so many nice people its amazing id reccomend getting a vr for this game any day its a whole different experience

[amber juniper]

that's what I did, and next week I'll order the Index headset, after that, only need to upgrade my basestations :P

[languid beacon]

OG vive used to be fine, but now that headsets are getting higher resolution, games and menus are getting smaller text and details that are becoming harder to read on a vive.

[obsidian shard]

Honestly my laptop had a 960M in it and ran VR fine for the most part. Just with extremely lowered settings in every game

[smoky elbow]

I have full body with the original headset, honestly my tracking isn't bad at all, but my play space is huge and I have nothing blocking the way. nonetheless I have 3 base stations (including a 2.0) so I've never had to experience lost tracking

[flat briar]

Like, I have a GTX 1070 but I am worried about spending the money for the HMD only to find out that I would have been better off spending that on a Computer upgrade first

[stark nest]

Although I get this one really weird problem for vr chat and idk if its just me but when people put there hand up to a part of my character I feel a really hard tense pressure build where it is on my real body and its really really weird

I asked some people and they said they never felt it so im thinking im crazy

[flat briar]

You have phantom touch

[smoky elbow]

i think that's called phantom touch

[coarse grove]

Phantom touch.

[karmic rose]

1070 is totally fine for VRC.

[obsidian shard]

That'd be Phantom Touch

[unreal verge]

I wonder if i would even have enough space for tracking with base stations at all. My room is very small.

[stark nest]

Phantom what now

[flat briar]

You are one of the lucky few

[coarse grove]

Be happy. It's fun. I wish I had it.

[vocal shard]

ghost feelies

[smoky elbow]

phantom touch, basically when you can feel it irl

[obsidian shard]

Basically your brain says "I see this part of your body is being touched, so therefore I will feel said touch"

[stark nest]

Holy shit

[flat briar]

It means that you can become far more immersed in the game than others can

[unreal verge]

I wish i had it too

[languid beacon]

Phantom touch. It’s pretty well known here. Odd that you don’t like it, most people consider it a gift from god.

[karmic rose]

Phantom touch is psychosomatic nonsense.

[obsidian shard]

It's even more weird if you have an avatar with cat ears - I feel a tingle on my head when people touch my ears. Like brain, no, I don't have those

[stark nest]

Well I dont hate it i love it

[vocal shard]

good

[coarse grove]

god i want it

[stark nest]

But when someone starts fondling in my nono square I gotta dip at mach 3

[broken plover]

It's more like an "I expect to feel something there" instead of "I feel something there". Its not exactly like someone touches it, its like the feeling when you put your finger close to your nose, put don't touch it

[obsidian shard]

lmao

[stark solar]

I only get it when I do VR handtracking stuff. Like Hand Physics Lab on the Quest.

[stark nest]

I have a tiny avatar so people really enjoy just feeling my entire being for some reason

[languid beacon]

I don’t know if you’re a fan of the matrix but... what is real and what is not it does not matter, what only matters is what you experience. I have very strong phantom touch, and I love it. It doesn’t matter that it’s all in my head. I still feel it.

[coarse grove]

Keep telling yourself that. ^^

[flat briar]

I can understand if somebody doesn't like it. Some of the things people do to others in VRChat can be kind of rude and distressing if it were in real life

[obsidian shard]

It's almost like remembering what the sensation of that touch in that area feels like. Like if you run your hand down your arm then stop, you still kinda feel the ghost of that touch afterwards - so phantom touch is similar in that it feels like the memory of that touch.

At least for me, anyways.

[stark nest]

Its fine by me its just a new feeling to me, I got my vr 2 days ago so when I feel someone actually touch me I get surprised but like dangerously relaxed

[unreal verge]

I heard it's possible to learn phantom touch from several people

[karmic rose]

Placebo effect is real too

[stark nest]

Well thats how I got it actually

[obsidian shard]

If you have a reaction to ASMR it can be easier to learn phantom touch, too.

[stark nest]

Some girl said to stay still and than she slowly put her hand on my head and thats when I felt it after like

[unreal verge]

Ye i react to ASMR

[shell bear]

[coarse grove]

That is literally the point of the "phantom" part. Nobody claims it's real, of course it is imaginary.

[stark nest]

Asmr is MY JAM

Bro asmr zeitgeist is a godsend

[obsidian shard]

I vibe hard to Gibi's videos.

[flat briar]

There is a dude who is known for being able to "train" people in developing Phantom Touch

[karmic rose]

Ah yes. The dude who sells crappy hypnotism to idiots who don't want to admit they don't feel shit

[stark nest]

Shes nice but her mics lo fidelity so it bothers me a bit

[coarse grove]

Let people choose what to spend their money on, dude. It's not yours after all.

[languid beacon]

If you get Visual-mirror-touch ASMR from YouTube videos you will probably get phantom touch in vr. The two go hand in hand

[stark nest]

Hey even if its fake I feel it so if it aint real to you its real to me

[obsidian shard]

I'm not saying that you can focus and kind of tune your reactions with phantom touch to the point that you can get a minor pain reaction to, for example, someone slapping you but 👀

[flat briar]

@stark nest That is all that really matters

[unreal verge]

I only react to sounds in ASMR

[obsidian shard]

Things can get weird

[shell bear]

let us be M E R C - i once felt someone touch my butt in VR.

[stark nest]

So lets leave it at that, I respect your opinion but I feel it so in my opinion its real and Id like to hold onto that

[languid beacon]

Yeah that’s what I’m always saying. I’m fully aware it’s not real. I know it’s all in my head. I still feel it, and it feels nice. Nothing else matters.

[karmic rose]

I can feel ghosts touching me at night. So it must be real. Source: trust me

[coarse grove]

Nobody claims it's real, you absolute walnut.

[obsidian shard]

Clearly M E R C hasn't heard of phantom limbs before

[stark nest]

Everybody gangsta til the cat lady starts head patting

[flat briar]

lol

[obsidian shard]

The feeling associated with phantom limbs is similar to phantom touch, albeit more intense.

[karmic rose]

Loosing a physical limb on your body v playing a vr game and "feeling" someone boop u are not the same

[obsidian shard]

And yet the sensation is similar 🤷‍♀️

[karmic rose]

The feeling associated with phantom limbs is similar to phantom touch, albeit more intense.
@obsidian shard talk about making light of those who have actually lost limbs

[flat briar]

On a separate note, I am excited about what is arriving in the mail today. I bought what I need for Full Body Tracking a couple days ago and the rest of it should arrive today.

[coarse grove]

jfc

[obsidian shard]

I didn't make light of anything - I compared the feeling of the two sensations, which is similar.

[coarse grove]

quit trolling, merc, it's obvious

[languid beacon]

ASMR might not be the correct term for it since ASMR is auditory by definition. But there is a very similar visual twist on it that doesn’t really have a common name like ASMR does

[karmic rose]

Yo bro. I know u lost your legs in Afghanistan. I know what that feels like man

[stark nest]

Yeah of course, we just feel it thats all, it doesnt have to be real, hell we can say its not real, but we feel it nonetheless. So yes obviously you cannot feel someone touching you in the literal sense, but to us we can. Im just trying to come to an understanding

[languid beacon]

Stop feeding trolls pls

[stark nest]

I get what your saying though and I understand where your coming from. We all feel things differently

[obsidian shard]

You're literally so mad that some people have phantom touch that you're trying to start an argument that doesn't exist and was never made in the first place. Time to go outside and get some fresh air for once.

[unreal verge]

I wish i had someone who could at least try to help me develop phantom touch

[flat briar]

@obsidian shard lets not go that far. That just adds fuel to a fire that doesn't need to be burning

[golden scaffold]

Let's chill out.

[obsidian shard]

The thing that helped me a lot, Octo, was for awhile actually touching where someone was touching me - IE if someone touched my arm, actually touching my arm. Then in future interactions just thinking about what that felt like.

[flat briar]

exactly

[stark nest]

Chillings my middle name

[stark nest]

Its not my middle name

[obsidian shard]

Eventually I didn't have to think about the feeling of it anymore and it just happened

[stark nest]

People are fascinated with tiny people in vr chat and as resident tiny bro, i’m the happiest little bro to live

[languid beacon]

I wouldn’t stress out about it much. It’s one of those those things that sounds like much more than it really is. It’s a nice feeling but you know it’s not actual physical touch. It’s more of a tingle and you can feel the closeness/heat of them but not actually making contact with you.

[obsidian shard]

☝️ Very very very very similar tingles to ASMR

[flat briar]

It is all about tricking the mind with perception. Some people are just more in tune to the optical/physical interaction of touch

[stark nest]

This guy is on the nose

I dont feel it if i dont see it so im guessing its your brain tricking your body

[flat briar]

I have actually been able to sense something that I did not "see" while in VRChat.

[stark nest]

Really?

[flat briar]

Though it is more of a recognition than whether you saw it or not

[obsidian shard]

There's a world - I wish I could remember the name, but I think you can just search ASMR or Phantom Touch - that has a ton of items you can fiddle with to see how you react. Some make sounds, some are smell/heat, etc. I played around there for awhile when I was trying to see what all I reacted to and if I could hone that reaction.

[languid beacon]

Well one thing with me is I don’t need to see it. If I’m just spotting someone touching my avatar in a mirror, I’ll still feel it on the part of my body I see the reflection being touched.

[flat briar]

your peripheral vision sees a lot more than you realize

[languid beacon]

They could be behind me and I only see them head patting because of the mirror

[coarse grove]

humans have almost 180° of vision by the way

[stark nest]

Oh yeah i feel that too but im saying if you dont see them at all like if there behind you

If theres a mirror I feel it too

[languid beacon]

Yeah if I don’t see them at all, not even in a mirror, I’m not going to feel anything. Because it’s all in my head. It’s not ESP

[stark nest]

I read up on that in a psycology class @coarse grove is def right on that

[obsidian shard]

My bf and I sit in the mirror and he gives me headpats cause the mirror actually helps more than seeing his hand approaching my head/moving around me. Mirrors are weirdly effective.

[stark nest]

Can I add you guys? You guys sound really cool

[flat briar]

@coarse grove not to be confused with what you can focus on. We can "see" that much but we can only see in great detail about 10-20 degrees of that

[languid beacon]

It’s real. Cope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror-touch_synesthesia

[coarse grove]

I don't know about your eyes, but my peripheral vision is almost as sharp as my main one.

[obsidian shard]

Phantom touch is the sole reason I've wavered back and forth about getting a haptic vest, ngl. What if it doesn't live up to the hype? lol

[flat briar]

I was more talking about what you can focus on

[coarse grove]

same name on vrc

[edgy forge]

hi

[flat briar]

like you don't read small text in your peripheral vision, you turn your head and look at it

[coarse grove]

yeah, I somehow can focus on a pretty damn large field ^^
has always bothered me a bit, I don't move my head much

[stark nest]

Yayyy

Im not home atm but when I do ill add you 😄

[coarse grove]

ah, i'm called privateger actually apparently

[flat briar]

On the flip side, I do have glasses and have had them for long enough to have forgotten what 20/20 vision was like

[coarse grove]

same, man

[stark nest]

Hi!

[obsidian shard]

Imagine being able to see for free can't relate

[coarse grove]

i really need new glasses at some point, my lenses are scratched after like four years

[languid beacon]

If you wear glasses you should have better than 2020 vision unless your prescription is off or your eyes are very scratched

[flat briar]

Same boat here

[coarse grove]

It very quickly normalizes, sadly. I'd love for the super sharp vision to persist.

[flat briar]

I believe glasses are only designed to give you back to standard 20/20

[frosty scarab]

Hello

[steel prism]

Ima get vrchat on chromebook

[flat briar]

I do admit that my prescription on my main glasses is old and probably needs to be changed

[obsidian shard]

The super sharp vision you have when first getting new lenses makes me motion sick. Is that weird?

[languid beacon]

You might have a degenerative eye condition where glasses make you see sharper but actually worsen your condition

Minus lenses are bad for you

[stark nest]

[coarse grove]

I do have progressive myopia, but am currently stuck at a solid -4 diopters, so it's okay

[flat briar]

@obsidian shard I found it always makes things look closer which can throw off your balance

[coarse grove]

lenses? i don't know what to call them, I mean the glass part of glasses

[obsidian shard]

Yeah, that too. My school had multiple staircases to the second floor and I fell down them more than once solely because of new glasses. 😐

[coarse grove]

never tried contact lenses myself

[flat briar]

Contacts have gotten better over the years

[obsidian shard]

Although I haven't gotten new glasses in 8-9 years now, so really not looking forward to that now lol

[alpine zenith]

does anyone here know anything about VRChat Plus?

[coarse grove]

yeah, no, my eyes go no no if I bring anything close to them

[flat briar]

also keeping them clean is very important

[obsidian shard]

There's a blog post in the announcements with a ton of info.

[coarse grove]

go to the hellscape that is #vrchat-general-1 if you want to talk about it

[coarse grove]

yeah, I am not good at that :P

[alpine zenith]

oh alright thanks

[obsidian shard]

My glasses constantly end up smudged from my headset/taking my headset on and off. Drives me up a wall that I gotta clean 'em like 50x a day lol

[stark nest]

Also if you go to #announcements theres a website that tells u ab it

[coarse grove]

i found a technique to take off and put on the headset without smudges and I am so glad about it

[languid beacon]

I always requested that only my astigmatism (vertical blur) be fixed by my lenses, and to not treat my nearsightedness at all, otherwise years of wearing glasses would have deteriorated my vision even more

[wild sable]

I’m trying to get into the game does anyone have advice?

[flat briar]

@stark nest My VRChat name is ▶SPEEDY◀

[obsidian shard]

I'm hardcore considering lasik at this point, I think 15+ years of glasses is enough suffering for me.

[flat briar]

not sure how you will get the triangles in there

[coarse grove]

i would be damn near blind without my glasses, so that's sadly not an option for me ^^

[flat briar]

I think those are a relic of earlier versions of VRChat

[stark nest]

Yeah idk either

[coarse grove]

just add using the website

[stark nest]

Maybe you can add me? Do you need the number to add me?

[obsidian shard]

Oh idk if you want to add me - I'm v annoying and abrasive lmao - but if so same name here as it is in-game.

[stark nest]

Whats abrasive

[flat briar]

They can be rough to handle sometimes

[obsidian shard]

I'm a bitch

[stark nest]

Oh

[vocal shard]

its not true lmao

[flat briar]

Can sometimes rub somebody the wrong way either on purpose or by accident

[obsidian shard]

Don't listen to him - it is true lmao

[stark nest]

Ima add you

[vocal shard]

i would know

[obsidian shard]

You would - but you're also inclined to disagree with me because of reasons

[stark nest]

Youve been nice to me so far there isnt a reason I should not add you

[vocal shard]

nahh

[obsidian shard]

Don't lie to the good people, babe.

[vocal shard]

im not lying if its true

[flat briar]

@wild sable So, you want to try VRChat or are you just having troubles loading the game?

[stark nest]

Ok ima add u when I get home

[opaque swallow]

so I heard you lost that Sponsor

[flat briar]

^---?

[obsidian shard]

Step one: find an avatar you like.
Step two: don't spam your mic, music, etc. Just chill and talk to people like you would IRL.
Step three: Find the kind of people you vibe with and make sure to friend them before leaving a world cause it's unlikely you'll see them again if you don't.

[stark nest]

Thx for being nice to me guys ill add all of u later but i got school so ill catch you guys

[flat briar]

see ya

[lone palm]

so where do i go to get VR chat plus early

I wana get it early here so i can grab the early supporter badge permenently

[obsidian shard]

#announcements says where to go for beta stuff

[flat briar]

So, it is currently live for free on the Open Beta client

[lone palm]

ahh ok

[flat briar]

I forget how to get the beta client....

I think I already checked that mark for the beta a long time ago...

[lone palm]

thank you

[flat briar]

never did get a response back from @wild sable . I hope they were able to find answers to their questions.

[main lotus]

I would like to throw out a suggestion to allow gifting of VRC+ to other users further down the line, much like how you can gift a sub.

[coarse grove]

let's not do that

[lone palm]

i have a question, so If i do the beta here, get the early participation thing, then at any point drop VRC+, would i keep the emblem? or would i lose that

[flat briar]

So, you get the early participation most likely only after paying for it

[prisma plover]

Next step: Charging a fee for each avatar upload. 😎

[flat briar]

since it is free right now, you probably will not get it right now

They would not do that. It would kill the game

[coarse grove]

that would be straight up suicide ^^

[vocal shard]

isnt that the opposite direction they're going for as far as monetization?

[honest glacier]

Allegedly the devs have already stated that won't happen

[golden scaffold]

We're working on this ASAP! For now, you can use a Steam Gift Card option as an alternative.

[wild sable]

I’m new to it but I don’t really know what to do in the game so I’m stuck not knowing how to interact with others

[coarse grove]

oh god, I can already hear underage players begging for vrc+

[vocal shard]

vr bucks

[prisma plover]

Beggars like on RuneScape lmao

[lone palm]

@golden scaffold since your here, I recommend something you guys at the VRC team do is take those who are paying for VRC+ into a more open consideration of options, as it will help the community side of things alot with getting suggestions heard that have been around for a long time

[prisma plover]

"Need money plz"

[tawdry kindle]

free armour trimming

[vocal shard]

buying gf

[coarse grove]

"will double vrc+"

[lone palm]

like on forums i mean, possibly adding that if you have a VRC account linked to the steam, that you get the emblem on the forum as well

[golden scaffold]

I'm in no position to make those decisions - but we're happy to hear out our the entire community, whether you sub or not. I think the emblem thing is an interesting idea, but it's a slippery slope so we don't devalue people's opinions either.

[obsidian shard]

You could find a chill-out room like Room with the Rain or Midnight Rooftop and just vibe with a mirror gang for some chill discussion, or you could go somewhere more interactive like Among Us or Freeze Tag and play a couple rounds with people. I've added I don't even know how many full lobbies worth of people from games alone, so it's a cool way to connect with people. Honestly it's a lot like talking to people IRL in that sometimes you gotta just include yourself and if you don't click with people from doing that, move along and see if you find someone else to click with.

[languid beacon]

I’m pretty sure the little early supporter thing you get in beta is not permanent. You’ll probably need to actually pay for VRC+ when it comes to live to actually get it for real.

[golden scaffold]

Correct. The one from Open Beta is only for testing purposes.

[lone palm]

ahhh, ok so i thought if we did open beta, then payed in non beta, we would keep the open beta emblem as well as the one we get

[wild sable]

Okay cool thanks

[smoky elbow]

theres a lot of different discord servers for vrchat as well, you could try to find one to your liking and join, I know a lot of them have different events

[golden scaffold]

Currently, everyone has the Badge on Open Beta since you can't pay. When we actually push VRC+ to live, you'll be able to sub and you'll earn the badge from it.

[lone palm]

yea i know that, but my question is if you did not participate in the open beta, do you get a different badge then those who did, because that's how it was kinda worded

Supporter Badge — Show off your status as a VRChat+ Supporter with a badge on your profile.
Early Supporter Badge — Get in on VRChat+ early, and your badge will permanently upgrade to an “Early Supporter” version. Time to flex!

this specific part

[languid beacon]

I haven’t heard anything about a beta exclusive badge. Just a separate badge for people who started VRC+ from the beginning

[golden scaffold]

Adeon's correct, no Beta-exclusive badge.

[lone palm]

ok, so then my question is, if you drop it when you started from the begining, like don't renew, do you LOSE that early supporter badge

or when you resume do you get it back

[golden scaffold]

Once you've earned the Early Supporter Badge on Live, it's yours to keep - even if you unsub.

[lone palm]

ok cool.

so basically to get it, just pay the first month it comes out, def gonna do that

[brisk bone]

If you buy additional 1-Year subscriptions will they be able to be identified as additive?

[hollow moon]

like to dislike ratio on the VRChat plus vid defiantly says something lmao

[crimson apex]

I'm completely fine with the subscription service but why is boosted trust being advertised or even a thing?

[lone palm]

on the topic of the new nameplates, will we be able to do photos and stuff as non vrc+, or what will that spot be filled in with if we don't have it also yea patchy right

[prisma plover]

Cause money buys your way in life.

[obsidian shard]

I doubt it'll be a significant boost.

[lone palm]

if they are gonna boost trust, they should add a playerside option to ignore trust boosts

[golden scaffold]

It's a small boost that is essentially irrelevant if you've played VRChat for longer than a month.

[prisma plover]

Ignore Rich Bastards option 😎

[crimson apex]

If we are getting a badge system too I'd like if a system for content creators where you would get badges and thank you for explaining

[lone palm]

spark, im guessing the view is "if a player is spending money they more than likely won't wana get banned"

[crimson apex]

I'm doubtful that they wouldn't get banned

[golden scaffold]

For Feature Requests, please make sure to toss them in our Canny!

[lone palm]

also spark, what goes in the picture slot on the new nameplates if your not VRC+

[languid beacon]

Name tag colors are gone, so it doesn’t matter much

[golden scaffold]

Nothing. There is no circle slot if you don't have VRC+

[lone palm]

ahhh ok

[crimson apex]

Yeah, I really like the new nameplates

I'm gonna miss the old ones tho

[obsidian shard]

No more pretty colors 😢

[lone palm]

i mean the trust system is still there correct?

[prisma plover]

VRC could sell technical support too. You don't pay, you don't get support. 😎

[languid beacon]

I like the new design much better it looks slick

[lone palm]

VRC could sell technical support too. You don't pay, you don't get support. 😎
@prisma plover perish

[golden scaffold]

Trust is still there, yeah, although we don't outwardly show it on nameplates anymore.

[toxic pasture]

Trust system is sill there, itll be ontop of the nametag

[obsidian shard]

It looks much cleaner, for sure, I'm just gonna miss the colors lol

[languid beacon]

You can still see the colors if you open the quick menu. You can disable that too, if really want to be blind to rank

[prisma plover]

VRC could also lock VRC under a time limit if you don't pay. 😎

[toxic pasture]

Lol

[lone palm]

@prisma plover your asking to be beat up by the massess aren't you

[obsidian shard]

There's always gotta be that one guy that's like "Well if they're gonna monetize X, here's all my troll suggestions for monitizing everything else" 🙄

[toxic pasture]

U mean dynamic bones

[prisma plover]

Nah just giving them ideas since they seem to be in need of money. 😎

[lone palm]

I mean they've been doing it for free for how long GB

[crimson apex]

I'm glad I can support the devs now

[prisma plover]

They ran for that long because of a 10 million investment from HTC.

[lone palm]

I don't think they are in need of money, I think they want to be able to focus more on the improvement of VRC, and with this it will allow them to spend more time on the game

[crimson apex]

Yep able to hire more people and upgrade servers too

[lone palm]

server upgrades specifically for the KMART map

[toxic pasture]

Lmaoo true

[prisma plover]

Isn't VRC content hosted on Amazon AWS ?

[lone palm]

;-; meanie bot

[polar jasper]

@golden scaffold I asked the question in Open Beta, but will there be any indicator on the new nameplates for muted you/you've muted?

[prisma plover]

Yeah not cool, bot.

[lone palm]

probably phaxe, i find it hard to believe they'd remove that

[polar jasper]

You'd guess so, but things have happened before.

[obsidian shard]

I wouldn't be surprised if the icons are significantly smaller to match the cleaner design

[mighty nest]

Monetizing rhetoric used in the announcement is different than a "support us with donations" vibe. Feel free to support us by buying our product yay

[prisma plover]

A one time fee would be nice.

[crimson apex]

I think it'll be fine, while there is cause for concern I don't think anything will happen

[ruby needle]

@prisma plover Doesnt pay for continous server/developer costs tho.

[obsidian shard]

It astounds me that people are mad about an optional subscription that changes nothing for free users except for actually giving you more stuff because with the VRC+ free users are getting extra stuff too 🤦‍♀️

[polar jasper]

$0.49 for one icon upload. (permanent)

[languid beacon]

Ironically some people seem upset that the monitization is so harmless - I think some people were actually hoping for it to cause outrage and this was too tame for them.

[golden scaffold]

uh, I'll have to get back to you on that one but yeah, probably. I don't see any reason not to

[prisma plover]

Not mad about the optional subscription. Worried about what they are going to charge in the future, certainly.

[mighty nest]

Gotta complain for the future

[prisma plover]

No complaint was sent.

[obsidian shard]

Gotta complain for a theoretical future that doesn't exist

[crimson apex]

I don't think it will happen, it would ruin the concept of the game in a way

[prisma plover]

Sarcasm was used. 😎

[languid beacon]

I want a perk to not hear bad ideas for VRC+

[obsidian shard]

This

[prisma plover]

Stupidity filter plus. lmao

[vocal shard]

i wonder if there could be a little color tab on the bottom right of the nameplate that would indicate rank

[winged epoch]

Don’t buy it innit

[languid beacon]

How mad do you think everyone would get if they got fake lootboxes or something on April 1

[crimson apex]

I think this subscription is a way that VrChat could outshine other companies with a subscription service as well. Maybe do it better and put everyone's doubts to rest cause honestly we don't know all of the features yet

[prisma plover]

Hence why I fear that the thing will not sell, and they will find an "other way" to make cash.

[jovial kestrel]

The features are icing on top for people who just want to support the devs.

[silk vale]

hopefully global dynamic bones will be a feature

[winged epoch]

I’d be on the fence if the price was less

[golden scaffold]

Nope, we deliberately decided to move forward with no Trust Ranks on nameplates.

[mighty nest]

"other way" is to make more VRC+ only features to justify the $10 cost 🤔

[vocal shard]

i will miss the colours of nameplates

[winged epoch]

👎

[golden scaffold]

That's the plan!

[crimson apex]

I'm glad about that actually as a feature, got tired of people discriminating over colors

[silk vale]

yeah the colored nameplates were nice

[obsidian shard]

Guys they literally just announced VRC+, I doubt this is all they have in store for us lol

[prisma plover]

We'll see what they have planned. Hopefully they have neat ideas.

[dusk tartan]

VRC+ is dumb, fuck the devs honestly. Vive already gave you 10 millions $ last year and you did nothing with but breaking the game. I have 2500 hours in this game, I will now leave this shit cause fuck the devs

[obsidian shard]

K bye 👋

[languid beacon]

Thank you for removing them from default view honestly. It was decisive, even if people didn’t say anything about it, people did talk to you differently

[winged epoch]

ok bye

[crimson apex]

Bye

[golden scaffold]

Remember, the video also shows Photo Invites and UI Skins coming to VRChat Plus. In addition to that, we've got more stuff coming.

[dusk tartan]

Bye, appreciate your time in this shitty ass game

[prisma plover]

It's... not nice to spit on the team that programmed the platform that you used for 2500 hours... just saying.

[crimson apex]

Yeah I'm really excited and yeah I will enjoy the game

[vocal shard]

cya lol

[obsidian shard]

Someone so bigmad about an optional subscription

[pine star]

I thought you could try the VRC+ now, at least the beta I mean

[golden scaffold]

Yup, you can!

[vocal shard]

Is there an ETA on when it will be public?

[silk vale]

i will pay 100 as soon as it comes out, hopefully there's a paypal option

[obsidian shard]

I might have to jump on the beta train for a bit and play with the new stuff

[golden scaffold]

No ETA quite yet.

[dusk tartan]

People create mods, people get banned for it. Devs steal the ideas, make them a paid opinion, sure, stop

[crimson apex]

I do have one question though, if I buy it on one platform like steam will it go over to all my other platforms?

[languid beacon]

From what I understand you pay via steam so anything steam accepts

[fallow patrol]

9.99 a month, yikes

[silk vale]

ok steam is fine too, they accept paypal anyways

[vocal shard]

Alright thanks, pleasantly waiting for the release 🙂

[obsidian shard]

You mean people
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Violate the ToS they agreed to when they started playing and get banned for it.

Sucks to suck for them, I guess.

[golden scaffold]

Can't be animated, can't break TOS.

[dusk tartan]

Lmao the devs are literally all modders, they break their own rules

[crimson apex]

I'm really interested but I'd want my stuff to transfer over everything I play on cause I use all platforms

[winged epoch]

Do you enjoy playing with almost no QOL features

[vocal shard]

hmm well if not trust rank maybe a creator rank that lets people know that you make content, and what about nuisance rank how will that be displayed

[vale palm]

Thats honestly a retarded thing to say Sloth, They havent enforced client usage in ages, maybe the super toxic ones. I had ppl reluctantly jump on the client train because everyone else was using em and nobody got banned for it

[prisma plover]

Idea: maybe the team could offer some exclusive shaders or models each month with a plus subscription 🤔

[golden scaffold]

https://hello.vrchat.com/legal

[vocal shard]

The trust rank is still there its just not on your nameplates..

[sick rock]

Unless the game gets better optimization in general and for framerate I'm not getting VRchat+

[faint skiff]

The game is optimised, what isn't optimised are people's terrible avatars.

[worthy oracle]

vrc+ is just for support rlly

[obsidian shard]

People defending client/mod use are honestly laughable. Same people that defend using cheats in games that require skill to be good at, no doubt.

[craggy portal]

hey

[prisma plover]

Buy VRChat+, you get better framerate 😆

[crimson apex]

Is each platform separate with my account or does my subscription go for all of them when I pay on one platform? Also sorry about this just wanted to ask since I play on all platforms

[winged epoch]

Obviously you haven’t tried them so why are you talking?

[jagged moth]

what about the avatars that will only display for vrchat plus people? is that false or it really going to happen?

[obsidian shard]

Yeah, I haven't tried them - cause I don't need to cheat and violate a games ToS to try and be cool lmao

[vale palm]

@crimson apex good question, @golden scaffold what about if you have 2 VRChat accounts, will it cross over since its the same steam account its launched from or not

[prisma plover]

That'd be kinda bad. Isolating a major part of your community from other people.

[obsidian shard]

Those are avatars people made to troll others

[crimson apex]

I don't think it would go between two accounts

[vale palm]

Idk, if you pay via Steam, how will steam know which account its supposed to go on

[winged epoch]

That’s such a backwards way of looking at it. People still work hard to provide free QOL content to people through the mods. Not everyone cares about gaining some sort of “advantage” from them geez

[silk vale]

if the creators get payed for vrchat plus only wolrds and avatars, then it's fine.

[vocal shard]

I'm disappointed

[prisma plover]

They could make an avatar marketplace. Devs get money, creator gets a % of sales. 🤔

[vale palm]

nope

[prisma plover]

That would encourage content creation at least.

[chrome cobalt]

you can sell your reproductive "material" for vrc+

[golden scaffold]

Yes, it should cross over as long as your accounts are merged.

[fallow patrol]

i hope this is late april fools

[vale palm]

@golden scaffold will the VRC+ be on your steam account or on your VRC account? Asking cause I do have an alt.

[subtle stratus]

Make an only fans and sell yourself for vrchat + get productive

[crimson apex]

Thank you spark and yep all my stuff is merged

[golden scaffold]

It'll be on your VRChat account. We'll do our best to clarify this stuff closer to release so you're aware before you have to decide on a purchase.

[vale palm]

Alright, thank you Spark-kun

the same that happens on Discord prob. You lose everything!

[rapid pawn]

Holy this server hasn't been this bad since they announced quest compatibility

[prisma plover]

Or they could just keep charging you until you contact them to cancel your subscription. 😎

[craggy portal]

why are people so pissed about vrchat plus

[prisma plover]

Actually pretty amused by it tbh.

[timid cairn]

I see both sides of the server

[craggy portal]

ok

[vale palm]

I see all 3 sides, beat me.

[fickle willow]

I see 0

[craggy portal]

its like discord with discord nitro

[prisma plover]

I see all 6 sides. Cause it's probably on a rectangular server rack.

[fierce briar]

4th dimension smells like vanilla

[coarse grove]

man, 99% of avatars are already illegally downloaded copyrighted material
there is no way this would fly ^^

[fickle willow]

Tru

[craggy portal]

quest vr chat is kinda meh

[vocal shard]

They shouldn't try to sell things for a game that's basically still in beta, it massively reduces trust in the community, especially when we don't see where the money is going. Like where are all the features that frickin Neos has?? A game with much less budget and practically no investment.

[craggy portal]

i gotta sign in everytime

[vocal shard]

Same

[ivory frost]

VRchat has to do something. This is a pretty acceptable way to monetize. The price seems steep though.

[craggy portal]

i wish it would let me stay signed in

[vocal shard]

Is the monetisation worth it for them?

[idle elm]

Do you use a VPN that keeps changing your IP address @craggy portal ?

[craggy portal]

no

[idle elm]

Strange

[craggy portal]

i just dont get on it for a while

[prisma plover]

They might need to balance the price depending on the number of subscriptions. If it doesn't sell, lower your price or offer more features.

[ivory frost]

Why wouldn't it be Vaporweave?

[obsidian shard]

I don't use Quest, so idk, but there might be a setting for that?

[coarse grove]

ah, nvm, can't read

[craggy portal]

i hope

[fierce briar]

Puts over 1000 hours into a game
Spends over $800 on fullbody VR

"$10 a month?! Akshdhdhajfhdksgdg". -VRC Chad.

[craggy portal]

lo

[lone palm]

y e pretty much altra

[vocal shard]

Well I suppose it doesn't actually hurt them to do this, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like they aren't listening to thee community

[craggy portal]

omg that pfp

[prisma plover]

Problem is that it's 10$ a month... for really not much features.

[ivory frost]

They don't owe anybody a game.

[craggy portal]

its free

[lone palm]

guys it's no different then subbing for an MMO monthly

[flat briar]

@jagged moth People made those avatars. People are being trolls. There is no such thing.

[craggy portal]

yeah

[lone palm]

and @prisma plover they are adding in more stuff down the line, this isn't the end all be all

[prisma plover]

A MMORPG offers tremendiously more features than what VRC+ are offering there.

[ivory frost]

Nor do they have to jump for free users .

[vocal shard]

It absolutely is

[ruby needle]

It's even better then an MMORPG, it's fully optional and not even reqiured to play the game and use all the nice things.

[craggy portal]

but i play no mmos so i dont know what it feels like

[deft girder]

There's been a lot of people asking for something like this to be able to support the devs even if they don't get any features back for a long time now

[fierce briar]

I'll gladly support with $10 a month considering how much time I spend in VRC. I'm not gonna do VRC Plus for its features.

[ivory frost]

The game is the most popular multiplayer game on Steam

[flat briar]

@deft girder Exactly

[orchid raptor]

So when is enrollment for VRChat+ officially supposed to release? It seems it's more or less going to be like Discord Nitro-- ChilloutVR does the same thing essentially.

[chrome cobalt]

@ivory frost good joke

[vocal shard]

who put a furry on the vrchat plus trailer

[fierce briar]

Def ron

[golden scaffold]

We don't have an announced date for live quite yet.

[winged epoch]

I’m getting much more for what I paid for there?

[ivory frost]

By concurrent users it is consistently number 1

[deft girder]

What numbers are you looking at? 😅

[chrome cobalt]

@ivory frost https://store.steampowered.com/stats/

[vocal shard]

1 concurrent player

[ivory frost]

The wall in my home room. The articles Google throws at me

[chrome cobalt]

you are dense vrc simp bud

[flat briar]

I am going to put this out there for those who have seen them and don't understand it is people trolling. If you see a Avatar that says you need to have VRC+ to see it then you are actually looking at the avatar. There is no such thing as a VRC+ only avatar.

[ivory frost]

Recently hit 24k at once

[orchid raptor]

We don't have an announced date for live quite yet.
@golden scaffold Thank you; I'll keep my eyes open for the announcements, then.

[magic hill]

I'd say, starting that big is a bit too much for these features, Better to go very easy, then get a bit bigger with the newer features is a good idea.
Also, monthly isn't a nice plan for that price.

[ivory frost]

That's a lot of people to keep happy for free.

[deft girder]

Did you look at the chart? CSGO has 1 million CCU right now.

[fierce briar]

Funny meme. I was having an arguement about one of the other VR social game's developers. While in VRC. Cool your game may be superior, but your 3 years late to the party.

[chrome cobalt]

@ivory frost csgo has over 900k players currently

[winged epoch]

I think they’re banking on the idea that a lot of people will pay no matter what the price is

[chrome cobalt]

and its free

[golden scaffold]

Totally fair feedback. We're excited to get the other stuff out as soon as we can as well, starting off with Photo Invites and UI Skins.

[flat briar]

Not fair to compare VRChat and CS:GO

[winged epoch]

And thank them for it anyways

[ivory frost]

Good for csgo. Can you go be a lewd Anime in CSGO?

[prisma plover]

Farming Simulator has 30k players at the moment. People do like farming I guess. 🤔

[ivory frost]

And hows the fullbody in CSGO?

[winged epoch]

Can you explain what photo invites is ?

[magic hill]

You could make it free, but with a couple of ads. (non annoying ones pls)? x)

[prisma plover]

Ingame billboards and ads while loading I guess ?

[vocal shard]

Its in the top 100 most played at least

[fierce briar]

Oh god no ads

[flat briar]

Comparing VRChat and CS:GO is like comparing apples to oranges.

[ivory frost]

Considering the number if VR users, I think your making a moot point. VRChat is massive. Take your entitled butt to CSGo.. you won't be missed

[lone palm]

Here is the end all be all, VRchat is FREE, it will almost certainly always BE FREE, this new thing? is simply a way to get more features and support your favorite game

[fierce briar]

Yep

[flat briar]

Exactly

[chrome cobalt]

you made a baseless argument on ALL multiplayer games

[lone palm]

they aren't taking away anything from free players, they are adding in a couple of things for paying ones, so there is no negative things going on here

[deft girder]

You were just talking about overall CCU above without saying anything about VR only users?

[ivory frost]

VR hat doesn't owe anyone a game. This is a way to volunteer support and get new features as a thank you. Nothing to cry about

[thick thicket]

For my friends and I, we're in a "wait and see" mentality. It's not about the perks really but about if this will improve the core experience enough and what unintended consequences it causes.

It opens things up to a lot of negative things other companies have done. If we're bombarded with "Sign up for +" all over the place, can't get into worlds because you're not +, or anything that divides the community is something to worry about and is now a possibility.

[vocal shard]

I just hope this doesn't get worse

[ivory frost]

Except a bunch of broke people upset because they fear a VRC plus will be a must have flex...smh

[orchid raptor]

I more-or-less just want to support the Devs. As a video game programmer and reverse-engineer of game engines I have closing in on 3,500+ hours in VRChat with over 170~ avatars. The extra features are just an added bonus to me at this point. I personally think $4.99/month would have been a better price point, though.

The game helped me through a suicidal time of my life after my ex-fiancè who I was with for 7~ years cheated on me and shut me out. I've met a lot of good people and the game means a lot to me at this point.

[chrome cobalt]

They are only doing this because they cant have people pay to play vrc because they would be legally run into the ground

[keen moss]

hi

[flat briar]

I seriously doubt that will happen @thick thicket

[prisma plover]

I wonder how much it costs to run VRC per month.

[lone palm]

For my friends and I, we're in a "wait and see" mentality. It's not about the perks really but about if this will improve the core experience enough and what unintended consequences it causes.

It opens things up to a lot of negative things other companies have done. If we're bombarded with "Sign up for +" all over the place, can't get into worlds because you're not +, or anything that divides the community is something to worry about and is now a possibility.
@thick thicket @golden scaffold can your rest concerns here

[delicate dagger]

lmaooo 10 dollars a month

[ivory frost]

They can't charge for the game because it would kill the user base and milk the content and milk the point

[obsidian shard]

Eh, I mean they could introduce a fee to acquire the game - grandfathering in the free users - without issue. Seen that happen plenty - but yeah adding a subscription to access the game at any point could be problematic.

[prisma plover]

10 dollars a month is the equivalent to PS Plus right ? Didn't they give pretty much free games every month ?

[north willow]

Trollface gaming

[lone palm]

@ivory frost another reason they can't charge is because VRC itself makes only 1/10 of the content, VRC is and always will be a community driven game

[flat briar]

@obsidian shard pretty sure they can not

[ivory frost]

A one time fee doesn't cover full-time servers

[chrome cobalt]

@obsidian shard they cant because we can upload copyrighted and stolen assets

[delicate dagger]

10$ month for a badge and some more favourites

[obsidian shard]

Oh, right right right - derp. Forgot about all the music and game avatars 😬

[delicate dagger]

amazing service

[ivory frost]

You download a client but the majority of VRC is cloud based. That takes serious cash to keep alive

[flat briar]

It would open them up to lawsuits if they made the game anything other than free for people to play

[hasty niche]

I'd be annoyed if they were locking features behind it but... honestly it's jmore less favourite avatars and a shiny new badge and trust level boost which you will probably hide anyway because being a trusted user is a joke. Eh i see no problem with it.

[prisma plover]

I mean, you pay Amazon a couple thousands a month I guess and all good ? (not really)

[lone palm]

@delicate dagger that isn't the main intention here, everyone just shush and realize that the point of VRC+ is not extra content, it's a way to support the game devs, none of this is mandetory, no content will be gatekept, this is all just to support a group you like

[ivory frost]

People have lived with 16 favorites for forever. Now they get 25 for free and 100 for a premium. That's nothing to complain about. It was over due.

[flat briar]

Since they would basically be profiting off of the worlds that people create for the game

[north willow]

Trollface gaming

[delicate dagger]

not allowed to complain

[winged epoch]

Trollface gaming

[vocal shard]

Will that little cat be on the vrchat menu forever?

[lone palm]

you can complain, just do it in a way that makes sense such as "i don't like that this feature is limited like this", such as perhaps the pictures next to the names

[fathom mortar]

VRChat is still the same. Your friends that make the game special are still staying. This will not affect the way you have played the game. As long as the devs never add an "Advantage" to paying players there will never be anything to worry about. As others have said. Wait and see and stop thinking this is the end of the game. End of story.

[lone palm]

@vocal shard if you purchase VRC+ for the first month you get him up by your name

[flat briar]

@ivory frost Exactly. That is how I see it too. For a long time people have wanted a way to support the devs but haven't really had a way to. VRC+ provides that.

[prisma plover]

I wonder if there will be free player bullies. Lol.

[cedar valve]

Does anyone know what the soundtrack is called on that VRChat Plus video?

[idle elm]

This ghost knows what's up.

[ivory frost]

People fail to consider all of the copyright infringement in this game. This is a way to monetize out if necessity without VRC being forced to censor hard core.

[flat briar]

There will always be bullies wherever you go. This doesn't add nor subtract them.

[prisma plover]

Imagine if VRC enforced copyright laws. Game would be dead.

[ivory frost]

You are paying for features that have nothing to do with the content people create

[vocal shard]

@lone palm I mean the one on my Menu

[pine star]

I have a quick question about the whole VRC+, well two. Tge first being is there any specific requirements needed to obtain the early acess badge, or do you just log in to the open beta and get it? Second when purchasing VRC+ and getting the trust increase, is your trust level only increases for the amount of time you have VRC+, or is it permanent?

[ivory frost]

So no one has a case against VRC. They could fight for a take down but they can't drain the bank account.

[winged epoch]

What is a “photo invite” that they keep partial teasing ??

[lone palm]

no he will leave i believe

[frail zephyr]

the bigger company's will not let them have there stuff in vrc and law will not protect them donations would be more safe

[flat briar]

@pine star So, the answer to the first is that the Open Beta will not get you anything special. Only getting VRC+ within some time period after it launches will do that. The second question I am curious about as well.

[delicate dagger]

so they couldn't just have an optional one time donation option if people wanted to support it, but not want a reoccurring subscription? also its kinda ehhh that a game that heavily relies on its community is now asking for more from them in terms of real life cash. If you want my non-joking opinion i think its fine, but I'm more so worried about how the devs are treating it, especially with the increased trust for money.

[pine star]

@flat briar thank you for the clarification!

[obsidian shard]

If you just want to give them money one time and not have a recurring subscription, then subscribe and cancel afterwards.

[lone palm]

no, VRC couldn't get sued because of fair use, VRC themselves never added the character in, it was the players choice to do so, as long as it's not an officialy endorsed avatar by VRC they can't get in trouble

[winged epoch]

Much of it is very questionable yes, that’s why people are debating here for 12+ hours

[frail zephyr]

thats what you think

[obsidian shard]

Eh you'd think that, Cool - but the DMCA stuff on Twitch says otherwise about use and such

Also Nintendo is notorious for being very aggressive about their properties - they'd crack down in a SECOND

[lone palm]

nintendo would get backlash, the companies have to think about the repurcusions of their suits, and even then VRC wouldn't be the ones nintendo could go after, at least in my brain, i aint no legal autorny

[fathom mortar]

See the key thing here is. You don't HAVE to pay for it. You can still play the game normally. Just because somebody decides to support the game does not mean they are playing a different game.

[native cradle]

hmm if the devs actually help maintain the game it could be alright

[obsidian shard]

Yeah, no, Cool. Nintendo often takes down youtube videos that feature their games, even if they're not monetized. They don't care about how much backlash they get from doing it, either, they've been doing it for years. When it was first announced that they'd start doing it hardcore people went ballistic and it still hasn't stopped them years later. They issued a C&D to a gaming tournament just the other day because the group running it used Nintendo characters to promote it (it was a Smash Bros tournament, from what I know).

Nintendo is relentless, they give exactly zero fucks about backlash.

[flat briar]

The name of that gif 😬

[native cradle]

when

[obsidian shard]

Much like Disney, actually.

[stone plume]

why is it that when i go in some worlds and press e i have an outer body experience in desktop

[flat briar]

No idea and not sure what you mean....

[delicate dagger]

I understand that server costs are a thing, its just if they are going to the extent of making a unique subscription service with its own stuff, it should at least be worth 10 dollars a month to the average user, because from the responses i am seeing, it doesn't really seem like that. Unless they are worried about locking too much cool stuff behind a paywall, in which case they should probably ditch the service and just go with one time donations.

[jovial kestrel]

This is also not the full range of features VRC+ will be receiving. It has more things planned.

[obsidian shard]

I can only assume the thing you mean is when you start to walk you're in front of your camera? I have that in VR on occasion, I just let the world load fully before moving, especially in busy lobbies or particularly laggy worlds.

[thorny aspen]

How about give me diffrent features like better fps bigger cahce sizes, individual volumes cause alot people are to loud but i dont want to turn my friends volumes down. I could care less about favorite avatars i rather have the game run better then it is now i crash every 2 worlds just loading how has that not been fixed?

[broken plover]

if there was a way to give players better fps, they wouldnt lock it behind a paywall...

[urban kite]

Would be cool to get tiers of support, more people would probably support if theycould povk between 2.5, 5 and 10$, with different amount of perks.
I would definitely pay if i could have more custom avatar slots for testing

[obsidian shard]

Idk about individual player volumes - seems like a lot of data to store, but volume per rank would be nice. Just turn those visitors way way down 😌

[strange carbon]

it'd be cool if it was a onetime payment to get more Avatar slots

[urban kite]

It’s funny how people complain about boost to the trust level as if it’s some sort of level that gives you advantage over other „players”

[thorny aspen]

Not saying for paywall im saying will this make it so they will get off there asses and fix shit if they have money

[native cradle]

🤣

[obsidian shard]

Although I assume any volume that isn't global would require checking every couple ticks for recent new joins in the world, which could cause more lag...

[strange carbon]

like 20 dollars to get 100 and you can pay to have more emojis or skins for your menu. Not sure why it has to be a subscription

[native cradle]

just pay for fps its simple guys

[urban kite]

They probably saw that people pay 10$ for nitro and that there will be people to pay for vrc plus

[prisma plover]

I like the basic Nitro. It's fair priced imo. The more expensive nitro tho... eh...

[obsidian shard]

Most subscription services these days are in the $10-20 range so they probably went that low for that reason. Also because given that the features announced are not the sole features, it's likely the best option for them to set it there.

[flat briar]

You have to factor in that there are continued server costs

[strange carbon]

oh im definitely buying it just to support them but I would love to see more perks

[frail zephyr]

ill pay for it once they start doing what the people want not themselves

[thorny aspen]

Iv played for over 3 years and last 2 years havnt seen any real improvment to the game its self except 3.0 but even that broke alot of things

[strange carbon]

avatars are still broken after 3.0

[delicate dagger]

I want to see proof of consistent improvements for everybody before I even consider subscribing.

[urban kite]

I will pay only to have moral roghts to complain about all the things they break with updates lol

[strange carbon]

idk what's up with the glitch where your head bobs backwards when you walk or the weird thing in vr when you're prone and your hands are in the wrong spot

[umbral reef]

Your not being forced to subscribe so thats totally fine to do.

[thorny aspen]

Just means he would support if he seen things being fixed

[flat briar]

@strange carbon that is a avatar issue and not a game issue

[strange carbon]

but why did it happen to every Avatar I use after the 3.0 update

[vocal shard]

I literally just put that in feature request lol

[strange carbon]

it's not just me all my friends have it too

[urban kite]

Nice

[thick thicket]

I want to see a lot more improvements to the core gameplay more than I want perks for Plus subscribers. The most important improvements being performance and security. My friends complain about the game only using a single core and I have friends who can't go into public worlds due to crashers and the like.

[frail zephyr]

nah the game uses 3 at most

[thorny aspen]

I have 16 cores and cant use em all i agree on that

[urban kite]

I use all of my cores i have no idea what you are talking about

[obsidian shard]

It's more an issue with the sit vs. being in VR.

I've found that if my height/floor aren't set properly, I get the head snapping issue. As for the hands, you're in VR - your hands are where your hands are but within the confines of your crawling animation. Same as when you use a regular sit in VR - just puts your hands where it can within the limit of where they should be relative to the sit. So overall it's an avatar issue.

[urban kite]

I jave one core

[thorny aspen]

It shows its using them all but its actually only using 2. To 1

[ripe galleon]

🐟 can we all get some funky fish emoji in here? I require a funky fish emoji 🙂

[frail zephyr]

only when loading they use 3 2 for when avatars are loading then 1 for the rest of it

what i want to see is something better then dynamic bones

[flat briar]

That is a limitation of Unity and blender in general...

[obsidian shard]

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a Unity thing - not something the devs could influence per-se

[strange carbon]

Devs should make their own engine lol

[thick thicket]

I use the core issue as an example that there can still be a lot of performance improvements on the developer end of things and not just "It sucks because of people's avatars". Not saying that isn't an issue but there is other things that can be done too.

If the performance and security are improved and we don't see any of the payment model pitfalls we've seen in other companies, then I'd have no problem with VRC+

[obsidian shard]

do you know how hard it is to make a game engine

[strange carbon]

that was a joke, please don't lynch me

[flat briar]

lol

[obsidian shard]

extinguishes torch

[flat briar]

Puts away pitchfork

[ripe galleon]

🐟funky fish

[flat briar]

On a separate note. I feel bad about what I did yesterday in game. I accidentally trapped a naïve innocent little kid...

[strange carbon]

vrc is such a weird and unique game, it's hard to monetize bc the whole community makes most of the content and it's hard to optimize bc it's the community that makes un optimized content

hard to please everyone

[flat briar]

And he friend requested me. Now it is stuck there until it goes away...

[obsidian shard]

There's always the SL/Roblox route but 😬

[flat briar]

I am not going to accept it...

[thick thicket]

That's why all I ask for is performance and security improvements. Those ARE dev side.

[strange carbon]

wdym? What would the Devs do to fix your broken un optimized avatar?

[flat briar]

They give us a lot of features to help prevent the issues with unoptimized avatars already

[thick thicket]

Let people use all their cores for one

[vocal shard]

VRCoins

[jolly prism]

Wats udon??

[obsidian shard]

I did the same thing but to a really adorable drunk guy at Drinking Night. He thought I was a guy and was hardcore flirting all night and I felt soooooooo bad the next day.

in my defense i didn't speak the whole time

[flat briar]

Ahh, so you did a reverse trap

[umbral reef]

All cores do get used. Its just that the maincore gets so bogged down with systems like dynamic bones that unity slows all others down.

[flat briar]

I was in a female avatar while muted

And just let the kid make his own assumptions.

[obsidian shard]

I was also in a female avatar, as was he, he just assumed I was also a guy asdfghjk I felt so bad

[flat briar]

So, he was gay?

[obsidian shard]

Yeah and he was super adorable 😢

[flat briar]

or at least Bi

[umbral reef]

Imagine not being Bi and getting questioned for it in 2020 😎

-This msg was sponsored by Bi people

[flat briar]

The perils of playing VRChat

[subtle ivy]

isnt that just full circle

[strange carbon]

it's funny how differently you get treated just for being in a female Avatar in FB

[flat briar]

I know

[vocal shard]

by bi poeple bbpeople bye bye people

[obsidian shard]

Yeah like the time I went to Void and someone walked up, stuck his face in my chest and shouted "nice tits!" then recoiled in shock when he found out I was actually female

[strange carbon]

omg

[obsidian shard]

Like it would be okay if I was a dude?

[vocal shard]

yes

[flat briar]

I was in a avatar on a public world while muted and I had a bunch of people crowding around me....

[strange carbon]

what if he did that irl, instant jail

[vocal shard]

as a dude i can confirm

[obsidian shard]

Okay but you don't wear female avatars... unless you do when I'm not around? Babe, do you have something to tell me?

[flat briar]

yeah, as guys it is funny

[vocal shard]

no...

[strange carbon]

oh ohhh

[vocal shard]

lmaooo

[obsidian shard]

I wouldn't be mad if you did - I mean... You know I go for either. I just need to know.

[umbral reef]

Id wish taht where the case, sadly it aint at all lmao

[strange carbon]

@vocal shard dont tell her, it's our secret 😘

[flat briar]

yeah, there is a lot that people get away with in IRL that they shouldn't

[obsidian shard]

👀

[vocal shard]

@strange carbon you got it 👀 😘

[obsidian shard]

It's okay, I'm not selfish. I can share him.

[strange carbon]

wdym share? You think you can have time with him?

[rough prism]

bruh

[vocal shard]

shhhhh... 👀

[rough prism]

wtf is vrc plus lmao

[obsidian shard]

How about on Tuesdays and Thursdays? 🥺

[rough prism]

im crying laughing rn looking at this shit

[strange carbon]

yeah you keep see him then, for a couple min

[obsidian shard]

I can make do with a few minutes 😏

[dusk tartan]

Like everyone

[rough prism]

lmao

[vocal shard]

😳

[flat briar]

@rough prism What are you seeing? Is it the fake troll avatars that say you need VRC+ to view them?

[obsidian shard]

ANYWHO yeah felt bad about that reverse trap.

[jovial kestrel]

Keep the chat in a good place please.

[vocal shard]

i gotchu

[thorny aspen]

Least its a bit more sival in here instead of public like geeze.

[strange carbon]

oh yeah... family friendly and stuff

[rough prism]

"fuck modders who put hours into our game to make it better and more enjoyable, we are going to do that shit for them and take money from people to" lmao

[flat briar]

ugh, not quite

[thorny aspen]

Its an optional payment its free to play still

[rough prism]

i know

[obsidian shard]

Idk what you mean that was 100% family friendly. Anywho you're now my favorite person in this entire Discord.

[flat briar]

plus, they even mention that this should allow them to actually support the content creators in some way

[rough prism]

but this is a joke bruh like really early April fools joke

[obsidian shard]

It's an optional subscription that changes nothing for free users.

[strange carbon]

I'd say the same with you two

[flat briar]

It is best to think of it as a way for people who already wanted to support the Devs in some way to do that while getting some extra stuff as a thank you.

[rough prism]

sure

[strange carbon]

my girlfriend hates it when other guys flirt with me and I think it's the funniest thing ever so I do it with other guys

[rough prism]

wtf lmao

[flat briar]

As in flirt with other guys...

[rough prism]

that low key kinda gae ngl

[flat briar]

you have to be specific since "do it with other guys" can be seen in several different ways 🤣

[rough prism]

oh Nfsu no lmao wtf

[vocal shard]

i play video games with other guys

it in this context is family friendly

[flat briar]

I don't care what other people do in that respect. To each their own. As long as they are happy and don't hurt other people in the process. All the power to them

[vocal shard]

^

vrchat general got deep real quick

[fiery fable]

But what if it hurts themself?

And that makes them happy?

[obsidian shard]

Camri and I on the same page, I see

[flat briar]

@fiery fable then they themselves are the only ones who have any valid opinion

[strange carbon]

oh no it's definitely gay which is the funny part because I'm with my girlfriend when I do it

[fiery fable]

Well I doubt that

They could be drugging themselves and I could disagree with that, why does that make my opinion on their addiction invalid?

[flat briar]

Because they are the only ones who can determine if it is hurting themselves or not.

I wasn't talking about addictions

[fiery fable]

??????

[flat briar]

Addictions are an completely different subject.

[strange carbon]

how did this channel get so deep

[fiery fable]

Sure

[vocal shard]

oof my bad

[flat briar]

I am talking about more fundamental character qualities and personality.

[obsidian shard]

If the channel isn't deep, how will all these boats get through safely 🚣‍♂️ 🛥️ ⛵

[strange carbon]

omg

[obsidian shard]

that joke was stupid, ill see myself out

[flat briar]

lol

[fiery fable]

I feel like you should have mentioned that

[crystal burrow]

Ok so I JUST read about the whole "VRChat +" thing and saw the video.

Why is it controversial? Why are some upset?

[flat briar]

I thought it was implied but I shouldn't have assumed

[strange carbon]

not sure yet, no one is losing anything, no one is being forced to pay

[obsidian shard]

Because people don't like having the optional option of opting into an optional subscription... and also they're defending people using mods that violate ToS? Idk people are weird

[rapid pawn]

Every major update has gotten backlash it's nothing new

[flat briar]

@crystal burrow there will always be people who are butthurt over something, it doesn't always have to make sense

They are mainly just afraid of possibilities that are unlikely to occur

[dusk tartan]

Because these features are possible with mods since day 1

It's nothing new and too expensive

[crystal burrow]

I'm just confused. It doesn't effect anyones current experience right? People can just still use their mods and play like normal. So where's the harm? I'm confused, lol. Isn't it just a way to support them?

[jovial kestrel]

"It's not new if you just break the rules."

[ripe galleon]

I’m just going to say one thing here, other than funky fish, the game is bugged for everyone I know, and the updates seem to just break it more, all I’m gonna say, not gonna go in depth with this

[halcyon ledge]

People have the misconception that VRC owes them something and expects all of it's issues to be a simple fix, and don't realize that it's just a game made by a rather small group of people who just wanted to make a nice place for others to hang out

[flat briar]

To be fair, mods in general only usually focus on one thing and somebody will usually spend a lot of time on it as a hobby. As a developer, they have a lot of other things they have to mess with as well that the modders do not.

[dusk tartan]

Ranking faster, can't see some avatars blabla

[visual kayak]

I think that the main reason people are angry is that the value proposition isn't there

[visual kayak]

The can't see some avatars is BS, by the way!

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah there's no such thing.

[vocal shard]

stop spreading misinformation lol

[visual kayak]

THe "You must sub to VRC+ to see this avatar" was a meme avi

[visual kayak]

The ranking faster is SLIGHTLY true- they give a small one time trust bump.

[vocal shard]

It's a bump that's irrelevant to anyone who has played for over a month..

[strange carbon]

wait what wdym you can't see some avatars

[visual kayak]

Again, completely untrue.

[halcyon ledge]

The trust bump makes perfect sense too, considering that people who put their money into the game are more likely to be trustworthy in terms of their content in the game

[visual kayak]

Bingo.

[obsidian shard]

There's some troll avatars going around that say "sub to VRC+ to see this avatar" there's 3-4 of them and they're all ✨ fake news ✨

[flat briar]

The main reason I see behind the trust bump, as mentioned by somebody else, is that some people just want to create things for VRChat but not actually spend the amount of time in game that it takes to be allowed to do that. The trust bump is likely a way to allow them a means past that

[visual kayak]

I have no problems with them charging for these features. But I do have a problem with the pricing. $5/mo for 100 favs is fine. 10/mo could get more. But the value isn't there currently. However, new features are going to be revealed, so we'll see.

[jovial kestrel]

From what I understand, the trust bump is basically just to get you to uploading faster from brand new, and has no viable effect beyond that.

[flat briar]

Exactly^

[visual kayak]

Yeah, because IIRC the trust system is a exponential curve

[thorny aspen]

I dint need favorites when i just make my own avis

[crystal burrow]

It just seems like people are over-reacting. It's a bonus opt-in. Doesn't detract from your experience , and supports the dev's that have had this game free to play all this time. Sure some features are available via mods. So why not just keep your money and use those if you don't wanna support?

I can't understand the hate for it all. x__x

[visual kayak]

Vis>New is 1, New>user is 2, User>known is 4, known>trusted is 8 (For example)

[flat briar]

@visual kayak the one reason you would not want to set the pricing for what is currently available and more for what they have planned in the future is that they would have to increase it at some point which would DEFINITELY make people angry

[jovial kestrel]

Because mods are against the ToS, and it's best if you don't promote or advocate their use.

[outer slate]

Id pay to buy the game. But i aint paying a subscription fee for a broken game.

[rough prism]

for what?

[visual kayak]

That's an example of the "effort" it takes for each tier @rough prism

[rough prism]

ah ok

[thin crow]

Why do VRchat devs expect people to pay to have up to 100 avatars when there is mods that does it free?

[outer slate]

People getting to pay for trusted bugs me as well. Looks like ill be blocking all trust lvls from now on

[crystal burrow]

Huh, didn't know mods were against ToS. Even so then, people have a legitimate way to get these features without breaking ToS. Still don't get the hate.

[vocal shard]

i have important question though, what are the plans for monetization of creators. things like people reuploading content will be a problem so how would monetization have a play in people who just reupload worlds or avatars

[visual kayak]

See Atiash's previous message. #vrchat-general-2 message

[thorny aspen]

Arnt they removing the colored names any ways to greys so every one looks same untill you look at there stats

[obsidian shard]

That's not at all what they're paying for. People can pay to get a bump to their trust level. Not a bump up to trusted.

[flat briar]

@outer slate thing is, the trust bump is so miniscule in comparison to what is required to get Trusted

[visual kayak]

Simply opening your menu shows their rank

[rough prism]

then why get it?

[visual kayak]

Apparently, the bump is ONLY enough to get from visitor to new user, meaning it will allow you to upload content.

[jovial kestrel]

VRC+ is to support the app development. The perks are just icing for doing so.

[flat briar]

There are people who want to start uploading avatars and maps from the get go and either do not want to take the time to raise their trust level enough or don't have the time

[vocal shard]

I feel like there's a lot of misinformation and uncleared stuff going around, maybe another blog post to with FAQ and more information than we got yesterday would be a good idea?

[finite steppe]

People are just mad that the perks should have been features you don't have to pay for.

[rough prism]

wait there was no way to support vrc till now?

[visual kayak]

Correct, no direct way.

[thorny aspen]

Basically

[umbral reef]

Nope

[obsidian shard]

I mean - the blog post clearly lays everything out. People just fail to ✨ read it ✨

[vocal shard]

True

[umbral reef]

What else should throw behind perks then?

[finite steppe]

You say that like people actually read the blog posts.

[flat briar]

@rough prism VRChat has been surviving purely off of the support of donations from corporations and the blood and sweat of the dev team, where money is concerned

[obsidian shard]

As someone also in the industry it's now second-nature to thoroughly read important announcements. Idk why I would expect a community in any game to do it though since I can't even get my own community to do it 🤣

[visual kayak]

I would be 100% fine if the perks were all flair. But by adding the favorites slots, a core functionality, then it turns from a monthly donation to a monthly subscription to a game in my eyes. At that point they're competing with things that give far more content.

I'm still going to buy VRC+, as I'd be nowhere today without VRChat. However, I'm not doing it for the perks, I'm doing it exclusively to help.

[upper heart]

if you actually "need" 100 favorites slots then you should be making your own stuff.

[thorny aspen]

Ill get perk first month if no changes ill unsub if they cant prove there fixing things.

[tall forge]

Any plans to eliminate the numerous bugs in this game before charging for extras?

[umbral reef]

You do realize your getting 25 spots for free righto?
Like thats a lot..

[obsidian shard]

I mean they are all flair, technically. You can only wear one avatar at a time, you're not gaining some kind of advantage cause you'll have 99 other options on top of the one you're wearing over 24 other options for free users.

Only reason I want the 100 slots is cause with the 16 slots I only keep my absolute favorites and if I find a new one it's the amount of stress someone defusing a bomb feels to pick which one to sacrifice to the unfavorite gods.

[flat briar]

Unfortunately people either don't have the know-how, the ability to, or just don't know how to get their hands on the avatars they already favorited

[finite steppe]

I was thinking that some compromises could be made with the new features to make people less salty about VRC+, maybe give everyone the ability to add an icon to their nametag, but put a strict limit on how many icons you can store without the subscription. That's just one example.

[umbral reef]

Also dont forget you can favorite avatar worlds.
The best avatars are still found there and not from cloning

[obsidian shard]

Plus 100 slots means I can dedicate half to actual avatars I like and want to use and half to memes 😈

[finite steppe]

Only people that need more than 25 favorite slots are people that don't import their own avatars.

[rough prism]

im just wondering how long and much it well take before vrc becomes something that most people well start to pay for

[thorny aspen]

Can i favorite my own avatars so i dont have to scroll half a year to get to them

[tall forge]

god this game is so bugged

[obsidian shard]

They're adding new categories to organize with, according to the blog post.

[rough prism]

right

[flat briar]

@umbral reef I can attest to how annoying it is to have to go to a avatar world each time you want to wear a certain one

[outer slate]

I could care less about having 100 slots or an icon next to my name. That to me is not worth 10$ a month. Im guessing their investors have slowly backed out due to vrc not being able to offer them anything. Hense the want and need for a subscription fee

[flat briar]

People forget that the game never had favoriting of avatars at the beginning

[umbral reef]

You can swap the favorites then?
Might be that im not spoiled (dont take it in a bad way) and come from a time where you didnt even get to keep the last avatar you played with when rebooting.

[flat briar]

I just said that

[umbral reef]

Im used to going to an avatar world i had to remember by name to get my avatar back before joining my friends again :c

[obsidian shard]

Or when your main avatar and half your faves get pulled by their creator simultaneously, then you find a new favorite creator and your old favorite creators puts their back up... Sacrifices to the unfave gods must be made.

[flat briar]

Yeah, it was extremely annoying

[fair sphinx]

i just wanna say, the vrchat team is fuckin wildin with this new open beta

[outer slate]

Im stocked though for yet another update yo an already broken game.

[tall forge]

if the game actually worked half the time I'd consider contributing.

[thorny aspen]

Yeh so y cant you see the creator of the avatar while your in it like i have to ask friends to look at my stats to tell me

[vocal shard]

its a community game

[fair sphinx]

25 avatar slots for free and 100 with vrc plus

[crisp lake]

Yeah the game has had the same bugs since launch, stuff that modders tried to fix only for new updates to once again break the game again

[finite steppe]

I don't get why everyone is saying this game is broken, i rarely ever run into problems with the client itself.

[fair sphinx]

its mainly quest that has the most issues

[flat briar]

@thorny aspen there is a Avatar stats tab, I think it has that info

[tall forge]

Even when I use pc it crashes constantly, doesn't load worlds etc

[outer slate]

Im on pc and see many mqny many bugs.

[obsidian shard]

It does not - I was trying to find that info on one of mine the other day and couldn't find it in there.

[flat briar]

That might be a you issue @tall forge . Just saying...

[umbral reef]

Keep in mind, most internet/networking problems are not really VRC's fault

[finite steppe]

Huh, maybe the fact i have all trust ranks but my friends blocked helps reduce crashing.

[outer slate]

Many of my pc friends also see the same issues i do.

[umbral reef]

There are a lot of shit internet providers and hosts out there

[flat briar]

@obsidian shard ok. Maybe I am mistaken

[tall forge]

@flat briar Nope all my friends have the same issue it's a game issue and known... opimization is lacking severely.

[vocal shard]

its bugs with the community made content

[outer slate]

Its the game itself. Not client side

[flat briar]

I have never really tried to look but I assumed it would be there where.

[obsidian shard]

Only crashes I typically encounter are either due to people with crap avatars that lag out the entire game or because SteamVR crashes.

[thorny aspen]

I crash during loading worlds

[hollow patio]

where do we subscribe to vrc+

[obsidian shard]

I mean I could just be blind, too.

[outer slate]

@vocal shard the friends list glitches out. THAT is not community made. Will they ever fix it? Nope. Lol

[flat briar]

@tall forge Myself and my friends don't run into that issue.

[umbral reef]

Those are sadly network problems
Try resetting your router, that might actually also speed up the loading.

[finite steppe]

I don't have VR, so maybe the fact i play in desktop mode also helps with stability. I rarely ever crash.

[umbral reef]

Also eenhoorns to be pog

[flat briar]

Also, try clearing your game cache through the advanced setting tabs every now and then

[obsidian shard]

Also clear your cache semi-frequently.

[crystal burrow]

Ok, browsing older posts and the reddit page I see some peoples argument.

The "Bump" to your trusted rank is only enough to get you from Visitor -> New User. Thus allowing people who are content creators to pay and get that necessary rank to upload content.
People seem upset over this because its been miscommunicated that people could pay to jump up to Known or Trusted User which is NOT true.

The Nameplates people are arguing mods and edits to avatars got you that feature for free. And they feel annoyed something so simple is being put behind a pay wall.

The extra slots people are also annoyed with cause VRChat originally claimed, it was a "Technical limitation" to expand and give tons of favourite slots. Something modders did quickly and for free. Now an expansion is being provided but again, locked behind a pay-wall.

As for the "Can't see avatars without +" thing? That's **fake **and people are getting upset and using that as fuel to their fire.

I understand some peoples reasons for being upset but at the end of the day it IS their game. You accepted the ToS and got ahold of those features through mods and means that are against the rules to begin with.

My only issue with the + version is the cost. $10 a month seems kinda high. Even the year cost of $99 is like, $8.30 a month. Then again I don't really know what it costs to keep this thing running. If they had a life-time pass that'd be interesting.

[flat briar]

HAvign too much in the cache can cause issues

[thorny aspen]

My routers fine im on google fiber even so isnt connections

[tall forge]

@flat briar You must somehow have magical pc's then because there's even a youtube video with a guy running an i10 extreme chipset, dual sli rtx 3070's 64 gigs of ram and crashes constantly.. it's not client site it's server side.

side*

[white bobcat]

I thought SLI was known for instability?

[flat briar]

Yeah

[thorny aspen]

^

[tall forge]

like 10 years ago yes

[umbral reef]

Most of the time the speed isnt the problem, its once your internet reaches your internet provider and has to travel across half the world to get to the server, thats where it goes wrong.
How odd it might sound but turning an router on/off makes your ISP change some stuff that can help.

[flat briar]

The new 3000 series cards do not like SLI

[formal dove]

Hello everyone, how are we all on this fine day?

[flat briar]

Good

[tall forge]

Okay there's other videos of people running single 3070's and still crashing.. your clearly missing the point here... it's not how good the pc is when the game isn't optimized well.. it's server side.. so even nasa's pc's would crash.

[thorny aspen]

Iv tried like everything and it constent every 2 worlds i cant load i have to force close vrc just to load it again

[umbral reef]

Is your C drive almost full then?

[obsidian shard]

I hope you stretched before that last reach there, Scorpio.

[flat briar]

It really is important to make sure your Cache isn't too full of data

[thorny aspen]

Nope 1 tb left

[tall forge]

@obsidian shard Oh you doing the toxic troll thing again? keyboard warrior looking cool on the net? ... your just a troll straight up. You can't have a civil discussion and just look like a fool.

[formal dove]

Check storage space if your having issues with VRC, lack of storage causes issues , also remember to clear your world cache every so often, don't let it exceed 15gb or it slows down I find

[white bobcat]

Sometimes people are just negative, I hope they feel better soon.

[faint skiff]

@tall forge I've not had VRC crash for months, you're probably in worlds with really fucky avatars. VRC can't do anything about people's terrible avatars.

[shell bear]

bruh i was here hours upon hours ago and saw yall fight - coming in ya all still fight ,whats up with the friday

[faint skiff]

Use the safety controls to block avatars over X size, or very poor ones except for friends, etc.

[flat briar]

Ah, we are "Discussing" different things now

[faint skiff]

I've got mine set to block avatars over 50MB for example, as I have a rubbish connection.

[tall forge]

@obsidian shard Let me educate on the different of client side versus server side... if the issues are server side no pc period will run the game well as it's not related the client. Do you at least understand that simple concept? I can send you some links to educate you on client vs server side if you'd like.

[shell bear]

[obsidian shard]

Dude thinks he's being civil at all in his tone 🤣 Okay Scorpio, lmao, enjoy your constant crashing that the majority of people in here have already told you isn't an issue they experience.

[tall forge]

difference*

[flat briar]

YEah, if you try to load every avatar in a world at the same time as having just loaded the world, it can cause you issues

[umbral reef]

Meanwhile im just posting here while being payed by my boss for remote 'working' Looking at a screen and praying nothing breaks

[flat briar]

which could be a game issue. but that would be true of anything, really

[raven furnace]

Hello, the hell did I come into?

[formal dove]

Don't need to fight here, take it to DMs please and thank you

[tall forge]

@obsidian shard Your the only one being toxic.. can't even own up for your own actions you act toxic and try to be cool on the internet then put your actions on someone else? lmao

[obsidian shard]

Same mood, monitoring a recent patch and just 💤 all quiet on the homefront

[flat briar]

And really, I don't see this as fighting, we really are just discussing things

If you want toxicity, look at the Public chat...

[umbral reef]

It do be pog nights when nothing goes wrong
You literally get payed to watch netflix and to pray

[formal dove]

Hacking at each other isn't a good look on anyone

[tall forge]

Besloth has shown unfortunately that he cannot manage a civil conversation and uses petty insults when he lacks knowledge. There is no fight here just a troll acting "cool"

[flat briar]

for the most part

[thorny aspen]

Hmm having saftey setting while loading worlds would possibly be more handy so you can block everything before joining

[flat briar]

BesSloth and Scorpio are fighting, the rest are not 😝

[formal dove]

Calling out others is also not an adult thing to do btw, be civil

[obsidian shard]

Fr - just doing online shopping while watching the monitors 😴

[crystal burrow]

• AMD Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.0 GHz
 • 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz
 • ASRock X570 EXTREME4
 • Nvidia RTX 3090 24GB - Founders Edition
 • 2TB SSD NVME M.2

I have a performance limit for avatars on, shaders and animations turned off for visitors and new users, I still crash once in a blue moon. The most annoying thing for me is the gray-screen I get in my headset. Then it returns and my vision is skewed as it re-aligns to where it's supposed to be tracking. to my avatar. It's VERY disorienting and I just have to close my eyes.

Although that issue I'm told has to do with Nvidia and Valve's drivers.

[flat briar]

@thorny aspen it is already there

[obsidian shard]

Nah, I blocked him already, he's the one carrying on well afterwards 🛌

Ain't got time for the manbaby screeching. He can enjoy the void.

[thorny aspen]

Saftey while.loading worlds? Nope not there only before

[tall forge]

Anyways back to the original discussion before Mr. Troll chimed in again. There is server side optimization issues and yes it may be due to community contributions but as a whole the game does have crash issues widely reported by many players some with really good pc's / headsets and some without but it's a general issue not specific to "rigs"

[formal dove]

Have you used beta drivers for Nvidia enabled, I have a 3080 and it works fine for me

[white bobcat]

How do i do that bessloth?

[crystal burrow]

Haven't tried them yet. Might have to look into them...

[obsidian shard]

Block him? Right click his name if you're on PC

[white bobcat]

Phone

[thorny aspen]

Hold down on there name

[flat briar]

still possible, just more nuanced

[white bobcat]

Thank you very much.

[obsidian shard]

Uh hold on... Tap and hold on his post, hit profile, then the three dots.

[tall forge]

Funny that kids are cowards and run when they are proven wrong. Blocked me. I'll shall shed a tear now because a child who cannot have a civil discussion blocked me. Keyboard warriors I love them.

[dark harness]

HMU if you've got the Nintendo Power where they explained how to improve the graphics stability in your game with database optimizations

[tepid sundial]

No

[obsidian shard]

Also on the note of safety settings - honestly even some high-rank people have suuuuuuuper laggy avatars. I have almost everything off for everyone except Trusted and Friends.

[tepid sundial]

I think it’s just some children

[halcyon ledge]

Y'all watch out for my boi scorpio he got an extended vocabulary to show people he really know what up

[shell bear]

[thorny aspen]

Yeh but o forget half the time and join sometimes after i unblocked them

[tepid sundial]

[tall forge]

Welcome to discord where people think making petty insults makes them look cool, nothing new.

[jovial kestrel]

Welcome to the Internet*

[tepid sundial]

Well he’s not wrong

[obsidian shard]

Oh yeah I've done that a couple times, forgot I did a show avatar in a private lagless world and pop into somewhere like Void that's suuuuuuper laggy, encounter them and just oof lol

[tall forge]

@jovial kestrel Valid point!

[jovial magnet]

.

[halcyon ledge]

My favorites are always the ones usin the big words and fancy talk to act like they really know it all

[thorny aspen]

People suck in general sometimes cant fix everyone

[tall forge]

I was literally addressing the stability issues of the game and got attacked for a legitimate discussion. Again though nothing new as you said it's the internet 🙂

[tepid sundial]

Has anyone else noticed that Atiash’s number is 0001

[north willow]

Don't gotta be such a snow flake lol this is your third time saying this

[obsidian shard]

You can change your number with Nitro

[tall forge]

Ahh he/she has nitro can set custom #'s

See another one.. hello @north willow I see you want to troll also, enjoy I guess?

[languid beacon]

I don’t change my tag number because I don’t feel like changing it everywhere

[jovial kestrel]

That's because I am the best Atiash. @tepid sundial

[tall forge]

Attempting to have a civil discussion is not being a "snowflake" I suggest you google snowflake and learn what it actually means.

[obsidian shard]

Feel like if I change my tag I'll give out the wrong one in-game lol

He's really still going on, huh?

[languid beacon]

A crystal sized form of water formed naturally in the upper atmosphere usually during winter

[flat briar]

That is the only definition I care about

[tall forge]

@languid beacon Nice well played haha 🙂

[dusk tartan]

Welcome to vrc

[raven furnace]

Damn dude, I think you need to chill @tall forge most people just want to have fun or have normal convo, I don't get why you feel the need to keep going, relax, people are only being rude towards you because of your attitude.

[flat briar]

The other definition is a derogatory term that most people like to use to incorrectly describe a generation they like to forget was raised by them.

[rancid inlet]

hello! i know vrchat plus isnt actually out yet, but when are we able to pay for it and get the early supporter badge? big fan of vrchat and would love to support it more ❤️

[jovial kestrel]

No official date yet.

[rancid inlet]

ah, alright. thanks!

[halcyon ledge]

But kokichi if I talk down on you and cleverly word my sentences so that I sound smarter than you, it is only because I want to uphold a civil conversation

[reef nest]

I'm sorry if I'm interrupting anyone but is anyone elses social tab just not loading? I was able to see all my friend requests and decline them, but the only tab thats loading players is 'in the room'? My friend's arent loading at all and I'm unsure if it's just my pc being bad or if its a vrchat thing going on

[languid beacon]

Yesterday: angry lemons
Today: Can we pay for it advance

[tall forge]

I will end with this, as I started a civil comment. I would love to support this game and get the vrc+ however I'd like to see some improvements to the optimization's before doing so. As currently I get at least 2-3 crashes a day or more sometimes and have a hard time contributing money to a game that needs work before it's reliable. Simple fair statement also an opinion which I get we live in a society where people aren't allowed to have opinions without someone attacking sadly but it's my opinion. Agree or disagree be a real human and discuss it like a civil human being not a childish petty insult.

[obsidian shard]

I had that briefly last night, a quick restart fixed it for me.

[reef nest]

I'll try that then, thanks

[raven furnace]

Oh my gosh

[tall forge]

Cheers all and to the positive civil people have an excellent day 🙂

[flat briar]

You too

[raven furnace]

Have a nice day,

[strange carbon]

oh fun, i just broke up with my girlfriend

[raven furnace]

Wanna vent?

[strange carbon]

time to go on deppressed chat

[flat briar]

😬

[vocal shard]

whut happened

[languid beacon]

I’m so sorry / Congradulations, depending on if you feel you are better/worse off

[strange carbon]

lmao thanks

[strange carbon]

long story but were back to being friends now after a lot of talking

[raven furnace]

If anyone needs to vent i'm available though, whatever helps you feel better.

[strange carbon]

its fine i got my cat for that

[raven furnace]

Good way to cope lol, I have two cats

[strange carbon]

anyone wanna get on vrc?

[raven furnace]

i'll be on in a bit

[flat briar]

I unfortunately have to go to work soon. 😦

[vocal shard]

hell yeah in a bit though

[raven furnace]

My username is the same, Kokichi-0uma 0 in 0uma is a zero

[strange carbon]

thats alright, have fun at work

im Lil_Bunz I think

[obsidian shard]

I'm not off work for another 3ish hours, but I'll be joining on @vocal shard when I'm on if y'all are hanging

[strange carbon]

slacking on the job smh

[obsidian shard]

Always

[flat briar]

Sucks that I have work here soon since I am still waiting on the package with my trackers in it....

[strange carbon]

oooh thats exciting

[raven furnace]

I am currently a quest user though so i might not be able to see where your faces are lol

[strange carbon]

uhhh i could swap over to a quest avi

i have a couple of those saved i think

[raven furnace]

Alright

[obsidian shard]

I don't believe I have any but I could probably find one if I don't.

[raven furnace]

Pretty much all of mine are danganronpa avatars

[thorny aspen]

Well they did change charater size for blocked avatars so there face is where the robot is now

So small avi there small robot now

[strange carbon]

no idea but i love it

[obsidian shard]

For the most part, anyways. Found with some sitting or weird avatars it's a little off, but not terrible.

[strange carbon]

alright im getting on rn @raven furnace are you on rn?

[hollow ingot]

Thank you for the info. O.O

[stark solar]

How are we lads and ladies?

[ripe hornet]

On the topic of optimization

I would really love the ability to customize the limits tbh, I can handle 100k+ vert models but I don't want them to turn into robots if I set the "censor" above "Very Poor"

This could also be helpful to add your own particle limit to avatars, only allowing X amount to be spawned/visible at a time, or even adding your own max tick to dynamic bones

[languid beacon]

I guess they could add one or two more level above very poor

[ripe hornet]

or just "Custom" :y

[languid beacon]

“Blatantly Selfish”

[ripe hornet]

any avatar not fullfilling X, Y or Z are blocked and can only be manually enabled to be visible.

[jovial kestrel]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

[ripe hornet]

Kinda wack to have to go into the files to do that lmao

[languid beacon]

One thing I found funny, in the SDK the .png for VeryPoor, , is called Horrible.png

[jovial kestrel]