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balmy tendon
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:D

vocal shard
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you better do your best to actually push that change

hidden gust
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Yay thanks System! im glad to hear that.

indigo seal
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Unlock this world now for 500 VRCoins!

cold talon
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Psst system, got one good for you
how about personal mirrors on VRC+

sharp saddle
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Jeezus. 1k on an avatar?!

balmy tendon
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Thats Expensive xD

hidden gust
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people pay thousands for scratch avatars Art

indigo seal
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yeah, didnt projektmelody paid 3k+ for her model? there was some drama about it recently

sharp saddle
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Also, I think the 30-second timer should be retired as the ensuing chaos is mostly died down.

dusk pier
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@dark harness It's a really hard decision to make, you're not ever going to be able to please everyone and some people might hate VRC+, but if you and the development team think it's going to help the overall longevity and you can improve the ecosystem as a whole with the feature, then I fully support it. It's when companies take the easy way out and are just trying to milk their players for money when it becomes and issue.

dark harness
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Over half of our team are fully convinced that lootboxes are a plot to foist gambling on children and gleefully post articles every time the EU brings the hammer down on a company that's turned our favourite Sim game into a card-trading-swap-fest

cold talon
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melody avatar =/= vrc avatar

mystic grotto
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@dark harness Why not establish some sort of in-game economy? E.g. let people sell avatars (requires some... technical solutions to prevent cloning) in-game, and you could collect some small fees. I am sure it has been suggested before though.

sour fog
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even if vrc does push this update im sure they are still gonna be modders that will still make clients with the same features just saying

thorny plume
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cant compare an expensive avatar and a sub to a game with user generated content

graceful pewter
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it takes a while to set up the systems for the in-app economy

balmy tendon
mental lily
indigo seal
stable trellis
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"wheel of rankings, spin the wheel for $5 and get assigned a random trust rank" this perfectly flawless non broken idea is free, vrc team

hidden gust
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its honestly understandable
System also ur reminding me how lootboxes are also banned in some countries

indigo seal
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Belgium for example, no lootboxes

cold talon
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a part why melodys avatar was so expensive is because

  1. digi charges a hella lot tanabae
  2. it is a commercial model, which cost a hella lot more
hidden gust
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3x more from some people

thorny plume
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its a bespoke custom commission for a business

dark harness
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I've been pushing back against that for ages, claiming - and I truly believe this - that I am much, MUCH, too stupid to build an in-game-economy. It could still happen, but I'd want to find a way to do it where if somebody lost $12,000 in Tokencoinz our company wouldn't have been the ones responsible

little rampart
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this chat is way chiller =w=
public lobby is hell right now

inner cape
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"you gonna make money with it? i better charge you extra"

grand zenith
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I mean the melody thing is a scam tbh xD

balmy tendon
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And how the hell does VRC want to use lootboxes in their game xD

cold talon
graceful pewter
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I wonder why the vibe ends up so different between the two rooms

mystic grotto
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@dark harness Maybe initially off-site like steam marketplace?

dusk pier
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@dark harness just hire lawyers to write out a crazy long 100 page thing that people have to agree with that legally covers you for pretty much everything and then you're fine. It'll be pretty expensive, but it's a foolproof way of covering yourself

indigo seal
sour fog
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im not with the vrc plus thing but its something i just have to get used to im not really complaining im just happy that i get to still make animations

stable trellis
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well if you ever need a game economist designer, my rates are negative 10 dollars a month, take it or leave it. my experience in the field is as follows:

inland knot
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Just sell the people's private information to China like any other sane human being

balmy tendon
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Fortnitedances unitypackges xD

frigid peak
hidden gust
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honestly i dont think its a good idea to have a game economy. Account trading and that bs starts to become a thing

thorny plume
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subscription should be paying for the infrastructure, compute/network/storage costs, so for $10 i'd be wanting lower round trip time on my tcp sessions with european servers, and allow us to send more fbt tracking data =p

dusk pier
balmy tendon
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Everytime u open an lootbox u get an cool unitypackge xD

mystic grotto
hidden gust
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what would a game economy do for vrchat though?
as in what would it be used for ๐Ÿค”

chrome hinge
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poeppe will steal accounts to sell them

stable trellis
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account trading is pretty dangerous and abusable

indigo seal
inner cape
heady salmon
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oh no.

graceful pewter
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basically the Japanese virtual Market but with in-game purchases

dark harness
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I kept trying to push 3fa or even 4fa but apparently "our users aren't ready for that kind of security" and "nobody wants to send us a blood sample" and "how did you get in my house?"

dusk pier
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That's all under the users' discretion though, if you buy an account and get scammed that's on you.

mystic grotto
whole flare
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people are also less tempted to steal if they just have the means of aquiring stuff through in-game in the first place

chrome hinge
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lol

stable trellis
frigid peak
dusk pier
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The only reason I use melonloader if because there isn't dynamic bone interaction, you can ban me for that but if you guys added that feature I wouldn't use melonloader

cold talon
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for only 15$/month you get:
faster refresh on network ik
cross player dynamic bone interaction
infinite avatar slots
๐Ÿ‘€ now that's what i call monetization

indigo seal
frigid peak
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I had to lock up my roblox account from when I was 8 like fort knox cause it's worth like 750$

hidden gust
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System xD i think 3fa is a good thing tho. for streamers mostly.
Or something that acts like a VPN in VRC

dark harness
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I assume your winks are there to communicate how down with safe authentication practices you are

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tell me about your unique, long passphrases

mystic grotto
buoyant forum
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I don't mind vrc+ but seriously what are those new nameplates they're so distracting

indigo seal
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come and get them, big boy

stable trellis
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unironically though, a blizzard auth like app for VRC* where i could approve log in requests from a notification to my phone directly would be so siiick

devout berry
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Require HW CA token to login! ๐Ÿคฃ

dusk pier
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when someone has to shove a finger up my ass for "authentication" i think it might be too far๐Ÿ˜†

inner cape
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half of the vrc playerbase wouldnt mind ^

chrome hinge
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๐Ÿ˜

dark harness
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vrcThinking it is possible that somebody has lied to you about what "authentication" is

mystic grotto
cold talon
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wonder which half you are on ghosto ๐Ÿค”

frigid peak
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When is VRChat getting compatibility with Elon Musk's neura link, I need to brain interface with anime boobs

dusk pier
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hmmmm maybe ive been lied too

indigo seal
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i would like to control a tail tbh and cat ears vrcThinking

mystic grotto
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To be honest even 2FA is usually too much pain.

stable trellis
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vrc microchip implant when

whole flare
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god my friend groups are going insane right now.. everyones in a panic about how the vrc team is gonna go and use vrc+ as an excuse to limit everyone now. like upload limits. locking stuff behind vrc+ someone even started yelling about ads in the loading screens.. =_= where did anything ever hint at any of that?

chrome hinge
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neurolink

hidden gust
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when in VR 2FA can be a bit of a pain, yes

dusk pier
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ngl most people on vrc are into some weirrrrrd shit but hey man, as long as i'm not involved you do you

dark harness
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Neuralink compatiblity is scheduled for as soon as we can get our 30-something developers to put it on and not have it immediately shout quotes from the first 10 seasons of The Simpsons until we take it off again. DENTAL PLAN. LISA NEEDS BRACES. DENTAL PLAN.

Anyways, Sega Dreamcast compat is obviously first

mystic grotto
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I just use a local password manager and good local system security practices.

graceful pewter
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slippery slope argument because they're charging money now @whole flare

stable trellis
indigo seal
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Ready Player One is closer than we think guys!

dusk pier
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ngl i can't wait for neuralink and that tech to become a thing, a lot of people are scared of it but i'd love to try it

umbral reef
mental lily
hidden gust
frigid peak
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Please give me ads in the loading screens actually, as long as they aren't videos. I'm all for social world ads as long as they aren't data targetted and they're kept in core worlds.

dusk pier
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as soon as i can play as mario from n64 in neuralink im tryna play

whole flare
mental lily
indigo seal
mystic grotto
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@dark harness Is MacOS/Linux support anywhere on the roadmap? I would be interested in that even without VR support.

vocal shard
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you pay to support them first
the badges and favourites are just a bonus

cold talon
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finally wont need phantom touch anymore if we get neurolink

stable trellis
hidden gust
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LOL Actually ADS while loading is a good idea as long as they dont make loading time longer!

oak rivet
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people should take a look at discord, and discord nitro, then take a look at vrchat and vrchat+
and see that they're both optional subscriptions for FREE services
NOT having them, doesn't affect you or hinder you from using the services they support

indigo seal
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i cant use my nitro here sadge

dusk pier
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ADS while loading would be fine as long as there's no audio. Listening to the same ad 100 time would make me quit

umbral reef
vocal shard
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you pay discord for functionality, that's the point
vrc+ is to support them first

frigid peak
whole flare
tawdry kindle
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lol are people ranting about vrchat plus already? What s wrong with supporting the devs these days? XDD

dusk pier
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VRC hire me

cold talon
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svel, you seeing that?

vocal shard
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devs aren't humans and are only slaves that exist to make the game how the players want it

hidden gust
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i pay $10 for support expecting things in return,
i have high hopes and system already kinda confirmed my gut feelings

whole flare
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@dusk pier there's job openings on their website iirc :P

stable trellis
frigid peak
vocal shard
dark harness
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The problem with ads as a business model is that in order to make it really profitable you need to practice a level of surveillance on your users that makes our Swedish and Canadian employees' skin crawl. We'd also be driving a LOT of our users towards adblocking-modded-clients and we're trying to discourage mods, not encourage them. Not to say that we'd never consider ads, but if we did we'd have to reconcile them with our own opinions on safely showing them to users.

indigo seal
tawdry kindle
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p2w lmfao

oak rivet
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"boost to trust rank" is a weird thing to complain about, you can still lower someone elses trust rank, you can still block them, like what is the point of complaining about this

dusk pier
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Nah ik i'd never get hired, I don't have a college degree or anything cause I believe that I can learn everything by myself, that's why when I'm out of high school I'm starting my own company and doing my own thing. If worst comes to worst I can go to college and be a slave to a company for the rest of my life but right now that's not the plan

umbral reef
# frigid peak Tell that to PlayStation Home, Sony made muchos granola on deals with movie comp...

Sony, a top tier adveritsing company with millions of daily people getting a good deal isnt the same as VRC getting any deal.

I used to help an website with around 60K users a day, i knew how much advertising money they got.
Literally hosting an event and taking 5% of the profits for hosting it on there website made more profit then a years of advertising because it was non targeted and all that stuff.

indigo seal
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thats just an example i approve of the sub payment to support

stable trellis
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if i have to watch a walmart ad just to kiss my homies...

tawdry kindle
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What are some features that the VRChat team could actually monetize?

mystic grotto
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Pls no ads ๐Ÿคฎ

indigo seal
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Avatar that pees

umbral reef
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Advertising is a really tricky, hard to do properly and fairly towards the users.
There is a reason that websites that live on advertisements got like 30 adds on there homepage and any other website you see.

hidden gust
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True, Idk about video ads but maybe a GIF/ pic ads
i can imagine a competitor advertising their game in urs it'd be hilarious xD

dusk pier
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advertising is almost impossible to do right

indigo seal
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this chat is keeping me from working on my app, how do i quit

frigid peak
grand zenith
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How about world creators who use VRC+ are able to push their world in the loading screens when you swap worlds as an Ad?

whole flare
# oak rivet "boost to trust rank" is a weird thing to complain about, you can still lower so...

peoples main complaint about the trust rank in that regards is the 'elitism' it supposedly created. but also the ability to buy yourself out of visitor status after making a new account if you get banned.. it gives griefers a quicker way back to their griefing basically. but at the same time they have to support vrc to do so so i don't see a real bad in that. they'll get banned again anyway and vrc got money out of it. win win imo.

cold talon
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they should stop complaining about VRC+ making the game pay to win
or else im gonna apply for monetization manager and make it pay to win vrcAngry

hidden gust
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maybe on website u could have an advert request where theres options on hm it would cost then, looked at if it obeys TOS etc

vocal shard
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want mirrors ? pay 15 bucks per month to get them

mystic grotto
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@dark harness Just use Star Citizen's model of crowd-funding. Have an amazing vision, over-promise and under-deliver (at least in the short-term)! ๐Ÿ˜… Lots of virtual reality sci-fi to draw inspiration from I think.

inner cape
stable trellis
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i think as long as you put an annoying pop up that says "VRchat uses cookies to improve the experience!" every time you launch the game you can legally get away with anything, food for thought for monetization

cold talon
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personal mirror yes

frigid peak
vocal shard
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want to jump ? that will be 10 bucks my dude

inner cape
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owlboy be like ^

umbral reef
# frigid peak Hasn't VRChat been endorsed by corporations already for an event or two? Compani...

Getting a deal like that going is hard. Isnt a realistic goal and more something of an event happening.
VRC already has larger companies using there service (VTEK) but advertising inside the game is odd.

Also advertising in VR has from research been really bad. Not effective, the target group hates it, hard to get users to engage and tracking is harder.

Its just an stupidly tricky thing to do sadly now that the 'golden age' of the internet is gone.

whole flare
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future patchnotes "Non VRC+ members can now only use the Holoport movement system"

vocal shard
oak rivet
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@whole flare then griefers will waste their money, and if griefers using it as a method to troll, YOU the user can set the trust rank to matter less, it's a minor boost not a whole new trust rank i imagine

stoic saddle
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Just charge people to use naughty rooms and avatars or something, like Second Life does...

hidden gust
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The loading screen could potentially be used as a "Street Billboard" (Billboard advertisements)

frigid peak
vocal shard
whole flare
dark harness
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(What CAN you monetize?) That's such a delicate question. If we pick features that are good enough that people want them badly, people will complain that we're holding back important features p2w two-tier monsters, but if we pick features that are unimportant enough that nobody cares about them... then we don't have a product at all.

oak rivet
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ads don't get money from people seeing them, people need to actually care to go and view them

cold talon
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but yeah something like Meliodas said, but a tad bit different, instead of including advertising in VRC+ they could make ad space available on the loading screens, so ads relating to vrc could be posted there, not necessary worlds

frigid peak
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The only thing you've got to lose is the same users who come back 2 days later after saying they quit because the 'devs do nothing right'

tawdry kindle
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Yeah system, that sounds pretty difficult to ballance.

oak rivet
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ads are much more about clicks than views than you may realise, and i'm sure if you're in VR you don't want to go to a different site to look at PRODUCT\โ„ข๏ธ

mental lily
stoic saddle
modern hill
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oofie

umbral reef
dusk sable
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@dark harness What was the reasoning to no do this model before?

whole flare
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actually.. someone has a good point there that could be usefull.. let creators pay a small fee to have their worlds featured in loading screens? that way all advertisement is vrc related and it's actually relevant to people in there.. pay for world exposure ;o?

graceful pewter
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and honestly if there was to be Billboards in VRc that probably be more helpful to have them pulling towards like Avatar makers because then vrchat my could take the cut for a in vrchat premium Avatar system

cold talon
frigid peak
vocal shard
thorny plume
oak rivet
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nice so website popups then @cold talon lol

any monetisation method they can add to the game will piss people off because they are spoiled. this subscription is INCREDIBLY tame to what they could add

devout berry
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Make artificially slowed down connection for free players while loading worlds! XD ๐Ÿคฃ Bandwith is expensive! Just cut some of those bites from the quota... File sharing services do that all the time and no one complains!

umbral reef
stable trellis
mental lily
oak rivet
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exactly rampa, they could do the nexus mods approach, it hinders you, but you can still use the service. but it sucks

tawdry kindle
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I know this might come as a stupid question, but could VRChat optimization be improved further? Also would updating the game version of unity increase perfromance?

dark harness
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๐Ÿ˜„ I can't share exact numbers, but I think we made more money by tricking our CEO into testing the VRChat+ system with his own wallet than we ever have from our merch store

umbral reef
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Just disable FBT and only unlock it after they donate enough money to giving you guys more Ram

whole flare
desert stratus
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heres how to optimize vrchat

thorny plume
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vrchat optimisation should be for everyone, but features behind a pay service should definitely reflect increase in resource usage

hidden gust
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yeah adverts could be localised to VRChat
maybe a new world that came out,
VRC official announcements
etc

stable trellis
frigid peak
oak rivet
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if you reach the new limit of 25 favourite avatars, then you clearly play the game enough that you should consider supporting the people who provide the service you use for free

dark harness
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It's all just our logo! Our logo on everything! The real merch money is in clever in-jokes

mystic grotto
desert stratus
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ive been saying this since 2019, full proof plan that never fails : please just fix your avatars / for worlds for once holy shit

dark harness
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Dan proposed we ship a shirt that's just the shader-not-found texture and... heck, I'd buy it

whole flare
cold quiver
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performance blocked t-shirts where

stable trellis
unreal verge
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Interesting that nameplate colors are now gone, so trust ranks are now invisible

dark harness
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The fact that you're just learning that now suggests to me how well it's going. ๐Ÿ˜›

umbral reef
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TBH- I really dislike merch thats just an logo or stuff
I want cool looking shirts that id buy in a normal store but a tiny spin of the place i buy it from
Having unity jokes fall under that group, id wear it to some nerd stuff then.

mental lily
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What about you create a system that allows people to automatically create and buy body pillows of their own avatars? ๐Ÿ˜‚

shell bear
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poggers - trusted arent trusted people anyways

desert stratus
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what do nameplates look like now? please tell me tbey look like the old green ones

heady salmon
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I would buy a hat and mitten combo of the 'loading' avatar if I had money.

stable trellis
dusk pier
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keep nameplate colors pleaseeeee๐Ÿ™

unreal verge
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@desert stratus a bit like Xbox achievements notifications but grey

dark harness
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I've been pitching a monetization scheme where we use the lob.com API to send you pictures of other people's avatars in the mail and you pay us to stop

whole flare
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xD

hidden gust
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im guessing supporter is the highest rank now, as ud actually be paying money.
i doubt any crasher would pay money to get banned

unreal verge
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And you can see your own nameplate for a few seconds of you look up

mental lily
cold talon
turbid notch
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@dark harness How will you be able to pay ? Paypal for sure, but what else ?

frigid peak
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system is the real mastermind behind vrchat

unreal verge
dusk pier
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just run a scheme where you have to either provide personal information every hour or pay $10 to keep playing, you make money either way

stable trellis
dark harness
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We're launching with just-Steam-for-all-payments-at-first, and they support all kinds of different payment techs. I think you can literally just put rubles in an envelope and throw that envelope in the air and somehow Steam will end up with that money.

hidden gust
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yeah but compared to somethign thats free like trusted, only like 1% of the curent toxic people would do that

tawdry kindle
frigid peak
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HELL YEAH I can put myself in more debt with paypal credit

turbid notch
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We're launching with just-Steam-for-all-payments-at-first, and they support all kinds of different payment techs. I think you can literally just put rubles in an envelope and throw that envelope in the air and somehow Steam will end up with that money.
@dark harness Lmao

cold talon
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you know all that pocket change that seems to disappear all the time, yeah that's because of Steam

mental lily
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GabeTech Payments for now, looking to support ZuckPay in the future

dark harness
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Once that's up and running, the various Steam competitors we run on have APIs that I have to learn, and let me tell you I am excited to spend my next six months carefully going over even MORE payment technology API integration documentation! Yup! ... Wooo! crying

frigid peak
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I would like to point out, your merch store doesn't have a hat. I don't think at least.

devout berry
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Display names are usually pay to change in online games from what I have seen, but changing it from the system that it was until now - free with cooldown, might backfire...

BUT!!! ๐Ÿ’ก
You could make paying users to have shorter name change cooldown!!!

dark harness
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I would like to point out, your merch store doesn't have a hat. I don't think at least.
@frigid peak this is a feature, not a bug, you can just buy a vrchat shirt and cross out the "c"

stable trellis
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I love OAuth Tokens I love OAuth Tokens I love User Secret Keys I love User Secret Keys

mental lily
whole flare
thorny plume
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the trick isnt to paywall existing features, its to put new features behind vrc+

hidden gust
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VR hat

frigid peak
unreal verge
dusk sable
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the trick isnt to paywall existing features, its to put new features behind vrc+
@thorny plume this is why i wanted to know why they dindn't did this before

tawdry kindle
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Monetize a feature that automatically kicks the ugandan knuckles from public worlds if you have vrc+

thorny plume
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actually moderation tools

oak rivet
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because it's shit to make suddenly pay money for a free game, luckily this subscription is unneeded to enjoy the game!

frigid peak
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I think they could benefit from a paid name change system, 5 years from now when all of the no longer edgy people want to change their names from xXDarkLordAssassinXx can change their name.

whole flare
tawdry kindle
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Fair point, that s what got me into the game 3 years ago.

mental lily
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I'd like a feature that, if you are the host of the world, you can summon a group of ugandan knuckles player, opposite of @tawdry kindle 's request.

thorny plume
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imagine being able to moderate an instance effectively, or passing instance owner over to someone :D

frigid peak
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I would like a paid AI technology that finds ugandan knuckles and blocks them automatically

dark harness
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Imagine my surprise when we didn't know what Steam was going to call their new controllers yet and my boss just says "we're going to ship Knuckles to your house" and I was like "o_o no thank you"

mental lily
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I would like a paid AI technology that finds ugandan kunckles and invites them to your world.

coarse rock
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LMAO that's great @dark harness

cold talon
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why have a feature to remove users from an instance
just have a feature to only allow VRC+ users to join in the first place
that's right for only 14.99$ you get access to exclusive VRC+ instances first two months are only 9.99$ limited time offer ๐Ÿ•บ

whole flare
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one thing i'd wish is to have the ability for proper permanent instances. would be great for roleplay communities to have a permanent instance for everyone to just drop in/out of at any time rather then there having to be a set host every time. wouldn't mind paying for that.

dark harness
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I think a micropayments system where you pay fourty-eight US dollars to permanently eject another player from VRChat could go over pretty well. We could call it "VRChat Minus"

tawdry kindle
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I like that

stable trellis
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"The Exclusive VRC+ VIP Lounge! come swim in a bathtub of virtual money with all the most affluent VRChat users" it sells itself

hidden gust
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LMFOAOOOOO

stoic saddle
cold talon
unreal verge
dark harness
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We accept the $96 and eject both of them

tawdry kindle
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stonks!

vocal shard
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Yo man I got myself a ryzen 5

frigid peak
coarse rock
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LMAO this is honestly some great conversation

cold talon
mental lily
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VRChat Minus, the literally pay 2 win battle royale, what a way to go out boys

unreal verge
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Also custom ban message then

vocal shard
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system,

What happen if I have 75 avatars favourited and then I stop paying for vrc+
does it just keep the first 25 and remove the rest ?

coarse rock
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LMAO a pay to win BR with micro-transactions

cold talon
dark harness
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@whole flare for meetings we just use, the, uh, instance links thing I built, you can create an instance like this: https://vrchat.com/i/toast-bitesfram-6d72a and it's always there and anybody can join it at any time

inland knot
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we take the money and feed them to the voidclub regulars

tawdry kindle
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I just thought of the most evil way to monetize the game. Make low quality mirrors free and high quality mirrors VRC+ only. You guys would become millionaires over night.

cold talon
stable trellis
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Pay $30 to start a WoW style duel with another user, loser gets sent a haptic 1000V shock to their controllers

coarse rock
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Hey @dark harness sorry if this is asking too much - but how are your guys meetings in game? That must be pretty nice honestly

inland knot
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necessary ping right there

cold talon
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@inland knot

inner cape
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@inland knot

tawdry kindle
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@inland knot

whole flare
umbral reef
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@inland knot ๐Ÿ˜ณ

zinc girder
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Inb4 shaders and animations are disabled for normal users

dark harness
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Holding our meetings in VRChat is honestly so much better than holding them in any of the other telecommunications products I've used that I'm constantly disappointed that we're not the number one business tool on the planet.

inland knot
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I hate this server

unreal verge
#

@dark harness are you guys meeting in VR or desktop mode?

hidden gust
#

xD

inland knot
#

in fbt Infront of a mirror

whole flare
stable trellis
dark harness
#

Although the GPU requirements and anime jubbies and the fact that sometimes (true story) someone's bones will just UP AND WALK AWAY maybe explain why that doesn't usually happen. (it was while we were doing a bunch of stuff with IK, ok) - it's usually a mix of Desktop and VR

ebon yoke
#

man i would love to have company teams meetings in vrchat. "Hey the database is down, fix it ASAP!! Points finger at me in vrchat

mental lily
thorny plume
#

might need to cap player limits for meetings though, large conferences dont tend to work so well :P

coarse rock
#

I only could imagine. I'm pretty involved in the VRC party/club scene, so even then it's pretty nice just being able to hang out with people - let alone have some meetings in game.

graceful pewter
#

myself I've been enjoying Mozilla hubs because I can bring in pictures easily for doing meetings and it runs on the phone so that's probably more business-friendly

dark harness
#

I pushed a little on the idea of a super-boring VRChat Enterprise edition where you could just choose from a variety of boring men and women in ties and offices, but with our small team bifurcating the product like that is just asking for trouble

hidden gust
#

Change the world into VR and have school meetups in VR

cold talon
#

i mean the link is persistent but the instance is not ๐Ÿ˜”

dusk pier
#

Do VRC staff have meetings on zoom or VRC???๐Ÿคจ

inland knot
#

options are only male and female? cancelled by twitter

coarse rock
#

I wouldn't even have a meeting LMAO I would meme around so much

zinc girder
#

Why couldnโ€™t they have made VRC+ a one off payment rather than a means to monitze the addicts and no-lifers.

graceful pewter
hidden gust
#

Schools invest in VR for each student,
have videos etc easy

stable trellis
mental lily
coarse rock
#

Why couldnโ€™t they have made VRC+ a one off payment rather than a means to monitze the addicts and no-lifers.
@zinc girder What a gross comment.

frigid peak
thorny plume
#

vrc wanted userbase, and making the game a one off payment to begin with wouldve hurt it

coarse rock
#

LMAO @stable trellis I love that, you aren't wrong though

zinc girder
#

Itโ€™s the quickest way to extort big money from the no lifers lol

Pay a monthly subscription (more than ea play I might add) to sleep and wrap in vr lol

solid niche
dark harness
#

So, you can create an instance link by hitting the world up on the website, then picking your instance type from the "New Instance" menu, then clicking "Launch" and it takes you to the instance page. It's just a link, there's no true persistence to that instance - if you stack cups in that world and everybody leaves, those cups will unstack by the time you get back - and the instance will, I think, expire after about six weeks if nobody visits it.

graceful pewter
#

10 bucks a month is like 2 visit to Taco Bell they're not like charging rates to go whale hunting

urban kayak
#

Vrc+ is understandable and as long as irlts not gonna be too expensive it's fine because it doesent hinder the base game

zinc girder
urban kayak
#

It's in early access. Bugs errors etc is happening then

frigid peak
cold talon
hidden gust
#

i think its time for me to get back to work, ive been talking about this since i arrived at work xD

graceful pewter
#

game whales are more like hundreds to thousands of bucks a month

coarse rock
#

"Extort" lmao .. alright my guy.. It's not forced. If you want to pay to support devs, you can do so.

heady salmon
#

Then why are you here, Dust.

inland knot
#

ye fricc the Devs have em live off food stamps

mental lily
thorny plume
#

well id argue there is worth in paying for the game in its current state, were using servers and bandwidth, which should be reflected in the price

dark harness
#

@cold talon it'd be cheaper for both of us if you just visited the instance link in your browser every five weeks or so, which resets the timer I believe

coarse rock
#

I really dislike people basically saying "F the devs" like bro.. They aren't holding a gun to your head saying "buy VRC+"

zinc girder
flint swift
#

Lmao people spending over $1000 on vr but 10 bucks on a free game and people start crying wth

timid cairn
heady salmon
#

Why do you play it then, Dust.

thorny plume
#

an early access gesture of $10 even since 2018 was always agreeable to me

hidden gust
#

question before i go,
Do Supporters get the rank in discord too? vrcThinking

cold talon
#

dw ill get VRC+ to pay for the uptime and bandwidth

gleaming kraken
#

I canโ€™t spend 1000 dollars, thatโ€™s why Iโ€™m complaining

unreal verge
frigid peak
stable trellis
zinc girder
gleaming kraken
#

Not all of us complaining are ones with expensive setups m8

thorny plume
#

im looking forward to stuttering every 30 seconds tonight when I host a party

cold talon
urban kayak
#

I would argue that the game now is in a way better state then it was 2 years ago from a performance and technical stand point as well as multi platform

coarse rock
#

Honestly, could the game probably been optimized better, etc? Definitely. Am I hopping on the hate train the moment they introduce a method of monetization? nah. Imma wait a couple of weeks with VRC+ and see what happens.

stable trellis
whole flare
zinc girder
cold talon
#

oh cool

gleaming kraken
#

@urban kayak no xD ever since they removed the 20k limit on tris my performance has been worse than ever

dark harness
#

Hey now. I'm not just a crappy developer. I'm an extremely crappy developer.

heady salmon
#

I now know what to call my sea salt water refinery; VRChat Users Tears.

unreal verge
#

I may buy VRC+ for one month to try it out for an extended period of time outside of beta

hollow sluice
#

that parry.

whole flare
stable trellis
gleaming kraken
#

Iโ€™m just gonna get the early adopter and then cancel

hidden gust
#

Also i'd love to know if the animation cancel when walking/ spinning on the same hand is a bug or implementation ;w; its the only thing that annoys me

unreal verge
#

Btw, will early supporter stay even if the subscription runs out? Like on Discord?

urban kayak
#

I mean back then everyone bypassed the poly limit xD it was literally deleting 1 line of code in the sdk

zinc girder
flint swift
#

Sure theres stuff that can be done better but you do realise that the game is litterally community content... when it comes to performance its mainly on the community rather than the devs...

gleaming kraken
#

Yeah and it wasnโ€™t official back then idiot xD

thorny plume
#

my biggest gripe is the game performance being brought to its knees every time you have a sizeable gathering of players, something to do with IK network data holding up the rendering of frames? single threaded stuff perchance

cold talon
#

there is one thing that would make the game so much better, that is fixing the ik execution order component ๐Ÿ˜”
the spider avatars need your help

whole flare
flint swift
#

Like 2 years ago 90fps was easy because models werenโ€™t ridiculous and have like a million draw calls

heady salmon
#

more like return-to-toxicity, cause ya gotta go back in the poison vat you crawled out of.

desert stratus
#

okay cmon backend is hard from what ive heard :< also thats your own damn fault if youre going to get around hardlimits for performance sake and then comment on it anyway like its a dev problem lol

coarse rock
#

Like 2 years ago 90fps was easy because models werenโ€™t ridiculous and have like a million draw calls
@flint swift I guess people don't realize how much VRChat content is created and uploaded by the community.

leaden agate
dark harness
#

I've (and by me, I mean mostly someone else) been working on systems to make sure that specific perks stay with your account forever after buying VRChat+, and I think by and large the stuff that you think should stay with your account ("Early Supporter badge") is in that list

desert stratus
#

its a vr game too, you cant afford - literally cant afford to bash heavy assets in like its nothing

devout berry
#

...
HMMM!!! Monetize usage of high poly avatars! You want to lag? Pay up! ๐Ÿคฃ

zinc girder
dark harness
#

And... I mean, I'm not a five star chef, but if someone serves me a hot turd I usually only tip, like, 12% tops

desert stratus
#

honesly please do that. make it so theres an extra 99+ mo subscription if you want to get past sdk hard limits

frigid peak
thorny plume
#

several communities I'm in have banned high material count avatars already

unreal verge
devout berry
#

Also, I meant only the ridiculous ones - high detail OK, but going overboard should have consequences.

dark harness
#

As of right now, the user icon will vanish the very second your money dries up

cold talon
#

most likely poof out of existence

stable trellis
whole flare
zinc girder
#

Make uploading avatars premium and charge extra for any asset that isnโ€™t a basic model.
Cash money โ€œeat those tearsโ€

cold talon
#

1 dollar per every additional material per instance visited, now we talking

urban kayak
#

One thing you vrc Devs need to do things redesign the menus because with the new vrc+ stuff that shit is getting cramped xD

dark harness
#

You'll keep the collection on our servers, but lose the ability to select 'em

whole flare
leaden agate
#

i personally try to stick with maximum 500 ish collision checks for dynbones and 20 materials; and compared to some other avatars i am performancewise nice to ppl ๐Ÿ˜„

gleaming kraken
#

They are xD @urban kayak

solid niche
unreal verge
#

@urban kayak they already do that

stable trellis
deft girder
zinc girder
unreal verge
urban kayak
#

Nice didn't know about it, alrighty

desert stratus
#

upset everyone? shit id do anything to make people who bash in shitmmd who refuse to fix their assets leave lol

gleaming kraken
#

Kill the creators that are killing the frames

mental lily
#

@dark harness Read your server engineer position page, very tempted.. ๐Ÿ˜ญ

eager galleon
#

They be putting out this VRC+ bullshit while the game ain't even optimized

thorny plume
#

if the creator community is pushing out 50 material behemoths, they deserve killing

pseudo basalt
#

But egirl avatar worlds are the lifeblood of vrchat

hollow sluice
#

@covert chasm well. I wanna support the game but you better beef up your security. There are people who will specifically crash any vrc+ user in a lobby now. The groups are already forming.

regal turtle
#

VRC+ could be good but the price is just way to high imo

zinc girder
desert stratus
#

pumkin has the true take and that makes me so fucking mad lol

stable trellis
frigid peak
coarse rock
#

^

eager galleon
#

They should half the price of VRC+ 5$M/50$Y

zinc girder
regal turtle
#

half the price would already be a great improvement

gleaming kraken
#

Put up donations then, not a subscription service. We are willing to give money, just not for the sake of getting requested features.

heady salmon
#

Jam knows whats up. Dust just wants to be toxic.

whole flare
desert stratus
#

vrchat + should be giftable like reddit gold. place already feels like a sub, itll work out

cold talon
#

peps making world hopping crash bots that detect users with vrc+ accounts ๐Ÿ˜ฐ

unreal verge
eager galleon
#

Ya'll here bootlickers, a premium service is usually introduced after the games fully released a.k.a optimized

thorny plume
#

i'd be happy to pay $5 a month right now but I would like to see some commitments to performance improvements and optimisations, lots of "and more soon!" announced without any real detail

regal turtle
coarse rock
#

I really like the idea of it being giftable

hollow sluice
#

@unreal verge clients dont care about safety settings or particle limits

desert stratus
#

th-that was a joke

stable trellis
zinc girder
# whole flare av3.0

Except itโ€™s not done. And requires you to relearn half the process........

frigid peak
solid niche
gleaming kraken
#

@regal turtle you are missing the point, this whole thing is scummy. Killing the people using clients and then selling back the features.

whole flare
thorny plume
#

if you want to kill the clients, just put access to the API behind VRC+

zinc girder
gleaming kraken
#

I donโ€™t support clients but charging people after killing them is scummy

west yoke
shell bear
#

thats pretty neat towneh

regal turtle
hollow sluice
#

html machine broke

zinc girder
west yoke
cold talon
#

<small>โฟแถฆแถœแต‰ แต—สณสธ /small>
oh shit it worked

gleaming kraken
#

@west yoke I never said they should, itโ€™s just the way they went about it is wrong.

zinc girder
devout berry
#

Is it really so resource heavy to put something like Denuovo anti-tamper in VRC? Anti-tamper could kill moders...

hollow sluice
#

how

thorny plume
#

vrc dont have to provide a full open api to free accounts anyway, make it a paid feature so there's real risk to your account and monetary loss if you abuse it

solid niche
pseudo basalt
#

"I just use them for qol fixes" uses antikick

west yoke
zinc girder
solid niche
sterile summit
#

Imagine if you had to pay to upload an avatar, that'd be horrible.

gleaming kraken
#

Pay to upload unoptimized garbage

leaden agate
#

i mean, i can understand some ppl using clients (if they are using it in a good way) - to be able to disable dynamic bones for everyone except friends sounds really nice for performance ๐Ÿ˜•

west yoke
thorny plume
#

free users can have a restricted api instead, simple access in order to provide content

urban kayak
#

The point of vrchat is to freely create content. It's no point in gatekeeping the user generated content that is keeping the game alive. If anything better tools and tutorials to optimize avatars and world's would be great

amber juniper
#

Let's just hope that they spend that money to finally fix some outstanding bugs and feature requests since years. But for EVERYONE, and not just VRC+ stuff...

desert stratus
#

umagine if you had to pay 200 us to upload 100k tri 60 drawcall avatars. the unironic dream

frigid peak
cold talon
#

paying to upload only to realize that the avatar does not work tanabae

coarse rock
#

imagine

stable trellis
#

yeah so you know how content creators are usually paid for their work, lets just instead make content creators pay US for the privilege of providing content to the game.

makes literally zero sense what some of y'all are suggesting

gleaming kraken
#

The very poor unoptimized avatars are hurting this game. End of story. Make it harder to upload.

karmic rose
#

Is it really so resource heavy to put something like Denuovo anti-tamper in VRC? Anti-tamper could kill moders...
@devout berry

Denuvo is no stop. It's been defeated many times and really only hinders the average user, not those who wish to do ill will.

desert stratus
#

see heres the thing. its not the vrchat dev team's job to necessarily provide better tools and tutorials for optimization. the few i can think of - and by few i mean one - is the ever requested "dyn bone alternative"

coarse rock
#

yeah so you know how content creators are usually paid for their work, lets just instead make content creators pay US for the privilege of providing content to the game.

makes literally zero sense what some of y'all are suggesting
@stable trellis this sh*t right here lmao

thorny plume
#

being called a content creator and kitbashing a tda model with 50 materials

solid niche
devout berry
#

Is there even ANY useful anti-tamper, or is it all just an annoying piece of broken security code? XD @karmic rose

desert stratus
#

making qssets for this game isnt like modding, say, minecraft, where every step is specialized and warrants a careful flow and careful documentation to work out

west yoke
whole flare
stable trellis
dark harness
#

A content creator who kitbashes a 600,000 poly glom of hot garbage one day is a professional artist a year later, and VRChat is, we believe, a crucial step on that ladder

thorny plume
#

the problem is the game has to load their avatar in order to block it

desert stratus
#

the vrchat sdk (or cck more accurately) is largely just a way for getting already existing industry-standard (or rather, expecting industry standard) content to be imported into game

devout berry
#

Pity that there is not something that would hold the mods and ripping away...

thorny plume
#

when you host a 60-80 player instance and people join with v.poor avatars that you're already blocking, and you just get constant lag spikes having to download their assets...

pseudo basalt
stable trellis
unreal verge
#

I block every avatar for non-friends so they don't even start to download for me

amber juniper
#

the most annoying thing is, those people crying: "Devs, optimize!" are also those who don't listen if you try to explain them why it is so unoptimized in the first place...

whole flare
dark harness
#

I'm working on a new project that'll crush every avatar down to 100 polys whether you like it or not, anyways, ETA 2022, look forward to it

solid niche
desert stratus
#

the stuff that goes into making 3d models wasnt settled by the guy who makes your favorite egirl avatar. the standards for 3d models for vrchat apply to other similar live-render services, aka more video games or vr games specifically. what im trying to get at is that the tutorials and tools for optimizing vrchat content already exist, just that it goes beyond just "the devs making it easier." this isnt just making something for vrchat, this is making good content which can then be added to vrchat. it's a player's responsibility to put in id say the majority of the work in optimization as a result

thorny plume
#

no we're crying, "devs allow us to moderate other players lack of optimiation better" i.e. cant even join the world or switch to an avatar that is superbad

stable trellis
amber juniper
vocal shard
#

so where can you get VRC+?

dark harness
#

every where you go it'll play the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 soundtrack

that's not even an intentional feature, I just can't figure out how to make it stop

mental lily
#

ahaha

desert stratus
#

and it always will be, because these are "rules" that exist beyond vrchat. A shit kitbash wont just perform bad in vrchat, it will also perform bad in your favorite competitors including cvr, neos, etc. and any other games that are not strictly VR

amber juniper
pseudo basalt
graceful pewter
#

yeah having better Network code isn't going to do diddly-squat for draw call monstrosities

dark harness
#

(right now you can't get VRC+, we'll launch it as soon as the open beta is over and everything stops being on fire, but you can try out the open beta right now I think?)

thorny plume
#

i mean right now its fun I guess, I play whack-a-mole kicking everyone that doesnt switch out vpoor when they join a dance party

whole flare
stable trellis
dark harness
#

Pretty dang soon. The longer it goes without launching the more stress I'm under.

umbral reef
#

Hey system
Il give you 2 new ram sticks if you get us an Udon system that allows us to kick Vpoor performing avatars ๐Ÿ‘€

unreal verge
#

Inb4 it launches tomorrow

umbral reef
#

Sunday launches ๐Ÿ˜ณ

thorny plume
#

the client downloading a small metafile describing their avatar so it can prevent it being loaded? that sounds too good, hire this man/woman :<

whole flare
#

@dark harness also loving the random shitposts you keep throwing out inbetween things. they're pure gold.

solid niche
amber juniper
hidden gust
#

wait system ur working on something that forces an avatars polies down? ๐Ÿค”

polar lichen
#

being able to distinguish plus users from within the world is just asking for people to either A) create worlds that are plus-only (which would be bad), or B) create worlds specifically to troll people who are plus by either griefing or kicking them (which would also be bad)

dark harness
#

I was joking, I'm not smart enough for that.

It would be really cool if we could do that - but the problem - not an insurmountable problem - is that in order to analyze the avatars we need... Unity, running on Windows, we need some sweet sweet GPU, we need those servers integrated with our all-linux-backend, and we need a video game developer who can write headless applications that run in a nice tidy fixed memory space and don't ever, ever crash, no matter what kind of nonsense you throw at them

cold talon
#

imagine having server side decimation tanabae

frigid peak
#

I mean I wouldn't mind a plus only door in a world.

solid niche
stable trellis
dark harness
#

let me tell you, server-side GPUs are ungodly expensive. We've priced out systems that do this as being as expensive as everything else we're doing

thorny plume
#

the other culprit are people using large avatar file sizes or older uploaded where noone gets warned about legacy blend shapes, if everyone joined a world with 100MB avatars then even in a 40 player instance, you need to download 4GB lol

hidden gust
#

i hear alot of "But polies dont affect performance"
i really dont know the answer to that.
Such thing could be interesting and worrying.

thorny plume
#

I was looking at the old "unoptimised" miku avatars people used to use back in late 2017 and they're all 3MB in size

dark harness
#

I've actually pitched wild, nonsense schemes, like having trusted users compile the metadata on other users they see and sending us the metadata so that we don't have to run a GPU cloud

cold talon
mental lily
whole flare
unreal verge
#

World creators shouldn't decide based on VRC+ which privileges someone gets

umbral reef
amber juniper
leaden agate
#

about the polies it actually depends i think how the polies are set up. if you got some crazy faces it adds on calculations during deforms

dark harness
#

We could but for the same reason that users can (and do) lie about their poly-count...

hidden gust
#

thing is not even something like blender can reduce avatar polies without breaking blendshapes

silver meteor
#

i want to play vrchat in vr but idk what headset to buy any recommendations?

graceful pewter
#

actually someone is working on a cat's extension that seems to do okay at not breaking the blend shapes

hidden gust
#

atleast from my experience, i use old blender (2.79)

dark harness
#

That being said, I've also pitched a scheme like that because.... I mean, our creators have a GPU cluster. They ARE a GPU cluster.

stable trellis
mental lily
cold talon
#

we, lie about poly count, no never ๐Ÿ˜…

thorny plume
#

the problem is trusting users

dark harness
#

Trusting their numbers is probably not worse than not having any numbers in the first place

amber juniper
frigid peak
dark harness
#

But... you bet your boots some users are going to pack a million polys and every material they can find into a avatar and then cheat it up to fake Very Good status

hidden gust
#

look at my avatars now, they're mostly optimised :)
usually good-poor if it has a bunch of things on it

amber juniper
#

it's not a perfect solution, but it's better than no solution

whole flare
graceful pewter
cold talon
#

but yeah, filtering users based on trust rank is not a good idea, just filter based on hardware combo

stable trellis
mental lily
amber juniper
dark harness
#

I also pitched , like, instead of doing hard crunching on our side, having our users do the hard crunching and maybe we do some less-hard verification? Maybe there's some sort of cryptographic signing we could do to verify that the numbers you send us match the thing you sent us? I dunno, maybe that's nothing

unreal verge
#

All my avatars in my favorites are very poor rip

valid depot
#

if I pay for plus, will I be able to hide it in-game? I like the idea of helping economically since this game is an important part of my life now, but I don't like the social superiority it could give to some people, so I don't wanna show it.

cold talon
dark harness
#

Unfortunately, our server team are terrible graphics programmers and our graphics team are terrible server programmers and so when half of us are talking the other half are like "what in the absolute green heckadarn is a 'shader' "

whole flare
#

lol

hidden gust
#

xd

stable trellis
graceful pewter
#

okay stupid question could you hire someone who's okay at both to translate

dark harness
#

Somewhere out there is a half-server-dev-half-graphics-dev werewolf and we will find this beast and we will hire them ๐Ÿ˜›

amber juniper
solid niche
thorny plume
#

the server creating a footprint file based on the avatar that is uploaded, and some sort of interrogation of the asset that doesnt rely on user trust

mental lily
stable trellis
dark harness
#

I like crowdsourced metadata gathering as a strategy ๐Ÿค” I'm going to steal that idea, promise not to sue me

thorny plume
#

and tie it to a timestamp, so as long as the metadata is newer than the last uploaded timestamp it will persist

umbral reef
#

Quick pattent it!

cold talon
#

quick before he implements it

stable trellis
#

system hire me today and not only will i not sue, i will also learn what the word "blit" means and how "OAuth" works, and report back vrcSunglasses

mental lily
thorny plume
#

then if the avatar is freshly uploaded, redo the method for a new metadata file

amber juniper
wispy solstice
#

Hello, I'm beginner, how to play vrchat on vr mobile?

white cairn
#

oi some of us server devs can draw >_>

umbral reef
cold talon
amber juniper
#

of course, the metadata needs to be updated it a modell gets updated

thorny plume
#

yeah thus if the server knows the timestamp of when it was last updated then it will know when it needs to gather new metadata

amber juniper
dark harness
#

Our existing tries have focused around inspecting the uploaded packages, and they've achieved promising results ... and not particularly promising stability

wispy solstice
covert chasm
#

oh my god system have you been giving these people ideas for the past hour in here

thorny plume
#

i guess the only problem is you would rely on the clients to provide truthful reporting of the avatar, if that can be amended somehow in a nefarious way...

dark harness
#

i'm sorry so many people were saying things that I knew the answer to

covert chasm
#

oh ok please continue

cold talon
valid depot
#

if I pay for plus, will I be able to hide it in-game? I like the idea of helping economically since this game is an important part of my life now, but I don't like the social superiority it could give to some people, so I don't wanna show it.

stable trellis
cold talon
#

Tupper, System is stealing out monetization ideas plez help

thorny plume
#

just make tupper a reference

stable trellis
#

yes i'll just write "Tupper" in the reference line and leave it up to HR to figure that one out

amber juniper
dark harness
#

VRChat's end credits are just going to be every creator who's ever uploaded anything at all, and it's going to take 22 hours to watch the whole thing and half-way through someone's going to realize it's a huge privacy violation because I accidentally included their email addresses and home phone numbers

whole flare
#

also. a quick question to the devs since they're reading chat. is it or is it not allowed to make tools that communicate with the VRC backend api? (granted that it's non-malicious ofcourse) i just want to be sure before i end up doing anything that can get me in trouble.

leaden agate
#

ive got one other question though, how often do you look into the feedback into the bug report section?

sterile summit
#

Only 22 hours to watch the whole thing?

jolly ether
#

I'd watch it with the bois

devout berry
#

Phone VR is not really Virtual Reallity.
Its more a looking around video system.
Sadly you wont be able to play unless yo do some really odd and strange setups that are really hard to do.
@umbral reef Iriun VR + XBOX controller works - it gives you 3D picture with 3DOF tracking combined with XBOX controller desktop mode controls.

desert stratus
#

would be a fuck of a lot longer than 22

dark harness
#

The ruling on API access of that nature is that it's "allowed" unless I notice it

cold talon
#

22h is quite little actually

coarse portal
#

๐Ÿ‹

dark harness
#

I get hundreds of thousands of API calls a day and so doing something that's obvious enough for someone on my team to notice takes a concerted effort

whole flare
umbral reef
dark harness
#

Yeah, pretty much

cold talon
#

you severely underestimate the number of alt accounts i have System

solid niche
dark harness
#

That's highly discouraged. We don't usually get nasty about those cases - I know some people have created objects in API zones that aren't live - but when you do that our small but fiery security team notices and makes my life harder >_>

graceful pewter
#

I was wondering out of idle curiosity how many maps have been uploaded to vrchat

cold talon
mental lily
#

loooooool

devout berry
#

I don't see anything hard on that - install app on phone, install PC server, start the app while being on the same network as the PC (connected to the same router), plugin the controller, start SteamVR and GO... @umbral reef (Sry for normal pings, idk how to do replys...)

solid niche
dark harness
#

Yep.

#

And we don't promise to keep any particular interface stable or working.

sterile summit
#

Am I allowed to pre-order VRC+?

dark harness
#

We don't even keep that promise to the client (video game team) >_>

jolly ether
#

ohai wilk

umbral reef
dark harness
#

You can't pre-order VRC+, and if you don't buy it before we run out of stock you might not get it!

#

I just checked our supplies and - you wouldn't believe it- they are limited!

mental lily
#

aw damn, 2020 is the year of product shortages..

sterile summit
#

This is like the Nintendo Switch all over again

leaden agate
graceful pewter
#

well it's not like you guys can afford a terribly big Warehouse as y'all are in a shoebox

stable trellis
#

welp im gonna go to bed its been fun, VRC team ill send you my CV for Server Engineer once i figure out how to read network diagrams. congrats on the announcement good night good luck with the angry people ha

dark harness
#

we are, however, going to somehow send one streamer 48 copies which they will not know what to do with

brisk bone
#

Better setup my Sneakerbots to buy VRC+ subscriptions..

cold talon
#

wow, what are you storing the file on, 200kb drive?

solid niche
graceful pewter
#

do they even make 200kb drives

valid depot
leaden agate
devout berry
#

Weird... I have the right Discord, it even shows replys, but I don't have the reply button there...

mental lily
#

When you do manage to have extra supply, please make VRC+ giftable. I'd gift it to so many randos

cold talon
#

nah too many accounts can fit on that one
need more scarcity vrcAevSlap

jolly ether
#

I think gifting was touched on, reply was "not yet" so probably later or never

dark spindle
#

Hi

sterile summit
#

Hello

mental lily
#

Definitely wouldn't expect it to be a launch feature, but eventually would be nice, aha

white cairn
#

Can we make VRC+ allow you to rename yourself to a squatted name sat on by an ancient visitor pls

dark harness
#

I don't think that we're planning on shipping any ability to hide your VRChat+-iness.
Gifting is definitely an idea that we are aware of, but I'm really not allowed to talk about our roadmap

sterile summit
#

Just put it in a card and ship it to their house

umbral reef
#

Any updates on the particle limiting system being directly implemented in the performance system we have ๐Ÿ‘€ ?

karmic rose
#

Seems a lot would love the ability to hide the +. I hope it makes it in down the road if not at launch.

whole flare
amber juniper
jolly ether
#

me too ๐Ÿ‘€

mental lily
visual kayak
#

People have been talking about targeting VRC+ users.

verbal meteor
#

I imagine for gifting you can just use the steam token system at least until you get other platforms up, and have it appear in your friends steam account as a gift.

solid niche
#

Can I pay with Bitcoin?

whole flare
dark spindle
#

Okay Iโ€™m gonna say one thing, if you eventually have to pay in game to upload avatars that will ruin the entire game

mental lily
amber juniper
#

yeah...

dark harness
#

Yeah, we know that would ruin the entire game.

cold talon
#

BTW System, do you remember last year about the "system_kind_of_a_wad" tag?
any news on its origins? why is it there, are there more users with it? does it grant super user powers?

leaden agate
# whole flare let them.

"let them" easier said than done, i dont wanna be a target of that "hey, let me drop 100million portals on your head" script kiddies if I support vrc

dark spindle
visual kayak
#

I think being able to hide the badge will be a good feature to add. Legitimately, it would just add more toxicity to the community if they don't add it.

umbral reef
cold talon
#

๐Ÿ˜ฐ

dark harness
#

does a database search

#

I know that I applied that to SOMEONE for SOME REASON

#

like admin_eternally_cursed I believe it is meaningless

cold talon
#

so it was you!

dark harness
#

I mean

#

corporate corporate

#

it was an automated process

mental lily
#

lmfao

cold talon
#

time to tell ghosto ๐Ÿƒ

visual kayak
#

Lmao inb4 one of my viewers pays a dev to add the lies_about_cuteness tag to me

white cairn
#

I just want the squares in nametags gone :<

cold talon
#

ngl, we always suspected ruuuubick to be the one who requested the tag

visual kayak
#

Squares? You mean the unicode missing character squares?

karmic rose
#

I just want the squares in nametags gone :<
@white cairn Squares?

dark harness
#

I don't know what you're talking abโ–ฏโ–ฏโ–ฏโ–ฏt

visual kayak
#

LMAO

white cairn
#

Yeah it's because VRC has changed policy and blocked certain characters, but players w/ those characters in their name tags now will appear w/ a unicode missing character instead of the old way of just having an empty space. Used by quite a lot of people and apparently it's intentional ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

inland knot
#

No, vrchat devs just like squares

solid niche
white cairn
#

no-no squares for everyone

cold talon
#

not even squares smh, they rectangles

inland knot
#

ok furry

visual kayak
#

Yeโ–ฏh, gโ–ฏโ–ฏd thโ–ฏng tโ–ฏโ–ฏ. โ–ฏnโ–ฏcโ–ฏdโ–ฏ spโ–ฏm wโ–ฏs dโ–ฏmb

karmic rose
#

I haven't actually seen this in 4K hours... Must be a major, wide spread issue.

cold talon
dark harness
#

yeah, there was an ongoing and frustrating security issue where I refused to support any less than 100% of unicode, and the client could only display, like, 18 alphanumeric characters and nothing else, so people would be like "hey, I'm "๐Ÿ–ทSystem๐Ÿ–ท" and that'd show up fine on the website and in the client they'd be "System" and THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

visual kayak
#

ALso, the annoying Entity members with Crosses in their nametag that have the super loud intros? UGH.

karmic rose
#

Lol XD That's a whole nother can o worms King

inland knot
#

Yeah they should focus on fixing the square issue, who cares about individual volume sliders verysoon

cold talon
#

wow, bricking the entire thing instead of supporting it ingame too :^(

dark harness
#

I kept holding the line on "i'm not going to restrict unicode until one of you mugs can provide me a list of every character from every human alphabet containing no invalid glyphs" which was a big request and then one of our new employees was like "yeah, unicode character ranges, ez, no problem"

inland knot
#

by the way system can we get reactions to messages back

visual kayak
#

"A member of โœŸ๐”ผโ„•๐•‹๐•€๐•‹๐•โœŸ has joined your lobby. Notice us, we hate ourselves so we seek validation from others and crash people who don't give it to us"

white cairn
#

But this breaks people's names which is a core domain

karmic rose
#

Sometimes ya have to crack a few eggs....

dark harness
#

so then, having defeated me, they started trying to address the problem of what to do about glyphs that were not displayable in client and did some actually pretty good font work there to make more of them displayable, and take stuff that normally would be invalid and turn it into โ–ฏ

cold talon
#

nu uh, you aint touching my eggs

dark harness
#

new employees: smort

vocal shard
#

i have pretty fancy stars in my name that show up in game ๐Ÿ˜Ž

amber juniper
dark harness
#

this is why we need your money: we use it to hire more competent people

visual kayak
#

I mean, @dark harness COuldn't they have set it to display a 0-width space instead

#

Like, that's what I'D do if possible

dark harness
#

eventually they will defeat me in single unarmed one-man combat in the greased arena that is my domain, and I will step down and work on... veterinary software in Elixir or something

white cairn
whole flare
solid niche
cold talon
amber juniper
visual kayak
#

@dark harness If I wasn't a complete amateur I'd work for you, I love learning new things. But I'd inevitably end up creating some AUTHENTIC italian-style code

dark harness
#

it's the constant re-greasings that set us back

proud acorn
#

When can we buy plus?

jolly ether
#

soonโ„ข๏ธ

whole flare
boreal marsh
#

will the hide nameplate button still work?

cold talon
#

Money is just like grease, they both dry out over time
~System 1997

dark harness
#

The Open Beta hasn't revealed any horrifying bugs, and we're definitely not frantically building necessary features even now, just days before our intended launch cough

vocal shard
#

So its going live in days? ๐Ÿ‘€

jolly ether
#

yes, somewhere between 1 and 1 billion of them

dark harness
#

In fact, having thousands and thousands of people trying out a feature that we were working on as recently as 2:00pm today has gone swimmingly and exactly zero of my servers are actively on fire right now

#

_>

cold talon
#

days not weeks
weeks not months
-chairs update 2020

dark harness
#

<_<

amber juniper
visual kayak
#

At least I wouldn't be YandereDev

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vocal shard
#

Can we hide the vrc+ features? cause I don't want to have a profile pic

graceful pewter
#

yeah the only thing on fire seems to be public Lounge

jolly ether
#

^

mental lily
dark harness
#

ha ha

graceful pewter
#

anyone have any hypothesis why this room is more chill

dark harness
#

I built a system of my own devising in 2016 that's half-ansible, half-python script, and is deserving of the name "unbelievably shitty kubernetes"

golden scaffold
#

... is it safe here? monkaEyes

dark harness
#

we've been running on USK for years now

mental lily
jolly ether
#

if people flame the chat with the devs in it they'll get muted, duh

dark harness
#

we even transitioned from DigitalOcean to AWS on USK

cold talon
visual kayak
graceful pewter
#

anyone have any hypothesis why this room is more chill

whole flare
#

public is a tox filter for the channels below

mental lily
cold talon
dusk mesa
karmic rose
#

After trying the Beta for a bit. I like the ability to take a custom photo for use as an Icon, or upload one from the computer. However, I wish they would push this one step further, and use peoples current Icon as their social image in the Social menus. It would be a lot more personal and identifiable than a pic of their current/last used avatar.

twin cave
#

hey lets ruin the chill pepegalaugh๐Ÿ‹

visual kayak
jolly ether
#

is there something I missed with lemons

hasty nacelle
#

What would you have if you don't get vrc+ as a pfp. Would you have a preset one or none at all.

amber juniper
twin cave
#

this vrchat subscription is fucking idiot why would you waste $10 a month for a profile picture though

cold talon
#

oh btw what would make it even gudder, make it possible to upload gifs or Apng

mental lily
karmic rose
#

So often I have to change avatars before I log off just because I don't want that as my social image. And the Icons look way nicer and more modern.

hasty nacelle
#

But you have to pay

twin cave
#

the idea seems fine but why $10 a month? why not maybe $5 one time?

whole flare
graceful pewter
#

because 5 bucks one time doesn't pay the rent

twin cave
#

a non-subscription based dlc thing would make the idea a bit more approachable though i mean

amber juniper
cedar abyss
#

System, thank you for your work, that is all had to say. Good Night good people

karmic rose
#

Currently sure, you have to pay. however, I could see an easy system of allowing free users one icon, or a much more limited number.

frigid peak
jolly ether
#

nini Kyuubi

hasty nacelle
#

Well no I just didn't see anything new other then that

dark harness
#

oh shiiiiiips it's 4AM

tiny trail
#

I think 5 per month would've been fair still, that being said it's still far from being horrible

dark harness
#

good thing I don't have to work in the morning

#

... wait

twin cave
#

oh yeah let me post on a fully dev-moderated forum nice try i dont truth them

amber juniper
cold talon
jolly ether
#

servers are probably fine, go bed

whole flare
dark harness
#

i slept once

#

it was terrible

sterile summit
#

Do you even get days off System?

twin cave
jolly ether
#

sleeping is just diet death

visual kayak
twin cave
#

i have gone off the deep end

cold talon
tiny trail
#

I REALLY hope that this will bring servers to europe as an option, the ping is pretty high for us europeans

dark harness
#

Technically yes, I get weekends off, and paid vacation too, but also I somehow won the prize of being the top escalation of the on-call rotation forever

amber juniper
dark harness
#

I am the final boss that system outages have to defeat

mental lily
#

Wish I could check out your USK system, System. Would be really cool to see how everything's set up! Or maybe I'd cringe and live in panic that such an awesome game is standing on a house of cards ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

amber juniper
jolly ether
#

system's health bar is how many cups of coffee they've consumed prior to facing the system outages

cold talon
#

actually, how much of the money from VRC+ will go into buying you sleep?

amber juniper
#

don't forget: ALWAYS plug the coffee machine in to a UPS

dark harness
#

Maybe some of it? There are, like, tiered success rankings

#

If we get less than (small percent) of our userbase involved, we still might be able to offset our staggering server costs, which means we mostly stay in equilibrium and get to go longer before asking for more money.
If we get (a surprisingly low but definitely achievable percentage) of our userbase involved, we could hit something approaching break-even and keep steady-stating the game for a while so long as we don't get huge
... and those are the two options, as I see them

#

there's also "wild, lucrative success" but... I mean, what are the odds

hasty nacelle
#

Purley out of curiosity, why did they choose say, 10$ a month, as oppose to like 5-10$ dollars once and then you have it?

whole flare
#

can we get a remark entry field when buying VRC+ so we can request the money goes to getting you some sleep or at the very least a quality coffee machine to keep you going :P?

dark harness
#

I have no idea! If it cuts our sales in half, we'll have broken even, though! ๐Ÿ˜›

cold talon
#

time to buy your own servers, no more ultra high cost unity_chan_dab

dark harness
#

oh, wait, $5 once and then you have it, yeah, we never considered that because the servers and employees keep charging us every month

vocal shard
#

Idk how much of this you can answer Sys, but with the new nameplates, does this mean all visible traces of the rank system will now be gone? Or will it still display visitor, new user, etc

visual kayak
humble totem
broken plover
#

I have an idea, just throwing it in here, maybe there could be an extra tab in the safety settings for vrc+ supporters, because theyre less likely to have any malicous intents?

leaden agate
white cairn
#

TCL should be in yellow I think

humble totem
deft girder
#

๐Ÿ˜„

visual kayak
dark harness
#

If VRC+ is causing people to get targeted, we'll definitely consider some sort of countermeasure. I'm thinking some kind of... little rocket?

cold talon
#

dont even talk to me if you dont have VRC+
legendary rank is no longer enough, + or bust

broken plover
#

oh yeah I didnt even think of that...

jolly ether
#

I like little rockets

vocal shard
#

Yeah if all the features are not set in stone yet then I do agree 5 a month is probably more fair, and if you do like discord and have both a 5 and 10 dollar tier, then I think more people would be willing to support.

I've been watching a lot of the conversation around this now and it seems like most do agree on that.

dark harness
humble totem
broken plover
#

a rocket that kicks and reports client users automatically

jolly ether
#

just add mods perms to vrc+ users, 5head

dark harness
#

did you know that for a while we had a button that called a mod, like, to your current location and everything? and we had one mod and, suddenly, 10,000 users?

#

boy was that mod ever busy

vocal shard
#

Lmao I remember

humble totem
mental lily
#

hahahaha jeeeez

dark harness
#

I think he still might be tracking down those pings to this very day

jolly ether
#

lmao

broken plover
#

I remember that button, but I never pressed it (because I never needed it)
but I always wondered, what if you called a mod just because you're lonely? lol

hasty nacelle
#

I heard a thing that you need vrcplus to actually have your rank show. Because "technically" I'm a veteran user, since I played the game so long, but like is it true? I'm mostly worried about the implications of it all. Like people taking there trusted user bragging to another level of stupidity.

dark harness
#

I did some rotations in that and some people would call a mod because people were playing Steel N' Gold in small avatars

jolly ether
#

hey that's an idea, an "I'm lonely send help" for people who have a hard time socializing in big groups XD

visual kayak
white cairn
#

New VRC+ feature: TupperPhone

dark harness
#

I was like "I'm ... not sure how to adjudicate this"

#

"hey you... be... bigger"

amber juniper
vocal shard
#

Oh and what happened to that snow map you guys had? The king of the hill one, will that see a return any time soon?

dark harness
#

I really don't have the temperament to mod, it's good that I don't have those powers anymore

cold talon
#

Steel N' Gold oh man what memories

vocal shard
#

I spent many many hours in Steel'n Gold

white cairn
#

Hang on, if you don't have mod powers how can the system kick people vrcThinking

dark harness
#

Almost all of our fun game maps depended on custom C# code and we're trying as hard as we can to push for Udon supremacy instead - rather than "special event locations", we have a "if we can build it, you can build it too" ethos

visual kayak
vocal shard
#

how about no

white cairn
#

Udon Combat System updates when

cold talon
#

^

visual kayak
vocal shard
#

I just suggest everyone to use OBS when playing vrc tbh, makes it that much easier for them to dish out punishment

dark harness
#

We have, but that's part of the long-pushed-off group system where users would form their own communities and eventually turn on themselves and create Animal Farm like dystopias where only the strong and corrupt survive - you know, like reddit

jolly ether
#

lul

visual kayak
cold talon
#

oh, guilds yeah i remember that feature. sad to see it go

visual kayak
#

Although a Trusted Flagger system might do some good, possibly.

deft girder
vocal shard
#

Definitely not for trusted users

mental lily
vocal shard
#

I find trusted users to be more toxic than everyone else most of the time, lmao

visual kayak
#

Agreed. When I say "trusted Flagger," I mean a user hand picked by the VRchat team, that they trust to give extremely accurate reports.

jovial dirge
#

More jaded maybe

vocal shard
#

its always either a purple or a white user that is the most toxic person in the game

mental lily
# vocal shard Definitely not for trusted users

Ideally the way a trusted flagger system would work is nothing tied to the trust system, it simply is a scoring system that weighs how many users flagged by the user actually panned out into an actionable offense, so the more successful flags, the more valuable your flags are. It essentially just amounts to how to sort the list of reports the mod sees so that the priority ones go to the top

vocal shard
#

Thing is that it is very hard to find people that are not biased in any way.

dark harness
#

We've talked about that - but, like with Twitter's oft-mocked VERIFIED USER scheme, we end up embroiled in controversy when we try to pick who the Real Good Users Are

jolly ether
#

how would you even decide :/ community involvement I guess

visual kayak
dark harness
#

I mean, we end up embroiled in controversy no matter what we do, but more of it

deft girder
#

As much as I would love to see a system like that it would be so hard to not cause people get power hungry having it

white cairn
#

VRC? Controversy? No.

cold talon
#

users and visitors are usually the best ones tbh, since they have not been corrupted yet

visual kayak
#

My bad! XD

vocal shard
#

New users and visitors are the best peeps, they're fresh

sterile summit
#

But they are easily influenced

jolly ether
vocal shard
#

so basically nothing changed because mod tickets are still being spammed

mental lily
dark harness
#

I think [NAME REDACTED: SERVER TEAM] or [NAME REACTED: FIRED FOR INSUBORDINATION] both proposed that the report system should compare its results to actual mod rulings to calculate a "how likely are this person's reports to be valid" score

desert stratus
#

honestly the best way to pull off vrchat+ if you plan on adding more features is to add more clout to it. less QoL stuff and more just pure stuff you can show off. everyone already knows that people are going to buy it for clout, might as well go all the way. that's literally how nitro works lol

deft girder
vocal shard
#

I feel as though the VRChat+ is smart when it comes to the business side of things but as it stands the things it offers don't entice me to want to pay :p

dark harness
#

but neither of them counted on how incompetent I would be at gathering and sorting data, making such a complicated calculation quite difficult

vocal shard
#

Also, where will this VRC+ system appear, is it on Steam or the website / ingame?

mental lily
jolly ether
visual kayak
desert stratus
#

QoL like message invites should be vanilla since they offer a utility apart from pretty pictures and nice messages that im sure wont be used to make private world booty calls >u> but stuff like UI skins or nameplate edits can be premium only

vocal shard
#

So we're gonna have to put in payment details into VRC? Oooohh, yabeeee

#

@vocal shard it will be a steam based subscription

dark harness
#

Technically you'll be providing your payment details to Steam

visual kayak
deft girder
cold talon
white cairn
#

wait, FIRED FOR INSUBORDINATION? That's a story right there

jolly ether
#

probably unplugged the coffee machine

dark harness
#

If you were to give me your payment details, I would immediately send them to hackers and/or lose them and/or get them hilariously mixed up and send you our entire bank account, which is why I've insisted on making sure user payment data never gets within 1000 yards of me

vocal shard
#

If it is steam based though, will it apply to all your accounts or just one? I got an alt account that I use from time to time, I don't really need the things on that one though, but just cuz am curious

visual kayak
#

How many people are currently playing the open beta over the live branch? Genuinely curious

vocal shard
#

Yo system is it true that your avatar was planned to be one of the default public avatars?

jolly ether
#

thousands, apparently

white cairn
#

FWIW that does suck - you're eating 30% cost for the subscription when it's supposed to be a "support VRC" thing, not "support VRC and also this store"

mental lily
cold talon
#

wait its not public? yooink, welp it is now

dark harness
#

Yeah - but if we charged the money outside of Steam, to users acquired through steam, they'd still want their cut. They have goons.

white cairn
#

Unsure there, MMOs handle it fine

dark harness
#

I have seen the goons

vocal shard
#

Yeah don't BDO have its own system? FF14 too

jolly ether
#

what did the goons look like? O:

thorny plume
#

Is it different if the steam game for the mmo is just a launcher

vocal shard
#

So when is this expected to launch exactly? Or is it a soon tm kinda thing

whole flare
visual kayak
vocal shard
#

In my opinion if you guys wanted a bit of free money you could setup a marketplace for avatars for content creators and take a small cut, cutting out the need for sharing sign in info for selling avatars and such. :)

dark harness
#

Nope - there's a good chance that even the big MMOs are tracking which users are coming from steam for payment reasons. Steam has a lot of clout.

desert stratus
jolly ether
mental lily
#

Don't mess with Gaben ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

vocal shard
#

Marketplace for vrc would likely not go well considering you're not allowed to sell TDA stuff, etc

Which let's be honest, is what everyone would try to do

humble totem
thorny plume
#

Selling avatars, forcing content creators to use original assets

dark harness
#

Yeah, link isn't required.

vocal shard
#

Alright so it'll apply it to my alt account too then

graceful pewter
#

Japan will probably be fine with the vrchat marketplace as they have figured out an ecosystem outside of TDA

whole flare
dark harness
#

Although it's absolutely possible to create a VRChat account, get it VRChat+ through steam, create a different Steam account, buy VRChat+ for it, and then merge those two accounts into one account that somehow has two subscriptions

#

if you do that I will FIND you and I will END you

visual kayak
#

But My conflicts

whole flare
jolly ether
#

ah, finally.. vrc++

dark harness
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but the data will be so weird

visual kayak
dark harness
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I've been assigned to prevent that situation from happening before we launch

white cairn
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And then cancel only one of the subscriptions and play the lottery of if the one you cancelled was the load-bearing one? Fun times

umbral reef
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You do realize you writing that means someone here will do it right?

vocal shard
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I don't think having 2 subs will do much as all it does is apply a tag to your account :p

mental lily
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VRC++.. a class above the elite

vocal shard
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I'm glad we finally get an option to support though, I've been saying it for a long time but I would easily support vrc if I could, though the merch store was kinda.. ResidentSleeper

dark harness
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It's my sneaky way to get you to pay us money twice

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I'm playing the long game

fervent moon
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I'm curious - Do you guys foresee that VRC+ will be something that a lot of VRChat players will get? I'm personally on the fence about it. I don't dislike the idea, cause the app provides massive value, but 10 a month feels steep

vocal shard
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Big brain right there, damn

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I see, reverse psychology

dusky crest
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yo can someone help

summer crater
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Hii

desert stratus
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booth works 0u0 just partner with the company behind booth

vocal shard
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I don't think a majority of the players will get it, but I do think a lot of the regulars and old time players will, which is still thousands of players

dusky crest
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I had a friend fix a vrchat model for me and he got it all set up and sent me the unity package, but I have no idea how to actually configure the unity package, idk how to load the shaders or anything

fervent moon
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I generally feel like monetizing content in a way where something's really cheap to get can be better, because then a far greater amount of players will be able to/does actually get it

summer crater
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Yea i feel like 10 a month is a lil to much should be like 5 or if they can 6.99 XD but yea not enough for 10 a month in my opinion

white cairn
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You just need some video commercials. C o n s u m e p r i l o s e c

thorny plume
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I'd happily pay half the price today for nothing new, the actual features feel like an incremental update

fervent moon
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Like phasmo for example, that game would not have the playerbase it does now if it were 30 bucks - I like the VRC+ idea, but I feel like a 3-5 dollar per month thing (with maybe slightly less benefits than now) would let a lot more people get into it, and therefore be more profitable in a way ^

vocal shard
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If these monkeys can shell out 40-100 bucks to look like every other eboy / egirl in the game, then I'm sure 10 a month is not gonna stop them. lololol

I'll be subbing as soon as it is released though, even though I think it should probably be 5 at the start until they can bring out more features

heady salmon
dark harness
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I have no idea whether or not it will sell. I don't think any of us do. I'm not responsible for pricing.

summer crater
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I mean i will Probably still get it but yea lower the wprice by 50% that makes it more to value unless they plan to add somin groundbreaking to it

dark harness
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I do know that it's easier to lower prices than raise them, and if having the price twice as high cuts sales in half we break even. (thanks, basic mathematics!)

deft girder
whole flare
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@dark harness as long as you guys make it more worthwhile later on i'm fine with supprting it early on :P

mental lily
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@dark harness You say you're not responsible for pricing, but I'm sure you had a hand in the implementation. Might you have added something to charge an extra fraction of a fraction of a penny? If so, make sure you rounded correctly

jolly ether
white cairn
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Mate there are steam reviews out there for this game where the reviewer has 5k+ hours. People spend over a grand for custom avatars, and Virtual Market is now an award-winning company. This feature will do fine >_>

fervent moon
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That's fair, I'm not complaining - I feel like it's worth considering dropping it lower though, because then a larger amount of players can/will get it - I don't think halving it would just make it 100% more popular, perhaps even higher

cold talon
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hmm hmm, how about making vrc+ for 4.99$/month and vrc++ for 9.99$/month

vocal shard
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I'm at 8k hours rn, lolol

dark harness
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I call it the Superman 3 strategy and it's going to make me rich

summer crater
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XD lol

vocal shard
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were is my piece of this pie

mental lily
summer crater
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But what would vrc++ bring to the table? Cant think Of anything

jolly ether
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safety settings+

whole flare
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VRC should just start a patreon. ๐Ÿ˜‚

vocal shard
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pay for safety

thorny plume
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what would Vrc++ have

mental lily
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ah, patreon, because that's very professional ๐Ÿ˜‚

vocal shard
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if I can spend money on gacha games, I can spend money on vrc too, worth, even though I already bought VRC dlcs for like 2-3k USD already, smh

summer crater
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XDDDD

jolly ether
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vrc++, now with the ability to limit poly's shown, particles shown, and more!

vocal shard
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give people with vrc+ the ability to fly and I bet you way more people will jump on board haha

dark harness
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well

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fly on board

vocal shard
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true haha

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why pay to fly..when you can just have a model that flies

cold talon
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vrc++
personal mirror
player to player dynamic bone interaction
infinite favorites (not actually)
get extra special badge

whole flare
mental lily
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Why use a model that flies when you can pay to fly?

white cairn
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looks at custom avatar, Index, Quest and 3x vive trackers ๐Ÿ˜ฐ

static bear
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I saw someone noclip last week in the black cat

vocal shard
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Happens all the time

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i mean he hackers will never leave

cold talon
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no need for modded client, just colliders ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

summer crater
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Btw why do the nametags not see through i mean i love how they look but making it see through might make it better but idk that just my opinion

static bear
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Hackers, clients, crasher, all inevitable.

vocal shard
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Yeah give me that interactable dynamic bone stuff and that's all I would need. The 100 avatar slots was one of the things I wanted too

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there is an option to change opacity

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im just wondering what will happen to the current color ranks? Will they be removed for the new look?