#vrchat-general-2

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inland knot
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I always recommend an Amd ryzen7 3700x and a 2060 super

thorn owl
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my bro told me what Im getting for christmas

broken plover
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if I had unlimited money I would get a ryzen 7 5700x (I think thats what its called) with a 3080 or 6800xt

cold dome
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not unlimited money unfort

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I'd go with mid to upper mid range

inland knot
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then get what i recommended

thorn owl
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Im getting a ryzen 5

cold dome
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thank you gweiss

inland knot
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its incredibly good for the price

thorn owl
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a believe a super 1080? idk

civic vine
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hello, I've not done any world building since last year, which build of unity are we on now?

broken plover
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2018.4.20f1

inland knot
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that gives you all the sdk's you need

civic vine
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thanks @inland knot

inland knot
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np

hollow ingot
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It's a 5800x that's "out" atm but w/e

thorn owl
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so my gpu is nvidia geforce gtx 680
my cpu is AMD Phenom ll X6 1055T

inland knot
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o jesus

cold dome
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damn that 2060 super is expensive

civic vine
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sdk3 for a from scratch world then?

thorn owl
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yea?

cold dome
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but its worth it I guess

inland knot
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if youre planning on playing vr, upgrade your pc first

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before thinking of getting a headset

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@civic vine yes

thorn owl
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I should be getting computer parts in christmas

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Im appertally getting a ryzen 5

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a super 1080? I forgot the name

civic vine
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1080ti?

inland knot
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uh

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i wouldnt recommend getting that

civic vine
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Na there's newer cards that work out cheaper

inland knot
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RTX20 series are pretty good

broken plover
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the cheapest 2060 super is like 389 here... and I can't get a gpu that costs more than 300 so I guess the non-super 2060 will have to do, unless nvidia or amd release a 300€ card before my birthday

civic vine
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I'd only hunt for a 1080ti if you really really needed a like for like replacement

broken plover
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or I could go plan b and just wish for 300 bucks and then wait for the gpu and buy it myself

inland knot
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nico im pretty sure the base 2060 will also be good enough

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difference isnt that huge

thorn owl
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Im apprentally getting the 1 year old stuff

hollow ingot
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1080ti, 2070s, or 5700xt as I'm impatient. Originally would've wanted the 3070.

Already have a 3700x, I'd want the 5600x... being curious as of whether I should be going higher.

thorn owl
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but its better then the 5 year conponets in my pc

vocal shard
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I’m doing work rn but if it’s ok can someone later today show me the ropes of vr chat?

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I never been on it before

civic vine
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the rule of thumb is always buy the best you can afford/justify as it will last longer

thorn owl
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litterly all you do is talk and you can change your avatar

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vrchat is a socializing game

vocal shard
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Oh ok then

inland knot
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@hollow ingot your current build is fine, do you have any reason as to why you wanna upgrade

thorn owl
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its a good game

inland knot
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or is it just curiosity and because it feels nice

autumn nymph
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laughs in 2070

inland knot
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fair enough, then

thorn owl
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any one here plays among us

inland knot
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If people have any specific need like 3d rendering or editing, i recommend different stuff

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but if they just wanna have a sick pc and be happy, they can do however they please

thorn owl
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wait I cant use different emojis from different servers

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that sucks

sharp saddle
inland knot
thorn owl
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imma nirto user I should be able to do that

inland knot
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need to be a booster here

thorn owl
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oh really

inland knot
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yes

thorn owl
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damn

inland knot
thorn owl
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I already used my 2 free boost

hollow ingot
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I ultimately want to be able to run multiple games at once. Lurk/host.
I've already upped from 1800x to 3700x solely for VRC and I'd do it again. I'm that minority.
Anyways, away with my 1070 first for sure!

sharp saddle
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RIP.

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Can always buy another boost.

thorn owl
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but I can do a refund

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so thats cool

sharp saddle
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I like my laptop.

inland knot
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laptop vr is kinda meme

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but it works surprisingly

hollow ingot
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Can confirm that with my brother's laptop that I picked out. 4800H/2060

inland knot
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with certain laptops of course*

sharp saddle
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Works well, yeah. Sucks that it has a mini-DP.

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Extendo-cord!

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How good are 4000 series Ryzen chips? Thonk

honest forge
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no

sharp saddle
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No?

honest forge
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not gonna say anything, but i got beef with amd hardware

inland knot
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intel fanboy spotted

vocal shard
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ATI phew, old school drivers be like "could you not" then crash my pc

broken plover
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I just had to take a look at intel's prices and I was convinced that intel would never get into my pc again (unless they lower their prices by alot)

honest forge
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i got like an i7-10700 for like $149, htf did amd beat that?

hollow ingot
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4800H ~ 3700x

broken plover
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where did you get that

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If I could get it for that price I would go intel again, but I cant

honest forge
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what prices you seeing?

hollow ingot
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I haven't figured out how to get the desktop to show in VR... if it's possible there

broken plover
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its the non k version right? 314,79€

honest forge
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english plz

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siri doesnt know how to convert that lmao

hollow ingot
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$372.97

sharp saddle
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I haven't figured out how to get the desktop to show in VR... if it's possible there
@hollow ingot SteamVR or Oculus?

honest forge
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wtf, i got the F i7 like 2 weeks ago for $149, what happened?

broken plover
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the cheapest it has ever been was 250€ according to the price tracker
(296,17US$)

honest forge
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youre on walmart right? check there if not

hollow ingot
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Oculus.
(I haven't asked brother to get SteamVR as he doesn't have VR)

broken plover
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we don't have walmart here in germany

honest forge
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oh

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how much is the r5-7 amd processors?

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and how sturdy as well...

broken plover
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the ryzen 5 3600 is 195€ rn, but its been going up lately, and the lowest it has ever been was about 150€, and the ryzen 7 3700x is currently 269€ (nice) and the lowest is has ever been is about 252€

honest forge
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thats really super cheap if your currency translates close to usd

broken plover
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and there's also the ryzen 7 2700x which I'll get soon, for just under 160€ currently

honest forge
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ith i went thru like 9 epyc and 4 ryzen processors at work... because they just could not last long at all lol, like the company i work for finally wet intel and no one has lost a processor yet

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man thats super cheap compared to the r5 chips here

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its like $400 or more

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but yea, i literally learned how to replace the processors because of how frequently they would either start to fail or just burn out to a point where it couldnt function

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saw the IT dude do it so many times before covid

inland knot
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"English pls" when getting a € price

hollow ingot
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I also have had (far) less problems with my intel PC (6600k)

honest forge
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bro, what is that

inland knot
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lmfao the lowest of the low

honest forge
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like a sideways 3-leg crab

inland knot
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I pray for you that you're being sarcastic

honest forge
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yea, idk what amd does, but intel is definately better at making a chip that last longer

inland knot
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"Idk what competitor does but this company better"
sources: trust me dude

honest forge
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i was almost about to talk about amd graphics lol

broken plover
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amd's next gpu generation looks pretty solid, unlike literally every past generation so far

honest forge
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bro, i want a computer i dont need to open up every month to take a photo or something to get warenty replacements lol

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i did miss the epyc series tho, its definately way faster at the begining at doing the tasks i needed it to do, it just fails or degrades to fast

inland knot
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How are you such an isolated US citizen that you don't even know what € is, but then butcher your spelling like that.

honest forge
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im not exactly part of the north us, so no one really knows any other currency besides pesos and ketons

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its like C degrees, no one in my engineering firm, including the civil division that work specifically with heat. understands C lol

mild juniper
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@honest forge just so you know the € is a euro and its the currency nations in the european union use

honest forge
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cool

wheat summit
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what trust rank do i have to be in order to use a custom avatar

broken plover
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you can use public custom avatars as a visitor, but you're probably talking about uploading your own custom avatar. For that you need the new user rank

wheat summit
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ok, thank you so much

solar heath
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I has question. Did something change server-side for websockets? I'm experiencing login/authentication spam every 5-10 minutes. Seems to be happening on both Windows & Linux. It's not just me experiencing this either. You can check via output logs.

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There's also "TLS Handshake Error (40)" popping up aswell.

shut zodiac
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That's a first 02Think

solar heath
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It's why I'm asking. It's been happening for about 2 weeks roughly. The login spam at least on windows has been happening for 2 weeks. Since I recently moved to Linux, I've been getting TLS + login spam issues.

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As a result, I end up appearing offline until the websockets re-open again

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When the sockets do re-open, there are times I either crash or lag out for a bit while everything just suddenly starts loading up

sharp saddle
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Wait, what?

solar heath
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Lemme find the log entry. I don't think I can post gist links here.

final tulip
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Hey guys, does anyone know how to fix the avatars not loading and showing the blue floating polygon default? After about 40 minutes of playing I have to restart VRChat tog et the models back.

sharp saddle
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That usually means your cache is full or the client loaded improperly.

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(This is what people who're "stuck in the ground" see, by the by)

final tulip
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I've tried clearing the cache and it keeps happening very frequently.

sharp saddle
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Did you do it via the Settings or manually?

vocal shard
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Do you have enough free storage space left for the cache?

final tulip
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Manually

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How do I check the amount of space left in cache in game?

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Ohhhhh,I found it

inner cape
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youre welcome

summer summit
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hey does amyone wanna play vrchat rn? 13+

sharp saddle
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12+? Thonk

royal hollow
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Why unask now i just got offline an dfinaly can speak

modern hill
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!online

floral flaxBOT
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There are 14957 users in VRChat currently

summer summit
modern hill
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uvu

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What's tht, game invite?

sharp saddle
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Yes.

summer summit
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to the world im in

inland knot
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phishing link btw

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dont click bd users

mild juniper
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wait who sent the phishing link

inland knot
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dw abt it

opal galleon
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hi

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i still dont have a vr but ima get the quest 2 probably tomorrow, im really exited

mild juniper
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@opal galleon if you have a powerful enough pc would recomend using oculus link with the quest 2 on vr chat because you can do more with the game that way

opal galleon
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i have a ryzen 5 3400g with 16 gb ram, no grafics card yet

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is that enough?

mild juniper
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i honestly dont know

opal galleon
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how do i get like custom avatars

mild juniper
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i normally go to avatar worlds

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and then save the avatar i like

opal galleon
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but you can only favourite 16

twin fable
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only , i can't even find 1 that suits me Y_Y

modern hill
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@opal galleon it's enough for desktop

opal galleon
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for virtual desktop?

modern hill
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U can't play vr on that

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It's not vr ready and I'm sure the drivers don't even support it

opal galleon
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but can it run virtual desktop?

modern hill
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Virtual desktop is a quest application

opal galleon
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to play pcvr games right?

modern hill
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I dunno u can try but ur pc is not vr ready

opal galleon
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ok

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anyway the quest itself is good right?

modern hill
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Yesh

opal galleon
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i dont have enough money for other vr headset

rocky blaze
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how do i report someone

modern hill
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It's a good vr headset don't worry and when u get a gpu in ur desktop

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U can get a link

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@rocky blaze open a ticket #faq

rocky blaze
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thanks

modern hill
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np<3

sharp saddle
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Er... o.o

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You don't need a VR-capable PC for Virtual Desktop or Link, since it's not using the GPU.

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As long as your PC is powerful enough to run VRC you're good.

vocal shard
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What?

sharp saddle
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Well, not directly.

vocal shard
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It's still rendering vr in the gpu, it's just not directly linked to it

sharp saddle
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Should've added that part.

vocal shard
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It still needs to be powerful enough to run vr (slightly more than dedicated pcvr)

grizzled tangle
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You don't need a powerful GPU to run Virtual Desktop but you do if you want to be able to run VR games... Otherwise, VD will only work as a giant monitor.

vocal shard
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anyone wanna play yes or no in vrchat?

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nah

unreal verge
vocal shard
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what kinda reply system is going on in here

hoary drift
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the discord one

vocal shard
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the discord one
@hoary drift is this how it works? 👀

hoary drift
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i also still have quote

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but it'll be the middle one that says reply if it ever goes onto every server for every person

gaunt abyss
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hi i have a question, how do i play among us vr publicly

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i keep on entering but im the only one there

modern hill
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Join the world

gaunt abyss
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i did

vocal shard
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Join the world, make sure its a public instance

modern hill
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Um when ur in the world u should see instances find one with pll and make sure ur game is up to date

agile crater
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Nya

gaunt abyss
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i did that but still nothing

vocal shard
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nyaaaah~

modern hill
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Check for game updates

gaunt abyss
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i have to update crap

modern hill
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There's ur issue

agile crater
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Lol

gaunt abyss
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didnt know thanks

vocal shard
random sluice
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What is the correct forum to ask general questions about world development with the 3.0 SDK (not necessarily about Udon)?

frank girder
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hello everyone

vocal shard
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@random sluice YouTube has some good tutorials. You're basically just working with Unity but Blender is a helpful tool too

random sluice
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I understand that youtube has tutorials, but on the discord here, there's the avatars-3-help channel to ask questions about 3.0 avatars. Is there a similar channel for 3.0 worlds?

modern hill
sharp saddle
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3.0 is Udon.

random sluice
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thanks, I wasn't sure if that channel was specific for the Udon programming language part of world building.

vocal shard
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Udon sure is tasty

modern hill
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Lel i haven't developed for vrc in a while I still lack ideas atm

vocal shard
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Make a mansion

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MTV Cribs: VRChat Edition

modern hill
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But there is already many

vocal shard
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The Marsy episode

modern hill
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Reee

dusk helm
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how long do I have to wait to be able to upload an avatar for personal use only?

vocal shard
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@dusk helm depends

modern hill
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Until blue

random sluice
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usually just a few hours of playtime

modern hill
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Maybe 8 hours of constant play

vocal shard
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Just play until VRC emails you

modern hill
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Depends alot

vocal shard
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Be sure to make friends

modern hill
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Yes just play the game

vocal shard
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The Marsy episode

modern hill
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That's not a bad idea

vocal shard
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I would watch it

modern hill
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But I'm to busy with streaming and stuff and a project in media class

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So it would have to be after

dusk helm
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does my playtime from being on steam carry over since I linked the accounts?

vocal shard
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You have a Tweetch?

modern hill
dusk helm
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ok, thanks ^.^

modern hill
dusk helm
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so I just need about another 2 hours then to get to 8

vocal shard
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Let me seee

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I had my first 8 hours of VRC by the next morning

modern hill
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It's linked to my discord i just started though but I'm already affiliated and stuff so I'm off to a good start

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Idk how many hours i have lel

dusk helm
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is there a way to boost vrchat's sensativity to my microphone beyond the normal settings? people can hear me fine in discord but I'm apparently super quiet in vrchat

vocal shard
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Im wondering how people still hear me at 30% mic volume truthfully

modern hill
orchid hull
hoary drift
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works if you want people to poop you up on the socials

dusk helm
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apparently my recording volume for my mic was really low

vocal shard
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Using something other than the case audio helps with my microphone volume on desktop, not sure why the case seems to suppress mic volume more than im able to adjust for.

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They have these little usb soundcards that come with some modern gaming headsets I just use one of those and the mic volume is good

thorny bloom
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VrChat disconnect every time i change world

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it keeps happening

regal osprey
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Hey Does anyone wanna play

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vrchat?

vocal shard
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Whats that

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How do you play?

regal osprey
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you dont have the game

tepid sundial
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It’s a good game

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Lots of stuff to do

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You can talk talk with friends and if u don’t have any, u can make some. And if u can’t do that, then u can go to a club and was ur sorrows away in “pretend” alcohol or real alcohol if u want

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And then u can go to sleep

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In the game

sharp rose
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I wouldn't advise going to sleep in the game, personally

tepid sundial
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Yes

sharp rose
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at least not in public maps. :p

vocal shard
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You'll end up on some YouTube video

tepid sundial
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I was gonna say that if ur not carfull a sleep peralisis demon Loli will wake u up to nirvana

vocal shard
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I’m looking for some people to talk and chill with plz dm me I’m lonely

hoary drift
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m

rare night
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erm fbt server crash?

south sorrel
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obligatory RAGE

inner cipher
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is vrc+ a subscription service or 1 time payment

carmine nebula
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Sooo vrchat plus is basically something you pay 10/month for icons and extra avatar favorite slots

candid mirage
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Ofc they had to make having more than 10 avatars (now 25) paid

soft peak
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Beginning of the end? Or end of the beginning?

candid mirage
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._.

carmine nebula
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Luckily I'm not concerned about avatar favorites since i've got my own models.

terse socket
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honestly it sounds fine

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free players aren't losing anything

paper cloak
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lmfao

carmine nebula
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If it was avatar slots in general, it'd be a different story

gleaming kraken
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oh no...

terse socket
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we're actually getting more avatar slots

carmine nebula
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Works for me

candid mirage
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We want more features for YEARS

jagged arrow
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Avatar Slots to 25 is better than 16

gleaming kraken
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the last thing i wanted was another subscription service..

jagged arrow
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but a whole subscription for a social vr game vrpill

soft peak
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So is paywall how they’re planning on monetizing long term? I don’t mind, I just want to know.

idle cipher
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o god what's this plus thingy

carmine nebula
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It's basically [Hey I paid 10 dollars for extra slots and a fancy icon]

late void
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aight, time to leave vrchat. say goodbye to another content creator

carmine nebula
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Pretty much

faint harbor
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Bad call in my mind :/

terse socket
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basically you get more avatar slots and a customizable nameplate

candid mirage
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W

aight, time to leave vrchat. say goodbye to another content creator
@late void where are you going then?

pine forge
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you dont need to use it so, you can just leave it

wet sluice
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🍿

candid mirage
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Cluster is a thing I guess

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can we fill it with westerns?

soft peak
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Honestly, if it allows them to fund more development, I’m all for it.

ember arch
gleaming kraken
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the sad thing is is that this one do anything bad in the end, a bunch of people will complain for a bit and then we will all just be used to it

terse socket
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idk why people are mad about it since we don't lose anything for not having it, but then again I'm newish to vrchat

vocal shard
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Is this suppose to be paid for or is it free?

gleaming kraken
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oof grats on those pings

jaunty ermine
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is vrc+ pc only?

carmine nebula
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I'm more hyped up for better performance so my frames stop going from 90 - 45 when I look at a mirror or am in my menu

terse socket
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the beta is free

vocal shard
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Like this is confusting

robust juniper
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Not a fan of the whole "pay for trust levels" thing but overall doesn't seem that bad

late void
edgy pumice
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Is this suppose to be paid for or is it free?
@vocal shard $$$$

silver helm
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so. vrchat is now a pay to win? xd

tough totem
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i may get it. it does sound cool

candid mirage
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I'm more hyped up for better performance so my frames stop going from 90 - 45 when I look at a mirror or am in my menu
@carmine nebula fancy icon > more frames

random idol
carmine nebula
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@candid mirage Pog

jagged arrow
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Customizable nameplates? What

vocal shard
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you throw a monkey wrench my dude

wet sluice
candid mirage
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nowhere, i dont wanna be a part of it anymore. the updates are always breaking things and bad decisions, the community over all is so toxic. i just dont want to be a part of it anymore. nearing 3k hours
@late void sad 😦

vocal shard
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I AM CONVINCED

im not too pro in memberships, but vrchat plus seems to be so promising with the new vrchat plus thing

random idol
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how much is vrchat plus?

soft peak
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@silver helm I’ve got bad news if you’re here trying to “win” VRChat. 😂

candid acorn
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buying rank

very cool, not like trust was supposed to actually mean anything.
then again, trust was a stupid idea to begin with, so im not surprised theyve managed to make it worse

candid mirage
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$10 lmao

gentle topaz
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pay to win

vocal shard
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I literally just got the trusted user now

jolly ether
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Upcoming changes look good (: Think they touched on being able to more easily support creators too. Looking forward to watching it all unfold.

dry gorge
soft peak
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Wait, you can buy rank now?

spare arch
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I'm getting it ayy

candid mirage
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Literally pokemon home is cheaper and maybe more worth it

terse socket
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nobody is gonna give two shits whether you have the sub

soft peak
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Can someone confirm?

candid acorn
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wow I can now buy my societal class just like in real life now

vocal shard
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I guess this costs money

robust juniper
jolly vault
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Are they really putting quality of life updates behind a paywall? :')

shadow wave
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how much for dynamic bone plane colliders?

candid acorn
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thats exactly the issue with trust

jagged arrow
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Yeah that’s bullshit

wet sluice
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You could say the same about discord nitro

static parcel
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wtf is with the vrchat plus

silver helm
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10$ at month and 100$ a year

candid mirage
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Are they really putting quality of life updates behind a paywall? :')
@jolly vault yeah ^-^

humble cloud
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hell yeah im stoked on this - As long as it is a one time purchase not a monthly. . .

dark dew
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not against the concept, just concerned that it potentially could end up going too far

soft peak
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No ones forcing you to buy it.

humble cloud
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Monthly will just be greedy when they don't need the extra money

covert chasm
terse socket
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I usually hate the idea of a subcription but if the features aren't even 100% exclusive to the sub then nobody will even care abt it in a few weeks

hybrid cloak
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@humble cloud the thing is, it is a monthly payment

carmine nebula
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@covert chasm Lemme pay 10 bucks a month for some performance updates

candid acorn
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trust was a terrible idea to begin with- as it never actually addressed anything adequately, and only added a further barrier to entry for a new player, as well as introducing classism to vrc- but now you can just buy it. what was the point?

idle cipher
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does this mean there will be more updates and performance improvements

frail quarry
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:not_poggers:

soft peak
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@dark dew Agreed. This is reasonable, and honestly probably necessary (to find dev); but it’s a slippery slope.

humble cloud
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@covert chasm why would you do a monthly payment instead of a one time deal. Atleast give us the option to pay like 60 bucks to have it forever. . .

primal oak
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I like the concept of it, but custom icons should NOT be a feature exclusive to vrchat plus. Even a slightly visible segregation like that is going to split the community in half.

rancid gate
#

anyone know when it drops? literally nobody has told me i want the new nameplates i like having a pfp ingame its cool

covert chasm
hollow sluice
#

I love this. We finally have a way to support tha game and we will get nice goodies for it.

vast tulip
carmine nebula
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Errrr, I thought VRC plus was just fancy addons

gleaming kraken
#

this is incredibly out of nowhere, which is what weirds me out the most

frail quarry
#

subscription models are bad

carmine nebula
#

o.o ?

candid acorn
#

@humble cloud
they cant make money if they are gonna give you perks for only a one time payment

leaden finch
#

Imo 10 dollars is way too much for whats given. Wither add more stuff or lower that price to like 6 or 8 bucks

granite agate
#

VRChat had to make money at some point

pearl kraken
#

I can't imagine being so entitled that you'd complain about the game you guys play enough to join the discord trying to monetize itself without removing any features from the free players

jagged arrow
#

VRChat, what the fuck? We’ve been asking for more avatar slots for years and months, and now we have to have a paywall for it? You kidding me? Plenty of fans and users have been waiting and waiting for this, and now they’re pissed that we have to pay for it; you’re losing users here for doing this. I might quit VRChat if more and more features get locked behind money like this. Please, do something about this.

humble cloud
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Why not they already have money coming in from outside sources dont they?

zinc cairn
#

how do we solve the elitism problem

simple, just add more elitism

granite agate
#

Those servers must be expensive

onyx laurel
#

sup @trim oracle

gentle topaz
#

pp poo poo game

primal oak
#

And if it's custom icons, who knows what inappropriate stuff people are going to come up with??

robust juniper
primal oak
#

Roll back the custom icons!

soft peak
#

I agree with @vast tulip; you’re not going to risk getting banned when you’re paying 100$ a year for your account.

terse socket
#

can we all just not get the sub

near wraith
#

So how's the early adopter thing gonna work? Sign up as soon as it goes live out of open beta?

vocal shard
#

i think 100 fav avatars and the cool stuffs is okay for the price, they did say more stuff would come

vast tulip
hollow sluice
#

You dont know how many features we are getting yet.

candid acorn
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@jagged arrow why do you think they never paid attention to the request for more slots?
or why they quickly killed the nascent booth trend of custom nameplates? because it was stuff they were planning on monetizing

wet sluice
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What about 2 vrchat server boosts with the $10/mo sub and none with a $5/mo sub... oh wait...

stark solar
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For not much added, i dont think the price is fair. I do wanna support the devs, but I just can't do a monthly subscription

charred siren
#

how does this work legally, surely you've just monetized the game, which is filled with copyrighted content... is this not a lawsuit waiting to happen?

versed dock
#

Stop ruining the game

terse socket
#

we dont lose anything by skipping out on it but if enough ppl dont buy it then vrchat wont make money off it

covert chasm
humble cloud
# robust juniper Oh hey

oh yooooo what up lmao can you beleive they are going with a monthly instead of a one time payment lol

stark solar
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yea, thats why im annoyed

tiny sigil
#

definitely gonna sub as soon as possible, been wanting to support vrchat for a while

carmine nebula
#

Don't make tupper angery

winter sierra
#

How about adding 5/10 extra slots for each rank the people have?

humble cloud
#

I'd support it if it wasn't a subscription.

granite agate
#

Isn't the only thing keeping VRChat afloat right now big investors?

hollow sluice
#

@charred siren works like osu essentially. Youre just supporting the game not purchasing any rights

jagged arrow
#

so many jfk nameplates are coming

candid mirage
#

Why not make harmless mods legal?

soft peak
#

Yo, wait what?! They updated the favorite quantity for the regular game; that’s great.

vale palm
#

Will avatar security be a VRC Plus feature? Asking for a friend

stable trellis
#

seems fine to me, game doesnt change if ya dont wanna pay. $10 / month seems just right for a service people spend 25+ hours a week using.

also the new nameplates look sick

winged verge
#

this so dumb

candid mirage
#

QOF for everyone?

shadow wave
#

how much money would it cost to get you to implement dynamic bone plane colliders?

static parcel
#

why not just do what chill out is doing ??

winged verge
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10 dollars

soft peak
#

🙌 This is great news ✌️👌

charred siren
#

your probably right, ill definitely have to look into it more

winged verge
#

are you serious

robust juniper
jolly vault
#

I encourage de devs to find ways to make money but I beg you PLEASE don't put important updates behind a paywall that is all I'm asking for 💜

candid acorn
#

@charred siren im pretty sure its still a grey area. the game is still free, the sub simply adds perks to a free game

ashen trail
#

imagine asking for money when modded clients still ruin shit

charred siren
#

but the legality on this is wacky as heck

royal jolt
#

honestly why not just do what chillout is doing

leaden finch
#

I would say.. If it i a Sub. Lower it to 5 dollars.. Onetime payment could be like 40 then.

stark solar
#

Yea, I would pay if it wasn't subscription based. Like a 32 dollar one time payment would be nice

terse socket
#

people are really overreacting imo

stark solar
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im just saying

winged verge
#

I would actually pay 5, 10 is way too much

pale stirrup
#

I’d buy it if I had money lol

soft peak
#

@terse socket They hâte change.

pale stirrup
#

100 a year I could get discord nitro tho

terse socket
#

we're not losing anything with this becoming a thing, in fact they're still adding the improvements for free players

stark solar
#

I just cant pay monthly

rancid gate
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oh damn, setting an icon is a vrc+ supporter feature? sheeeeit i really liked the idea of having the icon.

candid acorn
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legality was always a grey area, as they can say nobody is monetizing copyrighted goods. and this doesnt really change that. as long as they do not directly imply money is being exchanged for copyrighted goods

candid mirage
#

people are really overreacting imo
@terse socket I just feel this is the beginning

grim bough
#

Yea not a fan of this tbh

pearl kraken
#

Internet games can't really exist on a one time payment

royal jolt
#

^

stark solar
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Donations

lyric anvil
#

new nameplate is like wtf

pearl kraken
#

I can't imagine their server bills

candid acorn
#

you are just subbing to the platform, which itself is not copyrighted to anyone but vrchat

sharp herald
#

Well people wanted to pay to get more slots

hollow sluice
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@charred siren youre not buying any of the assets + people that upload that stuff on to the game are breaking the games tos. So the legality falls on them

winged verge
#

why cant I just buy the game for 30 dollars or something instead of a social subscription this isn't discord

ripe galleon
#

😕

terse socket
#

@candid mirage it could definitely be a slippery slope but if enough people just dont get the subscription then they'll probably stop

stark solar
pale stirrup
#

It’s honestly smart they can’t make money off it any other way lol

charred siren
#

oh, no, i agree, i just think the topic is great food for thought

stark solar
#

ye

robust juniper
#

I'm honestly okay with it besides the rank thing (which I don't fully understand yet, it might be okay)

Remember when people thought the trust system would introduce internet racism?

winged verge
#

Increased Trust — You’re supporting us, so we’ll support you. Enjoy a little boost to your Trust level. BRUH

granite agate
#

Guys its a Free MMO. And it's huge. How many other big MMOs do you know that are free?

chrome hinge
#

subscription based methods are known to generate the highest amounts of revenue. why many tech companies use them

vale palm
#

Every visitor is muted by default for me, I hate visitors, did you know that 56% of all violent crime is done by visitors?

granite agate
#

subscription based model is literally the only viable thing for MMOs

royal jolt
#

it's not that huge tho

pale stirrup
#

The kids don’t have money or debit cards to buy it myguy

stable trellis
#

subscriptions or microtransactions are the only way to effectively monetize a 24/7 live service. i much rather a sub than a predatory microtransaction store tbh

pale stirrup
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It’s a monthly subscription

humble cloud
stark solar
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I don't really see how the price is justified, I just don't see much value in icon changing, and more favorite avatars.

charred siren
#

i know that final fantasy 14 for instance, its against tos to play copyrighted music... people still do it anyway, but i wonder if vrchat will implement something similiar

winged verge
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like please just a one time payment jesus

silver helm
#

I prefer to pay without receiving anything in exchange to paying for QOL behind a paywall

candid mirage
grim bough
#

if anything, i'd rather have private dedicated servers

acoustic yew
#

lol imagine paying $10 a month for them to break the game every update 👌

winged verge
#

I swear

royal jolt
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^

terse socket
#

nobody with a functioning brain is gonna buy the sub

vocal shard
pale stirrup
#

Vrchat is basically just vr discord lol

fallow trout
#

it doesn't cost 10 mill ...

humble cloud
#

exactly

chrome hinge
#

pay 10 dollars to eb crashed by a 12 year old

fringe glade
pearl kraken
#

Maybe with money it won't break every month 🙂

stark solar
#

I'm fine with it if it gets a one time payment option, for like 30-50 bucks.

pale stirrup
#

Y’all don’t complain about discord nitro

vocal shard
#

🤣

feral obsidian
#

More avatar slot

granite agate
#

dude running servers is not a one-time cost lmao

winged verge
#

vrchat is a game

feral obsidian
#

finally

terse socket
#

to me the entire idea of this subscription thing is irrelevant if we dont lose anything and the sub is too expensive anyway

fringe glade
#

So far, stuff from 2017 weren't marked as planned since last week, we'll see how it goes.

grim bough
#

bc discord devs are chill

frigid magnet
#

Pay to win in vrchat, me angy

topaz acorn
#

So question, what is this new money being raised for? Moderation? Server time?

carmine nebula
#

I'll pay 10/month for FPS performance boosts and managed multi core processing 💯

pale stirrup
#

Vrchat isn’t a game really

charred siren
#

i do genuinely hope that it isnt a new rank, at most, i'd prefer it to be a faster increase

robust juniper
buoyant thunder
#

smh

pale stirrup
#

Bruh

pearl kraken
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I'll pay 10/month for FPS performance boosts and managed multi core processing 💯
@carmine nebula Unity 😎

hidden adder
#

Exactly

robust juniper
#

Nitro just appears out of thin air

candid mirage
#

Make a patreon maybe?

terse socket
#

even nitro is worse than vrc+

buoyant thunder
#

Nobody actually BUYS nitro though
@robust juniper lmao what

restive plover
#

so wait, why are people pissed about this?

frigid magnet
#

Hey limbo

winged verge
#

ugh I can feel the gatekeeping lmfao

viscid ivy
#

P2W VRC Damn.

carmine nebula
#

@pearl kraken Your point?

terse socket
#

because you can only send files less than 8mb which is fucking ridiculous

pale stirrup
static parcel
#

why not just make a mod pack ??

hidden adder
#

Hi sev

short jewel
#

Yo sev

robust juniper
#

Everyone I know with nitro got it as a gift

cold quiver
#

gee who would buy nitro

stark solar
#

yo btw the devs arent being annoying about us and I gotta respect them. They aren't banning us for options and thats nice

frigid magnet
#

How you doin

dawn bridge
#

vrc was already P2W, yall ever hear of body tracking?

hidden adder
#

Hey big man

short jewel
#

Hey limbo

hidden adder
#

Good

silver helm
#

nitro is a joke. but if you are not runing a big server, realy it dosent mater

fallow trout
misty abyss
#

@carmine nebula i spot a dragon X)

frigid magnet
#

Nice

short jewel
#

nice

winged verge
#

well the nameplate is kinda cool

hidden adder
#

Cool

warm pasture
#

Limbo

hidden adder
#

Hi

vocal shard
#

It's not p2w

frigid magnet
#

Interesting things happening here huh

charred siren
#

im just interested to see if anything comes out of this legally, seems interesting

stable trellis
#

I just wanna know if I can gift a month of VRC+ to my friends like twitch lol

dawn bridge
#

tbh as long as development continues and they dont lock away important stuff for free users, this is fine

static parcel
#

becuase a good chuck of players all ready use mods all ready for quality of life experience's

wet sluice
#

yea, that's on you. Nothing about this p2w anyways

charred siren
#

have a great night everyone ^^

strong spear
#

unrelated to the update but how are y'all replying to one another? it's showing up as a little reply thing for me

granite agate
#

there's literally nothing to win

candid mirage
#

I just want more frames bro

warm pasture
#

Howdy Jamie

pale stirrup
#

I think y’all forget you don’t have to buy it

robust juniper
#

Would the trust boost get someone out of visitor instantly? That's my main concern.

fallow trout
pale stirrup
#

It’s not pay to win if you don’t win anything

candid mirage
#

That's it, using mods shouldn't be illegal

slate rock
#

Super super excited for vrchat+

winged verge
#

I would actually pay 5 dollars a month

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not 10

viscid ivy
#

^

slate rock
#

I'm okay with 10 dollars a month, I think that's reasonable

royal jolt
#

^

vale palm
#

I heard having a fancy vrc name tag gets you extra e-girls in void club, its def p2w

humble cloud
#

I'd pay 60 once, not 10 a month forever.

slate rock
#

it's like netflix

static parcel
#

less it cost the more people are willing to pay for it

granite agate
#

don't most MMOs cost more

pale stirrup
#

Moshi I know you from somewhere lol

frail quarry
#

subscriptions are pretty cringe

static parcel
#

but stand behind my outher statment

slate rock
#

Also it's not really there for people to unlock extra features, it's there for you to support vrchat

fringe glade
#

? extra e-girls ? WHERE DO I SUB

vale palm
#

dont touch my mompai!

royal jolt
silver helm
#

if wasn't a early access game, maybe

last tundra
#

Going to flex FBT and VRC+ on all the mutes now. That's how it works now

junior pecan
#

HI

fervent gale
#

that's why this one is optional lol

wet sluice
winged verge
#

the gatekeeping i can feel it already. pssh pleb you dont pay 120 a year

ivory lantern
#

^^

carmine nebula
#

That's oddly specific

pale stirrup
#

Hey maybe they’ll hire more people for dev teams to actually fix the game?

humble cloud
#

Uh lawn vs video game lmao also no one is donating 10 mil to my lawn

lucid rock
#

Wow I can't believe that vrchat wants to think about future costs and stuff.
I would rather have ads on my screen and all my data sold to some advertising companies/s

keen sapphire
#

I'm happy with the payment under the promise that vrc will improve

stable trellis
#

prediction: people will be mad about this, the youtube video will get thousands of dislikes, and then a month will pass and life will continue as normal lmao

humble cloud
#

@wet sluice

crimson apex
#

If it's $5-$10 a month I'll do it

keen sapphire
#

If it doesn't and it just becomes a way to run away with money then I'll be upset

leaden finch
#

This is for the Devs... Lower the Price to 4.99 a month. Then more people would sub and you would actually make more money. Because more people would be also able to affort it but also the price is low so it isnt a big cut in peoples wallet.

carmine nebula
winged verge
#

I would rather give 10 dollars to a homeless person

wet sluice
#

Those games weren't free.

humble cloud
#

@trim oracle exactly

acoustic yew
#

vrchat support badge gonna be a dunce cap lmaoo

last tundra
#

If it's $5-$10 a month I'll do it
@crimson apex It's $10 a month $99 anual

keen sapphire
#

but $10 a month to support the game and give it more longevity is easy

humble cloud
#

they had a 1 time payment

ivory lantern
#

GTA is an awful comparison

fervent gale
#

just wondering where i can subscribe now

ripe galleon
#

@frigid magnet @hidden adder @grim bough @short jewel hi

dawn bridge
#

Devs probably are reading this chat, hoping the community wont go nuclear over this lol. If yall are reading this, just keep up the free updates and improve the game, and this will blow over

hidden adder
#

Hi

honest marten
#

reading the complaints is really fun

hidden adder
#

Hi my clone brothers

ivory lantern
#

GTA has one of the worst MTX stores in history

primal oak
#

I'd like cheaper payment options.

winged verge
#

the new nameplates cost 15 fps goodluck guys!

granite agate
#

I'd love to hear people's alternate ideas for how to keep VRChat running

stark solar
#

Here, voicemod is as both a subscription based model, and a one time payment, it would be nice if it could work the same

gleaming kraken
#

its just a medium sized explosion now, i give it a week or two and the community will be back to somewhat normal

frigid magnet
#

Hey Ghost, how are you today @ripe galleon

simple hinge
#

The problem is that they're monetizing in the silliest way possible. Why haven't they pulled a Linden Labs and started running a marketplace like Second Life?

slate rock
#

Vrchat has always been free and always will be, the 10 dollars is literally optional so there shouldn't be a lot of complaints, I don't think anything will go "nuclear"

static parcel
#

just make the price lower so more people will be willing to give 5 bucks a month

vale palm
#

can we get a client that removes fancy nameplate images

gleaming kraken
#

what theyre doing is already in place so there isnt much we can do now

royal jolt
#

People are several typing

stark solar
#

I'm fine with the whole thing, I just think its overpriced

granite agate
#

would you guys rather have ads?

stable trellis
#

@noble depot actually just increased the price in the US, 14 dollars for anything besides SD

winged verge
#

did someone say a free client pog

slate rock
#

LOL

last tundra
#

Yes

pale stirrup
#

No lol

stark solar
#

So ads would be fine

slate rock
#

Ads jesus christ no

last tundra
#

Ads and sell my data please

robust juniper
#

I get where you're coming from but GTA isn't the best example when there are planes that cost $100+

stark solar
#

some

granite agate
#

Would you rather have the facebook model where they sell all your interactions to companies

last tundra
#

Yes

stark solar
#

oh look its a timer

noble depot
#

@stable trellis whoops, sorry then lmao

gleaming kraken
#

@simple hinge partly because 90% of this game is made of assets that people dont own the rights to

primal oak
#

I'd be happy with a $4,99/mo* version with half the bonus avatar slots

noble depot
#

my spherical brain attacks yet again

leaden finch
#

Also they forgot to add a link for those who wants to buy it.. They say its announced but cant buy yet. HA

terse socket
#

if the subscription was $5 then people would actually buy it and vrchat would get positive reception

stark solar
#

yea

winged verge
#

maybe we'll get a periodic add telling us to upgrade to vrchat + now to finish this conversation with your friends!

humble cloud
#

Ads in the loading screen would be fine if it stayed free.

terse socket
#

and now it's just mixed

gleaming kraken
#

oh god no keep ads out of this

steady oyster
#

I just heard about vrchat premium

humble cloud
#

it's just an ad. as long as it's not obnoxious.

pale stirrup
#

So you want a Vrchat plus lite and then the full Vrchat subscription

steady oyster
#

When were and how

rancid vessel
#

What the heck is increased trust mean?

stark solar
#

I'm fine if it has like, ads in loading

stable trellis
wet sluice
gleaming kraken
#

i already thought the new menu looked perfect to insert ads into but now that this is happening i would almost believe it

pale stirrup
#

They’re going to make BANK from this

steady oyster
#

Exactly

static parcel
#

when certen players still have legendary trusted levels

rancid vessel
#

Like does that mean a paid user wanting to kick somebody out of a world will increase the chances of it happening or something? I don't know where increased trust could go other than that.

humble cloud
#

Ad's in loading would be fucking fine, why do you disagree so strongly? You'd rather pay 10 bucks a month? They let's make it 10 a month for no ads like huli

stark solar
#

Here, if there are sponsors for the game, thats cool, I would like that, not like big companies doing ads

fervent gale
#

no read the blogpost dude

humble cloud
#

Hulu*

granite agate
#

I mean there's people playing this with $1000 headsets and even more expensive pcs

#

sounds like they have money

pale stirrup
#

The trust rank really doesn’t mean anything tbh

frail quarry
#

shameless cash grab

stark solar
#

but we dont all have that

gleaming kraken
#

yeah not all of us

primal oak
#

Like does that mean a paid user wanting to kick somebody out of a world will increase the chances of it happening or something? I don't know where increased trust could go other than that.
@rancid vessel Trust rank has nothing to do with the ability to kick people.

winged verge
#

thank goodness we have 64 avatar slots 😐

gleaming kraken
#

im broke af, i literally only have 10$ in my bank, and nothing more

carmine nebula
#

If you have your own models, the avatar slots don't really mean much.

crisp goblet
#

I would buy it for $30 once not $10 a month

humble cloud
#

@granite agate sounds like they already spent a lot of money and dont want to have to spend more just to play vrc good

granite agate
#

Yeah those who don't have the money don't have to buy it. The game remains free. Where's the issue

wet sluice
winged verge
#

bitc I dont even spend 10 dollars at taco bell

pale stirrup
#

Y’all don’t have to buy it ya know

stark solar
#

guys, lets calm down for a sec, one person at a time

frail quarry
#

trust ranked people are the most likely to annoy me with unwelcome 2-d audio of bad music and map-encompassing shaders

stable trellis
robust juniper
#

If people will pay upwards of $300 for some big tiddy goth avatar that's too NSFW to use in public, people will definitely buy this

pale stirrup
#

I personally can’t buy it rn but I’d like to

gleaming kraken
#

@carmine nebula except when your me and have over 600 avatars and it becomes ridiculous to scroll all the way back

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thats when favorites are needed

pure sparrow
#

vrpill they have sponsors

stark solar
#

im dum

naive mason
#

What are they trying to sell?

carmine nebula
#

Holy shit this

forest orchid
#

Is this an out of season april fools joke? I feel bad for anyone to spend that much a month on those features, even if you have money

fervent gale
#

i don't understand why people that can't afford it are complaining even though it's optional

carmine nebula
elder galleon
#

what is this roblox builders club

vale palm
#

GUYS, IF you pay me 20 a month I will add a shader to your avatar that adds a cute icon to your nameplate. Tadaaaaaa

edgy pumice
#

would take that over this

stable trellis
humble cloud
#

@stable trellis makes no sense but whatevs lol i mean if its just like photo ads in the loading screen, who cares?? IMO it would improve the boring loading screen ive seen for hours

frail quarry
#

avatar favorite slots should not be a paid feature when it doesn't even use server power to store more, the data gets stored locally to you, they're just pointers to avatar ids

stark solar
#

Its still free and we wont lose stuff, thats fine, I just dont like the price

frail quarry
#

they should have never been so limited to begin with

humble cloud
#

10

stark solar
#

10 bucks a month

steady oyster
#

Hey so how does one do the early supporter thing

gleaming kraken
#

a month

pale stirrup
#

10 month 99 year

granite agate
#

They're literally taking nothing away

carmine nebula
#

1000 pennies

granite agate
#

They're not putting the game behind a paywall

fervent gale
#

you don't lose anything lol so pay for it if you want to idk wy you're all malding

fallow trout
#

ill do it for free

gleaming kraken
#

do they need to take stuff away for us to complain?

winged verge
#

I can't imagine people actually buying it though someone raise their hand

stable trellis
carmine nebula
#

Why is it specifically americans ._.

robust juniper
#

What if they did some real dystopian stuff where you have to include an "ad screen" to your VRChat world for it to be publishable

vale palm
#

Better than getting diddled by nonracist pedos smith

humble cloud
#

@stable trellis bruh lmao

robust juniper
#

Like they include a special ad screen in the SDK and it checks how many there are

winged verge
#

I hope they sell ad space in our FOV

fiery lichen
#

It’s still a stupid amount to pay for some extra favorite slots and a name plate

gleaming kraken
#

no its when they try to add things weve been asking for and lock it behind a paywall, then we complain

stark solar
carmine nebula
#

I ain't racist, lmao.

leaden finch
#

i don't understand why people that can't afford it are complaining even though it's optional
@fervent gale Because its a moneygrabfor features people have been screaming for to get. And now they lock it behind money. Thats greedy asf

pale stirrup
granite agate
#

we don't know if its overpriced yet because they havent announced all the features

glossy coral
#

Looks like VRChat made something worthwhile

naive mason
#

@stable trellis ty

winged verge
#

what

split sage
#

bro this is how rec room died

winged verge
#

we don't know if its overpriced yet because they havent announced all the features
@granite agate bruh

stark solar
#

NO

gleaming kraken
#

what was the announcement for then if its not complete?!

silver helm
#

N O

granite agate
#

you cant even buy it yet

knotty light
#

What if they actually hire some competent coders, improve security, or even fix issues that have plagued the game for 4 years now? JKJK

fervent gale
robust juniper
#

That's some r/lounge stuff right there

humble cloud
#

Yeah I don't want to see vrchat turn into RecRoom.

scenic cosmos
#

They are using ideas from mods and adding them as a paid feature

vale palm
#

Honestly the issue is just that the main feature they advertised is featured in every "client". Something which they never went against.
And the categorized avatar thing is something avatar creators have been asking for for ages.

carmine nebula
#

Pretty sure you had to pay to PLAY Recroom

haughty anvil
#

F in chat time to beat cod infinity war's dislikes number

fallow trout
stable trellis
#

i would say never ever buy something on the promise of future features, buy it if you like what it offers now, or ignore it until its compelling

shy bloom
#

Are the custom icons another draw call?

quartz vapor
#

man can yall be happy with anything?

winged verge
#

no

pale stirrup
#

^

stark solar
#

lol

vale palm
#

be quiet furry

hard linden
#

oi

charred siren
#

oh god the custom icons are gonna be another drawcall arnt they, i can see it now

winged verge
#

ahahhaa

fallow trout
#

250 XD

idle elm
#

How did a paid service change Rec Room?

carmine nebula
edgy pumice
#

Imagine paying 10 Dollars a month to get screamed at by racist american children
@cold saddle or worse, harrassed by racist american children over an avatar you wear and asking for EHM..

stark solar
split sage
#

when can i have NSFW Protection with Vrchat+

stable trellis
#

keep talking furries i love you

granite agate
#

So what are you guys' ideas? What features should be free and what can they offer instead which makes it worth it for people to pay?

haughty anvil
#

imagine paying for 100 slots and boosted trust ranking

scenic cosmos
#

Plus, custom user icons should be free for everyone.

vale palm
#

A Furry thats who @carmine nebula

gleaming kraken
#

no

carmine nebula
#

@vale palm Poggers.

winged verge
#

I don't like that it boosts trust rank thats bs in my opinion

quartz vapor
#

eat my fucking ass, yall just bitch and moan over any ounce of shit that either comes with change or a price tag. if yall can afford full body you can DECIDE if you wanna pay for this or not

knotty light
#

Does the subscription include protection from people crashing me?

edgy pumice
#

no

stark solar
#

I think icons should be free. Thats it, also I hope the other bonuses are nice

fallow trout
karmic rose
#

paying to boost trust.... sad

steady oyster
#

Seriously tho its hard to keep up with this chat raging about this change which btw i think is great but in all seriousnout could.someon eexplain to me how to become an early supporter

gleaming kraken
#

@quartz vapor i cant afford full body, and im complaining

winged epoch
#

@quartz vapor

pale stirrup
#

Bruh trust doesn’t mean anything lol

granite agate
#

I mean "better performance" isnt exactly a flick of switch

winged verge
pale stirrup
#

Who would pay to be toxic

haughty anvil
#

EA wants to know your location

stable trellis
faint night
#

Im in

edgy pumice
#

Who would pay to be toxic
@pale stirrup kids with money to waste

gleaming kraken
#

people do realize that not all of us complaining are people with expensive headset and fbt?

leaden finch
#

and how is that a problem? what's your point
@fervent gale Locking people on something like that for that price is ridiculous. I can understand if it is 4.99 a month because every other service out there is mostly that price. Because they know that raising it to double people will not sub then. If a platform like Twitch or Youtube or any other game with a sub on 4.99 can make it happen. Then why do VRC moneygrab with double the price for something that isnt worth that price

robust juniper
granite agate
#

if youre gonna give certain people better performance you'll essentially have to throttle everyone else

steady oyster
knotty light
#

Better performance isn't a flick of a switch but... looks at a calendar

winged verge
#

or toned done version called vrchat - LMAO

strong spear
#

Here's my one thing that I wish the devs would do. Allow users to create 18+ lobbies and actually use the NSFW tag applied on avatars when uploading them. Why is there a tickbox for an avatar being NSFW if that tag is literally never used and never has an impact on where and when you can use it?

carmine nebula
#

There's a difference from people complaining, and people who are giving legitimate, constructive criticism based on the benefactors of what's being given and shown.

swift robin
#

They had time to think of a way to fill there pockets but not enough time to fix some simple issues, not that i have an issue with vrchat trying to make ends meet but this was poorly done

long hatch
#

let me pay you already

steady oyster
stark solar
#

mate, this is something on most chat sites, this is a basic thing they have, it shouldnt be paid for

leaden finch
#

QUESTION TO THE DEVS: If i buy this Sub pr month. Can you then Guarantee me that i will not meet a crasher or someone with a client or some shit? Bc else then that price is too high

steady oyster
#

I want early supporter

winged verge
#

I pay 8 for crunchyroll a month

granite agate
#

They might adjust the price

thick tulip
#

"give us a subsccription fee during a pandemic" do they have 2 working braincells? bruh?

steady oyster
#

Give me a link rigjt now for early supporter and ill sub rn

vale palm
#

why pay for a shitty company that steals subtitles and sells em as their own? CF is horrible

dawn bridge
#

I think they should drop it to 5 month personally

charred siren
#

i'd like to point out, avatar images are already free, and personally i dont see all that many swastika's, i doubt profile icons would be any different

proper lynx
#

saw the video and my eyes widened imagining what's going on in the general chat

stark solar
fiery lichen
#

Either it needs more or needs to cost less

leaden finch
#

Ill happily sub if its like 4.99

granite agate
#

The balance may be off right now, but people who think that not having any sort of subscription model at all is viable are being delusional

winter sierra
#

You guys are talking like safety settings is not a thing.

royal jolt
#

^'

worthy lintel
#

You clowns aren't getting a dime from me 🔥
@feral dove damn you're so cool

winged verge
#

im not beleiving people brought up server costs there are 15k max users a day come on

worthy lintel
#

wow you're so cool and edgy

proper tendon
#

So does this mean clients for things like more favorite slots are going get banned? Because I know a lot of people who use those.

stable trellis
#

You clowns are getting 1000 dimes from me

fiery lichen
limpid relic
thick tulip
#

No one has money during a pandemic, you guys drunk af?

stark solar
#

I just hope they don't VRchat + worlds, that would suck

dawn bridge
#

guys, vrchat should remain free to play, but be ad supported /s

pale stirrup
#

Yearly 60$ 4.99 month

granite agate
#

They have investors. The investors expect a return on their investment.

stable trellis
#

^

haughty anvil
#

instead of doing the fallout vault route, how about a 1 time payment instead?

granite agate
#

just like discord

vale palm
#

Guys Ive noticed a trend here, Furries seem to be mostly pro VRC+ while nonfurries are not.

winged epoch
#

Add ads!

fallow trout
vocal shard
#

@dawn bridge it is free to play still

fervent gale
quartz fiber
#

wait what is happening im kinda lost here

quartz vapor
#

okay baby raging aside, i feel like if it was 4.99 a month, or had a bit more to it id take it, i still dont its that.... awful? idk we just gotta wait and see

leaden finch
#

Yearly 60$ 4.99 month
@pale stirrup Thats a fair price

pale stirrup
dawn bridge
#

I know I am making a joke

stark solar
#

YES

stable trellis
limpid relic
winged epoch
quartz fiber
#

okok thx

north willow
#

Can I start getting a paycheck for playing vrchat pls

royal jolt
knotty light
#

I feel like they should have pitched it as "This money will go towards improving the performance, stability, and baseline code of the game", rather than... "Look how cool you'll look and how many Avatars you can have favorited!"

brave salmon
#

its nice they are giving us 25 avatar slots though

stark solar
#

Price should be 5. If it is we will cool down

pale stirrup
#

Not even wrong myguy lmfao

leaden finch
#

but it's optional and you don't lose anything, it's a way to support the game I don't see the problem. the price is a bit but that's a you problem
@fervent gale So by doing this do we then get competent devs and a clientfree game where no one crashes you?

winter sierra
#

$10 is a lot, considering you only get two features

winged verge
#

Early Supporter Badge — Get in on VRChat+ early, and your badge will permanently upgrade to an “Early Supporter” version. Time to flex!
"time to flex" lmao

forest orchid
#

Does VRC Plus include a custom personal large mirror to spawn at any time? Because that's all people ever do anymore, stare...

thick tulip
#

Imagine getting a "you're too poor to get in this world" next

stark solar
dawn bridge
#

Yo mods, I suggest you go over all the concerns here and make a blog post about it. itll calm nerves

static parcel
#

make vrchat better with good updates AND TEST YOUR STUFF BEFOR GOING LIVE!!!

proper tendon
#

True, technically that always against the rules, but it's not like anyone's ever been banned for it. And if they don't start banning people for it, then roughly half of what VRC+ currently offers is available for free.

quartz vapor
#

also fuck the incel that only had one response earlier and that was just "furry"

stable trellis
#

why are the people who hate furries out of principle more annoying than they say furries apparently are vrcThinking

vale palm
#

Furry

fiery lichen
granite agate
#

"This money will make it so the whole game doesn't have to shut down because the investors abandoned it since there is absolutely no revenue"

stark solar
#

Can we please calm down for a moment

dawn bridge
#

I think its a bit much but people with 1.5k vr setups complaining about 10 dollars a month are being silly lmao

winged epoch
#

No

static parcel
#

😛 most updates tend to breack stuff

winged verge
#

im buying the first month just for the early supporter bad cuz its permanent loooool

fervent gale
vocal shard
pale stirrup
jolly ether
#

🍿

mighty dew
#

if $10 a month is too much then don't buy it lol

vale palm
#

@pale stirrup oi mate Ill yiff you in vrc later

visual zealot
#

🍿

native narwhal
#

miaou

pale stirrup
trail gorge
leaden finch
#

Every major update is tested in close beta for weeks, and then open beta for weeks that anyone can join
@vocal shard But how does it still break everything then O.o

abstract vault
#

I notice the paid features are the same ones people were banned for

royal jolt
stark solar
#

To all the furrys yall are cute

stable trellis
#

^

north willow
#

It has to be advertised as a product or a service you are paying for and getting something for in return primarily. treating it as an "investment" is the wrong way to go, like buying Spotify premium or Discord nitro are services, not investments for the Spotify/Discord community

mighty harness
#

^

jolly ether
#

No u

chrome hinge
#

uwu

fiery lichen
#

This is why people end up modding

Imagine paying $10 nearly a month for 100 slots when emmVRC has had infinite slots for such a long time

proper tendon
vale palm
#

To all the nonfurries yall are cute and sane

blazing adder
#

100 avatar slots
Really devs? I mean you should bump up the default to way more than 16 at least, but making people pay just to increase ? Come the fug on.

winged verge
#

"sorry this a vrchat + only lobby"

upbeat dove
#

More concerned by what this signifies to anyone educated in business and marketing about the long term solvency of the company.

quartz vapor
#

everyone here with more than 2 fucking grooves in their brain can agree the shits that call out furries are on average more annoying then most furries themselves, im out here being the happiest i can be and ya should be too

mighty dew
fiery lichen
sage abyss
#

Lol there was literally a free shader that let you make custom nameplates. It was disallowed and people started getting banned because of it- everyone called it

abstract vault
#

VRC ran out of money lol

chrome hinge
#

how about make the game cost 15 dollars straight up, one time payment, and give these features to everyone

stark solar
#

As a person with a fursona thats a plague doctor, we are fucking cute.

neat bobcat
#

Sorry, Fullbody Tracking for this avatar is restricted without a VRC+ Membership.

primal elbow
#

It only makes me kinda sad that on the vrchat plus site thing it says "we are grateful for our community" and then puts certain things people have been asking for behind a paywall 😦

pale stirrup
#

They aren’t restricting anything other then favorite slots

grim bough
#

the circus is in town

scenic cosmos
winged verge
#

yeah paying their 100 server fee really adds up

leaden finch
#

i'm not talking about client users here, it's just a way to support the game if you don't want to do that then that's why it's optional
@fervent gale But its not really optional. Also those who choose not to support will get looked down on.. Since the trust update the majority of trusted users have looked down on User, New user, Vistors and Known users. Bc they werent as good as them. Same shit will happen here too. ITS BAD

fiery lichen
#

Let me just BUY THE GAME ON STEAM like a normal game!

I’d happily just purchase the fucking game

dawn bridge
#

@sage abyss it was disallowed cause people would impersonate. they don't care otherwise

thorny iris
#

How I see it, VRchat is still in early access. They shouldn't even be thinking of a subscription service. They could've just open a store for avatar, props or mech. Heck they could've open a patreon.

trail gorge
fiery lichen
#

Also if you’re already trusted user, what is the point of a trust boost?

haughty anvil
#

so if i sub and unsub right after do i lose the perks?

quartz vapor
#

mega trust

winged verge
#

wait is safety settings out of beta yet? no? okay.

frail quarry
#

it shouldn't be a paid feature to store more avatar id's on your own game, which is what 'favoriting' an avatar is
just saves the blueprint id for you to quick-switch and takes no extra effort from their servers beyond loading the avatar in to you

pale stirrup
#

Lol I mean probably lol

gloomy remnant
#

bad decision thats that 😆👍👍

dawn bridge
#

@fiery lichen they confirmed this will be on steam too

shy bloom
#

I'm not really sure what the difference is. People can continue playing the game for free. Theyre literally getting 9 more favorite avatars FOR FREE!

chrome hinge
#

You stopped paying BAck TO NEW USER YOU GO

vale palm
#

So you can get banned, lose rank and earn it back faster, duuuh.

grim bough
#

Also if you’re already trusted user, what is the point of a trust boost?
@fiery lichen it's gonna be a new user rank above trusted users

fiery lichen
winter sierra
#

Its kind of funny to see same people complaining about every new major update. I honestly don't care because it is optional to support them.

oblique copper
#

I can't fault the team for wishing to receive funding with regards to "VRChat Plus". However, subscription based services are becoming more prevalent as time goes on, and there are only so many that people are able to cater to. Especially with the aftermath of Covid outbreaks— I have my worries for such a system being put into place now. I would like to support future developments, but perhaps another alternative (non-subscription based/one-time donations) could be employed for those who can't afford to continually pay for such perks? Food for thought. ^^''

blazing adder
#

Oh okay well 25 is not bad then. Still, paying for increase trust? Most people have over 100 hours clocked in and they're still considered "new users"

fervent gale
winged verge
#

you just get reset trust when you stop paying

quartz vapor
#

"dont worry you can trust me kitten, i PAYED for this"

finite steppe
#

Aaand this chat is just as chaotic as i expected.

winged verge
#

LMFAO

sage abyss
#

@dawn bridge You can hover your hand over a user and see their real username, as long as there was a way to see the real username it shouldn't have been a bannable offence

dawn bridge
#

they announced a beta everyone. let us see how this plays out before grabbing pitchforks lmao

pale stirrup
stable trellis
thick tulip
#

Someone can just pay to get out of visitor roll then go be an ass easier

stark solar
#

yeah

strong spear
#

to the people that are suggesting they just make this game purchasable on steam, that's how this game would truly die. I think it being free is what's allowed it to grow as big as it is

knotty light
#

The newest flex for Index Full Body users "Yeah I got the yearly sub bro". sits in front of mirror while someone lap dances on them.

royal jolt
#

they're gona take screenshots of everyone talking shit and reset all of our trust ranks

thick tulip
#

none of this is win

neat bobcat
#

It mentions supporting creators later on, If this means higher quality maps and such then I'm cool with it :v

primal elbow
#

The people who aren't complaining are prolly people who havent been around too long on the game to know the full struggles

upbeat dove
#

An in-house platform for creators like SL has would be nice. But someone will no doubt give me bullshit reasons why that never happened.

jolly ether
frail quarry
#

and paying for trusted rank is a joke
some people earned that thru playtime and uploading content
not that anyone really treated that rank with any respect as its often held by people with the most irritating of avatars

mighty dew
#

VRC+ is a good idea all around, glad the dev team is making smart moves

royal jolt
#

then force us to pay for trust boost

twilit heron
#

I don't understand why they chose to implement premium over fixing all the massively glaring security, networking and performance issues the game has. I'm not gonna pay a subscription for a game that is effectively held together by scotch tape and chewed-up bubble gum.

vale palm
#

@pale stirrup idk but Im leaving now I got a warning : ( big sad, I was just making jokes.

winged verge
#

paying for trust omegalul

stark solar
#

As long as they dont take away stuff from people who don't pay, im cool with it

pale stirrup
gleaming kraken
#

i cant even tell if the actual support for the update in here is sarcasm or not

winged verge
#

what if they fixed the owner bug

leaden finch
#

lol what it is optional what are you talking about. We support the game by being here and playing it already. That's the community's fault for having such a discriminatory mindset
@fervent gale And VRC devs for not seeing that shit would happen. It is thair game so they should do something about it

fiery lichen
robust juniper
#

I can't wait for the "Y'all are just broke 🤡 🤡 🤡" people in public instances

elder galleon
#

@mighty dew no its a horrible idea what u on about

carmine nebula
#

When the mods just stare at the chat like they just took the SATs, feeling so mentally exhausted not knowing what to say

#

Can't tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing

fervent gale
vocal shard
stable trellis
quartz vapor
#

"dont worry you can trust me kitten, i PAYED for this"

fallow trout
gleaming kraken
#

monetizing a game that is a legal nightmare?

winged verge
#

they got 10 million dollars from HTC

granite agate
#

The VRChat devs should just tell their server providers that they only want to pay a One Time Cost to run the servers indefinitely since people hate subscriptions

carmine nebula
#

I'd pay for that performance if there was a way to do it just for that tbh

winged verge
#

10 million

fervent gale
#

gif profile pics would take it up a notch

worthy lintel
elder galleon
#

wasnt it 12 mill @winged verge

neat bobcat
#

I was gonna mention the money they got from HTC

mighty dew
#

You get a trust boost because you tie money to your account you smol brains, so if you get banned you lose money

fiery lichen
#

We will never get security and performance out of VRC

worthy lintel
#

jam is a hero for typing that

frail quarry
#

how about instead of this cashgrab, they do something like adding moderation support to world owners?
we need more than just being able to kick people from a world we made, we need ban features

especially now because paywalling favorite slots is just going to push more people into using clients and client users can crash you, noclip, cheat, etc and that will get worse

knotty light
#

15 million I thought? Plus that Netflix show they were on.

winged verge
#

just use a client ya get unlimited slots

robust juniper
blazing adder
#

Can you pay to get rid of actual children in VRchat with VRchatPlus?

stable trellis