vrchat-general-2

[lunar lark]

if VRC became a stadia exclusive id completely stop playing

[vocal shard]

Custom Compression works too

[umbral reef]

Would also help with performance running on the google machines

[lunar lark]

at that point it would make more sense to make a competitor oof

[covert chasm]

if we could somehow manage to provide assets that you're only allowed to view (when we allow you to) but not copy (whenever you want), we'd stop making vrchat and sell the encryption scheme to the us government for trillions

because we just broke encryption

[cold quiver]

its funny how people criticize vrchat for not being able to secure asset cache files while using models ripped from triple A titles backed by studios/publishers with an order of magnitude more resources and devs. It's impossible, if the files exist on your disk, it will be possible to assess them regardless of any form of encryption, because your client needs to, and the means can be extracted from it.

[covert chasm]

very much a hypersimplified pov

but still

[lunar lark]

i rip stuff from destiny 2

so its more of why cant the entire industry find a beter mothod

[covert chasm]

me too! i paid my artist well for my avatar 😄

[lunar lark]

i make avatars

used to actually

[umbral reef]

so its more of why cant the entire industry find a beter mothod
@lunar lark Because there aint one?

[vocal shard]

doesn't vrchats tos say if you upload on "their" server "they" now own that?

[lunar lark]

well no there are but at that point tupper is right always online DRM or straming like Stadia or Xcloud is the only solution

[umbral reef]

Those aint really solutions. They are more taking away the full PC part

[lunar lark]

but then the players would leave as it would most likely devalue the game an what it means (it would also pretty much kill custom content due to google's TOS for developers)

[amber juniper]

no, you give them permission to redistribute it to others, and some other stuff, and they need that, if not, they couldn't legally let all the players download and view your avatar ;)

[lunar lark]

the assets still have to be saved somewhere

what would they do if a user has unicode characters they cant type

lol that dosent sound like a good method

[covert chasm]

@vocal shard No, I believe the wording is basically such that you implicitly give us a license to allow that asset to be downloaded and viewed on other computers. I may not be right. Please review the ToS for precise terms.

We definitely don't say "haha mine now"

[lunar lark]

@covert chasm that is basiclly it in so many words

[vocal shard]

lol

I assume vrc would run under something like a safe harbor law?

6 is one half a dozen is another

[lunar lark]

in the end when copyright is concerned VRC is a platform an each person is responsable for copyrighted or owned content

[covert chasm]

I neither have the authority nor expertise to answer that question jamie

[lunar lark]

like youtube or some other sites

[sharp saddle]

Haha, data go brrrr.

[vocal shard]

[lunar lark]

i went to school for the entertainment industry

[amber juniper]

question, is there an upload bitrate limit since some days?

[lunar lark]

so yes Jaine they would opersate like youtube

dont think that would go well

[covert chasm]

we'd rather people just uh

have fun and chill out

[lunar lark]

good goal

[amber juniper]

to be honest, they have better things to do.

[lunar lark]

but ill be honest i rather get multicore support then better drm

[covert chasm]

"multi-core support" is a bit of a misnomer-- VRChat already runs on as many cores/threads as are available

however, like basically every game out there that isn't DOOM, we aren't super well optimized for multiple threads

[lunar lark]

true

[covert chasm]

and DOOM cheats because id are fucking geniuses

[lunar lark]

they did write the book on it

[vocal shard]

Just hire John Carmack... I'm sure he isn't too expensive

[amber juniper]

yup id devs are maniacs, they where always maniacs

[lunar lark]

I just think one day VRC should try and optomize more of the physics and cpu based processes an move more graphics based tasks to the gpu. also a good idea would be to try and move away from a p2p network to a more dedicated and client network

to an extent

[covert chasm]

last time we used un-relayed P2P, it caused uh... well

problems 🙂

[lunar lark]

well i mean over a course of years

not immideatly that would be unrealistic

[umbral reef]

Who doesnt enjoy ddosing your own servers 👀

[lunar lark]

true

[covert chasm]

yes, they were fixed

by using relayed p2p

😄

[lunar lark]

hey at least vrc runs better then yandere simulator XD

[covert chasm]

i think what you mean is having authoritative instance servers

which is interesting

but.. even more expensive than what we do now

providing voice, IK, physics sync, and more to over 20k concurrent users 24/7/365?

probably there.

🙂

[lunar lark]

to be honest for people like me fear the day someone decides we have to pay for the sdk when we already have an account and used the sdk for years

[umbral reef]

Vr Pill sells ingame feetpics to keep the servers running. The investor money isnt used for it.

[lunar lark]

i keep hearing rumors it will happen one day

an if it dose i hope it isnt the adobe approach

[vocal shard]

Omg oclac

[lunar lark]

XD

[covert chasm]

Obviously I can't provide money details on things, but I can tell you: running VRChat is not free, and it costs dollars, and sometimes those dollars come in amounts that are more than one digit

[umbral reef]

Two digit dollars hype

[covert chasm]

tree fiddy

[jolly ether]

I'll give you at least one digit per feet pic

[lunar lark]

any game that is multiplayer has those more then one dollar costs to run

[vocal shard]

So everybody! Buy that vrc merch

[lunar lark]

i mean you got to hand steam a hundred dollars just to upload a game

that dosent include servers game engine licensing fees an etc

because unity

[jolly ether]

wait where's vrc merch?

[covert chasm]

its on our site! https://vrchat.com

click on store on the top i think

shirts and hoodies and stuff

[jolly ether]

why have I not noticed this

[vocal shard]

LTTstore.com vrchat.com

[umbral reef]

Self botting Tupper

[covert chasm]

nope

[jolly ether]

tupper omg lmao

[covert chasm]

hold shift

🙂

[umbral reef]

Wait thats a thing?

[covert chasm]

yessir

if you react to a message hold shift and it won't close the menu

[umbral reef]

Damn, discord adding all them things without making it visually clear

[jolly ether]

bruh yall sell lounge pants

[covert chasm]

ye

[humble cairn]

oh sh*t i had no idea there was merch and i been on this game for almost 4 years now

[covert chasm]

i have the hoodie and a shirt

they're pretty dang nice

[lunar lark]

i knew there was merch for a while

[amber juniper]

I think Tupper is a VRChat shill >.>

[covert chasm]

i.. work

[lunar lark]

i mean he dose work there

[covert chasm]

for vrchat

[jolly ether]

I think my store page is borked

[lunar lark]

like im a shill for my boss if it means you buy more pizza

[amber juniper]

(X) doubt

:P

[covert chasm]

i mean do you want a paystub

actually

how do i get a paystub

[lunar lark]

XD

[covert chasm]

huh

[lunar lark]

you get your boss to give you one

[amber juniper]

I'm just messing with you ^^

[umbral reef]

Does money just magically pop into your bank account tupper?

[covert chasm]

i know i'm being a shithead

yes

[amber juniper]

that was because of the merch :P

[covert chasm]

unironically

[lunar lark]

lol

[covert chasm]

anyways im gonna make an announce post now

[lunar lark]

lol people invest in vrc because vrc has no competitors

[amber juniper]

lol people invest in vrc because vrc has no competitors
@lunar lark this

[lunar lark]

XD

[plain surge]

ooga

[amber juniper]

even with all it's flaws it's the best and most open VR Social "game" that is out there

[cold quiver]

20k concurrent players doesnt means theres only 20k active players

[umbral reef]

@plush bison a platform/game like this is a fair bit more data intensive then a website/other games.

[muted wharf]

According to Discord, we fixed that issue in under a minute

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm why were avatar show/hide/reset events disabled?

Y'all fast

[amber juniper]

Good job Nyx ♥️

[lunar lark]

vrchat mods are like discord mods lots of people do them even against tos

people are people an people can be dumb

[jolly ether]

vrchat blankets O:

[lunar lark]

a lot

i dont recommend doing it

unless you got a spare million lol

[muted wharf]

20 gazillion shmoogabytes per second

[lunar lark]

XD

[covert chasm]

i know the numbers roughly

i am not going to tell you

but i am, however, laughing a bit

[lunar lark]

i hate the fact i went to school to be a audio engineer an i am a dishwasher at a pizza place

[vocal shard]

[lunar lark]

like sucks videogames are my refuge

[vocal shard]

@lunar lark ty for mentioning pizza ima go get some

[amber juniper]

crap, now I'm also hungry

[vocal shard]

I went to school for business management, accounting, also licensed insurance broker.... And I swing a hammer for living

[lunar lark]

XD

an rip

[umbral reef]

@muted wharf Should try putting some packing tape into your server then.
That way the data can be packed together all nice and tiny so its cheaper to send.

[lunar lark]

gotta say though i got farther in food service then a family full of chefs XD

an i am a audio engineer by trade

[muted wharf]

Sorry, forgot to tilt our routers backwards at a 35 degree angle so the data flows more freely from gravity

[shy elbow]

Man I still crash when I go to another world

[lunar lark]

lol

[umbral reef]

Im a medical engineer and probably in a year a drop out electrical engineer because i forgot how boring school can be😎

[lunar lark]

Man I still crash when I go to another world
@shy elbow this should be a discord quote on startup lol

[shy elbow]

o

[jolly ether]

I think the vrchat store is out of lounge pants

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

(/s)

[lunar lark]

time to go mess around in FL Studio

an ultamently get nothing done

😄

lol

i got the producer bundle for FL Studio

i used to use CUBASE

[vocal shard]

Me too. I forgot I bought it. But it's not on my computer rn

[lunar lark]

to be honest i am not a fan of Ablton or Logic and ProTools disgust me

i make music lol

again i went to school to be a music producer an audio engineer

so if you ever needed a person to set up an run a sound board at a concert you hire someone like me lol

[vocal shard]

hi

[lunar lark]

hi

[vocal shard]

hruu

[lunar lark]

AV and Music Production

i was taught on the job

filled in one day for a dj at a club i cooked for an well they taught me everything i know an did it for four years

so yeah did stuff on the sides like local concerts an festivals

good money but covid happened an well cant do it right now

so i wash dishes for a pizza place now

i wish i had any tables

had to seel all mystuff

my vinal turntables my sound board my controller my speakers an a nice macbook pro with sarato dj on it

my drum mics an other mics to

rip me basiclly my entire home studio

hey we all start somewhere man

XD my dad skipped town when i was born

lol

i do that my neighbors hate it

more like a felony an a half an never came back

ah

my dad started a entire new family an shit. i know him now an well the fact he left me an my older sister passed when i was five. lets say it was a violent reunion

[cold wind]

ouff i just join and read this^

[lunar lark]

context i was born in the west side of jaxsonvile florida an grew up in a gang ran area

ah

lol you may have met my father then XD

yeah you probably meet him

trust me i gave him a good slapping

oh fun

never trust a greg is all i gotta say

that is good then

you dont want what they are sellin

true

but i prefer a good drink

to be honest once my gf is done with college she is getting a job in russia an we will move there lol

it will cause all hell one day XD cant wait

i can hold my drinks

so dont worry

ah it takes me a decent bottle of the good stuff jack sparrow drinks to get me out like that

ah yeah i get that

lol autocorrect strikes again

imagnine the day vrc autocorrect

XD

it will happen one day

lol your making me think of a episode of SAO Abridged

where Kirito finds out there is a profanity filter

lol i got it

The Dotsu is always right foundation grand reopening

oof

the bot just denied you man

[muted wharf]

[lunar lark]

oh no man dont do it is it to drastic its just a bot

then again.... we need to win against the machines

oh lol

oh god

content right here bois

XD

so there is a profanity filter XD

we need rage against the machines XD

for i reject your reality and suplant it with my own

lol i am anemic

[sharp heron]

Why, is it not possible to edit the latest default WMR bindings for VRChat?
I do not like how the joysticks can move, I liked the old binding I had (but this causes Jump to not work)...

Please do. 🙂

I wish I could do it myself, but for some reason it won't allow that anymore.

All I saw were my old bindings.

Not anyone else's.

Sure.

[violet ivy]

hey does anyone know where to find crash reports in your VRC files?

[molten gale]

@violet ivy AppData/LocalLow/Vrchat has logs

I recommend using the log parser tool to check them

What is the issue

[violet ivy]

thank you! @molten gale

[molten gale]

Nice

Oh well that distraction worked better than I expected

Ty mods

[violet ivy]

um.. where do I go to Appdata? ;w;

[molten gale]

Users/[Username]

shouldve added that, my bad

[muted wharf]

Shortcut: WindowsKey + R -> %appdata%\..\LocalLow\VRChat

[molten gale]

Oh wait %appdata% works too

I remember doing that for minecraft mods lol

[violet ivy]

what if you don't have local low?

[molten gale]

Thats concerning

[muted wharf]

Then your installation of Windows is cursed or something

[molten gale]

Also hi nyx I saw you on friday/saturday

[violet ivy]

nevermind i was in roaming like a dummy

[molten gale]

understandable have a good day

[violet ivy]

okay so.. I crashed after having a new avatar uploaded to my account and I crashed but I have no crash report

[molten gale]

There should be

The game generates it mid-session

[violet ivy]

When i crashed a small window saying VRChat Unity would open and close quickly and i crashed but not the regular unity opening/starter

[molten gale]

Uh can I see the logs folder?

[violet ivy]

logs as in like- all the crash logs?

[molten gale]

Yeah

[muted wharf]

@molten gale was it the devouring world?

There was a lot of people in there

[molten gale]

Yes

[sharp saddle]

Heyo Paci. o/

[molten gale]

Hi

[arctic wind]

Hello Paci

[molten gale]

Hai

[mellow palm]

Oh pacis back

nice

[vocal shard]

hey can someone please tell me how can i join my friends world in VR chat

please

[mellow palm]

go to social click on his profile and click join

[vocal shard]

ok thanks

[feral obsidian]

I want more Touhou avatars

I want arm controls on PC

[amber juniper]

and I want a pink unicorn

for some things you need to work for, and others just don't happen ;)

[feral obsidian]

Surgeon Simulator controls for VRChat

[sharp saddle]

Surgeon Simulator controls for VRChat
@feral obsidian Fund it.

[feral obsidian]

I'll fund it with old fishing nets

[polar garden]

People have been showing up as online on VRChat randomly, and then going offline, it is pretty strange

[mellow palm]

arm controls for pc sound like cancer

[polar garden]

okay @mellow palm fox thank you for your opinion on the matter

[mellow palm]

glad to help

[golden scaffold]

That's pretty spooky. We do have work being done on the social stuff and I expect we'll knock out a bug like that as soon as it's all cleared up.

Definitely been having issues myself

[mellow palm]

Do you know that feeling when you join a map and it instantly starts to lag because of the non optimized anime catboys?

[golden scaffold]

Yes. Absolutely

[polar garden]

@mellow palm don't forget to review your safety settings for non-optimized catboys

[mellow palm]

ive gone through their avatar stats once

120k polygons 200k polygons 130k polygons

like what the hell

Theres much more to list but Im not that good with avatar stats

[golden scaffold]

Many people don't spend any time at all on optimization

[mellow palm]

I just know they are bad.

[golden scaffold]

The ones that do deserve a gold medal 🥇

[mellow palm]

in a game where high fps is lifesaving these avatars are a pest

me and my gtx 1060 are both struggling

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, I bet lol

[mellow palm]

oh wait I just noticed youre in the fuggin team yourself

Nice

I really need to adjust my settings for these unoptimized avatars I guess

[golden scaffold]

Lol yeah. I don't miss the times when we practically couldn't do anything to badly reporting avatars and your frame rate just tanks 📉

[mellow palm]

at least hiding avatars is a thing

The tool I use the most

[golden scaffold]

Indeed. Safety system and the performance options help out a ton

[mellow palm]

yeah I got all of these extras blocked from anyone who isnt my friend

there are avatars who straight up crash your game

or make you vomit

depends on the shader they want to use

[golden scaffold]

Always report those when possible

[mellow palm]

never notice em luckily so I cant report much lol

got em blocked as I said

something weird happened today though

vrchat opened itself in two tabs

and I was fully functional in both

never happened to me

[golden scaffold]

that's a weird one

[mellow palm]

As in I was in two worlds at the same time

game crashed once I tried to join the same server lol

or rather I got kicked I think

[polar garden]

I don't think that is a VRChat bug, I have had that happen before in other apps

[mellow palm]

"two accounts on the same world"

[muted wharf]

You crossed the streams

[mellow palm]

thats what I thought XD

like splitting my soul into two

I made a horcrux

[golden scaffold]

Maybe not a VRChat bug specifically but I'm not sure if we do enough to prevent something like that happening systematically. Pretty weird!

[polar garden]

It is ok for me, I have split personalities and it works great when it happens

[mellow palm]

wait it happened to you too?

where the game split into two?

[polar garden]

On AltspaceVR it has happened, I am still new to VRChat

[mellow palm]

ive had like 70 hours but am still desktop

[polar garden]

Tether to your phone with Steam and some bluetooth controllers

[shut zodiac]

anyone to play

[mellow palm]

Maybe not a VRChat bug specifically but I'm not sure if we do enough to prevent something like that happening systematically. Pretty weird!
I mean people cant really use such bug as an exploit or something the game already has preventions to counteract multible instances of the same player

as I said once I joined the same map with both instances I got thrown out

And before you ask, I was just curious what would happen thats why I tried it lol

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, I don't expect it's abusable but maybe something we can probably stop the client from allowing when we have the time to fix something like that. Not a big deal

[mellow palm]

aight

[polar garden]

@golden scaffold it is interesting how different platforms foster different communities, almost as if they all had their own culture

[molten gale]

Ive heard poor performance

Ever been to a japanese event?

Perform worse than public instances or eboy dance parties

Since none of them really use blender

[golden scaffold]

Not sure how other platforms are like but yeah, I'm sure everyone has their own way of doing things

[molten gale]

Their booth stuff is slapped on in unity and such so models have so many meshes, materials and bones its insane

but in their defense nobody uses crashers, obnoxious shaders or such

super nice and wholesome people

[golden scaffold]

indeed, they just need to be respectful of other people's framerate

[molten gale]

its so safe I can turn my safety to none

and since i upgraded my pc perf block to very poor

[mellow palm]

Dont they just steal models out of other games and directly put em in vrchat?

which is one of the reasons why they are so horribly optimized

[molten gale]

No

[mellow palm]

no´?

[molten gale]

The japanese use models from a website called booth

[mellow palm]

hmm never heard of that

[molten gale]

where independant modelers sell their 3d models, ready for vrc use

and in most cases also outfits and such for them

[mellow palm]

that sounds awfully framerate friendly or what do you mean with "ready for vrc use"

[molten gale]

they usually are pretty performant

unless you dont put them thru blender

[polar garden]

It's not ripping that causes issues, it's poor understanding of Unity that causes optimization issues

[molten gale]

theyre supposed to be customizable so come with many seperate meshes

and the japanese just add more and more, never dragging it into blender

I attend a jp event weekly

[mellow palm]

jp?

[molten gale]

I am one of the only booth model users there who is good/medium with dynbones

Nothing a 2070 Super and an i9 10900k cant handle lmao

[mellow palm]

oof

that would be like my dream hardware

[polar garden]

Blender wont guarantee good performance, it is very flexible, you can use blender, IMHO you are better off designing your avatars in Unity alone

[molten gale]

its missing the 3080

[mellow palm]

but I wanna stick with amd for upgrades

isnt the amd one much stronger?

[molten gale]

bad idea for vr

amd has super unstable vr in the last gens

[mellow palm]

never heard of that issue before

[polar garden]

What's wrong with AMD on VR? It runs fine

[molten gale]

@polar garden I merge materials and meshes, remove unnecessary bones and verts that dont need to be there

Frequent crashing

[mellow palm]

id love to read about that if you have any at hand

[vocal shard]

in unity alone

[mellow palm]

amds supposed flaws

[vocal shard]

That's how you wind up with 9+ skinned mesh renderers.

And dozens of material slots.

[mellow palm]

what does your name say?

[molten gale]

Firstly amd drivers suck, they crash a lot in vr and stuff like dlss and such dont exist either

[vocal shard]

Sakuya. I forgot to set my nickname.

[molten gale]

@vocal shard thats what I mean

[mellow palm]

aw thats a nice name

[vocal shard]

There we go.

[molten gale]

I feel like I am one of the only people who uses booth models and optimizes them in blender

[vocal shard]

The nerdy boothbrains I hang around do also, but.

They're not JP.

[polar garden]

I have had more issues with nvidia drivers then AMD, that is not to say one brand is better, but AMD doesn't have this "buggy driver" issue people make them out to have, that is just a load of bs

[mellow palm]

I feel like I am one of the only people who uses booth models and optimizes them in blender
and we are thankful for your existence

[molten gale]

32 dynbones, 1 or 2 meshes (toggles) and only few materials

without dynbones most of my models have a good perf rating

otherwise they are medium

[mellow palm]

oh you guys know what also bugs me a lot

people who can copy private avatars through whatever means

[vocal shard]

Same. I'm only even lazy with my mats because having two colliders and a handful of checks puts me at medium when I was deep green before.

[mellow palm]

happened to me yesterday

its bizzare

[polar garden]

I mean, learn how to use a computer before blaming AMD

[molten gale]

Dude I work at IT

[mellow palm]

Amds latest generations are fresh outta the oven I think we should give them some time to spam out updates to their drivers and compatibilities

[molten gale]

Yeah

Also waiting for amd vr benchmarks

[mellow palm]

[vocal shard]

Like, I've had no issues with my RX 580 and VR, but.

[molten gale]

But most people ive talked to recommend against amd in vr

[vocal shard]

AMD has always been dodgier on the drivers front.

[polar garden]

seriously? just marketting, how about people stop depending on GPU's to solve problems they dont need to

[molten gale]

Also shader issues

Some shaders just break with amd gpus

[mellow palm]

stevecam you talk about it as if it was something personal lol

[polar garden]

shaders break because you have still got your old shaders precached

[mellow palm]

its just some hardware brands

I prefer amd for the cpu and nvidia for the graphics cards tbh

[molten gale]

No some shaders just turn black on amd

[polar garden]

I am just saying it how it is, someone who has written a shader and understands how a GPU works

[molten gale]

@mellow palm until amd releases their new cpus, intel is king in vrc

single core performance is important in vrc

even tho it uses 4 cores

[polar garden]

In VRChat? If the shader was broken the game would segv and stop

[molten gale]

I have a friend with an avatar thats entirely black if the person viewing it has an amd gpu

[mellow palm]

@mellow palm until amd releases their new cpus, intel is king in vrc
@molten gale it wont be long until that

and intel isnt king

theyve been beaten by amd so many times in the past years now

[molten gale]

I said "In vrc"

[polar garden]

Is it an old GPU?

[molten gale]

Its not

[mellow palm]

oh misread it sry

[polar garden]

Then it is the shader

If the shader was breaking the GPU then VRChat would crash

[molten gale]

The gpu just fails to display it

or whatever the term is

[polar garden]

No, it crashes VRChat, Unity doesn't handle faulty shaders

[molten gale]

But yeah amd is good but according to people I asked nvidia has way more stable vr

well see once benchmarks are out

[polar garden]

Intel is expensive, they have expensive options lol

[molten gale]

But at this high end point it doesnt matter what performs better

i mean nvidia aaaaa

[polar garden]

If you have a lot of money and want to buy a high-end gaming PC, you would just use Intel hardware 100%

[molten gale]

even my i9 10900k causes bottlenecks in a lot of cases

[polar garden]

That's because a 10900K is for CPU processing, not high end GPU Input/Output

[molten gale]

yeah

I know

By that I mean that gpu doesnt matter as soon as you reach levels like 2070S

because no matter what you do your cpu will limit you

[polar garden]

Just use a CPU with more bandwidth, Intel has other options, not everyone wants a Xeon, but they have X series that have much better throughput

[molten gale]

Single core perf is the issue

[broken plover]

overclock to 10ghz /s

[molten gale]

there is no cpu on the market with higher single core perf atm

until amd releases theirs soon

[polar garden]

Single core perf for what? Gaming? You don't need high core perf for gaming

[molten gale]

Vrchat

Single core performance is suuuuper important in vrc

[polar garden]

That is the whole point, the 10900K has better core perf and less IO, whereas the 10900X has worse core perf and higher Input Output

[molten gale]

As it only runs on 4 cores and the main thread has to handle all dynbones

[polar garden]

VRChat uses more then 4 cores, that is what a GPU is for

[molten gale]

it doesnt

vrchat performs better if limited to 4 cores than if it was using all 10

[polar garden]

If you are getting too much context switching then pin to 4 cores on your CPU, but VRChat depends on more then 4 cores, if you have a GPU installed it should use those cores instead because it is more efficient to do so

Do you know how to pin your cores?

[molten gale]

Set Affinity?

[polar garden]

Yes

[molten gale]

Yes thats what I mean

I get better frames if I do that only using the first 4

[polar garden]

Have you pinned the other IO like disk, sound and network?

[molten gale]

no

[polar garden]

Once you start noticing the difference, you will start buying Xeon's xD

[molten gale]

yea no

[polar garden]

too much power?

[stone sluice]

Za warudoo!!!

[modern hill]

Vrchat runs on all cores* just not very efficient lol

[warm mountain]

preach it brother

[vocal shard]

im having issues whit vrchat rn

[warm mountain]

VRChat do be lagging 99% of the times tho

[vocal shard]

it dosent answer

[warm mountain]

Once you open it, it crashes?

[vocal shard]

yes

and its bc its MOMS COMPUTER

lol

i forgot my password to my own computer

[feral obsidian]

?

[vocal shard]

[modern hill]

Yare yare

[stark hound]

hello guys

[modern hill]

Hihi

[vocal shard]

hey

[vital dove]

!online

[slate rock]

I love vrchat

[vocal shard]

@slate rock VRChat is amazing!

[raw pine]

VRChat is amazing!
@vocal shard@slate rock You both are amazing and wonderful people!

[modern hill]

[random mountain]

I need a hand :S

My VRChat is broken :S

And of course, nobody response

[vocal shard]

Finding vrchat avatars is friggin annoying

At least finding ones that you know how they look but don’t know where they came from

[random mountain]

O H

[forest lantern]

just search some up on yt lmaoo

[vocal shard]

I’m looking for a specific one

[grand zenith]

Thats where socializing and asking friends or people could help you.

[vocal shard]

Yea, my friend who has it is acting weird

I mean she gets annoyed at us for not being able to join a game cause something unexpected came up

Or at least that’s what the others have told me

[grand zenith]

happens lost an friendgroup aswell recently but meh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest lantern]

yeah tbh

[vocal shard]

Also she won’t give the Ava to me as she likes it so much, so we had a solution that I could get a variation of the avatar, we were both fine with that

But she insists on finding the world and won’t give the name

[grand zenith]

Does she own it?

Like did she make it or?

[vocal shard]

But enough of the rant,

Nope

[grand zenith]

Do you know the author of the avatar?

[vocal shard]

It’s a public avatar

[grand zenith]

Like if you click on her avatar you'd be able to see who made it

Using that name you can find the avatar

[vocal shard]

Is it possible to do that on desktop

[grand zenith]

Ye

If you can send me the name of the author and avatar you'd want I can try to look for it

[vocal shard]

I waiting for my quest2, I have VD

[grand zenith]

Welp, if you get me the author name I'd give it a try

[vocal shard]

K

Dose the person need to be online, I forgot

[grand zenith]

Unless you know the name itself You'd probably have to find someone who's currently in the avatar.

[clear warren]

Good morning everyone

[vocal shard]

If you want the avatar picture I can dm it to you

[grand zenith]

Don't know if i could recognize the avatar from just an image but sure xd

[forest lantern]

how does it look ?

dm

[vocal shard]

Just gonna say a bit lewd

[clear warren]

Mai-san I wouldn't mind a picture of it

[vocal shard]

Does anyone know where I can find a yandere avatar

[covert herald]

Hey, so I've got a question that's been bugging me for a couple of days now, How on earth do you get the music to play in the Volt Club? I can't help but feel like it's broken suddenly 2 nights ago

Ignore that, I fixed it by doing nothing differently, it just now works

[amber juniper]

the cdn behind the void club is still a work in progress, maybe the dev made some changes

[tulip bridge]

any1 wana go avatar shoppin with me

i cant seem to find a fitting avatar

[plush acorn]

Anyone know what level of trust does it take to upload a world? Currently green but never really uploaded anything

[deft temple]

could i get some help with SDK2?

pleaaasseee?

[spice gull]

hi guys

can i ask something about avatars?

[covert herald]

@amber juniper Not the Void Club, the Volt Club, but either way I got it to work with people there... On that note, if anybody is up for it I'll be throwing a dance party there next weekend

[amber juniper]

well, I don't go in those worlds, so... apologies for not recognize the difference

[covert herald]

No apologies needed, It's an easy mistake

[spice gull]

anyone....

[oblique rivet]

[spice gull]

[covert herald]

What do you need to know?

[deft temple]

Yknow what, can someone just help me with the whole process?

[spice gull]

the hololive okayu and korones combination

catdog

an avatars

[deft temple]

If someone wants to help, dm me and I'll get back to you later, cause I want my custom avatar to work ingame lol

[covert herald]

@deft temple You'd be better posting that in #avatar-help

[spice gull]

[covert herald]

@spice gull I don't understand what the question is, sorry

[radiant canyon]

I’ve got a question regarding one of the settings, I cannot find it in VR-chat, where could I ask it?

[spice gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A9aekUFz1c

here is the avatar

[clear warren]

I have found quite a liking for this server

[covert herald]

@radiant canyon Try #vrchat-support

[spice gull]

i wanna this avatar....

[covert herald]

Ohhh

You want to know where to find it?

[spice gull]

yep

[radiant canyon]

Right, will do, though I thought a small answer of where it is will do.

[spice gull]

i go find so many place

[covert herald]

@radiant canyon I'm still new here (Just over 60hrs in game), I'm just trying to direct people where to find the best help instead of giving potentially wrong info

[plush acorn]

I'mma ask again because it seems like it's active now. At what trust level does a user need to get to upload a world?

[grand zenith]

New user is already allowed to upload worlds/avatars

[radiant canyon]

I see, that is good, though, I just want to know how do I change it from moving in 3rd person to 1st person, but I’ll try to find the answer where you directed me to

[plush acorn]

Blue. Okay~ I haven't uploaded anything in 2 years. Not sure if rules changed

[spice gull]

@covert herald you are a great guy

[vocal shard]

oh well me im really new olny 6.2 hour

and i would like to knwow how to change to 3rd person to 1st

[deft temple]

@covert herald I'm using SDK2

[spice gull]

so ahhh where can i find this avatars..

oh i'am 617 hour now

[covert herald]

@plush acorn From what I understand, New User should be able to (Blue name border)

Acording to an email I got when I leveled up my trust to New User

[vocal shard]

I believe it's new user for avatar, and user for world

[covert herald]

@radiant canyon If you're talking about in-game settings then there is an option to change from 3rd person turning to 1st in the top-left of the settings menu... Though I'm only assuming

[radiant canyon]

Let me check, I might have missed it

[covert herald]

@spice gull That's very kind of you, I'll do a bit of research and get back to you if I find anything

@deft temple Then #avatars-2-general maybe

[radiant canyon]

On the top left I see “comfort and safety” tab

[spice gull]

oh ok thank you so much

[vocal shard]

and how can i change my keybind because for me my F button is replace white other button

for my pc

like for f1 it a other thing

[covert herald]

@radiant canyon Sorry, my bad... Centre of the option menu, 2nd option down... Again, I don't even know if this is your issue

[radiant canyon]

Let me try something here

Oh, it worked! Thank you

[covert herald]

@radiant canyon I'm glad I could help

I'm legit hungover as all hell right now, so I'm surprised I'm being this productive

@vocal shard I'll DM you a video that might help

[vocal shard]

k

[languid beacon]

So how many users did we peak at last night

[keen field]

Anyone with the Quest 2 and Valve Index? Which one do you use the most? Still not sure which one to get, and Index has a 8 week wait time...

[mellow palm]

get the index

[grand zenith]

Are you someone who travels alot and goes to other places?

[mellow palm]

facebook poo poo

[vocal shard]

does anyone here make worlds i rlly need some help

[covert herald]

@keen field It depends what features you want and what your budget is

[grand zenith]

If so go for Quest. Any other reason index

[mellow palm]

and index is also a lot easier to fullbody and upgrades to newer headsets

[keen field]

I stay home! lol and it would be my first VR

[clear warren]

Meliodas I like your pfp

[grand zenith]

Index 100%

You do not want to suffer with Facebook's trash.

[mellow palm]

Agreed

[mortal jackal]

Don't you need a chunky PC for index

[grand zenith]

Not really

[mellow palm]

Getting a quest is like moving in with a mad roomate

[keen field]

Alright! I'll take the wait time and be patient haha

[languid beacon]

Anyone with the Quest 2 and Valve Index? Which one do you use the most? Still not sure which one to get, and Index has a 8 week wait time...
@keen field I don’t own both, but I’ve used both. If you are considering PCVR, there is no question the index’s huge field of view is a game changer and stomps the Quest 2. However, the 1k price tag means you should probably wait to see reviews for the 600 usd HPReverb G2, or the 500 USD Samsung Decagear. Both of them could easily be better than an index at a far lower price. We don’t know their specs in detail yet.

[grand zenith]

RX480 with any Ryzen 3 or 5 CPU is good enough to run any game

[mellow palm]

you never know what will happen

[clear warren]

Actually my plan was trying to get tracking on my quest 2

[keen field]

well I have a 1070 and a i7-7700k

[grand zenith]

Thats plenty

[clear warren]

I have the PC to do it

[grand zenith]

• You don't have to push 144FPS on the index

[mellow palm]

@keen field how about a used htc vive?

[clear warren]

Just need the tracker anyone got any recommendations?

[grand zenith]

Downscaling + FPS locking is also good.

Oh yeah a good combo that I had a while ago

[mellow palm]

If you just wanna start with vr a used htc vive is good

index is high class

[grand zenith]

HTC Vive + trackers + Valve Knuckles

[clear warren]

I can back Fox up I have an HTC Vive

[grand zenith]

Still under the Valve index full price tag

I still have mine packed behind me Currently using Index

[mellow palm]

yeah and its upgradable to the index once you decide to continue your vr stuff

[covert herald]

Index will naturally beat the Quest 2 in terms of performance due to utilising your PC hardware, whereas the Quest uses a Qualcom Snapdragon (Android) CPU

[mellow palm]

you can use the quest as a normal headset too

[grand zenith]

Quest 2 can also utilize your PC

[covert herald]

You can

[grand zenith]

But since he doesn't move anywhere a PC VR is probably going to be a lot better for him.

[languid beacon]

Index will naturally beat the Quest 2 in terms of performance due to utilising your PC hardware, whereas the Quest uses a Qualcom Snapdragon (Android) CPU
@covert herald My assumption here was that we were comparing index to quest link I don’t think anyone would compare index to native Quest apps

[covert herald]

@languid beacon I see my mistake now

[grand zenith]

Personal advice from someone who went from Original Rift > Vive > Index Stick to Vive/Valve depending on your budget and what you wish to do with VR

IF you're going to be casually playing once every while go for the Vive and upgrade over time.

[mellow palm]

@keen field htc doesnt produce the vive anymore but as long as you can get your hands on a functional used headset youre good for a while cus every accessory is still being sold

id reccomend searchint for a used one they go for around 300

[grand zenith]

^

[keen field]

HTC Vive Pro right?

[grand zenith]

NONO

[covert herald]

@keen field No

[grand zenith]

There's 2 headsets you should never look at or speak off

[mellow palm]

NONONONO

[covert herald]

The Vive Pro was more built for Devs

[keen field]

LOL ok ok

[grand zenith]

Vive Pro and Vive Cosmos.

Those don't exist.

[spice gull]

[mellow palm]

avoid the pro like the pest

its useless

[grand zenith]

Just HTC Vive - Valve Index

Others don't exist xD

[mellow palm]

Yes

Well the hp reverb g2 looks tasty ngl

[grand zenith]

People talk about the G2 but SteamVR tracking always beats inside tracking

[covert herald]

@keen field What is your budget?

[mellow palm]

but sadly it uses infrared trackers for controllers so its not compatible with htc or steams

[keen field]

That's the new one that will release right? but it's HP... always breaks

[grand zenith]

It's easier to obtain and easier to upgrade

[mellow palm]

inside tracking is odd

[clear warren]

Anyone know which full body tracker I should buy for my quest to I'm kind of confused if there's a specific one for the quest or if I can just buy any

[vocal shard]

I can't stand vive resolution tbh. Even vive pro

[grand zenith]

Are you planning to invest into full body or more accesories @keen field ?

[vocal shard]

So I use wmr headset with index controllers and fbt

[keen field]

No idea! never had VR before so i'll see how I feel after trying!

[clear warren]

Like I'm not a big fan of the ones that aren't as accurate I want hip trackers leg trackers knee trackers

[covert herald]

@keen field It's hard to recommend anything without knowing what you can afford haha

[grand zenith]

tbh safely I'd probably start with a Vive since it's good for entry and trying out VR but if you're honestly got the budget and patience go for the Index

You won't regret it.

[keen field]

@covert herald Index is 1300$CAD so around that max

[grand zenith]

Other headsets like WMR aren't really the best way of introducing someone into VR imo

[vocal shard]

I will say, I have been missing inside out tracking sometimes compared to my index tracking...

[mellow palm]

why??

[grand zenith]

You're the first person I've ever seen someone say that

Inside tracking over Lighthouses

[vocal shard]

Because inside out tracking like rift s just always works. Where as I always have to check my vr room to make sure there's nothing reflective and had to move my computer under my desk to prevent tracking issues with lighthouses

[grand zenith]

The only reflective things could be TV's and Mirrors if i'm correct?

Personally never had issues with tracking regarding SteamVR

And i have 1.0 and 2.0 Lighthouses

and Rift Sensors

[vocal shard]

Wmr inside out tracking is meh. Rift s and quest inside out is better than CV1 outside in, but still slightly behind index/vive

[covert herald]

@keen field Okay, that makes it easier... The Valve Index will give you the best experience straight out of the box, Obviously it is at the top of your budget though... You can always get the Vive and add the Index knuckle controllers, and then maybe full body tracking for about the same price as the Index basic set

[clear warren]

@grand zenith I really want my question answered and you seem like the type to be able to answer it what full body tracker should I buy for my Oculus quest two

I have virtual desktop so I can run on PC too

I also have an original HTC Vive

[vocal shard]

I have gecko tanks, and a drum set... So those are my biggest issues with causing reflection for lighthouse

[grand zenith]

Full body with Oculus quest is a little bit of a hacky setup. But you'd still require any type of basestations + SteamVR trackers.

Don't invest into any other kind of Locomotion or Tracking solutions

[languid beacon]

I 100% do not recommend the original vive. Not only is it very old, and the lowest resolution headset you can buy, it's also crazy overpriced, and has the worst controllers that don't even have analog sticks.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, use vive trackers

[covert herald]

I'm just gonna put it out there, I've been pretty damn impressed with the Rift S so far

[grand zenith]

They're purely for Locomotion or specific game situations they do not give you the actual outcome you want.

[clear warren]

@languid beacon I do regret buying it but there's no one that'll buy it off me XD

[grand zenith]

@languid beacon Thats why we advice Vive + Index knuckles

As a starter to warm up and see if you like it to upgrade it to index

Since it's a cheaper start but since he has the budget it wouldn't matter.

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 isn't great, I don't recommend it, but if it's Rift S vs Quest 2, there's no downsides to going with Quest 2.

[grand zenith]

I personally enjoyed the Vive alot after I bought the knuckles

[languid beacon]

Rift S is discontinued for a reason

[grand zenith]

You mean abandoned xD

The entire Rift series

[clear warren]

Right now I'm working on my PC

[covert herald]

@languid beacon I didn't do my research before I purchased it... But I'm still happy

[languid beacon]

To my knowledge it's discontinued.

[clear warren]

But when my PC is finished being built I might try index

[languid beacon]

Rift S and original Vive are the two headsets that I would not recommend in any circumstances - they've been entirely replaced with better, cheaper headsets

[vocal shard]

but f a c e b o o k

[grand zenith]

No

No facebook

[languid beacon]

but f a c e b o o k
@vocal shard Rift S already has facebook, you might as well use Quest 2. If you don't like facebook, and Index is too expensive for you, wait for HP Reverb G2 or Samsung Decagear.

[mellow palm]

Whats so bad about the original vive?

[covert herald]

As long as you're not doing anything on Facebook that'll get you banned tehn you shoul dbe fine

[languid beacon]

Whats so bad about the original vive?
@mellow palm It is the lowest resolution headset currently still being sold.

[mellow palm]

Its not being sold

Htc vive discontinued

[grand zenith]

Yeah it's not sold anymore

has to be through resellers

[languid beacon]

Ok, in that case "It's the lowest resolution headset"

[mellow palm]

And is it really the worst resolutions out of all??

Thats hard to believe

[grand zenith]

Thing is it might be on the lower side

But it's also one of the most optimized ones for medium entry PC's

[clear warren]

It was crazy overpriced but it was the best of its time

[languid beacon]

Original vive is a blury mess and will give bad impressions of VR imho :X

[grand zenith]

I disagree with that xD

[clear warren]

I bought it right when it was released

[languid beacon]

you can buy headsets half the cost for 4x the resolutions

[vocal shard]

I've owned:
Oculus Dev kits
Rift CV1
Rift S
Quest
Most wmr headsets
Cosmos Eliet (with steamvr tracking)

Extensively used/tested
Vive
Vive pro

Really they're all not that too far from each other anymore. I would just avoid the first vive and rift, and everything else is decent

[mellow palm]

I have a couple of friends who use the htc vive and theyve never complained

[languid beacon]

Owned & Used extensively:
Rift DK2
Rift CV1
Quest 1
Index

Used momentarily:
Original Vive
Vive Pro
Quest 2

[clear warren]

The quest one was revolutionary bro

It felt so good to get the cord off my neck

[grand zenith]

Rift CV1
HTC Vive
Valve Index

o/

[clear warren]

Especially since I bought a elite strap and a battery pack

But I'm going to buy the same thing for my quest too

2*

[languid beacon]

Quest 1 was an insanely uncomfortable experience for me and I 100% regret it's purchase. glad i sold it for 270 usd after the quest 2 was already announced

[vocal shard]

There's always a difference between realistically using your vr for playing, and trying to purposely break the tracking

[mellow palm]

Honestly, I would buy the shit out of the quest two if it wasnt for facebook

[grand zenith]

inb4 the person buys the index
2 weeks later
Valve index 2.

[covert herald]

I've owned;
Oculus Go
Oculus Rift S

So you could probably say I'm somewhat of an expert

[mellow palm]

I know its a better entry vr headset than the htc vive

but I wont buy it

Its like choosing a blackout drunk person as your driver

you gonna get fucked at some point

[languid beacon]

If the Quest 2 had no facebook, I can see myself buying it, putting it on, being spoiled by the Index's huge FOV and finding Quest 2 too hard to enjoy due to small circle

[grand zenith]

End verdict

Buy the index and wait 8 weeks

[vocal shard]

Yeah I would be all over the quest 2 if it didn't have Facebook

[covert herald]

Buy teh Oculus Go and be happy

[grand zenith]

bruh

[mellow palm]

you can buy headsets half the cost for 4x the resolutions
@languid beacon
could you name the headsets with these peculiar properties?

[vocal shard]

Also... I've been waiting 2 months for index, and it still has over 8 weeks

[grand zenith]

Max is 13 weeks

[languid beacon]

Samsung Decagear

[mellow palm]

Samsung decagear?

[clear warren]

Alienware would probably do insane with VR

[mellow palm]

Never heard of that one ever

[vocal shard]

Eh? Decagear isn't samsung

It's a startup

[grand zenith]

Yes I want to see another 2000+ VR headset with 0 consumer usage @clear warren

[vocal shard]

Which I will not trust or recommend yet

[mellow palm]

Oh the decagear, dude that shits cheesy as hell

[languid beacon]

decagear is claiming eye, face, finger, and hip tracking

[mellow palm]

I wont believe it actually exists until its produced and sold by the thousands

[vocal shard]

For $500

I don't believe iy

[languid beacon]

obviously wait for user reviews.

[vocal shard]

Sounds like another pimax

jamie when decagear releases will you make a video on it

[mellow palm]

a video?

[vocal shard]

If it's not a scam, maybe

[mellow palm]

is jamie a youtuber?

[languid beacon]

But as much as i love index, it's 1K, and if there's the possibility of a much better headset around the corner for half the price, yeah, I'd wait, what have you got to lose for waiting?

[vocal shard]

yes a very good youtuber subscribe

I gotta make one bashing the cosmos elite tho... Just bought one of those giving it the benefit of the doubt... But it was worse than I imagined

[grand zenith]

how could you buy the cosmos

[languid beacon]

I too wish I had the money to spend on sketchy headsets

[vocal shard]

True it had steamvr tracking, but the lenses were so bad with smaller fov than my Lenovo wmr and really blurry edges

[mellow palm]

Honestly the decagear is like schrödingers cat

Its both fake and true until its finally revealed

[grand zenith]

Sounds too good to be true.

and with those kind of features It's gonna end up worse than the index shipping wise.

[vocal shard]

@grand zenith not the cosmos. The elite... I would never have touched the normal cosmos

[languid beacon]

Right now, if you can afford it, Index is amazing. The first time I put it on and saw the huge FOV, i teared up a little. Though, being realistically, I'm a wuss.

[grand zenith]

@vocal shard Yeah I meant the elite too, old friend of mine had soo many dumb issues with it it's just insane.

[vocal shard]

Yeah. I went into it knowing it had mixed reviews, but wanted to see if I could circumvent them

[languid beacon]

index at max fov (IPD set to far, and lenses pulled as close as possible) is astounding

[vocal shard]

But even if you remove the face padding and get the fov back to the normal vive fov, the you can then see the edges of the cosmos screen

[mellow palm]

The only vr ive ever used was the original occulus from a friend

The lines were a bit blurry

[languid beacon]

Oculus's headsets are known for their kinda small FOVs

[mellow palm]

I dont know if it was my eyes or the headset at fault

like outlines of things were blurry

[languid beacon]

Oculus CV1 and original vive had pretty bad screendoor. that's probably what you're refering to

[mellow palm]

screendoor?

[vocal shard]

Oculus tends to offset the overlap. Which can condense the pixels a bit more, but it does change how the entire view looks

[languid beacon]

the black grid around pixels

[mellow palm]

hmm

Always thought i was just off focus or smth

[clear warren]

Good one 🤣 @shrewd sinew

[mellow palm]

well if it was my eyes I should probably just get contacts

[clear warren]

But I think that they would make a very good VR

[grand zenith]

xD

[vocal shard]

Still my favorite headset I've used visually was the samsung odyssey+

[clear warren]

I have a gaming laptop and it is amazing

[languid beacon]

older headsets like oculus cv1 and original vive had bad screendoor, this means the black around pixels is visible. newer headsets don't have this problem. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0OPCZ4tBvAw/maxresdefault.jpg

[clear warren]

Alienware Branded of course

[vocal shard]

The fov in real testing rivals the index. And the anti sde filter and oled really is nice.

But you need some different controllers

[grand zenith]

@clear warren 200+ euro's for just an name tho

[mellow palm]

damn thats an expensive ass headset

[vocal shard]

do people still use wmr headsets

[mellow palm]

700 dollars

[odd blaze]

sure , its my backup vr

[mellow palm]

bruh thats like the vive

[vocal shard]

I use wmr still (while waiting for index)

I know a lot who still do

And the new HP reverb is wmr

[languid beacon]

do people still use wmr headsets
@vocal shard my friend claims the HP Reverb G2 has no pixels. you just see an image, similar to a retinal display phone.

[mellow palm]

sorry im not good with abrevations what is wmr?

[vocal shard]

But I'll likely make a video soon, showcasing the drift that happens when you use lighthouse tracked controllers with a wmr headset. Because while it works fine when standing, if you roomscale a lot, they go out of sync a bit

[languid beacon]

Windows Mixed Reality prepare for the echo

[mellow palm]

hmm ive considered buying the reverb 2 but since Im still a beginner Ive concluded that I should get a used vive and upgrade from there

[languid beacon]

WMR is a huge family of headsets that all use Microsoft's style tracking.

[mellow palm]

Well that and a friend advised me to do that

[languid beacon]

i personally think starting with the original vive is a big mistake

it's sort of the worst VR has to offer right now

[clear warren]

I know all of y'all are going to be mad at me for saying but I really prefer the quest 2 it's not the graphics that I'm really worried about cuz you know like I said I only like playing VR chat and beat saber it's more of that I like my freedom especially when I have all of the modifications to make it last as long and as well as possible

[mellow palm]

well you arent my friend so your oppinion is from beginning on quarter as much worth

[languid beacon]

okie dokie

[mellow palm]

Uwu

[languid beacon]

can't help everyone

[grand zenith]

Well for that kind of playstyle a quest 2 is better @clear warren

[mellow palm]

the freedom of the quest is unrivaled

[grand zenith]

1k for Beatsaber and just Vrchat isn't worth it

[languid beacon]

1k for Beatsaber and just Vrchat isn't worth it
@grand zenith laughs in index fullbody and those are the only two games i play

[grand zenith]

@languid beacon Laughs with you

[ruby tiger]

the freedom of the quest is unrivaled
vive with wireless adapter?

[vocal shard]

im prob gonna sell my rift s for quest 2 at around christmas time

[grand zenith]

@ruby tiger That is actually wasting money

[vocal shard]

hop on that no wire shit

[clear warren]

@grand zenith I definitely wouldn't mind a better pc vr than my vive

[languid beacon]

vive with wireless adapter?
@ruby tiger quest 2 has far higher resolution

and analog sticks.

[mellow palm]

vive with wireless adapter?
@ruby tiger

excuse me what

[ruby tiger]

sure, but he wrote about the freedom

[clear warren]

But tell me what the pros besides graphics are with a better pc vr

[languid beacon]

Do not underestimate the value of analog sticks

pretty much needed to play any normal games

(i'm talking like n64 emulators with VR support)

tho i guess you could use a gamepad

[vocal shard]

when is the oasis coming out

[languid beacon]

from ready player one? Personally I'd prefer The Metaverse, from Snowcrash. it was much more chill.

[vocal shard]

yes

[languid beacon]

but no one read Snowcrash because it didn't get a movie

[grand zenith]

We PCVR People do not understand the meaning of:

• Batteries
• Weak ass PC's
• Incompatible or low demand on VR Games
• not being able to move my damn legs
• Unable to even see anything in VRchat without a special cable or wifi 👀
• 60 Hz tf is that
• Yo i can't place my hand behind my head wtf?
• Gestures

@clear warren

xd

[covert herald]

I would prefer the FullDive Nervegear

[grand zenith]

Goes for everyone

[languid beacon]

Gotta hold it there cheif. i love my index but man i wish i had controllers with AA batteries instead of this charging thing. i hate stopping playing while my controllers charge, i miss just ejecting the battery and popping in a new one instantly

[clear warren]

@grand zenith EXACTLY 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I have noticed that my hands won't go behind my head

XD

[grand zenith]

@languid beacon Well true but i made charging docs and i have 3 pair of controllers so personally I don't have issues

[ruby tiger]

Don't the index controllers last for at least 7 hours gameplay?

[clear warren]

But yeah a valve index would definitely be on my wish list

[grand zenith]

If i somehow run out of 16 hours of playtime I charge for 1 hour and i'm good again.

8 hours @ruby tiger

[languid beacon]

Don't the index controllers last for at least 7 hours gameplay?
@ruby tiger not long enough. oculus controllers lasted like 50 hours

[grand zenith]

4 hours for Vive trackers

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, Index controllers have quite the battery life.
VRChatters are absolutely an edge case in terms of single session VR users.

[potent fern]

ealy summer I spent over 2k for vr set and computer just to play Beatsaber. Forward today I still havent bought Beatsaber and spent 95% of my time in VRchat lol

[clear warren]

@grand zenith I forgot if you answered this but should I get vive trackers for my Oculus quest 2

[ruby tiger]

You should really consider taking a break after 6 hours (and charge controllers)

[languid beacon]

If Quest 3 has index fov i'm signing up for Facebook

[rough pulsar]

For most normal people, at 6 hours regular physical needs start to kick in

[grand zenith]

@clear warren Quest 2 is like 350 euro's or sth
You'd have to invest into basestations Which are insanely hard to get right now but those are like 200 per piece
and vive trackers which would cost you 350 + Straps

[ruby tiger]

"hard to get" [only in USA?]

[grand zenith]

Personally I wouldn't advice it since it's so hacky and combining those 2 tracking isn't always fun but if you really don't care go for it

They're sold out globally unless you buy a full kit of the Valve index or find a reseller that overprices the fuck out of 1.0 and 2.0 base stations @ruby tiger

[odd blaze]

store behind me have 50+ trackers and 2.0 lighthouses 😆

[ruby tiger]

They're not sold out globally?

[languid beacon]

i do'nt recommend the hybrid vive trackers + oculus cameras thing. i had it and used it for months - it's so flakey and desyhc and really takes away from the experience i stopped using my fulbody entirely until i got an index. and even now i'm stuck with poopy vive base stations instead of index ones

[odd blaze]

Ordered 150 something and they sell slow here

[clear warren]

Well meliodas I will tell you that I am definitely someday going to have a valve index with a full body tracker

[odd blaze]

another 50 comming in 2 weeks

[clear warren]

But at the moment I got to finish my PC

And I'm probably not even going to get full body tracking for my quest 2

[grand zenith]

@clear warren Yeah always invest into your PC and future proof yourself

[languid beacon]

if you do go for index, get the full kit, vive base stations are kind of crap. and you can't ever ugprade to a third one

[grand zenith]

VR won't go away and will improve over time so by the time you upgraded your PC you might even have the chance of something better than the index coming out.

It's been ahead for 2 years it's bound to happen sooner or later.

[languid beacon]

I have big regret being stuck with vive base stations, now i want a third and i need to buy three index base stations and sell my two vive ones

[grand zenith]

Meanwhile my entire Vive package is just sitting here

[potent fern]

Is there anything better than index based on price value at the moment?

[clear warren]

Nice

[languid beacon]

Is there anything better than index based on price value at the moment?
@potent fern price vs value is largely subjective. I think HP Reverb G2 and Quest 2 are both contenders for "price vs value"

[grand zenith]

I personally would say no.

[rough pulsar]

In terms of quality-price, no. Index is about as good as it gets, with maybe the Reverb G2 coming in close.

[grand zenith]

G2 is the closest but nah.

[rough pulsar]

Quest 2 has several major issues, both hardware and otherwise.

[swift cloud]

Quest 2 is only more useful when you want wireless fullbody, no? Or wireless in general

[potent fern]

At the moment I already have a Vice cosmos Elite, feels weird to go to Quest 2.

[rough pulsar]

Only if you're willing to deal with a mixed-mode tracking setup.

[clear warren]

I've had no problems yet

[potent fern]

I already have all my pucks for FB

[swift cloud]

The tracking works well, but the ease of using a vive or other is nice too, for fullbody

[languid beacon]

I will say the visuals of Quest 2 and Index are basically the same, Quest 2 just crops out the edges of the view

I do miss OLED

[swift cloud]

Ohhh I feel that

Darks just mix in together ):

[languid beacon]

it's all fine until horror maps

[rough pulsar]

I don't, with an index at 160% brightness there's barely any difference

[languid beacon]

I can't stand anything higher than 130% i feel like my eyes are gonna burn

[vocal shard]

when the gucci collab happening?

[swift cloud]

I have sensitive eyes, it’s so unfortunate 😭😭😭

[languid beacon]

yeah if Quest 3 comes out with an OLED screen and Index FOV, i'd sign up for facebook and let Zuck watch me browse the internet in my boxers or whatever his kink is IDK

[mellow palm]

Yeah and get banned as soon as you scatch your balls

bricking your devices

smh

[swift cloud]

I just want that sexy 10,000 PPI that’s in development

It’s supposed to be similar to OLED too

Just use your real name and have ID ready and you won’t get banned

[merry surge]

Luminescence degradation.

[rough pulsar]

Haha fuck that shit, the cunts at FB have no right to that info just to not get banned

[merry surge]

Always a pitfall with oled

It's beautiful to look at though, no arguments here.

[mellow palm]

Just use your real name and have ID ready and you won’t get banned
@swift cloud
Arent their guidelines pretty strict to ingame beahvior too

[covert herald]

@rough pulsar I mean, they do have the right to ask for it... They're providing the service

[rough pulsar]

It's excessive and inappropriate for the context.
A bank, yes. A social media site, not even close.

[potent fern]

Conduct yourself in an offensive or abusive way, including:
Touching someone in a sexual way or making sexual gestures.

thats on their rule page

[tulip bridge]

Any1 wana play with me?

[covert herald]

I'm not denying it's inappropriate, but that wasn't the argument... They still absolutely have a right to ask

[languid beacon]

I don’t see Facebook keeping up with advancing headset specs. eventually the quest 2, won’t have that great of visuals compared to alternatives. And as soon as that happens the Facebook part of the deal just becomes entirely unacceptable.

People are only really considering quest 2, despite Facebook, just because it’s got nice specs

That won’t last

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, it's clear FB are sending Oculus HMDs on a race to the bottom to try and get as many out there

[covert herald]

If Valve produces a cheaper alternative then I believe that Oculus will be out of the question full stop

[rough pulsar]

Just look at the awful build quality of the Q2 and accessories

The fun thing with Valve is we usually have no clue what they're working on unless they say so.

[covert herald]

And they never say so

[rough pulsar]

They do, in their own way. Remember the leaked photos of the Index HMDs?

[covert herald]

Honestly, I don't remember the leaked photos

[languid beacon]

I honestly think a Index successor is around the corner. Maybe not made by valve specifically but another HTC type arrangement. Just not with HTC

[regal furnace]

valve is currently working on a wireless adapter for the index, i dont think there is a successor to the index anytime soon

[languid beacon]

I don’t see valve replacing the index with an index 2 because people would get angry. but if some other company comes along and does almost the same as a proxy, valve avoids a lot of angry backfire

[grand zenith]

they haven't confirmed that @regal furnace

[rough pulsar]

https://mk0uploadvrcom4bcwhj.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ValveLeakHeadsets.jpg
These, in hindsight they were pretty far along in development & production even then.

[grand zenith]

There were rumors of them looking into it.

[covert herald]

Ahhh, I do remember now

[regal furnace]

they do patent quite a lot of stuff though related to wireless VR

[potent fern]

hp reverb g2, wasnt that a partneship with valve?

[rough pulsar]

Newell mentioned untethered VR was something they were very interested in, there's been mentions from people at Valve that wireless VR is a solved problem (as in the tech to do it is all there, they just need to tie it all together), and there's the wireless transmission patents that popped up.

[vocal shard]

Tyler from VNN was saying they are making an index 2 with cheaper outsourced parts... But take that with a grain of salt

[rough pulsar]

A grain of salt? HA Take anything from VNN with an entire bucket of salt

[grand zenith]

The current index already has the capabilities of adding an extra feature like that

[rough pulsar]

The most likely situation with an Index wireless system is they're waiting on the 802.11ay spec to be finalized, which unless things have changed is due to be this december.
That's one of the most critical things as it has enough bandwidth to handle the full extent of DisplayPort 1.4 uncompressed

[grand zenith]

I did hear about that being a bottleneck

[rough pulsar]

Current wireless, yes. 802.11ay, nope. Index at 144hz needs about 20Gbps and ay can scale up to somewhere around 170Gbps

[grand zenith]

Yup I remember reading about that

[copper niche]

vrc still constantly crashes for me

[clear warren]

@grand zenith are you aware of the term called phantom touch?

[grand zenith]

Yeah

[covert herald]

@copper niche Have you tried #vrchat-support?

[copper niche]

i did

[covert herald]

And have you had a reply?