Wait so..are finger gestures and facial animations different now?
#vrchat-general-2
whole hound
regal furnace
action menu is useless. its easier to just use gesture toggle. I dont want to spend several seconds to just go through 10 layers of menu just to do one gesture
sweet drum
My big mane problem is the jumping
regal furnace
you guys should get rid of it. Who had the idea of making the already confusing UI even more confusing?
hollow coyote
this update actually made me RMA my index controllers because my left joystick is so scuffed i can hardly move forward and back anymore and the ball menu only comes up on my left hand so just navigating the menu with a scuffed joystick made me wanna smash my head through a wall.
vocal shard
I just don't understand why they even changed it. It was fine as it was.
sweet drum
I play on oculus rift the button is now a and I won't it back to the right stick
steep laurel
million dollars of dononations to vrc be like
prisma carbon
lol
sweet drum
I can almost deal with everything else but the jumping
vocal shard
same
echo sigil
Can we even turn and jump now with rift?
proper tendon
Did the new update get rid of the female default animation set?
sweet drum
Oculus rift is A button
regal furnace
it would have been better to do actively something about all the client users, but instead changing tons of things on avatars has priority
broken plover
They said their working on a way to give oculus players a way to change the key binds. But for not you have to use the steamvr custom control thingy to change the binds
echo sigil
There are clients that legit crash you in any world when you block someone. It's terrible. This is what we get instead
weary bison
the jump binding change is awkward if you've been using VRChat for a long time, it's easy to work around on Steam but the Oculus platforms don't have an easily accessible way to remap
proper tendon
It really doesn't seem like this update was ready to go live.
sweet drum
I don't like jumping pushing a I want back to the stick
echo sigil
Then why did you change it Noe?
weary bison
pain points are always being looked at
steep laurel
#goodolvrc
regal furnace
the whole update is a pain point
wary hollow
Looks like no one likes the update am surprised
steep laurel
fb calibration is shit.
vocal shard
Petition for vrchat team to revert jump button?
grave jungle
FBT viewpoint when laying down is on point tho, props for that
sweet drum
Some people keep getting kick for no reason
echo sigil
Revert the entire damn control scheme
steep laurel
petition to stop touching vrchat ffs
proper tendon
Petition to run back this update until it's actually ready?
echo sigil
^^^
steep laurel
^"^^^
weary bison
you're always welcome to come help test
west yoke
You had a lot of time to test it during Open Beta and provide feedback then
echo sigil
Where do I sign up? I'll gladly come help test
hollow nova
yes
regal furnace
i did test and i did say my opinion, but no one cared
steep laurel
#RunTheUpdateBack
echo sigil
That's the other thing. If I come help test will my feedback be listened to?
regal furnace
so why even spending my free time testing something i think has potential when you devs dont even listen to my critics?
errant ridge
Anyone on rn and wanna meet up to play?
grave jungle
by forcing the update you have made us playtest for you anyway..
hollow nova
what do u think about the critidizm noe
vocal shard
about to hop on vrchat, how's this new avatar update?
prisma carbon
lol
vivid orbit
oh you poor innocent soul
regal furnace
horrible
echo sigil
xD
vocal shard
@vocal shard love your little jabs at the people who are genuinely upset about this update. Really helping out
@echo sigil thx
jovial pulsar
I mean, I was just in a lobby with 6 of them, so they definitely play, lol
west yoke
yeah they do play VRChat.
prisma carbon
lol
jovial pulsar
So what is ppl's problem atm? FBT? Cuz FBT is now better than it was before by a longshot
echo sigil
controls^
regal furnace
calibration, action menu and keybinds
jovial pulsar
Calibration is fine though? I can't speak on the other two
vocal shard
Vrchat team gets harassed until they revert the update
i dont have keys 😳
Action menu, kwybinds, my neck snapping if I'm not standing up, yet another annoying system to work with when creating anything just like udon made worlds such a pain to make
echo sigil
Or much like udon, they refuse to revert it and creators end up leaving
proper tendon
I can't fix the default animation set being wrong on the VRChat side.
jovial pulsar
Yeah, what Bote said, just go fix your damned avatars lol, and if you bought them from creators then just wait until those same creators make new ones that are 3.0 compatible
regal furnace
getting rid of the action menu and changing controls is not something i can do easily
hollow coyote
i do notice with the new FBT thing if u have an avatar with the neck fix that lets u lay down and not be looking inside your body the neck now has an odd twitch every now n then. not to mention the t-pose problem and the fact u can no longer see your tracker pucks when calibrating.
vocal shard
This'll just encourage more client users for non malicious things too which will lead to more malicious ones
broken plover
3.0 is optional though. You can still use the old 2.0 system for both worlds and avatars
prisma carbon
there are many avatars that don follow human proportions, is this now a reuirement for fullbody to work\
vocal shard
google how do i fix avatar 
grave jungle
tfw cant be a dog
echo sigil
The calibration isn't a big deal as long as we can always use legacy mode. The other things however are just terrible
golden violet
Big agree, never take the option of legacy calibration away pls, it’s a great thing. Maybe you could make it more accessible to use from in-game options too.
manic rune
ok seriously, im on occulus rift s and im super anoyed by the hands not being placed as they were, the jumping button not being anymore on the joystick, and the mic mute on the dual buttons on left hand, they should had not touched these controls
whole hound
Do you do facial gestures only via some weird menu now? Or can you still do the hand gestures to do them?
steep laurel
vrc mic mute be like boop
sick plaza
The mic mute on buttons thing is a utter bs, why it is even a thing
magic sky
Bruh tf when I press grip button on my oculus quest in vrchat the hand dosent close I have no control over my hands. This new update is interesting
vocal shard
wait they moved the jumping keybind? 
jovial pulsar
I've had jump on my A button on my index
whole hound
I use those buttons for play space. :(
echo sigil
^^^ the mute button was a giant middle finger to everyone with advanced settings
vocal shard
the new jump button interferes with playspace mover. and certain avatars got a bit messed up
manic rune
yeah occulus and rift controler skemes are different, they should allow us from there to place them as we want and to turn those optiosn on/off, its uterly me pissing me off
broken plover
Yeah it’s kinda annoying that they mapped it to the same button commonly used for playspace mover
sick plaza
And all of these changes just before weekend, as usual
magic sky
I don’t like the update at all
regal furnace
no one likes it so far
echo sigil
Straight up all they need to do is put jump back on the left joystick, make the new menu a right handed thing, and take away the useless mute button
manic rune
yeah its crap
alpine hearth
FBT scuffed for anyone else? Both the new and old calibrations are completely off and inaccurate
magic sky
I don’t even think it’s a update it’s litterally just switching around controls and buttons and breaking avatars
steep laurel
^
broken plover
Or just make an ingame button Layout thingy so you can change it exactly how you want it or something
whole hound
Most of the time when updates roll out and people complain..it's because they're used to something being a certain way and don't like change. This time however.. there are some genuine concerns.
magic sky
^
prisma carbon
Very Genuine concerns
vocal shard
They'd never add a way to map your buttons they don't even have real graphics options dude
there were no problems with the old set up. The new set-up I see as around 80-90% of currents players having very bad problems with it and it's messing up their current avatars and worlds. It really needs an option to turn off the new menu. 90-95% of players dont want it or like it.
manic rune
@whole hound tbh i like the new radial menu but the new keybinds is a big nono, they should jsut had made teh radia on both menu buttons and tahts it
sick plaza
Yeah. Just make only one joystick for the emotes, other for jumping. Remove of mute toghle should be obvious choice too..
thin ether
Am not really a fan of this update, i wish they could do a update and not break everything that is working just fine. Its seems like with each new update vrchat gets broken a little more each time.
For me vrchat worked the best before the unity 2017 switch, sure it had alot of downsides to it but it ran good not a bunch of lag here and there but i enjoyed it.
But now vrchat is getting to be more trash with each new update, sure the devs meen well for us players but are they even trying to listen to the player base and fix what is already broken instead of trying to fix to what doesn't need to be fix.
As the saying goes if it is not broke don't fix it but it seems for the devs its like if it is not broke we are going to break it.
heady crystal
If youre concern is a matter of "not what im used to", then its not a genuine concern
magic sky
Could they remove the update maybe????
alpine hearth
There's a difference between being used to the old FBT settings vs barely being able to use FBT accurately lol
proper tendon
This feels like the kind of bad dev decision that happens because investors are breathing down the dev's necks.
prisma carbon
lol
manic rune
@thin ether +1 on your comment, since april 1rst update, thats where the game went shitwreck
regal furnace
2018 has by far the best performance since 5.6 at least. However avatar loading speed has gotten slower on 2018
vocal shard
VRchat aint the problem with the 2018 unity. 2018 unity already had some issues I was told
magic sky
I’m concerned that I can’t control my fu*king avatar
vocal shard
ill control it for you
sick plaza
The vrc performance dropped for me a ton. I observed a gpu memory leak that slowly kills the session until i restart the game. Didnt have it before
prisma carbon
the probelm is not unity, Is that you will find yourself adjusting your avatar settings often instead of just focus on the game.
magic sky
ill control it for you
@vocal shard 😳😳
prime heath
ooooooooooo
uneven escarp
I don't recall hands desyncing from the controllers before this update, but I could be crazy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384108535887298582/741203110592249906/2020-08-07_00-48-00_1_1.mp4
prisma carbon
lmao
magic sky
My mom thinks people are gonna kidnap me on vrchat
golden violet
I was just watching some old videos of mine from 2018 and avatar loading, no matter how large file size, was near instant
graceful pewter
how the heck are they supposed to do that considering it over the internet
echo sigil
You get sucked into the headset
regal furnace
download you via google chrome
vocal shard
about to try this new update wish me luck (:
magic sky
New vrchat update be like 
echo sigil
First they were ripping avatars... Now they're ripping players!
prisma carbon
@uneven escarp You are just complaining, because you are use to the old ways. 😉 the update is great.
steep laurel
devs watching general
regal furnace
the update is trash
uneven escarp
If there is one thing that needs to be right, it's your absolute hand position
prisma carbon
na just used your feets, who needs hands anyways
magic sky
@uneven escarp You are just complaining, because you are use to the old ways. 😉 the update is great.
@prisma carbon there is so many things broken such as avatar control constant crashing which hasent happened 2 days ago and more
vocal shard
i can't even use the menu because of controller drift ):
this is so tragic
uneven escarp
Hmmm, good point. Feet are superior
magic sky
The update is do do
prisma carbon
yep in every form.
vocal shard
ill just chuck my controller across the room and call it a night
magic sky
Imma just go play beat saber then 
if vrchat ain’t gonna work
echo sigil
If I do a handstand and calibrate, will my avatar be upside down?
prisma carbon
Well i am glad out of all this i had a good time reading this chat.
magic sky
Good question @echo sigil
echo sigil
Same. I won't be playing my favorite game because of this update, but at least this was an enjoyable night here
prisma carbon
yep
magic sky
I feel like vrchat has lost a couple of players for a while cause of this update. It’s litterally a trashdate
graceful pewter
good thing I had my local vr Meetup before the chaos of a major update
vocal shard
who wants to play vr chatwith me
echo sigil
Local vr meetup? There might be like 3 people where I live with vrc lol
pseudo shale
is oculus quest good
prisma carbon
lol
regal furnace
3 people? im the only one with vr in my town
echo sigil
I'm talking in a large area. Not just city wise
magic sky
🌮tacoooooo dun dun dun dun dun dun dun hahaaaaa
vocal shard
i broke the new menu
echo sigil
The new menu broke me
vocal shard
who wants tomake memes
graceful pewter
myself I had like 16
magic sky
Imma shove my controller up my butt if they don’t fix this update
vocal shard
weirdchamp
pseudo shale
what's the update
proper tendon
And is the option to set your avatar's default animation set gone from the latest SDK?
magic sky
B> what's the update
@pseudo shale bad
steep laurel
@pseudo shale
severe dew
Stop complaining
pseudo shale
they have the right to complain and you thought by saying that would stop them lmaoo
echo sigil
No
magic sky
Stop complaining
@severe dew ight guess I’ll go play the game with it crashes and broken avatars 😁
echo sigil
I don't like a thing, I fix the thing. If I can't fix the thing, I complain about it until someone who can makes it go away
prisma carbon
We are having fun in here ok, since we can't somewhere else now.
severe dew
Look there will be a update tmmr
magic sky
I wAnnA sPeaK tO tHe mAnAGeR!!! NoW
vocal shard
Just because it's free doesn't mean it's immune to criticism
prisma carbon
no hurry, there are plenty of Vrgames outhere, take your time.
severe dew
already have
magic sky
Bruh
echo sigil
If there isn't an update tomorrow that fixes everything, I'm asking you to fix it
pseudo shale
karen
echo sigil
oki :3
prisma carbon
Big Oof
I don't know why you all here. I am having a blast myself with this new feature. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdealisticFineGourami-mobile.mp4
jovial kestrel
The chicken is indeed a masterpiece.
prisma carbon
Indeed
proper tendon
This seems like it'll let a small percentage of people do some cool stuff but at the cost of making things way more complicated for everyone. And that's without getting into the things that are outright broken in this update.
vocal shard
It's the same as udon was for world builders too bad barely any of us spoke up about it so it not only stayed but also let 3.0 avatars happen
echo sigil
Sweet! Another reason I hate udon! It let this happen.
vocal shard
They've started favoring "a few can do really amazing stuff" over being accessible to create content for when the entire game is user content. I don't get the long term plan
craggy mist
Does someone have 2 PC's?
prisma carbon
yes i got 4
echo sigil
My house is made from pcs
proper tendon
Funny thing about that is "a few can do really amasing stuff" is something that existed in the old avatar system too.
As far as I can tell nothing was even added in the new system that you couldn't do with the old one.
vocal shard
True, same was true for worlds. I think they want to start making the game seem more legitimate by having only higher level content available.
echo sigil
Exactly. Touch inventories were becoming really advanced recently. We don't need them to let a few do amazing things. We will do the things ourselves
jovial kestrel
You underestimate the scope of Avatars 3.0 if you think nothing was added that couldn't be done before.
vocal shard
Simpler stuff disappears when amateurs are blocked out "higher level" of course not being my opinion
proper tendon
I've seen some crazy stuff done with the old system.
civic badge
touch inventories are better in 3.0 now 🙂
echo sigil
It's hard to make amazing new things when I have to keep going back and fix that the devs break with my avatars
vocal shard
That's arguable, I saw someone with the entire 3.0 menu built into a 2.0 avatar using an even better system for the menu which was physics based and could do just as many changes
proper tendon
Unless the scope is greater than a working Portal system like in that game, then I don't think I'm underestimating anything.
jovial kestrel
Oh yeah, I was impressed many many times over by the amount of things people managed to do with the original 2.0 system. But it came with loads of jank and desync and etc.
vocal shard
And this doesn't?
civic badge
nah 3.0 doesn't desync
echo sigil
^ Until I can turn portals off and have more favorites and search avatars irdc what they add
jovial kestrel
3.0 is always synced.
civic badge
unless you made your animator wrong
vocal shard
I meant the jank and the etc I suppose
jovial kestrel
I wouldn't say Avatars 3.0 has much jank, however I've spent a pretty good amount of time with it so my opinion is obviously biased.
thin ether
i know it is not going to happen but i do wish they rolled back this update till they fixed the main issues that have been coming up the most with players, it will show that the devs do listen to the players that play vrchat the most and that they are willing to hold off a update till all the bugs are fixed.
There was no need to rush to this update so soon. Its like we just made this update so lets rush to put it out is not always the best way to go, it doesn't hurt to just take it slow to see if we fix what needs to be fixed and not break the things that are working just fine.
Avatar 3.0 is a good idea but for now on paper only, not ready to put in use just yet.
Am not a dev or coder that can make these things but it would be better to take your time and hold this update off for another year, we were just not ready for this update and this update was not ready to be put in use this soon and a month or so in open beta was much to short of time to see what kind of bugs it had in it.
jovial kestrel
Looking from the outside, it might look extremely unfriendly or needlessly intricate.
vocal shard
Jesus christ
prisma carbon
if my avatar calibrate alright. but the feets are under the floor what is wrog?
jovial kestrel
Sounds like a playspace related issue.
echo sigil
You need to go to settings and change your height
prisma carbon
I changed height all over the place, no fix, i dont use playspacce
echo sigil
I'm out of ideas
jovial kestrel
If you use something like Playspace Mover, or you can somehow offset your playspace slightly upwards, that will fix the issue. Otherwise you could try re-drawing your playspace in whichever medium you use.
prisma carbon
my base station are fix to the wall. there is no way my play space moved
echo sigil
how tall is your ceiling?
prisma carbon
9feet ceiling
echo sigil
nice
jovial kestrel
Playspaces can drift on their own for some reasons. It has happened to me before though I am unsure exactly why.
prisma carbon
really, well time to go complaint to vive support.
echo sigil
Have any mirrors?
jovial kestrel
Mirrors or reflective surfaces can interfere with the base stations.
prisma carbon
yes, one mirror 6feet wide 7height
echo sigil
Delete it. Mirrors will mess with your playspace
prisma carbon
its cover with a curtain since i first bought my vive.
echo sigil
As long as it isn't visible at all it will be fine
prisma carbon
yep not visible
craggy mist
Would anyone like to earn some money?
echo sigil
ye
static spear
hi
viral hill
this avatar fbt calibration is impossible i cant place my feet correctly if i cant see them because me avatars in the way
severe dew
vocal shard
new update is kinda cringe
severe dew
Ahh cuz
alpine hearth
because we paid good money for our feet and we'd like to see them work 😢
whole hound
https://vrchat.canny.io/release-202032
Post concerns here so the dev's are able to see it. Be specific.
severe dew
It will be fixed
vocal shard
Why are you all so obsessed with feet ...
@lunar knoll maybe they have a foot fetish,who knows
west yoke
Just a theory
still owl
So what's this new update like then?
severe dew
The devs are aware of the bugs mentioned by all users. Which will be fixed. An update tmmr will address this issue
jovial kestrel
@viral hill Stand in front of a mirror and do it is the best way. Or you can just ballpark it, which usually works pretty well. If all else fails, you can set a launch option to revert to the old style of calibration.
sacred epoch
viral hill
ive been doing that for over a year, problem is, i cant tell or place my feet right because i physically cant see them because the hmd moves everso slightly
theres a launch option 👀
jovial kestrel
Should be:--legacy-fbt-calibrate
viral hill
yoooooo
vocal shard
So is it mostly fbt that is fucky or are there other issues with the newest update?
broken plover
Keybinds on oculus are changed which allot of people don’t like
vocal shard
can't use playspace mover anymore 😔
broken plover
You can if you change the key binds in steamvr
heady salmon
wish there was a way to compare all the different vrheadsets out there, find a balance of cost and performance, cause I'm poor.
rapid sand
can I get a hug?
echo sigil
You need to change your key binds every time you play a different game
vocal shard
hey /).(\
winged adder
@whole hound oh hey beewitch, i watch you on youtube XD
vocal shard
? 
winged adder
@heady salmon windows mixed reality is cheapest if you have a decent pc that can handle vr already
vocal shard
how much it is? i have not even seen for sale
O.o windows mixed reality is so expensive compared to oculus
oculus rift s 399€ windows mixed reality 500€
whole hound
Hi lol
vocal shard
you are heyitsbee?
whole hound
No. There are more Bee's than that one lol.
vocal shard
i am bad with usernames so maybe i spell wrong :/
ahh i dont watch many vr youtubers or streamers because makes me feel motion sickness watching vr movements but on my normal screen
whole hound
Nah. Heyimbee is a creator. I'm a different creator lol.
vocal shard
ahh okay :) i hope you have great career as creator :)
in vrchat you can see in 3rd person?
you are joining by their invite? and yet it still puts you in different server? :o
yep
and your friend didnt leave before you could join?
nope, they have invited me to there same server like 5 times
O.o thats so confusing
1 thing you can do is ask them to click worlds and to see the server name and then you can search that server and join the server that has same numbers they have
i am not sure why their invite doesnt take to same server though that seems weird
trim bane
Is There A way To Roll Back An Update? I Cant Calibrate Correctly Anymore And The Calibration It Gives Me Is Really Bad And Unsynced
west yoke
Oh you broke rule 15, look at #user-support-old about the same question you asked there, little kitten.
vocal shard
Im so sorryyyy, wont do it again
hello! how is everyone doing? does anyone want to play vr chat with me?
great ty how are you?
keen trench
I'm doing ok I feel very sick but non the less ok
keen trench
Yess that is great to hear
vocal shard
sorry you are sick monty
keen trench
30 seconds cool down is a little too much
Sorry Lucas I would join you but I'm on holiday
vocal shard
its fine, im just very bored right now and looking for friends tbh
keen trench
Hey Lucas you can always dm me if you need to talk
vocal shard
yeah it was 10 yesterday. im not sure why its 30 now to cool down.
keen trench
Probs mass spam or something similar
vocal shard
i am kinda confused right now
west yoke
There was a shitstorm in here earlier due to the Avatars 3.0 update changing a bunch of stuff
vocal shard
I only can play late at night because I look after my dog during the day sorry lucas
keen trench
Well I only have my laptop so the best thing I can play is minecraft even my pc struggles
vocal shard
oh okay,i can understand that
glass wren
Hello guys
vocal shard
! what you are doing please? why you come to spam chat? just talk normally and we talk to you :)
by the way im sorry if my responses or grammer is not so good , im an akward english aint my first language person
keen trench
He can't spam anyways ahaha not with the cooldown timer active
vocal shard
english my 3rd language so dont worry i know struggle XD @vocal shard
keen trench
vocal shard
! please just stop ^_^ join in convo rather than attention seek :)
keen trench
I want attention tho 
vocal shard
hello person with the name from a difrent language!
@glass wren hey ^_^
how are you? and if you want attention best way is to just join in chats ^_^
keen trench
Can I get attention 0w0
vocal shard
i will give you a hug and a headpat if you want
keen trench
Anyway what are you guys up to ? YES PLEASE
vocal shard
I cant wait until we get vr suits like ready player one. i will run round and hug everyone :D
hugs Monty and gives this beautiful being some gentle headpats im just being bored
keen trench
I can't afford it atm spent all my money on my index and fbt
vocal shard
there is 1 but i cant afford. called teslasuit but it is $2780
keen trench
I..I'm a beautiful being???
vocal shard
yes, everyone who is nice and respects other beings is a beautiful being to me
yes ^_^
vocal shard
those people are bad beings, how dare they do that!
keen trench
I've had that a fair few times in vrc also someone tried that in my dms 2 days ago
vocal shard
those people do not get respect. dont respect nasty people
i have a question, does anyone know a place/world in vr chat where there's moslty nice people who wouldnt mind if you tried to conversate with them?
heady salmon
most places?
keen trench
It's hard to say tbh
vocal shard
thats true i guess
keen trench
I would maybe avoid the hub I tend to get harassed the most there tbh
vocal shard
okay
keen trench
I should be home in a.month ish if it all works out then I can play with you
vocal shard
okay
keen trench
I'm normally fairly silent in vrc just go there to vibe and listen to my music ahaha
vocal shard
im mostly to shy to go up to people to talk to them
so its easier for me to go around looking for people in discord first
wary hollow
A reminder for FBT users who don't like the new calibration method.
Paste this into Steam run options for vrchat
--legacy-fbt-calibrate
glass wren
I am just having an issue with my world so literally the following happens:
-
I load the world.
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As I click go, its stuck in black screen then, VRChat music starts
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Then VRChat doesn’t respond for a few seconds.
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I instead of in the menu or anything, I get stuck where I put my camera at. Sooooo idk what’s going on...
keen trench
Sorry for going afk Lucas i feel very sick
glass wren
Uh oh, are you getting a fever?
thorn widget
Anyone know how to fix the TVs not working?
keen trench
I'm not entirely sure
vocal shard
its probably because you werent host of roo. @thorn widget
room*
I went to a server and tvs were not working so i hosted a new instence and tried tvs and they all worked
keen trench
I don't think it's a fever. Maybe it's food poisoning?
vocal shard
hello im back from food!
light dust
is there a feed back channel in here
light dust
double gestures cant be locked with index becuz the joystick is a touch button as well
light dust
not bullied?
vocal shard
it's going to happen eventually
mean people are everywhere
but what do you think percentage of mean people to nice people is?
most people don't give a shit if you have a lisp
oh great then :D maybe tonight will be first time i talk /).(\
the variable is too random to have a proper percentage number
light dust
any one who bullies u over that is going to be some super toxic furry hater
vocal shard
you'll most likely find at least one ass that will annoy you for it, it's bound to happen
you can just block those people anyway so not a bug lose for your own experience
so if i block. it will make them muted for me?
you can mute = you will still see them but you wont be able to hear them
or block them = you wont hear them or see them anymore
:O
ty ty ty Now I will talk because I just block /).(\ if only vrchat was real life that would be greatest thing
light dust
some peaple may ask u to repeat urself but there not being bullies for asking that or not want to talk to u becuz that they cant unddrstand u
glass spade
i want cuddles
vocal shard
yes ^^ i dont mind to repeat myself I just will like some friends ^^
light dust
sleep worlds r a good place to find cuddles
glass spade
give affection\
vocal shard
no
sleep world? :o
it's usually a fairly dark worlds with comfy beds and chill music
people sleep there (IRL)
keen trench
Heyy Lucas
vocal shard
I offered cuddles, hugs, and pats but I guess they are looking for an egirl
light dust
thanks for saving me the time to have to type that out on index
vocal shard
but how can you safely sleep with vr headset on?
i have a question, whats the best way to go about trying to converstae with people in vrchat? go up to them and ask if you can sit and listen or something else?
keen trench
I've slept a couple of times in vr it's safe
vocal shard
@vocal shard say. "what it do flight crew. FTC"
keen trench
Lucas just approach people and speak to them
vocal shard
i am confused, what does that mean?
or wave at them until they talk to you
flight crew was a youtube diss track reaction channel reference i wanted to see if anyone here knew the ending to it
light dust
if u feel unsafe just find some one u like add them then switch to the same world when inviteonly
vocal shard
thanks for the advice! im going to try to talk to people right now
try waving though waving is cute
glass spade
@vocal shard give cuddle
vocal shard
Cuddles
glass spade
yes, give
vocal shard
I gave it uwu have a piece of candy too 
azure halo
@everyone is your game crashing with the sound of ringing as well?
glass spade
wdym
vocal shard
no. we dont do this no @ everyone
glass spade
@vocal shard give
keen trench
Sorry if I'm afk lucas I feel really sick
vocal shard
Pfft im joking anyways uwu
I only cuddle cat ;3
heh?
hello there professor
Aw heck no im not chatting in a 25 s cool down im going to my dms
grim tusk
Morning guys! time to study 📚 🖋
vocal shard
do you like the new 30 seconds slow mode?
grim tusk
Wait is 30secs every channel here? 🤔
grim tusk
It was 5 seconds before everywhere obviously I don't like this change 😩
cold talon
random chat is still 5
vocal shard
they always put the wait time to 15 or 30 because people love to complain and spam when an update drops
it's 30 seconds in #vrchat-general-1 and it is 25 here and in random chat it's 5
cold talon
wait 25 here?
its 30 for me :what:
grim tusk
Right that's clever move more focused convo in public and force us to random
vocal shard
yeah it is 25 here edit: Nvm it's 30 secs
they also removed reactions :(
What's happening wtf
cold talon
yeah, those aint coming back
west yoke
25 second slowmode? There is no such increment on discord though
vocal shard
I'm sure this update is totally going to make people chat here more
I corrected myself
cold talon
30 second slow mode actually
vocal shard
it's 30 currently
hover your mouse on the "slow mode" text
Tf Is the vrchat team smoking
here we go again
XD
west yoke
Well it did but it was mostly some people complaining about the same thing over and over again
vocal shard
Whwt were they complaining about
the new update
anything that's different than what they were used to
@vocal shard to the actual game?
the only change i don't like is the oculus touch binding
I understand why they changed it but after 3 years with the same controls, it's going to take me some time to get used to them again.
People will complain about everything anytime there is change. people like what they are used to. until they understand that the change is good
At least the bindings might make it better hopefully I can flip people off
why you will flip people off?
west yoke
Complaining that they didn't like the new quick menu, the update "broke" their avatar like the common cross legged issue I'm seeing when in reality the rigging for those avatars were already likely broken, people were also complaining about how the update was "forced" when in reality they had about a month or so to test the open beta.
cold talon
they be complaining about the new update
tldr: breaking some avatars, new bind layout for controllers, new and improved ui, play space mover not playing nice with the new fbt calibration, people still using hacky fixes and having their avatar necks broken
tacit plank
How much work is needed to get into avatar v3?
cold talon
not that much, around 2 years
vocal shard
is your 5g tower made by huawei?
tacit plank
Judging from the guide page, I'd need to learn most things about animations and make different masks and branch trees or whatever. Seems to take a few hours at least
cold talon
uh, ummm, i-i cannot answer that question
vocal shard
i need to know so i know whether i can trust or not :o
it's fairly easy caffeine
if you have some experience will animators then it's even easier
cold talon
at first it will seem way more complicated and and convoluted
but the moment you understand what each layer does exactly and how to mask things out it will be much easier, no more need to make 2 frame animations only, can use blend trees, can just make transition from one animation to another without issues
tacit plank
I have almost none, I do consider myself a fast learner though. But when users don't want anything special, I feel like VRC should have applied blank standards
So that one only needs to learn the parts that they use
vocal shard
Well the new oculus binds seem way better the a button is way more comfortable than pressing down on a joystick
cold talon
also you will 99% only use FX layer and Gesture layer
tacit plank
Like how you have the standard gestures if you don't do any overrides. Users don't need to make the hand gestures manually to get into VRC
cold talon
they actually have all of the default ones in the sdk, you can just copy them
they are just not that visible
vocal shard
so i just tried out some off the advice i got and it kinda worked, thanks for the advice everyone! but i have a question, is anyone in here able to play vr chat with me? if not thats alright, have a nice day beautiful beings!
jovial pulsar
I see things have finally calmed down!
vocal shard
???
yepz
for now
don't worry, you just need one monkey to make everything go apeshit
🐒
thats a monkey
jovial pulsar
vocal shard
that's a chicken
unkempt tinsel
that's the chicken
vocal shard
jovial pulsar
rocky blaze
so has anyone found out how to rebind controls for oculus yet?
cause what i have in mind is a better set up for everyone that uses oculus
vocal shard
Yes just go to binds for it on steam vr and there should be alot of ones that say og (community made)
rocky blaze
yea i aint doing that cause some one will remove the menu entirely and then i cant get to my emotes...
vocal shard
dang
rocky blaze
but my idea for the controls are remove the hold function for new menu on the Y and B buttons (for people that use playspace on oculus to reset) remove any bind for the A button to move playspace around and jump back to the right analog stick then for the X button rebind that for the new menu to pop up and use the left analog stick to navigate the new menu or tell that X button to open the menu in the right hand and navigate the menu there if possible
please devs, please consider this
vocal shard
you put a lot of thought into this huh
rose iris
hello?
viscid seal
@rocky blaze both hands are unique menu wise. You can have the menu open on both hands and mess with 2 options at the same time. You would be removing that by limiting the menu to one hand only
vocal shard
hello?
@rose iris yes? do you need help with anything?
rose iris
nothing BTW
ashen lichen
rift with what O.O lol ..that works ?
drowsy island
@vocal shard I have a friend who uses the Quest with Vive trackers he's also wireless. I know it can be done with the rift s. I tested it out with my Samsung Odyssey plus before I gave it away. It was a little confusing at first but worked very well.
sick basin
Why in hells fuck change jump button I could nearly remember how to jump before because of bad memory fuck this shit
vocal shard
XD
you'll get used to it again, don't worry about it
i can't play the game for more than 30 sec cause i get ether kickt or the thing doesn't let me play not even in my own home on VRChat. So what do i do to stop making that happend?
fossil dagger
your update is great and all but do you really expect people to redo their avatars in blender and unity
vocal shard
@ashen lichen yes I have the setup. It works 90% of the time
echo sigil
What isn't working?
fossil dagger
like come on this update for the SDK is VRChats greatest mistake
vocal shard
@echo sigil how high do you have your basestations?
hollow stirrup
I have a question about getting started and having a problem with the unity Avatar SDK. Would that go in #avatar-help ?
echo sigil
6 feet high
Only 1 base station as well. I can't wait to get a second. That is if this update hasn't made fbt a mess like I've seen. I'm about to try it myself
fossil dagger
im not asking for their help rere, im fucking complaining about how this update is bullshit @hollow stirrup
hollow stirrup
I'm asking for help
fossil dagger
then yes
hollow stirrup
👌
vocal shard
Pfft
tall ibex
I think they jist need to make the gesture wheen to be on one hand ...on the analog stoick..put the jump button back to its original button, so i can use my play space properly without jumping ...rebinding it to a new button doesnt help cause i trigger the gesture wheel and its annoying me
vocal shard
eh
near timber
Im having some problems with the new emote system and im wondering if anyone can help me
naive wadi
your update is great and all but do you really expect people to redo their avatars in blender and unity
@fossil dagger re do? why?
vocal shard
@prime heath Kalla DM's, please?
frail burrow
Vive controllers completely broken during this update.
Old play style: to gesture, lightly slide your finger to the desired position on the round track pad. To move, depress the track pad.
New play style: when you depress to move, when you stop moving and lift your finger, it now ALSO will activate the gesture as if you lightly slid your finger to that gesture position.
Want to move a foot to your left? Now you’re doing the victory gesture. Running up to someone? Get ready to finger point. Want to lock an expression using the new wheel thing? I hope you enjoy thumbs up, because sliding to lock it activates a gesture and locks it.
If anyone has any help on this, please share.
near timber
This update is a disaster
vocal shard
🤔
near timber
Svel check ur dms
vocal shard
no
fossil dagger
@naive wadi because the blind shapes for the eyes have to be redone now and everything else
tulip wyvern
Doesn't HTC put a lot of grant money into VRChat? Won't they be pissed that this update makes their controllers even worse now?
near timber
Probaly
frail burrow
God I hope so. How was none of this talked about during months of testing? Who actually was testing this?
fossil dagger
lol goodbie vrchat have fun with your broken shity ass game
vocal shard
bye
frail burrow
I have audio on some of my gestures. Super fun that literally every time I move, I hear it.
near timber
yea when i move to the left i shoot
vocal shard
I had to remap my playspace mover due to the update. Thanks VRC gods
what does playspace mover even do
move your playspace.
tulip wyvern
It lets you move your entire avatar in 3D space which can be important for putting yourself in positions that make sense, like being able to lay down in full body but still be head-level with other people and such
naive wadi
@naive wadi because the blind shapes for the eyes have to be redone now and everything else
@fossil dagger everything works for me
fossil dagger
cool did i ask
vocal shard
damn thats original
fossil dagger
its not just me having this problem
solar wagon
It's pretty much all avatars that were fixed before :^)
But doesn't have anything to do with blendshapes tho.
vocal shard
Honestly chatting about this isn't gonna help, much like with any dev nowadays. They have heard the feedback and either will push out something soon or force it onto people and eventually people will accept it because there is nothing else really competing with vrc.
solar wagon
There is nothing else competing with vrc? That's new to me
vocal shard
Much like with Bungie's Destiny series etc etc its just how things are and why we need serious change with gaming or it'll only get worse
I dont know of any other game out there that let's you make your own avatars and worlds and put them in public that has a high player count
naive wadi
I dont know of any other game out there that let's you make your own avatars and worlds and put them in public that has a high player count
@vocal shard rly?
there is a game were you can make your avatar in vr
vocal shard
Lemme hear it uwu
solar wagon
XD. You just weren't interested in other games until now I guess
vocal shard
Nah only vrc exists
naive wadi
i just told you
vocal shard
Never heard of a vr before whats that
jolly trout
naive wadi
goddangit....
vocal shard
Mwahaha I was just trolling all along dw
naive wadi
nice ´´troll´´
vocal shard
Well, everything other than the dev part, thats a real issue with them not listening or caring
^
strange sinew
how do i get the old calibration for fbt? i dont like the new one
gleaming badger
lets play guys im bored
strange sinew
only once or every launch
serene palm
Just once, it'll stay there for next time
strange sinew
alright thnx
serene palm
Yeah no problem, I had that added within 10 mins, I straight up thought the new calibration was broken
strange sinew
its terrible imo
grave dagger
Its good for Oculus users with full body because our Vive and Oculus playspaces drift from eachother in time so it allows me to just recalibrate quickly because it snaps the view back to the VRC Descriptor Viewpoint.
tulip wyvern
Honestly you could argue the new calibrate -is- broken lol
pearl tree
Use this for the old calibration FBT
strange sinew
im on oculus i just dont like it
pearl tree
steam - launch parameters: --legacy-fbt-calibrate
strange sinew
the rest in the udate i like tho
grave dagger
i'm gonna have to rebind the jump key back to the joystick because i cant turn while jumping with the new bindings
pearl tree
now wait around a week, for hotfixes
grave dagger
Also, is it just me or are the mouth visemes much smoother now?
vocal shard
im a beautiful mess
jolly trout
Ok
latent jetty
were would i ask for avatar worlds
rigid ingot
hi
cold talon
valid void
This update is so dog shit 💀
strong totem
Tru
vocal shard
naive crescent
i like this new update
rigid sun
Same
obtuse oyster
pp
naive crescent
nope
winged adder
i'm gonna have to rebind the jump key back to the joystick because i cant turn while jumping with the new bindings
@grave dagger love to see how you accomplish this. Mute is what use to be left hand playspace grab/playspace move and now I mute myself when trying to crouch
And right is jump...which I also don't like. I want it back on the thumbstick press
Instead of all this, they could have simply changed ONE quick menu button
And given us a toggle. "Avatar 3.0 menu side" (left/right)
vocal shard
I will just like make friends
winged adder
That way your quick menu is on one hand, and your avatar menu is on the other
Like. What's the point of the quick menu microphone mute button?
Now mute is a physical button on your left hand, which should be an option,not a hard set button
I'm gonna hit that so much by accident
regal furnace
im still mad they didnt listen to what others said during beta. Its not like 90% of testers hated the features
rigid sun
I quite love the features. So does 90% of the people I know
winged adder
"sorry, I accidentally muted myself" is going to be a common phrase in vrchat now
Dude it's not the feature. It's the control layout. I'm friggen fine with the round menu. They just messed up our controls to put it in.
rigid sun
^ that's a problem, I agree.
rocky swift
i already had mute bind on left hand before the update
winged adder
It should have gone on B/Y, as a CHOICE, and mute? Nonononono
regal furnace
the wheel is absolute shit, i have index and it made gesture toggle just unneccessary difficult
rigid sun
I have index. I personally agree but also like every other aspect of the wheel enough to just accept it.
midnight meadow
im having a problem where in my headset if im crouching in gmae my avatars head moves like a bobble head, anybody know why??
elder quartz
what crap they put in is there any way to reverse this?
winged adder
They need to just release a " you can now remap every input" update
regal furnace
i would love to get rid of the radial menu
winged adder
Like hard coded remapping of all keys
rigid sun
I would love to get rid of toxic people like Izuna but we all can't get what we want.
vocal shard
in the morning such chill chat. now just complaining non stop. at least the game is free unlike most other games
solid flare
Has there been any improvement since yesterdays update?
winged adder
The menu is fine. The hand gestures aren't stopped by it,it's the placement of the menu BUTTON that is the issue
vocal shard
ikr
rigid sun
Oh look it's people complaining about anything being developed just like every other game I played and everyone is acting like it's the worst possible thing just like every other community i'm in. What a surprise.....
winged adder
It kicked "jump" to an inconvenient spot instead of ON THE CONTROL STICK, and by doing so it displaces playspace move
regal furnace
im not toxic, whats your problem? i just said i want to get rid of the menu
desert gorge
e
rigid sun
Forgive me for that. I'm just dealing with this here while people in the iRacing community are complaining that 3D grass is being added for... some.. reason.
indigo fern
Lmao what
regal furnace
what?
robust burrow
Oof
winged adder
Again I'm not against the radial menu. the menu itself is fine. It's the button to access it that's my problem
Also the undesirable mute button
robust burrow
How do you access the new menu on the vive controllers? (I dont have power so I dont get to try the new stuff)
rigid sun
I'll try to find the tweet, but basically they started working on adding 3D grass to a game I'm playing and of course half of everyone is complaining that physics aren't being worked on, a track they want isn't being added, the grass that is WIP isn't "realistic enough", etc
strong totem
Pls just add control config
elder quartz
My character's bed was bugeo I wait for explanations as I have to rearm my avatars goodbye vrchat
winged adder
Yes,exactly. Give us controller rebinding for everyone
rigid sun
It's just tiring to see complains like this. It's fine if you have an issue or a problem or a complaint, but coming in starting off with "THIS IS SHIT ITS AWFUL GET RID OF IT" without.. you know, seeing the bigger picture for why it was added or the benefits of it just annoy me lately.
solid flare
Well for me I like what they implemented is just that every avatar I have, I have to redo in 3.0 because they are acting broken.
regal furnace
at least they are improving. Onwards 1.8 Update was also a mess
winged adder
Then people will be much happier.
The next issue is that they just completely changed the learning curve/process for making avatars to be much more complex
rigid sun
@solid flare That's fair. But also remember a lot of 2.0 avis did a lot of "fixes" to get around issues that were fixed now, but... you know, not backwards compatible
crimson patrol
My only issue is the menu popping up every time I use playspace, I am accidentally pressing buttons when I don't even know the menu is up quite frequently now
rigid sun
That's fair.
winged adder
Also who can say how many avatar worlds out there actually have active author's? How many avatars are broken now for fullbody users because they fixed what was "broken"?
regal furnace
also, i did complain earlier today already, I did test the beta and gave my thoughts (got ignored as usual) and im just mad at them for not listening to us
winged adder
Or author's that want to relearn the avatar making process
rigid sun
See, you're assuming they didn't listen to you. Which is a common mistake most end users make.
solid flare
As far as I see, they never do... but that's just me I think.
regal furnace
just look it up in the beta channel. Not a single response from anyone. And it was quite a bit of feedback
winged adder
Again I believe the issue here is "we re-mapped your buttons. We know you didn't ask us to, but we did it anyway. "
rigid sun
"We are constantly reading everything you say." - Most developers.
The reason why most devs do not respond is they'd lose their sanity if they did
solid flare
Yes 100%
vocal shard
that's my only complain currently pluto
regal furnace
the beta channel wasnt even that active
vocal shard
reeeeeeeeeee
winged adder
All vrchat has to do to make 45% of VR users happy is give us a remap system so we can move the buttons ourselves
rigid sun
^ that i agree
ruby needle
@regal furnace Did you just write in there?
Beta stuf has it's own canny to report and suggest things to.
The chat channel is more for organizing your self or discussing with others but not a official feeback channel
Although often you do find responses, and most definitely the channels are observed by the Dev's you dont nessesarily get individual feedback .
warped thorn
But, it is available. It's in SteamVR.
winged adder
And yes, Oculus makes up 45% of VR users. FORTY FIVE PERCENT. that's a big number.
solid flare
Wish they could have 2.0 & 3.0 then we wont have this issue.
vocal shard
45 is a thicc boi
winged adder
45% just got their jump button removed from the CONTROL STICK,a mute button forced into a spot that they WILL hit accidentally, and jump moved to a spot that makes it inconvenient to jump while rotating
vocal shard
Yes
solar lotus
i'm glad im on vive, no major control changes
vocal shard
preach
winged adder
Yeah but Vive isn't 45 freaking percent of the VR market share
vocal shard
flashback
solid flare
Same Hitoccchi, but feel sorry for Oculous users though.
regal furnace
even if its not for feedback, they can at least take a look at it
solar lotus
yeah it does suck for them
solid flare
But will they...
solar lotus
all i'm gonna say is
easier way to do it for those who arent used to
make a damn control remapping
change the defaults for new users, keep what's here for old
solid flare
Got 4 friends on the Rift S ant they all don't want to go back on VRChat, 2 have uninstalled it.
Yes
vocal shard
?
winged adder
VR market shares
Htc headsets : 28.8%
Valve headsets : 14.5%
Other?: 3.8%
**OCULUS QUEST/RIFT/CV1/RIFT S : 45.0%**```Omg 28,8% for the vive
winged adder
FOURTY FIVE PERCENT. biggest chunk of the entire market.
grizzled pasture
Would be nice if there was a legacy method for toggling gestures. Putting emotes/emojis in the new menu was actually nice but now I can't gesture without first completing 432153 maneuvers.
i mean
winged adder
Vrchat :
hey 45% of all VR users? Get fucked.
grizzled pasture
if we don't say anything how else are they going to know the quality of life changes they made aren't working?
winged adder
They've degraded my "quality of life"
grizzled pasture
index users are feeling it too
rigid sun
I swear gamers are pretentious and whiny when you call them out on it.
crimson patrol
Wait what's the issue with index controllers now?
winged adder
^
desert stratus
Capiral G G*mers
rigid sun
hah. No. I'm an iRacing dev simp who plays a lot of games where gamers are whiny like this
winged adder
I love the mentality of "the game is free to play, stop whining" like us users don't matter just because it's f2p
vocal shard
I read a general warning on a Discord server I'm on. Is there any truth to this: IMPORTANT MEESAGE (PLEASE READ) Just letting everyone know if you go to VR chat right now stay in privat /friends worlds only, the update for avatar 3.0 has bug in debug tool that can allow people to steal your account, please be carful!!!
rigid sun
I don't personally mind that people are voicing their opinions. It's this entire idea that the devs are actively out to get you and hate your opinions that I find hilarious
grizzled pasture
Gestures were once toggleable on the index with a single button press. Now we have to access a menu that causes us to not only lock us in place, but it also causes us to have to navigate a menu that removes our ability to be as expressive.
winged adder
Try being on oculus
vocal shard
Okay thanks. Yeah I dunno. Just saw someone post it.
winged adder
That gesture lock? You MAKE A GESTURE WHEN YOU LOCK IT
grizzled pasture
^ it's awful
rigid sun
isn't... that what gesture lock always did on index though?
crimson patrol
I don't see a major problem with allowing users a simple toggle for legacy vs whatever this new system is. Not sure if that's possible though with technical limitations
winged adder
I was like"oh cool I can lock in my "eyes open" gesture instead of holding the button" hahahhahaha nope. Touching the thumbstick to LOCK the gesture makes a DIFFERENT GESTURE
rigid sun
@graceful flint You're completely right. I'm simping all over the VRC devs because of basic statements like "acting like it's the end of the world is nonsense" and "People are mad that the iRacing devs are adding 3D grass to their tracks so I'm a little annoyed with gamers as a whole"
Both things I have said already in this channel, fyi
misty bloom
Yo VRChat team, put the gestures back to how they were, the new menu is cumbersome and frankly kinda stinky. The new update leaves the A button unused on index, perhaps use that as a toggle button
frosty veldt
Yeah that's how its been on index for a while, locking gesture would play a gesture. I would usually just press the lock with the opposite hand with my ring finger or the like to avoid doing a gesture
grizzled pasture
Yes you did have to place your thumb down to make the gesture lock, but it's the same with the new system too. You have to remember to close the menu every time to move. It's just restrictive as hell.
winged adder
Why would people be mad about grass? Sounds like an added beautifying feature....
molten orbit
When is the rollback?
rigid sun
He's a relatively popular streamer on the title, which is unfortunate when people get pissy about stuff like that
winged adder
I'm not gonna deny people are upset, but adding grass sounds...good?
frosty veldt
Its less adding grass and more adding grass instead of other things
rigid sun
😐 People are upset that we're getting character customizations too saying that the SJWs are ruining the game.
winged adder
Ahh
They want other stuff done before grass/ think grass isn't important right now
vocal shard
ChilloutVR when?
misty bloom
@rigid sun Its not that, its the fact that gestures are more cumbersome to use, and they added a dumb afk think for vr
rigid sun
@misty bloom I love the afk thing....
winged adder
@vocal shard 1-2 months
misty bloom
But it should be optional, i dont want my SOLDIER to meditate whenever i check my desktop on a patrol
frosty veldt
@misty bloom You can disable the afk stuff in the menu
winged adder
Actually you can get in chilloutvr right now if you patreon support $5
crimson patrol
It is optional....
ruby needle
Cool, this is about VRChat tho, so topic drop. 
rigid sun
it is. You can disable AFK detection in the menu....
misty bloom
well still, the gesture thing is still stinky
rigid sun
... just admit you were wrong and move on k? thanks.
winged adder
Paul, nobody asked you to go into minimod mode
rigid sun
Anyone else notice that @graceful flint is simping for the entire VRC community right now?
vocal shard
Yes lol
misty bloom
Can we not do drama here?
broken plover
Minimod? Hes an actual mod tho...
molten orbit
saying we are moving to chiilloutvr is still about vrchat.
winged adder
Yes, we are complaining that vrchat is making us want to leave.
rigid sun
Like "oh my god how could anyone agree with the changes made on VRC and if you think it's good you're clearly simping~" - in itself simping for the attention of everyone else who doesn't like the changes
winged adder
That should be a valid concern for vrchat, when people want to leave your game.
molten orbit
so ill ask again, when's the rollback?
frosty veldt
Honestly the update seems fine, just needs some patches/hotfixes
small wing
Dang, I just woke up and this convo is still happening just as much as it was yesterday. That's some dedication right there.
rigid sun
People have some weird obsession with stuff. Overall, I'm more excited to be on VRC now.
winged adder
People are upset and the vrchat mods don't care
misty bloom
The gesture stuff is a straight downgrade, its not fun, and it limits what you can do
small wing
Its not the mod's jobs to care about the development, they are only here to moderate chat.
rigid sun
^
vocal shard
it doesnt limit anything, quite the contrary xd
rigid sun
Agreed. I feel like i can be far more expressive with my avatar as a whole. Then again, as an index user, I didn't care for the previous emote system anyway....
misty bloom
It makes it more cumbersome to use gestures
rigid sun
Because it's outside of your workflow for it. It's really not much worse. In fact, i'd argue i'll use emotes more if i can properly see which emote i'm making in the menu...
grizzled pasture
Vrchat. Put a little box in the options that return your gesture toggle, you can still access your cool dial by holding down the menu button.
misty bloom
^
rigid sun
Anyway, I have actual problems to go deal with. Yay being a Technical Support Engineer.....
plain bluff
You know a lot of these issues would be fixed if they simply gave us options
small wing
Even so, engaging in deep conversation with a discord of over a couple thousand people is bound to be a mess if mod's speak their own opinion. Pretty sure there would be a hierarchy conflict where people just plain wouldn't see the mod's as passionate individuals as much as anyone else here. Speaking from experience.
misty bloom
Honestly yeah, too much tech has things crammed down your throat, they never give options, I want vrchat to actually let use play how we want, not just ,,The menu is like this new nerd, deal with it"
ruby needle
The problem is, you need to maintail all those different opinions in the future and make sure they remain workind and yada yada
This takes away a lot of time of time and is a ongoing process untill you eventually drop it.
misty bloom
it should!
plain bluff
My big issue with the update is the broken avatars. I use public avatars, and god only knows if the people who made them even still play.
winged adder
Exactly
reef dawn
@plain bluff i may not play until they fix the default animation set -- the update replaced female animation sets with male, causing the knee buckling. i have a couple dozen public avatars circulating and they're all knock-kneed and it really takes the wind out of my sails, lol
winged adder
Or want to learn the new system to fix them.
small wing
It just sucks that people in here won't see opinions for what they are. Just opinions and nothing more nothing less. It typically degrades to very gate keepy type conversations where nobody keeps an open mind and instead ignores everyone's input.
frosty veldt
Seeing as how they told us to stop using rig hacks for half a year I wouldnt expect public avatars that have the problem now to be fixed soon
rigid sun
^ that's how i see it.
And otherwise, others will replace them. If the old avatars don't get fixed, new avatars will come around that are already good.
frosty veldt
Also you dont need AV3 to fix the rig hacks
small wing
Seems like today is the exception though, glad to see people are openly talking.
plain bluff
I have no idea if they used rig hacks when they made the models. I don't even speak the language of some of the avatars' creators. It makes my favorite avatars unusable and I can't exactly ask the creator to fix them.
misty bloom
I want the old gesture toggle back
rigid sun
i do not.
mortal hound
I like the new update just a few fixes well a decent amount would make it good
misty bloom
Why not? it lets people do gesture faster?
vocal shard
you jsut arrived in the right time rollthered
it was a clown fiesta yesterday
rigid sun
Why do you want it back? Makes you accidentally press the button and now you have a stuck gesture and you can't actually figure out what face you're making unless you're in front of a mirror thanks to the horrible detection of the index controller at times if you slightly adjust your hands? Listen, if you can create a leading bullshit statement, i can do it just as well.
I just didn't like the old system. Simple as that.
plain bluff
Like we've established, it should be an option. Some people like it. Others, like me, don't like having their toggle button overridden by a menu that adds an extra step.
small wing
@plain bluff The biggest issue is a lot of avatar creators got their start with using Unity from VRChat, which means a lot of the rig hacks people learned was pretty much normalized.
timber crown
Dunno why people even are mad, these updates are mainly for the peeps that create stuff, and most of them are pretty happy about form what I have heard
frosty veldt
I'm assuming that you can still make a finger gun and the gesture for that fires, is that not the case anymore?
misty bloom
At least give us the fuggin OPTION to go back
grizzled pasture
Because now that same button opens up a dial that forces your avatar in place
vocal shard
ventene, most people aren't creators
and a lot of avatars in 2.0 are broken in some way or another
neat zinc
people ended up adopting alot of bad practices in making avatars to circumvent the issues vrc would have with them @small wing
small wing
@frosty veldt Yep, everything works aside from some rigging issues from what ive seen. The locomotion is a bit odd too.
rigid sun
It's seriously that xkcd comic in a nutshell.
small wing
They did move the jump button however.
frosty veldt
Yeah my only complaint is that execution order is fucked up right now. Hoping for a patch at some point
timber crown
The issue I see is that people are too lazy to even get the hang of it, it takes 5 minutes to figure it out and get used to
grizzled pasture
You can solve the whole "am i making the right gesture?" issue by placing hand gesture icons in the ui hud. "Am i making a rock and roll hand? oh the little hand in the corner says yes" Don't need a dial menu for that
plain bluff
Some of the gestures got broken for some of the avatars I use.
The majority of users don't make their own avatars. Why should something made for those who create affect those who don't?
neat zinc
its the first day this shit is out, it will die down, and people will get used to it, this happens every update
west yoke
^
rigid sun
Yup. It does. Which is why I as a dev would not listen to users because they always adjust to the workflow. Every. Time. At least, not VRC users. Frankly.
neat zinc
whos to say they already tune this out anyway
rigid sun
Mind there's plenty more that agree with me on this, just they're not vocal because they like their sanity. :/
plain bluff
So you think it's fine that this many people have a problem with it because they'll get over it?
vocal shard
you don't need to be a dev to know that you shouldnt listen and adjust stuff based on every single complain of every single user
grizzled pasture
you can't please everyone
bold creek
i don't really like the new fullbody calibrating
vocal shard
good thing you can use the old one then eh
rigid sun
I think you're exaggerating how much of an issue this is. I personally like everything about the new update to the point that i legit fell asleep for the first time in VRC in about 3 months. Like just straight up passed out.
plain bluff
If half the users have in issue with the update, that's a problem.
small wing
I wouldn't say they tune it out completely. I mean, they sorta cant?
bold creek
yea
west yoke
Most of the people that are having an issue had a problem with their avatar's rig to begin with.
rigid sun
@plain bluff You're assuming you know 100% it's half of the users having an issue.
vocal shard
the only complain i have currently is the fact that they changed the jump button on oculus touch
neat zinc
So you think it's fine that this many people have a problem with it because they'll get over it?
@plain bluff i think that the majorty are complaining purely off emotion, and that tends to die down so more rational arguments end up being made and thats when changes happen
vocal furnace
Why would the devs of a free game have to listen for shit? They don't owe us anything. They can basically do whatever they want because they are not in our depth. You'll get over it or leave lmao
west yoke
That's also true
grizzled pasture
^ that's the point if no one is playing then what
vocal shard
they have to listen to a certain extend
your game is useless if no one plays it
small wing
Like all free apps, the app is not the product. The user is.
winged adder
Hey look, a user exactly like I mentioned
rigid sun
Anyway, good luck being bad at making arguments ya'll.
inland bough
lmfao
plain bluff
Sorry for wanting my only escape from reality to be enjoyable
grizzled pasture
^
vocal shard
enjoy lithiumfox, come again please
timber crown
Okay, I shoudlve been more clear, ofc it affects both parties and I know not everyone is into making avatars and worlds, but the majority of people voting for changes are those who create and the people who just play don't even bother with that
rigid sun
Sorry that your only way for your escape from reality to be enjoyable is through a minor menu system change that upsets you to a great degree more than i've seen entire multi-million dollar conglomerates entire login-system go down.
west yoke
People tend to forget that the ones having an issue are more vocal and loud than those who aren't having any issues or are hardly having issues.
vocal shard
if your escape from reality is vrchat, you should try to fix up your existence and not play a meme game xd
timber crown
Not all of them but the vast majority ignores pulls and feedback
small wing
@rigid sun If you want people to believe you, insulting them isn't going to help. Just a tip.
inland bough
yep
grizzled pasture
Covid kinda puts a hamper in that, Svel
winged adder
I love the mentality of "the game is free to play, stop whining" like us users don't matter just because it's f2p
@winged adder @vocal furnace
small wing
I agree with what you are saying @rigid sun , but please keep the insults on the down low if you are trying to convince people. Its counter intuitive.
plain bluff
@rigid sun My issue isn't the menu. It's the broken avatars.
@vocal shard Excuse me for having a terrible existence. My family situation isn't something I have the power to fix.
rigid sun
@small wing I really don't care if people believe me. I'm tired of it at this point. Now it's just me venting with half of a heart in the hopes that maybe at some point I feel some sort of joy in life again. Honestly, I'd rather just end it at this point but I don't really say anything to my actual friends and just hope I'll snap back to my good mental state again at some point.
People legit through a fit that 3D grass was being added to a game. wtaf.
small wing
You seem to care a lot actually, since you are still here.
vocal shard
I forgive you this time fuzz, try better next time
rigid sun
Eh, it's more that I'm just ignoring the fact that I need to respond to a case regarding an AD system and an HTML PCV not working properly.
plain bluff
try better? At what?
neat zinc
this already derailed
small wing
@rigid sun Go fix dem packets boi, stop torturing yourself here lol
rigid sun
So we have Saint Pat. And fiiiiine
carmine nebula
Unless someone beat me to it. What's this I'm hearing about people taking over accounts from the 3.0s something something
timber crown
Ye gonna sit here and let it roll
vocal furnace
@winged adder well it is what it is. I am actually on the creator side of vrc and I take my stuff seriously. I don't appreciate the devs breaking it with every update. The 3.0 update however is so far the best one provided for the creator side. I'm thankful for it. However it is a f2p game and whenever they break stuff I have to see it coming and get over it myself. And I do. Because I didn't pay for it
vocal shard
crimson patrol
Game is also still in early access
vocal shard
yo is that a decent point of view ? wtf, get out of here with that
we just complain to complain around these parts
vocal furnace
lmao
small wing
Early access means the game is going to break, a lot.
vocal shard
We complain then later log on to headpat everything that moves
frosty veldt
Should expect things to break every update, things not breaking is the nice surprise
neat zinc
glad that things moved away from adding things just to make the game better to stream and instead creators are getting better tools, since its the creators that make the game interesting int he first place
small wing
You can take content creation seriously sure, but you came into this knowing what to expect.
vocal shard
It's free real estate
https://i.imgur.com/RjOehPO.png every argument ever for anything in vrchat
whole hound
I also heard people are getting hacked lol
vocal shard
whole hound
Imma stay off vrc for a few days to be safe. Give them time to iron out the kinks.
crimson patrol
The children here don't understand the concepts of iteration and version control and how you can't just switch gears on the fly because someone posted a one-liner in vrchat-general
vocal shard
I jus like giving and receiving headpats
small wing
Also not to disregard any content creator that makes stuff for VRC. Since yall literally torture yourselves just to make cool stuff. Its a lot of work, but please remember that its an alpha build.
vocal shard
🤫
neat zinc
shit can, and probably will break further down the line
small wing
And always has lol
frosty veldt
Shit is still broken lmao, I'm still waiting for that NetIK FIK fix
indigo fern
why they break my upsidedown hip, extra leg bones, and non existent neck 😢
small wing
xD
vocal shard
Why can't we change the key bindings?
indigo fern
its not a hacky fix it worked11!!11
vocal furnace
What gets me laughing is people complaining about the new menu even tho it has the potential to provide unlimited gesture overrides and we finally get to make avatars with more complexity. But oh no it takes one more step to trigger it now. lol
vocal shard
Im too used to the old menu :((
small wing
That's the sad thing since the complaints are baseless anyways, we still have the normal gestures lol.
west yoke
The menu complaint is weird because it's literally people complaining about "Oh, it changed. It's horrible!"
indigo fern
the entire UI is going to be yeeted soon, thats why they needed to move the emotes
vocal shard
I'll get used to it though
inland bough
i just don’t like that they put it where my jump used to be
whole hound
Positive things can exist at the same time as negatives. They're not mutually exclusive. People are still entitled to be a little bummed about some things while excited for the prospects of others.
carmine nebula
What's wrong with the menu. I don't see why its so bad.
small wing
@whole hound yeee
languid beacon
I’ve had years of youtube, Reddit, and twitter changing their layout, and what I’ve learned is it takes about a week before I forget anything even changed and then the old stuff looks old and weird
vocal shard
you are old and weird
I'm still not used to comments being where they are on mobile YT
carmine nebula
Lol, you sure told off Adeon.
vocal furnace
@languid beacon Thats a pretty good example
languid beacon
I am!
small wing
I remember when they removed the old loading screen, and how butthurt even I was. xD
neat zinc
hence why i say, this shit eventually dies down, and then the actually well said arguments against the system start popping up, cause yknow.... people got time to get used to it and know how it works now
vocal shard
I still prefer the older loading screen tho ngl
carmine nebula
I miss the old loading screen. That was literally a nostalgia trip when I first got VR in July 2018
indigo fern
discord mobile swiping for channels looks weird 😢
languid beacon
Oh no for sure. I miss “Partially Offline” by Andrea Baroni
small wing
I'm just curious how strange the new menu will feel once I get a new headset.
indigo fern
ok ok thats different, old loading was objectively better
carmine nebula
Hey I like that I can lock gestures with vive
languid beacon
carmine nebula
I don't have to hold down the grip button when I want to close my eyes. 💯
vocal shard
Yes being able to lock out gestures is really nice for certain avatars
Thank God I can use some avatars without triggering epileptic episodes
(I'm not epileptic I jus worry someone might be)
small wing
@languid beacon I really want to type in all caps thanking you for that link, but I know the bot will delete it so i'm just going to make this superfluous and incessantly long message to trick the bot so I can say THANK YOU IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOR YEARS. ❤️
crimson patrol
I like that we can see the download size of avatars now and block them if they are too large 🙂
small wing
O-oh my, your avatar is s-so. Large uwu.
indigo fern
wait you never knew the song? monka
vocal shard
Neither did I
We need the option to remap our key bindings. Pressing A to jump is unnatural as hell and why does this menu need to two toggles??? Holding B also opens it
indigo fern
well, you know what to do now, download and play it irl constantly
small wing
I always thought it was Rocktopus who made the intro music @indigo fern
sweet drum
I won't be getting on until this update is gone
vocal shard
I miss my old pals, we did stupid things
opaque hawk
okay bye
languid beacon
The menu is on both hands so you can have a four axis puppet
echo sigil
I agree fox! It means public worlds are less laggy for people with internet like mine x3
sweet drum
It's so bad at least fix the jumping problem
small wing
Shoutout to all those people without a mic that played fruit catch with me in the old green hub and then logged off one day never to be seen again.
winged adder
Puppeting your avatar feels more like a PC thing
vocal shard
I played on desktop cuz I was poor before
dawn mortar
So is this whole debug account stealing thing a fake rumour or is it true?
languid beacon
It’s very much a vr thing as well
winged adder
what do I need puppet for? I can move
echo sigil
I'll be honest, I complained pretty hard about the control changing, but I fixed my issue. We can turn off the mic button in settings! Only issue I have are some avatars are weird with fbt. Hands also drifting is weird
vocal shard
All those years of not being able to headpat unleashed upon the unknowing
idle elm
You can puppet other things, like a tail too
winged adder
Also it does nothing for avatars made with 2.0
idle elm
of if you are a robot, more arms. Or what ever
plain bluff
@winged adder Except break them
winged adder
Unless every nanachi,hobkin,etc uploader learns this new system... I see issues
crimson patrol
Has anyone with playspace/vive remapped space drag so it doesn't open the new menu?
echo sigil
Yeah hobkins are scuffed with this update sadly
languid beacon
Puppeting also has direct access to your joystick inputs so I’m sure we will see better vehicles with it as well
whole hound
Mine is on my jump. So I just jump while play spacing lmao. I'll change it eventually.
small wing
I'm going to use puppeteering to control a little R/C car.
echo sigil
With rift make it x and turn off the mic button in settings
winged adder
I still just want button remapping
languid beacon
Steam has button remapping built in
crimson patrol
I'm just trying to think of the best remap option
winged adder
Wait you can turn off mute?!?! WHERE?
vocal shard
wha
dawn mortar
Is the whole debug tool account theft thing going around a false rumour or is it actually real?
winged adder
I hate that controller mute button. Hate hate hate. Absolutely HATE
echo sigil
In settings it's a button called "disable mic button." It's been there for desktop forever, but it works with vr with this update!
whole hound
I heard the rumor too.
winged adder
I thought that only turned off the quick menu one?@echo sigil
twilit oyster
Does someone know how many time u have tu play so u can upload avatars??
echo sigil
It keeps the menu one perfect, but disables the new button! I love it!
stone plume
Guys im hearing people can steal other peoples account rn due to the new update. idk if this is true
vocal shard
Will headpatting be the standard way of approaching others
winged adder
Oh thank god
vocal shard
Naturally there would be rumors about Swiss cheese style security
dawn mortar
I know rumours can kick off a lot of the time but I find it best to ask in the official channels on how genuine or not it is
inland bough
yes @vocal shard
ruby needle
@stone plume as true as all the other times.
vocal shard
nice
stone plume
ffs
dawn mortar
Naturally I go towards it being fake by default but its always nice to ask for confirmation
echo sigil
yeah someone was reading it in my invite world from their server and I straight up said "That's as bs as the last rumor"
whole hound
I'm still gonna wait awhile to make sure it's a false rumor lol
crimson patrol
VRChat may or may not have prematurely released this update but I would hope if there was a gamebreaking bug that allowed access to other's accounts there would've already been a revert
vocal shard
is being put in an empty server when you try to join a server with people a glitch or punishment?
stone plume
is the team currently fixing this issue?
ruby needle
What issue?
vocal shard
LoL they bumped slow mode to 30secs... okay
winged adder
"too many people are annoyed and talking fast. LETS ANNOY THEM MORE."
ASMR : sound of several cellphones being tossed across the room
vocal shard
Let's headpat each other to ease the tension 
ruby needle
winged adder
I legit pet every cute avatar that's smaller than me
vocal shard
I pet everyone, all deserve pats
winged adder
My friends are cuddle bugs
agile moon
Hola gamers
stone plume
there is so much tension this morning, i literally just woke up. also headpats fix everything
vocal shard
They fill the void in our gamer hearts
stone plume
yes
vocal shard
And sometimes you really do think you feel the virtual pat, which makes it better
winged adder
The attention in general makes a warm feeling
vocal shard
Yeah there is a lot of tension about three avatar artist said they're quitting over this last night
That's unfortunate :((
winged adder
It's likely a lot more than three
vocal shard
I guess it's a good time to start learning how to make avatars for me
winged adder
The system is completely different now. I wanted to make an avatar.. now I'd have to use a cumbersome menu to trigger memes
grizzled pasture
Welp I did some reading and my concerns on the new update have been addressed it looks. It's good to know
vocal shard
It was mainly the update broke all of their existing avatars
stone plume
this whole thing about people able to steal other peoples accounts has me at almost 13 pings due to how idiots think it might be real
vocal shard
Some people are overcautious
agile moon
^
winged adder
Can't wait to see vrchat legends who make meme avatars losing their mind because it's a pain to use now.
Cyberchimp, lolathon,radiant soul,etc
agile moon
Was this last update really that bad?
stone plume
yeah so ive had to mute every server im in otherwise if i didnt i would hear ** PING PING PING PING PING ** left and fuckin right
vocal shard
||brochacho||
ruby needle
No @agile moon
winged adder
Yes @ruby needle
vocal shard
Depends on who you ask
This update also opens the door to make meme cancer bombs out of avatars
grizzled pasture
Not really that bad, just different in a lot of cases
ruby needle
Some changes that are a bit eh, and a fix of a long existing bug that causes people who have worked around the bug in a non standart way to have broken avatars as they will need to undo the dirty fix for them to work properly again
whole hound
Idk about making them. But using memes and stuff will be the same for a lot of meme stuff. As they dont use emotes. Just hand gestures.
winged adder
Hi bee!
agile moon
Huh that’s interesting
stone plume
anyway im gonna go play payday 2 bye you guys