and an index takes maybe 10 mins to setup
#vrchat-general-2
rancid flame
inner cape
whats next, gonna do it on the london eye?
rough pulsar
It was, 8 hour crossing from Rotterdam to Harwich.
inner cape
jeez
twin fractal
gallium moment
rough pulsar
It's not like I specifically brought my Index to do that, I'd been visting VRC friends and took my VR gear with me anyway.
barren igloo
do i just added someone, they're not showing up on my friends list tho
does it take a little to process?
rough pulsar
It may take a little while before the client refreshes the friends list
quiet ice
hmm how strange
inner cape
they might have gone offline too
twin fractal
who's gonna tell him they didn't accept 😢
barren igloo
they sent me the request
barren igloo
ima just give it time and hopefully it works, all of them had yellow names so i assume its just gonna take a while
paper field
Just give it time, api overloaded rn
inner cape
ye ye
quiet ice
i shut down the whole mainframe, im the hacker known as 4 chan
twin fractal
thank you
quiet ice
it was meee all along
dire wagon
languid beacon
I'm having trouble starting VRChat in desktop mode. The "chose mode" dialog closes out immedately and it starts in VR mode
nimble nimbus
anyone DTrace VRC yet?
languid beacon
I tried unplugging the rift but then starting vrchat makes it load in then the login screen instant crashes to desktop
nimble nimbus
hmm crash error screen or just dumps?
languid beacon
Just instantly vanishes. VR mode works fine
nimble nimbus
I am trying to find the directory for the crash.dmp files
if you had any it could tell you something
languid beacon
Ok nevermind it was my fault I didn't have the steam version installed at all. the oculus version was added as a non-steam game
nimble nimbus
🙂 glad it wasn't anything serious
pale timber
o
wet sluice
a
pale timber
wha
wet sluice
h
wary hollow
Can we get an ability to know how many times a avatar you uploaded gets cloned or favorited
That should be very useful
astral granite
monkas
vocal shard
Heyoo
polar jasper
Announcement for those that can't read it https://i.imgur.com/7m1cNTg.png
stone panther
I can't get the announcements page to load, what-Oh, thanks.
vocal shard
nice videos fixes 🙂 kudos staff
floral aspen
Gib Unity 2018 pls
vestal pier
soon™️
vocal shard
^
indigo fern
placid umbra
2018 is sooooooooon
vocal shard
vestal pier
9 o's means its in 9 days ;-)
icy pasture
huh
muted tundra
soon? "soon day" or "soon week"?
placid umbra
Well
vocal shard
when it's ready
muted tundra
good point
floral aspen
^
placid umbra
To echo #open-beta-announcements , there's some additional fixes that we're working with Unity on
tidal aspen
smh yall not even on unity 2024 yet
languid trail
aev is this crasher virus thing legit or bs?
icy pasture
lo9l
vestal pier
@languid trail its bs, they're all bs.
icy pasture
"2024" da hell mr time traveler man
placid umbra
Unity has been really awesome, but anyways it'd be good to have content ready for 2018 very soon
floral aspen
Don't believe any dumb rumors you hear on discord or in game. They're all bs
vocal shard
^
vestal pier
Aev, people were told the same thing last year 😅
rancid flame
think about it. 2018 lts, 2- the second month, 01 - the first hour of the day, and 8- the 8th day in February. unity 2018 update confirmed feb. 8th
placid umbra
More fixes!
mighty moss
lament zinc
Did anyone just crash after that?
vocal shard
and the 'virus' where your avatar is a instant clap, just go on the VRChat website - avatar - Reset to default avatar.
placid umbra
We want it out too, I've been on 2018 for so long that the 2017 splash screen looks strange to me now
indigo fern
I'll splash your screen
lucid nova
Did anyone else just have a 6mb update?
vestal pier
rancid flame
^
hasty drift
How else will the update change the quality of the game?
vestal pier
video players work
rancid flame
im pretty sure all its doing is fixing some issues with video players in worlds
hasty drift
Damn. Could've done with an update for the skins on quest.
hasty drift
Being able to see more skins.
vestal pier
Thats not much to do with the game as the creators
rancid flame
the issue is that most skin creators dont feel like optimizing them for a platform they dont use
vestal pier
The team are working on letting Quest see PC stuff - but idk how far along that is
rancid flame
i could see a quest user unblocking someone with a 300k avatar and just instacrashing
hasty drift
I see.
placid umbra
The somewhat boring answer is that it's a very hard problem to solve
hasty drift
Mhm
rancid flame
can only do so much with an old mobile processor
placid umbra
Content can't just be loaded, so you have to do a lot of things to bridge the gap
wary hollow
the ranks they should get very poor limit 20-40k poly and any bigger gets hidden as a new rank
rancid flame
20-40k is tiny
wary hollow
getting a version of my avatar to sub 10k poor was hard
rancid flame
thats like the old 2017 limit
placid umbra
The limits on Quest are not likely to change, 20-40k is huge on a Quest
The Oculus recommendation for an entire scene is ~100k if I remember right
rancid flame
tf
hasty drift
I only got quest because it's relatively the cheapest. Expected it to be better
polar jasper
Somewhere around there yeah
placid umbra
assume the world takes at least half, 5 people at 10k and you're already passing that
rancid flame
not to mention somewhere like the pug
wary hollow
100k they get constant 80fps right why not give an extra option for people who want to push the imits
hasty drift
Yeah
rancid flame
im mostly running vrchat at 20-40fps with my index but i would rather have that then have more limits on avatars
wary hollow
and there is a way to join a full world so a quest + pc world limit to 12 gets to 27 plus they seem to be doing fine questy users
rigid crescent
"Expected it to be better" smh this is what happens when there's no Quest VRC vs Desktop VRC comparison vid lol
sonic merlin
Hey everyone is VRchat down again
placid umbra
None of this has anything to do with PC
rancid flame
no
rigid crescent
i keep forgetting to make one
errant saffron
Anyone have an oculus and want to join my oculus home and watch Star Wars
sonic merlin
So what’s going on with it
hasty drift
When I got a quest I wanted to be immersed. Currently it's just a bunch of robots doing things that I can't see.
rancid flame
i mean what did you expect out of a couple year old mobile cpu?
rigid crescent
Yeah, that's basically the Quest Experience
hasty drift
Damn
Also oofbot this is the VRChat room.
hasty drift
What's that?
placid umbra
It's the quest version of the great pug
hasty drift
And what is that?
rancid flame
is there any comparison pics from the pc pug and the quest pug?
placid umbra
Usually full of quest users instead of being mostly pc
rancid flame
i dont think ive ever seen any quest vrchat and pc vrchat comparisons
hasty drift
Huh
wary hollow
you can join it on pc np
vestal pier
west btw
rigid crescent
lol Quest users seem to dislike Quest users so much that they dont wanna play with them judging by the complaints we get here
vocal shard
West like quest
grim canopy
Wild Wild West
quasi sparrow
VRC Quest is to Minecraft Bedrock as PC is to Java Edition
rancid flame
damn thats a good comparison
grim canopy
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
floral flaxBOT
┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go
quasi sparrow
hold on
wary hollow
xD
quasi sparrow
There we go
wary hollow
👍
errant saffron
Anyone wanna join my oculus home and watch Star Wars
rancid flame
pe is bedrock btw
vestal pier
Thanks.
rancid flame
wrong chat oofbot
errant saffron
Bruh
rancid flame
damn i used to play a ton of pe lite when it was out
grim canopy
Lol oofbot
quasi sparrow
ikr! so did I!
grim canopy
Love the name 😂
errant saffron
Lol
quasi sparrow
The only reason i dont play PC is becuase i have a L A P T O P
rancid flame
what are the specs?
wary hollow
@quasi sparrow u deserve a medel
wary hollow
thats not bad
desert stratus
eh thats not tje fairest comparison. quest is magnitudes more stripped down, whereas bedrock is just a modless rewrite that is arguably better than java in a number of things. also bedrock apparently has modding now
rancid flame
I think old pe to java is the best comparison
quasi sparrow
Crooked I Agree
But even though quest version is completely barebones somewhat
Its still nice
rancid flame
like old pe
quasi sparrow
Its works is what im trying to say.
Ive made friends on it lol, even some PC user friends
But basically id rather have quest over nothing
Just like Old PE: Its better than nothing
wary hollow
@quasi sparrow play pc vrchat wirelessly on quest
rancid flame
virtual desktop i think
wary hollow
quite a bit did i dont use a quest so i have not researched
@rancid flame i heard bout that tho uncertain
quasi sparrow
Ohhh so did i! I will have to take a look at that
wary hollow
hopefully u can do it easily tho you get some latency
quasi sparrow
I will defienently check that out
But in the meantime ive got to hit the sack, ill talk to you guys tomorrow!
rancid flame
cya
errant saffron
Anyone have an oculus and want to join my oculus home and watch Star Wars
rigid crescent
has anyone wanted to watch anything the last 8 times you've asked?
sage lance
apparently i met swaggersouls in vrchat
broken plover
I did too a few times (or Someone who sounded exactly like him)
barren igloo
Will unity 2018 have the same peformance as the current version?
Or will it be more intensive
wet sluice
It generally has better performance. Though certain things are impacted differently so it's not a clear answer of yes or no.
mild sapphire
anyone wanna chill? if so dm me
night crane
Hey real quick, can someone explain to me how the new unity version should run better? I’m trying to explain it and keep it simple for my friend
rigid crescent
Will it?
wet sluice
In some aspects, yea. Il2cpp does produce better optimized code, but beyond that Unity 2018 isn't implicitly better. It does provide the Job system as a good multi threading method, but that is a system that must be used and not something vrchat will just get.
The job system could be where a lot of time has gone with the update besides bug fixes and Udon. It could take some time to refactor whatever custom method they had used to achieve multithreading now.
night crane
Thank you so much for answering lol
wet sluice
There could be other things related to worlds/scenes and shit too but I don't really mess with those. The only thing I've heard is that the in-Unity terrain creator tool is really fucked up and laggy. So not all things are good.
vale wave
Im just curious about this udon and avatar 2.0 en new ui
vale wave
But then u didnr
hollow breach
if vrc doesnt have this multi threading thing
ima be upset
need to use my 16 cores 32 threads
rancid flame
Will the 2018 untiy lts allow for true multithreading or just passing off garbage collection to other cores
flat oyster
Soooooo what happened to the camera
wet sluice
Escoosi
rigid crescent
i dunno, what happened to it?
vale wave
They sold it
vale wave
Big yikes
flat oyster
It used to
wet sluice
@hollow breach @rancid flame It multithreads now. Pretty certain the current multithreading model works just fine for tons of threads. It just doesn't work well for lower thread counts since it doesn't prioritize or pool at all. Saved you the effort, Mic
flat oyster
I swear i saw a camera option on desktop
hollow breach
i was told something else by someone on vrc
vale wave
Nah it doesnt or it was a glitch
hollow breach
that the game doesnt multithread
wet sluice
They were misinformed
hollow breach
sucks that i have RTX 2070 with ryzen 9 3950x and i still lag in vrc
reeeeeeeeeeeee
wet sluice
It just currently uses a "make everything a thread" multithreading model. Which isn't particularly great unless you have tons of threads.
broken plover
It wouldn’t even be possible because the camera renders to the desktop window and then u would’nt Know what you’re doing because you can’t see
rancid flame
I got a 1600 and a 1070 and I usually get 20-30 fps on my index
wet sluice
It also uses DX11 which causes rendering to depend on single thread performance
hollow breach
i look at a few streamers and im like "how do they not lag"
how is it so perfect with all those shaders
truly compuzzules me
vale wave
They work for nasa
rancid flame
I assume they just got good specs
hollow breach
are my specs not good O_O
wet sluice
Inspect and diagnose bottlenecks in the task manager details tab
fast pike
VRC eats good specs
vocal shard
Probably lower their graphics settings too
rigid crescent
wait wait
hollow breach
mine are lowered too
rigid crescent
are you actually serious and dont know theres mutlithreading lol
hollow breach
@rigid crescent I was told by someone on VRC that there wasnt
rigid crescent
damn, so it wasnt a meme
wet sluice
Mic, people don't know how to use task manager lol
hollow breach
I have check my task manager
rigid crescent
Realistically, having shaders on shouldn't lag you much unless youve got that bad of a PC
vale wave
And ur wham?
hollow breach
16GB
rigid crescent
and most people streaming it have a decent pc
hollow breach
is my PC not decent?
fast pike
NVIDEA NVEC helps with streaming
fast pike
I recorded a session and realized slobs wasn't on the nvec (new) and cried in low fps
hollow breach
ima go to the void club with everything on in VR
rigid crescent
if youre lagging and unable to stream with a 2070, something is wrong with your computer
fast pike
That's why you getting low fps, void lmao
vale wave
Void club what do u expect xd
hollow breach
and ill tell you what my usage is in task manager
wet sluice
You can inspect individual gpu queues and encode/decoders in performance tab.
Vram can get chomped by certain avatars
vale wave
Its really bad optimised map and so laggy xd
hollow breach
then where should i go to test?
hollow breach
Black cat, great pug, room of rain
vocal shard
^
hollow breach
etc
fast pike
Do it in them then
vale wave
I always chill in the best room : carnaval climbing
fast pike
Pug is optimized bc of the Oculus Quest I think
rigid crescent
lemme just count all the pug's bad LODs lol
hollow breach
lol no there is a separate world for the pug
vocal shard
That's pug west.
fast pike
Ahh you right
vale wave
No i am left
vale wave
Means u need better gpu
rigid crescent
i dont think thats what it means lol
hollow breach
around 30 to 45FPS
vocal shard
Stay in there for 15 or 25 minutes and see what it goes up too.
hollow breach
sudden drops in FPS though from time to time which is annoying
vale wave
Prob some faggio with 70000 polys enter in
vocal shard
you mean 500,000 ?
wet sluice
Please check VRAM usage
vale wave
Yeah
rancid flame
A lot of public avatars I see range From 100k-500k polys so it just gets to a point where you accept low fps
rancid flame
Like I get if if the polys are being used
But when something is just subdivided for no reason it gets annoying
fast pike
X - Decimate
wet sluice
Under performance tab, GPU, at the bottom is "Dedicated GPU RAM/Memory". I'm not on windows RN, I forget the exact words.
rancid flame
There are also avatars where a good amount of polys are usually hidden do those are fine
I.E the Jojo ones & the stands
wet sluice
Numbers a nice
dusky light
Ugh its hard to create a character for vrchat
wet sluice
It should say something like "dedicated GPU memory : n.n GB / 8.0 GB"
rancid flame
Gotta give respect to the people who can make them well
vocal shard
Do you have safety settings on @hollow breach ?
hollow breach
nope
thats the test, to turn off safety settings
someone said that shaders shouldnt affect me that much
vocal shard
That will help, and turn on the dynamic bone limiter
hollow breach
so im testing it
of course if i have that on that will help, but rip immersion
ima go to sleep, ill test more later
vocal shard
hello iam back
vale wave
wb
junior bobcat
Hello
vale wave
hi
fading flower
Hola
vale wave
no portuguese plz
high dragon
hosting werewolf match
icy stirrup
lol
vale wave
I never played that
wary hollow
Hey any way to edit vrchat files
So my in game turning can be slower
The smooth turning if I can slow it down it would be better
hollow sluice
You can use playspace mover to turn
wary hollow
@hollow sluice i use room scale that would be an issue
wary hollow
the area is like an L if turn the chevrone ill get destroyed by the objects outside
wary hollow
if i use the open settings turn it wont change the playspace chev area
hollow sluice
Open settings?
wary hollow
openvr advanced settings
hollow sluice
Use advanced settings playspace mover. Its the best one
Yeah it does nove your chaperone
I literally use it ever day with the turn mechanic
wary hollow
damm then using it would be dangerous if i mess my chev and then walk into the wall or worse punch it
i wonder what file in vrchat controls the turn speed
hollow sluice
No it moves the chaperone with you. It doesnt get out of sync with the real world
Smh
wary hollow
but my chev is not a square i used advanced chevrone to make a weird shape to know here is the pc there is the tv and so on if it becomes turned in game then i will most likely hit something or bump into it
or u meant it turns u in game without chev modification
if so my bad
wary hollow
ahhh then thats not a good option sadly
hollow sluice
Why not ?
wary hollow
u said my play space will turn
hollow sluice
It does exactly what you want on what speed you want
Holy fuckin shit yes. Thats what you want
wary hollow
no i dont want to turn the play space with me
hollow sluice
So you want your playspace out of sync with your real room?
wary hollow
my playspace is like a rectangle if it turns it will be bad when i start moving
odd lava
@vale wave your problem are avatars in public instances, not world
hollow sluice
Fucking why?
wary hollow
i move in it alot
wary hollow
it should be like it rotates your play area to simulate u turning while standing
hollow sluice
THATs what it does
wary hollow
thats how i think its and if it does indeed rotate the play space then i cant use it as my play area is not a square
hollow sluice
I piterally said it rotates the playspace
south viper
🍿
wary hollow
good then its not an option
hollow sluice
Holy fucking shit dude
Youre not getting it lmao
When you rotate it rotates your plaspace so you turn in game wile standing still irl
Thius the playspace is in the same position as your real life room instead of going out of sync
keen trench
Does anyone know how I can get open vr advanced binds to stick
I have setup the binds but they seem to do nothing atm and idk what i'm doing wrong (sorry for interrupting this conversation)
south viper
It was such a good conversation too
keen trench
lol I can see
wary hollow
ahhh i get now so it rotates the play space but not the chev as they are separate
if so then i guess it should be usable the only thing it i will effect is the arrow i have i guess.
my bad for not getting it @hollow sluice
pseudo basalt
Just try it, there's an option to reset all movement
wet sluice
The chaperone doesn't move. The playspace becomes offset. (This is only something as of 4.0 Advanced settings iirc). Monty, you need to go into the advanced settings and enable playspace move and drag on your hands
wary hollow
indeed it was hopefully u enjoyed ur pop corn @south viper
pseudo basalt
So it goes back to how it was
keen trench
@wet sluice I went into the motion tab and enabled drag space
Yet it still didn't work for me
south viper
Truth is I am still on a diet and didn’t get to eat any popcorn at all
pseudo basalt
Or to apply your offsets to your playspace permanently
wet sluice
You also need to bind it to a specific button on said controller.
wary hollow
well that was embarrassing took me a while to relies that play space and chevron are different
pseudo basalt
Binds don't work for me anymore since some steam vr update 😔
wary hollow
but still anyone know where vrchat has it settings stored ?
wet sluice
https://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/17-i-crashedcant-launch-vrchatother-issues/
One of things it says to delete here
keen trench
Hmmm would being on steam vr beta cause any issues?
wet sluice
Probably. OpenVR beta releases aren't available to the public.
keen trench
Ah ok let me try change that then!
wet sluice
No way for advanced settings team to test that
wary hollow
ill check appdata later and see
keen trench
I've had so many issues with steam vr in general
I had to nuke windows to get my system menu button to work and open the steam vr dashboard ahaha
pseudo basalt
valve's not exactly known for stable software 
vale wave
If u call valve not stable ? try oculus
wet sluice
Umm. WMR is stable 😉
vale wave
not really 😛
wet sluice
I'm joking
pseudo basalt
Steam is the biggest pc distribution service and their client doesnt start half the time without killing it in the task manger
vale wave
so many weird flippin errors with my mixed reality
"Headset not found" just random
i think im going sick to my house,
wet sluice
Nothing is stable in VR because they're pushing motherboard I/O to normally untested levels. Seems to be the root of most problems I've heard so far.
Or cable drivers in some cases
vale wave
only stable vrheadset i had was google cardboard
wet sluice
My only 100% stable one was daydream. Not that I used it for much...
summer fulcrum
Hi
wet sluice
And actually wmr has been stable since I got a powered USB hub and reconfigured my overclock.
vale wave
ur a wmr user?
wet sluice
Yes
Now I only crash when vrchat wants more CPU cores than I have and I attempt to open the desktop.
vale wave
odyssey?
wet sluice
Yes O+
vale wave
is it good actually ?
odd lava
good screen, rest is crap seems to be most objective
wet sluice
Yes. Screen is fantastic, but yea tracking is meh. Working on a fix for that soon though.
The tracking isn't bad enough to care though.
vale wave
i had the lenovo explorer , the display are nono , but the rest was okay for starters
yeah, unless u play games like beatsaber
wet sluice
Idk, I've never noticed a serious issue in beatsaber before. I've made it to the top 3000s and 2000s with the motion controllers.
vocal shard
Hallo
vale wave
Weewoo
pseudo basin
UwU
quasi sparrow
Thanks to me trying to fix my avatar problem, i can now fix all and every site problem i have with my models
also im back
for a bit
odd palm
whre you we get the update, nothing has any
snow wadi
mental tendon
To anyone that is confident in thier abilities to make VRC characters I will pay you to make me a custom ish character so I stand out as a streamer please DM me if interested
snow wadi
I think if you go to #community-servers-old and look up VRC Traders you'll find what you're looking for.
urban kayak
Somebody else have connection issues?
rare notch
Hi everyone, i just wanted to put the idea of adding new emojis because it’s really fun to use them
next portal
Hi
blissful vale
Hello
marble cedar
bad :3
jovial pulsar
So a while back VRC released a little world creator thingy that we could play around with, where do I download this? I want to try making a private world for myself
vale wave
U mean unity
vocal shard
I think they mean the home world that they let us edit
vale wave
Never heard of it
vocal shard
In 2018 I think. We had the old default home world, and they also released the unity files so we could modify it in unity
vale wave
Ahh
vocal shard
I'm not sure. I think you're still able to fine those old files, but I don't think they released the files for the new home
deep locust
hi, is it vr chat need a vr?
next portal
Hi How to get friends in vr chat?
marble cedar
vr chat doesnt need a vr
to get friend in vrchat.... you need.. to.... try to get friends
marble cedar
not same
next portal
i dont have friends
marble cedar
get one
marble cedar
and
deep locust
hoo thanks for info @marble cedar
marble cedar
np
deep locust
if i want to use vr ? is it must oculus ? or i can use another vr ? like htc or smth
umbral reef
Any headset that works with SteamVR functions fine
So WMR, Oculus and vive headsets
deep locust
whats the cheapest? XD
marble cedar
oculus
next portal
I am wondering can we chat
umbral reef
Most budget? WMR headsets
marble cedar
cheapest i think
umbral reef
But make sure your PC can run VR first.
broken plover
yes wmr. most are about $200 to $300
umbral reef
@next portal ingame? No
next portal
I dont know how to chat
marble cedar
you can only speak
umbral reef
Check within the settings of vrchat if your right microphone is selected
What type of talking you have (push to talk or open) If its push to talk press V and the icon in the lower left will light up (once ya speak)
next portal
I dont know how to play this chat game
umbral reef
Its fairly clear on how most of the menu works 👀
marble cedar
why unmute
desert stratus
there is no in game chat
deep locust
@umbral reef we need high requierment for vr?
umbral reef
Pretty much yea
Download the steamVR performance test
pale timber
o
deep locust
okayy lemme try
what about im playing without VR? still need high requierment? @umbral reef
umbral reef
You will need a owkay ish pc then
Best is to just try out as i dont know what your definition of high end is
charred beacon
I had a random thought so reckoned I should ask: Can you map console controllers to work with VRChat?
broken plover
xBox controllers already work with vrchat
vocal shard
Vrchat already supports Xbox controllers
broken plover
but no gestures though
desert stratus
first thing
you can even use them in conjunctionwith vr or desktop mode
thats how you can getway with strange object manipulation or pressing buttons that are otherwise inaccessible except in desktop mode
charred beacon
I wasn't aware of this, thanks for the info guys ❤️
opaque hawk
console controllers are really limited, but usable to some degree. For fun trying using a xbox controller with the in game camera when in vr.
blissful vale
Lol
amber rivet
anyone wanna hangout 😁
tidal zodiac
How do I talk to people with out getting scared or clalming up? I sound really dumb saying this now I know but like, its hard y'know?
mellow herald
don't fucking understand what's wrong with my Oculus. A few weeks ago, my mic sounded like earrape and like a robot. I got help with it, and NOW my mic is to low? Even tho I have max volume in the settings
there is always something wrong
pale timber
turn the mic up in windows settings
i'm pretty sure you can do that in oculus settings too
mellow herald
without me doing anything, it's just like that the next day
pale timber
i cant do that
broken plover
oculus is weird
mellow herald
df u mean just talk, im In vrchat
vocal shard
not talking to you, M. Center of the world
mellow herald
and yes oculus is fucking weird
and okay sorry Svel
pale timber
svel ur the center of my world
vocal shard
😳
pale timber
tidal zodiac
Yea I know, but damn I have a hard time talking in real life though to. Wait, is there a way I can force myself to talk..?
pale timber
by talking. tf?
vocal shard
by asking your friends to only pay attention to you if you use your voice
pale timber
unless you want me to knock the wind out of you so you can make a little noise
broken plover
thats called being an introvert. I have the same problem. Can't even talk irl
tidal zodiac
Hot, and I don't have fri- edgy edgy sorry
pale timber
no u +1
broken plover
uno reverse card
vocal shard
NO U²
broken plover
O²
pale timber
wrf
vocal shard
¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰
pale timber
wha
broken plover
how do you do "1" and "4 and above"
pale timber
72737484927227
broken plover
I can only do ² and ³
vocal shard
⁷²⁷³⁷⁴⁸⁴⁹²⁷²²⁷
pale timber
how do u do that nico
broken plover
I only know how to do it on german keyboard because we have Alt Gr (idk what other keyboard has that key)
its alt gr + 2 or 3 for me
mellow herald
I hate oculus omg. Need to buy something else soon
vocal shard
frank whale
crap wrong group
broken plover
get index if its available again anytime soon. If not, then you could get a vive. If you have the cv1 (rift that has cameras that you place around your room) you wont notice a downgrade in screen quality because they use the same panels. if you have rift s its better to wait until index is available again
frank whale
k
mellow herald
index yes, when I have money for it. Oculus is fucking trash lately
vocal shard
What's wrong with your oculus? I don't have issues with mine 
frank whale
same
vocal shard
The mic is garbage
mellow herald
The mic is fucking ass
vocal shard
also it's a Rift
Oculus is the company name reeeeeeee
rigid crescent
Bad mic>Monthly RMA
vocal shard
Make sure your USB ports are not set to power saving. My mic did that at first, but after I changed the USB power settings, all the mic issues stopped and no issues. Or maybe try changing your USB ports
mellow herald
First its earrape and robot sounds from nowhere, and when I finally fixed it like a week ago, then my mic is to low instead. And i haven’t even touched anything
vocal shard
I also had that with my other headsets if I used an active usb3 extension cord
rigid crescent
An external mic is a cheaper way to fix the issue if it persists
molten gale
You are an external mic
vocal shard
ooooooo
frank whale
burn
molten gale
Its tru tho
rigid crescent
broken plover
I wish there would be a headset like the vive with ligthhouse tracking, but it doesnt have those outdated panels
molten gale
Sorry mic
frank whale
i have no problems and i have a quest and everyone hates it but idc
molten gale
Ill make a paper cutout of my avatar my quest version tbh
vocal shard
I really should make a quest version of my avatar
desert stratus
wrytopology time
frank whale
don't the pixal count is to low to work
desert stratus
...what?
molten gale
Wry?
vocal shard
poly*
desert stratus
wryyyyyytopology
molten gale
Dio
desert stratus
thats what i thought
if youre mega talented in both retopology and fiddling with style, making mobile stuff can work pretty well
vocal shard
just use cats auto decimate and set it to 5k
ez
desert stratus
pain
vocal shard
use F to fill up the hole in the mesh and you are good to go
desert stratus
in my experience decimation will never cut your model to less than 40% of its previous quality without starting to destroy the defining characteristics
from 40k tris to 14k
retopology? i can take any sweater and get it down to like 2.5k tris or less
vocal shard
Vatarga 
desert stratus
obv thats not an entire model but its a number
vocal shard
how do you even upload to quest again ?
desert stratus
switch build to android
(i just make a different pproject thats only ever set on android)
desert stratus
10k is the auto-block (soon to be hard) ceiling, 5k is considered excellent by vrc standards
by oculus standarda you cant have more than 100k tris in a mobile scene
rancid flame
Damn that's tiny
ruby needle
7,5k auto block 10k increased auto limit.
desert stratus
vrc also caps quest worlds at 50k tris leaving you with 50k leftover for all avatars in the scene
vocal shard
7.5k for normal. 10k for very poor performance settings. And then you can upload beyond that, but you manually have to unblock their avatar
ruby needle
i'd asume any some what active quest user set's it to 10k anyway
vocal shard
I could actually upload my monkey to quest
it's 5981 polys
desert stratus
ayyy
vocal shard
is there more conditions ?
desert stratus
having 2 mats immediatelu puts you at medium
ruby needle
possibly one material 4k max
generally as least and as compressed textures as possible.
desert stratus
you caan only use vrc approved mobile shaders, try not to use individual textures bigger than 1k
vocal shard
1 mat, 2k
ruby needle
wasn't there also a file size limit?
desert stratus
10mb
ruby needle
1mat 2k shouldn't cause an issue there.
desert stratus
blocked components; lights, dynb, cloth, audio (2d and 3d)
vocal shard
don't have those
molten gale
That sounds so sad tbh
vocal shard
it only got the minimum bone necessary
desert stratus
im pretty sure most of my pc avatars are not bigger than 8 mb because of how obsessed i am with compression
ruby needle
It takes less then you think to make something nice if you know what you're doing @molten gale
vocal shard
3 animations
1 to take of the hat
1 to spawn a banana
1 to put banana on head
desert stratus
i have a lot of fucking texture map though lol
vocal shard
it's all shapekeys so all in the same mesh
I find it funny. I used to come to vrc for the avatars and cool things people made. Now I really don't care about the avatars and like the people
animation works then ?
vocal shard
no eye tracking used
desert stratus
huh
vocal shard
and it's probably best when you look at the model tbh
desert stratus
ohk
vocal shard
optimized
and this is the famous monkey https://i.imgur.com/epwxKup.png
the real form of Svelsien btw
desert stratus
its the guy
broken plover
does the monkey have bananas under his hat?
vocal shard
there is a gesture to take a banana out
and one gesture to put the banana on the head
like so https://i.imgur.com/bq4TkU1.png
broken plover
xD
vocal shard
hmm
Monkei is only 13k, so I could definitely decimate a bit to upload him too https://i.imgur.com/PfvMRde.png
ruby burrow
I was able to get my normal 36'000 tri avatar down to 4'500 tris, with an hour of lazy bad decimation. Result was highly imperfect, but passable enough.
Considerable majority of the remaining tris were from the face, which I insisted on leaving untouched in order to preserve the blendshapes, since I care a lot about facial expression.
Ironically, I never actually uploaded it to be able to show on Quest though.
Was just an experiment really. Should really go back and give it another shot sometime, which a little more caution on preserving quality.
pale timber
yes.
desert stratus
heyheyhey
pale timber
hihihi
vocal shard
👁️
broken plover
👁️ 👄 👁️
pale timber
fast
desert stratus
heya language i know
ruby needle
Python 
inner cape
didnt they say you can script normally with udon too
i dont remember where i saw that tho, someone linked it way back
inner cape
ah
finite jolt
Anyway up for bingeing some anime on vr chat???
vague merlin
hey
does anyone have a clue how to play the pre-loaded movies on that rooftop theatre world?
rigid crescent
click a movie
vague merlin
does it take super long to play or am i just dumb?
rigid crescent
if it doesn't work, follow the instructions in the world. if those dont work, then it's something you'll have to troubleshoot on your end
rigid crescent
it shouldn't take that long, no more than a minute or two tops
median summit
Somebody want to play with me xd?
twin fractal
move off of unity lol
indigo fern
Get a better pc
near sky
It's a sacrifice for freedom of what content is in-game.
umbral reef
Ow really? Are there better platforms to build VR games in?
meager rose
Not really anything better in terms of ease of use for people who create content for it
near sky
Yet if we cut this freedom VRChat as we know it, the identity dies.
It's a weird place for a game to find itself.
umbral reef
almost like there is more then one leak
near sky
True.
umbral reef
Also a large part of ram being eaten is by avatars
near sky
VRAM, largely. Not RAM.
Unless VRChat also stores avatar data to RAM and I'm misinformed.
twin fractal
I used to crash with 8 gb
vocal shard
Get better cpu 4head
umbral reef
Pretty sure some things get stored in the ram, can that im being a tard and getting it wrong
indigo fern
There has been improvement tho
vocal shard
EaRlY aCceSs
umbral reef
Shh shh n8
Ofcours there hasnt been
All the update logs, them explaining exactly what they patched and ect in the beta's doesnt count
meager rose
I run the game a lot better now than I used to, same hardware
indigo fern
All the same 😂
jovial salmon
huh
near sky
That's not how memory for software works
desert stratus
while stuff can be done both on the part of the team and the players (compress your fucking textures already my god) to curb memory leaks, i dont think changing the game engine would make that much of a difference 
meager rose
I shouldnt say a lot better. Moderately better
umbral reef
Should maybe make your own VRchat if you know it so well 🙂
near sky
There's enough overlap to group it all together and say there's a problem, @vocal shard. I won't deny that.
indigo fern
Hmm, maybe if you were active in the community instead of cooming in privates you'd see the updates
desert stratus
its definitely gotten better
umbral reef
I also truly value all reports by users who often cant even boot up the game properly
vocal shard
Oh hey I found a Samsung Odyssey+ for $200
Do you have any proof that the memory leaks are caused by the exact same thing since 3 years ago?
desert stratus
i dont have to restart my game as often, i think only if i really push it and move a lot of worlds over the course of 7 hours
compared to moving between 5 worlds in 3 hours requiring a restart, about an entre year ago
twin fractal
@vocal shard short review: it good
indigo fern
Oh, now it doesn't matter
near sky
You do admit, though, it could be many things -and different things
vocal shard
Lmao this guy
umbral reef
A second ago it did 🤔
And now it doesnt anymore 🤔
near sky
Your point is: the problem persists?
desert stratus
that wasn't the smartest thing to say ^ ^`
umbral reef
Oi svel, lets go sniff some paint
I really want to fit in with the young kids joining here again
meager rose
It does matter, because if something else is causing the issue than the previous memory leak then that means they re fixing them
vocal shard
We could almost think that the game is far from being done and that issues like memory leaks are expected
devout berry
OK, the problem is: Content is created by community. If they don't optimize it, devs cannot fix it! They gave us platform, we have to fill it with content. @vocal shard
umbral reef
Your lying
Ofcours we will joke about you
indigo fern
Well, when you spout non sense like that, you should expect it
near sky
@vocal shard You should have expected a dogpile, it's how you're framing what you're saying.
near sky
That is also true, but I get the frustration.
umbral reef
We explained it, you refuse to accept anything all of the chat says
You contradict your own points within 3 minutes so dont expect us to keep serious
devout berry
Optimization relies on world/avatar creators, NOT the devs!
near sky
The base platform, before user content, should be minimal-resource/lite, place resources only where it must, and make the most room for unoptimized user content -at least in my software headcannon.
devout berry
Yeah, but optimized engine will still perform poorly, when you give it content, that is just "held together by duct tape".
umbral reef
Also, a well known memory leak that got patched over a yearish ago is the menu.
If you want to search the interwebs for what they fixed
vocal shard
I found an AMD RX580 for $85 too
absolute steal of a price
used tho
" nice to know I'm attacked for this"
Guitarguy, 1 minute ago :
Yes, genius.... they have, maybe if you had a brain and had a look at the reports then you wouldnt be so sarcastic
near sky
@vocal shard No kidding -stolen, even if it was used
vocal shard
lol
snow wadi
Just make sure it doesn't have a troubled history with its usage.
vocal shard
Oh I'm asking the seller
I get you.
indigo fern
That's pretty much on the offense if you ask me
near sky
Some people really get their backs up -and we're a crowd.
Not worth going too hard in on imo -I get you guys.
devout berry
Or it can be "PC fryer" card. Those are fake GPUs, that will kill your HW. @vocal shard
vocal shard
If you want to criticize something out of your ass then you should expect people to point out the bullshit you are trying to spread
near sky
True.
indigo fern
It's whatever, he started frustrated from his first statement so I was already expecting a good time
near sky
It was obvious, went where it would. It's just people.
vocal shard
And now he is crying in my dms xd
near sky
It's whatever, he started frustrated from his first statement so I was already expecting a good time
@indigo fern Never a good base for a conversation. Something I can understand
desert stratus
opening up an interaction with frustration is a recipe for fun times
indigo fern
A delicious recipe 🤤
near sky
Only the most fun
vocal shard
@devout berry well the seller has a photo of the card in his pc
among other photos
with the original box
devout berry
Ok.
junior siren
hello
wet sluice
@near sky system RAM is used to store avatars indirectly. It gets allocated as shared GPU memory to be used for when VRAM fills up
spice depot
can someone help me my vrchat keeps on crashing and i dont know how to fix it
i contacted vrchat support and they havent responded
wet sluice
How much RAM do you have?
spice depot
8GB
rigid crescent
oof
rigid crescent
no one is hacking
devout berry
@spice depot Someone probably forced you to become a self crasher using a hacked client. Go to vrchat.com -> login -> avatars -> reset to default avatar.
They inject users with avatars that cause immediate crash after loading the game.
spice depot
ok ill try that
thank you
@devout berry thank you so much you just made my day it worked! i owe u
idle elm
Can anyone point me to people involved with Alternative Market?
devout berry
@idle elm Don't exactly remember the name, but VR Pill mentioned the person in his older stream where he explored worlds last year. Just try searching the video.
jolly kernel
Name Sound : Meogiagaltd Miku, Hatsune Miku, Snow Miku, Yuki Miku, Mikudayo, Hatsune Mikuo, Hachune Miku, Smol Miku, Negimiku, Sakura Miku.
Name Call : Hatsune Miku
devout berry
It is on his YT, about 4 months back if I remember.
umbral reef
@idle elm tried to contact them from there official twitter? Dm'd him another way to contact the guy
devout berry
@spice depot I am glad it helped. This happens a lot nowadays. The sad thing is, that those are not even hackers, but script kiddies - people who download ready 2 use hacked client and make people crash themselves for their enjoyment.
spice depot
yeah they are jerks have a good one @devout berry
devout berry
Also another good thing to know: If someone's avatar is affecting your vision and it is uncomfortable, just press ctrl + escape - it will activate safe mode. Safe mode is a shortcut, that sets your safety level on custom and disables everything for everyone in the game. To revert, just set it on another safety level, or re-enter your custom settings, because it overwrites them.
rigid crescent
Turn off animations for non friends and you'll almost never have that issue
wet sluice
Yep, it's really funny seeing a troll do basic animation #4 instead of their puke inducing screen space shading
twin fractal
such a shame. I love the neat stuff you can do with anim overrides but you basically have to play with them off by default
vocal shard
I like some screen space stuff.
stiff tree
anyone else getting vrchat loading into a black screen after the update?
twin fractal
I like props 
wet sluice
I have yet to see a screen space shader that does anything beyond make me sick. I heard a new render pipeline will just break those. So maybe we can enable anims again without having to worry if that gets used.
rigid crescent
I just show people who seem decent
vocal shard
not in all public rooms lol
wet sluice
Yea, full show avatar is what I do too
wet sluice
Lmao, so true....
rigid crescent
vocal shard
Japan shrine here we come
devout berry
Guess... Japanese are nice.
indigo fern
because legacy anims were taken out 😏
rigid crescent
Japan shrine = /= JP lobby
twin fractal
we are plagued with the meme kids
rigid crescent
I mean like event and usually Fantasy Shukaijou
twin fractal
Asian communities are different
rigid crescent
My studying is slowly paying off 
I'm able to have extremely broken, kindergarten level conversation
devout berry
One problem is, that Japanese mostly don't speak English, so at least spoken language is a must to play with them.
indigo fern
thats what i usually see in here anyway 
rigid crescent
Just study 4hed
gilded helm
eroticu roleplayu?
twin fractal
I can understand very very basic stuff
indigo fern
there was this jp player in the black cat the other day, he was just vibing
we said he looked like sasuke so any time we asked him something he'd just raise his arms and say sasuke
twin fractal
@gilded helm that's how you beat the language barrier 
rigid crescent
Lol
vocal shard
That's amazing
wet sluice
@gilded helm H pulee
rigid crescent
The ones I've met just called it ERP or H
gilded helm
It's like legit effective
indigo fern
you dont have to say anything, just drop a portal to just h
twin fractal
thinking with your heads 
gilded helm
just like for talking to europeans that aren't good at english
devout berry
Btw, Japanese worlds are usually really interesting, because of how much work they put in them.
rigid crescent
SMH even their strip club events don't. Break tos. Which was kinda unfortunate
gilded helm
you just speak with a broken european accent
rigid crescent
Yeah except they always go crazy on lighting and shadows and post processing as if the worlds only exist to take screenshots in
devout berry
Take for example the last virtual market event - everything was made with normal SDK, except for a little special script that the devs made for them to open the e-shop from VRChat.
rigid crescent
Yeah and the worlds all lagged to shit
molten gale
Not rly
ruby needle
i mean, they where cramped with stuff 
indigo fern
very much so, its literally multiple separately made booths like how the new years map is
molten gale
If I join a vket world now i get 40-60 frames
indigo fern
alone yea
vocal shard
same
devout berry
Really looking forward for Udon, because I thing, that when they put it in vket, it will be even more spectacular.
molten gale
Thats still better than many other worlds
rigid crescent
They absolutely did lag lol even friends on high spec PCs had issues.
It's definitely not better lol
indigo fern
it is yes, but that doesnt make it good at all
rigid crescent
I doubt vket will use udon til next years
devout berry
Btw, had to catch the next one live. I haven't catched vket 3, but at least they archive the maps so you can explore them after the event.
vocal shard
vket is in April correct?
rigid crescent
Ye
indigo fern
by concept it will lag and theres pretty much no way around that unless they double the time of the world creation
devout berry
vket 3 was in September. VR Pill said something about twice a year schedule in his steam from vket 3.
rigid crescent
they're in different months
indigo fern
yea, they have a site to check, even eng version now
rigid crescent
i gotta find my copypasta from last year lol
indigo fern
gogo
rigid crescent
and it's only ever been once a year
indigo fern
there was that one summer market, it was small anyway
rigid crescent
it's still one V-Ket is what I mean, the others aren't actually the main V-Ket event though 🤔
indigo fern
ye thats what i mean, it was just a random thing
devout berry
Yep, no. 4 is this April.
rigid crescent
cant wait to see if it lags more ore less lol
devout berry
400 GB + on HDD - CHECK! I am ready!
indigo fern
if they dont have 7 eleven sponsors in every map imma be upset
rigid crescent
lots more western exhibitors this year too
indigo fern
yea, i hope they section that garbo off into a different world
rigid crescent
since they released better info for participation, both individuals and circles are entering
how is it garbo?
twin fractal
meanie
rigid crescent
Most of the western modelmakers I see are LEAPS better than a lot of the random V-Ket entries lol
devout berry
Btw, I found that no. 3 is still accessible as archive. And no. 2 too. Only the first one has no archived worlds.
indigo fern
im sure something subcom is gonna be lurkin in the back alleys
rigid crescent
and? if it's from scratch why does it matter?
indigo fern
even the bad ones were gud tho
rigid crescent
Even I don't look at V-Ket with that much delusion
indigo fern
and that one guy that has a booth with one a piece of bread 💦
rigid crescent
a majority of them were ok entries, lots of them were "bad" by the standards most people have of a "good model" from booth
devout berry
I am coming for the venue worlds experience, not even to shop.
Because the worlds are really an eye candy.
Going to dig into archive too!
rigid crescent
like this is what a lot of entries were https://puu.sh/F79Z6/24e5d3570a.png
so i definitely welcome a lot of the polished work non-japanese modelers have to offer
real drift
Jk
indigo fern
there were also a lot that had really good looking 2d thumbnails that didnt represent the avatar well
rigid crescent
definitely looking forward to more of the shaders and collab-models too
indigo fern
i wanna see some vket shirts online internationally
rigid crescent
Not every booth model is a Mische or a Lua, most are just.... https://puu.sh/F7a0I/f866efe3fc.png
didnt they sell internationally last year?
indigo fern
not sure, only remember it at that actual store location they collabed with
rigid crescent
i think they shipped internationally
indigo fern
gotta keep my eyes peeled this time then
vocal shard
hi
barren igloo
why does vrchat keep uninstalling itself?
rigid crescent
your hard drive is probably dying
vocal shard
Alright I decided to go for the PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX580 8GB
for my GPU
and I ordered it for $123
instead of the $85 one
cus I didn't trust the seller or the app used
finite kraken
I don’t think any other game effected me so much as Vrchat has, all those anime and Loli’s all those head pats the feminine sounding men.. this game does strange things to a man that halo can’t even achieve
wet sluice
UwU
rancid flame
one of the few games thats almost made me question my sexuality
pale timber
ww
desert stratus
if it made you almost question your sexuality then it has made you question your sexuality >u>
a hunch is a hunch brother
big bro
rancid flame
ya got me there
elfin pawn
So I know you can increase your ranking by joining lobbys, creating worlds, making friends and making avatars. But does anyone know how long it takes to become known user by not uploading worlds or avatars? Just simply making friends and playing VRChat? Is that not possible or does it just require a lot of hours?
rigid crescent
just play til it happens
wet sluice
No one could easily answer that
rigid crescent
i mean technically no one can answer it at all
wet sluice
Except the devs, but they wouldn't because the details are deliberately private.
twin fractal
@vocal shard I have that
wet sluice
Took me 400 hours though
elfin pawn
Yeah that's true that no one can answer that but how do you think they do it? Do you think it's on a point system or do you think its like mathematically complicated. What's your opinion?
vocal shard
Does it perform well? @twin fractal
twin fractal
yep. more than capable
odd palm
So what affects the ranking system, I have 58 hours and multiple friends and I play every day and I'm still a visitor
rancid flame
uploading things also affects it
also if you have been muted, hidden, or vote kicked, or blocked
vocal shard
We don't really know the specifics. The dev team keeps it hidden so people can't exploit it, and trust builds more naturally
twin fractal
@odd palm 58 hours??? please tell me you have a VRChat account
odd palm
is it because i made it with steam?
vocal shard
Yes
odd palm
oh? can i keep all my friends and everything coz i love my account
twin fractal
you're vistor for life until you merge
meager solstice
@odd palm fav models and fav worlds usually don’t transfer over
pale timber
dain moment
odd palm
models as in avatars?
twin fractal
yin moment 
odd palm
noooooo
meager solstice
Yes but friends will @odd palm
twin fractal
pale timber
odd palm
i love my avatars
twin fractal
write down the IDs
odd palm
how do i do that
meager solstice
Write down worlds u got them from
odd palm
i full on dont remeber
meager solstice
If u start up 2 instances of the game, and clone the models with the new account, I believe they should save when u merge
odd palm
yo im stressed i dont know how to do any of this
meager solstice
U start 1 from steam and start the other account from the website
odd palm
okay i made a vrchat account
meager solstice
Super simple, start the game up on steam using the first account, go into VRChat.net make a the new account. Add the new account to ur friends list. Than from the website u should be able to join on ur old account
twin fractal
man people really gotta chill with the steam accounts
fading epoch
are mods able to track users wearing certain avatars via blueprint ID? an avatar that has been temporarily made public was force cloned using scripts and i'm kinda upset about it.
twin fractal
devs probably can
fading epoch
avatar was public due to the fact my customer didnt have the package yet but wanted the avatar in-game early. neither of us had cloning on.
twin fractal
if it's private now. they'll lose it once they switch out of it
fading epoch
even if it's favorited?
deft girder
If you set something as public it's pretty much fair game
twin fractal
yep
fading epoch
sweet, that's all I need then.
still pretty frustrating how poorly i've seen the usage of scripts in VRC being managed.. they need to get on that.
twin fractal
be really careful with public avatars. people can clone without even being in the same room as you
all they need is a client and the avatar ID
fading epoch
yeah, the file isnt meant to be public. i'll probably just send my customer his avatar file early.
pale timber
duh duh dainment
odd palm
So I’ve made an account and I’ve got two of the game open
twin fractal
yin 