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#vrchat-general-2
primal star
vocal shard
vrchat team pls dont get us banned again D;
jovial pulsar
F
vocal shard
its working now
cedar tangle
F
glossy marlin
no
unique snow
yeah im stucka at the log in
torn pelican
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6822 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
F
floral zodiac
can vrchat buy host servers in the eu already ??? i got kicked out of my world out of nowhere and now im in infinite login mode :/ even restarting didnt change a thing
quasi ermine
It's fixed dudes
velvet quarry
Brief server issues, should hopefully be corrected.
glossy marlin
oh, now i got in
elfin cloak
yeey a black screen again
😦
floral zodiac
yea
unique snow
wow that was strange
floral zodiac
a long black screen and then infinite login bug
lethal summit
vrchat started working...also i got teleported my self to public server instead of default one
floral zodiac
didnt had it for 5 month
vocal shard
well i wont risk it >.>
lethal summit
kicked out from the world again...black screen
vocal shard
VRChat crashed again oof
" AfromanaToday at 10:34 PM
Brief server issues, should hopefully be corrected. "
F
lethal summit
alright got teleported my self to my default home this time
velvet quarry
Is the issue happening again?
plucky sapphire
Yes
vocal shard
apparently yes
plucky sapphire
Thanos is gatting everyone
vocal shard
lol
lethal summit
looks like works for me for now.
vocal shard
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6703 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
dropped by 1.2k users since i msged first time wow
i will give it a try xd hope it wont do it again
gloomy sequoia
Dang
vocal shard
hmm i could join the world at least ;o
plucky sapphire
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6773 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
hmm works from my side again ;o good luck !
terse maple
cleaned my vrchat cache and got get rid of the backscreen 😮 can play normaly
terse maple
still 9gb more space then xD
cunning tangle
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 7090 users in VRChat currently
kindred kestrel
vrchat is taking a really long time to load everything
oak flume
Work now?
cursive sparrow
Hi guys
vocal shard
hmm looks like some ppl still have that issue, almost half of the ppl from the world dc and cant come back cause they stuck in log in screen
tacit plank
After moving my HDD, all my Blender textures became white. How do I tell Blender the right file paths?
Seems they are only broken if I import the FBX files. The .Blend files work but the .fbx files are done for
rough pulsar
In blender just fix the paths in the image viewer. Press n and it's the Source in the Image section there.
tacit plank
I'm not seeing "Image" or "Source", just Transform,View,3D Cursor, display, Shading, Backgrond images (which is unchecked), Transform orientations, MMD Shading and then MMD SDEF Driver
rough pulsar
In blender's image editor
tacit plank
Oh
thin fiber
VRchat broken again?
tacit plank
UV/Image? It's just a single checkbox for Grease Pencil Layers
green bane
vrchat still* broken
tacit plank
It does that while loading the text, it's just a placeholder for testing
thin fiber
How come it works for others?
sick jungle
Anyone know how to fix when you don’t get invites? I’m still having this problem
vocal shard
does anyone here know how to have an animation play the moment your model loads in? anyone have a link to a video that could show me that?
ruby needle
basicalls the same way custom blinking / ear flicking would work
so a video about that should help you, tho it needs to be a unity 2017 version one, its different to the old unity setup
vocal shard
not sure how to do that tbh
but thanks anyways
because I have an animation set up for an intro and then it just fades out into nothing. I bet just having that thing I animation just always showing until it disappears on it's own would work
rustic berry
I believe you need an animation component on your avatar
pseudo basalt
Animation is deprecated, you need an animator
west bison
hello
bold spade
hello, ive been playing vrchat thru oculus for a couple days. now ive been playing it on steam and it totally sucks. how can i disconnect vrchat from steam so i can go back to playing it on oculus server/platform??
ruby needle
just launch it trough the oculus home app
bold spade
when i do that, it just brings up the steam login
ruby needle
if you have steam open, close it
bold spade
i even uninstalled it from steam but that still brought steam up when i launched it from oculus
i did
ruby needle
reinstalled on oculus?
bold spade
you're saying uninstall it on oculus too?
ruby needle
ye uninstall and reinstall
ruby needle
might aswell wanna run the steps of #vrchat-support for a full cleanup
bold spade
huh?
ruby needle
...still a interesting issue 
bold spade
lemme try your suggestion first
brb
hey, it says it will still remain on my pc and i can add it again anytime 😦
sigh
rain salmon
Anyone remember which avatar world has the netflix and chill avatars? 😃
urban jasper
No, but now I kinda wanna know myself.
teal lark
hi
west bison
hello
median belfry
Top top cachorro
junior gull
How well would a Raedon RX 580 Graphics Card work with VRChat and a vive headset?
sage willow
i have radeon rx 460 and its playable so you should be good
junior gull
Yeah, figured
Just finalizing my parts wishlist before I buy everything and start working on my new pc
placid zealot
Is vrchat okay now since people got kicked out some hours ago?
lyric forge
Is it me does sometime saving world favorite doesnt work at all
teal lark
anybody wanna help me make a disgaea avatar vworld
shy wing
привет я русский кто есть из русских
rough flax
!?!?!!
shy wing
да
midnight skiff
I see vr still has not fixed their trash invite system.
still lark
Works fine for me. :P
midnight skiff
friend told me he accepted my request for an invite, yet I dont have one
hushed harness
facepalm
vocal shard
is there a way i can report someone to a moderator as someone is using third party software
queen mango
queen mango
Make sure that your report explains everything regarding what you're complaining. That includes background, and explanation.
#moderation-reports should explain that process better
vocal shard
yep
eager sluice
anyone else having a issue where vr chat fades to black and kicks you out of the instance
queen mango
That may not be an issue with your connection. Most likely it was someone using a modified client to kick people out of the instance.
Does it have the "Connection Timed Out" message, @eager sluice?
eager sluice
@queen mango its been constantly doing it since last night
@queen mango it also doesn't have any message it just boots me back to vrc home
queen mango
Do you hang around high-pop public instances?
eager sluice
not really it did it on a 2 person instance
I was having internet issues yesterday but it seems to have fixed now but the only thing that isn't working is vr chat
queen mango
That might be a little complicated. Try sending a report about it to support@vrchat.com
queen mango
Don't forget it.
By the way, you should also post a canny about it at https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports
sly ferry
is there no place for self promotion here?
umbral reef
sly ferry
found it hehe ty @umbral reef
vocal shard
Yeboi
pastel galleon
So yesterday I visited a world created by a vrc team member that to my understanding it's gonna be an avatar world for quest users, there was even a portal for it in the quest home that labeled it as avatars for quest.
In the world 50% of the avatars exceed the limit, having 20+k polys and 6+ materials 🤔 🤔
vocal shard
so that means?
pastel galleon
That those avatars "made for the quest" maybe won't even display
Imagine giving the community recommendations and then not even caring about them 👏
vocal shard
awe wow..
ocean bramble
Big oof
viral pumice
Keep in mind there’s two versions of those avatars. One that displays for quest users and one that displays for pc users
You won’t necessarily see the quest version when on pc and vice versa.
umbral reef
@pastel galleon As Rdbond said there are PC and Quest versions of all avatars.
Unless you are on the quest you cant see the PC and if your on the PC you cant see the Quest.
Both avatar version can be on the same ID and just get shown to the right build. (so quest for quest, pc for pc). Its how the crossplay section of the game works.
And its not that you wont necessarily see it. You can not see the quest version at all because they are uploaded to an andriod build. Not a windows one
pastel galleon
would be useful and curious to have an option to display one or the other
umbral reef
The thing is it legit cant.
The quest runs on andriod and uses different 'math' then the PC one.
So unless you upload it on the PC build of the game it cant show.
vocal shard
sad to hear though, was really hoping good out of it.
umbral reef
Quest build is really just VRchat on its own
With fairly limited crossplay. Its the best that can be done with the limitations of a game where you can upload everything.
pastel galleon
I would say the quest is for people not interested in pc gaming and just want that version of vrc 🤷
that'll be your choice to invest on it or on another headset/pc
sonic verge
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 8895 users in VRChat currently
tepid valley
I wonder if VRChat is gonna make use of the full finger tracking capabilities of the Valve Index controllers (SteamVR Knuckles).
would be super useful for making gestures to people in the game, instead of being limited to what we have now.
vernal forge
Triggering gestures on every hand movement sounds like fun
glossy wraith
fingering people sounds like fun
rough pulsar
The system will need to be changed to accomodate them.
glossy wraith
pepega👀
rough pulsar
Mainly separation of overrides and finger control.
tepid valley
understandable, i'm hoping they will be able to make it work.
i already pre-ordered the Valve Index Controllers to replace my Vive Wands.
rough pulsar
Same, but full kit. Hope my EV3 controllers last until then.
tepid valley
or atleast in a limited way in the beginning if proven to be a difficult task to implement it.
will be buying/pre-ordering the Index Headset later on when they are available again.
languid beacon
Wither or not vrchat allows an option for individual finger control for index controllers is basically what will make me decide weather or not to spring for the index. For now I’m waiting to see what VRc does. It would be the only reason I get them.
young bay
does anyone know which world has drawing tablet ?
vocal shard
if they implement the finger articulation stuff i really hope its optional
i don't want any wonky overrides
rough pulsar
Well like I said, if they do they'd at least need to decouple hand pose from overrides, otherwise it'd be an unusable disaster.
languid beacon
It’s not really a disaster on touch controllers. It’s just that except you mask out the humanoid fingers and use the knuckles pose, but still detect the appropriate gesture like oculus does and the tweet shows they already have the detection down)
Just instead of showing the detected pose you display the kuckles pose, with the animation having the finger overrides masked out
Win-win
sterile glen
languid beacon
Ideally you’d have two checkboxes in settings. One to enable actual finger articulation and one to enable/disable custom hand emotes via hand pose
Everyone wins
rough pulsar
I'd say put overrides on a trackstrip click, keeps them out of the way so to activate them you have to go out of your way to activate them.
languid beacon
An option would be neat but I still want the ability to trigger them like oculus does
And if we only get one I prefer how oculus does it
vocal shard
is the video player broken again
nimble sierra
What would happen if vrchat was ported to Playstation and made cross compatible🤔
dire palm
the ps might explode
merry minnow
with more ram and a better cpu it might be worth it, but the ps4/pro have a fairly weak cpu.
nimble sierra
Fair enough
signal sequoia
There might not be custom avatars for the PS4 either
icy flax
oof
signal sequoia
Or if there are, it might need to be approved by the moderators first
icy flax
how do you guys feel about donkeys?
unkempt cliff
Is there any way to swap out the loading music with the old void-ish sound that played originally?
dusty idol
Hello. ^^
icy flax
tucannRBLX that was depressing
neat wyvern
Ecks dee
crude sphinx
Wtf xD
vague gate
Not sure if this fits here, but for scientific reasons I need an avatar of crippled Giorno on a wheelchair from JoJo's. I can provide look for the models etc. It would be great if someone would do it, because I myself can't use unity at all (if there is a different channel for this kind of stuff tell me and I'll repost it there;)
floral coral
So for people who play music, do any of you know a way set up your soundboard to work alongside a USB mic?
languid beacon
Audio mixing program like voicemeeter
minor bramble
Theres also some programs on github that can do it
you bind the sound etc then it will play through the mic if you have a i forget whats its called something like studio mix or something in widnows
floral coral
Cause I’ve got a blue snowball mic which is better than my older music studio mic
And I’ve also got this midi interface for my guitar, and I’d like to be able to use both
minor bramble
You could use something like virtual audio cable
and connect them
Probably the easiest way is virtual audio cable cause then you just make sure you computer can hear you snowball and guitar and the link the 2 together in the program adn the basically become one
floral coral
I’ve had some issues with their software and VRC before, people complaining I was buzzing a ton
minor bramble
im not sure if there is any other way unless you went the hardware route
Xlr micropone, xlr mixer and then the mixer will be able to take a output from midi
vocal shard
Can someone help me?
balmy zodiac
unpopular opinion
languid beacon
I’m not sure what you mean by launching without Steam. You mean with the Oculus Store version?
balmy zodiac
if vrchat is ported to phones it should be renamed to Metachat or something.
to show its not just for vr
imo
soft thunder
are there any seven deadly sins avatar worlds?
languid beacon
VR is largely the point of VRChat. Things like desktop can check it out but you’ll be handicapped and it’s not meant to be for it or support it well and not a focus. Just a bonus.
balmy zodiac
I use a rift lmao
languid beacon
I don’t see how that would change anything
balmy zodiac
and im getting a quest in 2 weeks
languid beacon
Again I don’t see that changing anything. I know nothing about this IP grabbing I’m just saying launching it with or without Steam for sure has no effect one way or the other.
balmy zodiac
why is 10 people the limit for quest worlds?
games like rec room and such can push it past 10
languid beacon
There is no limit, it’s just a suggestion
narrow mountain
Is there a better way to get my name changed besides struggling to get an email back from support?
torn nebula
@balmy zodiac full IK is expensive to compute. And on games with higher concurrent player counts, expect that they will be using avatars that are even simpler than the recommended guidelines for vrchat
@narrow mountain You can change your name once every 3 months from the website
narrow mountain
@torn nebula I accidentally changed it a few weeks ago, now I can't change it back
So now I'm just waiting to get a reply to my emails all the time and I wanted to know if there was a better way to go about changing the name.
torn nebula
unfortunately if you already changed it you have to either wait 90 days or wait for support
queen mango
So far, you cannot change your name in-game. Only in the website
narrow mountain
I guess I'll just keep waiting for a reply then 🤷
umbral reef
Depending how you wrote it and when it takes up for ~2 days at worse normally for any type of first reply.
narrow mountain
@umbral reef Is there a time you would recommend for a quick reply?
umbral reef
Not really
They changed up how they do support emails (for the better imo as you get replies way faster then when i emailed them loads). But havent heard of a time where they do not at all look at them or when they just look at them so 🤷
Also highly doubt there is a time thats 'best'.
narrow mountain
Interesting, thanks for the info
soft thunder
does anybody know if there are The Seven Deadly Sins Avatar worlds?
urban jasper
I haven't seen any devoted specifically to that show, but I've seen a couple worlds that have some avatars from there. IIRC Novacorp has a couple but I'm not 100% sure
soft thunder
alright
thanks also if you're into anime I suggest watching the seven deadly sins on netflix
i cannot find any game except for novacorp and that is all also i couldn't find any of the avatars weird
any more help?
@urban jasper can we dm about it?
jovial pulsar
Is there an issue with the way VRC processes microphones? It seems the HyperX Cloud 2 has issues for a lot of my friends in the sense that it's super quiet in VRChat only.
slate verge
usually when that happens is either its the microphone/headsets fault or the windows volume mixer
covert linden
@jovial pulsar tell them ti turn the mic level up in vrchat settings
vocal shard
Is there any way to be 100% safe from people who break the game and steal private avatars?
Ping me.
desert pewter
is it just me or is it scary to play vrchat alone?
crude cradle
why?
vocal shard
Okay then.
covert linden
@vocal shard No there isnt not if they use a client
vocal shard
But the next question is, are they able to steal an avatar from across worlds?
e.g. Copying your avatar, even though you're in a private world, and doing whatever they want with it. Or do they need to be in the same world?
@vocal shard They need to be in the same world to be able to click on you and take it
I heard that they need to 'touch' you to steal it.
slate verge
its more of clicking on the ui to clone it.
vocal shard
They need to be able to click on you to bring up the client ui
Ah. So then it'll have to be a case of 'private world' avatars and 'public traveling' avatars then, to be safe from the criminals.
Or just don't stay in worlds with client users
You don't know if the worlds contain client users.
slate verge
your model can still be public and have the clone feature off so others cannot steal it
vocal shard
You can actually
How so?
If anyone is flying or just seems to act like one
But then it could already be too late.
Well yeah when you join on a world with someone who has a client all avatars get their avatar id automatically saved in a txt file
Exactly.
That's just an avatar id though
Regardless, by the time you find a client user, seeing portals that "steal your ip" or other weird thing on VRchat, it could already be too late and things could be stolen.
You can't steal an ip through a portal
You can however take an ip when someone joins a world automatically with an ip logger which saves it in a txt file with a client
I'm not 100% sure about it, I was just told they do, when a bunch of portals were being placed randomly with massive rainbow text as the title that took you to nowhere.
Just a portal can't do anything to you just click go home if you walk into one
Alright, just wanted to make sure of things.
Best advice is always use a vpn and a good one at that
Best bet is to go out and make good friends, then play with those you trust with your avatars.
Use a vpn you'll never regret it
velvet quarry
LUA is a programming language that GMod decided to use, and wasn't made for it.
Udon being what I assume will be a visual based scripting language probably won't be as potentially complex, but I don't have any confirmed info on this.
errant vault
Worse comes to worse, make your scripted world outside vrchat
You'll just lose the ability to play with your pals
upper fox
the fact that this is coming to a major social platorm, is what makes it exciting
I want to see vrchat evolve
I will be really surprised if it allows for basic oop
errant vault
Interactive AI is something you'll need if you're tired with randoms and none of your friends are online.
upper fox
ever play gmod zombies? the bot on that gamemode is a pretty good player
errant vault
No, but it's more fun to make your own AI if a built-in one doesn't suit your needs.
slate verge
wow its owlboy
vocal shard
.. oh
wooden tree
omg hi guys
modest halo
If someone sends a message notification in vrchat is that a modified client 🤔 or is there a new way
vocal shard
Hoi
cold talon
@modest halo nope, it's just an api endpoint that is supported by vrc, so it's fine 👌
timid gust
Hola looking for peeps HMU
chrome badger
slate verge
👋 hello~
cobalt plank
Hello everyone
meager solstice
Hi
cobalt plank
How are you Wigma?
serene anvil
It is I, the one, the only, VEE8 JUICE
vernal forge
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6164 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
Is there any way to contact vrchat mods, im banned unfairly/false ban
without emailing
tacit plank
Why "without emailing"?
vocal shard
takes too long for response
vernal forge
Have you tried it yet tho
vocal shard
Yea, but can't message them here
vernal forge
I mean email part not message
vocal shard
yeah i did
rigid crescent
Just gotta keep waiting
vernal forge
Ah alright
vocal shard
Alright
trim thicket
Does anyone know a good world that has avatars you can write with at all?
I want to get on VRC but I need to be mute for a little while.
vocal shard
check subcoms @trim thicket
vernal forge
You can search asia on world. I think one of the search result has avatar world with pen and fb
trim thicket
Thank you
cosmic sail
is it normal that vrchat keeps logging me off ?
bronze eagle
Is kinnect doesn't work in vrc right now?
I heard that Touchpad dodoe't work when i use kinnect driver
And is there anyone use kinnect for full tracking? I want to know the experience
tribal orbit
From my friends experience they said that if you are looking for a cheap option it will work. However you are limited to facing one direction and it is half assed most of the time
queen mango
@bronze eagle You could ask that question in #full-body-tracking
Maybe you'll find more consistent answers there
topaz topaz
I didn't know where to ask this, so I'll try here:
I have a mic from my earphones that works and is detected fine on Discord and other places, but not on VRChat. Is it possible to change the mic that the game can detect the voice from? (been a real hassle as people couldn't hear me)
tiny ginkgo
Check that it is set as the default microphone in windows settings
That's the one VRChat picks up.. Any mic should work
topaz topaz
I see. Any way to access said settings?
tiny ginkgo
right click your volume thing in the lower right corner and click "sound settings"
There you can change your "Input"
topaz topaz
Thanks.
languid beacon
Don’t like. Most websites ever know your IP?
How else would they return data to you
tiny ginkgo
Yes
vocal shard
Moderation team is really incompetent, people use bots to mass report a player in different language or english without any evidence. And then they just ban the account, i know alot of people do this.
languid beacon
I just don’t see the big deal
tiny ginkgo
Nah I feel the same Adeon - but there's a lot of fearmongering going on in VRC unfortunately
languid beacon
You really shouldn’t @ the devs @vocal shard
covert linden
MoDs aRe iNcoMpEtEnT
Also them:
pings the staff which is in the rules not too
Then you format a proper email and try to appeal like a civilized person, being angry and calling them incompetent will make them realize hm maybe I should keep the ban
languid beacon
I mean read the #rules they say you’ll get kicked I mean if you are ok with that I guess that’s fine
vocal shard
ah ok
covert linden
vocal shard
My friend got banned because alot of people decided to mass report him from different emails, and they wrote in Russian. And he still got banned for no reason, just shows that the moderation team sucks. They didnt even have evidence
covert linden
As far as im aware they read all evidence and take it all seriously. Usually they desire actual fitting evidence.
languid beacon
How does he know he was mass reported
covert linden
How long is the ban?
vocal shard
until 2023, and because i logged 1x on my friends alt. They decided to ban my account too, when i didnt do anything
covert linden
Because that counts as ban evasion
languid beacon
How does he know he was mass reported tho
vocal shard
The reason says: Illigal activities, they banned all my accounts because i joined my friends alt. So my ip was logged into his alt, and all his accounts got banned. Including me, so i got unfairly banned for no reason
languid beacon
It sounds like you don’t know how he knows he was mass reported tho
vocal shard
He told me i messaged him on facebook
covert linden
ok but how does he know he was
languid beacon
Yeah but how did he know tho
covert linden
Thats ban evasion. IT saw that you logged into the banned account then one that wasnt banned. Thats not unfairly banned at all, that's fair. Ban evasion is forbidden
he likely doesnt want to admit that he was doing bad stuff in vrchat
vocal shard
Rea its not ban evasion, because im not him. I basically logged into his alt like 2months ago
and now all of sudden all my accounts banned
languid beacon
This is so obvious lol
vocal shard
Im not the owner/guy who got banned
covert linden
Its ban evasion because you logged into the account. They cant tell who owns it and who doesnt.
Your fault for logging into a banned account, That's how it prevents exploitation so there was no mistake there
vocal shard
Not really my fault and his account wasnt banned back then
it was recently banned
he is a trusted user
covert linden
Its the algorithm. it's meant to ban anyones ip who accessed that account
You can contact them and appeal your ban, stating the issue and how you arent them, so the ban evasion is false etc.
vocal shard
Yeah i already did, even send the vidence of him giving me the pw and username of his alt
but im waiting like 10 hours no response
covert linden
Can be up to 48, best to be patient
vocal shard
I feel like they won't unban me and look into my case fairly... I feel like i got in jail even though i didnt do anything
covert linden
Your friend likely wont be unbanned but your case has a chance of being appealed, since its ban evasion but not exactly evasion, but I cant give guarntees since im just a me
final vale
Is hiding your nametag something that can get you banned ?
rigid crescent
Not as far as I know
vocal shard
Guys is there any way to contact mod team besides discord, my main account got banned because i logged into my friends alt where he got ban and his main accoutn got banned?
rigid crescent
Why do you keep asking when you know the answer
vocal shard
i dont know
vocal shard
alright
hollow breach
I’m pretty sure blocking ur name is bannable actually
rigid crescent
You got daisy chain banned. You're not actually supposed to log into friends accounts
Making it invisible via shader shouldn't be
still lark
anyone else's account*
rigid crescent
^
still lark
it's only if you're hiding it for a malicious reason.
hollow breach
Like u can make ur avatar invisible but I thought ur not allowed to do that with ur name
That doesn’t really make sense if it’s just for a reason
It should be either it’s allowed or not allowed
rigid crescent
It doesn't say anything about it in the rules or TOS.
Just pretending to be mod by faking it
hollow breach
U read the TOS?
covert linden
we all are suppose to read the TOS
rigid crescent
Skimmed it before for the same question. There's not much in it relevant. You'd wanna check community guidelines for actual rules
Most of the TOS is legal and shit snout modifying game files.
The community guidelines are a better place to find "rules"
tiny ginkgo
just don't abuse anything and you should be fine.. being invisible to listen in on people's conversations is simply bad behaviour, but doing it to do some friendly spooks is good.. it's about context
covert linden
suppose to is the key word there
hollow breach
Gotta stay on the safe side : )
vocal shard
Modifying you nameplate in anyway is technically against the rules. I don't know if it was meant to apply to making it invisible, but it seems more like a blanket rule to stop impersonation
covert linden
We are suppose to read the TOS but im guilty of also not because its a lot of words.. ;-;
hollow breach
I’m pretty sure we all know we’re suppose to reas the TOS
vocal shard
Why the heck is it for some players possible to crash your game? I mean, I'm playing for 3 weeks now and some random players can crash my game??
vocal shard
Play with some safety setting enabled. Like disable animations
hollow breach
We’ll get that son of a gun that crashed u
hollow breach
It was Elire, which hunt them
vocal shard
@queen mango I won't.
I just don't understand it
hollow breach
It’s the internet, what do u expect?
queen mango
Rules are rules.
hollow breach
Yes
queen mango
We don't live in the medieval times, anymore
vocal shard
Well, yes, it's the internet. But srsly.
I just googled a bit and it seems like there are many other players facing the same problem
queen mango
Ehem. If it still was then those kinds of stuff would be commonplace, but they're not
hollow breach
@vocal shard it’s weird to ask why or u don’t understand, vrchat is a game, like any other game, it has its problems
Csgo, there are hackers
Pretty much every game people break the rules
tiny ginkgo
it's because you can upload your own content @vocal shard and of course assholes abuse that because they can't have fun without making others miserable.. It's simply abuse, and to remove it entirely would probably remove most of the features that make VRC fun because of the custom content
vocal shard
It's likely there's going to be crashing problems for a long time. It's due to us being able to upload almost anything we want. They could get rid of that completely, but that would kill the game since that's the major draw.
That's not to say nothing has been done. There have been many crashing methods completely taken out of the game, but unfortunately there's always new ones discovered. It's a never ending cycle
I'm typing on mobile, so it's slow
vocal shard
Most work is handled through the computer. I don't text much, yeah
covert linden
i text a ton but when I do I have more typos than skin cells
hollow breach
Yeet
queen mango
I always tend to commute, hence on the move. It's why I'm always on the phone
Most of the time
Gah.. irregular sentence composition. I may need better linguistics next time.
queen mango
Enhance your cognition.
hollow breach
stap!!!!
tiny ginkgo
smh
hollow breach
Now I gotta search up 4 words ;;
halcyon citrus
using big words makes me sound more photosynthesis
queen mango
Shall I acquire more? 
hollow breach
D :
vocal shard
You will break him
tiny ginkgo
please don't Elire
hollow breach
I’m an adult and I don’t understand grown up words ;;
vocal shard
Now you need to break him
tiny ginkgo
You need to put Elire's sentences through a reverse thesaurus and they make sense again, don't worry
hollow breach
Plz no, I’m a virgin to the dictionary
tiny ginkgo
but why
boreal peak
guys are vive trackers worth it
tiny ginkgo
Do you mean full body tracking?
boreal peak
yes
tiny ginkgo
From what I have heard it's quite a hassle to set up your avatar and the stuff, but in general it should be a lot of fun
No personal experience, but those I know who have it love it
hollow breach
Yes very fun, you can get everyone to look at you laying down on ur bed being the lazy butt u are
tiny ginkgo
a lot of fbt users do have beds in their playspace for some reason
halcyon citrus
desk might just happen to be pointed at their bed, assuming their room is big enough. My beds in my playspace d:
tiny ginkgo
i was going to say..
vocal shard
Yes yes
tiny ginkgo
it's because i have my playspace in my living room
vocal shard
I'll lay on floor lol
hollow breach
That’s what I do : 3
tiny ginkgo
and being a rift user my living room is way too large to be a full playspace.. should have gotten vive
next time i'll get a solution that's more roomscale friendly
hollow breach
Get 3 trackers
tiny ginkgo
i have that
tiny ginkgo
but they stop working after like 3-4 meters
so my living room is eh 5x8 or something
hollow breach
Still works in 360!
vocal shard
oof.#
tiny ginkgo
but the playspace is 3x3 because bad tracking
covert linden
I want roomscale so I kinda wish I got the rift s not the rift riop
vocal shard
i don't have vr so i just use pc
hollow breach
We all use PC
vocal shard
I really wish rift s supported full body tracking
hollow breach
We just have an expensive DLC
vocal shard
oh oof
tiny ginkgo
yeah me too, i regret getting the rift.. I didn't consider that it could only make "small" playspaces.. I want to lie in my couch
well i still love it but..
covert linden
I cant exactly put like trackers on my walls
hollow breach
U can put it on the ceiling
tiny ginkgo
i put mine in the ceiling, but it doesn't matter.. if I put them further apart they simply stop tracking properly, and my hands start teleporting
so 3x3 it is
covert linden
turns out the rift s is 600$ in cad and I cant afford that so guess who cant have roomscale ;-;
covert linden
Yep, its more pricy than my rift was
hollow breach
Canada is expensive ;;
covert linden
I live in canada, my currency opposed to USD is Terrible
canada is terrible currency wise I hate heere
tiny ginkgo
You mean the Vive right?
vocal shard
Rift S
covert linden
Im in ontario too
halcyon citrus
i agree, canada is brutal for currency lol
covert linden
I'd trade someone a rift (brand new never used only opened for a rift S in a heartbeat
but nobody would do that appearntly xD
signal sequoia
I doubt many people would want to trade new tech for older tech lol
covert linden
the oculus rift was supposed to be better than the S and in some peoples opinion it is
azure plinth
I've heard rift S is good
covert linden
Since the rift S is wmr, and the oculus rift can do FBT,
azure plinth
I still need to see Oculus Quest run VRChat
covert linden
Also again mines brand new so its not really older tech in a sense
azure plinth
So curious bout that
covert linden
same
covert linden
can it though has that been confirmed?
covert linden
they reccomend like 10k and they havent given out the limit as far as I remember
vocal shard
Ive heard low as 5k before
azure plinth
But if quest can run vrchat well then I'm sold
vocal shard
5k was the recommendation, but I don't think that's the limit
azure plinth
I currently use my rift on my dated pc, not the best experience when crashing and or when my pc locks up haha
vocal shard
I really don't wanna buy any vr headset until it releases
covert linden
I wish the oculus site had an exchange option xD thats so extra but 600$ for roomscale is a lo
vocal shard
I needdssss moree evidenceeee
azure plinth
I'm also curious about the Valve Index
vocal shard
I sold my Rift CV1 and will probably get the rift S
azure plinth
Those new LCDs looking sick
covert linden
Id get the rift S if it wasnt 600$, maybe if the price went down to.. like 390..
vocal shard
Index is nice, but so expensive for my budget
Rift S is only good because it has like 20-30% better resolution and doesnt need the 2 sensors, money wise i would say it's not a worth upgrade
Exactly
covert linden
Its worth it for me because roomsclae.
azure plinth
Yeah its pretty expensive unless you already own a vive
covert linden
Roomscale is a biiiig thing for me
azure plinth
You can just buy the controllers and headset
covert linden
Jamie Hows the tracking on the rift S do you know?
azure plinth
Since it works with the lighthouses
vocal shard
But I want full body so Im hesitant ):
covert linden
is it better than my acer wmr? (Which works so much better with lights on now)
vocal shard
Reviewers are saying Rift S tracking is on par with 3 sensor external settup
And it's definitely better than my wmr, which even that I used over my rift
covert linden
ive seen one that was like cant put your hands behind your head well, which is reasonable and I also dont do that much but other than that it seemed pretty good
tiny ginkgo
i need my hands behind my head for the cute poses......
vocal shard
Ive seen an video of a woman putting her hands behind her back withh rift s
covert linden
I love the wmr for the roomscale, so much, Like getting to walk and crouch and not need sensors makes me happy
tiny ginkgo
guilty
vocal shard
And it didn't lose tracking
covert linden
ive seen one where they got stuck
languid beacon
I feel like Rift S will be great for everything except social VR. There are just poses you can’t do on a Rift S. Mainly hands behind or two the sides
vocal shard
Yeah, same as wmr. You need some movement so the IMU in the controllers can track behind your head.
azure plinth
I will probably be saving up for new pc build and get full body soon after
languid beacon
Don’t think Rift S users can even t pose 😛
vocal shard
Well nvm
Not worth to upgrade to rift S, oculus rift full body suit will be released in 2020
they released rift s as a small upgrade to get money
Reallt?????
tiny ginkgo
Imagine the crashers punching you in your full body suit, oof
azure plinth
Oculus rift coming out with a full body suit?
vocal shard
Adeon, I can T pose with wmr. Or pose with my hands behind my head.
Rift S also has side cameras that cover most of the side and a bit behind
It's confirmed now?
covert linden
It is worth it and I doubt theyre makign that full body suit.
vocal shard
I dont wanna wear a suit though lol...
queen mango
Adeon, I think everyone missed your joke.
azure plinth
Ngl I think the suit could be better then the bulky trackers
covert linden
I dont think its confirmed as they are now trying to make more user friendly headsets and leave the like top of the line market.
vocal shard
@covert linden i have talked to a dev of oculus rift, he said they expect full body suit release in late 2020, it will be tracked by a single large sensor like a kinect
So I'm stick with getting a vive then ? Lol..
covert linden
Do you have proof?
vocal shard
Facebook already shows a couple weeks ago they are making a camera based full body tracking system that doesn't use any trackers
covert linden
I wish the oculus S was actually still known as a downgraded rift
because then someone would definately trade meee
vocal shard
covert linden
I dont wanna pay 600$ so I hope the cost goes down soon like it did with the rift
umbral reef
From the most modern tracking tech with one camera can be done but it will be FAR from cheap.
azure plinth
Expecting oculus rift prices to increase since they're out of production
covert linden
the prices have rose a rift is like 700-1000$ now new which you can barely get as new
azure plinth
Holy
languid beacon
Cameras can’t track hands far off behind you or to the side
azure plinth
That is expensive!
languid beacon
Not if your shoulder is in the way
covert linden
I have wmr and It tracks me putting them even behind me half the time,
How big is your shoulder?
queen mango
I was gonna ask that
vocal shard
And then beyond the camera range, the IMU takes over. that's how even wmr can play Echo arena despite no possible way for the cameras to see behind you
umbral reef
@languid beacon It doesnt need prefect tracking anymore though funny enough.
There are loads of AI systems that can do really good educated guesses. But then im talking about more high end the things like the leap motion
covert linden
if I swing my hands behind me, they follow perfectly then swing back up
I can also tpose
tiny ginkgo
isn't the leap motion like 70 usd
covert linden
my only issues have been my hands full up above my head which im pretty sure the rift S can handle
but not 100%
languid beacon
I won’t lie oculus is probably going to be more successful than valve for gen 2 just becasue affordable vr is more important RN
umbral reef
100 euro in the netherlands atleast
But thats fairly advanced and expensive tech. But it aint the best of the best anymore
covert linden
affordable
Also oculus S
600 CAD
umbral reef
Production price is leaps lower so they can push the cost hardcore down Rea.
covert linden
Thats awesome I hope they do soon
Soon but realistically ayear or two because it wont go down fast ;-;
vocal shard
I've been watching the subreddits. Rift S is now one of the most recommended headsets. For new people, but also many Rift owners and even Vive owners telling people to get the Rift S and saying they'll upgrade to it for the Resolution
umbral reef
Dont wait for that soon as knowing facebook that soon is for sure not until Christmas
azure plinth
My friend was supposed to get a rift for his birthday but the prices jolted up last minute
umbral reef
And even that close. I highly doubt it will be anything cheaper by then
azure plinth
It was the biggest no u ever
covert linden
I just really want roomscale, and like the rift S looks awesome so people prefer it over the rift which is good iggggg
Im giivng my cousin the wmr, Id give her the oculus but I dont wanna trouble her with sensors
umbral reef
Imo its not a bad headset because its bad. Its bad because of the price it is RN.
azure plinth
Most of the headsets have their pros and cons
umbral reef
The fucking room tracking though. That shield system is gasm worthy if they will ever release the API for that or something.
covert linden
Roomscale is essential for someone like me with severe adhd who loves to run and bounce around, who now will be limited to what I can do
I have it with my wmr and I love it so much until I bonk my head off the door
languid beacon
Rift S is a fine replacement for Rift as long as you don’t care about putting your hands behind your back. And they may enable external constellation tracking in the future. It would only need a software update
covert linden
you can put your hand behind your back
Just you cant have full behind your back freedom, but you can swing your arms behind you and such
azure plinth
I plan on getting full body but the only issue is the room I have to move around
languid beacon
I have seen the touch controllers operating in lost tracking mode it is very lossy and obvious
azure plinth
There is a wall to my left and a bed to my right
covert linden
Yeah its not the best but worth it for roomscale
vocal shard
Touch controllers weren't designed for that system. The IMU in the new touch, and even wmr is more accurate
Rift S isnt a worth upgrade, only if you're a new user that wants to buy oculus. In late 2020 full body suit will be released
tiny ginkgo
so the Rift S supports no cameras and full roomscale?
covert linden
I dont have a room in which I can put my trackers in a convenient place, I also dont want to buy extendors AND adhesive
no cameras? u mean trackers
tiny ginkgo
yeah
covert linden
then yes
tiny ginkgo
just that is a huuuge quality of life upgrade
covert linden
It hasa cameras built in, but that allows you to have roomscale
azure plinth
If they announce the suit, I will wait for that instead of dropping $1000 on vive gear
covert linden
no lighthouses
tiny ginkgo
the usb cables and trackers and stuff are for me the absolute worst part about vr
languid beacon
The. Cameras come with stands they are very discrete you don’t need tape or any kind of adhesive
vocal shard
But rift s not have full body which i want lol
covert linden
You do for roomscale
vocal shard
@azure plinth Yeah better wait for the suit, dont get rift S
Less USB load for the Rift S too
covert linden
I dont have nice shelves on either end for me, Id need one on one side and one on the other, which the cables arent long enough before. And theyre best on the wall ont the floor, so id need to find some wall to put them on thus adhesives.
vocal shard
@azure plinth According to a dev that i spoke in 2018, they worked on an oculus suit and it will be tracked by 1 large sensor like a kinect .
azure plinth
So many exciting things to look forward to, new vr tech, next manned moon landing, sending people to mars.
languid beacon
I am considering Index just to get my full body all in the same universe. I have vive trackers. Would love to no longer need to deal with my two universes drifting apart
covert linden
'A kinect' yikes.
umbral reef
USB load is more a legacy thing though if we are honest about it.
Or well. The normal oculus needed a dumb amount of 3.0 ports (or 2.0 even).
But if you look at the rift it just needs one 3.0 and if you cant handle that big odds your pc is far from VR ready.
My 4 year old (bought, build is even older) laptop has 2 3.0 fully capable even.
languid beacon
My motherboard has more USB ports than my power supply can handle 👌
azure plinth
I didn't have enough usb ports so I bought some 2.0-3.0 extenders
umbral reef
How many do you use in total.
azure plinth
Needed that extra hdmi port too so I got a dvi to hdmi
covert linden
I have to get a dvi to hdmi because I got the EVGT brand of 1660ti
umbral reef
HDMI port is indeed often a problem.
azure plinth
I have like 5 usb ports occupied for my rift
azure plinth
The rest is for my kb and mouse. Etc.
covert linden
i havent used my rift so I cant recall
vocal shard
I'm probably going to save for a new GPU before changing headsets
azure plinth
I need to upgrade my cpu and gpu
umbral reef
5? What.. How?
languid beacon
4 for oculus +!3 cameras and 3 for vive trackers, keyboard and mouse are also usb and a standard usb headphones and a gamepad. So 11 total USB ports used
azure plinth
Vrchat is using so much more cpu load now
umbral reef
Ow well then yea
tiny ginkgo
The normal Oculus with that extra tracker takes 4 USB ports
umbral reef
I keep forgetting you can have 3 trackers all with usb needs for the oculus
tiny ginkgo
Which is insanse
umbral reef
God dam there tracking is done so unlogicaly i really get why they instantly jumped ship to insideout
tiny ginkgo
I am considering selling it and getting the S
That wire- and trackingfree system would be a blessing for me
covert linden
same Nass, I just dont have that extra oney since the S is so pricy
tiny ginkgo
well almost wirefree
languid beacon
My pc can’t boot with all the USB devices draining power I have to unplug them all@in order to cold boot
covert linden
Jamie how are the S controllers?
azure plinth
I know for sure that in the future, headsets will use less wires as vr tech evolves
vocal shard
Do we report client users?
languid beacon
I wouldn’t. Most of us use a client
tiny ginkgo
wait @languid beacon how does that work? I am having booting issues as well and i can only boot once out of like 5 tries
languid beacon
😎
azure plinth
@vocal shard nah unless they doing something really bad
vocal shard
S controllers are just like the old touch, but it has some texture to grip better, and the ring is flipped
Stealing avatars isn't bad enough?
languid beacon
You have an underpowered power supply @tiny ginkgo does your power keep cycling on boot
vocal shard
So at the end of the day which vr should I get guys? 😭 I really do want full body but Rift s seems like really nice
Which is cheaper
umbral reef
You do realize they have an anti cheat right?
But unless its one of those program that keeps scanning files (and even then, look at all the games with cheater problems with big bloatware like that)... Its not the solution.
azure plinth
In many games I play when the anticheat crashes, the game doesn't even work
vocal shard
Roft S 400 vive 500 is only a hundred more
covert linden
ok good to know
vocal shard
Most people and VR veterans on the different subreddits are recommending the Rift S. Especially if you're new to VR
azure plinth
Ah never knew
covert linden
I want the rift S so bad ;-;
covert linden
jamie how much do you think I could in theory sell the rift for?
umbral reef
Well jamie there aint anything else 'middle class' beside some WMR but they all have big tradeoffs from what i know.
vocal shard
If you want full body and to be part of the steamvr upgrade path, Vive might be better for you then
languid beacon
Vive is the lowest resolution headset no one should buy one. Unless you meant Index. But Index is not 500
fading flower
isnt there a message for being kicked?
vocal shard
Okay :D
Vive is NOT bad res
Yeah, that's true about the Vive resolution. Lowest on the market
tiny ginkgo
@languid beacon no what happens is that my screen simply doesn't find the GPU (or mobo graphics as well, so gpu is fine)
umbral reef
@fading flower How exactly do you mean? Ingame or this discord?
languid beacon
Rift S is higher res than Vive. By a lot
fading flower
ingame
tiny ginkgo
Black screen. I keep having to reboot and suddenly it sort of "connects" and all is good
vocal shard
I cant tell no difference in either vr headset Ive seem people in gameplay and everything its not difference. Maybe in dex of course duh
I couldn't go back. Even Rift I didn't like after using higher resolution headsets
languid beacon
Vive is currently the lowest resolution headset currently being sold
umbral reef
There should be a popup then yes if the room host (or by votekick) boots you.
covert linden
thisis making me saad
vocal shard
It's making me stress Rea lol
What do you mean you can't tell the difference?
I have until 1 month to decide
covert linden
ima sell my rift for like 450 probably and go for the S if I have the spare money
if not ill save up and playsome good ol desktop mode
vocal shard
I mean in like graphics or res i really see no difference
You've tried it?
No, but I've seen many gameplay with people who play with Vive or Rift. I mean how high graphics do I need to enjoy vrchat? ):
Isn't vive the only headset allowing full body tracking?
umbral reef
Pretty much
vocal shard
I dont really care for much graphics anyway
umbral reef
Unless you count gimmicks as proper products
covert linden
gameplay you wouldnt notice watching the graphics.
azure plinth
The gameplay looks the same since its recorded 1920x1080
covert linden
The res is the screen you look into when its on your head
vocal shard
The graphics you see through recording isn't what it looks like in the headset.
The actual screen, you see the pixels
My friend has an vive and doesn't see any problem with the res and everything
So the rift sounds like you need a powerful gpu to run
covert linden
Yes
meaning you can get a screendoor affect, I dont get any issues because ive got slight vision problems, and so it meshes together well for me
vocal shard
Vive may be low graphics, but it allows more immersion with full body, as well as requiring less of a powerful pc.
You get used to it. I had no problem with the Oculus developer kit back in the day, but now it's like watching YouTube on 240p
covert linden
Wmr is best for a less powerful pc
Wmr can run on integrated graphics and really low specs, though its not reccomended too
I mean I run it through integrated so :P
vocal shard
That's for like laptops that arnt built for gaming
covert linden
No its not
My laptop is a 'vr ready' gaming laptop. The only vr it can run due to optimus is the Wmr
THe wmr isnt only for laptops, its for all systems, It just CAN run on lower ones.
vocal shard
Optimus?
covert linden
Its something many laptops have, it basically means the laptop cant run vr due to the hdmi being connected to it and the cpu
covert linden
I got the wmr because I tried the oculus and it wouldnt run on my system due to the hdmi issue,
but I love the wmr because it has lighthouse-less roomscale
covert linden
yep
vocal shard
Well
It's a gift for me Im not buying it. But I have 1 month to decide on what I want 😭
Don't you wanna kick people in the face virtually?
sweet nebula
"I'm gonna sell my Rift for 450"
In what currency? Not USD, right?
covert linden
CAD
sweet nebula
Ohh, okay
vocal shard
Lmaooo yes I do. And I can always upgrade myself if I decide to. I can just give away the vr I have and upgrade to a better
covert linden
thats 334 USD
sweet nebula
I see 'em for around $220 max on eBay. I have one with three sensors I'm preparing to sell as well to save up towards an Index.
220 USD, that is
covert linden
Mines also never before used
sweet nebula
Oh, nevermind. Yeah that does make a difference I suppose
covert linden
so it doesnt have face sweat or anything
languid beacon
Not sure what happened with vrchat. Alone on VRCHome as an excellent avatar I only get 33 fps. Used to get 90
covert linden
only full body if you want full body.
its not worth it if you arent gonna use your legs much
sweet nebula
Index looks like my best bet at this point. I've been religiously following Pimax for over a year, but its just plagued with so many issues, and doesn't even include a rigid headstrap at its $699 entry level price point
languid beacon
I love fullbody In vrc
vocal shard
I will definately use my legs alot I'm an anxious person lol
covert linden
Yeaah index is super good I think
languid beacon
I don’t even dance or anything it’s just good for body language
vocal shard
I'm not spending thousands or nearly my soul for an VR set man
sweet nebula
Mmm, body language food
vocal shard
So spend only 1k eli
Hello
Walk around in circles
Index is nice but I think it's for advanced players
sweet nebula
The VR headset itself is only $499. It's the Index controllers and base stations that are obscenely priced.
languid beacon
I already have vive base stations and trackers. So Index would only be 750 for me, and I can sell Rift to make some of that up
sweet nebula
Someone, somewhere at Valve still thinks (incredibly) that a single base station, even with cheaper manufacture, is worth even more than a v1. Like, $150 USD per base station. They're crazy
covert linden
all new tech ends up overpriced does it not like at the start
the rift s is 600 $ cad
languid beacon
Basic vive headset is still 499? Valve Index is also 499 get that instead
sweet nebula
Basic Vive headset includes base stations at that price, though, is the thing
$499 is headset only for the Index
vocal shard
Yeah.
sweet nebula
And controllers. Like, the whole package. Was kinda hoping that Valve would curbstomp HTC with the Index, but the price disparity is such that it isn't necessarily obsolete, sadly.
vocal shard
Isn't full body for vive around 300?
languid beacon
But they are 1.0 stations which are already outdated tech
sweet nebula
Yeah. Three trackers, $100 USD a pop.
sweet nebula
1.0 stations function almost identically to 2.0 stations; and given their utility (tracking both v1 and v2 accessories vs just v2), one could even argue that they are, in some ways, superior. If not, it balances out at the very least, I'd think
vocal shard
What about the v2 controllers
serene anvil
Yay I don't exist anymore
languid beacon
Standard vive just feels like such a bad deal right now. It’s the Lowest resolution headset available at the moment, and the base stations are already outdated
rough pulsar
Except the v1 lighthouses aren't outdated.
serene anvil
XD, I am not here u cannot see me
languid beacon
And it’s comes with vive wands which are objectively hands down the worst vr controller
vocal shard
Well what if you only had 1k USAD to spend?
sweet nebula
It's a bad setup at this point, but with the pricing of the Index perhiperals, I'm inclined to believe that the Vive itself is priced appropriately, taking what is likely to be a small fraction of its $500 price point. Some will still turn to it, given its half the cost of an Index full set.
languid beacon
AND it’s made by HTC which is objectively the worst vr company to deal with
sweet nebula
I can see a situation where people end up mix-and-matching with used gear, though, buying up Vive headsets on the cheap from eBay and maybe subbing in the Index controllers.
rough pulsar
Stop stating opinion as objective fact.
idle nova
If you can get a Vive set used in good condition it might be a good value at around $300
languid beacon
Does anyone here disagree with the HTC statement I’m curious to converse with you
vocal shard
What if you only had 1k USAD to spend? What would you buy out of all the vr stuff.
idle nova
Being that you can use the base stations to upgrade
sweet nebula
HTC is a terrible company to deal with in terms of support, at least from what I've heard. Though admittedly, I have no personal experiences with them. I skipped them in favor of the Rift
dusk mesa
Gallium here, everyone hide
idle nova
That include cost of PC Cipherizer?
vocal shard
Well, pc can be seperate.
sweet nebula
I had a capable PC before jumping into VR, thankfully.
languid beacon
They Sent my base station from RMA twice without fixing it, won’t replace or refund it and won’t refund shipping. 3 months without being able to use it still isn’t fixed
sweet nebula
But I only had enough money for the Rift at the time. And to be honest, with the DAS, the Vive seemed like a rip off...
I'd later regret that a bit due to the lack of FBT on VRC
idle nova
Well that's a big difference in budget if PC is factored in or not
dusk mesa
Oculus has a very good support, just sad about the fullbody tracking. The Hybrid version is kinda "wonky" 😂
rough pulsar
Still a personal experience. I'm not denying people have had bad experiences with HTC support. But to say they're objectively the worst based on anedcotal evidence is just silly.
languid beacon
And it didn’t work out of the box but since they took so long NOT fixing it in RMA it ran out of time for a refund
idle nova
Vive was a good value when I got mine, and it's held up well for me
dusk mesa
I heard only bad words about the HTC Support. Personal i cant tell bc i have a Oculus.
vocal shard
Everyone ripping on HTC.
sweet nebula
I still stand by the opinion that the DAS should've come standard. Cutting it out and selling it separately for $100 USD was pure greed on their end.
rough pulsar
Same, I haven't had problems with HTC support. I know people have but I don't tell them their experiences are wrong.
languid beacon
Similarly if anyone here disagrees that vive wands are not the worst vr controller please share your opinion I find it interesting
I’d love to know which ones you consider worse
torn nebula
@languid beacon gamepads are worse for roomscale VR
rough pulsar
They're not the worst. They have the poorest configuration in VRChat, no argument there. They aren't the worst controllers.
quiet sleet
@languid beacon They are good for shooters, also they aren't as bad as the PS move controllers, there ya go....
sweet nebula
I've only had the opportunity to use the Vive wands once. I enjoyed them in that one instance. But, I do hear nothing but bad things about them from all I know who own the Vive
rough pulsar
Also yeah, the PSMove controllers are pretty bad.
sweet nebula
The overwhelming popular opinion seems to be that no one will miss the Vive wands
languid beacon
Fair enough I was taking about pc. No experience with PSMove
rough pulsar
I won't miss them, but for shooters they felt great.
idle nova
They're okay controllers
rough pulsar
And for games with swords or similar weapons their top-heavy balance gave them a nice feel.
quiet sleet
They would have been a bit better with a proper pistol grip
rough pulsar
So no, they're not the worst. Some people just really don't like them.
languid beacon
I can’t see any kind of heavy being a plus
idle nova
WMR controllers seem iffy quality
rough pulsar
Yeah, they feel super cheap and... well kinda are.
vocal shard
This reminds me of the discussion about steam controllers ha.
sweet nebula
It seems for every Vive owner that I know, there is a story of the trackpad breaking. It was such a common occurrence that there were popular guides online which would detail how to disassemble the controller and... put a plastic ring under the pad, or something?
quiet sleet
believe me, if you have an airsoft gun with buttons and tracking that is heavy, you'd disagree
languid beacon
When I used vive wands my hands just quickly got tried. I just stood in vrchat with my arms straight down not using my hands to express at all. Noticed other vive users end up doing the same
idle nova
Oddly I like the Steam Controller for VRChat desktop
I've managed to not break my Vive wands. Though I'm at ~300 hours.
sweet nebula
Even with all of the hype for the Index controllers, though, one of the things that excites me most for the Index is its native Linux support. Now, if only we could get a VRChat Linux build, I'd be set.
idle nova
A few people seem to have gotten it working under Proton
rough pulsar
So here's the thing so many people seem to completely miss. VR tech interacts with you as a person directly. Everyone is going to have a different experience and different opinions on that. Outside of stuff that is objectively provable, everything else is subjective and is opinion.
languid beacon
It’s unity that should be easy shouldn’t it
quiet sleet
I'm so glad I pre-ordered the index controllers early, getting those suckers around june 28th...
rough pulsar
HA. Should.
sweet nebula
I tried Proton on desktop. Sometimes it works for a small amount of time, but it always crashes.
idle nova
I'm not sure that's the norm, and I suspect depends heavily on your hardware config
Agree with Gallium
sweet nebula
The primary issue I've heard regarding bringing VRC to Linux are user-created shaders and whatnot. Or, so I've been told. If thats true, personally speaking, I'll just disable said shaders.
I can live without them if it means not having to load Windows just for VRC
idle nova
Anyone trying to apply their opinion as how VR should be needs to stop
vocal shard
I'm mainly interested in, which one should you get?
idle nova
Lotta VR enthusiasts outside this community seem to think Inside Out tracking is how all VR should go, but anyone here understands the appeal of Full Body Tracking, which doesn't really work with Inside Out
dusk mesa
👀
rough pulsar
How much money and space do you have? If the answer to those is "quite a bit" go for a SteamVR system (Vive/Vive Pro/Index)
sweet nebula
I'd love it if we could get better microphones in VR headsets, personally speaking.
languid beacon
Personally I’m sold on inside out tracking being a * standard* feature being the future but with external being optional suplimental
idle nova
I'm just hoping Index headphone jack can be configured as a Mic input
I like seeing a variety of options
dusk mesa
Yeah i am about the Mics too
rough pulsar
I guess we'll find out what the Index's mic setup is like soon enough.
One good thing with the Vive Pro's dual mics is it's great at cancelling out ambient noise.
dusk mesa
My Oculus mic sounds weird after a year now. Dunno
languid beacon
In my opinion no headset should require external sensors, but they should support them
rough pulsar
I could talk at my friend with his on while he was in vrchat and not trigger his mic.
dusk mesa
Wat
rough pulsar
While only standing a meter or less away.
If I wanted to be heard through his I had to get weirdly up close and personal.
sweet nebula
I can't stand the mic of the Rift personally. I use an external microphone in VRC, which usually means I'm seated most of the time. Which is also fine, as Oculus tracking is... ehhhhh...
tiny ginkgo
oh i like it, what do you feel is bad about it?
i mean it's not a studio mic for sure but both the mic and headset are pretty nice for VRC I feel
dusk mesa
I use headphones with a mic over my Oculus and just use this mic then
sweet nebula
I am a bit picky, to be fair, heh. I do use a studio mic, the RE20. Anything less than that bothers me.
tiny ginkgo
right then i understand
sweet nebula
Though I was looking at perhaps settling for a Modmic... maybe.
dusk mesa
😂 but thats a you problem then :P
rough pulsar
Equalizer APO is worth a try, can apply EQ and other stuff to inputs and outputs. I use it to balance out my Vive Pro's mic which likes higher frequencies more than bass.
quiet sleet
@sweet nebula just gonna ask, what kind of iffy tracking? like issues with your setup or tracking jitter? or what?
covert linden
ive decided ima sell the rift and get the rift S
languid beacon
Rift mics sound great to me?
covert linden
rifts mic is great
tiny ginkgo
yeah me too, but with a RE20 you just get a more full and less robotic sound
languid beacon
I mean I’m no audiophile but after years of people with terrible microphones having a room full of people with well positioned rift mics is great
dusk mesa
I have my Rift a year now and after dancing for hours daily and sweat i guess it is what it is now 👀
tiny ginkgo
totally agreed Adeon
covert linden
I want a mic that makes it sound like im beside you
sweet nebula
I use two sensor tracking. I have three sensors, but running cables all over the room (and yet still having occlusion near the corner without a sensor) is a tedious, unappealing, and even impossible scenario for me in some cases (I move frequently, Uni student). The two sensors naturally don't allow for much freedom.
tiny ginkgo
time to replace your sweatset for a headset then Shim ^^
I agree Parin.. I have the 3 sensor set up and I have the cables hidden in trays and stuff, but I still dislike it
languid beacon
Oh well voice comes from view position so people talk out of their eyes in vrchat
dusk mesa
😂 i already contact the support about it and also because my Rift blacks out sometimes randomly and they offered me to send me a new headset 😊 plus a new left controller bc mine is kinda broken
tiny ginkgo
it works well but eeeh i would have prefered the lighthouse solution myself
covert linden
you can put your hands behind just not move them much, like if you swing your arms back the EMU takes over
I think it was called IMU? but ima calll it emu ^-^
rough pulsar
IMU
tiny ginkgo
EMO
covert linden
LOL
rough pulsar
Emus are what terrify australians
dusk mesa
I cant even use a 3th Sensor bc i have Kinectfullbody
tiny ginkgo
because it's sad you lost tracking
covert linden
LOL
sweet nebula
Given that my Touch controllers sit on my lap (as thats where my hands are) as I play, I contantly like... have my arms straight out like a zombie in game. I see lots of other people who are this way as well
rough pulsar
Ah, T-Rexing. An old VR classic.
sweet nebula
At one point, for a little while, I was actually removing the batteries from my touch controllers and plugging in an Xbox controller, just to avoid that effect
languid beacon
Yeah sitting mode on rift has the T. rex pose
covert linden
my boyfriend plays with his arms on arm rests so they do that
tiny ginkgo
roar
languid beacon
And WMR looks like a begging puppy
Vive users stand like solders
Everyone has a tell
sweet nebula
Oh, Oculus has the t-rex hands/arms issue too, its really strange. Arms always bent at the elbows
tiny ginkgo
i mean i'd prefer being a kitty, but i can do t-rex
covert linden
I try to remember to stand with my arms down beside me
languid beacon
That’s people using sitting mode
covert linden
Arms always bent isnt an oculus issue its an avatar and/or height issue.
sweet nebula
I get bent arms standing or sitting
tiny ginkgo
yeah that is actually a bit weird.. i don't feel like i can stretch my arms out fully, they just stop
covert linden
I have my height and avatar modified so I can put my arms full out and they dont bend
languid beacon
Then it’s a bad avatar
rough pulsar
I remember in the early days of FBT I learned to do the normal IK foot step movements to trick people into thinking I didn't have full body.
Then I'd sit down.
languid beacon
With bad view position
sweet nebula
I run Nanachi avatars 99% of the time. They all have the bent arms going on sadly