I would be mortified if I started seeing it getting passed around as a common cloneable avatar.
#vrchat-general-2
ruby burrow
odd lava
You can rip anything from any game
regal furnace
upload it as private, put the copyright logo on it and done
regal furnace
it counts when someone could possible cause damage to you with your property
ruby burrow
Good luck suing some anonymous Russian 14 yearold for theft of a digital avatar though.
odd lava
Did any of you model your avatar yourself?
vapid musk
You don't need damage. Copyright infringement is a pretty serious thing, I'm pretty sure if I had proof of someone breaking that for something I own the people running VRChat would be legally obligated to give me that person's name and email address, at least in germany
odd lava
Or just took parts?
Because if it someone else work you have 0 claim for this obviously
ruby burrow
I keep saying, but beyond the suing thing, does it matter?
umbral reef
@vapid musk You would need a court order for that
vapid musk
I've not yet made any avatar myself, I'm just stating the (probably very flawed) legal knowledge I've aquired over the past few weeks when researching about everything article 13 related
And I don't think so, if I had proof they'd have to give it to me, if they'd refuse I could go to court but would definitely win, because it's stated very clearly in the law. (But as I said, that's German laws, would probably be different for anything outside of here :P)
odd lava
No-one in EU would give personal data
regal furnace
i dont build avatars myself neither, but if i do, i can always put copyright onto it if it is completely made by myself
odd lava
Without court order
vapid musk
Nono, name and address. Nothing more, nothing less.
odd lava
Noone would give you anything
vapid musk
Yeah, but then I could just go and get a court order wihout a lot of problems
odd lava
Especially with rodo now
umbral reef
Both are protected under GDPR and various other laws so they cant just give it out unless ordered to.
Unless you ask them to take it down and the user appeals the decision. Then your forced to get there information as its not a take down request anymore but a legal dispute.
vapid musk
I'm not a lawyer or anything btw, just though i'd make that clear, don't take any legal advice from me, that's just the results of me looking these things up online xD
copper linden
Hey do youknow of gaming laptops thatcan run vrchat? Preferably ones that dont glow / arent red
Also waddup, how yall doing?
odd lava
I doubt more than 100 people in vrc actually own copyright to their r avatar
vapid musk
Would you want to run it in desktop or VR mode?
ruby burrow
The parts my avatar is composed of are freely distributed for anyone to use, but I still put plenty of work into composing them together, and the result is still very personal to me. Seeing "myself" used and passed around by others would really dishearten me.
copper linden
Vr
odd lava
@ruby burrow outside of vrc tos
copper linden
I don't have vr set but that's the plan
umbral reef
First question il have to ask. What is your budget and do you need a laptop? Laptops are a lot less power/cost effective and gaming laptops have a fair bit of draws like being really bulky and not being able to run long without a power cable.
vapid musk
@odd lava Everyone who creates their own avatar own's the copyright for it automatically ^^
odd lava
Noone cares
vapid musk
(As long as you made it yourself of course :P)
regal furnace
@copper linden Look up the recommended specs for your vr headset or the one you want to get
ruby burrow
Outside of TOS? What do you mean? '-'
covert linden
@copper linden please do not get a gaming laptop for vrchat
vapid musk
The only way this would not be the case would be if VRC's TOS state that they own everything that get's uploaded.
copper linden
Uh. I think it's cheaper to buy one machine than a desktop pc and a laptop
odd lava
Client modification to copy "yours" avatar
copper linden
@covert linden why tho lol
covert linden
There is a well known problem with laptops where the hdmi is connected the cpu not the gpu, and if that occurs theres nothing yiu can do and you cant run vr at all. And its not something listed on the box @copper linden
The majority of laptops even gaming ones are like thst
ruby burrow
Of course that's out of tos. Point being? ._.
copper linden
Oh fuk
vapid musk
Laptops are perfectly fine, unity is quite optimized and should run without a problem, you just might run into problems if there are very complex shaders involved, because Laptops tend to have more problems with getting hot quickly than desktop computers
regal furnace
Laptops are too expensive for the same power. a complete tower pc is best for gaming and you can still upgrade
covert linden
I have a prebuild pc with the bare minimum for vrchat, its 1k CAD and cheaper USD, Way less youd be spending on a gaming laptop if you want it. @copper linden
copper linden
@covert lindenthanks for pointing that out. Ill see if i buy a desktop
covert linden
@vapid musk dont say laptops are perfectly fine for vr because I have a gaming one and the hdmi problem, Its too much work and its annoying. I have an oculus I cant use
vapid musk
I am talking about running it in desktop mode, not in VR mode
copper linden
@covert lindenid have to buy monitor and all that stuff, we dont own a desktop at home xd we have may laptops tho
vapid musk
I am not assuming she wants to plug a VR headset into a Laptop
covert linden
You can get the pc for like, maybe 900usd idk conversions.. and then a work laptop for like 500 if you needed and youre still spending less @copper linden
ruby burrow
@copper linden Phone < Tablet < Laptop < Desktop PC.
Assume each tier will give you double the performance for your money.
copper linden
@vapid muskuhhhhhh
covert linden
You can get a monitor for cheap, like 100$, you can then buy dollarstore mouee and keyboard @copper linden
copper linden
@covert lindenoh. Thank you then c: I'll see what i buy
covert linden
Then it still is less cost than a laptop
vapid musk
If you go for a desktop, I would suggest looking for someone of your friends who knows a bit about this and can help you, usually there should be one or two IT guys in every friend circle 😛
regal furnace
I got an i57600k and a gtx 1070ti in my current pc and runs like butter. i bought it for 800€ from a good friend of mine. Monitors are not that expensive and mouse/keboard can be avaiable for around 10€
covert linden
I just dmed them a prebuilt thatll suffice
Makinf it is cheaper but im ot gonna reccomend it wheen I cant mentally do it
vapid musk
@copper linden Biggest question probably, do you want a device you can carry around or would you only want to use it at home at your desk?
ruby burrow
@vapid musk They specifically said they want it for VR.
Plus, you know how this game is. Everyone ends up wanting VR before long, so why trap yourself with an overly expensive machine that will spend 99% of it's time on a desk anyway.
covert linden
I refuse to let people buy laptops for vr.. ive got a "vrready" laptop at home that was probably 1.5k and I have the oculus. I learned the gpu wasnt connected to the hdmi and then thst it was on the majoriry of lsptop.s
vapid musk
Yes, but even so if they would want a PC to carry around as well a desktop might actually not be the optimal solution.
regal furnace
@copper linden if you really want a prebuilt pc, be really carefull what parts are inside. sometimes they use cheap hw that slows dow the entire system
covert linden
You. Cant. Do. Vr. With. Laptops.
I will argue this so nobody wastes 400$ like I did
Laptops dont tell you where the hdmi is connected and unless you spend 2k it wont be guarnteed
gusty willow
hello
vapid musk
Yes, you could. My suggestion would probably be a mid-range laptop with a decent CPU + an external GPU at your desk, so you could take it with your for casual work and once you want to play you could hook it up to your external GPU and fire up VRC
covert linden
You can but its a99% chance it wont.
Its easier if they get apc and not spend 2k for a guarnteed gpu
ruby burrow
You can do VR with laptops, plenty do, you just honestly shouldn't unless it's literally your only option or otherwise essential for some reason.
vapid musk
But if she really only wants to play at home and wouldn't want to carry it around, then I'd agree, a desktop PC would be more price efficient and better performing
covert linden
My "vr ready" laptop doesnr even have a dp
This is a big problem with mosr laptops
ruby burrow
You can sometimes tell who's using VR with a laptop by the roaring sound of their over worked cooling fans whirring in the background of their mic. >_>
vernal forge
Laptop mid range sounds good for WMR but definitely not Oculus and Vive
vapid musk
If you buy a new PC you need to keep in mind that you won't just buy it for one specific thing, maybe you want to take it with you to write stories on the go or need it for university or stuff like that.
umbral reef
@vapid musk question with gaming laptops is not about wanting to carrying it around but having to
If they need a laptop for school a gaming laptop is NOT fit. They are super bulky, cant go without power long and are often fairly loud...
vapid musk
Laptop mid range + external GPU was what I said
tacit plank
Mid range from the perspective or a VR user maybe
covert linden
And there are others like me with vrs they cant use because they didnt know laptops fucking suck
vapid musk
You could get a ultrabook if you have the money and still have a decent VR experience if you do it right ^^
covert linden
Ok but how does an external gpu even hook up
vernal forge
That sounds like a lot of work when you can just get pc and normal school laptop
tacit plank
I can't get a desktop PC which can run VR for less than like 1500$
covert linden
Im almost certain thats not an option because idve done that.
ruby burrow
You're not going to get a VR-Chat suitable laptop that doesn't weigh a ton.
vapid musk
I honestly can't recommend a setup for anyone if I don't know how they want to use it ^^
covert linden
And yeah gaming laptops for school suck, I bring mine (dont forget weather damage!) And it dies in like 30 minutes if its not charging
tacit plank
Well, I can if I buy it myself. Recently it's like half price to build myself
ruby burrow
If a laptop is needed for non gaming purposes, you can get perfectly good ones for absurdly cheap these days.
covert linden
External gpus arent guarnteed to work like thst otherwize id have one lol
umbral reef
An ultra book is not capable of proper VR jack...
ruby burrow
Much better solution to get a gaming desktop and a utility portable laptop.
vapid musk
Are people just ignoring that I'm recommending external GPU's here? xD
covert linden
Is the ultra book the ex gpu?
tacit plank
It if has "book", "chrome" or "mac" in the name, it's not a good laptop
covert linden
An ex gpu will not work
ruby burrow
Both devices will work far far better for their intended purpose.
vapid musk
Why not?
tacit plank
Or "lenovo" for that sake, lmao. Fucking malware
covert linden
I am friends with a bunch of tech people and ik for a fact if it worked theyd have told.me to get one,
umbral reef
The screen and headset have to be plugged within the same GPU to properly communicate
covert linden
^
vapid musk
I have a very good Lenovo laptop I've been very happy with for the past 4 years or so 😄
umbral reef
Its the same why you cant plug your Vr in the MOBO's hdmi ports even if they are indirectly connected...
It wont just run then
tacit plank
4 years? Chances are it has "lenovo accelerator" installed
vapid musk
No? xD
vernal forge
Do yourself a favour and just get a decent pc for vr and normal laptop for school. What you cant accomplish outside, you can bring it back and get it done with your pc.
covert linden
Ok so external gpus wont work nice so can we all agree not to reccomend people laptops for vr
@vapid musk I woulsnr say no to Kai he literally works in tech. He knows what hes talking sbout
Kai has taught me a lot about pcs.
tacit plank
Lenovo comes pre-installed with malware. If you reinstalled it, maybe it's gone, depends how they did it
covert linden
I know they wont work because id have been reccomended it otherwise
vapid musk
@tacit plank I highly doubt that, but in any case, I always clean-install the OS on every new device I get
And correct me if I'm wrong, but can't an external GPU utilize it's own signal outputs?
tacit plank
Doubt the malware? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Lenovo_Accelerator
But that's good. Should be clean then if they didn't put it in the bios or some shit
vapid musk
And oh yeah, I actually remember that now @tacit plank , but that was just very badly designed software and not intentional spreading of maleware 😛
vernal forge
Which headset are you using Jack? Do you play VRC on pc or laptop?
covert linden
We do not reccomend laptops for gaming and vr because if the hdmu is connectrd to the gpu which eek99% chance, and they buy a vr snd it doesnt work, have fun while they come tell you its not picking up the hdmi, and realizing they spent 1.5k on somethinf thatll mever run vr
Never
tacit plank
They're still a bunch of incompetent fucks and I don't want to pay them anything.
They can get away with that one, but they made the same mistake literally a year earlier, when their ad-injecting (explicitly malicious, I'd say) software had a similar security flaw
covert linden
Everyone told me my laptop could run it, I bought the oculus and you wouldnt believe how bad the people felt, its not worth it
I now am getting a prebuilt and my boyfriends gonna build it when hes visiting
vapid musk
@covert linden I will not disagree until I do further research on my own because I'm not informed enough about Laptops and external GPU's enough, just from my general knowledge about PCs I think it should be a possible and probably not too bad solution. But don't take my word for it
covert linden
It is possible. If you spend 2k and its guarnteed. But most people arent wanting to spend 2k.
vapid musk
Wait, your bf is gonna build up a prebuild PC? 😄
covert linden
External gpus will not work
ruby burrow
I've mentioned here in the past already, but a friend of mine once spent over a grand on a laptop that turned out to actually be a downgrade on his 6 year old desktop PC.
I've always been quick to advise against careless laptop purchases since.
subtle prawn
covert linden
Hes gonna put mine together since I get sensory overload
vapid musk
@covert linden you said that at least 20 times now, do you have any source for that? Because I'm genually interested as to why it doesn't know
covert linden
@umbral reef
thick dune
Hi, is it possible to play VRChat with the headset plugged into the dedicated GPU, while the monitor is plugged into the motherboard intergrated graphics?
covert linden
My source is the literal dozenz of people who have told me it wont. Kai knows more than I do however
@thick dune which vr
thick dune
WMR
covert linden
I believe theey both need to be connexted to the gpu but I may be mistaken
@vocal shard
I know the oculus needs to be
thick dune
Yeah it did come up with an error, but I thought there might be a workaround to get it to work
vapid musk
Hmm, all right, I'll look into it, I honestly don't believe it won't, but I will gladly learn a bit more about this stuff 😄
thick dune
a lot of other vr games work just fine using this method, only vrchat and bigscreen vr don't seem to want to work
ruby burrow
I would presume the mirror view wouldn't be able to render on a monitor if not plugged into the same graphics processor right?
covert linden
My friends mentioned thunderbolt but that itd likely not work,and we already bought a new gpu for a pc thar doesnt work so
vernal forge
External gpu isnt cheap too if i am not wrong
glossy wharf
@thick dune If you have a gpu you never want to have anything plugged into your motherboard video output.
Usually a proper motherboard will disable the video output when a gpu gets detected.
umbral reef
You would need a laptop that deliberately route the external display ports from the dGPU, bypassing optimus specifically to make it VR compatible.
thick dune
@glossy wharf Yeah, I know. My GF's gpu only has 1 hdmi port so she's waiting on a displayport adaptor to arrive, but I thought in the meantime we could get it to work somehow
umbral reef
Only then it would work good really...
glossy wharf
Just dont use it like that, you could actually break something.
covert linden
Yes exactly what I was saying kai, and sincr it doesnt say our hdmi isnt fucking useless theyres no point in hurting your chances
vapid musk
@umbral reef Oh, right, that's actually something I did not think of, yeah, I can totally see that problem. I'd imagine it would work if you would completely disable your build-in screen and just directly connect one to the same eGPU running the headset though
glossy wharf
And on the topic of egpus, those are not for vr at all.
umbral reef
So you need a thunderbolt connection and a properly mobo within a gaming laptop what means its cheaper to really just get a desktop and a cheap laptop @vapid musk
And instead of giving this tech babble everyone should just say "No you cant"
covert linden
Exactly. ^
thick dune
Yeah, I figured it probably wouldn't work, but didn't hurt to ask. Thanks guys
covert linden
I alwayz say no laptops cant do vr. Its way way way easier to say that because by saying yes you are literally now going to have to emotionally help themm when it doesnt work
Unless you are going to say everything thats already been said to them its not worth it.
vocal shard
covert linden
Jamiiiee
glossy wharf
@vapid musk No it will not work, a laptop will pick an egpu up as a dedicated gpu which means programs that use hardware acceleration will not work when the egpu isnt plugged in, also disabling your built in screen will leave you with the wonderful task of having a deactivated internal graphics chip when you unplug the egpu.
umbral reef
Is that the official confirmed waifu WMR expert jamie!
vocal shard
Hey Rea 
Just woke up. Lol
covert linden
Yes it issss xD
glossy wharf
If you want to use VR, buy a super expensive laptop that is tested and properly supports vr, not only says VR ready but really is confirmed to work with vr, or get a laptop and decent desktop. @vapid musk
I recommend the latter one.
covert linden
I cant stress enough in this discord that Laptops cant run vr dont care if some can unles they want to get into the tech
covert linden
Well aware but then ive gotta explain the tech
But it doesnt sayon the box if its properly plugged in
glossy wharf
thats why you look it up
covert linden
Luckily the person who came here actually asking about laptops decided to get a pc
umbral reef
@glossy wharf Thing is if someone asks for a cheap gaming laptop that cna run Vr its easier to just say "Nah" then offer them a 1.4K laptop that properly can run VR and has everyting checked
glossy wharf
Theres affordable vr compatible laptops.
vapid musk
I would argue that if someone needs a decent Laptop anyway it might be cheaper to look for a solution that works instead of buying two complete systems, but once again, and I can't stress this enough, it all depends on how the person it going to use the device(es) 😛
covert linden
Most people wont look it up.
glossy wharf
Then its their fault
covert linden
Not if you flatup told them yes
glossy wharf
IF you spend multiple hundred bucks on something and you dont look it up you might aswell just stamp retard on your forehead
covert linden
You yourself told me my laptop would work with it u butt
umbral reef
Its not like most companies do make it harder on consumers by claiming false things as "Vr ready"
covert linden
^
glossy wharf
I mean now that rtx is rolling out vr ready laptops will be available a lot more
because of the wonderful dedicated vr connector plug c:
vocal shard
Usually a higher end laptop will say vr ready. Also depends on the vr system you use. But... Best to look around and see if a desktop is within budget instead
covert linden
Mines fake vr ready
glossy wharf
@vocal shard VR Ready means nothing
Vr ready is a seal that nvidia delivers out with laptops that have gpus capable of running vr, doesnt mean they are actually using the gpu for the hdmi plug and thats the only way to connect the hmd
VR ready just means the hardware would support it in theory,
vapid musk
Yeah, marketing BS is really a huge problem when it comes to this, but thorough research will probably give you a lot of options ^^
umbral reef
And as you see- Thats totally clear to people who even have VR....
covert linden
So then theyre not dumb for assuming a vr ready would run vr
glossy wharf
Thats why you dont buy shit like this without asking someone that actually has a clue what they are doing.
vocal shard
still waking up
Oh... You guys covered that already ^^
glossy wharf
I mean you are pretty dumb for believing a random seal in tech.
covert linden
You shouldnt have to.google will this vr ready laptop run vr
glossy wharf
Yes you should
Technology is complicated, dont randomly go out and buy it if you dont know what ur doing.
covert linden
Ok but people who come here asking about it obviously arent tech geniuses
glossy wharf
Technology wont ever be easy.
copper linden
@vapid musk I used to be quite a technophile back in my day so building a desktop should be fine for me. But for a laptop I wanted to hear opinions because the last time I had a "gaming" pc 1gb vram was a whole lot
covert linden
They came here and adked for a reason
glossy wharf
Its in the nature of the object.
Yes and by asking here they already go a safe route.
covert linden
@copper linden I have a pc part picker thats really nice brb ill dm it
vapid musk
@glossy wharf You should not say it like that. People who are not affilliated with tech will probably very quickly run into misleading marketing traps, and it#s not their fault for not knowing about it.
covert linden
Exactly
copper linden
@vapid musk yah I'd rather have a laptop but the problem ash described is a dealbreaker for me
covert linden
Sai doest understand what its like to not know tech but thats fine
glossy wharf
I say and i will keep saying, if you buy expensive technology without having a clue about it, ask an expert on the matter before you spend hundreds of bucks.
I do understand, its just your own fault for not asking someone that knows about it.
covert linden
Back in december I didnt even know gpus so asking people who knew seemed like the besr idea. Especially being unaware of the hdmi problem
umbral reef
Look at all the people talking about the 'new VR headsets' and 'how they are so much better'
Meanwhile they are all non PC VR headsets and there are no drawbacks listed at all for them...
glossy wharf
Its not even a marketing trap, vr ready is what it says, the hardware is ready to run vr
doesnt mean the manufacturer properly hooks it up.
umbral reef
Companies say one thing and ignore all the bad things.
Ofcours people who dont know all the short cuts for the insane tech definitions will get confused.
covert linden
So for people who dont know tech its safe to assume itll work for them
glossy wharf
No its not
covert linden
They think it is
glossy wharf
Because they are too lazy to ask someone who knows about the matter.
covert linden
They dont know tech
vapid musk
@glossy wharf Maybe they did. Maybe they asked someone in a tech shop that told them complete BS, but they would still think they did the correct thing because they don't know what has been told is BS, because they can't know. You shouldn't assume these people went into it blindly, very oftenly they were just mislead, which is not their fault because they tried to get professional input
glossy wharf
Exactly thats the whole fuckign point
covert linden
No. I asked you sai anyou never told me.
glossy wharf
they dont know tech, so dont go spend 1k bucks on something you dont understand
ask someone that knows about it
covert linden
I had dozens of people like yes your laptop 100% will work.
And I dont blame them.at all for it bur like
umbral reef
With that logic il never be allowed to buy a car, a house, most food and ect
vocal shard
meanwhile wmr is marketing that integrated 620 chips will run it
Hate to see the person who tries to run it on that. It will work.... But suck
vapid musk
Honestly if I was not as interested into tech as I am I'd be lost even picking a good GPU.
languid beacon
My base station is constantly swapping between green and blue and the LEDs keep turning off and on
glossy wharf
How does that logic make any sense, cars are a way more established thing with a lot of factors that you can understand with barely reading up upon, cough same with tech btw but people are lazy.
vapid musk
@umbral reef If you don't know how to completely disassemble and reassemble the car than it's your own fault for trusting the people who's job it is to sell cars to customers... Obviously...
covert linden
When youre told something will work its not wrong to trust it
umbral reef
Lmao trust me i looked into car tech
Unless i spend a full day or weekend looking into the traps and shit id be fully out of luck
glossy wharf
Yeah a salesman thats out for profit is obviously always the most trustable person
Exactly oclac
thats what ur meant to do, spend a week reading up on something that costs big money
sly nexus
See, from what I saw on ASUS laptops in particular, they have laptops capable of handling VR even at a minimum but because they were physically different (including optimus I believe, which made it so the HDMI connector connected to the mobo) they could not run it unless you adapted the HDMI to display or mini-display
covert linden
I asked you, Jamie,,bunch of people here, and a ton of friends all who claimed it work fine
languid beacon
I don’t understand how my five year old computer plays VR fine But people go buy new computers last week that are expensive and they still can’t handle it
glossy wharf
I didnt get asked for that laptop for shit
umbral reef
Normally id trust a person selling me shit to explain me these things
its that i know tech doesnt work that way that i dont so
covert linden
Yes you did
glossy wharf
i did not get asked for a laptop for shit
sly nexus
I was talking about non “vr ready”
covert linden
I asked you about the one I had
glossy wharf
you told me about the pc and i told you its a bad idea
and badabing guess what it was one
covert linden
Only cuz the gpu broke something
sly nexus
Nani
glossy wharf
And the gpu was broken to begin with
covert linden
No the.gpu works fine
sly nexus
Wouldnt that be a manufacturer fault that you could send back? Or was it used
glossy wharf
last time it didnt work
covert linden
He bought me a second one and it doesnt work itz something else in there
sly nexus
RAM?
covert linden
I have two rx580s now
glossy wharf
So one queston then tho
vocal shard
And I'm sorry Rea that it didn't work out for you. I only said go for it because my cousin had the same laptop and my headset worked fine on his. Bit he wasn't using a rift, so it didn't have the software lock out. Im sorry
covert linden
Noo Jamie im not upset about it at alll its okay, Im.getting a pc its alll ok <3
covert linden
I dont blame you guys for saying itd work, id say the same in your position
glossy wharf
I didnt say shit to a laptop
if anything i said the hardware would be enough for VR
covert linden
Besidess now my boyfriends gonna come and assemble my pc... romantic.. xD
sly nexus
Tbh for the price of getting a good laptop you might as well make a PC at the same pricepoint :<
covert linden
My laptop was a gift
glossy wharf
The whole point for jack was mobility though.
covert linden
Jack wasnt even the ome who asked the question
glossy wharf
Unless you buy an msi backpack you dont have that.
sly nexus
I have a laptop which was also a gift and runs pretty well because its an upper-mid and its priced well but its a laptop, so no updating hardware :<
vapid musk
I am confident that there are ways of getting a good VR experience out of a combination of mid-range Laptops and eGPU's, however it's probably quite difficult to find a good solution for it.
covert linden
am currently besidr my gsmigng laptop to school, fits fine in my pc bag
copper linden
@glossy wharf yeah, in my case mobility is a big deal.
glossy wharf
EGpus work with some stuff, most of it is glitchy and it brings a good load of other problems with it.
copper linden
Not only for taking but inside the home too
glossy wharf
@copper linden whats ur budget
covert linden
@vocal shard ill have vr in july tho and ill pet you
sly nexus
HeHhheEhEhH laptop is 17.3”
mobile. :,)
sly nexus
Mine fits in my swiss gear backpack but it can weigh a bit with other stuff in the bag
copper linden
@glossy wharf around 1500 usd I guess.
glossy wharf
i think the acer aspire V 15 nitro BE laptops should be something ur looking for
let me see if they properly support it
vocal shard
Yay Rea ^^
hardy seal
My laptop is big and thicc
17in 2in thicc in the back weighs 10 pounds 12 with the power brick
glossy wharf
@copper linden The Acer Nitro 5 lineup is in your budget and works with VR
it is an oculus recommended VR Laptop series.
sly nexus
That thing runs 85°C if you dont try to vent it
glossy wharf
Alternatively there is the Omen lineup by HP, those also work with VR
just a quick headsup, ur gonna pay a lot extra for licensing and brand names but thats what you have to deal with for vr compatible laptops.
hardy seal
I think most 10series+ laptops will support vr
glossy wharf
Negative.
They have gpus but the gpu isnt hooked up to the hdmi port in most cases.
glossy wharf
I would of recommended the hp omen because they are a pretty good lineup for the price but sure
Make sure to buy it somewhere new so you can send it back if there are any issues
copper linden
Dang, it's red
glossy wharf
Im just giving you info based on what i can gather online, its not guaranteed it will work. But since they are both oculus recommended laptops chances are 99%
copper linden
Ok I'll chek the hp. The thing is I've bought hp and Compaq laptop before and they have always sucked
Thanks a lot yall for the help
glossy wharf
go with whatever you wanna get ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hardy seal
I dont know if they've fixed their issues but omen used to be Terrible quality wise
sly nexus
HP has a good rep with businesses but personally I dont care for them or their style. They did recently update their style though and it does look sleeker
glossy wharf
Idk what ur talking about but when the OMEN lineup came out it was one of the best rated laptop and desktop prebuilt gaming setup series ever.
hardy seal
I've known two people with omen laptops and they've both had ports break neither of them are on the stock drives because they died
vapid musk
lol
hardy seal
They didn't the drives just failed
hardy seal
I can confirm msi has a high failure rate too I had two replaced before I got one that lasted me more than a few months
My current one has been ticking for two years though
glossy wharf
You guys seem to be a bit special to break some of the laptops with best ratings and nearly no negative feedback on sites saying that their stuff broke.
And also properly tested, with disassembly and co to see how robust they have been built.
hardy seal
Things break teardowns don't show how shit holds up to everyday life and most reviews happen within a few days of product purchase
glossy wharf
People change their reviews when stuff breaks though.
But yeah id rather trust a random discord user saying they have a high failure rate rather than actual numbers sorry
hardy seal
Well click the one stars or two stars you'll find more of the people who had issues
glossy wharf
You always have some devices failing but looking at the amount of reviews its nowhere near a "high failure rate"
hardy seal
I always read the lower reviews as well
But I was just saying from my own circle of friends two of them had hp omen laptops and they both had serious issues
ruby burrow
On that previous note of tech sales and servicemen, I have a friend in VR-Chat who brought in their PC to a shop get a new motherboard and CPU fitted. They already own a 1060. The staff told them that the 10 range was no longer supported by Nividia and that they needed to buy a 20 series GPU to work with the new motherboard. Fortunately they didn't fall for that bullshit.
rough pulsar
LOLOLOL at the 10xx series being discontinued
If that's discontinued why can I still get drivers for my GTX 670?
Pricks. :|
floral aspen
its discontinued, meaning they are no longer manufacturing it. Doesn't mean you can't get drivers for it. Shop dude is dumb
hardy seal
I mean every time it's successful they make $400+ it's a real shitty tactic
ruby burrow
They did still pay £800 for just a CPU and a motherboard however, with installation. I don't blame people for being adverse to opening up a PC, but a tiny bit of google and an ounce of courage would have halved that cost.
Also shop dude isn't dumb. Shop dude is preying on dumb.
hardy seal
It's nearly a scam
vocal shard
Hi
ruby burrow
Is even worse when they charge hundreds in "service fees" for installing a graphics card.
hardy seal
Yeah
ruby burrow
Sometimes people get a tiny bit too smug with the "PC building is like lego" phrase that gets said a lot, but with graphics cards it's absolutely true.
covert linden
putting a gpu in gave me a breakdown but not as bad as putting the sidepannel on
I learned from that my sensory overload wont let me build a pc eek
hardy seal
When my roommate from college was going to get a PC he was going to buy a prebuilt I ended up helping him build but it was hard to convince him it was easy and he should build
covert linden
Well I had two gpus, but learning to put them in was really stressful
now that I know how though it's easier
My boyfriends comign to visit me this summer so im buying a new pc and keeping the parts in like a corner so he can help me build it, my sensory overloads too much
ruby burrow
The first time I put in a CPU I was freaking out over it a bit, not expecting to need as much force on the locking lever.
covert linden
I need to pull a lot on the gpu to get it out so it freaks me out
rough pulsar
That horrifying feeling when you've just put together $$$$ of PC hardware and the post beep is an error beep 😱
ruby burrow
I'd watched half a dozen build videos, and near every one had warned me "Putting the RAM in can take a bit of force, but don't worry that's normal."
tidal aspen
I still remember the fear I felt hearing the sound of putting in a CPU for the first time
ruby burrow
And yet that clicked in effortlessly.
Whilst the CPU arm was never mentioned, beyond "Any slightest misstep here will potato your expensive CPU! Be careful and gentle!"
hardy seal
My first PC's Mobo had tight ram slots and the sound it made freaked me out
ruby burrow
So when the lever arm started making (super tiny subtle) graunching sounds, I freaked out and stopped.
hardy seal
Detected all 8 gigs and worked fine
ruby burrow
Took me over an hour to work up the courage to push that arm to the end.
rough pulsar
I loved putting my threadripper in, because I'd literally never put a CPU in that used a screw fitting in before
Horrifying
covert linden
Im glad im not the one making mine eek
hardy seal
Thermal paste confused me too there were dozens of articles all saying different things finally I just picked one and made thin x
Which now consensus is 1 pea sizedbead
ruby burrow
This always gets debated, but the best method for thermal paste is the most traditional one. Just drop a dot or short line, and lower the heatsink onto it.
The commonly used method that is not good is the spreader method. Don't manually spread the paste.
Reason is this...
When dropping onto a clean blob or line, all the air is evenly pushed out the side, and the paste will spread as thin as it's quantity allows for.
When spread manually, you create an uneven surface, which is impossible to press upon without trapping air bubbles.
Those air bubbles will both insulate against the heat sinks, and also trap heated air, contributing to the thermal paste degrading.
It's very easy to demonstrate with a pane of glass representing the heat sink.
urban jasper
He's right you know
covert linden
Im lucky that my bfs comign to build it this all seems stressful
floral aspen
I was kinda stressed the first time I built a PC but it's not really that bad
hardy seal
It's all pretty simple plug and play
floral aspen
the only time its not plug and play is if you're doing a custom cooling loop
hardy seal
In fact I even think now that I've built a few the hardest part is cable management
covert linden
I have bad sensory overload, ill break down if things arent going right, it pushes my mind
So building something like that seems hard, thats why itll be either with either Tyler or Jake with me
urban jasper
Honestly building a PC is pretty easy. Its like a big jigsaw puzzle. All the parts are keyed and it'll be obvious what goes where. Just take your time and you'll be okay.
covert linden
ive done a gpu and an attempt at a side pannel it wasnt ok
heavy dawn
@ruby burrow is right. A dot or a line of thermal paste, and use it REALLY SPARINGLY.
It's supposed to just fill the cracks between the heat spreaders, not be a later unto itself.
Supposed to aid thermal transfer, not become an integral part of it. 😛
We've actually gotten to the point where if you're using a low enough wattage CPU you can just... leave it out. Safely leave it out. < 40C temps. "She'll be right"
I mean, if the choice is dried out old crusty thermal paste or two relatively flat surfaces touching, the latter might be better in a lot of cases too.
Has anyone ever tried that Grizzly Kryonaut stuff? 🤣
Seems like fun but also pretty foolish given it'll corrode some things... like Aluminum? Or was it copper?
Oh it's even better. Kryonaut starts to migrate metals into copper and stain it. Neat!
ruby burrow
As an example of sorts I guess, I once failed to click my heat sink in fully when attaching the original stock one. Resulted in it hanging loose away from the CPU slightly when I stood the PC up.
Quickly realised and attached it correctly, but only after it had disrupted the paste. I later discovered that my CPU was running far hotter than it should be.
The act of pressing and lifting the cooler and turned my paste application into a sponge like structure.
Soon as I cleaned off and redid the paste the temps dropped around 30 degrees. Air in paste really makes it awful.
heavy dawn
Wow, what a stark example. I didn't really know about the air bubble thing specifically but I knew bad applications basically just hold the metal apart and metal is pretty good at conducting on its own.
earnest vortex
Did anybody here get a friend request by the Username " 1 " ?
heavy dawn
I'm not cool enough for 1 to be my friend.
earnest vortex
I was in a world and everyone got a friend request by someone/something named " 1 " at the same time. They were not in the world. I go to a different world to join off a friend and they tell me. "hey there is a user in here by the name of 1 they sent us all friend requests. but we don't know who they are." Thats when red flags went up.
heavy dawn
Oh this is an in game eploit... hmm weird.
vocal shard
@earnest vortex sounds like a modded client spamming stuff like that, maybe send a log to #moderation-reports if you managed to save it :/
I don't think you can have short names like that anymore so it's not a normal user sending it
median basalt
A lot of modded clients around lately
safe prism
kryonaut is a gallium alloy
and things in the gallium family, like mercury, tend to amalgamate with aluminium and similar metals, which a soft metal would make it weak
sly nexus
Make sure you spread your liquid metal kids :,)
heavy dawn
@safe prism It's pretty cool stuff for exreme OC but probably not something to use on the regular.
I mean, typically people delid their processorrs to even use it so I guess if you use it you're serious to start with.
safe prism
it's useful for subzero
heavy dawn
hehe that just made me picture KI
safe prism
because the amalgamation reaction happens slower and the thermal contact doesn't break down
heavy dawn
CPU fatalitiy!
sly nexus
Make an insulated chamber to put your PC in that sits at -50°C
safe prism
like it's called "kryo" for a reason
heavy dawn
@safe prism Yeah that's clear. I expect it's mostly used by people putting a cup with liquid nitrogen on a CPU just so they can get the max 3DMark 😛
safe prism
and also that hardware is toast after huge OC runs anyway
i was once about that life
i held a very high time spy hof spot
heavy dawn
Cool! 😄
heavy dawn
Yeah it costs a lot to keep buying the best hardware and then ruining it for status points. 😄
safe prism
p much
heavy dawn
But also a rush to get a really nice OC
I usually go for stable OCs just because I'm cheap and I love tweaking sometimes.
safe prism
hit that 100% OC on an HEDT CPU and tweak titan xp memory clocks by literal 1mhz at a time until it validates
just inching it in
sly nexus
No, you need a 10Ghz CPU ree
heavy dawn
My fave passmark stat is the page where they show value per benchmark score
sly nexus
112 cores reee
safe prism
hit em with that big uwu https://www.3dmark.com/spy/763614
but i mean this is 2.5 years old so
heavy dawn
Nice 😄
My 2070 barely benches anything good with my stock clock speed on the AM3 CPU I have. heh
I should try it again OCed.
safe prism
i haven't touched a 20 series card but the trick for pascal was to n e v e r touch core by all that much, gpu boost does a lot for you; but it doesn't touch the memory
like i think my max OC was +150 on core, +560-ish on memory
heavy dawn
Nice 😄
safe prism
also just driver updates boosted my score by 2000 after 2-ish months
heavy dawn
That makes sense as the memory bandwidth might be a big limiting factor for stuff with massive texture sizes like a benchmark.
safe prism
ye
heavy dawn
If I took a pic of my case you'd cry. It's like a $50 filtered case from 2010. It has a fan hole on the side you can see the 2070 through. I love it. It's so mismatched.
... and a PSU about that old that's 750W 80+
I have a better case but this one works so... I don't change it.
sly nexus
Corsair 1000D SE best case uwu
heavy dawn
Wow... $700 USD on a case alone. My frugal senses are cringing.
sly nexus
When I say stuff like that, take it with a grain of salt because I dont say it frugally lmao
heavy dawn
But I mean if I've had the same case for 9 years, I guess that $700 for an actually good one is not bad. 😛
sly nexus
But seriously their 500D SE and 1000D SE are both reaaally nice cases
Personally Im of the philosophy to save bigger and buy bigger and better to make them last
heavy dawn
Yeah I'm all too often too stingy for my own good. I'll buy like 5 of something because I keep buying the cheapest one and not being happy with it.
That old story about the poor man's boots.
sly nexus
Like Astro headsets, yeah theyre ~$300, but they EASILY last a decade, havent had it long enough to test 2 decades
Theyre super comfortable and have great sound quality
heavy dawn
There's a limit for me. I could afford to spend like 5K on a computer if I really wanted. But there's a point of diminishing returns. I don't need the best of everyhing, but reasonable quality at the same time.
heavy dawn
I guess I'm weird that way too though because apparently saving half your paycheque even when you make developer money is not that common. I do it because I have to pay taxes out of that, and save to retire. But yeah.
sly nexus
Tbh for me though, I like to buy few but good products
I dont like buying little random things
safe prism
astro
sly nexus
Owo
safe prism
nowadays everything is universal so
sly nexus
Nop
However I dont like that their A50s only come in green and blue now, no red
Talk later gtg
heavy dawn
Are those the gamer headsets with lights in them?
safe prism
ye
heavy dawn
I've used somethng like that at a gamer bar here.
Friend's Bday had Overwatch team play. haha
safe prism
i can't give up my M50x so idgaf
heavy dawn
I use a pair of Sony headphones with my Vive and they're all the headphone I need. 🤣
safe prism
same
well, just not sony
i just swap these on everything, release cable from one setup, move to another
ruby burrow
I just bought a Plantronics headset for £30. It works well, people have complemented the microphone, and I've had it nearly 7 years now. Still in good condition and easily cleanable, no peeling or deterioration of the pads. '-'
safe prism
removable cables are underrated
heavy dawn
@ruby burrow My partner buys high quality headphones all the time and they seem to completely deteriorate on her but she wears them all day and I expect since we use different shampoo maybe there's an acidity thing going on there.
Headphones almost never deteriorate for me. Like not even the cheapest foam.
She's crafty though so she just sews a new one. 😄
Then you get to use fun fabrics too.
ruby burrow
My brothers headset was secured by cable ties for the longest time, when each ear cup fell off. : P
heavy dawn
hahaha amazing
That just reminds me of touching my brother's mouse. A smoker and not really super clean. It always had dead skin on it and like, a gross keyboard D:
ruby burrow
The ends of the bright green cable ties stuck up like little antennas. Reminded me of something you'd see in a retro anime or video game.
heavy dawn
hehe that sounds kind of cute actuallly
ruby burrow
Eventually the top strap itself snapped too, and he couldn't repair that with cable ties. They supposedly sounded good and were comfortable, but whatever low grade plastic they used apparently just became super brittle over time.
( What the cable ties made me think of... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/e8-AwTiqU24/maxresdefault.jpg )
heavy dawn
I love Cave Story but so does everyone I guess. It's actually routinely cosplayed at any kind of nerdy event.
Quote or Curly Brace usually
Kind of an inspirational story for indy devs. Created by one person over 5 years?
opaque hawk
Yeah it has inspired me and other people I know
ruby burrow
I did a bit of fanart of it once, years back. https://i.imgur.com/Q2EwLSH.png
In a retro version of MS-Paint using a laptop trackpad. ^ ^;
vapid musk
Okay, I am starting to really enjoy VRChat 😄
ruby burrow
Good to hear. 🙂
vapid musk
One and a half days in, still not a user yet but definitely enjoying myself ^^
elfin compass
Hey does anyone know how to fix not being able to upload avatars using the SDK?
it says im not allowed to
and im very confused
vapid musk
You can't upload if you aren't a user yet, sadly
elfin compass
what does that mean?
covert linden
You need to be a new user, so you need to play the game more. Youll be emailed whdn youre a new user
vapid musk
You need to play the game long enough to rank up from visitor to user
elfin compass
oh right
covert linden
IBecoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
vapid musk
I've already played 2 days now and am not a user yet, so I suppose it just takes a while
elfin compass
ive played 2 days and have about 5 friends so hopefully it dosent take that long thanks for the help guys 😃
vapid musk
I can honestly kind of understand it, but I don't like that you can't even playtest scenes you create with the SDK without being a user
covert linden
Not being blocked helps.
Its 20 to 40 hours but gameplay is most important time is nothing
elfin compass
yeh okay thank you guys#
vapid musk
Like, in a private, non-public manner, because this period is (if I understand it correctly) supposed to be there so that you get to learn the game before you start uploading things, but honestly, since content creation is a pretty big part of the gameplay it doesn't make a lot of sense to not let you test that part 😛
ruby burrow
I got mine in 10 or less game hours, but I joined up with my brothers friends immediately and we all went exploring multiple worlds as a group. Which very likely helped.
vapid musk
I've already been exploring with a few different groups today 😄
ruby burrow
This was also an older version of the game before the newer trust system, so it may well have been made bit harder too.
vapid musk
And also got to know a very talanted singer in the free mic place
This game is just awesome
ruby burrow
You should have it in no time. Probably right on the verge of getting out of grey.
ruby burrow
You have to be green now?
covert linden
No B L U E!
ruby burrow
I thought you only needed to get out of grey to upload. '-'
vapid musk
Oh, also, I have a little question though, maybe you can help
How do cloning restrictions on avatars work?
covert linden
Oh I thought it was the saaying out of the blue yknow
ruby burrow
Oh lol...
covert linden
You had me confused I was like out of the gray!? Such a weird way of sayong out of the blue
vapid musk
Like, you can stop people being cloning your worn avatars, how does that work? Is that a global or per-avatar setting?
ruby burrow
Anything uploaded as public can be cloned, if your ingame cloning is turned on at the time.
Anything set to private is for you only, and can't be shared in any way.
covert linden
Unless people have a client
vapid musk
I've seen people being able to enable and disable it on the fly though
covert linden
Becauze its in your settings
But if the avatars uploaded as private you cant
Thats through unity
ruby burrow
That's the in game cloning settings, which only applies to public avatars.
stone current
manage uploaded content panel in unity also
covert linden
^
ruby burrow
Private avatars can never be cloned regardless of in game settings.
covert linden
Unless hackers have a clisnt
ruby burrow
Unless some scumbag has a client yes. ¬_¬
vapid musk
Ah, so I can disable my public avatars being copyable though?
stone current
i mean its techincally 'cloned' every time u request it
heavy dawn
Sweet fanart @ruby burrow
stone current
just not rly stored or favorited
vocal shard
I haven't talked in here for almost a year WOW
stone current
vapid musk
Ah, okay, got it ^^
I was looking for disabled settings, like "Prevent avatar cloning" instead of "Allow avatar cloning" for some reason 😛
orchid relic
Anyone else get random messages on reddit all of a sudden from a ton of spam users along the lines of "Your friend is destroying VR community" ?
No clue wtf this is or who...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
velvet quarry
Haven't received anything here atleast.
Something about the VRChat subreddit?
vapid musk
It's probably because I joined the game xD
Just kidding, but people seem to behave a little, well, agressive towards me from time to time 😛
ruby burrow
Hah. Damnit Jack, you're tearing us apart! : P
heavy dawn
@vapid musk Yeah... that'll happen sometimes. If it's too aggressive you can report.
On the plus side, there's some really wholesome fun to have too. Some peopel are really nice. ❤
sly nexus
People are so hostile :[
polar elm
Not in vrc, great people inside
tacit plank
People like being dicks to furries
tacit plank
And some veterans are really salty, especially if you say something bad about the screen shaders that they downloaded off of that webside and didn't put any work into
Besides that, people seem cool. Some are loud or dumb, but they mean well
velvet quarry
They're going to hear me complain about their screenspace shaders and they're going to like it
stone current
xd
tacit plank
Are mods immune to votekicks? I was kicked once for doing that
stone current
some of them r like 'vrchat is the crappiest thing ever' and always complainng but used vrcat for liek 3 yrs
velvet quarry
Not sure about ingame moderators, but us "Chat mods" don't have any ingame related perks or anything.
I do feel that might fit as a "malicious votekick" however :v
stone current
ingame mods also bypass any kind of safety settings
tacit plank
Oh, can I report such cases?
stone current
wat cases
tacit plank
And I'm fine with that, as long as they don't join my private worlds again.
Malicious kicks
stone current
o
velvet quarry
I'm not entirely familiar, but if people were votekicking repeatedly for the sake of being malicious, I feel it'd be worth a report personally.
heavy dawn
I mean, VRChat is kind-of junky. But it's also honestly a wonderful platform to create and play for. it can be both. 😄
tacit plank
Alright, I will keep in mind. And good point, you can compare it with the internet a bit
heavy dawn
Something so complex and open is bound to contain multitudes.
tacit plank
So many great things, so many bad things
heavy dawn
Some design decisions are like : give your head a shake, but on second examination you can see why they were made.
stoic halo
how the fuck does testing labs work
ive read the article and i dont understand
like its super unclear
rigid crescent
New world's go there before getting approved.
stoic halo
so is the old system going away?
rigid crescent
Eventually new world's won't have to go there if the creator is a good apple. They'll just be auto published.
ruby burrow
It's not finished yet, but the general gist as far as I understood it, is basically community rated worlds. Sort of.
You upload a world to it, and it's public right away, but only shown in the labs section.
If enough people use and enjoy it, it will go to fully public. The more the faster.
stoic halo
and is it replacing the old method
ruby burrow
If something is wrong with it, visitors can report on this, which may prevent it going public until fixed, or may get it removed from the community labs.
lime umbra
i would love to see users have to option to reject unoptimized models from even loading on their side... models rated poor or ones made with modified sdk...
stoic halo
the avatar performance thing isnt even accurate
you'll get poor for stupid things that won't even do anything
sly nexus
I have like 300 bones because I have crazy hair and a skirt.
rigid crescent
Yeah aecii you would be wrongly blocking tons of models. The rank is meant as s guideline
That's not an excuse. Merge bone weights.
stoic halo
like i have a 6k poly model
modern sand
You absolutely don't need 300 bones 
modern sand
Medium is fine
stoic halo
yeah but it doesn't make sense tbh
sly nexus
Have you tried mat combiner
sly nexus
I usually have a couple because I need a separate one for the blush and maybe for a glowing part
vocal shard
I prefer my steaks Medium Rare, but ok
stone current
medium well bc yum yum 4 doggo
vocal shard
rigid crescent
Glowing doesn't need a separate material if you emission map tho
sly nexus
Medium well is best burger
stoic halo
i prefer to hear my steak squeal in pain as i try to eat it
stone current
medium well wit lotsa butta
sly nexus
Ive never done that, always used a separate mat and enabled emission
vocal shard
You’re weird leah
rigid crescent
Well 300 transforms is definitely terrible for an Avatar you use in public. Just merge weights.
ruby burrow
I generally consider medium a sensible and reasonable goal for a typical avatar, with good or excellent something to go for if you can within reason.
rigid crescent
And mapping emissions lowers materials.
lime umbra
mm is it possible for a crasher to affect you even if their avatar is set to off?
stoic halo
my current model is poor
sly nexus
What do you do for emission mapping? Draw a layer mask essentially?
stoic halo
because of dynamic bones
vocal shard
Get it a job
ruby burrow
It's also courteous to have a highly optimal avatar available as a side option, and know when to switch to it.
rigid crescent
Not if they're using shaders or particles to crash you
sly nexus
Thats why I disable shaders and particles on non-friends
rigid crescent
Why?
sly nexus
Nobody can lag weapon then
stoic halo
or just disable custom animations
rigid crescent
Everyone looks like trash if you do that. Disable animations.
stoic halo
like i did for non friends
stone current
i got safety off cuz ima k00l kid
ruby burrow
@sly nexus Yeah, for emission mapping you basically draw over a texture marking glowing areas as white and non glowing areas as black.
stoic halo
i cant stand cancer models that distort my screen and shit
lime umbra
yeah i used to have safety off... till those penguins came around.
stone current
if u turn off anims they cant use gesture or emote override
lime umbra
now i just block on sight because grrr
stoic halo
idrc tbh
sly nexus
But then I cant see the ahegao ;(
stone current
i hide avatar unless person is complet nob then i report and block
ruby burrow
You can also fade between black/white for soft glow, or draw colour directly onto the map if you want more control than the basic emission colour option grants you.
rigid crescent
I'd rather not see broken and fall back shader avatars lol
sly nexus
Eh, I dont mind green plastic models. Reminds me of de toy soldiers
ruby burrow
Emission mapping can be very nice, and actually gives you greater control than just assigning an entire material to do it would.
sly nexus
I see
stone current
emission mapping also best not just for emission
but for the glow effect around glowing stuff
lime umbra
emissions mapping sounds like something i want to learn about.
ruby burrow
Transparency and such still requires it's own material in most cases though I believe?
stone current
like instead of have glowing eyes only
stoic halo
my eyes glow
stone current
u can have glowing eyes and little glow around the eyes
stoic halo
i like it in maps where my model dissapears
stone current
from emission map
stoic halo
my friends would just follow my eyes
sly nexus
Why would I want glowy eyes
stoic halo
cause it can be cute
ruby burrow
@lime umbra It's probably the easiest form of texture mapping to do honestly.
sly nexus
I added glow to shoes with particle trails
stone current
specular/metallic mapping is aids
ruby burrow
Since you just duplicate your existing texture, and start filling sections or airbrushing onto it.
lime umbra
i need a tutor/sempai or someone who would not mind teaching me 3d texturing magics.
rigid crescent
Just watch YouTube videos.
stone current
^
rigid crescent
No one here will teach you betters thsn them I can guarantee that
ruby burrow
Lit shadless? Do you mean ones that are lit at all times, or ones that use the world lighting? ^ ^;
sly nexus
Lit means it will take world lighting into account
ruby burrow
The terms can be awkward.
stone current
bork
ruby burrow
Ok, right, you meant it the correct way. (I've heard people get it backwards often)
rigid crescent
Most are made by people with real blender and unity knowledge outside of the few tools we use for vrchat avatars. There's also plenty of vrchat specific tutorials too
ruby burrow
And nah, it won't conflict with lit shaders.
Since you just black out everything you don't want to have emission.
ruby burrow
You might have noticed previously, how if you put a regular texture atlas into the emission slot, it results in an "unlit" sort of effect.
That's only because it's still a bright texture. Makes everything glow in the colours it uses.
sly nexus
I noticed that I had to add the face texture to color masking for the blush to look correct
broken sail
Guys is it just me or can we update our(public) worlds and they stay public even if we are not participating in any beta?
tacit plank
Huh, that works? I just used a non-toon shader. Normal "fade" seems to work great for blush
stone current
typically fade anything has depth buffer issues
and it might make some things overlap themselves but its good if that doesnt happen
tacit plank
You learn something new every day it seems. Is there a simple solution to blushes?
stone current
ya emission and fade
but if u turn ur whole model 2 fade for example u will prob see many issues
cutouts fine tho
ruby burrow
Emission isn't ideal since you end up glowing in the dark.
Which makes it unreliable and weird looking in various lighting conditions.
warped cargo
Hey guys, I'm not exactly new but I'm wondering if my issue is common or what, turns out that when I open the client and stays running for some time, both CPU and GPU usage get insanely increased the more time I spend on the current session
Is this normal?
fluid ibex
Hey guys i'm new to vrchat and after a while i'm not able to join any other worlds if someone can help me thx ( the only thing i can join is the hub )
median basalt
Can we get those larens avatars out of public already
It's been months and they're still up, had to hide 10 of them today
5000 dynamic bone collision checks
vestal warren
VRCHAT Has memes in the emojis
austere tapir
oh no
velvet quarry
Think that one is a bit more of a direct reference to the user Brochacho
tranquil perch
brochacho is a meme 😛
vestal warren
sly nexus
Thats why you have to set blush as a separate material, and in my case I use cubed’s shaders so I set it to flat lit toon fade on the blush. The color correction texture just made the blush color more vibrant as the texture alone felt a little low contrast
velvet quarry
Brochacho is a friend tho
vestal warren
oh my
tranquil perch
speaking of which, does he still play? i havent run into him in a while
velvet quarry
I figure the "emotes" in the discord is perhaps due for a bit of a cleanup
vestal warren
OH NO
velvet quarry
I usually see him on yeah, I don't tend to join on him as of late though.
vestal warren
I think some of the emojis need updates
cause some of them are still the old emojis
umbral reef
A bit? Man only emote that really gets used non ironic is the 
one 👀
rigid crescent
@median basalt I say we get them back into publics with the new and improved community lab!
queen mango
Umm.. Which emojis?
umbral reef
From this server...
queen mango
Yeah.. I was thinking the smiley emojis would have to go
Dunno about the "vrprint" emoji though, no-one uses it much
"5.6" emote should be replaced by "2017.4" emote(?)
velvet quarry
3d printers were a bit more relevant back in the day
5.6 became a bit of a "meme" back in the day, the big update everyone was waiting on that seemingly was never arriving, basically how Udon is these days
queen mango
Huh, so it is.. "Portal" is basically just a borrowed Discord emoji, I believe
Nvm.. it's just in here
Zircron's and Evolved's emotes need a refresh, too
Aside from those, everything else is fine
fluid ibex
can someone pls help me ?
queen mango
What's the issue? If it's avatars, there are several channels in the "Development" list
fluid ibex
i can't join any worlds
queen mango
I seem to have the same kind of issue. Could it be slow internet connection?
fluid ibex
idk
queen mango
Try checking your Internet speeds.
fluid ibex
it's not that bad so idk why it's doing that
umbral reef
Can we get udon't emote 👀 ?
fluid ibex
uuuhhh now i have a big problem
fluid ibex
i can't join any servers like i said before and now i can't even go in the default spawn
fluid ibex
-_-
ornate cobalt
1am, wanted to play vrchat, controller battery low 
weary bison
@fluid ibex go through the steps in #vrchat-support before emailing support@vrchat.com
full salmon
Brb
vocal shard
PILLLL
How’s it going, before you leave us for another 18 years?
Going well. About to get some chinese food for lunch/dinner/yeah my eating schedule is messed up
normal mantle
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native kestrel
0-0
native kestrel
about what
warped bear
Does anyone know how to fix frame rate? I've been playing Vrchat for over a year but all of a sudden when I load in and try to play max I get is like 5 frames. I've tried the thing where you shift click play and change it to desktop slow but nothing's worked so far. Everything else on my laptops fine like other games it's just vrchat
chrome ridge
try to clear the cache
rigid crescent
probably audio device related
warped bear
Clearing cache now. I'll check this audio device thing. Thank you
meager wraith
o
zinc silo
So dose anyone know what the absolute minimum system requirements are for vr chat?
covert linden
@zinc silo with VR?
stoic halo
low requirements if you are Desktop
my boyfriend's pc that can barely even run Chrome can play it
rigid crescent
they're on the steam page
zinc silo
No
covert linden
Then what leah said stands
stone current
add bad shaders and many players and bye bye playability
covert linden
Yeah 0fps
zinc silo
Lol
brisk path
So, this is a problem i just started to experience but when i get on i get a message saying discconected and its been happening all day. why is this happening
covert linden
Whats your ping
brisk path
um whats that
covert linden
Go into the game and hit escape, its the number at the bottom corner of the menu thatll be around 90-500+
brisk path
ok lemme go try to see it
ancient prairie
hey does anyone know why my frames drop down to liek 20 when i join a pug room
it gets pretty rough
covert linden
@ancient prairie the pug is very unoptimized.
The pug is also full of bad shaders particles etc
brisk path
so i went to look at it but it immedietly said disconected
velvet quarry
Owlboy's put pretty decent effort into optimizing The Great Pug, it's more frequently about the avatars that people choose to use in a world that causes framerate problems.
brisk path
ok so i saw it and its 24
covert linden
Wahts the number above that
brisk path
?
covert linden
I lose frames when I enter the pug in its own little room
24 is your fps not ping.
There should be another number either above or below that
brisk path
oh must have look at wrong think
covert linden
Itll be a higher number
brisk path
ill chec again
covert linden
brisk path
i actually did but no one answered me
brisk path
a VPN? is that something you download? sorry if this is something most people know i havent used VRChat in like 1-2 months
ancient prairie
@covert linden ty
i'm gonna hop on vr chat if anyone wants to join i'd be more than happy to add you 
spring pollen
important question
Yall know Sombie's escape right? The world
I NEED the music playlists from there
theyre so goooooood
lucid sierra
Hello? Can anybody help me with something? Is anyone here familiar with Xenoverse 2 meshes?
warped bear
Someone said something about an audio device affecting the frames on Vrchat, I've cleared cache but its still at the same frame rate. Tried re-installing but nothing worked
paper cloak
I can't imagine why your audio device would cause fps issues
warped bear
idk either someone just said something along those lines
covert linden
Its either the new vrchat update or having 2 audio devices
New window updatee not vr
ashen adder
get a better pc lmao
warped bear
Wait, audio devices, I be confused
covert linden
@ashen adder the windows updare makes alll pcs lag ingame
covert linden
Lol im too old for that
queen mango
When was the update rolled out? I've been looking for it in hopes of uninstalling it
warped bear
I don't really know if this has anything to do with it but is it bad that on task manager it says 100% disk? Disk usage perhaps
ashen adder
for me
task manager always fails to actually recognize when something fully closes
so i have to go More Details then Less Details
how do they fuck that up
warped bear
My task manager doesn't respond
It dies
AIGHT, I fixed it btw. It was a second audio device (voice meter) Thank you
vocal shard
hey so can someone help with why my avatar is keeps spreading its legs when standing]
stone current
u sure its 100% tposed in the humanoid thingy config
small wing
Whats the email for moderation again?
rigid crescent
small wing
Just had someone bypass animations and follow me in game everywhere asking if he could steal my avatar and im really scared to play
thanks
small wing
also how do i find the most recent output log?
rigid crescent
Knowing the email is meaningless unless you follow the steps, so makes more sense to check there.
rigid crescent
Why are you scared? LOL
ornate pawn
ur reporting a user for no reason
rigid crescent
it's literally a videogame, what's he gonna do? Like realistically.
small wing
Bypassed animations in safety settings with an obnoxious screen grab shader
ornate pawn
uh no
small wing
And followed me in game everywhere i went
ornate pawn
no one has that yet pal
rigid crescent
Uh, what
rough pulsar
Bypassing animations, harassment and possibly more? At least block them
ornate pawn
all that got patched
small wing
I couldn't see my menu @rough pulsar
ornate pawn
thats over render
small wing
and i was too scared so i left
ornate pawn
lol
rigid crescent
Scared of?...
queen mango
What the.. how did he do that?
ornate pawn
ur a coward
queen mango
@small wing the output log should still be there
ornate pawn
there is no point in an output log he didnt crash u
rigid crescent
You act like crashing is the only thing against t he rules in this game
small wing
Lmao who is this guy?
rigid crescent
Some potato, seems like
queen mango
ornate pawn
the output log wont do anything
rigid crescent
It proves the user was there, when, etc. It shows them following you. Shows plenty.
small wing
I'm not listening to you @ornate pawn 😏
rigid crescent
I mean there's nothing wrong with reporting a user for a perceived infraction. They'll just look into it and if they did break a rule, they'll take action. If not, nothing will happen.
ornate pawn
@small wing idc
rigid crescent
and this is the point where Elire does something, right?
right?
Anyway, there's really nothing wrong with sending in a report if you think someone is doing something wrong, which it definitely sounds like they were.
ornate pawn
u have problems
rigid crescent
Worst case scenario it gets thrown out. That's it.
ornate pawn
no
Ooof, later m8
queen mango
🤔
rigid crescent
From how it sounds though they definitely did something bannable lol
zinc solar
Hey it's mic soundzaski
rigid crescent
lol ok harassment isnt bannable
nor is using exploits. users not on your friends list shouldn't be able to follow you to other locations
ornate pawn
harassing people isnt bannable
rigid crescent
But either way, it's a better safe than sorry deal.
zinc solar
It is with video evidence
queen mango
@ornate pawn It is
ornate pawn
a public ban
rigid crescent
Harassment
Repeatedly approaching an individual with the intent to disturb or upset.
Going through other individuals and channels such as social media to continue to harass an individual after being blocked.
Reporting maliciously on our mod report form.
rigid crescent
🤔
zinc solar
You can still get reported in private lobbies
rough pulsar
@ornate pawn Harassing people is against the rules of both vrchat and this discord. Stop saying it's less than it is and not an offence.
rigid crescent
lol way to oversimplify.
ornate pawn
there is a block button for a reason
rigid crescent
"Officer, this man robbed me at gunpoint!"
"All I did was ask for his wallet..."
So because there's a block button, nothing is against the rules, right?
That's your smoothbrain logic?
queen mango
Look.. I dunno if you've ever checked the rules, but from the looks of it, you're not one to pay attention to what's right and what's wrong.
rigid crescent
I'm not, im comparing your oversimplification to another stupid oversimplification
Not comparing the severity
sterile drift
Yo hold up what's going on here
rigid crescent
He followed him around. He harassed him repeatedly with the screengrab shader.
And possibly bypassed Shield settings
ornate pawn
someone reporting someone for asking to clone their avatar @sterile drift
sterile drift
Doubt
rigid crescent
Luckily Eevee isn't an idiot and doesn't believe that lol
sterile drift
LOL
ornate pawn
you cant bypass saftey
queen mango
Wut
sterile drift
Nah I'm an idiot, I just don't believe it anyway
ornate pawn
safety
rigid crescent
Bypassed animations in safety settings with an obnoxious screen grab shader
Just had someone bypass animations and follow me in game everywhere asking if he could steal my avatar and im really scared to play
That's what he's saying happened.
ornate pawn
there is no client that does that
small wing
We can drop it now guys. My issue is solved.
rigid crescent
People have bypassed safety settings plenty lol
small wing
No need to argue over pointless stuff.
ornate pawn
not anymore
rigid crescent
Nah, people spreading misinformation is just as big of an issue.
Harassment is reportable. Period.
ornate pawn
there are no clients for that yet
rigid crescent
Just because you have tools to prevent it does not make it ok.
ornate pawn
?
covert linden
Theres a client where they can force you to change avatars and doing so crashes you
rigid crescent
Even if he didn't bypass him, he still used the shader to harass him
covert linden
Ive heard of that one before
ornate pawn
not anymore
thats old stuff
the shader thing isnt bannable like i said its probably not his avatar
the avatar will be deleted
small wing
Does any chat mods here know where i can find the usernames of people who have recently joined me in game via the output logs? I need to block the person who was following me around.
rigid crescent
Using it to harass is bannable.
sterile drift
Using a shader to harass someone, that's next level. I just use my voice like everyone else lmao
ornate pawn
its like you guys never played vrc