#vrchat-general-2

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cursive skiff
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Who dares give me them horn touchies tonight?

modern sand
cursive skiff
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I’m asking people to chill tonight in a different way but alright.

carmine nebula
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Question

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Would an i7-7700 be a decent processor for VR?

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With 8GB ram

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1050 GTX

desert pewter
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I mean gtx 1050 u want like a 1060

carmine nebula
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This desktop is a 1050. They didn't have a 1060

lime umbra
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@patent nest Did you get the updating issue sorted? I know i had a similar problem when using viveport. Update released but it was not available on viveport yet... so i was behind on update version. Removing viveport and going with steam-only solved the issue for me. Have not looked back at viveport since.

sly nexus
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thats like just under the minimum

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minimum for VR is 1050Ti

carmine nebula
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I don't think that's the minimum

desert pewter
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Buy a 1060

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And put it in the pc

sly nexus
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check vive/oculus's sites

carmine nebula
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I don't use either of those

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Lol...

desert pewter
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What u using then

sly nexus
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Vive is 1050Ti, rift is 1060

carmine nebula
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WMR

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Because I can't afford expensive VR

desert pewter
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U probly still need a 1050ti

carmine nebula
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Nope

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Minimum said 960 GTX

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I'm in the middle

carmine nebula
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That's for ultra PCs

sly nexus
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no

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scroll down more

carmine nebula
desert pewter
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Go buy a 1050ti and put it in

sly nexus
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theres a table

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keep in mind also that those are the MINIMUM requirements to even run it

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and I assume by ultra they just mean a more powerful pc

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because standard is 60Hz, ultra is 90Hz framerate

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You want 90Hz

carmine nebula
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Hmm

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The processor says 3.6GHz

sinful folio
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any good channel to hang out? currently in breakup mode

covert linden
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@sinful folio aww you ok?

sinful folio
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my ignorance lead to a quarrel and inveitiable block from my friend group

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@covert linden tq for asking

covert linden
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You can talk to me in dms if you need<3

sinful folio
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dms?

covert linden
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Like messagws

sinful folio
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i thinking that i might find a good channel to hang out

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sorry about my ignorance since i dont know much about internet trend or meme thingy

ruby burrow
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I use a 960 myself, and it's usable for most VR games so far, but does require lowered settings for the majority of them. It has noticeably struggled on couple of games (Gun Heart being one example). I've still been able to play them, but it does degrade the experience.

carmine nebula
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I know a handful of games like cpu more too

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Like

ruby burrow
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Based on those benchmarks placing the 1050 a fair bit below the 960, I'd definitely recommend trying to find something more up to the task.

carmine nebula
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Oof

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They only had a 1050 that i could make payments

ruby burrow
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A 1060 or equivalent would be the ideal entry point I reckon. Or failing that, the 1050ti out performs my 960, so would do the job if you can find that.

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Maybe an old 960 if you happen to find one exceptionally cheap somewhere.

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This is a pre-built PC you're talking about right? Does it say what the power supply is?

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Because upgrading later is always an option, but only if the PSU is up to the task.

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Lower spec prebuilts tend to cut corners wherever they think they can get away with it.

digital prism
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I used to use a 1050ti, paired with a semi decent CPU it's good

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It's way faster than a 1050

rare mural
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hey i just got a idea but i wanna know if it would work

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instead of trying and failing on alterative methods

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would it be possible to just dowload windows 10 normal on a mac

digital prism
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isn't that an alternative method itself?

rare mural
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i ment like going and looking at gforce now and other things

digital prism
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if your mac has enough space for windows

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at least 25 gb is recommended to install windows but you probably want way more than 25

vocal shard
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You right

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You probably want a PC

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That’s a lot more than just 25GB amirite

cursive skiff
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@vocal shard know anyone with fbt that’s a bro?

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Cause I need to see what if any models I have are fbt ready

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Don’t wanna waste the money if nothing I have will work

ruby burrow
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Are these your own avatars, or do you mean public ones you can't edit?

rigid crescent
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you could always just make it work?

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i mean you're spending possible 300 bucks, what's like 30 minutes of work?

vocal shard
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wut

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i literally just said stuff on vrc website for avatars mods already has fbt

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thats a big thonk

inner cape
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just make something that works GWumuMHX

ruby burrow
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@cursive skiff
The general thing with FBT, is that there's effectively various levels of being "FBT ready". From least to most ready, it goes roughly like this...
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>Incompatible: Doesn't work at all, typically due to some problem such as hips inverting or body proportions simply not remotely resembling human.
>Ankle FBT: Will work fine with trackers worn on upper ankles, but cannot use foot tracking due to proportions not allowing it (usually because of overly long anime style legs). The majority of avatars do still work at this level, even without special FBT adjustments. You will however notice imperfections such as not being able to lie flat on the ground.
>Foot FBT: Will work with trackers worn on feet, allowing you to rotate and twist your feet. May take some playspace/player height adjustments during lock-in to work. The closer to realistic proportions, the more likely an avatar will have this. Adjustments can result in the shoulder swinging bug though, depending on how much is needed.
>Fully personalised FBT: This is an avatar that you have personally measured and adjusted to fit your own personal limb proportions exactly. It will allow your playspace floor to line up with the virtual floor perfectly for all trackers, meaning you never clip or float when sitting or laying down. This is something you can only practically do yourself.

prisma plover
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Fully personalised FBT requires some high amount of patience and dedication to make.

ruby burrow
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Mhmm. Is tricky. I'm still tweaking my own attempt at it.
Although ironically, I discovered that a generic Kanna model with some slight adjustments happens to fit me and work almost perfectly, despite not having any of the normal FBT fixes applied.

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It's actually kind of frustrating just how well it works via pure fluke. ^ ^;

hollow umbra
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When your body type is that of a loli dragon girl FeelsBadMan

prisma plover
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Kanna's legs are pretty short. That might explains it.

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Like 50/50 torso/legs ratio.

ruby burrow
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Mhmm. Pretty sure that's it. Despite her obviously weird proportions, the actual limb to torso length ratio is surprisingly far closer to realistic ratios than most anime style avatars.

hollow umbra
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Most anime characters usually have long ass legs

prisma plover
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TDA is like 65 % legs 35 % torso or something. 😅

hollow umbra
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Because big eyes and long legs are attractive according to a few studies

cursive skiff
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@ruby burrow Hmm well damn alright thanks for the help man

queen ferry
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pokemon

vocal shard
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Where do I go to contact a mod? o: just pm?

rigid crescent
vocal shard
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Thank youuu

graceful timber
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Everyone is freaking out because tupper and vrpill are "demoted" im pretty sure they just had the decision to make everyone even. Nobody is of greater importance in the vrchat team. They are a team so they should not be marked separately or a above eachother.

covert linden
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who is freaking out, I havent heard a single mention of it

subtle prawn
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lol

flat charm
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But why though?

ruby burrow
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"News just in. Community Manager demoted to same rank as CEO."

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Not that I've actually heard any complaints.

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But anyone that is, hasn't a clue what they're talking about. :v

rigid crescent
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lol that was a funny post

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literally never heard anyone mention them being 'demoted', nor are they all equal

astral night
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I wish the devs would add some more favorites spots. I can NEVER just have 16. I always find another i like and i have to sacrifice another. qwq But, i guess you live and learn.

rapid jolt
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...meh, as long as the game is still working I could care less who is admin and who isn't

rigid crescent
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I mean, they started with 3 favorites til just a few months ago

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Yeah, the admin thing is just funny because most people don't actually know tupper or anyone's else's job, lots of people seem to think he's like the main guy on the team lol

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"tupper banned me" "tupper add this!" etc

prisma plover
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Do they get a paycheck for being here ?

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If so, I'd call it a "job".

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If not, call it "volunteering"

rigid crescent
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i mean, they get paid because they're employed by vrchat

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so i would hope they're paid lol

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It's not against the law to check if you're using a modded client also I don't think tupper bans people lol

prisma plover
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Bans can be contested by contacting moderation.

rigid crescent
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Classic Tupper: iM nOt On MoDeRaTiOn StAfF gUyS

umbral ivy
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Yeah well who the hell is cause they're horrible

rigid crescent
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They actually can ban people without proof, also.

umbral ivy
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Yeah and its messed up

rigid crescent
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It's in this and most Terms of Service that they can ban you for literally anything they want, even for no reason, though I doubt there was no reason.

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But I'm pretty sure it's easy for them to detect a modded client if they're actually looking for it

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and definitely not against the law

vocal shard
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Him Tupper you 1 month

stoic halo
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when im playing seated and switch to standing to crouch, why the hell cant my model look up?

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it like locks parallel to the ground if i try to

ruby burrow
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The ironic timing here is too funny. 12 minutes before Lisa posted... Mic was litterally just saying...
"Yeah, the admin thing is just funny because most people don't actually know tupper or anyone's else's job, lots of people seem to think he's like the main guy on the team lol
"tupper banned me" "tupper add this!" etc"

rigid crescent
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yeah, i thought it was great but pointing it out myself felt too easy lol

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Tupper: "Welcome to another VRChat developer update. I'm not a fucking dev nor am I on the moderation team. Thank you. This concludes another VRChat developer update."

prisma plover
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The End. 😆

ruby burrow
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@stoic halo The reason for that is probably because it's had the full body fix applied to it. It's a small side effect that prevents the neck acting normally when crouched and not actually using FBT.

stoic halo
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It doesnt have the full body fix.

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This is my model and suddenly i am unable to look upwards when set to standing

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i was able to look up just fine yesterday

ruby burrow
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Oh. In that case then... I haven't a clue. '-'

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Just sounded exactly like the effects of it, when applied in Blender.

gloomy valve
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question. are we able to search for our friends in vrchat if we have yet to add them?

prisma plover
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Yeah you can do a user search. You go in the social tab ingame and there's a search thingy at top right.

gloomy valve
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sweet, thank you!

mystic vapor
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hello is there a way to configure the Gamepad Vertical Sensibility it is very slow but the horizontal is normal speed?

stiff tree
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Does anybody have experience with using the Oculus and having full body track using specifically the Kinect 2.0 (Xbox One version)

lost minnow
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What about it?

stiff tree
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Is it worth getting an Kinect 2.0 over a 360 Kinect?

unborn hemlock
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how do i get avatars

urban jasper
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Find an avatar world, look for one you like, and click on the pedestal.

stone current
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i mean its a bit more expensive

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but theyre both relatively cheap

vocal shard
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you just get avatars

stone current
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also it probably a given that the newer one be more updated and better tracking

vocal shard
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It's not that hard man, you said how to get an avatar, which is to get an avatar

still lark
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@rigid crescent They do get paid, all of them.

wicked mirage
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Hey, since the last vrchat update, mirrors have been making my frame rate tank in vr

inner cape
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when weren't they

rigid crescent
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I know they do, was responding to someone asking if they got paid

wicked mirage
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I wasn't having it this bad until the last update, like drops 10 or more fps

inner cape
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I dunno chief, I doubt it's a an actual consistent issue

rigid crescent
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that's pretty normal for mirrors, usually way more than that

inner cape
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mhm

rigid crescent
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are you saying you were sitting at 90fps with mirrors on?

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or you mean it's dropping 10 or more fps than normal

wicked mirage
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More than before

rigid crescent
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oooh

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you can try putting it as a bug report on the canny, see if anyone else has hte issue

tawdry hinge
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Any of you having VRC freeze straight after opening it everytime?

cold talon
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Oof the peps that got 9 fps before, now get -1 fps

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Vrc in reverse oh

inner cape
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they go back in gameplay

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they play the game in reverse

prisma plover
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I played so much FBT VRChat today the Vive trackers ran out of batteries...

subtle prawn
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That's typical FBT playtime thinking

inner cape
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sounds about right

prisma plover
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People joined us in building houses with markers, it was fun. Posted one in #vrchat-pictures. 😅

clever latch
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Where the fuck do I post memes?

queen mango
clever latch
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Fuck now I feel like a degenerate

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I dont wanna anymore

inner cape
prisma plover
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@inner cape Oh btw Ghosto, I don't forget you. We will eventually meet up again ingame. Maybe I just need a little beer to remove a little bit of shyness, that's all. 😅

inner cape
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you're that scared of me

umbral reef
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Ghosto isbverry scarry

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Always looks angry

inner cape
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correct

still frigate
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big

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meaty

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claws

queen mango
inner cape
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what

vocal shard
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hello

light sequoia
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@dusky gate are you tthe real one?

stoic halo
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who. lol

graceful heart
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i have a question. Is nazi avatars allowed in vrchat? Where is even Hitler hate speech.

stone current
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no

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i mean they can be used but reportable

graceful heart
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Hmm, so im gonna say that there is player named ''BigBarryTheBruiser'' Who is just using these nazi avatars. If you see him. Just report.

steep turret
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are they Nazis or from Wolfenstein. he's either a prick or he enjoys the game models.

umbral reef
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both have the same symbols so...

graceful heart
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He is saying, that he is jewish

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like wtf 😄

dark narwhal
umbral reef
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Doesnt change the fact its against the rules. Do as others said, report and move on. Dont give him the attention he wants.

vocal shard
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shalom

steep turret
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ah, then he's just a prick.

true sky
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@graceful heart no

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Same as pepe avatars and bed sheet inc avatars arent allowede

stone current
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ye not allowed so report if u find necessary

steep turret
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bed sheet inc?

stone current
true sky
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I'm nit going to say the clan name

steep turret
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oh

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I'm fuckin dumb lmfao

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not awake yet folks lol

stoic halo
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i still find pepe not being allowed goofy but ByakuyaShrug

viscid seal
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any new worlds out this week that are worth visiting in a large group btw?

vocal shard
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Idk what this is. But I agree with it

atomic swallow
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An image or an model isn't hate speech though...

stone current
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well yea it is sorta

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like wearing a kkk outfit 4 example

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not saying anything but thats not exactly inoffensive

atomic swallow
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It isn't. It's the ideology behind it. Not the image itself.

stone current
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well yea

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but either way not allowd

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but wym about that anyways

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if i tell off some1s race

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its about ethics

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not the words

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its still hate speech

heavy dawn
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What does it cost you to avoid doing things that you know might harm someone, anyway? Pretty much nothing. 😛

vocal shard
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Henlo

worldly yarrow
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Yep, so true

cobalt geode
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I'd argue that thinking a cartoon frog can harm anyone is obnoxious...
You can put any ideology behind anything then... So if someone starts saying "Kancolle models support nazis because Japan was on Axis side in WW2 and allied with nazis closely"
Are we to ban Kancolle models (making many players' lose their avatars) (especially many Japanese and Asian players use edited Kancolle models)?
Or simply someone will come up and say "Vocaloids are all underage, it supports Hebephilia" will you agree with the fact that it is and let them take away your fun that doesn't harm anyone?
What if some person comes and says "Furries imply zoophilia, which should be banned." Say goodbye to most of the playerbase of this game. It's foolish. I can understand Hitler and KKK to a degree but not Pepe.

umbral reef
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I suggest instead of ranting in a discord what will not solve anything that you atleast make a canny.io post about it. There they will atleast look at it and others can also voice there opinions. @cobalt geode

cobalt geode
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That wasn't a rant though.

rough pulsar
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Yeah. You can frame the argument in a variety of ways, but as it is now the rules are there and us chat mods will enforce it.

I personally agree that any symbol can be made to mean anything with the right techniques. For better or worse.

umbral reef
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Then feedback or complaint
Same still applies, here it's just going to vanish in the void of other msgs and won't ever get looked at.

reef hedge
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Anything can mean anything, but it's going a bit of a slippery slope fallacy with that argument

rough pulsar
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Kairos is right though, if you feel strong enough about it make a canny post about it or email the vrchat admin team.

cobalt geode
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It's not my problem if it vanishes, I don't care. I just made a point.

umbral reef
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Sadly the only way anything can change is if you follow the rules they set up for feedback. And that's the canny.io and or email.

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Just copying pasting the exact msg onto the canny.io will be better for your case.

cobalt geode
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I don't care about the status quo, I just made a point based on comments above me. Lmao.

pure hemlock
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Have the devs mentioned anything recently about the scripting stuff for worlds

dark narwhal
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Have the devs mentioned anything new since December?

vocal shard
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lool

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Hi

languid beacon
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VRChat will never get custom executable code, I can tell you that for sure. but I don't know if we'll have actual if logic / logic gate type stuff with udon

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i hope we do, but i know nothing about udon

warm turtle
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its been years at this point since they keep promising

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I'll be estastic if it ever comes, its been hinted multiple times and tried

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but going by history, you can judge if it will come or not

median basalt
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Ooh, did the frontpage get a makeover?

warm turtle
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hmm 🤔

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just did apparently

stone current
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imagine if vrchat made a limited/modified scripting language like SL lmao

reef hedge
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My dream is VRChat being like Warcraft 3 custom games: VR edition

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lemme play a moba where i become the character and use their abilities

umbral reef
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Heyyy they also atleast fixed the twitter and insta links

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Guess my canny actually did do something (im just going to claim that)

safe prism
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mojo, just use unity

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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the amount of effort required for you to just make the game you want in vrc is twice as much effort as just doing it in unity

tidal aspen
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yeah but if you don't make it in VRchat how will you get that VRchat clout

zenith kettle
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how do I do dances and stuff like everyone else is

reef hedge
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oh i'm not saying i want to make that Okano, I have no desire to make games myself, but I would happily play something like that

warm turtle
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You can basically simple games in vrchat, making complex games that don't break and are within vrchat's very limited logic is time consuming and
likely not worth a few months of development if the current vrchat mentality doesn't support maps that have passion and effort built into them.
It really just seems to be random luck and the will of the streamers.

umbral reef
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You guys should see what some japanese players make-

weary bison
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udon hype ⏰

umbral reef
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They have made some insane things with just the options we got right now... Cant wait for there worlds to happen with udon

weary bison
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there's a lot of creators I'm expecting cool things from when it ships

warm turtle
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hopefully, cause I have so many ideas to implement

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I can try implementing a pavlov system again, but its so janky if I try another 5 day little sleep spree on that map

tidal aspen
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I just want a way to have save data, even if we'd need to do some annoying hashing password thing

pastel dirge
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hi

weary bison
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yeah I'd love something like that too

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it's like the difference between the atari 2600 and the ps1

balmy flax
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I'm waiting in user-support.. but has anyone had issues with the Personal tab showing.. then disappearing to Public?

weary bison
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avatars?

balmy flax
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Trying to collect information on it

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Yeah

weary bison
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yeah it's kind of an ongoing issue, it'll come back if you reopen the avatar menu

balmy flax
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I have tried that multiple times.

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even logged out, back in and still nothing, exited the application opened it again, same thing

weary bison
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the personal row isn't showing up at all?

balmy flax
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Pretty much

weary bison
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whoa okay

balmy flax
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It shows at start of the application when I load into the world... but then flies off into thin air (Not actually flying or floating off screen) or something.. just disappears

weary bison
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if other people are getting the same issue it'll probably need a canny post

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sounds like it's related to the general glitchyness of the avatar menu

balmy flax
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sigh Another few days on waiting for support. The other issue I had was going to https://vrchat.com/discord took me to an error. ```json
{"error":"The endpoint you're looking for is not implemented by our system.","status_code":501}

weary bison
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the people handling support emails are cool, you'll get something back soon enough

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in the meantime there's the generic "something broke" stuff you can do like clearing the cache and reinstalling

umbral reef
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The last problem one is just a bad website link
Its not something on your side, they just forgot to link something when you click that.

balmy flax
umbral reef
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@balmy flax Also just to be sure, you are able to upload things right? its not like you deranked?

balmy flax
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I can upload things, just not showing in game

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as in, no personal tab

umbral reef
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Does it show up in the SDK within untiy?

balmy flax
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Yep

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Though Unity sometimes flips out logging me out and back in through the SDK settings menu all the time

vocal shard
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right version of unity and the sdk?

balmy flax
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Yep

rigid crescent
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wHich version of unity

balmy flax
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Latest

umbral reef
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Thats the wrong one fyi-

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You need 2017.4.15f1 as listed there

rigid crescent
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yeah, always better to ask "what version of unity do you have" and not "do you have the right one" because people think the one they have is the right one

stone current
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the point of vrchat unity is actually not 2 have the latest

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its kinda weird

rigid crescent
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there's people still on 5.6 that think they have the right one lol

stone current
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like most games u always want the latest version of whatever

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but for this u have 2 have an exact and outdated version

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y dont they upgrade 2 the newest 2017 version tho

umbral reef
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Tbh- One of the main reasons im making the blog is so i can just link that and dont have to rewrite everything ever again 😏

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Copy paste that shit and let them solve it on there own

stone current
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they said they upgrade to LTS bc long term support

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so y they not keep game updated with unity

balmy flax
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  1. Please ensure you're using Unity 2017.4.15f1. Download the latest version here: https://vrchat.com/download/sdk Another thing is.. it says download the latest version here, but the link is to the SDK so it could hecking confuse new users
covert linden
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The latest version of the sdk

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Also that just made me download the sdk to my phone

balmy flax
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LOL

pastel dirge
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how many days does support take to respond?

rigid crescent
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there's no set time

umbral reef
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Differs loads.
Can be a few hours or a few days

pastel dirge
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because by that time the issue might solve itself like last time but i still want to know a solution to this problem

rigid crescent
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could be in like an hour or two could be in a few days

pastel dirge
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this the 3rd time within 30 days it happens

rigid crescent
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well, even if it solves itself, they're aware of the issue at least somewhat more especailly with the logs

pastel dirge
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i send the 15 logs, 1 of them was of the time i logged as my alt account

runic zealot
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Hi

urban jasper
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Hi

vocal shard
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Henlo

prisma plover
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I wonder... ever seen some dishes / glassware in VRChat that you could easily stack like a waiter do without everything falling over when you move with everything in your hands ? The PUG seems to have stuff that simply cannot be carried around stacked. 🤔

stone current
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i mean u can do that hacc where u

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attach stuff to it or do a model swap

umbral oracle
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Have you tried simple box colliders around each object?

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You might be able to play around with the friction settings of the physics material you are using

stone current
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yea but the thing is

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it can phase thru the collider also

rough pulsar
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Part of the problem with moving while carrying stuff is vrchat's movement system, which usually is a 0 to moving in 0 seconds kind of thing.

umbral oracle
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Ah so that applies an impluse

stone current
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i dont really know what causes the phasing thing

umbral oracle
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Phasing can appear to happen if different people own each object in the stack

stone current
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no but like

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even if u calc the objects physics

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if ur moving ur hand it tends to clip into and fall thru the object

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also y does the camera have a collider :(

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i tried using stream camera but the camera panel has a collider so i kept hitting it with things and it was annoying

umbral oracle
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The camera itself has a collider, not the panel afaik. I've seen people stack objects on it

prisma plover
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Didn't know the camera had collider 🤔

stone current
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na the panel does

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i know because i can move the camera thing away from it and the collision is up to the extents of the panel

umbral oracle
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Ah ok, then it's probably a local only collider

stone current
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yea

rough pulsar
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Yeah, now I think back to it I'm pretty sure it's the entire panel. I remember balancing a kebab on it and making a konnekting rod joke once.

stone current
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but i have no idea y thats a thing

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its cool for making things float but

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its not disablable so u can hit it accidentally

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i was trying to play the stick soccer game and was wondering y i couldnt hit anything

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and then realized the stream camera was blocking it

rough pulsar
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Time to file a bug report!

stone current
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i dont think its a bug

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dont u like have to put a collider in something to make it collide

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someone purposely put a collider in the camera panel..?

rough pulsar
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The camera is not meant to interact with the world around it. It's just the user and the camera, nothing else.

stone current
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all the individual buttons have a collider also

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at least i think they do

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but yea wouldnt they need a collider for that 2 be happening

rough pulsar
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The fact it interfered with normal expected behaviour makes it count as a bug for me.

stone current
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yea i expected it to go through everything

tacit plank
#

I think it's because you need a collider for triggers to work

stone current
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but idk who decided it should have colliders

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but cant u just use isTrigger

tacit plank
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onInteract does at least

stone current
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i dont see y needed or at least needed w/o isTrigger 00f

umbral oracle
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(I wish they upgraded the camera to a uipanel based system already)

rough pulsar
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Because we need more awkward laser pointing in our lives

stone current
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lol when it takes an entire minute to click that one button on the camera

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and re-clicking anything u accidentally clicked in the process

umbral oracle
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But almost every other ui is using them at this point and the camera is nested interactables

rough pulsar
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Yeah, and it's horrid

craggy orbit
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do people ask for commissions on this server?

stone current
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idk y gotta make them hitboxes so dam hard 2 use

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not rlly

umbral reef
stone current
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theres a vrc traders server

rough pulsar
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The cool thing about VR is you can do different and better kinds of input systems rather than just point and click

craggy orbit
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ok

umbral oracle
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Yeah i understand that. But you can have both: vrc has their ui shape script. They could make it detect sphere collision of finger bone instead of a raycast

rough pulsar
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Ah! Now that would be good!

umbral oracle
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If everything goes through ui panels it's uniform at least

stone current
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u mean like those typing worlds for example

rough pulsar
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We're in VR, we have (to an extent) our hands, let's use them as the way to interact and not some shit abstraction from decades ago.

stone current
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wat would be really cool is

umbral oracle
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object selection is a bit weird to use too. It was a challenge to do that 500 piece jugsaw puzzle in vrc

stone current
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if u could utilize shaders and particle stop action

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to make a mobile phone u can scroll and click/open apps on

umbral reef
#

Tbh id love to see something like the Powerstar VR menu

stone current
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terrible syncing

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but would be cool

umbral reef
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For real- VRC should look a lot more to other VR games for there UI
Loads of things people complain about are things other games already solved

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Let us slam big ass buttons with our hands in Vr GWsocksAngeryBob

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Its fun to do and easy

rough pulsar
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I quite like the ideas behind some of Rec Room's UI, which is based on actual actions or manipulating objects to do things. It has some shortcomings (like to mute yourself or another user, uses commonly used hand gestures so accidental mutes happen a lot)

stone current
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wait wat

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i have push to talk for rec room

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and i thougt u can only mute by talk to the hand

rough pulsar
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I hate PTT with the power of a million suns

stone current
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y

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i like it

umbral reef
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But an UI is sooo important to an game its kinda of insane VRchat has such a lot priority for it

rough pulsar
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The only physical action that should be connected to my speech is moving my mouth

stone current
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i just dont like using it in vrchat

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yea but like background noise and other people in the house

umbral oracle
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Vrc's video panel ui involves cooying and pasting using physical keyboard and muting yourself in the process

umbral reef
#

Factorio legit revamped how core game aspects worked to make it a better UI and UX with other core aspects... The game feels so much better again after the update even though i have thousands of hours into it

umbral oracle
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That's like so backwards for vr

stone current
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i kinda wish it would use the steam clipboard

rough pulsar
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That's why I shut the door and have my own spaces. I get some people don't/can't do that. I was saying that I personally hate PTT.

stone current
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u google a video on steam web browser

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and then copy to clipboard

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idk if u can do that in vr but

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anywho then u could paste from steam clipboard

rough pulsar
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Altspace did video player right. Panel in world, master control in a menu and a multi-user jukebox like system.

umbral oracle
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I understand most things in vrchat are the way they are because of the unity primitives

rigid crescent
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didn't all that good factorio stuff happen when they got a new lead

umbral reef
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Tbh id love to see a Plug.dj style video playlist system within VRchat one day

rigid crescent
#

i actually had someone telling me about that not too long ago

rough pulsar
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If webpanels hadn't been nuked I recall someone was trying to port that kind of system over to VRC.

rigid crescent
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actually i think it was 2 days ago

umbral oracle
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But webpanels arguably weren't vrchat content.

umbral reef
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@rigid crescent They had a project manager- There dev build sped up 10 fold
Now they are without one again and everything is just messy again. But the game is still super solid and good, its just getting even better and more for the normal user

ripe mist
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why is vrchat so fucked nothing works nothing loads

stone current
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yea its getting better

rough pulsar
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IDK how long you've been around but back in 5.3 webpanels were what the vrc video player ran in.

stone current
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but its still unreliably buggy for reasons

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lol

umbral reef
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Gallium the plug.dj style system or?

rigid crescent
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try asking in support because there could be a lot of reasons

ripe mist
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Why arent they fixing their dying game

stone current
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they are

rough pulsar
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Something else.

stone current
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just not that quickly

umbral reef
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@ripe mist Whats broken and fyi its not dying, its even growing!

stone current
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^

ripe mist
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nah its dying

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NOthing is loading worlds cant see where my friends are

stone current
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ok get a vr headset and fullbody then u can say its dying

umbral reef
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Average user count on work and weekends increased by around 2a3K 🤔

rigid crescent
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I love when people come in, say it's dying, then present no numbers or evidence. It's just dying because they said so.

stone current
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most r desktop user tho

ripe mist
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ye

rough pulsar
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Only 30% VR 🙁

ripe mist
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i have a vrheadset

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It used to be soo good

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but they are destroying that game

stone current
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30% vr is pretty good

rigid crescent
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Oh did they release that number Gallium? I always wondered, but my guess hovered around 30-40

ripe mist
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Reliable af

stone current
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i mean if u have 20k players a day

rigid crescent
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it actually used to be worse 🤔

stone current
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like in total

rough pulsar
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@rigid crescent Sometime around new year, might be able to find mention of it on twitter or something

stone current
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and 30% uses vr

rigid crescent
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i'll have to check that out some time

rough pulsar
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I remember when it was more like 95% VR.
Good times.

ripe mist
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What are you talking about its fucking trash atm like nothing works

stone current
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6k players that probably spend like what 2 million dollars in total?

rigid crescent
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If nothing works how are the other 7.4k+people playing?

stone current
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vr is making some serious profit from vrchat

umbral reef
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Have you even invested any type of energy into fixing it lmao?

rigid crescent
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shouldn't there be zero playing because the game dosen't work?

umbral oracle
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!cleancache

floral flaxBOT
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You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them

ripe mist
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trash game

rigid crescent
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haha here comes the meltdown because he's got no counter

ripe mist
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legit tilted by that shit nothing works

umbral reef
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Are you just here to troll and be toxic now or..?

stone current
ripe mist
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go fck yourself and stop annoying me Kairos

rigid crescent
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So can you answer that? If nothing works how do the other 7.4k people play?

stone current
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oof

umbral oracle
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Momoo you are saying it is broken for you but you aren't asking for help.

umbral reef
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Dont waste your time lyuma. I asked if he did that, suggested even the place to start and just got insulted for it so.

rigid crescent
tranquil bane
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Anyone got the full community guidelines ruleset? Site to find it is down for me.

rough pulsar
stone current
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work for me also

tranquil bane
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Now it is. Before it was saying dead endpoint.

stone current
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here i saved it

umbral reef
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Its sad to see how much stuff is broken now with there home page :c
It updated all so nice, they even added the broken links for there social media and got it all up to date
But not invalid certificates, broken links, no endpoints and ect :x

stone current
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it wont be updated in case it changes but its from right now

ripe mist
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dying game

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they dont care about this game since they lost all their hype

stone current
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um ok watevr

civic coral
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👋

rough pulsar
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They've recently pushed some updates to the site so you may experience some intermittent issues for a little while.

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This is only for the website mind you.

umbral reef
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Tbh all problems i heard about and seen myself (yes all got reported) are things they can fix within a day or by just waiting

rough pulsar
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I think in this case it's probably more of a caching thing than anything else.

stone current
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idk why vrchat has so many frequent problems tho its kinda weird

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like things happen at random almost for different people

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its like 1 of the only games ive played with these kinda issues

umbral reef
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Welcome to the world of new edge games with small dev teams

prisma plover
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Meh website problems aren't too worrying, HTML stuff and what not.
Problem with the game itself tho. No no.

stone current
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no bu tlike its difficult

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bc a lot of things can be causing it and not every person experiences it simultaneously

prisma plover
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And people use different browsers. That doesn't help.

hollow gazelle
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i find it almost pointless to reverse engineer the unity thing now that the polygon limit is giant

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unless you want serverwide earrape

stone current
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wym

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if u mean modding sdk u shouldnt be doing that or rlly talking about it

hollow gazelle
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ik

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i was contemplating the point of doing it

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i dont mod

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i dont even know how to mod it

tacit plank
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Recently I saw somebody above the polylimit

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But it didn't bother me as much as seeing "Meshes: 237 (4)" in the avatar rating

hollow gazelle
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now thats the problem

rapid jolt
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O.O

hollow gazelle
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like i find ~20 mesh limit pretty stupid but

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10 people is 120 meshes

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And thats not fun on pcs

rapid jolt
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it would be better if the game could handle more threads

hollow gazelle
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i think the main problem is with shaders and people who somehow have managed to highjack player cameras.

tacit plank
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Also 17 skinned meshes, 30 materials, like 8 trail renderers, etc. It was just an abomination

rapid jolt
#

this game only tends to use one or two cores

hollow gazelle
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somebody managed to highjack the player cameras for welcome to the rice fields avatar, its so annoying, especially in vr

rapid jolt
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so it is reliant on those one or two cores for all those dynamic bones, cloth physics, etc. as well as pushing frames to your GPU

tacit plank
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It could multithread better, but no amount of optimization will save you when people make avatars like that

rapid jolt
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true

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oh that is a zoom shader

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the Luka Mega shader that I have has that feature

hollow gazelle
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the only optimisation for that avatar is after the server crashes

stone current
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i saw people with like 560 mil triangles

tacit plank
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Isn't the zoom shader just mapping a textures coordinates to your screen?

rapid jolt
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It is up to the creators of the avatars to be reasinable

hollow gazelle
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why canr vrchat literally just have an ingame tester.
like if it detects an avatar ingame is above the limits, it bans the model.

tacit plank
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I think you've come across somebody with a bugged display. The most I've managed to get into VRChat is 7.3 mil polies, and it was over 80MB of pure data

rapid jolt
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IDK

hollow gazelle
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you cant mod the servers without a full on hack

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yeah caff, i think nobody will ever be able to see that model other than you

tacit plank
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People can have their monsters in private rooms. I just don't want to see things above the limits in public rooms

rapid jolt
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when you upload an avatar with as many polygons as is feasibly possible

hollow gazelle
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im more concerned about the fact every server im in has a nsfw model

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not neccesarily visible, but if one was to look its there.

tacit plank
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20K was a bad limit. 70k is more than you should ever need. If you use 150K then you're just being rude to other users

hollow gazelle
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i think 150k was the vrchat crew going, ok fuck it, to shut the people who are going like Small avatar limit

rapid jolt
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it is not the polygons really, it is meshes materials, dynamic bones and such that are 90% of the issue

tacit plank
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I've never needed more than 1 mesh except when I added an object in Unity because I was too lazy to add it in Blender. There might be a legit reason to go above, but I don't know of it

hollow gazelle
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polygons is technically just the parts of a mesh.

rapid jolt
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each material and mesh is an extra draw call, and that is bad on a game that only uses a core or two

hollow gazelle
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its like writing two parts of a me

rapid jolt
#

modern GPUs can handle millions of polygons

hollow gazelle
#

ssage in two different texts

tacit plank
#

Usually, the polygons are not the biggest issue

rapid jolt
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it is anything that places extra load on your CPU

tacit plank
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But if you add shadows to a 150k polygon avatar in Unity, the profiler will tell you that you're using 300 or 450k polygons. I think the GPU has to calculate for every drawcall by the mesh or something

idle elm
#

When you say modern GPUs do you mean those of mobile devices? I assume you are not talking about those at all.

rapid jolt
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this game has terrible CPU optimization

hollow gazelle
#

polygons are like atoms, you cant do anything without them,
meshes are groups, why have 15 groups if its just A single model.

rapid jolt
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I am obviously talking about any VR Ready GPU since this is a VR Game we are talking about

hollow gazelle
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the only time i use multiple meshes is when it comes to MMD stuff, which i basically cant mesh fuse
1 becouse idk how

rapid jolt
#

mobile devices will not make the cut

hollow gazelle
#

my gpu is gtx 1070 Ti overclocked

tacit plank
#

There's another problem though, some people have incredibly laggy shaders. There's no real profiling for that

hollow gazelle
#

if i cant run minesweeper

rapid jolt
#

I have a GTX 1080 and Ryzen 5 2600

hollow gazelle
#

ironically my cpu is ryzen (obviously) but its barely in vr.

#

however the cpu is probably dangerously overclocked.

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becouse the fan cost about 150

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possibly more

idle elm
#

Mobile devices do VR just fine.

stone current
#

yea sure

rapid jolt
#

I paid $150 for my 360mm AIO

idle elm
#

What I am trying to point out is, maybe these limits are with the future in mind guys

hollow gazelle
#

'mobile does vr just fine'

idle elm
#

And with the idea of maybe having more than 20 people in a world on PC

hollow gazelle
#

it runs fortnite on sub zero graphics

stone current
#

u know u can just buy an oculus quest and not need a phone but get better framerate

umbral reef
#

Mobile chips have LOADS of different dev rules though
Need to focus on plenty of different things then you need for PC

hollow gazelle
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im waiting for the age of mobiles that are as customisable as a pc

idle elm
#

🤷 Just saying, don't fixate on one platform when saying "omg, give me all the things"

rapid jolt
#

We are talking about a desktop game here, so I am referencing Desktop GPU

stone current
#

if they do get as customizable (which they sorta are already) rip market advantages

rapid jolt
#

good luck getting VRChat to run well on a snapdragon

umbral reef
#

Well the latest phone chips that are meant for VR and AR in phones are powerfull enough atleast

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But they still have different optimization rules then for pc's what makes it annoying/harder

rapid jolt
#

if it struggles on full out PC Hardware, you got no chance in hell getting it to run well on ARM

umbral reef
#

Vrchat mainly runs shit because of dynamic bones/cloth and other unoptimized avatar addons...

stone current
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especially cuz u cant heat the phone up 2 much or flames and boom boom and burn hand

umbral reef
#

The core game itself runs all fine and dandy-

hollow gazelle
#

me mensions poligons

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chat becomes a full on nerdfest
and i feel at home

rapid jolt
#

also, they would need to re write the game to get it to run on ARM anyway. And the on board GPU of the snapdragon pales in comparison to even a mid range GPU like the reccomended GTX 1060/RX 580

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XD

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LOL @hollow gazelle

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Also VR on an Oculus Rift or HTC Vive is worlds different in quality when compared to that of a Phone or PSVR

winter quarry
#

How'

stone current
#

??

winter quarry
#

How's me igloo?

#

thats what i meant to say

hollow gazelle
#

for the starts, vive and rift have different pixel shapes

stone current
#

arent vive and oculus resolutions comparibly similar

rapid jolt
#

they are

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the the Vive has a wider POV of 90*

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so it has the same pixel density across a larger area

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and the Lenses are made differently

hollow gazelle
#

yeah some people complained about the lenses

rapid jolt
#

I ran across a good video comparing the two that does a better job than me at explaining everything

hollow gazelle
#

and infact they were designed to prevent majority of motion sickness

rapid jolt
#

let me see if I can find it

stone current
#

good thing i not have motion siccness

rapid jolt
#

^Same

hollow gazelle
#

vive was built to accompany glasses

stone current
#

oculus was also

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but not rlly

hollow gazelle
#

because surprisingly, glasses are needed in vr?

stone current
#

i cant fit my new thicc glasses in it

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i used 2 hav motion siccness like crazy tho as pupper

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got it all outta my system somehow tho?

hollow gazelle
#

im only motion sick if the vr is literally crap

stone current
#

like planes and cars would give me motion sickness

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would; i have never gotten motion sickness since

hollow gazelle
#

and i dont get motion sick i get a headache about an inch above my ear.

#

ive also used vive for about 5 hours in a row, and had a rash where the foam for a few hours after
its becouse i had first gen vive, so the padding isnt the best, also i had the vive when it was 700

rapid jolt
#

the longest I used my oculus was 16 hours on a day off

stone current
#

i hab oculus rift and fbt

#

vr is a rlly good exercise especially if u have full body

rapid jolt
#

I was really excited when I first bought it

stone current
#

and u get 2 have fun at the same time

rapid jolt
#

yup

stone current
#

screw workout routines

rapid jolt
#

play some beatsaber, your arms will be jelly after an hour or two

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if they end up releasing the knuckles controllers with the base vive package. I might buy one to try it out

stone current
#

yea but beatsaber is only arm exercise

rapid jolt
#

I am in the process of buying the vive trackers ATM

stone current
#

just dance vr, robo recall, superhot, vrchat is full body exercise

rapid jolt
#

it is leg exercise if you have a song that really pushes you around

#

I love robo recall

tacit plank
#

If my lighthouses are really loud, is that grounds for a refund or warranty claim?

stone current
#

robo recall is fun

#

but omfg its the hardest game on the planet

#

the campaign is way 2 demanding

#

it starts out easy but then it gets so hard 2 do all the little mini missions u need so u can get new levels

rapid jolt
#

the objectives are what get you

#

some of them are insane

stone current
#

yee

rapid jolt
#

anyways I am about to jump into VR Chat again... Have fun!

stone current
#

me 2

rapid jolt
#

I slept most of the day since I had no work

#

XD

#

also, on a little side note. If you want to be more secure, use the oculus version of the game

stone current
#

na i cant

rapid jolt
#

a lot of malicious players will exploit steams P2P service to get your ip and then use that to DDOS your internet

#

I hate thoe people the most

stone current
#

i mean u cant rlly do that tho

rapid jolt
#

ah

stone current
#

in vrchat

#

steam is just handling like input and other tools

#

doesnt rlly do anything with vrchat itself tho

#

but my fbt wont work without it

rapid jolt
#

that is why I stopped using the steam version. But it also means that I can no longer use my full body as it relies on steam VR for Driver4VR

stone current
#

bruh wat

#

y would u use oculus version if u got full body

#

more like waste of mony

rapid jolt
#

It is only done by a kinect and color trackers

stone current
#

still waste of moneyy

#

like grand total of wat 70 bucks

rapid jolt
#

and this way I no longer have worry about those annoying crashers with DDOS capabilities

stone current
#

i couldnt stand not using fbt tho if i have it

#

also really like when have u ever been DDOSd

#

from vrchat

rapid jolt
#

it is more immersive

stone current
#

yea its more immersive so i always use it

rapid jolt
#

actually someone tried the other day

#

and I just said, best of luck

stone current
#

um wat

#

never happened 2 me but ok sure paranoia

rapid jolt
#

they said enjoy no internet for 48 hours

#

and I replied with you cant get my IP so easily

stone current
#

bro they probably script kiddie that googled how 2 dox on youtube

rapid jolt
#

yup

#

most of them are

stone current
#

also if u have a steam account they can just do stuff that way

#

unless u dont have a steam account i dont rlly see wat this prevents

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cuz again steam not rlly do much to the game or connection itself

rapid jolt
#

I am using a VR Chat account

stone current
#

especially if ur using a vrchat account instead of a steam one

rapid jolt
#

on my oculus store version of the game

#

the VOIP P2P of steam is what gives them your IP

stone current
#

u should be fine using a vrchat account on steam then

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but i dont get y it would

rapid jolt
#

it is just how it works

stone current
#

um isnt voip voice chat

rapid jolt
#

steam sends out your IP for VOIP when you talk. It is not encrypted and is in plain sight so to speak

stone current
#

for like game or text chat calls

rapid jolt
#

VOIP (voice over internet protocol)

stone current
#

Yes, if you answer a voice call they can get your IP

#

i dont see anything talking about ingame voice chat

rapid jolt
#

no if you say a word in game they can

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when you talk to anyone that is VOIP

rigid crescent
#

it's literally how people get IP, it's not hard either

rapid jolt
#

and to use VOIP it needs you IP, so you have you IP out there at all times when you are in game

#

yeah

rigid crescent
#

a friend used to do it for fun to spook people, and he explained to me how to do it and i dont know much about stuff like that and even i could pull it off

stone current
#

but y oculus not do that

rapid jolt
#

it wouold be nice if steam could tighten up on their security

#

because it is steam itself that is the security flaw

#

not the game

stone current
#

idk y would need ip in first place but oof

rapid jolt
#

for VOIP to connect

stone current
#

yea but then how does the other one do it

rapid jolt
#

same way, but being that it is through Oculus, not steam. They will not get Your IP

stone current
#

also couldnt u just use a dynamic/spoofed ip address

rapid jolt
#

Oculus does not send out your IP

#

but steam does

#

it is how Steam P2P works

#

if you change your ip, you will get disconnected while in game

#

you can spoof it with a VPN yes

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or scramble it, but that requres a method that will get you banned

stone current
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oof

errant creek
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also expect some extra lag if using VPNs, especially if you're using one that's not in your same country

rapid jolt
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I have looked into many ways to try to avoid being Crashed and DDOSd

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it gets really old really fast

errant creek
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one thing i don't get though, from reading over some of what was discussed above: why would steam and occulus come into the equation with how the VOIP is being sent? I was under the impression that VRChat/the Unity build would be interacting with the VRC servers directly, rather than going through occulus or steam in any way

rapid jolt
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unfortunatly that is not the case

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or maybe fortunatly, because if there was a vunrability then it would apply to all

errant creek
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Can't say I can wrap my head around why it's done like that when Unity applications can be published to run on Windows directly without needing anything from Steam or Occulus, but it is what it is, I suppose -- the more you know, when it comes to how things are actually done...

stone current
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yea idrk y it would use steam

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i mean wouldnt it just use the audio input directly

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its not like unity is using steam..?

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only for like openvr

errant creek
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I don't get why it would go through Steam/Occulus, because I'd imagine that introduces extra latency into the mix -- but perhaps it was meant as a security measure (which works in Occulus's case, but is failing in Steam's case)

stone current
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bc like u can choose the input device and also only way i can change my mic volume is by the settings which affect my actual input not anything specifically in steam

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yea idk y it would need 2 go thru oculus or steam anyhow

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it uses unity networking features doesnt it

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and input comes directly from the device

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cuz wouldnt they have 2 make it rely on steams VOIP specifically

rapid jolt
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the game uses unity, it operates in its own servers I would imagine. and oculus and steam communicate with VR Chat

stone current
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yea but not as u would expect most likely

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cuz like for example when u recieve an avatar download request so u can see it in game

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it doesnt rlly go thru steam or anything thats entirely unity

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i mean u can probably test this by tracking the IP address ins on the vrchat or steam app

rapid jolt
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those are handled in the cloud. if you look in the console of unity it says uploading to ...s3.amazonaws.com/files... something

stone current
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and if there are more when u connect to a server on the steam part then that might be true

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yea but doesnt unity also have a thing for sharing voice

rapid jolt
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all worlds and avatars are on amazons cloud servers

stone current
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iirc there are many unity games with voice chat without needing third party programs (excluding libraries and API in the game itself)

rapid jolt
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unity is a game engine

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it does not do everything

stone current
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yea but

rapid jolt
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it does dictate audio effects

umbral oracle
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I don't understand why voice can't also be sent over photon

stone current
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see that guy didnt use steam or anything to send the voice data

rapid jolt
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for specifics I can only guess as i am not a dev of the game

stone current
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yea cuz like heres the thing

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i dont rlly believe vrchat would make use of steams voice features

rapid jolt
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but it does

stone current
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how do u know

errant creek
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Now that I think about it, it might have to do with the fact that it's specifically integrated with Steam/Occulus VR...

rapid jolt
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and that is how script kiddys get your IP

stone current
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but how do u know

umbral oracle
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It uses uspeak or at least claims to use it in the output log

stone current
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do u have any evidence of IP tracing urself or whatever

rapid jolt
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because I have had it explained to me by many crashers

stone current
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yes but have u done it urself or seen it urself

rapid jolt
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you know, the same kind that crash me

stone current
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also crashers are not doxxers

rapid jolt
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it is a general term

stone current
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also wtf kind of ppl r u hanging around

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that always want 2 dox u

rapid jolt
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but many of them have access to DDOS applications or pay for a Bot Net DDOS service

stone current
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like legit ive played vrchat for 600 hrs and not once have i ever heard of doxxing

rapid jolt
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Have you ever played COD?

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I used to get DDOSd playing that game too

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you are a fortunate person

stone current
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bro u attract script kiddies

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lololo

umbral oracle
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They are mostly script kiddies, and many will make outrageous claims and then prove it to you by crashing prople with vrchat features like particles.

rapid jolt
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I guess

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I used to get DDOS twice a week

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T-T

stone current
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mayb people dont like u? idrk wat else it could be

rapid jolt
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I guess

stone current
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like sometimes ppl will be like 'omg leave' and then go to 'ima dox u'

vocal shard
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If people are DDoSing you that much

rapid jolt
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that is why I said it gets old

stone current
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yea legit ive never been ddos'd in like what 10 years

vocal shard
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Then something's up

rapid jolt
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lucky

stone current
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and i dont use a vpn

rapid jolt
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it happens rarely now

vocal shard
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It's not just a "it's getting old" It's more like there might be something ya diong that attracts em

umbral oracle
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The point of ddos is that many machines are hitting your network. That implies those servers are not ddosing anyone else at the time and they are wasting their money to hit you

rapid jolt
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but I would get DDOS alot when I played Black Ops 2

stone current
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typically minors and ppl who talk a lot about hacking get doxxed more frequently

rapid jolt
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I never talk about it in game usually

umbral oracle
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Ah so just in bursts long enough to disconnect you from the game?

errant creek
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@rapid jolt wait, now that i think about it -- we're understanding DDoS and crashing as two very different things, right? because DDoS will literally prevent you from being able to use your internet in any way at all

rapid jolt
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I just found out how and why

umbral oracle
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I guess that wouldn't cost much. Still surprised people would resort to that

stone current
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well it sorta prevents u from using the internet

rapid jolt
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I am talking about VR Chat Crashers\

stone current
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but its very very obvious

rapid jolt
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AKA malicious users

stone current
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u can just look at ur ip log and boom theres a million packets from somewhere

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stuff like slow loris might not work on someones ip most likely

rapid jolt
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who use many methods to crash you such as DDOS attacks, Tessalation Shaders, blue scrren shaders, medusas, particle lasers, black holes, etc

umbral oracle
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In vrchat they are mostly misusing broken features of vrchat (which is more flexible than any "game" I have ever seen regarding what content can be uploaded--pretty incredible)

stone current
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what about garrys mod

timid hornet
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Does anyone know how to adjust the bone size in blender?

rapid jolt
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never really got into that game

stone current
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press the s button

umbral oracle
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If you think about all what vrchat lets you do and how rarely stuff breaks it's pretty amazing.

timid hornet
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Ty

rapid jolt
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s= scale

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r=rotation

umbral oracle
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Garrys mod didn't have the equivalent of public worlds did it? You had to host servers

stone current
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well yea but

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thats whats even worse

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cuz they can dox entire servers and sometimes the whole friking host of them

umbral oracle
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But it avoids the issue of randos waiting for someone to join them to crash

stone current
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and theres also addons that let u load other addons and such

umbral oracle
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If ips = doxing, you have a problem just by using the internet

stone current
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crashing servers in garrys mod was so common tho bc the source physics engine is garbage

umbral oracle
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No again it's a testament to how powerful garrysmod is

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I didn't see crashing being a big problem in other source games like l4d2 or cs

stone current
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well yes

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but thats bc those games dont let u do the things that break the engine

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like literally all u need is a ragdoll and 2 welds

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and boom the server is dead

umbral oracle
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Garrysmod is a lot like vrchat, if not even more flexible. Vrchat is walking a fine line with what it lets you do while still being able to keep things decently secure to the point that you can get crashed but not much else

stone current
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spawn in too many cans: crash
spawn a giant prop that goes inside other colliders: crash
weld a ragdoll 2 opposite ends of the map: crash
ragdoll bucket: crash
make spherical tool on a resized prop: crashed and practically undetectable

umbral oracle
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And even crashes they are improving over time with safety settings etc

stone current
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that last one was hell when i discovered it

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i was trying 2 make a car and nobody had saved anything bc it was for a competition

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i resized my wheels bc they were way 2 big

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make spherical and boom the server crashed

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i had done it again when the server restarted to see if that was the cause and bc the admins wanted 2 know wtf happened

timid hornet
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So could it jus tbe the models not sized correctly for the outfit I want?

stone current
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wat

timid hornet
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Just realized theres an avi chat

errant creek
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@timid hornet based on what you were asking earlier, you likely need to resize either your model's or outfit's mesh -- changing bone sizes in blender generally doesn't do anything if it's not in an animation

timid hornet
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I had to eh- reduce her size up top.

cursive skiff
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I have an issue... When ever I wanna play vrchat either my friends or my gf get on and talk to me or play games with me to prevent me from getting on vrchat and im like "REEE" I wanted to play tonight!

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Its been like that for the last few weeks now...

stone current
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i go 2 play vrcat but never meet u huehue

cursive skiff
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Well I usually chill in the pug in public games so that may be why

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But I am Hardly well known but I have started being recognized every now and then

vocal shard
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Welll

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I put my Rift away

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But should I redownload VRChat's desktop client and try it again today?

stone current
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i never go 2 pug

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i like 2 go where my friends are and on game worlds and interesting places

cursive skiff
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Ye I go topug cause its always got the most folk

vocal shard
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I haven't played since Dec. 1st

cursive skiff
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folks*

vocal shard
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Thinking of hopping back on tonight for a lil

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Going to Pug, like old times

cursive skiff
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@vocal shard could come join me and rape make people uncomfortable

vocal shard
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hell yea

cursive skiff
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kek

vocal shard
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I'm gonna be on Desktop tho

stone current
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ima join and go 2 frends and like the grenade field place or someting

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i got bored of the pug after going 2 it so many times and having low frames

cursive skiff
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kek hey if you want me to join @stone current add me ill tag along same name as in disc

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@vocal shard Bah! No big deal

vocal shard
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I put my Rift away to make space for 3 monitors, so yea

stone current
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y r there 2 of u

cursive skiff
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Geeze, I have my vive under my desk on my foot chair cause fuck it. It works there

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Two of you? Who are you talking ito?

stone current
cursive skiff
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Ohhhh

stone current
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maybe one of them is the steam version

cursive skiff
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7992 was my old steam account

stone current
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and its a merged account

cursive skiff
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Add the non 7992

stone current
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cuz i think

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if u log in using oculus or steam it creates a dummy account

rapid jolt
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why do I trigger a random world when I play an animation?

stone current
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wym

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like going into portals or home?

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i honestly have no idea y that happens but ive seen it before

rapid jolt
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every time I play a cartain animation I get thrown into a portal

stone current
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where someone triggers a gesture and then 3 seconds later a portal animation teleports them somewhere

rapid jolt
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yup

stone current
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and they usually crash following

vocal shard
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man i hate when that happens

stone current
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i mean its not that bad

vocal shard
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I also hate when my world gets sucked up by a black hole, totally relatable man

stone current
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i had avatars that would consistently respawn into the map for no reason

vocal shard
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I was joking

rapid jolt
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XD

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I found a really cool black hole shader

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I have yet to find a good use for it

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it would be cool to make that scene from interstellar

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that one movie

vocal shard
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ahh yes, that one movie

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ofc, totallllllyyyyy don't know about it

rapid jolt
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but keyframing such an animation takes a long time

stone current
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not that bad if u have motion capture software or know how to use animation curves properly

rapid jolt
vocal shard
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I was joking holy shit lmao

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The italics should have given that away

rapid jolt
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I do, but I am also very lazy

stone current
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u can literally

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make a super realistic animation from like what 10 keyframes

vocal shard
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Wunder kinda experienced in this stuff

stone current
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u would just mess with the animation curves once u got the basic rotations

vocal shard
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(hint hint take the hint)

stone current
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and add more keyframes in between if u needed more detail

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u basically work from a 4 fps loop to a 60 fps one

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cant rlly say the same for 2D animation

heavy dawn
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😆

cursive skiff
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Tell ya what, the limited time i have with animation keyframes more is better

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Makes more smooth animations etc

stone current
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yea but

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animation curves still exist

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so usually extra keyframes come into play for timing and etc reasons

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also almost nobody animates characters without using an IK rig

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its so stupidly difficult to create an animation entirely with FK rigs, especially if u wanna for example make them jump or stomp the floor

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bc u need precise timing and rotation changes so that the foot stays attached and planted to floor properly

umbral oracle
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@rapid jolt your animation is probably spawning a huge object such as a sphere which you left the collider enabled. When any collider on your avatar touches a portal anywhere in the world you will enter that portal

median basalt
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Someone spawned a huge zoom effect in the Pug today and they teleported out

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I laughed a bit

rapid jolt
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yikes

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probably the same thing

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I forgot to delete the mesh collider

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thanks @umbral oracle

umbral oracle
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Haha

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I have a flier with a big collider on it and it always sends me places when I'm not careful

rapid jolt
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such a simple thing caused it

umbral oracle
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randomly plays blue portal fadeout whoops there he goes again

rapid jolt
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XD

toxic quail
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uwu

stone current
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its so good for troll avatars

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right when the trollings gonna happen

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just put the thing after a while

vocal shard
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@stone current @cursive skiff You guys here?

stone current
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yuss

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awoo

vocal shard
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I'm redownloading VRChat now

stone current
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ima play mayb in liek an hr or so

coarse galleon
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hi

stone current
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gota eet furst

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henlo frend

coarse galleon
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how is everyone

astral night
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none of my worlds are loading. :')

mighty hamlet
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hey anyone know how to use kinect for tracking?

stone current
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yea

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google

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yall should google utube tutorials

mighty hamlet
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errors appear

stone current
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"vrchat kinect tracking"

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wat u mean

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use kinect2vr or driver4vr

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k2vr is free

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and make sure u got all the SDKs

mighty hamlet
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link pls

sleek bone
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What's up with girl avatars having collars in vrchat?

covert linden
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they like em

lean fulcrum
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My guy avatar has one

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@covert linden Also, My stuff is all set up. I can VR now!

covert linden
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nicee, Ill be waiting till june till I can

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because my pc is as good as a coaster

lean fulcrum
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what happened to the thing you ordered?

rough flax
#

Volt dance club now public poggers

hardy seal
#

Y'all ever just tilt your head to flex on the desktop users

covert linden
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Nothing in that pc functions

fleet beacon
#

Anyone know any good male avatars?

subtle prawn
rapid jolt
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if you like I have made a few

lean fulcrum
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I may have messed up my Vive unintentionally. The night I set it up it was perfect, everything looked amazing and it was a ton of fun. Now today tho, my view in SteamVR and VRChat got really blurry and idk what happened. Anyone know a fix?

stone current
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did u clean ur lenses

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did u also adjust the lens spacing

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lenses can easily just fog up or get dusty

prisma plover
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Or possibly super sampling going negative reducing itself to save performance somehow.

stone current
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so wipe them every tiem u gonna play

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dat nevr happened 2 me

lean fulcrum
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I do wipe them often. I did adjust the lenses and the IPD or whatever it’s called and it was still blurry

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I turned it off for now cause I’m a little frustrated but I’ll try to fix it again later

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Idk what else I can do to fix it

prisma plover
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With OpenVR Advanced Settings, you can adjust the supersampling, which can improve clarity.

lean fulcrum
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I will give that a try when I go back to it again, thanks!

cursive skiff
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@vocal shard got off for the night ill be on tomorrow