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#vrchat-general-2
serene talon
serene talon
I'm in 681 build
rigid crescent
are they?
serene talon
I dont know because I dont know who sent it.
That's good to know though, didnt know it worked like that
twin jacinth
They announced the update in OB and pushed it out within 10 hours?
Jeeez
vocal shard
So I hear this new version made the game less performant than it was while also bringing in a thing that allows people to bully each other over avatars 
rigid crescent
seemsbetter to me
cold ibex
Boowie avatawrs
light saddle
I agree it’s way better
glossy wharf
@rigid crescent did they actually just release the beta as a main branch not even 24h into beta
rigid crescent
ye but its been in closed for weeks
rigid crescent
but they didnt fix spoofing :0
glossy wharf
And they probably didnt fix values did they
rigid crescent
they actually seem pretty good
shy nest
Yeah mine is the same splt
rigid crescent
now that ive been ingame all day
glossy wharf
Cant wait to ride the poor train with an optimized avatar cause of a collider
vital rune
the new avatar meta is static avatars
because apparently people still use potato pcs or the game itself is held together on ducttape and glue at this point
glossy wharf
Im literally not gonma give a fuck about optimizing anymore now that my avatars are gonna reach poor anyway
still lark
@glossy wharf 🤦
shy nest
Colliders are overrated anyway
glossy wharf
Ive been manually atlasing for over a fucking year telling people to optimizr stuff and now stuff like colliders get generalized and it takes the single worst value to generate your ranking
still lark
The thing is, your avatar might be good while you're alone, but 30 of you is gonna get pretty bad.
glossy wharf
Cba to put all the work in
rigid crescent
and you get medium up to 4, sooo
glossy wharf
Dude 30 times my avatar in a room is not gonna make anything lag
Ive been optimizing my shit in this game for longer than most people but this system is just bad
I dont see a point in learning new techniques and pushing to the limit if a single value can fuck it all up
vast tulip
why not fix that single value?
vital rune
rip Toga's avatars then lmao
rigid crescent
i still agree with it being improved
glossy wharf
Especially since your collider can be something that only affects 3 bones and it puts you into medium
earnest harbor
im willing to bet the closed beta didnt stress test...
vast tulip
thats 1 thing you need to do to get better
glossy wharf
I cant do it better though
rigid crescent
but most users arent using colliders responsively lol
glossy wharf
Im not going to remove my collider for a better rank in a shitty system
noble narwhal
I ain't care gonna do what I gotta do also all of my avatars are private anyway
earnest harbor
models and menu loading is so broken its hilarious
glossy wharf
@rigid crescent colliders alreads add to the dyn bone transform count, its not hard to not limit them.
vocal shard
It'll be fun going into any given world with more than 5 people in it and see how badly they messed up this time
vital rune
you know what's even hilarious, the fucking default avatars themselves are "unoptimized"
twin jacinth
Wait so if you have colliders your rank instantly drops to medium?
vital rune
Unity-chan is like 2+ meshes
glossy wharf
@vocal shard using colliders to fix clipping is unoptimized and you should feel bad
woven steppe
civic plume
yay i fixed my vrchat 💜
woven steppe
I swear I did't remember uploading a planet
sullen olive
Bro, Sue is 10 skinned meshes
glossy wharf
@twin jacinth yes
twin jacinth
Well
That's fucking shit
glossy wharf
Instead of not counting colliders and limiting dynbones transforms (thats where the colliders count toward and thats the part that makes colliders bad or okay) they get counted themselves by a horrible system
twin jacinth
Does it really have such a big impact? most people now add colliders so you can touch your hair/ears etc etc don't they?
glossy wharf
Yes
bronze sun
i hope they go easier on the dynamic bone rating, currently its basically only allowed to have 2 hand colliders when you only have 3 bones affected by it, to be not rated poor (staying under the 8 dynamic bone collision check count) when you have a female avatar with long hair you are basically fucked
glossy wharf
It doesnt have that much impact
civic plume
hey guys !
woven steppe
I have 0 colliders counted because I use cloth.
twin jacinth
Here i come Medium/Poor avatar performance
Yay
glossy wharf
Collider performance is solely based on how many bones they affect, they double the transform value for those.
vocal shard
Well, dynamic bones are implemented horribly
vast tulip
@twin jacinth yes, they do. after the IK optimization, they are probably the most expensive thing in vrc now, not counting lights
woven steppe
but very poor because something in my avatar is making my bounding box planet sized
tiny ginkgo
Hi @civic plume!
vast tulip
that people can control on avatars
mighty galleon
oh hi mimi
glossy wharf
@vocal shard yea but thats Something that doesnt need fixing and is unoptimized.
vital rune
then again this game is entirely held on goddamn ducttape and glue I still have yet to witness this game entirely collapsing like house of cards
vast tulip
heya
glossy wharf
Anyway me go
atomic tusk
ah yes lets point the blame sqaurely at colliders when we have people running around with 30+ materials
mighty galleon
hows you and ant been doing?
umbral nova
Seeya Sai
twin jacinth
Don't get too angry sai
bronze sun
yeah everything is very good but dynamic bones for hair and breast make it instantly very poor..... sucks when you actually put effort in optimizing, what i kick in your face
civic plume
hey!!@!!!!! im so happy
vocal shard
@wintry aurora your shouldn't be uploading avatars. 2171 dynamic bone collision checks
vast tulip
@vocal shard in most games, you have 1 or a few "hero" models with all the fancy colliders and hair. everyone in vrchat wants to be a "hero" model
dawn pecan
How? How do you even find avatars with over 200 bones, yet alone put dynamic bones on that many?
vocal shard
black n white avatar world is pure cancer on VRchat
dawn pecan
Without getting a tubeman looking guy
vital rune
try having dynamic bones on a long skirt
tiny ginkgo
I assume your happiness is connected to your vacation @civic plume ?
dawn pecan
I have an avatar with a skirt, it has 12 bones I believe
umbral nova
Not necessarily Mimi. You see the kind of avatars I work with. They're pretty light.
civic plume
no vrcaht was broken but i fixed it almost all by my self! 💜
tiny ginkgo
Oh..
vast tulip
I made my hair short so I dont need to use dynamic bone at all
tiny ginkgo
Nice work!
dawn pecan
I don't think I've ever seen a model with above 300 bones
vast tulip
if I had long hair I would do cleaver weight painting to make it not go through me
dawn pecan
Only way I could make an avatar as poor as the ones I've seen rejected is to split models by loose parts in cats and exporting that
umbral nova
Also is it bad that I read what you type as your TTS voice?
Though I read a lot of people's text through their voices so mmm
vast tulip
it doesnt really matter if you want them because they look good. they are VERY unperformant
atomic tusk
1 collider bad!
vast tulip
them being nice doesnt change their performance
woven steppe
just copy and paste into an actual TTS so it's read by said voice
atomic tusk
7 materials good!
twin jacinth
So what they are saying rn is
No colliders on your avatar so you can have fun if you want it to be optimized
vital rune
unless you were actually using a goddamn potato PC
dawn pecan
Most different textures I've seen on a model is about 30
And I've downloaded about 500 avatars
cedar abyss
Is it just me or is the game using way more ram then before after the update now?
civic plume
okay i am here now XD
woven steppe
I personally use my colliders to fly... and walk through walls
dawn pecan
Usually, there are no collisions checks. So you can't touch your tits, and your hair might move into your model
woven steppe
and keep my clothing on
warped thorn
Well you know, it's not like colliders aren't allowed in this system.
dawn pecan
It's not important, but for some models it can look a bit nicer or be fun
pliant prawn
Best part about the update is being swarmed by groups of people desperately trying to copy my avatar because it has big tits
dawn pecan
I don't think it's much of a problem though, only if you have too many dynamic bones. Which I still don't understand how people managa
golden violet
It's necessary because it makes the game fun. You don't have to bend over every single demand
Have some backbone
woven steppe
I never personally used dynamic bones on clothing or hair... since dynamic bones just seem terrible for the purpose of simulating clothing or hair...
twin jacinth
Slightly?
seems like a huge overhaul to me with greatly increased smoothness of the game and frames
I have less lag
dawn pecan
You can probably make Mikus hair move just fine with 2 dynbones
Sure. Maybe 3 each if you want it to bend right along the line, but with bad values that'd just make it shake weirdly
Real hair just does a fast move or follow gravity though, really
woven steppe
When I started making my own avatars I didn't have the dynamic bone assets and so I always made my clothing and hair physics with cloth... When someone gave me a bootleg copy of the dynamic bone assets I used them for tails.
Cloth clothes and Hair since 2017
dawn pecan
If you need a "very poor" to make your avatar look good, you're not a good modeler
woven steppe
As a positive apparently the new avatar thingmajig doesn't count my hair colliders
or any colliders for that matter
So I have my cloth physics on my clothes and hair... and the game doesn't even have to nag me about my many many capsules and sphere colliders.
dawn pecan
69999 polygons is plently. You don't need dynamic bones or cloth, but you can if you wish. Either way you don't need 30 of whatever the limit is
pliant prawn
Mods please post your personal avatar's performance rating
shut star
So the Materials is also broken, I have gone through blender and unity and I for sure have under 22. Its actually 11 but apparently in VRC its 22. They need to work on this system
pliant prawn
I need to know now
dawn pecan
There is one on the update page. Aevs at "very good" I believe
twin jacinth
Aev has it up on the new update information i think
woven steppe
twin jacinth
Aev's avatar is Good
woven steppe
That's my EXTRA LARGE problem
earnest harbor
who needs good looking avatars am i right?
dawn pecan
I personally feel that cloth and dynamic bones is overdone 80% of the time. But I still don't see why you need to go over the limits to have a good looking character
woven steppe
like my bounds are like over four and a half thousand kilometers
I have no idea why
vital rune
nah lets make static avatars instead, no dynamic bones, no colliders, no cloth, atlas'd all textures to look like 1998 and only one material
ultimate optimization
shut star
Also VRC snail markers count in the bounds so that is a thing. So if you got a marker your model is by default very poor.
woven steppe
I got a marker but that doesn't count
dawn pecan
Dynamic bones and cloth are not required for a modern looking model, and they're the worst thing for performance
woven steppe
I figured it out
woven steppe
It's the moon sized sphere collider I put under my character
dawn pecan
As for every other component, I don't see how you can can go above the limit
earnest harbor
and then those models will take 5mins to load
woven steppe
My marker doesn't
pliant prawn
Can't we all just be Amy?
dawn pecan
You could also make a custom animation to make it look "alive"
You don't need it , but if you do add it, my point is that 30 or whatever the limit is, is overdoing it
woven steppe
my caveat with using dynamic bones to simulate hair and clothes is that force applied has to travel down the bones to reach the end... which means if you spin in place your hair coils around you... instead of flowing out like it should.
shut star
So with the materials VRC is counting what my FBX has and not my actual model.
That needs work...
dawn pecan
Why does everything need to move so much?
vital rune
its called immersion I guess
dawn pecan
People are static IRL though
vital rune
and attention to detail
dawn pecan
Your shirt moves when it hits things, not everytime you move a muscle
royal basin
real life is boring though
pliant prawn
Good thing this isn't real life then
dawn pecan
Well, it does, but in a way that weightpainting is plently for
royal basin
😂
dawn pecan
So "immersion" is a bad reason, yes?
sullen escarp
you could say when it collides with things
pliant prawn
That would get awkward
vital rune
everything needs to be Killing Floor 2
bronze sun
caffeine_school you never have seen a long haired person walk am i right?
dawn pecan
You brought in realism
earnest harbor
I'm not sure about you, but I doin't regularly T-pose there @dawn pecan
when I move my head my hair flows
dawn pecan
Hair might move at times, but something like a tie doesn't need to move
woven steppe
Gonna be honest... Dynamic bones don't look at all realistic in it's simulation of hair or clothes
earnest harbor
then I move around my clothes move, they aren't statically painted to my body
woven steppe
My hair isn't made of springs
pliant prawn
Right because VRC is all about realism am I rite?
dawn pecan
They move with your body
earnest harbor
if you see a girl in a skirt I guarantee that skirt flows
dawn pecan
It's been quite a few years I think
bronze sun
lets just all walk around in a cardboard
earnest harbor
accessories move as well, chains, earrings, watches
woven steppe
my avatar used to be very poor... and is now a medium...
earnest harbor
so @dawn pecan please don't spread this line of thought, it's actually sad
dawn pecan
But even when things move, they usually move and then stop again a few 100 miliseconds later
woven steppe
What did I change?... nothing...
sullen escarp
watches...
dawn pecan
Real things don't wiggle back and forth
sullen escarp
why the fuck would you need DB on a watch?
earnest harbor
sure, and things like that are hard to animate, dynamic bones make that process easier
inner cape
Mine went from very poor to medium because I decreased bound size 
woven steppe
I have already successfully artificially improved my rating without sacrificing any of the detail
dawn pecan
For small, fast movements one bone is enough
woven steppe
By using one of the things that made my avatar very poor... The clothes changing shenanigans... and using it as a tool to make it better.
earnest harbor
but just because you and your short hair apparently can't comprehent the fact that hair actually flows, and if you had the slightest bit of knowlege about animation you would know that real hair animation is super difficult
glossy wharf
@vocal shard other games also dont use a collider system like this. Its unoptimized to add colliders to the body
bronze sun
i know ach, the system is buggy as hell, you need to just change between avatars and the values suddenly change, cant believe they made it public, the way it is
pliant prawn
Can't you?
earnest harbor
even the best systems in vrc would have a hard time animating "real" hair, and DB does a good job generalizing the animations
woven steppe
See I just wore my swimsuit... and suddenly.. medium
dawn pecan
Hair flows a bit, but if you need 50 dynamic bones for that, just don't try
earnest harbor
sure
woven steppe
I wear my halterneck and skirt... 2700 cloth vertices are active and boom... very poor
glossy wharf
@vocal shard yes, its all we have, so You have to live with compromises
earnest harbor
but it's the fact that a single collider means the best you can get is medium rating
glossy wharf
@woven steppe 2700 cloth verts is poor.
warped thorn
This just in: VRChat encourages us to make our avatars wear less clothes!
glossy wharf
You wanna stay around 500
earnest harbor
god forbid you might actually want to avoid having hair clipping through your skull and body
glossy wharf
Cloth is the worst performance issue if not used correxctly
bronze sun
i have 7 hair bones and 2 hand colliders, instant poor rating, everything else is very good rated, its jusst frustrating
dawn pecan
Does modern games even have something like dynamic bones? I really doubt it
sullen escarp
i think the obvious solution here is to remove all hair and clothing from avatars
glossy wharf
@earnest harbor its unoptimized and adds unnecessary calculations for Something so trivial.
dawn pecan
The system is too hard on colliders
vital rune
yes, it has existed
dawn pecan
I don't remember it in Ark, but there might have been a bit
earnest harbor
wait... sait, hold up a second there bud
woven steppe
hey... I got it down to 2700... It used to be 14,000
earnest harbor
@glossy wharf you serious right now?
glossy wharf
You obviously havent looked at a profiler in your life before @earnest harbor
vital rune
Watch Dogs's Aiden Pearce coat physics
earnest harbor
@glossy wharf you clearly misunderstand what I'm saying and going off with your own theories and twisting my words
inner cape
Here we go 🍿
glossy wharf
"god forbid you might actually want to avoid having hair clipping through your skull and body" not sure whats there to misinterpret.
earnest harbor
so you only saw one line then?
pliant prawn
Fight!
vocal shard
Use of 2 rigid bodies drops your performance instantly to medium
glossy wharf
I mean you wrote that and i saw that
earnest harbor
cool story bro, good to know that someone as "smart" as you is capable of reading an entire situation and argument from a single line
vocal shard
sounds legit
glossy wharf
Yike, thats a block
twin jacinth
Lmao people get offended too easily nowdays
cold ibex
woven steppe
I could remove all articles of clothing and be down to the bandaids and I'm good 
earnest harbor
so you block me for having an argument that you might not actually understand what I'm saying?
cool, I don't need your input
sullen escarp
hell yeah, let's make avatars out of bandaids @woven steppe
woven steppe
Yep... Game literally rewarding me with nice circles if I remove my clothes
glossy wharf
No im going off one message that you wrote, if you write a short story put it in one message.
pliant prawn
Triggered
earnest harbor
but I can make a model that is a single mesh, a single poly, and a single collider and it'll be rated medium
glossy wharf
This lobby gets spammed rn, sorry for not reading up 80+ lines
So youve done the same thing and didnt read up enough, ive been saying that for 5 days
woven steppe
Bodypaint avatars gonna be new fad
earnest harbor
everyone has, this change is dumb and it's broken the servers worse than they were before the update to new unity
pliant prawn
I make all mine nude and just delete the naughty bits
glossy wharf
The values are complete utter garbage, it shouldnt count colliders, it should count dynbone transforms stricter, as the collider counts the affected bones double
umbral reef
I love these updates just because people freak the fuck out 
glossy wharf
There shouldnt be a limit on colliders at all
earnest harbor
This update is going to ruin the population and popularity of the game
umbral reef
Ow neat that's the 12th update in a row that will ruin the game
earnest harbor
you can quote me on that
glossy wharf
And most importantly, dont use an issue like avx as an excuse to push other shit like this system into the main branch not even 10 hours into the open beta
pliant prawn
@earnest harbor just like the last two updates?
twin jacinth
Doubt it will lmao
The game has been dead since the uganda break out according to a lot of people
earnest harbor
last two didn't put in a beacon for crashers to go ham with
umbral reef
Fairly sure it's the community doing that
earnest harbor
all we have now is target practice for people with crash guns
vital rune
every major update is just another step for the game to collapse like a house of cards
woven steppe
It's not even a game to be honest... It's a social platform to chill with friends
So anything extra you can do is just a bonus for me
earnest harbor
and avatars that take multiple minutes to load that only took seconds before
glossy wharf
@umbral reef nah lac, its these controversial updates, 10h open beta and it goes into main branch, what is this supposed to be dude
umbral reef
But sai
Seen my dope as sweater yet in bm?
glossy wharf
No
pliant prawn
Dead game abandon ship
umbral reef
@glossy wharf that's indeed retarded at
But it's not like they fixed bugs normally in open beta so........
vital rune
I mean let's all be real here, the entire game itself is held in duct tape, glue and barbed wire at this point. You'd think it's already held by spaghetti code and questionable systems
glossy wharf
Im severely angry at the moment because of a shit system that will just make me optimize less cause im medium anyway
earnest harbor
like if my models are going to be bad from the get go why should I care from there?
woven steppe
This game's always about segregating players into classes though...
So I can't say I'm surprised this is happening rn
sullen escarp
i mean it is a social game
shut star
So you can cheese the way it counts materials....
vital rune
I really wanna come back to this game in lieu of Christmas but the updates keep on delaying me to do so
umbral reef
@glossy wharf just abuse the current but and ezpz
earnest harbor
making them "optimal" takes away from the quality and the time I put in getting numbers right
finite kraken
i think the new avatar clone is a bad idea
umbral reef
@earnest harbor also adds fps 👀
shut star
Because the game counts the FBX materials rather then what you actually have just give your FBX one material and BAM VERY GOOD
umbral reef
@finite kraken not like its something you can opt out of or not even allow by default if you upload stuff yourself
keen jungle
my avatar is a PNG, woot?
earnest harbor
yeah, considering the number of times I've talked to people on potatoes and ASKED them about performance with the models compared to other individual models... my "bad" model has no impact on performance. @umbral reef
twin jacinth
It's still fun, you talk with friends and socials
a lot of game modes and maps have been added that's cool
i don't see how it get's worse
queen mango
O.. hello there, Cupcake
umbral reef
@earnest harbor throw up the specs and we can really judge if your optimized or not
keen jungle
it says it's excellent @vocal shard
earnest harbor
dunno, they were on some lenovo laptop with integrated graphics
umbral reef
The system works shit for anything but the average thing and the limits are reatrded won't sent that
earnest harbor
so I'd say they weren't running very high end hardware
umbral reef
And I meant avatar stats
earnest harbor
362k tris with a single material/mesh
umbral reef
Also @glossy wharf can we write something explanion optimization and why some things are important
keen jungle
time to run around worlds as a still image :)
winged cradle
@vocal shard GPU dont read PNG, once loaded it either bitmap or lossless compression, or else oyu mean avatar download speed
umbral reef
Yea nice
But what about dynamic bones and colliders
earnest harbor
2 dyn bones and no colliders, considered very bad yet it doesn't do anything to frames on potatoes
topaz sapphire
sullen escarp
yeah that'd be just from the polys
topaz sapphire
HDS: Christmas (Release next Week)
earnest harbor
polys don't do anything to fps
winged cradle
ok ;p
umbral reef
They do though but a lot less
vital rune
@keen jungle time to run around worlds as a cube then
umbral reef
There are legit models that crash you when you walk into them 😂 purely because of polys
sullen escarp
but a room with 20 of you becomes 6 million polys
hold on tupper had a post for this lemme screenshot that
earnest harbor
meh, those are in the millions and aren't just polys
umbral reef
But things like more materials, meshes, Dynamic bone and cloth for sure are way worse
pliant prawn
Just get rid of uploading avatars completely, fuck it. Sell custom avatars as DLC.
earnest harbor
tuppers post also didn't take into account it was on old unity
umbral reef
@pliant prawn let's shut down the servers
Just as a normal respondse
earnest harbor
just ban everyone, easy
pliant prawn
Just play SL
twin jacinth
SL
🤢
keen jungle
it's true
torn nebula
Third life 
keen jungle
twin jacinth
While the concept is the same it's 2 different games
finite kraken
agile grove
The update is kinda awesome
BUT IT BROKE MY AVATARS AGAIN AND I LOST ALL MY FAV AVATARS since it fixed what broke
300 avatars now gone (well in public worlds that I gotta find again)
pliant prawn
Yesss
keen jungle
reuploading is a blessing
glossy wharf
Next up: you can only join on people with the same first letter as you
umbral reef
Well movie starting so take care
keen jungle
OOF
vital rune
you know for a social "game", they are really trying their damnest to seperate EVERYFUCKINGONE
pliant prawn
Desktop mode only
topaz lynx
so is there gonna be a new years party event in VRChat?
glossy wharf
Yes, times square map
Make sure to look out for the two beautiful ads i made on that map @topaz lynx
pliant prawn
Fuck
umbral reef
I should have made a body pillow add 
keen jungle
time to kiss a gif for new years
glossy wharf
Make one theres still billboards left
twin jacinth
what seperates the players
is the players
If a purple don't want to hang out with a grey simply because he is lower rank has the potential to eliminate people you don't want to hang out with because of their attitude lul
pliant prawn
@vocal shard stop giving devs horrible ideas that they'll probably implement
inner cape
The trust system was a questionable implementation socially
But the performance ranking is pretty fair (with some technical improvments)
umbral reef
@glossy wharf I ain't got time for that
School and alcohol sound more fun
glossy wharf
@umbral reef I got free alcohol at work today too, cheers cunt
keen jungle
ban nekos plzandthankyou
golden violet
Akko no!
umbral reef
@glossy wharf I hate you 
vast tulip
@inner cape especially because you can control your performance rating yourself. you can, right now, if you want, make yourself very good
keen jungle
lmao
glossy wharf
@vast tulip yea and look like a plastic doll 10/10 system
vital rune
I'm not even sure if I should come back anymore
umbral reef
@glossy wharfno there are some neat bugs to trick the system bigtime
twin jacinth
ban people who wants to ban nekos thankyouverymuch
glossy wharf
@umbral reef the hiding mesh is already being fixed
inner cape
Neko animation squad deserves to die 
glossy wharf
^
umbral reef
Ow no there is other stuff so far I know
Not sure how to do it but eh
glossy wharf
Thats the only bypass atm
umbral reef
Fairly sure there was something like having another avatrs rating apply on the one you submit
pliant prawn
Barely a few hours into public release and already talking about cheesing the system
Gold
umbral reef
We did that even before it was live so eh
pliant prawn
I love this game
vocal shard
Havent seen anyone with a green marked avatar that has dynamic bones in them
vocal shard
even some default avatars are marked as red
twin jacinth
Think they'll fix it tbh
avatar is such a huge thing and the system as of now is just straight up too punishing on certain items
vocal shard
Damn from open beta to actual update real Quick.
twin jacinth
Exactly when such a huge part of the community is complaining about it they should fix it
vocal shard
Everything on my avatar is green except dynamic bones but Im still marked as poor rip me
glossy wharf
using the avx issue as a cheap excuse to force the update on the main game
dawn pecan
Collider values are not good, but that's it
atomic swallow
pliant prawn
idk if the same handful of us whining in discord is a "huge part" of anything. Unless it's lit on the forum
twin jacinth
yeah the update was pushed out way too fast tbh
like it was barely 10h after announcement of ob
dawn pecan
It's live?
glossy wharf
Yes
quartz basin
Yes
dawn pecan
Huh, cool. Short beta
candid acorn
im not sure who thought it was a good idea to push this right before the christmas break, on a thursday night/friday morning
without doing some pretty big bugfixes based on the beta, I might add.
twin jacinth
uh, no bad, not enough testing
dawn pecan
System is hard on colliders, but every other limit should be easy to follow
atomic swallow
Gotta thank Ron for the push.
glossy wharf
Im glad you are not in a deciding position caff
twin jacinth
Agreed sai, lmao
dawn pecan
My avatars are good on average
pliant prawn
@candid acorn damn got me before I could say it
candid acorn
giving the community a christmas present was as simple as pushing chairs on avatars and working on the rest
dawn pecan
Only problem is that I din't bother to combine textures, but it would be easy. I'm just lazy
twin jacinth
We're not talking about your avatar, it's about your decision making
quartz basin
So, anyone tested the update regarding the performance? I mainly want to know how hard performance improves due to IK changes.
glossy wharf
Which is as horrible as the update
dawn pecan
I have over 140 uploaded
atomic swallow
IK is broken btw.
twin jacinth
Are you high again Caff?
dawn pecan
If I can constistantly upload "good" avatars, anyone can
glossy wharf
Once again, nobody cares about your avatars, its about your horrible decisionmaking
candid acorn
well there's a lot of load time on avatars loading in, like twice as long for some, there's a lot of A/T posing going on,
as for performance performance, I cant judge because my pc is brand new.
though i noticed when theres a lot of people in a room, ik updates lag like crazy
twin jacinth
the canny is set as complete for the ''intermitten Performance issues and avatar loading delays '' 
dawn pecan
Dynamic bones are too laggy in the amount that you guys want them in
jolly delta
Guys theres a broken version the loading avatar just broke it all end up blue hologram avatar some others are fine
Did anyone of you get this problem?
pliant prawn
@vocal shard we know, we know... ❤
candid acorn
I fully expect them to revise the ranking system to be a bit more lenient on things like polycount
sullen escarp
avatars -> 🗑
dawn pecan
What? 69999 polygons is "good". That's almost too high
dusk tinsel
Ye, tbh the avatar ranking system is a bit unecessary and unbalanced. Apparently having like 2 rigid bodies makes it "unoptimized"
vocal shard
What’s wrong with the new update? Or are you guys just triggered because your avatar is unoptimized
humble geode
snail marker automaticly makes your avatar very poor. rip mutes.
glossy wharf
@vocal shard nice bait
pliant prawn
@vocal shard yes
candid acorn
it's biased towards the flat chested.
glossy wharf
You tried.
jolly delta
Did anyone of you get this problem?
dawn pecan
Some are triggered that their avatars are unoptimized, a few are complaining that just one collider will make your avatar poor (despite not being very laggy on its own)
twin jacinth
oof man saying that shows how little experience you have in making avatars and optimizing
fleet ice
so many useless discussions, i just wanna have fun and not be the best in optimizing a fucking avatar
glossy wharf
Ignoring caffeine on most topics is a good way to keep sanity
humble geode
yes it does
glossy wharf
It does not
candid acorn
also, the absurdity of the system not actually calculating actual performance impact, but potential worst impact.
AKA, it takes all the stuff on the avatar and sums it up, REGARDLESS of whether or not it is active. so props, and even disabled dynamic bones
humble geode
it makes your size very big
glossy wharf
It doesnt
candid acorn
but the ranking system being silly is neither here nor there
inner cape
I have 3 trail renderers, 1 is the marker. I'm medium performance
candid acorn
it theres other issues
woven steppe
It only makes you size very large if you use the pen
twin jacinth
Useless?
It's actually proven that complaining is good for your health 
get out some steam and feel better about yourself
dawn pecan
Well, I guess people just move things 100000 units away to delete, which can make your bounding box big?
I haven't tested it (snail marker)
glossy wharf
Literally gonna avoid the discord for today to keep my sanity
candid acorn
also, ive learned that if your avatar bypasses the size limit, the ranking system I guess gets confused, and ranks it as good
woven steppe
My avatar is medium rated when first used
inner cape
I'm too bored to do that sai
woven steppe
when using the pen it goes very poor... If I switch out of the avatar and back into it again it's back to medium
twin jacinth
SaME
candid acorn
that's physical size, mind you.
dawn pecan
Ghoto has medium with a marker though
dusk tinsel
The avatar ranking system basically just gives people who complain bout frames a "reason" to unecessarily block someone when really their frames are tanking cause either their supersampling is too high or theres too many people in a room at once and they have the mirror on
past yacht
Just ignore poor avatars 90% of the game now unoptimized
candid acorn
or their computer cant really handle vrchat.
dusk tinsel
^
dawn pecan
No computer can
inner cape
that's only one side of it
candid acorn
(and lets be honest, some of the pentagon's top computers would probably struggle )
glossy wharf
Literally gonna ignore performance ratings, im gonna block annoying people, cancer shaders and after i check performance rankings for things that actualls matter
twin jacinth
^
dawn pecan
full room in VR. an i5 will get you 30 FPS. And i7 wil lget you 30 FPS. A i9 will... probably get you 20
dusk tinsel
Some avatars however are v poorly optimized like y'know the ones with startsphere or starnest
inner cape
I'm personally gonna look at material and dbone count to decide if I wanna block or not
pliant prawn
vrchat can only run pefectly on dreams and catgirls
sullen escarp
*run over
inner cape
Since it allows to view stats properly
twin jacinth
Caffeine i swear everytime you say something i lose 1iq
atomic swallow
Well it's mostly to push the optimisation onto the users... even tho the game needs to be fixed way more.
dawn pecan
It's all true though
glossy wharf
@dawn pecan the newest i9 has a higher single core clock, ur wrong
dusk tinsel
I get theyre trying ti push optimization but its p strict rn
twin jacinth
Sai is right y'know
inner cape
If they are marked as very poor, I'll take a look and decide for myself, if they are actually very poor or not
dawn pecan
Maybe one of them
jolly delta
@covert chasm the avatar loading just broke some are bluehologram some others are fine and loaded
dawn pecan
In general though, newer CPUs are "All the cores! Only 2.5ghz though lol"
glossy wharf
@dawn pecan amd maybe, intel kept increasing single core with every release, even if minimal.
sullen olive
What a surprise, all my avatars without Dynbones are Good/Excellet while the rest are poor
twin jacinth
Tupper
covert chasm
@jolly delta Known issue, will resolve itself within a minute or two. Its related to the issue in #announcements .
dawn pecan
If you have a 4.4Ghz i7, an i9 won't help you
pliant prawn
Enjoy your holiday break, dad
glossy wharf
@dawn pecan 5GhZ boost > 4.4 GhZ Boost
inner cape
dawn pecan
You won't find a lot of 5GHz i9s
glossy wharf
Yeah theres only one still you stand corrected
twin jacinth
Aev's avatar is pretty nice tbh
cute af
pliant prawn
But does it j i g g l e ?
dawn pecan
And if you do, that's what, 5 FPS more in a big room? "Your computer just sucks" is a bad argument for higher limits
glossy wharf
Dont switch the topic, you said the i9 is worse which its not
pliant prawn
You two are cute
woven steppe
https://prnt.sc/lxtpee
Medium rated when freshly spawn into...
https://prnt.sc/lxtpnw
Very poor rated when I use pen
vernal coyote
Just had someone that had a giant chair on their avatar and you would accidently jump into it and it would break your avatars height and you'd have to change worlds
vernal coyote
lols idk
keen jungle
OOF
pliant prawn
It's important
woven steppe
see mutes will remain safe from very poor as long as they don't use their pen (and provided their avatar isn't very poor to begin with)
pliant prawn
Back to mime life. We don't need writing where we're going
woven steppe
also rating doesn't go back to medium when I turn my pen off so yeh
pliant prawn
God I love this trash fire game so much
dawn pecan
Just remove the delete feature and reload your avatar to clear, lol
burnt fiber
Update was a bad move imo
pliant prawn
VRC was a bad move imo
woven steppe
I personally don't see anything wrong with the update... It gave me 10 extra fps
burnt fiber
You're not wrong, but addiction exist for me.
pliant prawn
Gotta get them anime tiddies in somewhere amirite?
gilded valley
how do u add chairs to model
fleet ice
a community vote about things would be nice befor they integrate unnecessary stuff
woven steppe
The bit I see a lot of wrong in is how harshly people are taking the avatar stat system
burnt fiber
Also, cancerous avatars now spread exponentially.
ebon sinew
Anyone know how to access previous favorited worlds?
pliant prawn
@woven steppe but the overreaction is half the fun
rigid crescent
nope, just slightly easier
livid gull
Hello all
rigid crescent
you could always drop a portal
woven steppe
I personally am amused by the avatar stat system since I literally could make my avatar be rated better by removing clothes with my clothes changing emote system
livid gull
Yeah, this is going to be a very "padoru padoru" crashmas
woven steppe
So I'm like very poor when fully covered... and good when nothing's left but band aids
pliant prawn
@rigid crescent yeah no, it's literally cancer right now. Just groups of kids with the most obnoxious avatars they can find for as far as the eye can see
burnt fiber
Pretty much
civic plume
wait if you dont follow these new avatar performance things you get banned? someone please say this is wrong
burnt fiber
All my avatars are rated very poor because of the guns that I usually don't use.
woven steppe
nothing's gonna happen if you have a poor AF avatar
fleet ice
bann the half of all the vrchat players, this would be the best move to get negative reviews
pliant prawn
You'll feel bad, and that's worse than a ban
burnt fiber
I'm not going to feel bad, for literally everyone else I've seen is "Very Poor"
rigid crescent
yup
woven steppe
Does anyone else have an avatar that could selectively change performance rating?
rigid crescent
no one said that monty lol
pliant prawn
No but I like the panic
woven steppe
"If you want more frames you'd just have to live with me wearing nothing but bandaids"
placid zealot
XD
glossy wharf
i really hope they start banning people for poor performance rankings according to their lowest value style of calculating /s
woven steppe
woe anyone who has my animations turned off
sullen escarp
same
burnt fiber
Say bye to the majority of people who play.
glossy wharf
Nobody will stop playing
past yacht
Yea ban poor people gg.. So 90% of the game?
glossy wharf
"Say goodbye to the majority of people they are gonna stop playing" yeah like the last 4 updates where people said that and the number increased in the end.
pliant prawn
@glossy wharf my friend, stop. They're madmen. They'll actually do it.
vocal bone
Personally I dont feel like playing anymore cause ill most likely be blocked or my avatar will be blocked cause its badly optimized
placid zealot
That's basically everyone who doesn't make custom models though. Like 90 percent of avatar worlds probably have a poor rating because of al the dynamic bones lol.
glossy wharf
Goodbye.
burnt fiber
How will I play if I'm banned, not including alt accounts.
glossy wharf
UR NOT GETTING BANNED LMAO
sullen escarp
@vocal bone switch avatars?
glossy wharf
I even put a /s in the end jesus
woven steppe
on the subject... Anyone keeping track of how many times they've been kicked from a room?
vocal bone
Basically all my avatars are red x)
glossy wharf
im gonna make a world called "Very good avatars" with just floating polys getting a very good rating.
sullen escarp
then fix them 4head
queen mango
I've been kicked.. 3 times in the last 7 months
woven steppe
well over the course of their entire VRChat experience
glossy wharf
A lot of people came back with the safety system
this one will not bring back new people but i doubt anyone will actually leave cause of it
sullen escarp
can someone make an avatar world of the rating icon pngs?
glossy wharf
nobody gives a fuck about the ratings.
woven steppe
Surprisingly I've been kicked only once... By Mimika
glossy wharf
Ive been kicked by rob back when i was a knuckles a year ago feelsbadman
twin jacinth
I've never been kicked from a lobby
glossy wharf
Ive only ever been kicked by my friends as jokes
burnt fiber
Got kicked once because I fell asleep.
glossy wharf
and the rob incident
woven steppe
When rob tried to seduce me... feelsfuckedupman
rigid crescent
i was kicked by ron on his alt account lol
glossy wharf
Mic when are we starting to film the new season of "VRChats desperate dating attempts"
Only in vrchat people become a couple and get engaged 2 months into the relationship
fleet ice
lol
woven steppe
people marry on sight...
rigid crescent
no thats an irl thing too lol
twin jacinth
^
glossy wharf
2 months into a relationship engagements, aka how to ruin your relationship 101
twin jacinth
MArrying is overrated and a waste of money
glossy wharf
2 months into a relationship you barely know about each others ins and outs, even if you spend tons of times together.
woven steppe
that said there are people who have gotten married after 3 weeks of dating
safe prism
my dad got engaged 3 months after getting together with his first wife
woven steppe
and it worked
cold ibex
only a waste of money if you wanna be that extra lmao
safe prism
¯_(ツ)_/¯
glossy wharf
"first wife" well that tells me how the story ended xd
safe prism
my owner collared me after like a week or two
glossy wharf
rigid crescent
👀
woven steppe
cold ibex
leaves
glossy wharf
God has left the lobby
twin jacinth
Jufo has left the chat
sullen escarp
🗑
woven steppe
I have rope...
twin jacinth
Jufo has joined the chat
Is it safe?
sullen escarp
no
safe prism
look you can knock collars all you like but you'll never drop one down the kitchen sink
woven steppe
I'm fine with a choker
vocal bone
collars are nice tbh
glossy wharf
🛑
fleet ice
i have a random question for all the sjw's, are you triggered by the fact there is only male and female to choose in the avatar descriptor?
twin jacinth
Jufo has left the server
queen mango
I mean the normal ones.. Not the uhh... saucy ones.
glossy wharf
@fleet ice for that question alone you deserve the retard of the day badge
woven steppe
dynamic bones of lewdness
fleet ice
@glossy wharf nice
hoary monolith
Yeah uhh its just masculine animations or feminine animations. I dont really know what else could you add there
Does it even affect anything other than sitting?
woven steppe
does it really even matter if you've replaced all your animations?
hoary monolith
So its just like do you cross your legs or nah
safe prism
it affects the idle animation
your fingers will idly grip more in the masculine anim set
feminine idle is a lot less pronounced
umbral nova
I wish there was more difference between the two default idles
clever pivot
Is someone able to help me out with character creation?
umbral nova
Anyway sloop. The bed calls me
glossy wharf
sitting in male and female is also differnet.
ancient kindle
anyone got infinite login loop?
glossy wharf
Check #vrchat-support
clever pivot
Also, how do you resize yourself midgame?
glossy wharf
Switching avatars.
or having an animation that scales your mesh, it doesnt change your viewpoint though
clever pivot
Ok
Doesn't change your viewpoint?
Ehhh nah .
How do you create your own emote
Where people, lets say create things around themselves
fleet ice
make an animation and override it on a emote
covert anvil
I dont really see the point of this new update
rigid crescent
youtube an animation gudie theyre easy
woven steppe
that's either shapekeys and/or activating objects around them. also this should go in #animation or #avatars-2-general
rigid crescent
@covert anvil thats becausse your focusing on jus the performanc ranking system and not the new IK stuff which wasnt hyped nearl as much lol
clever pivot
Any animation creations and avatar creation videos anyone recommends?
covert anvil
Still pointless overall
rigid crescent
no
youre actually wrong LOL the ik system is the biggest boost to performance we'll see for a while i think
glossy wharf
@clever pivot Tuppers mega tutorial is a good place to start, even though the unity version is outdated
covert anvil
Couldve been a small update but they out here endorsing avatar stealing again
rigid crescent
its not avatar stealing forehead just turn off sharing
covert anvil
Theres bypasses already 4head
glossy wharf
glossy wharf
I doubt there are new bypasses cause of this system, theres still old bypasses floating around
rigid crescent
gotta go before i get in trouble
glossy wharf
im not taking over i wanna keep my sanity
rigid crescent
lol lost it a long time ago
winged cradle
If there is bypass then update makes no diffrence since poeple who do those bypasses already can do that anyway
covert anvil
No someone literally used my avatar while it was private and I had sharing off
Brothers really out here
woven steppe
Well... tell the person to sod off then
covert anvil
No he specifically pointed at me and changed to it
glossy wharf
@covert anvil And how do you know its a new exploit. That exploit has been in the game for months.
rigid crescent
at least 1 years
rigid crescent
my friend used to do it back in january
covert anvil
It hasn't happened to me in this fashion for months
glossy wharf
i know someone that still does it like that.
fleet ice
the dev's probabaly made SDK intentionally easy to modify
covert anvil
I dont think I've met that someone
rigid crescent
so? it still happens most ppl jsut dont care any more
woven steppe
Basically... this exists... deal with it and move on...
rigid crescent
the sdk ha nothing to do with ti suiheisen nice try tho
glossy wharf
The sdk literally has nothing to do with it
rigid crescent
its a modded client. my friend used to do it as far back as january tho so its existed, its just not as comon anymore
glossy wharf
its the same with people that think if they remove the script removal from the sdk their scripts work ingame.
glossy wharf
No they cant, its a modified client.
glossy wharf
The sdk ripping has been fixed, the url you need is not packaged anymore in avatars.
covert anvil
You can upload vrca files with some modified sdk
fleet ice
my commend was for the bypass stuff in general, i write very slow sorry
winged cradle
Way the "stealing " works is that modify client that people who "steal" use asked for avatar with your ID, this updates does the same thing legaly, but with limitation. So if you avatar is stealable like that then this update makes no diffrence really for client modifiers
rigid crescent
exactlyy
glossy wharf
That is not completely correct
opaque jewel
consent
glossy wharf
but im not going to go into details of how it works.
already have enough idiots trying it out.
covert anvil
Disabling Future Proof is useless now lmao
glossy wharf
It has always been useles..
rigid crescent
seen models wit no futur proof stolen 4 times back to back same world
covert anvil
Its useless for baseripping
rigid crescent
youre grossly misinformed basic.....
covert anvil
Not getting full unity packages
glossy wharf
You are really misinformed on how avatar stealing works.
winged cradle
Also keep in mind that you avatar is cached in everybody computers and can be ripped as any unity asset resource.
glossy wharf
also not correct completely
covert anvil
Shaders would break
winged cradle
yes
lapis nebula
Quick question, now that VRChat is on the Oculus app, should I have it on Steam too, because when I want to test a world in Unity, it seems to try and open it through steam which doesn’t work
rigid crescent
so? most are public lol
dawn pecan
Only material and fbx are easy to rip
glossy wharf
Shaders are the only thing that breaks as they are compiled
rigid crescent
or i use my own shader LOL
winged cradle
that because they compiled and can be reversed by normal unity buld
dawn pecan
People are too stupid to make anything useful out of the rest
lapis nebula
So, should I delete it from steam and just use Oculus app ?
covert anvil
Tbh I cant even go into detail in here without getting yeeted
dawn pecan
Like the shader file. they like 50k lines in a format that you can't apply in Unity?
glossy wharf
I mean you are already heavily misinformed.
covert anvil
Alright state why and how I am misinformed
dawn pecan
With CATS anti steal, you should be safe from cache ripping
lapis nebula
Any Oculus users here ?
glossy wharf
Because the process you mentioned is not new, nor is it the way avatar ripping works.
That is the way you are misinformed.
covert anvil
Its been since THIS update that my avatar is spread now
rigid crescent
Except it's always been a thing
glossy wharf
Congrats, you ran into one of the few people that still rip avatars
cold ibex
tuff
glossy wharf
its been a thing forever.
covert anvil
Ik it's been a thing but the way ripping worked back in the day wouldn't even work like it used to
lapis nebula
Any Oculus users in here ?
languid beacon
o/
twin jacinth
How hard is it to add something in your hand with an emote?
want be able to hold the snowboard i have mounted on my back, but im new to editing avatars
glossy wharf
You can still just apply the blueprint to your account and keep shaders.
cold ibex
yes hi kry
languid beacon
Very easy
covert anvil
As far as I know the only time I saw my avatar before this update was only my base
lapis nebula
@cold ibex how do you fire up VRChat ?
glossy wharf
So you ran into shitty avatar stealers
lapis nebula
Steam or Oculus app ?
covert anvil
Would be odd though
glossy wharf
Theres a difference between script kiddies and people that know what they are doing
its not new, nor has it been fixed.
covert anvil
Got special dll's to protect this bs
twin jacinth
Nice
want to start with the easy stuff first, don't want to aim to high and get demotivated >.<
rigid crescent
Lol
covert anvil
But I ber its ingame now
cold ibex
I cant, oculus shut down the oculus desktop shit. I was gonna ask their support until I saw like the alert thing.
covert anvil
In my unitypackage, you could just remove it per import but who would check lol
rigid crescent
Imma get back to drinkin gl sai lol
glossy wharf
Your dll doesnt get uploaded nor used.
lapis nebula
@cold ibex how “was” you running VRChat, steam or Oculus app ?
woven steppe
@twin jacinth Make a duplicate of your board in your hand but keep it deactivated and invisible... on an animation make it so that the board on your back disables the same moment the board on your hand is enabled. put this on a gesture and off you go...
yes there's a bit more to it but that's the jist of it.
covert anvil
No but the times before this update ripping unity packages was a thing
Now VRCheat type shit is happening
glossy wharf
Yea but the dll doesnt get included on unitypackage upload
cold ibex
Wym 🤔 I always open VRChat in Steam if thats what your asking.
glossy wharf
even if you had future proofing on
We have a whitelist of stuff that gets uploaded
Thats why modifying sdk to allow dlls and scripts doesnt do anything
covert anvil
Ik, it's more for if you open the package your unity would crash. Ain't my DLL but it seemed to work before
lapis nebula
@cold ibex for some reason, if i use Steam, my Oculus display is black, nothing on it, only on pc monitor
glossy wharf
the game itself has dynbones and co inlcluded, merely the values get saved on your avatar.
twin jacinth
Nice, thanks @woven steppe
People always ask me if i can use the snowboard and now i have the chance to edit my avatar so why not :P
would be really cool
glossy wharf
@covert anvil It doesnt work though, they do not get included.
Dlls and scripts get stripped from the future proofed package before upload
cold ibex
I would say to not even fuck with Oculus rn, they already said on the website theyre "currently investigating an issue preventing some VR users from entering" or some shit like that
lapis nebula
@cold ibex I’ve had this issue for months
But, I’ll not be using VRChat till after xmas anyways
cold ibex
But if it has been happening for months dont you wanna fix it
lapis nebula
Yes, that’s why I’m asking for help
covert anvil
@glossy wharf I'd say, believe whatever you believe
cold ibex
The most I can say, is just google or support.
covert anvil
pointless to argue about malicious shit in here since I could get yeeted of here
umbral reef
Mods need to be active in here for that to happen 👀
cold ibex
Basic, your pfp looks cool ;')
covert anvil
not taking chances lol
fleet ice
typical for this chat basic
glossy wharf
Imagine thinking the mods are doing anything at this time OMEGALUL
chances of ruuubick telling us to go to random chat are higher
fleet ice
because you have everytime some specialist they have nothing to do than watching the chat the whole time and feeling adressed by every comment
twin jacinth
Mods yeet you if you tag them
umbral reef
Someone being able to prove I'm not best boy is higher
And it's impossible to disprove me being best boy
queen mango
You mean, husbando?
twin jacinth
Oclac, Elire is best boy
Sorry to burst your bubble
queen mango
umbral reef
Best boy and best husbando is the same thing
queen mango
Say what now?
umbral reef
Aso fake news jufo
twin jacinth
Is true
umbral reef
No no fake news
twin jacinth
No it's true
umbral reef
Just ask sai
tiny ginkgo
I'm down! I live!
umbral reef
Or ask advert
twin jacinth
I think we need to make a pool for this
nova shell
Curtis
cold ibex
no spppoky spiders got u , nass
twin jacinth
to prove who's wrong/right
glossy wharf
Elire is jailbait, not even close to best boy, oclac is best boy and husbando
tiny ginkgo
No, I survived 
umbral reef
See 
twin jacinth
Sai your opinion is worth -1 which means you give a point to Elire
Thankskty
cold ibex
;o
umbral reef
@twin jacinthyour opinion is -3 tho 
queen mango
How did I end up here again?
tiny ginkgo
Come Elire. Take my hand. I will get you out of here.
I know of a place. A good place.
cold ibex
oh no
errant vault
Rogur
maiden saffron
@covert chasm y my Avatar very poor 
vocal shard
Particles are evil
maiden saffron
nani u mean
vocal shard
So unoptimized
maiden saffron
u had Particle systems
visual cloak
vocal shard
Ill lag Just Reading your name
maiden saffron
u have barticle systems you broke my pc
maiden saffron
nani i dont have a light
vocal shard
Yes
maiden saffron
it was sapphire
vocal shard
Youre the light in my day
glossy wharf
usually 24-48 hours. Depends on how much you interact with people and how many friends you make.
some people get new user in 3-4 hours because they make friends and interact with people
empty ingot
Hey umm.. Has anyone else noticed the eyetracking in VRChat is like.. broken? Avatars don't look at you anymore, and eyelids open up super wide at random times and it looks creepy.. :/
Its not just my model, its for everyone, but you dont see it in the mirror
nova shell
ok..
maiden saffron
jeuse
vocal shard
?
maiden saffron
<3
delicate stump
vocal shard
❤ 
safe marsh
So, did the banter about this Avatar rank system being another way to descriminate like the User system begin yet? 
tiny ginkgo
Oh boy
tacit plank
Long ago
tiny ginkgo
Don't scroll up
tacit plank
"QQ I'm not allowed to have 100 dynamic bones! Now people wil judge me for lagging them!"
noble narwhal
Everyone looks like crap anyway so just go ham with hide avatars
tacit plank
And some actually legit points like avatar bounding size and collider count making an otherwise good avatar seem bad
safe marsh
Good thing i only hang out with friends 95% of the time then 😂
noble narwhal
Sad that I have no friends
safe marsh
On those 5 % that i am in a public ofc
inner cape
Seems like you're in that stage
safe marsh
i bet every avatar is Poor anyway unless the ones that look like bullocks
inner cape
💤
noble narwhal
I am always on public cause I have no friends
safe marsh
i heard even some that look like shit being ranked as the worst ranking lmao
noble narwhal
Hey even the original models are medium or poor
safe marsh
ive ebeen trying so hard to optimize mine, but i guess unless i removed all dynamic bones its gona be dogshit
tacit plank
In big rooms, no computers in the world can run well
noble narwhal
I legit ain't care the only thing I care they made 70k limit now now it's legit gud
inner cape
You're using one of the most generic avatars these days, switch to something better and more "optimizable"
noble narwhal
Doesn't have any dynamic chit
umbral reef
This really bring my Christmas heart to a blooming
noble narwhal
Nanosuit 2 from crysis 3
umbral reef
TBH mmds are just retardedly badly made when it comes to poly count
noble narwhal
21k Tris polys
inner cape
delicate stump
I got a 100k 3ds max avatar, going to look nice at 70k when I arrive home
rough pulsar
They're badly made in general for a real-time rendering system like a game engine.
For an animation program they're fine.
It's why MMDs need so much work to get them into a fit state for VRC.
tiny ginkgo
Is mmd like daz models and such?
inner cape
Not to mention how scuffed they are because people often leave out things that won't be seen on camera
rough pulsar
In a sense, yeah.
In VRC the deadline for a frame to be rendered is pretty low (especially in VR, 11ms), compared to a general animation program where sometimes that deadline just doesn't exist.
For example, I made a 3D animation as part of an art installation last year. The display size was... I think equivalent to 4K spread out over 4 screens and each frame took several minutes.
👀
inner cape
👁
delicate stump
hardy viper
too early
tacit plank
This Discord doesn't like frogs
inner cape
No
delicate stump
I remember being in a room with 80 people in the early days, those days will fade away like tears in the rain
inner cape
Rule 16
tacit plank
Because an old woman yelled about it some years ago
woven steppe
people not reading the fine print
tacit plank
Old woman yells at frog. Media thinks that frog symbolizes hatespeech. Online communities bans frog
inner cape
Uuh
tacit plank
Don't group me in with those silly Americans
inner cape
Can we talk about something which is not optimizisation and the ranking system related? We're gonna get that anyway from the newcomers
tacit plank
I oppose the rules more than most people in here
twin jacinth
People are too easily offended that's why we can't have nice things
tacit plank
It's not, it's a reaction picture
hasty wedge
is dis the daily pepe convo 
inner cape
Caff is NA
tacit plank
NA?
inner cape
No wonder now, it all makes sense
woven steppe
Poor Swastika on pokemon cards...
cold talon
hes NA?
twin jacinth
Yeah it is
always someone using pepe and then it has to be explained why or they rant about how stupid it is
tacit plank
What's a NA?
inner cape
NA is NA
vocal shard
Pepe = peepo
inner cape
You're too NA to understand
delicate stump
eternal september
cold talon
pepe = peepo =/= peepee
tacit plank
Pepe is disliked by American lefists or something, so it's banned in here because VRChat doesn't want any drama around it
cold talon
yes
tacit plank
I don't see how eternal september and "NA" are related
inner cape
cold talon
( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
twin jacinth
Lol
rough pulsar
Um, let's not @inner cape :|
inner cape
cold talon
queen mango
O my.. Ghosto. 
inner cape
A bit more safe
tacit plank
If you guys could act like 10 year olds in Random instead..
cold talon
inner cape
delicate stump
someday
woven steppe
hmm... anyone put a chair on a fixed joint yet? so you could just plop chairs around
cold talon
nah tupper said its not gonna happen
we could make really stable flying machines that don't rely on glitchy collider mechanics
delicate stump
or mecha robots