#vrchat-general-2
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Called out by Tupper. oof
Exposeeeddd
Don't worry, when I get my nep I will be putting effort into it. Animations and optimization.
Can we get a VRC produced and promoted Yt channel where we expose semi known users within this community for there bad optimazation đ
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That's no longer necessary lol
How about no
How about yes 
I have brought great shame upon myself already lol
@median basalt Seen what i wrote within BM?
Which one? @umbral reef
a shame, really
The 39 material avatar is older I swear
My new friends đ
So i have a guy who I have unfriended, blocked/etc and he can still join on me in friends only servers when im the only person in there
How is he doing this?
Probably a friend of other friends.
No one else is in the map, he shouldnt be able to join on me if I have him blocked
How do i report that
he is using the website
to join on you
i think you can bypass some stuff and directly join on a world
How does he know im online within second of when i login
If you suspect him of doing something bad, moderation@vrchat.com.
if I have him blocked
maybe he got another account that you friended ?
No one is safe.
I blocked all 3 of his accounts cause he was doing it on others I didnt know he had
Oh, I know someone who got banned 40 times. They never came back to VRChat, according to my sources, but if they have multiple accounts, things like that are to be expected.
Anyone have a good tutorial for OvrDrop? Been having a ton of issues trying to get my chat up in vrchat while streaming.
No need to repeat your questions in different channels.
We saw it.
We don't know.
There are 50000 people in this Discord, for Christ's sake.
bro "we don't know " seems like a pretty generalized response, also calm down.
OvrDrop has great support I've heard, also a bug tracker and a Steam forum thingy as far as I remember
They can try as much as they'd like, only staff can do actual bans.
File a report and submit evidence.
Tony these things happen to you surprisingly often, are you trolling?
What the hell lmao
How old are you?
Sadly, we do need to remove you from here as you need to be 13 as the first rule says.
please remove him
Yeah, that's the reason why.
this guy is pretty bad at trolling
thanks
Clapped
I missed some entertainment?
Just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone asking for help because they're afraid to get banned, then admits to being 10 years old.
what're the odds of an ingame yeet/
he should get banned in-game too technically
Then he was right 
Only in a different way he was thinking
If there is undistupable evidence to connect their discord account to their VRchat account, then it most likely will happen
and if there was, ban wave?
Seeing as they posted VRC stuff in their channel... 
Then appropriate action would be taken. Not sure why it would come as in a wave.
It wouldn't be a wave. The kid admitted to being 10, but there's no way to see if others are lying about their age unless they also admit to it.
it would be nice if there was a way though. Not a fan of squeakers in VRC
Pretty easy to track them down.. Just hear their voices..
And if they're mutes?
Then it's impossible
has anyone had an issue where you cant change your home even if you reset it or go to another world and try to set it?
why does unity just constantly freeze ? is it like an autosave??
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Hello people
@vocal shard hey
Hi all

What do red avatars mean?
means the avatar is broken i believe.
2017 but not 2018? Reeeeee
vrchat upgrade?
2018 is more stunning in graphics
REEEEEEEE its not 2018
built in shader graph đŚ


@ocean arch why would the update be to an incomplete version of Unity? This is an LTS version
I'm confused on what you said
Will do
Good to hear about an upgrade anyways though. This is already a major improvement
ONGONGOGMGOGMGGKOEKFOFOGKFKFKGKKEIG
I'm just here for VRChat. Not Unity. Lol
Clearly an early April Fools prank
oooooohhhhhh, I'm scared-cited
Seriously, glad that it's getting an upgrade
I'm mega scared
I just read it. Now I understand
oh boy it's happening
shields eyes
One thing I'm somewhat okay with is that people won't say "It's single core" anymore
2017 is a major leap regardless. Also the same version our university uses for our game development course. Looking forward to it guys :+1:
But at the same time
Updating all 200 of my avatars is a big no on my part. I'm just gonna update the ones I use
EXCITING THINGS woo
O my
Finally upgrading but not to 2018
Only slightly disappointed but glad at the same time
We gots multicore now?
Finally, an upgrade
Anything is better than 5.6
(i will not updating all my avatars, because all of them look cool n cute)
I already moved voice off main đ
what are some features of unity 2017?
idk much about 2017 but I guess I'll check it out.
Hopefully we'll get improved multicore now
can we use more than 1 core now holy
Is that a VRC Team member on Invisible?
G A S P
is invisible
holey flipmoley paint3d fbx models can't track there
He's just one of many
<.<
HAHAA
>.>
DAN XD
Voice off main?! Yes!!!
FIVE SIX!
im clapping

clap clap
I see a VRC team dude, if we have multicore now then praise the emperor I shall bludgeon a heretic in your name đ
VRChatâs Community is now much larger, and asking users to re-upload allof their content is simply not viable. With some very gracious assistance from Unity, we have managed to avoid this issue and move forward with VRChat. Unity provided us with a patch was released in 2017.4.15f1 LTS that allows us to use the shaders included with the AssetBundles youâre uploading to VRChat.
There was much rejoicing when the upgrade was announced
I really want to use unity's built in shader graph and make some toon shaders that don't use emissions. Guess i'm stuck with the outdated Shader Forge :/
A common question weâre expecting is âWhy not Unity 2018?â Weâre primarily focused on moving to Unity LTS (Long-Term Support) versions rather than every incremental Unity version. This allows us to ensure that weâll receive support from Unity in the long-term and that future upgrades go more smoothly. Once 2018 has an LTS version released, we can start looking into moving forward with that upgrade.
does that announcement mean that the game will finally run well or what
We chose Unity 2017.4 LTS because it gets us a lot of fixes, tools, and improvements that have come along with the last year of Unity development.
@gritty shard just download unity 2018 and make the shader there
Kinda
for the people who cant read
then move it to vrchat
It will run better yeah
im so happy for this!
Several people are typing
I'm just happy that more variety will be introduced with the 2017 compatible assets.
same!
i wanna stay forever, 5.6.3!
naisu
ayy perfect timing
This update is fucking huge and has been needed for a long time now
i gotta redo all my avatars anyway
bc i made them fast and shitty
now i can go slowly
So will this version of unity run on the gpu or what? I heard the current version doesnât really
Please do not tell me I have to reinstall a new version a unity and redo all my avatar projects for vrchat now
i know a lot of people are pissed about having to redo their avatars but tbh this is for the best
@lusty venture dont need to
well i shitty decimated them too
I bet this is all in preparation for the udon inclusion as well. They probably didnt want to be limited to 5.6 features with udon.
@tidal aspen won't there possibly be compatibility issues using the shader graph on an older unity version?
like everything shitty
my head hurts now because of hype
@vocal shard there is a folder you can most likely use for the new unity
maniacal laughing we will have control. all the buggy scripts..
VRChatâs Community is now much larger, and asking users to re-upload allof their content is simply not viable. With some very gracious assistance from Unity, we have managed to avoid this issue and move forward with VRChat. Unity provided us with a patch was released in 2017.4.15f1 LTS that allows us to use the shaders included with the AssetBundles youâre uploading to VRChat. @vocal shard
im just gonna play other vr games until vrchat is done going to 2017
tbh i just want the game to run properly when there's more than 14 users lmao
We chose Unity 2017.4 LTS because it gets us a lot of fixes, tools, and improvements that have come along with the last year of Unity development.
no shader graph is like shader forge where it just converts all of that into unity's shader code
It's true, we do all of our rendering with SwiftShader and avoid touching the GPU. /s đ
you shouldn't have to redo your avatars lol
oh, nice
So updating all my avatars to 2017... Will my Unity scene actually be intact when I port over or will it be entirely broken?
Well wouldnât using the gpu be a good thing?
YO, i play VRchat with a gtx760
there shouldn't be any compatibility issues unless there are some functions I'm unaware of
get on my level
@sterile drift yes
gt 740
Because I have a nice gtx1070 waiting to be used :^)
@sterile drift You wont have to touch your old avatars, unless you want to update them
Weird flex but okay
@civic plume Which one is it L O L
these people with crappy graphics cards make me sick
well you could give us the money
@kind folio The thing is I'm gonna want to because I update so many of my avatars a lot
Small things but still
I use a lot of them
All the time
give us money rich baby kid
I assume we will basically be on the final build of 2017? @civic plume
rather buy myself 2 rtx 2080 ti than give someone else free stuff
its gonna be the build that supports "long term support" from unity
2017.4.15 it says
im not sure @dense orchid just read the blog post
tupper put the chat slow down thing on D:
Multicore confirmed or naw?
Man I just wanna use the gpu so itâll actually run well
i mean gtx960 is the min for vr isnt it
gtx760 in vr
@lusty venture Well ya obviously, but I mean like, "2018" is the current Unity build being focused on for new features/updates. I was wondering if this is the last 2017 they released before moving on to 2018
40% res scale in steamvr beta thingy
i play vrchat on a playstation 1 in vr
minimum specs for vr are a meme
^
tru
it depends on the game
very tru
It's a bit of a meme. People state that VRChat doesn't use any more than one core (it does), and that new Unity versions make it possible to use more than one core (only partially true).
oh yeah good idea
Still no news about chairs on avatar..sad
i can play vrchat smoothly at 60 with the gtx760 at 40%
can confirm my gt740 can run some vr games
thanks
thanks tups
i have a couple of vrgames that i can run fine
if the 2017 unity improves performace i prolly can go to 50% 
Funny thing Tup, I've only seen like 2 people say things about it using only one core since last time I talked to you
So will this version of unity use more of the gpu power?
clap clap
i hope so
it's just the more demanding titles that i can't play
Will I still be able to upload from the Unity being used today after the upgrade? I have a world I'm working on with Animations and I don't want to have to reanimate it all
Either no one asks or everyone is catching on
probs both
@vestal edge No nothing bad should happen
Fraggington what is this beast of a message you're typing?
What version is it again? 2017.4.15f1 LTS or 2017.4.5f1 LTS? or are they the same thing?
maybe hes slow
Nothing is happening to Live VRChat. You can still upload stuff, update stuff, etc. However, you can upload worlds in 2017 and it won't affect Live VRChat. Avatars are a bit different, read the blog.
@sage pewter 2017.4.15f1 LTS. Did we misspell it somewhere?
So we can start uploading ahead with different ids?
Read the blog, it tells you.
i think reading the blog is the good thing todo
@covert chasm Nope, I noticed a very similar version number in my Unity Hub Launcher under Official Releases
I did read the blog. I just want confirmation from a person.
then just use copy paste
@unkempt cliff Correct. Detach the id and reupload with unity 2017.
Thanks
Kay thanks
I'm the person who wrote the blog. @unkempt cliff So, uh.. double confirmation?
ctrl+f, copy unity version in discord, ctrl+v, search in unity
Yes I like double confirmation. Lol
looking at it twice is a double confirmation too
I would like a professional referenced citation please
i can confirm tupper i see the version, it is the last version for unity 2017 @covert chasm

unity 2017, squeee
At tupper
is this blog post even peer reviewed smh
I hope this means I can reopen my theater world
oh boi i am so excited! i just copied the block to the 70 servers i am in to spread the word
Derp. Of course, I didn't see the latest 2017 LTS because I hadn't updated my Unity Hub Launcher
I'm going to go sit in the corner
Ok if we are using this version of unity
Fixes to audio/video sync means theater worlds should be much more reliable
All my assets need to be reimported 
yay open beta
Then what about all the stuff we got. Do I need to do them all over again and install and new unity version
If you don't care about the beta just keep playing you don't need to reupload anything
Read the post guysss (Before asking questions)
uuuuh im looking at the new feature list of 5.6, and it looks epic
all you should have to do is get the new unity version and detach the avatar pipeline thing
well read it twice for a double check
I am so pumped for new unity!!
Appreciate the announcement, Tupper.
Oooh I wonder what kind of new particle features there will be, if any.
already gone to 10 different isntances in vr telling everyone xd
it seems its gon have better fps, so im happy for the 50% res scale to lower it again
Iâm reading the thing. And I might have to redo all my avatars. Not happy
My VRChat uses about 10-15 percent of my gpu lol
@civic plume Im too lazy to play vrchat while on my pc lol (you know what I mean)
@kind folio how about working built in world space particles
Thats a feature?
Yay I gotta reupload 70 avatars
epic
@vocal shard I mean, not really lol, if you use 70 all the time then suuure but you dont NEED too.
im gonna delete all of mine exept 1 i like
others are doing the same thing! haha
When you're happy you're only a creator for 1 year in vrc and have less than 20 avatars.
And only 5 of them i like to use. xD
clap clap clap great update vrchat team. I love wasting my time uploading shit I already uploaded
I literally said you DON'T need to reupload avatars unless you wanna play the beta
ok i am going to the presentation room to spread word now
VRChatâs Community is now much larger, and asking users to re-upload all of their content is simply not viable. With some very gracious assistance from Unity, we have managed to avoid this issue and move forward with VRChat. Unity provided us with a patch was released in 2017.4.15f1 LTS that allows us to use the shaders included with the AssetBundles youâre uploading to VRChat.
was just about to post that lol
I have to reupload like 200 avatars lmao
the panels in my world don't work, in the beta
So does this mean my tail wag wonât work anymore?
Yeah, i usually don't do the beta stuff so i'm fine.
alright you guys waste your day reuploading instead of reading a post for 2 minutes lmfao
No, Lunaco
We should be lucky this isn't a complete content wipe. The fact that this upgrade is coming with this amount of compatibility is appreciated. It's annoying that I have to upload a lot of my avatars, but it could've been much worse.
Couldnât figure out a way where we donât have to reupload everything. Nahh it k fam. Cause i have lots of fun reporting all the textures, models, shaders, dynamic bones, animations and everything
Ok cause like I just learned how to do that and Iâd be salty if my wag broke Xd
you can always do it again for more practice đ
But you don't have to
... 
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You donât have to re upload all your avatars
read. the. post â¤
Clearly you can't read
Read the blog post. That's stated as a reason why they're using 2017... So you DONT have to re upload
puddle i'm not sure if trolling....
Then Unity announces their newest version in 2018
Oooo do I gotta reupload my worlds too. Cause thatâs greattttt
technically it is, they're just still working on 2018
Ok... Gotta be a troll
So I gotta ask
They just dont have the lts version for 2018 yet
Wait so we DON'T have to reupload.

@vocal shard You don't have to reupload anything, especially if you're not participating in the beta. They pulled some strings to ensure reverse compatibility
WE do]
But if we do want to update our projects, we will have to update that project's version, safely mind you.
Does terrain lightbake work in 2017 VRC? @covert chasm đ
yeah from what I remember
I'm getting mixed signals uhh
You dont HAVE TOO unless you want to be in the beta. Or you can just make a new avatar
Sorry if this has been asked 100 times, what can we expect it terms of performance gains and optimization, anything?
I miss visiting this chat channel, its always great....
@kind folio My friend is in the Open Beta right now and he never reuploaded his avatar
The light not baking in terrain is a 5.6.3 specific bug iirc
Who is this Several People user I keep seeing typing messages?
That bug is caused by shaders
He's screensharing and his avatar is perfectly fine
@sterile drift if you want any of the new features then youll have too.
If you switch out the shader on something like terrain the issue will go away
But when the update actually happens would we have to reupload then, Iâd think not right?
The light was baking into terrain though.. in Unity.. it just didn't seem to survive the uploading process into VRChat @tidal aspen
Iâm sorry but it said we had to reupload our avatars due to shading issues and blueprint issues. @sage pewter
TL;DR uploading
5.6 avatars work in 2017
2017 avatars don't work in 5.6
if you upload a 2017 avatar it will not show in 5.6
if you upload a 2017 avatar onto a 5.6 blueprint it will not show in 5.6
Dafire im gonna copy paste that often
Ok so when the update happens we donât have to reupload unless we updates the avatar correct?
Only need to re-upload if you want to play on the beta. If you wait until 2017 goes live, than your avatars well switch over on their own
Ok that makes sense
@thorny sparrow The update to 2017 itself will bring a host of network stability improvements, things related to networking should be relatively more stable. As for the actual performance, all the update will do is open doors to future improvements that the devs can work on
Got it, thanks
thanks gama
Over time things will improve (it all wont happen at once)
But what about animations with rotations it said something about it not working and Iâm alittle confused on it
100% Tree, overtime things will improve but slowly as dev is difficult at times
Some specific things may need to be updated, but the majority will port over
None of what's posted will affect you if you're playing 5.6
@vital urchin In the cases listed in the blog, you just reupload your avatar/world in 2017.
Yes any animations that involve rotations will be broken sadly. You'll have to reupload with the new Unity version
What tup tup said
all of the issues are from playing 2017 which will be fixed when you reupload that stuff, not everything needs to be reuploaded though
Ok thank you.
I donât see why people are panicking I see this as. Good opportunity
I'm lowkey kind of sad we don't have to reupload everything. I feel like it'd kind of give the place a sort of fresh start, specially their servers that are probably clogged up with old abandoned avatars and worlds from the player surge earlier in the year
You can still have a fresh start.
no we are preparing sniper
im kinda happy about it, like ive deleted like 70% of my old models cuz they took up too much space and I would never work on them again, but I still wouldnt want to loose them
I havent played vrchat in months seriously, so Im going to personally look at this as a sort of fresh start.
(if unity would hurry up and download)
Fresh start VRChat 2 when?
default avatars only
lol hotox. xD
I'll have 220 something to reupload with my estimate but still so worth it XD
uh oh
holy shit xd
TIME TO MAKE SOME NEW AVATARS
tru
15 sec slowdown wtf!?!?!
I'm excited
Turn that shit off pls lol
Maybe I'll have shadows with transparency
ok im out for vrchat2 ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
I am excited too fraggington
@vocal shard Its helps keep down the spam.
hello evryone , just wanting to know , multicore support on the more recent version of unity there gonna update to it ?
*everyone
english aint my main language
tpying is hrd lunre scoot.
Especially for us non-engrish primary speakers.
guess u can't ask a comunity something simple eh
But seriously, I love that we get Vrchat on a new unity version 
okeh
what does that mean
Excited
I feel like i'm one of the few greek players. I've never met another yet.
what does upgrading to other unity mean for players
better performance maybe ?

Better performance and support
but if the content people make are unoptimized that probably why it run badly
@shy pawn The update to 2017 itself will bring a host of network stability improvements, things related to networking should be relatively more stable. As for the actual performance, all the update will do is open doors to future improvements that the devs can work on
also drafy, yeah multicore. so at least we'll have a bit better performance.
c-can you slowdown pictures too
the game already is multi core silly
Did someone say...
VRChat 2?
apparently, i think tupper said before
Am I a copypasta now? 
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@undone belfry thanks god , that the most wanted thing for the game , hope it will help older cpus
yes gama :3
just continuing to spread the message for those who jsut learnt of this upgrade to vrc
@indigo fern vrchat 3 technically
low key curious what new avatar limits will be snuck into the new sdk
Lol
why not calling it vrchat 2017

jamie i was thinking that as well.
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will this update mean more easy time adding extra features to specific games/worlds, so like stuff like being killed and combat can work easier
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smiley approves
You right, this is VRChat 3, but now that this is out in the open, I can complain about wanting VRCh4t
Only in Vrchat V!
i hope this upgrade lets me actually have an upgrade button on my vrchat, so i can actually link my steam and vrchat account 
vrchat 2025 when?
ooooo Unity
why is there a 15 second timer no one constantly types that fast maybe a 5second timer
vrchat was already running on unity right, just another version?
When can I mess with the new unity?
because its an update, i'd think a pretty obvious reason to have a slow mode on it, otherwise some chats wouldnt be able to get a word out
yea, its on unity 5.6 currently
hey Staff change the time on here to 5 seconds 15 is to much
We need VRChat on CryEngine!
You can use unity 2017 on the open beta
@finite kraken right now.
the slowmode helps keep this channel flowing well, theres alot of messagers >.>
CryEngine 
why can my 2010 laptop not run this game what makes it so demanding
then at least 10 seconds
when are we gonna get vrchat (game maker studio)
VRChat: RPG Maker Adventure 
wait
VRchat Smash Bros
or even better vrscratch
VRCHAT UPGRADES TO UNREAL ENGINE 4 :ghasp:
Battlefield VRChat
VRChat Source
Left 4 VRChat
CryVRC
lol source xd
why won't my 2005 IBM thinkpad run vrchat :((
runescape but vrchat
I'd be in it for the pvp.
Why won't my TI-86 run VRChat?
no idea @tidal aspen my commodore 64 is running just fine
But can it run Vrchat?
lol
i forget the make of tablet my brother used but it ran novmember build of vrc with 5 fps in a world with other people lmfao.
at least it worked
Why can't I run it on windows me?
XD
I dunno whats wrong with you guys, it runs fine on my Motorola Razr
what are you talking about i can run it on windows Youlose
When will the game get rotary phone support?
When will VRChat get calculator support?
when will vrchat be social again
Make VRChat Social Again
Playing vrchat on my Casio
Are you guys hyped about the upcoming VRChat sequel "Private World Simulator"?
"mirror simulator"
Hotox
Playing VRChat at all
oh boy these memes
I can't be the only one that doesn't stand in front of mirrors 99% of the time.

Playing the IRL version of VRChat
I can stand in front of a mirror for like 5 seconds then I get bored and find something else to do
i only use 'em or my camera for fbt calibrations then move on.
i see the community is still a bunch of virgins
welcome back then

That was random...
Alcolet, you went from 0 to 100 bro. incoming flame lmao
0 to
real quick
Super Mario Chat
damn it n8 with the puns.
Good n8
@vocal shard We're entering a second life here. Of course we're gonna ve on that
still not understanding the people confused by mirrorchat
Mirror = larger fov for talking with friends
Not everyone needs to constantly run around and have particles blasted in their face while riding a flying rainbow unicorn on a gaint space ship underwater
MirRChat
Some people just like to....yknow. Sit and talk with friends. How is that so confusing? lol not really trying to roast, but I always think "have these people never had friends?" when someone doesn't get it
Standing in front of a mirror talking to friends is one thing. The people who sit in front of a mirror silently and are clearly not afk is what we are talking about
I just prefer a world with some good lighting, ambient bgm and just talking or moving around every so often within the world.
Never understood the sit in front of a mirror for 24 hours
Exploring cool worlds people make with friends 
Sitting in mirror all day in a box 
Speaking of cool worlds, there's that Shibuya map
oh no, not the cursed box 
Should I install the new Unity into the same folder as the old Unity? 
wait, which box we talking about? theres like 500 of them
Wants to privately sit and talk with friends
goes to public world
On the second floor of Cafe Seiren (Starbucks in 2018), there's a mirror room.
Cafe's in the building just in front of Shibuya Station in that map
Nobody said spend all your time in front of a mirror. But like we go and run some maps for explor world's with some friends, and then after that, we might just want to sit and talk. It's usually easier too see everyone if you're all in front of a mirror when winding down after hours of activity
@vocal shard Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you guys all sit there all day long.
i have a few friends that do that though, won't even move for 8 straight hours from the same spot in front of a mirror.
I don't understand that. The mirror itself is boring... It's your friends that make things fun. Lol
yea, ive seen people who have some group where a requirement is to sit infront of the mirror for extended periods of time
I have two friends who sit in front of a mirror hugging each other for up to 4 hours at a time
it's a little creepy
oh those are annoying, i've yeeted them all from my lists though
they add nothing to my experience
yea, im 100% down for actually communicating while in front of a mirror for hours, but there are definitely people who just sit there and say/do nothing
^
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yo
idk maybe i'm the weird one, i'm fine with looking into a mirror rarely like i do irl.
This is coming from someone who spends 4-14 hours of her day each day tweaking and working on a model.
Yet i won't sit there and admire myself in a mirror forever when i can just go do stuff while in the body i am proud of creating.

oh snap 
"when i can just go do stuff while in the body i am proud of creating." like what tho lol
thanks whoever added the emote, may or may not be Tupper
Rip
, long live 

I both made and added that emote
weird flex but ok
one day
mic, explore worlds, play some of the not so broken game worlds actually go chat with people not lurking at mirrors 8+hours
questionable showcase, but all correct
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New emote?
I mean i chat with people...in front of a mirror lol most of these worlds really aren't that impressive, not in a bad way, it's just like
started at
, now we here 

yo anyone elses avatar loading red
like i'll play murder once in a while, sure
Is there still going to be a 20k poly limit?
\o/
yes @tall ingot
Yes
Friendship ended with 
Now
is bestfriend!
Disappoint
but I prefer sitting and talking no matter where it is. it's a social game, I'm socializing and mirrors add the larger FOV and more immersion while doing so, so of course it's what I'll be looking at while doing the thing i like
Well yeah there are days where you want to just sit and relax too, i get that.
Yea..
Like after a stressful day, you wanna relax in a flower field with a mirror there
a certain flower field with a lot of bloom 
Inside a cave with a shack, and soothing music courtesy of Emi Evans
oof



ban me
i usually prefer friend's worlds
bet no one want to join unity 2017 vrchat without mirrors lol
nier and Nier:auto best music tracks, fight me otherwise.
Seeing someone add that area to vrc made me cry when the music came on.
@undone belfry Agreed
I just want seafront from Nier: gestalt now...with the music.
And the entire Amusement Park with its signature theme
ooooh yesss. the fireworks in vr would look insane.
Pls make Square Enix convince Tokyo Disneyland to make that one
Or Pascal's Village with the music
just release an update where they remove mirrors
because 80% of the people in great pug sits at the mirror .
@weary cypress just go to 2017 unity vrchat most mirror broking lol
^
is that english
??
the update to 2017 will break all the old mirrors, its in the update blog
oh well :3
but mirrors will be back after awhile anyway
What would actually happen if VRChat removed mirrors? Mass hysteria end of the world shit?
we can build new ones?
vrchat will be dead cause everyone is all about mirrors
world be empty
now to play devils advocate it makes sense to have htem if you make avatars
Is the new patchlog saying that video sync will be same for everyone after the patch?
Can anyone tell me about the videosync patch?
i dont have much info
guys i have a problem i was known user and my steam account disconnected me from my vrchat account and for some reason i'm a simple user now
i found a server to a random place that was in the Pug server's basement idk what to do xD
without mirrors people would just be annoyed for a time because sitting with groups to talk would be less immersive and it would be harder to test things
that and harder because of the fov being lowered
It's time to reupload my avatars
i bet all avatar worlds will get broken if they need to re upload? but im not sure
Uhhhh, safety settings? Hello?
doesn't matter
Uhhhh, block button?
lol those existing arent an excuse to have annoying particles, that's like saying "uhh, safety settings? hello?" as an argument for particle crashers
well if the particle limter thing still works, i'm fine with people doing whatever.
@rigid crescent That's not like saying that, that is saying that
are you brain dead XD
crashign and shit will always exist as long as the particle systems are actually aloud in vchat lol
Hey loud is not allowed
they don't even need particles to do it tbh.
A single shader is enough, so is anyone making a mesh override that renders so much to crash you.
You'd have to restrict the game almost entirely to attempt to prevent it and even then...yeah.
which causes people to crash
did you not just read what i said? did i fuck up?
If particle systems are enabled in vrchat then regardless of sdk restrictions people will still make particle crashers.
people will always find a way
i do, reported someone last night. a girl thinking she cool owning a crasher and just crashes "cancer" people, sorry lol you can use the vote to kick thats why its there
This is why we all need to play Roblox
lol
plus most particle crashes dont work if limiter is really reduced. the crash that may happen is if they are using a bad shader
"which can be blocked by safety settings"
^
I've yet to meet a crasher i think, all i run into are people that make loud bass-meme avatars with obnoxious screenshakes that throw the screen around and flash colours fairly quickly making me dizzy and almost fall over lol.
i just block them or their avatars.
i dont mind the bass ones since avatar and sound effects are low
God forbid someone figures out how to stack audio sources though.
Crashers crash for attention and superiority. Have we tried just ignoring them? Or is it our need to be superior that pushes us to retaliate?
the sound fx ones are bad because some worlds have quiet music so I bump it up to max, and then some avatars still somehow are allowed to use sound fx
joined a public pug a few weeks back to a shader screen shake that covered half the pug and the music had to be global, there was no escape and that nails you a perma-block from me.
@small wing already found a guy that did that
I assume vrchat has a hard clip set to the volume sliders themselves or a limiter of some kind.
Oh, then they dont. oof.
one guy had a blackhole shader that slowly expanded whilst being locked to the world and eventually crashing everyone. it was in mic night and pug once
I had a great time in vrchat, but j guess that's an outdated topic
all you can do is report them to moderation@vrchat.net with evidence and outputlogs
Yeah, exactly, lego.
and pray they get the 1 month 
Or just flat out tell everyone in the room who survived who did it so they mass report
in the past i used none standard shaders on my outfit to just mess with people ( turned into green army man) then i looked at how many people clicked show avatar from the api and stopped doing that
no i pray for 1 year
cant wait till next update
This years theme is talking about crashers non stop, giving them the attention they seek, and either fighting back or joining them.
Screw having fun in vrchat. This is why we are all here
#BattleOfTheEdge #2018 #blessed
so your a crasher?
there is 1 month for being bad, 4 months for ban evading, and 4 years bans for multiple moderations on the account unless there are others i dont know about
I think you can just straight up get permabanned once tbh. It depends mainly on how bad you screw up.
yeo
@vocal shard Yet i've never met one and just go about enjoying my time in vrc. I only run into obnoxious meme-avatars with max music volume radius.
Which is easy to deal with 
the funny thing about crashers is that vrchat crashes often enough by itself (memory leaks, etc) that they would have to make it clear it was a deliberate crash or you will assume it's a bug/glitch (so if you block/mute/pay no attention to them it makes their crashing pointless).
]mostly it just lags when it leaks to that point
crashes when alone REEE vrchat is full of crashers
i dont mind meme avatars until its a really bad shader that affects you in vr and desktop
but yes, blocking or hiding their avatars will lead them to the nuisance role, making others not experience what you have seen
@hasty wedge b-but they joined you with modded client just to crash you, so you weren't really alone.
x-files theme starts playing.
đą !!!!
@undone belfry I've been around long enough to see pewdiepie popularize it marginally. Then the knuckles. Then the death of the game with the popularity of private worlds and the death of the knuckles.
I can officially say the latest trend is crasher fear mongering
back in my day the devs told people to start using private worlds
@vocal shard Were you around for "its free realestate", rainbow cult, nep takeover?
If you're not afraid of, constantly taking about, or are a crasher, you won't fit in
i still use the knuckles model as its sorta cute to look at as a 3d model 
public worlds are just fine tbh
i would pet myself if steamvr didnt always crash for me
I never went to public worlds all that much anymore considering the state of them
Crashers = end of the world
Model rippers = meh
o no theyre gonna crash me and steal my CUSTOM AVATAR that took me 5 hours vrc devs when are u gonna fix till then ima stay in private xdddddd
Cause i've been here since early October-2017 and know how the whole fear thing trends.
joined around or after the celb thing
then people make up BS rumors to scare others and most now come from groups of crashers or people who think scaring people is funny
the devs pushed priv worlds about that time
"contest" lmao. I don't use it like that, it was a simple statement. There still actives far as i recall that played in feb 2017.
I've been in vrchat since the start of it being conceptualized on paper for a project
Gg I win
dead mouse was it played and vrchat started getting more popular
Please.. I just started 5 minutes ago. Get on my level.
XD
unless i see something in #announcements about a rumor that is debunked true, peoples rumors are debunked as BS as always
but it was not a push because of crashers i dont thing
I'm gonna make my own game
but anyway im gunna keep going to public
You'll have to try and have as much of a chitchat with other players as you can before a "griefer" shoots you and crashes the game
I'll call it VRConversation
$0.99
definately doesnt come from a trusted user. i put all my trust in them 
ill just stick with normal vrchat and be in public all day with no crashes tyvm
don't make it crash the game, just make it invert the entire area and controls as you fight your way back to that awkward conversation.
This is why I like ForHonor
You mean peacekeeper spamming lights? :^)
As long as For Honor exists, VRChat is a good game
I think Fallout 76 is the worst game ever released atm apparently to everyone.
So many people hating on it its unreal.
76 is a dirty number now
It always was ever since soldier 76.
I cant get past level one. I even tried the bonus "I'm feeling lucky" level
Inb4 everyone says "Why can't I upload my avatars anymore?!"
Jamie I beat you to this nickname lol
looks at eevee's send tag....
"Well... This is awkward"
I believe I had it for the last hour.. but I can change
Lol
I mean
đ¤ who is who
We can both have it. (Forgot safe mode was a thing)
There ^^
when you go to a party and your friend is wearing the same outfit
Lol
Hmm...
hmmm
Hmmmmm
~Banned for spam~
is it just me or is slow mode getting even more ....... slow
and b4 1 min timers
1 min timer? oof. I doubt it'll get that bad.
I'm waiting for 2 minutes (the max afaik)
now thats just spooky
We can't just sit around waiting to get a 2 minute timer!.. We have to make it happen!
15 seconds feels long enough tbh.

how do i beta test the new unity?
The sdk link is in #vrchat-2017-beta-info
Chat kinda died quicker than I expected after an announcement like that... O.o
They wait anxiously, Jam

Speakin of silly rumors, just this very day, hours before the update announcement, someone made a comment about a "lost the source code" rumor on the canny post about updating the unity version v:
I love when silly rumors are spread.
so to making it clear i download unity hub then i click the download in the hub exe and then 2017.4.15f1 LTS
so out of question is there any berserk fans out here cuz i wanna know a fitting theme to play cuz im making a guts model transform into berserk mode
I bet I'll end up sitting in the corner again, but how do I opt into the beta?
or should i go for like 45 seconds of ash crow and move to blood and guts
@sage pewter Same way ya opt into any beta build on a game in steam. But incase ya don't know, in steam, right click on it in your library and go to properties, there will be a beta tab in there
Derp, thanks
you know what would be cool?
A 2d model that when it rotates, it changes image
something like in doom.
i mean i belive thats just a shader
I've seen it a million times
@sterile drift has one he uses for a Game Boy overworld sprite pokemon trainer
Will all avatars have to be reuploaded with the new version of unity?
Not when it goes live. Only if you want to try the beta now
In the blog post, they mentioned how that's one reason they went with unity 2017 rather than 2018. If they used 2018, everyone would need to re-upload all their content, and they didn't want that
unity 2017.4 isnt as old as someone might think
the version we are on was released tihs month
If you used crunch compression you'd have to re-up ;-;
@vocal shard 2017 better then then nothing lol
Why do I have a feeling something major will break đ¤
hmm? i wasn't complaining. i think it's great
Iâm hoping light baking runs faster and better in the new version.
i'm having an issue where
if i play the game in vr, i instantly get disconnected (connection timed out)
but the game works just fine on desktop mode

help
connection timed out sounds like an ISP problem as its high latency from you to vrchat servers
Why is slow mode enabled wew
obvious reasons
@clever nimbus because 2017 unity news pop up lol
so im kinnda dumb when it comes to the inner workings of unity. why is this upgrade big news?
@gloomy valve spouse to bring better performance and more feature
best part? all these worlds need to be reuploaded
same goes for avatars too i suppose?
and learn how to use 2017 unity feature
No, avatars should be mostly fine
Unity 2017 is basically the same but with more options from the little I've seen. the average creator should have no issues
some avatar have reupload
yeah a few will need to be, like crunch compressed, but on the whole I think it should be fine
animation rolation and some shader might change all black or white
but worlds needing to be reuploaded is pretty much genius 10/10 big brain play
would this increase how many polys our avatars can have? or are we still stuck with the standard 20k limit?
still at 20k
Maybe in the future, no one really knows. as of now it's 20k limit that everyone totally follows
notice poly count isnt mentioned at all for world declining despite it showing up in the scan
if whip vrchat now of day we have alot mad people lol
5.3 to 5.6 was small group people lol
I mean with the unity 2017 upgrade I can see them updating the standards as they go, such as poly count and such
for now i think the standards are good where they are
besides polycount, but again, they don't decline avatars over the limit
people need learn reduce there materials
but 3d modeling is harrrrd
cause they know where the actual lag comes from.
dont be lazy and learn lol
i mean if you're making a true custom avatar
Ever since i started my material limit is 5 for max and if i have to push it, i go to under 10.
1 is my goal for materials and i prefer manually atlasing.
but if youre just importing an avatar for VRChat it's braindead easy and not real 3d modeling
*looking at all those people uploading with 50+ materials 50+ dyn bones and 30+ meshes
im trying. for some reason 3d software takes longer for material to sink in for me.
Mine has been 1-10
my avatars i use in public are always 10 or less and 40 or less transforms
@gloomy valve there tools reduce it like cat plugin
ay shit- thats a neato teaser within announcemen
? @umbral reef
when people are like; "i'm 40 materials and have complex shaders"
me: 
i have been wanting to make my own avatar based on the one you see on my discord icon
game version upgrade
oh, that is a bit harder then if you're doing your own from scratch
It's not a teaser the open beta is out rn. @umbral reef
Right now? Lmao the post says soon
No
thats waht im talking about. its not the basics, its learning allt he macros for maya or blender
Beta is now public release later
Its coming public soon but it's in open beta right now for any user
6 month learn blender make it easier
But it will probably be in open beta for a while considering this is a bigger update
true
@raven silo so it took you 6 months to learn it? im sorry im having trouble reading your statement
@gloomy valve yea took me around 6 month my avatar in my pic what made for avatar
It took me about the same to learn a lot of blender's uses.
i still learn stuff everyday that makes rigging easier for myself
saddly rn im busy wiht a comic project so i dont really have the time to learn.
But u can probably learn a lot faster considering there is a lot more videos and tutorials than there were back than @gloomy valve
you can allway get some one to make one on vrctrades @gloomy valve
this is also true. but at the money commissions are not in my budget
for now edits and imports are a fun way to get my feet wet.
i learned all i did mostly on my own through tutorials. every time i have a problem, i just google it
9/10 times i find an answer
just get bear head with mmd hoodie add string on top of it head
yeah, ihad to use google before all the guides started showing up for stuff i was learning
My favorite video though for when i was learning textures is a guy that showed me how to make really good detailed spec maps. đ
its not a vrc vid though
See i wanna do textures. I just hate the Unwraping Process.
yeah, unwrapping can be. Quite a pain at first.
any advice on how to ease the burden?
that took me a week off and on to even start learning cause i was so dumb lmao.
I'm trying to remember the video i used for it in blender.
i'll check this out. saddly i gotta turn in for the night in a few minuets lol
no worries, i should prob sleep myself.
Wont i have to do everything once again in new unity version?
Or ill be able to just make unity package of things and import them to new project in new version?
ya read the post they made...?
Not yet, i just woke up lol
do that first ;p
@undone belfry oh Heck, this video makes so much more sense...then again i had a Terrible Professor when i was learning Maya.
Blender guru has been my go-to for learning so many things lately if i get stumped learning it myself.
i wish i had this guy as a professor back when i was in school lol
I want to dance in VR but the sticker shock for that is un-fucking-real
especially for a gadget that does literally nothing else
I cant see my mouae in world menu. Any solution?
hi
@grave carbon Tried restarting stuff yet?
I changed my avatar.. Seems to be working so far
This slowmode triggers me hard mainly because its 15 seconds instead of the previous 10
Or well- Here its 5 seconds now but still
why do we have slow mode enabled now ? the fuck happened
Announcement with an @ every one mention
that really seems necessary with all the current spam in all the channels đ
They did it last time, did it this time and will do it next time
Well- EU is still waking up to the announcement but at the same time- People dont want up at all around the same time
So it will be a trickle of users asking stuff instead of a flood
when they matter doesn't wake up, they won't check announcements past the title anyway lol
all the info is in the docmentation anyway
dunno what they have to ask
they'll check the title then come here and ask
they will read since the only answer they will get is to check the official documentation for more info
How do am custom unity?
someone here will always answer it trying to be nice when all it does is promote laziness
Fairly sure last time i checked this community was not filled with tech smart people but instead the most average (dumb) humans there can be
Good edit ^
dumb is an understatement. you've gotta be braindead to see an announcement and come in and not read it
then ask about it when all the details are there
only thing i wanna know about that unity 2017 is how it affect the average player
the people that only know how to use avatars from avatar world or upload a very simple MMD model without any modification to it
basically, it wont
Average dude has to pray the avatar world they use gets updated
and there favorite world gets updated
so the average player won't really gives a shit then
Not really directly
they will have to bitch there fps still drops evne though we upgraded versions 
nah man, since it's unity 2017 it will be multicore, it's obvious
that means we can have 1K dynamic bones on all avatars 
No
I was about to say. Won't the most obvious benefit be potential performance improvements?
Isn't that still taxing on CPU, Lac?
does 2017 split your mesh?
cutstom render texture apparently
so no need for that weird camera workaround for GPU particles
also i wanna know if there is something new with the IK system with this new unity version
Prob not yet-
nothing mentioned
Might be redone from the ground up, same version or a slightly more stable current version
For creators, there's also nice little details all over, like improved features for mesh based particles, so to get an arrow to point in it's direction of travel, you won't be forced to jury rig it via a special shader.
Its an big update for creators
Also- Now this project is finished i got non meme hoped for udon 
Shit man- Soon people can only complain* about performance but even that can be shut down
im still on that "no more subcom" high tbh
the new unity is jsut icing on the cake that was my good day
If I understand correctly, one thing that might be broken, is legacy animations on avatars uploaded before that previous cut-off point.
aw fuck man
i use some animations with a lot of rotations
i'l have to redo all of them
There is a reaosn they killed them off squishy
@vocal shard From how i see it all you need to do is reupload them
Since I believe I've heard that up to date versions of unity removed support for legacy anims entirely?
I know why they killed them off.
Jup- Its the reason they gave in the past
I'm saying that all the older uploads that were allowed to keep them, might also have them removed now, since the game will no longer support it outright.
that's not too bad
it was kinda obvious tho
legacy means that it's no longer supported and is just there "just in case", not for continued usage
if you see something with "legacy" in it, you should probably rethink your choices
It was added into that version of unity so devs could upgrade theree projects without having to redo months of work
And they made it clear they would vanish in later versions so that peeps would have to jump over
However actually, since the animation component that used to hold legacy animations will no longer have the option to be marked as legacy, does that possibly mean the component could be re-whitelisted?
exactly, it was not there to be constantly used
especially not for random tail movement.
i don't think so squishy, there was an exploit in legacy animation files
you could modify the code of the animation file to take control of objects in any world you went tho
But the exploit was with the legacy mode right? Not the animation component?
one simple example is that you could go into the pug and remove the floor
the animation component is still white listed
just not usable đ¤ˇ
Unless that component itself is also obsolete or something, I'm thinking that if it can't be marked as legacy, then there's maybe no issue with it?
Although, I've no idea what it's supposed to do without legacy mode on...
Ah.
all these new shaders we can use will be fun
aww fuck
all those useful tool will be useless now
?
like this one https://github.com/rurre/PumkinsAvatarTools
except if you can port them version from version
honestly there'e not much difference, probably an eays prot
also, every single world will need to be re-uploaded
Big odds its still supported
most devs throw working from X to X in there read me- this one didnt sadly
Ouch.
All avatar worlds will be denied now for being badly optimized 
Lol
Ah dang, that means I'll lose my old crying Unity-chan from that world that got set to private.
seems like people think we don't follow rule 
For avatar worlds? My dude
i LOVE it
look at the google doc form
every single world got denied
Take a look at #public-world-request and what gets accepted and denied... Its insane
mfw people have irrational hate for us and think we're going to stop making avatars just because VRchat is an unoptimized platform that can't handle simple dynamic armature transforms
here we go
Mouse- Your retarded af for saying that
you make unoptimized avatars. period. you knowingly do so, knownig your platform has issues
Enjoy the ban. â¤
Its you not understanding how the engine works and how scripts work
stop lagging people and don't blame dyn bone for your lack of proper optimization
Not the game-
also, from classified world
World contains 6 avatars with greater than 50 DynBone affected transforms (highest count on single avatar is 206). World contains 8 avatars with greater than 2 DynBone Colliders (highest count on single avatar is 14). World contains 11 avatars with greater than 10 materials (highest count on single avatar is 53). World contains 8 avatars with greater than 2 Skinned Meshes (highest count on single avatar is 5). Please consult https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-optimizing-tips for tips on optimizing your avatars.
a ban from your world?
get rekt
100 active bones are the same as a Full body IK tracking and the voip system...
Your claiming its the games faults if insane amounts of users make 100 dynamic bone SCRIPT avatars, not active bones?
Please đ
it's ok, they're fixing all their avatars so they're within parameters
Wait up.. Wherr is this getting to?
so that's good, shows initiative to change
53 materials. Fack. That goes beyond disregard for optimisation. That's just plain masochism. Who could stand to try and work with such a mess? It'd be impossibly tedious to change anything.
Because they are forced to lmao
slow mode is still on...
O.o
Avatars mini sarah, uwuÇÇÇÇÇÇ, sarah 2.5x, up sarah, Timora, echoooo, uaaaaaaa, ďźďźďźďźďźall contain more than 100 DynBone transforms. 11 avatars contain more than 50 DynBone transforms. 12 avatars in the world contain 2 or more DynBone colliders. 16 avatars contain 20 or more materials. 8 avatars contain more than 2 Skinned Meshes. Please limit the usage of Dynamic Bones to the recommended limit of 30, limit the use of DynBone colliders to 1 maximum (ideally zero), atlas textures to reduce material count, and merge your meshes.
holy...
this one pisses me off tho:
This is the VEXPO event hall, so it is being approved. However, there are 96 avatars present, of which 15 avatars have over 100 DynBones, 60 avatars with 3 or more Skinned Meshes, and 37 avatars with 11 or more materials. Avatar "WooNanKki-Chan" by user "Gwisin" is particularly bad: it has 239 DynBone scripts affecting 393 DynBone transforms with 59 DynBone colliders. This is FAR BEYOND any kind of limit that we would ever recommend. Please encourage your creators to optimize their avatars by limiting use of DynBone, merge their meshes, and atlas textures to reduce material count.
yeah the vexpo one kinda gets me...
I find it cute how our friend doesnt even want to argue agaisnt this stuff and is prob reporting me to staff right now đ
Ow my im scared to get banned from this discord- Would totally ruin my life
Im memeing my dude
A Jerry. Nothing to worry about
Its sarcasm
Gonna call advert to ban you 0.0




