vrchat-general-2

[languid beacon]

X)

I hope I can do oculus headset + knuckles. I have both types of sensors already, just no vive headset

I know the vive wands communicate only to the headset so if knuckles do the same hybrid setups fly out the window

[meager flower]

hey guys i have a question so i've been approved on here but i still can't publish my map it says i haven't been authorized any ideas?

[languid beacon]

If the error says not authorized it means your password was wrong

[vocal shard]

you already can use the vive wands/knuckles with a rift/wmr by using a steam controller dongle for the Bluetooth.

Wmr users have done this with vive wands for a while now, and some devs shows the combo with knuckles too. They can work

[languid beacon]

Good to know thanks Jamie

[meager flower]

it says i need to spend more time enjoying the app

[rough pulsar]

Although at that point you're more Lighthouse/SteamVR than Constellation/Rift so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral reef]

@meager flower Being allowed in this discord isnt the same as having upload rights within game

[languid beacon]

But do knuckles controllers work with 1.0 base stations or do they need vive pro ones

[umbral reef]

And well- Do as the msg tell you.. Play the game more so you can rank up
But be sure to use a VRC account and not a steam account

If you are using a steam account make sure you merge it asap with an VRC account

[meager flower]

how would i do that?

[rough pulsar]

@languid beacon v1 lighthouses work with v1 & 2 sensors
v2 lighthouses only work with v2 sensors

[umbral reef]

Gotta do that ingame and while in your steam account

[languid beacon]

And lol yeah I stick with rift only for oculus dash, exclusive titles, the fact that it’s lighter, and, most importantly, I already own it

[meager flower]

ok i'll try it thank you 😃

[languid beacon]

When a vive headset becomes bundled with knuckles controllers I’ll start recommending to people over the touch bundle lol

[meager flower]

@umbral reef i'm sorry to bother you but how would i do that?

[umbral reef]

Let me dig up something as i got no idea myself

https://i.imgur.com/T2H623Z.png

[meager flower]

thank you so much!! 😃

[steady kayak]

@languid beacon knuckles not impressive?

and dont forget hand controllers for VR or alike is a patent minefield

I have both vive and oculus

the oculus default headstrap and lenses are superior.. the tracking setup of the vive is superior

The vive deluxe headstrap is superior to that off the oculus and the foam of the vive is much more dense then the oculus.. which induces easier sweating at more comfort

Full body tracking is awsome but the whole problem of having to charge so many things and the dreadfull battery life of the vive wands is a shame. The vive wands are quite easily the worst controller i've ever used.. leading me to believe the vive wands touchpads were there as a way to dump the stock of the touchpad of the steam controllers.

Some people to improve the vive experience are cutting out the vive lenses carefully and putting the gear VR lenses in with 3D printed brackets (result: MUCH sharper image and less blur spots but FOV reduction from 110to 90?)

[rigid crescent]

knuckles are an impressive idea, but they seem a lot like those "tech concepts" you see

yea they're cool but who actually cares/wants them and will use them?

[modern sand]

Everyone with vive wands

[rigid crescent]

I was hype for them for VRC for a while, but the more I thought about it, the less it really seems to matter as far as immersion goes, especially since it seems to just still be preset animations

really? I don't think he vive wands are that bad. they're definitely not the best, but they're far from being so bad i have to replace them with controllers that could cost a few hundred bucks

[steady kayak]

games will have to adapt to them perhaps but they will be more natural perhaps then the wands are

the touch is like.. so natural

[modern sand]

They're bad, and there is no alternative, i'd replace them instantly if I could, and most people I know with vives agree

[steady kayak]

^ yes

Ive been thinking of using my touch controllers with my vive but the extra tracking setup and the CPU overhead added pains me

[modern sand]

They're probably much better than knuckles if you play a game where you hold a sword or a racket, but any other use is less immersive

[steady kayak]

to having to grip to open your hands ... is terrible

or having to slide your hands on a touchpad you dont see to make hand gestures as you use it to turn yourself is not good

[vocal shard]

Yea

When I tried the Vive out for a few hours, the Wands were bleh

[steady kayak]

I constantly ended up turning myself randomly because i was trying to make hand gestures

with touch: I dont even have to think about it.. it all just feels so comfy

i can point a direction as I run

the full body tracking is awsome and feels like a new level of immersion... BUT.. not many games support it

and i noticed the trackers suffer from lots of overshoot due to the way the trackers were meant to be mounted.. its not rigid enough and their mass and size is too large for a soft way of mounting

[rigid crescent]

"They're probably much better than knuckles if you play a game where you hold a sword or a racket" Isn't that most of the popular games right now

[steady kayak]

watch any vrchat dancer and you know what I mean

[vocal shard]

Compared to touch, they are inferior honestly.

[rigid crescent]

Skyrim, Gorn, Baet Saber, FAllout, Orbus

[steady kayak]

also uh

did vrchat add the knuckles support to the build?

[vocal shard]

Touch controllers feel much better in my hands, also weigh less, and just feel better to swing around

[rigid crescent]

It's being added, but so far it just looks like preset animations

[vocal shard]

THey feel more fine tuned

[rigid crescent]

https://twitter.com/VRChatNet/status/1061012236141920256

still neat though

[vocal shard]

Yea, but there is videos of knuckle controllers being used to actually track hand movement and being used for more than gestures

Not hand movement, but for more than preset animations

Also, Ruuubick's Cube when?

[inner cape]

Can I get a shirt saying "Random chat" signed by ruuubick please

[umbral reef]

^^^ VRstore idea's!

[steady kayak]

doesnt look like preset

[vocal shard]

Lol

[inner cape]

I'd buy that honestly

[steady kayak]

looks like the skeleton tracking but i think its only part i think .. not sure

[vocal shard]

Or something

Hang on, lemme pull up the tweet i saw

[steady kayak]

since knuckles can only detect a part range of fingers

[inner cape]

wheres gunter, gotta pass the merch ideas to him

[languid beacon]

Really want opinion of knuckles vs touch controllers since that’s what I have currently

[vocal shard]

Hmm? I thought the knuckles was full range and pressure sensitive

[steady kayak]

not sure!

[languid beacon]

It is but the VRChat tweet is just wip and only detecting vrc hand gestures

Apparently ?

[vocal shard]

The tweet looked like it was only the preset gestures

[steady kayak]

i wonder if the overhead wont be bad to track each finger

[vocal shard]

But from other videos of the knuckles in other games, it's looks like it's full range, and that's why you need to calibrate them to your hand

Found the tweet

https://twitter.com/TheShadowBrain/status/1061214067661127681 I just like the way they are being used

[languid beacon]

Each finger is like what an extra 32 bits per frame? So 320 bits of sensor data?

That’s over estimating

Doubt it needs that much precision

[inner cape]

"none of that slow animation-based garbage. :)"

LuL

[vocal shard]

I just liked how he showed what they were capable of doing

[broken sail]

Stan Lee is dead?!

[vocal shard]

yes

[opaque hawk]

@vocal shard thought I should let you know that the “light occlusion” issue with dell wmr headsets is actually caused by real-time/mixed lighting, Not occlusion. Light probes fix the issue

[broken sail]

He was so young... only 90.

[umbral reef]

Nah he like just vanished- Plain poof

And wasnt he 95....

[vocal shard]

95

[broken sail]

right... 95.

damm time runns like sand thru my fingers...

[vocal shard]

Yeah, I noticed that too.... Realtime lighting seems to cause the problem for me

[opaque hawk]

Once I built my world with baked lighting and light probes the problem was gone

[rigid crescent]

realtime lighting is pointless in most worlds

there's next to no reason to have it outside of worlds meant to have just a few people on it, i don't get why i see it on stuff like Murder or hangout worlds

[vocal shard]

The big sister maps are really bad for me with the lighting issue. Almost half of my view is black at certain angles. Don't know why wmr has this issue with the lighting in a few maps.

[opaque hawk]

The only reason I think someone would opt to use real-time lighting is because of the myriad of issues that can caused by just having incorrect import settings that break baking as well as make it take extremely long

I don’t want to witch hunt world creators, it’s want to push people in the right direction.

[languid beacon]

Real-time lighting is nice if everything else is optimized and the world is specifically for showing off real-time lighting (aka things are actually changing dynamically)

I’m no unity expert though maybe day/night cycles can be done without dynamic lighting

[brisk umbra]

Question can you use your headset with oculus

[vocal shard]

Hmm?

Like headphones?

[inner cape]

as in, headphones?

if so, yes

[brisk umbra]

Yeah

[inner cape]

The oculus earphones are removable
Then if you have long enough cables you just use whatever you want to use

Even wireless headphones if you wish

[zinc solar]

OMFG!!! Just figured out Stan lee died Dx

[queen mango]

Damn, just now?

[opaque hawk]

Better now than never I suppose

[civic plume]

stan lee?

fuck that’s twice

i know who stan lee.. fuck i’m terrible at names

does this mean he won’t appear in marvel movies anymore?

[subtle prawn]

[umbral reef]

They pre recorded some stuff for him because they expected this stuff

But after like 2a3 movies he will be gone gone

[civic plume]

😦

well you can’t avoid death

it’ll get us all eventually

it might get me in 30.3777777 seconds

[ruby needle]

[inner cape]

F

[vocal shard]

F

[spiral oxide]

anyone know if theres any space marine voice changers?
or how to get one similar

[fossil root]

so like, slight distortion, highpass filter, and it goes beep when you stop talking?

[spiral oxide]

i guess xd

[zinc solar]

I know a voice changer to make a guy sound like a girl

[fossil root]

I have one built-in to my vocal chords

[gleaming patio]

wew

[queen mango]

It takes practice to get a grill's voice, but there will be no substitute for it once you master it

[gleaming patio]

how do you even overcome your voice change

[queen mango]

Uhh.. practice pitch control?

[vocal shard]

😢

great

im truly depressed now

[queen mango]

Why?

[vocal shard]

PHD Mcstuffin blocked me..

😢

[queen mango]

Damn. What happened?

[vocal shard]

idk

Hey Irumi

[queen mango]

Yes?

[vocal shard]

Just saying hi

[queen mango]

Oh, hello

[vocal shard]

my heart feels shattered, and my dreams😖

[ebon belfry]

Are there any events going on in VR Chat soon?

[mortal girder]

theres a hacker in my server right now

its so great

[vocal shard]

Skid spotted then

[mortal girder]

?

[vocal shard]

Script kiddie = skid

@vocal shard Are you sure about that?

Are you really sure Tony?

No response

Nice

I need to report some in vrchat asap how do i go about doing that

[neon flume]

#moderation-reports

[vocal shard]

yes

sorry

Are you really sure that your dreams are brokeN/

yes

Mhmmmm

i started this cuz of PHD Mcstuffin

mhmmmmmm

its true😠

Look lad, i googled up this man

He has a Baldi avatar, which I know you want

And it sounds like he muted you for good reason

Or rather, blocked you for good reason

Prove me wrong

what?

ok

i walked into meet him

and blocked me

Noone just blocks instantly

There has to be a good reason

tell him to give me 1 more chance

You do it

I'm not your servant

idk how...

Take care of your own problems will you

i hate my life 😢

Take care of your own problems, own up

..

how

[rough flax]

@vocal shard there was a guy that blocked me just because of "how I talked"

But he unblocked me now, so wee goods

[queen mango]

Man.. Blocked just because of how you talk?

[vocal shard]

...

was that supposed to make me feel better?

it doesnt

[rough flax]

I got blocked for not sharing an animation. That's childish.

I've been blocked for dumb reasons.

Most of my blocks are for dumb reasons.

Blocks against me

[viral yacht]

Anybody know how to do the whole play space mover thing in VRChat? I downloaded the openvr advanced settings from github but when explaining to my friend what I had on my page, she said I was missing something, not sure what though

[vocal shard]

Hey Tony

I'm talking to the guy who blocked you

you need the input emulator @viral yacht

The big guy

@vocal shard yoooo whooo?

[viral yacht]

Ahh okay thanks! Do I just look up play space emulator and download that?

[vocal shard]

yes https://github.com/naelstrof/VRPlayspaceMover has more details

get the input emulator from here: https://github.com/matzman666/OpenVR-InputEmulator/releases

[cinder dragon]

alright im so fed up with this problem. i have emailed the staff team a while ago without a reply. vrchat seems to always crash eventually when i play in desktop mode, whether its within the first 10 seconds or 10 minutes. i almost never crash in vr mode, and it runs perfectly smooth. but for some reason, when i play desktop, it always crashes. sometimes it freezes, sometimes it takes about the crash report folder, and sometimes it just straight up closes instantly. has anyone else had this problem? i play on oculus, and this has been happening im pretty sure since i switched to oculus. ive tried clearing cache. ive tried reinstalling the game. does anyone know whats going on?

i know this is the wrong channel, i dont know where else to ask. i mainly just want to know if this happens to other people as well

[vocal shard]

I'd try sending you log files to [e-mail] again

*your

[cinder dragon]

i dont even know where to find them now

i forgot, and i dont see a folder titled like the one in the window

[vocal shard]

read #vrchat-support

[cinder dragon]

thanks

[sterile drift]

@cinder dragon Is that the REAL Milton?!

[cinder dragon]

what

who are you

[vocal shard]

..

[cinder dragon]

i have NO idea who you are

you are irrelevant

do you even know who i am?!

i am THE medicine seller

mk?

[vocal shard]

uhhhh

[vale summit]

is vrchat uploading down

its saying error saving blueprint then saying check vrchat to see your model

but its never their

[vocal shard]

is that THE med seller?

How much this time man?

[cinder dragon]

nah not that kind of medicine

i sell

literal medicine

like herbs n stuff

and i bust ghosts

[vocal shard]

$80000000000000000000000000000000000

I AM THE idiot seller

Damnit man

I need the goods

You got the goods? I got the cash

[cinder dragon]

depends what kind of goods you're looking for

[viral yacht]

@vocal shard thanks! I got it working, menu button for Vive controllers. I’m going on a guess that that’s how full body users sometimes climb on to other players shoulders?

[vocal shard]

yes exactly!

or sink into the ground to pick up stuff

[viral yacht]

Is it just as easy as that? Or do they use or set something else up for their feet so they aren’t stuck to the ground

Or is the trackers enough to recognize the person is “climbing?”

[vocal shard]

as long as you press the button you can hoist yourself up or down, the tracking doesn't really recognize anything afaik

vrc won't put your feet on the ground

the playspacemover shifts the whole tracking setup and vrc isn't altered but follows the shifted fullbody tracking

[ruby burrow]

Either fullbody tracking or simulated fake FBT is needed for your avatar to actually leave the ground or pass barriers, though you can still drag your view point around regardless.

It's just that without FBT your feet are incapable of leaving the ground regardless of playspace, so you just stretch instead.

[vocal shard]

^ yes, without fbt or faked fbt (kinect etc) playspacemover won't work ... that's why the inputemulator is needed, it simulates a body full of trackers even if the tracking positions come from kinect etc

[ruby burrow]

Can be handy for a few things without FBT, such as grabbing items off the floor, or an alternative sort of way to mimic seated play. Another use is dragging your view point away during animations, or at places like the MMD dance worlds. But all the best and most fun tricks need some kind of FBT.

Floating, climbing, launching yourself around, sinking through the ground or walls, etc. I've only been able to do them using the fake trackers, which aren't ideal and a real pain to set up, but I've had some fun times playing with it all the same.

[vocal shard]

so guys

How's it going?

[queen mango]

Doing business

[vocal shard]

"buisness"

Not gonna ask

[vocal shard]

sounds fishy.

[queen mango]

Selling taho, for that matter

[gilded haven]

hey does any one have a link to guts model with and with out berserk armor

[vocal shard]

What’s the deal with rule 12 btw

[compact river]

old thing

people used

its been der for over a year now i think

[vocal shard]

To do what?

[compact river]

and thats what you cant talk about

well how it was in the past

idk how they feel about it a year later

[vocal shard]

Dm?

[gilded haven]

actualy curious about

dm me that

[vocal shard]

yayyyyy

im a trusted user

[queen mango]

Nice

[compact river]

get trusted just to appear as user

[queen mango]

Then switches back to Trusted
To be continued

[compact river]

na

green > purple

[languid beacon]

yeah when was known user i was orange all the time

once i got purple i just hide as user

i miss orange lol

fav color

[compact river]

would be cool if you could select more than current and user

[hasty wedge]

let me have the blue nametag pls

[compact river]

right

[vocal shard]

Lol

[maiden hound]

I cant email vrchat right now, so im hoping someone can do it for me, McHeiben and CrunchyNapkin are dropping portals that crash and can lag computers. They're also crashing and flying around box

[vocal shard]

Just block them for now and report them

When u can

[maiden hound]

Is it possible to find people’s ips by just the vrchat user? One of them was threatening people that they would dox them or something.

[hasty wedge]

yes

[velvet quarry]

Not that I am aware of

[maiden hound]

Well’p

That’s terrifying

[hasty wedge]

not rly

offer them if u wanna erp irl

[velvet quarry]

People love fearmongering, I wouldn't believe them.

[clever nimbus]

An official stance would be nice

I wouldn't be too surprised if it is tbh

[hasty wedge]

ppl have been doing it for months tho

[maiden hound]

I know, but like the chance of people who could actually do that makes it unsafe to play vrchat

[hasty wedge]

wut r they gonna do

[compact river]

i'm almost impressed how you manage to run into people doing stuff like that everyday

[hasty wedge]

go to ur house and kill u?

[umbral reef]

Its not like users can do a lot with an ip

[maiden hound]

No but i don’t want people finding out about my personal life and shit

[clever nimbus]

The real safety issue is being at 20fps for too long, and then the motion sickness makes you vomit.
And then you slip on it and smack your head falling down.

[hasty wedge]

my eyes became so used to 20fps

that 20fps feels smoother than 90

[maiden hound]

That doesn’t really happen to me haha but I see how t can

I have a potato as a computer so I’m used

To it

[clever nimbus]

I get motion sickness if my FPS is too low for too long.

Meaning I can only play VRC for 1-3 hours at a time, usually.

[vocal shard]

hello

[clever nimbus]

Not to mention the headache.

[maiden hound]

Yeah sometimes that happens to me, I get a really big headache after a couple hour session.

[clever nimbus]

VRC is the only game I get it in.

I played Vox Machinae for like, seven hours, and I was fine.

[maiden hound]

But sometimes I’m on for like 7 hours with no motion sickness

Yea vrchat takes up a lot of my potato computer so I’m amazed if I get anything above 40 FPS

[clever nimbus]

I have a beast of a PC and rarely see above 45

[maiden hound]

Damn, and it’s the best when you’re getting like 10 FPS then it just jumps to 30

[ruby burrow]

Like being able to breathe again.

I've always been fine with VRC though, regarding headaches, unless I really force myself to hang around through an unplayable amount of lag.

Or pull the occasional 12 hour session. But that's just lack of looking after myself rather than anything the game or the headset is doing directly. >_>;

[maiden hound]

Exactly ^

Just really matters how used to it you are really, I’ve been on like 10 frames for an hour in a map and have been fine (steamvr was the one lagging)

But it’s worse when steamvr is the one lagging because there is like a delay

[umbral reef]

Also, @ruby burrow add me on vrc now 😠

[ruby burrow]

Wat, why? D:

[umbral reef]

You havent added me on vrc righto? 👀

Well add me

[ruby burrow]

I've not, I'm just unsure what suddenly brought this on. ^ ^;

[umbral reef]

Well- Woke up today and found you had to add me

ezpz

[ruby burrow]

Is your VRC name the same as it is here?

[umbral reef]

Jup but without the nick stuff

[ruby burrow]

Alright then, sent.

So assertive... >_>;

[umbral reef]

c:

[fossil root]

tfw my PC sucks and I usually run at 90, otherwise I dip to a 45 interpolated to 90

and even when it does go down to 10-20, the interpolation is still going on trying to create more fake frames

[umbral reef]

the game is capped at 90 tho

[fossil root]

and so even 20 feels like 60

I know that

because VR headsets run at 90hz

if Im getting 50 or below, it'll vsync back down to 45, and double the frames

but like, I only have an FX 8350, and VRChat is very CPU-bound

[vocal shard]

not all vr headsets run at 90hz, psvr runs at 120hz as for the fx 8250.... watercool it and overlock.. increase cpu voltage to 1.4 dont go over..

and yeah your correct...

[fossil root]

I know how to overclock FX

I ran a 6100 on air for 3 years at 3.9

but yeah, my current cooling is rather inadequate, and my PC is super loud as a result

[vocal shard]

i run an amd ryzen 1700 and overclocked from base 3.5ghz to 4.2ghz on watercoooled.

[fossil root]

will remedy soon

[vocal shard]

i didnt need to overlock on 16 threads.. but i did so anyways.

[ruby burrow]

I was quite happy with getting my old i5-2500k to 4.6ghz. Has been a huge improvement from it's stock speed.

[vocal shard]

I have the 15th highest score bechmark in the world..

[ruby burrow]

I initially got it to 4.8 and it seemed stable, but gave me hassle after a week running like that, so I reduced it a little.

[vocal shard]

still not happy that im not number one. lol

[fossil root]

I feel like getting my 8350 to 4.5 or 4.6 will give me that little boost needed to make a full pug playable

like, its so close

I can handle up to 16-17 players, but after that, nah

[compact river]

or that one person who just drops you 10 frames

how they can get an ava that bad i have no idea

[ruby burrow]

I know nothing about overclocking really, but whilst looking into it, I did read that the i5-2500k is a bit of a legend for it.

[vocal shard]

Ryzen is a superior to any other amd created.. and not bad at all considering cost i'd more than say its worthy of fx chipset for overclocking

[ruby burrow]

From 3.3ghz to 4.6, with just an hour or two of google as my guide.

Based on what I read, I may have also just been lucky with that silicon lottery, as people call it.

[fossil root]

the 8350 is also a legend

[coarse anchor]

if i had a i7-2600k and have luck whit the Silicon lottery i would br able to oc it to lile 4.5 and keep up

[fossil root]

it still holds the record for the highest overclock on a single core

Ive also had good luck on the silicon lottery

[vocal shard]

I pushed a fx black edition 6300, from 3.4ghz to 4.7ghz stable and actually broke a record... but thing is it was not what i need for multicore performance so here i am with this chipset.

[fossil root]

OC'ed on air to 4.2 base, I was still able to idle at room temp

[ruby burrow]

Well depending on the avatars, a modest store bought PC might run a full pug no problem whatsoever, whilst the best gaming PC in the world can still be crashed outright by even just one avatar if it was bad enough.

[vocal shard]

never ever go over 1.4v vcore .. it will be the death of your cpu

[ruby burrow]

Not that anyone ever usually gets THAT bad without being a deliberate scumbag, but it's still not too uncommon for an entirely innocent 300 dynamic bones model to walk into a room and start giving everyone migraines.

[vocal shard]

see how it handles at 1.4 max before even attempting to go more.. and also water cool it.. fan is not efficient no matter your ambient

Silicone lottery is.. a lottery within itself

[coarse anchor]

Can webget ab5Material limit and lift the poly limit to 60k, it maies everyones life easier in VRV

[vocal shard]

so many variables to consider.. motherboard being a prime

[ruby burrow]

I'm only on air cooled myself. The fan was rated as the #1 rated aircooler in some old ranking back when I bought it, but I figure the summer may challenge this overclock a little more when it comes.

Though that's also why I dropped from 4.8 to 4.6, rather than just down to 4.7.

[vocal shard]

Squishy the summer is long gone.. lol

[ruby burrow]

It'll come back though, right? ☹

[vocal shard]

its nothing but freezing cold here.. depending on where you are 😄

yeah eventually... lol

[coarse anchor]

my Zotac AMP Extreme 1080 is abbeast whit airclloing, keeping a steady 51°c on load whit VR

[vocal shard]

I have two water bricked 1080Ti's running at 22c and i cant get them over 38c lol

[ruby burrow]

But yes, that's what I meant by it maybe effecting things when it comes. Since I did this overclock in a near 0 degree room.

Money spent on heating can be spent on torturing a CPU with VR-Chat.

[coarse anchor]

My 1080 runs at 2 Ghz when under full load

its quiet the beast of a card i gotta say

i was used to AMD garbage befor

[vocal shard]

you mean ati i assume..

im to drunk to go into details.. but the ryzen series dominates the intel series..

cost effective.. serriously.. vs heat exchangea/tdp.. i can overclock on watercooled way past an intel

[coarse anchor]

CPU maxbe but GPU Nvidia still has the monopoly

[quartz basin]

Obviously since AMD kinda abandoned that high-end market.

[vocal shard]

fx8350 ftw. mine has been running at 4.1ghz since 2014

might get a Ryzen this year tho

slapped a big fan on it and it's been fine ever since

kinda dont wanna drop 500-600 on cpu, mobo and memory but eventually i'll have to...everything is starting to show age

[polar elm]

does anyone know why animations would randomly play on a avatar? like the mouth moving on its own?

[ocean arch]

Just noticed a few of my friends suddenly have a rich presence for VRChat. Is there a way to enable this or it a custom plugin from somewhere for discord?

[umbral reef]

Congratz-
Your friends are using a modified client!

[ocean arch]

Oof

[errant merlin]

Is it normal to have not screamed a single time at all from playing horror jump scare maps (more than 8) while in VR?

[umbral reef]

Depends how shit the map is

And how quick you realize its a game and nothing else

[queen mango]

Uhh... Like Lac said

[ocean arch]

I haven't screamed in any so far, but some are certainly frightening

[queen mango]

Try the murder map

[errant merlin]

Well, all the Huggi maps, that one number puzzle horror map, and a few more scattered around

like Slenderman pages map

etc

[queen mango]

Prepare to jump at the death screen

Heh

[umbral reef]

Like im a big fucking pussy when it comes to VR horror and i have streamed to prove that
But IRL i honest to god dont care at all

Wait- did you play the maps solo?

[ocean arch]

It's not scary if you are going to expect it, so keep that in mind.

Also playing solo helps increase spoopyness

[errant merlin]

Ehh.. most of the time it's with other people

[umbral reef]

If its not solo its a funmap not a horror map

[ocean arch]

That's probably the issue then

[errant merlin]

gotta be alone?

[queen mango]

Yea

[ocean arch]

I played slenderman solo and I couldn't look behind me lol

I was terrified

[umbral reef]

Well- I cna almost bet you joked and talked with your friends when stuff happened

and might have giggled even at jumpscares instead

[errant merlin]

oh that one ghost horror puzzle map from Halloween with the big mansion and the cut-off Snake head requires two people to complete

sadly I got stuck on the wall collider and never got to finish it

Heh

I'm a mute

[queen mango]

If the jumpscares don't get ye, then the map geometry will

[ocean arch]

Generally playing with friends keeps you calm since you're playing with a large group and not by yourself. When you're solo'ing the map then your body knows no one else is there to cover for you

[errant merlin]

but friends can't cover for jump scares and loud sound effects

🤷

[ocean arch]

If alien isolation had a co-op mode that game probably wouldn't be as scary as it is now.

shivers

[errant merlin]

Haha, that game is scary?

I thought it was more of a sneaky game

[queen mango]

The mfing alien

[ocean arch]

Both

[umbral reef]

@ocean arch Well- That one was not scarry because of a bug within the monster...

[ocean arch]

Not really

[umbral reef]

Now that they found the problem and a patch can be downloaded from the community pages
Its scarry AF

[ocean arch]

There is a certain stage in the campaign where you can be scared shitless

[queen mango]

Not that game. Alien Isolation

[umbral reef]

the monster legit does what it does in the trailers- It learns and stalks hardcore

[ocean arch]

That's alien colonial marines

Lol

[queen mango]

OofLac

[errant merlin]

Amnesia is also a pretty good puzzle game

[umbral reef]

Ow 📴

[errant merlin]

with interesting AI

[ocean arch]

Ye

[umbral nova]

I saw a small conversation about hiding the Trusted User tag lol

[cold talon]

Use shader to turn nameplate orange

[umbral reef]

Use shader to make your nameplate rainbow

[cold talon]

Wonder if that's possible

[serene orbit]

[cold talon]

👏

I summon the shader masters to enlighten us

This will take a while

Ok the shader masters are offline apparently

[clever nimbus]

Maybe locally

But the nameplate is already like eight materials or something iirc

pls dont add shaders

[cold talon]

You cant tell me what to do, bwahaha ha!

💨

And why would it be local only
A grab pass shader is rendered for everyone

[clever nimbus]

👀

I saw that ping.

[cold talon]

Please don't ping the users for non urgent matters

[ivory folio]

Should be possible to change the colour of it with a shader, a friend of mine did it on the old nameplates

You'd probably have to change some code depending on the current colour of your name tho 🤔

[cold talon]

I know it was possible with the old ones but do the new ones use the same system? And just the material changed?

[ivory folio]

Hmm? I was just thinking of using a grabpass shader on a cylinder or something over the nameplate

[cold talon]

Yes yes

[glossy wharf]

just make it yourself 4head

hide the nameplate and make a custom one

[cold talon]

Fake nameplate

You would need some shader magic to make it face the same way the real one does, so that might get over complicated

[glossy wharf]

you mean a normal billboard

[ivory folio]

more like an eye tracking shader or something

[glossy wharf]

Its a normal billboard

LUL

In computer graphics, billboards are textured rectangles that are transformed such that they always appear parallel to the view plane.

[ivory folio]

Billboards face the z axis of the camera, the nameplate always looks at you

Not the same

[glossy wharf]

read

a billboard always faces towards you

on all axis

[ivory folio]

that's not what that says

[glossy wharf]

thats what it says

the view plane is the plane the camera sees

if it rotates around so does the texture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMWJeAp3V4

[ivory folio]

But the nameplate doesn't do that

[safe prism]

the nameplate is almost a billboard

[ivory folio]

I think the eye tracking shader would work maybe

Idk

[glossy wharf]

The nameplate is a billboard that is locked on z rotation

actually nvm

its locked on y rotation

[safe prism]

ye

[glossy wharf]

so its basically a normal billboard shader just locking the y rotation

[safe prism]

horizontal billboard or wtv

[glossy wharf]

ye

[safe prism]

but even then it's not exaaactly

[glossy wharf]

Yea it has max values

on rotating downwards

it seems

[safe prism]

it won't flip over if you're upside down too

[glossy wharf]

its just a modified billboard shader tho

so we use a billboard shader with max values

[safe prism]

it stays always parallel to the ground, mostly points at the camera but doesn't match view plane

phony billboard

[gleaming patio]

At least the avatar loading bar does stay exactly with view

[safe prism]

ye

[gleaming patio]

If you look up at your own loading bar and look too far, it spins right around

[safe prism]

mm

that's rotation to point at the camera

[compact river]

I see mine spin below me on first load up

Kind of funny

[gleaming patio]

Yeah i mean it calculates to point st at you

[safe prism]

gimbal lock so we know it uses euler angles

[gleaming patio]

Lawl

[safe prism]

as opposed to view plane

so it's not even a shader

sec

[glossy wharf]

Hmm

http://wiki.unity3d.com/index.php/CameraFacingBillboard

[cold talon]

Scripts! Aaaahhh

[gleaming patio]

Doing this stuff should be in shader man

Shaders be serious business tho, gotta learn a different way of thinking!! 11

Wrote a shader yesterday that explodes a mesh into it's triangles, kinda funny

Unlit because wew, cant use the surface shader unity stuff easily

Want to spin the triangles, good that i had computer graphics theory, i forgot the rotation matrix but w/e

[safe prism]

rotation is fun

by fun i mean i want to die

translation ez (1,2,1)

1 0 0 1
0 1 0 2
0 0 1 1
0 0 0 1

scale ez (2, 4, 1)

2 0 0 0
0 4 0 0
0 0 1 0
0 0 0 1

rotation be like

0.431234 0.34123 0.23432 0
0.3241 0.42342 0.234123 0
0.34252345 0.324123425 0.2341245 0
0 0 0 1

[median basalt]

It's insane to see how many unoptimized avatars pop up in the world review list when the reviewer actually checks them

Unfortunately it seems many reviewers still don't do jack

[gleaming patio]

yeah rotation be like fuck u heres your damn decimals

At least you can do it in 3x3

[clever nimbus]

@median basalt What's optimisation

[cold talon]

I think its a type of food

[safe prism]

ye

https://github.com/kayteh/node-openvr/blob/master/math.js#L270 i had to do this math before and i was so unhappy ;w;

[clever nimbus]

It must be a rare type of food then.

[gleaming patio]

We also did it all by hand in the CG course

[safe prism]

transform matrixes black magic the greybeards figured out and now we don't have to care

until you try something dumb

oh

i didn't school

school 4dum learnt to mathes

[gleaming patio]

I still dont get the 4 dimensional matrix to translate in 3 dimensional room

[safe prism]

gotta do 4d math to represent origin to pointing direction then it's roll

origin to some local x,y,z then it's roll for w kinda not really

[tacit plank]

Is that by quaternions?

[safe prism]

ye sorta

it's how i tend to reason about it

[north axle]

Does "information" count as "feature"?

[tacit plank]

Going to need some context to answer that

[north axle]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/more-infrormation-about-udon

On a personal note, I feel rather annoyed than excited.

[tacit plank]

He's right, it's not a feature request. But like the post said, they should update us more, even if all they can say is just "It's still in development"

Btw I wonder what exactly is lagging VRChat. I can't think of anything computationally difficult in it

[north axle]

If they want to pull Moses on us, it's their own decision. It's hard to say if it's the right thing to do though.

[ocean bramble]

UDON'T

[tacit plank]

You took the chance that the pun demon missed lol

[north axle]

UDON'T is pretty much a meme.

(In some communities.)

[median basalt]

Canny do that

The devs are notoriously bad at communicating IMO

[tacit plank]

Most are, it seems. But Tupper does comment if enough people yell about something

[north axle]

Tupper is the only dev showing that he's really doing something.

And he's not as much of a developer as the majority of VRChat Team.

[ocean bramble]

I don't think that he is a dev, more like a community manager

Yea

[tacit plank]

I have to agree. I mean, the rest are most likely working hard themselves, we just don't see it

[ocean bramble]

I wonder how many developers are actually working on vrc

[north axle]

I remember when they used to say they'd add custom scripting by late 2017.

[tacit plank]

Well, the knuckles thing happened

[north axle]

I heard feedback from early testers, some of them definitely prefer the original wands.

[still lark]

custom scripting will probably never happen.

[ocean bramble]

Really? The knuckles seem awesome to me

[north axle]

They're not good enough yet.

[ocean bramble]

Even the ev3?

[tacit plank]

And the modded clients... Before 2018, I hadn't heard about anyone getting crashed, and very few knew how to bypass the polygon limit. Dynamic bones was rare, and I don't think avatars had colliders on them

[north axle]

Whichever version they started distributing a few months ago.

[tacit plank]

By knuckles I mean the now dead meme

[ocean bramble]

Oh 😄

[tacit plank]

Anyways, colliders seem to be a performance issue. I don't think anyone has looked into it yet, because it's not really obvious

[still lark]

DB Colliders?

[ocean bramble]

They definitely are an issue

[tacit plank]

But if a world has a large number of colliders, even if that runs perfectly fine, it will start lagging everybody if a person with colliders on their avatar joins it

Also, colliding with mesh colliders in specific ways can easily half your FPS or even lag a world out

[uncut matrix]

if i need to get hours on vrchat so i can upload models do i need to be avtively doing things or can i leave the game running while im at school

[shy nest]

need to be doing shit

[uncut matrix]

dang

aight

[shy nest]

if you afk you're just inflating your steam hours

nothing more

[north axle]

Do you use Steam or VRChat account?

[tacit plank]

My maze world of about 500k polygons was split randomly by Unity, causing the parts to be scattered around. This made the world run at 90fps usually, but lag if more than a few people entered the maze at once. A guy with colliders on his avatar joined at some point, and everybody just dropped to 1 FPS, even though his avatar didn't lag in other worlds

[shy nest]

just blacklist colliders ez

[still lark]

I assume that's the only instance of that issue?

[uncut matrix]

i made a new vrchat account @north axle bc i only had like 1 hour with steam

[tacit plank]

Nah, colliders are cool. It's just that this lag thing shouldn't happen

Colliders put on avatars shouldn't collide with the world to begin with (just the avatar itself) so why is Unity wasting CPU on calculations?

[north axle]

You're good then. Just keep doing stuff, whatever socially active people do.

[uncut matrix]

ok

[tacit plank]

Berri, it shouldn't take many hours to be able to upload. Until then I suggest going to avatar worlds. There are a lot of them so you won't run out of interesting avatars before you can upload stuff yourself

[uncut matrix]

i paid someone to make me one

[shy nest]

berri nice

[tacit plank]

And most importantly, try to have fun. If all you think about is your progress towards uploading, you won't have as much fun playing

And cool! I hope you'll like it

[uncut matrix]

yeah its pretty snazzy

of course im still having fun lol

[ocean bramble]

👌

[north axle]

Don't try to stream or to become a very public person. Once everyone around you knows you, VRChat stops being fun forever, mark my words.

[tacit plank]

Hotox if you're looking for a challenge I know of a model which CATS can't fix. But you could argue that the scene itself is just not set up for exporting

[shy nest]

vrchat just becomes boring anyway

[compact river]

But i dont know u

[tacit plank]

Pun, join a Japanese room and you will be unknown again

[ocean bramble]

@tacit plank is it like a scene for animating tons of stuff?

[north axle]

I have friends in the Japanese community too.

[hasty wedge]

use the kisshu model and blend with the nihonjins

[still lark]

You'll also hit the language barrier.

[compact river]

Part of the fun

[tacit plank]

It is set up for animating and rendering. Has a lot of bones and uses IK quite a bit. Just pressing tab causes half of the avatar to move below the ground

[still lark]

Jesus

[shy nest]

ez fix

[cold talon]

Now that's my type of scene

[shy nest]

export as fbx, reimport

bones are sane

[tacit plank]

It came with a 50 page PDF document

[compact river]

Nani

[ocean bramble]

@tacit plank Those are horrible to fix. I avoid those wherever I can 😅

[tacit plank]

Exporting as fbx and reimporting results in an all-white avatar with most clothes only being on half of the body. The skeleton will be moved incorrectly, and the subsurf will be gone, resulting in it looking very rough

[shy nest]

not sure what you're doing but it works fine for me

[ocean bramble]

Damn

[shy nest]

could be specific to that one i guess

[tacit plank]

Alright 😛 they really are. A friend helped me, and I used a script to add modifiers to meshes with shapekeys on them, so I have it in VRChat looking fine. The weight painting is just off a bit, as are the bones

It's probably the constraints and IK, and the body being in different locations depending on the Blender mode Deejay

[median basalt]

@tacit plank do you use mesh colliders for your maze?

And if so, how high poly is the mesh collider?

[tacit plank]

I do. 12 meshes of around 50k polygons I think

[median basalt]

I think meshes generated within Unity aren't subject to the 65534 limit

Well, that's probably your issue

Not really the fault of the avatar with colliders on it

Non-convex mesh colliders can perform very expensive operations under some circumstances

[safe prism]

the limit is solely in the FBX importer

[median basalt]

Especially high poly ones

[safe prism]

unity doesn't care

[median basalt]

A 50k mesh collider sounds insanely high tbh

[tacit plank]

It runs pretty well now that I manually seperated them, but when I let Unity split the maze randomly, the areas overlapped

It's the minimum possible

[median basalt]

I think if one collider is contained within a non-convex mesh collider, that mesh collider has to do a check for every tri or something

Which is why I always approximate shapes with primitives

Might not be feasible for your maze though

[tacit plank]

The maze is a hexagon with 60 tiles per wall. It's like 2 by 2 kilometers

It needs to collide on both sides too

[civic plume]

love this place

💜

[tacit plank]

http://www.mazegenerator.net/ImageGenerator.ashx?Tag=20181113112902&MazeType=1&Solution=0

I used this tool for it. Saved as a SVG file, imported to Blender, excluded, and made double-sided

And I think you're right Rokk. I just wanted to share this information as it might help others who're experiencing lag due to colliders (and maybe unaware of the cause)

[empty bridge]

can someone send me cubed shaders..lost mine

[median basalt]

Just get them off github

[rough flax]

Pay for it

[vocal shard]

yeah, it only cost 0$

[umbral reef]

Or 20 Euro if you get it from me

[indigo fern]

[empty bridge]

REEEEEE

[topaz sapphire]

Maze generator is quite fun to play around with indeed.

I've used it on one of the activities in the HDS halloween map with the Teddy chase.

[ruby burrow]

Bleh. Friggin fixed joints. Such an awkward thing to work with.

I forget almost every time, how the part with positioning them during animation is supposed to work. Always have my particles or objects flying around orbiting me instead.

Hah. Typical... I had everything set up perfectly, all spare I mixed up the left and right hand.

[fallow pewter]

Hi all. Pretty new at this VR stuff and want some help. I want to construct different Avatars of myself at different ages and finding it difficult to find out how to do this. EmbodyMe is a free Avatar making program that allows you to use a photo to create the face. However the body remains unchanged - you cant be younger or older or taller or shorter. Does anyone know of something like this but a lot more sophisticated so that I can change height etc? I also need to make an environment for the Avatar so what is a simple room building program? Or a place like a beach or a wood may do. I also want to have at least one mirror so that I can see my Avatar (i.e. me). Thanks.

[little rampart]

Unity

[inner cape]

Can just slap the head on some mmd base body

And then add clothes onto it

[polar bone]

Why is there so much anime on vrchat

I mean anime is nice but going into a world full of Neko lolis with guns and shit voiced by men is weird

[inner cape]

Cause majority of the playerbase are weebs

[polar bone]

Damn

[tepid wren]

I find it hilarious when people come up to me and tell me that my avatar is too realistic and if I could leave or change into an anime avatar instead.

[meager solstice]

I love when people ask what my model is

[idle crag]

wow vrchat has changed so much now

[languid beacon]

It’s not the player base being “weebs” it’s that the most readily available 3D rigged models on the internet are from the MMD community, or game rips. And mmd models are garunteed to have a comparable skeleton with unity’s humanoid rig, unlike game rips

Allow custom skeletons in a game and you get a flood of mmd models. Always

Also they just tend to look better than photorealistic avatars. Not many people wanna be photorealistic unless they are trolling, due to uncanny valley effects

[twin vessel]

Most models ripped from games tend to have unity-appropriate rigs if they're humanoid.

You just have to know what to do in blender/unity.

[copper musk]

I saw a peon from wc3 in the pug

[languid beacon]

True as well, just trying to give reasons why VRChat favors toonier anime avatars over say, something like Second Life’s creepy uncanny avies

[twin vessel]

Oh no they favor anime avatars because

1. We're

Weebs*

2. They're usually separated by mesh so that you can mix and match heads/bodies with little to no issue.

[languid beacon]

I don’t think the people complaining understand the alternatives

[twin vessel]

MMD avatars are quite literally cookie cutter models.

Amazing for commissions since they're simple to work with.

[vocal shard]

Another reason is they're easier to keep looking somewhat decent while staying below the poly limit

[inner cape]

Jamie, your maid model

[rough pulsar]

Those of us with more realistic avatars have problems in a number of worlds because the worlds have bad lighting setups
Otherwise we look great

[languid beacon]

Yeah flat lit sidesteps any bad environment lighting

[inner cape]

Mhm

[languid beacon]

I still say it’s less creepy in vr too

[rough pulsar]

Sidesteps is an understatement, more like hurls itself away screaming into the sun

[languid beacon]

Realistic avatars feel more like they are being puppeteer in vr

[rough pulsar]

That's down to personal experience

[languid beacon]

Then again most realistic style avies I’ve seen Lack eye tracking or blinking for some reason. If you are going for realsim you need to make the face seem a little alive with microexoressions and junk or it looks creepy

[rough pulsar]

I'm working on a new avatar at the moment, and one thing I do want to add in is microexpressions recorded from myself.

[languid beacon]

Take some notes on what not to do from The Polar Express

Because oh man creepytown

[twin vessel]

Here's a good way to fix this:

Use standard shaders for realistic texturing

Specular setup if it has a specular map

Set smoothness to 0

Easy

Doesn't look like poopooshitted in bad lighting while retaining the realistic look of the textures.

[languid beacon]

Or Worse, Mars Needs Moms. Facial mocap nightmare fuel

[rough pulsar]

That can only take you so far.
If someone's set the environment lighting to... well, none, or black, or some stupid colour, and a directional light pointing straight down, no amount of fiddling with the standard is going to save you.

[twin vessel]

Yeah but then again that isn't your fault, and frankly that's a fine sacrifice for it working most of the time.

[runic stone]

Anyone know why I cant see people I've friended in vr chat in my friends list in vr chat?

[twin vessel]

[runic stone]

But they can see me in theirs

[twin vessel]

r/sentencegore

[inner vale]

I've had that happen sometimes myself.

[twin vessel]

Because vrchat syncs EVERYTHING to their main servers, so likely the server hasn't registered you two as friends yet? Somehow. Thus they don't show up in your friends list.

Unless it's persistent, then it's a bufm

Bug

[runic stone]

But no one shows up

[twin vessel]

Then it's a bug, yeah

[runic stone]

Not even people I added a year ago

[twin vessel]

Uhhh

[vocal shard]

it's a server scuff

try again later

[twin vessel]

Oof

Make sure your friends list is open and not collapsed.

You can collapse it.

[runic stone]

It's fixed now

[twin vessel]

[halcyon kestrel]

VRchat funny all the time

[vocal shard]

Yo

[tall anvil]

hey guys, VRChat network is incredibly slow for me right now

is this just my end or are the servers slow atm

every model takes eternity to load

[vocal shard]

probably you since it's still the same speed for me

[tall anvil]

ran a speed test and my internet is fine tho

anything I can do to fix this?

[vocal shard]

Ummmmm

Verify the game's files?

[tall anvil]

the game does work

[vocal shard]

Just do it anyway

[tall anvil]

how do I do that

[vocal shard]

Hey Svel

[tall anvil]

a command on steam?

[vocal shard]

Nope

Gotta right click vrchat

And select properties

[tall anvil]

when you say right click it, where exactly

[vocal shard]

In steam

go to local files

then verify them

[tall anvil]

as in \steamapps\common\VRChat

[vocal shard]

no

[tall anvil]

or in the steam client

[vocal shard]

as in the steam client

[tall anvil]

ok

huh that's weird, closed it but steam still says it's running

[vocal shard]

Umm yea

Might wanna close out all VR software then

or check task manager

hi kindbot

[tall anvil]

yeah killing everything atm

[vocal shard]

Perfect

AAAA---

[tall anvil]

ok, right click ,properties

[vocal shard]

Svel, your PFP gave me an acid trip

I'm getting sick...

Tony, stop

[tall anvil]

found it

[vocal shard]

I Am

[tall anvil]

https://i.imgur.com/QZ4mNAF.png

[vocal shard]

yup

[tall anvil]

https://i.imgur.com/T8ntZhf.png

[vocal shard]

local properties --> local files --> verify

[tall anvil]

seems fine according to steam

[vocal shard]

perfect

just reopen it

[tall anvil]

ok

[vocal shard]

I WILL block you again kindbot 😡

my PFP is good

[tall anvil]

welp this didn't help

2MB in vrchat takes an amount of time to load equivalent to 2GB outside vrchat atm for me

[covert linden]

Thats insane

You wait for minutes to load?

[vocal shard]

I need to contact a moderator urgently because the game is taking a serious risk, but the reporting system only involves the environment inside the game and not outside it

🤔

[umbral reef]

🤔 Maybe because what happens on discord and VRC isnt there problem?
Most programs have a block button also btw

@vocal shard Also- If its bad bad you can ping the admin team if its legit urgent
But again- They would not be able to do anything outside the game- Because they dont own that stuff

[tacit plank]

I'm curious what this urgent matter is

[vocal shard]

@umbral reef Yes, they can. They can take steps to prevent attacks that will happen to the game and users, not even an ant cheat can prevent this, as it involves processing Unity avatars for the game.
A new layer of security is needed, because what is to come will end the security of all, I can not say publicly what it is for reasons of confidentiality.
Those responsible for the attack are already acting and testing something they will soon use for a mass attack and I have proof of that.

[umbral reef]

Then report it?

[idle elm]

https://vrchat.net/contact

[vocal shard]

I reported it, but they did not take it forward, just considered it as an unfounded report

[umbral reef]

And you know that because?

[tacit plank]

These "attacks" have been predicted before with nothing happening

[umbral reef]

They dont have to promise you that its beeing looked into or fixed...

And how bad is that 'attack'

[tacit plank]

In VRChat, it seems to be a trend for trolls to start rumors

[idle elm]

Stay safe out there!
Signed,
Your father

[tacit plank]

You might be right, it's just much more likely that somebody is messing with you. Don't worry

[vocal shard]

I am infiltrated among them, they do not suspect who I am, but like any just person I seek only what is honest, so I want to frustrate their plans, I will be hunted after that, but I will seek police assistance at the moment.

[umbral reef]

Kid- You are not the FBI 😂

[tacit plank]

Please DM some proof, it shouldn't harm right?

[compact river]

*puts on tinfoil hat

[vocal shard]

I have a lot of evidence, if you want to confirm

[tacit plank]

Sure

[floral aspen]

lol wow more fearmongering and rumors
always entertaining, if a bit annoying

[queen mango]

What's going on with people these days?

[tacit plank]

We should at least allowed him to present whatever evidence he has though, I think

[floral aspen]

but that would blow his cover then he has to call the police

[umbral reef]

@queen mango A young unsupersived generation took over the internet without being properly educated about value's and norms

[tacit plank]

The internet was just people dicking around to begin with

[umbral reef]

Féz positivity isnt allowed in here 😠

Dont let me get the mods!

[uncut matrix]

does anyone want to do dumb shit on vrchat

[halcyon kestrel]

Who here is a good VRChat player?

[median basalt]

@vocal shard you sound like an edgy kid. Present evidence or stop spreading rumors.

[halcyon kestrel]

@umbral night oh cool ur in this discord

[tacit plank]

He DMed me about avatar stealing, but that's just API abuse

[opaque hawk]

@halcyon kestrel I might be?

[rigid crescent]

wow he was talking so cringy

why do people do that?

[halcyon kestrel]

K

[rigid crescent]

what always gets me is that he might be a grown ass man because ive met people my age who actually talk like that lol

[umbral night]

hey

[umbral reef]

Eyo

[opaque hawk]

How is everyone doing today?

Wait

[rough flax]

Remember all the discords going around saying hackers can fry your GPU?

[umbral reef]

4chan hack attack

[opaque hawk]

Rumors are scary

[rigid crescent]

every time I see a chainmail-style rumor like that i extensively berate anyone in discord groups I'm in for spreading them lol

always met with the "WELL YA NEVER KNOW!" from people who don't know anything about computers past "it plae da gaem!1"

[umbral reef]

No proof = No truth

[rough flax]

The ones that had proof their pc died so no way to report it @umbral reef

[rigid crescent]

LOL

[queen mango]

Yep. Crashers hit their pcs so hard they had to FSD

[rigid crescent]

literally all the rumors were "my friend's uncle's cousin's brother's VRChat roommate's PC got blue-skyed and their account as reverse fitted to mine bitcoin!"

[umbral reef]

Dont you guys have phones?

[rigid crescent]

never "yeah its me, friend's uncle's counsin's brother's vrchat roommate, i'm here on my phone/another pc. can confirm ,here's proof."

[queen mango]

We have. I'm typing my comments rn on the phone, Lac.

[rough flax]

You actually could with webpanels crash people's pc's blue screen them and "fry" their cpu's but not gpu's.

It wasn't practiced on the public, only on a few people.

[umbral reef]

Thats true tho-

But the odds of that still happening where tiny af even when done right

As windows can still throw fit faster then products die

[tacit plank]

Fry as in make it run on 100%? Because VRChat would already do by default if it could multithread better

[rough flax]

[rigid crescent]

So basically, rumors

[tacit plank]

That guy linked me a year old Youtube video of a hacker temp banning people

[rigid crescent]

my favorite was "DEY OUT HERE BANNIN GAIZ NO MORE PUBLIX WORLDS!"

[tacit plank]

And screenshots of somebody modifying vrpills avatar

[rough flax]

Hey did you guys know you can report people and get them banned?

[rigid crescent]

thats a bug

[rough flax]

Just a rumor cause it's never actually happened

[rigid crescent]

LOL

basically

I wanna catch someone with clear video evidence jsut to see how long it takes tbh

(assuming it happens)

^

[languid beacon]

You can’t report people in-game, no. That’s what block, mute, hide avatar, and vote kick are for

All the tools are there to self moderate

[rigid crescent]

rofl

[vocal shard]

למה אין לך ערוץ עברי?

[rigid crescent]

you have to do it manually by dropping everything, finding the output log, finding the email, sending it, then hoping you ahve some other form of proof so it doesn't get ignored completely

[opaque hawk]

Whenever I learn about some new exploit in this game I purposely don’t mention it here because it’s like a telephone game in here sometimes

[vocal shard]

למה אין לך ערוץ עברי?

[rigid crescent]

something tells me you're not even worth google translating

[vocal shard]

אתה אנגלית

[rigid crescent]

well, since i know you speak english, you should because apparently speaking another language is against the rules

[tacit plank]

He basically send the same message 3 times

[rigid crescent]

oh i can tell that much

[vocal shard]

Hey

I am Hebrew and English you noob!

[rigid crescent]

ok

[vocal shard]

Eh?...

[tacit plank]

"VRChatter" role was just on exactly 15000 people

[vocal shard]

Brb

[tacit plank]

The guy from earlier send me a dreamatic message and left the server once I told him to provide evidence other than Unity screenshots

[rigid crescent]

yeah, people like him give me such bad second hand embarrassment

it's so cringy

[tacit plank]

I wanted to tell him to have fun with his ARG, but I can't message him anymore

[rigid crescent]

I only ever meet people that talk like that IRL at conventions, so I always wonder how they function in daily life

like unironically, not even in cosplay

[languid beacon]

I never feel this cringe feeling people always talk about. I think I’m better off.

Sounds like a pain to always be concerned about how others act

[rigid crescent]

it's like a bad smell honestly

it doesn't bother some people

[languid beacon]

honestly it sounds like a personal problem

[rigid crescent]

if you want to get into it that deeply, most everything is a personal problem lol

but 'personalities' like that are offputting to the majority, which is why multiple people commented on how he was talking

[languid beacon]

If someone is publicly embarrassed - I get that. It hurts to see, and I empathize. That’s the cringe I feel. But if someone is acting like a fool in public and is oblivious to it - there is nothing to feel for him. He’s fine. No use having any second hand embarrassment. Save the empathy for the self-aware.

The internet will give out an unlimited supply oblivious nincompoops

<— works in support

[queen mango]

People act like that when cosplaying?

[languid beacon]

Cosplay tends to coincide with light character role play, yes

Same kind you see in VRChat

Like you wouldn’t see a mercy cosplay just standing in the corner smoking a cig

[queen mango]

I see. Hmm.. What do 9S cosplayers do?

[vernal jacinth]

...

[queen mango]

Aside from speaking in formalities?

[vernal jacinth]

[opaque hawk]

This conversation speaks to me. I’m awkward af but I just got good at networking overtime

A sales job helped too

[queen mango]

Maybe we shoulda went to random chat on that one

[opaque hawk]

Something I’ve seen in a world or two are avatar dolls. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more of them. Any reason people don’t do that, they are pretty cool.

[rigid crescent]

"Like you wouldn’t see a mercy cosplay just standing in the corner smoking a cig"

the things I've seen

Love Live girls downing shots, Mayoi from the Monogatari series drinking rum from a nice hotel glass, persona dudes doing bong rips in the hotel bathroom

cons are wild m8

seeing cosplayers smoking outside the con is the best

[queen mango]

You don't see those in Japan

[rigid crescent]

I mean anime conventions aren't really a thing in japan, their events are more like...i dunno

fan events or something?

what is interesting to me is we have a bigger source of autograph signings and whatnot than they do

[languid beacon]

VRChat made me less socially anxious honestly sort of forces it on you

[rigid crescent]

Like you're more likely to get Nobue Uematsu's autograph in america than in japan lol

[queen mango]

It's apparently part of their culture too. Doujin cosplay, anime cosplay, these kinds of stuff.

But they also leak out in amusement parks, like Tokyo Disneyland and Universal Studios Japan

Sora and Disney cosplayers

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, our conventions are a celebration (I use that term loosely) of things we can't normally get here

The merch, fan art, cosplay contests, japanese guests/bands

Like I could see Nightmare a dozen times in Tokyo during one of their mini tours if I lived there, but they've only been to the US a handful of times comparatively, and anime fans tend to be more into japanese stuff in general

[queen mango]

Yea. True

[rigid crescent]

like most people who enjoy anime like japanese music, cosplay, games, etc while a lot of japanese fans of things i've spoken to tend to be really into one thing

like you can find people who really like Avril Lavigne (an example i experienced) and no other american groups. they specifically like avril lavigne and all things avril

[queen mango]

Can be video games.

Too..

[rigid crescent]

yeah, games also

[opaque hawk]

I agree, American nerds tend to be more generalist

[rigid crescent]

in the US it's more common for it just to be catchall thing

[queen mango]

Say.. The reason why I wanted to talk about this is because of my trip to Japan a month ago.

[opaque hawk]

Like I go to Magfest and we talk about cool anime’s we are watching

[rigid crescent]

a big part of the drinking and partying at US cons is just because it's a big letting loose party for people, really, but it's definitely part of the convention "culture" in the US

[queen mango]

An Ichiko Ohya cosplayer drinking in a neon-lit bar would deffo bring some good in-character too. Just like the P5 character herself

[rigid crescent]

I've gone for a long time and it feels like it's just always been like that. some older friends kinda passed the torch to me when they stopped going and i got a lot of friends into goings to cons too, but even their stories from when they were younger, seems like it's been like that from the start lol

I like really "natural" out of character stuff more than in character for some reason. since people somehow just forget to eat at cons, i think the moment it really hit me was when i saw a nice fancy dress pretty sailor moon scarfing down a slice of overpriced convention pizza in what felt like seconds

[queen mango]

Yeah.. That's probably the thing you may not see in Japan.
Afaik, people can only cosplay inside the convention perimeter.

[vocal shard]

nya

NYAAAAAA

Wait, that's not my line

[queen mango]

And they have to dress up in their costumes inside dressing rooms

Provided to them by staff

[umbral reef]

Anyone know how big the camera thing is that streamers use within VRC

[queen mango]

Dunno, but it might be the size of a tablet

Or iPad

[umbral reef]

No... I mean like the ingame thingy

But you can use a streamer camera so you get a screen on ya pc to record and have like your player model also show

beside the main screen

[queen mango]

Yes, I was talking about that.

[umbral reef]

An ipad or tablet size isnt an size i can work with though

I need pixels from the X or Y

[vocal shard]

Big

[queen mango]

I'm not 100% sure tho, cause I only saw something like that on a stream of one of my VRC friends

[umbral reef]

You fella's ar enot usefull

[queen mango]

Nya! Why?

[vocal shard]

I'd say just trial and error it.