#vrchat-general-2
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no nsfw in public worlds
that's all that they stated
if the instance is public
and you use an nsfw avatar
expect to get banned if you get reported
Yeah but like private rooms in some worlds can be locked
and ?
didnt you read ?
if the instance is public
it doesnt matter that you have small private boxes
it's still a public instance
Nah I was just wondering cause people use them a lot for certain things. Even in public worlds
well, they can get banned if someone report them 🤷
if nobody cares then nothing will happen
So I was wondering if that was some sort of new special rule or what not
The rift only needs two 3.0 slots (headset and at least one sensor) the other sensors can be 2.0
It will only complain if you have no sensors in usb 3.0 ports
There are usb pci-e slots if you need more. Hubs won’t work
that add 3.0s?
ive only seen ones that add 2.0s
Typically if usb 3.0 is required it’s due to needing the extra bandwidth and hubs don’t give you more bandwidth
Yeah if you have a spare pci-e slot you can go for a usb 3.0 card
That would work
i even have a seperate pcie card for my vive tbh
and the extra trackers
mostly about putting it on it's own usb tree not encumbered by other stuff
i've had like no problems since
huh neato
well ive gotta decide on a headset first of all
but i will keep it in mind :D
Yeah i been having USB ports dingdonging on me all the time and a sensor will turn off or my headset will turn off and then back on. I think its either USB or CPU related as Vrchat gobbles a good 60-75% of my cpu
My motherboard is old af. Like 2010 old. Might be my board doesnt have enough power or lanes to support all of the pieces.
I should probably get a pci-e usb card. One of my sensors is in a 3.0 slot but claims to be plugged into a 2.0, the other often experiences tracking issues with dropped frames.
It was worse back when I used to use the Kinect for fbt. My poor usb controller must have been completely overwhelmed.
oh gosh i do hope i dont have the same issue
Honestly. I'm just gonna drop another 400 on a MOBO/CPU/RAM update
Im on an i5 4590 on an lga 1150 mono from around 2010-11 with ddr3 ram
I'm also quite literally out of USB ports (except my sole usb c port hanging out back there being future proof) so my situation might be a bit of an exception. Most people are fine in regards to usb bandwidth with the two sensors. You generally only need to upgrade to a pci-e card if you get a third sensor.
Well the VIVE uses a display port, you got one of those?
Do mixed reality sets use those?
Yeah the vive pro is Display port
Oh
lol my bad I was thinking ofnpro the whole time
I'm dum dum
Vive pro is a garbe product and should not be bought 👏
⛪
garbage*
LOL i know someone whos buying one now.
I mean I guess if money is not a concern, diminishing returns doesn't really matter.
Its not an opinion. Its fact.
And dont all Gpu's have a DP?
Spending 2.5x the amount for a 10% or 20% improvement can sound insane but a lot of hobbies have that kind of high end. Of course it's a little silly when WMR headsets already have a similar resolution at a fraction of the price but maybe they really like blue.
Lol
@umbral reef mini versions dont always have them
So people on a microatx form factor may not have it.
Oculus quest has the highest resolution so far. Too bad its mobile based xD
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
Maybe that usb c port is actually thunderbolt and it can be connected to a gpu for tethered vr? 😨
Likely
Although I think external GPUs can be slower than internals
there's also word about the Rift S that might come out next year
welp guess not as the report doesnt show the name 👏
I'm just getting a Lenovo Explorer at the end of this year
fucking great screenshot option ya got there steamvr
Ah sorry I didn't mean an external GPU, I was thinking along the lines of VirtualLink
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/17/17583362/virtuallink-vr-headsets-oculus-valve-microsoft-connect-usb-c-cable
And focours the 'recent' tab within worlds brings you to the most recent world and not session 👏
ofc
I'm not holding out hope for this but it would be a neat way for Oculus to demonstrate their interest in remaining on the PC platform and hopefully provide quest owners with an upgrade path to desktop VR.
Sounds wireless, but I'm thinking of VirtualHere
That's if Oculus has any interest in staying on PC.
They should
The Rift is a great device
I don't think the quest will be able to connect to pc because the upcomming Rift S is basically a quest that connects to the pc, but without the stand alone
The Quest would need a 60GHz connection if it was a wireless connection, which would cost a lot
and i got vcrashed3
Ah
Right yeah, though it would be nice to have a switch like device that does both. Imagine being able to take your headset to a friend's place and let them try VR, then bring it back home and plug it in to play VRChat.
That would be cool
getting crashed in 2018 🤔
Vive pro is 2880 x 1660 wait a minute thats not the same as the quest!
You cant ruse me!
That's why you should set your safety settings to brave
(none)
Face those shaders with courage
I still have avatar sound off for people under Known
😨
i have everything allowed
getting sound in my face is just part of the experience
I have the safety disabled
The Safety system can be a bit problematic
It's still great though
It's almost like herd immunity. I feel like I can go with it disabled because it exists and other people use it.
Quest has a whopping 120 more pixels per square inch

Only have to worry about the nuisances
I Just have the old particle limiter, and I've been good 
Forgot about that
I'm considering removing my particle limiter settings actually, I've missed out on those colliding particles.
People still mute me sometimes because I've been known to be hyper
My pc is a little poopy so I dont have avatars enables until known user and trusted users I can only see their shaders and avatar. 
hey pinky
Hey big boi 😂
how's you?
If I'm in a busy world I'll sometimes hide everyone and then enable people as they get close to me. I feel like it helps with performance, kind of like a manual LOD.
I'm good man, just been a slow day at work so I figured id talk to the Vrchat discord peeps (Love y'all)
same
I'm not really doing anything at school
I am working, but discord is fun
LOL
Employee of the month here
Otherwise you're the big dead
i've been using it everyday all year
Then I feel it's safe to say they don't know what Discord is then 
Maybe they think it's just slack?
A lot of people don't know what discord is
Primarily the non-gamers
Yea
They would never use it
lol yeah, i do have to keep discord in light-mode
otherwise it might look suspicious to walkersby
Yeah light mode looks worse than I remember. Was it always so low contrast? The sidebar is still dark mode grey too!
The sidebar being dark makes it bad
Light mode on Discord?
i am so used to it. My whole work windows are bright as day
Chrome dark mode when
There technically is now
The latest Chrome UI update made my dark mode look ugly
Obvious reasons though
Well you can't really make them all compatible
If anything, I am surpised the IT boys haven't cajoled me about using discord.
Though let's be honest, they're probably using Discord on their time too
lol true
So if they rat you out that'll mean they're done too
What's wrong with using discord
He's at work 
And?
okay garret get back to work (Susan from HR)
OH NO!
He's not on his break lul
🙃
perks of a deskjob
Dual monitor
"I'm doing research"
"Why is there a picture of hatsune miku?"
"ITS RESEARCH"
Getting research from my friends
lol yup, i have a dual montitor
It's anime related
Vocaloid research
"Why does she look naked?"
"ITS RESEARCH"
"GET OUT"
Wear sunglasses and use light mode so it blinds the IT guys
I can imagine when MatPat really runs out of ideas he does like a Film Theory based on Vocaloid characters or someth
Or has he already run out
always where sunglasses 😎
🕶
or since it's discord light mode, I need a pair of those eclipse glasses from last August
Lol
Yeah
That'll work
The eclipse was a bit disappointing last year since I was expecting something cool but since we had 97% something it wasn't very cool
Watch out, we got a cool guy here
Good for you
I remember posted a few pics of the eclipse in this channel, but Pill took them down because it wasn't posted in #vrchat-pictures
ri
rip
LOL
but it's the eclipss
But it wasn't a VRChat picture? 🤔
True
you know... i think there was a separate channel called 'other-media' or something.
not sure when it was removed
Should be readded
probably got out of control when vrc's population exploded
Look up VRChat population chart on steam. It's interesting that I was there to witness it
I'm not average so
@umbral nova lool i realized you changed your name because of me, sweet ;*
That's my mobile account
YOu have a mobile account?
Yea
Wow, someone's fancy
I mean I had this account hacked for about a week and a half
So it's just a precaution
One account master race 
nice to know
Also the reason I named myself that Sui is because you kept pinging me yesterday instead of just addressing me without pings
lol
but without pinging you maybe ignor my shit^^
"Maybe"
I wish people would ping me...
@wheat moth
lol
lawl
LUL
@wheat moth
Also, pinging someone every time you want to send someone a message is annoying as hell
yuH
Yes, hello. I am garret. Why am I being pinged?
HAHHAHA
@vocal shard what? Pinging is annoying?
dont you like it 
Is that the real Jamie?
i was never interested to ping someone the whole time, but if you lead a discussion with one person and 3 or 4 or 5 other people feel addressed without obvious reasons and they spam in the chat then a ping can be helpfull to answer the correct person
Usually when I am pinged, people could use my help with something.
Or when a person wants to know what my riddle is
Now pinging yourself with both accounts, that's next level. @umbral nova
@sterile drift Like this
go ping yourself
how rude
😫
Usually when I'm pinged I get memed
If you want to "lead a discussion with one person " without anyone else chiming in, why not take it to DMs?
This is a public forum, of course people will respond, even if you think you're talking to one person.
but talking about pinging can be rude and rename to something that looks like a statement is a bit contradictory
VRChat update
oh look, new announcement
oooof
Time to restart steam
Release notes are outdated
yea
pinged
Refresh 😃
(Refresh)
Thanks
lol
nani
"Performance fixes, including a more performant Voice Chat" :0 what was this about
But were Fixed Joints fixed?
Ready for some extreme stability
can't wait to discover the new game breaking bugs
apparently some people's fixed joints work still
Slow mode (10s) has been temporarily enabled on #vrchat-general-1 , #vrchat-general-2 , and #general-media . Will be removed later today.

I feel that's my fault lol
we in that matrix now bois
tags for worlds juhu, i was waiting for this
Ouuuch, ten seconds? Wait no! I just used my one post up to type this!
Oh boy. Lots text
Actually, is the slow mode my fault? lmao
@rigid crescent voice chat before was one of the most expensive parts of vrc. From the tests I've been in it's a pretty decent improvement
Nice, that steam connect is good but does the steam account affect your rank if you connect it?
Time played, Friends, etc.
Yay
I wouldn't be surprised because of my 2 accounts
Everything is transferred from the Steam account.
Ohh, I didn't know that, that's pretty cool.
Am I allowed to put videos in this chat?
Is that like a global cooldown on chatting?
Anyways, not a lot of updates, but they seem nice! How big is the performance difference?
thanks for clarifying tupper
Sounds good, Tupper
YES steam account upgrading is finally a thing!!
I know several people who will be very happy with this update!
Sweet^^
2 accounts new vrchat general chat meta
I don't have to lose my friends now lol
@covert chasm in the new version if we already have a vrchat account can we merge the steam into the vrchat account?
Yes
it said so in the patch note. read it
Something that seems not clear: if you have a steam and vrc account, if you merge the steam in, does it just add whatever is missing, as in if you have a friend on the steam but not vrc it will add it, or will it overwrite all vrc account data making me lose all friends and whatnot on a vrc account?
So does linking your steam account with your vrchat account give you your steam name, or vrchat name ? Which one stay ? Does that merge the two accounts ?
lol you read LUL
@supple python It's a merge, things are added together

Ok thanks for the clarification on that
This is great news 😄
about names, i can only guess that you keep the vrchat account name
Where's the upgrade account button? I can't find it in settings in the game
Yes, you keep the VRChat account name
You'll only see the button if you're logged into a Steam account
I would merge my VRC account and my steam account but
All the friends I added on my steam account never play anymore
Ahh the meny has been updated even, also i like that you are interacting with users as the update goes live answering question, makes everything a lot easier^^
So no point
So I'm able to upload now since I have it signed into a VrChat account?
Yep
:hmm: Did your stance on Steam Workshop change in any way? Still not likely?
Ok cool. Tnx 😃
Please upvote this - lots of people having a bug where they get like 11 fps in vr chat:
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/steam-overlay-randomly-causes-semi-permanent-low-fps
the devs/admins are always here to anser question during an update
well, aev is here and tupper usually.
Depends on your rank
@cloud isle I'm sure the devs are very aware of that issue. The problem is tracking down the cause.
How does the merging system work with ranking? What if our VRChat account has a higher rank than our steam? Would we lose that rank?
@vocal shard I feel like if they ever added any type of content swapping that it wouldnt use steam workshop at all
they didnt respond to it and it isn't in progress
probably something of their own
@subtle peak Uploading ability is still determined by your Trust Rank.
@vocal shard Steam workshop will not be a thing, no.
Okay, thanks.
@trail star It's combined, you don't lose any progress
Ah
One thing that should be noted before you actually merge the accounts is that it may take up to 1 hour to get worlds and avatars, instead of writing that at the very end of the process.
Ok @covert chasm
does upgrading a steam account just merge the two accounts? what happened to data on each account?
LOL now I see why they slowed chat, people don't know how to read
What are patch notes?
especially Steam users, apparently
@polar crown They're.. merged. 😃
haha yeah i can see why as well, but that's to be expected tbh.
A miserable little pile of secrets @floral aspen
Yea
so if i merge my two accounts, would the total hours and uploaded content combined would make your rank go up?
like im orange now, and my steam acc has a few hundred hours, would they combine and make my overall account rank up?
@ruby burrow They want people to be miserable
i hope so, would make sense
@left nexus Rank doesnt base on time. Wether or not steam users have other points that can get merged i dont know 
@left nexus Potentially! Your rank may increase based on the stats that are merged in.
ive seen purple steam users 
Thats new to me 
I don't see steam users much these days so idk
Purple steam users lol
every account can gain trust score, only vrchat accounts can upload
uhhhhh how do you guys even tell Steam users apart
they have the 4 hex characters after their name
^
Again what's great about this update is that no one has an excuse to never switch over to a VRC account
anyone else having issues accessing vrchat.com?
they usually earrape you and crash you too
eg: 3A8D
Warning received and noted. I suppose I don't have any actual evidence for that comment.
oh. So that's what those numbers were.
Probably a lot of people trying to merge the accounts so the site is slow
^
need dat sdk lol

you can report worlds now
oh nice
New sdk?!
time to report the Pug for not having a toggle button for the mixed lights.
There's a new sdk?
@gloomy valve updates tend to have updates to sdk as well...
did the VRChat SDK update?
this will end well
Yes?
Btw congrats on getting senior chat mod FPaul
->
guys the update made my gpu die?
oh boi oh boi
new update
that means vrcd explodes
The VRPD
Lol without fail Jamie. Update time is always entertaining

still no report of a game-breaking bug
going well for now.
@floral aspen I remember how much I struggled trying to explain to people "Use animators!" when the update that killed Legacy came around.
so imma take it that the SDK didnt update
it definitely did
It did, written at the bottom of the #announcements
but we dont have custom reasons for world reports 
It did. Otherwise, the announcement wouldn't ask you to download the new SDK. 
It did.
And it clearly says in the patchnodes.
Already tried uploading a world with tags 👍
The tags work?
Use animators?! But that takes work!
so imma take it that you didn't read the announcement page No it did
Tags work
guys the new update broke my gpu
it's funny because it doesnt
animators?
who do i go to sue?
Shit man, I already tagged my meme avatars as nsfw even when they werent
like the custom ones?
you use an animator instead of an animation component and you don't need to change the file type, so it's even less work really.
@vocal shard tag for worlds only not avatars
oh wow slow mode enabled 
Was responding to LoneEevee, Jamie
Of course slowmode is enabled
Lol slowmode, never seen it before
It would be chaos without slowmode lol
well its the first time i see it enabled here
tbh it got more active after slow mode
because of the update
Merging accounts seems to be working very well, instantly loaded in my worlds and avatars, offline friend took a while to load but eventually came up.
It said it might take up to 1 hour after i merged it though.
people would just scream and spam "give chair, gib animators, fixsound, fix stealing, fix crash, gib unity 2018, unban me" and so on
inb4 they will leave slow mode on 
I hate it when it hides how much time you have left to post when more than two prople type so you have to guess
people do that all the time anyway
@vocal shard Wait- Can we still scream that stuff though?
Also groups pop'd up in my social meny, how can i remove these? just empty space
Awesome- just gotta wait with 10 seconds to shitpost and or help users now 👏

yeet
Is vrc going full steam with persistent empty spaces?
Groups are a new part of the social menu. You can't remove them
Also- To anyone who knows
Where does OBS store recordings by default?
i think it stores them on your hard disk
Put people in the groups and it won't be empty anymore 
@umbral reef should be an option inside of OBS to open the recording folder
Maybe I dont have that much friends
ahhh, finally, i was starting to get worried
some sounds got fucked apparently
Im blind as fuck apparently then as i cant find it 👏
B
Where? I can't find mine either 🤔
Looks really bad, at least put it under Offline friends as it's more organized.
@umbral reef go to settings
welp, imma go play now with 3 more fps because of the voice chat update
enjoy your day/night folks
And video then change video codec
Also discord stop shaking my screen 
Fuck I cant help fast enough burn in hell slowmode
@vocal shard Bit late now that the peeps i wanted to report are gone 👏
no slow mode is awesome
it helps peps
FUCK YOU SLOWMODE
Just type more and hit Enter less 🤔
All sounds are gone !!!!!!!!!!!!!
@placid umbra btw, hinge joints were broken last update, any news on that ?
Noe linked a bug one in #vrchat-general-1
Ah dammit, try converting the flvs to mp4s oclac
Cuz people don't know how to Canny
Or moved it
it's the same post, just moved to bug reports
It is bug report just not inthe link
i think no sounds is a feature, so that feature request is to remove it
*pokes chat
REEEE no pokey!
/tableflip
tableflip is disabled during slowmode? 
need to be fast for them flips brah
Excellent

I have a question about merging accounts. Does anyone know if time played and things done back on your steam account, will be carried over when merging?
understable
NANI
I played on my steam account for a long, long time before I made an account
Wait can we edit our msgs though within slowmode so we cna still communicate within the time limit 
Heck yea we can
@magic osprey according to a previous comment from Tupper, yes
Yes, it's all merged
lmoa you did it
Goddamit I dont know which clever marketing trainee came up with that account merging idea
But it'll be abused to hell and back
Yes it's a good thing
how would you abuse that?
Vrchat just allowed people to create dispensable accounts freely for vrc
Oh boy can confirm rank going up after merging accounts
gone from Known user to Trusted.
🤔
what, how?
They can't know if a steam user is accessing two accounts on the same machine because valve keeps such information hidden
? 🤔 ¿
And how does that result in being abused?
¿? 🤔 ¿?
Trolls can have an insane amount of alts that wont be banned along with the original account because vrc can never know they're alts
my trust score declined from trusted to user 
Just like right now?
;_;
I still dont see how the system itself can be judged as abusable?
you've always been able to make as many VRC accounts as you want
@cold talon Are you just showing as User?
i want my trust to go down to new user 😦
You gotta be crappin me there
let me be blue REE
When you do not have access to analytics the error margin increases madly
i like Aev :)
me too
I don’t see how that can be abused
We all love aev 
Yes but when you get banned for a long time for say a TOS violation your alts also get banned if they all were accessed from the same machine
but does aev love us?
no 😦
🤔
❤
With steam account merging vrc can't see that information and cannot accurately detect alts
🤔
Right now they also can so*...
well aev likes me, that's all i can say 😉
🤔
So nothing changes in the end
but who is that heart really for 🤔
@vocal shard Post in the Canny to remove Steam linking xD

oh the canny needs to be updated now
to mark them as complete
Btw game crashed because i tried to copy-paste Japanese characters into the social status
will send in report just wanted to give a warning about it
set yourself as new user when?
Nah, I'll just wait till vrc goes back to the wasteland it used to be in the knuckles days to talk
steam accounts aren't a new thing
@twin jacinth just dont be a weeb 
Merging them is
merging is the new feature, which essentially deletes the steam account
😂
Jawbones lol long time no see
And no u
and moves friends, trust score etc to a VRC account
no me
So far no one has give a new way anything could be abused compared to how things were before this change
Exactly how? Does it just straight up remove your steam account credentials or do they get incorporated into a different account?
I think people don’t understand steam accounts were already in
🤔
hows "no u" an answer to that? 
no u
Because if they get removed, how the hell do playtime and friends pass over?
Ah that's why my now merged account says "known user" instead of trusted user, like it was before.
I dont in any way see how this can be abused
@vocal shard bring out the card please i need it
I'm a pleb so i don't have nitro
they add one to the other?
nitro btw


@languid beacon they were in yes, but they now can just go instantly into vrchat full user with no vetting whatsoever
that's the same as making a new VRC account
how would they do that?
By merging
you still gotta rank up to upload content
Svel where are you when i need you god damit
Time and friends pass over, which are both elements in rank
but the vrchat account is still a vrchat account
Hi how are you all
merging a steam account that hasn't been used won't give you any rank
so how would having steam accounts that cant be tracked easily (if thats even true, which I also doubt) merged into an easy to track account help at all? now that new vrchat account that was just merged into is easily tracked, so they lost all benefits of what you claim a steam account provides
Oh man, I just joined. Am I too late for toxic reactions?
What prevents anyone from getting a used alt steam account then merging that to a vrc account in order to get instantly back into action
i need help
whats toxic about it>?
@north axle Probably not
@north axle you are just in time for slow mode tho
Right now if a user does not use a steam acc and instantly used a VRC acc it would be the same... It just prevents users from being punished when they not instantly make a VRC account
Yay.
It provides users with a way to "game" the system by farming with a steam account
guys i need help xd
that's the same as having an alt VRC account to begin with
@vocal shard we all do
playtime does not do much for your rank
@cold talon no i cant upload avatars wtf
@north axle Alert: There is a canny regarding an issue in which avatar and emote sounds are missing
farming isn't really the way to rank up, you have to actually play and participate
But doesn't having a save state account defeat that purpose?
@queen mango Is it new? What is it this time?
not the yadas
yata
Not everyone does the research to actually find out that you require a vrchat account to upload content, so for those who has invested a lot of hours (300-400) into their steam account and has a lot of friends over there makes this update perfect, finding out that the vrchat account resets everything didn't really motivate me to merge over, and i think this will motivate a lot of users to actually merge over to vrchat account that eventually creates more users that will potentially create content
it being tied to steam doesn't really mean anything
What counts as a good enough report when it comes to names and is there like a more clear rule/guideline for what names are a no no?
ill make a canny to keep slow mode on 
New settings page looks much nicer, and I can actually see my entire mic input device name. Also nice work 👌
It means simply that one can play the game just to rank up then leave the account to rot, but it'll still be there to be used as backup with this new system
It's like giving vrchat alts a second layer of inspection
then, they marge into the easily found vrchat account, and are banned very shortly
Most reasonable Canny posts should be about performance these days.
How?
how are people canned when they make a 2nd vrchat account?
Does vrc access steam account information?
How will they know the steam account was created on the same device
youre suggesting that making a new vrchat account gets you banned easily so people will make a new steam account
so whatever it is that makes you think making a steam account is safer is lost when they marge
It's viciously protected by valve
how to fix the "error updateing content. unity package upload failed. failed to optimize file for upload."
merge*
in VRC's case, "steam accounts" are just VRC accounts that use your steam login status instead of a password
marge :)
VRChat isn't Valve.
they dont need to know the steam account was made on the same device. they will know the vrchat account they marge into was
it's not querying valve's servers for your VRC info
Vrchat cant force valve to hand over steam account information js
and I also have no idea if any of this is true about steam accounts being "Safer"
They will never know if the account was associated with this device before unlike a vrc account
yeah, as far as I know, a steam and vrchat account are the same thing, its jsut that it uses a different way to log in
your steam vrchat account isnt stored in valve at all
In fact, I'd say VRChat is pretty much the opposite of Valve, except one thing — they update their games only once in a few weeks.
It's a steam account?
can somebody just help me real quick please..
Are you actually saying steam accounts are not steam accounts but just names and passwords
it's a guest account that uses your steam client for verification
That zero information is stored
So how the fuck do you get playtime and friends stored
okay shitty support
same way as a VRC account
its stored on vrchats side
Not zero, but rather "just as much as you'd expect on a regular VRC account, except you can't use the SDK".
@vocal shard Steam accounts are basically VRChat accounts that use Steam for authentication. Technically speaking, their data are precisely the same as VRChat accounts aside from some restrictions.
Yo I just went from steam account to vrchat account, (merged). Is my rank going to go up to what it was before or am I going to stay as a visitor and going to have to play my way up?
Just write the question lyze and someone might answer you
@twin jacinth i did allready
And some restrictions are if vrc can see who used the account and when
So you dont know who did what
ill ask again.
how to fix the "error updateing content. unity package upload failed. failed to optimize file for upload."
its still a vrchat account
@vast obsidian it will combine the stats and alppy it to a rank
And basically undid your entire system
Anyone else having problems with avatar sounds?
that data is the same just log in another way
@vocal shard Alright thanks bro
aah i didn't see it sorry
there's a new SDK might be the reason? not sure though i dont have that much experience there
Golden. Just golden.
@vast obsidian it takes a while to merge, if you're stuck as a lower rank than you used to be after a few hours send an email to support@vrchat.com.
But do ya need a outputlog to report a users name 🤔
Or is just a screencap of the user when selected good enough?
output logs help pinpoint the exact user, but screenshots are often good enough
Welp time to wait with the report then as i aint gonna ruin my upoad speed for a few minutes to report right now with the loggs
from what I understand, none of valves "security" has anything to do with your steam vrchat account. anything they know about the account of a real vrc account, they know about the steam one. steam is just a way to change how you log into it. nothing with your account is stored on valves servers
logs compress really well if you put them in a .zip or .7z
"Vrchat accounts are the same as steam accounts, nothing is different except login"
"Vrchat accounts are the same as steam accounts, but there are some restrictions and we can't access the account's entire information because it belongs to a completely different company."
PING
Oh great, LOL
And it's already broken
o i need to quick merge so i can derank myself
that's what I get for already merging
the restriction is that you can't upload content, all info is stored the same as vrc accounts
LMAO
Can't update anything without breaking it.
The life of programming.
Oof
I told you, vrchat doesnt know jack shit about what they've gotten themselves involved in
What happens with those who already merged? will they unmerge and we have to re-merge it after the update has been pushed out again?
those restrictions arent on vrchat :P no, the restrictions are on players
So basically
you know i have a small question so i have around 428 hours on vrchat when does my nameplate turn purple?
nop
do i Have to upload a world
you're missing the point
If they want to
a steam account on vrchat isn't the same as your actual steam account
You say the restrictions are end user only
No you don't need to upload a world for trusted @gilded haven
i think your being paranoid
it's a dummy vrchat account created with your steam account's name
also thank you
nothing else is accessed
@vocal shard It was an issue since the Open Beta came out.
Only now did the issue became prevalent
So how the hell does it track if its just a name and a password?
vrchat knows what steam account made the steam vrchat account. thats all they need to know to make oyu log into the steam vrchat account. after that login, the steam vrchat account no longer has or needs any connection with steam (other then getting your avatar picture)
same as a vrchat account
isnt this basicly signing into a place using google?
A vrchat account is constantly accessed by the game
oooh update
These people say the steam accounts are no longer needed
to bad i’m at work ugh
eh its not that big of an update
damn there’s a timer now lol
Like I dunno, maybe get coherent?
the steam account is used to create a "dummy" vrchat account, basically
^
anything i should know about the update?
thats completly understandable with 2000+ people in a discord server
the actual purpose of steam accounts in vrchat is to allow new users to play without manually creating an account
as you cant use your steam login for the sdk
it's a guest/demo system
So
I can't believe this is still going on. There is more friction to creating a new Steam account versus creating a new VRChat account. You're concerned about a vector-- which is good-- but we've already considered it, and it really doesn't enable any behavior that users haven't been able to do so far.
yeah, you're merging a steam vrchat account
No you're merging a dummy
Yikes, that broke really quickly
😰
First time I've seen Tupper use facepalm
Damn
o lord
This conversation
Boi
account data + account data
Merging is basically taking the data from the "Steam" VRChat account (which is basically a VRChat account that auths through Steam), and adding it together with a VRChat account. We don't take any other data other than VRChat data, because.. that's all we really have and all we really use.
Friends, favorites, stats, home location, previous worlds, etc
😨😰 relax
idk why ur gettin so worked up Rin, chill out gees
Yeah this is a very strange hill to die on 🤔
hahahahahaha
I'm getting a headache from this lol.
You literally had the chance to do all of this on day one
when you log in using steam, it creates a new vrchat account. this account IS a vrchat account. the difference is how you log into it. also, this type of account has restrictions on the player. The account is managed exactly the same in all ways on vrchat's side of things.
if you really want to see it look at the api for your person accounty
Cool to know you understand how there game and server works rin
As yea- They COULD have done it. They could have also made the trust system ages ago
But they didnt because prioities
Sure
Is it safe to use #vrchat-general-2 ?
yes but its slow
Add camera filters first, security system later
Is it safe to use vrchat
@vocal shard It might be difficult get your message across on Discord. You can always send an email to hello@vrchat.com and be as descriptive as you need to, and it'll be looked at by someone on the team.
Legit anything can be done months ago- But making things takes time
And you cant make everything at the same time
So you gotta pick things to do first
is it safe to be here
And sometimes things have issues
Yeah safe for now
And will need to be disabled and worked on lol
There only recently came a big request of merging accounts after the upload restrictions
So its not odd they didnt do it before the filters and security update
What I was concerned about was the ease and exploitivity of steam accounts, which made an insanely huge loophole in the system
There is no loophole
Were they ever at that point though?
One question I have, will steam users be restricted from using avatar pedistals in private rooms? 🤔
But that's a "strange hill to die on"
that part is fine, don't worry about it
how did it make a loophole? thats that everyone is wondering
@wheat moth They already are
or, you also understand that things take time and also people arent all working on the same things. you make the sarcastic comment about camera filters before security, but why do you assume the security wasnt under development at that time and someone unrelated to the security update made the filters?
It is easier to create a new VRChat account than it is to create a new Steam account.
if something does come up, it can be reported via the canny or the moderation email
how about we go get a coffee
reeeeeee no coffee
It is harder to get a group of steam alts banned than it is to get a group of vrchat alts banned
i want coffee
Y’all just need to chill, they doin work.
Yknow, I could work on the website, but I couldn’t do shit about camera filters. It’s not just a matter of priorities and development bandwidth, but also what type of bandwidth they have
they are all vrchat accounts tho
I mean the actual steam accounts
Not saying that’s what happened, but that’s something to consider
yeah that's fine
Let the mods do their thing, don’t affect your lives so don’t make it a problem.
you dont know that rin. youre just making that up and guessing
No actually
OMG TODAY IS THE BEST DAY EVER MY BOSS IS OFF FOR 1 month!!
I read the announcement
@vale epoch Never said i agree with why they did what and when... Far from really
But claiming this could have been done months ago is kinda dumb imo, there was no point in adding this before the locking of who can upload
And then the requests to make this was not even that high untill the most recent update
It said "steam accounts"
Easier to understand when it says that you are merging the steam account and the vrchat account
Better subject than what we’re talking about Monty
what vein said 
i need to merge these UPS cabinets together at work but the bus bars have to be exactly aligned
Hey guys, remember when we could hear in game?
So steam means dummy vrc
Those nicknamed Dummy VRC accounts are officialy called within Steam accounts
admins, do you plan to make a menu for desktop users that is connected with the player? for example when i fall that the menu fall with me
To explain how they work they used the dummy VRC account nickname
@fleet ice HAahaaaaa
All I care about is fixing the avatar stealing
Its an account made fromout steam information (name)
So its not really
steam account login with steam 🤔
you think that menu stays with ya in VR ?
yes avatar stealing, that caught my eye
Which is an endless struggle
Yeah if for some reason youre still on a steam account in 2018
Because they always find a way it seems
i think if everyone stops talking rin will have to stop ranting and we can all enjoy the peace and quiet and not this pointless convo thats happen rn 
Yeah the menu ditches you in VR too. I got softlocked with that once
how is it not clear? youre just arguing about semantics at this point. I'm pretty sure 99% of everyone knows what a "steam account" is with vrchat

@ornate cobalt i dont know that the same problem is in VR because i dont have VR but this is sometimes annoying
we cant enjoy it anyway with matrix mode on 
Rin, they didn’t have to do anything regarding any of it. They didn’t have to do anything, and if it’s nothing to you then whatever I suppose.
Sure just
Most use it because they don't want to change over. Now they can actually copy their friendslist
matrix mode?

dont speak the name
Allow lazy people to move one or two users with one click instead of three
I didn’t mind refriending everyone when I switched to Vrchat account
if matrix mode is on then i will dodge all this bullshit in this channel
Re-adding 100s of users is a lot of work
LOL
who can i talk with about problems with sounds attached to controlers
yeets out
Well I tell you this much
Who uses a steam acccount long enough for 100 users?
It also brings over earned trust points and does not reset the user 100-
Also, needing to favorite avatars and ect again
I did
You're just exaggerating at this point
Plenty do rin, not everyone is instantly intrested about avatar making
And that is the main reason to use a VRC acc-
tons and tons of people use a steam account and have hundreds of friends. its not rare at all
Anyone who used it long enough for 50 and didn't want to switch over
And you’re beating a dead horse.
can confirm
The amount of complaining that the poor devs get when the game is literally free ;-; I’m so sorry
There is a dude within #vrchat-general-1 that played for 300+ hours on a steam account... We have live proof of these users
is it me you're looking for? xD
i’ve played 1300 hours lol
Either way, if you refriend people, but not all of them. That clearly means you don’t see them that often, it’s an easy flush of friends. Making the list smaller.
100s of users and i bet you play with 10% of them and all the others are spontaneous friendship requests
@twin jacinth Jup- Was talking about you
I've seen multiple Steam users with 500+ hours. I have like 400 on mine
Can't edit my comment
Rin, I know a bunch who have hundreds of hours on steam accounts. It makes sense to be able to merge and not have to start over again
i try and stay away from the random requests now days
Let's all risk the game's security for people with little to no lives
Please mail your concerns to hello@vrchat.com. You're making a lot of assumptions about things, it's not an issue.
Aev to the rescue, stand in salute gentlemen and ladies.
Sure, fine and dandy to let them simply skip ahead to the top of the pile
This guy is to dense and im way to tired
Can we just change topics and ignore all this
hey aev 😄
Where's the security issue for copying over friends now? What are you on about Rin?
it's fine, just chill
Don't egg it on, we're moving past this
🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
even if you merged in a ton of accounts into 1 vrchat account that play times wont help you rank
So how has everyone's VR day been 👏
a streamer friends sounds that were tired to ther controller were all removed on every avatar and ther is no clear way for it to be fixed is there anyone i can speak with
people have tons of playtime and are not trusted in some cases
Made new friends yet?
Found that waifu?
Got that new avatar running yet?
Sadly lacking in VR because I’m a dumbass with a job ;-;
Time to get banned from vrchat discord
where can is send suggestion again?
Legacy animatioons were removed in some version
I mean I think it's because you're wrong, not because you did something wrong lol
Way to go handling security concerns
@fleet ice On the https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
#feature-requests Suiheisen
send an email, that's what it's for
you could just explain what your problem is but you just want to rant and no one understands what your on about
]thats why they asked you to explain in email but you kept at it
@cyan torrent Its a reported bug right now
Nothing can be done about it beside sit tight and wait untill its fixed
They never answer emails
speaking of which, I'm surprised there aren't more people asking why their rank went down
ok so teh sound has been adressed as a bug
That's the point of "send an email"
They answer though 🤷
I should get back to making avatars tbh
Why am i not veteran yet :^) Help me noe
what would happen if they responded to your email?
want me to be test subject now
thats all i needed to know thank you
They never answer user reports
I've had them answer within 30 mins of sending the mail, and sometimes a few days it all depends.
As the guy that answers a lot of emails, I'm telling you to send an email to have it addressed.
What's the difference between reading them and responding? Your goal is to make sure they saw it, correct?
emails are 100% guaranteed to be read by the right people
Do you just want that "Wow, good find Rin, thanks!" asspat?
@weary bison ive seen people say their rank went up
If user reports can slip unnoticed
What makes you think a random email will be answered
again, why does it matter if they're answered. being read is what matters if it's a bug report or concern
im just trying to relay a message from someone currently streaming with a problem but if its being addressed i wont bother anyone any further
Or even read
Emails to moderation aren't always responded to, it's explained in the reply when you send one.
Because you're chatting with the guy that answers most of the emails. 
hi
how i will be able to upload worlds and avatars
from VRCHAT to VRCHAT STEAM (upgraded to vrchat) account
that ingame report button does not do much that i know of
@elfin cloak its broken, check #announcements
might be wrong
"No one reads them." "Hi, we're two guys that read them." OK so now you're wrong, now what?
@elfin cloak Once you've gained the appropriate Trust Rank, you log into the SDK using your VRChat name and your password that you set.
Now I send an email and watch as it rots
If someone merged their account and got a result of a lower Trust Rank, please DM me your VRChat username affected.
Rin, why does your email need a response if it's something that you want to notify them about ,which simply needs to be read?
tupper i miss your vids :(
i never got good answers when i was writing an email seriously...neither about the trust rank, or questions about the current status about anti cheat tools, or hidden SDK information about an extra version of SDK for developers and so on, sorry dev's......
I dont want an answer
OK then, why does it matter if they're responded to?
is there a area that has known problems so i can relay the message
"Hey Ruuubick, I've noticed that this button doesn't work." and eventually it's read. You don't need a response for that.
I want them to read it and actually acknowledge the concerns
but when you see frequently reported users walk free you are unsure of the fact if they read all emails or no
gained the appropriate Trust Rank?
from who?
it's only me and my same migrated steam to vrchat account
i am little confused
@elfin cloak do you know what rank you are?
@cyan torrent You can report bugs/problems within #user-support-old but make sure nothing got posted about it recently
Can also use the https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports or support@vrchat.com to report it
But again- check its not there yet
@cold talon Hey, can you DM me your VRChat username?
what's your current rank?
TU
then you're good
ty
you can log in via the SDK and upload content
yes upload content...but i dont know how to send my content to another person (me)
❎
ah what? is that what i need to find in unity?
have you ever uploaded an avatar before
yes
then they should be on your account?
and world as well
@umbral reef thank you this helpped alot and i fwded the message to the effected party
Np- Can always ask for help in here and if no one responds fast enough just check #faq or #vrchat-support
i try to help out streamers that dont know how to contact the devs or support. so ill prob be here alot relaying messages in the future
Anyone have easy world dev ideas I could do to get my feet wet in the process?
a box with a mirror
you like wet feet?

LOL yes okay box with mirror
@vale epoch a hangout world made with unity generated boxes
Box, but all the walls are mirrors
@vocal shard noooo
I heard sounds are broken on avatars. Is this true? I’ve seen people reporting it on the canny
yes
Yes
I hear it has to do with onsp
no you'r little wrong about it
because i have vrchat account with another name and that account was created preety nearly
like before 5 or 6 months i dont remember
and that account was deducated for avatar and world creation
and now i have this aportunity to transfer my steam into a vrchat non steam.
so i need to know how to upload my unity content from vrchat another name to my steam i mean now vrchat deferent name
I don’t have onsp on my avatar’s sounds. I haven’t tested it yet but when I get home I will
Onsp gets added to everything upon upload
Not for me.
Then again I have not updated my sdk in a while, if I did, it probably would get added.
@elfin cloak you should be able to reupload to your main account
You just have to do everything manually and detach all the blueprints
Posting again: If you merged your Steam account into your VRChat account and got a lowered rank, please DM me with your VRChat username.
Also mirrors should be fixed.. for my worlds and some other worlds I’ve seen, the mirror reflection is darker than the world and sometimes, it’s darker enough to make avatars seem pitch black. I don’t know any settings in the mirror prefab to fix something like that but I might be stupid.
Upgrading without merging should have been fine though right?
@unkempt cliff you don’t have lights enabled or you don’t have light probes or mixed lighting
Upgrading without merging?
I have all three of those
@covert chasm Can i DM it right now?
Also if you already have a vrchat account connected can you disconnect it and upgrade to a new account?
No you have to have overlooked one of those things
Er
I merged my steam with vrchat acc and somehow my rank in steam went User to New User.
Send your username to Tupper or myself
thats what i wanted to happen
DM Tupper @neat ferry
but no 😦
Merges can't be disconnected later @near mango
alright.
Nope, I have lights enabled, they’re mixed, and I have a light probe surrounding the entire world, including the mirrors.
Its not connected/merged yet
The point I'm getting at is that I never use the account I already have connected to vrchat since I don't like the name so I'd rather just upgrade my steam account to a new one, but I haven't done the merge process yet
Ah yeah
could also ask for a name change
Oh okay
so do we know when the sound bug will be fixed?
I'll play it by ear then I guess
So yeah. My mirrors don’t work properly and I have all the lighting things necessary
@vocal shard Nothing is announced about it yet- Just sit tight
ye really hope they fix it soon lmao i was in the middle of avatar testing xD
I always getting a bug that i have to redownload the map.
like it finished downloading, then it resets to 0% again.
i waited for like 3 times and it still resets, i gave up downloading the map.
clearing local data fixes that for me
Can mirrors work like cameras? That'd probably make them run better
@tacit plank cameras are 2D


