"Political figures" as they call it
#vrchat-general-2
sterile drift
idle elm
Bots spamming emotes on all messages are abuse
sterile drift
I wasn't... Talking about bots though
idle elm
Oh I see. I assumed you meant something other than content not allowed here
vocal shard
about pepe ?
vocal shard
make no sense
sterile drift
You know how many global emotes use it
vocal shard
or thjey wouldn't* allow global emote in general or random chat either
vocal shard
they just don't want us to have fun
idle elm
These places are more moderated, and slower
sterile drift
yea
It's why I hang out in here instead
I can react to people's messages and it's in general slightly less nonsense than public lobby
opaque hawk
Sadly this place has had a few toxic people. So rules have to exist
vocal shard
Uhh, the only channel that is visible to newbies is the one where people start conversations*?* Shocker...
most people that talk in public-lobby have the role and can speak anywhere else, the fuck u talking about
sterile drift
lol
vocal shard
Oh
mighty galleon
<.<
vocal shard
Sean*!* Touch Svel*!*
mighty galleon
-touches eevee-
vocal shard
i don't even remember someone without the role speaking in public-lobby tbh
Oh shi~~
mighty galleon
i remember being verified in discord took a while
i remmeber all the "how long till im verified"
vocal shard
Wait, but isn't it the only viewable channel at first 🤔
supposedly yeah
So...
My point still stands
according to rules : Please read these rules. It may take some time for your account to be approved to post on our Discord server. Until you've been approved, you can only see a small number of channels. Please do not DM moderators or administrators if your role has not been assigned. If you have waited more than 2 days to be approved, please contact support@vrchat.com.
"small number of channels"
the talk-channel should logically be included
🤷
languid beacon
Are portals to private worlds allowed in public world submittals?
vocal shard
I never said that newbies could chat though in the 24± time though.. 🤔
newbies 
Peasants* Visitors✴
Wait... Oh finally*!*
mighty galleon
svel's offspring
vocal shard
My name got changed back*!*
mighty galleon
lol
night lark
still waiting for psvr release
vocal shard
Ok... Why 😭 !?
mighty galleon
<.<
vocal shard
I'm the dumbass from the future, not a wannabe smartie 😞
mighty galleon
hmm?
mighty galleon
svel
vocal shard
?
mighty galleon
when you going to own vrchat?
vocal shard
never, i don't want to deal with the retarded toxic community
vocal shard
i'll let tupper and vrpill deal with that shit 
vocal shard
@Svel when next patch*!* Gibb better performance nexx tem
@vocal shard but don't you deal with it without having the ability to stop it 🤔
i'll honestly just make a rule that instantly allows me to kick you if you ask that in the discord
i do
but since i'm not a mod
i don't have to be nice
and can jsut insult them
mighty galleon
insult me svel senpai
vocal shard
so i can kinda endure it
And then possible 👏 time*?*
yup
you are already a furry, sean, you don't need more insult added on top of that
Sean, You American Corn*!*
mighty galleon
lol
topaz panther
If you’re happy and you know it 👏🏻👏🏼
vocal shard
Two server users got kicked
topaz panther
If you’re sad and you know it?
mighty galleon
my avatar has no hands to clap with
vocal shard
Take depression pills and go to a therapist 🤔
topaz panther
Ohh 👣👣
mighty galleon
if you're happy and you know it, kick a person in the face
vocal shard
Stomp Stomp
topaz panther
Need full body tracking for that
topaz panther
🔝
vocal shard
Ok, now why this tagname*?!*
topaz panther
I like that one
vocal shard
I feel buuli'ed
languid beacon
If your happy and you know it shove your hips to the northwest corner of the map 👏 👏
mighty galleon
<.<
vocal shard
What did I ever do 😭*‽* I only broke 10 in-server rules 😭
But really though, whats this passive-agressiveness about 🤔
topaz panther
🤷🏻♀️
languid beacon
Owch
vocal shard
Ok, now they got the tagname wrong FFs
vestal edge
Does anyone know, does updating the SDK effect anything that has already been done?
mighty galleon
<.<
languid beacon
Depends on the change
vestal edge
Ok
languid beacon
Potentially but not necessarily
topaz panther
@vestal edge not if it’s already uploaded.. but if it’s in unity you’d just have to check the patch notes
vestal edge
Gotcha. Thanks
vocal shard
vrc changelog
we added emoji
Wait, what's the 8ballbot about 🤔
h a h a e p i c
at least they tuned desktop crouch
whatever that means
languid beacon
They broke and fixed it at the same time depends who you ask
vocal shard
oh my god
no
no
i look exactly the fucking same as i stand
where is the uniqueness
@vocal shard it makes your arms look like your crouching uncomfortably in desktop mode...
languid beacon
When did this change drop
languid beacon
Today now?
vocal shard
my hands were at front
i could pretend to touch people
now theyre just to the side
languid beacon
Oh yes
mighty galleon
dont worry rin
mighty galleon
i can touch your head instead
languid beacon
Weird just last night I had desktop people saying oh nice I can see my hands now
vocal shard
great
now we cant
prone is crap too
i still am forced to look inside my mesh when i look up
languid beacon
I wish we could disable the prone slowness
vocal shard
and we also have hands blocking face 24/7
mighty galleon
<.< >.>
night lark
languid beacon
You see your head looking up in prone vr as well is what I mean
opaque hawk
Override your prone animation as morphball
blazing meteor
I had a question about a bug I'm facing. When the new ranking system came out I was a known user. For some reason in the last week I am now a new user. Could I get some help on what to do about it?
vocal shard
nothing
sterile drift
Colliders on fixed joints are broke
For avatars at least. I used it to stay in the air properly.
boreal gull
The original change to crouch arm position was so nice...I still don't understand why they changed it...
"If it's not broken, don't fix it" doesn't really seem to apply to VRC
sterile drift
I mean the arms being up wasn't the original intention.
vocal shard
it was broken according to all the people that complained about it all the time
also, i feel like that fixed joint / rigid bodies break every update
sterile drift
I mean
Fixed joints are fine
I tested it with m y MMD animations on avatars
I put fixed joints on them so they'd stay in place
But fixed joints on colliders ensure you don't blast off in a direction.
Somehow they took that out
sterile drift
Have you seen me in game? I sometimes use a Voidoll with colliders that let me fly around.
Basically I'm "walking" on air.
I could stand in place too
But they decided we aren't having that.
vocal shard
no fun allowed
sterile drift
tall storm
You mean you can't hover or fly now? There's someone I saw that uses FMC to 'climb' stuff.
opaque hawk
None
Oh @sterile drift next time you’re online I want to show you a hi-res Pokémon style face I made and even added eye tracking to.
Er modded is a better word.
sterile drift
lol
sterile drift
Does it matter?
sterile drift
You can still move really fast forward but you can't like stay still in air.
elfin cloak
question: what's the desktop reticle means?
inner cape
I know a person who perfected the flying system with colliders. You can stay still in the air or fly around and it's smooth as heck.
Don't say it's a modded client just yet. I know what I'm talking about
elfin cloak
i disable it and i still have crosshair so that's not it
yeah i know but i still have it even if i disable it
tacit plank
It's definite the white dot in the center of your screen. The blue light which comes when you rightclick can't be disabled though
try enable and disable, or restarting. It's meant to disappear
elfin cloak
oof i was have that probelm until i swich to a new avatar now is gone
twin jacinth
How do you send in a report on someone again?
naked model with details
inner cape
twin jacinth
Thanks
inner cape
Use the email rather than the Google form
sterile drift
@inner cape Was his name Gilvek?
inner cape
Nope
inner cape
Cool
sterile drift
Or rather
tacit plank
I was yelled at for having a "lewd" avatar despite it just being a work-in-progress, which meant a base with underwear
sterile drift
It WAS smooth
But they broke it
Before this update, this wasn't an issue. Now they messed it up somehow.
vocal shard
yes
sterile drift
Doubt it means a guarantee that they'll "patch" it
Patch in quotes because I don't think it's something intended in the first place.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
inner cape
They broke my friends' flying before.
sterile drift
What's happening right now is that, well before, having a fixed joint on a box collider would have it so you're standing in place on it.
Now it just retains the properties of a normal collider.
So it just shoots you forward.
inner cape
Haven't worked with it myself so can't help much.
sterile drift
I don't think it CAN be helped.
tacit plank
What if you surround the avatar with walls and move those?
sterile drift
I don't think it'll change much
Except that you'll only move up
Instead of in front or to the sides.
tacit plank
Or make an animation which moves the avatar itself, and then apply root motion. I haven't tried these things myself yet but they work in theory
Sounds strange
hexed echo
I got a really important question
I've been playing with a random person in VRChat all day
I added as a friend in-game but
he went offline and I don't know why
I want to add this person on steam or like anything
I've added every person with the same username in steam I just
I don't know what to do. FeelsBadMan
sterile drift
Not really that "important"
But if they were a Steam user, search their name and the last four random characters as well
That should be their Steam account
tacit plank
Search their name on the website
They should have the same profile picture and Steam picture
hexed echo
hey its really important for me
sterile drift
Yea it can be important to you, correct
hexed echo
and he didn't have 4 last random characters
sterile drift
But when I see the word "important" I think "Does it apply to everyone?"
hexed echo
is that because it isn't linked to steam?
sterile drift
He likely has a VRChat account instead then
sterile drift
Next time he gets on
Ask him for his Steam
Well, time to go back to Lucky's Tale. Adeon, you know what I'm doing ;>
languid beacon
open relic
Got on for the first time in several months yesterday. Truly enjoyed it again and hope to be in more :) nicer now that there aren't so many knuckles and the toxicity has gone down, even in more public spaces.
languid beacon
They deleted my account from the DK2 days and someone jumped my name before I came back 😦
idle elm
😦 it musta been when the TOS was linked to the accounts, and you didn't agree to it.
languid beacon
Yeah I went on hiatus for a long while
open relic
Was good to see you @sterile drift . Thanks for showing me around :D
sterile drift
No problem
young dirge
I dont know if you can
meager summit
I mean, a bunch of friends have changed
vocal shard
ask the support
rigid crescent
biggest meme of the update
"What a great avatar, please use an optimized Pug" is what it should say lol
vocal shard
You are now blocked by OwlBoy.
queen mango
We need more pugs in the Great Pug
rigid crescent
lol being blocked by someone i don't want to meet doesn't sound that bad when you think about it
sharp heron
So this update was never an 'open beta' at all (even though it shows 'Open Beta' just below the version on the latest release page).
https://i.imgur.com/4DkQ0yA.png
A bit misleading? I dunno. Typo? Possible.
languid beacon
It look me longer than I’ll admit to realize it wasn’t called The Pub
opaque hawk
Same
umbral reef
It was an open beta though?
Its just that they did not write an new* report the stuff from beta to live
sharp heron
All I know is I opted in, and people that weren't were able to see me.
sterile drift
I think at the start they accidentally released the Open Beta release as the actual update.
umbral reef
Because that is how the beta works?
idle elm
If you have suggestions for The Great Pug, please open an issue on the public GitHub repo: https://github.com/owlboy/greatpug-public
sharp heron
They aren't able to see you (if you have the beta).
sterile drift
I mean last time they did an updated one, I think they still updated after applying feedback
This, they just released what was the Beta
umbral reef
Again- Thats how the beta works
The Live and beta are not teh same thing
So they dont work together
@sterile drift well so far i know there was no insane outcry this time
sharp heron
I was opted in. I shouldn't be seeing people that aren't. Yet I was seeing everyone.
So explain that.
vocal shard
wtf
umbral reef
You sure you opted in for just the beta?
As the build is live right now
rigid crescent
there was a beta? lol
umbral reef
And why didnt you report it a few days ago ... It would have been usefull back then
rigid crescent
i didnt even see it
sharp heron
Yes. I opted in just before launching.
idle elm
The beta is over, don't use that build anymore
sharp heron
@umbral reef, they just released it today...?
umbral reef
Yes
idle elm
it ended when the release happened.
umbral reef
Read #announcements my dude
sharp heron
I was...
vocal shard
@idle elm i dont want to make an useless demand, if i wwant to suggest something, do i need to open an "issue" ?
umbral reef
There is no beta happening right now... So im not sure what you are talking about 👀
vocal shard
or is there a separate suggestion and i'm blind and i dont see it
sharp heron
Read the notes. Look at my picture.
rigid crescent
i thought the last beta was the trust thing :0
idle elm
Yeah, all suggestions, feature requests and bugs would become "issues" in the way Github terms things.
umbral reef
As i said earlier also
They just didnt change the name
As they would have to rewrite the full update log
So they didnt do it
As nothing changed since the beta 
rigid crescent
was there one on the 12th?
vocal shard
@idle elm thanks, i'll make a suggestion right away, surprised that nobody did that one yet tbh.
umbral reef
Well- If you claim to opt manually into the beta while there is none going on right now... The announcements explained it fairly well that an new build was live (with the build number)
Its far from super clear but its VRC- No one expects the perfect communication by now
They love to hide things or forget to say some things 🤷
sharp heron
All I know, is this is the first time I even read about a beta going on (since the Trust & Safety one). And the last time they mentioned anything related to a version change was when the Trust & Safety system was released.
I literally have announcements as the only channel active on this server. I check it every day.
umbral reef
Its legit the second to last msg...
Made yesterday/today depending where you live
with an mention even
sharp heron
I am looking, and I see this.
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/latest-release
umbral reef
And the post itself says nothing 👀
safe prism
it's not there if you reload it
umbral reef
Because it does say the build version and ect in there
sharp heron
Mmmm.
umbral reef
its not- They just flat out didnt update there things
sharp heron
I am noticing it's dated the 12th. Interesting.
umbral reef
Because the beta went live back then
As since then nothing changed
So they pushed it also for live
languid beacon
I think they just edit the message keeping only the most recent beta info here
Editing a message won’t make a Notification :p
sharp heron
Ok. But I'm still not seeing any mention of a beta on the 12th. The only post in announcements between the Trust & Safety update and this one, is this thing about judges about a contest.
That's all I see.
I dunno.
cinder viper
Hey all is there a why in desktop mode to remove the red mic icon in bottom of the screen?
languid beacon
It’s Tuppers most recent post in #open-beta-info but he has since edited the message since it’s closed now
@cinder viper yes, On the Esc menu, UI -> HUD elements off. You can also turn nametags off there if you want
I’m not sure if it also hides friend requests and invites
cinder viper
thanks want to turn it off for videos and photos much appreciated little new to all this
gloomy valve
new update?
rigid crescent
gloomy valve
new emojis and some QOL updates.
rigid crescent
anyone know where the animations for the default animations are in the SDK?
whoa there's lots of new emojis
little wave
If you're talking about the hand gestures those aren't in the SDK 
rigid crescent
i like how they added the money one for....you know
not the hand ones, but the actual Emotes. I'm guessing those aren't either though
rigid crescent
i kinda just want them in case they disappear like the old emojis did
the Point is a legendary insult
sterile drift
@rigid crescent I tried looking for the defaults in the SDK
rigid crescent
they must be available on the unity store though right?
sterile drift
They aren't there
rigid crescent
since that's what the game essentially is
little wave
Die is pretty easy to mimic on your own
rigid crescent
im actually willing to go through pack after pack just to find Point lol
rigid crescent
oh shit is it? that's easier then
sterile drift
I think it's like "lazy point" or something.
sonic rock
Almost all default animations are on mixamo
rigid crescent
nice
sterile drift
Dance is literally called "silly dance"
rigid crescent
i have nothing to worry about then
rigid crescent
nah i just needed the Emote but if it's on Mixamo i'll just grab it there in case it becomes a relic
languid beacon
I saw the money emoji as more of a “take my money!” thing, but I guess it depends on where your mind is, lol
rigid crescent
naaaah they knew what they were doing
languid beacon
I bet x)
sterile drift
Waitwaitwait. @rough flax Hit me up with those
hallow mantle
Because the new update moved the "Exit VRChat" over a bit when I went to exit and clicked where I normally do and it wasn't there, I had a SAO there is no exit button panic. Then I shifted my eyes to the left and was relieved. Thanks VRC
lime umbra
Theres this "sexy blaziken" avatar I've seen around, does anyone know the name of the room where its located?
zinc solar
I know the deviant creator to get a sexy blazikan? I've worked on some for erp furry commissions, let me look for the non-nsfw model
rough flax
Oh laword furries
small wing
Really weird question, but can i get the money emoji image hehe.
i figured asking is the best thing to do considering most just rip the game files.
hoping a dev or whoever made it can send it, i wanna make some avatars with it. ❤
maiden hound
can someone help me? in random worlds my character doesnt move from the spawn while i'm moving
like in murder
or pass the grenade
really sucks
i really want to play murder with my friends but my avatar just doesnt move from spawn, on my screen its moving but for others its not
btw it was working last week
tacit plank
Those worlds might have a combat script in common, if that's any help
gaunt pine
so when someone loses trusted user how do they get it back?
maiden hound
is it because of FBT?
tacit plank
If they lost it a few weeks ago, it's probably when ranks were recalibrated. Otherwies they might have been kicked/blocked/muted a lot.
Usually you just play the game normally or upload content to get better ranks though
Idk Delaney, I think it's a pretty advanced issue, maybe related to weird components on your avatar. You'd have to ask in the more advanced channels
warm turtle
its a bug, just have to restart
warm turtle
hmm
rough flax
@maiden hound 
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umbral oracle
@maiden hound Are you sure you are t posing correctly for FBT? Does it work normally when you do not use FBT?
maiden hound
i havent tried it without. I am pretty sure i am t posing correctly
umbral oracle
does it walk normally from your perspective? and if you do an emote or walk using the directional pad does it work from your perspective
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
umbral oracle
I would check the output log for errors if you see this again. maybe it would provide some clues.
maiden hound
alright, ill do it in a bit. everything is working in lag box and stuff so right now im just playing around in there.
umbral oracle
hmm that is really unusual. maybe not related to FBT then. Especially if you see your own character moving normally like when you look down
maiden hound
yeah 😦
ocean bramble
Who moved #avatar-rigging below #animation? 
modern sand
👀
ocean bramble
Good Ruubick 
viscid juniper
Can we have more slots for fav avatars 
lime umbra
This 👆
raw lagoon
the update didn't did jack shit
raw lagoon
vrchat is not responding message be gone
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/BMm6g/3a4a975038.jpg explain this
grave holly
Any word on chairs coming back to models?
raw lagoon
tupper say once we re enable it
queen mango
Are chairs a running joke in this community now?
vocal shard
I just miss the chairs
queen mango
Well... I do like how the physics bork when you drag the chair while you are seated
maiden hound
what do people use to move in FBT on vrchat? like to fly
vocal shard
Playspace mover
maiden hound
thank youuu
maiden hound
yeah i really want to just sit on peoples shoulders like others do 😂
vocal shard
Lol
queen mango
Heh. I think that's probable with small(loli) avatars.
But It's pretty ridiculous when you try it with bigger ones
queen mango
Looks fun
marsh meteor
does anyone know a good place to look for home worlds?
gloomy valve
search home world. or look for a theme that resinates with you.
opaque hawk
Why do people sleep in vrchat?
gloomy valve
that im still trying to figure out
vocal shard
Some people do not have meaning in their lives
gloomy valve
oh man thats sad.
umbral oracle
There's a sense of "presence" of being near someone that you feel if you are in a world with other people
vocal shard
Truly unfortunate
tall storm
I've played with a few people who just forcibly play through fatigue until they pass out.
Not much you can do, but for some maps there are stimuli that could help put someone to sleep
The same as someone falling asleep on the keyboard, except you can see it this time around.
gloomy valve
interesting thought
so like those "lofi" worlds you come across every now and then?
quartz basin
People who fall asleep in VRchat don't have their priorities in check.
gloomy valve
^this
civic plume
waht
the
fuck
i join vrchat to get fucking my ears blown out with some shitty halloween music
like wtf
is it the game or just this world?!
quartz basin
Never have your sound settings above 50%
rough pulsar
It's a bit of a race to the bottom because everyone turns their sound effects down, avatar/world makers notice this so turn the volume up so people turn their sound down some more and it loops until you can set your volume to 5% and it's still loud
It's ridiculous
ocean bramble
World creators should expect the sound being at 100%
rough pulsar
I would say setting the volume to sound good at 50% may be better, since it allows the user to balance it to their preferences both ways.
coral vessel
oof
zinc solar
When you do free commissions and most of the commissions your get are ERP avatars =3=
vocal shard
Sadtimes
zinc solar
Well people got to bust that VRNut
quartz basin
How much do you earn per avatar?
quartz basin
Wasted opportunity especially with the ERP community
zinc solar
There was this one time I charged $2 for an avatar because they wanted particle effects
quartz basin
You can milk them
vocal shard
honestly
charge 20 bucks
everyone will still rush to you
seeing that most commissions are 200+ bucks
zinc solar
Meh, I don't like selling avatars I make because to be honest like everyone I get my avatars from deviantART or other places and I never really make them so I'll feel bad taking other people's work and making something for someone
vocal shard
they are frnkenstein models basically
zinc solar
Yeah some people think they're the gods of Avatar making. That's why I always do free commissions because I don't want to charge people
rigid crescent
i don't think 200+ is the norm lol
quartz basin
Well, 200+ commissions are mostly models made from scratch.
rigid crescent
yeah that's what i thought he meant at first not just MMD mashes
those are usually pretty cheap
quartz basin
I know someone who's paying 250 bucks for his commission...
rigid crescent
makes sense if you're getitng something from scratch
vocal shard
@rigid crescent i knpow 2 people that are/were pretty popular for model making
Ive seen 3d models for 400 on turbosquid
and they charged 200+ bucks
Usually rigged and animated
Unrigged ones are dirt cheap
rigid crescent
i mean i know a ton that don't charge that much...
quartz basin
These guys either have too much disposable income or no clue how to deal with money. They pay for the VR headset, trackers, probably wireless headset, too.
zinc solar
The reason why I did commissions. Was when I wanted an avatar the guy charged me $70 and gave me a piece of crap. So I vowed to do free commissions to save people. Took 3 months to finally Master anything about Avatar making
vocal shard
i mean, as long as people are willing to pay, why not i guess.
quartz basin
And then they pay some hobo 250 bucks for custom avatar they only use to spread their legs.
rigid crescent
Bem charges that much, partially at least, because he got so popular and had a massive commission list
vocal shard
I mean the best check is to just go on any 3d model website and see their sales lists for humanoid models
rigid crescent
but i genuinely think his are really good, so you're definitely paying for quality
vocal shard
bem charge 200 minimum
rigid crescent
at least the stuff i used to see months ago
vocal shard
price only goes up from there depending on what you want
rigid crescent
it used to be a lot lower before he was popular, just like with most popular model makers
but they're definitely not the majority by any means
zinc solar
I don't know why people charge so much just to roam around as generic anime character
zinc solar
Pay*
quartz basin
I want to call him out and see if he's paying his fair share of taxes.
rigid crescent
because they want something of their own and don't know how to do it themselves
or don't know better
umbral reef
Some people spend thousands of hours into this game and want an special "Me" that no one else has
Or for streamers its to get there own me for there imago
quartz basin
Why not be a special "me" by just being "you"?
rigid crescent
why don't you roam around as a cube?
vocal shard
Philosophical
because for some people, appearance is also important
i don't do anything that fancy but i still like to have a pretty model
rigid crescent
if appearance wasn't important to nearly every person in this game, then the vast majority would just be using a block anyway
vocal shard
not some random bullshit found on deviant art
zinc solar
@quartz basin because most people are too ashamed of themselves in real life and need an anime characters and make themselves seem and look more
zinc solar
LOL, not my fault most people compel appearance space on the voice and the character
vocal shard
Damned cheese eating cat wizard
i use 2 models, a custom made MMD model and a monkey
zinc solar
That's a pumpkin pie
vocal shard
not really ashamed of me IRL
zinc solar
Plus my main Avatar. Is just a RuneScape character cuz I like RuneScape
twin jacinth
200+ for a model made from scratch
my god
twin jacinth
Fucking hell
rigid crescent
yeah, again, not that common
vocal shard
i only know polarstar that make models from scratch
and s imple model with a simple humnaoid rig
can cost between 100 to 200 bucks
rigid crescent
yeah even a base can cost a lot
zinc solar
Fun fact professionally made characters are sometimes free or below hundred. So mostly paying for the rigging I guess
vocal shard
100 bucks for a base model from scratch is not that expensive tbh
zinc solar
I know some sites that do really really cheap characters without the rigging
vocal shard
What’s rigging
rigid crescent
putting a skeleton onto a mesh and weighting it to he skeleton
umbral reef
Weight painting is a fucking bitch though
twin jacinth
I've been trying to get into making models/world for a months now
lmao xD
everytime i'm like ''Maybe tomorrow'' i want to play games
rigid crescent
yeah definitely a pain
vocal shard
You need a routine
twin jacinth
Yeeah
think i'll start on making a world though as it seems easier
vocal shard
weight painting is really annoying
zinc solar
The only world I made was podcast room, never have I ever Early Access, and karaoke bar
vocal shard
but having a good topology will help you a lot
i usually "clean" my models so i can paint them more easily
quartz basin
My avatar has 20 materials. Come and fight me!
vocal shard
Maybe painting each mesh separately to avoid bleeding helps
BUT REMEMBER TO JOIN THEM
I painted a skirt with little to no skill and it only tears on the middle a little
What kind of VR headset is recommended for VRC
rigid crescent
im glad more of my friends are getting into optimizing, especially with the newish plugin for cats
any of them
vocal shard
Any
rigid crescent
they all work fine with VRC
rigid crescent
those work, unless you mean like the Go
quartz basin
You can nowadays just use your smartphone with Joy-Cons for VR.
vocal shard
I gotta go
rigid crescent
almost all of them do
twin jacinth
Vive and Oculus is the best but most expensive options
zinc solar
I have every Shader, every animation, and every eye texture imaginable goml
rigid crescent
Between those two, it's a "Do you eventually want full body" flow chart
vocal shard
just get the ouculus rift tbh
better mic and way better controllers
weary cypress
oculus = bad tracking
twin jacinth
Vive has better out of the box tracking though
Oculus you need 3 trackers to get the same tracking as vive right?
not 100 sure but it should be somewhat true
quartz basin
The tracking is on par with Vive and who needs FBT for only one game?
vocal shard
okay buddy
vital rune
that new crouching better still let me aim my gun properly
weary cypress
oculus looks like a cupboard box tbh
i still prefer the premium feeling that vive/vive pro gives
no offense
vital rune
based john carmack vr headset
vocal shard
it looks like an VR headset like any other headset
quartz basin
Premium feeling? Both are made out of plastic
twin jacinth
Nah its not on par with vive i'm pretty sure it's a bit worse out of the box
vocal shard
we got an HTC fanboy apparently
weary cypress
nah im corsair
rigid crescent
Rift full body tracking is just fine
twin jacinth
but if you get a 3rd tracker it's just as good and it's cheaper
rigid crescent
i can't ever tell the difference
quartz basin
You have to pay more for one Vive controller than two touch controllers and a sensor.
vocal shard
and especially not in vrchat
quartz basin
Think about that.
rigid crescent
wasn't that package cheap for people who had the old setup with one sensor?
vocal shard
insert knuckles praise
rigid crescent
"BUT GUYS OUR IMAGINARY CONTROLLERS THAT WILL PROBABLY BE 400 DOLLARS!"
twin jacinth
Vive controler is 100 ish
so you're saying that 1 controller and 1 sensor is 25 each?
source please
interested in that
rigid crescent
two touch controllers and one sensor
quartz basin
I pay 119€ for the Touch Controller package which consists of two Touch Controller and a sensor
zinc solar
Name one benefit for vrchat that full-body tracking has over non VR users?
rigid crescent
vive controllers are 150
vital rune
goddamn it
rigid crescent
it's fun, it's "immersive", you can do fun stuff
vital rune
they just reverted the crappy crouching animation back
rigid crescent
jump, dance, the other stuff
quartz basin
Also the availability of Vive products is kind of non-existent? Atleast here in Germany
vital rune
aka just the standpose but your legs squatted
zinc solar
Don't know the immersive thing when you see Shrek fighting SpongeBob and a deathclaw from Fallout is trying to break them up
twin jacinth
It's pretty cool to use fbt but not worth it tbh
i tried it out and i'm prob returning them as i dont use them and i can't get the avatar to fit properly
rigid crescent
You take the term too literally but alright
you know just what I mean too, you just like being difficult.
so it's 150 for one vive controller vs 100 for one vive
vocal shard
@twin jacinth did you fix your models to fit you and work properly ?
zinc solar
Meh
twin jacinth
Nope i dont do avatars and the one i use i don't have files for
only uploaded
vocal shard
well no wonder it doesnt work properly
you have to make some adjustment to the models so they fit your IRL proportions
twin jacinth
pain in the arse tbh to do that just to make it work properly >.<
mistake on my side to not research it enough
vocal shard
yep, FBT is expensive and it require a lot of work to make it work properly
twin jacinth
If i ever get into making avatars and can fix it i might buy it again but for now ill return it
vital rune
is it stupid to be upset with the changed crouching and prone animations
because I am rn
rigid crescent
yes
vocal shard
yes and no
the crouch made you look like you were holding an invisible box
but it was actually useful if you had a weapon since you could basically aim at someone like that
vital rune
exactly
the only reason why I'm upset with it
I cant aim at somebody anymore without holding some random prop
woven steppe
desktop prone now looks like sniper position
vital rune
except for some reason pointed upwards
vocal shard
it was always like that beofre the desktop crouch/prone
VR user that went prone would hold an imaginary sniper when they dont move their hands
vocal shard
Sonic Avatar World/Map needed
Sonic CD - Palmtree Panic
In this luxurious world lies a tropical island full of beauty and excitement. There, starry flowers bloom brightly, palm trees glitter and blue hedgehogs live and play. There is also an avatar room with a fancy mirror and a collection of Sonics as well.
Avatars:
- Classic Sonic (with spin dash + super form)
- Modern Sonic (with spin dash + super form)
- Boom Sonic (with facial expressions, spin dash + super form)
- Tails (with flying animation + super form)
- Knuckles (with facial expressions)
- Amy (with Piko Piko Hammer)
If you are obsessed with making avatar worlds/maps, try making one with what you’re reading.?
twin jacinth
Doubt anyone would do that for free man
That's a lot of work for something you want to be done for free
near saffron
Yeah, u probs want to pay someone on vrc traders for that
glossy wharf
@quartz basin I got my vive stuff here in germany just fine.
ruby burrow
I had no trouble in the UK. Might be lucky timing, but haven't heard of any shortage issues.
I also still dispute the notion that Rift is actually cheaper to any relevant degree worth basing a decision on. (When regarding roomscale)
Extra sensor + Separate batteries and charger + tripods / wall mounts.
Needing to buying USB extension cables separately along with a USB hub also seems to be very common. Is actually listed in the "frequently bought together" section on Amazon with Oculus sensors.
It'd be quite easy for that to cost more than the 100 saved.
ruby burrow
Well people are buying extra ones regardless.
Also needing four separate USBs is just ridiculous.
ruby burrow
Needs a link box type thing, or at least a USB hub included in the box.
vocal shard
not required but really suggested to do so
ruby burrow
As far as I recall reading up on it, the headset requires only USB 2.0, whilst the sensors ideally each want 3.0 if you can give it to them, to have optimal performance.
ruby needle
im not sure about the headset and 2.0 but the sensor work on 2.0 without issues
vocal shard
pretty sure the headset needs to be on 3.0
ruby burrow
Hmm. Yeah, the Oculus website does seem to state as much afterall.
" 1x 3.0 USB port for the headset
1x 3.0 USB port for the 3D Positional Tracker
1x 3.0 USB port for Oculus Touch (available at a later date)
1x 2.0 USB port for Xbox wireless controller
Notes:
If you do not have any USB 3.0 ports available, you may use USB 2.0 ports instead.
Using USB 2.0 ports degrades tracking reliability between the headset and sensor."
What is "1x 3.0 USB port for Oculus Touch" supposed to mean though?
ruby needle
that sounds old
vocal shard
the touch doesnt need an usb port
ruby burrow
Yeah, it must be. Presumably still correct though, regarding the headset at least.
vocal shard
wtf
ruby burrow
Yeah exactly what I was wondering. xD
And it only mentions one "3D Positional Tracker", which is presumably the sensor? Weird support page.
vocal shard
headset - usb 3.0
sensor 1 - usb 3.0 (can work with 2.0)
sensor 2 - usb 3.0 (can work on usb 2.0)
sensors 3 - usb 2.0 (you can use 3.0 if you have a spare)
ruby needle
yeah
vocal shard
that's it
ruby burrow
That does surely mean that the 3rd sensor is running at lower spec than the initial two though right?
ruby needle
2.0 is, at least for me, not noticeably worse then 3.0
im on a 2 sensor both 2.0 360° setup with both looking at each other and a not that small space
ceiling to ground fully tracked
the only reason i will upgrade to a third one some when is reducing death spots
coral vessel
when you notice theres alot more people playing vrchat then you think eksdee, all in private worlds
ruby burrow
Be bold, ask for invitations to their privates!
ruby burrow
Oh, good job! You're braver than me then. :v
coral vessel
well i mean its one thing to request its another thing for them to invite you or not x
xd
ruby burrow
Really it depends on who it is for me. Some people I won't hesitate at all to request on. Others I never do.
coral vessel
yea same for me honestly, kinda wonder how popular worlds would be if we all couldnt join priv worlds for a day
ruby needle
well
at least half wouldn't play at all
the real quote would propably be way higher 
ruby needle
why would it track steam users 
coral vessel
does it only track public world numbers or as a whole?
because if its as a whole type thing i counted about 7k plus in priv worlds xd
ruby needle
if the bot works how it should work then it should track logged in users to the game/api ?
coral vessel
hmmm maybe i'd def have to ask a dev one day
ruby needle
if i would have to bet on something then logged in users to the photon network
which means all playing users, but not website / api users
median basalt
The bot probably just grabs the data from Steam
Since it's only available on Steam
You can get a live playercount at any time
ruby needle
that isn't exactly true
currently it is only (normally) usable trough steam but it wans't be fore and that will also be in the future
median basalt
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5870 users in VRChat currently
median basalt
Not sure where the bot pulls its data from
But there's no reason it can't come from a similar source as this one
ruby needle
logged in users to the photon network makes most sense to me
for getting a online user statistic
it tracks all users
wether they user it with steam or not
and it excludes login window people / crashed people during sleep
as their session either didnt begin or was closed (timed out)
median basalt
Pretty sure the game is only available through Steam
So I'm not sure what you mean with "whether they use it with Steam or not"
ruby needle
you can play it without steam and steamvr
you will need steam for updates for sure
(curently)
but playing with OpenComposite wont be tracked by steam
at least as far as im aware of
someone might correct me there
median basalt
How many people will do that, realistically speaking? And I'm pretty sure you still need to have Steam open to launch the game
Unless you enter in offline mode maybe
ruby needle
no you dont
median basalt
But that's specific as hell
ruby needle
neither steam nor steam vr
you just launch it like any Oculus app
it even appears like a native app
the only thing steam is needet for is downloading the updates
as its the only place currently spreading the data
median basalt
Yeah, it seems launching the .exe directly doesn't require Steam. Interesting
But even then, that doesn't actually answer where the bot pulls its data from
ruby needle
this game is not steam bound as some thing and it's planned to be natively oculus released again too
median basalt
"It would be better to use the Photon API" doesn't mean that the devs are actually doing that
ruby needle
promissed for this year even 
well, the real answere is only known by the person who wrote it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
safe prism
remember VRCBot is part of vrchat
it can easily have a fuckload of access to anything on vrc
stuff you can't access, etc
or, you know
use the API VRChat already has
lmao
still lark
You don't have to be an asshole about it, but that visits counts in unity logins too.
vocal shard
when we are not in VR, normally if we crouch and that we have an object related to our avatars we can aim with, why to have suppressed the fact of being able to aim with objects when we are not in VR it is super helpful and I would like an explanation on this unnecessary and very annoying suppression!
thank you. @covert chasm
queen mango
I don't think he can help you at this moment.
median basalt
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6337 users in VRChat currently
queen mango
You can ask a moderator or someone who knows that kind of stuff
median basalt
Yeah, the bot isn't pulling live from that address
In fact, the bot might be counting Unity logins as well then as Scruffy said
twin jacinth
Don't tag the admins
If you have complains send it on mail to them instead or suggest it on the canny
safe prism
then it'd be using amplitude
still lark
doubt it
median basalt
@vocal shard override the crouch animation yourself then
still lark
Assuming that works.
median basalt
Haven't tried it yet
safe prism
dismissing everything someone says then calling me an asshole is not making you less of an asshole
median basalt
But overriding crouch should work since the game's IK does not seem to touch the arms and hands in desktop
still lark
I tried it last patch and it didn't work, so hopefully they fixed it
median basalt
A friend posted a bug report about colliders and fixed joints, hope they didn't break anything about that either
still lark
Oh right, I should try that.
median basalt
I mean, the colliders still work, he was just using a particular method to keep them stable
But that seems to be broken now, he's always at full force forward
still lark
Yeah, I'm trying his version
Yeah, it's unstable now
Its like it's mixed between a normal one and a fixed joint collider
glossy wharf
are there any docs for the vrc api
still lark
Maybe, why you wanna know? 😉
quartz basin
He wants to hack, devilish.
safe prism
not official ones
glossy wharf
already found community made docs
safe prism
mhm
still lark
Still unhappy on that statement
glossy wharf
Oh im not gonna build anything on it
for now
just interested in looking at the endpoints
quiet cloud
.....
vocal shard
fill out the form in #moderation-reports @hardy crystal
quiet cloud
..
quiet cloud
👌
vocal shard
how do i change the controls
quiet cloud
i dunno
near sky
@vocal shard Shift+Click on VRChat.exe in the install folder. In the configuration menu that pops up, go under input, rebind there.
Should correspond fine.
sterile drift
Hey @rough pulsar Is it possible for you to delete my canny post? Someone warned me about the discussion of the topic I presented in it, and the website won't let me delete it myself.
near sky
@vocal shard I know it's finnicky sometimes. Click it once to select before trying.
vocal shard
@near sky now it just makes me rename the file
ok i just realized you meant double click
umbral reef
I really wonder what post you made now Eevee 🤔
umbral reef
Owww that one
distant path
Does a window 10 have a mic built into it?
vocal shard
@distant path a windows 10 what
distant path
Pc
near sky
@vocal shard Did you launch it through the config window you changed the settings in? - May be that they don't correspond into the bindings in-game.
vocal shard
@distant path self built?
distant path
One that u buy in a store?
vocal shard
@distant path it depends on the brand and model
distant path
Oh okay ty
hardy crystal
@vocal shard This is great, got a response already. Thank you!
vocal shard
wtf? you got a response? I thought they never respond to reports lol! awesome
sterile drift
To all the people who complain that the mods don't respond ever:
rigid crescent
sterile drift
Mic mine is similar but I'm tryna get mine taken down
Can't delete it myself
For some odd reason
sterile drift
Also GearBell made one too
hardy crystal
I mean I assume they would respond fast since they put in all that "trust" system in
And people with blue names+ still abuse the crash thing
sterile drift
Lol
hardy crystal
I mean seriously think about it
You develop a great game and some people decide hey we can crash other people
So you work hard to stop them
They keep going but less.. But still that is annoying
median basalt
It's not just about touching each other with the broken joints
People were using it for various applications
I hope it gets fixed soon
rigid crescent
Oh were they?
ivory folio
Getting crashed in 2018 omegalul
rigid crescent
Smh corrupting a pure game function like ear touching
median basalt
Just saying, before people start accusing others of only caring because of cross-avatar interaction
dapper stump
🤔
rigid crescent
Weird, why even remove that
raven silo
so they remove joints on avatar?
vocal shard
they didnt remove them
they just don't work like they used to
so if you had a systrm that used them
it's most likely broke
median basalt
I hope it's not intentional
And I hope it's fixed soon, apparently the devs have already seen the canny posts
vocal shard
probably not intentional
they would said something
if they changed them or removed them
frozen trout
Some Avatar's in Toga's world used Hinge joints for the lightning orb. As well as Heronfools using Spring joints for floating cubes in a performance animation.
frozen trout
The crazy thing is I can't exactly point my finger on what in the changes could have effected it. Unless adjusting the crouch animation for desktop involved adding a joint adding leading to joints within joints creating the conflict. So my best guess is that it's a feature they are working on in the future that has some pieces in this one that are causing it.
pearl stag
Everything still works for me.
still lark
Very descriptive, thank you.
true sky
noticed the crouch animation on desktop looks ugly again
still lark
Better but me want older sneaky one back
sterile drift
Some people want the one where they hold their arms out
strange wagon
guys what happened to the camera?
i can't take pics anymore by pressing the trigger
sterile drift
Shioro
compact river
sterile drift
Are you using the Stream camera?
strange wagon
uhhh
vocal shard
cameras have been removed because exploits
sterile drift
lol
strange wagon
i just wipped out the camera to take a pic but pushing the trigger did nothing
i didn't pay attention to what mode it is on
sterile drift
Are you using the Stream camera lol
strange wagon
i'd have to check
uuuuh
gonna set up vr again because that was a few hours ago
if the layout changed and the stream camera is in that place now i might haven't noticed it lol
mighty galleon
-pats the shioro-
strange wagon
i actually used the wrong camera yea
subtle sierra
Hi everyone, Do someone know what's the cheapest Vr set with controlers ?
Around 250 would be perfect
small wing
if you really wanna go in that direction (which i really don't recommend at all because its a crap experience) Just use google cardboard on a phone and custom firmware wii controllers.
vocal shard
still nothing for changing the controls?
its literally unplayable on my layout
console level game
subtle sierra
Is the oculus Rift good ?
small wing
implying consoles are bad based on the controls.
safe prism
rift and vive are the gold standards
vocal shard
implying consoles limiting your ability to change controls isnt bad
small wing
@subtle sierra Its decent for button placement, but bad for having to use a mandatory software.
subtle prawn
Vive's mandatory software is Steam 
umbral reef
Cant you change the layout of ya controller with the stream stuff
small wing
Oculus forces you to use their runtime service
which is like a middleman
and it kinda causes issues
safe prism
if you're on VR, you can just remap your controllers in the steamvr overlay
if you're not, lmao oops
rough pulsar
Not entirely. While you need to use Steam once to download SteamVR you don't have to have Steam running unless you want to, or need some of its functions.
small wing
My steamvr auto launches though.
safe prism
steam != steamvr
subtle prawn
🦐
languid beacon
Yeah you can use SteamVR without steam running. It’s standalone
People think it’s just another thing like big picture mode but it is separate
safe prism
it even uses big picture mode for the overlay tab :D
small wing
So you mean i can go into program files and click the launcher there?
safe prism
ye
small wing
🤔
floral flaxBOT
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