vrchat-general-2

[errant merlin]

What does the "Clear cache and player prefs" in VRChat's SDK on Unity do?

[vocal shard]

"Clear cache and player prefs" presumably helps fix any errors you may have such as avatar not uploading, and avatars being uploaded into a broken state (red robot). I have not used it yet to see what it exactly does.

[true sky]

@north axle Find Pewdiepie

[vocal shard]

pewds suck so much at video games that he managed to also suck in vrchat

fucking idiot can't change the damn locomotion system

[true sky]

[vocal shard]

isnt locomotion in the menu

like

right there

[umbral reef]

I see how you would guess it rin but i think its more close to just clearing the settings/login information and settings from the SDK itself (aka fresh install without reinstalling it)
Most of the things like red avatars happen because of VRC server problems not SDK problems

[vocal shard]

yes it is

ah

i assumed it because clearing cache helps around infinite loading loops

also wow

last time i popped in here was what, a month ago?

[umbral reef]

Yea- Thats why i see how you got the idea
But the SDK itself does not really store information that can fuck stuff up so far i know

[vocal shard]

man

mfw

also anyone here running a linux distro?

i was thinking of changing to linux with my new build and steamplay coming into the world

but the spreadsheet testing steam play has no entries for vrchat

[umbral reef]

Could always dualboot it to test it out for now if your build can handle that

[vocal shard]

i know it will probably suck for arch, most games do

im still in the shitty laptop for now, getting a pc ready in 2019

[umbral reef]

I also should upgrade my pc but i got no idea what i want to throw in it :notlikethis:
Also its more #general-media now

[vocal shard]

well

i was asking so i can see vrchat's compatibility with linux

as in "will it run"

i know steam vr can work with some tinkering

however preformance varies from game to game, even on the same distro

with the same specs

guess its about drivers and whatnot

[blissful current]

internet is being so trash to the point where I can't go outside of my own worlds

or basically just crash as soon as I enter a world

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard I've heard vrchat doesn't work well with Valve's Proton compatibility thing.

If it helps at all Unity 5.6.3 and the SDK work fine on Linux though.

[vocal shard]

ah

[rough pulsar]

Best way to do vrchat on linux is with KVM and pcie passthrough.

Which isn't really 'on Linux' but is close enough

[blissful current]

idk how many times the game tried loading a map and just stopped and gave up

[vocal shard]

happens to me too

i once had a map load in decimals for about two hours before ejecting me into home

Loading: 0.3
"I'll go have lunch and itll be loaded."
....

0.38

"wow."

[ruby burrow]

@blissful current Check your C drive isn't full, since that sounds like a cache problem. Especially if you can load your own worlds but not others.

See the #vrchat-support channel for the instructions on how to fix it.

[blissful current]

no

it's just my trash internet

I deleted the cache several times already

[ruby burrow]

Ouch

[manic canyon]

hi

[ruby burrow]

Hey

[vocal shard]

Does anyone known how to do this to be able to send notifications like this to people? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481119094192734209/482225414966738944/VRChat_1920x1080_2018-08-23_11-31-30.543.png

http://i63.tinypic.com/24d0x92.png

[ruby needle]

There is no official thing for that (yet)

That's sending a message via the API.

[vocal shard]

go on the website

find your friend

add /message at the end

[hard cedar]

I hit 747 hours in VRChat

https://i.imgur.com/XY220Lm.png

[meager solstice]

Congrats

[cobalt geode]

welp it seems MMD Dance World is gone again 😦

[quiet prawn]

Svel.... smh.

[ruby needle]

If world's get updated they'll be down till they are aproved again.

[vocal shard]

uh?

@quiet prawn what did i do

[quiet prawn]

Nothing of importance.

[vocal shard]

[keen mesa]

{"error":{"message":"Validation failed","data":["n=200 is much too high. implement paging you savages."],"status_code":400}}

rude

[tacit plank]

Lol, requested too much data?

[vocal shard]

new update finally

[thick escarp]

Ayyyy new update

[short ruin]

Tupper coming in clutch

[raw sequoia]

FRIEND BOOKMARKING

YEEET

[night citrus]

YaY.

[raw sequoia]

And statuses!

[winged quartz]

Oh

[distant charm]

new tupdate

[old scroll]

should i update right away

[median basalt]

Another version, still no custom animators

Whyyyy

It would be so quick and easy for the devs to do

[old scroll]

some times it makes people invisible

[vocal shard]

yes update

always update

[karmic bear]

Nice changelog. They missed "Nuked onstep runtimes"

[vocal shard]

especially since this a good update

[karmic bear]

RIP my avatar

[median basalt]

@karmic bear what is onstep runtime?

You mean the custom animators by using VR IK? That was already fixed in an emergency hotfix

Go upvote the canny about custom animators if you want custom animators back

The devs are aware it's possible now

[karmic bear]

Already done

But I have to rollback to an older version of my av to use it for now

[winged quartz]

Now I just have to wait for avatar lists

My avatars list is a bloody mess

[median basalt]

@karmic bear same

[karmic bear]

which sort of sucks

[median basalt]

Yep

The footsteps were an exploit for sure, but I just want custom animators back

[covert chasm]

@median basalt I've discussed with devs internally. It is not an easy thing to implement, as doing it would break basically our entire IK/internal animator/custom animation/etc chain. Definitely not a one-day job.

[median basalt]

@covert chasm wot?

[winged quartz]

@dense briar

Look at the update notes

[dense briar]

what the FUCK

[median basalt]

I've had this discussion before with Hackspanner. You might be aware of a recently fixed exploit that allowed users to have their own custom animators on their avatars. It didn't break anything then.

Why would it break anything now?

IK and animators are not even related

Well, barely related

The animator controller doesn't do anything with the IK

The hardest part would be the emotes

[covert chasm]

No clue, I've talked to engineers much smarter than me and the answer was "absolutely not a one-day job". Just passing the message. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic bear]

I may take a lil break for a while until this stuff becomes more stable, I am not comfortable working on cool fun things with the proviso that they're going to be patched out

[noble dirge]

Quick question, I read something about the mirror anti-aliasing being reduced to 1. Does this mean I can finally look at mirrors without my headset bursting into flames?

[vocal shard]

they bullshitted you

[clever osprey]

oh god

[median basalt]

Well IMO, your engineers don't know what they are talking about. I already had the exact same discussion with Hackspanner and I proved he was making stuff up on the spot. No offense or anything

[covert chasm]

@noble dirge It only affects the default prefab in the SDK.

[dense briar]

gimmie my beta tester levels

[median basalt]

We had ingame proof that custom animators would work

Surely the devs know that

[noble dirge]

Alright thanks for the clear up! @covert chasm

[winged quartz]

Pants newest beta tester

[vocal shard]

fucking Rokk made a working animator with a small exploit, dont tell me a professional group of devs cant implement that system in less than a week

[winged quartz]

@dense briar

[median basalt]

Lmao

[heady meteor]

@covert chasm Can i ask you something?

[dense briar]

my compensation

[median basalt]

If users could do it with a limited exploit, why can't the devs do it with their entire toolkit?

This is simply BS

[vocal shard]

I am guessing that the longer load time on avatars is due to blueprint id verification

[median basalt]

It would open so many doors for avatar creators

[brave lichen]

Installing the update ://////////

[karmic bear]

It wouldn't be so bad if the devs would just fucking own it and go "This is all going 90mph, we are riding by the seat of out pants, just give us a sec yeah?"

[brave lichen]

I hope my avatar is still there

[winged quartz]

Sometimes it takes a long time to load one or another avatars

[median basalt]

Yesterday we had to tell a guy to ditch his custom walk animations because they broke with the animator

[winged quartz]

Hope that got fixed

[karmic bear]

Don't piss on our head and tell us it's a rain particle system

[brave lichen]

@winged quartz I think thats wifi based (based on wifi)

[median basalt]

Literally the two top canny feature requests right now are custom animators

[winged quartz]

Wifi based

[brave lichen]

?

[umbral reef]

@winged quartz From session to session or avatar to avatar?
If its the second big odds its just the avatar file size- Aka lots of materials- High detailed materials and so on (Or lost of animations)

[winged quartz]

It's like, pretty rare Oclac

Most avatars take the normal time

Around 5 to 10 seconds

Some take like, 10 minutes

[small wing]

mine take 2 years 😃

[brave lichen]

That happens with me too

[umbral reef]

Thats an bit extreme 🤔
No idea if its that long- Can be its your internet messing up or vrc servers failing to give you stuff or who knows

[small wing]

pbr 2k normals and albedos

takes forever

[winged quartz]

It is that long

[brave lichen]

It takes 5 - 10 minutes to load some avatars

[winged quartz]

And it's pretty rare to happen

[brave lichen]

yeah

[median basalt]

Isn't the longer avatar load times just because they load a little more in the background now?

[winged quartz]

Some avatars that everybody load in seconds take ages

[brave lichen]

it happens like once a day to me

[median basalt]

Maybe there's more verification involved, that is a good thing if that's true

I can deal with the longer load times tbh

[vocal shard]

same

[winged quartz]

Well... Waiting 30 minutes for an avatar to load is quite the wait

[vocal shard]

especially if it doesnt fucking reset every animation

[median basalt]

30 min waiting times definitely don't seem intended

[vocal shard]

also still no fix for the gestures getting stuck when you sit down

[median basalt]

Lel

[vocal shard]

been more than a year since this bug exist

[median basalt]

Animator.rebind

I guess rebind is a bit of an issue on shape keys and object activations

[rose timber]

@median basalt hi there, i don't normally talk in here, but you are so annoyingly vocal, i will say something: implementing a user-customizable humanoid animation will not be simple: We are integrating the animations with IK, how do you propose an arbitrary blend graph or state machine will know how to blend properly with the IK? Is your current animation taking over the whole system or just animating the hands, or just the feet? The current system of overriding the single-frame hand pose to do custom animations outside of the hands -- is fun -- but a hack, do not expect it to be exapanded upon, but rather fixed and replaced with a better system. Our current system of overriding specific animations for specific parts of the blend tree allows some flexibility while still allowing the IK system to know whats going on.

[median basalt]

@rose timber how do I propose users implement that? Simple: use the example controller in the SDK.

Add two avatar masks for the gestures and you're done

I'm not even talking about gestures specifically here

[rose timber]

you are so wrong, i am shaking....

[median basalt]

Surely you didn't miss the memo: there was an exploit that allowed users to do this already.

There was nothing wrong with the IK or the blend trees at all.

[covert chasm]

I'll note that things on the Canny in Feature Requests are exactly that-- Feature Requests. They aren't roadmap markers, they aren't "feature demands". We do get lots of good ideas from them, but they are not a guarantee that any given request will be implemented.

[median basalt]

The example controller in the SDK already contains all the necessary blend trees, it just misses the avatar masks which we'd have to recreate

[rose timber]

i'm still shaking...

[covert chasm]

Please don't kill our engineers Rokk 😃

[median basalt]

It's called AvatarControllerTemplate

[rose timber]

still shaking...

[median basalt]

Sorry, but I could deal with an answer like "we don't wanna do it"

But "it's not possible" simply isn't true because I've personally made it work

No longer possible now (for good reason)

[fringe glade]

Avatar stealing not working anymore, GOOD JOB VRCHAT THANKS A L O T

Time to go into public again

I love ya

[vocal shard]

for now until they find a new exploit

[median basalt]

Okay, so the deal is

[vocal shard]

but pretty safe for a good time

[median basalt]

The example AvatarControllerTemplate controller in the SDK right now

It already includes all necessary structure to make the animator work ingame

It just doesn't include the animations, they're all placeholders.

We can fix that ourselves, easily.

[fringe glade]

Will be hard to find a new one tho but y e a h pogger

[median basalt]

But the devs have gotta give us the tools.

[winged quartz]

Well... Crashers are still all over the place, aren't them

[karmic bear]

Oh god. I missed the hackspanner wall o text

[median basalt]

We already proved that it's possible, because a large portion of the community was already walking around with custom animators.

[karmic bear]

I spent like 5 minutes watching him type waiting for the wallotext and then I went to get a beer and I missed it

[median basalt]

And this isn't just about gestures, or your nebulous plans to replace the gesture system within the next three years.

[median basalt]

Very mature.

[covert chasm]

you've done it, you murdered him

[median basalt]

Cool professionalism from the VRC devs as always

[rose timber]

no longer shaking...

[winged quartz]

I'm hiding

[fringe glade]

@winged quartz most of the crasher were avatar stealed lul

[winged quartz]

Yes indeed

[fringe glade]

Ppl don't randomly crash usually, except lil kids who got some.

Well it's amazing

[winged quartz]

But the crashing is still a thing

Unless they did something that prevented it... what'd be pretty nice

[fringe glade]

Well, the particles limiter fixe some of them

[umbral reef]

I dont see where you guys got the "Peeps cant nick stuff" anymore 👀 Am i blind or...?

[winged quartz]

only one type of crash

people can crash you with multiple ways

[rough pulsar]

“Security Fixes”

[median basalt]

So I'm guessing we are never getting custom animators because one dev is childishly stubborn?

[karmic bear]

Hack you wrote a whole lot there to say "we can't do this"

[covert chasm]

The short answer is that even if it is possible to implement properly, it is by no means an easy thing to properly develop, integrate, test, and QA, nor would it be quick. The previous bug was a side effect of a pretty big security hole, and does not represent a proper implementation in any way, shape, or form. It is definitely a "nice to have some day", but there simply doesn't exist time for it at the moment.

I'll also reiterate that "Feature Requests" are Requests. 😃

[median basalt]

Hackspanner is demonstrably wrong

[fringe glade]

The other one is the mesh / shader but well.. except blacklisting some stuff they can't really do heck

[median basalt]

@covert chasm I'm not saying it would be done within 30 minutes, but it would be relatively quick compared to a lot of other feature requests.

[winged quartz]

Yes... but for us to blacklist anything, we need to change our game... what's against the rules

[covert chasm]

Right, but you have stated that it is a one-day implementation, which it certainly is not.

[karmic bear]

Custom Animators for creatives -------------- i sleep

The Camera ------------------------------------ REAL SHIT

[median basalt]

Yeah, I was wrong about that. The coding would take half a day, but everything else would have to be added on top of that.

[covert chasm]

I'm no project/product manager but my guess would be about 3 weeks and ~3 engineers, along with QA, design, and prod...

I tend to overplan, though 😃

[median basalt]

Also can I just say that it's very unprofessional for staff to be acting like this in public lmao

Not talking about you, Tupper

[vocal shard]

hack was always acting like that, nothing new here

not the first time he wasnt professional

[fringe glade]

Will we ever have a way to have both hands with diff gestures ? Like, having 16 gestures instead of 8 ? It was possible some months ago but splitting armature does not work again oof

[covert chasm]

Hey, if you irritate someone, then they're free to block or etc ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median basalt]

Sure, but

He engaged this with me

I proved him wrong

He blocks me

That's fair, but I have the right to think that's a bit weird.

[vocal shard]

and why did he get blocked ? because he suggested stuff ? because he said something that was completely true?

[inner cape]

I'm still shaking from what I've read

[median basalt]

It's because I proved his arguments wrong. That's all.

I'm literally shaking from the prospect of avatar makers actually being thrown a bone.

[covert chasm]

I wouldn't say you proved him wrong. Words don't mean much when you've not got access to VRChat source. You honestly have no way to prove what is correct.

[median basalt]

I feel like the vision of the devs is to have everyone run around in the Public standard avatars like Nikei and look at the cool worlds made with Udon

But I do

The devs are already aware that players were doing this on a pretty large scale using an exploit

This exploit had to be fixed, and it was

[opaque remnant]

an exploit is just that, not a proper implementation

[covert chasm]

^

[median basalt]

If anything hackspanner said was true, then custom animators injected through that exploit would all be broken.

They were fine

I know my way around Unity myself

[modern sand]

They were so fine that they had to be patched 🤔

[distant charm]

[median basalt]

They weren't patched because they gave you animators

It was patched because they also allowed you to do a lot of malicious stuff

[modern sand]

If you don't want to believe hackspanner, that's your call

[inner cape]

[median basalt]

If VR IK only allowed you to use custom animators, I don't think the devs would have patched it at all. It was patched because it allowed you to unparent objects from your avatar, to name one thing.

People were spawning triggers into the world using VR IK

[cold talon]

pretty sure custom animators wont allow for any malicious usage 🤔

[median basalt]

Custom animators already exist on generics

We just want them on humanoids, is all. It's VRChat after all.

Generics don't work well in VR

[indigo fern]

I'm literally shaking right now

[rose timber]

I suspect none of the questions I asked in my explanation were answered in any of these blocked messages on my screen.

[median basalt]

Keep telling yourself that.

[cold talon]

lul

[golden bluff]

Maybe instead of making user customizable animation controllers how about just revamp the original one with split gestures

That would be easier

[remote isle]

http://prntscr.com/km5fh1

[plain ridge]

General is always interesting to see on update days.

[covert chasm]

Potentially! I believe there's a Canny post for that @golden bluff

[cold talon]

actually that would be harder I think need to remake the whole animator

[rose timber]

@golden bluff Sure that's a short term solution, but in the end it's probably better to revamp the whole system.

[cold talon]

if you gave the ability for custom ones the community would make and share there own

[golden bluff]

Yeah

[inner cape]

@remote isle the dev we all deserve

[median basalt]

Custom animators aren't just for gestures though

Also, giving us split gestures is harder than giving us custom animators.

[modern sand]

Every time someone says "easy" the world shakes more and more

[remote isle]

Yo did ya'll nibbas throw that Private avatar fix in that you had in the beta

[median basalt]

Because with custom animators, all the work is offloaded to the user.

[cold talon]

easy

[median basalt]

Not the devs

[indigo fern]

No not Tupper

[remote isle]

need to know if I can actually upload my models now

x d

[cold talon]

[vocal shard]

Why dont we all eat ass in peace

[inner cape]

Just implement it

It's easy

[vocal shard]

i just want my antisteal

[umbral reef]

Ruuubicks can we start an earthquake 🤔

[median basalt]

I'm sick and tired of the flimsy excuses that the devs bring every time we ask for animators

[vocal shard]

hello, I can't update my models yet

[heady meteor]

This update is good 😃

[vocal shard]

help?

[median basalt]

Mostly hackspanner

[vocal shard]

I have 40h ingame

???

[cold talon]

god damet do my taxes plz

[vocal shard]

48

[plain ridge]

Playmore

[inner cape]

Oh no

[vocal shard]

you need 48

@median basalt new objectif for you, get blocked by every dev for speaking out

[inner cape]

[remote isle]

Yo i asked a fucking question

[opaque remnant]

add more people, don't get blocked/muted

[remote isle]

Did yall

implement

the avatar theft fix

from

the

beta

answer

[cold talon]

ok lets go back to the original subject we are getting off-track

[placid umbra]

There's no set number for content gating.

[vocal shard]

IF I DONT SEE AN ANTIYOINKING THIS UPDATE IM GONNA PLAY DESPACITO SUPER LOUD IN EVERY LOBBY I JOIN

@remote isle hey

[modern sand]

Please stop spamming, thanks

[vocal shard]

THATS IT BUDDY

[indigo fern]

Can you not do that?

[vocal shard]

check the canny

for that question

[remote isle]

please answer

thanks

[inner cape]

Holy shit

[remote isle]

Like we sent you the fucking code

[heady meteor]

@modern sand heyo

[median basalt]

@vocal shard pretty sure most of the devs are nice and normal people that don't attack their users and then block them.

[remote isle]

so it better be in there

[inner cape]

This chat is so fast no one will notice I'm gay

[median basalt]

So that record will be hard to get.

[vocal shard]

I didn't get an answer? how do I upload my avatar, I spent about 300 bucks to have it done

[cold talon]

dont ping reee

[vocal shard]

Please don´t rip my Animations

[fresh valley]

I’m so confused on what’s going on

[vocal shard]

@median basalt sorry m8, <you are annoying now, i'm blocking you

[heady meteor]

@modern sand I got a question to ask you

[vocal shard]

dont be so vocal

[old scroll]

@vocal shard get unity

[indigo fern]

Can we make a canny so Tupper has to cosplay Cirno?

[polar elm]

New patch yay!

[placid umbra]

Spend more time in VRChat and follow Community Guidelines, you'll get it.

[old scroll]

i love how nobody on my friends has updated yet

;-;

[vocal shard]

I obviously have unity :(

[cold talon]

Sleepy we were telling the mods how helpful custom animators would be

[remote isle]

Hit send tupper

jesus

[fresh valley]

Ohh

[covert chasm]

.

[modern sand]

@heady meteor Can you ask the question instead of pinging me please

[tulip grail]

Hey, since apparently i need to download a new SDK because of the update, do i need to delete the old one?

[median basalt]

We were arguing in favor of custom animators and a dev blocked me lol

[remote isle]

Does that . signify you did

I'd enjoy it if you did

so i can play the game

[vocal shard]

@ Ruuubick

jk

[indigo fern]

Gottem

[vocal shard]

pls no hate

[remote isle]

ty

[somber rapids]

Ah

[vocal shard]

i just want to play in peace

@tulip grail close unity
delete thr vrcsdk folder
open unity
install the new sdk

[heady meteor]

Can i apply for helping out

[vocal shard]

I'm eating popcorn watching all this.

[indigo fern]

Can I have some?

[plain ridge]

Application accepted. Help out in chat.

[cold talon]

this argument si going downhill

[tulip grail]

K, Tanks

[fresh valley]

I’m just gonna go.. eat

[vocal shard]

and enjoy my public world showoff like i used to be
I make animations for others, to make them happy you know

All this yoinking, i really hope it´s already in

[fresh valley]

Rip

[indigo fern]

Just a small please 🍿

[inner cape]

Bring intros back and call it #Intros 2

[vocal shard]

OMG Bone

xD

[modern sand]

@heady meteor Sure, send your resume and cover letter to our [e-mail] email

[indigo fern]

Bone for your bone I see 🤔

[old scroll]

this is why I wanted to wait on updating

[heady meteor]

Okay can i get the link for it

[vocal shard]

but guys

@vocal shard imma yoink your ass

[old scroll]

because now everyone on my friends list is invisible

[vocal shard]

Pls dont rip my Animations

[modern sand]

Can you get the link for an email i just gave you ?@heady meteor

[inner cape]

[cold talon]

@vocal shard ok im comming to rip em

[old scroll]

Please dont rip mine either

[vocal shard]

Its okay if its you @vocal shard-kun

[inner cape]

Link him the tutorial how to apply to be a mod

[cold talon]

2 l8

[inner cape]

He deserves it

[remote isle]

If I don't see this antitheft in the code

I'm gonna mong out

[ruby burrow]

Whut?

[indigo fern]

VR only, sorry

[old scroll]

tf is aan erp

[inner cape]

[indigo fern]

I don't make the rules

[vocal shard]

no rips pls

[ruby burrow]

Question disappear. :v

[somber rapids]

Bonesaw

[indigo fern]

Also, bone got the hard ban

?

[remote isle]

yuh

[indigo fern]

Ripperoni

[raven girder]

Bonesaw nooooooo

[plain ridge]

Pour one out for the fallen homie

[remote isle]

I seen Noe getting bent over in a public once

[waxen whale]

Hmm

hello there?

[modern sand]

Back to #general-media

[indigo fern]

Now who's gonna rip animations make silly jokes

[remote isle]

gotta allow it if a mod candidate can do it

:^)

[somber rapids]

RIP strimmer Bonesaw

[vocal shard]

rip bonesaw

[inner cape]

[heady meteor]

Where at Ruu i don't see it

[indigo fern]

Aye aye cap'n Ruuubick

[vocal shard]

I just want to see cute anime girls in my good avatars and show them animations to drop their panties

[waxen whale]

but I want to talk about new feature just added on vrc

[modern sand]

@idle beacon I'm giving you 10 seconds

[remote isle]

10

[modern sand]

thanks

[vocal shard]

[median basalt]

Lmao

[remote isle]

oop

[plain ridge]

Dustman there’s not some form or anything to fill out. It’s a big boy resume and cover letter you send to the email he posted.

[remote isle]

clean

[indigo fern]

🏃

[vocal shard]

[inner cape]

Damn

[waxen whale]

Have you tested group features in vrc?

[inner cape]

[median basalt]

"Our users want custom animators, clearly the solution is to shout at them and then block them"

[opaque remnant]

and people wonder why devs don't engage with their communities

[median basalt]

"This is professionalism right?"

Don't forget to make up reasons why custom animators can't hapepn

[remote isle]

Particles Fired

[median basalt]

Very important as a dev

[remote isle]

God damn

[waxen whale]

It it quite cool, but offline users are bothering a little bit.

[umbral reef]

Its insane how when random peeps join chat is just toxic
But when the regulars or peeps who show up from time to time are here on an announcement day its so much worse then normal

[median basalt]

Your job isn't to develop the game, it's to rabidly protest the prospect of any new features being added.

[inner cape]

[quiet prawn]

Rokk you really need to calm down.

[waxen whale]

need sorting I think. but, okay.

[vocal shard]

also to be more related to vrchat, if you have the old particle limiter, you need to remove it, rename it and place it at the new spot or you wont be able to launch vrchat

[median basalt]

@quiet prawn I don't take very well to people spreading falsehoods despite being proven wrong.

[umbral reef]

And rokk- You know this is FAR from the way to get it implemented any sooner

[inner cape]

It's time for revolution. Make vrchat great again! Rokk for president!

[night citrus]

Woah.

[ruby burrow]

Oclac is correct.

[opaque remnant]

@vocal shard mine seemed to move into the new config on its own

[median basalt]

@umbral reef the nice way clearly isn't working. I've tried being nice about it for the past 3 months

[pallid vapor]

Awesome patch notes :D

[idle beacon]

"Oh dear, our community requests a very easy feature that has zero backlash possibilities. Better yell at them and tell them bullshit, even if the one who's talking to me has proof that it works in game, oof he has too much proof, better block him."

[vocal shard]

@opaque remnant yeah same butz for some people it didnt

[median basalt]

I was being nice about it until hackspanner blocked me

[waxen whale]

No devs on here? 😢

[idle beacon]

Glad we can count on you bois.

[median basalt]

Bowing out of the chat is one thing, blocking people who disagree with you is another. I wasn't even pinging or DM'ing them.

[umbral reef]

And you ever seen anything get done by insulting staff- (And for the rest of the squad shitposting)?

[median basalt]

I'm not trying to get anything done, I just need to vent about this gross display of unprofessionalism.

I never insulted hackspanner either yeah

Disproving an argument is not insulting

[opaque remnant]

isn't that what the canny is for?

[median basalt]

The canny already exists and has 160+ upvotes

Within like a week

[idle beacon]

Oh right, the Canny.

[vocal shard]

the canny is for suggesting stuff

nothing else

[heady meteor]

Ruu where did you send it to

[umbral reef]

Others have though- Dont blame you for that but its still legit hate and nothing else currently towards most of the devs/admins

[idle beacon]

The 160 upvoted one, lul.

[median basalt]

But don't worry guys, they're replacing the animation system with a better system in 3 years!!!

[vocal shard]

they wont auto implement everything upvoted on the canny

[median basalt]

The custom animators aren't even about gestures

I mean

It's not just about gestures

[inner cape]

Canny is full of desktoppers wanting more interactions

[median basalt]

Even if we get better gestures, we still can't make properly working walk cycles.

[inner cape]

No offense

[median basalt]

We need custom animators for so many reasons.

[cold talon]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/custom-animator-controllers-on-humanoid-avatars
here it is if anyone is interested

[remote isle]

Yuh

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone And is the canny an roadmap or lawbook voting "We get this" page?
Its an suggestion page- Most devs have something better to do then judge about idea's daily and look at half worked out idea's or suggestions

[remote isle]

I had a canny with over 400 ups

no respnse

big xd

thats like a 10th of your playerbase

[indigo fern]

I'm back from #general-media
It was quiet in there

[remote isle]

lul

[umbral reef]

Man if they had to talk about or write an reply on all semi proper canny posts it would cost a day bi-weekly almost

[crisp moth]

Lol

[vocal shard]

hackspanner said that the left/right hand separated can be added much faster but it's better to rework the whole thing
i agree with that but add that left/right hand separated at least until it's reworked

[remote isle]

not for a 400 up canny

[placid umbra]

Huh? Canny has been getting updates and responses frequently lately.

[waxen whale]

desktoppers? Is that a expression of person doesn't play vrc with vr in english culture?

[remote isle]

bud i'll link it

xd

[median basalt]

@placid umbra to bug reports yeah, which I am very happy about

[umbral reef]

@placid umbra If not everything gets an reply its not good enough 🤷
So far i noticed you guys only reply to properly worked out stuff or easy to explain/judge things

[waxen whale]

I was just wonder about it. cuz my native lang is not English

[quiet prawn]

hums the spanish flea

[umbral reef]

And i think that isnt odd

[median basalt]

But this seems to mostly be in cooperation with a small amount of testers like Cyan and PhaxeNor, not necessarily the Canny in general

[remote isle]

even our god error.mdl

supported it

and ya'll ride his pp

[median basalt]

I'm glad Tupper could bring up the custom animator thing, but I'm sad to see hackspanner spreading misinformation and effectively killing the feature.

[inner cape]

[cold talon]

[vocal shard]

@waxen whale desktopper is people that only play on the desktop version of vrchat, they dont have VR

[modern sand]

Next time, you'll know not to start with "it should be super easy to do" when you suggest something

[median basalt]

@modern sand if it took me 30 minutes, how long could it take the devs? That's all I'm saying.

[umbral reef]

Rokk- Bruh
They never said they would not go for the option or something alike
All they said is that it takes more work then you claim it to be and that because of the timespan they wont implement it 'right away' like you almost force them to do

[median basalt]

The devs have a lot more tools than I do

[idle beacon]

@modern sand It is, tho.

[ruby burrow]

If Tupper played on desktop, would he be a Desktupper? '-'

[median basalt]

@umbral reef they said that three months ago

[remote isle]

I mean nobody started anything with its super easy to do

[inner cape]

Lmoa

[heady meteor]

Ruu can you send it in a DM

[inner cape]

Fun times

[karmic bear]

For those of you joining late: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482255803286552576/482262594774892544/hckspnnr.png

[remote isle]

like the theft prevension code we sent you.

[median basalt]

It's not like they're gonna start working on it right now and finish it within the weeks

[remote isle]

COUGH

COUGH

[umbral reef]

Again- Rokk you know what internal jobs they have to do first?

[median basalt]

LMAO

[umbral reef]

What projects are life with the amount of devs they currently got?

[remote isle]

glad ya'll finally used it

but your players shouldn't have to send you a fix

[waxen whale]

@vocal shard There exist similar expression on South Korean vrc users. It could refer as "차렷충|(prononciate with char-raout-chung)".

[remote isle]

especially when copycat sent it to you 6 months ago

[median basalt]

@umbral reef that's not the case, though. They didn't say "we don't have time for custom animators right now". They said "this isn't possible without reworking the entire IK system etc etc."

[remote isle]

x

d

[waxen whale]

thanks for answer, anyways.

[idle beacon]

@karmic bear bless

[thorny halo]

yikes

[golden bluff]

🍿

[karmic bear]

The more things change the more they stay the same

[umbral reef]

They never said that-
They said it would need work to do that- Not totally revamp and rebuild it all

[inner cape]

[quiet prawn]

For it to be an officially supported feature of course it would require a rework. Wonky hacky fixes don't cut it ever.

[median basalt]

In concept, it's fairly easy though.

[remote isle]

I mean the skiddies are fixing the game

just not the public skiddies

lol

[inner cape]

Just add it 4Head - Rokk 2018

[median basalt]

In the SDK, add another dropdown option that allows you to submit your own Animator Controller.

On avatar load, load the provided Animator Controller instead of the game's default.

That's literally it.

[placid umbra]

This has played out and we're not getting anywhere, It'd be best if you'd stop derailing chat. You're clearly passionate and that's great, but this kind of venting isn't productive in the slightest.

[median basalt]

The devs don't seem to recognize their own SDK, they have had their own official animator in the files for months

[remote isle]

Nah they only fixed it because Devs we're actually getting yeeted and logged out from lobbies

[umbral reef]

In concept it can be easy
If they want to make it a stable- non abusable thing (like it was, you stated that yourself) it might take like 4 days of work
Combine that with having to logg stuff- Make sure it works right- Maybe a bug here or there to fix with thing they work together and its a lot of work in the end.
That is what they where trying to explain, atleast that is how i understood it from them

[median basalt]

Someone showed the VR IK exploit directly to a dev and that prompted them to fix it I think

[idle beacon]

Venting? Have you seen how he is being treated by your fellow teammember?

[remote isle]

yes

thats what happened

[median basalt]

@umbral reef animators weren't abusable.

[distant charm]

There have been a number of people with proposed "fixes" to many of VRC's problems, but a majority of them tend to cause more problems than fixing them.

[median basalt]

The method used to inject animators was.

[remote isle]

because you could literally pull somebodies entire hardrive data

lol

[median basalt]

We have animators on generic rigs right now, in fact.

[median basalt]

I was referring to my outburst earlier

[remote isle]

you got a vent chat?

[median basalt]

I'm still advocating for custom animators

Don't take me out of context pls

[inner cape]

[remote isle]

where I can shit talk the unprofessional response to people fixing your game for you

[umbral oracle]

I think the devs are concerned not just with the present but the future. Also custom animators doesn't necessarily solve syncing for late joiners

[remote isle]

and sending you the code

and having it ignored

[median basalt]

@umbral oracle it wouldn't sync, but that doesn't matter

[placid umbra]

Right, and doing so in this chat isn't getting anywhere while also killing any discussion about what actually updated.

[remote isle]

until you were forced to view it

[umbral reef]

Welp then i understood what you wrote earlier about that wrong rokk- Thought they where the same from the quick glance i had

[indigo fern]

:PapaBlessButIDontHaveNitro:

[median basalt]

@placid umbra fair enough, I'll stop now. No more use for me to keep talking

[inner cape]

Whatever the reasoning and whoever is right, spanners reaction was still inappropriate for his position

[karmic bear]

With all due respect @placid umbra it was Hackspanner who decided to bare his ass at the chat when Tupper was at least doing an OK job of talking to people and commuting information. If certain team members have a thinner skin than others maybe they should let the community guy do their job instead of throwing a minor tantrum in the spotlight.

[somber rapids]

Annoyingly vocal

[inner cape]

Moving on, how's the weather everyone?

[indigo fern]

But anyway, friends groups, now you can save your clique into an easy to see thingy 👀

[ruby needle]

And the loading hitch fix

[indigo fern]

And don't get me started on the, not gonna hitch anymore fix

Paul gets it

[remote isle]

#firehackspanner

[umbral oracle]

Are the friends groups public? Like if I name one losers will anyone find out?

[vocal shard]

the fact that animation doesnt reset when somebody load in and switch avatar is soooooo good

[granite coral]

so, a dev said that custom animators can't be done for now, yet there were a ton of people already doing it and having it working when you could swap animator with final ik... that's the only thing i will say, don't really want to start anything, just bringing a fact

[ruby needle]

N8

[opaque remnant]

i can finally add a "people i met once and probably won't ever see again" group

[median basalt]

Tupper is pretty damn good at his job as a community manager I have to say. Hackspanner was being incredibly unprofessional IMO

[placid umbra]

I would err on the side of caution with friend group names

[ruby needle]

only 30 slots per group for now tho so you better group everyone that is not a one time met

[opaque remnant]

i was joking, since there's not enough room in there for all of them

[karmic bear]

@brisk bone Old habits die hard

[inner cape]

People being in red mode 24/7 and erping in void clubs, here we go

[vocal shard]

Tupper is BAE

hi @granite coral

[umbral oracle]

The devs don't want to make an official feature, have people use it and then break all those avatars in a few months when they redo the Ik system

[indigo fern]

Tupper is literally dad

[inner cape]

Now we can identify such users just by monitoring their status

[glossy wharf]

@inner cape I'm sure they are happy to be removed by you c:

[granite coral]

hi @vocal shard

[sly drift]

🤔

[vocal shard]

fucking xigneon

[cold talon]

wonder what was the reasoning behind the max 30 in a list 🤔

[inner cape]

[umbral oracle]

Uh oh

[remote isle]

hackspanner is typiung

xd

here we go

I apologize.

[indigo fern]

:ThonkButTooPoorForNitro:

[remote isle]

xd

[inner cape]

[cold talon]

not saying its bad but

[karmic bear]

Hackspanner is typing...

[cold talon]

curios you know

[karmic bear]

run

[rose timber]

@granite coral Sorry you are also wrong, final ik will not work in all cases with the SimpleAnimatorController. It probably looks good in desktop but certain ik interactions will break it.

[indigo fern]

Can we name the friends groups?

[placid umbra]

Should be 32 per group

[ruby needle]

yes @indigo fern

[inner cape]

nigerindayoo

[glossy wharf]

Yes you can rename them by clickin on their name in your friends tab

[remote isle]

oh boy

[indigo fern]

Oh my

[remote isle]

prepare for a proper response you from someone who knows something

[placid umbra]

Yes, you can name them by clicking on the titles after you've made the group.

[somber rapids]

Yare yare...

[cold talon]

2 spare slots

[golden bluff]

30 is enough for each group and the sql database would get kind of messy if there were more allowed

[median basalt]

@umbral oracle the IK system is literally unrelated to animators though

[glossy wharf]

@golden bluff That doesnt make any sense.

[indigo fern]

Lemme separate the "real traps" from "might be traps"

[golden bluff]

It's a nice limit

[granite coral]

ehm, not really, i used it almost exclusively in vr until final ik got fixed, never a problem, and got a really easy to setup inventory thanks to it

[median basalt]

So, there is one way in which IK and animators are linked.

[inner cape]

Where do I go, n8?

[remote isle]

Imagine not knowing enough about photon and unity when you're a developer

[inner cape]

[remote isle]

big

x

d

[median basalt]

The IK system sends your current head height to the animator controller, so you can properly crouch and go prone.

[indigo fern]

You go into the trash

[median basalt]

As a parameter

[indigo fern]

[median basalt]

Which we, as users, can interpret and make work

[umbral oracle]

Parameters make sense and would be really useful

[median basalt]

Imagine not knowing anything about Final IK, the IK system you use as a central point of your VR game

[inner cape]

Oh...

[umbral oracle]

I think the thing for me would be ability to set params to a different animation controller even if your main controller is locked

[granite coral]

obviously you have at least know what you're doing, but is not as bad as is framed, and what me and a lot of people made during the time it was possible was a clear demonstration of that

[umbral oracle]

Then I could make puppets with hand gestures that do different things

[inner cape]

O-okay n8

[indigo fern]

Gomenasorry

[wary karma]

hey guys what'd I miss

[ruby burrow]

Anyone got any good videos of it in action? If you can dig up that old stuff?

[inner cape]

What's ligma

[karmic bear]

GHOSTO NO

[cold talon]

sugma*

[somber rapids]

What’s sugondese

[cold talon]

phew corrected you just in time

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

sugndese nuts lmao

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

also

[inner cape]

Professional chat killer here. Please stand by.

[warped urchin]

nah im the one

[near saffron]

what groups people setting up for their friends list,need ideas

[inner cape]

Yamestop

[vocal shard]

@near saffron 1. Normal people
2. degenerate
3. unknown, might delete later

yeah, the shitfeast was fun for a time

chat got lively for once

[opaque remnant]

i'll add people that i actually join on to a group

[inner cape]

Just, don't use the feature and be a nice person

[thorny halo]

🍿

[inner cape]

Or is it not cool to be nice in 2018

[cold talon]

but a question to the dev team, if they were to be implemented witch one would be more likely to be added, custom animators, or rework the original for hand separation?

[vocal shard]

rework the original so you only do 1 job

[inner cape]

Just rework it, should be easy

[karmic bear]

People get feisty because they care @brisk bone

[median basalt]

@granite coral you barely even have to know what you're doing. When the IK exploit was still around, I gave out a package to a few friends that allowed them to edit their controller themselves.

[cold talon]

ghost sit down

[indigo fern]

Yamestop kudaplease

[median basalt]

The average user only needs to know "download this package, use this controller, fix my walk animations"

[inner cape]

[median basalt]

Or separate gestures or whatever they want

[near saffron]

yeah probably have a degenerate group

[floral aspen]

I see general is a shit show on announcement day as usual

[median basalt]

Some degenerate workshop of people lmao @near saffron

Perhaps a group of people that have lost 50% of their purpose with the removal of animator exploits

[inner cape]

You're god damn right pre alpha boi

[near saffron]

👌

[plain ridge]

General gets bad because some people don’t get the update or lose an exploit and throw a fit over it. 👌

[glossy wharf]

It is on the canny.

[warped urchin]

i just see people complaining lol if you guys know what you're doing so much maybe you should make your own game and get people in it

[karmic bear]

UPDATE: YOU CAN NOW MAKE YOUR CAR ANY COLOR YOU WANT!
People: But you took away the gearbox? wtf are we supposed to do?
••• hackspanner is typing...

[thorny halo]

lol

[inner cape]

[cold talon]

[granite coral]

@median basalt depends on what you actually end up doing with it, like, for making an entire menu with shit, you have to know how avatar masks work and how to make custom masks based on the hierarchy, and stuff like that, but actually i never tried to do something simpler so i'll take your word for that

[glossy wharf]

General gets bad because people actually suggest features and even go as far to provide sample code and it gets ignored for things like a status message that got suggested by a streamer who sent his community to mass upvote.

[inner cape]

Legend

[glossy wharf]

I understand that people get upset.

And especially when a Team member gives an unprofessional answer like "blocked" in a screenshot.

It still doesn't mean people have to derail the chat though.

[indigo fern]

I once made a bingo card for update times, they'd get filled out pretty easy though

[inner cape]

gun shot this is VRChat

[cold talon]

ho shet thats a great idea

[floral aspen]

if you made that bingo card into a drinking game you'd die lol

[indigo fern]

Also, I haven't seen the obligatory, "the game is dying" comment yet

[safe yacht]

Anyone else having problems seeing people?

[glossy wharf]

game is dying btw

[thorny halo]

the game is dying

[cold talon]

we need a big streamer to send his comunity to upvote our canny

[indigo fern]

Thanks buddies

[rose timber]

hey i'll talk in #general-media for a bit about why custom animators aren't easy, i promise not to block.

[cold talon]

[somber rapids]

Dead game btw

[inner cape]

The game is shaking like spanner rn

[vocal shard]

we dont need new IK rework, the game is dead anyway

[plain ridge]

You won’t see people that haven’t updated yet

[vocal shard]

there

[placid umbra]

For the record and as mentioned on the post, Status was already being worked on before the Canny post was made about it

[ruby needle]

@safe yacht there was a patch. if you are not on the same versions then that happens

[floral aspen]

off to #general-media then. I wanna see this

[glossy wharf]

And how come a Status Message was on top of a priority list in a game with so many issues? @placid umbra

[safe yacht]

Hm must’ve been vey recent but Ill try reloading

[warped urchin]

i hope you guys know that issues are hard to pin point features are worked on all the time.

[heady lynx]

anyone got a screenshot of the new hub they can send me?

[glossy wharf]

This is literally why you guys actually need to finally make a roadmap.

[ruby burrow]

Status is simple and useful.

[warped urchin]

Like really you guys are taking shit for granted

[heady lynx]

im curious about what it looks like but i cant get on vrchat right now

[warped urchin]

and they no doubt have a internal roadmap

[ruby burrow]

It's a pain to be in a private avatar testing, whilst working on avatars, and getting three dozen invites from confused friends.

[glossy wharf]

Communication is key, especially in a small community of a VR social game, and you guys are lacking, the update videos are not coming bi-weekly as promised and you guys didnt release an update for 2 months, without any communication.

[median basalt]

@granite coral yeah, I know. I spent a lot of time on animators

[glossy wharf]

If we had a roadmap we could at least see things "change" or things being "worked on"

[median basalt]

Avatar masks aren't necessarily needed if you tailor all your animations to one particular model

Well they still might be for hand gestures so you don't sink into the ground

But avatar masks are easy peasy

[ruby burrow]

Some people are shy, if they send an invite request and don't get an answer, they might not try again in future. For that I'm glad that "busy" is a feature now.

[heady lynx]

also mods you got rid of the "bug" that allows avatars to have chairs that other users can sit in.

[glossy wharf]

imo you guys should really get your communication game sorted out, it would solve a lot of the problems that come up simply because of missing communication, and leaving the community in a community driven game in the dark for 2 months is just plain stupid.

[vocal shard]

get in #general-media rokk

[cold talon]

so hackspanner is ready to show us why its hard to implement in #general-media

[placid umbra]

Logging on and seeing all of your friends in private instances wasn't fun, status really helps people communicate what they're doing

[cold talon]

[glossy wharf]

How does that

change anything

[warped urchin]

Aev i guess this is probably a good time to consider a trello

in tandom with the canny

[glossy wharf]

You do honestly believe people will use the status messages as a way to communicate why they are in a private world?

People will probably use the featurea bit for shitposting or some statuses and then forget about it, simply because its such an unnecessary feature

[turbid agate]

"Status: Lewding virtual lolis in full body"

[inner cape]

Not just any world

[umbral reef]

@turbid agate Im calling the cops

[glossy wharf]

And this is exactly why a trello is absolutely necessary for you guys.

[turbid agate]

[distant charm]

A "Do not disturb" feature has been largely requested for a while. I think the status feature will help out a lot

[glossy wharf]

The status has nothing to do with do not disturb

that could have been implemented as a separate feature

[ruby burrow]

@glossy wharf I will certainly be using it. I already gave my reason.

[inner cape]

It's more like in discord, you don't know why they are in such mode, but for ex. In red mode we will know that they won't receive invites

[heady lynx]

so is status really the only thing they added to the game other than the new hub, which nobody uses?

[glossy wharf]

Exactly, the change of your invite status makes sense, but the message is unnecessary.

[umbral reef]

And then you have people like me who are /always/ in red mode

[glossy wharf]

And that wasnt the point of what i was saying.

[ruby burrow]

It's a good feature, and a relatively simple one too. It's hardly in major competition to any other more complex features.

[glossy wharf]

The issue is, your communication is massively lacking.

You guys are a game based on social interaction and mostly community content.

[heady lynx]

sings

[glossy wharf]

So dont you think it would only be fair to notify said community of changes ahead of time

[heady lynx]

do you mean communication among players or communications among devs and players?

[glossy wharf]

It is not hard to implement a public roadmap, it isnt hard to get people actually working on the canny and sort things out.

[umbral reef]

Sings- Having a trelle full of "Being worked on" also does not change a lot
That is kind of the current state of the canny...
Atleast the bug report part

[placid umbra]

For what it's worth, VRChat does more communicating than any other game I've personally interacted with, but I totally understand your point

[glossy wharf]

It is not hard to give out a message "our update videos are delayed for a bit as we put all work force on the next update"

Does more communicating?

Okay sorry, but thats just a plain joke.

Okay aev seriously

Look at your canny and tell me your communication is good.

[wise trench]

[vocal shard]

today is a good day

[glossy wharf]

Seriously, this is not hate or anything, but saying the communication is okay is just not right.

[floral aspen]

that may be true oclac, but at least we could see exactly what it is they're working on with a trello

[wise trench]

Stupid ping in #announcements won't go away

[vocal shard]

avatar stealing is gone for now

[wise trench]

Yay for that

[quiet prawn]

Today is a blue day, no wait green, ORANGE!!!

[glossy wharf]

Exactly, the dev vlog, just give us a twitter message that it will be delayed

[umbral reef]

@floral aspen You cna also with the trello- Or well- For the most part- They would still have to mark everything all the time (Like they do with bug reports)

[wise trench]

But Sub world baiscally took my avatar

[glossy wharf]

small things like that make the community feel like they are actually being heard.

[umbral reef]

I wont say that the suggestion part of the canny isnt a joke

[wise trench]

Now everyone has EN

[umbral reef]

As its a joke most of the time from both users and vrc side

[glossy wharf]

They need to hire someone to clean out the canny and to communicate between dev team and users on the canny

[wise trench]

[glossy wharf]

Thats not the point though

[vocal shard]

now my avatars wont get yoinked

[glossy wharf]

thats just using your community to push features into a game that you want to see.

[vocal shard]

👌

[umbral reef]

Tupper is mainly the social media bro-
And clearing out the canny would just result in "Why did my post get removed"
They can not reply to everything on there,., ITs unrealistic

[glossy wharf]

But as aev already said, the feature was planned.

[umbral reef]

Also just getting a new person is a LOT easier said then done

[glossy wharf]

It is absolutely not unrealistic

[wise trench]

[glossy wharf]

if they would have taken the canny serious from the beginning on it would have been cleaned and everyone could have an answer.

Obviously now its piled up work.

[umbral reef]

The canny isnt a road map or forces the staff to do X thing even though its what i alsow ould like

[glossy wharf]

but instead of just leaving it all there and leaving it unanswered things should be tackled on a daily.

[umbral reef]

Its an suggesting board and report of bug place for the team

[glossy wharf]

Yes, but it also has a nice page to show whats being worked on.

[floral aspen]

Canny probably seemed like a good idea when it was just 100 people playing the game.

[glossy wharf]

I mean, they call it a roadmap, but the communication is lacking.

https://vrchat.canny.io/

[umbral reef]

Féz there has to be stuff to report

[glossy wharf]

Oclac

if they cant make one they should alteast let people know.

[umbral reef]

They cant pull another (fuck forgot the name but that world system they went to make themself instead of use)

[glossy wharf]

and not just not upload one.

^

This is basic communication that a company should be able to do.

Especially a company that develops games.

[heady meteor]

Hey

[glossy wharf]

You have a community that plays your game and makes content for it, you should be able to communicate basic things with them.

Or you just go the gmod route

make it all workshop based

and dont give a fuck

Because the community fixes your shit and actually has the tools to do so.

But if you dont provide them with tools you need to communicate.

Its simple as that.

[wary karma]

you can't develop in a vacuum

[glossy wharf]

^

[floral aspen]

Still think a trello would be a good idea. Look at how Unknown Worlds handled their trello when developing subnautica. Their communication with the community was great and they were also a small indie team

[glossy wharf]

The trello isnt needed, they just need to actually clean out their canny

and give updates on things

[wary karma]

and don't flame out members of the community with genuine concerns

[glossy wharf]

They should maybe add a category "planned for next update" or something so people can actually see whats currently "in progress" instead of 50000 things in the in progress tab.

[wary karma]

that one isn't in the rulebook, it's more implied than anything

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Rumors are and will be always a thing within this community

People spout things without any source being anywhere or there being a source that denies it

[glossy wharf]

@placid umbra Thank you for communicating with the community here by the way, you are doing the job that should have been done a long time ago. Not trying to ramble about stuff too much and im sorry if it sounded like this. I just love this game and have concerns about the games future if the communication doesnt improve. I actually appreciate the effort.

[umbral reef]

Look at the time people throw up to unlock uploading avatars

[vocal shard]

Aev is 👌

[vast tulip]

I'm curious if "clean up" means "close things I don't want and work on stuff I want" 🤔

[glossy wharf]

See i can see tupper is clearing out the canny right now

or someone is

Thank you whoever is working on the canny right now.

[vocal shard]

yo guys

but pls dont rip my animations

[indigo fern]

What did you say?
Rip all your animations?

[vocal shard]

OH NO

Floppiii = sadboi

Actually pretty nice it came out already

[covert chasm]

Looking through Feature Requests and Bug Reports, things we have marked or commented on are either marked as Planned, or etc. Bug Reports are tougher, but they get passed up through the bug tracking system as we process them. They're marked as Completed or In Progress etc as we work on them.

Not every Feature Request will get a response. They are requests, after all, not demands 😃

[vocal shard]

we have an animation showcase saturday

a pretty big one

and they fixed it before that

so im happy

[distant charm]

I can say that the canny is cleaned out regularly with the amount of posts that come in daily

[indigo fern]

The new hecks can rip your animations directly from discord

[vocal shard]

OH FUCK

[indigo fern]

We got em bois

[covert chasm]

No, because that's a response. 😛

If something doesn't get a response, then any response... is a response. 🤔

[vocal shard]

I got a friend rip one of my avatars for me because i lost it in unity

He´s the best with it

yes, the shader worked and even the start delay on my particles

alteast they hide the vrca now

so basic people cant take anything

[indigo fern]

Anyway, have fun with the showcase :0

[vocal shard]

thanks alot

[covert chasm]

As an example, look at Discord's Feature Requests board. They comment on.. almost none of them. When they do plan on implementing a feature, they start commenting on it.

[vocal shard]

I´ve been working for 2 weeks on my new stuff argh

[indigo fern]

The big payoff 💦 💦 💦

[vocal shard]

cant wait

ja

[karmic bear]

!StealAnimations @vocal shard >GO

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm i want more dev updates tho

[covert chasm]

Spending time commenting on every single Feature Request with "this is a good idea" or "this is a bad idea because of x, y, and z" is simply not possible or feasible

[hushed delta]

@covert chasm have a cookie for the nice update 🍪

[vocal shard]

they are so good, you learn so much stuff at once everytime

OH NO PLEASE DONT STEAL MY ANIMATIONS

[covert chasm]

Dev Updates are a good thing, but they take a lot of time and effort to create, so they can be delayed until we've got enough to chat about 😃

[vocal shard]

Yo Tupper im gonna find you ingame in the future, show you stuff and then i bet you´ll complain that i make you lagg

[karmic bear]

30% --. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[distant charm]

I cant think of any game company that manages to respond to each and every request post on a regular basis

[vocal shard]

thats how ppl describe you

LUL

[karmic bear]

70% ---------------------- . . . . .

[glossy wharf]

@covert chasm Then please atleast communicate that there wont be a update vlog for reason x y z.

[covert chasm]

as someone that complains when someone lags them? I feel like that describes a lot of people

[karmic bear]

Animations: Stoled

[vocal shard]

True tho!

yeah Tupper they are a good thing and it's understandable

but been a long time since we had one

even a small one that talk about what's planned would be good

I get asked to show off most of the times, so its alright

lagg is gay

so we got a vague idea on what to expect in the coming months

[covert chasm]

@glossy wharf ??? So you want every Canny Feature Request categorized as "good idea, not yet" or "not good idea" or "good idea, let's do it now", etc etc?

[glossy wharf]

What

"Then please atleast communicate that there wont be a update vlog for reason x y z."

canny

[remote isle]

Every canny that recieves a good amount of support

[glossy wharf]

update vlog

???????????

[indigo fern]

They always ask, show us floppii
But they never ask, how are you floppii
;-;

[covert chasm]

we're on two subjects in here, forgive my confusion

[remote isle]

"Every canny that recieves a good amount of support" could atleast respond when a canny gets 200+ ups

like hey i'll run that by them and get some input. no promises

[covert chasm]

Again I feel like I have to re-re-re-reiterate that a Feature Request is a Request

[remote isle]

yeah sure is

[covert chasm]

all Canny posts, esp highly voted ones are looked at

[remote isle]

when a tenth of you active playerbase upvotes something

which is a miracle in its own right

that people even signed up

to actively upvote it

[vocal shard]

no response doesnt automatically mean that they didnt look at the feature

[remote isle]

it'd be nice to know it was seen

is the point

[covert chasm]

If it was posted, it has been seen

[vocal shard]

i agree

they can add a small button that say "seen by devs"

[remote isle]

Alright well when the people who literally carry your games creativity suggest something it's probably a decent idea to interact

[jovial grail]

How long does it usually take to get the ability to upload avatars?

[vocal shard]

20 to 40 hours

[heady meteor]

Tupper can i apply for admin or help out out

[vocal shard]

sometimes more

[remote isle]

since you only exist because of these people

[vocal shard]

sometimes less

@heady meteor tupper doesnt hire people

[remote isle]

Let me get this straight, you feel the community doesn't deserve a response to their canny requests even though the userbase of Canny is like a very passionate part of the community who really want to see the game improve? 🤣

[scenic bluff]

Is there a point too it tho

[hushed delta]

Do you guys want that they comment on every canny or do you want vrchat updates?

[umbral reef]

Nice not getting anything done guys 👌
Being annoying, spamming and being agressive towards the people who need to fix the problems isnt the way to go

[remote isle]

nobody said every canny you mong

[heady meteor]

Apply for stuff

[vocal shard]

@brisk bone why

https://www.vrchat.net/careers

[kindred sonnet]

Hello
What's a canny?

[vocal shard]

thanks advert

was searching for that

[remote isle]

But you've literally broke multiple outlets of creativity and offered no response

even though people are lined up to send you the proper fix

or guide your devs

thats called monging out

[umbral reef]

@kindred sonnet Tl;dr canny is the place where users cna suggest idea's for the game and report bugs

[glossy wharf]

As we all know insulting the people working on the features you want in the game is the way to get them.

/s

[covert chasm]

@remote isle check #general-media for hackspanner's explaination

[remote isle]

I know hackspanners

he mong'd out too

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf Its the main thing happening here though sadly

[azure wren]

Ayy guys

[kindred sonnet]

@umbral reef Ahh okay, thank you!

[warped urchin]

Dude you can understand that development goes over a simple dev blog.

[azure wren]

When can i upload custom avatars?

[covert chasm]

@brisk bone There isn't one because it isn't done yet.

[warped urchin]

You don't need to be so pushy about it lol

[remote isle]

not even talking about this animator stuff

[warped urchin]

Just wait for it to come out

[remote isle]

even though it applies

[warped urchin]

If it hasn't is because it's not ready

simple it's just a video on what their working

[vocal shard]

give me dev blog or i commit sudoku

[warped urchin]

either it's not enough to make a video

or there's no need for it just yet

[distant charm]

^

[warped urchin]

sure having a biiweekly one was a bad idea but it wasn't guarenteed

[remote isle]

Like you could tell the community they are safe to bring their models out again

[vocal shard]

1 every month would be more than enough