vrchat-general-2

[strange wagon]

outplayed.

[modest halo]

and people like mmds I don’t think the creators make these with the intention of them getting popular

[vocal shard]

those mmd model creators are a bunch of whiny cunts

[strange wagon]

as rude as it sounds

kinda agree

[vocal shard]

you put your stuff for free download on internet and except random idiots to follow your own made up rules ? come on, get fucking real

[strange wagon]

you can not expect something like this

when distributing something for the public for free

you just can not.

you can't gift something and then demand rules

[vocal shard]

now they are locked in their own little shitty groups

where you need to make mmd animations

models

and speak japanese

or you are out

fuck them, i have no sympathy for them at all

[strange wagon]

is ironic that the japanese ppl themselves use all of these models on vrchat

[mint fable]

wow, you must hate copyleft, lol

like, seriously, have you guys never heard of the term "license"? lol

[strange wagon]

i have heard of it 👀

but why distribute it for free if you are the one getting fcked at the end?

they can not be that dumb

come on

[mint fable]

because not everyone is a douchebag? lol

[strange wagon]

that is true. but this is the internet 👀

it's kind of a 50/50

[mint fable]

not really, it depends on culture

[strange wagon]

but you can be sure that both will happen lots

another question then

[modest halo]

idk you guys are using the models for free and insulting the creators 🤔

[mint fable]

yeah, and that's a risk to take, but it doesn't mean you should never do something because a few people won't follow your rules

[strange wagon]

the japanese ppl do it, which kind of makes this question redundant but if westeners are the problem. why not ip block or something. (eventhough that would do jack shit, but it shows that they'd care)

[mint fable]

Like, are you saying people shouldn't sell games because somebody might pirate it?

[vocal shard]

to be fair

[strange wagon]

hey i think it's great of them to distribute it. but i don't think it's great of them taking it down because of the obvious

[vocal shard]

those were hosted on mmd

which is written in all japanese

[strange wagon]

yea @mint fable

that would be the same thing

[vocal shard]

wouldn't expect gaijin to read them👀

[strange wagon]

ppl just stop selling games because of torrents

it's just dumb

it will happen and they should get a way to deal with it instead of fucking everyone

but japanese ppl also use these models tons 👀

in fact

i think more japanese/korean ppl use kemono friend models

[acoustic umbra]

iv been on the same account for a long while and iv uploaded 1 modle before but that was a while back and i tried uploading again and it wasn't working i tried like 4 diffrent modles

[strange wagon]

go to shrine once and it's 90% kemono friend models speaking korean/japanese 👀

[vocal shard]

what does the error message say?

[strange wagon]

idk

[acoustic umbra]

its mostly the polyn thing but its under 29k

20*

[strange wagon]

with vrchat being as popular as is i think they need to change their license bullshit

cause it'll happen to every model

[vocal shard]

when you build, what is your avatar status?

[acoustic umbra]

able to publish?

[vocal shard]

then it is not about the right

maybe outdated sdk?

[umbral reef]

VRC cant mod it for them and well- has no reason to
the websites themself also cant really moderate it for the users
The users themself have to do the work (and an hire companies to do it or just ... dont...)
Only thing they can do it not make it fully public or throw passwords on it

[acoustic umbra]

no iv updated my sdx to the latest version and it uploads but it doesnt show up in my managed modles

[strange wagon]

yea

but these passwords are easily found

[umbral reef]

Like this snt just an avatar problem at all-- It goes for anything and everything from photo's online to audio clips

[vocal shard]

try to detach the blueprint id

[umbral reef]

Fully depends shioro

[strange wagon]

i just think it's not a good situation

all creators hate vrchat 👀

or most of them

[vocal shard]

a huge portion of them

[strange wagon]

yea

it is always the same

[umbral reef]

Well what solutions are there beside not making it public or blocking the internet

[strange wagon]

saw this deviantart artist

who literally took a model

edited it

and reposted it and was like don't use it for vrchat

couple months later taken down because of vrchat

👀

there are solutions

https://komado.booth.pm/

[polar jasper]

"Don't tell me what I can't do, because then I will do it"

[strange wagon]

this is one of them

except the ridicilous price

around 32€ for each of these

very good quality though

pretty sure ppl would buy models if they wouldn't be that ridicilously priced

if that helps with that license shit then why not 👀

[umbral reef]

Well the thing is- You often also buy the rights to make money from the avatars within video's

[strange wagon]

but the person probably made it themself

[umbral reef]

And that stuff often costs more then just 'Feel free to use' rights

[polar jasper]

We just need the tools that allow any person to create a avatar without too much effort.

[strange wagon]

yea

[umbral reef]

And making proper high end models takes hours and hours

[vocal shard]

agree

saw that thread in reddit

[strange wagon]

when frankensteining an avatar pretty sure no one gives a fuck about the "dont take parts" rule

[umbral reef]

Id say start a website-
Get people to make you fully copyright free hats- objects- materials and ect

Then find a magical dev to think of a way to combine these objects without insane problems

[vocal shard]

though i end up arguing with someone else about implement the favorite avatar function

[umbral reef]

And tada

[strange wagon]

since i started making custom avatars i just stopped using world ones

👀

i should make an avatar world tbh

[vocal shard]

a character creator will do

then let the modders do the rest

[worn walrus]

Is there anyway to talk to a developer about an issue with latency delay. This problem happned twice in a row with me because I switched settings from Vrchat high to Desktoplow. Yes my internet is bad with a download average of 15, but I never encountered delay issues until I changed it from vrchat high to desktop low.

is there a way to delete every single thing about vrchat to reset the settings

[umbral reef]

Report stuff like that on the Canny.io or email them at [e-mail] if you want contact

[worn walrus]

Thank you

[formal cedar]

anybody knows why some servers are downloaded more than once even though i've been there before?

[ruby needle]

maybe the map was updated or already cleared of the cache.

[vocal shard]

So.

rift vs vive?

rift for the price
the comfort
and better controller

I was leaning for the rift too.

vive for full body i guess

even tho rift can use the vive tracker too now

Just becasue it was John carmack that made it

😃

I was thinking about purchasing the rift here soon for VRChat, mess around with modeling etc.

Then realized i need to wait to upload and publish avatars lul.

Anyways ty.

Get a vive if you want broken controllers like 100% of all vive owners

1 of my friends had to replace his vive controllers 4 times

And all my other friends have broken controllers

[loud wolf]

How do you know you've been blocked on VRchat? I tried to add people I was once friends with and it goes from request sent back to friends. I keep clicking on it and it says request sent and goes back to before I clicked on friends. I can't add any of my old friends. Have I been blocked from these people?

[polar elm]

Or wait for next gen vr next year

[vocal shard]

Havent met a vive player with 100% functional controllers

[ruby needle]

the wands are garbage

[mighty galleon]

-pats maru-

[vocal shard]

Ive smashed my rift controllers so many times and they are good still

[ruby needle]

including the part where you need to wire up your controllers when they run out during gametime 😄

[vocal shard]

Rip

[umbral reef]

How the fuck do you guys mess up ya controllers with a vive

I got one

punched plenty of walls and got more blue fingers then any non working parts in my controllers

[ruby needle]

trackpads are the most common to start failing

with normal usage that is

not exactly hiting something

especially if you have not switched over the the newer controll scheme

[umbral reef]

That is known yea but plain old breaking them or getting them to mishap?... not really

And they break faster there because its the one thing you always use for any game at all

[polar elm]

whitmire 👋

[mighty galleon]

hi

[safe yacht]

Time for a break, the Russians are online.

They seem to take pride in being obnoxious and rude. Giving Americans a run for their money. But at least I can understand the Americans.

[tacit plank]

Change server then

[rapid heath]

That's Russian memers for you

[limpid river]

@safe yacht no racism here

[tacit plank]

Russia isn't a race though, this is just regular geographic discrimination

[vocal shard]

just block them

instead of making an ass out of yourself

[acoustic umbra]

so im trying to upload a model but its saying that the audiolistener is gonna be removed, theres no animations for the character to be animated and cameras are removed from lol-local avatars at runtime. HALP

non-local*

yet description and screenshots look completelt fine

[limpid river]

racism can be based on ethnicity

[vocal shard]

you have non-whitelised component on your avatar apparently, you need to remove it

[rapid heath]

Yeah, it's not about the race

I'm russian

But I hate "Russian memers"

[acoustic umbra]

ok thats done but i cant see why it cant find the animations cuz it says in the discription it has some

says it wont animate

could it be that i need to reisntall unity because when use build & publish it doesnt even take me to the window where you name the charatcer or anyhting like that

[acoustic umbra]

yooo how do i fix the vrchat SDX? it only has 1 option

[median basalt]

Go to console, fix compile errors @acoustic umbra

Why do people keep importing random assets and then complain it doesn't work

[crisp moth]

Hai

[acoustic umbra]

every model i try uploading gives me too many errors...i just wanna upload a character DX

[limpid river]

errors in the build panel ?

[modern sand]

Please ask questions regarding avatars in the appropriate avatar channels

[acoustic umbra]

@limpid river yes

[vocal shard]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwa

[median lake]

Hey, I'm not 100% sure where to ask this or whatever, but is there a way to make it so that the camera pins are fixed so they don't reset between vrc sessions? It seems really useful if they would stay as then you could just click a pin and boom, everything's set up.

[ruby needle]

yeah that is a bit annoying

im not sure if anyone requested it in the canny allready

[lilac swan]

Unfortunately no, currently there is no way to make them remember pins between sessions

[median lake]

Any plans for it or is it lower on the priorities?

[crisp moth]

@lilac swan So when are you getting that emoji?

[lilac swan]

Your guess is as good as mine

[median lake]

Dang.

[crisp moth]

In 5 seconds

[safe yacht]

Are people making intentionally bad characters to make servers lag? Kinda feels like it at times.

[crisp moth]

There are few who do, but not majority

[past vapor]

Some people have emotes and particles that are over-the-top and cause lag on people who cant handle it. Often crashing many peoples games. such as mine

[ruby needle]

personally i would say yes

cus a lot of people dont care about optimizing even if they know about it

[safe yacht]

I really should get that particle limiter

[past vapor]

a lot of people block avatars by default because of general lag and those annoying people who crash others and such

[median basalt]

@safe yacht particles are usually not the main offender when it comes to lag

Almost nobody actually causes lag on purpose, it's just the people with a lot of dynamic bones and people who don't texture atlas their avatars.

I've had friends complain about laggy avatars, only for them to have like 25 materials lol

[limpid river]

my first avatar had 10 materials and 4 different meshes. At that time no tutorial talked about optimizing avatars

[median basalt]

Particles aren't laggy inherently, it's just that a lot of particles make the lag more apparent because they will appear to jitter

[inner cape]

Rant about draw calls from Rokk #357

[median basalt]

Particles can get laggy when you have non-instanced mesh particles or a ton of collision particles

Although my PC is stupidly powerful now, I will still rant about draw calls lol

[limpid river]

wait who is Rokk#357 are they the same as Rokk#8740 ?

[median basalt]

Texture atlasing is lossless optimization

[inner cape]

I meant №357

[median basalt]

As long as you keep the "original" somewhere for edits

[inner cape]

As in its a number of times he's done it

Cmon

[vocal shard]

and yet, people still say "lmao particle lags" and "hurr durr polys lags me i block u now eeks dee"

[ruby needle]

unfortunately when ever you mention it people think about the auto atlas by cats

which unfortunately is lossy due to its unwrap

but people also expect good results from pressing the decimate button...

[median basalt]

The fact that decimation is required but atlasing isn't saddens me

Because it should be the other way around (or just both)

[ruby needle]

yes

yes that is really sad

there really should be a limit on materials

make it 10 or so

leaves more then enogh room for crazy shader shit

but requires most to take a loot at atlasing

and untill a limit or so is set and voted for at least implement a hint like with the polys!

[inner cape]

Lmoa

fancy shaders are lagging me, blocked

[whole lodge]

It's been a long time since the last Vrchat update

I'm feeling a little thirsty

[ruby needle]

yeah

i really hope theyt arent just lazy but insted have something really nice comming

[vocal shard]

Thirsty ?

[ruby needle]

[whole lodge]

Yeah.. If it's work going into Udon than that's awesome

But if it's a video about how they fixed a few bugs

Boy that's gonna sting.

[vocal shard]

next update :

1. we added a permanent Pin (only one) on cameras
2. various security fixes

see you in 8 months

[ruby needle]

if its just udon then pls no

[whole lodge]

Just give me a Category so I can quickly find game maps so I can have something to do.

[ruby needle]

Svelsien

[whole lodge]

Give me pseudo leveling lol

[limpid river]

we definitely need a public visible counter for number of friends

[vocal shard]

🤔

[whole lodge]

I'd like it where it didn't reset every time I hit the back button or unfriend someone when culling the list

[proper thunder]

So if someone hacks in vrchat with same ip and internet as i do but im not the hacker or so would i also get banned if the hacker gets banned who uses the same ip as i do even tho i have never hacked? Cus that would suck if i need to go thrue the ban to cus of someone else is hacking...

[whole lodge]

Are we talking just same ip or someone in your house hold

[proper thunder]

Same ip and same house hold

[whole lodge]

Go destroy their pc

Drop soda on their power supply

[proper thunder]

I dont wanna get banned cus of them

[whole lodge]

Report them

[proper thunder]

Uh

Report = ban faster

[whole lodge]

You'll end up going down with them if you don't get ahead of the incoming ban

[proper thunder]

I be banned to

[south mist]

Can someone give a a download to a armature with no mesh

[whole lodge]

Are we just talking about you doing the hacking and pretending you have a friend who is doing it?

[proper thunder]

What to even do :FeelsBadMan-2:

No my lil sist

Sister*

[tacit plank]

They don't have to be fancy

[whole lodge]

Your little sister.. Is hacking

[tacit plank]

Oh, chat was scrolled up

[proper thunder]

Told her not to but refuses to lisen

[shy nest]

delete system 32 on her computer

it'll be funny

[tacit plank]

She should at least do it on her own account

[whole lodge]

Uninstall her OS

[proper thunder]

She does

[tacit plank]

Or do it properly, and not get caught

[whole lodge]

So she's using your account?

[shy nest]

pour water on her computer

[tacit plank]

And do her a favor and run mbam, a lot of public scripts have malware in them

[vocal shard]

@south mist or you can make your own you know ? just download any standard model, fix it with CATS and just remove all the mesh

[proper thunder]

She uses her account but the ban are ip banned

[shy nest]

well, guess i wont see you around

later fam

[whole lodge]

Either you do something about it yourself or you move in to report her and get her banned and not you

If you don't you'll get the hammer also

[proper thunder]

Me who got 700+ hours in vrchat will get lost

[tacit plank]

You should try to get it resolved with VRChat

[proper thunder]

Well if i report her i get banned to

[tacit plank]

Then in the future, use a seperate network from her I guess

[whole lodge]

If you do nothing you get banned

[rough pulsar]

@proper thunder Email [e-mail] and explain what's going on.
Beyond that I can't suggest anything other than telling her to stop.

[proper thunder]

Okay

[whole lodge]

That's what we are telling him. It's be ahead of the news or get the hammer

I personally would Unplug her graphics card

[proper thunder]

She dosent care if she getts banned

[whole lodge]

Then get her banned bro

[tacit plank]

Ask her to use the neightbours internet for hacking at least then?

[ruby needle]

Rukio pls

[whole lodge]

Lul

[ruby needle]

caffeine pls

[whole lodge]

Fine fine

[limpid river]

why don't you talk about it with your parents ?

[proper thunder]

I have tho they dont rlly care

[whole lodge]

I agree. Pour coffee on her motherboard

Good thinking @ruby needle

[shy nest]

well if you're not going to do anything you'll just get the hammer

[proper thunder]

Will email vrchat and talk to them about it all

[ruby needle]

Rukio

self justice is not a solution

[proper thunder]

Hope i can get it solved without being banned myself

[ruby needle]

if you both are youn talk to your parents

tell them she does not allowed stuff

and get them to disallow it for her

[tacit plank]

You could also change her password

[ruby needle]

no

[whole lodge]

Go in the router and revoke internet to her pc

[ruby needle]

self justice is not a solution god dammit

[whole lodge]

I give tough love.

[tacit plank]

It is a solution, just not neccesarily a good one

[proper thunder]

Only cus her others friends says its allowed to

[whole lodge]

You have someone who doesn't care about ruining the game for other people and family

[tacit plank]

link her the FAQ lol

[south anvil]

Would it be possible to inject small old school game files into VRChat? Ooold, like Asteroids era. Sort of how they inject video. A functional arcade cabinet would be pretty neat.

[whole lodge]

Someone needs to teach her a lesson. Either with a ban with weo emailing or him talking with parents to punish her via an external method

[proper thunder]

Ye i will email them and burn her computer

[whole lodge]

Wat

[proper thunder]

I will email vrchat and after that burn her computer up

[whole lodge]

Or

Or you just Unplug a few cables

Like her hdmi/vga/gpu

[proper thunder]

Well she uses wifi

And a laptop

[whole lodge]

Remove her dongle if she has one on the back of her pc

Oh

[vocal shard]

can you stop rukio ?

[whole lodge]

I could yes. He has his solutions already

[proper thunder]

Ye tho some of them are funny

[vocal shard]

as for @proper thunder , if talking to your parents or to her doesnt work, try to gather as much proof as you can and send that to [e-mail]

[whole lodge]

He didn't think so

[vocal shard]

only thing that you should do at this point

[polar jasper]

Take this to private DM's if you want to continue.

[ruby needle]

@proper thunder contact the support is the right way but the second thign you dont want to do

dont do self justice

you wont do your self a favor at all

[proper thunder]

Ik

[ruby needle]

and dont listen to any stupid recommendation in that regard

[whole lodge]

Guess the jokes weren't as funny as I thought. As the first suggestion was and as a mod suggested. Send an email

[proper thunder]

Ye

[whole lodge]

Plenty of whooshes tonight

Good luck my man, and again. Don't burn her laptop

[proper thunder]

Ye

I hope i can get this solved

[whole lodge]

Did you send the email yet?

[vocal shard]

it was fun the first couple time

[proper thunder]

So i can skip being banned for what she does

[vocal shard]

not the spam that followed after

[whole lodge]

Sorry. Next time I'll let the loli talk go back to normal

[crisp moth]

VRChat accounts are only account bans, not IP or hid.

So if they use a different account your fine.

[ruby needle]

well

[vocal shard]

oyu can get IP banned

so if you make another account

[limpid river]

from what i heard from banned people ip bans are done

[vocal shard]

it will get banned too

for "ban evasion"

[whole lodge]

Don't get v target a chain of accounts if they have.. Say.. Logged into it before?

[ruby needle]

matching ip's with aips used on banned accounts can get you easily banned

[whole lodge]

Is that just off ip or their pc history

[ruby needle]

the good old "upload for someone else" issue

[whole lodge]

Don't people get chain account banned *

[proper thunder]

Why not use like gta v to find cheaters

[whole lodge]

Yeah that's what I was going for Paul

[crisp moth]

🤦

[whole lodge]

Wonder if having a personal local mp3 player would be something doable

[ruby needle]

i mean

[whole lodge]

Officially. Not in a world sense

[ruby needle]

you could make a audio source super tiny and put it in your viewport

[whole lodge]

"Why is Careless Whispers emitting from your head, Rakan?"

[vocal shard]

personal local mp3 player ?

[ruby needle]

but you could just aswell play it with any media player 😄

[whole lodge]

As in. You open your menu, select music player and you can select from a library of songs you've put in a folder or something

[vocal shard]

the closest i saw is someone made a new account with "name'sBoomBox" and it would follow him everywhere automatically

[whole lodge]

And only you can hear it.

[vocal shard]

and it would automatically be above his main account

with music only working if you are just under it

[whole lodge]

Hm

That's pretty interesting

[south mist]

@vocal shard also yes that was exactly what i was going to do you dont have to be so condensending

[vocal shard]

cry me a river and see if i care

[south mist]

this is so sad alexa play despacito

[vocal shard]

[whole lodge]

"Now ordering, Doritoes."

Wonder if feet colliders will become a thing

What would have to be implemented to get something like that started?

[vocal shard]

feet collider ?

[whole lodge]

Wonder if that would have to do something with a hit box

Maybe collide is the wrong word

How when we pass our hands through the world. Intractable objects and surfaces register it.

So say I wanted to do.. Say a DDR world for a lack of a better example.

[ruby needle]

DDR world

[indigo fern]

theres already a taiko drum world

[whole lodge]

Or even doing pedals in a vehicle I suppose

[ruby needle]

im not sure how well a ddr world would work tho

tracking wise

hitting drums is a lot of rather clear movement

[indigo fern]

yea, feet are sweat

[ruby needle]

but ddr/itg are very different

not only position but pressing the plates

[indigo fern]

feet dont really uhh, not here at least

[ruby needle]

especiall on high level

the feet barely even move

a lot is done with preasure balancing

not that you would do that in vr

but... you know

[whole lodge]

I guess I'm taking from a Full body tracking view

[ruby needle]

oh ofc

how else would it even work

[whole lodge]

Shuffle your body around with your head

Lul

[indigo fern]

non full body feet
they only have feet, no hands

[whole lodge]

So you think even with full body it would have problems?

[ruby needle]

ofc

[whole lodge]

Just out of curiosity, why's that?

[indigo fern]

fast movements

[ruby needle]

because of personal experience

http://shared.dj-fpaul.de/d181HFdkb.jpg of having this in ma basement

[indigo fern]

legs crossing slightly

[whole lodge]

So many people's cats would get hurt

With it in vr

[vocal shard]

i like how that whole thing is just short enough to fit in the basement

[ruby needle]

it doesnt

the marquee is custom made

original would be to tall

head room is also.... limited for jumps

[whole lodge]

On top of fast movements. I guess models where their feet don't technically go to the games actual ground would have issues

[ruby needle]

yes

[indigo fern]

ouch, i can imagine you smashing your head into the ceiling now

[ruby needle]

i havend yet

it works out

but it is a close one 😄

[indigo fern]

yet being the key word though

hopefully it doesnt happen

would hate for the ceiling to be hurt

[ruby needle]

😄

its at least not a solid one

[indigo fern]

[ruby needle]

a little bit flexibe

since its a lowered ceiling

below the actual one

[indigo fern]

oh, sounds like it was made for jumping into then

[ruby needle]

i mean

this was meant to be a party room

and it wasnt used for it

and then i randomly bought a "ddr" cab from england

and i take what ever space i get

im glad im even allowed to have it

[indigo fern]

youd probably be crushed if you found the cabinet and werent allow to have

[ruby needle]

you dont even want to know how horrible it is to move such a thing

its super heavy

and bulky

[indigo fern]

no thanks

[ruby needle]

had to completely dismantle it to get it downstairs and into the door
http://dj-fpaul.de/VP/cab/10.jpg

still weighs like 300kg

[indigo fern]

god it was probably like a fridge, but in a weird ass shape

[ruby needle]

worse

but back to vrvchat

[vocal shard]

[ruby needle]

im not sure if you could use colliders as triggers

[indigo fern]

anyway, feet probably wouldnt work for something like that

[ruby needle]

if you put colliders on a special moddel and in each feet?

still would be very stupid to play tho

[whole lodge]

Udon. Please let someone make an asteroids map of the ability to make arcade cabinets

Or*

[ruby needle]

pray for unity 2018 first pls

[whole lodge]

Praise unity 2018

[ruby needle]

or a separat mt implementation

[whole lodge]

Udon save us

[gloomy sequoia]

Anyone having uplod problems right now?

[ruby needle]

no

cus im not uploading

[gloomy sequoia]

XD

[limpid river]

you are the first to have problems at this point

(like in the last few hours)

[ruby needle]

yup

[vocal shard]

what

upload works

[whole lodge]

Udon. Allow us to keep track of all the head pats we give and receive
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[vocal shard]

RUKIO

!!

i need to eat

then get in vr

zz

[abstract wind]

is there a vive controller layout that shows the gestures

[lilac swan]

@abstract wind https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/392752532767637514/VRChat_Hand_Gesture_Mapping.png
It's pinned in #avatars-2-general for future reference

[abstract wind]

@lilac swan ty

[lilac swan]

This is on the right hand. Left hand is flipped

[finite kraken]

Is it harder to do worlds then is to upload models?

[ruby needle]

depends

how do you define "upload models"

[finite kraken]

Better question I’m guessing I only need the source file and don’t have to rig wieght paint or use much in blender right?

[ruby needle]

source file?

[finite kraken]

Just the models I can grab from games

Like environment npc models player models

Buildings

[ruby needle]

if you take a ripped model or MMD thats most likely going to be easier then making a world

[warped thorn]

We can instantly tell you have no idea what you're talking about. Start "simple" with an MMD custom avatar. Because a lot of people will give up just from that.

[finite kraken]

Can I place a bunch of OBJ files all over a world would that be fine? There’s not much to it just needing a avatar stand a mirror

A spawn point

Some seats

[ruby needle]

"Just" and making somethign properly does not work

yes you can import obj and place them in a world

[finite kraken]

Then there you go simple enough... gonna start working on my world then

[vocal shard]

i thought OBJ file can't have materials in unity

[ruby needle]

duno about that

dont use unity things for walls and stuch tho

at least use probuilder

[finite kraken]

I use OBJ for props on my avatars all the time

Gonna use that home world map the one that is your new set home place it said there is a vid on it that explains how to build your own version

[vocal shard]

how do I delete my VRchat account?

[ruby needle]

writing them a mail and requesting a deletiong i guess

[vocal shard]

welp

[finite kraken]

How do I delete someone eles account?

[ruby needle]

thats easy ** fires up cmd in green font color **

[quiet perch]

Woah calm down FPaul lets not get crazy here!

[ruby needle]

and thats not even my final form

** types in the tree comand and pings google **

[quiet perch]

God no please spare us!

[finite kraken]

I think everyone in VRchat are weebs

[quiet perch]

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

[ruby needle]

oh no 😛

[tacit plank]

That stopped working years ago, no?

[quiet perch]

I haven't tried it in years. Been to lazy to enable telnet

daaaaang it still works

[ruby needle]

daaaa daaaaaaa

da dada daaaaa daaaaa... sorry

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6098 users in VRChat currently

[ruby needle]

[pseudo dawn]

Is anyone else having trouble pulling up their friends list?

VRChat is down now?

But the servers might be.

[median basalt]

@vocal shard they can, just no bones

[earnest ermine]

please ma'am could I mayhaps have 1 (one) friends list in my menu

[tiny nimbus]

Yep, I'm having issues not being able to see who's online currently.

Hrm.

[trim hamlet]

It seems like the friends API is having issues

[tiny nimbus]

hi snep

fix it

[trim hamlet]

hi denwa

fix it

[tiny nimbus]

no i can only fix kickball

[trim hamlet]

Just Fix It™

[ruby needle]

** fires up the cmd again ** on it

[modern sand]

We're working on fixing it, need to find the fixit.exe first

[safe narwhal]

Snep, could you have an idea on how the Friend API is down?

[vocal shard]

same here as well

i was wondering already

[trim hamlet]

Well the endpoints are returning error 500s
That's all I know, I don't work for VRChat :P

[safe narwhal]

Makes sense.

[ruby needle]

just all iFixit and ask for a guide to fix the vrchat game

[quiet perch]

Alt + f4 ingame

[safe narwhal]

Snep, that is a internal server issue, So Servers qualify as down RN.

[trim hamlet]

Yes, as I mentioned

[winged quartz]

rip

I was just going to ask about it

[safe narwhal]

So RIP servers.

Also, Hey Bornato, How have you been?

[winged quartz]

Hey my man

I've been fine, how bout ya?

[trim hamlet]

The problem should be resolved soon ^^
The team is aware

[earnest ermine]

put a bandaid on it pwease

[vocal shard]

help

friends list is missing

[little compass]

So i just got on and im thinking im not the only one with friends list missing

[earnest ermine]

impossible

[quiet perch]

Read up some

[little compass]

same

[quiet perch]

They know of the problem and are working on it

hey meanie xD

Vrchat team member Aev is like Not my problem - playing Fortnite haha

[wintry haven]

howcome

I can't see any friends

on my social tab

I've tried restarting this shit like 3 times

[past vapor]

restarting wont fix it Vilify

its a server issue, its going on for everyone

literally everyone

[wintry haven]

o ok

thanks for the heads up then

[trim hamlet]

The problem is being worked on~

[ruby needle]

@quiet perch do you work 24/7 when you are not sleeping without any free time?

[quiet perch]

You dont know? I'm an AI learning to interact with people, walk, and play VR games!

Im always working

Beep Boop

[gloomy sequoia]

Social isn't working at all. o-o

[crisp moth]

Boop beep

[past vapor]

yes we know

[gloomy sequoia]

-hissssss-

[worn finch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[whole lodge]

Gib the new VRChat video update

[gloomy sequoia]

-long hiss-

[cold ibex]

Hi anyone wanna be friends;) 😉 😉

[gloomy sequoia]

-insert more hissing-

[modern sand]

Let's keep non vrchat related stuff to the other channels please, especially hissing noises.

[pseudo dawn]

I guess VRChat just went down.

Or it was my Internet.

[ruby needle]

how can so many people not notice #announcements

[crisp moth]

I know right

[trim hamlet]

Tell me about it 🤦

[limpid river]

@ruby needle the ping was just here no everyone

[ruby needle]

doesnt matter

[cold ibex]

We don’t have the Notifications on yikes

[crisp moth]

Well, there is a difference

[ruby needle]

a normal person that wants to come here and wants to find out if something is wrong with the servers

[limpid river]

really ? i thouth here just pinged the people online at the moment

[gloomy sequoia]

I am not even really that scared about it or anything. Some friends still have theirs and are dragging me around.

[ruby needle]

would look at the announcements if it has a message

or not?

or am i asking for too much logic thinking?

[limpid river]

if there is no notification the channel get lost in the many others

bugs is more prominet than announcements

[ruby needle]

its way more down in the channel list

[limpid river]

yeah but i have the list scrolled down to the channels i use

not saying what you say is not logical but i can understnad that some miss it

[worldly mica]

Hooray they fixed it!

[gloomy sequoia]

Do you have to restart?

Got it.

[crisp moth]

I believe the problem has been fixed.

[vocal shard]

bazzinga

[crisp moth]

Boom

[vocal shard]

boom u gae

[zinc plank]

hey im new here and i was wondering how do i use the key bindings on a pc desktop i have models that have the functions but i have no idea how to do the face emotes

[covert chasm]

Press left or right shift (for left or right hand) and F1-F8 @zinc plank

[fast bronze]

Anyone know why or how I'd be having soundspace issues in every game I play with my vive

As in I hear things opposite where they are

Voices in vrchat and sounds in fallout vr

I'd not ask here if it wasn't impacting vrchat as well

It's like my soundspace is out of phase 180 deg

And no the headphones aren't on backwards that would only account for the left and right swap not the front back

[safe prism]

do you have windows audio spatialization on

[cedar vine]

When vrchat lags on your stupid laptop pc 😔

[vocal shard]

[willow knot]

quick question!

i created an alt for a model i commissioned but i didn't know i had to play on it first to upload it there sdklfjsd

how long do i have to play on it exactly before i can upload models

[covert chasm]

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

[willow knot]

how long is some time though? a few hours?

[safe prism]

just play on it regularly and you'll get it

figuring out the exact time is impossible

[willow knot]

i tried to log into the account to play on it but it said "unauthorized"

[worn walrus]

Is there anyway to delete my vrchat completly up to the point where when I reinstall it, it's a fresh first time start up. What I want is to uninstall everything, and when I open it up be in the tutorial for VRChat.

[ocean arch]

I really hate server crashers

talked to one straight in the face after seeing them crash an entire server and one of their friends said they don't care if they get banned because they'll do it over and over again

[vocal shard]

Truly the cancer of this game

[ocean arch]

yep

[fading owl]

one guy said he just gets around the bans using vpn

[ocean arch]

yeah

Also the guy mentioned that their avatars somehow bypass the anti-crash system that VRChat has, which I cannot be sure how legitimate that statement is. Still a pretty dick move either way

[slow olive]

I don't see how those pricks are having any fun

[vocal shard]

Yeah, tupper mentioned something how there's a new method they're crashing with, and they're trying to work on fixing it

[slow olive]

Just going around ruining other peeps fun

[ocean arch]

I hope they'll fix it soon

these guys seem to not care and are persistent in finding a way to get around it

[vocal shard]

Power trip for a weak mind. Lol

[ocean arch]

mhmm

[bitter bone]

Every time I close VRChat it leaves like 7 lingering processes that I have to close in order to play any other VR games

One of these days I'm just gonna write a voice activated program to kill them all lol

[fading owl]

@bitter bone what, thats the first time ive ever heard of that issue

[bitter bone]

Every single time ever since I started playing the game

I have "Steamtours.exe" stuck open

"SteamVR Webhelper.exe"

3 of those

[fading owl]

Thats not Vrchat tho 😂

[bitter bone]

it is

[fading owl]

Thats from Steamvr

[bitter bone]

Because only VRchat does it

No other game does it

pavlov doesn't, and that's bought on steam

[fading owl]

For me it opens the Stupid vive store everytime 🤷🏻

but yeah... even if they are from vrchat

they should close after the game is closed

but steamvr webhelper is certainly not from vrc

[ancient kayak]

oof

[grand zealot]

http://puu.sh/B7YSs/1ad453ac04.png

Why was this world struck with a ToS violation?

[limpid river]

sounds like you have avatars that are protcted by copyright

[meager solstice]

copy right?

[grand zealot]

/explain

Because if this world is going to be struck with a violation, you guys may aswell remove everyones avatars.

Not only that, but you should ban all of us.

[true sky]

meaning that the person who originally made the model may not want their work redistributed

maybe a model in the world was previously DMCA'd at some point

[grand zealot]

I mean, most of the VRChat community uses models that aren't permitted to be used in this game.

[true sky]

first time i saw that

[limpid river]

it could also be that you use a picture as background that is copyrighted.

[grand zealot]

It's also odd how this is the only world that's been struck, when there's SO many out there that also use models that aren't permitted in this game.

It's not my world btw

It's a friend of mines.

[limpid river]

most likely vrchat has got complains and need to check for a certain copyright or maybe the one who checked the map owns the copyright or knows the owner directly

[stark olive]

i just want to upload this goddamn avatar

And I'm going to be angry until I can

reeeeeeescreech.mp3

[true sky]

@grand zealot At least its not like this room: https://i.imgur.com/3vKRaA1.png

[grand zealot]

'barred'

what

[stark olive]

"prevented"

[grand zealot]

I dunno but I'm sort of pissed

[true sky]

i would recommend asking them to email [e-mail] and they can see why it was hit with a ToS Violation

[grand zealot]

Friend spent alot of time on this world and he's prolly banned now, if he violated the so called 'ToS' lul

[true sky]

barred = never can make a public world again

rip

not sure how they get barred from it unless they violated the ToS soo many times

[stark olive]

man, I wanted to jump in VRchat fucking hours ago

but i can;t upload this goddamn avatar

[true sky]

do you have access to upload avatars?

[stark olive]

apparently not

[fading owl]

@stark olive have you just started playing?

[stark olive]

just started fucking with custom avatars, been on VRchat for some time

[fading owl]

hmmm

could you send me a pic of your vrc_setting panel thingy

in unity

[stark olive]

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/voodoocurse/iQnF.png

[limpid river]

@grand zealot "- Terms of Service violations will incur a 1 week penalty until next review.

• If a world violating the Terms of Service is submitted repeatedly by the same user, the user may suffer moderation action."

he is not banned yet

[grand zealot]

mm

[stark olive]

yet

[limpid river]

your friend could invite others to the world. sometimes it is easier to see problems when you have no prior knowledge

[stark olive]

ain't that the damn truth

[fading owl]

@stark olive you have to play more vrchat

Youre not allowed yet

[pliant roost]

What happened to the lag free box?

[vocal shard]

Is it gone? Or what?
(Haven't been on)

[limpid river]

@pliant roost Maybe they have updated it. Then it is private until it is approved again. There is a map called "Lag Box" that is waiting for approval maybe that is the one ?

[pliant roost]

possibly i had to re look it back up pbut its back it dissappered for about an hour for me

[swift shadow]

Strange that half of my friends were vanish in my list

[vocal shard]

I think it's a glitch. Multiple people have reported the same thing

[swift shadow]

So I have to friend them again

[vocal shard]

still didnt get fixed, huh ?

[swift shadow]

..

Yep

[vocal shard]

they are probably going to get back

when it stop being scuffed

but you can add them again if you wish

they didnt remove you, right ?

[swift shadow]

Yeah

I re added them

My other friends said" how did I remove you?"

[ruby needle]

dont worry about the "Lag free" box gone tho

a empty world with nothing in it and streight sight is the worst you can do

[vocal shard]

also it's not that "lag free"

the player limit is way too high

[ruby needle]

yes player ammount it the big issue

[vocal shard]

it gets laggy with 15+ people no matter what you do

[limpid river]

didn't it also have a mirror that was not toggalbe and refelced everything ?

[ruby needle]

that would be more then stupid

[vocal shard]

no, it got alot of mirror options

[slow olive]

I believe it was toggleable

[limpid river]

i haven't been there in quite some time so i could be wrong

[slow olive]

As of last weekend it was.

Is as much as I can guarantee lol

[ruby needle]

i yet have to understand why these worlds are so booming when they are bad and not lag free at all

[slow olive]

Probably peeps like me, new to VR Chat and hopping in active worlds

That's how I ended up there.

[ruby needle]

but wouldn't you want to go to worlds that have something in them. and not a big empty room that performs like crap? 😄

[limpid river]

it is enough when just a few belive then to be lag free. they give credit to the claim and other will belive it too

[vocal shard]

you go where there is most people, since it's the most fun to talk to people

[slow olive]

Lol definitely. I just also was curious what it was about and why it existed.

[vocal shard]

random worlds that are really good and fun to be in is not that easy to find

[slow olive]

Didn't know if there WAS a good reason 😂😂

But yeah, it was one of the more active worlds.

[rough pulsar]

So back in the older days of vrchat, you could hang out in a public instance and have a mostly private conversation.
For a while.
Eventually someone else would turn up, then a friend would join them, then friends would join them and eventually you'd be in the most populated instance without having to do anything at all.

It's basically that, but on a larger and longer lasting scale.

[slow olive]

Yeah exactly that. I have had the most fun so far popping into active worlds and bullshitting with random groups.

[modern oyster]

should in steel and gold the 2 avatars private to vrchat ?

[shy nest]

🤔

[modern oyster]

🤔

[vocal shard]

[modern sand]

I think i know what you mean

[modern oyster]

[vocal shard]

i don't

it doesnt make any sense for me

[modern oyster]

the last time i was there and i tried to pick it there stand exclusive for vrchat

[modern sand]

You got a notification ?

[grave dagger]

Any Idea When The Next Update Will Hit? It Has Been A While

[modern sand]

I can tell you it'll hit when it's ready

[distant charm]

Soon™

[grave dagger]

I Figured As Much. Was Just Curious Is All

Some Of Them Might Be On Vacation So It Is Understandable

[modern oyster]

@modern sand https://i.imgur.com/j6AyoP9.jpg this i got

[vocal shard]

Why do you put an uppercase letter for every word ?

[grave dagger]

Bad Habit

[modern sand]

@modern oyster I'll look into it, thanks !

[modern oyster]

no problem ^^

[south mist]

Putting Uppercase Letters In Every Single Word I Type Is Clearly The Way To Go

[slow olive]

I'm convinced it's just to rustle jimmies

[grave dagger]

Its part of a character and ive done it too much and do it without realising it 😭

[slow olive]

That's what they all say.

[grave dagger]

Its like those Knuckles that still speak with an accent even after switching because theyve been doing it too long

Speaking of which, I've been running into them more recently, are they coming back? 🚨

[slow olive]

I sure hope not.

I've seen a good amount as well lol

[grave dagger]

Compared to some of the new shit going around, they almost seem wholesome now

[slow olive]

True that. Though I would rather everyone just make new jokes haha

No crashing douches and new jokes, a man can dream.

[grave dagger]

Well, this is the internet, gotta keep your expectations low

[slow olive]

Also true that. You got me there.

Anything but knuckles though

[grave dagger]

Guess we'll see. Its encouraging at least seeing the active users almost back to 7k

[ruby needle]

if you want a flat character crush one axis

[modern sand]

Set the z axis to 0.001

on the scale

[hard cedar]

Just recently reached 700+ hours on VRChat,

[cold talon]

700 get

[hard cedar]

lol

[south mist]

i only have 91

[vocal shard]

558 hours for me oof

the most i saw is 2.2k hours

[modern sand]

If i could add my pre steam hours, i'd be easily above that i think

[south mist]

Every 2nd world i join has like 2 people with the baldi avatar wtf

[north axle]

Does anyone esle's VRC client crash every time on launch?

[south mist]

Nope

[limpid river]

nope. you could try cleaning the cache. Do you use the default home ?

[north axle]

Home doesn't have anything to do with this. I launch VRC and it stops responding without even showing me the "Loading" message or anything at all except the white screen.

[mental verge]

do a restart of your pc

[north axle]

Yeah

[modern sand]

@modern oyster The steel and gold avatars are now public again, thanks for letting us know !

[modern oyster]

no problem ^^

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

Hey! I just got my Vive pro today, I set it up and its all good to go, but I cant seem to get the audio to go through the headphones that are built in xc

Can anyone help?

[inner cape]

Did you switch the output device?

[vocal shard]

yes. I tried all of the playback devices and none of them put sound into the headphones. Idk if there are sounds in VR steam home so I went into VR chat and kept opening up the menu to get that little noise. Nothing

Plus, I have two playback options that say VIve in it but when I look online at what their name is, its different than what I have

[inner cape]

You sure your menu sound isnt just turned down in the settings?

[vocal shard]

Well I sent the sound to my speakers and it worked fine

[inner cape]

Hmm

[vocal shard]

I tried turning up the volume with the control on the actual headset. Nothing

Am I suppose to have an audio wire going from the headset to the computer, or is it all just the one plug

because I did not see any audio jack lol

[inner cape]

Doubt that

Dont have vive to know exactly

So im just trying to think from the pc perspective

[vocal shard]

Everything else is working except the audio

[inner cape]

I can't think of anything then

Especially if its vives' problem, I can't help

[vocal shard]

rip xc well, thanks for trying

[modern sand]

Make sure it's not actually muted in the output config

in "levels"

[vocal shard]

God I hate getting used to windows 10 XD

[ruby needle]

i know your pain

[vocal shard]

ok so

Switching the sound to my normal headphones

I hear fine

For vive, there is Speakers: 2- vive pro multimedia audio

And Vive Pro: NVIDIA High definition audio

[modern sand]

https://i.gyazo.com/643b5464d05b97f09e69b191c616c918.png

Make sure that the top one isn't muted

and you can disable the high definition audio

[vocal shard]

Neither are muted

why is half your stuff in french ruuubick ?

[modern sand]

🤔

[coral vessel]

oof

[ruby needle]

le rüüübick

[vocal shard]

baguette

[ruby needle]

Svelsien no

why

[vocal shard]

don't worry about it

[modern sand]

too far

[vocal shard]

i got those all the time too

just because i know french

so which of those audio options is the right one?

[modern sand]

speakers

[vocal shard]

Alright

ya, nothing

[modern sand]

What are you steamvr audio settings ?

[vocal shard]

its set to change to those speakers when turned on

is there suppose to be any specific wires for audio for the Vive Pro?

Or is it just the one connection that goes into the box from the headset

anyone know of graal online?

[modern sand]

If everything is plugged in, there shouldn't be anything else to do

[ruby needle]

wrong place for that question @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

wtf

xc

one is for the monitor, one is for power, one is a USB

All of them are plugged in. From what I can see, there is nothing muted or turned down in volume

Is there somewhere I can go for support or something?

[ruby needle]

vive support is done trough steam i think

but you might wanna hit the net for a little bit before that

try restarting the PC if you havent allready

[vocal shard]

I can try restarting the pc. But everything you guys have told me is basically what I have found online. My only issue online is it talks about a specific audio cable and audio jack

But I am guessing that is just for the normal and not the pro as i didn't get one of those cables

[ruby needle]

the normal vive has no audio gear includet but a socket

tho, the pro has the earpieces so yeah, it doesnt have any other stuff

[vocal shard]

Maybe I should just remove the headphones and use my normal ones

[ruby needle]

no

more cables

dont give up

[vocal shard]

I gotta go out. I will turn off my pc and try it again once more when I get back. If not, if I cant get it to work after that, then idk XD

thanks for trying to help guys

[ruby needle]

[ivory tendon]

could i get a real quick answer to an emote question

[outer sun]

So quick question I have played vrchat in my steam account and am I mistaken that time played in steam will not transfer to the unity sdk?

[ruby needle]

no time does not transfere

obviously

tho it doesnt matter

as time is not the factor you are looking for anyway

[outer sun]

Hmm then is it more actions in game?

[ruby needle]

yes

[outer sun]

Oh so generally not being blocked or muted and just keep following the rules as the norm?

[ruby needle]

nobody knows the real factors except the devs but yeah

kinda like that

[outer sun]

Alright

[polar jasper]

Please don't link to that website here.

[hybrid zenith]

mk

where can I?

[polar jasper]

No where. That site is banned from this server

[hybrid zenith]

Ohhh

[polar jasper]

You can use the name of the model

[hybrid zenith]

Kk

Just trying to figure out if the Monika model was in a world somewhere

[polar jasper]

It's Monika, so it most likely will be

[hybrid zenith]

Well its 30k so I don't think it would be.

isnt a over 30k model a ban?

[ruby needle]

it can but thats what decimation is for

[hybrid zenith]

the desc said it looked ugly so oof

• I dont even know how to decimate

[ruby needle]

look up tutorials that shot how to properly do it

and no, that is not the ones that use the cats button to decimate

[hybrid zenith]

I'd rather just not have it

[vocal shard]

Yo im stuck at loading 100 percent trying to join a friend
and when it reaches 100 it restarts loading
it does this 4-6 times then kicks me back home

[ruby needle]

try the steps ion #vrchat-support

[zinc solar]

I really don't like how deviant art model creators are getting upset with the VRChat community...
I can't argue with them, people steal their models without crediting, and in return some will charge for commisions on free models they get from deviant art that the deviants worked on. =3=

[limpid river]

but ?

[zinc solar]

Just saw a deviant say they're quitting because the VRC community uses their artistic models and making it look like a joke from screenshots they showed

[limpid river]

oh i think i missunderstood what you meant

[zinc solar]

I don't know, I think people should respect the models they use and credit them properly, I rarely see people credit the ACTUAL creators of models, or at least the assets they used to make the models

[ruby needle]

yes

[limpid river]

i agree with that 100%

one of the easiest ways to do so is to add a link and or name to the background of the avatar pic

[ruby needle]

the issue is not only crediting too

but using models that are not to be used on vrchat

i would claim that over 50% of all mmd models are not allowed for vrchat

since so many base on tda stuff in the mmd world

[limpid river]

yes i think the basic issue is the respect for the work the creators did

tda ?

[ruby needle]

yes

[limpid river]

what is that

[vocal shard]

TDA is a creator for MMD

[ruby needle]

you could say its THE creator for mmd

[limpid river]

ah okay

[vocal shard]

a lot of people are using his bases for MMD model

[ruby needle]

yeah

[vocal shard]

that's why you call it a TDA base

[ruby needle]

yup

or at least ather parts

[limpid river]

never worked with base models

[ruby needle]

if you get a model that uses tda stuff tho

[vocal shard]

some of them are pretty good

[ruby needle]

then you have the same problem

cus you gotta respect the usage rights

[vocal shard]

i recently learned that you have Morph Bases

it got shape key that allows you to adjust the size of legs, arms, neck, chest, legs, etc

[limpid river]

i suppose tda has the same license that a lot of mmd models have ? only use with MikuMikuDance software

[ruby needle]

exactly

[limpid river]

it is the same with the bird avatar that is so commen you are not aloud to edit or redistribute it eiter, nehtertheless many create their variant of them

[ruby needle]

yes

and exactlythat is the issue

people dont care about licenses and usage rights

some go as far as saying they can do waht they want cus its just digital data

like... god one

[limpid river]

which is shit. when i started all you had to do to get a model from devianart was to ask and most would glady give it

[ruby needle]

yeah

now a lot dont allow it or have removed it and are angry because of that

[limpid river]

i wait for the day someone pisses of a big company that start a few hundert copyright jawsuits

[ruby needle]

also technically if you upload to vrchat you are redistributing the model which a lot dont allow, and you state every single time that you are allwed to

anyone ever red the thing which you need to check when you up load for every single time?

yup, thats there.

not that many players couldn't care less

you just have to look at the polygon thing

so many players dont give a damn that they should optimize and decimate their models but insted edit their SDK

AND! now the fun part

they get mad if you even mention that it could get them banned

[limpid river]

about that i was never quite sure is using a model just for yourself redistributing ? uploading a world with pedestal would be

[ruby needle]

you upload it to vrchats servers

which is distributing and everyone in your room downloads it when ever you join

it would at least be dark grey area

but if that is not distributing, then what is it?

[limpid river]

yeah is the old is streaming the same as having a copy of a illegal film

issue

[ruby needle]

nonononono

with streaming you only get bits and never complete original files (unless you log them but that is making it a download)

here you completely download the files tho

cus you need them to load the model in

[limpid river]

i though the debate was about a temporal copy vs a constant one

[ruby needle]

i dunno

i mean, we're all in different countries to so

[limpid river]

i think this is geting away from the original issue a bit

[ruby needle]

yes

unfortunately i dont see it changing

people will never care

unless you hunt them and give them consequences

which is why i personally dont like that the polygon circumvention is tolerated

[limpid river]

yeah i got you

[ruby needle]

yes, it does not hurt and polygons are not the performance factor but they are breaking rules without getting any concequence