So I've played VR chat for a few minutes and it's got to be one of the hardest games I have ever played
#vrchat-general-2
dim schooner
stone current
yes
tranquil vortex
How is it hard
dim schooner
Whenever I say hi to someone either they walk away or never talk to me
stone current
ur 2 young 2 understand
stone current
play deathrun and get lit
tranquil vortex
mfw you have a game full of introverts
dim schooner
^^^
tranquil vortex
mfw you complain about how no one talks
dim schooner
oof
stone current
mfw u complain about complaining
tranquil vortex
mfw you're part of the problem
stone current
dim schooner
mfw mfw
stone current
arrows
tranquil vortex
maymay arrowz
stone current
-->
dim schooner
.<
tranquil vortex
Okay, but yeah
stone current
Ryūjin no ken who kūrae
tranquil vortex
Because it's not real life, just go around and fuck with other people and start up random ass conversations
cold talon
<^>V all the arrows
tranquil vortex
They don't know who you are, they see you as an avatar not as you
stone current
so
tranquil vortex
Chances are you'll never se em again
stone current
u can get trap lap dances
dim schooner
oof
tranquil vortex
W...what?
dim schooner
I want one
tranquil vortex
Where?
stone current
lol
cold talon
Everybody knows that avatars are a representation of the actual person behind it
stone current
u can find a waifu
grab a virtual anime bodypillow
cold talon
dim schooner
there are special...maps
stone current
hangout house isnt a special map
cold talon
S p e c i a l
tranquil vortex
Share these maps
dim schooner
not for the body pillows
tranquil vortex
Do it meow
dim schooner
no
cold talon
Oh than im out
stone current
dim schooner
😩 🔫
cold talon
stone current
y u killing emojis
dim schooner
💀 💥
cold talon
Noon
tranquil vortex
Why grab pillow tiddies when you can grab virtual vr tiddies
dim schooner
I don have vr ;_;
cold talon
amen
tranquil vortex
N...no?
dim schooner
cold talon
Self touch or bad touch
dim schooner
yes
tranquil vortex
I'mma have a dynamic bone after see all those dynamic bones moving
cold talon
Oh my
stone current
cold talon
stone current
two shot
cold talon
REEEEEEEE
dim schooner
I found some guys with an avatar that allowed him to spawn a void of hentai for everyone to see
stone current
i saw a tracer avatar beat deathrun in 15 seconds
cold talon
One and a half and w good 
tranquil vortex
I can only insert and I'm done
cold talon
How is it a void if it fill wit henhen?
stone current
sounds like a personal problem
dim schooner
You guys wanna hear a joke?
tranquil vortex
The problem is that ur gay lmaooo
dim schooner
🔌 🚶
cold talon
K lol
tranquil vortex
cold talon
ahaaaaaaaah
tranquil vortex
The fuck is the plug for
stone current
u
dim schooner
plug walk
cold talon
tranquil vortex
cold talon
stone current
no getting moist in the halls
dim schooner
15 second detention for you
tranquil vortex
dim schooner
when will you leeeaaarrrrn
stone current
your parents will hear about this one
dim schooner
no u
cold talon
blocked detention
stone current
who said sanix
dim schooner
stone current
cold talon
Faster than the speed of sound 
dim schooner
dim schooner
and invitation to fuck off plz
tranquil vortex
I feel like we could have a good time if we all vrchatted rn
tranquil vortex
I cant
stone current
totesretar
tranquil vortex
I'm at work
cold talon
dim schooner
rip
tranquil vortex
I get off in about 6 hours
stone current
🅱
dim schooner
oooof
dim schooner
kk
stone current
dim schooner
Ok I changed my username to my vrchat username
dim schooner
wym
ebon shard
oof ep 23 is gud shit
tranquil vortex
Shish
dim schooner
23 of what
tranquil vortex
I need to watch it
ebon shard
who knows
stone current
🗃
dim schooner
im gonna add a new avatar for myself and then start playing
ebon shard
join the loli squad
stone current
i spent like an hour making neat animations work for vrchat to say 'no loser not supported'
dim schooner
rip
ebon shard
im bout to spend hours tryna make a megumin explosion
the special effects they have in the anime are god tier
tranquil vortex
I should really close all my doujin tabs before work
wispy pike
How can I talk to the vrchat administrator?
I sent him an e-mail, but he did not confirm it.
stone current
y
wispy pike
I have an avatar issue.
Can you help me with it?
wispy pike
I have one bone, and there are two meshes that use it.
But I manage it separately.
My file is 'file with bone + mesh1 + mesh2.'(File0)
And the file with only bone + mesh1 (File1)
And the file with only bone + mesh2 (File2)
(All bones are the same. It is not another bone with the same value. It is really one bone.)
If I register File1 in this state, my eyes will move properly
But File2 does not work properly
This proves that my bone is no problem
I do not quite understand what my Mesh difference is.
All Mesh's name is 'Body'(It's not a copy, it's just one bone)
stone current
u dont need an admin just to help you fix an avatr
tranquil vortex
So what's the issue
wispy pike
I already using dev channels but nobody answere me
ebon shard
probably cause they dont know the fix
stone current
u need to use a single mesh named Body for it to work
vocal shard
Calm down with the N word, thanks.
stone current
it only works with a single mesh im sure
wispy pike
I say all mesh was 1 mesh and 'Body'
stone current
exactly
'u need to use a single mesh named Body for it to work'
that looks more like 2 different meshes
wispy pike
Read it carefully
wispy pike
I have 2 mesh but I put each mesh separately.
cold talon
tranquil vortex
Do you have CATS in blender
wispy pike
yes
ebon shard
i'd just join the 2 meshes
cold talon
Oh hey its man shen
tranquil vortex
Just manually select both meshes and stick em together
wispy pike
read carefully i 1more say
I have one bone, and there are two meshes that use it.
But I manage it separately.
My file is 'file with bone + mesh1 + mesh2.'(File0)
And the file with only bone + mesh1 (File1)
And the file with only bone + mesh2 (File2)
(All bones are the same. It is not another bone with the same value. It is really one bone.)
If I register File1 in this state, my eyes will move properly
But File2 does not work properly
This proves that my bone is no problem
I do not quite understand what my Mesh difference is.
All Mesh's name is 'Body'(It's not a copy, it's just one bone)
I upload just File1 and File2
tranquil vortex
Right, so just make it one big file?
wispy pike
yes
tranquil vortex
With one bone
wispy pike
wait a minute
tranquil vortex
Or make it 🅱oneless
@stone current you know your way around making models and adding props and shit right?
stone current
what
ebon shard
im pretty good with that too
tranquil vortex
Like, adding props in shit and sound
ebon shard
yeah
wispy pike
tranquil vortex
You mind helping a bit when I can upload my avi?
ebon shard
shen is the problem that the mesh isnt moving with the bone
wispy pike
NO
ebon shard
idk what you're trying to say
tranquil vortex
I want to mess around with props and sounds later
ebon shard
and yeah valley i can help
stone current
its not too difficult
wispy pike
mY FILE 1 AND FILE2 WAS PERFECT
BUT FILE1'S EYETRACKING WAS GOOD
BUT FILE2 WAS NOT
tranquil vortex
Cool, I don't know when I'll be able to submit Avis tho
wispy pike
Eye tracking issue
stone current
u can just create audio objects and gameobjects then u can parent them to the bone u want
not too difficult
u can activate/deactivate in animator
ebon shard
then use cats eye tracking again
wispy pike
they have same bone.
but file1 can eye tracking
but file 2 can not eye tracking
tranquil vortex
My dude. I just want to make sure my avi isn't shit for now
wispy pike
i try many time and check everything
ebon shard
ye im pretty sure
tranquil vortex
Cool, the model I'm using was a bitch to get into unity, but I got it
I just want to do eye-tracking if it isn't already enagled
wispy pike
I rearranged my problem.
I applied the skin weight perfectly
In Unity, eyes move perfectly.
stone current
does it have the correct blend shapes for blinking and stuff
stone current
doesnt exist
wispy pike
?
tranquil vortex
Sorry, I didn't copy everything
vocal shard
everytime i joined a world i keep getting booted to my home world
tranquil vortex
ebon shard
senpai pretty sure thats server issues
tranquil vortex
The main problem I had, was with XNALara and blender
Because I already had another program that was using python to a different location
So when I try to load up XNALara, it kept bugging out and not working
ebon shard
never used xnalara but wouldnt it be better to just directly import it into blender
tranquil vortex
That's the problem, I couldn't
I needed xnaLara to do so
Which, eventually got working and it took me like 2 or 3 hours of troubleshooting to figure out why
Once I imported using xnalara, was a piece of cake to get it over to Unity
Now, the only problem I have now is the shaders, the standard Shader looks a little shity
ebon shard
tried cubeds shaders?
tranquil vortex
No. Not yet
ebon shard
i'd try that first and theres dozens of shaders online
tranquil vortex
The standard Shader makes it to that the text on the models torso isn't readable
And that's uncompressed and everything
stone current
probably due to exporting
ebon shard
applying the maps might help you read it better
stone current
for some reason some importers will read texture data in lower qualities
tranquil vortex
When I run it as "Unlit texture" it's perfectly readable
tranquil vortex
Shit, let me see
Unlit :https://i.imgur.com/8OOIG8x.png
Standard: https://i.imgur.com/dc6FctW.png
Plus it has a gay wierd shine to it
And the standard has normalmaps and a heightmap
ebon shard
cubeds does too
vocal shard
if you get kick too many times can u get ban?
tranquil vortex
Is it as bad as standard?
ebon shard
i mean the maps basically just add depth and such
tranquil vortex
Yes, right
ebon shard
if its bad to begin with adding maps wont make it perfect
tranquil vortex
And it's working as intended
It's not the maps that's causing it
Even without the normal Maps, it still had a weird shine to it
ivory folio
not directly no, but if you are constantly being kicked, it might flag something in the system @vocal shard
tranquil vortex
I'll still mess around with the shaders later tonight
stone current
it might be the normal maps @tranquil vortex
u can try making it emboss the text or try erasing the normals for the text
but it makes it 'bumpy'
tranquil vortex
I'll give that a shot, I'll load it up in Gimp or maybe I can just lower the amount it's being effected by
tranquil vortex
I think I've currently got it set to like .2
stone current
and then on normal map u can see where it is
cuz its UV mapped same way as regular texture
tranquil vortex
Yeah, I've got the all the maps on the folder
UV?
I've seen that, and it's between UV 1 and UV 0
stone current
(U,V) are the 2 dimensional coordinates that represent how a texture maps to a 3d model
and what i meant was they are mapped to the mesh in the same places
so if u overlay the texture on top u can see where the text would be
tranquil vortex
Ooohh..
OKOK
that makes sense
How would eye tracking work
Since the model automatically detected blinking
Straight up, this talk has been really informative
tranquil vortex
Eye bones
Okay, I have no idea how to add new bones
I guess I'll look for a video on how to do it
I'm still pretty new to the whole blender Unity thing
stone current
u dont use unity
again the CATS plugin already does all this junk
if u rlly care u would need to make ur own bones by extruding them from the head bone then u would need to weight paint the eyes
stone current
quiet prawn
Well technically you do still need to make and paint the eye bones.
stone current
no
quiet prawn
I'd rather not.
umbral reef
Wrong channel bud
stone current
besides #shameless-self-promotion
tranquil vortex
Ahhh
umbral reef
quiet prawn
Too many streamers as is
stone current
umbral reef
That second is only if he is live
stone current
no n word u b0rk and theres utube
tranquil vortex
Just TeamViewer my pc
umbral reef
Google the shit man
Plenty of tutorials out there
tranquil vortex
I know...
But I seeing it hands on helps
It can't be that hard... right?
Now that I think about it... The model already had specific eye parts
Since the eyes use their own material
ebon shard
using the CATs fix model should automatically add eye bones
stone current
theres different ways to do it and theres different tutorials for the individual parts required for assembly
tranquil vortex
Hmm, alright.
I'll have to fuck with it aren't I?
Oh man, I just remembered something
To select the eyes, I got to move the goggles out of the way
stone current
u can just hide it or put it in another blender layer
fervent crypt
Im i only one who gets kicked out of the world every 10 minutes?
stone current
tranquil vortex
Maybe connection?
fervent crypt
i check,my connection is fine
it's just so annoying
some of my friend have the same issue
tacit plank
I wish VRChat had better logging and debugging, etc
With the current system, we don't know why you were kicked, it could be something timing out, but it could also be other things
ocean bramble
@fervent crypt Try to check the game files with steam
stone current
tranquil vortex
Hmm... I wonder if I can import world of tanks models...
kindred glacier
connection issues
twin vessel
have fun rigging it
vocal shard
dawn scroll
How do i add dynamic bones
twin vessel
like a spacesuit
but automatic weighting just refused to work
and i did not feel like manually doing every vertex group
right.
iron thunder
Is there a way to change the resolution of the desktop version?
willow knot
where would i go to inquire about 3d model commissions? o:
ebon shard
vrctraders discord
willow knot
oh cool, thanks!
fleet ice
beware, a group of stupid crashers is traveling through the worlds, if you see someone wth the name "Pets", block him 😉
shy nest
👀 how are you alive
shy nest
was it a vr user?
versed gust
uhh
it looked like it yeah
i screen capped him
he swapped to his ggo deathgun character and shot me in the head outa no where
tbh it was kinda cool
shy nest
thought so, from what ive seen there has been a rise in vr users adding crash related shit to their avatars
still palm
so i have the latest amd driver for my video card and i still got the notification when i log in about outdated drivers? wtf any help?
versed gust
i wouldn't know much about that, i just use nividia to keep my stuff up
covert chasm
What GPU do you have?
still palm
R7
shy nest
hacking is too "low" for them but crashing people is totally "fine" and they'll generally get mad if you compare them to each other, well in one case for me anyway 
still palm
i downloaded the auto detect and it sid that i have the latest driver
i don't know why i the message shows up
still palm
but is good to have isn't?
covert chasm
Yep
shy nest
"It isn't a required update yet"
narrow iron
How do I report somone for stealing my avatars???????????
tacit plank
#moderation-reports In here
still palm
@covert chasm i still getting the message.
covert chasm
With 18.6.1 Optional?
Double check you have that version. If you do, restart and try again.
covert chasm
Alrighty, check out #vrchat-support and shoot us an email with your logs if the help steps don't work.
still palm
wtf
wait a moment
i installed the version you sent me
but i still have 18.5.1
wtf
i will try one more time.
narrow iron
lool This game is trash Someone just stole an avatar that took me 4 days to make! lolololol im so pissed
dim aurora
its going to happen. theres no way to stop it.
narrow iron
@covert chasm When will we see a patch that fixes the stealing of private avatars!?!? Took me 4 days of work just to see a random dick head to steal it!
still palm
Driver Packaging Version
18.10.16-180516a-328911C-RadeonSoftwareAdrenalin
ebon shard
apparently someone made a vrc name trigger to help prevent this
narrow iron
Ya wanna know whats more annoying?
When people steal your avatars that took 4 days to make lol
covert chasm
@narrow iron If you can, submit a moderation report with whatever information you might have. Screenshots and output logs are best.
Unfortunately, the issue is not something that can simply be fixed with a single patch-- and no matter what, content is always going to be able to be ripped from the app. We can only make it harder.
narrow iron
@covert chasm I did and put in a link to a tweet that i sent
covert chasm
@still palm Follow the steps in #vrchat-support and send us an email with your logs, if you don't mind 😃
ebon shard
oh shit i think i know a way to protect models from being copied
if you use something like toggleprops you can make it so you have to put it a specific chain of emotes in order to access the character
ie doing something like wave, dance then die and it would enable the model
and you'd just be putting a toggle props inside a toggle props inside a toggleprops with all the avatar components
narrow iron
I'm gonna have to delete my a avatar. Its gonna hurt
ebon shard
you can copy it though and reupload
narrow iron
Oh im dumb lol
I should of updated the avatar with a sign that says I STOLE THIS AVATAR REPORT ME
ebon shard
dang the model has to be unhidden to publish in the first place
gotta think of a way to still do it using onoff and offon switches ;/
using an automatic animation should help tho
thorny totem
@ebon shard "Yo dawg i heard you like toggleprops, so i made a toggleprop so you can make toggleprops inside a toggleprop so you can make a toggleprop inception" :P
ebon shard
you can make 8 toggle props for the strongest password
maximum protection
right now i think i got it to work
thorny totem
and then they donwload your model and circumvent it and you're back to square one ;)
hasty wedge
OMEGALUL
hasty wedge
its free entertainment
ebon shard
they will end up deleting everything
rn i got it to work but it reverts back to itself after a second
dunno what im doing wrong
i finally got something thats workable
the avatar flashes on and off
not my intention but albeit better
thorny totem
loop is a thing
ebon shard
now i gotta actually test ingame
i have it on loop tho
its off entirely vs flashing on and off
thorny totem
it's your flash issue maybe? the loop
ebon shard
i kinda like the flashing more
its enabling and disabling the model constantly
forgot to disable the actual stolen model notification
cant publish an empty game object ;/
white berry
would anyone be willing to put together a few models for me? i can't get anyone to help in VRC Traders.
thorny totem
If you mean for free, you'll have a hard time, but hey cost nothing to ask right
white berry
I might pay someone once i get a paypal account or whatever.
But honestly this seems like a simple enough task that i can probably do but i don't understand, though, i would rather have someone do one on screenshare with me to show me how it's done so i can do the rest.
thorny totem
you have some premium tutorials out there if you can't commission
white berry
May you link one?
thorny totem
no, but a google goes a long way -> "vrchat making avatars - videos"
Tupper made some
ebon shard
not sure if i got it to work but hey i can fly now as a byproduct ;/
thorny totem
be carreful not to be banned or blocked for that ;) it could be mistaken for a cheat
ebon shard
especially since it says in red "this model is stolen, please report anyone seen using this model"
thorny totem
risky yes
wispy pike
somebody help me
I want to rigging with 3dmax.
But at the same time I want to edit it as cats
(I do not want this, but others who use my model want it)
Is this possible?
When I rig in 3dmax and move it through fbx, cats gets an error
thorny totem
seems to happen when you use the stock Max Biped i don't see why though, naming conventions, bones structures? maybe. Rig it manually in Max taking into account the Blender Cats armature recommandations? (i don't use cats though i don't know what are the specifics) @wispy pike
wispy pike
I manually made it through bone.
It worked, but it caused problems in eye tracking.
I'll show you a screenshot.
thorny totem
oh yes i remember you
wispy pike
I can fix this manually, but when I give it to someone else, he can not modify the eyetracking value. I hope this can simplify eye tracking modifications like other mmd models
thorny totem
messed up indeed, it's either the bones structures/the naming convention or both? have to dig on how the cats script works for the tracking
wispy pike
I have matched not only its name, but also the direction of the bones, and the Hierarchy structure
thorny totem
inverted X/Y?
wispy pike
when setting invert x/y?
grave mesa
So ... is there more to this thing than being insulted and told to shut up if you use the wrong avatar? Or being told to shut up if you aren't part of the room clique. Or being told to leave if you use a voice changer of any kind?
wispy pike
Once I have downloaded the basic model provided by vrchat.
I have matched my bone structure to its bone structure.
grave mesa
Feels a lot like the AOL chats of the old days, but with jiggle phsyics.
I met some nice folks in my first couple of weeks, but it's like I got moved to another server filled with angry kids now.
thorny totem
hmmm, the numbers of idiots didn't decreased since the AOL era i'm afraid ;)
wispy pike
I suffered very much with this.
grave mesa
The old AOL kids grew up, but they made new ones, didn't they? Darnit.
thorny totem
probably :P
grave mesa
Also, I am stupid when it comes to designing models. So I have no helpful input to offer. My apologies.
thorny totem
if they're not happy no need to say anything, the block/mute button are here for a reason i guess
grave mesa
It does bum me out that there is so much hostility, though. I had started saving up for an Oculus Rift and then I kept running into rude unfriendly people and client crashers almost hourly.
Anyway, that's my daily quota of whining overdone by about four posts.
arctic trellis
has anyone experienced not being able to drop portals in maps?
thorny totem
there is no solution to fix people yet :P, so stay friendly and move on to the next world if the "too much limit" is crossed, you have 5600 ppl online right now, enough to keep you busy @grave mesa
wispy pike
What is the best way to solve my problem?
I went around all the web sites.
vrchat developer does not check my mail
thorny totem
i really think your best bet would be in the Cats discord
wispy pike
I wrote it there and hotox said it
'Well then I have no idea what's wrong'
thorny totem
how does the model look like in max? the face i mean
wispy pike
This is not yet Texture work
This is also visible in Blender.
It just causes problems with the structure of the bones.
And I do not want to modify this model.
I am worried about the way many create models work in the future.
thorny totem
which version of max and blender?
thorny totem
you've "xform" your model before export right?
wispy pike
yes.
wispy pike
not
I have been modeling Max for several years and I am in a related job.
I use Blender for the first time.
thorny totem
ok never hurt to ask happen to the best :P
wispy pike
yes
thorny totem
which options for the export?
wispy pike
fbx
thorny totem
have you tried an older fbx version?
wispy pike
2014
thorny totem
2014?
wispy pike
yes
thorny totem
tried a recent one? 2016
wispy pike
If i build a model for vrchat and then plant the bones in it, is it the only way to plant the bones in the blender?
Is there no other way?
I hate Blender too much
thorny totem
(i hate it too :D) axis and UI being the main reasons .
wispy pike
Many 3d programs have a crazy interface (I like zbrush, but it's also very crazy)
blender right-click is 'object select'
It was crazy.
thorny totem
yes but with Zbrush the flexibility make you forget the UI :)
wispy pike
Yes. Fortunately I am familiar with Zbrush
just, If i just tells how to use zbrush to others, his reaction is expected.\
thorny totem
i wish Vrchat team made a comprehensive documentation for the eye tracking system, so everyone could replicate it properly whatever the cad software they're using, not just a script hidden in the cats tool
@wispy pike you've made your morphers in max too?
hasty wedge
theres a google document on how to do it manually somewhere here
thorny totem
you're talking about the one with visemes/blendshapes?
hasty wedge
no idea 
vocal shard
kane is typing...
thorny totem
well, haven't seen any yet other than this one, but hey i miss a lot of things :P
hasty wedge
maybe it is that one havent seen it in a while so forgot 
thorny totem
that's ok
vocal shard
who here friends+ master race
rough pulsar
@thorny totem https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W5KFa_aszCMrJaFD8mb9a-GHYO4X4S9M63GjM4UwuEw/pub
This doc runs through the viseme system, which is also required for eye tracking.
indigo fern
thorny totem
@rough pulsar thank you, yes that was the one i was talking about, it's Blender centric though. I know a cad is a cad, but for the eye tracking itself it seems to be a miss if you use anything else but blender
rough pulsar
I seem to recall that one of the weird requirements for eye tracking is the shape key order.
thorny totem
true, it's specified in the document if i'm not wrong
thorny totem
anyway i'm taking a position for MAN_SHEN -, without even seeing the model itself so, it's pure speculations for me ^^ @rough pulsar
vocal shard
yo can someone help me out sinse a mod wont help me
ivory folio
Did you overwrite an existing avatar instead of uploading it as a new one? @vocal shard
vocal shard
i over rote one all i did was change animations i had a friend show me how to do it but it just wont upload its my first upload
@ivory folio
ivory folio
And you're sure you're signing into your actual VRChat account in game and in Unity?
vocal shard
yep i had to go from steam to vrchat i waited 3 days and i just got access to upload but it just wont do it now it says its uploading and everything but wont work i can call you and screenshare if youd like
ivory folio
So its says that it uploaded successfully?
stark bridge
gonna do world hoppin in vr who wanna talk??
vocal shard
Does anyone know how long i have to wait before im authorized to Upload custom avatar to vr chat?
buoyant notch
anyone wanna play some vr chat?
ivory folio
there's no specific time, you just have to be active, making friends, visiting worlds, etc. Also, being afk won't help @vocal shard
burnt bobcat
I have played VR For at least 24 hours, but cant upload an avatar yet. I've gone around worlds and made friends.
thorny totem
burnt bobcat
If you start playing VRCHAT from steam will that make it go to the steam account or VRCHAT account?
ivory folio
you have to make a vrchat account
launching it from steam/launching the exe has no difference
burnt bobcat
so it will go to the vrc instead of steam?
ivory folio
no, if you want to play on a vrchat account, you have to make one in game
burnt bobcat
ok, i wanted to upload a avatar. learned i had to play more. thought i was just on the steam acoount by accident.
i have a vrc account already.
stone current
u can just log out and use ur vrchat one
inner cape
Ye
burnt bobcat
yeah, but when i open the game. it goes to the vrc account? as i have played that account last.
burnt bobcat
ok thanks 😄
mellow oyster
One question, have I been told that you can change the nick once a month, how do you do it?
mellow oyster
ty
ivory folio
I have an avatar and when I look up or down, my screen is covered by some part of my body, any ways to fix this?
thorny totem
change the view position? or are you talking about something else?
i mean if it's set to far in the "head" depending of your mesh it could interfere with your view. Also be sure that the part is not double sided or have normals pointing the wrong way. @ivory folio
Well it'll remain a mystery :)
ivory folio
Im using noenoe toon, I've tried turning off back face culling, still the same
Moving the viewball out makes it worse
modern sand
If it's part of the face, nothing you can do about it
thorny totem
i don't know that shader, but is it the same with a standard one?
Ruuubick is it a shader specific issue? curious now
ivory folio
I thought the head was supposed to go invisible or something?
thorny totem
it is but only if the normals are correct?
someone correct me if i'm wrong :)
do you mind taking some screenshots of the issue?
well let me take a screenshot to make my point
@ivory folio here, for example this one have 3 spikes '" just in front of the view ball, all are visible in the view https://pasteboard.co/HstsHsm.png , which is totally normal,
ivory folio
The normals were inverted to start but i fixed those
thorny totem
if i wanted to remove it from the view, i would either invert the normals of the faces facing the view, or move the ball (standard shader)
ivory folio
Im not at my pc right now, i'll send pics soon
thorny totem
ok (DM me if you want i'll probably be around in a few hours)
ivory folio
looking up: https://i.imgur.com/9pTzRd3.png
looking down: https://i.imgur.com/5OneNWF.png
the avatar: https://i.imgur.com/M4BXVGK.png
thorny totem
i see, yes depending where the pivot is on your head/neck the view ball could go inside your geometry (your head)
and if the shader is double sided well this is what you get
ivory folio
at the moment, the shader is back culled
thorny totem
you've talked about some normals you've changed before if i remember well
ivory folio
yeah they were originally inverted, but I fixed those
thorny totem
head area?
thorny totem
i suppose if all the meshes were selected
first could you try with a non exotic shader?
ivory folio
like what, just standard?
thorny totem
yes
ivory folio
hmm that seems to have done it
ivory folio
but I made the NoeNoe not double sided 🤔
thorny totem
a bug maybe
ivory folio
I'm gonna try a different version of noenoe, the one I was using had outline
and I even tried setting the outline to 0
thorny totem
worth a try, but can't help you with it not tested yet
ivory folio
well I'm trying the non outlined one now
ok it doesn't do it with the non outlined one
thorny totem
good news i guess :)
ivory folio
i want an outline though :<
thorny totem
maybe report the issue to the creator?
if it is an issue, could be a feature though
the next solution if you really want it would be to move the ball to something like 2x or 3x the actual distance, but yeah your viewpoint will be hmmm weird
ivory folio
yeah it's fine as it as, I'll just have to lose the outline
thorny totem
what is so special about this shader compared to cube?
thorny totem
l ol ok
ivory folio
I've not really used either before so I'm open to any other suggestions
thorny totem
here is your problem : "Opaque is the most basic option. It's double-sided and it'll cast shadows." "Outline is the same as Opaque..."
but yeah there is some cool options, but not sure they are relevant for your model, you should use cubed paradox
anyway glad you've found out, got to go, enjoy your cute avatar ;)
thorny totem
it's not that hard, i'll give you a hand when i'm back
thorny totem
In the mean time, if someone wnat to step up be my guest ;)
languid beacon
view ball should really not go in eyes if you are picky about tracking, view ball should be placed so your real shoulders the same height and frontback distance as your avatar's shouldeders
charred zealot
I somehow own a world vrchat says all of a sudden
vocal shard
karma - thank her for that
free world ain't gonna repeat itself....take it while u can
versed hound
I was in the presentation room with my friends and a cancerous person joined and decided to vote kick me, many not knowing who I am I got kicked...
The more and more I get bullied the more I think about getting a crash avatar...
ebon shard
dont think you should say that in discord ;/
prisma timber
How do you know if your vrchat world was reviewed?
The way it was described is very vauge.
vocal shard
Click the 2nd link in #public-world-request
prisma timber
That doesn't seem to help me.
vocal shard
That spreadsheet lists all of the worlds that has been submitted to be reviewed.
If you have requested for your world to be public, it will be shown in there. Make sure to check back on the spreadsheet as it will show whether your world has been accepted or not.
prisma timber
I see now.
They didn't like the shader I used for the sky box I see.
What other shader could I use that is trippy?
umbral reef
@versed hound If you get a crash avatar you will just get banned... Its far from a smart thing to do
To not get bullied more id suggest (and im not judging or anything) changing how you act within public worlds. For some people X thing is normal while of others its not. Can try looking at that maybe..
Else an option more people enjoy to hear, try finding a community within discord, reddit or where else that fits with your interests and VRC. Can also maybe ask around if someone knows a community for you. Once you find that place you can just hang out with them (or join public worlds with them). Its how most people make new friends within VRC so far i know.
(Could take an peek in #community-servers-old for the big discord servers)
median basalt
@prisma timber let's see. You're using a shader for the skybox and they describe a "still image" effect
Are you using that Starnest shader?
There's a non-screenspace version that doesn't move with your camera
Be careful with that shader anyway. The more of your screen it covers, the laggier it gets
viral lynx
I have a problem in the VRChat when I enter it Listen to people speak very slow and I have no problem other than how to fix it
ruby needle
dont spam you message accross multiple channels
tranquil vortex
is that other person who got mad for no reason back?4
prisma timber
I was using the jumpscare shader with a space image to get a cool colorful space effect.
@median basalt
It had a still image effect too.
Is a still image effect not aloud?
rough pulsar
A still image attached to screen space coordinates is really disorienting in VR.
I'm guessing your world was 'Trippy Avatar World'?
prisma timber
Yes
rough pulsar
Yeah, from the comment that definitely sounds like a screen space shader.
Do you have VR?
rough pulsar
Okay, so the reason a static image on screen space coordinates is bad in VR is when you look at it and move your head, you don't get any visual feedback of the motion. The image moves with you.
It's a uniquely horrible experience.
prisma timber
Also is it mandatory to make mirrors toggleable?
rough pulsar
I'm not sure if it's an actual rule, but with how significant a performance hit they are, it might as well be.
And it's highly recommended that they default to off.
prisma timber
Also I find it weird how using avatars from private worlds is no longer aloud.
median basalt
I've seen a lot of unoptimized worlds get made public with like 3 active mirrors at all times
You can use avatars from private worlds
You just can't do that if you don't have upload permissions
But yes, please do make mirrors toggle-able
They should ideally start off by default, but you should have local toggles at least.
VR is an order of magnitude more laggy than desktop
prisma timber
People were getting a message saying that using avatars from private worlds is a security risk and that they cannot use avatars in a world that is not public.
median basalt
And low FPS is also a bigger detriment in VR
That's only if they don't have upload permissions.
Otherwise a friend could upload an avatar for them in a private world
prisma timber
Funny thing is that I had this happen to a bunch of my friends when they were testing out my world, yet I have upload permissions.
umbral reef
They need the upload permission for it to work
prisma timber
So visitors have to have the upload permission too for it to work?
median basalt
Yes
That's the point
Who else would need permissions? The world author already has them or the world would not even exist
vocal shard
An in-game world doesn't need avatars to exist... Unless that's their only reason for being made
rough pulsar
It was implemented to stop one account making a troll avatar, putting it in a private world and raiding with it.
ruby needle
jup
vocal shard
So pretty much avoiding another Ugandan knuckles event (in a probably worser category) 🤔
ruby needle
vocal shard
Yup, I got it...
rough pulsar
Not exactly. Another... epidemic... would be possible, if the world got made public.
The point is public worlds get checked so it's not like you can easily put an avatar of hitler or something else bannable in it. And if you did you'd get banned.
ruby needle
if you are clever you can. but the point of it beeing a lot more efford remains
rough pulsar
It stops a fair bit of low-effort shit.
ruby needle
yep
ebon shard
finally got a way to password protect models
ruby needle
🤔
ruby needle
🤔
ruby needle
why rip 
vocal shard
👁 👁 ❓
vocal shard
🤔
ebon shard
?
ruby needle
toggleprops are not synced
ebon shard
you can make it any combo you want
havent had any problems using toggleprops
besides it not overriding the emotr
ruby needle
if you toggle something and someone joins its not toggled, or if your character was out of range to be processed.
ebon shard
;/
ruby needle
making your character still protected for them
rough pulsar
Have you tested it in various states of culling? I remember someone mentioning that toggling game objects while culled (occlusion or frustum) causes it to be out of sync.
ruby needle
that is the second thing i meaned yeah
ebon shard
thats my first time testing
ruby needle
if someone joins/loads your character after the togglehappend or you where culled its not done for them
ruby needle
nice idea tho
vocal shard
It could be implemented in other variations for all that we know
rough pulsar
If the toggles/whatever were buffered and unaffected by occlusion it would work.
Maybe.
ebon shard
idk im not smart enough to do that
better than nothing at least until a fix is implemented
rough pulsar
That's not something you can control on avatars. Fortunately.
Who wants users to have the ability to force all their dynamic bones to be calculated all the time.
hint: literally nobody
ebon shard
what am i gonna do with this then https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461711219569721347/463112731252228097/unknown.png
;/
vocal shard
Find another use for em?
ebon shard
hm
rough pulsar
Hold onto it, if some prat comes along and copies your avatar, overwrite that one with that thing and re-upload the regular one.
Then report them.
ebon shard
i need more smug
rough pulsar
needs moar mspaint
ebon shard
mspaint is the greatest revolution of all time
rough pulsar
And we're talking windows 98 mspaint, none of this improved windows 10 bullshit.
Fire up the virtual machines.
ebon shard
paint3d = yuck
cold talon
Got a vm just for ms paint
ebon shard
had to install some old microsoft office
cold talon
Well win 10 still better than 8 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough pulsar
If I wasn't about to hop into vrchat, I'd see how many windows 98 VMs 128GB of RAM can host.
Because who puts their money to good use anyway?
cold talon
128gb ram 
ebon shard
rough pulsar
I don't plan on updating that thing for a very long time.
rough pulsar
Mmmm, servers
rough pulsar
Parallel processing gets me all hot and bothered. 😍
vocal shard
i heard something about toggleprops?/
my conclusion is to use snails inventory system (on the same github as the snail trail)
as hardlights toggleprop solution suffers from more deysnc issues than animation culling
would be nice if there was an option to use desktop mode toggle in vr though
to solve thta entirely
median basalt
Does snail's inventory system work with late joiners?
By that, I mean that the toggles are either always the same, or there's a reset button
Because with prop toggling, if I have a prop turned on and I toggle it off, it'll toggle on for late joiners instead.
vocal shard
no yo uhave to resync it
thats an issue with all toggle prop solutions
it occludes based on if thye saw the animation or not
reloading the avatar will fix it
using it for a gimmick is fine
clothes changes?
nope
because it'll desync eventually
you gotta do you toggleprop meme gimmicks with that in mind
median basalt
Yeah, but I mean if you can even resync with snail's system
I tried just having an emote that toggled off the prop toggle objects to reset the animators but that didn't work for prop toggling
still palm
@covert chasm
covert chasm
Same as before @still palm , check our #vrchat-support and shoot an email to the support email if the steps don't help, with your logs attached
still palm
Ok thank you.
mighty galleon
-pats the tupperwear-
stone current
mighty galleon
oh hi rage been a while
iron heart
yea ive been busy, was building a whole room addition with people
never done it before
mighty galleon
sounds complicated and dangerous
tender nova
is there any way to report people? somebody just stole my avatar
it's a little bit shit that it's easier to steal in this game than it is to report people
oh wait, here we are
i think~
left tundra
yeah there should definitely be a built in report function
that doesnt just ping mods to a room
gray kiln
Whats the hotkey in unity to unhide all the children of the parented game object?
wild stump
how to get the report for a crasher
raven silo
@wild stump #moderation-reports
wild stump
ty
blissful glacier
What is the longest T pose!?
wild stump
any clue when there going to fix the memory leak for VRChat had to ask.
vocal shard
SOON
hasty wedge
™
mild harbor
small question, where do i report people who crash others (never had to before)
small wing
So my vrchat just disconnected to the servers entirely
lilac swan
#moderation-reports, Ravennes
small wing
it tried logging back in and didnt do anything
just posting this here before i sleep incase its serious
lilac swan
Or send an email to moderation@vrchat.com
mild harbor
alright thanks, gotta report a person who crashes others
lilac swan
If you got crashed by someone and still haven't restarted the VRchat game client you should grab your output log and send it along your report as proof. It will help a lot. Each time you start the game client the output log is overwritten.
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
lilac swan
Sending a report without evidence doesn't tend to help much, or in most cases at all.
mild harbor
ah alright, i never crash even in the laggiest world xd
languid compass
reposting because I know some people also asked here:
OwlBoy - Today at 2:23 AM
I know about the current bugs in The Pug. I’ll be fixing them tomorrow evening
- Blocked staircase
- Lightmap artifacts on staircase
- Objects disappearing when you get a bit away from them
lilac swan
Way to crap on and downplay Owlboy's efforts. It's certainly not hyper performant but it is in no way badly optimized at all.
elfin forge
when you load into a world and it kicks you out of it to bring you in an empty version of the same world is it because it reached the maximum amount of ppl?
i'm sorry to tell you zarn but it is pretty unoptimized
lilac swan
I've been following his progress since early 2017 and I disagree.
elfin forge
altho it is also partially the ppl's fault
cuz a lot of ppl don't know how to optimize their models
like i've got particles and shit but my avatar is more optimized then any mmd model you will ever see
lilac swan
If you're basing the pug's performance of a full public instance that usually has badly optimized avatars, then yes, it's going to be bad. That goes for pretty much any world
safe prism
a lag-free box with bad avatars is still going to lag
elfin forge
a lag free box with optimized avatars will still lag trust me
safe prism
everything lags
safe prism
you could make a world with a single quad and collider and things are still gonna lag
umbral reef
isnt the lag free box map itself not perfectly optimized even 🤔 Pretty sure i heard someone claim that once and i got no idea myself
vocal shard
time isnt equivalent to quality pug is bad and not optimized
vocal shard
void club did the same thing
umbral reef
And rub your a world optimizing expert? Because so far i have seen, the pug has been optimized better then most maps of that detail and things within it...
umbral reef
Void club also started laggy as shit then after while not anymore once they learned things
lilac swan
Never claimed it is. My point is I've been following development of the world and I know what underlying changes to increase performance has been done
vocal shard
optimizing worlds
ornate cobalt
I want to play vrchat but my room is 30C, much face melting
q_q
We need an ac face cooling loop
safe prism
get aircon?
ornate cobalt
England, hardly any point
ornate cobalt
We get like 2 weeks of hot weather then back to 20c
safe prism
make an ice chest air cooler
ornate cobalt
Now.. that might work
safe prism
my aircon 🅱roke
;-;
so i just suffer through 30C rooms for 5 months out of the year
ornate cobalt
;_;
umbral reef
You do know an aircon can also help with humidity and if you dont cheap out you can use it to heat the air even
Just never get those moveable ones
Those are pure and pure shit
true sky
My map got suspended and i was wondering who i need to talk to so i know what to remove from the map?
vocal shard
check the world upload google doc
if you havent already
usually theres notes there
true sky
i have already and wondering if i could contact when the problem is fixed?
vocal shard
usually submitting for a reupload if your upload privleges are still in place
things worlds get taken down for are usually sexually related or due to extremely bad fps
possibly something politically controversial as well
vocal shard
id wait for the date to go then just to not get yourself in more trouble
then reupload the version without TOS breakig stuff
the best way to get in contact otherwise is through emails
lilac swan
The date is until you can submit it to be made public again
true sky
would i get in trouble if i resubmit and fix the problem?
vocal shard
i dont think so
lilac swan
Before the date, probably
high coral
Hm
polar rose
if i have a question for vrchat team should i send it to the hello or support email
its about ToS clarification
rough pulsar
I believe the support email is slightly more for technical issues, so hello might be the one to go for.
polar rose
thank you good sir
vocal shard
hello fellow humans
I am currently looking for a world that has cute anime girl avatars
not loli
any recommendations?
its very hard to find a good world
most worlds have like an anime character as the picture but there is no anime avatars in that world
vocal shard
okie, will check em out
polar rose
Rakqoi's Avatar Islands is old but a personal fav
vocal shard
Shonzo's jiggly heaven is good too
polar rose
oh. yeah
vocal shard
How long does the VRChat security thingy takes?
polar rose
the trust system so that you can upload avatars?
ebon shard
“Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.”
“You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also makeing some friends. Idling wont help.”
“According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.”
“Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident and play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.”
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
long story short, 20-40 hours of activity, though depending on what you do it could take more or less(edited)
Key point - there's no set in stone timer and afk'ing won't work
polar rose
yea, dat ^
ebon shard
stole ghoosts copy pasta
polar rose
it is a good pasta indeed
ebon shard
i'd just use your previous account
unless you want to spend 20-40 hours just for a new name
polar rose
and any response?
vocal shard
They said they will implement it in the future
polar rose
huh. thats interesting. someone i know got their acc name changed recently 🤔
vocal shard
;-;
WElp here I send one more email
Make sure you're sending it using the same email you registered your account with.
The problem is
My other account has taken the name already
.<
If the name's already taken, then I think it wouldn't be possible to change to that name.
I wanna delete my account then >.<
north axle
If only everyone could get what they wanted.
vocal shard
sigh
north axle
I want to be a bounty hunter in VRC, but it's not possible either because there's no money in here.
ebon shard
why be a bounty hunter when you can just kill people for no reason at all
north axle
At least bounty hunters look for people who must have done something wrong, they still may have some sort of morale as well.
north axle
Maybe I should've said "humanity" instead.
still gust
E
reef jacinth
I really hope one day eyetracking is fixed for Full Body Tracking users...
cold talon
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt