Is VRChat known to randomly close itself when you are idle / in vr mdoe but not using your headset
#vrchat-general-2
languid beacon
whenever i take off my headset to work with the SDK i find vrchat has closed itself when i get back to my headset
yet it never crashes while i'm playing
verbal tartan
is the server alright?
its made me login multiple times already
and forced me back into my home world
hoary ridge
The PUB is so laggy sometimes lmao
tired linden
why is every world i visit empty? even the pug was empty. even when i enter the instances with the most players in it
i feel so lonely, am i the last man in existance in the vrchat multiverse?
devout python
have you recently updated vrchat
tired linden
....no
tired linden
thank you
tardy goblet
Heyy
blissful glacier
What are those weird floating buttons on avatars?
storm stag
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lilac vortex
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ivory folio
You mean the cameras that vr users have? @blissful glacier
umbral reef
And why is it not working?
Because 90% of the work has to be done within blender to make the avatar look good and its smart to learn it yourself...
Just to stay away from website that just give you the unity file as well... Those websites are plain shit
opal trellis
heady crag
Do you have a youtube tutorial? I'm currently at work @umbral reef
vocal shard
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umbral reef
There are some great tutorials to be found within #tutorials
There is one for pretty much everything-- But scroll up a few vids and it should be there
Should even be from tupper himself
Also an hour as passed ima just @heady crag 
heady crag
Alright, cheers
cosmic delta
My animations don't play in the mirror. I know there are special cameras that allow me to see it, where can i find such worlds with these cameras?
dire palm
avatar testing
cosmic delta
I've tried but it does not work
I've been to a world where it did work but i can't remember the bame
*name
Oh it is avatar testing
My bad 😖
worthy swallow
anyone else having trouble uploading an avatar?
floral aspen
@serene plinth if it does that, close unity and delete the VRCSDK folder in your project folder then open Unity and reimport the SDK
hexed glacier
so i just uploaded my first avatar. i go to avatars but it doesnt show there can someone help?
true sky
are you logged into a steam account
hexed glacier
no im logged into my vrchat account
floral aspen
try detaching the blueprint ID and reuploading it
ruby needle
on a first upload? 
hexed glacier
detaching the blueprint id didnt work
pulsar solar
have you got 'upload allowed' email from VRC
blazing wave
Anyone see the news bout the EU copyright law that might ruin most every game with user generated content like vrchat?
blazing wave
It will require they create a system to scan all content to verify copyright integrity
Or as apart of the treaty we have with them, will allow them to sue the company
ruby needle
except that the game doesnt originate in the eu
blazing wave
Doesn't matter for the very reason I just said
ruby needle
it does matter 
if its a eu law, why would a us based game (servers are also us based) care
blazing wave
A treaty we have with them allows them to sue even cross country violations of their copyright laws
pulsar solar
if they can apply laws to overseas, why does china still survive
ruby needle
sueing across countries is one thing.
but sueing someone in a different country for breaking a law that doesn't exists there is plain stupid
blazing wave
It's called a treaty which we agreed between counties to fallow those laws, I'll see if I can specifically what's talking about
tacit plank
Everybody relies on China though. Can't get cheap phones and tshirts without thier child slaves
tacit plank
"Under Article 13, companies that allow user-generated content of ANY KIND would have to design some kind of machine-learning-based censorship system that used catalogs of known copyrighted works to check user submissions for copyright violations,"
A working, intelligent program? Impossible.
A "if (string.contains("dragonball")==true){return;}"? Easy lol
floral aspen
yup, no way that could be circumvented at all lol
ruby needle
it mentions nicely that it MIGHT BECOME an issue in future deals that would say that sueing becomes possible with the new law
but ofc not with the current ones
tacit plank
"If you're in the EU, there's still time to take action"
Is this the new privacy law or another copyright law? I don't want to oppose the first one of the two
umbral reef
The law will die
There are an insane amount of people against it within office
floral aspen
I think its different than the new privacy laws caffeine
true sky
@tacit plank That law has failed in germany, so how will it work LOL
umbral reef
And part of the law also is in conflict with another law so....
tacit plank
It won't be an issue, because there's no way they will force half the internet to stop user generated content
umbral reef
And in spain lego
true sky
yup
umbral reef
Aannd it got an instant shutdown within the netherlands
true sky
I live in the US, so 🤷
keen mesa
usa, the (((land of the free)))
tacit plank
VR Avatars are personal use, non-commercial. And if anything it's free advertisement for the creators of dragonball. I doubt they will sue VRChat over it
vocal shard
being free != being free to do whatever
true sky
tacit plank
Free to go to jail if you're poor lol
vocal shard
lol
keen mesa
you're free to do what you're told to do
tacit plank
Or get away with anything if you're rich
ruby needle
@tacit plank free advertisement good one
vocal shard
I think i should use a different email when submitting moderation reports because the ones i send dont even get looked at
floral aspen
give it some time maybe?
true sky
- killed a guy
- Made Bail cause im bill gates
- ...
- Profit
blazing wave
Long as the law doesn't pass then it won't be a problem
tacit plank
In that case you'd be battling the police, not other people. But he could probably get away with it, yes
blazing wave
Cuz I can tell you verify a 3d model doesn't violate copywrite would be a nightmare
umbral reef
The law isnt even being vited on yet
tacit plank
The 'church' of scientology tortures people and likely kills people now and then, but the FBI gave up on battling them
vocal shard
You guys should go to nek0's public world and pick the avatar with the spammable screen shake because according to the vrchat moderators it is a legal world with legal avatars
true sky
plus that EU law is really made to silence criticism and violates the Fair Use laws
floral aspen
it would be an unenforceable law
vocal shard
Dunno what the moderators were thinking but ok
umbral reef
The law is in conflict of an already running
tacit plank
A screen shaking effect in itself isn't too bad, but if you use it much, expect me to block you
umbral reef
Worlds only reallt get checked for performance
keen mesa
still EU law is far better than US law
floral aspen
a screenshake is annoying, but I wouldn't compare it to crash guns or shaders that spam your screen with images. Just block them if they use it too much
vocal shard
Yes but the mods approving an avatar world that have multiple avatars that will bring you to 10 fps
keen mesa
US is a corporatocracy
tacit plank
Everything in Europe is better than in the US
Russia and China and the middle east are horrible to people, the USA is slightly horrible to people, and scandanavia and some other european countries are alright to people
umbral reef
Eu has its fair chair of coruption but its done subtle enough so we dont push them out there seats
rapid heath
I see you are man of culture as well .....
tacit plank
Better is subjective. I bet the USA is doing better economically, but they treat the poor like shit so there's a lot of sick, homeless and mental ill
I think I've seen two homeless people in Denmark in total. And it's because they hated the system and avoided it
...Well I will stop ranting in the wrong channel now, laters
runic hound
Where can I report hackers?
runic hound
Friends avatar was stolen in front of our eyes, got picture of the person
elfin forge
because both of my side trigger don't work in game
median basalt
elfin forge
but when i go back to whichever game they work fine
runic hound
Thanks
vocal shard
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thorny totem
@blazing wave " Long as the law doesn't pass then..." well, actual laws exist you know and you can sue without a problem. As for checking some 3D content, just check the number of vertices/the geometry itself, The UV layout and you pretty much knows if it's a ripoff or not .
elfin forge
i don't think i'll get an awnser
and no it's not my controllers, they work fine in other games, it's just in vrchat that the trigger doesn't work
thorny totem
you're the first reporting it i think
elfin forge
prolly the new update isn't i?
thorny totem
don't think so, i have an oculus and it work
storm stag
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thorny totem
It happen with all your models? Zuku
elfin forge
yes
it's just the side triggers that don't work
@thorny totem
and again, it's only on vrchat
thorny totem
which version of Home are you using?
thorny totem
ok and none of your steam games act funny controler wise right?
elfin forge
nope
the only one that acts weirdly is vrchat
the home and the only other game i have work perfectly fine
i even took a random free game
and worked fine
thorny totem
sound stupid i know but could you try to remove the battery on both controller let it sit a minute and put some new one
elfin forge
they both have 4 bars
thorny totem
yeah the bars system is everything but accurate
thorny totem
are you gonna try or not?
elfin forge
im taking them out, they're not even hot
thorny totem
ok wait a moment before putting the new one in
elfin forge
pretty sure this ain't gonna work but ohwell
thorny totem
until you've tried it you'll never know ;)
vocal shard
2000?
elfin forge
you do know that you can't really say that in the general chat
velvet quarry
It would be against the rules
blazing wave
@thorny totem you can use that for direct rips, but when if the model was built bottom up as an object, or a different size on the arms or legs? The millions of differencea you can have to protray a copywrite character
thorny totem
i know Zuku
blazing wave
I mean heck you could have a single plane with a texture
thorny totem
@blazing wave true, but most don't even take the time to alter a model, it's blatant ripoff, decimating at best but not changing the UV layout.
blazing wave
I suppose what would be important is to what degree that law would require a check
thorny totem
yes
blazing wave
Basically if it requires an algorithm to the same degree Google checks for audio/video content, then it would be bad
vocal shard
Whats a good chatroom good for talking about your avatar creation status?
thorny totem
@blazing wave AI networks for that matter already exist, but cost a kidney . But using a fingerprint comparaison cost nothing, less accurate, but way easier.
blazing wave
Ya, and leaves wiggle room for stuff to fall through so we can still have our anime characters XD
thorny totem
it's not the little people making no PROFIT out of it that are the targets
elfin forge
@thorny totem still nothing
thorny totem
ok, something in you steam setting changed? (i don't have it in front of me to guide you), but there is a section about the controller if i'm not mistaken
elfin forge
i mean you can dm and i can screenshare if you want to
thorny totem
sure
vocal shard
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vocal shard
@covert chasm its been nearly 2 days since i requested my world to be public and is it normal to be this song
Have you looked at the world public status spreadsheet and checked if the world that you submitted was declined?
It's the 2nd link in #public-world-request
where is that
i just submit can someone make it public this is the 4 time before i made it public
ruby needle
you have to go trough the que like all other
and it doesnt matter if it was public previously
clever echo
So uh, Budget Cuts is out.
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
thorny totem
ok for everyone interested, Zuku problem is solved, not a bug, just a gamepad interfering with the Oculus touch. So if you have the same issue, disconnect your other controllers first ;)
velvet quarry
@vocal shard What is your world called?
velvet quarry
Your world was declined due to a TOS Violation, suspended until 6/19/2018, contains questionable avatars and a video with racial slurs.
vocal shard
whats
velvet quarry
Would recommend removing these things for your next submission once the suspension is over.
velvet quarry
That's all the information listed, I'd recommend keeping an eye on that sheet when you request a world to become public to see if it gets denied or not.
umbral reef
Maybe they did not see the bad avatars and the racist video before 👀
umbral reef
I wonder now 🤔 Mind dming me the vid
vocal shard
@umbral reef https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5eirYqyqjk
umbral reef
That aint really a dm but tnx
B-R-U-H
Your legit questioning why that video is banned?
Not even a minute in and we got a full bingo card of reasons that its a bad idea 😂
thorny totem
even youtube banned it...and will for sure for that one too
vocal shard
ok so now i have replaced the "BAD" avatars and removed the vid ok the waiting begins
steep turret
oof
surreal bobcat
Hey question, I was trying to make an avatar but it says I need to stay in the app, and then they'll email me when I'm able to? Any idea what that is about
steep turret
you've gotta play before you upload
it's a while apparently
it's something new they added
thorny totem
You need some "trust points" (figure of speech) before being able to upload, you need to spend time playing, making friends, interacting. It take some time, enjoy the game in the mean time, once you've build up enough "trust points" an email will be sent to notify you that the upload option is enabled. @surreal bobcat
surreal bobcat
Ah alright, thank you. That's kind of annoying though
thorny totem
That's how it is for everyone
surreal bobcat
I wish it was something simple like play time, or what have you. Any idea how they track "making friends"?
I've heard that it's taken people somewhere upward of 30 hours of play time
thorny totem
the formula is protected for obvious reasons, exploitation would be too easy
surreal bobcat
True
thorny totem
When you have fun the time flies try to have fun ;)
surreal bobcat
Trying to find that one server right now, i keep finding people who don't speak English so there's a bit of a language barrier
thorny totem
Try the Pub, it's mostly English, but timezone is a big factor too
surreal bobcat
Thank you! And yeah that's true, if I could bother you with one more question. Is there mouse sensitivity anywhere? It's going haywire with my current dpi
thorny totem
not in game yet, but there is some tools out there for that if i'm not mistaken
general tools i meant, not VRchat exclusive
steep turret
good luck tykenn
languid beacon
rumor is it it's better to have other people friend you rather than you friend other people, but it's just speculation.
also just idling won't help they know.
basically just play the game and be a nice user to get it as soon as possible, and don't get blocked or votekicked.
i stayed excusivly in friend worlds, took about a week
surreal bobcat
Ahhh alright, and thank you merc.
vocal shard
IM GOING TO DROP THE PASTA!!!
surreal bobcat
Gonna try to recreate that window avatar cubed made, that looked so awesome
ruby needle
info is already there tho Helton 
steep turret
no worries. just be a decent human being and you'll get the privilege quick
ruby needle
gotta be quicker
vocal shard
»🍝 «
“Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.”
“You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also makeing some friends. Idling wont help.”
“According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.”
“Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident and play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.”
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
I don't care, I just want to drop the pasta for any kind of reason xD
ruby needle
thorny totem
Oh yes and the steam account is a big deal too
surreal bobcat
alright seems my steam has fully crashed now, this is gonna take a while
languid beacon
yeah steam accounts are p much just guests
vocal shard
See? It was useful!
thorny totem
it always is
languid beacon
can't own worlds either
ruby needle
languid beacon
i wonder if that will change, steam workshop integration seems like a no brainwr?
ruby needle
no
steam workshop is kinda like a offline "mod manager"
completely different to how vrchat handles content
not usable
languid beacon
🤔
uploaded avatars feel like mods to me, but I don't know techy details so i have to believe you
ruby needle
no
the equivalent to steam workshop would be downloading a upload ready unity package
also it would tie the game to steam
languid beacon
well it would tie the steam account to steam
just make it a thing only steam accounts can do
ruby needle
implementing a own system on the website it the way to go
making functions accessible for both and not make seperate systems
languid beacon
true
would be nice to gift avatars in general without friend needing to know unity
thorny totem
I think it's planned at some point
languid beacon
just can't receive a gift until you could have uploaded your own
thorny totem
(you see i said i think, ;) not putting you in trouble)
ruby needle
well there would have to be a "trade" system
languid beacon
trade?
ruby needle
one side offering it but the other side having to accept it
vocal shard
@velvet quarry when was my world reviewed
languid beacon
friend request type notification is fine
thorny totem
yes
ruby needle
not a notification but request to accept it
languid beacon
and a way to delete avies without unity heh
thorny totem
not a big deal technically speaking, as we said, the content itself is the real issue
ruby needle
that will have to come with it yeah Adeon
languid beacon
i'm guessing avatar folders/favorites must have been feature requested by now
thorny totem
as an ex : crashing avatars spreading like wild fire is risky
steep turret
pretty much happens to me 2 or 3 times a week
steep turret
my computer is fine it's just Crashers. I hardly ever lag or crash because of lag
languid beacon
i assume crashers just time out your gpu with insanely unoptimized content
small cove
has there even been a solution to the youtube-dl issue?
languid beacon
maybe i should not ask
steep turret
probably a good idea bud
vocal shard
world 👏 review 👏
small cove
mm
thorny totem
Yes let's not talk about the technical aspect of it, could give some idea to some =P
languid beacon
well either way don't use transparency AA or any form of texture filtering aside from bilinear and that makes you immune to most unoptimized content. can't see a difference in vr anyway it's wasted effort
any other setting seems to be ignored by unity
vocal shard
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thorny totem
not exactly Adeon
vocal shard
@vocal shard do we have BONUS World!?
no, cuz you pinged me for memes 
Unfortunately the vrchat moderation team throw crash gun user reports into the garbage because i submitted all my logs 20 days ago and the users are still able to play and spam their crash guns all day without any repercussion
vocal shard
Doubt it
steep turret
have you developed or worked on a game before
vocal shard
For a ticket
?
Dont understand why some people get banned within 24 hours and the rest get a pass
steep turret
because obviously their priorities are wrong
vocal shard
Nuu BONUS World is ded 😭
vocal shard
Sir! Sorry Sir! Sir! I just had to do it Sir!
Im pretty sure they could run a script that scans everyones avatar files for malicious particle systems
vocal shard
Every other multiplayer game that exists have ways of scanning their playerbase for things that shouldnt belong how else do they do mass ban waves
ruby needle
you forgett one thing tho
for normal games you know the files
you can verify the files
here the files are user made
vocal shard
Particle systems have identifiers its not just the name of the object
steep turret
fpaul makes valid points
thorny totem
a script is doable yes, but take time
vocal shard
Lol
steep turret
I'm sure they've got stuff in the works
I'm not a game developer so I wouldn't know
ruby needle
one thing a lot of peopel also forgett
vocal shard
A lookup script doesnt take long to make
ruby needle
this game is in a early access alpha stage
steep turret
then make one and present it to the staff like offering up a sacrifice to a god
thorny totem
depend what you're looking for Kuro
vocal shard
Lmao
steep turret
maybe they'll be merciful
languid beacon
"malicious" content is highly relative and dependent on consent.
vocal shard
There is no point contributing any scripts to the vrchat devs because they wont even use them
Lmao
vocal shard
Because the vrchat moderators and devs dont listen to their userbase
languid beacon
that's not always a bad thing
thorny totem
Kuro, you want to make a script without even know and having infos on the backend? you're a genius on that one
steep turret
didn't know you could read peoples minds
vocal shard
@thorny totem i actually dont and never said that
ruby needle
the devs are the ones making the game, users can give feedback and request things but all it is is suggestions
thorny totem
you did "There is no point contributing any scripts"
vocal shard
?
ruby needle
vocal shard
@thorny totem does not imply that i wanted to make anything
thorny totem
ok then
languid beacon
man people get kind of upset about this FREE game
steep turret
you sure complain for free tho
vocal shard
Everyone does
ruby needle
i always love those complaining about devs pushing content rather then fixing and optimizing
vocal shard
No @ruby needle
Im complaining that they do nothing about people exploiting the game
steep turret
also false
ruby needle
it's not easy done.
steep turret
they've been taking steps
ruby needle
Period
steep turret
hence why people can't just upload avatars right off the bat
vocal shard
I guess i should just use multiple emails when i send logs
thorny totem
turn your anger to something positive Kuro, do some suggestions in the right place.
vocal shard
They should make me a moderator
ruby needle
definitely not
steep turret
with how easily you get emotional I'd say no
vocal shard
I will bring justice to vrchat
ruby needle
untill the point you start banning stuff you dont like but that isnt really against any rule
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ruby needle
you wouldn't
steep turret
that easily huh
rapid heath
Ah
ruby needle
they dont have a position for a person for that
vocal shard
Why not
ruby needle
also you wouldn't be fast enogh
vocal shard
Vrchats first mass banwave
steep turret
what we NEED is to come together as a community
vocal shard
Then people will reconsider making crash guns
But they are too soft
And wont do it
rapid heath
under Master Kuro's BANNER!! Ah Army!
vocal shard
Yes
steep turret
negative
vocal shard
That would make more stubborn people try differently to make other crashing tools
But doing a mass crash gun ban would send a message
steep turret
helton you've regained that promotion I took from you. congratulations
thorny totem
They didn't specifically made crashguns, they made one and it happened to crash people, slight difference, don't change much in the real world but you know
steep turret
so a mass ban? they'd come back and start banning innocent players in response.
because hackers and shit can probably do that if they wanted to
vocal shard
Sir! Since I dropped to 🥙 rank, what rank did I achieve this time Sir?
steep turret
maximum 🌮
vocal shard
Before you go into the actual game, you stand in a room alone with nobody other than Kuro, and he will inspect you for any Crashgun.exe files you may or may not have in your possession.
rapid heath
you with your blasphemous distrust of the Legend Himself is mindboggling!
steep turret
sounds like a dictatorship. odd.
steep turret
for the longest time I thought ur icon was Brock Sampson svelsien. now I'm sad it isn't.
vocal shard
I'm sorry
ruby needle
steep turret
it's okay I'll endure somehow
vocal shard
To me it just sounds like a Swat soldier checking you for anything suspicious before entering in an Airplane
steep turret
I'd rather not be policed
steep turret
guess I'll deal with it, lol
vocal shard
How do i apply to be the Lead VRChat Moderator?
banning people with crash gun
lmao
steep turret
you don't kuro
timber hamlet
Wait should i ask war gaming if i could use a ship model in game from world of warships
floral aspen
you don't lol
vocal shard
you can crash people in hundreds of ways
Those people probably have like 7 extra acc's
marsh roost
Someone wanna buy my rift? 350€+- a bit owo
ruby needle
you should mention your location
and im not sure if that is already self promotion, but i've seen it beeing ok a few times
timber hamlet
Eu since it's €
vocal shard
yes cuz the eu is small
steep turret
I have some paper clips if that helps
vocal shard
marsh roost
germany owo
timber hamlet
Ayyyyy a fellow German
vocal shard
self promo
ruby needle
** fires up kleinanzeigen ** 310.... 300, 300 again
vocal shard
self promo is supposed to be related to vrchat
selling something is not really related to vrchat
marsh roost
well i would sell it for 300
vocal shard
you still didnt tell use the location
marsh roost
germany
marsh roost
i can ship EU
vocal shard
also ship in switzerland ? or do you have some fucked up rule too about that country?
marsh roost
no i would tottaly do that
vocal shard
hmm 🤔
steep turret
sounds legit
vocal shard
in switzlerand, a rift is around 600 bucks
marsh roost
but u have to "übernehm" shipping costs xD
steep turret
insert sarcasm here
vocal shard
let me check my bank account real quick before 
marsh roost
kk xD
ruby needle
and dont forgett you might have to pay tax too
vocal shard
switzerland also suck
thorny totem
really? it's 350 to 400 new
ruby needle
no
vocal shard
cuz you have to pay an extra fee if you import something
so i can pay up to 50 bucks more
sharp valley
I got my rift for $200 ✌
ruby needle
the oculus rift touch bundle currently costs 450€ on amazon in Germany
vocal shard
okay, i got no money on my bank account, fuck me 
marsh roost
xD
steep turret
how dare you indeed
thorny totem
FP 449 minus the 75€ given to get some game
also note that if you're not the 1st owner Oculus will refuse to repair it and offer you instead to pay 250 for a refurb unit
umbral reef
@vocal shard I wonder
How will you check account data though to check if they have crash things?
umbral reef
I know that but i still wonder how he would try that
vocal shard
but you got so many different way to crash people
you won't be able to prevent it at all
Im pretty sure that the vrchat admins have access to all user avatar files and blueprint ids
umbral reef
That does not mean they can have a program check what is included and what is what
Do you understand how information gets stored within files?
thorny totem
yet?
umbral reef
They would not have to make this game if they could scan binary code stupidly fast from plenty of users to check for an large specific range of "bad things" that are not even defined
vocal shard
Every multiplayer game company in existence has a way to check user data
umbral reef
Those websites allow full range of uploads?
vocal shard
Are you telling me that large scale games just make blind mass ban waves
umbral reef
You telling me large scale games have an uploading function for user generated content?
umbral reef
Yes it does bigtime
vocal shard
No it doesnt
floral aspen
ehhh yeah it does
umbral reef
Give me an example of a company that allows users to upload full range anything that can be abused but has a system to check it first
vocal shard
Its essentially like uploading a file onto google drive are you telling me search does not exist
You upload a file onto a companys server.... Obviously they can access it
thorny totem
not sure he is talking about checking it first but more afterward
umbral reef
Youtube is an perfect example if you cant come up with something but ow--
Wait a second--- Look there-- All the million of gaping holes within that billion dollar company cant even scan video's at a good enough rate to prevent porn, small editing video's, really bad things and ect?
Ofcours they got your fucking files--
but they cna not read without a problem what is inside it
thorny totem
why would you do it in real time when you can do it after hmm
umbral reef
I said that? Maybe go reread what i wrote~
Kane they do it after and youtube still cant keep up at all
Same with google drive
They started to remove things but they do that on the most simple way posible
Photo scanning and word searching, videos still go aye owkay within there
thorny totem
well they can and do keep up but i agree it's ressource intensive, no secret here
umbral reef
And a video format is a lot easier to see for a program then a 3d file
They cant because there is no program that can properly tackle video's even
vocal shard
That would mean tiddies and thighs would get removed from VR by VRCbot!? Ludicrous!
no pls
umbral reef
id really suggest looking up some crash courses on computer (programing, data storage and cyber security related topics)
thorny totem
if it's pointed at me Oclac i have 20 years in the field i'm ok ;)
umbral reef
I been learning these things the past few weeks
Kinda because i been dicking around with robot and how they scan faces (and making a program myself to scan when a face is there) and how information get stored because i been dicking around with storing information types and filtering stuff within them for a robot 
Big odds you know a lot more then me kane but im atleast far from "Just google" knowledge
floral aspen
possible, but non-trivial to create a system like that
umbral reef
Well last time was more meant for the rest and felt i had to explain where i know my stuff from as its not something i 'should' know
vocal shard
Oclac is a learner compared to you as it seems, teach em well
thorny totem
true Tidus, that's why i said it take time
umbral reef
Its fun to do tidus, its fun to learn (for me atleast) and i get grades for it 👀
Who does not want to learn how to make a robot that can shoot stuff at people
floral aspen
I agree, which is why I went to school for it as well
umbral reef
Or oww--- the scanning stuff
vocal shard
LOADS DIY PLASMA SHOTGUN that won't happen if I shoot you first! Evil Smiles
floral aspen
???
umbral reef
Is there like a tech channel within this dicsord btw 
Like post all tech related things
floral aspen
I don't think so
vocal shard
Oclac wants to program a robot to shoot things, that can either be awesome, lewd, or dangerous!
umbral reef
Pretty sure its the last thing 👀
But expect some photo's of my school tomorrow if i wont forget it
Then you can see all my unfinished projects
vocal shard
Sounds interesting
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I get banned from vrchat they say they have proof they don't show it
languid beacon
besides vrchat, are there any other games that use vive body tracking?
floral aspen
I think there is like one, maybe two other games that use it
keen mesa
probably no
floral aspen
very little support atm
vocal shard
They denied my ban appeal in 2m
They said they have proof
I want to see proof I have a "modified" client
marsh roost
still selling my Rift for 350€VB /germany / EU shipping / rearly used
keen mesa
They can see the loaded Assemblies (dll) in VRChat
vocal shard
I have no modded files
keen mesa
if there is something off, like additional dlls loaded, that's proof
languid beacon
is it possible to bind a tracker to a custom bone on my avatar that is not a standard limb, so that i can have a disconnected prop?
quiet prawn
Not currently, no.
umbral reef
Anti crash and ect also count ya know 😉
vocal shard
literally the worst way to apeal to a ban
I don't have either @umbral reef
yknow what sucks?
languid beacon
black holes
languid beacon
kirby
vocal shard
I'm joining the military so I won't get to talk to my friends for probably months, and when I do, I won't have my vive (bc my ex fiance is shit) so I won't get to actually interact with them 😠
k
you don't have friends it's all good
umbral reef
Forced army conscription or?
thorny totem
#LifeIsGreat #Feminism @vocal shard
thorny totem
nevermind
quiet prawn
I forsee, a Google search in your future
languid beacon
they are pointing out they were female for some reason idk
rapid heath
.... are you guys for real?...... the "joke" is pretty obvious
thorny totem
seems it's not :P
rapid heath
and yeah, It's the wrong chat for that
modern sand
Don't even need to write, hell yeah
rapid heath
you should move to #general-media
vocal shard
lmaoooo
rapid heath
I got you Ruuubick
steep turret
another military dude? rock on
desert urchin
New to VRchat, where do I put an avatar file to use if I downloaded it from Deviantart?
what folder?
neat storm
unity
languid beacon
open a new unity project in unity sdk
desert urchin
Ohhhh ok
languid beacon
and then do asset > import asset
vocal shard
he is new to vrchat, he probably won't be able to upload anyway.
languid beacon
you also need to import the vrchat sdk package to give you an upload button
desert urchin
I gotcha, is Unity included into the VRchat files? Or do I need to go download it?
languid beacon
and yes if your account is new you cant upload for like a week
desert urchin
I see
modern sand
languid beacon
vocal shard
first of all create an account on the vrchat homepage
you can't upload on steam accounts
vocal shard
you also need the version 5.6.3p1 of unity
desert urchin
Awesome, thanks guys
vocal shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0ljQ6hU0A&t i advise you to watch this video
it is by tupper and explains the basic of mmd avatar conversions
languid beacon
also always get your vrcsdk from vrchat.net because if you get it elsewhere it could be modified
vocal shard
and if you have trouble at any stage of the tutorial dont be afraid to ask people in the avatars/avatars-mmd channel in this discord
most of them are really helpful
desert urchin
awesome, you all are already super kind! liking the community already
vocal shard
and make sure to play with a vrchat account and not steam account from the get-go
you have to spent some time ingame to gain the ability to upload worlds/avatars
desert urchin
Yeah, I have it under a vrchat one, didnt want to use my steam account so Im good
ok cool will do
vocal shard
time spent to gain access differs
@desert urchin we get banned if we are not kind 
just interact with people and make friends :)
desert urchin
lol well thats a great strategy! @vocal shard
vocal shard
if you need help for avatar stuff, we wil see each other again
i usually lurk in the dev part
desert urchin
Sweet! thx for the help @vocal shard @vocal shard
vocal shard
you're welcome :)
languid beacon
really wants triangle limit extended to 65k at least for private instances
vocal shard
should be for public too
that limit exist for dumb reason
when it was wrongly assumed that poly count was the biggest source of lag
languid beacon
i cant make low poly hair look good
languid beacon
male anime hair always uses half my budget lol
hahaha
i ended up using both a hoodie and a beanie XD
languid beacon
but that stringy anime hair stuff is impossible with the current limit
vocal shard
Covering up the damage so you don't have to deal with others talking about it, is a viable strategy
Very defined curly hair? @languid beacon
is there a specific rule that doesnt allow you to be above the poly limit ?
languid beacon
the sdk wont upload 20001 verts or more
vocal shard
you are not allowed to modify the client or the sdk
i can bypass the poly count without modifying the client or sdk, does it still count then ?
which means if you uploaded above 20k tris you did modify the sdk
floral aspen
Its not possible to bypass the limit without modifying the SDK
floral aspen
no... you can't
languid beacon
or downloaded an avatar with a modded sdk built in which tends to happen
vocal shard
triggering a second mesh does not count as bypassing
floral aspen
^
vocal shard
and looks terrible in mirrors
bypassing litteraly means to upload a mesh with more then 20k tris
languid beacon
the fact that you can spawn more is dumb just give us a full limit props included
i feel so limitied lol
but its my bad modeling
thorny totem
quick question how many poly are used here? the full body is as fluffy as the head https://ibb.co/dQtE7y
vocal shard
still didnt answer tho :(
i wanted to know if you can still get banned for it
since you didnt modify anything to upload a 20k+ poly model
languid beacon
not as much as it looks it is using alpha cutouts
thorny totem
exactly
vocal shard
yeah
thorny totem
13k
vocal shard
@vocal shard if you get 20k+ via triggering disabled game objects you will not get banned for this
if you do it otherwise
Adeon just doesn't want things to look bland...
a ban is a possiblilty
@vocal shard i don't use trigger for that
languid beacon
I have never heard of someone getting banned for having avatars over the tri limit but i bet they would not appreciate one being on a pedistal
vocal shard
pretty sure a lot of world have avatars with 20k+ polys
happened to a few people i know
same
but they got reported for it
yeah, you actually need to be reported for it, they arent actively hunting people over the poly limit
languid beacon
@vocal shard question is if they are public worlds greenlit by the devs
ruby needle
yeah they dont.
vocal shard
@languid beacon pretty sure that they dont go testing each avatars to approve it
ruby needle
tho i would love to see a filter running over the model after upload and outright delete it if its over
vocal shard
i saw some world approved in public with world screenshake
languid beacon
true
ruby needle
it makes sense
languid beacon
so it means nothing
ruby needle
upload a few cube avatars each with a new ID
and put these on pedestrals
then oyu can use the id's later
without having to reupload the map
languid beacon
honestly a 65k avatar with zero dynamic bones is less laggy than a 20k avatar with dynamic bones
ruby needle
that is mostly true
floral aspen
poly count isn't even that big of an issue performance wise
vocal shard
depends on how many draw call both avatars have
dynamic bones arent that performance heavy if done correctly
thorny totem
Textures and shaders have a role too @languid beacon
ruby needle
i would love for the poly limit to get raised to the limit unity supports for a single mesh but rather limit materials to 10 or so
nimble nimbus
Weeeoooo
ruby needle
a lot of tutorials dont even talk about atlasing or mention it
since most just care about the poly limit
thorny totem
true
languid beacon
well my source avatar before vrchat is 112k triangles, one material (texture atlas) with armature blink/jaw, no shape keys or dynamic bones. but destroyed it down to 20K for vrchat
basic toon lit shader
thorny totem
Tupper if i'm correct said educate before letting the polycount loose
that's the way i guess
vocal shard
yes, education is extremly needed
ruby needle
not just education unfortunately
enforcement and limits.
because else no one cares
or a lot dont
thats how many "casual" players are
vocal shard
i dont think harsh rules are needed tbh
most people just dont know how to optimize their stuff
ruby needle
most dont care about it
umbral reef
they dont know it because they dont have to and dont care enough to do it
ruby needle
just follow tuppers tutorial on manual atlasing and you're done within an hour
if you dont want to, use cats automatic atlasing
yes it has not perfect results
but if you are lazy
deal with it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
thorny totem
yes but beware the result, nothing will replace manual atlasing
languid beacon
uuh
vocal shard
lazy ppl rather deal with no atlasing at all 👀
languid beacon
i used cats for my atlasing
ruby needle
automatic atalasing could be nice but they would have to write their own routine which is not easy if i understood
languid beacon
zero difference visually
languid beacon
it was like 30 materials
umbral reef
We still need some smart cookie to magically find a way to make like a scanner that shows the material and poly count on avatars 👀
languid beacon
down to 1
true sky
There are some people who have made poly bombs and drops the FPS really badly and have the intent to cause problems
ruby needle
i mean, there is the flashlights in the testing world Oclac
languid beacon
and one very huge, mostly empty space normalmap
true sky
Mostly hidden behind gestures :/
vocal shard
everyone expierences performance issues with too many avatars in a world in vrchat. which is why i believe that most people would try to optimize their avatars if they just knew how.
umbral reef
Yea but those are world things and dont scream the number out 🤷
ruby needle
true
umbral reef
There are insane video's that go into great detail to optimize things...
ruby needle
but if you compare high to low poly models
vocal shard
which makes education the nr1 priority in my opinion
umbral reef
And there are plenty of people who know how to that cna help people 🤷
There are a fair bit of discords with avatar support chats
ruby needle
you will be able to realise fast if it could be <20k or is over
vocal shard
Lol you guys complaining about minor stuff and call me out for addressing the issues that actually matter
ruby needle
"minor stuff"
umbral reef
This guy 😂
true sky
Poly count is not always a problem in all worlds. Some I can load 20 avatars and be fine and some will freeze my game
quiet prawn
🍿
umbral reef
Poly count is not a problem at all really...
languid beacon
i would be perfectly happy at 20K had just manually decimated myself but oh my god so much work
true sky
Like the Great Pug, I can load 10 avatars then I lag out.
umbral reef
Aslong as the poly is below like 50K if i recall correct you dont get a new mesh
vocal shard
65k
ruby needle
64k
thorny totem
kuro no one called you out chill
umbral reef
Well that number
@thorny totem Our avatar god cant handle he was wrong on something 👀
umbral reef
😂
rapid heath
Ah
vocal shard
You probably have multiple avatars with crash guns
languid beacon
not to get nerdy but its 65536 tris specifically
umbral reef
Yea the person learning the subject at school and the guy doing it as a job for years are both wrong on how to scan things
vocal shard
vocal shard
Yea
umbral reef
Dope
umbral reef
I got a whole mini nuke army within my left pink :^)
I crash all the servers in the world with one button press :^)
vocal shard
Thats why you refused to acknowledge that crash guns and avatar stealers are an issue
You are 1 of them
umbral reef
You legit are an special snowflake
vocal shard
lmao
languid beacon
polycount is a problem!
umbral reef
Polycount is not the problem ffs
languid beacon
its too low
vocal shard
And you are a troll
for me the biggest issue is those "hackers" running around and stealing all the avatars
Congrats
rapid heath
can you plz move this to #general-media ?
thank you beforehand
vocal shard
not a stupid crash
thorny totem
it's your attitude Kuro, not the core of your message, speak without attacking for once
true sky
@umbral reef and that is when I mess up the avatar on your skin snatcher list 😉
vocal shard
this is vrc related
hence correct chat
smh
You know what's worse? Crash gun users and avatar stealers like yourself
true sky
Yup
umbral reef
Cant even fucking unfuck his own avatar because of lazynes
rapid heath
@vocal shard your mum bay :kappa:
umbral reef
Im totally an lmg hacker thief crasher
languid beacon
is that directed at me
umbral reef
Ow so you also hacked poeple kuro?
You crashed people?
Ow my
But this is to stupid im leaving 👋
modern sand
I'm gonna suggest changing the subject before it derails.
true sky
Other than the avatar has text at the bottom asking people to report you. Now new subject :)
vocal shard
Ive never used a crash gun or a hacked client because i am not a child
thorny totem
you're in the norm then, no need to be mad about it. As i said the suggestion box is open to everyone with clever ideas
umbral reef
Apparently accusing users who make semi optimized avatars, do nothing bad within the game, helps out tons of users and makes non obnoxious meme animations (body pillow of a body pillow, waifu book and ect) are hackers within that box then
true sky
People who use crash guns for the sake of entertaining themself only played VRChat to cause chaos.
umbral reef
Are there any good music worlds btw within vrc 
And not just gimmick idea's?
ruby needle
what kind of "music world"
umbral reef
No idea
Im to stupid when it comes to being creative for worlds
true sky
vocal shard
knuckles haters are worse than knucles 
true sky
Most of them are racists, so you have a good point ^
ruby needle
true sky
Talking about the haters 
hasty wedge
hasty wedge
it was just a prank bro 
thorny totem
no need to be connected anymore to get the in game nonsensical experience,brilliant
:)
ruby needle
No self bully 
vocal shard
all of the self bully 
rapid heath
#general-media plz :kappa:
true sky
ruby needle
🔥
rapid heath
yeah.... you're right.......
plz move to a different discord for your self bullying and self hatred issues though..... seek out professionals :kappa:
vocal shard
lmao stealing that one
true sky
vocal shard
you can't prove anything 
languid beacon
i had a regular knuckles avatar, not the meme, i got hate for that 😦
true sky
ruby needle
all the mods 
vocal shard
mods clearly do realize how easy it is to forge discord messages in the browser
no?
ruby needle
i'm ma personally getting tupper to kick yo butt 
cold talon
👌
vocal shard
🏃
cold talon
I hope
languid beacon
steal his look! step 1: take college classes in 3D modeling...
ruby needle
@vocal shard true but what about checking the message with id 456937652369752076
cold talon
languid beacon
make the content yourself 😛
cold talon
:/ well that aint really helpful
thorny totem
easy right
cold talon
Ah, yes I always use that tutorial for drawing owls
small wing
Is #shameless-self-promotion a place to post a short portfolio advertising commision?
I was going to ask before posting there.
surreal bobcat
I see why people like this now
I just had an army of random anime characters invade other rooms and I was their derpy loli leader
Annnnd it crashed
Rip
vital holly
just crashed too lol
although it was kinda weird, the game froze and my cpu usage was high af but I constantly could hear the loop of the last few seconds from vc
surreal bobcat
I had the same kind of thing expect I could still hear people speak
vital holly
oh weird
surreal bobcat
now I've married two lamp posts and have started yet another army of hentai comic lolis
vital holly
oh god
surreal bobcat
we got a hold of pens now we're marking our land
tacit plank
That sounds like an amazing adventure, honestly
storm stag
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5420 users in VRChat currently
tacit plank
Does anyone know where to get adult animations? I really want a pole dance one, and I can't seem to find one on mixamo
knotty reef
quiet prawn
Animate it yourself. 
tacit plank
I'm already doing most things myself because no search engines have the balls to show adult or questionable content anymore
modern sand
If he has enough empty space, a vive
frail viper
like how much sq ft
modern sand
100 i'd say
proper prism
Hoi
clever echo
@frail viper Is he on a budget?
Basically, the Rift setup is fleshed out more than the Vive vanilla setup. If you are OK with purchasing the Deluxe Audio strap (which will cost you another 100$ over the 500$ of the Vive system), then go Vive by all means. If you want a budget setup, and quite frankly the superior controller, and are OK with adding sensors and extenders down the road, go Rift.
Rift isn't foolproof when it comes to room tracking. In case of Vive, you either have complete tracking or none at all. It's the nature of the tech.
In case of errors, the Rift's controllers go out of whack, but the headset still works fine. In case of Vive, your headset will lose output if controller tracking goes haywire (takes not more than a second) anyway.
So it's either 460$ for the 3 sensor Rift setup (+40$ in cable extensions if necessary + anything between 40-80$ for a PCI-E USB card) vs 600$ for the Vive system + Deluxe Audio strap. If you go Vive, you have access to full body tracking, the incoming wireless adapter, and can upgrade to the Vive Pro using the older base stations and controllers. If you go Rift, you have access to TPCast (3rd party wireless adapter) and can set up FB tracking with a Kinect or something. Basically, if you are on a budget, get the Rift and deck it up. If you are not, go Vive. The experience is the same, it's how you get there that matters in the end.
Source : Tried both.
storm stag
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5648 users in VRChat currently
tacit plank
If you have a bad computer, I recommend vive
If you drop below 90FPS on rift, I've heard that it looks unpleasant and starts stuttering.
On Vive it just looks like desktop lag. 10 FPS is annoying, but it's not unplayable at all
quiet siren
hey
south oyster
lilac swan
WMR Headsets should handle low end PCs ever better.
clever echo
From what I hear, Rift's ASW does not restrict you to 45 fps. You go anywhere between 45 and 90. In contrast, Vive's ASW sticks to 45. Great for seated experiences, not so much for room scale.
Though Vive's kicks in a lot quicker.
tacit plank
Vive's likes the number 45. I was just going for what I heard btw. Something about the Rift being uncomfortable below 90FPS (which is always, with my GPU)
shy nest
vive doesnt have asw lmao
wmr and rift do have asw
valve wants devs to implement dynamic resolution into their games (like they have in "The Lab"), valve feels asw is a bandaid fix
clever echo
Yeah Vive uses Reprojection, not ASW.
Which is why it locks you at 45.
Rift is absolutely fine even below 90.
And yes, if you are letting your headset run under 90 in the first place, you are subject to the limitations of reprojection.
It is a bandaid fix, and nobody is going to refine it anytime soon.
umbral reef
Also GR you or hinted you needed both camera's for the vive? Or did i understand it wrong?
As you can also just use one for seated play instead of room tracking
clever echo
@umbral reef You get 2 base stations by default, but yes you can run it off of one.
Wouldn't make much sense though TBH.
umbral reef
Also the delux strap can even be annoying depending on your headset
I currently wear a headset while using my vive because of the audio quallity and it has that surround sound stuff
But its also pretty tight on the head and with the delux strap it would not fit at all
And because the headset itself sits perfectly tight enough the whole thing wont move at all (And knowing how to adjust the base strap is also important what everyone forgets)
For the rest pretty much everything you said is spot on (Also used both but the ocu a lot shorter as i do not own one but my friend does )
Beside that i enjoy the vive controlers more for an odd reason
twin jacinth
Can you remove the ''headset'' that comes with the deluxe strap?
clever echo
I mean, I guess
But why?
The whole point of buying the deluxe strap is to use the headphones on it
umbral reef
You can with some magicery but its pretty scuffed then
twin jacinth
Aight, i don't really like the headphones but the strap is pretty nice that's why
Using a wirless headset that works really well
shy nest
I tried the budget cuts demo not long ago
good except for the fact the steam version has vive controllers no matter what headset you use
not helpful when its telling you to press a key
supple swan
Just to check, people can't steal your avatar if you use the cats plugin, right?
ivory folio
They can still steal it but the CATs protection messes up the model
Make a backup before you apply protection
supple swan
Noted. Is there a way to unscramble it, or is it completely secure?
ruby needle
It unfortunately also isn't a complete protection
ocean bramble
It will never be 100% secure. But the cats protection makes it extremely hard to get that model to its original state
supple swan
Drat