#vrchat-general-2
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Say, any way I can change the resolution of the game while launching in VR?
@fallen yacht awesome
i think it's determined by your headset, but i don't have vr so i don't know
people need to make a model of Ilulu from kobayashi
Like what type of event are you trying to host?
so is it no-longer against rules to use modded sdk as long as its not abused? or am i getting wrong information x3
thought so.... i shall continue to decimate the crap out of my avatars then 
Where do I share request avatar?
People like me se extreme lag when someone has a million polygons
I'm tried MMD to VRChat.
You’ve tried adding MMD models to VRChat?
In a .pmx file to import into blender?
Yeah.
#moderation-reports @stuck peak
you need at best 2 minute of footage
or enough proof
Actually you could send them an email of it
Or use the google forms
@opal pecan Is the models decimated under 20k polygons?
Hatsune Miku V4X is 200k.
But can't upload it.
Because it has too many polygons
You need to decimate it in Blender
Until it’s under 20k polygons
Don't you have to pay for the tool that reduces the polycount? Or is there a more efficient way of doing so
Yeah.
ah
yeah
I think it.
@sweet jolt You know how to use Cats and mmd tools correct?
Oops
Wrong person
@opal pecan
XD
But I don't see physic.
Like hair, necktie and chest move.
Like the separate parts?
Yeah.
That’s why you got to separate by material
So you can separately select them
It’s in Cats
But, don’t forget to fix model first
And add shadeless
There are also tutorials that can help you out on YouTube
and join your meshes
so in order for people to steal your model are they forced to change into it before they save it or can they just copy and save it without you even knowing it happened
great, what do you use to make the void box around the head that prevents you from even using the menu then
or is it just simple black texture
Oculus seems to have an update currently, so I won't be able to play any VR games for a little bit.
I just wish there was some type of update bar to indicate how much longer I need to wait.
i wish i had full body tracking so I could do more than move my arms in void club
Or...
@brave mauve why did you block me from discord?
i forgot i had my 2d model active
i used an emotee
is there AI stuff?
there's a dude called Dimmack Tanaka doing weird stuff
someone said it was an ai or something
so does anyone know the name of the one world that plays anime gif-sounds videos in one of the rooms?
what;s a good world to watch movies? I found a fairly populated once but i cant remember the name ;-;
How to resize?
Wow Grandma what a big normalmap you have
I've had no sleep, have to go to uni yet still want to play vrchat in this state
Is something wrong with me?
The finger drawing is that like a particle system that is set to world or its like a specific effect?
Has to be set to the avatar since they can do it anywhere
Check out snail marker for an easy implementation
Did you know apparently there is a third party tool that allows hackers to, search for avatars by name or user
Then use them
oof
Someone uploaded a youtube video of it
The person took my avatar infront of me.
um, excuse me guys
Report them to the google document in #moderation-reports or to the moderation@vrchat.com
I wrote the question before but now I cant find where I wrote it but...
I wont do the google thing since his username is wrote in russian
If I wasn't on the bus id find the video
mein gott the devs should know about this shit
is there anyone I could ask about editing avatars in Blender?
They do
this may be worse than common hackertry
lol
Anyone seen a Loli?
Upload your outputlog and send it to moderation@vrchat.com.
Make sure to include the time it happened.
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
I only took a screenshot im not there anymore
Swedish, your question isn't anywhere in this server.
@vocal shard You stare at a Loli. You lolicon!
So what
We're all lolis now
I'm aware of being a loli user.
@vocal shard weird, I know I wrote it here somewhere. Im new to Discord so Im confused
found it, in another group thing, not a server
are you searching from: Swedish_Otaku#1143 or just "Swedish_Otaku"
well I'll ask here then, could someone help me with some questions regarding Blender and avatar editing?
is there a way to use face emotions on keyboard/mouse?
I searched but only in this channel/server I guess
#avatars-2-general would be the best place to ask avatar related questions.
ok thank you
there are entire channels for this. #avatars-2-general #avatar-rigging #3d-modeling
so many...
#avatars-mmd is only for MMD though
I thought all wre MMD
or, well, MMD-derived models
but mine is anyway
Hatsune Miku V4X is strongest polygons.
what do you call an avatar that isn't an mmd?
MMD's the most common one, but it's not the only one people can upload.
you just call it an avatar
not at all
well yes
You'll get used to it.
cause an mmd avatar could be called an avatar
all avatars are avatars but only some are from MMD because people don't make their own models
@gritty scroll There's no keybinds as of yet.
all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares
so if u just say avatar it can be both but if you just wanna say non mmd avatar u cant just say avatar
or... quadrilaterals?
@vocal shard yeah i know, but maybe some sort of emulator is there, idk
What to do
wtf
Report them.
did the comment just vanish?
But he seems to be a nice fellow

#moderation-reports @errant merlin
Nii-san~
I wanted to report him but..
It's the most common once since that's the only one with an actual detailed tutorial for VRChat.
Well there are tons of them and there are freely distributed and hq
anyway, im going over to the avatar channel. if anyone here could help me let me know though
not all of them
thanks
Higher quality than what I could make
A lot of them have started to put "Don't use in VRChat" in their descriptions.
tfw dont have a mmd avatar
So after Oculus updated, it lost detection of my sensors and none of them appear in my Devices list. However, SteamVR picks all three sensors up fine, and I can still use my headset and controllers perfectly for both SteamVR and the Oculus interface.
I would definetly get htc vive when I get money.
U reminded me I turned off that beta oculus home
character thumb bends backwards why is that?
It was acting as a third monitor screwing up my pc
He got the thumb disease?
Probably rigged incorrectly.
Remind me of a video I saw of someone in vrchat with some weird fingers
I'm tried using MMD to VRChat avatar. Polygons: 244458
but in the muscles & settings it looks fine
MMD models aren't actually made for games so ya couldn't really blame the models.
I'm using the Oculus Home beta. I haven't encountered any major problems with using the beta. I just struggled with setting up the sensor view yesterday with three sensors, and my headset kept shutting off on me today. All of those problems have been resolved though, and I was able to get back into playing games.
I download MMD Hatsune Miku V4X model by Digitrevx.
Anyway the best avatars are mostly mmd.
Lol
Not necessarily. 
There are a lot of other good models out there.
Get one that really expressive like them
Facial wise
I have no idea why parts of the text is turning into a URL link to Google Maps on my end. It happens sometimes when I put a number in, and it might be assuming I'm putting an address in.
In those cases, then yes. 'cause all most of them uses the same default MMD expressions.

Its called anime expression standard
Or default MMD expressions. 
How to resizer?
You can rescale in unity directly.
To change avatar size set scale in its transform node
Then set vrc avatar descriptor head point at the right height
That isnt resizing
The limit is 20k
Faces?
Tris
hello?
close the phone
can i somehow fix the backwar thumb problem with the fingers in unity?
Might need more information for that lel
Again how can we know the cause
From that little info
Check ur thumb bone in unity
Try rotating it and see what happens
Remember to reset it after so its not stuck that way
Can be a bad rigging otherwise.
check your vertex groups as well
you should probably ask in #avatars-2-general or #avatar-rigging
ok thx
Darn
DISLIKE WMR controllers cause constently relys on bloody batteries
batteries > charging tbh
How to fix face?
Get rechargeable batteries
And another vague question
How can we give a fix
If we dont know the problem
@opal pecan carefully. You don't want to decimate the face too much if you can avoid it as it is full of shape keys and triangles for a reason.
You cant decimate something with shape keys iirc
not automatically, no.
you can still manually go through and delete/dissolve things, which is still technically decimation.
I doubt someone asking for help could do it that way
never doubt the actions of someone who does not know what they are doing.
most of us self-taught people learn by trying and finding "well that doesn't work..."
How to translate Japanese to English with CATS?
Are you using MMD and are you following a guide?
Ain't PMX models MMDs?
So.. you are using an MMD?
Follow this guide if you're using an MMD
Oh, I forgot use PMXEditior.
Your really hard to understand
I'm beginning to suspect that english is not Arinnas' first language...
I feel like he's following an old guide combined with a CATS guide.
ouch. I feel that we as a community need to do a transcription of Tupper's videos.
My head is dizzy.
I'm not supprised. This world of youtube tutorials with all the important information in the audio must be a pain in the neck.
I've got to go to work now, Have a good day all!
How to add CC in YT videos?
cc?
Captions
When on a video -> Move (its close to the description and where the report button is) -> Add captions
Ooh, found it. Danke.
why do german words fascinate me
anyone else having issues with horribly slow loading worlds/avatars?
talking 10+ minutes to load a world
@opal pecan im a selective mute, lol
@earnest harbor not really it was pretty slow yesterday tho.
it's been like that for 2 patches
Alright, I shocked how good people can do things with avatars. Someone just had an emote, that had like 7 other characters spawn and did a full on concert lol
Even YoRHa Unit No. 2 Type B was awesome and did a little musical of sorts lol
issue with emotes like that
they are costly on performance
since unless all the models are very optimized thats 7 extra characters, and probably alot of light/particle effects
Yeah, one time person spawned as character from one piece, then 2 more spawned in kind of and they all sung/danced too Psy's song Gentleman
You will still be bound to the 20k poly limit, so all the characters combined will still be under 20k, not that that really impacts perfomance much, its more the lights and particles
But any avatar can do that
err no
if the object isn't active as part of the character
but part of an animation
it isn't counted towards the 20k
my model is 19.9k yet my smoke pipe is 2k
that would make me 21.9k
but since the pipe is hidden before my animation
Really? I added a gun and it counted to the limit and didnt let me upload
Hm, im pretty sure I did that but maybe not
basically in the inspector you have to click the box
I guess that would be a way to bypass the limit
Ok
Anyone else have problem with logging on?
same
Damn, just saw someone turn into my avatar and then leave the world. I couldn't catch him name 😦 pretty lame stuff.
@tawdry apex If you grab your output log and attach it to an email to moderation@vrchat.com and mention the time it happened they might have a chance of catching and dealing with them.
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt

Yo, Wiggly
Can you unfriend someone if they're offline?
Yes but the social tab is currently borked.
Okay, that must be it.
Everything just died today?
Maybe they are planning to fix a lot of things this weekend?
I hope
Fixing things in weekends...
Unless the company loves to pay people overtime and extra money they would avoid doing anything important before the weekend or on the weekend
Has Hyperdimension of Ozicom jjust kinda vanished?
I don't know if my courtroom even needs it, but I guess I could change my portal to make it lead to Uganda instead of prison.
Maybe it's being updated, wait till tomorrow.
@umbral reef You never know
@unborn gulch I know that paying people extra money without reason is not something most companies like to do and i know that pushing an update that can break the whole game is not smart to do if you will not have people running around that can fix it 
It can be they still will do a patch just for today and see how it goes but eh
Good morning friends
Good morning! @tender sapphire
Good morning
The next log
Day 5: Sent about 50 emails. Probably got blocked for being too dedicated. Counter blox Roblox offensive will have to do for this time. Gonna rekt some noobs.
Um.... I play phantom forces
XD
Me: not a streamer I'm streaming now
Everyone else: surrounds you and asks for your twitch
Me: I'm not streaming
Someone within my crowd: can you put me in your stream highlight?
works every time
more effective if you're female
/r/niceguys comes running while peeing themselves
5 at least
And that’d be 4 3.0s?
yes. Even with the minimum 3-sensors for roomscale, it's murder on your USB bandwidth
I wish oculus would offer an outlet option like what Vive does.
well yeah, I guess.
if you don't have much more plugged in then you can just have a separate hub for all your oculus stuff (this only helps if it's a hub that plugs into the wall)
Depends. Like do you have a desktop or a laptop? Because you can get a PCIe usb card to add more ports. But on a laptop you’d need to make sure that it is a damn good hub
Desktop
yeah, it's no surprise why VR ready laptops only advertise with Vive headsets showing.
I prefer Oculus but their tracking is a joke. By now I'd have liked Rift tracking to be at least on par with Vive.
Oh yeah then you can get something like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZWC7TL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_iGBFAbCZSRZ0G
For a catch up job it's not bad
"i'm not a hardcore VRChatter"... said no one ever
I play occasionally.
I only go to certain events, like Endgame and Open Mic night.
But I live vicariously through Nagzz and Ryan1993uk and Jakubba YT videos.
doesnt have VR gear
people think i'm famous
Where do you report Hackers?
alt+f4 (lol)
on one hand, i hate how the hackers constantly trick me into using models i spend hours customizing so that they can steal them and on the other i hate myself for falling for their friendly demeanors constantly
Either report them in the google document in #moderation-reports or moderation@vrchat.com
OOoof
literally just now i got approached by some nice hackers who pretended to be interested in learning to customize models extensively, they invited me to a private world so that i could teach them the intricacies of blender and unity uninterrupted, letting my guard down i decided to show them one of my most worked on models only to have it immediately stolen by all three of them
@finite trout aw man, that sux big time
the worst part is that some of the assets are things i paid for and a few are also no longer for download.
report them? if you have names?
they can change their names so it's useless
they changed it like three times after taking my models and jumping into different portals
crap
i doubt the name i knew them by is accurate anyways
Give your output log to moderation@vrchat.com
yeah don't trust people. I'm hosting an event for low polygon count because no one wants to steal low polygon avatars.
!outputlog
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
Also include what time it happened.
what's the outputlog take from?
thank you advert
does it reset each time you launch the game?
Yes.... did you reset your game?
yes...
OOoof
😦
Rip
:/
Welp, lessons for the future then
true
Feels bad
feelsbadman.jpeg
But, it’s Friday
In case someone does that to you again, do that. 
yeah i'll do it
i try to take screenshots as well but i dunno how reliable they are
if someone does that immedialtely alt+F4 out of there and send the logs
also every model in the game is like 20k polys
unless you mean to have them even lower in which case i don't see the point of spending hours getting bases and clothes and things
just like i found an avatar of a link hoppou with a gun that seems to be on a private server (someone else opened a portal to it) mimi's avatars was it's name but, it doesn't come up when searched
You mean Nimi’s Cafe?
same name diff place
a couple people i know are working on models wiith 50 polygon faces exactly
It’s probably a private world
yeah
it's some skill too
Hell yeah
50 should be interesting maybe a painting that talks?
don't you have to like, hack the sdk?
for what? 50 faces?
You don’t
OH
not 50,000 polygons
just 50
They are making the models in Blender
creating from scratch
Yes
I thought you meant 50k
XD
do anyone know where i can get that skin? it has a lot of dance emotes https://i.imgur.com/2t3XlEu.jpg
Mind blown
i'm sure there's a bunch of people running around with models over the supposed 20k limit
doesn't each model upload has a unique id in the VRchat system per model? and the VRC descriptor actually label each model individually?
Yes, Cheese.
some of them are too smooth looking (and makes laggy gameplay for others)
^
there should be a server, the person on the screen uses steam login
It's because people don't atlas and combine their meshes. :^)
how come the admins don't check for people using the exact same model id and then report them off of that?
i like the northern princess model and have one made by a friend that is exactly 19999 poly
Does anyone know how to fix this?
http://puu.sh/zk4D9/ea5122212c.jpg
it was inevitable that retards would abuse the workaround. vrchat should have raised the poly limit way sooner.
#user-support-old, Felix.
Might have to re import the SDK
I did that.
Poly limit will not be raised as far as I know.
Felix you have to open a new project
boooooo
and import it from scratch
r i p
same thing happened to me a while ago
Is there a model in there Felix?
I heard that there were whispers about raising the poly limit but nothing was set in stone.
That shouldn’t affect
If they do rase the poly limit, it should be after the servers get more beefy
As long as you made a new scene
no i tried that
Rumors are rumors. 
new scene fails too
Not for me
rumors should be true
soo..
It worked perfectly fine
what do I do, exactly?

I’d first try to re import the SDK
I've done that, Taxic
Better to have a limit on other stuff first then release limit on others, imo.
Even redownloaded it?
yes
It fixed my problem after
if anything i'd say 60 poly is a good number
Deleted the entire folder
not like uber hd
Hmmm
reinstalled it
but not garbo either
Made a new scene?
60 polylimit meta
yep doing that now
we should all be the Polygon logo
everyone's a walking cubw
gamecube graphics can only do so much
Also, poly limit doesn't mean shit in this game. It barely affects performance
I don't know why people are throwing fits.
it's mostly for particles
It's particles and excessive amounts of materials.
yeah
poorly coded shaders too
I blame the ppl that go "but u can easily decimate"
Aye, that's what I said.
Lotsa people don't atlas + combine their meshes.
A friend of mine has a 400k poly model that does not drop a single frame for me
And I have a 970, not the best setup.
Also, scene doesn't work.
That’s a lot of polygons to decimate
I've seen the '300k booby priest' and my computer doesnt feel a single issue.
Jesus

he doesn't decimate
just EXPORTING the model as an fbx breaks it in unity for me
Weird
I have a 600k poly godzilla model. (Not ingame, by the way. Fuck that shit, it kills my unity)
Just sayin', modifying it could get ya banned. 
shhhhhhhhh
Yeah
If they ban people for not decimating, then this game will die.
I just wanted to enjoy the game how it is
I'm sorry, lol
before papa pill sees discord and encrypts files
Plus I think modding is again TOS
They're always silently watching.
Against*
that's honestly the best thing to do Loli
I'm pretty sure they're aware
😱
encrypt the files so the hackers don't get in
then eventually the ones who are there will be caught
and the rest will fizzle out
and then raise poly limit
I’ve enjoyed the game for what it is
The polygon limit is by far the stupidest, and useless thing in this game. They have to take other measure in order to clear their lag issues, not limit people by such low numbers.
I’ve watched other people add amazing gadgets
They're doing the best that they can but smol team could only be so fast. 
Exactly
once the servers get some beef behind them
and they can trust people not to be dicks
we might get a poly count raise
They really need to optimize particles and materials, then I'm sure we wouldn't have such an issue.
Very entertaining
sound bug?
^^
Yes.
Yeah ikr
I'm fucking tired of people going up to me and popping a gunshot in my ear
Like after a while of playing
and it blows my headphones off
the whole trust ship has sailed. it's how the internet works.
The game will start lagging and the sound starts bugging out
@vocal shard >_>
:o
I like my ears too, you know.
You shouldn't ping him unless it's really important.
Tbh the only thing I hate is the security updatr
Is this not important, seriously?
Update*
"we're working on it. being president of vr is hard" there's your answer
Like emergency important.
vr pill isn't even a dev either so
Also, they already know that bug so why remind them of it? 
Meh
This is a killer bug, people are going into every single room blasting their sounds which absolutely kills.
i feel like until the game can get a sense of everyone just going "Hey fuck you hackers" and hiding in private worlds until the hackers go away this will be a repeat issue
It's to remind them that people are growing tired of it. I'm sorry, but it's the truth.
As they may be aware, we're also aware that they're aware.
But, it doesn't change the fact that people are starting to step away because of it.
Trust me, everyday, someone complains about that.
That's true.
@unborn gulch Am I able to bring my models into a new project?
:|
Don’t know
you can straight up copy paste the files over
I never needed to
smh
but any dynamic bones or vrchat descriptors will be gone
What about animations?
I hope this doesn't turn into a discord protest. let's not bark up the wrong tree here. a chaotic discord won't solve known issues any quicker
skeletons and animations will be gone too
The game is in it's early stages, so you guys gonna be riding the development wave until we reach the shore. 
50 polygon avatar by pupypup (i copied his screenshot link) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411010074572488714/411365587323846656/WIP_Model.png?width=428&height=398
you'll just have to reapply them
@vocal shard valid points
this is one of the few games that actually can make the early access excuse
But cat does it have lipsync and eyetracking
how should i know?
lol


also something to note (i was in dunkey's video in the background with my friends)
send proof
I'm on my sofa.
Wait, really?
It usually takes a day or 2 for them to respond to their moderation email right?
cats don't typically operate computers so maybe be patient with them when they are trying 
I've never seen myself in one.
where do you want the screenie?

I've sworn i've seen your model like 3-4 times before ive seen you.
You can post your pic in #general-media or #vrchat-pictures because it's VRC related.
It usually takes a day or 2 for them to respond to their moderation email?
I think so.
kill me
Hmmm, been waiting 5 days 🤔 I wonder if they hate me
And you've probably seen someone else with the model but not myself. 
As Tupper said before, you might or might not receive a reply.
I’ve sent multiple
Spammer >:3
Doesn't mean you'll get a reply even if you sent them a million, non?
@unborn gulch they're probably just behind schedule because of hackers wanting their accounts back
Shes just a mom ;~;
inthe background of that pic, freezy and armless run the discord i'm in so we were there chatting about something
i must learn how to put textures on my cat 3d model through blender
or can i use unity to drag the textures on?
unity
just make a new material with right click
If it's completely untextured, unrwap it's uv.
click and drag
😵
It is recommended to atlas your materials.
it's so easy even my cat could do it
So you don't have a million materials in one modle.
@tender sapphire :0
i found a cat 3d model on a 3d model website (not even close to that one) and if i can do this right i can have my own custom cat
custom cat best cat
it's a low-poly cat
Question, what should I do with the sliders when I atlas to not make the texture quality drop
dude don't underestimate low poly models the last thing we want is another uganda knuckles
Shhh
only this time, it's a cat, and also based in france
We don’t talk about that word!
or something
Shhhhhh
one of my models is 0 poly get gud

thin air
I just exist.
Dont talk about that african country

NO ADVERT
Do you need mmd tools for mmd importing to work?
yes
?
unfriended and blocked
Ya don't even have me friended
knuckles 
you can try to do it with cats tools but they say that mmd tools is still required
Because I'm on a computer where I can't access the installation folder with blender
KIZUNA AI
gudbpoint
cats tools?
Of blender
No it's not a Mac
rip
What's your issue with blender? I use it on mac/win/linux so I kinda know what I'm doing. @tawny elk
I just don't have permissions
oh
Since I'm not an admin on this computer
Make it a globul emote--
Granted I can request them but that's too much time
I think I'll just convert the mmd to .blend or something at home
@tawny elk there'll be a user addons dir for blender you do have write permissions to in the local user config, lemme find the path for you
wait you can MAKE emotes global?

I mean, you need to have the twitch thing--
I only have gdq emotes from being a sub
With nitro you can use emotes from others severs
@tawny elk %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\2.79\ stick this in explorer, it should take you to your local blender config directory.
That's a cute birb, SC. 
It is
https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/dev/getting_started/installing/configuration/directories.html This should also be of use for explaining the layout.
i still need to buy a mr x.x
twitch thing?
Will try later since I won't be at the computer again in approximately 3 hours
Not exactly sure how to make emotes be global.
ahem... #3d-modeling
I just know global emotes could be used anywhere without nitro.
They used to be a global emote thing
so you know how Vrchat avatars are assigned an ID when they are uploaded?
Now it only comes from twitch subscriptions
You can't put your own, no.
but if they just started to report everyone with the same avatar id, it'd mess up the avatar pedistals right?
back in the day everyone had better discord now barely ppl have it FeelsAkariMan
🤔
I don't think so.
idk why ppl use built in emotes instead of BD
It's not cute ^
UmaruDerp ?
Oh, BD. I thought like "BD" the actually ascii face.
the way that avatar pedistals work is that it takes an uploaded avatar, takes the id for it, and applies it to whoever interacts with it, giving them that avatar

people abuse the capture the flag game by being a microscopic cat and taking the objective
I'd imagine under the hood, clicking on an avatar in your menu, and an avatar pedestal work very similar, with the difference of one is permanent and the other resets on the next session.
what if, rather than copying the existing id and using that as a basis
those game modes are hopelessnin public rooms
when someone interacts with an avatar pedistal, it simply uploads the file altogether directly to their profile?
that way, people would get a unique id for every model, despite having the same ones
and then anyone who has the same model id as someone else in the server would under most circumstances be a hacker!
the only time they wouldn't be, is if they are using any of the default models included upon downloading the game
that sounds like effort for no reason
@finite trout A way for sharing avatars, and security fixes to prevent avatar copying when not desired are planned, and in the case of security actively being worked on.
Not exactly sure if it's like this but modded players will have multiple different avatar ID in them instead of just having one. They probably have something else that can check if those avatars in their account have a similar ID from another person.
but @finite trout they could turn people into pedestals which would tell the system to give them a new ID for someone else's model
I know, gallium, i'm just speculating on how one might go about doing that
is that how the hacking works?
Smugli was talking about BD before.
At least that's how I think it does.
Never used it, can't tell you how it works. 
i know they said "like a pedistal" but i think it was moreso for comparison
that's how i would do it, if i was a hacker, but i can't even figure out how to do anything related to code, so i'm probably not a hacker
hmm
I'd go about explaining what exactly could be done, but Unity itself is a blubbering mess.
as far as i know, the way the hack works is that they copy the id that exists, and upload it to their profile or themselves
similar to the way pedistals work now
@finite trout It is like a pedestal.
It's possible with some clever twiddling of the SDK triggers to cause an avatar change without having to walk up to a regular pedestal and interact with it.
but it doesn't turn you INTO a pedistal, does it?
It pretends you are.
Oh yeah, and they "save" it in their character so that's something to check too. 
their computer pretends you're a pedestal
Yeah, currently its isnt about stolen avatar id's, it's about stolen avatars in general.
At their side, you become one. You see nothing different until they suddenly turn into your avatar.
my original idea was to have a system run and check for duplicate people with the same model id and report them, but that would mess up anyone who used an avatar pedistal
At which point you freak out mildly, screenshot it, grab your outputlog and send a report and get them banned. :D
^
which is why i've been trying to find a workaround
I know, i'm just enjoying playing pretend
you cant stop hackers
i have faith in the devs
you can slow them to a snail's pace, but you cant stop them
Avatar IDs connected to Pedastals can just be public and 'hackable' but private IDs are personally encrypted to the account
You aren't Nona-bot? But you have this avatar, get banned my friend.
yes but in order to make the pedistal, you take the id of the private model and put it on
Then it becomes a public model?
it's the same system
That avatar id is connected to a pedastal, and thus public. o,o
the hackers simply replace all "Avatars" with "avatar pedistals"
and pick the ones they like
Thats just bad code serverside.
Which shouldn't, and isn't how it happens in the first place.
it wasn't a problem until people started to hack everyone
Ideally, some kind of system where the avatar data is encrypted, and when needed the owner sends a one-time decryption key to all clients who have attempted to load that avatar.
that way an avatar can only be used when the owner is actually present.
Now if something like this is even doable, lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
it probably is, but would take time and resources away from doing other things
or we could simply make the avatars password protected?
honestly the "easiest" solution would be to temporarily remove avatar pedistals until they figure out how to fix the bug.
Thats what Gallium basically said, Cat.
The 'bug' isn't really due to avatar pedestals.
The simplest way to fix it is server-side auth for all actions.
In reality that would HAMMER the poor API server to death and back several times.
unfortunately
though sometimes the best solution to the problem is usually the easiest
Time out too many API calls, beef up the server, and offload other calls to other servers.
And also some kind of client integrity check, so if someone is modifying the client, it fails the check and the server will tell them to fuck off.
honestly that sounds like the best one
definitely
"oh you have a program that messes with our code? goodbye!"
check if they are the same**
Not ban, just show a login error.
ban if not the same
I know, but I wanted to say it anyway.
login error... system check shows different code than original
Quickly, we need denuvo on the client!
Like:
`There's something wrong with your VRChat install, please reinstall nd try again.
If this message persists, contact VRChat support via your local carrier pigeons`
Changing sound volume will edit the client though?
that could work
perfect solution, gallium
but that's also basing on the assumption they aren't using a hacked SDK to upload models that run custom scripts
avatar's can't contain scripts.
Incorrect
the loli army directly contradicts that statement
their spinny logo thing has a few dynamic bones, and a python script running that makes it rotate
what
That's just animations.
That's an animation
Thats just animations
Triple kill. 
not as far as i know
Well I just finished classes for today
And dynamic bone is specifically whitelisted and some fun stuff happenes with it on upload.
All I’m doing is chilling
Over kill.
i downloaded the thing and it has a script called "rotate"
Rampage.
unless i'm thinking about it wrong
Was its extension called ".anim"?
let me double checc
If they've found a way to do that (which I kinda doubt) that's one hell of a bug.
Running riot.
Hello all
Hello there
oof

How are we all today?
no you guys are rite

No I’m left
The only things checked server side are basically scripts and blacklisted plugins
it was a animation script
i think a whitelist would be better than a blacklist
tbh we should probably tweak that so that people can't spam gigantic particles, loud noises, and blinding lights
restricting "all but" instead of "only this"
It is a whitelist.
Block all, except:list
@rough pulsar a whitelist is a list of things to block? not an exception list
or am I mistaken
Thats called a blacklist.
I've been awake too goddamn long, but as far as I know a whitelist is a block ALL except ALLOWED
Whereas a blacklist is allow ALL except BLOCKED
oh ok nvm
a blacklist is a list of dark and dangerous things to get rid of
a whitelist is a list of things that are pure and okay
Am I ok?
As far as I know, I'm hungry. Someone order me free pizza.
I just got home with pizza. 😻
Zarni, share.
Advert, come by, I'll order some pizza from Omar's
They're massive and amazing
Give me your fax
I have my own pizza in the freezer.
(°v°)
It's cooked in a stone oven aswell
Dang, look at fancypants Zarni and his PizzaFax module.
(°o°)
Do you recommend Pizza from that, Gallium?
I was thinking of just sending a crude drawing of a pizza
Over here in england we have to squish each slice of salami down the phone line by hand.
There are 6040 users in VRChat currently
There's none near me but I'll get one there if I get near one.
There are 31273 users in the VRChat discord
Good bots. 
11000 are online
The best way is to eat pizza while playing on vrchat with htc vive.
@vocal shard I totally do.
When I was working with some dudes who's workshop was near there we'd have pizza from there on a regular basis.
hot glue a tracker to the pizza so you can see the pizza in VR
Also the vive is the best HMD for eating pizza with.
That extra $200 for the front camera is absolutely worth it for the ability to eat pizza easily while in VR.
Lol.
what
the camera is not $200
Which feels more natural
the camera is $10
Vive or Occulus
Vive
For pizza eating? The vive. Without a doubt.
I'll just lie on the floor sideways, HMD on face, roll up the pizza like a burrito and slowly push it into my mouth as I keep eating it
W-what the fuck is going on.
All these pizza talk is actually making me hungry now... and I only have alcohol near me. :c
Pizza talk, @topaz notch
Delicious
save the drink for this evening
Clearly we're all pizza freaks.
I have hours until lunch
I'm saving it for Sunday. Drunk stream with friend. 
Please stop 😭
we can all play "never have i ever" on VRChat
I heard someone one day who doesnt like pizzas. He was arguing with almost everyone on a discord server about it
I just want to say, all orders that I've placed online only consist of hawaiian pizza.
...
pineapple on pizza is a godsend
😖
CHEESE PIZZA WITH STUFFED CRUST and extra cheese on top
It's good tasting. 
I'm going to rip off Advert's advertismenets next time i see them.
Lmao
When I meet people who don't like pizza, all I want to do is give them so much love and care because something has hurt them so deeply that they don't like pizza and no human deserves to live with that kind of suffering.



They'll fix it somedei.

