TFW the $400 headset turns to £400 when you click the UK page 😦
#vrchat-general-2
olive pine
raven silo
vocal shard
you dont know what youre missing out on
olive pine
£400 is $550
fiery rune
i have an asus laptop
olive pine
ah
olive pine
I think Oculus are making a loss on their headsets
it's stupid cheap compared to everything else
possibly
glossy wharf
I mean technically its just small screens with sensors
raven silo
live in australia not best place live in want to play video and use tech lol
olive pine
Rift is the proper VR. The others are like mobile experiences I believe
sharp moth
i've never used a cv1, i wonder how it will compare to my dk2
raven silo
your own govermant taxes over charge it
glossy wharf
when you live in australia but cant speak english
cold bolt
literally what is the point of this "Vael's Challenge" world and why did the creator have to write snobby shit everywhere?
fiery rune
i might as well get the rift since its like 50 dollars more expensive than wmr
cold bolt
i don't know, but the signs seem to indicate the creators think everyone is lazy for not trying it
fiery rune
and its better
olive pine
do you have the system requirements for the rift?
glossy wharf
id buy the rift even if the vive was the same price not gonna lie
fiery rune
no idea
glossy wharf
the controllers are way better
fiery rune
i have a core i5
rich ember
yeah but longevity is not so great
olive pine
cold bolt
even though there is literally no indication of what you're supposed to do or what the point of this world is
glossy wharf
yes it is
rich ember
I'd back rift if they announced somethign new for desktop
glossy wharf
why would they
sharp moth
has anyone here used both a dk2 and a v1?
sharp moth
i ordered a cv1 mainly because of the controllers vs the vive
rich ember
because they're gonna get stomped on my WMR and Vive
glossy wharf
No they wont lol
rich ember
WMR is cheaper, Vive will be better performing
cold bolt
what's WMR?
olive pine
what do you mean something new?
rich ember
rift stuck in the middle
glossy wharf
vr is nowhere near mass consumer, wmr has a lot of restrictions the oculus doesnt have and the vive is fucking expensive
candid ocean
So, what's with people just using other people's avatars? Just came across a guy that was constantly changing between everyone's avatars.
atomic galleon
has the hacker issue been solved yet or no?
glossy wharf
the rift is literally in the best spot right now
rich ember
in a couple of months the rift will be the lowest res hmd available
olive pine
they're not replacing the vive with the vive pro
cold bolt
WMR what is
glossy wharf
The vive and vive pro are two different things
rich ember
Windows Mixed Reality
glossy wharf
the vive pro is the ultra high end
olive pine
the vive pro will be the uber expensive one for the most dedicated users
rich ember
I would not call vive pro ultra high end
olive pine
compared to everything else it is
rich ember
if pimax 8k ever gets their ass in gear that' will be ultra high end
glossy wharf
well name one thats more high end
olive pine
lmao pimax
cold bolt
wait, that microsoft AR headset from a couple years back? was there a new CES reveal?
rich ember
vive pro wants to keep up with wmr displays
glossy wharf
you cant be serious
olive pine
"8k" lmao 
glossy wharf
this guys actually trolling
rich ember
I know their marketing bs
olive pine
upscaled to 8k, in the worlds biggest headset
glossy wharf
WMR is total shit
rich ember
Talking displays dude
rich ember
get over your self please
glossy wharf
What does an 8k display give me if i cant use my fucking arms
better spend 1000 dollars on that.
olive pine
check yourself before you rek yourself
glossy wharf
could also just ductape a fucking monitor to my head then tbh
fiery rune
apparently my graphics card and cpu dont meet the requirements
fiery rune
ree
rich ember
wmr is 1440 per eye like vive pro
olive pine
sorry tam 😦 When you said you have a laptop I did wonder
rich ember
only thing wmr sucks on is trackign
olive pine
it doesn't just suck on tracking. you basically can't do anything without looking at your hands
glossy wharf
and thats the main thing on vr
olive pine
worse than wii bowling
rich ember
if wmr ever offers and external tracking solution they'll be the cheapest highest res Hmd on the market
fiery rune
i need a gtx 970 but i have a nvidia 920
glossy wharf
no
versed sleet
Pimax - is a knock off company of sharks
olive pine
you realise that by offering an external tracking solution they'd no longer be cheaper?
glossy wharf
and once again the rift will be the winner
vocal shard
i saw someone who said my charactere was cool and instantly he transforme to my avatar like if he have click on a pedestal ?? that soo strange . he runaway just after that with my avatar .
versed sleet
The only premium VR is Vive - and Vive Pro
rich ember
two 60 dollar external cameras will still be cheaper than vive
glossy wharf
no?
rich ember
yes
glossy wharf
no
raven silo
@vocal shard there hacker around
rich ember
@torn hawk I would like to see something cool done with the windows kinect
raven silo
stay in private world and friend only
vocal shard
@raven silo i report this personne and i got some picture of him with his name
raven silo
@vocal shard yea send to moderation report
rich ember
complete kit for vive is 600
olive pine
@vocal shard check #vrchat-support for the details on how to forward the pic
vocal shard
already done but the google report i ant send picture
fiery rune
it says i need a gtx 970 but i have a geforce 920, would that still be good enough to use it?
rich ember
[3:53 AM] Mert7: two 60 dollar external cameras will still be cheaper than vive
vocal shard
theres an adapter coming for vive for wireless
fiery rune
thats my graphics card at least
rich ember
Display
raven silo
@vocal shard but becareful there other hacker can banned people
glossy wharf
oh yeah
so you think that bigger displays will have the same price as the current ones?
glossy wharf
LUL
olive pine
fiery rune
i need a "better" cpu as well it seems
rich ember
yeah you're not holding on to this discussion very well
olive pine
Vive Pro will be at least £200 more imo
raven silo
@vocal shard there target streamer
fiery rune
i5-6200U
rich ember
vive pro is gonna be a steep buy in
fiery rune
wtf its asking me for the 4k one
rich ember
but it'll probably drop next year
olive pine
@fiery rune chances are if you're on a laptop you won't be able to uprgade those parts
versed sleet
The Pimax device is being marketed to gullible persons and twenty-sum things who do not understand the nature of business. Pimax is out to take your cash. It is a legless company with no partners. The device is very poorly designed and engineer. Alternatively - Vive has a half billion global ecosystem in place ( who have also funded VR chat) are partnered with Google, Steam and Intel.
fiery rune
would i still be able to use the rift though?
olive pine
If you don't meet the system requirements, probably not
fiery rune
dammit
olive pine
you also need 3 USB3 ports and a HDMI port
versed sleet
Engineered*
fiery rune
yeah my ports are good
glossy wharf
yeah you're not holding on to this discussion very well Yeah because clearly the new displays will be handed out for free at the same price current wmr is handed out
you just dont get it
olive pine
my advice would be to find someone who has one, and try it on your laptop. but chances are it will really struggle with most games
versed sleet
or manufactured- depending on your point of view
raven silo
rift you have to make sure your motherboard cant even support rift
if dont support it need buy PCi usb 3.0 card
fiery rune
i dont have friends hgbf
olive pine
usb 3.0 card i slike £15
fiery rune
let alone one who has a vr
olive pine
I added one for my rift lol
rich ember
@glossy wharf yup, I just don't get it. you're points are all over the map
olive pine
you're points
fiery rune
rift isnt apparently
olive pine
they are points
glossy wharf
How are my points all over the map. You say they will have new displays and i say that will make em more expensive
raven silo
wmr and vive more easy setup dont need buy extra stuff
glossy wharf
are you actually just trying to troll
fiery rune
so, just to be sure, wmr would run well on a geforce 920 with an i5 core?
rich ember
Lets put it simple. as things stand now vr round up from worst to best: WMR, Vive, Rift, Vive PRO.
IF wmr uses an external tracking solution with a couple cameras at 60 bucks each the order would change too:
Vive, Rift, WMR, Vive PRO
dollars for perfomance and everything
olive pine
@fiery rune
CPU: Intel Mobile Core i5 (e.g. 7200U) Dual-Core with Hyperthreading equivalent
GPU: Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 620 (GT2) equivalent or greater DX12 API Capable
GPU RAM: 8GB+ Dual Channel required for integrated Graphics
HDMI: HDMI 1.4 or DisplayPort 1.2 for 60Hz head-mounted displays
HDMI: HDMI 2.0 or DisplayPort 1.2 for 90Hz head-mounted displays
HDD: 100GB+ SSD (Preferred) / HDD
USB: USB 3.0 Type-A or USB 3.1 Type-C Port with DisplayPort Alternate Mode
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0 for accessories
@fiery rune it run but wont be best experince
raven silo
vr need better cpu
rich ember
I dunno about you, but I'd gladly pay an extra 120 bucks for a full kit that has better PPI and resolution
fiery rune
i dont have the money to get a headset plus a better pc
fiery rune
so like would it lag or something?
im okay with that sorta but not ifmy movements are bad
olive pine
tamerlein from the specs I @'ed you in, it seems like you may only just be able to use a windows mixed reality. But I'm talking BARELY
so yes it wouldn't be a good quality experience
fiery rune
hh
olive pine
you want it to run really smooth, otherwise it just gives you headaches and makes you feel sick
rich ember
you don't really wanna barely run VR because your experiences will be limited, and when you start dropping frames in vr it can bring on motion sickness like a mofo
fiery rune
i might be able to get a better pc along the track
olive pine
Start saving 😛
rich ember
like now
fiery rune
might as well not bother with the vr for now aa
raven silo
i never get motion sickness lol
vocal shard
same
rich ember
start saving now and hope for killer deals in november
olive pine
Honestly Tam you're probably not missing out too much right now
the next gen VR stuff will be so much better
things will get cheaper
fiery rune
ooh
raven silo
vive pro come out vive would be cheaper
vocal shard
Nosa, are you Jupiter something?
raven silo
everyone want to sale there vive get vive pro
odd lava
Not rly
olive pine
I'm talking after vive pro
rich ember
@raven silo vive won't drop in price for a while
olive pine
like vive 2, oculus 2, etc
crystal epoch
VR is an expensive gimmick.
fiery rune
damn
rich ember
it'll sell at it's current price till next year
olive pine
things like built in eye tracking etc
raven silo
it will on ebay lol
fiery rune
aw you dont need built in eye tracking though
tall monolith
Maaaaaaaaaa.......n
fiery rune
you can get that easily in blender
olive pine
No no I'm not talking about that
tall monolith
77 times I saw that ugandan knuckles anthem
olive pine
I'm talking about actually being able to naturally look around with your eyes in all games
raven silo
vrchat dont even support real life eye tracking they do silmulation eye tracking
odd lava
Ppl will try to sell only hmd, which noone will buy
fiery rune
ooo
raven silo
eye tracking be really heavy on the network i dont think we every see in vrchat lol
till get good servers
vocal shard
youre unneccessary
odd lava
Immersion
fiery rune
looks cool
odd lava
Done
olive pine
Yeah imo just 2 but thats fine.
More immersive and a more natural experience.
we look with our eyes IRL
vocal shard
@torn hawk so people see where youre looking at
rich ember
Foveated rendering, aim assist, multi player immersion (model eyes look where you look)
there's at least 3
olive pine
bruh you're putting words in my mouth here, I'm not saying specifically VR chat will use it. I was saying to Tam that in the future, next gen VR headsets will be better, and have features like that.
idle spire
aim assist
rich ember
@torn hawk you said a use, doesn't have to be a use you'd use
fiery rune
so the best thing to do right now is wait it seems
olive pine
yeah
I don't think you're missing out majorly. Join in VRC without one, you can still hang out with people, talk, etc
you just can't pat lolis on the head
rich ember
and you can't disc battle
fiery rune
yeah i do have vrchat already, i just wanted a headset because it looks fun ;_;
rich ember
lol
odd lava
Well Oculus is dirty cheap as much as I hate the company
olive pine
Tam's laptop doesn't meet the spec for oculus
rich ember
if you wanna hurt Oculus, buy the headset and don't use their store
Rift is sold at a loss
olive pine
they bundle it with the store selling fuckin star trek for £40
rich ember
bridge crew looks cool, but everyone says it's too short
rich ember
and that's a thing that's killing vr games, they're all too short
odd lava
Oculus is designed based on valve vive' prototype and stollen tech ;p
olive pine
welcome to the real world
brave dragon
Oculus came first
olive pine
you don't think that happens in every industry?
odd lava
Well Oculus lost lawsuit and will lose next one
brave dragon
^
glossy wharf
Actually its all stolen from apples new eye sensor
that just came out end of last year
rich ember
the lawsuit was because palmer was using designs he created while under the employ of another vr start up company
odd lava
@torn hawk you are uneducated kid with 0 knowledge of current tech
olive pine
it happens in cars, it happens in electronics, it happens in gaming, it happens in every fucking industry where something isn't locked down solid with a patent
glossy wharf
and actually bill gates himself resurrected steve jobs to make that lens
vocal shard
I heard the vive is based on tech from area 51.
fiery rune
haha
glossy wharf
the vive is actually technology from mars
brave dragon
Vive is run on a steam engine
rich ember
Elon Musk went there personally and sold it to HTC
ionic vigil
cpu's out of words luled
brave dragon
and it goes choo choo
rich ember
if you die in VR you die in real life
olive pine
DOES NOT COMPUTE
fast vapor
I wish so @rich ember
glossy wharf
elon musk is actually steve jobs
also the htc rift and the oculus vive are the same company: xbox by sony
rich ember
xbox by sony is owned by a parent company called Sega Atari
odd lava
Well it is apparently easier than understanding basics of VR tech which is common knowledge
fast vapor
HMD technology has existed since the 70s
rich ember
Vewfinders were boss
brave dragon
Lycon gib sauce
where did you get your magical knowledge?
of wonders
and hope
Also on a side note of VR, it's great more companies are making VR headsets
more competition, and the WMR ones aren't too shabby
olive pine
More budget but still good experiences are needed imo
Barrier to entry is still high
WMR costs more than the Rift in the UK
rich ember
nice
brave dragon
yea, but it's good that the oculus has become the cheapest one to get now
with the price drop, making it cheaper than WMR
slowly lowering the barrier of entry
ocean needle
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6796 users in VRChat currently
olive pine
Yeah totally agree
ocean needle
thats a number i havent seen in a long time
olive pine
I think once we get about £200 for quality VR then it'll explode but for now it's like dedicated nerds and eCafes
brave dragon
yep
imo, the best entry-level (yet still expeive) headset is the WMR series, since it's just literally plug-and-play
dim ore
But now, the question is what the others companys will do about the vive pro.
cobalt tusk
i was playing vrchat yesterday with my htc vive and my sensors are on mid level height and not screwed in the walls because of no place to put them. so when i play it lags alot sometimes and hurts my eyes and then the screen in the vr headset gets all fked up and is crooked ingame so i stopped playing and now my left eye hurts and it's hard for me now to focus on this and when i look at the monitor i get illusions that it's turning. lol
very bad experience for me
olive pine
The Vive pro is just a higher resolution Vive though isn't it?
I don't think others will do much about it at all. Resolution increase was inevitable
brave dragon
Yea, but it's more ergonomic and lighter
atm, the rift is the lightest, based on my experience
olive pine
Yeah rift is super comfy imo
brave dragon
hopefully rift comes out with a wireless option like the Vive
these wires are tedious
indigo yacht
are servers still shit because can't even upload my avatars ?
tall monolith
but unfortunately, i cant install unity for some reason
indigo yacht
well i uploaded them but i don't see them in game
placid umbra
If you can't upload avatars, make sure you're using the most recent SDK
indigo yacht
@placid umbra where i can see that ?
rich ember
@brave dragon depending on what you're willing to do you could get some extention cables and ceiling mount your cables, I use retractible keychains so the cable is never in the way, I'm sure you can find some examples on youtube
indigo yacht
oh nice can't post picture of error here either
rich ember
anyway, I'm going now, have fun
placid umbra
whole lodge
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6620 users in VRChat currently
whole lodge
Jesus
vocal shard
for objects like tanks and odd shapes things where do i put the avatar descriptor? so that im not seeing pieces of the object blocking parts of my view?
placid umbra
That'll download the most recent
whole lodge
It's normally like 20k
indigo yacht
'' Request finished sccuesfully, but the server sent and error: status code 404-not found message: Avatar not found ''
whole lodge
Only 6k right now?
indigo yacht
it's been like 3 days almost i have not been able to upload new avatars so is this gonna be fixed i just checked i have latest sdk already
timid nimbus
you just try again, ive uploaded 12 avatars today, and a new version of my world
olive pine
#avatars-2-general @vocal shard
sullen pumice
there is a small hacker problem atm
timid nimbus
the majority wont run into them, they mainly seek attention from streamers.
i saw one this morning on a stream, but since the newest update i havent seen any
whole lodge
Loss of 9 k players. Normally sits around 14 - 15k
indigo yacht
i won't mind of 9k loss of players if that means servers can handle current capacity
safe yacht
Population jumps up on weekends
timid nimbus
and at prime time each day, which is why i dont expect to upload stuff between 3pm and 10pm my time
olive pine
Yeah USA is alseep lol
whole lodge
With it being like 6 AM EST it sits around 13 - 15k
safe yacht
I've met lots of great Australians this morning :p
timid nimbus
its 4:30am right now for me, i just stay up all night making avatars because i really enjoy it for some reason.
olive pine
Maybe the knuckles got bored and left
safe yacht
Hopefully.
indigo yacht
finland here and i have been patiently waiting for servers to be fixed and i have been awake even day or 2 and waitting for moment to get avatars into game
olive pine
Perhaps they found the way
safe yacht
Let's hope they disappear forever.
timid nimbus
or they just hang in uganda
elfin forge
indigo yacht
next thing devs could do is set limit in animations face animations are fine but when big ass nuclear mushroom comes in any room and im in vr my eyes are blinded
timid nimbus
i guess it dpeends on where you are
safe yacht
Lots of things need doing. Thouh I feel security should be the top concern.
timid nimbus
ive been uploading all night with no issue.
paper cloak
I went to bed 2 hours ago and wasn't able to upload at all
safe yacht
I can't imagine how much the team has had to work overtime.
indigo yacht
atleast they get paid for workign and not sitting around
umbral mist
poor dudes
vocal shard
Hey guys. Any of you having issues uploading anything to VR Chat?
lunar garden
Yes
safe yacht
I dont think they planned for this much attention.
timid nimbus
well its a free game, so they arent getting income from us
some people are having issues uploading, some like myself arent having any issues
vocal shard
@lunar garden What error or notice are you precisely running into?
safe yacht
They could be working on the back-end in regards to the uploading in some fashion. It's Early Access and all.
timid nimbus
this game went from 100ish players to 20k players in the span of 3 months or so
indigo yacht
@vocal shard yes for some reason servers reply for my unity slowly and vr chat won't even display my avatars been trying to get them uploaded for 3 days
lunar garden
You know they should have it where depending how much money you donated to VR Chad you can actually change the look of your name plate and that's how he would know you're a donator to VR chat I think that'd be pretty cool
vocal shard
I've been able to upload fine but I have a bad feeling my avatars are stuck in queue, and I also get the red man bug
safe yacht
It'll happen. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
indigo yacht
red man bug bothers me also
timid nimbus
i just reupload if i get redman n they fix themselves
vocal shard
I just want to finish a majority of my avatars to put on pedestals :x
Yeah same but sometimes it takes like 5 tries
indigo yacht
@timid nimbus been doing same for 3 days already
vocal shard
Im running into this in particular https://puu.sh/z2JCn/175d412244.png
Hey @vocal shard you should probably post that in #user-support-old so the devs can see it
I'm sure they look at this chat too but it's not bug related
timid nimbus
i had to reupload all 10 of my previous avatars once i realized how big of a deal shaders did to them, they look SO much better.
uploaded them all over the last few hours with little issue with 1 of them having to be re-uploaded 4 times.
vocal shard
I have a model that took at least 20 tries to get working a week ago. All I wanted was hair movement.
Sometimes they just break anyway
Mine just worked straight away
safe yacht
I just want to get an Oculus so I can start touching anime boobies already.
timid nimbus
my VR set gets to me today via amazon prime, ima go dancin.
indigo yacht
@safe yacht got my last wensday it's like whole new world
vocal shard
Lmao I've seen people fondle themselves
safe yacht
ONly got colission with your own hands!
icy pasture
@safe yacht That's exactly me
timid nimbus
i also need to update my computer to windows 10 to use vr... so that will be a interesting journey in itself.
ive had windows 7 for so many years.
safe yacht
I have an avatar of Chii from Chobits and she gets all the attention and pettings!
indigo yacht
@timid nimbus do it win 10 is good
lyric nebula
you know you can just touch your own boobs tho right
timid nimbus
oh i know its good now, i just dont know what it will effect
vocal shard
Aw, Chii is cute
whole lodge
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat
safe yacht
I even made a soundboard for Chii.
timid nimbus
im just hoping it doesnt kill my ark modding tools, those took forever to make
whole lodge
A little sad we aren't even in the 10k and servers still having issues 😦
north axle
Do you guys know any stories for me to write about?
indigo yacht
did you guys get small update today or like 2hr ago ?
whole lodge
Local Knuckles finds their queen
safe yacht
No idea about any updates.
whole lodge
Local single Queens in your area.
icy pasture
Oh i know, how about "absolutely nothing happens, the fucking end"
lyric nebula
what kind of stories
indigo yacht
lucky i screenshoted update as it got downloaded pathetic 7.5mb
north axle
I think the admins would rather go with "Everything's Fine" instead of what I wanted to share, although nothing too bad is going on really.
indigo yacht
royal palm
vocal shard
Probably a tiny patch or a file that failed to validate
north axle
Might be.
vocal shard
Most likely
indigo yacht
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/319548008553381889/402777018065879040/unknown.png didn't get anythign new tho afret this
vocal shard
Yeah cause nothing failed to validate
safe yacht
speaking of VR, Subnautica is getting full launch on the 23rd
indigo yacht
welp time to try and see if vrchat got my 2 new avatars i uploaded
vocal shard
I hope so. I have to test some too
safe yacht
Why not take a break? :p
vocal shard
I just woke up so I've had my break lololol
indigo yacht
@safe yacht no offence but when you invest 450 euro / dollar into oculus and someone tells you why not take break it really pisses me off
vocal shard
I have like 10 more conversions to do, why did I think an avi room was a good idea
safe yacht
You sound exactly like you need to take a break when that's how you react about it.
vocal shard
oh right it's so people could actually get my mmd models properly without them looking wonky
Vrchat will always be here so I would chill out
indigo yacht
@safe yacht how about you take break form parenting us ?
safe yacht
You're under no obligation to listen to me...
eager kernel
Calm down
safe yacht
Yeah, fucking hell. Talk about overreacting.
indigo yacht
@eager kernel i would pay even 20 euro per every month if that would be option
vocal shard
Dream was just making a suggestion
umbral mist
damn its getting hot in here
vocal shard
I'd pay a couple bucks on patreon or something if it meant we come closer to fixing performance and severs
safe yacht
I'm quite sure the money from HTC will keep them running.
vocal shard
Probably
eager kernel
4 million won't last forever
indigo yacht
i think if activision blizz would buy this corp this would have better chances
timid light
Yo all
eager kernel
Not with their growth they are experiencing
vocal shard
I don't disagree with a potential paywall or donation option
safe yacht
Hahaha
north axle
I know some people don't want to talk about it, but the best you could do right now is share your logs with us after finding hackers.
eager kernel
Servers are expensive
indigo yacht
atlest blizz knows how to manage servers like how they deal with wow
umbral mist
~loot crates~
safe yacht
Activision better not bloody touch this game.
timid light
Just asking dose any one know a website for models not mmd
indigo yacht
@safe yacht would you like EA then buying this ?
vocal shard
Model resources
safe yacht
Because Blizz are a multi-billion dollar company with 15 years of experience and a team of 200 people.
vocal shard
models resource
timid light
Ok
eager kernel
They only have 200 ?
safe yacht
VRChat is what, 5 people?
eager kernel
Seems ultra low
safe yacht
The WoW team.
vocal shard
If vrchat gets too monetization happy or bought by a big company we'll lose a lot of freedom we have rn
indigo yacht
definetly bs vr chat can't be run by 5 people only
some indie would have 1 people but this ain't indie
timid light
Thx guys
fringe talon
vrchat wont become opensource
vocal shard
There's a lot of content from other games
And MMD models would probably not be allowed anymore because people are very anal about porting to monetized products
fringe talon
really?
no wonder why people can easly modify the client if they have the knowledge...
vocal shard
if VRchat is owned by.. say, blizzard, and is monetized, they will probably get a C&D from companies like Nintendo and Sega because their models are in the game
kindred rune
Gmod didn't
safe yacht
Lumi speaks the truth.
vocal shard
true but it's still possible
floral flaxBOT
There are 6738 users in VRChat currently
steady nymph
Ay
fringe talon
@kindred rune addons for gmod can actually be flagged for copyright
vocal shard
vrchat can probably try to declare fair use but unless it's privately owned like gmod it won't go well
fringe talon
but few cares but the addon creators itself
kindred rune
Haven't heard if that happening in ever
vocal shard
I don't think parody laws will protect it very much
Now if we were all chinese it wouldn't be a problem lol
safe yacht
Nintendo would be the only ones stingy enough to do it.
Others seem to realize that someting like this works as advertisement for their products, rather than any kind of theft.
vocal shard
SEGA might. They've shut down retro revivals that are monetized
safe yacht
Mind you, copyright is a different beast in Japan.
vocal shard
If it's monetized, vrchat will possibly get fricked
Nintendo might try even if it's free
vocal shard
Smaller companies are probably more spooked by fan content
Then there's Nintendo
Nintendo will try to take down or claim a video of you even breathe in Mario's direction
fringe talon
what annoys me more is dev studios that wait until the fan content is almost finished before giving a c&d notice to them
vocal shard
Usually a finished product is when the game becomes a big deal
Take Pokemon Uranium for example
safe yacht
Reminds me of Games Workshop.
fringe talon
didnt they continue tough?
safe yacht
They give their license to anyone now. And that's not gone too great.
vocal shard
I hadn't heard of it until it was released.
They provide updates but the game is no longer available.
fringe talon
ah
vocal shard
AM2R is a similar case
safe yacht
Copyright protection is a mess.
fringe talon
copyright and mostly trademarks has become a joke imo
safe yacht
often times I think companies prefer being aggressive about it, rather than passive, because the latter ends up being a worse choice for them. It's militaries between countries that keep posturing and showing their guns, to make sure nobody screws with them.
Thank China for that.
dense moat
Like the hyperdimensional avatar world someone made with an addidas Neptune avatar
Like copyright all over it
fringe talon
like bethesda filed a trademark against mojang with their scrolls game because they used scrolls wich was trademarked for the elder scrolls
dense moat
Both the MMD and WHY PUT IT IN THE GAME
Like
Some avatar creators
Just ask for trouble
vocal shard
traps
I want to see if a Cool Cat model for VRchat would piss Derek Savage off
nuff said
Also for the Nep model you can argye that it's a parody
*argue
dense moat
Ok so
safe yacht
I just want a VR set so I can play as Saitama and actually punch people.
dense moat
If someone takes a clothing
And adds addidas 6 times over it
It's a parody?
They don't care it's still copyright
safe yacht
It can be considered derivative and thus fair use. I think it depends .
vocal shard
A parody of the character and the brand. It's a loose argument but it can be used.
dense moat
It's unlawful use of a trademarked name and logo
fringe talon
^
safe yacht
That's why I also think companies prefer being aggressive about protecting their rights.
dense moat
No just cause it moves weird and has a mustache
Still unlawful use of trademark and logo
A parody would be making the name "abbibas" with a upside down logo
safe yacht
Derivative works are fair use.
dense moat
No
safe yacht
Parodies for example.
vocal shard
My sonic gijinkas can be considered a parody as well
Are the characters copyright? Yes. But they're modified to where they're different enough from the source
dense moat
A parody is transformative material by nature which the content that is in question can't be argued to not be a parody
Transformative
See the TRANSFORMATIVE
safe yacht
Or why youc an make a video about yourself talking about a different video.
safe yacht
And this, is why copyright is messy :p
vocal shard
Yup lol
vocal shard
The Cool Cat situation is a good example
dense moat
A parody would be "changing logo and name to abbibas and the logo to circles and not rectangles"
That's a parody
Transformative by nature
vocal shard
But there are infinite amounts of McDonald's parodies that retain the name and logo
safe yacht
Reminds me of all the Chinese knock-offs.
dense moat
Ever wonder why animators and anime' usually censor or change names of brands like "WacDonalds" or "Tendys"
safe yacht
Some of which, still get attacked for copyright infringement.
Thouh China of course doesn't give a fuck.
dense moat
yeah cause they are changed so it's lawful
vocal shard
I love bootlegs lmao
dense moat
The skin has an exact copy of the fucking logo
And name
So the creator of the MMD
Deserves a sue
vocal shard
MMD is free
vocal shard
It's not likely to happen
dense moat
That put in the addidas shit
vocal shard
Could it? Yes
safe yacht
Most of the time you will see that stuff is allowed by companies, because they see a greater benefit of their content getting spread. But if companies wanted to, like they can in Japan, they can block game play videos and so on based on copyright laws.
So you being able to stream games right now, is purely a generous act of the copyright holders.
vocal shard
A product not being monetized can also affect it
safe yacht
It's why you find that many Japanese games with cutscenes have the same cutscenes...well, cut out, if you try to stream them.
lofty quest
Peeps pay 10-200 $ to get a unique avatar 
dense moat
Would addidas love their logo on a anime chick with a twerking dance and a lap dance emote? And people walking around in it potentially being racist etc
Yes ofc they would see the benefit
No they wouldn't
At all
safe yacht
Probably not. But I dont see them caring about an insignificant thing like that either.
vocal shard
Nope
dense moat
They won't care about 1 or 2 people
But it's a public world
A popular world
More than 100 people use it daily
And it spreads
vocal shard
No one is stealing profit so I doubt they don't mind as much
safe yacht
It's more trouble than it's worth fighting over.
dense moat
People sue over dumber shit than this
vocal shard
Same goes to the modeler
dense moat
A man sued Red Bull for not gaining wings
So don't tell me it's "unlikely they will sue"
vocal shard
That's a different issue tho
safe yacht
You can't use outlying extremes as examples for normality.
dense moat
Corporation or not
indigo yacht
some american sued starbucks after drinking coffee but cup did not warn coffee was hot
vocal shard
False advertising and parody are different
safe yacht
Did the man win the lawsuit against Red Bull then?
safe yacht
For real?
vocal shard
Yeah I do remember that case
safe yacht
That's hillarious. Got a link?
safe yacht
Most of the time, these things dont happen though.
dense moat
In America u can sue anyone for anything
vocal shard
But I don't think it's comparable to this situation really
Might be better to ask someone who knows law better than a few vrchat players
dense moat
"He made me feel bad and due to that I got emotional distress"
U can sue for feeling bad
For feeling
Bad
safe yacht
There are a lot of patent and copyright trolls that will do things like this man did with Red Bull.
lofty quest
safe yacht
Frivilous lawsuits often get dismissed before getting into court. For being frivolous.
stone geode
@lofty quest 
vocal shard
wait is someone trying to sue for feelings?
safe yacht
I dont even know where we came from with this.
dense moat
If someone makes you becomes embarrassed in front of others
vocal shard
No, we're talking about model copyright and what could happen if VRchat gets bought by a big company like blizzard
safe yacht
Hah
dense moat
People do it daily
safe yacht
I was right
"The company said: “Red Bull settled the lawsuit to avoid the cost and distraction of litigation. "
indigo yacht
nice derailing about vrchat in general
vocal shard
The thing is you can sue someone because your feelings was hurt
safe yacht
It was cheaper for them to just pay the dude than pay for the entire court proceedings.
dense moat
That's America for you
lofty quest
Well, Valve and VRChat soontm
vocal shard
but you can if you tell them to stop and continue then that would be on grounds for harrassment case
Good lord lol this really went out of control
harrassment begins when they have requested the offended to stop but the offender continues
dense moat
If you are an adult in America and a co worker makes you embarrassed in front of others
Sue for emotional distress
lofty quest
🤔
vocal shard
is that really a thing...
vocal shard
emotional distress you cant sue for lol
indigo yacht
inb4 Shuvi get's banned from chat for de railing chat ;D
vocal shard
you can complain about it but you cant sue for it
vocal shard
they can try but most court caseis just throw it out
lofty quest
How to get ban in VRChat?
vocal shard
oh right the progressives....
icy pasture
vocal shard
with there safe spaces and trigger warnings
dense moat
"I couldn't go to work or look at my co workers cause of the embarrassment I felt, it plagued me for weeks and even months"
vocal shard
and feelings
safe yacht
Law can always be abused.
viscid juniper
The hackers are getting out of hand they get more features as to go on about
dense moat
and she sued her co worker
lofty quest
How to get ban > Use hack to steal avatar peeps * Insert evil laught *
dense moat
Cuz of a PRANK
vocal shard
i think in court if you are sueing for emotional feelings the judge should throw a block of clay at your head 😄
viscid juniper
I have been spying on them
vocal shard
I actually considered suing my high school for emotional distress because my disability made me a target of discrimination which contributed to my depression
But with all the cases like these it made me feel like it was pointless
dense moat
Then talk about what a judge would do
vocal shard
i did a bit in collage 😄
lofty quest
@viscid juniper Yeah u know , they already make some new stuffs
vocal shard
the court cases was intresting
vocal shard
but you got to remeber im from england
safe yacht
Just dont be a dick.
lofty quest
And right now the guys who make the hack is evolving into a super saiyan god where he got the dev menu to ban peeps
vocal shard
america is fucked legal wise 😄
dense moat
A woman sued her co worker cuz of a prank
vocal shard
what was the prank?
lofty quest
Peeps are still bypassing the ip ban
dense moat
He gave her a fake lottery ticket for 25 000$ and she said she felt bad afterwards so she sued him for 5K
lofty quest
Lol
dense moat
Lost cuz his motive wasn't harm it was for laughter
So he won
But damn it was close
If his motive was harm or mockery
She would've won
viscid juniper
Kinda of weird
vocal shard
ever heard the phase 2 wrongs dont make a right
viscid juniper
There is this mentality going on tho where the person who spreads it wich isn't the creator basically says. Don't be as dick while using this tool but if you use it too troll other trolls than I am fine with it
vocal shard
That's just asking for it
torn shoal
This is why we can't have nice things
vocal shard
its like sending ugandan knuckles to fight ugandan knuckles
do you know how that simply does not work?
also the ugandan knuckles are constructing a death star
from ugandan knuckles
THAT FIRES UGANDAN KNUCKLES !!!
its dubbed the ebola star 😄
vocal shard
please dont i was joking
carmine aurora
Hello! just want to ask where i'm suppose to type if i want to ask for advice about making my avatar? 
viscid juniper
Lol
carmine aurora
Thankyuu~ ❤
safe yacht
Ive seen lots of Kanna's around!
vocal shard
kanna is cute
traps
nuff said
Lol
Quin69 just got banned from VRChat haha
by a guy named "Lily"
why
No reason, think it was one of the hackers
limber basin
Cool story bro.
velvet quarry
Those "bans" are not really bans, should be able to get back in fine.
Do report any hacker names to moderation@vrchat.com , just make sure you're seeing the actual name of the hacker, which you can check by "interacting" with them and going into "Details", this should show their actual name.
torn shoal
This situation gets worse by the day
vocal shard
True, he could just join instantly but didn't have the time to click on details on that person. The hackers discord is named VRProject though
Apparently they gave him their discord link
torn shoal
I'm just not gonna play at all until this is done
vocal shard
me neither
marble lintel
there's still hackers around?
torn shoal
Yup
marble lintel
youch
vocal shard
Stay in private
mental verge
All go on strike and be nikei(blue defalt avatar)
just use the defalt avatar in public
forest mountain
was something changed recently with the animations or something? my avatar is walking weird and is far more flexible in the torso now
umbral reef
Like the hackers care about that @mental verge
mental verge
Nameplate is nothing without the avatars
velvet quarry
Moderators don't act on names alone.
mental verge
^
velvet quarry
Someone impersonating you wont result in a ban.
worn slate
What are the basics they do act on?
torn shoal
Moderators also said they can't get into private lobbies
mental verge
The hacks that are out in public dont have the power to get into private lobbies only the really smart ones can do that
worn slate
Can you get a ban for going afk for a few minutes
vocal shard
no
worn slate
I was banned not long ago and i was just setting some thing up
vocal shard
Probably a "Ban" by a hacker. Which isn't actually a ban.
worn slate
But I says on the actual website
velvet quarry
If an actual moderator banned you, then I suspect there's another side of this story.
They don't ban lightly
vocal shard
Tfw its 5am and you still cant sleep
If you want to appeal, you can email moderation@vrchat.com
heyy is anyone else having problems with joining worlds? D;
vocal shard
So it seems all this hackign is getting worse by each day? When can we expect the fix for this :/
so what does hacking count as
just wondering
mental verge
Hacking is adding stuff to the cilent that isnt ment to be there
inner idol
And it's a violation of the TOS
vocal shard
whenever i try to join another world than the hub it just keeps loading 0-100 over and over again
inner idol
!users
mental verge
Try restarting the game
inner idol
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 7398 users in VRChat currently
inner idol
Not as high as earlier
floral flaxBOT
There are 7363 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
woah
tulip kernel
Will I be able to stream VRchat safetly tonight?
umbral reef
Can always just go to less popular ones
I playes yesterday for a long while and found no hacker (or any really bad trolls really)
So aslong as no one targets you or you dont go to really big rooms (and get unlucky) there is nothing to wory about
shy rain
Weird question, does vr chat know the height of a avatar, so if I was say 2 foot small, could I have a 3 foot door way and fit.
tulip kernel
I just wanted to know, seeing as the Devs haven't given us an update yet.
vocal shard
its dang r
umbral reef
Well the problem is still there and i would guess its staying here for a long time
torn shoal
I personally wouldn't risk it
vocal shard
ur aren’t safe loli
umbral reef
Just play a bit smart and report the peopel you can
Should not let your fun be ruined
shy rain
vr trapman, do I have you friended ingame, not sure if you are same person ingame?
sterile field
I thinks devs working hard to keep VRChat safe but its a small team and didnt exept the game will grow so faqt with stupid hack btw
umbral reef
Well the hacks are just people really understanding how unity works really 👀
Could have expected it to happen
And if they patch it will just take long enough for that someone finds another work around
just like it goes for any game
upper flicker
hackers are devs now 
meager sundial
How to know you are hacked?
umbral reef
@meager sundial Not because they dont get your account
they can just fake your account name and take your avatar
shy rain
Its not so much a hack on you as a hack on what you wear.
umbral reef
Also some have the option to teleport or stuff
umbral reef
You should always be able to use your own avatars and they can only get an avatar if your wearing it while in the room with them
narrow lodge
That's why one solution was the community to get together and embrace the meme most hate the most
meager sundial
I used Kira yoshikage avatar and Boom! All my avatars are gone (except dio) and my model got replaced by tuuhuu model
torpid herald
za warudo
umbral reef
That should not be a thing at all because avatars get stored server side and the hackers are only client side taking them
So might want to contact support for that
carmine stream
Yeah
umbral reef
Or wait, you uploaded them yourself?
light ivy
Za warudo tokyo parade!
upper flicker
does anyone know if the friend system will work again soon? I met a lot of cool people yesterday and no invite worked
umbral reef
@meager sundial Maybe @rough pulsar can support you more because he knows something (or knows someone who had it before) and else #vrchat-support
meager sundial
They appeared after 3 minutes
upper flicker
i met a streamer or youtuber yesterday who had a modified Nep avatar and was talking in like a high pitched "Tara Strong does Harley Quinn" voice. Does anyone know who that could have been?
viscid juniper
Is there currently no protection at all on VRchat against hackers that can detect them?
Can't VRchat get like this steam protecting thingy
umbral reef
They use unity
Thats kinda the problem
meager sundial
Vac? Why?
viscid juniper
Too ban hackers
meager sundial
Its succ kuk
upper flicker
i mean, can you really call them "hackers" at this point?
umbral reef
Pretty much yea
kindred rune
script kiddies
torn shoal
I call them
viscid juniper
I wanna sweep them all
torn shoal
"The reason why I won't go on VR Chat at thr moment"
meager sundial
Its hackers now
viscid juniper
It's 1 person making the hacks and other people installing it
meager sundial
To know how to fuck people shit you need to do something
upper flicker
people legit aren't playing the game because of some hackers?
torn shoal
Yes
upper flicker
there's like 20k people playing, how many of those are supposed to be hackers? 100?
umbral reef
no numbers at all
torn shoal
Nobody knows how many there are
umbral reef
its prob like 5 at max or some shit
torn shoal
And it appears to be getting worse
umbral reef
its just they do things in big rooms for attention
and i still have not seen one so
only peeps that are not online complaining 🤷
viscid juniper
About 100 would be correct estimation
upper flicker
i've played every day in the Pug for the last two weeks and never saw anything bad. guess i am lucky
meager sundial
And no shit in gugle about hacks
kindred rune
really, plenty on youtube
meager sundial
Maybe some piece of shit man who using DeepWeb
brave dragon
Saw one just recently, he can change his name anytime
upper flicker
so what do the hackers do?
fair magnet
seen a hacker yesterday
umbral reef
why the fuck would they do complicated stuff
fair magnet
crashed the game by teleporting everyone to a single chair
viscid juniper
Deep web isn't really a bad place neccesarly
umbral reef
Or at max something like teamspeak
viscid juniper
There is a function in the hack where they can select a person press a certain key make them lagg really bad until they crash and also the same thing but for intire server
umbral reef
@meager sundial Report it in #moderation-reports
meager sundial
And he joking about de wey. Autist
umbral reef
I only read the title 🤷
im in class
cant be assed watching yt videos
just reddit, imgur, discord and spotify
vocal shard
You should probably delete that link just in case.
meager sundial
I think devs know about it
languid flicker
club penguin hax!! 2007 (working!!)
viscid juniper
Would it be bad to fight hackers with there own hacks?
meager sundial
And i dont want to test if its working
kindred rune
still get you banned
meager sundial
And you will get banned
viscid juniper
I AM BATMAN
umbral mist
Are you the hero VRChat needs? or the hero it deserves???
torn shoal
I just hope this situation gets fixed soon because I want to go on but I don't want to deal with this BS
upper flicker
you're stopping yourself from having fun for the fear of the off chance of meeting a hacker. you're kinda letting them win, lol
torn shoal
Well, the fun stops when being banned for nothing becomes a risk
umbral reef
Well then its good the staff aint retarded and check thigs before they ban
Ask any of them and they will tell it also
torn shoal
I've been told by a few mods that it's supposedly not gonna happen, but I'm not sure how much I trust that since some things they said were proven wrong
Like private instances being safe and whatnot
meager sundial
Ah and i saw bug in LeBlank
umbral reef
@torn shoal Thats is a big
Not a thing they can check
upper flicker
i couldn't imagine being so afraid that i'd let other people ruin my fun. but hey, do what makes you happy
meager sundial
My camera spawned in table
umbral reef
Bugs, moderating and ect are not the same
meager sundial
After i joined
umbral reef
They d moderating, not programing or backend or anything like that
Big odds none of them can even touch or see that stuff
And only have the tools needed to just there job and be sure about information
meager sundial
But i think i need to say this to Bladewild
viscid juniper
I kinda have this mentality where if you wanna use mods sure go ahead it's on your own risk but I also have a policy wich is not too ruin other people's fun but then you have. Dumb people that think it's cool too show power and disrupt gameplay
timid light
Im board
lilac swan
@meager sundial I had to remove your link to the VRchat hacking video, since it had download links in the description. I totally understand you had no malicious intent when you shared the link, so I'll just give you a formal warning this time to not link that video again or anything that has a download link to the hack.
vocal shard
is uploading up yet
umbral reef
Again
Plenty of peeps have not seen one so far 🤷
Else just join smaller rooms that are not full
timid light
Ok
kindred rune
and plenty have
lofty quest
@upper flicker You can estimate 1’000 Hackers 🤔
umbral reef
I have not seen a toxic knuckle or troll in 3 days by now
Its legit all about what rooms i am in
thats one thing i learned
upper flicker
every 20th person is a hacker? really? i don't see it