#vrchat-general-2
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I have
there was a "shameless self-promotion" channel, but it seems they deleted it
Thnks. I thougth that wouldn't be allow because of the rules. But I wasn't sure if things 100% related to VR would also not be allowed. I sold a avi as a commission a while back for $324 and the customer said that my offer was the cheapest, so I wanted to check if was charging to little for my work or not.
I was only asking abt it bc its avi showcase so i was hoping theyd let you get away with it there lol
best bet is ask a mod but there's a discord specifically for that
Ik i was just waiting to see one tbh i dont wanna ping them
But are you alwed to even say the discord name or is that also advertising š¤£
Lel ye
Oh wait i didnt get you was saying theres a whole different discord
Brb ig lmao
Um how far up
vrctraders
Okay thank you
thanks, I did not know about this
Yo who here knows how to make an avatar? If so can you teach me?
Canāt you just tell me what to do?

Iām assuming thatās a no, can you just⦠give me links to the things that tell me how to do them?
Huh⦠my apologies for a lot of questions, but which server do I go in? Since there are a lot in there
Webcam tracking
Webcam tracking
force of habits
my suggestion: don't do webcam tracking
Does anyone know if the video players broke again? They seemed to work yesterday and now they donāt load anything??
Vrchat killed it lol
don't believe this guy he seems to have no idea
Hello
Does anyone wanna chill and play vr?
Why not?
it's not very good
and uses your cpu so if you have a shit computer it's gonna hurt your performance even more
whytf are you replying to a 4 year old comment
Dammit
I mean you're free to try it
I'm not your mom
but a kinect is probably better for tracking at that price point
lmao
How the freakness do u even friend pplš
Just keep swimming~āŖ
open the quick menu, select them with either shift or your opposite hand, and click "send friend request" on the page that pops up after you select them.
Thank u oml
Anyone wanna chill in vrc?
I am kinda new to VR Chat still learning, kinda lonely without knowing anyone. What are some good worlds to go to?
No Time To Talk, itās like speed friending
black cat is also a good one but i would try a world thats an activity world like prison escape or murder 4 as you can interact with people more
Two talk not to since the 2 minute timer
Very clever naming
I went once didn't like it
so ripping hey
I'm gay.

Ruby is fart
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Yes it does
ripping
@rocky night
And tearing
MF DOOM
Yeet Yeet
all caps wen u spell da mans name
I'm going to
How's yall day/night going?
the knowledge that general 2 even exists never gets exposed to the users brain until they have been in the server for at least a month
Hm
Hi, Spiro. Welcome to the bunker.
i just now realized you're not in the new server thats been up for eons
š¤®
I dunno man, I just live here.
there's a new one? Or the one that's pretty much dead nowadays?
yeah im talking about the server thats pretty dead nowadays
Sub Cloud Birb
Hi
hello!
Say, It's mainly the delivery I'm worried about. I'm used to buying games on steam, and that's gone fine, but how do you go about it with hardware?
First time as you can probably tell
Yo?
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Its basically the same as buying something from amazon.
Ok. So any other "online" experience basically
yes
You make sure you got your adress in order, and it's done
Delivered within a few days?
That's how ordering things online tends to work yeah
Steam support is pretty solid. Dw
Say, how about I add you as a friend so I could give you a update when I chose do something?
sure, I have no issue with that
Super
Request send
@sharp rose Looks like youāre having fun
Gonna be a fun next week or so of people popping in about all that. At this point Iād just put āripperā and ārippingā on a blacklist for a week lmao.
Eh, dealt with worse. People were a LOT meaner to me during EAC last year.
I feel that
And even that was mostly annoying, rather than harmful. :p
I remember how toxic everyone was being about it
Yea they were. But I get what they were upset about, justifiably so, even if the message itself was poorly designed.
I get that
Huh?
Apparently I said something that wasnāt allowed ._.
Gist of what I said was essentially there wasnāt a way to tell what mods were malicious and what ones werenāt, so a blanket removal was the best option, and some of the good mods have been added as part of VRC and stuff thatās being worked on.
But people couldnāt understand that
the main issue everyone had was that everything they used to make the game better was stripped away from them and replaced with "maybe it will get added later :D"
What hasnāt been added yet?
some of the good ones were added
however a lot of the anti crash either hasnt been added, or they just blanket it under "security fixes" as to not draw attention to it and so no one knows
I mean
Just use your safety settings wisely
Caps is right that we rarely detail specifics in security updates, since that's usually more useful as an advertisement to bad actors than it is to inform good ones 
Thatās 100% true
People were salty about EAC and now they're salty about EAC not stopping the rippers..
VR Chat avatars are so personal though. I can definitely see this growing into an even bigger swarm of angry bees.
eac was never meant to stop rippers
No, but that's the kind of security the average user cares about
Largely owing to EAC stopping a much larger and more pervasive problem, making ripping the new Big Issue. š
People being mad about it, makes sense. No one likes getting stolen from, especially so brazenly. We are too, frankly. But this kind of thing takes some finesse and time. 
People do not realize that ripping is an industry wide thing and not a āvrc only thingā
It's just much more obvious in a UGC-centric community, since that makes up the bulk of what people experience.
If a trillion dollar company canāt stop itā¦. Why do people think vrc can stop it
Also true Sach
Server encryption for one
That does not stop ripping
Yeah, but here the users are the ones getting stolen from, so naturally they can more easily relate and get upset about it..
Yet no one cares about the thousands of ripped worlds/avatars from other games that r on vrc
Just sayin
No, they don't, which is ironic
It's like a person getting mugged vs a bank getting robbed.
I guess i should be glad I donāt go into publics often
Publics r the best
They can be very hit or miss
Literally vrc would be boring without public instances
I would choose the worst public instance over a private instance
To me that is
The artist who made the assets for those large games have already been paid in advance, sure it's still ripping, but it's much different for people who are selling avatar assets
Iām telling you right now, 90% of the avatars that have been uploaded to RS is never used.
The people who actually use that site are more than likely looking for malicious avatars to reupload to their 30th ban-evading account than your random egirl/eboy/furry avatar.
Same concept then
The artist I bought the avatar from has been paid already⦠such a bad take
Weird copium
where are the crash logs located?
Logs are typically in forested areas as they're from trees and trees hang out in forested areas.
Coughs in any media based world

It's so amusing how worked up people get over it.
Like my avi so much? Oh ripped? Dang public now. Cause I can wear it more without issue.
I mean my main avatar has my username tattooed on the texture
Same
won't someone think of the Corporations!

Iāve been using the same base model since 2018. Could care less if itās ripped
Not me still getting in vr to have date night in a movie world OH WAIT? COPYRIGHTED MOVIES? GASP
It baffles me
You're not the one actually making the avatar assets though, I mean why pay $30 for an avatar someone spent a month making for people to buy when they could just steal it instead?
Hell, why would anyone bother making a living by creating game assets at all if they aren't going to make any money off it?
That's been such a long running thing cause so many people left their high paying jobs to do things such as that.
and 99% of the people who quit to become full time artists for ANY Platform complain a month later on homelessness, no food, no bill money, etc
When no one makes the cool avatars and assets, no one gets to use the cool avatars and assets
Oop I tried saying something deep about scripts-
But yea 95% of vrc worlds are embedded rip stuff. Music, movies, avi's etc
I think i'm just a bit stirred up about all this, there at least seems to be a large amount of people who do support avatar creators enough still pay for the assets they want.
Yea, the furry community is HUGE About that for Vr Chat we all support our creators big time
is this the channel for discussing the space
It's basically a less crowded version of general 1
More calm civil people speak here 
Also Slowmode too.
The same slowmode is in gen 1
I mean, the 5 sec slowmode is purely a spam bot measure
Or some really spammy people
Actually⦠could the Slowmode in general-2 here be double the amount set in general-1?
I feel like people just forget this is here
No 
People already barely use it 
It's more an overflow channel
if G1 is busy but people want to have another conversation
You got that right.
avatars are hard work and non avatar creators dont understand how much labor is put into it
i make sure i paid whomever i comissioned enough money, especially if they're in america and not outsourced to pakistan or whatever
I only use personal avatars now. It's a labor of love for me.
i haven't messed with vrc sdk since it upgraded to 3.0, never bothered to learn, too confusing/not for me
how so?
i had no background with Unity or Blender until i discovered VRChat
i'll have to revisit it another time, never really messed with VCC
what is keeping VRC from encrypting avatar IDs?
I'm less informed on how their system works but last I heard they didn't encrypt those or really anything related to avatars server side
'Cause, why?
a lot of the avatars that were just recently ripped from my friends and me were ripped without us even being online
at that point it has to be a server-side issue that could be fixed right?
Ya can't stop ripping.
you can make it harder, at least hard to the point where people are discouraged from running events around ripping avis
They can make it 10x harder but once it's cracked, it's pretty much useless.
it's still better in my opinion than laying down and taking it
If it's a 100% custom-made model that's been reuploaded, you can issue a DMCA against them to get it taken down. But that's the extent.
what's stopping VRchat anyways from at least adding server-side encryption? they definitely have the money, time, and resources now
Because it won't do a thing.
Not to mention they'll need to add a decrypter to actually see the avatar...
Pleeeeeease use the search function for every suggestion you're making and notice how many times it's been brought up.
idk im pretty annoyed/heated over this, sorry for my rambling.
That's understandable. But know this exact convo has been discussed to death already.
gaming.
Agreed.
https://vxtwitter.com/dtupper/status/1691942922013556773?s=20 Tupper posting his thoughts about this stuff
It's not useless, it will keep people from doing this on a larger scale..
They can rip avatars you're not currently even using, and that's because VRC somehow allows them to get your ID's for your avatars.
people can automate tooling to make that 10 times as harder method child's play and can't really stop anything as far as external file sharing as far as the Avatar bases themselves
I guess we'll just need multiple accounts to keep all our avatars from being ripped at once.
Lmao
not really how that works
they could definitely be doing a lot more, yes you cant stop ripping fully, but making it harder means less people have the patience to do it, Its less accesible
people who rip avatars are not the kind of people to put effort into doing something, so most of them will just give up.
Why is anyone debating over something I don't think anyone here is actually qualified on. It would be different if your proposed idea wasn't completely based around code, but like
Make a new idea. It's so boring to hear the same ones all the time
Just because a solution is boring doesnt mean its bad
there's no way for VR chat to tackle folks just pirating fbx files around @hollow sluice
A lot of these "boring" solutions are good, but not implemented yet
It's boring because people who argue what you argue have massive gaps in understanding of code
And that's not even to say code can't do it
I literally didnt even propose anything yet...
But you just propose that the people who code will arbitrarily somehow magically make the code
I am just saying they could be doing more than they already are
You don't have any real idea here.
like Studios with way more money and much more invasive DRM have not been able to prevent the issue
Apparently they are according to whatever recent announcement
they just can't tell us what they're doing about that because it would make it easier to break
I do have my own ideas. The question is if its financially viable for them to spend time developing these solutions instead of ignoring them
That I can not answer or debate obviously
I don't really know but they probably don't want to release information on something and set a high expectation for something specific just for it to not work as well
Its going to get bypassed, especially by big groups like these, but I think its worth doing at least something
Though I think most creators in VRC are way too overprotective of their models
like most of the avatars people upload to VR chat already exists as fbx files somewhere so even if we invented Magic no ripping DRM folks would just go trading around those Unity packages instead of the uploaded VR chat IDs
Yeah so I think they figured something out that is above that framework
I would imagine if they are now bothering to make any announcement
I'm not quite sure what the point to making a announcement in the announcement channel for we know this is bothering you all but we can't tell you anything about our Solutions
You look at a game like Second life, Theres people who rip in that game but the community is Tiny relative to their playerbase compared to VRC.
Everything in second life is proprietary so thats not exactly a feasable solution, but my point is that there can be a significant reduction of asset ripping done for vrc, its not magic code. Its real solutions.
second life has about the same concurrent user account numbers as vrchat
Yet the only practical way to rip things in that game is a client that is stupidly unstable, gets you banned if you rip rampantly and cant rip half the content in the game. And they have a total of 1 developer whos bothering to keep it somewhat functional lol
Linden Labs has more than one programmer
... not relevant?
where you get those numbers from?
Dont quote me on this but I think SL is stil la bit higher than VRC when it comes to playercount
on average yes
and in general the second life Client List how many people are currently online
does anyone have issues where vrchat will open and as soon as you load in it closes the application?
it wont let me login for some reason
what type of account do you have?
You can not login with steam or oculus on the website
ummm a steam account i believe
Yeah, that doesn#t work since it's just a guest type of account
Try holding the ESC key while loading into the world
until you spawned in with a error avatar
You also want to consider turning your account into a full VRChat account
ok i will but like not even a second in the world it crashes
how do i do that bc im on pc?
ok thank you fr
it wants me to do it in game which i cant do bc it crashes lol
Do the ESC thing
And that was removed because?
@smoky fog please don't fall victim to the marketing strategy.
ITSSSSSS FIXEEEDDDDD thank you so much ima go change my account just to be safe also can you post that to my post in the user support it'll help out others
-_- so in other words. Nothing. Great job....
You can give this a read if you want to
- We have implemented and continue to implement changes and improvements to make ripping harder and more painful for those who rip your content. It will never be 100% solved, but we can make it much more difficult.
It's an eternal cat and mouse game.
like no AAA game Studio even with their unlimited budget has made a rip proof game
Also where are all these people coming from today
Haven't seen people complain for months about it and now student suddenly heaps
and everybody spreading it on Twitter basically advertising it so potentially being counterproductive
That would explain it
Vrc needs to go after the site itself, and get it taken down... They have the legal authority to do so.... Why not do it
what's stopping them from just setting up another website after the first one gets shut down?
They don't
like all of the content uploaded the copyright would be owned by the individual Avatar makers not vrchat?
Vrc does not own the content that's uploaded on there platform
All they have rights to is storing and displaying it.
Any other side having the same content means nothing by law for vrc
Avatar makers can g after the website. But if they comply with a takedown notice, not much else you can do after that (without wasting a lot of money). And even beside that, setting up a new website and host isn't hard for them
Again, read that Twitter stuff if you really care about it.
ok so what is that about?
Yall mean the one that people keep posting about the preemium thing?
Mhm
So I don't understand, I need an understaning as to why this is bad
a Discord server was announced saying they were planning to steal avatars
I wonder if vrchat would have a legal case on a different basis, kinda like how other big companies have gone (and won) against sites selling mods
to other games
Does it work in the same way that you can do that with Roblox? I know they state that if you upload a game to Roblox, it's legally theres or something like that
vrchat does not own the copyright on any of the avatars uploaded
So then technically the only people who would be able to sue would be the people that own it.
correct, that's why I wonder if a different approach would work like the modders who have gotten sued by rockstar etc
I'm referring to the mods that allow you to cheat in fps games etc
Hacktools are very specific
the rs stuff seems to fall into the same category
You sell specific utilities that interact with and modify the code of the game and company
Which is stuff that directly concerns the company and their code.
That's mainly because they sell a hacking service and software with the main goal of tweaking something illegally.
These websites just sell copyrighted content, like moet of the internet
no they have several tools also
which is what I see as analogue to the cheats
Even then, sueing someone unknown in another country is stupidly expensive and often doesn't even work
anyone wanna watch a movie tonight?
Sorry, I'm busy watching a movie.
Iām busy watching a movie about Mercās movie
b...busting? 
bustin
Shhh Iām spelling weird today
What you watching?
John wick 3
Nice you mid movie rn!
gonna get a stroke from reading that
My bad ment to put a question mark. Are you guys in the middle of the movie?
nah I went to eat first
while I got a response
I'll probably just watch it another day tbh
K anyoke else playing vrchat rn? And wanna play?
Can a new account clone avatars? I'm trying to clone an avatar from my first account, I have the setting enabled to clone but for some reason the Clone Avatar option is disabled on my new account
Need a higher trust rank to clone nom avatar worlds avatars I think
Bruh then how come I was able to clone avatars when I started playing VRChat in general
Odds are those where avatars in public worlds
are you sure? I think cloning is possible always, but you might be trying to clone an avatar from someone that has cloning disabled
Gormundr?
I thought that guy was a racist neo nazi years ago, why is he in the community lol
why did you think that
source: trust me bro?
Thatās a bold thing to think about someone without any evidence.
https://streamable.com/bckuwg
@simple nimbus @open crescent
He was the ringleader of this back in 2018
That's him front and center
can i edit my group information (name, description, identifier), after the group was created ?
I kinda wish there was an option to change the loading screen back into the 2017 one I miss that loading screen sometimes
When you're loading into vrc or when you're loading into a world?
Either or I agree for nostalgic reasons
same
They're in among us
group public instance but group doesnt exist, how is that possible lol
First is API error message if you try to view instances, second ingame picture what happens if you try to view the group related to the group public instance
error message if you try to join instance ingame https://i.imgur.com/ifckrEI.png
someone broke groups
Oof
Groomer alert
How do you know they're a groomer?
Time to get the wood chipper out
What we looking at here
tizzy adventuring

tizzy where were u adventuring
that aint the face you made ._.
Looking at the skybox I was probably at the Trans Academy!
WTF VRChat Mobile.. "Sorry, the requested URL could not be found on this server." XD
Amazing their download link
what an interesting place to adventure around!
Play store is slow to update, turns out. hehe
no IOS?
i cant even log in, it keeps saying "invalid username/password" and i log in on a dayly on pc, so i know that's a lie xD
Android talk -> #android-discussion
Not compatible š
hey do you guys know of any worlds that might be cool for a new person on vrchat? a friend of mine wants to try vr but I am not really sure what new people like to do on vrchat since Its been like several years since I was new
Hangout worlds: Rainy Cliffside, Midnight Rooftop, Starry Nights, Acquarium Loft, Soft Sea of Stars
Gaming worlds: 'Among Us' Game, Murder 4, Prison Escape!, Blackout!,
the black cat is a very social world where your friend can meet tons of ppl
yea toxic people
And then get called a slur by a 12 year old
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ehh
she wants to do somethign where we dont have to talk with a million strangers or games that arent too confusing
We tried Murder and Prison Escape before but it wasnt fun for her
She also doesnt enjoy much just sitting around and looking at mirrors
I was maybe thinking more adventure type maps
:wonder: something where youd explore the ocean or something like that
For anyone worried about public worlds once mobile is released, helped me vote this up and get some attention.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/group-instance-minimum-trusted-rank
You do realise that this changes exactly nothing?
wait whats going on with public worlds?
So why are YouTube links not working anymore? I thought a recent update fixed them?
Ive been out of the loop
Android build of vrchat going live soon. Expect kids flooding the game like never before
oh Ill just block them
im used to blocking a million people on vrchat I am a woman on vrchat its crazy
not just kids but pervs too
it would be nice to have x rank required to see or enter other worlds but I also see the issue of people being so gatekept that no new players can meet new people
I mean if they don't implement this change I am just going to start banning Mobile users and Visitors on sight regardless from my publics š¤·āāļø I already moderate a public world and 99% of visitors are trolls and young children.
thank you for having a based opinion
Would anyone like to chat with me and be friends on vr
How old are you?
I'm 33
@slow halo in vc or dm
need help w something rq dm me, Iāll pay
I'd join you on vrchat but I've got a migraine that's been going for three goddamn days right now. Driving me crazy
I'm 32. If anyone other oldies wanna add me I am up for meeting some new people.
im only 21
I've been trying to chat with adults
im still baby
I'll hit you all up later for friend invites. When my eyes go back to normal and my head stops pounding
If anyone 18+ adult want to add me u can
I'm Llen Coram in vrc too
im stuck infinitely on the loading screen on vrc, i updated the game, validated my files, and even reinstalled vrc
is it the activity of all those people trying to rip avatars right now?
oh theres people ripping avatars right now?
There is always people ripping avatars. But I guess the popular ripping site is holding a give-a-way contest for who can rip the most. Doubt it'd affect servers though.
oh thats a bit worrisome
Usually all the avatars I use I either made them myself or I purchased them from a creator
If you go to public worlds or events they've probably already all been ripped
Nothing you can do about it really outside of not wearing your avatar
I usually wear public avatars when I go to public worlds
Ive been using this really cute public model with cat wiskers
I am not sure how avatar rippers work
so idk if I am at risk by just being in the world or not even if I am not using the model
My wife had all her models ripped. Even all her private models some of which she hasn't worn in years. So it doesn't really matter. Honestly you might not even need to be online for them to do it.
huh that sucks
I feel like the only way to make people stop ripping models is to straight up sue one of them into oblivion and make it an example
There would have to be a large number of them consistently getting sued. People like that always think they'll never get caught.
I asked in the vrctraders discord and they said they could only rip ones you're wearing, but I've also heard what you said might be true. I have no idea what's true now
im not worried the ones I purchased get ripped because theyre sold by the creator theyre not commissions
Like windowshopping deal
thats for them to be worried about and It is a problem
I am mostly worried about my models being ripped which goes the same for the creators I bought the models for
its not like theyre good or anything because I made those models while I was learning blender and unity as a hobby when I was a teenager
but they hold sentimental value idk
Yeah
sometimes I wonder what makes a person just ruin other peoples days
I believe they need the avatar ID to rip it. Which they can get by you wearing the avatar or if it's set to public.
ohhh okay
That's what I figured. I mean, they don't have magic or anything, right? Though honestly with the sheer amount of kids we're likely to get going forward, I'm unlikely to join any public worlds ever again
im really not a fan of kids
kids are frustrating and they tend to ruin all the fun with their way of having fun
Kids act the way they do because parents use Vrchat as a babysitter
Ive been saying this for a long time but I wish there was a Verification you could Purchase on VRChat to verify ur an adult and then it shows you worlds that only people who verified can see
I'd pay for that
me too
Tbh I wish Vrchat just auto showed ages.
I don't hate kids, I just don't want to waste my precious game time talking to people with whom I have nothing in common
kids are gonna be talking about fortnite or something and im gonna be like "erm"
Like you're having trouble in highschool? That sucks dude, I hope things get better. But I want to talk about my adult hobbies
Like how work sucked this week but the weekend is looking nice so my wife and I are going to spend the weekend on my boat, but also I have to deal with my in-laws. Or something like that
man the difference between 5-14-17-21-29-38 age is crazy
I wonder about maybe having some hidden interest tags you can set and when you join a world, it will try to put you in instances that have users with shared interest tags.
Sometimes I feel like I'm way too childish for my age, and I'm not that different from how I was in highschool, but then I interact with a 16 year old and yeah nope I'm ancient
That would be cool
That could also work as a sort of soft filter for age as well if you make one of the tags your age.
I just want a way to filter kids using a verification payment method
but honestly that wouldnt completely filter kids because parents would purchase that for their kids and verify for them
Yeah, a lot of parents these days are lazy and just don't want to be parents. They'll do a lot just to keep their kids off their backs.
Yeah. People been lying about their age online since the dawn of time the internet. I definitely used to
Same
then I hit 16 and I was like "!? this is the best age to be alive why lie"
Now scrolling to my actual year of birth takes just a little bit longer every year
I just have to scroll down to 2002
which in some apps actually takes some time
cuz the scroll is so heavy and short
Scroll past the 2010s. Then the 2000s. Then the 1990s. 1989 here we go!
I do like saying "I was born in the late 1900s" though. Good for a laugh
Lol
yeah I am 21 so im at the prime age I see things I love and im like omg I love them I wanna be like them
VTubers in this case
If you like the idea of user defined tags to determine which instance you load into, you can vote on the feature request I just wrote up. https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/soft-filter-for-interests-and-age
It makes me wonder what framework would be better for a user indexing through hundreds of thousands of worlds
Definitely not an easy task but logically something must be better
I think it's funny that I have VRChat installed on my PC but haven't actually really played the game yet.
Been slowly saving up on money so I can do stuff related to VRC though cause I do want to try it out.
...oops I thought it was the other channel
1st mistake
Thinking VRChat is a game
It's not. It's more like an oppressive social platform
Hm
Like, why did they remove quest audio? It had no performance impact
"Works on my system" is really not the way to go. 
You're lucky you didn't get banned then
Never said I was the one making it
I'm just saying, during the time of which we could, I had a lot of avatars that played songs I liked
You need to understand, it was and is forbidden because it does affect performance. And the quest is a piece of shit hardware -wise.
When a more powerful quest exists, it might be allowed
I don't see how audio affects performance? I assume it's the increased file size?
It's file size (so RAM, disk access) and processing power needed to process it
Which is kinda ironic that there are games on quest that are far larger and run many times better
I see this as an error on VRChats part
Then don't show them.
Seeing how many people are there
I mean, I thought that was obvious
Also
The threshold for Very Poor is stupid
Like, you have 1 particle system, and it's instantly ranked very poor
As long as the quest has shit hardware, it's probably for the best
Not user generated content
Not saying vrchat is perfect by any means, but when all the content is uploaded by the users, you run into performance problems very easily
And the quest already crashes constantly because of that
Anything else, like audio, just contributes to more crashes
does frame drops for like 20 seconds count then it says āno memory left so you went back to homeā count
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Blaming VRC for lagging avatars is like blaming car manufacturers when people drink and drive
blaming vrchat when my game lags when I have a good performance avatar in a good performance world with no one else in it
š
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Then your computer likely sucks, or maybe you don't know what assets makes a world perform well
Unity needs a minimum amount of resources to work, but it's not like VRC are allowed to modify Unity.
And even avatars rated "good" might be terrible, like if you have too many animation layers, heavy shaders, or if you do weird things with shapekeys
Yes
Is the VRCLens worth getting?
When a world u made gets a report, can I see what the report was for? I'd like to fix the issue
what's that? never heard of it
I think a lot of the stuff vrclens did is now included in the normal camera
yeah but whats vrclens
an add-on for the camera
I suggest you read it directly from it's store page
Imo vrclens still is useful. It offers a desktop mode camera that is a very nice way to do advanced photography in VRC
Also using the radial menu for specific things like focus and aperture is much easier than faffing about with the camera touchscreen
I can basically leave the camera in one hand, and have my radial menu open for focus in my other hand and lock the camera at 80mm or 110mm and lock the aperture at F1.2 then only adjust the focus with my other hand. Much quicker shooting
But for recording its not worth it?
seen a streamer using it
most people dont have the 3d modelling experience or knowledge to optimise avatars, and for a lot of people, optimising to good/excellent means sacrificing a lot about how they want to represent
VRC performs just fine with optimised worlds and avatars, its the fact that you can run into people with avatars with like 200,000 polygons
without the +
You can have your preference but people can also criticise it.
If you don't want that... don't say that.
Poor+ implies Poor, Medium, Good and Excellent
wouldnt that be -
Poor or Better is probably the clearer one.
Yeah
you go up from poor to excellent
Glyphid Oppressor! And what do we say to oppression, lads?
Well... depends on how you view it.
In the ranking excellent is the first, good the 2nd medium the 3rd, poor the 4th and very poor the 5th.
So + would imo be poor and very poor.
No
But i think the more ideal way is to just say Poor or better.
Cus that's not misunderstandable
honestly the best way is to have a proper avatar performance metric :)
vrc's one is... okay at best, out of touch with player expectations at worst
And be reviewed by humans, not a fucking algorithm
The best way is not to have 20 meshes all for individual toggles with indidivual materials and shenanigans 
well yeah, but the performance ranks are also like, pretty simple in how they catagorise performance
ideally performance should be like, a runtime thing thats calcualted by the client, unity definetely has ways to sandbox each player so you can see how much resources each person's taking
if some apparantly cant say a-hole is using up like 5ms of your render time, or 20% of your vram allocation then that's a lot more valuable than "very poor" which could literally be a 4000 polygon avatar with 20 physbones
or a 400,000 polygon avatar with 30 materials, 20 physbones and 300 animations
you can individually hide an avatar if it's fucking up your framerate
yeah, but without proper tools and feedback its hard to know if an avatar is
just get up close, look at them, look at your fps, and then look away and check your fps
thats not really how that works in unity
it is exactly how it works what'cha mean
especially not when you're trusting world authors to do proper culling
I'm talking about avatars not worlds
its besides the point anyway, its not about individiual avatars
its the whole ranking system that's broken
the fact that so many people in publci lobbies are very poor is a fault of the system
the game doesn't do a good enough job to maintain performance ranks and they're so arbitrary that there's no real incentive to do it
could be better, but being able to block avatars by particle numbers, physics bone numbers, and filesize etc, does help a lot
honestly, ive been wanting something like that
that's already a thing
let me set a texture limit or a polygon limit or a mesh limit
not automatically
So keep in once u start putting hard limits on stuff people will not be happy. Prime exampleā¦.. polygon limit use to be limited
im not complaining
Ay bro it's for the modders who fly outside the building yk
How are they going to see
But the system is fine and can be achieved however most of the community could care less of the performance of their model
I'd rather complain about unoriginal content
95% of vrc
That's actually sad idc if the perf was bad but the avatar was good
But it's just bad and bad yk
are you the name guesser?
I do many things
š® guess my name
No
fair
Spoingus
Actuallyā¦. Itās⦠SpongeBoingus MeowAll the 1stā¦
Tator tots
no thats wrong, and kinda offensive, if im a cat it doesnt mean i meow
Did you just say offensive
yes
Alright buddy I heard enough
iyonz
Thatās your last name smh
"Guess my name"
I guess
"That's offensive"
Bro what
well....its meowall the 2nd, the 1st was my grampa :>
This is why I bully people
based iyonz
anyone know where to find avatars with screenspace effects
what is ur vrc username
#bait
why
just curious
no
rude
ur rude
no i'm not
yes u r u tryna do sum to my account
why would you need my username
I mean what kind of screenspace stuff you want. You trying to be toxic? Ain't nobody gunna help with that. If ya want non toxic screenspace trippy stuff I have a few.
any type the edits or whatever i just wanna show it to my friends and i wanna see them myself, im not tryna be toxic
š¤
hello š
Love the pfp
I found a bunch of free screenspace effects on gumroad
Can you guys help me
I have an android tablet version 10 can I get vrchat or is that no possible??
where
hold on let me find their gumroad
does anyone know where thumbnail pictures get saved on the pc? which folder
go to the camera tab on the hand menu, then click open folder
Does anyone know how to get into quest only lobbys, I've been crashed by butthurt PC players probably 10-20 times this week alone
sounds about right
you're getting crashed by how underpowered the quest is lol
look for worlds that are only quest compatible
No, there are avatars that are specifically designed to crash it. It's not as underpowered as u think, people are just exploiting it
it definitely is as underpowered as I think
I'll grant you that there are malicious people that make avatars specifically to crash people, and they're garbage, but the quest 2 is hilariously underpowered
the entirety of VRC gets 4 gigs of RAM to run, which isn't a lot when you're trying to do what VRC does
like your average PC running VR chat has like four times that amount to work with
Not to mention the shit cpu
Hello
Hi
All I hear is bad but expensive and you want to make better even more money
Who cares of those PC players who discriminates Quest players for the platform they play on?
Those people really need a reality check, for heaven sake
fr

That's why I hate those peeps
Not everyone can "get a better PC" like what they think they can. Oh, you want people to have PCs? Donate then

in anything but games I guess, cause quest games look like shit most of the time
the game boy was a technological marvel in 1989, but by today's standards it's pretty weak
anyone has tips for what i should get to get started in pcvr?
im interested in getting a valve + fbt but idk what to buy
if money is no issue then sure
yeahh
i have a 10k budget from working
Sheesh
hard werk

alr writing that down
i think it makes the tracking easier since theres light or sum
That's kind of odd, because wouldn't that be what Quest 2 uses for tracking?
Lmao no.
yeah but it is more expensive cus it provides better tracking prob
Quest uses cameras on the headset for tracking.
Yes, a camera that tracks infrared lights
No.
toof blood 
I see
Quest can see IR since it's cameras don't have an IR filter like most cameras. But they don't use IR for tracking aside from position of the controllers which is why they don't have an IR filter. But headset position is not done using IR.
This does mean however you can play quest in the dark with an IR floodlight like you can get on Amazon for cheap.
Index can play in the dark regardless
can anyone helpme š
Those controllers do emit IR lights for Quest's cameras to track
That's what you meant
Mhm
you got like 50 answers wtf
I R Baboon.
I r Weasel
Yeah that's what I meant and that's what I said. Funny that.
Don't be boring then
Whomp whomp
skill issue
Who r u
š¦

Stop being therapist
Ill eat the floor again

Soo.... How does it make u feel to be a therapist
Shit
And why is that
People are shit
Have you tried making them better

Next time u meet a shirtless person I want you to try giving them a chance to better themselves and if they don't put a shirt on you have to cut them out of your circle sadly
grab the nipples and twist

Simply get better 
After you do that to someone go all GTA and say "Wasted"
Hola a todos, espero que estƩn bien.
il do anything for nitro
including buying it yourself?
bro
š£ļø
paypal me 30,000 USD and I'll gift you nitro
Yo I need support.
trusses are good for support
Does anyone want to be friends? I am really lonely and open to hanging out with anyone ngl. I went through a horrible break up and donāt have a lot of people to support me. So if your willing to be friends, dm me or not yk not forcing anything.
anyone else here experiencing a longer boot up for vrchat?
Meeee
Goooooood afternoon.

Just wondering what are good apps for 3D scanning ?
I tried Polycam but i can't upload anything to blender or unity if i don't choose the paid plan
I will check that one out thank you
Do y'all know any good vrchat pc only horror maps?
It seems most of the good ones got deleted
Besides the devouring that is
Yo, new Profile Picture for me!
Delicious
Anyone know why when I join this one specific world in VRC, it always says ā Cannot join instance ā although itās perfectly fine for desktop?
howdy
looking for new friends add me! my username is AnimeBacon69
Looking for People to play horror games with, add my user:TheFallenOrigins.
heya
odd timing i just so happened to look here
was just about to ask for somone to hang with n just chill
I want to play with somebody cuz Iām lonely
I wish I could play with you, but I'm going to sleep. What's the time for you? It's 11:21 pm here. If you want to play when I get home, I'd love to!! Dm me 
Hows it goin people
pretty much same here
Hi
with all due respect, I think you should talk to people who know this person instead of complete strangers on the internet.
(as you're more likely to get useful responses then)
Agreed
Can someone help me find someone that can make me a custom avatar
Just like add a onsie A tuxedo
VRC Traders, #community-servers-old
what to call my video where I show off this cool room in VRC? I dont often stuggle with this...
it is harder than i thought
[name of world] - Exploration.
no Im not exploring it
so hungry but wanna finish this... orz (too early to eat anyway)
need thumbnail too
Uh, without knowing the room and context kinda hard to pitch an idea
haha. I can tell u
(or I can link the video)
it's The Cave, and it has a bunch of stuff in a room that I like. it's quite a big coincidence I think. Im showing them off in the video. filming with the camera in my hand.
My twin built my ideal mancave in VR (real) (not bait)
haha
I want something more simple and sincere
maybe something like This room in VRChat blew my mind
Im sorry, the algorithm consumes all. You must conform.
Demonetized 
Close enough I'm tires
haha. Im not monetized yet T.T
Catboy... coincidence... cant think of anything better
and what to put in the thumbnail?
coincidence is such a good word for this but too long to fit vertically
so annoying how you cant change the text in PS without selecting it, cause then you wont see the result while you're selecting the font
hello
Hi
how are you
Iām chillin hbu
if anyone wants to just chill in afew im free just ask to add me
Would anybody be up for playing Cards against VRC?
Ah yes I love instantly bring crashed just because I use a quest, essentially hardware racism
RIP.
Oh and then before I quit the game someone says "pedophiles aren't that bad*
Sounds like you're in a shitty world.
Yea, EXEPT about every world I'm in has some loser with a crasher
What pisses me off is the devs are doing absolutely nothing to fix this
š What do you expect them to do?
I don't know start doing the least amount of effort to get rid of them?
Maybe put a bit more care into the game?
How do I report it when I can't do shit because the crasher is crashing me š
Get their name?
HOW
Bruh.
I'm being crashed
How the fuck do u expect me to get they're name when I literally just cant
Surely you can get the name before you crash.
No, you cant
Because I'm running at 1 frame per minute because of it
And guess what? I can't hide the avatar because if I do it still crashes
I literally can't do anything in this situation
You can: go to a different world.
I can't, BECAUSE I'm being crashed you imbecile
š Your avatar is crashing you?
meaning: I can't open menu, I can't see names, nothing
Don't be cringe insulting people won't help your situation
Sure but it's different when your talking to a brick wall
I'm just offering basic suggestions. Not my fault you can't stop yelling.
Not my fault you can't use your head
At this point your making me look like a Harvard teacher
No, you just really suck at explaining the issue without resorting to yelling.
I literally specified that other people are crashing me š
... Go to a different world.
The fact you call caps yelling is sad
It's literally not possible
I can't open a menu in that situation
Literally not possible
Restart the game and turn on safety settings. It's not hard
Ah yes because either I get crashed(not fun) or I get rid of the entire point of the game (not fun(
Do you not have a PC?
You wanna know a real fix? Fix the damn game
Why do you think people crash me š because I'm on quest
I'm starting to wonder if you're really getting crashed by someone or it's just the quest crashing because you enabled too much very poor avatars
do you have your safety settings turned to the max
and all avatars hidden
because try that and gradually show more people without starting to crash
At I heard someone in the lobby say "ugh they still havent crashed yet" -_-
Doesn't matter, they still crash hidden or not
There's your problem.
pretty fād up but its not like vrc can do much to fix that at this point, cant stop all the people using modded clients
they have EAC but for the people who get through that they rely on user reports
and i dont think EAC is even on quest
That's why I can't wait till someone makes a rip off that is somehow way better
well, theres always CVR
Maybe not go to Murder lobbies?
The hardest thing to get is the community. CVR has like 50 users (simultaneously)
I am, actually.
least that means less people who might crash you LOL
Weird that it's an insult. o_O
If you keep being cringe you're just gonna end up getting banned
Bruh.
Cool at this point I do not care
It's quite apparent you can't take basic critique.
Getting banned is a badge of honor considering every mod I've met in other servers abuses they're power
Lmao
Their*
Sup Ati.
Yo
Whatās happening?
Thankstiash
economic inflation
Gross.
Statement.
You in EU?
Idk
wait i just realized this is gen-2 tf
Iām in Canada
You don't know if you're in Europe???
Welcome to gen-2, bed. 
Idk wtf that means
this feels like the middle of the sahara desert
But are the servers also affected in Canada?
Look at the average vrchat community and ask yourself that question, you might just find the answer
Cell when you gonna absorb android 18 and 17
Who farted in your corn flakes this morning?
Don't know still on the calendar for that
I thought you got banned lmao
Ight
No they gave me a warning š
Na bro I just love dbz
For what
Trying to get me banned for that is just sad
I said some surprisingly light insults
Like
Slow, spectrum, brick wall, imbecile
Ok
Not as slow as atnt
Question for you cell
didnt even know atnt was still an internet provider
Sadly it is
I had AT&T before (via Cricket). It was... meh coverage.
What
Whatās your favourite anime
Miru the succubus
STFU
Hard choice between jojos, dragon ball super, and jujutsu kaisen

Average vrchat dweller
I second that
Mines one piece
my favorite anime is king of the hill
I miss Dale. :(

I sell vrchat and vrchat accesories
Only reason I don't watch one piece is because I AINT watching
ALLAT
SMASH
I would say touch grass but your pass that point
Seriously, dude. What is your malfunction?
I do touch grass tho
Sure.....
Everything
I go camping
I have a perfect video for the go touch grass thing but I canāt put it in
Wanna see a pic of my friend holding 5 goldfish he grabbed out of the lake
Quick notice Artemis I have you BLOCKED
Do it.
DO IT
š
okay one sec
Hello

Quick notice Artemis I have you BLOCKED (edited)
yeah
:)))
hehe
my god its my imperfect form
:0

Cool
Meruuu
<@&397642795457970181>
Not really "weird" just another edgy cringe kid
idk why it didnt delete their shit
i hope he didnt cut himself on that edge
We all gotta learn somehow
I actually went and asked them why are they mad at VR chat they said I am not mad It is just funny to troll
._.
Yes. It's a child.

They prob play VRChat a ton. Just haha funny edgy. Child behavior. Ain't hold it against em. Kid gunna kid. But yeah lol
The radiation causes damage to the oneās soul. So twisted. I wonder if they will be a boss in MWIII zombies :3
One can only hope
https://github.com/vrchat-community/creator-docs/ disappeared. is there any announcement about this?
suggest edit link in the page not working.
idk who to yell at about that one
which page
ok i see it
https://i.imgur.com/XBbKFdV.png this one right?




