vrchat-general-2

[idle wharf]

reminds me of one script kiddie who got mad at me for some stupid reason and tried to crash me, it didnt work, iirc they might've crashed themselves...was funny

[plain lion]

To a degree that’s why it’s Eac easy anti cheat something quick and temporary till they can implement other things to override it

[worthy helm]

Well if they do, they do, I never used a client and never really struggled that badly. If it keeps getting supported and updated with more security I'm sure everything will be Gucci 😎👍

[idle wharf]

idk, i see this attitude all the time...if it doesnt affect someone then they dont care, and anyone who says its bad is obv in the wrong...

"the lions never ate MY face so obviously you're just provoking them and those low fences are protection enough, stop complaining"

it's very arrogant sounding and ignorant of the reality of the situation

[lone tide]

why isnt my vrchat opening for steam vr

[vocal shard]

Because you have m**ods and the only way to open VRC now is uninstalling them

[worthy helm]

The reality of the situation is clients have always been against TOS and people are complaining now that they are removed. People are acting entitled and childish and the fact that they are using ableism to target vrchat and people who support this update is just downright deplorable.

[lone tide]

ive never had mods before, I have never installed any but for some reason it wont open

[plain lion]

Try to uninstall then reinstall it that might help

[vocal shard]

Everyone just crashes...

[lone tide]

ive tried like 3 times already

[vocal shard]

Same but it just crashes, it's VRChat's freaking fault they made stupid anti-cheats that crash everything

[plain lion]

Hmm that’s odd I’m not to familiar with the issues that’s going on right now you may wanna talk to support or ask in #vrchat-support

[worthy helm]

That's awesome, I don't do anything NSFW so I honestly don't care too much.

@short egret im talking about the players complaining. The mod creators I can feel some sympathy for especially the ones for the supportive mods. However they were aware what they were getting themselves into

[lone tide]

where can i find the actual EAC launcher to uninstall and re-install

[vocal shard]

How do people not realize that it's VRChat's new Anti-Cheat update smh

[regal veldt]

yeah, the real problem is they just took a dump on the heart of the community which mmade VRC as popular as it is. it doesnt matter what mods are removed (good or bad) they took a dump on every content creator that either built mods or makes content on YT/Twitch. Without them this game would be nothing.

[runic iris]

I agree to an extent, there are/will be those toxic individuals that know how to bypass Epic Games' free anti-cheat, the more security measures they implement, the more those malicious people will try harder just for the fun of it (in theory). I would say auto-moderation codes aren't entirely the way to go. I'd add that there should be more moderators on the team covering different parts of the world and are on standby for reports in instances closer to the individual moderator. So far, I've never seen a report been fulfilled, and there lacks an option to report users clearly under 13. With the lack of moderators, I don't see this update working. Not a day goes by I don't get crashed in a public lobby, kudos to those who worked on and used defensive measures to fight the users their selves. If they enhance their reporting system and moderation team, we'd get somewhere and EAC would be okay for the least (after they figure out the accessibility and QoL stuff).

[worthy helm]

Trust me I like privacy as much as the next guy, but it's the 21st century, EAC is just another layer on the Spyware cake we have all been fed for years.

[ashen pier]

true

[mighty dew]

It's a bummer they blew the game up right before the debut of the HBO documentary that comes out tomorrow https://youtu.be/UMBxESl38o0

[runic iris]

also fancy seeing you here dapper lul :)

[regal veldt]

omg that could also be a big reason why. holy crap, they wanted the R18+ content gone and the trolls before a giant infux of people.

[vocal shard]

Are people being banned for having nfw avatars

[ashen pier]

Perhaps they did it because of the documentary

[plain lion]

Also a little thing to consider tho is the word game you’re using as most standards for online games there’s anti cheats usually in place to prevent unwanted actions to happen given that this isn’t the best case but because it’s classified as a multiplayer sorta game and not just a social networking platform it was only a matter of time before something like this happened

[vocal shard]

I honestly hate VRChat for making this anti-cheat a thing, it seems stupid and pointless VRChat was fine before this monstrosity happened

[mighty dew]

I didn't even think of that! I thought for sure it would bring a wider knowledge of how amazing the vrc community is, but now all the bad reviews will repel new players for sure

[worthy helm]

Yeah manual mods would have been the way to go but there's just too much, also nice seeing you!

@short egret i mean power to Linux users but regardless in this age privacy doesn't exist.

@swift forge bro if you have any smartphone you have all the Spyware you need

[regal veldt]

dude, its all coming together why

[lapis badger]

Admins: how do we fix the issues in vr chat…. Community: gives a bunch of feedback….. Admins: easy anti cheat > fixing the problems

[quaint wharf]

I don’t have a problem with the anti cheat but I never modded the game anyways so I don’t really have a say on it

[vocal shard]

facts bro anti-cheat ruins EVERYTHING

[idle wharf]

just because its a law doesnt make it right...the argument is they believe mods shouldnt be demonized, unless used for malicious purposes.

VRC devs havent added many of the features of the QoL mods and such out there, mods have done VRC devs' work for them...giving good IK, many requested QoL features that were never delivered on, and providing security against crashers and the like...

so you're telling me that since VRC decided its against TOS to use mods at all for ANY reason, everyone has to live with getting crashed, missing QoL features that devs either refuse to or cant develop...whether due to pressure from higher ups or what have you...modding community saved them by doing the work for them, now all gone.

also in regards to EAC and pictures of your screen and whatnot, even if you 'dont do anything NSFW' and dont care...what about other personal info? sure like you just said its just another spyware but like...its another reason not to like EAC on top of the rest, another reason people dont like it.

keep brushing it off if you want, but reality is still reality whether you agree with it or not, a HUGE part of the community was using wholesome mods, they all feel kicked to the curb, yeah sure its against TOS but should it have been? how many laws and rules have there been in history that were wrong but people said 'well it was a law you shouldn't have broken it' only for the law to be undone later and agreed that it was a bad law?

[lapis badger]

Frames went from capped to not even loading vr chat worlds

[vocal shard]

@lapis badger ikr I can't even load into my home

[idle wharf]

many people would disagree that vrc didnt need fixing in many areas...

a personal example: FBT doesnt work right for me in 2.0, head is too far forward and there's no real way to fix it, character always looks like he's leaning forward a bit, kinda like those pics of trump

[ashen pier]

Frames are probably capped because it's a boilerplate version of EAC that's designed for games with crappy framerate-bound physics 🤡

[lapis badger]

Time to move over to chilloutvr or neos

[vocal shard]

Yep, goodbye VRChat...

[idle wharf]

ill wait on moving to chillout, till my combine group decides to make the move over to it, ifthey do....i dont have much i like to do besides my RP, without combine avatars id be bored tbh

[vast reef]

Jesus everyone is overreacting.

[vocal shard]

L Game L AntiCheat L Social Group L Devs

[spring iron]

Bro I cant even log into vrc lol

[worthy helm]

In my opinion mods made the VRchat devs lazy, why develop the games if the players did for them. Well now they have officially turned all these down and forced themselves to add these features.

I would love these wholesome features being vanilla vrchat, but what I love more is VRchat just put themselves into boiling water and if they don't actually add these features they will fail hard :)

[lapis badger]

You ever use a qol mod or are you just a questie

[vocal shard]

W person

EARLY ACCESS REVIEW
Monkeys add anti cheat to Social Game (VRChat Devs) And Ruin their reputation and community as well as kill their game amazing choices

[tawdry folio]

Since the stupid update is out
I deleted all my amazing mods
It still wont open
What should I do :I

[idle wharf]

now THAT is a good point...

if the VRC devs and anyone above them were competant they'd get on adding these features asap...

if they were lvl 100 intelligence they'd have gotten them out by now and we wouldnt even be here wanting mods for features, but...

i hope you're right and they actually add things ppl have been asking for ages, 'better very late than never'

[regal veldt]

mods are usually a symptom of a greater problem. Slow development, unfulfilled promises, or ignoring community requests for basic features. This is a lazy dev problem but not the way you think.

[plain lion]

Honestly I like watching everyone in #vrchat-general-1 go off their nut

[vocal shard]

It's the stupid anti-cheat that makes it unplayable

[runic iris]

About the HBO thing, I believe it has been forgotten that was (at least used to be) the program for 18plus content on television, it shouldn't be a factor in removing non $FW from. I wouldn't understand why HBO is the reason for this. Only reason I can think of is corporate marketing and partnerships, some secret terms between HBO and VRC we don't know about, hence the rush.

[regal veldt]

We should all just #SecondLife and go back there. At least the community is used to being pooped on by Linden Labs. lol

[spring iron]

They should have made quality of life improvements that the mods do first instead of adding EAC and destroying half of the player base lmao.

[tawdry folio]

How tf do i reinstall the stupid EAC? Do i do it from a official website?

[lapis badger]

This game is heavily reliant on the community it’s like removing mods from Skyrim, there’s no advantage or progression to this game so why add an anti cheat L devs

[worthy helm]

I'm not trying to ride Vrcs dick, for all I care the platform could burn, however I'd love to see it flourish.

Does EAC suck, yeah, but it's a start.

They have clearly put themselves in the driver seat, they even stated they will try to get these features out asap. Now let's see if they pass the drivers test. 😎👍

[idle wharf]

completely agree, from my pov dapper here is thinking a bit backwards, but they have a right to their opinion same as me and you

[zenith sierra]

Is the hacking raid over thi

[plain lion]

I’ll agree with that give ‘em a chance to actually do what they say their gonna do heck they even added decent physics of avíes for quest so hopefully they can turn it around

[atomic tusk]

nicely done. Banning people who dont like the update, banning developer from other software who welcomes refugees from VRC 😉

[idle wharf]

to keep the drivers test analogy...

where i am you usually start at 16...

vrc is trying to learn to drive at 26...bit late but at least you're doing it...

i dont want the platform to burn, unless they're just gonna keep making it worse somehow, then yeah why bother

[lone tide]

how do i uninstall easyanticheat and re-install it can someone help

[spring iron]

You left this here 👑

[worthy helm]

Oh yeah they could've been doing it for years but it's clear to see there was a shift in the company a little over a year ago where they started to finally give a fuck.

Now they really have to start giving a fuck x2 lmao.

[idle wharf]

what if covr doesnt have the avatars i want 🥺

[vocal shard]

It's blowing up due to people massively getting in, I can't even log into the game

[lone tide]

does chilloutvr use full body?

[regal veldt]

yes

[vocal shard]

I'm sorry VRChat ... but this forced update was either so ignorant I worry about the mental capacity of the staff or downright malicious. The distress caused by this update to my friends with anxiety and depression issues has been atrocious.

[fickle wasp]

probably shifted priorities due to the $80 million funding round last year

[spring iron]

Steamcharts shows no change like at all

[vocal shard]

There are so many snowflakes here.., cant even make a joke

Hey, chill, I'm not trying to shit on the game
I'm literally trying to log into the game and I can't, and I really want to try it

[regal veldt]

I want to see content creators delete their worlds.

[worthy helm]

Ima keep it a buck, it's just worse vrchat

[frigid peak]

I bet you've got EAC on another game

[idle wharf]

till they blow up, if they do, VRC was trash long time ago, before it got alot better, then kinda started falling from grace a tad...

[delicate veldt]

No way he deleted it 💀

[unkempt fulcrum]

I'm literally crashing everywhere

[worthy helm]

It's been out for over a year, wanna talk about developers not delivering, they are another prime example, I initially supported the game even financially and the devs really fucked deadlines

[bold sable]

why are you guys panicking like vrc is your entire fucking life

[sonic prism]

💀

[spring iron]

Because sadly people think its irl lmao

[idle wharf]

how many devs do they have? over a year? vs vrcs....what 10 or smth?

[lone tide]

it wont let me uninstall easyanticheat and re-install it

[vocal shard]

yep

[worthy helm]

Iirc it's like two dudes because the main guy is hell bent on having all the control

[bold sable]

people refuse to actually go to nightclubs and go to vrc nightclubs instead

[zenith sierra]

Is eac for quest too?

[plain wind]

Most likely

[hearty inlet]

Why the hell is the recent models only 25 now, literally idiot I swear

[spring iron]

Ikr 💀

[idle wharf]

well that doesn't sound good...

and @bold sable tbh with the kinda shit that goes down in nightclubs i think i'd stick to VR ones...well not even that i dont care for bars or clubs in general, but if i had to choose...

[vocal shard]

And also if there's some creep you just can block them and that's all

[worthy helm]

As someone who actively attends both, they aren't even comparable experiences

[tribal sorrel]

I don't think so. I bought mine a few months after release and IMO it was and still is worth it

[lone tide]

im just trying to mess around with my full body tracking but It wont let me open vrchat

[fickle wasp]

idk if they will drop the price because it still occasionally goes out of stock on back orders

[frigid peak]

I don't think that Chillout Vr even has an sdk for developers to make in depth coded objects? and if they do, what's it coded in?

[native musk]

@sharp rose kinda killed vr chat i hope you know

[idle wharf]

i dont think they will, i'd say wait for closer to christmas, might be a sale or smth...black friday maybe...

[slim sphinx]

Can I be honest I just do vr to see friends and my loved on- so as long as I can do that I’m happy.

[quaint wharf]

I mean I only ever go on VRChat to yell at little kids in among us and in a courtroom

[fickle wasp]

I guess if another version of the headset comes out they will discount old ones but idk if there is any news

[spring iron]

True, but I feel like some people do it bc they can be a creep without irl repercussions lol

[vocal shard]

someone just dropped ips in general 1 💀

[bold sable]

bro your “loved on” lives in vrc wtf

[round igloo]

I think that the pandemic kind of played a role too tbh, VR became kind of a huge outlet for many people to interact with their families or friends. Like, I have elementary and middle school aged cousins who still haven't been able to go back to school yet, and the only way they get to hang out with their school friends is playing Gorilla Tag or w/e.

[slim sphinx]

-_- bro don’t even talk to me

[tribal sorrel]

Nope, sadly they are still behind on that part. If you think VRC is small and updates take forever than you will hate CVR 😅

[bold sable]

am i wrong

[idle wharf]

also look im hesitant to outright say the devs are wholly responsible for this, first of all it could be just misguided attempts to do something about the state of the game, but i think more likely is some outside meddling by the people with all the $$$$....they always ruin things...

also @bold sable that's rather shallow of you, im guessing he meant loved ones as in family and such, possibly long distance...i hope you dont have that pov due to poor relationship with your family, that would suck

[fickle wasp]

what, like closed captions for pirated movies?

[stable gull]

I want to cry like WTF VRC you attacked the community in a game where the community is most important if you think this will help it’s not going to like no one is going to pay you for a game that they don’t like if all you care about is the money all of the money you had is going to disappear

[plain lion]

I doubt it

[atomic tartan]

Probably not lol

[slim sphinx]

I don’t think I’ll develop a disability but okay-

[bold sable]

you can phone call your families lmao
stop getting upset because you cant have a virtual life anymore

[sage canopy]

Bro general 1 gone beserks threads had to be made lol

[plain lion]

Lmao doesn’t surprise me 🤣🤣🤣

[dark pulsar]

Someone sent fake ip 💀 poor random people's ip

[spring iron]

These chat mods are having the time of their life rn lol. Dudes prob working on no sleep rn.

[vocal ridge]

god gen 1 is so loud

[idle wharf]

VR allows a better semblance of being with those people...now it just sounds like you weren't hugged enough as a child and have grown super callous and 'hardened' but in reality have just been so starved of affection that you've grown numb to it and avoid it because it reminds you of what you rarely get...

i could be wrong, but if i am then that's even less excuse for you to be so shallow towards others about it

[round igloo]

This though omg.. No one plans on becoming disabled. I thought I was perfectly healthy and then got diagnosed with an autoimmune disease when I was only 20 that causes my immune system to slowly eat away at my joints.

[plain lion]

Lol too much going on in #vrchat-general-1

[stable gull]

Maybe

[regal furnace]

192.168.0.1 👀

[dark pulsar]

lol, are you tryna say that's my IP?

[spring iron]

Ima turn on my VPN after that IP drop I aint trust ppl anymore lol

[bold sable]

why are you getting upset and began to insult me out of nowhere
he would have explained if its his family then id stop talking lmao

[regal furnace]

thats a local ip adress, its mostly a joke

[slim sphinx]

Are soundboards still a thing?

[plain lion]

Lmao we aren’t as psycho

[open crescent]

Ye

[spring iron]

You cant use OVR or anything of the sort

[lone tide]

bro did I buy my full body tracking for nothing 💀

[vocal ridge]

love you guys. there is so much less spam here

[round igloo]

oh dang, ovr doesn't work now? :c
edit: o oki it still works? hurrah

[sage canopy]

General 2 is like neosvr, just chill compared to general 1 which is vrchat

[open crescent]

Ovr advanced settings and ovr space calibrator work fine. That's got nothing to do with a soundboard tho

@lone tide you can still play the game and use fbt you know

[slim sphinx]

So sound pad or will that not work?

[cloud hawk]

i was literally saving up for a valve index for full body for this ass game

[spring iron]

Really? The game kicked me out for turning on OVR.

[lone tide]

because it just wont let me open it

[open crescent]

Ovr what, space calibrator or advanced settings, both do not modify Vrchat in any way, they aren't mods

[idle wharf]

unless they didnt wanna deal with explaining it to you and whatever you were gonna throw back and act like they're in the wrong for liking to meet loved ones in VR, just cuz you dont care to.

im also not 'insulting you randomly'...im taking a guess as to why you'd act so shallow towards someone using VRchat to have a better long distance connection to loved ones, as if there's something wrong with doing that. and like ive said i could be wrong, but if those guesses are wrong then you're just acting that way to be mean, which is...well...mean and uncalled for

[slender parcel]

how about helios, based on ue4 and they about to switch to ue5

[spring iron]

Play space moving, stuff like that.

[slim sphinx]

W comment

[storm rune]

to be fair, this is an opportunity for EAC to get better anyways, it's like a kid - without experience, how's it gonna learn?

[idle wharf]

thanks, sometimes i can get my point across coherently and uh...succinctly?

[sharp robin]

Y’all still going on

[open crescent]

Still should be fine, people are still using it as far as I've read

[vocal shard]

ig so

[ashen pier]

yikes
"oh yeah, EAC is definitely not spyware..."

[austere burrow]

me still cheating in elden ring because EAC never gets "better"

[storm rune]

what's it gonna do, skim your credit card from your chrome tab titles?

[slim sphinx]

Yeah happy you were able to stand up I just couldn’t without losing it

[winged adder]

!online

[spring iron]

EAC for a social game, what am I going to do aimbot at a nightclub lol. Let the ppl do what they want without having EAC. Or even better put the modded clients in a diffrent instance than the vanilla clients.

[dark pulsar]

all they gonna find on my pc is 73 gbs of me epxosing racist nazi's 💀💀

[idle wharf]

yeah i get you, its infuriating how narrow minded and shallow people can be, how they only recognize things if it directly affects them, and at best dont care when it happens to others, or at worst blames the victims.

[storm rune]

yeah, that's kinda on the devs for not sharing data - you can thank their privacy policy for that

[sharp robin]

Finally I can flex my real skill on my main game Prison Break 😎 with my aimbot skills 😈😈 they won’t stand a chance 💀 but all jokes aside give it time

[bold sable]

you can take a guess in a nice way and not insult me lmao
theres literally countless alternatives to meeting your loved ones, ever heard of facetime
"better long distance connection" how the fuck are u gonna have a connection if you cant even see their face

[idle wharf]

i will say i dont like anyone being directly mean to hte devs and @ ing them and whatnot, like ive mentioned i dont think they're 100% at fault, we dont know who might be pulling strings

[spring iron]

Agreed

[ashen pier]

You say that sarcastically...
Technically something like EAC could see everything the OS sees. It could be benign, or it could be logging absolutely everything and shipping it off to the Truth Ministry. Problem is, there's no way of verifying it without breaking the law

[topaz turtle]

Guys can someone tell me what’s going on

[round igloo]

also just a little personal anecdote, but I met my current long-distance boyfriend not on VRC, but over discord through a mutual, and we used VRC to hang out and stuff until we finally got the chance to meet in person in March for two and a half weeks, and it was awesome

ofc we didn't use VRC exclusively, but it was nice to kind of show physical affection and stuff, even if logically we knew it wasn't real

[bold sable]

also long distance and edate are different stories kekw
if youre getting so heavily impacted when a game gets a change then you really should get a fucking life

[slim sphinx]

I do call them and have seen their face but vrc is a way I can cuddle and hang with them stop being hella stupid and shut up

[robust forge]

VRC pushed an update that kills their game for people like me... I can't load publics anymore because the game is a bit unstable now with Easy anti cheat.

[storm rune]

I mean, true... it wouldn't be hard to find out though. technically we could do it legally too, just gotta use Linux and Proton Experimental.

[idle wharf]

if i was insulting you it would be more like "wow, you shallow F*** guess your mommy Fkin hated your guts and beat you as a kid so now you take your family issues out on others, like the pathetic PoS you are"

that was an example and not actually meant

[sharp robin]

What’s y’all’s go to world on vrchat

[vocal shard]

the dev are dipshits

[cunning lily]

Meh, maybe it can force them to make theie "long distance relationship" an actual relationship😂

[fickle wasp]

#announcements message

[reef beacon]

1 9 8 five

[bold sable]

insulting people is subjective

[lyric eagle]

I mean my 0% CPU, 0% GPU, 0% RAM, and 0% disk usage from EAC during play sounds like it's doing jack shit to me LOL

[robust forge]

Use to be murder 4, but now I can't even load it without being kicked back to my home instance... : (

[idle wharf]

this is true, and my intentions werent to insult as ive said...

i know my intentions, and any subjective views on your part dont change my intentions, so i didnt insult you, but you were insulted, sorry i guess?

[vocal shard]

1st they start banning content creators for doing lewd and posting it to twitter now this the devs are a fucking joke

[bold sable]

your opinions doesnt matter if im the one being commented
i say its insulting then its insulting lmao

[ashen pier]

Sure, that would work
Though the perfect solution would be seeing the codebase in plain language, which ain't gonna happen because the DMCA exists

[sage canopy]

Bro i don’t know what’s more pathetic, pinging mods to ban a guy for supporting the mod change because of a hard truth that is a fact because of the predators in this game or what’s worse than that

[lyric eagle]

It's essentially only in place to block unknown dlls from being validated and launched

[round igloo]

omg murder is so fun with friends LMAO, good choice
I hope you're able to load it again soon aaa

[fickle wasp]

this is concerning out of context lol

[sage canopy]

Has anyone played the arcade games in vr? It’s astonishing and I seriously wonder how did they manage to code all that into vrchat

[slim sphinx]

Dunno how you were insulted but alright—- don’t come for being them and keep your opinions about peoples life on vrc okay

[vocal shard]

im getting on vrchat. wish me luck everyone

[brisk ocean]

super interesting idea to solve this problem for everyone. No idea why nobody is talking about it

why not create a beta channel that has an open API for improving the game, then users can submit plugins for approval (similar to worlds and avatars)
that way open source community development is encouraged, and real dev time can focus on the big features. This could all happen with EAC, just needs to have a beta channel that lets developers build and submit them

[cunning lily]

I mean theyre literally saying they weren't cared for or received attention
Just bc there isnt swearing doesnt mean its not an insult🙃

[robust forge]

Most likely not as the things I used to keep the game stable and actually able to load stuff correctly are now destroyed.

[bold sable]

insulting is subjective did you listen
dont come out of nowhere and try to be a smartass
simply dont play the efucking game if u cant even reach min specs

[keen belfry]

this is actuallly a good idea

[vocal shard]

LOL thanks. if i get doxxed because of the new update i’ll let u guys know 🗿

[sharp saddle]

Can you please stop posting that damn Change petition?

[ashen pier]

Hmm. Could be why it has a reputation for being easily bypassed, if that's the only real activity it's doing; honestly just checking file execution is pretty benign as a standalone action for a so-called anticheat

[sage canopy]

I sense a type of racism or discrimination rather than an insult tbh. plus imagine being sensitive

[round igloo]

oh god you're right PFFF

and aa fricc Techno ;; I'm sorry how the update has impacted you, I really hope this comes to some kind of resolution soon

[plain lion]

Honestly not sure how some people have issues with vrchat not working my friend is sitting in a world with fbt watching the server messages with no problems idk guess it effects people differently?

[idle wharf]

you finding something insulting and someone attempting to insult you are 2 different things...

you claiming, repeatedly, that i have been trying to insult you is not the same as you saying you feel insulted.

so anyway, if we assume then that my guesses were wrong...you have no excuse to be making light of how someone wants to keep in touch with their loved ones, let them do what they want to do, no need to be a jerk to people about how they spend their time

[slim sphinx]

The person who said that literally said that as an example if you weren’t paying attention lad

[cunning lily]

You remind me of this person who got an F in school for 50 yrs straight

[vast hull]

hello i am the friend lol

[plain lion]

Well damn she saw it whoops 🤣

[slim sphinx]

Not even 50 nor lived that long so that joke or cough insult is irrelevant

[idle wharf]

to be fair he could assume that i was lying and i did mean it and only claimed it was an example...such is the wonders of the internet...

but that would be his opinion

[fervent fractal]

Just sad I moved from the monthly VRC+ to yearly earlier this month.... I might not even use it because of all this.

[cunning lily]

Its an example🙃

[vast hull]

hehe😎

[spring iron]

Damn im glad I never gave VRC my money lol

[bold sable]

examples doesnt matter ;
i said a trillion times insulting is subjective, i feel insulted then its an insult

[elder gorge]

IIRC you can submit a suppport ticket for a refund

[pulsar moon]

How does this effect you personally

[idle wharf]

oof, he sure got you @slim sphinx /s

[slim sphinx]

Oh okayy cool ya didn’t say it was but okay you do you hun

[vocal ridge]

i am an insult

[vast hull]

henlo ppl

[round igloo]

ur pretty
gottem

[silk iris]

The game runs on desktop proton but not in VR.
there's a feedback post about this: "1212-unable-to-launch-eac-vrchat-in-vr-on-linux"
I really had hoped vrchat would have delayed EAC until they had fixed the major issues

[bold sable]

yeah sorry its somehow an insult to you lmao
mfs literally crying because its true i said how fucking pathetic is edaters

[lyric eagle]

It's good enough to prevent open source modding, as well as big complicated malicious clients with lots of destructive features

[cunning lily]

Does vrc naturally develop passive aggresiveness if u sit on it all day

[idle wharf]

hoho i love it 🍿

[plain lion]

Hey at least someone said hi back lmao

[vast hull]

is this the cool chat?

[vocal ridge]

:I. :>

[slim sphinx]

I’m so hurt I actually might cry 💀💀 jk

[ashen pier]

This is the based chat yes

[spring iron]

Bro I thought this was the chill chat not the toxic chat lmfao

[fervent fractal]

Besides friends of mine no longer able to play,VRC IK doesn't allow enough tweaking to get it just right.... Dancing in VRC is about to get MUCH worse.

[plain lion]

I agree mate

[cunning lily]

I pray for everyone who uses vrc for 3+ hrs daily to go live an actual life🥲

[idle wharf]

oh the hypocrisy! the irony! absolutely riveting, i wish my tomato emotes worked here so i could properly show my enjoyment :tomatosmile:

[bold sable]

my words count

[slim sphinx]

Insulting e daters I see I see

[ashen pier]

both chats are more toxic than a chromium spill tbh

[vocal ridge]

also hello. :>

[cunning lily]

Yeah bc its not healthy or normal

[idle wharf]

3+ hours is only like...what...1/8th of the day? you need more than 7/8ths of a day to 'have a life'?

[split lotus]

Game devs, content creators, artists? interested in a ambitious VR social platform project? Check bio

[bold sable]

youre quite literally admitting that youre edating
then @idle wharf 's entire smartass theory is false lmao

[round igloo]

if y'all didn't want me to e-date, how about to beam some other gay dudes to my general vicinity in rural america 😔 🤠

[slim sphinx]

That’s not for you to decide

[dapper delta]

will vrc now crackdown on the nsfw scene too?

[ashen pier]

ironic

[barren whale]

prob eventually

[forest rivet]

God willing.

[idle wharf]

if that's the case, swap out mentions of family to mentions of any long distance relationship, or any relationship at all

[storm lion]

The nsfw side of vrc is one of the bigger parts of the community

[vocal ridge]

i just want a group i can play vrc games with

[bold sable]

yeah chat how do i get a girlfriend in vrc
and how do i hide it so my actual gf doesnt find out

[slim sphinx]

Yep and I’m happy with it….

[vocal shard]

yeah

[cunning lily]

8 hrs spent sleeping and if ur not financially stable already or a leech, 5-9 hours working, then the rest for personal enjoyment
@short egret is that supposed to say smth
@slim sphinx let the rest of the world decide then

[ashen pier]

VRC probably gonna crack down on everything that doesn't give them free money >:D

[woeful cove]

people getting banned left and right for speaking truth😀

[novel wigeon]

Trading files? Or just like letting people clone?

[idle wharf]

hmmm not the best analogy...i think better would be something like...

people likely thought that calling someone wasnt 'normal or healthy' and you should only do certain things face to face, now calling is normal, or texting perhaps, now its normal, VR is just a new thing that's become normal.

[plain lion]

Welp this got toxic so I’m out later peeps

[light summit]

welp im out im taking my avatars to CVR or Neos if youre interested. srry questies i dont think you can play on those platforms. VRChat it was great but good things must end eventually.

[vocal shard]

#ThankYouForMakingMyVRChatExperienceSoMuchBetter

Anyone in modded vr chat servers please share this hashtag to thank the moderators for their hard work and dedication. They did a lot for us as a community.

[slim sphinx]

A lot of people e date—— tons not for u to say anything about what we do with our lives

[ashen pier]

If any of y'all or I get banned for speaking the truth, just remember that it just makes it easier to spread the truth more widely 😈

[bold sable]

what about you guys stop fucking crying and get a pc that actually runs vrc instead
mfs running vrc under min specs and started crying when modders get fucked
modding is literally not allowed at the first place the team just didnt do shit

[round igloo]

do you people always have to let your true colors show by implying anyone that can't work is a leech? 🥱

[spring iron]

Vrc is just a straight warzone rn lol

[slim sphinx]

Facts though like-

[idle wharf]

maybe analogy was the wrong word....comparison i think is better...my point is i dont think anyone reallyy said anime was 'unhealthy'

in this case the argument is that edating is unhealthy, likely in a social sense and not letting people 'get out into the real world' and 'learn to socialize properly' or w/e...i figured more fitting was the rise of phones and texting and whatnot.

i get your point regardless i just...like to work on thinking of comparisons or analogies or metaphors or whatever 😅

[ashen pier]

"security update"? more like diy hacking simulator lmao!

[abstract blade]

Warzone lobby

[livid remnant]

I wonder why tupper hates his disabled community so much 🤔

[vocal ridge]

yea. just without being able to use slurs

[spring iron]

We finna be in the gulag soon if all this toxicity doesn't stop lol

[cunning lily]

Anime is animated cartoons but from a different country
Edating ESPECIALLY through vr chat is literally having a fake relationship in most cases, ur not attracted to each other ur attracted to their voice avatar and time u spent w them on a game😭
@slim sphinx my friends drink and some 🍃 just bc its done by lots of ppl doesnt mean its healthy
@round igloo what are u doing as a fully grown person if ur not financially stable and spend ur time talking to people through an online world, i doubt everyone is disabled and doesnt have the option to work

[ashen pier]

Are you implying a warzone is calm by comparison? /j

[vocal shard]

Is the update also causing it to not to open for some?

[inland bone]

I got my account suspended for the first time after playing for 2 years and it said because of avatars

[ionic dome]

How do these guys make such a shit solution to problem that’s doesn’t even work. Save the kids that play your game first.

[spring iron]

At this point I say its equal lol

[idle wharf]

i will say finding people online and edating solely there is likely typically fake, one sided, or similar...

edating as far as an irl relationship that is real and involves other things besides VRchat, like video calls and whatnot, trips to see eachother irl, etc. but 'dating' in VRchat is perfectly fine and perfectly normal/healthy

[slim sphinx]

It starts as e dating and then I get to know them more your so freaking dumb I can’t even with you right now….I’ve literally seen what my partner looks like and shit…ur literally the most dumbest person I’ve encountered about e dating

[abstract blade]

People are mad over such small thing

[bold sable]

its not a long distance if you never met her dumb fuck
thats called edating

[livid remnant]

"hey we care about our disabled community"

"anyway, we're gonna make it so you can't play our game, and we're gonna take like a year to implement anything even close to the quality of the mods you were using before. Also, what we're doing provides literally 0 actual benefit and only causes problems."

[sharp robin]

Yeah if you have a “malicious” type avatar and it gets banned while in your favourites I think you get banned idk

[fluid quail]

Ooh I really like the friends only portals

[stone snow]

imagine using EAC hoping it'll solve everything LMAOOOOO

[rapid pecan]

!online

[round igloo]

awww happy for you! <3 I can't wait until the day I get to move in with my boyfriend in the future, moving cross-continent is going to prove to be quite the ordeal though, I'm sure. U_U

[idle wharf]

who's being the insulting one now?

also please re-read...he said 'before i could afford to move to be with her' as in he's living with her now...unless im misunderstanding what you're getting at, but you replied to them so...i figure that's what youre referring to...

[sand beacon]

I love edating because I feel like if we move too fast, at least it's virtual and not physical. I feel like it adds another step to dating, making you actually get to know the other person through conversation. My relationships online have historically worked out better.

[slim sphinx]

Happy for you I plan to meet my bf next year hopefully

[ashen pier]

VRCT moment 😂

[inland bone]

I've had avatars that got banned but I was fine and t

[bold sable]

youre dyslexic thats why
my speech is pointed towards before they met

[vocal shard]

Fortnite is an online video game developed by Epic Games and released in 2017. It is available in three distinct game mode versions that otherwise share the same general gameplay and game engine: Fortnite Battle Royale, a free-to-play battle royale game in which up to 100 players fight to be the last person standing; Fortnite: Save the World, a cooperative hybrid tower defense-shooter and survival game in which up to four players fight off zombie-like creatures and defend objects with traps and fortifications they can build; and Fortnite Creative, in which players are given complete freedom to create worlds and battle arenas.

Save the World and Battle Royale were released in 2017 as early access titles, while Creative was released on December 6, 2018. While the Save the World and Creative versions have been successful for Epic Games, Fortnite Battle Royale in particular became an overwhelming success and a cultural phenomenon, drawing more than 125 million players in less than a year, earning hundreds of millions of dollars per month. Fortnite as a whole generated $9 billion in gross revenue up until December 2019.

Save the World is available only for Windows, macOS,[b] PlayStation 4, and Xbox One, while Battle Royale and Creative were released for all those platforms, and also for Nintendo Switch, iOS,[b] and Android devices.[b] The game also launched with the release of the next-generation PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S consoles.

[idle wharf]

fair enough however i'm not dyslexic and even if i was my ability to recognize similar looking letters from one another wouldn't have been the cause of miscommunication there...

[livid remnant]

lol no of course they won't

[sharp robin]

I would like to see the server in 8 hours with no QOL from the clients and see how the server is I am gonna take a nap and for @inland bone it’s part of the new update I think you are the 5th person who got that

[spring iron]

https://tenor.com/view/colbert-popcorn-popcorn-stephen-colbert-eat-popcorn-popcorn2020-gif-16075618

[cunning lily]

Congrats for u but ur personal experience isn't the standard, there's easily more people making pointless experiences w ppl they'll never meet or possibly even talk to in 2-3 years
@idle wharf difference is with those apps you're actually TALKING to the person you're interested in, someones actual face is not the same as some random 3d character
@slim sphinx 😂😂ty
@sand beacon happy that works for you

[azure kettle]

Y'all wants some waffles 🧇 🧇

[willow kite]

Bro it’s funny bc roblox vr runs better than vrc

[fleet cairn]

yes

[inland bone]

Dam that sucks I don't use the things on the avatars the just look cool that why I have them

[round igloo]

I mean, if people are meeting and marrying the people they were previously e-dating, surely that implies that e-dating can work? lmao

every single one of my high school relationships was a short-term fling who I no longer talk to after 2-3 years 🤔 (and obviously those were in person, which is why I bring them up)

[forest rivet]

Really funny how silly people are here
Pretty obviously this is the first step to monetizing the platform that investors have been throwing money at forever. Having a big player base ≠ profitable
If between the choice of no VR chat and gimped VR chat you'd choose no VR chat then just stop playing

[ashen pier]

Nahh, anything involving "effort" is impossible for them. Who cares if it means that we have no curated modlist or accessibility tools, because they certainly don't appear to!

[azure kettle]

Bet 🧇 🧇 🧇 🧇

[slim sphinx]

Facts and @round igloo also facts

[cunning lily]

This can be used to dismiss so many events, idk why this argument exists

[grim vessel]

@sharp rose since EAC is implemented, I can no longer use the camera that vr users have. Can you guys add camera with the same function as vr users for desktop users? I love taking photos of my friends and myself.

[vocal shard]

!online

[idle wharf]

yeah i agree, plenty of situations where it's 100% online or 100% through VRchat or discord or w/e and never progresses...that's the less healthy thing UNLESS those people also yknow...actually find someone and dont believe their online only with no vid chat and such relationship is the same as a real one

[fleet cairn]

thanks bro

[azure kettle]

XD I just imagining the can I please have some waffles meme 🤣

[stone current]

ok so technically, you could still have something like avatar and world favorites as a part of an external application or steamvr overlay, only using VRC web API calls similar to the popular VRCX application, and that would not violate EAC or the modding guidelines

Stuff like CC would still be possible with an overlay but isolating the voices for each player probably won’t be easy

[idle wharf]

unfortunately this is how alot of people think...if it doesnt affect them then there's no reason to care at all...they view everything through this lens...its their foundation for some things...so you cant argue with them because they cant see things your way...there was a video explaining this very well howevre it was about politics, the 'right wing mindset' or smth...

[cunning lily]

Well in that case you could have ignored my message, wasn't directed towards you and you responded to it

[fleet cairn]

pretty much since theres a searing fight in the server

[errant laurel]

Waffles r just pancakes with abs prove me wrong lol

[spring iron]

MW 2.0 right here

[vocal shard]

A shoe is an item of footwear intended to protect and comfort the human foot. Shoes are also used as an item of decoration and fashion. The design of shoes has varied enormously through time and from culture to culture, with form originally being tied to function. Though the human foot can adapt to varied terrains and climate conditions, it is still vulnerable to environmental hazards such as sharp rocks and temperature extremes, which shoes protect against. Some shoes are worn as safety equipment, such as steel-toe boots which are required footwear at industrial worksites.

Additionally, fashion has often dictated many design elements, such as whether shoes have very high heels or flat ones. Contemporary footwear varies widely in style, complexity and cost. Basic sandals may consist of only a thin sole and simple strap and be sold for a low cost. High fashion shoes made by famous designers may be made of expensive materials, use complex construction and sell for large sums of money. Some shoes are designed for specific purposes, such as boots designed specifically for mountaineering or skiing, while others have more generalized usage such as sneakers which have transformed from a special purpose sport shoe into a general use shoe.

Traditionally, shoes have been made from leather, wood or canvas, but are increasingly being made from rubber, plastics, and other petrochemical-derived materials.[1] Globally, the shoe industry is a $200 billion a year industry.[1] 90% of shoes end up in landfills, because the materials are hard to separate, recycle or otherwise reuse.[1]

[azure kettle]

🤣

[stone current]

why would EAC care about a generic external program; its designed to detect and prevent client modifications and injections, which an external program with no tie to the application wouldn’t trigger

[idle wharf]

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

[fleet cairn]

both are really good, love me some pancakes and waffles

[cosmic mirage]

Okay I’m going to say this, yeah the update sucks and could have been so much better if they handled it differently like added the content and accessibility clients bring first then added the anti cheat but still that’s aside from it. Where you guys are in the wrong is attacking the devs in the ways you’ve been. You can call the decisions stupid but doxing them, calling them slurs, and all of this other crap isn’t right especially since we wouldn’t even have a game remotely close to this for vr if it wasn’t for them. Grow up and stop acting like children. It’s okay to protest but be civil ffs. Call me a clown or whatever you want idc just shows how incompetent and childish you are to the point where you probably aren’t even old enough to play.

[cunning lily]

One is fluffy the other is usually tougher
Since pancakes arent evenly cooked and different densities it makes a different taste

[livid remnant]

can we talk about how ontop of this being a slap in the face to disabled people, it also does ALMOST ZERO GOOD?

EAC has been cracked 10 ways to sunday. malicious hackers WILL GET THROUGH IT. they'll put in the effort, all you're doing is goading them. tempting them to try and break it. all that EAC does is make malicious hackers WORSE while removing the ability for wholesome and QOL mods to exist.

also: VRC is a SOCIAL EXPERIENCE. even if EAC did anything of value, it makes no sense for it to be used in VRC. it has no place here.

the devs are just fucking power tripping for some reason, and it's ridiculous. they're doing so much more harm than good pushing this useless damaging update.

[slim sphinx]

Awwwwwww

[cosmic mirage]

Load up desktop mode or turn off gestures in your quick menu

[azure kettle]

🤣

[errant laurel]

U can make waffles out of pancake batter tho so waffles r pancakes with abs

[idle wharf]

plenty have talked about it but unfortunately alot of people just discard it as an 'excuse by elitist modders' or smth

[stone current]

it doesnt do anything about vrcx or similar applications including some of my own, leading me to believe this is perfectly possible and not violating guidelines

[livid remnant]

ffs. some people will fall for anything, huh?

[fleet cairn]

crepes, waffles and pancakes are the same, but no one ever mentions the fact p, d and q are all the same

[cosmic mirage]

Go to #user-support-old and tell me in more depth what the problem is

[idle wharf]

another thing to try is hypnosis, it can close that gap in alot of ways until people are actually together

[round igloo]

awww that's super sweet! I'm really happy for you two. I definitely agree the lack of physical intimacy is rough. spending those two and a half weeks with my boyfriend was genuinely the happiest I've been in my life, and I absolutely miss being able to snuggle and fall asleep next to him every night. We exchanged t-shirts and got eachother some lil gifts which have helped a bit in the meantime, though. He got me a really cute cat plush to snuggle with, haha.

[spring iron]

No you shall not be able to see your self ever again

[cunning lily]

Yes but prep methods are different
One forces even cooking and makes parts much thicker than pancakes
Different densities and cooking method results in a different taste

[soft belfry]

There is a fucking bug in vrc

[true sparrow]

#ToHellWithEAC

[stone current]

sure but in what scenario would EAC detect a program on one machine and not on the other? without doing any dodgy encryption or emulation or anything

[raw abyss]

Yall can we chill its not the end of the world

[ashen pier]

Paywalling upload space and having store fees make sense, though having no obvious monetization plan and selectively paywalling new features is awfully sus
Stuff not being free is just fine, and in many cases it's preferred; predictability, as always, is what inspires trust. On the other end, a lack of strategy makes people suspicious of a future mad rent-seeking dash

[azure kettle]

Don't forget about b

[fleet cairn]

knew it, i forgor one

[idle wharf]

its the end of the VR world, to some at least...

[stone current]

well in that case then that has nothing to do with the external program itself but rather a flaw with EAC so i don’t understand what the issue is with my proposal

[raw abyss]

Devs will sort it out. In the mean time. Get jobs. Touch.some.grass.

[round igloo]

i like grass 👁️ 👄 👁️

[azure kettle]

Fight me on this French toast is better than all of them

[idle wharf]

the likely idea that its investors pulling the strings is why i dont like people hating on the devs so hard, it might not be their ultimate decision, maybe they have to or they lose funding and lose the game entierly...better a boat that barely stays afloat then no boat at all, right?

[still bane]

lol... my friend cancelled his subscription and just this second I gifted him a 1 YEAR sub... hehe oops :)

[forest rivet]

I don't think there is a plan. This very much seems to be a last mad scramble to keep it from going under. Under the impression the latest round of funding from investors came with some stipulations like proving the platform can actually be profitable rather than just a money sink

[fleet cairn]

havent had french toast :(

[vocal shard]

hewwo :3

[raw abyss]

LMFAO

[ashen pier]

Instructions unclear, firing up my AR headset to touch holo-grass instead 😜

[round igloo]

pfft nice discord id number

[forest rivet]

More or less agree. Good take.

[fleet cairn]

did someone just doxx in the chat

[stone current]

i am not talking about a mod at all, you clearly arent listening. a mod is a modification. in this case: modification of the vrchat client. an external program which uses the VRC web APIs is not a mod, it is simply an external application. there are plenty of things you can do with the web API such as grab avatar information, change your avatar, ..
all of which are independent from the client and do not violate vrchat’s terms of service, and they clearly have stated before they have no issue with API usage

[prime kindle]

legitimate question here, does vrchat consider cryptocurrency to be their top priority?
https://i.imgur.com/VFH1cr6.png
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/vrchat-jobs?currentJobId=3153683793

[livid remnant]

they won't get rid of EAC. this is just step one to the devs turning this game into some corporate shlock like horizon worlds. they even mentioned wanting people with NFT/blockchain experience in a job listing. get ready to jump ship, because the devs don't care about you anymore. they don't care about the community

[idle wharf]

henlo mistuh fuwwy pewson, why haev yew com here and outed youwsewf wike dis? many peepul wiw be vewy mean to youw 😦

[vocal shard]

thank you

[west yoke]

A lot of the developers are quite against it. It's more probable they just need somebody with a similar skillset to dealing with crypto

[regal furnace]

thats creator economy, one of the things announced last year

[raw abyss]

Probably

[azure kettle]

You missing out xD

[frail nova]

holy crap theirs adds now??? WHYYYYYY i had to add and subscribe to this platform to sappourt the fact its the only way i can watch vedeos in peace. heck even netflix is adding adds to their sht STOP MAKING BLACK MIRROR A REALITY PLS we dont need to make this satier a blue print for scociety.

[ashen pier]

people animals in the chat have been doing that now and again for a while now

[limber beacon]

is that legoshi doing the jacko pose holy shit

[round igloo]

dang don't insult animals like that, yo. snails are my homies 🐌

[fleet cairn]

i knowww :(

[prime kindle]

Thank you for the answer, friend showed me this and i wanted to know

[livid remnant]

theres also a chance VRC is getting paid off by epic and plans to offer the game on the epic store, like alot of other indies. maybe epic required them to use EAC for the deal to go through

[vocal shard]

ye

[idle wharf]

godspeed you magnificant bastard

[stone current]

what is malicious about the program? explain it to me. it is simply performing http requests. you can write this shit in python if you would like it that way

[frail nova]

what about emvrc??

[low heart]

Add me on vrc- shiannekaylynn

[sage canopy]

Lol

[vocal shard]

I came here to check how everyone is doing with the whole EAC thing

[limber beacon]

eac do be more malicious than 90% of the shit its blocking

[idle wharf]

shit's on fire yo

[ashen pier]

maaaaaybe
I'd say it's more plausible that FB is trying to bury the competition (if one could say Horizon is a worthy competitor lmao)

[tidal kayak]

Vrchat is already open for me, since i cant use mods at all due to the obvious quest 2 thing

[vocal shard]

lol

[forest rivet]

VRchat doesn't need to be buried lol. It's already an unprofitable money pit.

[idle wharf]

@sand marten got balls to be reposting that, finna get banned... o7

[stone current]

existing game mods would have to become external applications and steamvr overlays in order to co-exist with the EAC update, and will have to strip many features like noclip and whatnot; essentially anything that interacts with the client directly and cant be performed using API calls. anti-crash will no longer be possible but something like avatar favorites and searching will still exist and be possible with external applications

[livid remnant]

how would FB even force them to use EAC though? Plus, I'd use VRC with eac before i would even consider using horizon? like how is this "burying" anything really

[ashen pier]

facts

[limber beacon]

<:

[vocal shard]

I don't have anti crash and i cant search up avatars :(

[tardy ledge]

lmao eac on android? right lmao eac is a borderline scam company owned by egs, if vrchat could it would 100% be an egs exclusive

[round igloo]

henlo, unrelated but your avatar is cute and I've been recommended to look into the game he's from

[stone current]

yes you can, in fact many databases are still perfectly functioning, but you would have to reset your avatar ingame after selecting it with web API

[livid remnant]

EAC is genuinely one of the worst anti-cheats out there. ranks up there with vanguard for valorant

[tidal kayak]

Akore

[ashen pier]

You're about as puzzled as I'd be if Epic (or anyone besides bean-counter funds) was trying to vassalize VRC...

[vocal shard]

I haven't been on vrchat in so long and I come back to this

[mighty granite]

The devs single handedly killed their own game lmao

[stone current]

you can select your avatar from outside of the vrchat client using standard API calls, and you could even do this on a mobile app if you are a quest user, meaning infinite favorites on quest standalone

[tidal kayak]

Epic is definitely going to ruin vrchat if they get there hands on it man
Its gonna become one of the most boring games ever

[umbral reef]

I'm sure that the VR game almost went to be exclusive for the platform without any VR options at all after they spend ages making sure the game still works on Linux and steamdeck 💀

[limber beacon]

yeah thats the issue. by implementing the eac they barely removed any of the crashers but they did fuck up most of the anticrash we were able to use instead

[idle wharf]

yknow i'd intended to see how bad VRchat was or play some ironlights (if its not dead) but chatting here is too engrossing

[vocal shard]

yea :(

[ashen pier]

same tbh, VRC for the last bit has felt lacking for me

[tardy ledge]

actually id argue vanguard atleast has a purpose , vr chat is clearly a game the community knows much better then the actual devs who seemely cant code fuck all on there own. cant wait for all the "open source" mods to be stolen and "made from scratch" by the "dev" team lmao

[limber beacon]

wouldnt be surprised if they pulled that

[livid remnant]

FR. I'd at least have some respect for the devs if they hired on modders who made accesibility and QOL improvements

[umbral reef]

Not sure what distro you use but it should work fine
Eac has been fine with Linux for a damn while now

[mighty granite]

Rec Room better now and the devs there are still shit

[tidal kayak]

Im gonna leave this server for obvious reasons but
Im still gonna be playing vrchat since its literally all i got rn for oculus, you guys have a good day

[idle wharf]

9 times out of 10 this is the case...the bigger a dev team gets the more this is the case...

one exception is Anton Hand, the dev for H3VR....what a wonderful person

[stone current]

u can essentially have avatar search and favorites available for every platform, even on a mobile phone or quest, by using the vrchat api calls to grab avatar information and choose an avatar

[ashen pier]

and paywalled for rent money, don't forget that!

[vocal shard]

I have had a look at neos vr and it looks pretty cool

[sage canopy]

I wonder how the ingame community is holding up, imma interview people

[fleet cairn]

i dunno if its even possible, but if someone had a mod for vrchat and they were somehow able to get it onto steam as downloadable content, would eac still stop you from going onto vrchat? just out of curiousity i have no experience making mods

[livid remnant]

Blade and Sorcery devs aint bad either give them some credit too

[umbral reef]

The beta ran fine for me 🤷
Havent been on since full release because i was sleeping so

[limber beacon]

share results :)

[stone current]

ive already been working on some personal apps to see if i can set up things like a world database and avatar database that functions detached from the vrchat client. ToS friendly and EAC friendly, and if you really don’t want to flag EAC, you can run it on your phone

[eternal ruin]

Want tacos?

[forest rivet]

If you're trying to game on Linux, especially multiplayer games you truly are bobo the goddamn clown
Even games with high proton compatibility ratings are finicky as fuck

[idle wharf]

didnt exclude them, imo tho anton is the best example...and delivers in a far more timely fashion to boot (nothing against B&S team their project is a bit more ambitious in some areas)

[ashen pier]

Neos is based, though I've heard it has a learning curve cliff covered in fire and bears, but at least everything is in VR

[vocal shard]

I'm gonna leave now I hope everyone has a wonderful day/night🤍

[spring iron]

I cant even log into vrc and chillout's servers are down for me lol eh whatever I got other stuff to do

[livid remnant]

they kinda dissapear for months and then drop the most godly updates of all time, anton is definitely a bit more of the trickle out update mentality

[limber beacon]

u too <3

[round igloo]

byeee legosi o/
I'm prolly gonna head to bed myself

[umbral reef]

Neos aint a social game, its a 'better apply that uni degree to learning our UI' and creation game.

[ashen pier]

~ d o n e o s ~

[fleet cairn]

i've been hearing a lot about chillout vr, how similar is it to vrchat?

[idle wharf]

fire? bears? reminds me of a game with dwarfs, and fortresses...and !!SCIENCE!!

@livid remnant i wouldnt say trickle exactly...as far as actual live updates to th game? yeah ok i can agree...but he puts update videos showing stuff off WEEKLY and seeing the rate that he's adding things, even if WE dont get them right away, is still STAGGERING...

have you seen what he's been doing with those 'pistools' and such?? jfc the man is a wizard

[vocal shard]

so if im on steam on quest im fucked

[ashen pier]

very, except the devs are based and don't just listen to, but actually attempt to understand the community

[livid remnant]

some devs are just built different

alright, that all being said. fuck tupper and strasz and any other team member who supports EAC. positive vibes to the rest of y'all. see you in chillout maybe? lmao

[unkempt creek]

Chillout OMEGALUL

[vocal shard]

rip my fullbody

[marsh chasm]

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

[ashen pier]

Chollout and Neos couldn't haveasked for better advertising!

[umbral reef]

What is it, like attempt 5 for CVR to keep its user influx and not lose it all again 💀 ?

[limber beacon]

cant even watch a movie on vrc anymore :(

[ashen pier]

I don't want to get into political theater, but fax

[livid remnant]

fuck VRchat, play garfield kart instead.

[ashen pier]

Screw this, I'm going back to Runescape.

[peak mauve]

fuck everything, go out and touch some grass

[tidal kayak]

Make fun of @deft iron they dont know people with color blindness exist

[idle wharf]

need a "GF"? 100gp an hour 🙂

[umbral wyvern]

Transitioning from VRChat to runescape makes me think about if the next update was an even worse quest update called the condensed can update where they gave VRChat the quality of classic runescape

[livid remnant]

instructions unclear, i got kicked by a donkey

[forest rivet]

856 games in my steam library and I'm here glued to this dumb chat watching people baby rage about a game I don't even play anymore

[tender scaffold]

your full body should be fine unless you're using some weird version of space calibrator that just hAd tO mod VRC, it should otherwise just hook to SteamVR

[ashen pier]

Wait, yáll go out to touch grass? why?

[tawny imp]

Im going back to warframe

[vocal shard]

im on quest my guy

[static parrot]

im using quest fbt just fine

[tender scaffold]

And? It makes no difference.

[ashen pier]

Lol same

[tawny imp]

Yeah hopefully it comes out soon, would be nice

[vocal shard]

help figure it out it wont launch for me

[deft iron]

I'm totally sure they're only using the mod for colorblindness and not because of other existing plugins

[static parrot]

what are u using for fbt stuff and u using virtual desktop etc?

[tidal kayak]

Dude
Im not colorblind
Even then, why would you care about someone using quality of life mods? They arent hurting anyone.

[ashen pier]

It's the end of VRChat. No spamming.
Truer words have never been spoken. Amen

[forest rivet]

Not yet.

[vocal shard]

desktop and vibe trackers

[livid remnant]

i'm a slime VR backer and was so excited to use them in VRC when i get them. there goes that.

[static parrot]

how is ur quest connected to pc tho

[tidal kayak]

Also you have a loli pfp so lmao 💀

[ashen pier]

Pretty soon the only colors I'm gonna see are dumb and dumber, I gotta go to bed

[vocal shard]

wireless

this reaction crazy bruh

[tender scaffold]

AirLink or Virtual Desktop?

[small wing]

Its like crazy calm in here, i love it. 😄

[mystic carbon]

why was i timed out for a day, all i did was ask a question

[static parrot]

dont jinx

[blazing eagle]

They most likely used virtual desktop from oculus not steam

[tidal kayak]

even worse, its from a 18 plus game

[deft iron]

Such a cute strawman. You're totally proving your case about why people need mods.

[vocal shard]

welcome to watchmojo, where we will be counting down our top 10 picks for the dumbest online backlashes

@tender scaffold can i dm you

[umbral flare]

So are all mods off vrc rn?

[mystic carbon]

who can I talk to about my unjust 24 hour timeout, all I did was respectfully ask a question

[spring iron]

Oh my this went from a MW lobby to a chill chat in like 10 min, weird.

[tidal kayak]

Granberia better, plus even
do you know what the fuck quality of life mods even do
They make vrchat better for you. Example
Making colorblind people see the word in the normal way, or you know
Stops seizures

[vocal shard]

as a strongly colourblind person myself i have never had any issues regarding vrc and colour vision, its a social game not a pilot test lol

[tidal kayak]

As a among us sussy baka i among us the baka sus amongus

[tender scaffold]

I think Salmonella might be a better target because they have the same setup. I just know that Quest + FBT is not really any different than any other hybrid setup and they all should connect to SteamVR, and a lot of people have been saying their FBT works just fine with Quest. but, I can try to help

[vocal shard]

New update didn't do shit.

[vocal shard]

can i dm you real fast

new update is a slow but good step forwards :)

[static parrot]

sure

[mystic carbon]

It is very apparent that moderation in this server is total ass. There have been countless unjust bans in the past day due to people simply criticizing the update. I simply asked a question and got muted for 24 hours, they don't want people talking about this.

[tidal kayak]

New update kills everyone, furry guy gal or whatever says otherwise
More at 9

[proud basalt]

i went from being able to get 40-50 frames in vr to now 15 by myself. the game was already taking up most of my cpu....now its unplayable lmao

[lament zinc]

Just saw the new security update.. I guess VRChat wants to stab itself and lose players, especially after looking at the new limitation for the Quest 2.

[vocal shard]

I got crashed the second I put on a minecraft axolotl because I wouldn't give it to someone

[umbral flare]

Understand that but what does it allow the user to do

[vocal shard]

i honestly think ur over reacting, its not that deep

(+bandwagon)

[tidal kayak]

What do you mean limitations??? Dm please

• for furry that was a silly

[mystic carbon]

Let's reenact January 6th in VRChat guys, that'll show 'em

[umbral flare]

Ah and wtf

[blazing eagle]

It sucks a lot, I have a vive but I prefer the quest due to the quality. If I wanted to use virtual desktop I’d have to buy it again on steam which is so dumb.

[worldly lion]

EAC is literally useless and security is just an excuse cuz the devs hate modders doing their job for them

[tender scaffold]

I think they're just talking about not being able to use Oculus PC store's version of VRChat anymore if using Virtual Desktop. it's an unintended side effect from the looks of it, but bypassable in the sense that you can just use the SteamVR version

[tidal kayak]

I honestly think EASY ANTI CHEAT is like the worse name ever

[peak mauve]

and they'll probably fix the Oculus Store VRC issue later

[vocal shard]

its gonna wipe out almost every script kiddie, who are the majority of malicious exploiters

[worldly lion]

Right?? And a free version at that

[exotic flicker]

the crashers are avatars moron

[vocal shard]

L devs

[tender scaffold]

how to get rid of 99% of avatar crashers: use security settings and turn off avatars of people you don't trust

[worldly lion]

People don’t only crash with scripts lol majority are avis with bypasses for avi security settings…

[outer raft]

No shot they leave it like this after this backlash, it would be like speedrunning a company bankruptcy. For a company with actual financial goals and investors this cannot possibly make any sort of sense from a user acquisition or revenue perspective.

[vocal shard]

you realize theres tons of crashers that pass through all safety right?

[vocal shard]

the majority who cant be bothered to sit and write their own intricate code do

[exotic flicker]

they will now

[tender scaffold]

yes, but those aren't basic avatar crashers. people are complaining about avatar based ones.

[tidal kayak]

Security update? My fucking ass.

[blazing eagle]

Doubt

[worldly lion]

Hiding avatars won’t work 100% of the time lol

[forest rivet]

Lol VRchat was already Speedrunning bankruptcy. Why do you think they're scrambling to monetize

[peak mauve]

won't help because there are still broken unity bundles that crash you no matter what

[outer raft]

it was more of a "main story only, skip all side quests" run, now it's a speedrun

[tender scaffold]

against basic avatar crashers, they do. against the other types of crashers? you're absolutely right. I never claimed otherwise

[gentle pond]

audio crashers love me for some reason lol

[vocal shard]

i didnt say it 100% defeats them, did i? why is it always extremes lol
i said its going to get rid of a majority who are on a whim for a laugh running some free shitty code to have fun on a wednesday evening

[tidal kayak]

Is quest 2 adding audio soon?

[umbral flare]

So we just need someone who will listen to the people to buy they game from the owners and fix this shit

[forest rivet]

Good comparison. Feels like the ships gonna sink either way 💀

[vocal shard]

im v sorry but you know what majority means, right?

[mystic carbon]

why was a developer for 🍉 loader banned for literally no reason.

[tender scaffold]

it's a security update for your instances not for your ability to actually exist in public

[fickle trout]

i need help if any staff can help me i am open to vr chat and the game just will not allow me to open it for some reason and i don't know why

[umbral flare]

Fuck people pay $10 a month for vrc+and they wont even listen to those users

[tidal kayak]

Fortnite

[gentle pond]

no way

[umbral reef]

Odds are he did clown stuff

[mystic carbon]

https://twitter.com/herpderpinstine/status/1551709209691148289?s=21&t=MPMkR0_i7kBas6EQRupe9w

[hasty willow]

Yeah Herpderpinstine is banned for no reason by VRChat. He says “Just got slapped with a ban by VRChat......
And this time I didn't even do anything.
I don't even mod the game anymore, haven't for like almost 2 years now but I am getting punished for the backlash?”

[safe inlet]

VRchat discord still on fire? ... yep

[tender scaffold]

things like, admitting to be someone who uses a modded client is a bannable offense on this discord. have you read the rules?

[mystic carbon]

my most recent message is the proof. VRChat can't even ban people who rip my content but as soon as they see the unity engine modder they curb stomp him. What a joke.

[forest rivet]

Shadow the hedgehog core

[tender scaffold]

nah, I'm good

[mystic carbon]

legendary response

[vocal shard]

EAC is fairly highly regarded if im going to be honest, lots of the information people spew on here about it being the worst anti cheat etc etc is complaining for the sake of complaining, looking at it with a smidge of realism, it will get rid of lots of simple scripts for the time being, and could possibly provide times to search for a better alternative, which isnt definite but could always happen. but we dont know yet since the update has been out for less than 12 hours so i think it was kind of dumb for everyone to bandwagon on the thought of eac being the death of vrchat, as there has been minimal time for it to actually run its course and see what comes of it. obviously the removal of wholesome mods isnt amazing, but the vrc team sees this and has put out a statement on this, and has concurred that the game needs further accessibility, which is a great step for them

[mystic carbon]

He hasn't done anything to warrant a ban. This happening during the backlash is definitely VRC Staff trying to shut him up, Yakuza style.

[tender scaffold]

yeah, I can't give a shit about your advertising, either :)

[umbral flare]

Why dont we just @ the vrc team lmao

[stuck parrot]

If you @ a VRC Team member, you get an automated 1 hour timeout

[umbral reef]

Seeing how this isnt the first time some mod person got banned and the staff later gave a damn clear reason for it- Just wait for them to reply on twitter or something. So far there has been no real case of 'oh we fucked up but we keeping the ban', its always a reversal or an proper explanation

[tender scaffold]

sure, but the point is that usually there is a reason why people get banned

[safe inlet]

The game is still alive and well, just saying. Most people don't use mods.

[umbral flare]

Small price to pay if everyone does it and also it would be multiple @ in one meszage

[umbral reef]

Explains why the biggest games on the market right now use it 💀

[stuck parrot]

Yeah, I'll probably ping Tupper one more time just before I head to bed

[vocal shard]

do you have proof that its a security risk? ive looked into it on many different areas and the most i can find is statements of it being a keylogger cropping up here and there, with no real proof backing the claim

[umbral flare]

Nah ping all of them

[mystic carbon]

That's why I'm trying to bring this shit to their attention. They clearly know about it, I got timed out for 24 hours yesterday for respectfully asking why he was banned for no rhyme or reason. They are trying to keep this on the down low, taking him out mafia style.

[lone hill]

Why is slowmode so long

[hasty willow]

Probably cause people were spamming about the update. Maybe.

[vocal shard]

This. This needs to be said people not getting paid to help the disabled the being silenced ik theres

[tender scaffold]

yeah, all I've seen are unsubstantiated claims of it being all sorts of things. and the problem is, they're always unsubstantiated with no actual proof. no better than rumors

[lament zinc]

"Virtual Desktop works fine if you use it with Steam VRChat. It doesn't work with VRChat on Oculus PC due to the use of DLL injection." No real need for a DM

[gentle pond]

listen. Even if EAC is a thing rn. Dev team i hope you guy are taking care of yourselves. take some time away from the screen and collect yourself. I might not like the update but yall are still human

[vocal shard]

thats why i said that, going forwards, it would be nice to see vrc possibly considering other anti cheat software

[tender scaffold]

nah, I'm good

[umbral reef]

A lot of toxic waste is being thrown around right now- Cant really expect anyone of the team to interact with this clown circus right now. No one should be getting the treatment they are even if they did whacky stuff.
So adding onto it by asking things (what the chatmods prob didnt even know about and just took the safe rout by removing it for now incase it was for something bad) doesnt help right now, just give them some time.

[hasty willow]

Isn’t the EAC the most commonly used one? A lot of people are saying it’s a weaker EAC.

[still musk]

Buy me the Steam version

[vocal shard]

"if someone researches something and forms an opinion on said subject, then they actually dont have an opinion."

where on earth did you learn about anything then? did god grant you the knowledge on everything you know from birth?

[lone hill]

Please insert cash or select payment type. Also I have an idea. We talk through nicknames to avoid slowmode

[umbral reef]

That dude clearly didnt go to uni 💀

Im sure they will love to talk while getting doxed, slandard and ect 🙂
Stop being so damn delusional and just give them time to properly reply instead of being part of the problem in this community

[half gazelle]

Going to find a crasher avatar go crash the world's

[tidal kayak]

Furry fortnite

[hasty willow]

👍

[mystic carbon]

lol they deleted my messages and sent me a warning. Didn't know that the VRC team were Yakuza lmao

[umbral reef]

For replying about why a dude got banned from a shitty virtual game? Like give them two days atleast 💀
They got a lot more important shit to worry about then some single dude

[hasty willow]

They don’t want people knowing the truth… It’ll hurt them even more…

[bold sable]

or because you didnt give them time to push out optimisations and began whining already?

[lament zinc]

Also.. why do this? I understand things such as Murder 4 will benefit, but also, what if someone had a mod since they were mute, blind, had haptics to increase immersion, or whatever the #1 mod was which allowed people to move around and such?
edit: It's not security, that has far been proven to be incorrect. To monopolize their game also makes no sense...

[mystic carbon]

I'm just asking simple questions. there's no need for Staff to handle things like this. Either admit you were wrong for banning the individual or give them the reason for the ban. That simple.

[hasty willow]

Lol I never even complained about anything. When was I complaining about VRC or anyone?

[umbral reef]

Odds are its because you dropped the name of what he made, chatmods be weird and vague about it as always

@short egretIts not really a priority to reply to most of this, lets be real. Its a joke to think we want answers on this when we didnt even get a reply on more big topics 🙃
That is super normal behavior within companies and for sure teams that communicate internally a lot

[bold sable]

not only you, the entire vrc community

[mystic carbon]

How's this for "circumventing the filters" -

A developer for a Unity Game mod loader was banned as of yesterday for no rhyme or reason. Let's talk about it VRChat Staff.

[hasty willow]

You’re still acting like I complained about the game. I know a majority is complaining right now but that doesn’t mean I am complaining either.

[tidal kayak]

Vrchats going oyasumi.....

[bold sable]

youre still being offensive whatsoever, is there a difference?

[hasty willow]

That’s being offensive? Are you being serious? Me not even insulting them apparently offensive. Lol okay then.

[hasty plover]

i can only assume the update dropped and people are having issues with it already?

[bold sable]

sarcasm.

[tidal kayak]

Talking? Thats offensive.

[exotic flicker]

this argument is dumb please argue about something else

[mystic carbon]

Like I said, they're giving us the yakuza treatment. I got ten dollars on them deleting every message that has to do with his unjust ban, and banning anyone from both game and discord if they mention it further.

[hasty willow]

Yeah okay. Say whatever you want.

[unkempt creek]

Sarcasm Card played, cards left - 0y

[hasty plover]

goodness, im going to try to run it and hope that its okay for me, probably not but ill take my losses i guess

[hasty willow]

Ah shoulda known. Forgot people can get offended so quickly.

[umbral reef]

Just dont break the clear rules on stuff, say the dudes name instead of what he does and no chatmod should mute ya for jank.
Like this place always had weird as fuck moderation and its annoying as fuck indeed. But they have changed compared to before or after the flood. Dont break the rules and you can say a lot of things

[tidal kayak]

You are getting up to someone about calling you offensive or something idk

[hasty plover]

tysm ^-^

[bold sable]

what gpu are you people even using
does it hurt that fucking much

[mystic carbon]

If they're willing to ban the dude for no reason I'm willing to bet chat mods will likely actively silence me even if I haven't broken any rules. They want this to stay hush-hush.

[umbral reef]

Chatmods only moderate this place though- That got nothing to do with ingame stuff or anything like that
Also we been talking about it for a damn while now without dropping a name and guess what, nothing got removed so far.

[safe inlet]

The Yakuza treatment? What happened with Yakuza?

[hasty willow]

the hush hush treatment

[tidal kayak]

Fortnite chat 2

[mystic carbon]

I'm saying they're running this place like they are yakuza.

[lament zinc]

Hey, can you DM me about what happened? Haven't heard of this issue.

[safe inlet]

I thought you meant the game series.

[exotic flicker]

bakamitai

[umbral reef]

HerpDerpinstine got clapped and its unclear as to why, we still waiting on staff to explain what and why.
Just check on twitter or something on who he is

[bold sable]

yeah theyre whining without elaborating

i know what i did, so whats your gpu

[worldly fjord]

Whats VRM?

[shy stratus]

Now we're asking the real questions!

[hasty willow]

Now that is truly an emergency to ask the staff about.

[bold sable]

your gpu is probably below min specs if you have to say this lmao

[paper star]

Omg genius

[lament zinc]

Wow.. talk about one hell of a betrayal.

[safe inlet]

My game works just fine. 🤷‍♂️

[hasty willow]

Already did.

[vocal shard]

That's what I need to know while in VR, but I can't use the mod to see something as basic as seeing what time is it anymore...

[bold sable]

so youre playing below the min specs the entire time

[hasty willow]

What about NeosVR?

[vocal shard]

Yeah I've been trying to play it but I can't log in, probably due to a massive influx of people

[umbral reef]

As i said before, just wait for a official reply from them. Might take a while with the insane crusade happening against the T&S team right now but they normally always reply to these things with a 'oh someone internal messed up, its undone' or a ' You did X and Y clear thing so no its for that'

[daring shuttle]

why cant i use virtual desktop to play vrc anymore?

[safe inlet]

Do it through Steam. Can't use oculus version with EAC since it's a DLL modifier.

[hasty willow]

Original message was deleted lol

[lament zinc]

I see the mods are being silent while censoring.. that's always fun

[rigid tree]

they honestly gave us some half assed "we know its important but we still gonna punish yall for others mistakes" I CANT EVEN LAUNCH VRCHAT RN even through steam. this is SO frustrating, I was a VRCHAT tiktoker for OVER A YEAR. now the game DOESNT WORK and EVERYONE is quitting. im so mad I wanna cry. all my friends are switching to neovr or chilloutvr. THANKS DEVS

[daring shuttle]

had to but i find virtual desktop much better

[umbral reef]

They always had server problems the second a small influx happened
Last time all servers died for the first days

[humble cairn]

why dont people understand that people sleep and thats why the !online is lower

[vocal shard]

Fr tho

[safe inlet]

I mean you people are being hateful, rude and even violent sometimes. You kinda brought it on yourself? Much better ways to vent frustration.

[umbral reef]

They always worked in this way what is major stupid but its not just something new.
Not that odd seeing how much Sach and tupper get harrased if they even show up for one second

[past mural]

Wow vrchat is so much better with easy anti cheat I feel the reduced amounts of crashers in the game right away every public lobby has people frozen in space glad it worked out

[lament zinc]

Point at one example of me being rude. A backstab is a backstab, but I have not called the mods anything.

[digital wadi]

I'm probably gonna get banned for voicing my opinion on this bad update lol

[daring shuttle]

i feeling it to like crashing more

[urban rock]

3000 player decline average gah damn

[humble cairn]

be shock ron is on i have not seen that man on for a long time

[umbral reef]

If you break the rules while doing so odds are you gonna get kicked yes-
Dont insult, post clear lies or spam and they really wont care
Update is shit, we all know it

[opaque forge]

🦭

[hasty willow]

haha agreed

[humble cairn]

ron is the cco ? since when

[rapid valve]

?

[urban rock]

Yall think people gonna go back to VRC when they fix this? (If they can)

[digital wadi]

I'm obviously not gonna break the rules lmao
I'm not that stupid

[lament zinc]

Of course. At the end of the day, VRChat is a great game, and I didn't use mods. However, I am knowledgeable enough to know the consequences of this update, hence why I'm here.

[hasty willow]

Yes and so will I.

[urban rock]

W

[vocal shard]

i think people are going to come back sooner, CVR and neos are gonna be temporary alternatives imo, because they arent amazing games

[umbral reef]

Give it 2 weeks without them fixing anything and users will flock back

[opaque forge]

🦭

[broken sail]

What exactly is going on? Is it safe to be on vrchat? I've heard people are being hacked and banned rn

[subtle walrus]

VRchat is going to the shitters that is what is happ

[safe inlet]

Nothing has changed. People are just being babies.

[hasty willow]

ChilloutVR did a way better job though with the who membership thing. It ain't a subscription but a cheap one time 8 dollar purchase. 20 for a cat on your profile.

[urban rock]

Since I can't reply to every message because of slowdown, I agree with all yall who replied to the message

[daring shuttle]

i just want to use vrc through virtual desktop cos i find it feels better as i use a quest 2

[past mural]

Thats so biased chill vr has a 1-1 port for vrc avatars and worlds its so easy to switch over plus vrc isnt as great as you think with their optimizations right now cvr has 1 dev if there is a backer itll grow easily over vrc only thing vrchat has over everything is player base lol

[humble cairn]

Ron worked on lost Vikings what the fuck i didn't know that i looked it up and i more exiced by that then being mad i cant spell

[safe inlet]

And your "wholesome" mods will have just as easy a time too. 🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

and a couple million dollars over cvr too...

[royal sable]

3devs, it also has A CLOCK IN THE MENU. no anticheat

[sinful niche]

Lets do a picket sign protest at vrchats hq

[umbral reef]

The game has been competing for ages with VRC and has lost most of its special things that VRC didnt have..
Its also had major influx of users each time a update dropped and has reduced in numbers for various reasons

[golden panther]

This game isnt a competitive game or has player v player modes its a social game anticheat is aimed at games with things to stop unfair advantages

[broken sail]

So people are just inflating the whole situation and making it seem worse than it is?

[bold sable]

how are you sure it didnt do anything without actual source

[hasty willow]

(caps) IT HAS A CLOCK IN THE MENU? That's extremely helpful to me...

[autumn ice]

I’m considering downloading the game to my Meta/Oculus Quest 2 and know almost nothing about the community.

Is there a way to join in on fun without all the sexual nsfw stuff?

Also does that version have a character creator? How are the options?

[fickle wasp]

because I said it isn't working so that means it isn't

[broken sail]

Ahh okay thank you

[umbral reef]

Nsfw content sadly cant be avoided because people just love breaking the rules. Its sadly how the internet works when you give people creative freedom. You can report it though--

As for avatar creating, that has to be done on a computer no way to do so ingame or with a quest only.

[daring shuttle]

im guessing vrc on quest not much will change on there

[fickle wasp]

it bleeds over into the public rooms

[autumn ice]

Thanks. What happens if you try to play the game with quest only in terms of avatar then?

[bold sable]

q2 vrc literally cant be modded these people doesnt think before they talk

[past mural]

Its cause there are too many cheaters in vrchat that people without cheats win less! Which is why vrchat a extremely competitive game now adds in EAC a really competent tool used by many such as apex legends to combat cheats! I am so hyped since I can now WIN more in this competitive game called VRChat

[lament zinc]

It's valid criticism. Now, some people have gone way too far, going after mods that can't do anything when it comes to decision, but this recent update did *a lot of harm.

[winter bear]

Connection Terminated. I'm sorry to interrupt you Elizabeth, if you still even remember that name, but I'm afraid you've been misinformed. You are not here to receive a gift, nor have you been called here by the individual you assume, although you have indeed been called. You have all been called here into a labyrinth of sounds and smells, misdirection and misfortune. A labyrinth with no exit, a maze with no prize. You don't even realize that you are trapped. Your lust for blood has driven you in endless circles chasing the cries of children in some unseen chamber, always seeming so near, yet somehow out of reach. But you will never find them. None of you will. This is where your story ends. And to you, my brave volunteer, who somehow found this job listing not intended for you. Although there was a way out planned for you, I have a feeling that's not what you want. I have a feeling that you are right where you want to be. I am remaining as well, I am nearby. This place will not be remembered and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away, as the agony of every tragedy should. And to you monsters trapped in the corridors, be still, and give up your spirits. They don't belong to you. For most of you, I believe there is peace and perhaps more, waiting for you after the smoke clears. Although for one of you, the darkest pit of Hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don't keep the devil waiting, old friend. My daughter, if you can hear me, I knew you would return as well. It's in your nature to protect the innocent. I'm sorry that on that day, the day you were shut out and left to die, no one was there to lift you up into their arms the way you lifted others into yours. And then, what became of you, I should have known you wouldn't be content to disappear, not my daughter. I couldn't save you then, so let me save you now. It's time to rest, for you, and for those you have carried in your arms. This ends, for all of us. End Communication.

[broken sail]

Bruhhhh lmao

[rapid valve]

This man good?

[hasty willow]

Freddy game reference ???

[umbral reef]

The quest only build shows less avatars because of the quests limited power (same applies to worlds).
So you cant talk with everyone.

For uploading avatars you just have to use other peoples content they provided, there are a lot of avatar worlds with a lot of options for avatars to try and use.

[wind sorrel]

can someone send me the deira base

[safe inlet]

EAC is pathetic easy to get around. It did literally nothing to anyone who is so distraught about mods as they'll easily go around EAC. So, what changed and why is it bad?

[autumn ice]

So you can’t talk with everyone

I’m not sure what you mean by this part. The Quest has limited power for avatar-making….so I can’t speak to certain people?

[hasty willow]

People who have medical conditions who had to rely on certain clients to help them are now gone and makes the game unplayable to some. They have said that "No game has whitelisted mods" when Minecraft servers allow whitelisted clients to be played

[safe inlet]

Yeah stop using disabled people as a scapegoat. It's plain disrespectful.

[autumn ice]

I’m assuming you can have private rooms then as a way to avoid the nsfw situations, right?

edit: thanks!

[broken sail]

Oh yes 100%

[umbral reef]

Im being a bit unclear as its still too early for me @autumn ice

The quest build is not the same as a the PC build. The two versions show different content as they cant load eachothers stuff. If you go to a Quest and PC world you can only still see quest content but talk to PC users (that are using quest content).

For avatar uploading you need to use a PC to upload for the PC version and the Quest version. There is no way to upload content from the headset itself, has to be done on a PC.

[lament zinc]

Because now they have to work even harder when they shouldn't, they are forcing people, such as Linux players, to now mod when they originally didn't, and how many of the current mods will exist after this? The disabilities mods? I am being 100% honest with this one as I've seen them pop up in the community, and VRChat for some is their major source of having friendly interactions. I worry for them if they don't have that anymore. Anti-crashers? Also, what about the FPs issue I've been hearing about?

[hasty willow]

Scapegoat and disrespectful? How am I disrespecting disabled people?

[fickle trout]

does anyone know how to open vr chat

[fickle wasp]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update
yes this update actually added an upcoming update will add better functionality for secure instances you can ctrl+f and read about Secure Instances on their blog post.

Even if you have avatars hidden, people will still say bad things in public lobbies occasionally

[sturdy mica]

you open it?

[autumn ice]

What if I only own a Mac and don’t have Windows?

[storm rune]

i'm a few hours late now, but it does indeed work, even with the security update. you need to use Proton Experimental, optionally with bleeding-edge.

I'm running it on Ubuntu 22.04.

[exotic flicker]

instantly yes there is a lot of legacy stuff here

[rapid valve]

They didnt know about the vrchat disability mods and it is now recommended that becomes a feature in the game so there are no mods required

[safe inlet]

I've never once seen a crasher in 150 hours of random public lobbies, so... not buying it. FPS sucks because of poorly made avatars, so complain to the avatar makers. People using Linux should know that Linux doesn't play nice with a lot of things, and should get over themselves.

[fickle trout]

it refuses to open and i don't know why and i have uninstalled it and reinstalled it several times

[umbral reef]

Then there is no way without doing some extreme tech jank to upload avatars.
What is sad but not the end of the world, most players dont actually upload there own avatar as its a lot of work to do properly.

There are avatar worlds where you can find avatars you like and use those.

[rapid valve]

I saw one about 4 days ago and before that 2 months

[urban rock]

!online

[broken sail]

2 months ago for me

[hasty willow]

2 weeks ago for me

[fickle trout]

i think i will have to delete everything on my pc until i can run vr chat

[autumn ice]

Thanks so much!

Sorry but: avatar… “worlds?”

I’m brand-spanking’ new so I’m not even sure what you mean by world. Like server? There’s servers devoted to just finding avatars others have made?

[safe inlet]

Yes, avatar makers make worlds to showcase avatars they've made / collected -- and you're able to just join them and pick avatars you like.

[mystic goblet]

bad timing to get into vrchat

[autumn ice]

Thanks!

How do you go about knowing which ones to look for and join?

[lament zinc]

@rapid valve Sorry, but that can't be. They knew of the disability mods if they even glanced at the community.
@safe inlet I also don't see crashers as well, but that could just be due to my choice of worlds. If you check images, the FPS decrease has been proven with identical avatars, so that can't be the case. Lastly, that last point is not valid for a proper argument, so.. yeah.

[umbral reef]

In Vrchat you visit 'worlds' , its those maps you can join and prob seen on youtube.
Each world has a 'instance' that is a special version of that map where you and others play on, there cna be heaps of instances of the same world.

When we say avatar world we talk about worlds that got made just to share avatars with people. So no games, social stuff or ect. Its main reason for being shared was to make it easier to find the avatars.

[safe inlet]

Just look up things you're interested in. Lots of fandoms in VRchat.

[hasty willow]

I got crashed by a kid in black cat not that long ago I have seen a lot of crashers and ones that make my FPS tank horribly

[magic cloud]

Vrchat always managed to make their bad game worse

[storm rune]

poked you in off-topic, it's definitely possible

[autumn ice]

Are there lists of main avatar-browsing worlds?

[mystic goblet]

yes they do

[umbral reef]

Not really- Its fairly stupid how Vrchat lists the worlds.
But when your ingame and on the world tab in the menu you can search for things (top right search bar).
Typing in ' avatar' should show you heaps of worlds

[fickle trout]

i just restarted my pc and it still will not let me open vr chat so i will start deleting everything until i can open vr chat

[broken sail]

Its like war thunder, games are addicting

[safe inlet]

In your worlds menu there's a labeled section for avatar worlds, could start there.

[storm rune]

looks like a mod deleted it, but yeah, it still works on build 1213

[autumn ice]

Okay. Thanks again. Sounds like it’ll maybe be a long hard process before I find what I want.

[rapid valve]

Hmmm well if they were aware what is the point of getting rid of the mods? Also if the disability feature is going to be added soon why would they add the EAC first?

[broken sail]

Thats what I was thinking

[magic cloud]

Because within this bad game is a huge community of people you can’t somewhere else, everyone is their true self with max expression they can give out. Only down side is that the community needs this game

[umbral reef]

That sadly often is the case but youd be amazed at the amazing avatars and worlds people make.
Exploring is by far my favorite thing to do in Vrchat even if its often hard to find the exact thing i want

[regal furnace]

they havent considered it

or at least not enough

[autumn ice]

Cool. 🙂 thanks. Maybe I should look at it as a fun journey of finding my preferred avatar rather than a chore

[rapid valve]

Thats stupid everyone please promote the idea of adding the disability feature so this EAC thing isnt in vain of being fun for everyone

[umbral reef]

For sure the best mindset. Also another tip, you can 'clone' avatars other people are wearing. So if you find one you really like you can click on the avatar and there should a way to copy the avatar. Save it for future use and tada!

[regal furnace]

they are?

[autumn ice]

Wow! That’s exciting that they have that feature. Thanks for the tip!

[umbral reef]

This community doesnt deserve this game at all with how toxic most people are 💀
Should just pull the plug for a week to get these animals to behave

[broken sail]

I tried out Neos vr and its amazing

[hasty willow]

I love that feature. That's how I was able to get my favorite skin. Dark Souls Knight

[regal furnace]

server issues and legal issues, choose one

[wary shuttle]

Everyone tweet on twitter using the # ReverseTheUpdate let’s get it trending bois

[frosty cipher]

is shit still going down?

[magic cloud]

That’s just not true, this game used to have periods of time with no glitches or bad community service so they had already made a community that’s its own kind, once you’re in it you have to keep playing to stay

[vocal shard]

Too much work

[wide cove]

is anyone on index with working finger tracking after the update

[hasty willow]

Which is better I don't know which one to play first NeosVR or ChilloutVR I think Neo has the biggest playercount right now though but not far off so Idk which to play mostly.

[umbral reef]

Giant cap my dude
This game has been fighting with crashers, script kiddies and ect ever since 2017
There has never been a moment where all this shit was gone, at best less bad.

[broken sail]

Yes! I'm upgrading my pc in a few months and I'll finally be able to play pcvr necause neos from what I know isnt on quest

[vocal shard]

Mid update

[lament zinc]

Good question on why they did this first, the community is trying to find out. Also, for whatever reason, they had an unusual dislike for mods, so they probably just said screw it after the last few major updates.

[upbeat bronze]

lmao this shit still a dumpster fire

[storm rune]

I guess it was because off-topic is for non-vrchat related stuff. guess that's what I get for not seeing the channel descriptions though. regardless, now you know :s

[broken sail]

Neos has a bit of a learning curve to it, but ultimately it isnt that hard. The menus are less pretty but thats about it. Not tried chillout yet

[frosty cipher]

are people still mad at the update?

[rapid valve]

Not the best choice because it leads to hate spams and other stuff on this server and legit the owner left not only that but i legit witnessed tupper be called the n word 10 times in the span of a singular minute

[magic cloud]

But there were, sure they’re were crushers but literally guess what stopped those, the mods that they’re currently removing, I can remember points in time where glitches were rare and patched

[storm rune]

unfortunately, yeah - if we're not speaking generally though, it doesn't seem like it.

[hasty willow]

Okay, from what I hear the game runs really well. I am gonna give the game a shot as I don't feel like playing VRC

[woven barn]

Keep saying that as you guys refuse to listen to your own community and optimize your game so we don't need mods to make it comfortable ❤️

[umbral reef]

Being ignorant of these things doesnt mean they where never there. The game (before the update) was a lot more stable then people realized compared to earlier builds.

[viscid path]

Well, I bet they were jealous that modders can do a whole lot more than them so they added the update and are announcing those mods, As I see it, this just seems like they are getting rid of something that they are making their own, in comparison it's like the confusing plagiarism of the two songs Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby.

[lament zinc]

That is just a vocal minority. I recall addressing the few in general-1, who just posted the same thing over and over.. but boy are they bad.

[peak lava]

I love how people were so ignorant of the policy and then realized it just now 💋 I’ll be buying vrc+ again lol

[rapid valve]

This chat is better and thats where i saw the n word spam

[hasty willow]

Wait Multiversus is free on Steam???

[viscid path]

Which those QOL features were already a thing with mods.

[magic cloud]

Ok that was before the update and the point I’m making is that they’re gonna go back on a spiral of making their game worse, yes I said the game was bad but it legitimately is, the amount of frustrations I’ve had with this game and higher than most shooters I’ve played

[steel grove]

^^^

[frosty cipher]

i dislike the update for 2 reasons:

1. EAC impacts your performance (vrchat already takes up most of my cpu to run)
   and
2. i heard EAC is pretty easy to bypass

[lament zinc]

Fair enough.
Also to @peak lava , what about the quest feature that is gone? Linux players? What about disabled people who couldn't play this game usually? There are stories out there of people getting proper social interaction in VRChat when they normally couldn't in the real world, so add that to the mix, and you'll get an outcry of course.

[viscid path]

Exactly, so my prediction is that they want to claim it as their own work.

[umbral reef]

Really sounds like a you problem though my dude-
I never ran mods, never felt the need for it. Its been ages since i got crashed in a public world and even more since i found a game breaking bug that wasnt some avatar jank at worse.
The only real problem has been kids yelling and acting like kids 🤷

Compared to VRC two or three years ago and i would get crashed almost constantly or have bugs bad enough that make it so i cant play the game in the way i want even with small work arounds

[rapid valve]

I know zaddy :/ wth

[drifting sandal]

Umm what exactly is going on. I missed the lore

[lament zinc]

If they wish to post their ideas in an argument, expect a reply.

[magic cloud]

Dumbass, the point I’ve been making for 3 messages now is that this game is needed for the community im a part of so I have to keep playing it to be part of it, so by making it worse, everyone else who is in my situation are being fucked

[solemn cave]

Am I the only one who finds it incredibly comedic how, all too often, fans with no source code access and buggy tools can implement important features faster than the actual developers of pretty much anything
and then if the official implementation ever comes it ends up being somehow worse than the fanmade implementation

[willow kite]

It’s funny because I’ve never been more scared to go into a public lobby then after this update. EAC is so easily bypassed just look at TF2 it’s impossible to play online cuz it’s just hackers like if someone wants to hurt your account nothings stopping them. EAC is the equivalent of using a plate to stop a bullet

[regal furnace]

most actve server, thats your issue

[peak lava]

I don’t make the choices ofc, but I see from a company perspective I’m sure they felt the urge to want people to be safe and decided this was the safest way or a start.

Yes it took alot of fun features away but I’m sure with the compromise a lot of good is to come out of it

[merry willow]

hope ur happy vrc gonna be canceling my vrc plus till it gets revamped i dont trust not being able to have mods to protect myself @sharp rose @urban talon @covert chasm also being expecting a signed petition from 2-300 plus people including myself that will be canceling their vrc plus ive had vrc since 2017 and frankly this is bullshit

[umbral reef]

To be fair i havent ran the game with the update yet as work/it being 10am for me.
Odds are big there are mentally unstable kids cracked on energy drinks being assholes and actively going out of there way to crash everyone right now.

Its a given that it would happen, but at the same time, this too happened with the udon release 💀
So its not that special really

[rapid valve]

Oki then

[magic cloud]

^^^^^

[frosty cipher]

people are saying that those who hate the update are a vocal minority, but then look at the steam reviews, look at the drop in player count, look at all the youtubers who've given their thoughts on the update

[safe inlet]

Most indie devs are shit too

[solemn cave]

I already do, I'm a proud supporter of indie devs
They truly do deserve more love

[steel grove]

Honestly it would be so much better if they hired the people who made the safe mods to build it into the game. Clearly the vrchat team doesn’t know how to do it depending on the fact that they have been trying to fulfill requests for 4 years and modders have made mods that allow the same request within a few months. Anti cheat is a terrible system and will just bring more issues into the game. Along with making more pcs have a harder time running the game in general.

[forest vessel]

I’ve been playing vrchat since June 2017 so it’s kinda sad to see all this happen , I think vrchat is gonna lose a whole lotta people and maybe then they will regret doing this

[umbral reef]

A team of 30 devs working on everything in the game Vs 100 teams of 2a3 devs working on a hyper specific thing 👀
Almost like its unfair from the get go

[peak lava]

It’s called personal opinion btw, I’m aware of the unfortunate issues it’s caused but I view it as a step for the future for them too

[woven barn]

ay so what about in the mean time of the accessibility features being added what is the differently abled part of the community supposed to do till these are added?

how are people who are deaf or have other disabilities supposed to be able to play or have equal access to the game with out the mods that helped them?

[lament zinc]

I've only been hacked once by a white hat hacker due to a password leak, and 2FA helps to prevent this. There was a very, VERY small security issue with these mods, where if you kept to the well-established ones, you were fairly safe. Furthermore, not all of those were just fun features. Linux users? Disabled people? Forgot about those people already?

[magic cloud]

?? What point are you trying to make, is this some shitty attempt to be cheeky when the points you make just don’t make any logical sense

[forest vessel]

Vrchats rating will also most likely go down

[frosty cipher]

they could split those 30 devs into smaller teams and have them each work on specific things 🤷

[rapid valve]

Well its probably because of the effect of the mod on everything thats happening and the lack of consideration of the people who added the anti cheat to the game

[solemn cave]

More like a team of dozens of professional paid developers working on the game with the original source code vs a handful of teams of hobbyist unpaid developers working on mods with only reverse-engineered code

[mystic carbon]

tupper voicemail is funny af

[peak lava]

Each time I said “unfortunate issues it’s caused” meant anything served for non-malicious purposes. I’m not Omni-present and will not mention everything it’s affected under the sun.

If they intend to help with disabilities by adding in updates especially to help that’s kudos to them; but it goes back to the thesis statement; sacrifices were initially made to better the future of the game

[solemn cave]

I've seen this in far too many cases and in every single case it never fails to amaze me
Discord, VRChat, Sonic the Hedgehog games, the PS Vita, I could go on

[heavy hinge]

?

[frosty cipher]

its funny how they said they heard out feedback yet still ignored it and went on with the update, almost as if they dont really care about the community's opinions

[drifting sandal]

Yikes. Hopefully whatever this is clears with due time

[vagrant badge]

Exactly

[solemn cave]

Capitalism is a bitch, I'll tell ya that

[lament zinc]

An uniformed opinion is a dangerous one.
Furthermore with your new message, a sacrifice didn't have to be made. As they have made it clear, what the mods offered were not priority one, until now and they had the choice to put the update on hold. They did not. They were merely being foolish, trying to solve an issue that wasn't an issue. They actively harmed their game with no clear benefit. You may stop a bad script for now, but EAC is known to be "bad" because it has been used a lot for how good it is. This means that more people are actively trying to get around it.

[frosty cipher]

you know boycotting is a part of capitalism too, right?

[late badger]

yo do movie worlds not work anymore??

[solemn cave]

Yeah, one of the only good parts of it.

[late badger]

omggg it got worse wtf

[mystic carbon]

based

[autumn ice]

Any recommendations for how to go about finding “cleaner” worlds? (Less-likely to be nsfw worlds?)

maybe there’s communities that try to have that?

Edit: I know there’s no guarantee even in a “safer” community

[frosty cipher]

i'd say its the essential part. capitalism is based primarily on the choice of the consumer

[safe inlet]

Given the type of people that populate VRchat, you're not likely to find many places that aren't full of NSFW avatars and people being gross. Best bet is to find friends to hang out with in private worlds.

[toxic canopy]

Vrchat team u messed everything up good job u took everything into your hands and did not even let the Community vote or nothing u put a dumb EAC on a social game that’s dumb

[frosty cipher]

honestly i dunno, seeing nsfw avatars has become a daily occurrence for me in vrchat

[hoary torrent]

Yo

[magic cloud]

If you think everyone disagrees with me then you clearly haven’t been reading anything everyone in this servers has been saying. I’ve been doing everything that I can as someone with my power can in this situation.

Also please go ahead

[regal veldt]

find a SFW VTuber typpe streamer and join their community. They are usually less NSFW.

[steel grove]

I expect this level of intelligence from a Kermit the frog pfp

[blissful phoenix]

I heard black cat owner deciding to remove their world and going somewhere else

[autumn ice]

Might be a dumb Q but how do you find a sfw vtuber?

[frosty cipher]

chad

[mystic matrix]

Bruh did they actually do the update????

[mint orchid]

So like does this mean metaverse has won? Because if this Anti cheat stays on then they sure did 😂

[solemn cave]

even the world devs are pulling out now lmao
I wonder if blue-kun will do the same

[regal veldt]

I can DM you one, she is awesome and the people in her community are extremely nice.

[safe inlet]

Steam is not the majority of the population.

[magic cloud]

Thanks for the link, sorry for bickering with you, I could be doing more, apologies

[cloud fox]

Everyone should cancel their +

[autumn ice]

Sure!!

[blissful phoenix]

Yea kinda sad black cat the number 1 active world

[autumn ice]

What’s the most bizarre avatar you’ve ever seen? Just curious how wild it can get

[peak lava]

I'm fully aware of what the game meant to other people before the update though we won't see eye to eye on the development. However I think your spirit to advocate and help others is in these specific changes are good 👍

[errant flint]

lmao Shiet, I got a job and wanting to buy a Headset for this, waited for so long and then when my first month salary came this game commits Unalive

[mild kernel]

are public black cats safe for questies

[lament zinc]

👍 Fair enough

[errant flint]

I haven't buy it yet, lucky me lol, I almost put down a deposit yesterday and now I woke up to this

[steel grove]

The black cat is never safe people wise, lag wise not really either unless it has maybe 2 people in it

[mint orchid]

Everyone go tag Elon Musk to buy vr chat so he can take off this anti cheat. He actually listens to people

[frosty cipher]

the vrchat team is slowly becoming roblox

[cloud fox]

Kind of sucks cuz I literally just started playing again after almost 6 months away 😭

[solemn cave]

I'm so sorry for your sanity
consider trying Rec Room, I haven't tried it yet but I'm gonna since this happened

[autumn ice]

Was there even “cheating?”

I haven’t even downloaded the game yet

[magic cloud]

To a point but you have to go crazy on your safety settings and the options in the world

[cloud fox]

Someone make a new VR chat game lol

[pearl tide]

@sharp rose this chat isn’t a as busy so if you see this why not talk to the good mod creators and create a white list for those mods

[errant flint]

anychance we just run unofficial clients to by pass all this? They are quite determine that they won't roll back. Does Rec Room support custom avatar or sth? I never look into it before

[indigo wasp]

@covert chasm @sharp rose @urban talon

[vast stag]

@royal cobalt: If they won't let you use virtual desktop for anyone then we just need to contact the better business bureau for inhibiting a funtion that they have bo right to touch so get ready for a law suit my guy

[errant flint]

Good ol' Diablo 2 days, pirate server and all that jazz. Power to the people.

[vast stag]

@royal cobalt: If they won't let you use virtual desktop for anyone then we just need to contact the better business bureau for inhibiting a funtion that they have bo right to touch so get ready for a law suit my guy

[royal cobalt]

Fr though breaching terms against other companies products that have no terms or grounds to be breachedtsk tsk tsk better fix ur stuff vrchat

[viscid sparrow]

Anyone else lagging rn

[frosty cipher]

you technically cant cheat in a social game

they say that the anti cheat is going to prevent hacked clients from crashing the game amongst other things, however game crashers, and avatar rippers and whatever else they say its gonna stop, do not require a modified client to work. it will only stop beneficial mods such as text-to-speech for deaf and mute people

basically they said they're fixing an issue but that issue isnt the one being fixed, instead all its doing is preventing quality-of-life mods that some disabled people need in order to play the game, features that vrc will likely not have natively for a long while

[autumn ice]

So then what were they calling “cheating?”

[still birch]

Becuase they are dumbasses

[fickle trout]

i can not open vr chat

[solemn cave]

Unfortunately VRChat is in their legal right here since their Terms of Service explicitly forbids modifying of their software, so any lawyer worth their weight would scoff at that idea and throw it (and you) out.
It's worth noting that legally right does not equal morally right. This is a horrible decision morally by the VRChat team. Legally though, it's perfectly okay.

[woven sparrow]

uninstall and reinstall for a fresh version

idk then O_O

[cloud fox]

Class action is easy to start. I'm in one rn old boss has to pay up to 13 mil lol since this is a whole update easy case if you're right

[autumn ice]

Wasn’t say “why,” lol. Was asking “what.”

[serene garnet]

already tried that, didnt fix it

[frosty cipher]

its the new anti-cheat, its very laggy

[safe inlet]

Oh come off the high horse. You sound so pretentious.

[royal cobalt]

Not when it comes to virtual desktop because it dosent breach anything on their tos so no its actually bad business and they really don't xD

[solemn cave]

I have no high horse, I'm speaking the truth.
I hate this decision just as much as everyone else, I think mods are important for accessibility as well as many other reasons. I'm just saying, any lawyer would tell you they're in their legal right.
Worth noting IANAL.

[royal cobalt]

Maybe with mods but not with virtual desktop

[safe inlet]

No you're right about all the legal things. I'm talking about the "morally right" garbage. Just stop.

[cloud fox]

Just so everyone knows all sites have to be handicap abled. I'm pretty sure games have to be like that as well. 🤔 Though I can be wrong, but sites do get sued for not being user friendly for disabled people

[frosty cipher]

we should just boycott the game, specifically VRC+, which is the dev's primary revenue from the game

[serene garnet]

I Just want to get on, but it wont let me. keeps giving me an error

[west peak]

i had to reinstall the game to fix that

[autumn ice]

As a married guy who wants to just play games and have fun conversations without weird sexual encounters is there basically zero worlds that offer a good chance at that?

[royal cobalt]

But hey I guess you don't know about third party data laws that's funny 🤣

[safe inlet]

VRchat doesn't have much in the way of games, it's really just a social engine but you have an avatar instead of whatever you look like -- and that anonymity makes people act very gross.. If you want games, look at something like Rec Room.

[still birch]

Is neo world free?

[vocal shard]

So this discussion is really dumb since nobody here is a lawyer but I'd like to note that the default usage terms for proprietary software is "all rights reserved", software still tend to enumerate what you're not allowed to do to reduce ambiguity but there is no requirement. In addition, Virtual Desktop is clearly allowed, the problem is dynamic library hooks that interact with VRchat.

[errant flint]

bruh you can make your own. I was in Full Body Tracking Haven on PC for months. Its a strip club yet no sex talk

[serene garnet]

i literally did that twice yet it didnt do anything

[cloud fox]

VR chat has a ton of games. I can play pvp shooting, board games, among us and so much more

[unique jay]

[west peak]

if you used a client before, (which i totally didn’t do ahem) you probably have to delete the entire vrc folder, that worked for me at least

[autumn ice]

Thanks. Still wish I could have the avatar flexibility for fun. Oh well. :\

[vocal shard]

!Online

[fresh forum]

i wanna try and get all vrchat content removed from youtube ngl

[frosty cipher]

why tho

[safe inlet]

Give it a shot anyway. You're goinna see a shit ton of NSFW garbage, but there's some interesting things in VRchat.

[royal cobalt]

Ha

[autumn ice]

Wait……..what? “A strip club but no sex talk?” Doesn’t make any sense at all lol

[fresh forum]

its some of the worst content shown on youtube

[frosty cipher]

ok

[errant flint]

I know right lol, which was weird, and I paid no attention to it, until u said so and now I was like, actually no sex related talk at all! Racism tho..

[vocal shard]

Can we talk about the movie worlds not working

[autumn ice]

I might for a bit just to satisfy my curiosity. I’m fascinated by how VR culture might work.

[safe inlet]

Basement dwellers who don't know how to interact with people, and people with creepy fetishes. That's the culture.

[solemn cave]

And adolescents who go nuts anytime they see a female, and then vomit when they find out she's transgender.
No joke, happened to me multiple times.

[safe inlet]

That falls under "basement dwellers who lack social experience"

[mystic carbon]

I am organizing a militia to raid the VRChat Capitol this upcoming January 6th. Anyone wanna join?

[west peak]

@serene garnet glad i could help :)

[autumn ice]

When you say it’s a strip club, what do you mean? Like, what aspect makes it a “strip club?”

Are people wearing using nude avatars or something? Or are you saying it’s somehow a sfw place? Lol

[cloud fox]

Federal Communications Commission Rules Require Communications in Video Games to Be Accessible and Usable

[solemn cave]

"Storm Area VRC, they can't stop all of us"

[safe inlet]

FCC can't control interaction between players. That only applies to communication from the game to you, not from other players to you. Try again.

[autumn ice]

So basically “FBI Watchlist — The Game?”

[mystic carbon]

I'm debating on making it an actual facebook event to see how many people attend

[cloud fox]

Lol then why can people text chat me on Xbox 😂🤣

[safe inlet]

Yeah, close enough. 😛 You have some normal people and some normal-ish people, but they're definitely the minority.

[vocal shard]

When

[random arrow]

This wack

[errant flint]

not nude, just very reavealing, but thats a stroll on any social media right now.

[inner osprey]

Have u seen the reviews on steam lmfao this game dug it’s own grave

[umbral reef]

Allowing third party clients also aint allowed
It also does not state in what capability they should be able to play and how that should work so 🙃
If you say these things atleast know what your talking about as its not the 'haha gotcha VRC' that you think it is

[onyx parcel]

this sentence shows me that youre clueless about everything ^^

[mystic carbon]

And if it succeeds we'll just host a rave at Tupper's house

[solemn cave]

the steam reviews are nothing, just look at #vrchat-general-1

[west peak]

please let this become a scenario like sonics original design in the sonic movie 🙏🙏

[crimson osprey]

Why is slow mode so long

[safe inlet]

Because people are being babies.

[royal cobalt]

We're not talking about mods but about virtual desktop

[vocal shard]

Na I'm being serious I'm desperate 😭

[foggy saffron]

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[umbral reef]

Use it with steam and it still works 🤷

[royal cobalt]

Not for everyone some people have had to alter vrchats files to have it work

[mystic carbon]

I am scheduling an official Rave at VRChat Headquarters, who is with me ?!?!?!

[onyx parcel]

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[foggy saffron]

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[cloud fox]

@umbral reef bro 😐 almost everything has to be used friendly for disabled persons. Sites included but do you think they follow the rules? Nah, that's why people sue them 😂

[vocal shard]

Ok thnx I just needed to know ppl hove hope

[solemn cave]

I'm afraid Rafflesia is being serious too, "soon" can mean anything in developer terms. Hell, just look at Valve.
It could mean tomorrow, or 10 years from now, or until the heat death of the universe.
This goes for both the bypass and the official implementation of the mod features.

[mystic carbon]

It will be called the "Death of VRChat" rave and will feature artists like Juice WRLD and MF DOOM

[umbral reef]

Im not saying they should not be, one of the first things they should add are more accesability options
But sueing wont get you anywhere 💀 thats just clown behavior

[onyx parcel]

sueing vrchat? lmao , waste of money ~

They surely know more about rules than the average person

[clever stump]

I love that I rejoined to ask legitimate questions and can't post in the channel the official team is actually responding in

[spice swift]

ikr

[foggy saffron]

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[royal cobalt]

Said the man literally named clown tho

[cloud fox]

The FCC had waived the ACS accessibility requirements for video game software until 2019 (defined by the FCC to include “playable games on any hardware or online platform, including game applications that are built into operating system software”)

[umbral reef]

I know what i am unlike the rest in this community

[foggy saffron]

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[warped pagoda]

can yall stop blaming shit on EAC its vrchats fault for using it

[clever stump]

@sharp rose since I literally cannot ask in the channel you're paying attention to.... How can we trust any of these additions will be done swiftly when features as simple as a clock within the menu have sat unheard since 2018? There's only a single feature request on the website listed as "in progress" and it's been that way for over a year.

[umbral reef]

Dude im on mobile dont make me translate that stuff
If you want to roast me just do so in dm's or something then i can post funny emotes back

[foggy saffron]

it says u mad sexy bro

[umbral reef]

😳

[tawny frigate]

i mean, once chillout vr has better servers for the surplus of people moving from vrchat, im sure that place will know how to actually listen to a community.

[idle mason]

Its time to touch grass people

[elder pulsar]

true it does say that

[onyx parcel]

it baffles my mind that people still dont see the bigger pictures 😂

[umbral reef]

There history has not been good at all with community stuff though
Not like the game has died 3 times before by now after getting a major influx of users

[tawny frigate]

alr neos then, idk ive already played it before and know a thing or two when it comes to creating things so it wont be that bad

[umbral reef]

Neos the crypto dev paradise (still a damn neat platform for sure, imo just not a social game. but if you want to create cool as fuck avatars and animations its the dream if you can get over the UI)

[foggy saffron]

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[solar jetty]

rec room is worse 😭😭
chilloutVR is where it's at

[cloud fox]

If accessibility is not achievable (by building accessibility into software or using a third-party solution that individuals with disabilities can access at nominal cost), then ACS providers must ensure that their products are compatible with existing peripheral devices or specialized equipment that can support ACS, unless not achievable. Entities that develop or publish video games that include ACS services that do not comply with the FCC rules governing accessibility may be subject to FCC enforcement actions initiated by the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau or in response to a consumer complaint

[clever stump]

... yeah I literally cannot post in general-1 and this channel is being completely ignored. this is useless

[elder pulsar]

😭

[tawny frigate]

idk, i just kinda agree with what vrchat modding groups post said about the "abusive relationship" between vrchat and the community, i mean hell. They milk us for our money with vrchat+, get mad when other people develop their game better than they can/will, and dont even enforce their own rules such as preventing children under the age of 13 flood the platform, just so their parents can buy them vrchat+ and feed vrchat more money. They only enforce the rules they want to.

[fiery thorn]

amogus

[cloud fox]

So yes 3rd party mods were saving VR chat from getting introuble from the FCC

[warped pagoda]

relax ur clients will be undetected within a few hours prob yall gotta chill and just play without your client for a bit stop whining its not the end of vrchat modding you think when rust,fortnite,dbd had eac introduced all the hackers went away? like no just wait for them to make it undetected👍

[minor bronze]

absolutely, they dont have the communities best interests in mind whenever they push an update

[clever stump]

I was subscribed for 10 straight months.

[umbral reef]

They enforce the rules if they get a report, its that simple.
They cant take actions on things they dont know. Almost everyone claiming reports dont work is too smoothbrained to grasp that sending in a email of 'Jimmy said X! Ban him' isnt proof to get someone banned

[onyx parcel]

bro your posting random stuff in here without sources, what are FCC and ASC anyway ? 🙃

[clever stump]

@sharp rose why am I prevented from speaking in the channel you are answering questions in when I literally joined to ask questions about my concerns? the timer has been on 1:55 since I joined like 10 minutes ago.

[umbral reef]

It for sure isnt and i bitched about it more then once- But they dont see it as a realistic option with how small there team is.
Id guess its because sitting in a game getting money waiting for crime to happen is leaps more expensive then handeling report tickets where they can solve problems and ban people quickly

@clever stumpRestart discord, this dumbass app is broken as fuck so thats prob why

[minor bronze]

wtf the fcc gotta do with vrc LMAO

[solar jetty]

FCC has a lot to do with
a lotta things
u would b suprised