vrchat-general-2

[acoustic maple]

I don't get why people think spamming copy pastes will help anything, let people give the devs genuine feedback rather than you making the channels unreadable right?

[white latch]

Make sure you 100% have a clean install, clear your cache, uninstall VRChat, check file integrity. If you're using a Quest w/ Virtual Desktop to play PCVR, open VRChat from Steam, not the Oculus PC app.

If you're still having issues submit it a help ticket to VRChat or ask in #user-support-old

[carmine cape]

What about OSC?

[worldly lion]

What’s that?

[mild pagoda]

I don't get what ls going on

[stone solar]

to be fair they said in their message that they understand they're stupid and pissing literally everyone off but have no plans to reverse it lol, so honestly the spamming of copypastas is just as helpful as anything else. they dont give a fuck if you want the update or not, you're getting it

[boreal marsh]

OSC requires Avatar-Software coordination and most probably isn't generally applicable

[ashen pier]

The TOS that was rarely enforced on these grounds (ie only in isolated cases)? Actions of ambivalence (they knew people were using mods for good purposes for years, and did nothing)? Sure, there was warning, but it was rather unclear and it didn't change the unpopularity of the policy

[acoustic maple]

Oh I didn't bother reading past the first two lines lol

[carmine cape]

It's the support way of send data in and out of vrchat, it's what my face tracking uses, haptics suits should work with it too

[humble cairn]

the new update made it where mod and client users cant use them and people are mad thats about it

[white latch]

Literally changes nothing, it was still against TOS, and they warned people several times that this would probably end up happening

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[mild pagoda]

Mods like force cloning and stuff

[urban mirage]

I just don’t understand why they weren’t working on any of these features if they have been planning this for a while? If someone at home can develop things like text to speech, clocks, etc for free on their own time surely the company making the game can do it? It just makes absolutely zero sense that this stuff isn’t in the game to begin with.

[vocal shard]

oh its chaos here too

[worldly lion]

Isn’t that technically blocked by EAC? Heard only stuff ran directly through steam will work

[stone solar]

"We are reprioritizing, reorganizing, and changing our internal development roadmap to focus on the feedback you've given us.

Let's follow that up with the hard part: we are going to be releasing this update, and we do not have plans or intent to revert or roll it back."

[vocal shard]

is there any real performance penalty from EAC like people are saying or is it all BS

[boreal marsh]

there's a difference between banning mods and installing malware on your PC

[vocal shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbEQiTdvA ima doing despicable 😉

[gilded token]

That does make sense. Kinda feel like they could have added that stuff earlier

[carmine cape]

Nope, it's a supported feature by the vrchat Devs

[ashen pier]

true, might as well dump garbage on the canny too, since they don't seem to take official feedback channels seriously! (sarcasm)

[left canyon]

isnt it funny how embeds completely broke..

[keen nest]

ok run down of my situation

game no longer works at all on my pc but does on my quest
but the game on quest looks ALOT worse than it did purely because of the eac overhead

[urban mirage]

Exactly. If they haven’t been working on these features then what the eff do they work on?

[white latch]

Seriously what does EAC do that could actually be considered malware. Malware is defined as something that actively is intrusive or harmful:

[zinc coyote]

whys there so much copy pasta?

[untold oyster]

apparently the devs hate us :)

[vocal shard]

ill try the game and see how it runs

[tacit wigeon]

fr, people making things up to fear-monger

[worldly lion]

Crashers are still gonna run wild and their losing a lot of their PC community so honestly it doesn’t fix anything

[chrome tide]

🤡🤡

[vocal shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbEQiTdvA

[ashen pier]

It has kernel access, and has been a vector for third-party attacks in the past

[opal cedar]

dont even open the game dont add active players to the list

[gilded token]

Thankfully they responded to the criticism, which makes me hopeful they will actually add the stuff. I've seen way worse companies, and I feel like contrary to what most are saying here, that the dev team will add those mods to the game

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[dusty sail]

definitely

[urban mirage]

Yeah that response is what got me kind of mad. They said they are just NOW moving people to these tasks because of the response

[jolly rampart]

Wait so what, are they banning you for uploading avatars??? What’s the deal with that since someone in my discord chat is saying stuff about that

[worldly lion]

I know this ain’t adding my TW mod and I’m in shambles

[worthy lintel]

no. all that is happening is that they are blocking modded clients

[gilded token]

Makes sense. For me i've grown up with Roblox, and seeing how the company handles most controversies, I'm glad the vrchat devs at least responded

[white latch]

Make sure you have your game 100% reinstalled, if you're using Quest Virtual Desktop for PCVR then open VRChat from Steam, not the Oculus PC app.

If you're still having issues submit a help ticket to VRChat or ask for help in #user-support-old

@ashen pier
For the most recent version of EAC? (Which they're using, it's not the same as the one Apex or Eldenring uses)
Please send me sources. The server might delete the links so DM me them.

[ornate shore]

gl to us non steam users :( no choice than to update it

[untold fable]

Vrchat u just messed me up man i was just chilling and using a mod just to put my legs down i was also using copy and paste that didnt hurt no one i also i was using A clock A GOD DAYM CLOCK how is that harming anyone

[violet ruin]

<@&397642795457970181> yall better look for another place to donate your time cause this place is going under

[lusty falcon]

Yeah apparently Vrchat is not going back on their plans. Time to move to a new game and wait to log in of and when this all blows over.

I chose chillout vr they are a lot like vrchat but the mods actually listen and if we all patreon to them they might be even better than vrchat
Hey I'm not saying leave completely but its a better option than waiting and doing nothing while this goes down especially for those who cannot play without mods. Many mods are already in chillout VRs menu.

I'm just really gonna miss my questie friends....

[vocal shard]

"Security update"
content creators are screwed
this is the worst decision i've ever seen for a social game like this

[left canyon]

vrchats life is currently on the line and im just watching lol

[dull vapor]

They should have implemented those changes FIRST before wiping everyone's option to have said QOL mods etc.

They haven't implemented them cause they take YEARS to make any productive changes. So wiping "competition" was their solution

[thin fjord]

Lmao someone just blocked me for saying to not let trollers get to you if people cant handle the internet why are they here 🤦‍♂️

[maiden canyon]

all my homies use vrs

[jolly rampart]

Ah so they’re just spreading misinformation, thank god. Making models is my hobby :(

[worthy lintel]

yeah

[regal veldt]

If they were smart they would do what Linden Labs did and allow 3rd party clients with support from the dev team.

[thick moat]

at this point im switching to horizon worlds. Oh yeah I cant because its 18+!

[white latch]

Of all the choices, you're thinking of Horizon as an alternative

[thick moat]

I know more I just used horizon worlds as an example

[thin fjord]

If yall see @dire cargo just know they think it’s unethical to ignore people who are trolling you

[obsidian cave]

neos vr and chilout vr are better options!!

[icy wharf]

has vrchat said anything about a timeline for implementing accessibility features?

[trim mason]

Nice, they did it anyway lol. thousands of people petitioning, they didn't give a fuck

[ornate shore]

If I play vr chat now, am I gonna get doxed or something

[gilded token]

only problem with chillout is you have to pay for full access, there isnt a huge community either

[bleak citrus]

L update

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[viral spire]

why would ANYONE want to go to horizon worlds, that's worse than rec room

[glacial oracle]

Jesus general 1 is chaos

[frank silo]

First I've heard of that. Full access for what?

[worldly lion]

CVR is dead asf hope this decision brings a playerbase there though happily would switch over. Neos is mainly furries so

[obsidian cave]

yea ikik- wait wtf theres a cooldown??? thats so dumb...

[night totem]

i want my mods back pls 🥺

[vocal shard]

this discord remind me of black cat-

[pine talon]

I think the community is making this situation worse. I know they should of implemented stuff beforehand or a offiacial mod loader. But, the community is the problem now by killing the game.

[ashen pier]

I'm empty handed as of now, I'm not sure how the current version addresses past security issues though (the odds of it being harmful to any particular user are likely quite low, but the risk is there)

[gilded token]

to the game. if you look at the steam page you need to pay for full access to the game. Not sure what it includes though

[queen sorrel]

it allways is when vrc dose somthing worng

[wild solstice]

its already at 1.2k players lmao

[regal veldt]

I installed Horizon Worlds and hopped in for 15 minutes, the 1st world had a giant group of preteens screeching in my ear. I immediately uninstalled it. lol

[thick moat]

I'm thinking of QUEST alternatives because neos and chillout are pc only. Also I only said horizon worlds as an example I know more alternatives to vrchat

[hearty beacon]

L vrchat fr

[thin fjord]

Ayo if you get it send it to me

[keen nest]

hahaha
no...

ive reinstalled everything to try to get a round of saying goodbyes in good clarity but the game straight up doesnt work for me at all on pc

gg devs

[white latch]

Yeah there's basically no quest alternative to VRChat and you will pretty much never see a quest alternative to VRChat because of the hate surrounding quest users, which is fair.

[queen sorrel]

not everyone is a fan of furrys idc aboud em but that means neos might not be the first choice

[glacial oracle]

I accidentally shadowbanned myself from my friend group cause I updated the game without thinking lol

[wild solstice]

you'd be better off with recroom

[frank silo]

I've checked the only difference is paying for the ability to upload more than 10 things and other similar stuff like that. Doesn't look like it affects much else

[tranquil swift]

bro how do yall have horizon

[ornate shore]

Vrchat was the best game for me in vr :( Goin back to the isle I guess

[worldly lion]

Nothing against them I just don’t share similar interests with them lol, would hate being out of place on a humanoid avi

[gilded token]

Ah. When i looked chillout looked really good, just needs more of a playerbase

[vocal shard]

whats the new update everyone hating on

[night totem]

[slow parrot]

boyycott

[white latch]

I am sure as hell not paying to upload more than 10 avatars in a game.

[ashen pier]

So much for an 18+ (or was it 13+?) service amirite...

[frosty aspen]

It’s way more chill here than general 1

[vocal shard]

my general is stuck at 41 %

[torpid elm]

Vrc was the first game I could talk to people and I met amazing people on there so I hope they fix it fast I love the game

[tranquil swift]

mine still says coming soon

[glacial oracle]

Something something “no more mods at all”

[jade solstice]

Rip vrc

[regal veldt]

you also get random banned from false flags and then it bricks your oculus lol

[worldly lion]

General 1 is chaotic

[vocal shard]

🍋 🍋 🍋 🍋 🍋

[thick moat]

its 18+ rn

[queen sorrel]

its 8+ i seen a 8 year old on here most seem to not be on rn

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[quaint bay]

y is there a 2 min cooldown for chat

[pine loom]

Hello @covert chasm . Since the announcement yesterday, we understand you have not read a SINGLE feedback from all of us regarding the 2022.2.2 VRChat update that integrates Easy Anti-Cheat.
Thank you for your patience as we quickly switch over to ChilloutVR.

• The VRChat Players

[white latch]

It adds anti-cheat to prevent modified clients. People are mad they can't use mods anymore. Some rightfully so as there was many accessibility mods for disabled users that aren't available by default in VRChat.

[ashen pier]

🤣

[frosty aspen]

Everyone spamming and very angry

[humble cairn]

tupper is pr not a dev they have no say lol

[thick moat]

My friend still plays vrc

[vocal shard]

lol pc players get mad when they cant flex the fact that they can swarm and float lol

[quaint bay]

whats with the long ass cooldown

[white latch]

And also you're not gonna get any response or be seen by pinging him on discord.

[frank silo]

Spam. What else.

[worldly lion]

I just want my controllers to vibrate when I touch something and my portable mirrors, never used much more than that

[ashen pier]

And given the PR messes that have ensued as of late, he might as well not be there at all 😆

[wind seal]

dogshit game

[vocal shard]

is anyonegonna ask them why the heII they havent reverted it yet?

[frosty aspen]

I have no opinion on if the update was bad or good.

[queen sorrel]

i dont think haptic feedback will work with this update

[terse solar]

Same

[fervent hedge]

the cvr server is exploding

[white latch]

Portable mirrors are planned, as said in the blogpost, also while REALLY not desirable, you can use the camera as an alternative mirror like I have been.

[regal veldt]

You know Genshin Impact dropped EAC after backlash. This tells me VRC is locked in to a contract with them now and cant afford to dump it.

[worldly lion]

They made an announcement they ain’t gonna lol

[ripe thorn]

i hate my life

[ashen pier]

Are people getting locked out for having steamvr mods/OVR Toolkit?

[humble cairn]

for sure i never seen him say any thing to any one i remember back in the day you would get kick for complaining or helping the devs with a way to fix something by him or the other pr teams

[vocal shard]

all the backlash

[frosty aspen]

This is very entertaining though ngl

[boreal marsh]

Yeah, the camera is really useful. Especially if you can just upsacle the local camera so its even more of a mir- Oh wait. That's a mod. Please take me to jail now

[glacial oracle]

It’s not just that all quality of life mods are banned and any mods disabled people needed to play the games are banned as well

[gilded token]

So? Tons of companies get hella backlash all the time. They don't change anything

[white latch]

I haven't heard of anyone getting locked out for using OVRToolkit.

[worldly lion]

Then u just get ppl constantly asking if I’m taking a picture lmaoo

[woven onyx]

Hey does anyone know here which chat i use to ask for commissions of 3d models?

[ashen pier]

Yeah that checks out. He may not be a dev, but he deserves this

[broken verge]

𝕴 𝖋𝖚𝖈𝖐𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖊 𝖛𝖗𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖙 𝖔𝖋 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖉𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖆𝖘𝖘 𝖔𝖋 𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖉𝖊𝖆 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖚𝖕𝖉𝖆𝖙𝖊

[slate trench]

well its good that all this drama happened now and not 3 years down the line. Now we have time to move to another game. It would be harder in 3 years

[vocal shard]

true

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[vocal shard]

ik im generalizing

[eternal breach]

Someone confirmed to me that ripping avis is still able to happen, but helpful mods aren't? 😵‍💫

[elder heron]

"Planned" expect to see it next year

[white latch]

Stop using fancy text fonts, screen readers cant read them.

[worldly lion]

Can’t wait to crash so much more now

[torpid elm]

Vrc needs to fix it quickly because of everything it’s going to make people very pissed

[robust tinsel]

ripping will almost always work because how vrchat's cache works.
also avatar crashing will still work.

[broken verge]

Ｉ ｆｕｃｋｉｎｇ ｈａｔｅ ｖｒｃｈａｔ ｏｆ ｔｈｉｓ ｄｕｍｂａｓｓ ｏｆ ａｎ ｉｄｅａ ｆｏｒ ａｎ ｕｐｄａｔｅ

[ashen pier]

Absolutely correct

[leaden edge]

Yeah but who really is that addicted to mirrors they need a portable one

[boreal marsh]

They calculated this. They weighed the risk and benefit. In their eyes, those despicable users are a stain on them and new users are plenty. Im just sad to have invested so much time into this game

[queen sorrel]

indeed

[elder heron]

Yes, ripping is done outside of the game. A lot of mods did make it easy to do in game. But its just the same program ran outside

[red wren]

I agree it needs to be fixed, but people legit are not giving them time to fix it. lol

[wind seal]

this update sucks

[fervent hedge]

go to chillout

[vocal shard]

exactly

[white latch]

You can never 100% stop model ripping in any game ever unless you were to make a game streamed from the cloud like fuckin Stadia, and I'm sure nobody wants that.

[regal veldt]

you dont need a client to even rip avi's, its more difficult without but all it takes is a simple youtube search to figure it out.

[ornate shore]

Poor fbt users 😭

[elder heron]

Point is all of this accessibility that they removed wont be added for a looooooooong time

[modern holly]

Noooo, they're gonna rip my Big Chungus avatars. Damn you, VRChat. Damn you all.

[robust tinsel]

**poor users 😭

[ashen pier]

Exactly. If they treat us as filth, we shall treat them thusly.

[humble cairn]

you cant stop it but u can make it way more difficult but thats not what vrc devs doing

[vocal shard]

facts

[wind seal]

L update

[white latch]

I can't wait for the majority of the people running towards ChilloutVR to run back to VRChat

[steel shell]

So are things like OpenVR space calibrator, OVR advanced settings, OVR toolkit, also no longer able to be used?

[leaden edge]

The only accessibility thing I see being needed is colourblind mode. And seems they will implement that fairly quickly

[split zinc]

You can still use those

[eternal breach]

I love vrc, but im going to miss my pc friends ngl

[mild pagoda]

If I get banned on pc and it's the same account I use on my quest...Will my quest be banned aswell

[vocal shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/123936675209412608/994406525214916689/help.mp4

[pliant bone]

Dude I need mods for my epilepsy problem

[queen sorrel]

if you got em on discord you good

[white latch]

They can make it more difficult all they want, but there will still be plenty of methods for people to rip models, it's not worth spending time to do because people are just gonna find out how to keep doing it anyway since it's REALLY easy.

[wind seal]

I think so

[ashen pier]

Just run to Neos, the world-building is great, and it's p2p based, so no need to fret about server overuse!

[urban mirage]

I don’t feel like eac will accomplish what they say it will, which makes me wonder if this is about something else entirely. Do they want to begin locking content down too and limiting what can be uploaded?

[torpid elm]

They should just kick everyone off just for the update then after its done they let everyone back on

[elder heron]

Things like help for hearing problems and epilepsy are important. And I just really want a moving menu. But even these are things they have said they will add for two years now. Where are they?

[timid hornet]

Y'all. Every avatar you've had, is easy to port to chillout VR. And the mods for that game actually care about us.

[split zinc]

I fail to understand why people are acting as if this is the end of the game when in reality it inst at all

[robust tinsel]

the EAC doesn't affect ripping models using outside means at all, maybe client based ones, but it don't affect much

[eternal breach]

All of em are switching to Neo and the other new one sadly, its just not the same haha (pc only games)

[white latch]

As a creator who has attempted to use NEOs I would rather off myself.

[slow sapphire]

make vr chat great again

[night totem]

neo is trash

[queen sorrel]

oof

[regal veldt]

What is Neo?

[cold cove]

!online

[ashen pier]

Yes. plus selling QoL features

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[vocal shard]

!online

[timid hornet]

When more than 80% of a user base has left the game, it's over. Most of the users are now on cvr

[elder heron]

Chillout is much nicer

[umbral barn]

i rage quit out of neos in 15 mins due to the backwardness of its creation tools

[thick root]

I can’t even load VRChat up anymore

[split zinc]

Mod users really thinking they make up the majority of the vrc communiuty?

[reef jay]

They do

[steel shell]

@sharp rose Others have answered but I want to be certain are things like OpenVR space calibrator, OVR advanced settings, OVR toolkit, able to be used without getting banned?

[white latch]

ChilloutVR is also terrible for creators :/

[urban mirage]

Ugh selling QOL features. That is 100% what this will be about. Eff

[queen sorrel]

that or neos but cvr has a better chance

[robust tinsel]

They do make up the majority of the PC userbase from what I have seen.
Almost 100% of my friends use a client or mods.

[gilded token]

wonder how long that will last until the servers explode

[cold cove]

I feel like im in China my man : )

[exotic flicker]

it would be very easy to roll back this update, and very hard to remake every feature that users want

[ashen pier]

No one really knows, since the mod community has always been partially buried

[timid hornet]

Because they do, there was 25k people on two nights ago and now it's down to 5k online

[worn oar]

they broke vrchat bro, for PC players

[vocal shard]

!online

[regal veldt]

outside quest users almost every one I run in to on PC used a mod of some kind.

[white latch]

No it isn't?… where are you getting this number from?

[elder heron]

Converting my creations has been ez pz so far. Lets see how it is when I do sumthin new

[ripe thorn]

no they cant everyone's crazy and is harassing the devs

[orchid orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/sending-good-vibes-think-mind-good-day-positive-gif-16782543

[split zinc]

That could be due to many other reasons rather than this, and where the hell u even getting that number lmfao

[jovial kestrel]

Those things modify or interact with SteamVR, not VRChat. They are fine to use.

[gilded token]

I mean when they expand to the size of the vrchat community

[forest rivet]

Thank God I can still rip avatars 🙏🙏🙏

[ashen pier]

+100 social credits. You are a good and upstanding citizen

[timid hornet]

It's a webpage addon. Not to mention I've done about thirteen hours of research into the issue. But hey. Mansplain again for yourself.

[blissful vale]

🍋

[leaden edge]

Epilepsy is an iffy one. They have safety settings and personal space settings for things like that. I feel most epileptic people know what they are getting themselves into by strapping tvs to their eyes.

As for the hearing one CC's for movies should be implemented by movie world creators. A CC for people talking I doubt exists and if it does it isnt great so hard to see vrc implement this anytime soon if they do. Big companies like Adobe struggle to make good voice to text recognition with multiple voices going at the same time.

[cold cove]

Red sun in the sky playing in the background

[steel shell]

Alright, thanks so much for the quick answer!

[versed kraken]

Gtfo

[vocal shard]

is vrc safe to go inside of?

[regal veldt]

I dont even understand why some one with epilepsy would even risk playing any videogame.

[still garnet]

hahahah timed out for a hour

[ripe thorn]

yeah its fine

[urban mirage]

A cc for people talking exists as does text to speech

[ashen pier]

not without protection

[elder heron]

Nah I don't even mean CC. I have a few friends that need to turn down their voice radius because they litterally cannot talk to you with that many voices. And its not a volume thing

[vale beacon]

🟥Very Negative (22% of reviews in the last 30 days are Positive)

[pine bloom]

I can no longer log in from the site itself so that sucks

[white latch]

Yeah? People are being dumb and fearmongering

[split zinc]

All im seeing is a bunch of disgusting behaivour from the community, tbf Vrchat could do without the likes of you would be glad to see you all leave

[regal veldt]

oh man ChilloutVR site is getting slammed. I cant create an account lol

[vapid mango]

@covert chasm

[vocal shard]

a lot of people saying there hackers

[still garnet]

you gonna get muted for a hour

[blissful vale]

🍋 The harvest is plentiful this season

[leaden edge]

Id have to see it working to cast judgement on it. I know text to speech exists and works fairly well with just one person talking. Soon as you have a room of like 3 or more people talking programs can get confused on who is talking

[robust tinsel]

why do you keep saying this over and over?

[vale beacon]

We're almost at Overwhelmingly Negative territory.

[white latch]

Stick to friends only worlds if you're so concerned.

[boreal marsh]

anyone remember when youtube-dl was out of date in vrchat? Didnt a mod fix that quicker than vrc. Cant imagine how evil those people are, much malicious

[ripe thorn]

of course there is its vrchat

[wind sorrel]

just add steam workshop mods so no malicious mods get used but still allows mods to be made and uploaded ez

[shell flare]

**EAC ain't gonna stop people from crashing you 😂 **

[wind condor]

is anyone getting major desync to? I was kicked from my own event multiple times lmao

[wind seal]

lol

[blissful vale]

🍋 Because The harvest is plentiful this season

[vocal shard]

what type of protection?

[thin fjord]

Dear VRC team
I would like to say that what you have done can be brought to court per the ADA act of 1973 you are taking away accessibility you refuse to put in the game yourself. If not resolved you could be sued for this its not something that you can brush off you took away accessibility with the CEO and co-founder being based in Texas this is going off of the American ADA act

[ashen pier]

All they can really do is yoink your IP, avatar, and ability to run the game... (/lh)

[regal veldt]

what about the PUG and popular drinking game rooms?

[robust tinsel]

What do you mean by that?

[vale beacon]

And it won't stop people from ripping avatars either.

[burnt kestrel]

I do go outside just this was a fun way to get a break

[split zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[ripe thorn]

okay what in the fuck is wrong with you

[white latch]

Yes! This is why the safety settings exist, which prevents avatar crashers. I haven't been crashed by an avatar in two years

@vale beacon it'll stop most client based avatar rippers, as I've said million times before you can never stop model ripping in games unless you make the game cloud based like Stadia, which I'm sure nobody wants

[regal veldt]

can you DM me the video/stream?

[languid tendon]

The VRChat creators are gonna loose all there money

[ashen pier]

It was a joke, sorry

[thin fjord]

Im not wrong. It is against the law

[vocal shard]

idk lol

[left canyon]

chat scrolling so fast you wont notice me crying

[tight radish]

Remove the spyware

[gilded token]

Not sure if it is true, but I heard some mods were not affected

[last heath]

.....

[robust tinsel]

Not too fast, why you cry :(((

[white latch]

They've explicitly stated they are planning to roll in more accessibility features, if you have ideas, go to the VRChat feedback website to vote and request on features that should be added.

[vocal shard]

time to make some hackers mad and find out there search history in vrc

[ashen pier]

I'd be surprised to find someone who isn't rn

[vale beacon]

Fair point about the safety settings, but why force players to do that manually anyway?

[tight radish]

I notice you🙏

[split zinc]

Exactly, I dont use shield settings at all and in my 1600 hrs of vrc I rarely get crashed, I frequent worlds people say crashers thrive in but it rarely happens

[blissful vale]

🍋

[gilded token]

Have you tried?

[left canyon]

im just crying (kinda) cause my quality of life mods are gone

[robust tinsel]

even though i don't agree with EAC, it isn't against the law for a game to do this

[brazen basin]

btw is chillouts servers down lol

[vocal shard]

The actual issue of concern is VRC not having accessibility tools already in place before banning mods. Imo its the only thing they legitimately deserve to get dragged for.

[white latch]

Definitely this

[vast stag]

Just know Tupper this is illegal……..

[lethal trench]

Don't worry guys I made a guide to uninstalling vrchat in #vrchat-videos just so everyone knows how to do it.

[dusky mica]

Bro thats not the point you missed it big dawg

[dry marsh]

chillout's account creation website went down because it has over 10k users at it's peak XD thats just the account manager/creation site

[split zinc]

Christ alive, get over urself lmao

[leaden edge]

Lmao it isnt. You agree to VRC's tos to not use modded clients. Vrc finally enforcing it with eac. How is enforcing their tos against the law?

[forest rivet]

The people who think this it's illegal to ban 3rd party modifications are making me chortle so hard
Yallve never read an eula in your life

[white latch]

They don't allow any links in the general chats buddy. There's literally an entire channel called #feature-requests that links to the website.

[ashen pier]

What are you running on? a Cray supercomputer?
(then again most crashers can be kneecapped by turning off custom animations)

[robust tinsel]

dude literally said "oh no this game taking away mods is illegal", it's not.
I don't like it either but they can do it.
The ADA is for workplaces not making things accessible, not a video game.

[languid tendon]

If I was a mod I honestly would stop the update.

[vast stag]

It is and he will deal with the consequences real soon trust me

[weary edge]

VRC i hope your inverters love hearing that mass amount of people are leaving and canceling there subscriptions

[tight radish]

I think making the game run at a snail speed is also a bit reason to drag em.

[compact shuttle]

People who talk like this be warned to stay away from their goofy ah uncles

[vocal shard]

Yep thats just copium

[coarse marsh]

So can you get banned for using virtual desktop without link cable? I can’t use a link cable because my laptop doesn’t support it :((

[humble cairn]

no he wont he is pr not a dev

[left canyon]

it was a good run boys and girls.. but every good thing has to come to an end, and that is exactly what's happening.. unless we figure out an actual way to work together and make everyone happy and stop being childish, honestly me i'm just watchin this with some popcorn

[gilded token]

No, it just won't work

[split zinc]

1080ti with a ryzen 5 3600, what are you lo running on to crash so easy? windows xp?

[vale beacon]

I mean... My accessibility mods are gone, which sucks since the game is now unplayable for me. But hey, just means that VRChat won't be getting the money I was going to give them. Oh well, no big deal for me.

[leaden edge]

Lemme know when the lawsuit happens I will sit back with popcorn laughing at how stupid it is thinking its illegal

[white latch]

No you can't. The EAC doesn't ban you, it just gives you an error if you open the game with modified clients. And if you use virtual desktop, you need to open VRChat from Steam, not Oculus due to how Virtual Desktop works with Oculus app.

[vast stag]

That’s why it’s illegal

[vocal shard]

time to be dispicable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbEQiTdvA

[boreal marsh]

EAC gets implemented
Suddenly everyone a lawyer

[modern holly]

I bet VRC is bawling right now that they're not getting your $10

[sonic bough]

Virtual Desktop Users: Using the Oculus PC version of VRChat via Virtual Desktop no longer works, as it utilizes DLL injection which is blocked by EAC. Please use Oculus AirLink or the Virtual Desktop with the Steam version of VRChat instead!

[robust tinsel]

The ADA is only for employers.
It's not a law affecting video games.
Learn to read.

[thin fjord]

No i mean the not including accessibility and then taking it from people after they put it in the game

[vast stag]

You’ll see

[empty anchor]

can 2022 get more bad

[left canyon]

it was a good run boys and girls.. but every good thing has to come to an end, and that is exactly what's happening.. unless we figure out an actual way to work together and make everyone happy and stop being childish, Listen we have a chance we just aren't taking it

[urban mirage]

They thought about this right? In what universe is this worth it?

[tight radish]

Lawyering = dumb
Dragging the devs through mud for being dumb = based

[ashen pier]

EAC seems to have a habit of softlocking VRC (as I've read), so worst case scenario it's a hardware ban

[humble cairn]

they never put it in the game

[leaden edge]

They arent targetting the disabled they are simply enforcing their tos. I dont see how thats so hard to understand

[compact shuttle]

Ask yourself. Does epic own every single game company? No. Then it can Obviously get worse.

[regal folio]

How's the sole taste

[blissful vale]

🍋

[vocal shard]

Bruh my keyboard software doesn't work anymore even tho it is sepcifically designed for my keyboard. I had specific keybinds for my keyboard on VRC

[ember glade]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-sweating-sweat-sweaty-gif-21722513

[languid tendon]

They’re kinda handling this like children on the playground.

[white latch]

99% of the time it's because people haven't done a full clean reinstall of VRChat or are trying to open VRChat from the oculus PC app using Virtual Desktop

[urban mirage]

Who are they hurting other than the disabled players? People who want to hack can get around eac yesterday

[empty anchor]

imagine if EA and EPIC teamed together and bought all the games

[split zinc]

All this community outrage has shown me is how utterly pathetic and toxic this part of the community is, I think we would all happily wave you goodbye

[robust tinsel]

How is being mad about a change in the game that negatively affects the playerbase "pathetic and toxic"?
Only part I can agree for being toxic/pathetic are the harassers and the doxers.

[limpid imp]

agreed

[vale beacon]

The "All reviews" score is down 9 percentage points in two days. (89 >>> 80). Holy heck that's a lot of reviews.

[left canyon]

this is exactly what i mean we have a chance to still play the game but no one is taking it, personally i use mods quality of life mods

[white latch]

Literally open the feature request category on the feedback website. Look in the description of #feature-requests it literally links you exactly to the website. Use the search bar to find specific posts.

[blissful vale]

🍋

[compact shuttle]

I think this needs to be pinned. But Rockstar games is looking hell of a lot better than the VR CHAT team and yet they dont have Anticheat on a dangerous service that actually needs it

[slate oar]

want elaboration on this too

[split zinc]

Mate, take a step back and just look at the behaiviour thats being displayed

[tight radish]

"you.. Left wing leaning parasite! You expect me to sit here and listen to your drivel"
-Cole Phelps.

[white latch]

Honestly 90% of these people will probably be back within a week, I guarantee.

[weak breach]

anyone else having issues with vrchat loading very slow and it saying you have things installed when you only have the base install active?

[regal veldt]

ok, I WILL defend them on this but Rockstar is a multi billion dollar company with hundreds of developers and support staff lol EAC is still terrible and should not be used.

[pulsar dawn]

Did you guys see SOG’s video on the subject yet?

[tiny plaza]

Is it safe to go on vrc atm?

[boreal marsh]

peer pressure is really a wonderful thing

[robust tinsel]

I did, and I am.
I denounce the doxers and the harassers, yet I fail to see how the rest of the people complaining is somehow bad.

[shy fern]

It said i had a untrusted file even though i deleted my mod applications last night

[left canyon]

not yet

[dull vapor]

2 weeks ago vrchat posted a LinkedIn job looking for a senior compliances operations manager with experience in crypto and in game currencies. This heavily suggests that Vrchat banned mods only to turn around so they can monetize them

[limpid imp]

they are pushing pc players to not want to play anymore, the camera is quest only

[languid tendon]

Just think about all the people in the world who are VTubers and streamers. How are they gonna be able to use your platform properly again? It just doesn’t make sense. You’re losing clicks, views and players.

[ashen pier]

And hatch their own NFT scams

[white latch]

Do a clean reinstall of the game, clear your cache, uninstall, reinstall, verify game integrity.

If you're using Quest virtual desktop, open VRChat from SteamVR instead of Oculus PC app or it'll give you an error.

[weak breach]

I haven't even used mods, it's saying i have untrusted applications running in the background. Unless discord or steam aren't aloud I don't 💀

[tiny plaza]

I don't have mods, what happens if i get on

[maiden canyon]

soft lock

[urban mirage]

This is what i came here looking for thanks

[left canyon]

the entire game is currently broken it just wont work

[dull vapor]

exactly

[barren leaf]

The only problems I see have to do with quest and people with disabilities. Other than that, there isn't too much wrong going on

[shy fern]

i dont know either lol so i just uninstalled it

[limpid imp]

they took a mod feature and turned it into an official feature then proceeded to make it only for quest users

[ashen pier]

Windows

[weak breach]

what feature?

[tiny plaza]

I heard about some kinda hacker that can perma take your account

[white latch]

They've literally stated previously they aren't adding NFTs, and even if they did NFTs, it wouldn't be allowed according to Steam's policies.

[maiden canyon]

vrs gang

[digital inlet]

Chill out VR already got 10k new accounts

[dull vapor]

its the sad reality :/

[leaden edge]

LMAO and you believe that?

[humble cairn]

what feature ?

[languid tendon]

L VRChat

[limpid imp]

the camera feature

[left canyon]

not true if they took it i idk if it would even mean anything

[shy fern]

i cant even get into the site lol

[tiny plaza]

Many people of tt say that

[split zinc]

Dont have an issue with the valid criticism but the awful behaiviour thats being displayed far outweighs any of that

[dusky mica]

Yeah it's true there ripping ips crashing people and stealing hella personal info 💀💀😭

[white latch]

False, somebody can't take your account unless they have your login information. Make sure you have a secure password and are using 2FA

@limpid imp what are you talking about, the camera still exists on PC lmao.

[weak breach]

there are cameras normally in vrchat though?

[vagrant crag]

and all they can do is literally silence us for a few minutes. we will not stay silent no wonder what happens. i swear to god this is out of hand and we need to protest. idc if they’re like “hehe! yeah. we hear. we don’t care tho go f*^c-k yourselves. smh. thought these people cared, pushing out this update was like their biggest mistake. if we stopped playing altogether they will maybe remove the EAC. i refuse to open up vrchat once more before they fix this damn problem. this is too much of an issue, y’all see these and i know you do. so just stop not listening to us, we’re tired of your b^v^u^II^sh!+. how does it feel knowing you devs will not get even a quarter of the money you used to get? @covert chasm you need to get your ceo here and or let him know of this f_uvu(king situation. you should definetely reverse your update and stop whatever you’ve done. i for sure will be figuring out the best way for me to cancel my subscription. i advise you all follow me and cancel yours aswell.

[leaden edge]

No one has ever been able to take your account. Unless you sign up to dodging websites with same username and password

[limpid imp]

they dont, im on pc and I cant use a camera

[left canyon]

i feel you should just wait and while your waiting play neo's vr or chillout vr

[vital marsh]

@wheat cedar its not better over here either

[finite abyss]

Bro i cant watch any movies on quest

[dusky mica]

2FA is butt cheeks it doesn't stop shit lol

[robust tinsel]

Sure, I can agree that the awful behavior shouldn't be happening, but still, people do have a right to be angry and express their opinions about changes that negatively affect them.

[white latch]

Buddy, the camera is only available for VR users.

You have literally NEVER been able to use the camera in desktop mode.

[round wigeon]

why you crying over a vr game

[split zinc]

Like cmon this is kinda silly, just kind of acting like its the end of the world or something

[lime fulcrum]

Big F for vrc

[dull vapor]

2 weeks ago vrchat posted a LinkedIn job looking for a senior compliances operations manager with experience in crypto and in game currencies. This heavily suggests that Vrchat banned mods only to turn around so they can monetize them

[limpid imp]

I just fucking said we cant use it on pc- that was my entire point that they made it vr only

[stiff pine]

Dude chill

[next cave]

Microtransactions In Vrc

[ashen pier]

That is where this is headed

[finite abyss]

Rec room vrc

[left canyon]

its a great game now there's so called hackers no quality of life mods the game isnt worth it anymore

[leaden edge]

Its called taking a screenshot.

[humble cairn]

its always been only for vr lol u can screenshot lol

[white latch]

Explanations and sources please.

@limpid imp You originally said quest though, you understand that VRChat is primarily meant for VR right.

[split zinc]

Well yeah, I didnt say they couldnt

[azure flare]

Is anyone else on quest having trouble loading videos in movie and chill or LS after this update came out??

[limpid imp]

taking a screenshot isnt the same as taking pictures

[maiden canyon]

does anyone play helios

[vocal shard]

This might be a hot take, but I sort of think that VRChat stopped caring heavily about their PCVR players since Meta gave them $80 million dollars

[finite abyss]

Yes me too

[left canyon]

it sees that as something suspicious

[robust tinsel]

Okay, cool. Guess we agree there then.
Both agree people should be able to express their anger, but a lot of people are doing it in a completely immature way, thus making the whole 'BoycottVRC" movement a bit immature looking in itself.

[dusky mica]

I am a source I wouldn't go around spreading lies lol I mean hey look at your dms >3

[ivory heron]

anybody like cheese like i do?

[strange topaz]

I actually just ate some cheese

[slate oar]

honestly more important than vrchat anti cheat https://twitter.com/Roblox/status/1552037832578846720 (im kidding btw)

[azure flare]

Even when untrusted urls are on?

[ashen pier]

I like cheese when it isn't the basis for a security architecture

[vital sparrow]

“Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently.” – Henry Ford

[mild hawk]

They need more of the monayzzzzz

[left canyon]

ofc Eac is just bad

[maiden canyon]

i just want to play like vrs w ppl a

[split zinc]

Its all just silliness to me

[vocal shard]

oh my god get a life

[white latch]

If you're a source, give me a detailed explanation on why and how 2FA doesn't work, otherwise I'm obviously not gonna believe you.

[ivory heron]

oouu what kinda cheese?

[plain lion]

It’s possible or it could also be that this is a way to obtain more funds beyond what they were given by creating more development opportunities but I mean it’s just an idea I’m not saying it’s what they’re doing just how I look at it it’s stupid but people are out for money at this point vrchat been in beta stage how long now?

[spiral lichen]

lol ummm yes it does

[dusky mica]

. . . Wha- I need you to think trust a little brain power always does the job ngl

[split zinc]

I mean being that those movies/ shows are illegally streamed, yeah

[vocal shard]

True. I don't think people are taking into account the investors, though. This had to have investor influence. Their income isn't really coming from VRC+.. I don't think people understand that.

[tired oak]

I dont see my controllers when starting vrchat only an arrow can someone help?

[humble cairn]

did this person really just complain you cant use the camera on desktop when u could never take the camera out its a vr only thing are you going to complain that u cant use your hands next

[brittle token]

i also would like to know what kind of cheese

[ionic hatch]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYnzTGTWQAA5agL?format=jpg&name=medium

[white latch]

Ight, then I don't believe you. I'm not gonna listen to someone who can't even give an proper explanation or backup what they say with sources. I'd be stupid to believe someone blindly lmao.

[ivory heron]

anyone wanna play valorant?

[plain lion]

And investors are a big portion of what influences what they can and can’t do to be honest just cause fans demand and pay doesn’t mean they can invest what the people that invest in the project

[sick rock]

!online

[robust tinsel]

what do you mean by that?

[urban mirage]

They’re going to introduce a currency and a store before we get accessibility I guarantee it

[indigo prairie]

Big f

[vital marsh]

this is my favorite message so far

[ashen pier]

this

[split zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/606497915287896076/977622661654020116/caption-17.gif

[vocal shard]

Yup. It's so so sad that people don't understand that lol. There is nothing this community can do about it. No matter how hard we try.

source: trust me bro

[ivory heron]

yeeesssirrrrr

[blissful phoenix]

@covert chasm I think you guys put EAC to make people crash other people instead of stopping crash c:

[indigo prairie]

Massive L, worst update known to man

[compact bluff]

Loud noises

[rancid rampart]

vrc just fucked them self with this update

[plain lion]

It is but it’s human nature as well we’ve all gotten use to what made vrchat easier and better to run it’s hard having it just nullified in an instance

[analog rapids]

dis·​ap·​point·​ment | \ ˌdis-ə-ˈpȯint-mənt
Definition of disappointment
1: the act or an instance of disappointing : the state or emotion of being disappointed

[vocal shard]

I get that.

[vital marsh]

riots anti cheat works better

[echo widget]

can we still use OVR real quesyion

[supple mountain]

is it calmer here?

[quartz sable]

🤓

[split zinc]

yes

[upbeat dew]

This was true without kernel access, and EAC isn't likely to have bugs like this. Spreading FUD and misinformation is not helpful.

[ashen pier]

hopefully, if it wasn't calmer I'd be worried!

[robust tinsel]

Well, honestly, communities can do a lot of things. They can reverse major changes by threatening the large amount of the player-base from not playing anymore.
Investors don't really want to invest into a sinking ship, now do they?
Will anything change substantially even if people leave en masse? Maybe. Just matters how the investors respond to the platform losing players like a sinking ship bringing on water.

[pine thorn]

Y’all are way to smart for me

[lime jacinth]

but your literally in here with the rest of us

[vocal shard]

Most of the people in this specific chat look like VR Enthusiasts. I would cut down on the assumptions.

[dusky mica]

lol all they need is a name DOB and a couple other stuff and they can just call up the specified carrier if said mobile device and get a copied sim card l and then thats it they have contacs 2FA and other stuff lmfao ( all from vrc btw )

[indigo prairie]

Shitty update

[upbeat dew]

Just don't use SMS based 2FA...

[vocal shard]

Does virtual desktop still work guys?? thats the only way i could play VRchat

[plain lion]

Should

[ashen pier]

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you.

[cedar mist]

The mods removal may just be to remove the future "Remove Ads Mod" bet

[edgy pumice]

Bs, it crashes me

[white latch]

So, what you're saying is that this doesn't even work if you don't have the number of the person you're trying to hack or if they use a 2FA app or instead of text messages. Fucking lmao.

[supple mountain]

so can anyone tell me calmly why are people mad about them adding an anti-chat

[split zinc]

Yes with the steamvr version

[vocal shard]

Read #announcements at the bottom.

[plain lion]

Y’all are a lot more chill then the first chat they’re going nuts

[dusky mica]

I know but some people aren't that smart and I guarantee that's over half the player base if so

[ashen pier]

yes
and anti-rentseeking mod

[bleak tide]

eac destroyed mods which made the game more accessible, and removed defence vs crasher skins

[plush ember]

Removes modded clients/mods that enable comfort options, stuff for people with disabilities, IK improvements and etc. Basically fucks a major portion of the game.

[spiral lichen]

Yes... using SMS multifactor is not recommended.. That is why you use an authenticator. But that is going to take a dedicated hacker. To go around saying 2FA is "Buttcheeks" is so misinformed lol

[indigo marsh]

sounds like they're vastly over simplifying social engineering and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about

[supple mountain]

why isn't that built in to the base game?

[lime jacinth]

the eac easy anti cheat fuck with the mods that alot of us mods we use for comfort and people with disabilities and removing that away from us least thats one of the reasons

[upbeat dew]

Yeah, and SMS based 2FA is just easier to set up and use. I still use it even though I know it's awful.

[white latch]

Yeah I already figured they didn't know what the hell they were talking about

[dusky mica]

Never said I was lol what I was saying is its unreliable . .

[spiral lichen]

It is much better than nothing

[shell cape]

Did everything get slow moded?

[pine thorn]

This update has made all hell break loose lol

[ivory heron]

nah but im deadass serious about valorant. whos up for it?

[vocal shard]

chilloutvr bois less goooo

[plain lion]

Yea cause of people freaking out

[queen sorrel]

vrc is eating 6 gigs of ram

[white latch]

It always has

[vocal shard]

This update didn't affect me because I just use virtual desktop on Quest 2 with no mods, but its sad to see how its affected those who need mods to use the game.

[supple mountain]

nom nom

[bleak tide]

cvr server is crashing from demand

[ashen pier]

Everything was slowed from the get-go; at least this isn't #vrchat-general-1

[dusky mica]

Yeah I get you xD

[bold flame]

are you able to get chill out vr on quest 2 😭

[chilly condor]

no

[queen sorrel]

just saying

[plain lion]

That place is nuts mate

[robust tinsel]

The large amount of people angry about people adding an anti cheat is due to a few reasons:

1. Mods that make things accessible are no longer allowed
2. Mods that help people with bad performance are gone
3. Mods that stop people from crashing are gone
4. You have to download EAC, which some people claim is spyware

Simply, people who play the game with mods, so, a large amount of PC players are mad due to their accessibility, anti-crashing, and performance mods from working in the name of "security" yet it doesn't actually stop crashers or avatar rippers.

Also, you get a performance drop because of EAC. Fun.

[misty onyx]

Whelp, lagging on a less likely to lag world, already a negative on the update for me.

[indigo marsh]

it would take a lot of skill and effort to socially engineer a phone number takeover unless you're dealing with a dope that is prone to phishing, if you're handling government secrets then maybe don't use SMS 2FA, other than that - it's perfectly secure

[humble cairn]

no noes and chill out is onlly pc

[compact shuttle]

VR Chat is so fucked even Griefer Jesus can't save it

[rancid rampart]

lmao

[torpid jolt]

neos support body tracking and vr

[white latch]

My only main concern is the people with disabilities who used accessibility mods. VRChat should've really added them before this, but hey, at least this lit a fire under their ass to get on it, considering they're supposedly taking away development focus from other features to get accessibility in.

[bold flame]

it said it was vr compatible shooot

[ivory heron]

message me if youre down for valorant 🥺

[plush ember]

VRC devs moment.

[visual crest]

This game is going into the ground now. You guys lost hundreds and thousands of people. Clearly yall don't even play the game or you would of known this update was a bad idea

[plain lion]

And that’s the main thing at least now they have to divert things in that direction asap

[dull vapor]

2 weeks ago vrchat posted a LinkedIn job looking for a senior compliances operations manager with experience in crypto and in game currencies. This heavily suggests that Vrchat banned mods only to turn around so they can monetize them

[robust tinsel]

proof?

[humble cairn]

vr as in pc vr not quest sadly

[vocal shard]

yes fair point. I do think that they messed up with this update because it ruins basic mods that are more quality of life than anything. But at the same time I still absolutely love this game and it has made me tons of new friendships so Im not giving up on it

[spiral lichen]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charliefink/2021/07/01/this-week-in-xr-the-metaverse-speaks-meta-eft-80m-for-vr-chat-jigspace-wxr-funded/?sh=737335653a10

[supple mountain]

what does EAC do for vrchat? what classifies as cheating?

[visual crest]

Dog water

[leaden edge]

Thats very specific but. I feel like if someone is going to those lengths they dont just want your account and isnt happening on a large scale.

[dense birch]

It makes all modifications to the game illegal. even the good ones

[white latch]

People keep spamming this but don't realize VRChat literally can't add crypto bullshit without getting kicked off of Steam cause it's against Steam's policies lmao.

[robust tinsel]

Unauthorized mods (so any modification except steam ones like OVR or Playspace Mover) and clients. OVR and Playspace mover are said not to be banned, but some people report they do not work anymore.

[spiral lichen]

this is old but perhaps relevant? ^

[indigo marsh]

ay a girls und panzer chad

[plush ember]

Honestly, it's just to get files that are not officially in by VRchat off of it. That's it. Nothing else, hackers/crashers or whatever will bypass this in probably a day or 2, maybe in a couple of hours.

[bleak tide]

already have

[pine thorn]

Lol wow

[vocal shard]

They did yesterday

[snow elm]

Yeah. All they did was use the same bypass for the EAC mods

[dusky mica]

But what I'm saying is it dosnt take a lot to do and most accounts aren't secure like that so I mean it's easily the most accessible thing too them that's what I mean 😭

[lunar imp]

What’s happening with vrc? It doesn’t let me open the game on pc. Is there a new way of opening it?

[plain lion]

Which by alrights in its own way wasn’t allowed but wasn’t Inforced either cause it never caused problems but as investors find that more people are using these items in a negative way they decided that it was more likely best to not allow it till they can fully control what can be allowed and not allowed through vrchat itself and not a third party

[indigo marsh]

it does take a lot to do, unless you manage to ensnare them in a phishing attack.

[supple mountain]

run

[snow elm]

EAC fucked it

[leaden edge]

I dunno about easy still seems like alot of work, but I guess anything can be worked around if someone really wanted to.

[lunar imp]

Well yeah they fucked it up, it’s basically useless for some people

[white latch]

Uninstall VRChat and reinstall it, if you're using Quest Virtual Desktop for PCVR, open VRChat from Steam instead of the Oculus PC app.

If you're still having issues, submit a help ticket to VRChat or ask for further help in #user-support-old

[harsh salmon]

Wait till August when most VRC+ subscriptions end

[vocal shard]

Mudahar made a good video on the update

[spiral lichen]

This ^

[bleak tide]

my steam app version is broke lol. OMG the slo mo

[lofty dragon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901134308146839602/1001679761497661513/unknown.png?width=764&height=468

[mild kernel]

vrchats safe right?

[robust tinsel]

Well yeah, it was a rule, but never enforced. Now, it's enforced due to a program enforcing it.
Personally, I can't really get into the head of the developers and think what made them do this.
Speculating though, I think they're banning all these 3rd party modifications so they can introduces features from said modifications as paid features.
Just conjecture though, I have no way to prove this.

[lunar imp]

I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and checked all my files on it, but it’s just not usable at this point, it won’t open at all no matter how many times I reinstall it and check if all the files are alright. Basically made the game unusable for some people

[indigo marsh]

honestly socially engineering will only work in specific situations anyway, in order to transfer a mobile number you need access to said number to essentially send a text and receive a unique identifier which you can then pass on to a new carrier. it really is just such a difficult task that you're looking at international level hackers who can pull it off, and i promise you those people don't want your vrchat account.

[humble cairn]

you have to uninstall and reset your pc to fix things like most programs

[plain lion]

It’s more then likely the direction they want to take it honestly only they know

[mild kernel]

how?

[white latch]

Clear your cache and verify file integrity?

[rancid rampart]

I hope they realize that they fucked up and revert back to when there was no eac. me and a fuckton of people are unable play now for many differ reasons

[pliant orchid]

balls

[mild kernel]

so friends + worlds are fine and shit

[queen sorrel]

i have yet to run into onw i ben world hoping

[robust tinsel]

Indeed. I personally don't agree with the ban, but I understand why they did it.
Hopefully that's not the direction they are taking it.
In the end, this doesn't fix a majority of their issues with hackers, rippers and crashers though sadly.

[humble cairn]

pubs have always not been safe

[strange topaz]

Long Colby jack

[plain lion]

They stated in the patch update that they don’t intend to if I remember correctly

[zinc bay]

This fucking sucks, fps was an issue with vrc with me but when I had mods it let me have better optimization with better Post Processing.

[brittle token]

pog

[rancid rampart]

Im unable to play due to the eoc banning my mods which I need

[worthy helm]

I played for a bit tonight and ran into zero issues, yall doomers need to chill

[sudden ermine]

umm anyone else not able to load the game?

[queen sorrel]

im in a pub pug

[sudden ermine]

i get this 0000142 error what ever that is

[worthy helm]

I was in the black cat?

[strange topaz]

It means that you don't matter to the developers

[plain lion]

That it does it just means people will for now have to deal with out the optimizations that they are use to that made things better for them honestly everything was fine for me I didn’t use many modes just the avatar stuff and limb grabber along with flight features but it’s not honestly important

[worthy helm]

why the fuck would i go into any public lobby with minimal safety, you have to be insane to do that?

[sudden ermine]

what ever, but does anyone know how to fix it?

[harsh hedge]

I’m a bit confused on what exactly started everything or what it means 😅

[sharp lagoon]

it's hilarious VRchat is still in early access

[worthy helm]

you can turn up safety settings to hide shaders and particles which fix 90% of crashers, on top of that you can turn up your preformance settings to force avis be medium or force fallback, I haven't seen a robot in MONTHS

[grim path]

Check announcements, a loud minority are just being emotional on the discord rn, the game is completely fine and normal

[hollow peak]

mabye it’s because I’ve only played for 21 minutes but I’ve never seen a crasher in person

[opal cedar]

I dont like its a minority but sure

[harsh hedge]

Ok that’s what I was concerned about is that the game itself wasn’t ok

[serene jetty]

!online

[worthy helm]

thats why i force fallback for anything that isn't medium quality, this fixes the issues of bundle crashers too lmao

[regal veldt]

oh wow over 10k people attempted to register on ChilloutVR at the same time.

[grim path]

Well if it was a majority the player count would have dropped significantly under 65k currently playing, which it is at right now

[pseudo hedge]

I wonder if everyone will decide to use the two general chats to split into two sides: Pro-EAC and anti-EAC. xD

[opal cedar]

But what percent of people have had mods for vrchat? 80%? hell even tupper had some mods at one point

[strange topaz]

I think almost everyone in both chats is on the anti side

[plain lion]

True but most have gotten bombed and there’s still in game ways to avoid being crashed before being a pc vrc I had only the quest and I’ve pretty much never been crashed except by a world that the quest couldn’t really handle

[split torrent]

a lot of people are still pro-eac

[rancid rampart]

so what about people who are hard of hearing of deaf how do they use the mods that allow them to even play the game

[strange topaz]

Sure, but for every 1 pro, there's instantly 100 antis

[opal cedar]

Its like the rust recoil update. I dont understand how special someone has to be to think its a good update

[mortal axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_OuK-hXxw

[split torrent]

65k on game rn so I doubt that

[patent sedge]

Or the 1.19.1 reporting? In mc

[dire lily]

https://tenor.com/view/disjointed-walmart-ruth-whitefeather-feldman-gif-22756223

[grim path]

And? They might be displeased but they arent throwing a tantrum and quitting the game over it lol. Its a loud minority thats spreading misinformation on the discord about there being hackers in the game.

[pseudo hedge]

I'm mostly anti-eac due to relying on a couple of mods just to roleplay and be able to get 10-20 fps on my system. without it, I'm running at 2-5fps, and I can't afford a better laptop.

[barren whale]

meowzers

[plain lion]

That’s exactly it I’ve never experienced an issue cause of that so honestly there’s nothing to worry about I just can’t freely fly and Clip walls I’ll live without it

[sudden ermine]

hmm so now fbt wont work for me?

[wide cove]

it would be really nice if they chose a more optimized implementation of an anticheat

[viscid lagoon]

🍋

[polar orchid]

I'm anti eac because I think it's silly to remove 3rd party accessibility supports before you add them 1st party. It makes the game unplayable for those who rely on those mods for however long it takes.

[opal cedar]

I dont really think its a minority but sure. If you are still on the vrchat servers it doesn't mean you support the update

[pseudo hedge]

Yeah, I know... my laptop sucks, and my family's poor.... Not much I can do except just give up on VRChat and use whatever I save from what could've been vrc+ money for something that might help.

[plain lion]

It would but they were probably rushed for a solution and this is what they could do for now

[grim path]

Im not saying a minority use mods, im saying a minority of people are causing chaos on the discord, and to ignore them.

[regal folio]

🍋

[opal cedar]

The chaos might push them over the edge to undo the update

[rancid rampart]

Hopefully

[forest rivet]

Unlikely

[glad ridge]

https://youtu.be/zGMA4yqoVTo

[grim path]

Probably wont happen lmao, theyve doubled down on it in the announcements.

[humble cairn]

i mean there was a update they did and no one liked and the back tracked before so idk

[regal folio]

🍋

[opal cedar]

Even if they don't undo it they still will lose a lot of money

[pseudo hedge]

I can understand they're prioritizing safety over necessity/quality atm but... it's gonna leave a lot of people without the things they depend on/need to even run the game at all. I just... wish they could meet in the middle and set up something that gives content creators or instance owners a choice on whether an EAC is required to join said instance.

[maiden canyon]

ineed vrs friends

[plain lion]

It’s stated at the start of the patch update

[polar orchid]

Yeah, other games manage to have mods just fine

[forest rivet]

It's pretty obvious that VRchat is running on fumes in terms of funding and this is the first step towards monetizing the platform.

[humble cairn]

i keep saying every one who is on the vrchat team are pr members not dev but people dont care

[lucid marsh]

!online

[vague island]

the game wont even run, it keeps giving me an application error.

[humble cairn]

i bet they put this in for a investment deal or something bc people ask for a anticheat for a while

[pseudo hedge]

There's... gotta be some way to clean up the code and implement something that allows mods but automatically turns on EAC when entering an EAC-flagged world. It might be tedious, but it's better than forcing EAC everywhere, right? I wish I could help the devs in finding a solution like this, but... I'm still working on my masters degree in Software Engineering. It'll be some time before I can even apply and try anything.

[gloomy swift]

Man this new update is great! Same game barely updated! Nothing broke so far!

[lilac matrix]

the devs cant access the games dev menu since its a modded client

[maiden canyon]

am lonley on vrs

[regal forge]

just get off and you wont be lonley on vrs (;

[pseudo hedge]

The VRChat game's not modded, but its code could use some cleaning and better security, aside from the EAC method.

[maiden canyon]

lol lonely irl id rather be virtual

[vague island]

i cant run the game, i need help LMAO

[rancid rampart]

Just wait for a update to come out soon

[obsidian talon]

the disabled community will suffer greatly from these changes, well done vrchat :[

[regal forge]

I would too but vrc took away my mods

[loud cradle]

Neos or Chillout bois?

[jolly rampart]

Chillout

[lilac matrix]

im saying the developer menu is since it adds functionality but if it was base game anyone could get that functionality and thats bad for a couple reasons lol

[vocal shard]

I'm still gonna play but they get no more of my money

[maiden canyon]

vrs allows mods

[gloomy swift]

Play vanilla 3head

[obsidian talon]

the update is out. i cannot load vrchat because i had a mod 💀 had to reinstall it. also fk this time limit

[loud cradle]

yup

[maiden canyon]

vrs just too new low playerbase to none lol

[waxen badger]

yall think vr chat will fix

[brisk idol]

i cant play vrchat pc vr because i use virtual desktop and the steam version doesnt work with quest

[opal cedar]

Hi dopa

[marsh valve]

I can appreciate a dev team who has the grit to release this update in the face of all the comments.

regardless of what happens, they believe in their system, and thats kinda sick

[brisk idol]

i tried with mine and it didnt work

[ripe thorn]

does anyone here like teriyaki beef jerky

[sturdy remnant]

but... unfortunately, they had, and I mean THEY HAD to go the laziest route and cheapest possible out there, and it doesn't even work it's sad, and I'm not angry for the crashers necessarily, because I never have been in that many crashes in my time playing VRChat, that wasn't the most massive issue for me.

But however, the thing that pisses me off the most, they had to add this dumbas EAC that also removes mods that genuinely make the game a whole lot better for the user experiences, and are features out there for mods for VRChat that we have been begging for years now and they still haven't nearly added any of content we asked for over and over again, so we relied of mods to improve our experience in general, like performance enhancers, or hell even close-captioning mod for deaf people isn't even a thing anymore because EAC doesn't allow them and it's actually so incredibly sad to think about that EAC restricted these people from enjoying the VRChat experience.

[waxen badger]

yea

[tiny plaza]

Quick question, does anyone know how to disable to factor authentication it is not letting me do that and I done forgot how to sign into that Authentication

[opal cedar]

yup

[spice notch]

People threatening to leave i guess have no friends on VRC cuz theres no way im leaving sry

[ornate shore]

Ok but can I still play vr chat? I don't wanna give up on it forever 😭

[vocal shard]

Oh hey there

[sturdy remnant]

it... kinda did yeah, it always did, but it was never this ass

[gloomy swift]

Always

[lusty falcon]

Think of it this way by removing mods they've pushed tons of people into looking into alternative VR platforms

[regal veldt]

I am curious if the mods here get paid, and what their real opinion is on this patch. I hope they get paid cause no way would it be worth being a mod without money with what they just did to the community.

[spice notch]

fr

[ripe thorn]

i feel bad for the mods

[marsh valve]

ive played the game and trusted the devs for over 5 years, id be a fool to no give them a chance after all of the stuff they've resolved before

[obsidian talon]

alot of the mods were used for people who had disabilities. there was stuff for deaf people, mute people, people who are colorblind, people with sensory issues, etc. like 😭 theres more CONS than there are pros. youd think its simple

[vocal shard]

They're preparing to monetize the sht out of this game, that's why they will not back down.

[sturdy remnant]

I hope to fucking god they're paid well because honestly even the discord mods of this server don't even deserve this pain lol

[regal veldt]

Mods usually mod because of their love of the game and community. VRC betrayed every one here.

[rough pecan]

so what im gathering is Gen 2 is the chill chat why gen 1 is just blowing up

[tiny plaza]

Nvm I fixed my problem

[trail halo]

neos?

[untold oyster]

hey guys i have a question, Since EAC is a thing now can i no longer use Driver4VR for my fullbody? im not fortunate enough to be able to purchase full body so i use a kinect, am i still able to?

[regal veldt]

look at Sippbox description lol they are either threatened with silence or dont care either.

[sharp saddle]

Or, or. They have ZERO control over the updates.

[ripe thorn]

the amount of avatars i have seen with like 8 trillion polygons in the hair alone is disturbing

[golden mist]

Would make sense but gotta wait to see that truly happens, especially with what the ceo of unity is doing and how vrc didn’t even acknowledge it so it’s possible but definitely will be interesting to watch go down 🍿

[gloomy swift]

Go play rec room

[sturdy remnant]

yeap, and frankly they never bothered to pay the actual money they got to actually fix these problems.

[waxen briar]

Do you guys know of any good horror worlds in vrc

[obsidian talon]

i cant even load up vrchat right now bc i have a bad system file. i reinstalled vrchat so whats wrong can anybody help 😭 dm if needed bc of this stupid @ss time limit

[untold oyster]

search up yo momma world

[rough pecan]

cant really find as many these days. but if i come pass some ill give u a yell

[tame charm]

🍉 🍉 🍉 🍉 🍉 🍉

[lusty falcon]

Honestly instead of getting angry and abusing the mods here with spam. Maybe y'all should just go out and explore other VR platforms. Give vrchat a chance to shake out the bugs and implement the mods features into the game. Yeah it sucks how they went about it. But I'm willing to give them a chance to fix it. And I'll look into other platforms in the meantime

[waxen briar]

tyyy

[slender parcel]

im kinda surprised that there havent been a event to force VRChat roll back its update by set all your public avatar to private or set your world Capacity to 2,since 99.9% of content are made by users

[ripe thorn]

tbh all this stuff about eac is giving me a headache the amount of harassment the manager and every dev is going through is disturbing

[vocal shard]

does anyone know if chillout vr will be released for quest?

[austere kernel]

Yooo this place is a warzone

[celest ingot]

War never changes

[lusty falcon]

I'm just not funding them til they figure shit out I can't even play the freaking game

[regal veldt]

of course they done, that is why they should speak up for their community. Or gtfo if not a paid NPC

[ripe thorn]

literally crying so much rn

[waxen briar]

I can't tell if you're joking or not 😭

[forest rivet]

At least I can still rip avatars 🙏🙏

[untold oyster]

i am im sorry

[tame charm]

🍉 🍋

[vocal shard]

Something actually good? I tried every single one (I think) and honestly I don't really like any of them...they're too basic, with random jumpscares using creepypasta JPGs, or games where you only run from a creature
However, there are 2 that were kinda interesting to me: "Vanilis creative sinner" and "Ghost stories 1"

[lusty falcon]

Why would you do this you know avatar and world creators are just regular members like you trying to make a living off their amazing skills

[forest rivet]

Damn that's crazy

[waxen plank]

test

[tame charm]

@covert chasm your mom suck me good and hard through my jorts

[inland adder]

true true

[hard sequoia]

they silence me for an hour at a time every time i post genuine criticism.

[ripe thorn]

do you like breaking bad

[regal veldt]

This is why they should all be moving to ChilloutVR, they allow mods and support existing unity assets! Not to mention the client (when not overloaded with users) runs much smoother.

[zinc lotus]

Egg

[unreal osprey]

@sharp rose @urban talon @covert chasm vrchat is now a bad game since this stupid update was the worst update the game has ever issued to the community

[spice notch]

Dang where can i E&RP now?

[celest ingot]

Real life

[lusty falcon]

They should and I know a bunch that already are

[slate lance]

"To reiterate, because the wording in the initial post wasn't very clear: Virtual Desktop works fine if you use it with Steam VRChat. It doesn't work with VRChat on Oculus PC due to the use of DLL injection." So what... We can't use Virtual Desktop on Meta Quest 2 to play VRC on PC?

[vocal shard]

Did Ron leave? Did he hand over the reigns to Tupper?

[spice notch]

not in a furry avatar tho :/

[ripe thorn]

litterally balling on the floor im so angry!!! 😡

[celest ingot]

Pffttt what

[finite abyss]

Cant watch my initial d in lsm media no more on quest, cant watche movies in movie and chill

[lusty falcon]

Transferring words will be difficult since chillout vr is under funded and still in development

[regal veldt]

the amount of "original message was deleted" is hilarious. props to them for at least letting every one speaking their mind and not attempting to silence every one.

[toxic portal]

!online

[halcyon void]

I deleted my own message though.

[finite abyss]

Time to play black cat in rec room

[ripe thorn]

its gonna end in like 3 days give it a bit

[lusty falcon]

But I know people are already working on it
I'm working on transferring all of my avatars and my dungeon

[rigid forum]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRDDgvQc/?k=1

[spice notch]

bark bark bark bark bro i need my E&RP and @random prism most people arent going anywhere, nothing touches VRC and the friends ive made are too special to leave

[tender bronze]

that moment when you cant even start vrchat with the new update 😦

[celest ingot]

I’m still going to play vrchat, no update is going to change that.

[weary jolt]

the fact that the new anti cheat probably just made thousands delete important game files

[lusty falcon]

The new update is making the game unplayable for a large number of people

[glad ridge]

EAC is not about security. Mods make profit, subscriptions, and ads impossible.

Calling this update "The Security Update" is an intentionally misleading move to get users to argue over if mods are safe. Whatever your opinion on mods is, it's not about safety. It's about monetizing.

The whole tech industry is salivating over making money from the "Metaverse", and eyes are on VRChat right now. Let's be real - VRChat is not profitable. It's running on borrowed time off investor money, based on the idea that just having a big userbase is worth something. Lately, companies with this business model have been hit hard - Snapchat stock, for example, has dropped 87% over the past year. Investors now want proof you can make a profit, or they're pulling out.

That's where the real "problem" with mods lie in. Mods make it impossible to monetize the game. There's only two ways VRChat can become profitable - through an ad base model, or through a subscription/microtransaction model.

If mods exist, you can't put ads in the game - they get modded out immediately. If mods exist, you can't upcharge for features - the modders have already added it for free. So you ban mods. Now you can slip ads into loading screens - but you can remove them with a VRC+ subscription! You can take the features modders implemented, sell them as microtransactions, or you can get them all with a VRC+ Gold subscription! And what's even better, it has the side effect of sanitizing the platform, making it more corporate friendly - discourage the features used by the hardcore users, the lewd people, the furries, and suddenly Meta, Microsoft, or Amazon might buy you out.

If you know anything running a tech startup, you knew this day would come eventually. It will not happen overnight - hell, I'm sure a good chunk of mods-turned-features will be free at first, and causal vanilla users will cheer on the dev team for all the improvements and pay up. Afterall, the money is in the casual users - there's a whole lot of them, they pay up for silly microtransactions, and they don't consume server resources like hardcore users by playing for thousands hours in private instances.

Whether or not you think this is a good or bad thing is up to you. You might feel going corporate will finally get vrc the money it needs, or you might feel like the soul is actively being ripped out of the platform. Regardless, with the way vrc is set up, these changes will be inevitable.

[ripe thorn]

ok

[vocal shard]

I knew it

[halcyon void]

No, thanks

[spice notch]

facebooks thing is free with no ads bro.

[red fable]

Can I get some help? I use Linux but after updating the game I can't play anymore?

[vocal shard]

And when there's money involved, there's no turning back...that's why this will probably be permanent

[halcyon void]

Install windows

[slender prairie]

bc facebook itself has ads. also, product placement is a thing

[regal veldt]

was this the copy pasta I keep seeing get deleted?

[red fable]

I hate Microsoft. I'll pass. :c

[glad ridge]

Maybe, idk

[spice notch]

well time to leave the discord server

[subtle copper]

why has vrc become Americas government over night

[severe estuary]

they said in the blog post that it'd still work through proton
i guess they lied 👍

[shell terrace]

more like the uk gov

[runic flax]

L devs

[karmic chasm]

Oh this is amazing, they just announced that virtual desktop works fine on pcvr, but not on quest PC. How daft must you be that your anti cheat affects part of your player base that's playing the game as intended

[timid wave]

Got timed out for giving some angry faces in chat. You really hate to see it.

[slow cypress]

!online

[red fable]

It never worked on Proton for me so I used a backdoor solution. Doesn't work anymore though.

[ripe thorn]

my liver is gone

[sage stone]

Sorry i took it

[brazen axle]

🤡

[severe estuary]

it worked through proton just fine for me, but with the open beta and now in stable it doesn't work anymore
here, they said it works through proton
https://imgur.com/h2L6oR5
even though it doesn't

[keen stump]

I hate cooldown

[subtle copper]

theyre becoming facebook ig no opinions allowed

[red fable]

Mario came for you?

[ripe thorn]

mario indeed did take my liver it was a very unfortunate circumstance

[keen stump]

When was there hacking in vrc?

[timid wave]

I help run a pretty large VRChat community. Their decisions make me a bit upset to say the least.

[unkempt depot]

I just wish to ask, one thing. this is a social game, why add this? it's, not my place to say this but it is to be frank, not the best idea. but, it's your game, do as you will. doesn't change what I do with my day, I'll still play but be disappointed in the fact such a great game, is going this route.

[brazen axle]

🤡

[keen stump]

It's a literal social game not no damn shooter game like COD or apex Jesus Christ this whole thing is stupid and then they're like "why are people leaving??! "

[brazen axle]

🤡

[subtle copper]

goofy

[pulsar pelican]

My boyfriend literally cannot get into vrc even though he removed all his mods
Competing to be the DUMBEST game update I’ve seen so far

[unkempt depot]

I'm not here to add onto the stress the staff is facing as it is, just, kinda, baffled at the anti cheat in a social game I guess? idk, it's just a strange idea. Anyways, wish the best to everyone who goes their own way, and best of luck to the staff, goodnight all.

[vocal shard]

They're preparing to monetize the game, the EAC is appealing to investors, that's why they don't want any game modifications

[regal furnace]

off to round 2 we go

[regal veldt]

LULULULULUL!!!! VRC just posted a job for a compliance officer and they want BLOCK CHAIN!

[pulsar pelican]

What’s that

[vagrant zodiac]

The game seemed fine to me lmao

[keen stump]

Are u on quest I'm guessing?

[jolly summit]

I havent been on vrc for a bit

[vagrant zodiac]

I was just on it and beyond a couple crashes which were probably just crashers, it ran just as smooth as ever without a hitch. Although yes, I'm on Quest lol

[vocal shard]

It has a lot of problems, the optimization is sht (especially avatars), the only good thing is the good times you have with people
Without that, the game is complete dogsht

[shell cape]

You had me for a second

[keen stump]

Dude the update doesn't do shit people are smart enough to bypass the EAC if ppl can make their own FBT then they can definitely bypass it

[regal veldt]

The job listing wants people with experience in block chain.

[polar orchid]

"While we do not intend to enter the blockchain/crypto space" - in the job posting

[slow owl]

Lets play a game where we can chill out VR

[keen stump]

WDYM experience?!

[polar orchid]

https://jobs.lever.co/vrchat/71b4e371-44cf-49b7-b040-9569ce8ad571
Can find it by going to vr chat site, careers tab, "Compliance operations manager"

[regal veldt]

I wasnt sure if I could link it lol

[shell cape]

Your search says “while we do not intend to enter blockchain”

[slow owl]

https://tenor.com/view/maya-dog-watermelon-nom-nom-nom-gif-13316584

[vocal shard]

But they still leave the door open and want people with experience in crypto

[regal veldt]

this is no doubt about expanding monetization.

[polar orchid]

Still, a robux-like system sucks lol even if not crypto
Money ruins everything 😭

[brisk herald]

They aren't good programmers. That's why feature content long promised has not been added, and why they chose a bad nuclear option to fix their issues, that won't fix their issues. I just watched a YouTube video about chillout VR. They use the exact same unity engine. To change over to their system will simply reinstall dynamic bones and their version of sdk. The feature content that was never delivered here, Chillout has. My only question with them will be avatar storage as I was approaching 300 between EMMs storage and VRChats storage plus my own uploads. VRChat developers stepped into a massive pile with this. Content is going to be lost as creators shut out with this leave and delete their accounts. This platform might survive, but it will be a shell as they lose huge sums of money from the exodus. I have zero sympathy.

[bitter crystal]

I think they may want an in-game currency so they can take a % of avatar sales or something. Horse is already out of the barn though so they probably going to wreck the platform trying.

[eager cedar]

Steam Market moment

[languid atlas]

Vrc sucks rn IT’S my fav game and now it is absolute garbage I hope the devs sees this they are ruining the game nobody play vrc until aug 3 AND if they don’t get rid of the anti cheat nobody play it until it gets removed vrc devs see this fix your game pls I miss good vrc we are leaving you are loosing money and players but we all know you don’t care about having a good game and all you care about is money it was amazing when you added phys-bones listen to me and the Community it’s not just a couple hundred people it is all of the community think of your game NOW pls NOW vrc NOW

[noble oracle]

@eternal goblet no way fr proof?

[silk bear]

Now that I think about it, I do kinda like the fact that the EAC is implemented, although there are a few things that need fixed

[plain lion]

True but at least it gives vrc a fresh start in a way

[latent obsidian]

Hey vrc, thanks for ruinin movie worlds.

[noble oracle]

Apparently it's not doing anything against hackers but I haven't played in awhile

[vocal shard]

how are movie worlds broken?

[sinful lintel]

Just because EAC is a industry standard doesn't mean you should add it. There is a reason I pirated the games I own that have it in it.

[languid atlas]

Gn

[plain lion]

Eac shouldn’t prevent third party links just the mods

[molten cradle]

Melancholy is spreading over VRC verse

[latent obsidian]

Nothing loads anymore, even with untrusted urls on

[ocean lodge]

We hear you and we see you, but we’re in a rush to make monetization money so you’re gonna have to wait until we get to that feature in 18 months with VRC+

[regal veldt]

does this really ruin the movie worlds? I didnt think those worked with mods.

[brisk herald]

Thing is Coamic, their damage is done. They've literally delivered a mass number of their users to their competition. Let them have their brush avatared kids run amokin whateveris leftof this. They deserve the disaster they created

[rain stratus]

rchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋 vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋vrchat is not the same i hope you get hard karma 🍋

[vagrant crag]

and all they can do is literally silence us for a few minutes. we will not stay silent no wonder what happens. i swear to god this is out of hand and we need to protest. idc if they’re like “hehe! yeah. we hear. we don’t care tho go f*^c-k yourselves. smh. thought these people cared, pushing out this update was like their biggest mistake. if we stopped playing altogether they will maybe remove the EAC. i refuse to open up vrchat once more before they fix this damn problem. this is too much of an issue, y’all see these and i know you do. so just stop not listening to us, we’re tired of your b^v^u^II^sh!+. how does it feel knowing you devs will not get even a quarter of the money you used to get? @Tupper#0001 you need to get your ceo here and or let him know of this f_uvu(king situation. you should definetely reverse your update and stop whatever you’ve done. i for sure will be figuring out the best way for me to cancel my subscription. i advise you all follow me and cancel yours aswell.

[languid atlas]

Thanks

[sinful lintel]

They said it was that, In their post defending it

[brisk creek]

Devs are 🤡

[vocal shard]

im going to continue preaching roblox the superior social vr platform

[noble oracle]

Oh ew so they are starting to get monetized

[regal veldt]

VRC+ wasnt good enough

[keen stump]

WDYM monetized??????

[vagrant crag]

and all they can do is literally silence us for a few minutes. we will not stay silent no wonder what happens. i swear to god this is out of hand and we need to protest. idc if they’re like “hehe! yeah. we hear. we don’t care tho go f*^c-k yourselves. smh. thought these people cared, pushing out this update was like their biggest mistake. if we stopped playing altogether they will maybe remove the EAC. i refuse to open up vrchat once more before they fix this damn problem. this is too much of an issue, y’all see these and i know you do. so just stop not listening to us, we’re tired of your b^v^u^II^sh!+. how does it feel knowing you devs will not get even a quarter of the money you used to get? @covert chasm you need to get your ceo here and or let him know of this f_uvu(king situation. you should definetely reverse your update and stop whatever you’ve done. i for sure will be figuring out the best way for me to cancel my subscription. i advise you all follow me and cancel yours aswell.

[agile kettle]

wdym they're getting into NFTS??? what????!!

[grand pine]

Hope you guys know, the development don't care what u spam so you're doing it for nothing

[slender ore]

I just got suspended for no reason

[keen stump]

They don't care abt their players :/

[frozen knot]

thank you for going live with EAC dev team!

[tough totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961277374505291776/1001696962069938216/unknown.png?size=4096

[sinful lintel]

Hope you know, the people spamming don't care what u spam so you're doing it for nothing

[latent briar]

i cancelled vrc+ not that it makes a difference

[vocal shard]

hit them where it hurts

[ocean lodge]

Since this is about greed to begin with, it really does make a difference.

[slender ore]

I didn’t have anything to get suspended for and it’s stupid because I was gonna go host a training for my sever and then I got suspended in my home world

[languid atlas]

As I said all they care about is the money

[latent briar]

i'm off to the competition i guess, good luck guys and thanks everyone for the amazing memories, it sucks that we all have to be fragmented across platforms like this 😦

[frozen knot]

nice to know that actually well coded vr platforms have a chance to get more users playing instead of the game that the funny knuckles thing had and has players only thanks to a meme hahaaaaa

[noble oracle]

I really really hope vrchat changes this update soon I don't want another monetized game

[regal veldt]

its about reaching the community at this point and not the developers. Get the users to move on, money is what talks.

[pulsar pelican]

Truly
Goodluck

[grand pine]

Cancelling vrc, spamming general, crashing lobbies, none of this does nothing to them. You guys are crying for no reason, the games still playable and they're working on developing qot mods into their platform as mentioned in the announcement.

[sinful lintel]

Thats what I have been doing

[vocal shard]

We need a vr platform that improves everything that vr chat won't do, like all the improvements from 🍋 and better optimization

[frozen knot]

be careful with that icon, lazy coders that get paid might get superrrr jealous

[ocean lodge]

Oh my god I’m MOOORBING

[limber beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/zilverk-ratiza-ugandan-knuckles-ratz-club-zilverk-bailando-gif-24759588

[frozen knot]

it's gone budda, o7

[latent briar]

100 bux in my case, i was on the one year subscription recurring

[ionic slate]

or 100 due to the year sub

[fair mortar]

10€ less

[plush ermine]

🍉

[spring moth]

🍋

[molten cradle]

Melancholy is spreading over VRC verse

[stray glacier]

why do people even crash other people

[glad ridge]

This is our game, VRC was built for the community we shouldn't let some greedy pieces of shit ruin this wonderful thing. Fight for what we built, fight for what we loved and created, the worlds, the avatars, the friends, the memories. Take back what is rightfully ours, fight for it!

[vocal shard]

I think VRChat is just for quest users now. Because native quest users outweigh pcvr in vrchat and they probably felt no difference. Long as VRChat caters to quest they'll get what they really want, which is that cashola. They don't care about the "community". At the end of the day it's a business and all the people complaining and bad press are just numbers and analytics. The community did with any buggy game and made it there own fun cesspool and now VRChat is in big leagues business and needs to get rid of, what is sadly now, any anomalies. VRChat and it's team need full control over the game if they want full control over cash flow. What else VRChat plus would be for if there was mods available. Yall wanna talk to corporations and businesses you gotta hit them with something unexpected, because they expected this and it's just like the simulations. That is all. Also kids don't really care about this small stuff and kids are more profitable than competent adults. credits to Mayor Oreo i didnt make this

[stray glacier]

i think people start crashing now bc of this update

[round briar]

I liked the mods cause I could search the avatars I wanted and I had unlimited favorites instead of just 100.

[grand pine]

Show proof? Bro I swear the people flaming the devs and the update are uneducated and don't read announcements. How do they show proof if they released the announcement saying they got the feedback early today? They said in the announcement they will provide more information tomorrow? Like read people come on.

[versed badger]

nah crashing has always been a thing, it’s just easier for them now because everyone’s advanced safety and anti crashers are gone because a company gave into greed

[vocal shard]

I heard that people's accounts are getting deleted once they log in now :/

[next ore]

Not even on Quest things are not good
There is a lot of crash avatars and the mirror doesn't help

[noble oracle]

????

[drowsy comet]

if you dont like vrc anymore i would suggest going to neos vr!!

[white latch]

That's the thing: people don't actually read the announcements. All they literally wanna do is sit and complain all day about a game.

[vocal shard]

yea

[compact tapir]

GRASS

[keen otter]

I love the update and will continue to pay them for VRChat plus!!!

[idle gazelle]

!online

[grand pine]

I'm announcing that I read your feedback about buying this house thats perfect for me. I'll provide you more information about the house tomorrow.

[noble oracle]

People shouldn't really be freaking out about the update all that much sure it's not the greatest but it doesn't mean it won't be able to change in the future

[versed badger]

you must have a good pc

[ocean lodge]

This is our game, VRC was built for the community we shouldn't let some greedy pieces of shit ruin this wonderful thing. Fight for what we built, fight for what we loved and created, the worlds, the avatars, the friends, the memories. Take back what is rightfully ours, fight for it!

[smoky agate]

Or just always sit in front of mirrors

[latent briar]

this whole thing reminds me of the movement from the early web to walled garden platforms like facebook and iOS, it really sucks but now we have to pick a a curated, monetized ecosystem and stay there. I'm goin to chilloutVR i guess but i bet the same thing happens there inevitably

[slim sphinx]

I’m so lost about the update did they really remove peoples mods ?

[vocal shard]

im trying out chillout woo

[keen otter]

ngl dawg I have an i5 from 2014 and I get 40 frames

[fair mortar]

I’m on vacation atm and i have a 1050 so I’m not sure if I can run vrc once I’m back

[regal veldt]

Or just migrate to ChilloutVR because it supports all the unity assets and worlds already created for VRC.

[drowsy comet]

nah try neos vr!

[versed badger]

this new EAC took 10 frames away for me how tf do you have over 40 frames, you must be desktop then.

[ocean lodge]

Ye

[vocal shard]

can someone help me? what is an anti cheat thing? its being downloaded on my pc

[white latch]

Chillout doesnt even have scripting yet.
And Neos hasn't been updated in a few months iirc, and it's menus are completely unintuitive.

[vocal shard]

im trying both

[grand pine]

Chilloutvr is bad, I've played it since beta. The devs of chillout havnt fixed its server to player connectivity since its release, you won't see people in lobbies due to server lag. Not worth.

[noble oracle]

Neos vr is dawg from what I heard

[keen otter]

I use OVR and steam VR settings to reduce strain and quality to get more frames but the screen tearing is horrible. I haven't played it in like a month.

[drowsy comet]

nah try it before you bash it fr.

[noble oracle]

Bro he's the community dev at least ping the right dev like bro 💀

[white latch]

Open your task manager and set EAC to low priority, should help tremendously from what people have told me.

[versed badger]

i love you

[vocal shard]

thank you

[peak mauve]

god damn
that's a lot of damage
https://aws.senko.media/2022/07/Taskmgr_Bfa8f8icKlytq.png
||actual EAC is embedded into game's code||

[regal veldt]

LUL

[vocal shard]

What I don't understand about the update of the anti-cheat thing is that VRChat isn't even a competitive game it's not a challenge it's literally just a app that you can hang out with your friends in

if i have a vpn/hacker block on my pc will i be protected?

[burnt karma]

ong

[keen otter]

i start playing vrchat for a few weeks, make friends and then get sick of the screen tearing and performance and then I disappear and lose them lol. woes of being too lazy to buy a new CPU.

[primal jewel]

consider the microtransactions

[vocal shard]

Ok I guess

[silk bear]

All I want vrchat to do is just find a way to implement a better anti crash system

[blazing tapir]

What's the best food you've ever had?

[vocal shard]

just saying we shouldnt have to buy a new cpu just because vrchats code sucks

[regal veldt]

its literally about removing mods to add in game monetization and features mods add in to VRC+ and get rid of "undesirables". It is the only logical reason why they did this. Think purchasable avatars, "WOW" tokens, NFTs, crypto.

[grand pine]

I'm gonna say this as abit of knowledge for everyone. Coming from a game dev myself, vrchat cannot accommodate for every human being its not realistic. The target audience for every game is different. It's not the vrc devs fault for not allowing people with disabilities from playing, they are obviously not the target audience. If you guys complain that vrc devs took away the qot mods so disabled people can't play, then go complain to the beat saber devs for not allowing disabled people to play. People are bias to themselves and that's the issue.

[vocal shard]

Yeah VRChat kinda feel's like a money trap now 😕

[keen otter]

I already have that and I have to set everyone but my friends to hidden 😭

[white latch]

To be fair, a lot of the performance issues do come from the community of VRChat.

People often refuse to optimize their content and it ends up in laggy worlds and avatars.

[silk bear]

ChilloutVR literally has a really good anti crash system from day 1, and it took vrchat 5 years to do the same thing

[idle wharf]

btw i just realized...some people have said something along the lines of 'devs arent killing the game, you guys are for leaving and going to other platforms'

but its like...arent those th same people who were like 'if you dont like it LEAVE' or w/e? so we leave and (surprised pikachu)

like, they did things we didnt like, we said we didnt want it, they did it anyway, we left, and now its "its not the devs fault its YOUR fault"

and then people said we're gaslighting :tomatobwl:

[vocal shard]

did ur cpu fry from playing vrc?😭

[worthy helm]

Really glad the toxic people are going to be quitting, community could do without em, I just hope the update comes for disabilities sooner than later.

[keen otter]

my CPU is from 2014 💀

[idle wharf]

the malicious client users wont, and they're most toxic of all 😭

[silk bear]

I mean yeah,but couldn't vrchat do something like where if people have modded clients they would only be able to join other people who have also modded the game?

[vocal shard]

OH LMFAOO💀 i almost got worried like "shit now my cpu is gonna fry or smth😭 "

I'm not even going to try to log into VRChat on my rift

[regal veldt]

its about screwing over the creator community. The exact same community that built the worlds, avatars, and mods. Take a dump on your creators which is the community's heart and you deserve this kind of backlash. it isnt the individual devs fault, but it is the president of the company's fault which from my understanding is a dev...

[keen otter]

I have a 1070 ti and an 2014 i5, biggest bottleneck in VR history. god help me.

[white latch]

This reminds me of the guy who left a negative review of Stray because they were having lots of lag and stuttering. They had a good GPU, but their CPU was from 2013

[worthy helm]

I mean I guess but that's a hell of a way to divide a community and hard to manage as well.

[vocal shard]

i hope you can find and afford something better my friend🙏 🙏

[silk bear]

It's better than banning clients/mods in general

[timid hornet]

Just friendly heads up chillout VR now has over 350+ backers on Patreon and even more unlocked accounts. They actually hear toward optimization and even work with certain applications we've come to know and love for vrchat.

[keen otter]

I have the money I just have no friends on vrchat, so my incentive for a new CPU is 😭 already spent 1k on the index

[restive solstice]

Lol I have a 1060 and the game runs fine, y’all need to clean ya pcs

[worthy helm]

It might just lead to more division and toxicity and on top of that even more elitist client users

[vocal shard]

hmm interesting...

[keen otter]

I'm literally shinji from evangelion rn rn rn shinji kinnie

[white latch]

"You don't understand, my avatar HAS to have 40 materials, every part separated into a different GameObject, three different songs to play, and a particle light show, and take up 800 MB of VRAM."

Same person: "god this game is so laggy the devs need to fix it "

[dapper cape]

🍋

[worthy helm]

Get Biden on the line now I want it gone 😩 😩

[grand pine]

Because attackers usual have vpns active?

[vocal shard]

holy shit us rn🤝 🤝

[patent kiln]

The hell does the lemon mean I’ve seen it everywhere lmao

[idle wharf]

ok, i'll admit, that's a pretty fair argument about alot of avatars being unoptimized af :tomatobwl:

[keen otter]

honestly I'm just scared of getting too into vrchat that I stop trying to make friends irl LOL

[dapper cape]

🍈 Lemon

[vocal shard]

ohh i use nord!! i should prob disable mine cause i cant get in😭

[idle wharf]

or about ppl being sour, similar to 🧂

[patent kiln]

Oh love that lmao

[vocal shard]

YESS nah cause i started playing vr in december of last year and my friends irl have dropped😭 tbh rlly sucks but at least i have online friends😭

[latent briar]

i am a VJ/dancer. I did visual sets for DJs that didn't have any. I needed mods to perform both as I had to run both the client and the visualizer at the same time and the game is too unoptimized for my computer to run it in a world with 80+ people, hidden, without aggressive modding to get those frames back. Without mods i literally can't run my visualizer at the same time so from one creative, farewell you guys and good luck

[vocal shard]

Ima loose most my pc friends sadly :/

[white latch]

Inexperienced world devs be like:
"Yeah I added this really cool carpet shader I found, I set it to max and it looks sick … what do you mean I shouldn't have that and that it causes lag? Just get a better PC, It's integral to the world aesthetic. I won't add a toggle for it either."

Or

"Whats a static object?…"

Or

"Ah I just finished adding 400 lights to this world… huh? Light baking? What's that? Baked lights? You don't bake lights silly!"

[ocean lodge]

VRC Devs: We could’ve waited to develop the accessibility features before releasing the update, but fuck the disabled, we want monetization money.

[zealous pendant]

Well, the REALLY toxic people are the ones going out and crashing people. They're not leaving because this update didnt do anything to them

[serene anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/rolblox-letsdrink-drinking-gif-21548206

[sand marten]

Vrc-

[worthy helm]

I mean I was on tonight and ran into no client users with malicious clients so :/

[crisp iron]

breaking bad

[slim sphinx]

I’m happy most of my pc friends are vanilla users….and understand this

[vocal shard]

Also what about the server they pay for, the biggest furry convention? Furality? That’s going to go to shit real quick I feel like.

this update=NEW ADDITION VRC-

[zealous pendant]

Im not saying they're common, just that they are the REALLY toxic players, and they arent leaving

[idle wharf]

that's it guys we've completely removed malicious clients great job raidenclapping.gif

[silk bear]

Hmmm, I guess you're right,I wasn't thinking about that

[ocean lodge]

butts

[worthy helm]

They will most likely get bored, script kiddies have a short attention span

[silk bear]

"Hacking" a game technically isn't "illegal"

[frigid peak]

EAC poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague upon our houses

[idle wharf]

maybe if the playerbase lowers enough we'll starve them of entertainment

[white latch]

Exactly, most of these people using malicious mods are dumbass young teens who think they're so cool cause they downloaded a hacked client.

[zealous pendant]

Except these arent the script kiddies, EAC did block the script kiddies. It didnt block the people who actually know what they're doing, and those people are vengful, they will do everything in their power to shut the game now just for the devs trying stop them

[glass meadow]

why r mirrors low res for me now

[gritty stream]

L anti cheats L anti cheats

[idle wharf]

that obv means she was actually a bot, you're welcome :tomatosmile:

[worthy helm]

Oh those people will be hard to stomp out, but let's be honest 90% of the annoying malicious client base were script kiddies who downloaded a mod to power trip online. They will fold like a house of cards.

[zealous pendant]

Thats fair enough I suppose, but even still, it wont take long for the script kiddies to get back their toys once the actual hacking stuff trickles down to them

[worthy helm]

It won't be nearly as accessable, the amount of hurdles these kiddies would need to cross will only increase until they actually give up