vrchat-general-2

[barren whale]

people are upset their customization was taken away

[stuck dune]

bit more than that- EAC mostly helps malicious people.

[barren whale]

Yeah, I think you need to have your adult content filter off through steam in order to get that adult content pass

[frosty cipher]

alllright time to check out chillout vr

[spice scaffold]

people are upset because QOL mods, accessibility mods, anti-crash clients etc, are no longer going to work.

[shy nest]

I don't mind it personally. Be better for the long run. However, should of been done before game launch on steam personally. I do hope lot of the features people uses mods for, make it into the game. Like Avatar searching, fly, leap motion support, etc etc

[slow halo]

As much as I want to like Neos, holy hell is the UI unfriendly. I tried logging in again last night and was totally lost on how to do things

[eager wind]

they wont add avatar searching. we all know that

[pine obsidian]

Yeah like I had to rely on Closed Caption for this.

[empty flint]

as long as I can make and use toggle compounds that are as simple as SDK 2.0 or Cyan Triggers when making worlds on COVR, Im probably good on that cause I dont wanna ditch this world I was working on since Feb this year if I become less active on VRChat than I have now already (due to drama I dealt with back at 2020-2021 which hecked my motivation to be on VRChat as much as I used to... this update has nothing to do with my inactivity, havent even touched VR as much cause of this level of inactivity and motivation)

as for avatars, I make simple avatars anyway with a few fly colliders and all that, Im not usually hardcore with my avatars due to lack of experience (or I just dont care cause I've experienced some users with hardcore avatars lag people with lower end computers, including myself), so that doesnt bother me as much

[barren whale]

it took them 5 years to add elbow and knee tracking so i wouldn't hold your breath lol

[regal furnace]

best id do personally is going to support both. its a pain, but the only way to satisfy everyone right now

[shy nest]

Pretty sure 5 years ago, Photon networking wasnt that great either >_>

[worn raft]

yeah nah disabled people are essentially no longer allowed to enjoy vrc

[rose abyss]

I couldnt turn on a mirror button with my laser and was being laughed at by a random avali bc i couldnt figure it out. Ye no, cvr is the way lol

[drowsy pond]

i’d love to get into vrchat but im deathly afraid of being crashed + force hack into a private instance. im literally afraid of vrchat now and i shouldn’t be afraid.

[eager wind]

the whole reason they don't just let you search for avatars is to encourage you to actually explore worlds. you gotta look for the avatars when you search the avatar author, and go to their worlds to check out the avatars there

[spice scaffold]

same. being autistic and having auditory processing issues, CC was a life saver, as well as mods that block flashing lights and all sorts of other shit. this update is gonna stop so many disabled players from playing vrc, and its depressing as fuck

[agile mesa]

if thats true thats mad silly ngl

[empty flint]

ye Im not gonna abandon VRChat completely cause I still have friends on there that still come to say hi every so often when Im actually on the game, I think atm COVR is gonna act as like a backup for me because I dont wanna waste months on this world just to abandon everything cause this world is going so well

[vocal shard]

Sad what this update is doing to the deaf, HOH, and mute community.

[barren whale]

CRV rn is pretty much early vrchat that runs way smoother and has a crappy UI. Going from VRC to their UI is gonna take getting used to

[eager wind]

literally the search feature is right there. how would they NOT implement it after several years??

also they released a statement bout it in their FAQ back in 2019

[onyx mantle]

I agree

[regal furnace]

my current world i can just port over due to having no functionality yet, i might do a test about it out of curiosity

[pine obsidian]

Yeah CC was a life saver because I am Deaf, I cant hear them, without it, I would have felt left out because I cant hear around my streamers/youtubers, furries, Deaf, Hard of hearing friends.

[slow halo]

Maybe with a huge influx of new players, the devs will be incentivized to work on it though?

[empty flint]

I already do that anyway, been mod free since day one back at 2019 Sept, and even if I had mods I wouldnt care about that search avatar mod cause I have enjoyment seeing other people's hardwork through exploring worlds, like that "Eye of the Newt" world where you mix potion ingredients to unlock an avatar and you have to find recipes for those avatars throughout the map which I freaking loved!! :3

[agile mesa]

is crv chillout vr?

[vocal shard]

I feel sad about Vrchat. Great feedback is they should have implemented the comfortable mods people needed in the game already before deciding to do the anti cheat.

[vocal shard]

yes

[barren whale]

Join their discord and bring it up. It's a smaller team, but from what people have said on Steam and on their Reddit they are trying to make it better every day and listen to the community

[pine obsidian]

I mean I could hangout with Deaf, and Hard of hearing friends since they know America sign language. But other than Furries and Streamers/Youtubers, I cant hear them, I would have felt left out because I cant hear.

[slow halo]

Got an invite?

[mint fable]

Working on a document with responses to common arguments for implementing EAC, would love to hear what concerns people have with not implementing it

[barren whale]

nah i haven't joined it yet, think it's on their steam page though

[umbral reef]

There are osc tts options out there last time I checked... So you should still be able to play fine if your hard hearing or deaf

[vocal shard]

Listen guys all im saying is Club Penguin would have NEVER done us like this if they had a VR game.

[onyx mantle]

I mean I agree with the portal lock but not the other half of the update

[slow halo]

Gotcha. I'll check it out, thanks. I'll also buy their one time unlock thing. It's only $9, that's totally doable

[barren whale]

People keep bringing up OSC like it's something anyone can just hop into and toggle a switch to get whatever they need working lol

[pine obsidian]

Yeah only mute users uses this I think. I saw most mute user use TTS bubble.

[empty flint]

unfortunately I have already set up some functions on my world like being able to open or close doors, I have an art museum in this world with somewhat interactive museum displays where some things can show a demo of the concept's functions thats being displayed, such as my UFOs I made a concept of and modelled at some point which have buttons where if clicked the ring that makes up the structure spins like a UFO typically does
so gotta see if I can find those simple functions from Cyan Trigger for small brains like me in COVR XD

[spice scaffold]

whats OSC??? ive not heard of it before

[solemn cave]

Well, about that...

[mint fable]

OSC only works on custom avatars or worlds

[umbral reef]

Far from kt but it's a great tool that allows a lot of stuff before the devs add it.

[barren whale]

some programming thing in unity

[empty flint]

hmm Ima stick to saying CVR instead of COVR, cause COVR sounds close to covid imo... I rather not compare anything to that stupid virus... no thanks 👀

[umbral reef]

And as a temporary solution it's an option. Most games don't even provide the tools to try and would have flat out Perma banned you for trying.

Devs have stated they are working on all accessibility tools

[hot cypress]

Saying this as a mildly HOH person that uses stand alone quest. I will usually put in my status that I am HOH. If they don’t see the status, then I can simply use a pen if there is one or and avatar that has one. And if I did know it, I’d use sign language.

[vocal shard]

OSC is short for OpenSoundControl and is a standard for process to process communication by sending UDP packets

[upper tinsel]

!online

[frosty cipher]

yoooooo

[worn raft]

you know vrc adding eac reminds me of that time corsair’s icue updated on my pc, bricked itself, and stopped letting me use my corsair keyboard.

im pretty sure icue is still on my pc, fully bricked and its been maybe 2 years

[mint fable]

Most social games don't ban mods.

[vocal shard]

CC

[onyx mantle]

Damn

[barren whale]

People have access to those tools right now, and don't want to wait years to get access to VRChat's version

[umbral reef]

Most social games also don't have the problem where you can't play because of mods 💀

[woven trail]

most social games don't have cutting edge hardware like haptic suits that need mods to function correctly

[bright sun]

What a shit show is this. Same as minecraft

[mint fable]

Crashes caused by avatars will not be affected by EAC. EAC will however prevent m0ds that prevent crashes or optimize the game. Ripping avatars can easily be done directly from the gpu without the need of m0ds, and is therefore not affected by EAC.

[spice scaffold]

nothing. we literally cant do anything. we just have to sit around and wait, when they could have added access features before the patch. i'd prefer them to just outright say they wont do anything, since i highly doubt they will add what people need

[frosty cipher]

jesus its so dark

[thorny nacelle]

gpu? wtf are you talking about 👀

[worn raft]

oh with the report and perm ban things? didnt they go back on that or did i mishear from some1

[barren whale]

RIP to all my homie who's romantic toys won't work with vrc anymore

[umbral reef]

I'm honestly just going back to my pool and keep drinking as i still got vacation for a few hours.

Your really just parroting the same jankt arguments most people are saying without understanding how and why. Like just check the msgs I wrote jn here if you want a reply or something

[bright sun]

They made it 100 times worse. More vague catagories no response from the devs etc.

[mint fable]

I'm not going to go into detail about how avatar ripping works, what's important is that it's not affected by EAC.

[worn raft]

microsoft 🤝 vrc

jesus fucking christ what

[onyx mantle]

Hey does anyone else agree about just having the portal lock and not have the other half of the update because I hate having to drop a friends+ portal and have someone random to join because if they'd just do that then we all would've not been in this mess

[woven trail]

as well, but the cool thing about VRChat is it's pretty much the platform where new VR hardware is first tested on and shown to work in VR. It's like the defacto VR app and cutting mod support will kill that off

[chilly timber]

What’s crazy is I can mostly only go to public cus I don’t really have friend that invite since I’m a mute so I basically can’t play if I want to be safe

[bright sun]

Seems like they sleep in the same bed

[vocal shard]

Newer AMOLED screens. My old S9 has crazy smudging on deep blacks.

[worn raft]

they r gay and being intimate by the looks of it

[tawny frigate]

people can crash you with clients, but most crash options ive seen on clients also use the aid of crasher avatars tbh, normally just insane poly count or something that claps the whole lobby the second you put it on, the client would hide yourself from you so you cant clap yourself. To some extent it can mitigate it, but tbh this whole update wont fix crashers, it wont fix people stealing or yoinking avatars, and it wont make the game better at all, its just removing all the extra features people added because vrchat ether "cant find a way to implement them" due to technical issues, or never have enough time... i feel like if they just worked on their game before removing all of the communities progress first, there wouldnt be nearly as much backlash.

[barren whale]

i'm bout to check if cvr has recovered from the vrchat exodus hug of death

[limber steeple]

Vrchat pls don't do this😢

[vocal shard]

Looks great on the S21 though!

[worn raft]

lets see how long it is until someone tries to port every rusk avatar ever to it and fucking explodes the server rack

[shy nest]

ChilloutVr gained over 100-200% player increase since this post.

[empty flint]

honestly even if this update wasnt a thing, I'd still be less active on VRChat
due to drama in the past I've dealt with or witnessed on VRChat probably tainted my motivation to go on VRChat as much as I used to, I dont even remember last time I touched my VR headset when Im not working on models whilst chatting to people in VRChat, not sure if it's bad memories that still linger (cant even touch most of my fav worlds where I met the people who were involved with the drama and even hurt me cause of this) or Im just fear of coming across a new group and history repeats..

[spice scaffold]

i just want my captions, tts and performance mods so i can actually interact with people and run the game. but no, guess not anymore

[barren whale]

i hope they bring over all the Mints too. idk VRChat isn't making changes for us anymore, it's doing it for investors

[soft wren]

Considering whats happening, I don't think investors are happy right now

[worn raft]

we gotta be careful with how fast we funnel shit over, i dont think cvr’s servers could handle parting the red sea like this

[tawny frigate]

bruh i dont wanna learn how to make avatars in a new program, i think chillout vr is neat and all, but isnt their game also barely even a game? Its just as unfinished as vrchat, cant anyone make a good quality vr game with community support? Where tf are you mark zukker mans.

[empty flint]

ye I am making a world I've spent months working on for VRChat, it was a way to make a "fresh new start", have my own hangout/hub world to chillout and meet people or hangout with old friends, but something makes me fear those people who have hurt me will taint my poor world with the bad memories like they have with my other favourite worlds

[spice scaffold]

they wont be, with all of the VRC+ cancellations that have happened in under 24 hours

[onyx mantle]

They honestly should've just done the portal lock and not the other half of the update then they would've not been in this mess because I hated having to drop a friends+ portal in a random lobby and have someone random run into said portal and my being like who the heck are you

[barren whale]

i doubt it will effect much in the long run tbh. but I do hope it gives other vr social platforms a boost. cvr def needs content creators, and people to enjoy stuff

[worn raft]

learns unity shit just to port good hatsune miku models to cvr

[vocal shard]

I don't know about Chillout but importing to Neos is actually easier than VRChat

[empty flint]

I didnt rewew VRC+ way before the update happened but thats due to not affording it atm, I only brought it for the extra favourites, though I wish they didnt limit extra favourites to VRC+ only, at least give non VRC+ users more favourites and better yet expand the slots like they have with worlds which I remember was 25 per section, now it's 64 per section for worlds

[umbral reef]

Fun fact. Neos is ran by a crypto bro that almost ruined the game because the community wanted less crypto bullshit.

So know what your supporting

[heady vine]

Is chillout vr on steam? :vrcThinking:

[worn raft]

yees

[worldly seal]

adding EAC to vrchat is probably the worst idea ever.

[empty flint]

yep, free too apparently

[vocal shard]

@empty flint The recent menu is effectively more favorites already.

@umbral reef as far as I can tell, Frooxius never really cared much about the crypto token and it was really pushed by one of the hyper cryptobros in their publisher.

[heady vine]

Thank you 💙

[umbral reef]

One of the lead devs that had almost full end control wanted it extremely badly

[worn raft]

holy shit its all might, and he’s fucking based

[onyx mantle]

I agree with you they should have just done the portal lock and not have people running into the friends+ portal you just dropped

[worn raft]

me: drops a friends+ portal

11 year old in the green toothbrush thing model calling me the n word: 🏃

[umbral reef]

Yeah never managed to get into the game. I'm already fought with unity for my life, i ain't gonna struggle to learn a whole damn programming language that's visual based and has to be done ingame

[vocal shard]

Neos would probably have more luck if it was designed more in a Garry's Mod kind of way rather than the current dev focus.

Since it is the closest thing that we'll ever get to Garry's Mod 2

[tawny frigate]

ive played alot of neos before, made avatars in the game too, and honestly it is very very different, and at times clumsy. Its a pain in the ass having the juggle everything you are using to build a model in real time in the game, i mean dont get me wrong it makes you feel cool putting materials and matcaps and stuff on your future new you in real time with adjustable lighting and crap, but still an easy mess to happen. Its sweet though, all the tutorials ingame are provided to you via helpful videos on a media player you can spawn anywhere you want, since there is a pretty indepth inventory system.

[strange notch]

Sounds like you don't know about s&box

[fossil idol]

Sounds interesting creepy vampire goblin serving the skeleton man

[umbral reef]

Imo unless an non ingame way to do anything gets added it's just not worth it for most

[vocal shard]

s&box is not ready for prime time yet and has nowhere near the power that Neos gives you

[strange notch]

Smh it's not even released

[empty flint]

one of my best friends that showed me around VRChat when I first joined is gonna look in to CVR
I cant remember the last time me and her actively hanged out on VRChat honestly

[spice scaffold]

aside from being upset that vrchat isnt going to be accessible to me anymore without mods (im disabled and need a few to help me communicate), but im okay thank you. hope your day is going okay

[vocal shard]

Neos has too much power, they basically wrapped the Unity editor with a frontend. This also makes it very frustrating to do many "basic" things.

[umbral reef]

To be fair in amazed cvr is even still up with how quickly it's communities dies after VRC does stuff like this
Wondering if it's gonna take one or two months for there to be 10 daily active users again

[tawny frigate]

yeah id like to be able to use a keyboard and mouse when putting things together in that game, since, again... making characters or your world in a 3d space is awesome feeling, but its just sooo much more time consuming for no real reason besides being able to say "whoaaa i built this whole thing ingame!" kinda feel. Honestly if i were to choose, id probably go with chillout vr, but thats just because i never got a chance to really play that one and id like to see potential and a community grow.

[empty flint]

like we still chat on Discord but I cant remember the last time we've hanged out on VRChat at all honestly, I miss the times we'd hangout and work on stuff together and show each other our things, whilst occasionally sitting in public worlds watching shenanigans unfold without underage squeakers screaming offensive shit down everyone's poor ears

[umbral reef]

People don't realize cvr has a lot of deep rooted problems VRC fixed years ago and you don't even realize anymore.
Sure it runs better on launch and camera settings are boosted by default instead of having to manually tweak them.

[strange notch]

S&box is in source 2 so if you don't like unity you use s&box if you do you use neos

[vocal shard]

Can you describe these, I have never played Chillout

In vrc or cvr? Bc the vrchat hacks are false information

[onyx mantle]

Would cvr be able to work on the quest 2?

[grim path]

The presence of squeakers on vrc really detracts from the fun of the game

[umbral reef]

Performance problems when your long in the game, server instability, some overhead programs taking up a lot of performance while playing.

The dev team is stupidly small, they had it easier because they arrived later then VRC and had better starting tools but the game slowed down a lot with updates

[empty flint]

yep
I cant remember the last time I can sit in a public world watching chaos unfold for like 2+ hours without them screaming down your ear with sexual or offensive slurs

[fossil idol]

Arent mod teams even smaller?

[olive kettle]

Beep

[vocal shard]

Just block the squeakers lol I understand you don't like kids but just pressing mute or block isn't that hard

[vocal shard]

My issue isn't with Unity. The problem is Neos wraps the Unity editor making some trivial tasks in the editor a complete PITA. You can't just open up the Unity editor to fix something that would be trivial to do so. There are like several important tools that you constantly have to switch through because it's not like you have a menu bar where you can select a gizmo. It's especially frustrating if you're on desktop and not in VR.

On the flip side, you can directly do a Blender import and set up a full avatar in a couple of minutes. And it will look substantially better than how it looks in VRChat.

[warped halo]

Been on vrchat for two hours no problems so far

[umbral reef]

Let's say there are 50 mod teams out there. Take a small number like 2 per team and you got a lot of people working on things

[grim path]

I wish they had sort of enforceable age thing, its not even that their annoying, its that this is absolutely not the game kids should be playing lol. What are their parents doing..

[spice scaffold]

closed captions and sound mods that help me isolate certain voices to hear better, speech to text and text to speech, but i also use a lot of performance mods so my pc doesnt explode. i dont remember the names for everything tho, sorry

[vocal shard]

That could be good but I also feel we shouldn't exclude children, maybe make age limited worlds and worlds for everyone or something of the sort

[vocal shard]

I thought Chillout had a lot better performance in worlds with a large number of players? VRChat starts to border on unplayable on lobbies with more than ~20 people (although generally this is because of too many materials hitting draw call limits)

[empty flint]

I dont hate kids, never said I hated kids
I can hate adults as much as a kid if they ever decided to be jerks, had my fair share of toxic adults over my time playing VRChat, but blocking every kid just cause their parents cant look after them properly sounds like a lot of work, almost like trying to get rid of a cockroach infestation

[fossil idol]

Yeah… I wonder why they cant work together and just transfer their specific codes into the game without the bad things. I mean its been a few months since PhysBones. Why are we only getting Portals specific to friends or public… as well as some website links shit

[warped halo]

Minecraft adding modders to their game is a good example

[vocal shard]

I understand your frustration, and I wasn't trying to sound mean <3

[empty flint]

treating Quest headsets like they're a new mobile phone, thats what 👀 💦

[fossil idol]

If the modders really wanna help the game. Then actually let them use it. Instead they’d rather make money on something illegal and not helping at all.

Minecraft is different in that its singleplayer or make a own server for mods. You dont do that on vrchat.

[leaden agate]

it depends on the players content. when 40 unoptimized avis are running around, you wont notice much of a difference between the games

[fluid bear]

Dear Vrchat players, do not get on vrchat, it’s gaining time and you are losing your time on it, please get ChilloutVR! It’s a free platform on steam where you can chill and talk with your friends.

[umbral reef]

Small numbers? Fuck yes for sure when they had a version of physic bones and VRC only had there old jank bones.

Large numbers still killed anyone's PC for sure if any mirror was close. Sheesh my PC hated cvr mirrors

[grim path]

Lol, quest does bring access to the game to a lot of younger people, but my friends also got into vr with the quest so...

[warped halo]

I hate kids in vrchat but i cant block them esp when we are all in a game together. Theyre all racist to me and tell me to go to the feilds or say n word

[barren whale]

i've been getting super high fps on cvr personally. was getting 100-120 in a voidclub with 12 people in it

[empty flint]

okey, understandable ^^ sorry about that as well, I guess cause I feel I may come across to someone that hates kids to some people when age doesnt matter to me, if one's toxic I wont wanna hangout with them, even adults

[fossil idol]

Do you often run into player made avatars with many awful shaders?

[vocal shard]

People tend to seriously underestimate how long it takes to get these things into a game. Neos had 10 point tracking much much earlier than VRChat, much much earlier but FBT in the game was and still is a pain in the ass to setup and the IK looks awful by comparison, especially if you're not using full body.

[vocal shard]

I understand

[umbral reef]

It takes months for a normal team to produce content properly when scaling up. This gets amplified when it's such a special development environment as VRC has.
The big stuff like the bones and ik2 are examples of new stuff after the hire push.

So big odds we will finally het new stuff faster

[spice scaffold]

would have been nice of them to look into it and add features before locking us out of the game and restricting our access, knowing so many different disabled people rely on mods.

[barren whale]

idk if they had awful shaders or not but the game seems like it runs like butter. though i think their server refresh rate on player counts and stuff is broken. idk if it's cause a bunch of people they didn't expect jumped in or if it's normally like this

[empty flint]

the reason I compared it to mobile phones cause yes, mobile phones offers good stuff like contacting emergencies, keeping in touch with your buddies and introducing them to all sorts of things

then you have parents who give kids mobile phones without trying to teach them to use the mobile phone sensibly like for emergencies rather than using them for things they shouldnt see at their age

[grim path]

That makes sense

[fossil idol]

But when you take cameras which someone said was a mod. Would it be difficult to transfer those over to the camera page unchanged? Or Avatar search added, except only for vrc+ and wont show Avatars in private worlds or that are set as private…?
Why are 100 avatars for vrc+ while for worlds you already have a shit ton of favories. And no extra with vrc+…

[vocal shard]

the downfall of vrc

[spice scaffold]

i'd love to get back into the game, since socialising outside is difficult for me for a lot of reasons. chilloutvr might be where i go, but idk.

[umbral reef]

Most mods so far I understand are pieces of code developed around vrchats code.
Not odd seeing how they don't have the source code.

Adding them directly would be like ducktaping pieces to your car instead of proper steel bolts. It works i guess?

[fossil idol]

As long as it works till they can change it to be better. Its atleast something? The game is still fricking open beta so

[umbral reef]

As for why they didn't do the other stuff first? Fuck i know, that's why I'm salty too.

Some half assed explanation blogpost is neat and better then like 2018 stuff but sheesh it's still lame

[grim path]

I wonder now that mods are done for how i would increase my fps in vr cus it gets hella laggy in the pug,
I have a 3080 and get like 30 fps on those instances

[fossil idol]

As long as its open beta. Who cares if its full of bugs and just taped onto the game. Betas get bug fixes over time and small changes. We shouldnt have to wait for big updates once every half year.

[umbral reef]

It's a lot better to not rush these things and do them good the first time. Saves a lot of future work.

A major problem now I'd that every update an insane flood of users report problems that are 100% mod related. This won't change if VRC doesn't properly develop these systems

[tacit wigeon]

safety settings, or reduce resolution

[spice scaffold]

the ableism in gen-1 over disabled users having to use mods. like damn, do people not see the problem with disabled people having to mod the game? we shouldnt even need to. smh.

[vocal shard]

One way to think about it is kicking the can doesn't really change anything because as they add more features to the client, the mod creators will also expand their scope. So there will always be some feature that is available via mods not in the game.

[fossil idol]

They promised a lot years ago and we have barely gotten any of it tho… Since 2017 there hasnt been that many big updates to really change the game experience

[tacit wigeon]

uh, udon pretty cool

[patent sedge]

How longs the delay here?

[grim path]

Is there no other way than this? I have avatar effects and stuff off other than for friends, but i also wouldnt like flat out turning off ppls avatars. And i can barely read text as it is with the highest resolution on my rift s, reducing the resolution any further i wouldnt be able to see anything lol

[vocal shard]

Just last year there has been PhysBones, IK 2.0, and OSC. All of which are huge updates. There was the VRC CC, and they're now officially supporting UdonSharp. All of this are last year alone.

[umbral reef]

And blindly following what mod cliënt makers want also isn't always the same as what VRC has in vision for there game

Major reworks of core things have happened akito. Udon, ik2, osc, bones, performance updates left and right. New ui is half way there

[fossil idol]

My friend phys bones was this year

[tawny frigate]

realistically we cant be expecting them to actually release this update though.... right? I mean idk alot about game development... but normally when your entire official server for your game, and like 2k+ reviews on steam all within the first two days of suggesting a potential update are all very critical and negative, you DONT fall through with the update and rethink stuff..... RIGHT???

[patent sedge]

thanks never knew XD

[mental sigil]

facts

[vocal shard]

Yes that's what I meant. All of this was this year.

[versed kraken]

Care to explain why?

[fossil idol]

I just think that. They should not do this update. They should implement mod features that make people stop using mods. Not force people to stop using mods and then make them also wait years for small features to be done

[tacit wigeon]

idk, most of the userbase is quest, which mod banning only affects them positively, getting rid of crashers, right?

@grim path i guess dont go t pug lmao it's always been laggy.. even with a 3080 and rift s' low res, sheesh

[umbral reef]

Crashers don't really use clients. It does impact some of them though but minimal

[supple dragon]

... Anyone bump into any hackers?

[versed kraken]

Furries and zoophiles BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE

[zinc swift]

im worried soo much about vrc...

[eternal charm]

Goddamn it why is it everytime someone brings up furries its mistaking them for zoophiles. It simply isnt what they do

[grim path]

dayum

[tawny frigate]

well consider this... if maybe the vrchat team actually develops all of the features that people want from clients, the people who use safe clients will be content and uninstall them, at that point they can dish out EAC, since at that point all thats left are people who ACTUALLY want to go out of their way to hurt others. Not saying itll be easy, but i feel like they are doing this too soon.

[coral mirage]

There will still be crasher avatars

[versed kraken]

That furries exist but shouldnt have the right to be

[umbral reef]

Sure but at the same time we don't know how close most of those things are for release. Who knows they are only a few weeks away and they want this out first for dev reasons.
Hard for us to say

[fluid bear]

!online

[vocal shard]

The biggest culprit behind bad performance is submeshes.

Basically, every material slot on a mesh creates a submesh. Submeshes that are not batch rendered generate a minimum of one draw call. Since avatars tend to be unique and no one turns on "GPU instancing" anyway, that means every material slot is one draw call. But that's just in worlds without lighting. Worlds with lighting generate one additional draw call per submesh, and shaders with many channels can generate many additional draw calls. Particularly bad avatars with 100 material slots likely generate 200-300 draw calls minimum. If the shaders they are using does not support single pass stereo, that's also doubled in VR. The recommended number of draw calls in DX11 is around 2500, and after about 7500 draw calls, your renderer will slow to a crawl.

[grim path]

Draw calls huh, is there a way to limit this?

[umbral reef]

Sheesh someone actually knows there stuff

@grim path optimize your avatars and stop using poor ones

[vocal shard]

Not from in game, you can use the Unity profiler to check how many draw calls your avatar is generating before upload.

[keen rover]

that wont work

[molten apex]

The name plate has 6-7 draw calls on its own, depending on vrc+ Pic

[grim path]

So is it my own avatar that causes the issues?

[eternal charm]

I find it really dumb they wanna destroy all mods to get rid of crash clients even though most crashers use avatars not clients, the anticheat is literally useless to that

[tawny frigate]

sooo... atlas the fkn textures? and mask for matcaps and emissions? Its just because people are too stupid to know how to optimize anything they make, since everything is fucking mashed together in this damn community when it comes to "custom avatars"

[versed kraken]

The furry community is one of the most supportive ones out there. Sure there are the AD parts but those exist in every other community

[empty flint]

I remember I was mocked in a My Hero Academia world for having a character thats some anthro animal
they called me a "furry" (disclaimer I dont consider myself one just cause of a freaking character I happen to have) yet they linger in a world for an anime that also has anthro animals LOL

[keen rover]

i saw lol i can see things are still crazy from yesterday

[vocal shard]

Yeah disabling name plates make an appreciable difference in performance in worlds with a lot of people. Although some of that should be batched.

[fossil idol]

Thats why they should have kept mods until those release… because of things like this

[umbral reef]

It's part of the problem. If everyone has an upoptimized avatar the game runs like shit.

If everyone has a good performing avatf the game runs like butter.
Having a 40 player room, nothing blocked, all medium and higher rates avatars without major fps drops isn't special

[merry pagoda]

Huh

[grim path]

Damn i see, maybe ill turn off very poor avatars then

[vocal shard]

It can be a pain in the ass to do this and I suspect people with 100+ material slots genuinely don't realize this causes so many issues because on the editor they only have like a few hundred draw calls, in a world with 20 people, that jumps to a few thousand draw calls and you start having problems.

[marble gale]

This chain is never going to end, will it?

[magic gate]

100%, turn off very poor, and disable animations/shaders for most people when in publics

[umbral reef]

Imo anything above medium fully passes the vibe check
The difference above that is small enough to not really care.

[grim path]

I recently just started playing the game again and i have no avatars lol.. is it worth it to learn how to make my own or should i just grab some from online

[molten apex]

Go the additional route of using custom safety settings to hide profile pics. They are each a 1024 texture and load into vram even if nameplates are hidden.
Got a 20 fps boost in Fynn's club during furality, packed with 60 just from that custom safety setting.

[merry pagoda]

Jeez

[main slate]

smh

[fossil idol]

Booth has amazing avatars if you can learn how to use a small bit of unity Nyanner 2.0

[versed kraken]

Fur meets be like 90%poor and below xD

[magic gate]

got me curious, I'll have to try that myself next time I hop into a club world

[grim path]

Ill look that up
Ty everybody

[eternal charm]

If its about the money with installing that anti cheat then vrchat doesnt deserve anything more than death, true friendships and relationships were made on this game. Normal people and those who are disabled. If they want to sacrifice all those relationships between thousands just for the money, vrchat isnt a game i want to back. It sucks because i love the game with all my heart but the game is borderline unplayable without performance mods unless you have the damn google supercomputer

[vocal shard]

Furality was very bad, I initially tried leaving everything enabled and that turned out to be a mistake. My game struggled to even load anything in one meetup where there were 80 people somehow in one lobby.

[tawny frigate]

Well if everything they make is from scratch theres no need to atlas since you'd just UV map everything on one layer to keep it simple from the beginning, and if that does not work, Cats blender plugin provides a free atlasing tool that just does all the work for you if its not your own work, and you dont want to rebuild all the textures and UVs by hand. theres no excuse for people to be lazy about optimizing material count.

[molten apex]

One instance demanded a whopping 16 gb of vram
But I wanted to hide avatars as a last resort

[magic gate]

yeah, just gotta get into the habit of showing avatar on people you talk to

[grim path]

Good thing i took a blender class in high school lmao, maybe that will finally be useful

[versed kraken]

I couldn't agree more to this

I started my vrc adventure a year an a half ago, bad depression at that time. Two suicise attempts already. I met so many amazing people in that time, some of them had experienced similar things and we started talking about things. Those ppl are the main reason why I'm still here and got through my depression

[vocal shard]

The problem is people generally don't setup avatars in Blender, and Blender is a somewhat obtuse tool. Another issue is when you look at how those 100+ material avatars look like, you see a ton of them have very specific non-photoreal effects that tend to generate additional draw calls that they only want on like one object, you can't really put that in when you atlas the textures.

[tawny frigate]

Literally just go watch youtube videos, i make characters for vrchat literally every day and i started off not knowing how to model a low poly knife for my crappy dining scene. It might sound lame, but practice actually does go a long way here.

[soft wren]

Donut tutorial.

[grim path]

God damn, every day, thats some commitment. My friend makes a ton of his own avatars too so maybe ill also ask him for help haha. It definitely isnt lame to make ur own stuff

[tacit wigeon]

donut

[vocal shard]

Simply convincing people to crunch their textures would already be a big improvement over the status quo since I have friends with avatars with half the submeshes with over double my upload size.

[eternal charm]

I suffer from psychological breaks and my mind freezes often under stress, my friends are able to help me because they understand me properly. They are the best people i know and to have to go from such a pristine way of a decent running game with all sorts of QoL improvements to standard vrchat is simply too much to handle, i turned off my mods as to not be banned and booted up the game vanilla, it was the worst experience of vrchat i have had in months

[fossil idol]

My first time I used a model from booth and made lots of changes. But from scratch. Be ready to make body shapes and create bones.
I would highly reccommend a base in general as long as they’re allowed to use on vrchat or be edited (its in the ToS of product or rules bellow it)

[grim path]

Does crunching textures mean turning all the different materials into one UV map? That definitely sounds like it would optimize things

[fossil idol]

Crunching is just a check box on the texture to make it run better on your model for other users.

[dim cloud]

aint aspergers an outdated term?

[eternal charm]

It pains my heart to have to see my favourite game spiral into the cesspit that this update is bringing. We dont deserve to be slapped with the ban hammer just for wanting extra comfort and performance in a social game with not an ounce of competition in sight

[tawny frigate]

my start for blender was never actually the doughnut tutorial, tbh my biggest drive when i began was just getting a new main since i feared my currant one would be taken down due to the owners account being suspended or something, just wanted that safety net and have something i could call my own. But now im horribly addicted to making new characters and im never content with being in one avatar... I cant stop making a new "main" every other month, and ether before i refine it, or before i even play the game in it all that much, i end up starting a new project all over again. I cant even count how many ive made now... its been 2 years since i started lmao.

[grim path]

Yeah i will probably use a base baha

[severe rune]

hey

[true mauve]

It’s like world war three m8
Craps going crazy
The trees are speaking

[fossil idol]

There are many on booth that are kinda similar style to your pfp so shouldnt be too hard. Use different hair, edit the color on texture. New clothes. Can do lots

[slow berry]

i mean what did they really update? all they did was drop eac into their backend.

[vocal shard]

There's no performance impact for the record, but it reduces upload sizes quite substantially based on how heavily you crunch them.

[dim cloud]

you sure?
Asperger syndrome (AS), also known as Asperger's, was the name of a neurodevelopmental disorder no longer recognised as a diagnosis in itself, having been merged into autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

[grim path]

So its like compression

[eternal charm]

Bruh i can tell you right now the devs are knees deep in crap for this update and i hope they are ready for the business fund to run dry from how many people pulled out their vrc+ accounts

[fossil idol]

If the upload size is smaller then it does help performance since its not big to load…?

[dim cloud]

never said that, i said it was an outdated term 💀 ofc it didn't stop existing

[warped halo]

3 hours in vrchat no problems

[vocal shard]

Networking is performance intensive so you spend less time downloading stuff, also lower memory usage.

[leaden agate]

if you are crunch compressing its literally only DL size, but the texture itself is still getting uncompressed in vram, so using proper max size resolution on textures is the key

[true mauve]

It’s world war 3 😂
Just in a discord sever

[tacit wigeon]

all this fear mongering is so familiar and tiring, g'night chat

[dim cloud]

apparently theres gonna be a purge later so if you're on quest, good luck

[grim path]

Yeah its nowhere like this in game lol, all of this drama is just on the discord, also gn

[leaden edge]

No theres not

[true mauve]

Good night have a good sleep

[dim cloud]

fair enough then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal charm]

My question is, can i currently as of right now run my mods without being immediately kicked to death by the anticheat

[tacit wigeon]

❤️

[true mauve]

Purge for quest? For what 😂😂

[leaden edge]

Currently yes. The EAC isn't on live yet. Although they stated it going to live fairly quickly

[grim path]

The update isnt implemented yet, you still can im pretty sure. Also it doesnt kick you but instead just prevents the game from launching

[acoustic sluice]

Banned my buddy

[eternal charm]

Figuratively kicking me to death implying ban or suspension

[broken plover]

no

[grim path]

Thats a little dramatic lol

[obtuse tartan]

So vrchat on the steam deck

[echo gust]

an elevator speech ?

[dim cloud]

what? eac supports linux, not many devs turn it on though.

[obtuse tartan]

See issue is i bought a index im not giving steam 300

[eternal charm]

I actually do think that getting in touch with the actual news will bring a lot of attention to the blasphemy at hand here, think of all the disabled people having to go without their aids (actual helpful aids not the std) that story would explode and cause everywhere on twitter to get involved

[limber steeple]

Think I'll play some zenith tomorrow. Lolol

[dim cloud]

damn, thats kind of an L on their part 💀

[echo gust]

elevator speech is more of a 15 second long tldr, i guess what you mean would prob just be called an intro? idk if there's a specific word

[obtuse tartan]

damn theres a tweet now?

[limber steeple]

Someone told me they lost like 10k subs. Idk how anyone would know what so probably not the right number

[wet thorn]

The devs shouldn’t of even announced the security update should of been a silent update just to avoid chaos

[echo gust]

wait did you mean a rhetorical question ?

[tawny frigate]

Just gonna hope that vrchats team makes the right choice in maybe delaying EAC a bit, making the progressive changes everyone wants, and then maybe trying EAC after, would hate to see all the quality of life changes we get from mods taken before they even try to add them to the game. Anyways, Gn eveyone, keep the ranting up while im gone. Thanks.

[limber steeple]

That would have probably been even worse lol

[marble scroll]

!online

[pulsar tiger]

It's been like 16+ hours since they dropped that info and everything is still on fire

[grim path]

So like a hook?

[elder depot]

they've been banned for years tho

[obtuse tartan]

So you cant use the 3 lettered thing cause its not permitted cause its a illegal item in vrc

[pulsar tiger]

Everything is on fire. Discord, Twitter, even the subreddit... This is a mess. The only mods I've used are QoL mods. Like come on VRC, you can't be THAT tone deaf...

[echo gust]

don't forget the steam reviews

[grim path]

At least the game itself aint on fire heh, everyone still going on as usual in there

[patent siren]

just added my negative review to it lol

[pulsar tiger]

It's going to be once those performance fixing mods are banned XD

[patent siren]

they're scared of people cheating in murder 4!!!!! come on now!!11!1

no they're just lazy and dont want to actually fix their shit

[grim path]

Well at least that wont happen until the update happens, which depends on the devs reaction to the outrage

[raven cargo]

I have chronic heart failure due to a severe and rare heart condition i have. I have gone through many surgeries and currently waiting on a heart transplant VRC means so much for me for my social life. i cannot live without it im currently using mods to have a heart bypass to keep it beating. if you get rid of mods you will get rid of my bypass. you will get rid of iny life support. dont kill an innocent person. i will die if you add SAC. if you dont remove it i will die soon, nor will i take my medication. dont be responsible for a young soul like me 💔
)

[sleek crater]

i enjoy nigeria

[patent siren]

vrchat down? 💀

[grim path]

I give it a 50/50 that they will delay the update, or they will just push it

[raven cargo]

I have chronic heart failure due to a severe and rare heart condition i have. I have gone through many surgeries and currently waiting on a heart transplant VRC means so much for me for my social life. i cannot live without it im currently using mods to have a heart bypass to keep it beating. if you get rid of mods you will get rid of my bypass. you will get rid of iny life support. dont kill an innocent person. i will die if you add SAC. if you dont remove it i will die soon, nor will i take my medication. dont be responsible for a young soul like me 💔

[limber steeple]

They want to make you pay for those qol things when they come out in vrc+

[fossil idol]

The fact that people are trying to dox or some shit to the creators is so dumb and shows how the fanbase doesn't deserve... what they want? You should do it respectfully man...

[patent siren]

they will push it then 90% of the players on pc will just never touch it again when they realise the game will not launch lol

[grim path]

Nice bait lmfao

[hallow terrace]

@lucid osprey ',:)

[obtuse tartan]

Cursed

[full sail]

Won't lie, part of me is qmazed that general1 is still flying to a near-similar degree as yesterday evening

[lucid osprey]

;)

[echo gust]

as in, is EAC gonna do anything about them ? cuz it isn't lol

[fossil idol]

You have to pay for some clients so...?

[solar tartan]

its really stupid to be blocking the active source of bug resolving from modders, they literally work harder to fix the game than vrc’s devteam

[grim path]

People are upset, change is difficult for many

[pulsar tiger]

I get that development costs $$$ but there are better ways of doing this. For example, how about hiring the mod devs then implementing those QoL mods as features? This isn't rocket science.

Listen VRC, your community is your greatest asset and now you've just nuked that. Great fricken job.

[limber steeple]

Never used a paid client so

[echo gust]

i'd say 90% of people hate them

[grim path]

Well its already free, so its hard to complain lol, sometimes things will just be the way they are

[echo gust]

best we can do is boycott the game until we get a response, not like i can play it anyways rn cuz holidays, but yeah

[hexed quarry]

#pushtheupdate

[regal furnace]

i bought that back in 2013 💀
plus in minecraft you can simply play older versions

[grim path]

This

[fossil idol]

and modded...

[patent sable]

I haven't kept up with vrc for the past month or so due to irl things. So they're basically making it to where qol mods get you banned?
I haven't read it yet, just from what I'm reading from people, sorry I'm so out of the loop

[obtuse tartan]

In the past couple months ive learned if your opinion does not match the status quo then you get bent over and railed

[regal furnace]

modded mc is best

[grim path]

I think minecraft update is because microsoft wanted to appease their greasy stockholders

But this vrc update doesnt seem very money driven tbh

[fossil idol]

Simple Voice Mod + Create Mod = Best survival server

[quaint forge]

Breaking news, Minecraft implementing EAC and banning mods

[regal furnace]

we need create 1.5 for fabric already

[echo gust]

they're gonna add EAC anticheat, which will make performance worse, ban you for any use of modified versions of the game (qol or useful stuff too)

[grim path]

Its an optics thing lol, quite important for big companies, in the end its about what stockholders think will happen, not what actually happens.

[umbral reef]

Performance impact is extremely minimal with how it works and they dont ban people for anything, the game just wont launch.
Stop parroting information that is plain wrong.

[junior grail]

Is it safe to be in priv lobbies? My bf just got vr and I want to show him the game but with the crashing I worry itll ruin his first experience.

[fossil idol]

They removed mods n shit for VRC because this year they've started adding things from those modded clients. It will take time, but more is gonna keep coming

[regal furnace]

yes

[twin tusk]

Is the update out yet? I haven’t been in vrc yet for the last days

[grim path]

Yes hopefully they do, especially performance updates

[echo gust]

so it just keeps you from launching the game ? damn guess that's what happens when i get my info from the general 1 chat lol

[soft helm]

So how are you able to type here now? Sound a bit sus

[fossil idol]

So PhysBones was them not caring about the community? We got that this year. Now we're also getting private friend portals. These and more are things from clients. Tell me how this is not for the community. Please fuck off

[umbral reef]

Jup, if you read the blogpost they made you would have known this.
As a reminder- Almost all of this community is peak dumb and only repeats false information without actually knowing whats going on. The team explains things clearly in blog posts so its always smart to get your info from only there.

[grim path]

A lot of the ways in which the modern world operates is quite stupid and backwards but what can we do about it lol. Its all about the people with deep pockets in the end

[marble plume]

By pushing out (banning) qol mods that support our friends with certain disabilities.

This definitely has split the community

[umbral reef]

Ah those greedy evil corpo people of VRchat running the game for free for years! And only adding a optional subscription model that does not impact the gameplay for most!
Such greed that they give us all these things for free

[mystic matrix]

Here from Twitter rant WHATS GOOOD

[fluid quail]

Is general 2 the good channel or is it still people being annoying in here

[pulsar tiger]

Don't get this wrong, those were definitely good things and we should commend them for that BUT if the community has been asking for the QoL mods to be implemented as features for FAR longer, then that's being tone deaf.

[regal furnace]

its the chad channel

[echo gust]

not being able to use clients at all will still be a pain in the butt, looking for avatars will be way more difficult now

[grim path]

Yeah like i said vrc team doesnt seem super money driven, if they were they would have added microtransactions and shit lmfao

[olive jewel]

hi

[fluid quail]

Yes they do

[umbral reef]

Oh no- Anyway, its hot outside.

[marble plume]

This

[soft helm]

Like actually going to worlds and probably see interesting things from creator instead of just typing it?

[fossil idol]

People with certain disabilities as I can understand are... Mutes who use pens, Deaf people who also use pens and hand language. Which others are there that need clients? Why would Blind people play VRChat if its a social game for visual conversations. You'd be talking on discord.
What does autistic people need from clients anyway?

[charred blade]

yeah

[steady trench]

☝️

[lofty latch]

cheese

[fluid quail]

Well they do

[umbral reef]

Blind isnt like see nothing, it can be bad of sight for example.
Im 'blind' on one eye, i cant see blobs with it but would not be able to function with just that eye

[marble plume]

Audio limiters for sound triggers, moveable menus for people that can't sit up correctly/for lengths of time

[soft helm]

Would but work is in the way, keep that spot warm for me

[twin tusk]

So can anyone tell me what they would remove when the update comes up cause I haven’t heard much of mods so I am questioning what mods are used a lot rn.

[ornate warren]

Boo

[fossil idol]

You have sit and stand option + OVR for sit/standing. Audio limiters for sound triggers. You have the mute button and sound settings, what do you need?
and for Oclac's point. If theres something wrong with the eyes then wouldnt you be needing some VR settings from a steam software instead of a Client for VRChat

[steady trench]

Ayo? 👉 👈 cuddle puddle? 👀

[charred blade]

👉👈

[ornate warren]

Can someone get on vr chat and criticize my edited avi? ((User Daddy_eclipse

I need advice

[umbral reef]

Oh for damn sure, plenty of alternatives for most people that are not mods.
But they do work less good or take more effort to get going what for sure sucks.

But its not the be all end all they are claiming it to be- Its just an hurdle they first didnt have

[echo gust]

looking up the name of the character directly gives 10 times more results than typing it in avatar worlds, especially cuz some avatar worlds have avatars from multiple games and don't have each name in the title, so you can't find it easily

[fossil idol]

I really dont understand it. sometimes you just have to ask Google and Youtube and they will 100% have a great alternative

[regal furnace]

maybe the avatar was designed for the creator and his friends or something?

[pulsar tiger]

What about the performance mods for those who don't have pcs strong enough to run vrc reliably? I know several people who run those fixes and performance mods who wouldn't be able to play without those mods.

[frosty cipher]

any more goofy aah thins going on?

[grim path]

Yes

[limber steeple]

Yeah not being able to search avatars is going to suck. Loved searching when I was bored

[umbral reef]

The blocking avatars that are far away mod thingy is valid as fuck and they better add that soon >:C
Past that, most of the mods barely do anything special really

[fossil idol]

Safety settings work great for this you see.

[warped halo]

Must be better to play now than anything its just questies online and i met a hacker who said everything is fine ig

[echo gust]

it only shows public avatars so not really an issue

[frosty cipher]

💀

[coral current]

I mean some of them I hear help with those with certain disabilities

[regal furnace]

how else would you share an avatar?
thats the fastestt and easiest way

[fossil idol]

Dont ask right now. The server is a warzone

[umbral reef]

Most things can be still done with default ingame tools. Its just that the community went staight for the mods instead of VRC provided options.

[pulsar tiger]

Yeah and guess what, those only work if you're able to freaking LAUNCH the game. That's the point I'm trying to make.

@umbral reef and yes they better add that. I use a couple of UI mods that are just QoL mods.

[fossil idol]

If you launch the game you're in a private world with nobody in it?
If you cant launch the game how the hell do you afford VR and not small pc upgrades? a 600-700 usd pc is enough to play VR on 60 fps

[tidal spoke]

60 fps vr is not fun

[atomic stream]

I spend 200 for vrc+ are u proud of me now

[quaint forge]

“Can’t run Vr? Why mod when you should just be spending hundreds of dollars!”

[pulsar tiger]

I'm not saying that I personally can't run the game, I'm saying that I know other people who need those mods to run the game in vr with any semblance of "smoothness". Now you're being reductionist with your latter argument of spending money. Some people CANNOT AFFORD PC UPGRADES

[fluid quail]

Why should vrchat be different than any other game

[fierce brook]

Has anyone heard about the vrc documentary on hbomax?

[tidal spoke]

Mans on copium trying to defend vrc don’t even bother lol

[haughty elbow]

They added a one min cooldown because they know people hate the update

[molten panther]

you know what's fun. fixing a bug for custom software https://youtu.be/_WDqbF2D8hI

[coral current]

Bro I have a whole ass 2060 and 10th gen i7 and my fans still be spinning faster than the wheels on William Aftons wheelchair

[umbral reef]

Wanna bet 99.9% of all those people claiming performance mods have never touched any steamVR setting in there life or heard of unity launch options

[fossil idol]

Its okay Visible eyed Rem.

And for people who say they cant run VRChat without mods... How the hell did you afford PCVR headset and not a PC upgrade? Like come on for fucks sake The Oculus Quest 2 is right there and cheap. Grow up

[quaint forge]

What kind of mental gymnastics are you jumping through? What does that even mean?

[worn hamlet]

🤡

[echo gust]

might be a problem in those specific cases but being able to find public avatars that aren't in easy to find worlds or stuff like that is worth the downside

[fluid quail]

That wasnt defending on their part it was sarcasm

[mystic matrix]

Why we still ranting were as bad as twitter rn

[tidal spoke]

Wasn’t targeted to them

[umbral reef]

Stop having friends that wear avatars with 2000K drawcalls 💀

[atomic stream]

Hey I never used mods but what are the popular mods and their functions?

[vocal shard]

The Oculus Quest two is $300. Not all of us can afford that...

[pulsar tiger]

I've touched those settings. They DO help, but think about it. A whole ass community coming together and creating fixes is going to do a whole lot more than just fiddling with a couple of settings

[fossil idol]

Buy it used. How did you afford a PCVR headset? they are way more expensive. "Cant run VRChat on my PC" well how the hell did you get a VR headset that is for PC? They cost like 700

[quaint forge]

Crash protection, portable mirrors, camera tools, easy reset, avatar blacklist for the really bad ones, fly, etc

[vocal shard]

Where can I buy it used? Sorry I'm new here

[lunar knoll]

Ebay

[echo gust]

you can get old used pcvr headsets for dirt cheap, the oculus rift and vive still exist ya know

[coral current]

I'm surprised how much calmer this general chat is

[fossil idol]

Where would you sell something you dont want?

[pulsar tiger]

Are you serious? I'm done engaging with you if you cannot understand that some people have BARELY enough money to afford VR because they want to socialize and that this socialization is the only escape for them at the end of the day. Jfc

[grim path]

Man the heat in this channel is reaching general-1 levels

[umbral reef]

Your close to taking the crown of dumbest comment in here but your lucky we had a lot of top tier dumb stuff

@dense cradleCongratz that the only thing you cant change client side! But yell at your favorite world creator to fix it for you as they can! wowie! (but they should still add it in the game normally to be fair)

@pulsar tigerA lot of those fixes just caused problems elsewhere in the game though- A proper solution or the default unity/SteamVR ones dont..

[vocal shard]

The flea market

[fossil idol]

All you tell me is people cant get a part time job for a few months to a single year for a full VR kit. You have the time to play VRChat for hours. Take a break and save up.

[quaint forge]

Because Akito is being an unempathetic piece of shit

[true mauve]

570 over here

[latent obsidian]

^

[vocal shard]

Holy cow! That's a lot of money for sure

[true mauve]

New Zealand brrr I got mine from a shop for 720

[thorny bloom]

Uh he got deleted

[umbral reef]

Only if you can manage to send the photo on that machine-
But my statement still applies, i doubt your doing launch options for unity

[quaint forge]

Oh cool message got deleted, awesome job mods you really do care

[neat tangle]

i just witnessed that in real time damn

[fossil idol]

They're chat mods clearing spam . Sad reality?

[pine obsidian]

yes "We met in Virtual Reality"

[obsidian citrus]

Tf is happenin

[umbral reef]

Stop using stupid as fuck sized avatars
Muting people is an option (and its something worlds can tweak.. go to better worlds)
Good you asked as there are non modded options for that 🙂

[thorny bloom]

For the deaf friends you can make custom animations with messages until some similar comes into the game ^w^

[coral current]

Okay seriously VRC needs to stop deleting the messages without reading them

[pine obsidian]

Yeah Text to speech bubble is what I reply on Closed Caption because I am Deaf.

[pulsar tiger]

Okay that's one of the most ignorant things I've heard so far. "Just get a job"? I know people who cannot physically get a job because they're on disability (they're physically disabled). If you cannot see how reductionist you are then good day to you.

@umbral reef good point but I don't think the average user is going to fiddle around with settings when they could just install a mod that fixes the issues with almost no hassle.

[latent obsidian]

yep, I hope the devs realize at some point to not make the community you created angry at ye for something as dumb as this, deleting what people say isn’t gonna delete the problem you created, that’s the simple conclusion, it’s fuckin childish and not even close to professional to lock down someone’s words like your blackmailing them, that’s just not ok.

[true mauve]

Bruh it’s not that fuckin easy 💀

[umbral reef]

Well time for those poeple to learn themselves! Its how we did it in the VRC community before the mods and guess we are going back to the good old days people claim to love...

@clear marsh Im still sitting outside enjoying the sun so no.
Google and asking the community (when they aint sperging) can help you

[fossil idol]

You telling me Disabeled people dont get money from goverment/the state?

Other than those people. It's just to go down to your local store and ask around if theres available jobs.

[quaint forge]

God Akito is such a dipfuck

[thorny bloom]

One thing that was requested for years now, is the return of the old vrchat loading screen, the one in the space with stars and the piano music, is so nostalgic and good, we want it back pls! At least as an optional feature to switch on off.

[pine obsidian]

Disabled people get job and get money. Like me, I am Deaf and I work at amazon and I get a good money for every friday paycheck.

[grim path]

Man i think some people just need to enjoy things that arent games for a while lol, lotta things to enjoy irl

[coral current]

Okay yeah dude thats a bit of a hot take there.

[pulsar tiger]

I'm done with you. You clearly do not understand what I'm trying to say. There are even others in this VERY CHAT that fucking agree with me. Good day to you.

@umbral reef ehhhh I'll admit that it's easy to learn, but there's a limit. Some people are just not as technically versed in navigating settings.

[pine obsidian]

Yeah i hope so too.

[grim path]

Getting so worked up about a game update, is kinda a waste of energy no?

[pliant kernel]

https://garticphone.com/en/?c=0241e72b9b

[fossil idol]

thats dope

[umbral reef]

Id say barely anyone in this community is with how they think Pc's can die from just working a lot (crashers)

[pastel adder]

I Completely agree. The devs should have done our requests before taking them away. Sort of like how everyone was using that one really good camera thingy on avatars, until the actual camera was semi better than the other thing. And bam, no more use of that one camera thingy (I forget what it's called cause I never used it, only had knowledge from my friends using it)

[latent obsidian]

Like come on devs, you aren’t edgy teenagers i hope, know y’all are better than this cuz, well you managed to create a quest and pc version of dynamic bones, something minor like that is cool, but suppressing what people create in the here and now jus cuz it’s a mod, good or bad, ain’t cool when your feature creation rate is at a snails pace, and all of it probably gonna be behind a pay wall not to mention limiting the good sfw creators like streamers that you are completely fine with and what they can do, most of em use these mods for what they do for a living, and advertise your current dumpster fire of a social game, so come on guys, I know y’all can do better than that.

[obtuse tartan]

You can just heavy caution in pubs due to recent controversies

[thorny bloom]

Another message got deleted...

[fossil idol]

Great. People who agree with you have yet to give me an actual arguement lol same with you. Good day annoyed man

[errant lagoon]

hay the devs are guna be using mods wile we are hit with this

[pastel adder]

Unsure.. just be safe.. (or join the boycott)

[grim path]

Pugs are fine too bro, dont listen to fear mongering. The dramas all on the discord, nothings happening in the game.

[umbral reef]

Seems like the 2a3 options i wanted to provide are not relavant with unity anymore as they flat out removed them
Odds are there are still options out there that impact rendering but harder to find
I havent needed to do this since like 2018 so its been a while

[fossil idol]

Can I send you a message Sir. The cool down is too loong to send messages

[pine obsidian]

Oop, assumed gender

[polar urchin]

it is a spectacular change, love it

[pastel adder]

Dommy mommy could be considered sir. Aha, wink wink.

Jk!

[coral current]

I get why they added the cool down but what exactly was that gonna solve other than reducing the time people spam cancel vrc+ messages and stuff like that

[fossil idol]

no I know her I call everyone sir

[pine obsidian]

i see

[thorny bloom]

I noticed a troublesome change in game performance, i hope the new updates fix that, im already playing on low graphics settings, but the menus keep freezing and looping sounds when closed.

[echo gust]

fellows, fellas and humans

[fossil idol]

Sirs and Misters and the greatest of Humbles

[coral current]

@pine obsidian you seem like the kinda person people could vibe with

[echo gust]

beardos and weirdos

[umbral reef]

Yea the ingame quallity one doesnt even work anymore with the latest unity version.
Best suggestion i can give then if your non VR is to just start using optimized avatars, the performance difference between the average poor and medium avatar is insane. I can run like ~20 poor avatar while losing frames but 50+ medium avatar rooms without losing frames.

[thorny bloom]

Haha wtf?

[full sail]

Can barely speak above whispering without pain/ cancer crippled any ability to function for longer than 4 hours at an actual workplace pace without severe muscle fatigue. Can confirm the government does not care as they denied even minor supplement. so now all my 8 hour day is jammed into 4 hours ala compensation

[umbral reef]

Not defending they havent done that yet-
Its by far the main performance thing they should add (for now world creators can tweak there stuff to so it works better..)

Fucking Ultra HD 4K mirrors rendering everything in the world 🙏

[thorny bloom]

Unfortunately, LoD, baked ligths and Oclussion Culling must be made manually by the players when making a world to be optimized.

[vestal marlin]

VRC is going down, gg LOL

[fossil idol]

That does not make sense to how most countries work even the US

[coral current]

I wish the best for you

[umbral reef]

It kinda does- Most 'progessive' countries on this require people who lost there arm or legg to still do a yearly check up
Like sure goverment, i regrew my arm since last year

[coral current]

They just assume you're like a lizard.

[full sail]

Considering most states in the US now don't care about ((Hella unfortunately)) rape or incest babies, or ectopic pregnancies that kill the mother being things, how is it not out of the realms of plausible that the government doesn't assist people? Lmao

[grim path]

Mirrors are like lightbulbs and people are the moths

[fossil idol]

In Norway you pretty much get money for this stuff because you arent able to work. I'm sure its like that in more than just there. Like some research online must surely lead to some locations who do give money to people like that?

[errant lagoon]

you leave my lightbalb alone

[pine obsidian]

Thanks you.

[thorny bloom]

This

[pine obsidian]

Have you watch the youtube video about "if vrchat have no mirrors" what if this actually happens real time?

[umbral reef]

Free? Most places you gotta pay out of pocket for these type of checkups 🙂

@fossil idolGetting that money is close to imposible even in Norway and its one of the best countries when it comes to this.
You have to do constant check ups, are limited in what money, gifts and even food you get from others around you.
Almost always the amount you get is far below minimum wage even what isnt enough to live anywhere

[fossil idol]

Well its impossible if you arent Norwegian. If you are then you have a right to these things, but It's strange as hell how the economy is failing on many levels. Are there not even charities that give money to people with disabilities?

[coral current]

Not a problem

[full sail]

You do know that most places won't even let you become a citizen if you get deemed a resource drain, right? Kind of difficult to relocate somewhere for the medical when the medical disallows relocation, lol

[umbral reef]

Evne if you have all the marks its still a pain to get. You really are looking at this with extreme rose intented glasses.
Id rather work 2 minimum wage jobs then suffer the hell of getting disabilities if i had the option with how painfull it is in most places.

@clear marshI luckely dont need it and got damn good insurance thanks to work still (im dutch so its all fairly fine)

[echo gust]

^

[fluid quail]

Welp time to get in vrchat I cant see why now would be a bad time to get on

[grim path]

Yep its not a bad time in game lol, only a bad time on the discord

[coral current]

To be real with you I feel this is just a losing battle for everyone

[fluid quail]

👍

[full sail]

Take me with you I wish to be home in comf vs idling at work

[vocal shard]

Is it alright if I get on on pc

[grim path]

People are dramatic also 648lbs is a lot

[worthy helm]

Certified VRchat moment 😎👍

[coral current]

Idk if saying this will get me put on blast given I'm on the modding communities side but I don't use mods when I play. I have once before just never really got too into it

[ripe adder]

@everyone the hacking is fake

[vocal shard]

So the hackings fake so I can get on?

[full sail]

Iirc the hacking was baseless fearmongering

[grim path]

Yes ur fine

[coral current]

I mean hey I'm down, I'm at school rn tho

[ripe adder]

Vr chat said it themselves it was fake

[rose ledge]

Cancel your VRCplus✅

[elder depot]

Y'all complain about the lack of features but then easily get rid of all your vrc+ features 💀

[verbal gale]

u dumb as hell

[harsh quartz]

Is the game safe?

[fluid quail]

Yes

[harsh hedge]

Is game safe now?

[coral current]

How about we keep all of the complaints and stuff in gen 1 for the time being, It would be better to keep one thing grouped together from another also @harsh quartz yes it is safe, the hacking was fake

[vocal shard]

Bro I just had to wake up today and 9:22 to a Spam call or bro God damn I got to go make me some waffles and see if this shit is safe I'll let you guys know

[harsh quartz]

Ok thank you

[worthy helm]

Honestly I can't wait for all these people to complain and go to neos/chill out only to hate it and begrudgingly come back to vrchat

[fluid quail]

#announcements there arent hackers going around yall are fine people are just complaining about no mods

[thick root]

Im still gonna be careful

[ripe adder]

THATS WHAT I BEEN TRYNA SAY, I used to be a hacker myself and this is a rumor someone is using to scare people but since it isnt real, people are using this rumor just to get more mods

[outer spoke]

!online

[cyan violet]

So no head? 🥺

[full sail]

Unfortunately so it seems

[coral current]

Pfft that one actually got me

[brisk bear]

Bruh lol

[daring cipher]

Are you the hacker known as four chan?

[ripe adder]

No?

[coral current]

Also even if ISIS was on VRC what are they gonna do, scream at me with swords? Literally it takes a single press of blocking someone and than just POOF

[cyan violet]

And then they show up at your house and go poof on you

[vast storm]

LMAO but fr when did isis show up to vrc

[compact lagoon]

I personally don’t think Vrc is going to become the next terrorist attack.

[eager hatch]

🤨

[ripe adder]

I got a shot gun if they do 💀

[vocal shard]

Metaverse terror attacks

[cyan violet]

If ISIS wasn’t dumb af it’s actually be a perfect medium to influence people and radicalize them

[vast storm]

If they show up with swords I wanna duel each and every one of them

[cyan violet]

Lmao turn them to kebab 😂

[coral current]

Bold of them to assume I don't got my own weapons

[full sail]

Related unrelated, if anyone wants to chill later when I'm done dragging myself through the day, just give me a shout. not in caps though. The bot do be anti-allcaps rn Tea and shenanigans of any flavour are to be had

[ripe adder]

I gonna on vr chat 😃

[frosty cipher]

is goofy aah shit still goin down?

[cyan violet]

I’m staying off the game to rebel against this dumb update

[uncut glade]

Have to say pretty funny to see so many people getting so triggered :lel:

[fluid quail]

Im not going into publics any time soon but vrchat definitely

[limber patio]

Kinda chaos everywhere

[teal wadi]

Oh wow, a moment where no one is typing. Impressive

[ripe adder]

I'm on VR chat 😂

[fluid quail]

Thats fine Id rather have all these people do that than just sit around complaining all day

[prime mauve]

Wait are we able to be on vrc now

[coral current]

I'll hop on from time to time. I was never an active player (says the guy with user trust rank)

[cyan violet]

coming soon ™

That was super mild from what I remember

[ripe adder]

This game ass rumor, I'm on vr and nothing has happened

LMAO

[cyan violet]

Oh shit she’s with ISIS. Duck!

[coral current]

Been nice knowing ya for this one hour

[fluid quail]

At least general 2 isnt as bad as general 1 people here are mainly joking

[golden smelt]

hello

[earnest forum]

If you don’t like being crashed and doxxed in public lobbies, yeah

[ripe adder]

Ok minecraft 💀

[coral current]

Unless you have Qol mods or any mods not really

[uncut glade]

From my experience EAC comes with small performance impact, but haven't had a VR application use it before, not sure how different it is.

[fluid quail]

Youll be fine

[vocal shard]

What they should do is have a badging system up to 100 points of I.D to show people who are 18+ So no one gets lied to by people saying there over 18.
And shows up as an Icon in VRC

[ripe adder]

And plus I just started vrc I can just make another acc

[coral current]

Damn really gotta do me like that, I may be 6 cubic shapes but I still got the moves of a absolute mad lad

[fluid quail]

Vrchat is supposed to be 13 and older but it really isnt

[rough zealot]

If general-1 were to compete against general-2 in a hot dog eating contest, who would win

[cyan violet]

Go back to general 1 thank you

[coral current]

I literally made a video discussing that a while ago

[vocal shard]

Its a mass problem because people do lie about there age and if they find out they have to live with that guilt forever. Asking for I.D doesnt cut it anymore.

[fluid quail]

General 1 with you away bad this is the cool person channel

[echo gust]

general 1 would first spam hot dog emotes 10 000 times before swallowing 2 000 metric tons of them

[ashen wadi]

Sup gen 2 how y'all doin

[split lotus]

EAC will promote malicious rootkits and force the malicious mod developer's hands to write a kernel level bypass which they will now enjoy the system kernal. VRChat pushed the envelope.

[ripe adder]

We chill here

[fluid quail]

I will thank you very much

[sand citrus]

Time to spend the next how ever long it takes them to fix their game in Skyrim vr 🗿🗿🗿

[fervent hedge]

General 3

[echo gust]

we're pretty much all at the state of acceptance while gen 1 is still at anger

[coral current]

I can consciously feel the food I have just consumed in my body, it is not a pleasant feeling.

[fluid quail]

Yeah everyone acts like Tupper owns everything I cant imaging how much they have been pinged

[ashen wadi]

I am okay. Enjoying the chaos.

[earnest forum]

What they also should do is use the millions they’ve been given from investors and vrc+ supporters to actually make the game better but they’d rather add a shitty anti-cheat client that WILL be bypassed and effectively removed all the features people modded because they haven’t listened for years, but go ahead and suck their dick I guess.

[vocal shard]

We as a community Have spent $100s to $1000s of dollars for a game we enjoy From headsets to fullbody to the Haptic suit and the last thing Anyone needs is to arrested just because They lied about there age. This is real Problem.

[ashen wadi]

Tupper has probably been preparing for this for months.

[cyan violet]

Heya, how are you doing among all this chaos

[fluid quail]

Hey yall some of this sounds like #vrchat-general-1 talking get out of the cool people channel

[sand citrus]

I genuinely feel bad for tupper but with ignorant people to the situation, it’s bound to happen

[slate scroll]

Hai! :3

[coral current]

Can we please keep the EAC stuff in gen 1? Like I said before its best to keep one thing in one place

[worthy helm]

Y'all aren't serious right? You guys are seriously still targeting Tupper? Go outside already

[ashen wadi]

I haven't used a single mod in the 7 years I've been playing so I'm doing just fine.

[oak dagger]

@digital inlet OPEN BETA!!! ya dingus XD jesus

[mint root]

same here, its nice lol 🙂

[vast storm]

Games been out for 5 years

[sand citrus]

Lmfao

[fluid quail]

Yeah Tuppers chill I may have only met him a few times but I can tell he doesnt deserve all this hate

[ashen wadi]

It's been out for 8, actually. Began in 2014.

[slate scroll]

Soo watchu been doing with all this happening

[coral current]

Ya know...yeah that is true its an open beta. Not everyone is gonna get it unless you're a part of it

[cyan violet]

That’s good to hear, I’m doing good as well ^_^

[fluid quail]

Open beta is open to everyone you just opt into it

[slate scroll]

O x3

[coral current]

Yeah thats what I mean

[vagrant lichen]

L update

[earnest parcel]

Is vrc good to play now or is all that stuff still going down

[vast storm]

Dang

[fluid quail]

You arent gonna get hacked

[ripe adder]

This is ridiculous, who here miss the 2000's and 1990s and olden days?

[vocal shard]

How many people are playing rn?

[worthy helm]

Is it wrong to say I'm excited for the update and excited to see how the community responds in terms of creations/workarounds to features?

[oak dagger]

obviously not my point is that EAC doesnt work im not trying to get ppl to go to open beta im trying to stop eac. Anything is better then EAC.

[onyx parcel]

80 and 90 > all

[remote obsidian]

is it likely they still go through with the update?

[uncut glade]

It will be like with every other game.
The less enthusiastic to bypass it will stay out.

Why else would Anti-Cheat be so "effective".
No matter the system, there will always be someone bypassing it.

[mint root]

things exist before they go on steam XD

[earnest parcel]

Ight I just wanted to make sure yk

[fervent hedge]

🍋

[runic plaza]

How are we all this morning? :o

[fluid quail]

Yeah I wanna see how some workarounds are I mean I have seen models with keyboards built in for mutes already I imagine we will see more of those

[coral current]

I understand and I do agree since I don't like EAC but until that is taken care of I think that's our best option rn

[mint root]

ignore me, i messaged before the edit lol ^~^

[onyx parcel]

just came home from work at 4 pm , doing good xP

[cyan violet]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sanic-gif-25090630

[sand citrus]

Why is that what I have right now… lmfao coincidence 🗿🗿

[uncut glade]

Enjoying the chaos and rage in communities I moderate and administrate.
Right now just chilling here, reading about fuming while finishing the rest of my work before going home - So pretty good day so far 🙂

[earnest forum]

“I haven’t had to use mods for the game since it’s conception so I’m going to decide the needs of all the disabled people that modify the game to be able to actually play it and say they shouldn’t be able to.”

[onyx parcel]

well psychological age =/= biological age 😄

[fluid quail]

EAC does stop a lot of mods and mods are technically not allowed so EAC is more just gonna help force people to find workarounds that actually are allowed when rules are involved so in the end its still better even if it doesnt stop crashers

[flat star]

Yeah where devs had to make a perfectly good and finished product otherwise they'd crash and burn, good old days.

[oak dagger]

it is legit. i dont play dbd anymore like i sued to bc i got taken over by just constant invisibility modders and godmode. EAC isnt gonna work at all i feel maybe the focus around avatar crashes or the event 6 data instead could be fixed. I love vrc, i used to play when modders were still rare and i still play it to this day but EAC is a bad bad mistake in my opinion but from the sounds of things theres talk that they cant take it back even if they wanted too

[earnest forum]

Shouldn’t have to be that way.

[onyx parcel]

So many Visitors here 🌻 🤡 😂

[uncut glade]

Of course they have to "Show the discontent and make the devs listen"

[ripe adder]

I rather be living in the 90s again than with the years getting worse and worse

[earnest forum]

I’m a trusted user, but okay

[worthy helm]

I never needed mods in my time playing, I'm just confused how people are acting like no mods will be the end of the world

[sand citrus]

YES

[oak dagger]

i feel like more people joined bc the hacker and RCE scare last night. ik thats y i joined

[molten panther]

for any Modder, I don't mind them, but when they start using them to ruin the fun of game modes aka pickup all, then ban them

[cyan violet]

Very based

[mint root]

trusted user does not mean loads of experience lol, I got mine within 2 months

[fluid quail]

I wonder how many people complaining are known or trusted users

[coral current]

I just hope in the end everyone will realize that this type of behavior is not the way to go about it

[earnest forum]

Damn that’s crazy, I’ve been playing for years.

[flat star]

Same.

[honest quarry]

Tupper why you d*ck riding everybody when there's bigger problems then clients???? How about tech ganger the mf you said you'd handle 6 months ago yet all the groups continue to get cases from him and vrc has done nothing

[fluid quail]

#vrchat-general-1 this channel is supposed to be the chill one go back to the other one

[sand citrus]

this entire situation? ngl.... pretty cringe if you ask me

[daring thorn]

I have a feeling despite all of this they’re gonna do nothing about it

[uncut glade]

Not sure why your user rank would have anything to do with being "annoyed by the devs".
Majority of my community is trusted yet all they currently do is being annoyed by the process.

And fair point with the hack/RCE part, forgot about that.

I'll simply assume a lot with the "new clover leaf" are here to flame the devs, at least thats what I'm seeing a lot of in the other general.

[mint root]

not sure if it was from my world or avi creations tbh

[honest quarry]

My fault

[hard marsh]

lol imagine caring

[fluid quail]

Being a trusted user doesnt make you better than other people its unrelated no need to bash newer players for no reason

[onyx parcel]

people need to start using their brains for the long term goal and not just the "haha mods funny goal"

I agree only on one argument , and that's the part about people with disabilities having a hard time when the update drops.

Otherwise there is literally nothing to discuss about - mods were never allowed in the first place~ so just be happy that nobody of you folks got banned for using them

[oak dagger]

none of this was the right wat XD hacking and RCE scares and the petition they made with the dumbest description ever. i dont blame vrc at all. mods are making vrc+ basically a one time fee os free- $100 like world and all. i see that they were losing money bc of it but now ppl arent gonna buy it bc they cant play longer then 20 mins before getting crashed with EAC (im on open beta so dont tell me its not released yet for anyone else reading it im nto waiting 2 mins to correct u) XD

[fluid quail]

Theres a whole lot of #vrchat-general-1 leaking into here this channel was the chill people where did yall come from ahhh

[full sail]

offers tea

[earnest forum]

Are you a chat mod? I don’t think so.

[echo gust]

well, general 1 would be my guess

[mint root]

I just came here to watch the carnage unfold whilst at work 🍿 , My opinions aren't needed on the topic so not really interacting on either channel, but boy this sure is amusing on the amount of people who don't understand the pros and cons they are typing 😆

Anyway, have some headpats to make it better ^~^

[oak dagger]

i heard theres abyss users already back on vrc open beta -_-. idk what mod they r using but thats wat i heard. and most of abyss is toxic malicous modders

[hybrid stump]

So any evidence that the hacker thing is real?

[fluid quail]

No but we were chill here it was good now it isnt

[onyx parcel]

literally 0

[cold talon]

man,you know shit hit the fan when the outrage in not contained to just #vrchat-general-1

[coral current]

I'm gonna take some time off of here for a few hours

[mint root]

nope, just scaremongering from the angry users

[oak dagger]

it was fake except maybe a couple incidents of RCE being reported but nothing major

[earnest forum]

Good luck dick-riding the devs shitty decision then. It’s not going to get you browny points.

[umbral reef]

Its been funny though seeing how blinded by rage people get over things not even true kekw

[hybrid stump]

Aight well I’m getting multiple answers about it being real or not

[ripe adder]

✅

[honest quarry]

Yeo shut up

[fluid quail]

No were just not toxic people we accept decisions instead of whine about them

[oak dagger]

u really wasted 1 mins of texting and replied to say shut up -_-. dingus smh

[fringe bison]

Ahaha

[onyx parcel]

youre just one of those people that dont think for more than 2 seconds

[ripe adder]

Bye this chat ain't chill anymore

[hybrid stump]

Thanks for telling me tho

[mint root]

if they're gonna make a decision they believe is right, there's nothing we can do about it, so we just gotta get on with both versions of our life

[honest quarry]

don't say that shit in the mf vrc server😂 dumbas

[umbral reef]

This community spends more time making fake rumors and ect then doing anything with there life.
So big odds its as fake as it can be

[strange vigil]

this general chat seems a bit more tame than the other one

[fringe bison]

No chill 😩

[earnest forum]

I’ve seen the valid criticisms and I know that this isn’t the path to choose.

[pearl quarry]

I’m sure if the update gets pushed it will be another story

[uncut glade]

Its literally lets see where the journey takes us.
If its good, I'll just stay on the ride, if it turns out to be bad ... well, I'm off on the next stop.

Haven't had to use a mod before so it doesn't really affect me, and I already play other games that use EAC shrug.
I'll just hope my drinking buddies stay on with me on the weekends xD

[worldly moss]

Was on literally ln, black cat has no chill

[fluid quail]

Man this was supposed to be the good channel

[mint root]

come on bro it takes at least a minute after the first thought to post the second, and all opinions are valid 😄 😄

[hybrid stump]

Aight well I’ll try to keep a look out for and incidents and try to bust the mystery scooby doo style

[cold talon]

there is so much shid going on now, what rumours are popping up now?

[umbral reef]

Mentally impaired monkey groups have always raided VRC worlds
Its been nothing new and it wont stop as people refuse to use things like the safety system anyway

[honest quarry]

Aye I mean at least the children gang monkeys of disciples and all the other gangs will die off from this new update 😂

[fluid quail]

👍

[sand citrus]

now ive got to cuddle my boys in pavlov vr instead of vr chat, upsetting

[worldly moss]

Oh my god you just hit a core memory of Pavlov for me

[cosmic herald]

Fortnite just announced a John Cena collab let's turn our attention to that

[oak dagger]

im not getting banned nor my msgs deleted. im not for clients or for EAC i want an alternative. ALthough theres not many left. ive got 1,200hrs on my account i buy vrc+ to support them. im not here to boycott to attack them or anything just to tell them the open beta is getting flooded with crashers already ad im tryna see if theres talk of some contract or special way they put it in that made it permanent

[onyx parcel]

1. you can always " prewrite " before the timer runs out 😛

2. if the opinion is like 90% of the other opinions, aka wah wah update bad [ no serious critisism entered ] ,
   then yeah . . .

[echo gust]

i heard that EAC won't prevent you from using virtual desktop tho

[strange vigil]

wait, EAC's gonna prevent Steam Deck players from playing?

[vocal shard]

I mean the petition has already reached a few places and became kinda news. So hopefully that gets them too.

[fluid quail]

Idk I feel like the quest kids will probably be the main ones who stay sadly

[midnight flicker]

What’s the thing to see how many people are online

[mint root]

I definitely agree with you here, I maybe worded my sentence wrong hahaha

[sand citrus]

goooooood

[hybrid stump]

But if there is any evidence of the hacker thing please tell me because I want to make sure it’s fake

[queen elbow]

Vanilla players are superior rn

[indigo bear]

“! online” but no space

[echo gust]

!Online

[onyx parcel]

no worries as long as there are no senseless insults and cry spams incoming, then everything is all good 😄

[oak dagger]

nah ur all food for malicious modders once that update hits ;P

[fluid quail]

Quest will get the update but I highly doubt it will affect the kids much since I doubt they are modding or anything

[coral current]

Pretty much no, this only really just tried to get rid of mods. Which even than that failed.

[mint root]

I wouldn't dream of it ! 😆 I try to be nice as possible

[vocal shard]

Yeah, the excessive amount of doxing and threatening in a more like immature and harmful manner is unneeded. Just ends up making us look bad.

[sand citrus]

puts out my hands with a pill in each of them the choice is yours.

[oak dagger]

its cool for awhile. i cant wait for treadmills and metaverse and the gloves and all that stuff

[zealous hull]

Slowmode is 2 minutes in general1, how bad is it here?

[onyx parcel]

1 minute and a click

[plush osprey]

surprisingly its not too bad in here

[coral current]

Apparently there's talk of an SAO type headset

[vocal shard]

Yup. Been in the works for like two ish years now??

[shut escarp]

its real

[sand citrus]

SAO?? sorry im a little dull on the topic

[oak dagger]

thats metaverse. they half a half body that u lay down and it reads muscle movements with some kinda sensors on ur body i believe. called half dive

[hybrid stump]

Any evidence?

[mint root]

it's not as impressive as its sounding unfortunately, very restrictive movement from one of the prototypes, since no way of paralysing your body yet lol.

Also @sand citrus SAO is Sword Art Online, an Animé/manga based on a VRMMORPG

[fluid quail]

Sword art online is an anime

[plush osprey]

i heard about that too, its interesting~

[coral current]

Sword Art Online

[midnight flicker]

Are we not able to see how many people are online anymore, or is the bot broken?

[onyx parcel]

check out the right site, there is literally a status text below the bot

[oak dagger]

theres a headset that transports them into the actual metaverse. idk how to explain ive never watched it just heard the reference alot

[plush osprey]

i hope i'll still be alive when full dive gets developed

[errant folio]

Well, from all this backlash, there will certainly be a rise in crashers because of the outrage people are feeling. Both avatar crashers(which the update does nothing about) and actual client users who have already found a work-around to use their mods still in game. Some of them will claim that they are proving a point while others will take crashing back up as a full time job for their enjoyment.

[shut escarp]

i sent the vid from last night

[fluid quail]

Theres no hackers #announcements

[echo gust]

What ?! if that's true that's fucked up

[oak dagger]

ull either be alive for the end of the world of the best progress XD either after covid the new generation tries to clean it all up or covid stays and things get more and more tense. had covid been gone we woulda already had russia outta ukraine the first month they attacked. the world is on fire and the past generation is throwing tinder on the fire

[cold talon]

man, this is a pretty weird situation, people cant say that they use mods since that results in a ban, therefore vrc team thinks that most of the community doesn't use mods, so for them it sounds perfectly fine to implement eac as its only affects a small part of the community with no real draw backs

[shut escarp]

there was last night

[mint root]

scaremongering is all it has been

[sand citrus]

OH

[plush osprey]

true

[vocal shard]

You believe them?

[fluid quail]

Someone deleted the virtual desktop message so I doubt it was factual

[indigo bear]

Im a bit confused because people saying there are hacker and people are saying it face because yesterday I got on to play black cat and I saw these player playing loud music and flying around and somehow they cut off my audio I couldn’t hear anyone

[fading yacht]

wow, this server was so "active" right now

[vocal shard]

Are you on quest?

[fluid quail]

Thats an avatar thing thats always been a thing thats unrelated Ive seen it before

[indigo bear]

Yes

[pearl quarry]

Yea active with pissed off players

[clever shale]

yes , very true. I feel like theres going to be a big rise in crashers and rippers again. My biggest problem with this update is just the part that the Player base wont be able to do anything against it , i would have loved this update if we would have gotten something useful with it like an Anti Crasher or a way to prevent the ripping of models/avatars but sadly its not the case. Worst on that end , in the "Beta" ppl have already found a way to get past the EAC and that just worries me.

[plush osprey]

oh wow, that audio bug is still there?

[chrome magnet]

i'm a bit salty because the madoka model I'm using doesn't have a root hair bone and I can't get skirt physics to work either without breaking her spine

[fluid quail]

Yeah someone in a murder I was in had an avatar that did that the other day

[oak dagger]

Ur not reading any good points. Open beta EAC is already having abyss (malicious modders usually) and EAC has never stopped modding before. all they did was subjugate the good people of vrc who only used anti crash and even protected the server to be prey for the malicious predators claiming the new version of vrc as thier own. im on open beta and im not joking 20 mins in i got crashed by someone talking about abyss. the point of this got kinda scrambled for some reason i think. we dont want clients or EAC we want a solution that works. Like event 6 data fixups, avatar crashing solutions.

[timber dew]

I don't use mods nor do I plan on using them

So let them do what they want I honestly do not give a shit 🤣

[indigo bear]

So they are not any hacker? I’m confused

[scenic sorrel]

May somebody explain to me what is going on in vrchat in fall guys terms

[fluid quail]

They arent hackers

[chrome magnet]

EAC is a virus?

[pearl quarry]

Go off somewhere else

[zealous hull]

It's outrage or people calling people who are fucked over mod users

VM is a block reason
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001483205783859290/1001488227556937878/IMG_20220726_145616.jpg

[severe lily]

Big corporation wanting money rather than pay attention to their clients and take away harmless mods that allow for the mute, deaf and disabled to play.

[pulsar flume]

Just know it was totally not our fault

[clever shale]

they are not Hackers , they are crashers and rippers trying to prove that the anti cheat wont do anything

[oak dagger]

well then go on to the open beta and try it out ;P no crashers i promise XDDDD. just bc u dont hav mods doesnt mean ur just neutral in this. ur the ones thats gonna stick around the new wasteland of vrc with modders crashing for fun and even RCE that u no longer hav any form of protection against except the broken EAC that doesnt keep modders out

[vocal shard]

Soon before long I bet they’ll ban custom avatars. It’s only a matter of time

[chrome magnet]

the death of vrchat

[fluid quail]

EAC may not help with some things but even so its better to have then not have since mods are against tos

[plush osprey]

most of the vrc community use modded clients. Easy Anti Cheat is gonna take away those modded clients. malicious crasher clients will still run rampant.

[oak dagger]

there was a few RCE last night and i did hear a couple abount forcing thier way into prov worlds. ppl r saying its impossible but ive never heard of a hacker being unable to join a private world XD every game with hackers has them and the one person spamming that one to everyone didnt know what they were talkign about

[cold talon]

people are pissed now, so i would say that crashing is going to be pretty rampant for a while

[lofty basalt]

Yeah good point

[chrome magnet]

ok I'm going to uninstall vrchat rn

[valid field]

This is kinda nuts... I feel a ton of people are completely overreacting about it

[oak dagger]

this wont just fade away since its just a few clients out now ppl can basically do as they please. ik theres alot of bad modders but im very confident in saying there was more good modders protecting servers then bad modders destroying them

[onyx parcel]

and thats where youre wrong, they know exactly who uses mods

[chrome magnet]

but EAC will fuck up my computer, it'll explode

[clever shale]

true. the problem i see with that ho is that the game will end up being infested with those type of ppl tho since some Wholesome modders wont be willing to play the "cat and mouse" game for to long.

[errant folio]

Yes, this will be bringing the crashers who just enjoy crashing lobbies back

[tropic lark]

😱

[oak dagger]

sure they do. thats y they need EAC instead of putting code to automatically ban the ppl they "know has mods". u dont know what ur talking about buddy. this wouldnt be happening if vrc knew who had mods lmao

[chrome magnet]

oh fuck my computer is going to die ;-;

[plush osprey]

tbh, i do kind of feel that people are over reacting especially the few in the server making direct threats to the devs. im interested to see what would happen when the update does go live

[tropic lark]

EAC is their way of preventing mods without banning users. It refuses to start the game with mods detected, and it cant even link it to your account because the game never gets to the authentication stage

[mint root]

As a developer myself, you just gotta trust us and let us get on with it, our intentions may not always be clear, but we usually have best interests at heart ❤️ sometimes it just takees a while to let you all see that😄

[onyx parcel]

your lack of understanding code is amazing

[oak dagger]

delete all files in vrc on steam then unistall from steam and reinstall. u prob hav somin left over in ur files trying to start

[lofty basalt]

The only reason why is because mods basically helped build vrchat. Almost people including content creators use this. Sure ok not a big deal to a lot of people, but it takes away our fun and our creativity too.

[fluid quail]

As much as I like the update it does seem like vrchat may have kicked an anthill here hopefully this doesnt make people want to crash people more

[cold talon]

how would they know who uses mods? unless the client sends data that the normal one does not there is nothing really to detect.
ban waves were done by listening for calls that some modded clients would make but most of the qol stuff dont do suspicions api calls

[chrome magnet]

wait is EAC on live yet

[clever shale]

yes , things like threats , dos and such are way to much. but sadly its how some ppl think they will be heard.

[plush osprey]

yea like a bullet ant hill

[tropic lark]

nope, its still in open beta being implimented atm

[onyx parcel]

the most simple thing i would make for that would be a checksum , a few seconds of work ~

[oak dagger]

no update yet. just an open beta. ur just getting lucky bc modders r avoiding vrc rn except the few using mods to destroy it. switch to open beta and hop around a lil and see if u dont get crashed rn. took 20 mins for my game to crash from a modder

[lofty basalt]

My guy that means nothing to us. Vrchat has been saying for YEARS they would add things and never have. So whatever they say means nothing unless they prove us wrong. Until then though, I’m not trusting the vrchat devs.

[fluid quail]

The mods that are supposed to be against tos technically

[clever shale]

they know who uses clients , yes since the VRC ingame moderators are using a client made by VRC themselves

[rich prawn]

Vrchat dead, rip game. Bad game, chilloutvr better, neos vr better

[plush osprey]

bullet ants are a thing, i didn't mean literal bullets

[raven cargo]

I have chronic heart failure due to a severe and rare heart condition i have. I have gone through many surgeries and currently waiting on a heart transplant VRC means so much for me for my social life. i cannot live without it im currently using mods to have a heart bypass to keep it beating. if you get rid of mods you will get rid of my bypass. you will get rid of iny life support. dont kill an innocent person. i will die if you add EAC. if you dont remove it i will die soon, nor will i take my medication. dont be responsible for a young soul like me broken_heart

[errant folio]

Lol literally leaves everyone vulnerable to be crashed again, citing crashers to come back

[mint root]

You have to consider the HUGE amount of wasted time spent on false issues raised by people who don't understand what's going on

[tropic lark]

wait where was this said?

[valid field]

Yeah I getchya... some people are going actually crazy over this tho lol... I mean it is a game, but staring fires isn't gonna necessarily help the situation.

[rich prawn]

This is true, (coming from a quest user)
It’s even easier on pc

[oak dagger]

jesus ur such a dumbass im not gonna write a 2 paragraph text saying what they should do instead. I love idiots who think just bc we dont wanna explain every little detail about it means we dont know what we are talking about. u wanna explain it all go ahead and tell them how vrc staff should implement it

[pearl quarry]

It will get it on the news though making the game itself look horrible

[sand citrus]

who would win, one beefy pc vs one soy boy with a crash avi....

[lofty basalt]

But the point is, no one trusts them. They don’t care no matter what you say. This isn’t the first they’ve pulled something like this and it won’t be the last. I just don’t agree with what’s going on and the devs have proven that they really don’t listen to everything.

[fluid quail]

Stop unhiding people then

[mint root]

maybe take a minute to calm and be respectful dude before you post stuff like that

[oak dagger]

yes but there av id to come by unless the client users set the av id to the mod (person above me i really dont care)

[tropic lark]

o huh, thanks for that. didnt realize it was actually gonna be implimented fully that quickly

[cold talon]

not sure how that would allow them to see who has a modified client, even if a vrc team member is in the same lobby as a person with a modified client how would they detect it.

[onyx parcel]

like i mentioned above , checksum - its literally 2 lines of code and they know who uses mods or not ~ no need to throw senseless kindergarten insults 🙂

[mint root]

we listen to a lot more than you think, not everything everyone wants can be done by a small team who have to waste their time because of insane amounts of false reports

[rich prawn]

We all know they won’t fix anything, this is vrchat we’re talking about

[fluid quail]

At least if avatars are what is crashing you that is your fault for unhiding everyone

[sand citrus]

sheeesh man i just wanna go back to the "is that a custom avatar" days. little dark age starts playing

[chrome magnet]

once I get my headset i'll switch to a different game, or maybe not just buy vr, it's just a stupid trend anyways that'll probably die out once the pandemic ends

[valid field]

I'm upset too... cause being a dancer, I have like 3 mods just for my skeleton that I spent hours getting up and running correctly just for mods to get banned lol... dont feel like moving like a Lego character lol

[oak dagger]

mhm bc they chose implementing a whole new anti client instead of ur 2 lines of code XD seriously just stop replying to me XD

[onyx parcel]

yep you still dont get it - hand ~

[oak dagger]

still going XD

[mint root]

that's not what they meant at all, take a second to breathe and go grab a coffee before you be disrepectful to others

[dire cargo]

U also know now certain people can't play vrchat even though pll that use subtitles

[plush osprey]

ok

[chrome magnet]

the only peeps left in vrchat are going to be those annoying kids who's parents made the mistake of buying their kid a vr headset

[snow parrot]

And the avatars of copyrighted characters too, right? It’s against TOS.

They’ll come for those someday.

[fallow sable]

And furries

[sand citrus]

you canceled your vrchat + now didnt you squidward 🗿

[tropic lark]

No its not happening. VRChat has already released a statement about this. Crypto is also banned on Steam as a whole. Someone with experience in it however is not a bad asset to have as they have a good understanding of how finances work when used on digital items. That's exactly what they are looking for in that job posting.

[oak dagger]

im sure they know whos modding now bc they r texting in the discord. but they dont know every user that mods. thats how were here to begin with. im just gonna ignore the 14 yo that wont stop replying to me

[twin swan]

"I'm done arguing" he says for the 3rd time, furiously continuing to type

[onyx parcel]

😂 ignorance is really bliss for some folks

[chrome magnet]

come on they're just shooting themselves in the foot not the dick

[weary roost]

guys, is the vrchat wide hacking actually real; i was on all night and literally nothing happened\

[fluid quail]

Maybe I should buy vrc plus again

[tropic lark]

I mean feel free to refuse actual sources if you want here
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-bans-nfts-cryptocurrencies-blockchain/
https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/our-policy-on-nfts-and-blockchain-in-vrchat

[oak dagger]

no just some punks with mods running around

[raven cargo]

No mods= NO friends
(According to some people)

[chrome magnet]

hacking was common back in 2018

[plush osprey]

i did here whispers of some kind of in-game currency a couple years ago

[bitter moth]

Hey if anyone who is disabled is struggling to use vrchat due to mobility issues I highly recommend checking out WalkinVr https://store.steampowered.com/app/1248360/WalkinVR/

[golden rose]

people need to go outside instead of spending all day in vr lol

[burnt osprey]

!online

[mint root]

love this 😄

[onyx parcel]

Just because they mention experience with blockchain, doesnt mean they ACTUALLY put in crypto stuff - the experience behind that can be used for so much more, but if you dont know that, then dont just throw in some random stuff in here

[ebon bluff]

npcs fr

[sage canopy]

My prediction back in december turned out to be correct, everything would fall apart if they enabled easy anti cheat

[umbral reef]

They have stated clearly they are against all Crypto and NFT things

[vocal shard]

Doesn’t seem like there’s much of a use case for crypto in vr chat rn

[chrome magnet]

oh god

[tulip vigil]

Please tel me it’s more chill in here

[bleak wraith]

It’s calmer in here 🫠

[plush osprey]

it is

[mint root]

mostly, but a lot better and nicer 😄

[tropic lark]

Could you point me to where that's been said? Not trying to say you're not being honest here but I would like to see a source because if so I may just have to change my stance on it

[rain gorge]

Are there still riots going on?

[fluid quail]

It was chill then it wasnt then it was idk

[vocal shard]

I just hope they try to work with some devs

I don't wanna be aggressive about it because that will get us nowhere

[bitter moth]

Hey if anyone who is disabled is struggling to use vrchat due to mobility issues I highly recommend checking out WalkinVr https://store.steampowered.com/app/1248360/WalkinVR/

[tulip vigil]

I just wanted to ask the devs their actual opinion on stuff, but that definitely ain’t going through especially with people just throwing insults at them. Like that’s going to fuckin fix anything

[umbral reef]

More they need money to run server costs...
Like are you trying to say them adding a ingame store is a bad thing?
As if so thats just silly

[plush osprey]

isn't there seated play..?

[chrome magnet]

just when I said they're not shooting themselves in the dick they go and shoot themselves in the dick

[fluid quail]

Yes it is

[barren cliff]

Yall saying cancel your Vrchat plus but boost this sever

[woeful stream]

Does virtual desktop work

[tulip vigil]

It is, the most people have been doing is crashing worlds from the look

[bitter moth]

It is

[chrome magnet]

in game economies have never worked

[umbral reef]

No company can function properly on donations
Stop sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the real world, companies cost a lot of money to run and something like VRC+ aint gonna cover it alone

[tropic lark]

i wouldnt jump to conclusions unless we see a statement about it. I've not seen anything regarding plans to add anything other than VRC+ as an in-game purchase

[dark gazelle]

if hackers are such a prolific issue, why haven't I run into any? Like literally the worst offenders are people with really annoying avatars, and screeching children intruding on conversations

[vocal shard]

I think people went crazy because the announcement dropped and they didn't elaborate

Doesn't excuse it at all though

[fluid quail]

Any messages of people saying it doesnt have been being deleted so it probably works

[vocal shard]

I like crypto

[near ember]

I'm just watching this chat and all i can compare it too is people fighting over politics. . .

[onyx parcel]

they totally did elaborate, but people are to lazy to read a 4 minute long blogpost

[chrome magnet]

soon it won't be when they add eac

[tropic lark]

Yeah it works insanely well

[bitter moth]

How come? Sorry I’m a bit behind on this

[umbral reef]

Are unable to read*

dont forget this is the community that thinks PC can get blown up by a script kiddie 💀

[vocal shard]

Oh I kinda meant about implementimg some of the lost features and stuff to try to compromise with the community

I made sure to read the post because it's always the smart thing to do before going crazy

[tulip vigil]

Yeah, it’s people being idiots and making a situation worse instead of talking to the devs and perhaps calmly help them see the issue of what they’re doing. People don’t listen to the ones screaming insults, and eventually if a chat is 80% insult and 20% normal chat? They’re gonna zone out of it

[fluid quail]

Dont trust everything people are saying, people are trying to get people mad on purpose

[chrome magnet]

it can't but it can certainly reduce it's lifespan

[rain gorge]

So it’s safe to go on VRChat?

[golden smelt]

!online

[umbral reef]

Yes but really just no still..

[lofty rivet]

I’m here to just watch people cry about this update, yet we all know people have no life outside of the game

[tropic lark]

that's something for creators to implement, not for VRChat's gain. I don't see that as any different than creator patreons rn

[bitter moth]

Fair

[near ember]

true

[onyx parcel]

Ah! Gotcha. Yeah thats like the only dumb thing about all this - people will have to wait for the stuff to come back now

[chrome magnet]

EAC takes up a lot of resources

[runic plaza]

Implying it was ever safe lol, It's less safe now but still fine to play on

[umbral reef]

Its kinda funny to see how mental people get and what insane fantasies they can come up with

[fluid quail]

Maybe dont spread misinformation

[mint root]

then careful what you say lol, we chill here 😄

[rich prawn]

Not fofomit defending this EAC update, rip

[rain gorge]

Well I have a group to run I wanna make sure that no one is going to be hacked or fried.

[tulip vigil]

Eeeh, kinda a fucked view on it but, personally I accept that a LOT of people use vrchat as it’s meant to be used, it’s a social platform. If at least the disabled portion of those people now can’t use it because of this update? I can understand them being annoyed

[frank thorn]

i've noticed a lot of people with the misconception that client users will be banned outright when it isn't the case.

[fluid quail]

Oh thats not blocked you just arent able to type in all caps on this server

[vocal shard]

I think what worries me is how slwo they can be to implement stuff
I think the idea of like just yoinking the open source stuff or just collabong with a few client makers to have approved ones is the smart choice

Might be able to set up EAC to ignore certain mods if so

[runic plaza]

You'll be fine, just hang out with the people you know just in case. I'm unsure how safe the game is anymore considering a lot of the mods used to stop photons and many other game crashing things are no longer there

[umbral reef]

👌 Feel free to think so then
Not gonna waste time

[tropic lark]

Yeah exactly, its a lot of fearmongering to people who wont read the blog post. EAC just refuses to let VRC start if mods are detected. Nothing even allows it to link the error starting to your VRC account because it never gets to the authentication stages

[tulip vigil]

The people moaning about how they can’t use avatar search and as such the devs should perish, that’s the kind of shit that’s bringing the actual problems down. Not being able to fly or some shit doesn’t matter when people who are deaf or hard of hearing now can’t play

[frank thorn]

i know. i'm saying a lot of the panic is caused by people not wanting to spend 10 minutes to read the whole blog post

[ember orchid]

tbh vrc are stupid for not adding more choises for ppl with disabilities and an avi sercher in tha first place

[onyx parcel]

the main problem is that they get to many false reports because people report bugs with mods running in the background- this costs ALOT of time , which could be used to actually work on vrchat itself

[rain gorge]

So it’s crashers we have to worry about.

[muted ember]

yeah we don't care about avatar search flying or whatever, we just want QoL mods

[vocal shard]

I do want a native fsr

I think we need accesability focused stuff first

[runic plaza]

Yeah, just stick to private instances with people you know and you'll be completely fine lol

[ember orchid]

so true

[vocal shard]

People really take this game seriously.

[onyx parcel]

bruh, touch some grass please for real :/

[near ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/990684469667172383.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[lofty rivet]

Well this update is included to combat the people who use mods for malicious uses, such as crashing which does exist. So yk

[chrome magnet]

bro it's not like the game crashing will hurt your computer, sure it's annoying but if you don't wanna take the risk disable viewing avatars

[muted ember]

avatar search is searching for public avatars, and some of those avatars are not put in pedestals so avatar search is one of the problem, but QoL is not harmful in any way

[fleet bolt]

good thing that I didn't pay for vrc+
but what about the avatars ?
do I get a refund ?

[ebon bluff]

Hecks no

[vocal shard]

Country roooooooad

[brazen mirage]

So we back in the mine...

[vocal shard]

True

Maybe an approach could be to branch the team by kinda absorbing the teams of the mods too?

I feel like that could be feasible

It also could save time by letting the devs ask if they have a modded client with no shame

But it's 50/50 on the time think depending on how you look at it!

[runic plaza]

It's still fuckin annoying lmao. Most the time you will not even get the chance to disable avatars

[fluid quail]

Welp Im gonna get in vrchat now Ill be back later I guess

[spark gull]

!online

[tulip vigil]

I’m aware, but by doing so they’ve now stopped people who NEED mods to play due to disabilities from playing. And the majority of people use this to talk to friends abroad, that usually they wouldn’t be able to have that kind of experience with

[toxic kite]

🍿

[vocal shard]

this is unhealthy

[frank thorn]

facts. they clearly put thought into how this will affect different niches in the VRC pool. they even said that they have plans to turn mods into native features in the future, ie portable mirror and comfort menu to name a couple

[barren matrix]

Crashers use avatars that have something with tons of shaders, mods dont crash, not any that ive seen people use anyways

[dark gazelle]

I think my favorite part of the blog post was "creators deal with bug reports only to find out that the culprit is a modded client" like... bruh, people seriously work in a field wherein there are bugs to be fixed, and "are you using any mods" is somehow not the first question they ask??

[lofty rivet]

There are mods that can crash people, I’ve owned one that you don’t need to see an avatar

[uncut glade]

Same, enjoying the "show". I'm interested to see how this will affect friends of mine in the long run as well, have some heavily addicted.

[twin swan]

You don't pay back venture capitalists that's not how VC works

[chrome magnet]

private instances, or just don't play, this is literally a problem with a lot of online games with user generated content

[tulip vigil]

I don’t disagree with the EAC being added, I disagree with them not implementing options for the disabled people they’re not excluding, before implementing EAC

[umbral reef]

It is but people flat out say 'no' and then after a long time its damn clear they do...

[brazen mirage]

We're talking away . . .

[rain gorge]

Crashers are like a everyday thing for me. So I am not worried.

[vocal shard]

all these people pretending they ain’t going to play the game until modding is brought back, you literally LIVE in vrc you will all be back in 2 days when this cancel hype is over. people are very emotional

[tulip vigil]

That is… really not an issue compared to people who literally need mods to play. I’m talking about actually disabled people, not bob who doesn’t want controller drift

[runic plaza]

To be fair I'd rather leave this a few weeks and see how everything plays out. I think it's clear the devs see the negative reactions this has caused. I figure something will be done

[tropic lark]

Working with venture capitalists is not like taking a loan. Business owners don't have any obligation to pay them back literally a google search would tell you that.

[twin swan]

That's not a payment dawg, nobody thinks they are getting paid back by owning equity

[onyx parcel]

oh they do use modded clients too , for testing purpose ofc - but thats another topic in itself because i know people will take this into the wrong direction

[dark gazelle]

"As such, we've been working towards native implementations of features like a main menu that's usable even when you're lying down, a portable mirror that you can use to calibrate your full-body tracking (or provide a face-cam), and more – all planned for upcoming releases."

Yeah maybe get those added to your game before you start wrecking everyone who kinda needs them to enjoy it

[green tundra]

why when I press V mic doesn't open?

[tulip vigil]

I know, but we should be talking about the mods disabled people need to even play in the first place first, rather than the other ones that are just QoL in general

[onyx parcel]

@autumn comet ???

[raw epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-quarantine-sleeping-sleeping-beauty-beauty-sleep-gif-16980796

[golden rose]

embed failure

[raw epoch]

I was so upset when that didn’t go through 💀

[onyx parcel]

whats with that random FR ?

[tulip vigil]

If they see everyone moaning about they’re ability to fly or not have drift they’re not going to care, if they see that they’re literally excluding disabled people from playing, we have more of a chance of getting through to them

[velvet flame]

!online

[golden rose]

heart breaking

[tropic lark]

alright you're just spewing bs rn, theres no point in continuing to have a reasonable conversation with you. go touch grass :)

[vocal shard]

I think that's not a bad thing!

I hope they yoink stuff from them

[raw epoch]

100%

[fluid quail]

👍