vrchat-general-2

[hasty kettle]

Yes i am aware. There has also been a few mods that stopped that as well, but that is no longer available with this update.

[vernal leaf]

tbf that's what half the community do 😂

[vale beacon]

If you stay in Invite only, yes. But isn't the whole point of VRC for the game to be social?

[honest valley]

it only refuses to log you in and closes itself untill you do a clean reinstall iirc

[rugged agate]

And that's what I'm seeing. This doesn't stop the bad actors, it just punishes the ones looking to make the game comfortable and usable for themselves.

Let me emphasize that. This doesn't stop the bad actors. It feels like security theater to finally enforce that "no mods" rule but it won't fix the problem. Crashers will just have more targets. Hackers will simply use whatever current EAC bypass is in place. EAC itself doesn't even ban mod users, it just disables your client until you do a clean reinstall.

[vocal shard]

From what everyone is saying I feel majority of people uses clients for fun and to help with performance. I don't agree on the Easy Anti cheat

[vestal delta]

Yes but most Linux users I know put it through a VM so they can get media players working as well as just more stability

[vocal shard]

im assuming this is why its in beta rn, for them to see if they can make it secure enough to cut down the hackers to a reasonable amount

and i wasnt saying it to ignore requests or complaints, i was just trying to show that it doesnt hit every ND person, i do think tho they should focus on bringing accessibility back as soon as they can cause many of my friends also use accessibility mods, i guess for now a workaround is using avatars that add the most needed features and hold on until vrc adds those features back to global

i think this is mainly cause its hard to balance, they need money to develop and bring more features and updates, thats sadly just how the world works and i think due to this approach VRC is free of any force to pay a monthly fee to play and you can still enjoy it for free, for a game this size thats actually an accomplishment without plastering the thing with ads and other revenue sources, so i think in a way them pushing for more people to sub and spend money is their way of bringing out new features faster

[dim cloud]

man i really dont get this update, its so dumb.

[buoyant willow]

youll be ok people it isnt the end of the world

[sinful stump]

Crashers absolutely are avatar based, particle and shader based typically, this update will not only do nothing for those, but also eliminate defense measures that help prevent such crashers from performing their evil deeds. this will make the game worse not better

[vocal shard]

Oh no I know shits wack

[full copper]

Bro I rely on my mods to allow my shitty laptop to run vrc ;-;

[eager wind]

this doesn't rly seem like it's that useful unless the crashing in question is a mod that does it. otherwise i think it's not gonna do much to detect modding/cheating when it's the avatar it's self.
i mean i have friends who currently use mods AND Avatars to cheat. you don't need mods to cheat when a world disables it, when avatars can jsut do that and bypas the entire thing without mods

[split shard]

nothing is really available with this update like the fact people felt the need to pay 25$ for something to keep them from getting crashed then for it to be taken away is kinda fucked

[umbral reef]

Hmm well i aint well known on the linux stuff tbf.
Proton still works though so who knows 🙏
Im also hoping they will disable the VM block, AEC can handle that for like two years by now anyway

[silk hollow]

ain't crashers usually just avatars and not client modifications? this ain't gonna do much to stop em

[rugged agate]

I'm fine with them earning money and I'm fine with them wanting a more secure platform. They need money. No money? No game. Those servers are enormously expensive to operate and that has to be respected.

It's just a bad choice of actions because it doesn't feel like it's fixing anything. It's only punishment, no reward.

[wide dust]

You paid 25 dollars to not get crashed? That stuff's freely available..

[dim cloud]

bro i dont even use mods and can agree this shit kinda sucks

[eager wind]

plus the way people make crasher avatars and then distribute them means that it becomes a lot quicker and easier to crash things VS having to go to a website for mods

[hard needle]

brainless behaviour

[vernal leaf]

yeah no i getcha, i can appreciate mods too but i feel like ppl got reaaaaal reliant on them. i'm still able to chill with my friends on the weekend and have a laugh but i may just need a bit less of what everyone else needs

[vocal shard]

your human rights will not be violated if you get crashed once in awhile because you sit in front of a mirror for 12 hours a day at the black cat

so what's happing ?

[bright vigil]

we love new update!!! sike

[hot cipher]

I thought most would use Proton due to being easier

[vocal shard]

This is such a bad idea but hey go off ig 😬

[hasty kettle]

This makes sense yes, but there are still better ways. A combination of the modding community and the dev team would be a great way to make AMAZING updates and provide a better stream of income.

And @split shard I agree, its quite concerning for the security of vrc users in general

[split shard]

nah i got it bought for me but my point is it happens sometime the free stuff doesnt work against most crashers

[storm pilot]

I pray they unlock mirror resolution so the game is playable

[foggy hearth]

I'm honestly quite saddened by this update. I just recently got into the VRC club and concert scene and a majority of those events are extremely intensive on my PC. I use qol mods that optimize stuff so I can enjoy those events and now in 24 hours I won't be able to enjoy them anymore.

[sand beacon]

That type of play has been long gone for me. I jump into public for maybe 5 minutes and find a few people then we get out of there.

[noble dirge]

This is the safe haven where the sane people are

[prisma obsidian]

No no, there's games on roblox that will teleport you into another game once you load into the original one and force your character to spam horrific garbage, causing the roblox anti-cheat to auto ban you.

[silk hollow]

hot take: this happened so you'll have to buy vrc plus for all the cool features 🧠

[umbral reef]

So far i know proton doesnt allow the video players to work-

[honest valley]

those games are now gone and the users got ip and poison banned tho

[vale beacon]

Not meant to stop? That's pretty much exactly what the blog post says it's for. Additionally the introduction of EAC will remove means that already exist that combat crashers and avatar ripping.

[silver ruin]

Yeah ik. That was a reply for someone else who thhought the update was already out on the live servers.

[vocal shard]

can't you just fix the window to a certain resolution?

[eager wind]

even now i think the dynamic bones added by mods, are way better than the lacking phys bones.

[somber palm]

I wonder how much shareholder influence drives this decision.. I think that's the part that scares me..

[lime pilot]

Lost the game

[raw plaza]

they will never acknowledge the grooming issue, because doing so would have investors dipping left and right, and the game would be pulled from the oculus store if they were to put any kind of age requirement

[lament lodge]

They would have to add features first for that to happen

[silk hollow]

lmao true

[rough axle]

General 1 is unusable lmao

[topaz ravine]

Gen 1 is hurting my eyes.

[hard needle]

that's what i'm thinking, there is no way the dev team decided this on their own. Someone else must have had a say in this to make the game more "family friendly"

[vernal leaf]

i don't really get crashed, i don't have ppls avi's on really unless i'm talking directly to them. feel like this whole EAC thing would be chill if they implimented systems to prevent people from crashing or had a detection system that prevents crashing avi's from being uploaded. tldr: devs need to get good

[worthy helm]

Me :)

[vocal shard]

yea i understand that, i mean im placing my trust into them at this point cause judging by their post their intentions seem to be in the right place, they've shown so far they're very much pro-creators and pro-players by how restriction free they kept their game all things considered (i make avatars and my god some are BADLY optimized, i salute them for not placing harsher restrictions to upload avatars), so i'm really just hoping this goes in the direction they plan, which would overall improve the game experience for everyone in the long-term even if it means temporary discomfort and drawbacks

[kindred lake]

Will that Update fix people from saying the bad words in public lobbies? And stop people from being sexual in public lobbies, especially the loli avatar ones? Please yes ;C

[white harness]

LMFAO

[vale beacon]

Unfortunately yes.

[vocal shard]

Welcome to the kinda chill one

[hexed gull]

Any time the team pings #vrchat-general-1 becomes unusable

[eager wind]

oof. i totally forgot about mods for ppl who are deaf and heard of hearing... some ppl have actually made software modifications that do that

[low shale]

@sly veldt The Community runs your game, you have made a massive mistake trying to add EAC. To be honest you probably should set up a channel where you say what the dev team wants to add in the future and see the response from the community but knowing the dev team they only want money so thats never gonna happen

[lament lodge]

Yep I can't help but wonder if vrchat has some rich buyer lined up who knows enough about video games to know "hackers bad" and demand anti cheat put in but not know anymore. Would explain why all the other blatant issues aren't addressed

[plush cove]

Nah

[rough axle]

This is the worst part. They're cutting a ton of features with no replacement in sight. "We might make the menu turn with you later" are you kidding me?

[rugged agate]

The game has a hard limit on mirror resolution for performance reasons, but that can't be adjusted on the user side. This makes mirrors look blurry on higher resolution headsets

[hot cipher]

Yeah they all say that, though reality is all locks can break

The difference is it's harder to break a lock than open a unlocked door, so non crashers would have a harder time csuding chaos/harassment

On the other hand tho it worsens crashers since no custom clients and anyone can make crashy avatars

[lost agate]

haha im so happy. the update is gonna make so many lowlifes cry. cant wait for their excuses xD

[winter venture]

Preach

[hard needle]

yes, people who have a black and white view of everything do defend this update

[hasty kettle]

Some yes. For me, I think the update just needs to be reorganized and rethought a bit. Working with the modded community to provide features and safety and ensuring great updates in the future. As well as merging the community BEFORE adding in the EAC. But thats just my way of thinking

[willow rain]

they cant be serious with this making all mods un usable like this is bull crap i get a almost 30 fps difference using emmcrc mod losing that puts me in the 15-25fps range like thats unfair as all heck man legit so many streamers uses mods for VRC like huge ones what the heck is gona happen to their content now

[dim cloud]

fr like wtf

[vivid hare]

This is the time we’re y’all actually fucked up. You guys are going to lose so much money and so much people. Good luck only having quest users

[vernal leaf]

yeh they do stink

[white harness]

me, not surprised to see you in here LMFAO

[worthy helm]

Quest users are majority of playerbase

[silk hollow]

first the NSFW policy change, now the EAC update- vrc team is making some bad moves

[real dew]

Im gonna quit vrc I swear

[eager wind]

more like, do not install tiktok cause it's a spyware >w>

[plush cove]

I mean i already know that tomorrow yall gonna be silent like the avatar 3.0 update

[lost agate]

More, i need more tears

[hot cipher]

But anticheat isn't DRM where the goal of that is black and white as one cracked copy can become many@vale beacon

[unique perch]

The devs know EAC is malware they just also know you have nowhere else to go.

[umbral goblet]

what policy change?

[vocal shard]

no horni

[candid flint]

we go from the best update (physbones) to the worst update (this dumpster fire update)

[lament lodge]

Ngl I've started touching grass and it's been much more enjoyable

[sand beacon]

With EAC I might have to permanently disable nametags now :/

[wintry haven]

no

[dim cloud]

fr fr

[kindred lake]

@winter venture they finally fixed people being racist in vrchat, with the upcoming update!

[bright vigil]

FUN FACT: eac for vrchat has already been bypassed XDDD

[tight otter]

@turbid peak is cute

[real dew]

I might just play valorant for the rest of my life

[worthy helm]

It was a form of sugar coating, there will be worse to come I can promise lol

[white harness]

No absolutely not. The update is dumb and it does more damage than they realize. I'm for mods lmfaooooo

[hot cipher]

What did they do there?

[remote bone]

Same Ngl

[silk hollow]

they suddenly switched their stance from "nsfw content is cool in private as long as it's not shared elsewhere (but if you post on social media we'll look the other way)" to "okay all NSFW content is now banned and we'll ban users that share that content on social media"

although, admittedly, I'm not the most educated on this debate

[wintry haven]

i'm deafist

[vale beacon]

I'm sorry what? When did I ever compare anti-cheat to DRM? Are you just going to ignore the fact that EAC is laughable easy to circumvent if you know what you're doing?

[eager wind]

they changed the NSFW policy. before, it was jsut don't use public or friends+ for nsfw content. now it's strictly invite only

[kindred lake]

xD

[umbral reef]

If reported it would get you always banned. Private or not.

[bright vigil]

ong 3 clients updated like 10 mins ago with workarounds

[worthy helm]

Based

[willow rain]

EAC WONT HELP there are so many other ways people crash in game Cheaters bypass stuff all the time adding an anti cheat is only going to make normally friendly safe for work mod users unable to enjoy the game and run the game let alone defend with anti crashing mods

[grand ember]

Its also dont show it on social media :V

[hot cipher]

Wtf that's bullshit

[copper light]

K

[white harness]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1212-eac-disproportionately-punishes-deaf-and-hard-of-hearing-users

[silk hollow]

yeah, the sudden change with that is what really got people angry

[lost agate]

aye clients are so gud they know how 2 bypass all eac omg omg im masr haccr plz believ m3

[eager wind]

and sure. i say keep it away from younger ppl. but also, DON'T just punish everyone for a handfull of dumb/ bad ppl. especially those trolls who do it intentionally

[vivid hare]

Ik that’s why I said good luck Having only QUEST users.

[kindred lake]

Wdym? There is no racism in the next update right?

[sand beacon]

VR/“Metaverse” is huge as an accessibility tool and preventing mods only hurts that

[white harness]

this guy said it ^^ listen to them

[worthy helm]

I mean I guarantee a lot of pc users will stay, I've never used a client, haven't really had a need, this just means better security which is nice 👍

[sullen quartz]

Exactly! Agreed! Its not safe for younger kids an its a good safety precaution

[uncut vale]

Game is 13+, with majority being adults or higher aged teenagers. Children shouldn’t be on this game IMO, but it still happens.

[silk glen]

@covert chasm You use mods so you should be banned with all the other people that will be banned

[somber palm]

"VrChat 2" The redemption ark~

[kindred lake]

It was sarcasm.

[winter rune]

vrc finally ended racism! ❤️

[bright vigil]

also fun fact: a guy is going around popular worlds with photon bots and crashing users xD have fun guys

[hexed gull]

I was gonna say, I've been playing this shit for 4 years and all I use is OVR and XS lol

[hot cipher]

Implictly by the idea of "it's never meant to be broken" which yeah if DRM ever broke of course it's worthless

That said, playing devil's advocate aside, this does look to be a crappily implemented change, why can't there ever be an anti cheat friendly modding api

[terse brook]

some people here are misinformed. using a free open sourced mod REQUIRES VRC+ to use infinite favorites. if you don’t support the game they don’t let u use it

[eager wind]

do i look like a dumb troll who goes around in groups shouting racial slurs and showing of nsfw avatars?? no! so why punish me for their dumb behavior?? and how is this going to stop actual avatars that are the main crashers?? not mods that do things like Anti-crashers and Subtitles, for deaf ppl

[worthy helm]

Ovr and xs gang, it's all you need 😎👍

[vale beacon]

Oh. Ok. You were playing Devil's Advocate. My bad for jumping to the conclusion that you were defending this. My apologies.

[vestal delta]

"reduce ripping" yeah right , every single fucking avatar I have uploaded has been ripped , maybe sort that shit out instead

[livid rose]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-with-captions-capybara-ok-i-pull-up-ok-i-pull-up-capybara-capybara-jump-gif-25121772

[sullen quartz]

also off topic but I really like the art work you have for banner an pfp, I also do content as a content creator an I respect others awesome branding

[white harness]

Some clients offer better security that Vrchat just doesnt have. Some clients block easy rip software and some spoof your ip to protect against poeple who are playing the game just to be a nuisance.

[silver hatch]

there are subtitles mods? where can i find them?

[winged cargo]

yo i just want devs to not shit on the portion of the userbase who has been here for YEARS and the most likely to give them money. but what do i know, im not a quest user.

[strange lava]

Kinda cringe

[eager wind]

they just don't want modders doing a better job of managing their severs for them. do they even play their own game? how many devs do you think secretly use mods too

[wide dust]

I'd like you to explain.

[vale beacon]

Lol we in slow-mode now.

[umbral reef]

For the IP thing just turn off untrusted urls and your IP wont get shared/leaked anywhere at all...
Also anti rip isnt a thing, your playing a unity game, those client devs be capping to you

[vocal shard]

yea a collaboration would be great, but tbh they addressed that they spoke to modders and creators during the process of this update so i wonder how much they'll be involved in future feature development, we might get collaboration but more internal

[worthy helm]

I mean I guess different wants/needs from players, I don't care too much about avi ripping and if I wanted to spoof I'd just use a VPN ynow

[honest valley]

we already were in slowmode tho

[lost agate]

darn.. if only i had popcorn. Oh well, its not like things can get even funnier then this, this is great x3

[vivid hare]

Almost all pc users use mods

[sullen quartz]

Yee I friended ya an I saw you through the sea of spam lmao, Hope that doesn't come off as creepy, Don't need to accept the friend request if you ain't comfy, I just like meeting other content creators

[ashen wadi]

[citation needed]

[ionic verge]

Lol

[lament lodge]

From the extent it sounds like they're just taking the obvious ideas given to them

[hasty kettle]

I mean any collaboration would be good. But do it BEFORE the eac is just my thing.

[eager wind]

it's a group called helping hands. technically that's jsut one of the groups. there's multiple

[vale beacon]

It's 1 minute now as opposed to 5 seconds of whatever it was on before.

[winged cargo]

it wouldnt be in beta if it wasnt planned for release...

[kindred lake]

🙏 Thanks VRChat for ending racism! 😍 😍 😍 😍
I love you VRChat!

[wide dust]

I'd like you to explain what a "gang monkey" is.

[honest valley]

thats odd

[ashen wadi]

it's been 1min for at least half an hour

[regal forge]

just cancel vrc+ and don't get on for a week

[lament lodge]

Can't wait for the YouTube documentaries

[lost agate]

People have been saying that for years... oh wait.. its thriving now actually, whoops

[calm whale]

pray for all the people who relied on disability mods to even play vrc 🙏

[vocal shard]

yea thats fair, i guess they just want to work out the bugs rn before adding the features, build the framework so to speak, idk that much about eac but from what ppl are saying here its not that safe, so i wonder how they intend on making it safe

[subtle flare]

Boycott Vrchat

[umbral reef]

We all know most people here would suffer from the worse withdrawal effects if they dont play VRC for a few days

[vestal delta]

Literally allowing ripper-store to operate but saying eac will solve things regarding avatar ripping, nice

[eager wind]

no the match was already lit. it's just now the fire has made it's way down to the end and is burning their fingers. there's only so much ppl could handle till the fire got too hot

[clever shale]

they are most likely one of those that enjoy crashing ppl

[sullen quartz]

would you be ok If i friended you? If not thats oki Doki, Also just incase your worried I'm a gal an happily dating so I aint no creep, I like makin friends

[vale beacon]

I'll let NerdSlayer know so he can put VRC in his Death of a Game queue.

[mental creek]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

[hasty kettle]

Exactly, build that framework first with known and working code.

As for the EAC, its a kernal based anitcheat. Thats fine, there are a lot like that, but the issue is it has a lot of wellknown bypasses. And one of the clients already has a bypass

[lament lodge]

Aaaaayyyyyyyy

[umbral reef]

#vrchat-general-2 message
I also saw @eager wind talk about hearing impaired peeps. Check tuppers msg out on it

[dim cloud]

"all it takes is one scummy developer to fully abuse the capabilities of having an all accessing "anti-cheat" software, hell its been proven to be possible before, iirc Defcon had an entire panel about modifying kernel-level anticheats from a user standpoint to deploy malicious code across net" - what my mate had to say about eac

[clever shale]

i didnt mean you , i meant the person that for this update @drowsy dagger

[vocal shard]

well rip xD this is about to get interesting

[sullen quartz]

Yay thankies! You pretty radical!

[hot cipher]

I kinda was bu the reality is I'm split. Initially was mad fully due to Proton (glad that works still), now a bit more mixed but while more moderation good, the fact people are losing freedom to customize and improve VR Chat and need to wait for them to bestow the features upon its people is disheartening a bit

It's just an ugly situation all around, and the more I see jarassment and the level of stufg needed to fight it, and yet how platgorms promote harassment, makes me think Web 2.0 beyond Wikipedia is a mistake

Gib Geocities over Twitter and YT any day

[ashen wadi]

iirc they get the majority of the avatars on there from unsuspecting mod users

[uncut vale]

So.. what are they going to do about the shader crashers put on avatars? 😂

[subtle flare]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

[vocal shard]

Welp everyone, time to switch to NeosVR heard you can convert your avatar to that game if u have the unity file for it

[regal forge]

just downloaded neos and uninstalled vrc

[clever shale]

i meant the person you replied to not you

[umbral goblet]

what does lemon mean?

[hot cipher]

Ooh nice

[hasty kettle]

Ive been saying that for the past 30 min.

[vocal shard]

the upload for neos is a walk in the park compared to vrc, its so niceee

[sullen quartz]

ya know what guys, we are offically winning the battle an please keep fighting buut could I ask if people like undertale?

[winter venture]

I cant be racist anymore 😦

[white harness]

The same thing theyre going to do about grown men and women praying on children in the game. Nothing.

[visual minnow]

yee is pretty good

[lost agate]

adios folks, have fun on neos, ima stay on a platform that actually matters. you wont be missed x3

[regal forge]

#switching to neos?

[torpid cargo]

Yup

[regal furnace]

neos and cvr both are a mess

[vestal delta]

I haven't used mods in over a year and yet they all get uploaded. They pretend ripper-store doesn't exist by blocking the word and getting their own avatars blacklisted

[normal sleet]

Not chillout

[winged cargo]

whoa whoa whoa.... we all know tupper is a POS but we dont need to break federal laws by doxing the poor guy

[hot cipher]

What does it say, to lazy to login

[calm whale]

I'm apparently not allowed to view it

[ashen wadi]

not what i meant. i mean mod users are the ones ripping the avatars of people in the lobbies.

[regal forge]

I'll be fine with neos lol, if not theres plenty of other non vrc places to go lmao, I wont support this company anymore

[lost agate]

Hell yeah!

[eager wind]

cause VRchat was probably too lazy to secure your account info so you can lazily log in "or whatever" xD

[sullen quartz]

Ok I know we are mad but please no Doxxing, Just we are all humans, lets just have basic respect. Still be pissed tho like continue the riot

[full sail]

isn't invested enough to relocate on a whim. Puts more water on for tea

[umbral reef]

They literally cant do shit about the website though-
Legally they are out of there reach and stopping rippers is close to imposible ingame.
Also you yourself dont need to use the client for your avatar to get ripped, just one of your friends in that private lobby is enough for it to vanish.

[lament lodge]

Yep

[subtle flare]

theres always secondlife

[honest valley]

yeah... aint touching that

[hot cipher]

Yeah doxxing is fucking ridiculous, especially over anti cheat goddd

[vale beacon]

Yeah. I get what you're saying. But then again, when you create a platform where players are anonymous by default, you have to expect some people to take things too far. The question is how you deal with those users specifically, not how to punish everyone else because of a minority.

[vocal shard]

you know that'd just turn into horni content 24/7

[eager wind]

noooooo. no thanks. i'm not spending money on secondlife.

[regal forge]

show the love and support by using this server nickname ^^ ❤️

[sullen quartz]

Yeah also hi nice to meetchya!, would you wanna be my friend lol, I've been makin friends through the storm lol

[lament lodge]

Bruh have you tired sansar their vrchat game? Omg it's soooooo bad

[worthy helm]

Just ban nsfw fully 🙂

[lost agate]

I got them after me before, i ate them like breakfist. Reproting is a wonderfull thing if you know how to 😉

[deft notch]

I hear CVR might be the move

[vocal shard]

that anti cheat is killing the fan base

[umbral reef]

Update aint even live 🤡

[onyx parcel]

can i get a Yorkshire please?

[subtle flare]

Kekw

[vocal shard]

their UI/inventory is actual pain, i wouldnt recommend that mess to anyone

[lament lodge]

Someone remind me to cancel my vrc plus when I get home in like 25 minutes

[eager wind]

why should i pay for VRC+ if the whole point to it was to get more saves? dumb

[regal forge]

it does if you have a 18+ avatar

[lost agate]

Tell that to the 50+ people that cant play this game anymore for the next 4y lol

[hasty kettle]

Not always. Many malicious clients have means to crash you and harass you that are code based, not avatar based. Many security mods prevented this

[hot cipher]

The point is such platforms sre doomed to die. Either become 4chan hate pit or become a sanitized corpo zone or 1984

Hence the Geocities joke. Bad content sits on the internet with minimal promotion to rot

[uncut vale]

Or the kids under their age limit being on the game smh.

If anything, at this point, if they continue down this road, the game is just going to be burnt to the ground. 😂

[vestal delta]

So basically what you are saying is we should let everyone know in #avatar-general that their creations are not safe

[sullen quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628

[full copper]

If the update gets finalized we should do a massive boycott and leave the discord the game and cancel vrc+

[odd stone]

that's what you think though... they legit have account farms for replacements every time they get banned

[full sail]

I gotchu

[vocal shard]

yea good point

[timber widget]

If vrchat was a city, it would be on fire

[umbral reef]

Yes-
Nothing you upload in the game is safe.
Its the sad truth of the internet and modern hardware.

this also applies to any photo you upload online, any file, msg or what ever uploaded.
There is a reason why a lot of well known game characters are available online, those got too taken from there games.

[eager wind]

reporting is debatable. it really depends because if you don't have enough info, pictures or any recorded data, there's nothing htat can be done about it. and in-game reports? psssh. you can only do 1 report every so often instead of being able to report multiple ppl in a troll group harrassing people

[lost agate]

and if i come across them again, ill flippin do it again xD

[sullen quartz]

we can all agree that they should change the name to Vrchat Minus aka Vrchat-, like get that trending ya know?

[rugged agate]

It inconveniences crashers and script kiddies for a short while. That's about it.

[misty onyx]

Day 1 of open beta and chaos in all chats.

[cobalt zephyr]

this seems like such a backwards move

[eager wind]

all i can think of is the B meme

[raw plaza]

If u want an example of EAC in action, look at Rust and how there's totally no hackers there! a single google search totally wont net you multiple public bypasses or hack providers. nope. no hacks! never have i run into aimbots and people with multiple vac bans still cheating in rust, still circumventing bans!

[round igloo]

yoo nice avatar Lumine, I need to get caught up on that webtoon tbh

[vale beacon]

Not really because every single platform has to deal with this problem.

[umbral reef]

Cant have the good without the bad.
Also Tupper send this earlier:

You can use RabidCrab's implementation, which uses OSC! https://www.patreon.com/RabidCrab

There's also a FOSS implementation: https://github.com/VRCWizard/TTS-Voice-Wizard (along with this: https://github.com/killfrenzy96/KillFrenzyAvatarText/)

[regal furnace]

the amount of alts of banned people here is kinda ridiculous

[noble dirge]

i gotta say, genuinely surprised the chats arent locked down yet

[crimson dome]

This

[vocal shard]

Anyone doxxing Tupper is so incredibly brain dead

[hasty kettle]

EAC already has a bypass installed into a malicious client, and all non-malicious clients that can defend against it are banned.

Cause for concern

[wide dust]

Still waiting on your explanation of "gang monkey". I sure hope it's not you being cute and racist.

[uncut vale]

All the mods and management are hiding 👀

[signal lava]

I have physical disabilities that cause me to not be able to move in certain ways so I use comfort settings for better turning and keeping myself from getting nauseous
i understand why some mods were removed, but they could’ve at least planned to do their knock off versions of the good mods more recently

[misty onyx]

Most likely

[fiery thorn]

They are just deleting a couple ones lmao

[vocal shard]

i mean this channel is much more civil than the other general, which is just anarchy xD

[severe lily]

This^^^

[eager wind]

hackers, sure. but crashers and trollers, racism and creepy ppl? naah no good there. we can only remove the anti-crahser modders and ppl who want to use the classic bone physics added by mods. and even then, it doesn't stop in-game cheating either

[topaz ravine]

If you know how to do it, yes. You just have to convert them.

[subtle flare]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

[regal furnace]

i kinda feel bad for tupper

[noble dirge]

I think gen-1 may be in the middle of a riot

[sand beacon]

Some people may genuinely support EAC but keep in mind that supporting a bad thing on purpose to make others upset a more frequent way of trolling nowadays. A number of people do it now and might be doing that here.

[white harness]

I like this general better than the other one. the other one all of my stuff kept getting deleted. Who's in charge of deleting in this one??

[umbral reef]

Depends how hard the avatar creator scammed ya-
If you got the avatar files in unity then yea sure, as you actually own the files and can do w/e with it.
If you dont, you got yourself scammed really

[hot cipher]

Yeah, and the internet looks like a hellish mess of scum and villiany where hatred and evil are often memes that spread like viruses as mods fumbke to contain flames

[full copper]

If the update gets finalized we should do a massive boycott and leave the discord the game and cancel vrc+

[raw plaza]

i was being sarcastic, eac does nothing to solve malicious client users

[glad marten]

🇲 🅾️ 🇷 🇧 🇮 🇳 🇹 🇮 🇲 🇪

[eager wind]

oh ok

[white harness]

yes

[lost agate]

Basicly a script kiddo that doesnt know how to code anything and feels powerfull because his mom never gave him a headpat. So he feels he has to install a mod that he doesnt understand, nor even coded, to have any meaning at all. being in a group of likeminded weak people with no lives nor social skill.

[cobalt zephyr]

what about face tracking, i just got a new headset and a month later this?

[umbral reef]

Mods are also not part of the game natively 🙃
Give it a while and free alternatives will get popular and well known (and dont just check the first thing i linked... the others are free)

[primal ether]

viva la revolution

[sand beacon]

It is, in fact, not Morbin’ time 😔

[hot cipher]

Humanity just sucks too much to have an international bulletin board by the second

[topaz ravine]

That’s more geared toward Twitch and Fansly sites because of VRC having a TOS over that.

[vocal shard]

Tupper does not deserve the doxxing, this community is completely and utterly insane and everyone here needs mental help.

[vocal shard]

headpats save lives

[lost agate]

This is not an oppion, this is a well known fact, thank you ❤️

[dim cloud]

yo you guys remember when csgo blocked third party dlls and cheat devs bypassed it within less than an hour?
same things gonna happen here with vrc, eac is awful

[vale beacon]

As someone already said, hard of hearing players and users with disabilities will lose accessibility features.
Crashing, ripping and account theft will only be reduced temporarily, then will come back and become MORE prominent than ever since players will no longer have any protections against crashing or ripping.

[raw plaza]

yes, that's what im saying. it was sarcasm. rust is rampant with hackers lmfao

[ashen wadi]

Honestly idgaf about mods but they really do need better built-in accessibility.

[umbral reef]

You just flat out didnt read what i wrote right? you had like 20 seconds to do so...

The second and third link i send are free alternatives that dont cost money

[scenic ruin]

Quality of life mods shouldn't be banned
Pickup priority, prop orbit and ripping are all fair things to want banned
But a flashlight, menu colour and avatar searching?
That's just fucking dumb

[hot cipher]

Another example of humanity being terrible

Congrats you showed that adding EAC was the right thing as they got doxxed

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[topaz ravine]

Cancel through Steam.

[eager wind]

mods are a pretty big part of games and gaming. they can make and break games. making by extending a games life and attention span for players to openly look for new ways to play games. and BReak by removing that from an already well-open game with modding. take that away, and you seriously break the game and its communitys interest in the game

[sharp saddle]

Can we not freak out over every major update, please?

[fiery thorn]

I just want mods for the anti-crash type stuff.

[raw plaza]

vrc rly looked at their infected foot, shot off the healthy foot and called it a day. sayin all good! fixed. job well done

[fair sable]

So if openvr amd fsr tool is now considered a mod and now not accepted, what about those using other openvr tools like every questie with fbt?

[sand beacon]

I’ve cancelled so many subscriptions, changed so many spending habits because I no longer support certain things, etc. It’s like the world wants me to spend no money. I’ll let my VRC+ run out and depending on where things are I may not renew.

[torn hornet]

bait account

[left canyon]

god frick i was playing with my friend then my controllers died ):

[umbral reef]

Just read the blogpost https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[topaz ravine]

HEADS up though: All of these people dropping VRC+ and the game itself are mainly non malicious client users. I hope they don’t look at the loss in revenue and assume they’re getting rid of malicious users. The majority is people using harmless add ons.

[barren whale]

apparently theyre going after lewd avatars as well

[uncut vale]

This.

[glad marten]

Some people are overreacting by saying fck this game, im going to Neos or chillout, why would we go from a super good game like this to another game that has problems we dont have. The mods just need to change their minds about this update

[fair sable]

Obviously i did read the blogpost. Because the first part of my message is from the blogpost

[torn hornet]

no sex

[wide dust]

Doxxing does nothing but cause spite. Protest, cancel your subscription, and if it comes to it leave VRChat. Just don't ruin another person's life over gormless development decisions.

[eager wind]

well obviously. VRchat devs have had no chance to fix their own servers. so they just tell us not to go in public servers. it's like if the police station never stopped crimes. they just tell the citizens to "avoid sketchy areas". VRchat just blankets the issues instead of really focusing on where the actual issues are

[vale beacon]

Seriously guys... Don't doxx people... We get it, you're not happy with this update, but by doxxing the developers, you give them an excuse to ignore the backlash and go ahead with this incredibly stupid decision.

[umbral reef]

Tl;dr then
If it edit games files its a nono
If it edit Steams value's and ect then its fine as thats on your end and not VRC's stuff

[onyx smelt]

Doxxing does more than spite.. It literally causes people to leave companies or have mental health issues

[hasty kettle]

Malicious clients already have bypasses made or being made. So this doesnt make sense

[round igloo]

That's always been the case though, unless you mean they're going to start testing private avatars for inappropriate toggles or something.

[torn hornet]

bait account but true statement

[eager wind]

how the heck did ppl doxx the developers? probably not via VRchat. so it looks like even their own updates can't help them. doesn't that defeat the purpose of even having this "security" update?

[topaz ravine]

Makes sense if someone looks at the player base dropping and thinks they’re getting rid of negative people when in reality it was just harmless individuals.

[vocal shard]

mm cold orange juice is hitting just right rn

[jovial lynx]

well looks like im not gonna play anymore 😐

[limber patio]

Tupper isn't even a dev though he's the community manager

[vocal shard]

The simps for NEOSVR are out in full today, get your dollar store boycott outta here.

[torn hornet]

bait account 💀 🤓

[void idol]

Has it calmed down?

[eager wind]

very baity

[sharp berry]

I hate this new vrchat beta update

[wide dust]

He's a channel for us to reach out to the developers.

[honest valley]

maybe because of the eac=good update thing

[topaz ravine]

Honestly I think I’m just gonna take a break from the game unless something positive happens and switch to another platform.

[fair sable]

I'm referring to quest users that use openvr for the ability to have fullbody. That's their largest portion of the fanbase. I don't have that issue being on a htc headset. I'm just asking if other openvr tools outside of the fsr tool will trigger its detection

[vocal shard]

tupper isnt to blame for this, he's just doing his job as community mod, please dont attack or target any of the mods here

[sand beacon]

Your display name being “EAC = Good update”. If its ur real opinion, then great. Otherwise you’re just doing what all these “they deserved it” YouTube trolls are doing.

[latent obsidian]

I have never seen this much of a backlash before let alone heard one imma be honest

[ashen wadi]

it shouldn't. even says so in the blog post

[limber patio]

Well tell that to the people who ended up in doxxing him anyways

[void kiln]

Honestly I’m gonna suffer in VRC without the mods I use

[quasi ermine]

Same

[torn hornet]

i'll be in chilloutVR actually 🌭

[hasty kettle]

Not exactly. So there are a lot of big issues that come with an EAC

For malicious clients: no issues. They have bypasses that are being installed so it doesnt really affect them at all

For non-malicious mod users: everything is broke. For a lot of people, they use it for content creation, for diabilities, for defence against malicious mods.

Your arguement is simplistic and flawed logic because there are other games that support these features, why spend time with one that is gonna remove them, ignoring requests for years

[late pilot]

"If the users don't control the program, the program controls the users. With proprietary software, there is always some entity, the "owner" of the program, that controls the program and through it, exercises power over its users. A nonfree program is a yoke, an instrument of unjust power." - Richard Stallman

[fringe cliff]

what is chillout vr?

[topaz ravine]

I haven’t been on Chillout in a while. Might just see how it is.

[fair sable]

EAC also falsely detected and banned users in bf2042 for having logitech g hub and iCUE installed. Lol

[vocal shard]

he didnt drop the bad bad update tho, so why

[lost agate]

people cant exploit the game no more ohno, lets all rebel against the game. The logic behind such thoughts is just so funny. Grow up. You all accepted the ToS, and you didnt follow it. Its a legal right for you to f off. so stop crying. VRC will do fine without you.

[round igloo]

Don't personally attack or doxx the developers either. I don't like the beta changes myself and I'm in support of them changing their view on it, but they're still actual people with lives, and it's just a bloody game, lol.

[limber patio]

Tupper is literally the community manager not a developer, if you're gonna let a dev know something I think scaring Tupper would probably not be the way to do it

[umbral reef]

Odds are big it wont but im not well known with the openVR tool your talking about.
Give it some time and the devs (of OVR) will prob tell them yourself if its fine for not

[eager wind]

have ppl actually played the beta to see what it's really like?

doxxing the developers, while it's seriouslt frowned upon, just proves that i don't think ppl have to use VRchat to steal ppls info. the devs jsut use this as their excuse to add safety features in around mods which don't even do that.

[torn hornet]

look it up on steam

[wide dust]

You tell them.

[rancid willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/757187539638550610/1001204285842915408/VRChat-AnitCheat.gif

[umbral goblet]

i have both of them lol

[vocal shard]

yea i saw that but why save it is what i meant

[vale beacon]

I have 2FA and my account is linked with Steam. I'm about as secure as I can be. Although 2FA isn't a silver bullet solution. I've had my Uplay account compromised multiple times with 2FA being bypassed entirely every time because Ubisoft's player account security is terrible.

[ashen wadi]

this is the stupidest point anyone's made in any of this

[fair sable]

So do i lol.

[lost agate]

been on this game since 2017, ive seen way waaay worse then this. They'll do fine.

[void kiln]

Medical conditions and shit with me

[torn hornet]

fuck VRChat im gonna be moving to AMONG US VR

[winged cargo]

we need a bot in this discord that counts users who have cancelled VRC+ subscriptions

[limber patio]

I will say though this exact situation has happened before when VRChat banned certain community developers and VRChat reversed that

[hot cipher]

Wow you don't seem to care about how somebody's life is threatened over an update

Like boo fucking hoo go play neos or others, VRChat doesn't have a monopoly. IDK why somebody's life has to be on the line for mOdS

I like mods but holy crap

[topaz ravine]

What’s the bot that shows how many are playing right now?

[umbral goblet]

what happened then?

[vocal shard]

what about minecraft VR tho

[honest valley]

this reminds me of that one update that rendered the game unplayable for low-end users unless you deleted an oculus plugin

[ashen wadi]

assuming they even had subscriptions in the first place

[eager wind]

stupid how? i think it's a lot more stupid to wanting to ban modding for things like anti-crash. cause my god has that been really useful for me in the past

[umbral reef]

We are going outside now

[vocal shard]

Imagine pushing an anti cheat because you cant actually do back end security so you ruin the game for most of your community. If this goes through me and many other people will stop supporting you. This means many VRC+ subs will be canceled and the player count will go way down. on another side of this I use mods on this game to protect me because there are such things as avatars that can and will ruin your computer. getting rid of these mods means ill have to go back to hiding anyone and everyone. the whole fun of being able to show everyone without getting crashed was making it better to socializing with others. So please VRchat from someone who has played and loved your game for three years dont do this it will not be in your favor.

[quasi ermine]

rip

[wide dust]

Now we're here.

[limber patio]

History repeats itself
So VRChat banned certain community devs and there was a big backlash because of the same exact reasons people are angry about EAC being added rn.

[winged cargo]

love how even the nitro boosters are pissed

[heady cedar]

^^

[vocal shard]

oh no OG vrchat was a trainwreck xD the 2FPS performance tho

[silent yarrow]

🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕

[sharp saddle]

Can we stop with the spam? It's not anywhere near constructive.

[atomic pivot]

Love how any critique just gets deleted lmao nice suppressing of opinions!

[lost agate]

true lol, however i ran fine on my 970 back then at 30fps

[night perch]

Question though! What about those with disability that actually cannot play the game now? The use of mods allowed them to specifically be able to play the game and now they cannot.

[calm whale]

ngl, a discord of this size is incapable of constructive communication

[topaz ravine]

I just think they’d benefit partnering with non malicious bases. Would solve the problem and increase player base based on good performance and better options.

[burnt frigate]

Imagine removing accessibility mods for people that have disabilities.

[limber patio]

Mods are just enforcing the rule of not discussing certain things, same on the subreddit.

[vocal shard]

im surprised mine wasnt deleted yet

[honest valley]

unironically based

[pine stream]

i wish instead of vrchat putting their effort into banning mods even wholesome ones, i wish theyd put effort into banning the pedos and weirdos on the game

[vocal shard]

aww i had laptops all the time until i got a PC 2 years ago, so you can imagine running vrc on that

[sharp saddle]

Hard to do without hard evidence.

[eager wind]

pretty much yeah. it's gonna have a lot of both constructive and nonconstructive criticism. but currently mostly not constructive. it just sucks..

[atomic pivot]

keep dreaming, they've been like this since 2017

[full sail]

I saw this lad vent. Sus af

[ashen wadi]

i've been playing since 2015, when the max player count was like 20

[hasty kettle]

I believe the thinking was there are options out there. However, due to some processing time and compatibility issues, these options are not the most viable, if at all. Mods were a way to make them good options.

[latent obsidian]

because why would someone wanna have common sense to protect children all over the world from being traumatized on your game, yeah that’ll be covered right up

[stiff charm]

Sips OJ, watching this massacre

[tame tinsel]

This eac does nothing but make malicious players get creative

[obsidian solar]

April Fool ! ( late ) 🐟

[eager wind]

then lets make them care about those numbers... even more

[charred quest]

vrc should have at least tried to implement the QOL mods before going full nuclear. this is the dumbest decision i’ve seen the devs make

[umbral reef]

For hearing impaired people there are already tools that do the same thing mods did but without being illegal.
For others- Not sure, odds are the same applies though and else there is now reason to make them

[round igloo]

Imagine if rather than stifling mod creativity with this update though, they created in-built mod support and functionality 🤔

[latent obsidian]

well they can watch the numbers fall at this rate

[onyx parcel]

people that don't warn others in game of those people are the bad ones, right after the actual bad ones

[vocal shard]

size matters to them, what should i say

[gleaming flower]

Vote with your wallets

[hot cipher]

Over an update, mind ya this isn't other people being killed or human rights being threatened

The US just banned abortion in some states and has threatened trans youth and some guy spends the time to dox a developer over a fucking update. Not to say it's right to do it to lawmakers either over politics as that's never gonna help your case either there and just makes things worse, let alone hurting people is obviously bad, but my point is how fucking petty it was to dox over mOdS 🤦‍♀️

Mods in one damn game with a few million first-world users with decent PCs and VR setups, oh. My. God.

[pallid hull]

It’s funny how money drives the way people think.

[ashen wadi]

ah yes, implementing anticheat, totally the equivalent of a toxic workplace whose CEO assaults people

[topaz ravine]

That’s what I’m saying. Partnering=Opportunity in future development.

[vocal shard]

Just make a steam workshop and allow mods that way? Steam's hardcore with cracking down on anything that could be harmful.

[fiery thorn]

I just want the mods so I can have like anti-crash and some other neat stuff

[lost agate]

exacly. you know honestly im kinda hoping this will free up some breathing space for better moderation. Without many of the mods working (and please, if a script kiddo is gonna reply, i dont care, you are inexperienced believe all mistake, so hush) it should lower the daily report spam quite a bit. Better vrc basicly x3

[limber patio]

The community devs for different were banned but then unbanned and the devs said they would talk. I really do think either certain changes should be implemented or like some other people are suggesting a community workshop is added (and is easy to moderate as it's all in one place)

[tame tinsel]

Will it even matter vrc hasnt listened to us in the past chancez are theyll ignore us please vrc eac makes this so much worse

[uncut vale]

It’s also not like they took some of the made mod ideas and later put it in their game or anything 🙃 Nah, totally never happened at all.

[vale beacon]

BHVR?

[vocal shard]

my wallet likes the more avatar slots and pfp tho :c

[hot cipher]

Also Tupper didn't even make the update, god

[ashen wadi]

oculus DK2, plus the razer hydra for hand tracking. though i don't think i got the hydra til 2016.

[burnt frigate]

So vrchat you gonna remove this? which helps a lot of disabled users. SHAME!

https://twitter.com/TheFoxipso/status/1551640725455982593?s=20&t=YPJeswKz_nMAezIlVBbMMQ

[warped mountain]

I don’t think y’all are looking at everything. You do realize that modified clients have been banned for a while and they have said that even non-malicious clients are not allowed. Please tell me what is being lost here?

[stiff charm]

VRChat could just...you know maybe cap the particles limit so people can't put 10 billion particles on their avatar

[gleaming flower]

You can temporarily cancel. I believe you just can't add anything more but nothing gets taken

[winged cargo]

i hope theyre crying in their cheerios over the monthly financial report

[umbral reef]

Unsure about current things made for vision impaired peeps, if i find any and remember il for sure link you.

Also the main problem is that they cant keep the good while getting rid of the bad.Anyone saying they can is just plain wrong.

[tame tinsel]

I know i was saying the eac will prevent nothing and malicious users will just be more creative

[regal furnace]

their ego

[clever shale]

Now that your doing that , how about a Ban for all the moderators in the game too. Since they have to use Mods/Clients in order to find people with Clients. Instead of going after Clients that are made for Malicious Intend you go ater EVERYONE , even the ones that NEED mods because of their Disabilities. Sorry but i guess you realy dont give a shit about your Community then.

[lost agate]

what, harvesting users for free content like cattle not enough for you? streamers where the reason this game became a meme in the first place. We did fine without ya, so who cares

[limber patio]

The devs have actually listened before when it came to this topic but what it took is a massive amount of vrc+ cancelations. Like I said, history repeats itself, and here it is again to repeat itself.

[bitter crystal]

VRChat has serious accessibility issues that are going unaddressed.. Adding EAC just alienates those users further by preventing use of mods that do address those issues.

[sand beacon]

Anti-crash should be the number one priority imo and it’s been years and they haven’t implemented much of anything for it. I don’t really trust them to implement anything in a decent timeframe that replaces popular mods. And I don’t even use mods.

[night perch]

Also have some friends that cannot grip their controllers well. They literally cannot interact with anything without the use of mods to increase that sensitivity

EAC has a whitelisting feature from what I'm aware of. They are aware of some non-malicious ones, why not just whitelist those?

[solar berry]

among us

[fiery thorn]

Among us

[vocal shard]

There are more people who use it for normal things than there are people who use it for evil

[hollow tiger]

So, how y'all feeling this fine evening

[vocal shard]

and thats the problem because theres a lot more issues with this game than you know.

[regal furnace]

that game is worse than roblox

[honest valley]

KEK

[umbral reef]

Personally never heard of that whitelist options so i cant comment on it without knowing how it works.

Im fairly sure for the contoller problem there are tools to impact the steamVR side and not the VRC files itself.
A lot of misinformation and rage is happening, id personally give it some time to see if someone in your circle knows solutions as there are options out there.

[versed pivot]

lets get those playerbase numbers down people

[cosmic mirage]

The only way to defend yourself from crashers and the malicious clients that’ll have a work around soon enough

[tame tinsel]

Idek why i trusted vrc time and time again they fail to listen to the community so really none of us should be suprised they wanna fuck us over now.

[unique perch]

you don't need EAC to connect to photon. never trust the client

[hot cipher]

I havent played vrchat in a bit. Heard of the update from my brpther and went here to see the reaction. Not surprised.

And yeah I brought it up because that's way more than a few lines of compiled code that let you play as an anime character in VR

Fucking opposite political side doxxing sounds less petty than this shit when you think abput it from their POV, at least they didn't do it just because they're glued to their headset like you accused me

[topaz ravine]

There’s also the implication they’re doing this to appeal to Meta. Would be a really crummy move throwing the PB under the bus for corporation.

[raw plaza]

you're making too much sense, stop it. listen, dont you understand? you're supposed to follow in blind faith waiting for promised QoL updates for years without them ever being implemented (even the really, really really simple ones like portable mirrors and an UI that rotates with you so you can open ur menu when you lay down). how dare people get upset when the devs perform a leap backwards equivalent of landing on the moon but in the wrong direction

[vocal shard]

i have been playing vrchat since 1938, and i am sick of the mods not listening to me

when will i be upload my enemy's consciousness to black cat public instances

[misty onyx]

If only there was a way to have a game similar to vrchat that's on multiple platforms including oculus.

[limber patio]

So the main issue here is the community is going to be conflicted because some people just don't want to crash, some people are vanilla, and some people are malicious and ruin games.

[old shoal]

They complain about the non constructive criticism which is fair since there’s so much spam, but then delete valid criticisms and people trying to reason. They need to listen to their community. I am so incredibly disappointed by their decision and I’m confident that they’re going to lose so much revenue. I honestly hope that they do, it’s such a stupid decision that will deeply affect this community forever

[digital inlet]

Where is your proof?

[vale beacon]

Ah... Thanks for the info.

[winged cargo]

.... you must be new to vrchat

[regal furnace]

their 10 people community*
cant destroy what doesnt exist

[sharp saddle]

The salt is real.

[warped mountain]

Okay I don’t think y’all read my question correctly. Mods of all kinds, good and bad, were already not allowed. Please tell me what is being lost for just adding something that enforces the rule.

[ashen wadi]

the only "valid criticism" i've seen them delete is just the same copypasta that's been being spammed in every channel

[topaz ravine]

Implication. Not factual. Wasn’t stated as.

[limber patio]

The difference between VRChat and Blizzard is VRChat recieves funding through user subscriptions

[fair hill]

Nah, I've really enjoyed it so far. Been on there for 2 years. It's a nice community and there are a lot of things that vrchat does not support. There are some ups and downs of course, like everything

[hot cipher]

I do, just hasn't been for a bit (Steam Deck cool), I've been even in this channel for a while

[umbral reef]

If you find some options and recall mind linking/dming them to me?
That way i can also spread them around and help some peeps if i see they need it.

Personally im barely in the impaired scene so its hard to keep track of this for me

[vocal shard]

Thier playerbase

[regal furnace]

full body made me wanna vomit so bad was it

[raw plaza]

finally i can top the leaderboards in No Time Two Talk without all those pesky cheaters !!

[maiden forge]

whats a photon bot?

[vocal shard]

cope harder, no one cares especially the vrchat dev team

you guys were breaking TOS

[night perch]

I appreciate you though so thank you.

But yes. If I find options outside of mods I will try.

[livid rose]

A bot but like

[west rune]

With the update I will loose all my quality of life, good framerate and be crashed every 10 minutes in public lobby. I'm a little sad
From 72 fps to 30 yay

[lofty wraith]

Yeah absolutely.

[fair hill]

Yes, fbt is not implemented as I wanted as well. I have to say, it's pretty bad. It was planned to be fixed.... but the lack of players wasn't helping in testing/make it worth the effort. The avarage player base was 30 people at a time

[tame tinsel]

I like the users defending vrc like do you think daddy devs will love you for saying they did a good job or some shit

[violet raven]

what do you think are the downsides of ChilloutVR in comparsion to VRC?
I havent touched it since inital beta, so genuinely curious if its a viable option

[warped mountain]

They don’t even know who I am.

[maiden forge]

are the photon bots the ones with the weird pulsating sine wave noise in the left ear?

[vocal shard]

you can adjust your settings to hide all avatars but friends and reduce how much of an avatar you see (no shaders and particle for example) so you dont crash by someone loading their 500k poly ass

[west rune]

We need AvatarHider in the native game ASAP

[vocal shard]

3 person playerbases and cult like communities that will boot you for speaking any ill about the game or the people there

[burnt frigate]

Just cancel your vrc+ easy

[regal furnace]

time to post positive reviews and get vrc+

[limber patio]

I personally think VRChat should probably focus on a different kind of security and maybe accessibility instead of making part of their playerbase angry.

[winged cargo]

mods have been the bread and butter of video games since doom 95. "mods" arent inherently bad. SOME mods are used for ill intent are inherently bad. people arent inherently bad, SOME people who use mods with ill intent are inherently bad. the problem isnt ALL MODS. the problem is stupid people with stupid tools to use for the lulz.

[fair hill]

Downsides..... uhm. For sure the playerbase, the lack of UDON or avatar 3.0 is notable. It is still doable to do stuff, but a little more tricky.
Probably there are more features on vrchat than downsides on chillout in my opinion

[tame tinsel]

If they are adding the qol stuff cool...then do it but i won't be playing till they do

[night perch]

No they just spam worlds by invisibly joining+leaving at high rates from what I'm aware

[latent thicket]

NeosVR or ChilloutVR, which one you guys going to check out?

[clever shale]

both tbh

[vocal shard]

least angry modded client and mod user

[thorny dune]

how to shoot your self in the knee = vrc + EAC

[granite lion]

Chillin

[topaz ravine]

Going to try ChillOut again.

[unique perch]

I don't even use mods. EAC is just actively bad from a security standpoint.

[fair hill]

Then it's not as refined as vrchat, it's not as old and worked on as vrchat. and not really easy for new users

[regal furnace]

if i had to choose cvr, neos is utter garbage. cvr is only normal garbage

[finite sparrow]

ayo?

[ashen wadi]

nah just find it funny cause like 90% of the mod users would enjoy the game just fine and are overreacting. only players that really have a case are disabled users who need accessibility options imo

[vocal shard]

i play standing up most of the time

[fierce linden]

this

[onyx parcel]

agreed

[mellow roost]

Bro my pc is low end, i cant play w/o mods

[full sail]

The copy paste flashbang is real

[limber patio]

The logical thing is to just cancel your VRC+ if you have it if you really don't agree with this update instead of violently attacking the server lol.

[lament lodge]

There are tons of people who use performance and anti crash/grief mods. Clubbing is going to be unbearable unless I have everyone disabled now

[stone axle]

Just popping in to say this is a very, very bad move. Drop EAC. Actually respond to your cannies and implement the features if you hate mods this much. Don't take years to add simple gestures. You might think this move to add EAC and have zero-tolerance for mods is profitable, but it's simply not. Your higher-ups need to be checked.

'oly moly this chat moves fast.

[winged cargo]

THIS. this has been an issue since.... ever

[vocal shard]

get a job questie

[regal furnace]

damn general 2 is getting random spammed too now, we need general 3

[finite sparrow]

MY COMFY MIRRIORRRR and close captions bc I can't understand certain films

[runic sun]

its morbin time

[ashen wadi]

i rarely get crashed and i've always been on vanilla.

[mellow roost]

Homie im in poverty

[violet raven]

From my memory the menu is a bit wack, especially with it having a collider - but didnt Nico want to implement scripting for Worlds fairly soon in the future? Didnt he have a roadmap with all the Systems so it gets like "a mix of Vrchat and Arma" - or similar?

[winged cargo]

#BoycottVRC+

[vocal shard]

i know this might sound shocking, but, online college is free if you don't pay your loans

[umbral reef]

At this point im thinking mod users crash more often then non mod users
Most peeps i know without mods dont really complain about crashing

[undone idol]

i dont use mods and i think EAC is great because it encourages competiton in the market. maybe one of the other platforms manages to capitalize on this and become what vrchat could have been. i mean VRC could have been the skyrim of social vr, but this move clearly shows they are aiming to be fallout76 instead

[onyx parcel]

#gotobedandcope

[ashen wadi]

tfw when people still think vrc started in 2017

[vocal shard]

im a questie with high end PC running smooth vrchat is yes

[mellow roost]

Mf i been thru college im still poor

[lament lodge]

As someone who used to use anti crash mods who's regular friends would crash constantly I'm gonna doubt that one

[winged cargo]

valuable input you offered there limpy

[cerulean kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpson-people-power-gif-8939538

[unborn forge]

Why ban the mods that help people when they can fix the reporting system for kids under 13 and predators

[fair hill]

Yea, there are a lot of things that have been said and are still being worked on. I was personally part of the very restricted closed beta, and never personally experienced the new menu.
Haven't played it lately, so I can't say. But for sure everytime i joined there, I knew I would have left with a headache for how much I laughed xD

[bleak jungle]

yes, I don't use mods and crash at least once a night.

[teal wadi]

this update is not a good idea before the deaf community can get assistance for their needs

[vocal shard]

they are fixing that problem by banning the modded clients and mod users lmfao

[torn shoal]

Chillout VR has the issue of being even more jank and a cult like playerbase

[vocal shard]

They should be puting their time updating something else

[lament lodge]

God forbid your in 80 person club instances all the time with people in and out

[winged cargo]

theyere not even banning anyone. it just doesnt let you connect.

[frank silo]

I doubt it'll get rid of the crashers

[tame tinsel]

Cmon vrc adress your community

[teal wadi]

i'm not gonna be logging in if this update is effective because i have friends who can't either speak or hear

[onyx parcel]

which valve will simply cut off as any other reviewbombing

[umbral reef]

7 peak usercount per week*

[vocal shard]

now i wanna see if that would get my vrc to lag, i didnt manage to make it lag on this pc yet

[fair hill]

I think it's mainly because they are going against vrchat as competitor.

[winged cargo]

dude fr. idk what this is going to do to my club at this point. communities are going to take a hit for sure. so long yitties!

[torn shoal]

I've not had a single avatar crash in years tbh

[mellow roost]

I run on a lowend pc w a cabled vr, i need optimization and accessibility mods in order to even run some of the jank vr worlds. For fps, crashers, and disabilities

[frank silo]

Fun

[round igloo]

I don't really get your point here, how would that at all impact the amount of underage people on the game? :S

[regal furnace]

yes

[undone idol]

oh it bans all the useful functions that they can lock behind vrc+ in the future, wdym. best update ever for any investor

[ruby lintel]

Really bummed out about the QoL mods for myself.
But I know several people basically cant play the game due to disabilities once EAC drops. Taking those accessibility mods away and calling people who mod a nuisance is not the way to go. Long look in the mirror needed.

[vocal shard]

knowing dancers, they probably are the ones crashing because of their barely structured emotional maturity

[lament lodge]

Ah yes a personal attack clearly you have nothing better to say 🤡

[violet raven]

oki thanks for the info - prob will check it out again on the weekend ^w^

[vocal shard]

me to the new update

[tired basin]

Doesn't mean they're using mods, so this update won't fix the issue, but will instead remove the current fix

[winged cargo]

this is so far from the truth its disgusting. i own a dance club and everyone there is the most loving and caring people in the game. public lobbies are toxic as fuck

[fair hill]

Yes, but vrchat had 7/8 years to perfect their game. For sure a community of 5 to 7 developers can't come up with a perfect game.
I personally don't mind, as far as I can have fun, the UI is secondary.
But I have to say, most features are not finished or a bit wonky.

I agree with your opinion

[vocal shard]

as an ex dancer i have no idea what you're talking about

[lament lodge]

PLUR

[uncut vale]

This.

[proper pecan]

Chaos

[onyx parcel]

thats not a honest review thats spouting whiny mimimi aka reviewbombing

[fallen spire]

Im very frustrated that I've invested thousands into playing this game and hundreds of dollars directly into VRCHat's pockets, dedicated thousands of hours including through content creation that holds them up for them to take such anti community stance when its the community that built them. I dont get it....

[hasty kettle]

Also a dancer, so I have no understanding. The dancing community is completely against malicious clients, for good reason

[ashen wadi]

90% of the people review bombing haven't even tried the game without mods

[winged cargo]

VRC devs are just taking notes out of the early 2000's nintendo business model. CHARGE EVERYONE FOR EVERYTRHING OR ELSE LAWSUITS

[reef jay]

Vote with your wallet, if the VRC Team think it's a great idea to screw over the community then hit them in the profits and cancel VRC+

[torn shoal]

Interesting. To be fair, I haven't been on in a bit so probably why I haven't seen any. I also stay way from the most popular worlds tho

[vocal shard]

idk much about vrc dancers since i used to dance irl but yea, i can see that

[undone idol]

its okay though if i learned one thing this storm will pass too. they will keep silent until people stop complaining. works everytime, ask bobby kotick, he knows best

[onyx parcel]

because you dont try to think srsly

[fair hill]

As a player, I mainly focus on having fun. But I have to say, it's not the most user friendly UI I've ever seen.
For sure we can't agree to the same things, and I'm not any kind of developer, so I more than probably can't understand 😅

[sinful stump]

we protest this change because it is a game we know and love, the place we live, love, and enjoy, the excape from reality that has the best performance and features, we see the potential it has, we have our friends here, we rage, because we have a passion, and that passion can benefit VRC, listen to us, learn from us! we can do much great things together! don't make this horrible change
Cancel VRC+ subscriptions, make your voices heard!

[white frigate]

in large

[open crescent]

You can do fbt with quest+pc no problems

[winged cargo]

public lobbies are going to be dead again. everyone will be tucked away in friends+ lobbies until the anti-anti-cheat client gets released. and then were back at square 1.

[night lark]

wtf did tupper do yall chill

[hasty kettle]

I am curious...

Currently there is a vrchat documentary being made.... is vrchat gonna get called out for this event?

[south pumice]

POGGERS! i cant wait for my pc to literally explode because of inept developers!!!

[tame tinsel]

Its sad that your not wrong the dev team gives zero shits about our opinions

[round igloo]

ngl I already rarely went into public lobbies because they're so often filled with toxic people, lol.

[open crescent]

Nah

[night lark]

its a "we" not an "i" if yall wanna be rlly mad or smth dont target tupper like its all his fault

[pine stream]

i thought e m m was supported by vrc

[bleak jungle]

100% agreed.

[ashen wadi]

highly doubt it, updates like this takes months to implement so coordinating it like that would be nigh impossible

[reef moss]

They're mass deleting messages now in gen 1 bruh

[full sail]

This. It's unfortunate, even in my instance not of overtoxicity but of immaturity/actual kids, but hopefully it won't impact finding new social circles.

I think I've only had two or three instances of people hounding me to talk like midgrade bullies when it physically hurts when I'm not drugged. Kinda silly honestly

[winged cargo]

i have a $10k rig with 1500 dollars in VR hardware. is @covert chasm going to replace my shit when it gets fried because of his decision?

[south pumice]

its funny because i can see them all and its just chat mods tryna silence people

[reef jay]

I think it's fair to be upset with the community manager if the Team makes a decision that is overwhelmingly bad for the community

[open crescent]

It has never been supported, and vrchat has stated as such many times before .

[worthy jacinth]

حليب نقانق

[ashen wadi]

this is why they're trying to get people to stop using it. too many people think it's legit and it's taking away too many resources dealing with the issues it causes

[reef moss]

It's actually sad. I just keep getting bulk delete messages

[desert stratus]

id personally go as far as to say that most games / software should have as much customizable UI as possible (and if its safe, 100% customizable UI), but that might just be the cute rainmeter theme side of me talking

[bleak jungle]

hell yes

[pine stream]

i was told by many it was tho?

[left vine]

being anti mod is being anti community smh

[raw plaza]

getting rid of QoL mods is a great way of pushing people away from vrc+ and towards spending that money on malicious clients instead that may have the QoL changes they seek, at the same time putting those people at risk due to malicious clients not being open source 🤷

[night lark]

thank god i use base vrchat w/o mods 😌 sorry to those who need them

[glad marten]

What hecking issues

[open crescent]

You were shamelessly lied to then.

[onyx parcel]

money for modded clients? you need some help man

[finite sparrow]

@covert chasm hey shawty, I think ya killed ze game

[fallen blaze]

viva la revolution

[ashen wadi]

did you even read the blog post or did you just see the headline and come to complain

[pine stream]

but e m m isnt bad? theres so crashing or anything involved with it

[reef moss]

Just remember folks. Chillout VR has a lot more QoL stuff and even supports modding. Crazy how that works.

[proper pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[winged cargo]

Hey guess what everyone! We're taking away everything you love including external safety features and QoL improvements with no plans to replace them natively at all but you can now drop safer portals! dont you love us more now? can we charge more for VRC+ now?

[mint fable]

That's what some malicious mods are, and those won't be affected by anti-cheat.
So no matter what EAC only hurts "good" mods

[kindred lake]

that game works? xD

[odd lava]

with 20 players it is manageable

[open crescent]

Vrchat can't know if your mod is "good" or "bad"

[vocal shard]

My Power supply already got fried bcuz of crashers, Lucky Just the psu, imagine now

[gusty robin]

I think getting rid of mods takes away from vrc tbh

[fallen spire]

NGL I would gladly pay twice as much for VRC plus over having them take away mods. lolol

[fallen blaze]

viva la revolution

[torn shoal]

Too bad the admins were a bunch of fratboys who take criticism very personal from what I remember

[inland jay]

How come you guys deleted my message about the deaf and hard of hearing community?

[winged cargo]

i lost a PSU to crashers about 3 years ago. if anything else gets fried im filing a lawsuit

[topaz ravine]

ChillOut just went from an average of 7 players to 800. Sheeeesh.

[idle wharf]

haha

[open crescent]

I have been happily playing without mods all this time, and will continue to do so.

[onyx parcel]

😂 🤦

[finite sparrow]

Because they don’t really care at all

[glad marten]

yeah i didnt see anything about e m m

[ashen wadi]

we'll see how long that lasts lol

[mint fable]

vrchat modding discord managed to keep track of what mods are good and bad pretty well

[reef moss]

It'll be here to stay if this update goes through

[winged cargo]

we did lol

[idle wharf]

good for you, some people need some QoL features for disabilities like light sensitivity and whatnot, among lots of other less required, but nice, QoL...like security against crashers...so if that's your argument against the outrage i feel it's a poor one

[topaz ravine]

Currently trying to figure out how to upload models. They have some of my favorite worlds from VRC on there. There’s hope yet. 😭

[cursive pier]

Same, the only problem I have is some anticheats are known to be predatorial to your system aka they can do bad things some are even to the likes of rootkits

[open crescent]

Telling Vrchat "trust me bro this mod good" is not a guarantee in any way that a mod won't have anything malicious

[finite sparrow]

@covert chasm hey why'd my shawty get banned for say you gonna get no booty? It's only facts man. No cap

[ashen wadi]

yeah imo the only people who have legit complaints are people who need accessibility stuff.

[umbral reef]

The dude cant even buy twitter
All he can do is scam stocks and pop out more kids

[hasty kettle]

Apprently, currently there is a client user running around in the open beta bypassing the eac and crashing public lobbies... so who said the eac was a good idea?

[mint fable]

That's why all the mods were open source and had people test them to make sure they weren't malicious first

[lament lodge]

worst thing yet

[desert stratus]

MUSKChat^tm

[finite sparrow]

@covert chasm no bitches? Maiden less perhaps?

[reef moss]

I sure hope this is true. Show the devs how useless EAC is. Just get over yourselves already and admit that modders do a better job of protecting your game than you do lmao

[west rune]

I guess we have to rely on Meta of facebook now
RIP social experience in VR 🤣

[open crescent]

So a few random people tested it and said "trust me bro", Vrchat still can't guarantee anything, and other mods could make it look like they were one of those

[kindred lake]

If VRChat would officially support mods and add some money into a good staff that checks the mods for malicous intent, then people could use safe mods. c:

[undone idol]

Good news! Mods coming back in the form of NFTs! /sarcasm

[tame tinsel]

Hate or love mods this update is pointless either way eac isnt a magical spell it fails alot

[uneven escarp]

A trusted community is much more then just a few random people

[torn shoal]

I feel like the entire thing is a panic band-aid tbh

[bitter crystal]

Why not unveil an official plugin API instead of.. whatever this is?

[undone idol]

It’s a monetization scheme

[glad marten]

if your talking about mods breaking vrchat, it doesnt for me and isnt an issue for me, and no fckin way it breaks vrchat on the moderators side

[mint fable]

This is about what's allowed though. They could easily permit usage of some mods in their ToS.
If you mean in terms of anti-cheat then, no, obv it doesn't know the difference, but it also won't be able to stop malicious mods

[tame tinsel]

No please

[fiery thorn]

so basically they really don't care?

[ashen wadi]

that would kill VRC faster than this

[vocal shard]

what on gods green earth is going on

[open crescent]

Because they can't know the difference is why they don't allow mods

[hoary raven]

The end.

[hasty kettle]

I can just imagine a group of people chanting "no more oppression, good mod acceptance" in protest of this update

[fiery thorn]

Something that isn't green

[ashen wadi]

concurrent users != active userbase fyi

[glad marten]

where do i vote?

[proper pecan]

Everyone go play recroom and don't play vrc for a month

[barren whale]

vrchat going after QoL mods again

[vocal shard]

if i get banned for using a flying mod and avatar search i swear to god

[open crescent]

The rules haven't even changed lmao, mods have always been banned. Mod users seething malding and coping

[mint fable]

I don't think you understand, what they're doing now will essentially make only malicious mods work + remove a lot of optimization and safety features + remove accessibility

[tame tinsel]

Both sides need to chill the fuck out tho vrc made a stupid decision and defending them gets you nothing you're just sucking off devs who would sell you for a dollar and a big mac

[proper pecan]

XD

[tulip carbon]

This chat is so much more calmer

[vocal shard]

wow really so i can get banned for using a fly mod and a avatar search this game is truly something

[torn shoal]

Yeah, screaming on both sides means neither listens

[stark prairie]

Ikr..

[daring lodge]

https://twitter.com/KKringee/status/1551678575325102080?s=20&t=fYG6s0RnmxB_rIR8KVG8fg

[full sail]

Wait ayo I'm worth 1$ and a big mac even damaged?! Sweet!

[iron oyster]

Hm

[fallow torrent]

This is so counter productive.

[open crescent]

What accesibility features were you using?

[fiery thorn]

Changing your menu color is a war crime, sorry you cant do that anymore
only blue

[topaz ravine]

It is not looking good on every social platform and review board.

[proper pecan]

Space book says this is bad

[latent obsidian]

God smite me for wanting a purple menu with green lining

[tame tinsel]

Book=no

[thin juniper]

Is the update for the anti cheat going to be tomorrow? Meaning this is our last day with mods???

[ashen wadi]

menu is blue, literally unplayable

[night laurel]

Wait so if you used EM MVRC mod just for public avatar searchews can you still get banned?
(even if you have it uninstalled etc?)

[harsh hornet]

I liked my red menu tho🥹

[charred nexus]

yep

[full sail]

looks at old final fantasy menus

[ashen magnet]

Rec Room on top 😈

[quaint tinsel]

Honestly im actually liking Chillout vr its very easy to transfer vrc avatars to it and has a much better feature set along with greater transparency on there future development and actually listen to there community instead of choosing a dumb hill to die on

[vocal shard]

this game is truly something

[turbid jackal]

The way I see it I know they expected backlash and what not but how much money loss do you think it would take for them to reconsider

[idle wharf]

there's plenty of QoL features that enhance lots of things, making IK better for one that even IK2.0 is a bit lacking in, security from crashers and similar that VRchat still hasnt provided, and EAC likely will do nothing to prevent...if an avatar is just made and crashes...its not a mod, its just an avatar...EAC does nothing there...

are they required? no...

do they provide things that devs have said they might do "soon" but yet is already available and causing no harm to the VRchat community? yeah......just stop demonizing talking of mods, start troubleshooting questions with 'are you using mods?' if so, remove them and see if issue persists, done...no support for mods needed

[mint fable]

Thank you for writing that, it's well written and solidifies the legitimacy of the backlash. I linked to it in the first comment on the other post, but since the site automatically sorts by newest it doesn't really show up

[chrome prairie]

You won't be banned, please read the blog and their FAQ section in the same document

[finite sparrow]

@covert chasm dm's open when?

[ashen wadi]

read the blog post. no bans, just client won't launch with mods installed.

[tulip carbon]

Roblox vr

[night laurel]

Cus I used some just to get some star wars public avatars but I ubinstalled a while ago

[tame tinsel]

My main issue was no matter what i try vrcs ik is hot garbage but hey im willing to let them add qol stuff but it better be free like it was with mods if they lock this stuff behind vrc plus it just further pushes us away

[proper pecan]

Yoooooo

[elfin juniper]

on god how much for vrc i got 700k rn no joke.

[old shoal]

seeing people desperately suck off the mods is funny

[fiery thorn]

same but im sorry, blue the the new red
EMBRACE ALL BLUEEEEE (goddamn it)

[open crescent]

It has always been banned since the beginning

[ashen magnet]

You can

[mild nebula]

This is shitty :| they only care about money not the people in it honestly

[vocal shard]

i think its more than 700k

this is all for attention and vrchat are getting exactly what they wanted

[ripe axle]

So then people should speak money, vote with their dollar, and cancel VRC+. We're not helpless.

[harsh hornet]

I refuse 😑

[elfin juniper]

i cant go over one mill tbh.. but thats cutting it deep for me.

[turbid jackal]

I don’t think the attention negates the amount of loss they are receiving

[proper pecan]

Vr devs getting L + ratio + mald + sheath + cope + no vrc+?

[charred nexus]

cancel vrc+!!!

[bitter crystal]

So yeah, hmm. . now that I think about it with the dev hat on.. banning mods should have been accompanied by releasing an official plugin API to allow non-malicious additions to the client in a stable way. Cramming EAC into the client without listening to the users was the absolute worst thing they could have done, and that's what they went with. The backlash was well-earned.

[old shoal]

So true Basil omori

[ripe axle]

The only way they'd go through with this is if the cancellations don't make their cash flow dip below their projected threshold, orrr they never needed our money to begin with and they were just scamming us the whole time.

[grim robin]

Rip vrchat player base

[wild thicket]

^^^

[fiery thorn]

You HEATHEN, you must embrace our lord
the one and only blue
everything else is trash, no red, no green, no purple
Only blueeeeeee

[vocal shard]

wait so should we not play VRChat AT ALL or only public worlds ? i need advice bro

[tame tinsel]

Honestly this is a pointless rage they wont change anything community outrage dosent phase them because they keep getting away with it by tommorow the chats will have calmed down and most will just accept the new normal

[harsh hornet]

Avatar searches are also gone

[wispy sun]

People are posting the investor contact info for VRC now, and based on the financials I saw earlier, I don't think VRCplus will be a drop in the bucket.

[north spade]

don't play at all

[void kiln]

im quitting VRC and so is my company

[barren fractal]

I dont think the playerbase is going to be impacted in a big way tbh

[vocal shard]

ffs avatar search is so harmless

[topaz ravine]

This is a sad day ngl. VRC was an really important part of my life. 🥲

[fiery thorn]

wait what? noooo... I liked that feature..

[tame tinsel]

Again your sucking off devs who treat you like a piggy bank shut

[ripe axle]

Fuck me, so another game ruined by the interests of investors getting all the say?

[harsh hornet]

blue means nothing, screw blue and vrchat’s loading screen background noise, it’s so annoying 🤧

[north spade]

brrrrro

[trim lava]

Omg this place has really gone to shit over EAC

[bleak jungle]

This breaks TTS you numbnuts, this is a bad update for mutes too.

[vocal shard]

okay thank you <3

how the fuck do mods affect financial stuff

[charred nexus]

yeah makes since you cant take the one good thing from us

[ripe axle]

Like damn I don't even care about not having mods so many of my friends are going to leave and the game's community is going to be ripped apart by this BS.

[tame tinsel]

Simple the mods are free improvements vrc no like free

[ashen wadi]

paying vrchat support for hours spent diagnosing things and it ending up being broken mods for one

[open crescent]

How about you just play normally like people who aren't seething, malding and coping with this tantrum

[harsh hornet]

Ikr finding avatar was so much easier

[fiery thorn]

Oh wait shit, i forgot about the background noise part
I had a mod that changed it to the old loading screen with space and cool blue magic space cone.. fuck

[full sail]

Iirc there was a post from Tupper for an approved tts

[hollow patio]

Simply uninstall your client

[sacred coyote]

chilloutvr is actually really nice

[uncut vale]

Ugh, the days they used crashers to fry your ram smh, and that wasn’t even client based 🤯🤯

[charred nexus]

because alot of people are going to stop subbing and using the game all together so they are loosing a player base and money from all the subs that stopped after the update

[proper pecan]

Poggers

[vocal shard]

sacrifice tupper?

[sinful echo]

Bro people literally use clients to run their fbt

[civic vessel]

i just got that one

[static sphinx]

stop cry kids 🙂

[ashen wadi]

yeah TTS is like the easiest thing to do without mods, just use a virtual audio cable.

[timber widget]

Ignore this man, he doesnt care about people who literally require mods due to disabilities

[bleak jungle]

I sure do hope so.

[harsh hornet]

Gonna cry myself too sleep

[vocal shard]

no need to find avatar if you know blender, just make avatar

[glass meadow]

dont add anticheat before adding QOL features that replace the mods we rely on to enjoy this game.... i know there are even people that literally rely on mods to play because of disabilities.

[sacred coyote]

yes also for anticrash but rip

[open crescent]

That's dumb then, you don't need mods for fbt

[umbral reef]

Stop manually microwaving computer parts then

[vocal shard]

yer but im a idiot so i cant make a avatar

[charred nexus]

alsooo subtitles for people who are deaf

[sinful echo]

Mhm :///

[uncut vale]

Nah nah nah, I rather like my client and the simplicity it made to doing things in vrchat

@umbral reef
When did I say I did that? 😂😂

[fiery thorn]

Yes but there are some cool avatars that have no world and are public
Or others in worlds where you probably never guess and stuff, you know?

[tired basin]

Wait would that mean SlimeVR wouldn't work anymore? I literally just bought the parts to make trackers

[harsh hornet]

I actually am, I just get distracted easily and loose motivation

[hollow patio]

me when nerd emoji

[noble depot]

yes, you don't need mods to use FBT on Quest. ovr space calibrator is not a mod, read the blog post
https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[night lark]

i wonder what the end result will be. will the vrchat team listen to their community's outcry or will they go through with the update? idk

[open crescent]

You really don't need mods for that

[charred nexus]

nope you are good still dont worry

[vocal shard]

yea i know finding avatars is a pain, i resorted to buying one for the features and editing appearance cause i got tired of not finding what i wanted xD

lol time to expose?

[misty onyx]

At this point, using EAC in vrc isn't going to solve issues with avatar crashers.

[sacred coyote]

rip public lobbies

[sinful echo]

YES PLS

[fiery thorn]

So will I my friend.. so will I

[scenic eagle]

you can use mods to make interracting with dynamic bones

[tired basin]

Thank god, at least the update won't ruin that

[coral birch]

Physbones

[hollow patio]

It's that simple

[umbral reef]

Computer parts dont magically die because they get used.
Your manually microwaving your gear, having already fucked gear die because of normal use and thats it. The option of them dying because of some script kiddie aint there

[proper pecan]

We need to start a campaign similar to the assassins creed "we"

[vocal shard]

Where are ya seein that perentage?

[quaint hare]

how tf they gonna make their competitors reach their all time peak of players in 3 hours

[charred nexus]

yeah also for anyone who used owotracker that isnt effected aswell. my friend uses slime vr and its good on the update

[vocal shard]

also the physbones update made dynamic bones interactive too

someone teach me how to use blender 😂

[full sail]

Me, but because I'm a hardware person and not a software person. The one I'm using til then gets me by ala finger marker

[ashen wadi]

avatar dynamics are great and i prefer them 10000% to dynamics bones

[fiery thorn]

Some folks lazy to convert or still like using that for whatever reason

[scenic eagle]

yup my bad lol

[open crescent]

That's even dumber, that feature is now part of the game officially and has been for months lmao

[noble depot]

dynamic bones haven't been a thing for months. Interacting with their replacement, physbones, has been a thing since day 1 of their implementation.

[timber widget]

While im against eac, physbones, thats the whole reason they made them

[uncut vale]

Smh, I’m stating I preferred using the mods as it made features on vrchat simpler.

[coral birch]

You guys whining won’t do anything. They were prepared for this backlash

[empty mountain]

most of the client servers are getting ready i can only hope that they dont do this i dont want to lose my favorite game

[turbid bridge]

Just to let everybody know they're getting rid of virtual machines like Shadow too

[quaint forge]

"guys just eat the bugs" the fuck?

[latent bough]

Neil Kandalgaonkar (He/Him)
Senior Software Engineer / DevOps at VRChat : https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilkandalgaonkar/?originalSubdomain=ca. I felt like dong this.

[scenic eagle]

dynamic bones will eventually get depreciated anyway so thats of little worry

[vocal shard]

my man, open yt and type in blender beginner tutorial and click the one with the donut, and go from there

[timber widget]

Pretty sure They really arent, their community is crumbling.

[ashen wadi]

that's average concurrent users, not total users.

[noble depot]

they already were, a month+ ago

[vocal shard]

😂 i told you im stupid but cheers

[gusty aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-as-heck-cope-trying-to-cope-tower-of-babel-gaming-fwob-gif-22835903

[coral birch]

If they weren’t then why did they push the update into beta

[near night]

Make harmless client functions a native feature before you introduce EAC. Just saying "We'll add them someday" is an empty promise with no gaurentee when each major update for vr is few and far between

[open crescent]

You can still use public avatars, or buy a premade one, or pay someone to make one for you

[vocal shard]

bro you just follow videos xD but sure, i mean you can also throw your wallet at an artist to make you an avatar xD

[odd bronze]

they're banning ppl left and right for not even doing anything

[harsh hornet]

Bout to go on a strike 😂

[ashen wadi]

imo they should work on accessibility options before QoL options.

[vocal shard]

i'm not wasting my hard earned money on vrchat when they do shit like this

[near night]

Those would fall under the harmless client functions. In general what we use clients for, devs need to add nativally prior to just killing it all off and giving us empty words

[timber widget]

Because they didnt have the brain not to, rhis isnt the first time this happened, but last time wasnt nearly as bad.

[uncut vale]

Oh god no! 😂

There are too many features that mods improved on for me to be with this update. This is more of a ‘put a bandaid on’ in regards to the situation when it’s more than just something skin surface. EAC does nothing to stop the malicious factors, as they’re more than just client based.

I just word things weird 😂 I’m sorry.

[jade granite]

I am also looking forward to the private servers, right now there are promising discord servers starting to group up with some really good modders. I just want to use my face tracing as it should be. And without comfy VR vrchats is unplayable if you sleep in there often

[coral birch]

You really think that they didn’t think this through?

[teal wadi]

i unsubbed. no money vr chat, whatcha gonna do now?

[marble helm]

Well, if VRChat just looses a lot of users for what they just did, maybe they will speed up in including all the features they just blocked by blocking modified clients. Features they are lacking since at least 3 years. Maybe it also wouldve been more intelligent to block all those features once they have them.

[timber widget]

Yes, considering the massive drop in rating, users, and income.

[rancid charm]

aeiou-

[full sail]

Sometimes y

[ruby nymph]

cancelled my vr+ also

[coral birch]

I mean any smart person would’ve seen that coming. They’ve prepared for it

[quaint forge]

Honestly pretty upset rn, I just got a mod to prevent crashing and make resetting easier and was finally cool playing the game again. As soon as I got VRC+ and wanted to put more time in, this update happens.

[scenic eagle]

I imagine they thought about the backlash but didn't expect it to be large

[jade granite]

I need freeze frame to create movies, and camera mods to get a high enough resolution... Same for the screenshot preview in-game.... Vrchat will be so much worse if they cut off all the progress we made

[proper pecan]

Vr devs getting L + ratio + mald + sheath + cope + no vrc+?

[pseudo pier]

Unfortunately, this may kill the community.

[timber widget]

Thats the problem you moldy nuggets, the ones who went through with this werent smart enough, its a pointless update that people have ALREADY BYPASSED

[ruby nymph]

am honestly just sad bout this whole situation, vrchat is my lil get away place while my country literally falls apart, and they're doing it for 0 gain other than to cover up for their own god awful development, even the new IK is still riddled with issues which is still massively outdone by a single modder, it's insane

[teal wadi]

crashers are 12 to 15 year olds with no life ruining everything for everyone

[coral birch]

Creators were for one

[hollow oasis]

i feel extremely bad for the people who need those mods to understand other players.

[cosmic sage]

TIL: You can cheat at VRchat.

[autumn fern]

@covert chasm warn me all you want. Ban me. I'll come back.

[quaint forge]

MoBubbler your takes are dogwater.

[timber widget]

I believe what needs to happen is a non malicious mod list on the actual steam page, something like gmod with the workshop page, then add some sort of rules to follow for the workshop to be moderated under.

[fiery thorn]

thats the confusing bit
if the plan really was to disable mods, its not gonna work with malicious mods or all of them
also its a social game, I mean if vrchat was some sort of competitive game I would understand but this is.. weird

[pure owl]

guess ima have to join on metaverse, to get my modded experience

[teal wadi]

i have several friends who cannot speak/hear and the pens are cumbersome at best. this is awful

[ruby nymph]

EAC isn't going to protect creators, anything malicious such as ripping is done outside of clients and even then, EAC is notoriously easy to by pass, it's not going to achieve a thing for creators

[coral birch]

Cope i guess. You will ither stop caring or continue to play vr chat in a month anyways

[lean fable]

it's funny how this won't even fix anything notorious will get a patch to bypass eac immediately, why do i feel that the devs lnow this though? oh wait bevause they hate us

[edgy anchor]

i've never needed them and have been playing 1600hrs. i understand accessibility issues, but there are things like OSC as a resource.

[quaint forge]

I'm not some poweruser, maybe read what I said before replying. I legit just got back into the game BECAUSE a mod fixed my issues.

[raw plaza]

this take soggier than local gas station hamburger buns

[vocal shard]

W PFP bro

[near night]

👍

[ruby nymph]

mods make the game usable for the most part for everyone and any of the features I've seen added to the game by the dev team, mods still do better

[teal wadi]

no cuz this doesn't make any sense... they either need to take this back or loose a lot more than they'll gain

[hollow oasis]

they just made this game extremely unsafe

[pure owl]

image not wanting to be crashed by malicious people in VRC, by issuing an update that makes it easier for malicious people to crash people in VRC

[sudden wasp]

no malicous intent need mods. Thats why people cheat in shooters with EAC anyhow.

[torn shoal]

It's never been safe tbh

[jade edge]

Oh no! VRChat is making their game better!!!11 Lets complain in their discord!!!111 Like all i hear is "VRCHAT SUCKS FIX YOUR SHIT" and when they fix it all i hear is complaints.

[idle wharf]

no no you dont get it guys EAC is magic it will just remove crashatars from the game 🙂

[sleek jetty]

Take away this update, fix everything you see here. Listen Devs. This is your community. Not a play pin to trash and ruin. Fix your game CORRECTLY. FOR THE SAKE OF US ALL!

[fiery thorn]

the update is more like disabling some folks
especially those who depend on Anti-cheat mods and such

[timber flame]

The fact that full body quest users wont be able to use their full body is absolutely horrible and its a horrible idea and idiotic

[opal carbon]

CREATE VRCHAT 2.0 for adults

[hollow oasis]

ofc it hasnt but it is so much worse now

[lean fable]

game is actively worse off now

[teal wadi]

oh hooooo a boot licker. you done licking boots?

[vocal shard]

i dont even wanna play no more

[pure owl]

so gotta go to chillout VR?

[jade edge]

That is simply not true. Its an external piece of software that does not modify the game at all

[near herald]

Damn he mad

[open crescent]

That's a very dumb statement, quest doesn't need mods for fbt (on pc)

[torn shoal]

It's a panic band-aid, yeah. I still hate that they blocked VPNs etc

[spiral gate]

An Anticheat is definitely needed in a social platform! Clueless

[brisk frigate]

lets make our own vrchat-like game that's better than the game itself

[ebon breach]

bruh how is he a pedo

[timber flame]

OpenVR is counted as a mod, check the website

[lean fable]

neos lets go to neos atleast they care about modding

[near night]

The problem is most of the community would rather have the threat of crashing than give up on the great convience that harlness clients provide. Slapping on a giant bandage that messes with everyone isnt the solution.

Devs need to introduce the functions that harmless client have been providing NOW. Not later or "eventually". We use clients due to devs incompetence. Add these features nativally so we dont need to use them, than add EAC.

[quaint forge]

What did they fix lmao most people with 500+ hours have QOL mods that prevent avatar ripping since, you know, they become content creators and want to protect themselves.

[bleak jungle]

Should be easy enough considering most of VRChat is a glorified unity package run by it's community that they just fucked.

[jade edge]

There are not mods that prevent ripping, Its done outside the game and nothing can stop it

[open crescent]

No you check the website, even the official statement, that's not a mod, mods have never been needed for fbt

[timber flame]

OpenVr and another program used to calibrate is counted as a mod by the official website so if quest people use those to calibrate they wont be able to use their fullbody. Believe me i know i use OpenVr to calibrate

[lean fable]

what does this mean?

[torn shoal]

Even tho I played this game completely stock for over 1.5k hours, this ain't it

[brisk frigate]

dude actually... there should be a vrchat-like game that is better than vrchat itself if it's that easy

[pearl loom]

so many communities and people are going to be affected by this

[lime quartz]

its not that deep lol

[pure owl]

imagine being a furry, & be pro this update lmao

[timber flame]

Believe me i know, OpenVr is counted as a mod apparently even when its not, quest full body wont be able to calibrate since vrchat devs consider OpenVr and another program as a "mod" even when its not

[tight flax]

I am flabbergasted by the way the VRChat team makes its decisions.
Nullifying ALL mods before even making the game better is beyond me.

WHERE IS THE QOL STUFF VRCHAT TEAM??

Crashing and malicious stuff is done in so many more ways than a modified client.

BOTS are a thing that would not be solved by this. Maybe if you hit the nail on the head with secure instances sure. But seeing how you have handled past updates and rushed them I'd say the crasher teams will find a loophole and fix their malicious stuff so damn fast. As they always have....

And now I'm getting buried.

[vocal shard]

Vrcteam be lurking rn

[quaint forge]

I played this game stock until I left due to all the toxic avatars that crash and kids whipping out their dicks in public lobbies. One of these things is still a problem for me, the other got fixed by mods

[lean fable]

3.8k hours made fun byt qol mods, i only played because of the mods making it playable

[sleek jetty]

Take away this update, fix everything you see here. Listen Devs. This is your community. Not a play pin to trash and ruin. Fix your game CORRECTLY. FOR THE SAKE OF US ALL!

[tulip carbon]

E

[open crescent]

You are literally making this up lol
You don't need mods for fbt and openvr space calibrator is not a mod

[proper pecan]

Ima make my own vrchat with blackjack and no mirrors

[vocal shard]

so shall i uninstall my mods?

[misty onyx]

3.8 stars on oculus store.

[full sail]

Huh.... well today I learned that the ghost whispering in Phasmophobia can sometimes be a quote from Bee Movie played backwards

[pure owl]

🍅 throw tomatos

[night lark]

wait fr?

[vocal shard]

gonna be even lower soon

[gray storm]

Anyone else having a problem making an account for ChillVR?

[candid forge]

Rip vrc 💀

[eager galleon]

It's the Steam reviews that matter more

[raw plaza]

this chat is divided between everyday joe pissed off they cant lay down and be comfy anymore, and alpha giga vanilla user chad lacking in the critical thinking department and truly embracing ignorance

[near night]

Clients are our substitute for the devs incompitence. We use these to have features and conviences that should be in the game native; along with disability support.

Devs should prioritize adding features so people dont even need to use harmless clients, than add anti-cheats.

[bleak jungle]

ALL reviews matter.

[timber flame]

I 100% wish i was dude, direct quote "Does this affect the OpenVR AMD FSR tool?
Yes. As the OpenVR AMD FSR tools modifies the client to behave in a different way than is originally intended, it is considered to be a mod.

[radiant silo]

Im sorry Vrchat admins but this is literally OnlyFans all over again.

[full sail]

Yep!

[ashen wadi]

hold on, one way to confirm. installing the open beta to test this right now.

[lean fable]

cheats litterally don't make someone a nonce, and ones using black clients will bypass eac, this only effects the little guy getting on by

[near herald]

test

[vocal shard]

I swear 90% of the dweebs complaining about this update didn't even read what they wrote

[near night]

If EAC effects OVR aswell, than wow. Even worse than I thought

[past crypt]

FSR is the upscaling API to improve performance
A big loss for those with underpowered systems

[brisk frigate]

the omega bot removed my message 💀

[vocal shard]

11k upvotes in 2 hours, will it be taken into consideration? @Nyx @sharp rose https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

[dim cloud]

doubt it

[timber flame]

"Does this affect the OpenVR AMD FSR tool?
Yes. As the OpenVR AMD FSR tools modifies the client to behave in a different way than is originally intended, it is considered to be a mod." Direct link from the update page about this. Am not lying as much as i wish i was. I

[fiery thorn]

You have been deemed a war crime lmao

[eager galleon]

True true, but the Steam reviews tell more than just the stars on the Oculus Store

[full sail]

Jeebus I'm not sure if it's my phone spazzing, the network going thin at work, or just the discord having a field day with input. Can't even try replying to posts anymore xD

[pearl loom]

this update will do more harm than good

People's quality of life will be removed and crashers are still going to bypass EAC as usual

[sullen abyss]

yea, this whole situation stinks, I hope thrillseeker brings it up or another larger vrchat streamer or something, someone to get the community behind.

[umbral reef]

Good shit that _is not the thing you use for FBT when using a quest _

[ashen wadi]

that's not the same lol

[vocal shard]

I like it more over here

[steel elk]

this

[past crypt]

FSR works for more than just AMD users, it's software agnostic unlike DLSS

[raw plaza]

also true

[dark marsh]

Hi guys, I have a question about accessibility in VRChat -- does anyone know whether VRChat PC version could be used with Screen-reader for blind people?

[daring furnace]

All of this fuss and this still isn’t going to stop crashers and rippers

[jade edge]

Its a modifcation to the render pipeline not the game. its not against tos and no one has been banned for it

[steep umbra]

👌

[vocal shard]

" a week" 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 lmao

[near night]

If were worried if EAC affects features like what quest uses for FBT or Playspace, switch to the beta client and test for yourself.

EAC does not ban people, it just prevents you from launching if it detects modifictation.

[brisk frigate]

ya know, on average, vrchat has around 30k users monthly. i wonder how that's gonna change, along with the fact that half of that monthly, including myself, upvoted the rant

[timber flame]

All i know is that what has been stated on the page. OpenVr is Space Calibrator

[pure owl]

ya probably can't use next update, due to anti mod easy cheat thing

[vocal shard]

I mean they're still gonna have quest users regardless being they won't be affected by this update

[opal carbon]

VRC 2.0 for adults

[dim cloud]

not anymore considering mods are getting fucked, you would've been able to with mods but until vrchat devs add actual accessibility options you're kinda out of luck

[wild scroll]

Yes!

[slim atlas]

Anyone know if you have mmvrc if you could get in trouble for useing it?

[quaint forge]

lol if I get back on and get crashed by an avatar again I'm just leaving like I did before someone helped me with mods. It won't be a week.

[obsidian echo]

Already a workaround for the new update 🤷

[frigid peak]

A lot of the people arguing for 'good faith modding' are the people who freeze users when they get mad.

[raw plaza]

after the update goes live, u wont be able to launch the game with it

[vocal shard]

theoretically yes, realistically its unlikely

[dim cloud]

the fact that the 24 hour player peak is 29,855 and 11.3k people have voted against eac says alot

[timber flame]

I know that. It affects both programs and believe me ive been reading lmao

[daring furnace]

I think that the update can be good as long as certain mods can get white listed and permitted. Maybe via application for new mods and modders

[quaint forge]

My client literally doesn't have anything but anti-crash feature the hell you on about?

[near night]

EAC wont ban anybody if it detects modifications. Still awful but at least I know tommorow I wont get banned if I forget to uninstall OVR.

[ashen wadi]

OpenVR is the protocol. OpenVR Space Calibrator is an entirely different app

[somber thorn]

so like can i get on vrchat right now if basically all i use is a mirror mod?

[opal carbon]

Make VRC 2.0 for adults

[worthy helm]

Cringe

[pure owl]

Mirror + anti crash & QOL stuff on mine due to disability

[open crescent]

it does not. that's people failing to read and liking to whine

[vocal shard]

you still can today, i think the update drops tomorrow, and they said they're going to add the mirror into their base game

[sullen abyss]

theres whole work arounds for eac but nobody wants to have to do that just to use quality of life mods which should be completely fine to be used.

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm game is ass now

[teal wadi]

bruh, you know this is like when you thought bringing your cat to school was a good idea.... until said cat takes a poo in your bag and complains that they can't see.... ya

[vocal shard]

the amount of backlash is wild 💀

[ashen wadi]

then why are you here lol

[frigid peak]

People said this when vrc+ came out, all the crybabies are still here, not at alternatives.

[wintry haven]

jump ship*

[copper gyro]

I'm not here to cause any trouble, but I do want to at least request one thing. The ability to block specific avatars would be really nice.

[umbral reef]

I too want Crypto VR and no performance or updates VR

[dusk marten]

Neos VR? Never heard of it is it available for quest?

[pure owl]

the update notes, clearly state ruins mods, if it works or not is not the issue