vrchat-general-2

[rugged bramble]

🙂

[frosty rapids]

Mornin chief

[vocal shard]

I feel so tired but yet so full of energy

[fossil idol]

every eboy ever:

oh man im so tired... but im so full of energy because I keep drinking energy drinks I dont know why im so full of energy though

maaan

[vocal shard]

I haven’t had an energy drink In months 😂

[fossil idol]

man said I'm

[vocal shard]

I did

[frosty rapids]

Speaking of energy drinks, i got a monster ready for this friday night

[fossil idol]

I'm drinking some Gfuel right now

[frosty rapids]

We doing udon boxing fridays boys

I gotta be ready

[vocal shard]

Adhd

[fossil idol]

Oh maaaan I need full body and a new VR headset so badly I wanna do lightsaber fightings

Man is weird

[frosty rapids]

I suppose mentally tired, but body bein okay

Like unrestful sleep & such

[vocal shard]

Pretty much

Also I answered you bun bun. Wasn’t ignoring you

[frosty rapids]

Gotta use the reply feature for one word answers/multiple people talkin :P

[vocal shard]

My bad

[ancient basin]

Hi

[vocal shard]

Elloooo

[hollow ingot]

👀

[frosty rapids]

sometimes you just gotta beat up a fool

[tame nexus]

why do ppl turn off sprinting and jumping in large avatar worlds i don't wanna move slow bruh

[ruby needle]

Because they want you to look at all the avatars

[noble depot]

they didn't turn it off, rather they didn't add it

[ruby needle]

If it's off by default, then indeed rather that tho.

[errant pendant]

procrastination to rest

[tame nexus]

but all of the avatars are right by spawn and the mirror is far away

[fossil idol]

that is the annoying part of most worlds

[cunning dagger]

#moderation-reports

we're just discord chat mods, we dont do in-game moderation

[pulsar pewter]

Thxs I just joined to report and I don’t know who to tell sorry

[deep light]

Hi

Can someone help me plz

How do I watch tv on this

[open crescent]

what

[frank silo]

Gotta be a little more specific than that man

[open crescent]

[deep light]

How do u watch all normal TV channels

See like on tinyurl.com

[open crescent]

the hell are you talking about

[deep light]

Can u watch live TV through this app

[open crescent]

discord? no

[deep light]

I have before

[open crescent]

discord is a social network

it doesn't have a "watch tv" functionality

[karmic rose]

Someone can stream their desktop as they watch something in a VC (not here) for a group to watch. There's also a few bots that can do this in a VC (again, not here).

[deep light]

Ah ok

[stable wasp]

Flame Breathing 2nd Form Rising Scorching Sun

[warm compass]

can anybody tell me the binding for gestures >.>

[old stump]

shift + F1 - F8

[dire thicket]

World stats be broken

I mean like, how many people in that world be broken

[fossil idol]

Damn

[pale jetty]

I don’t have crazy head sets but they look fine

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-hayden-addi-yoda-im-sorry-gif-20985188

[rugged bramble]

What is the most disturbed person on earth

[karmic rose]

David Draiman? Lead singer for the band Disturbed.

[rugged bramble]

that documentary

?

what do you mean

[karmic rose]

It was a joke. I didn't realize at the time you we're Chinese so probably wouldn't get it.

Disturbed is a massive music band. The lead singer is David. You asked what the most disturbed person on earth was.

[rugged bramble]

en

You know I got a free VPN to connect to your network and came across a lot of new stuff and I'm so excited

I think it's very

COOL

[karmic rose]

Be careful

[rugged bramble]

NB

[rugged bramble]

?

I don't think I'll get caught

[karmic rose]

Just don't do anything stupid to get yourself into trouble is all I mean

But always happy to have anyone from any part of this world join us

[rugged bramble]

yeah

[rugged bramble]

I ain't fucking stupid like that

[karmic rose]

[rugged bramble]

It's been almost half a year and I still have nothing

I also met other Chinese here

[karmic rose]

Yeah there's def a few. Not too many but yeah.

There is also #chinese

[rugged bramble]

Some game servers also have a Chinese section

[karmic rose]

Yeah. Like this one xP

[rugged bramble]

Now that the fuck is here, go to the shitty Chinese section4

It's better to chat in qq

why your names are green

[karmic rose]

Boosted

[stable harness]

gm!

[twin mica]

Goodmorning to you

[wicked grotto]

@vocal shard what might I have done?

Jesus, you may need him my friend,

[earnest lion]

gm boys

[patent kelp]

Morning

[earnest lion]

wuw hru

[patent kelp]

Good how are you

[ruby sage]

I have a question
Can you add someone as a friend through the VR chat site?

I think not but my friend said you can and I just wanna make sure

woah really?
thanks!!

[earnest lion]

fine bro thxu

[stable harness]

sup everyone

[patent kelp]

😃

[autumn blade]

Sup

[pale jetty]

!aki

[vocal shard]

I created a vrc account

[vivid panther]

@vocal shard

[craggy crow]

Good now go play it lol

[vocal shard]

I can’t right now

[heady shore]

does anyone wanna play vrc with me

@craggy crow are you wanting to play ?

[craggy crow]

no i got off about 2am

[rugged bramble]

Come and play in the Chinese area,bro

[tight pollen]

Currently on :)

[worthy quartz]

with bingus?

[fossil idol]

With dingus?

[earnest lion]

sup bruh

[fossil idol]

Oh look its Reverse Chad

[earnest lion]

huh

[vocal shard]

Anyone wanna get on?

[tight pollen]

Jumping on in again in about an hour

[trail sparrow]

Yo any one here

[frank silo]

No we sleeping.

[trail sparrow]

Damm

[earnest lion]

Where does he go up?

gm bruh

[vocal shard]

I was asleep

[vocal shard]

Who wants a cheeseburger? I brought like 5 of them to work today for some reason

[fossil idol]

keep asking and eventually... you get nothing out of it

[autumn willow]

Gimme like 12 hours and I could play

[karmic rose]

I can probably play next week

[autumn willow]

Well I'm usually around to play if you need some company or someone to talk to

[frosty rapids]

i'll be available for play in sixty seven years

i can schedule it for you

[autumn willow]

comedy at its finest

[flint silo]

I’ll be free between 9:13 and 9:15 tonight if anyone wants to chill

[fossil idol]

i dont trust your pfp

[flint silo]

Damn dude what did I do

[fossil idol]

dunno

[frosty rapids]

existed

[autumn willow]

Its okay what time zone you in burnt

I'll probably be on tonight but a little later on

[flint silo]

I take it back, nobody hmu only real ones know what’s up 😢

[autumn willow]

Damn :(

[fossil idol]

you can have any beer as long as its corona

[flint silo]

:( i don’t even like beer

More of a fruity drink kind of guy

[frank silo]

same

[full sail]

I appreciate roasted craft beers. Scratches the coffee itch

[flint silo]

yeah but that fake raspberry taste in vodka drinks 🤤

[full sail]

Yeah that's pretty mood too, won't lie

[autumn willow]

Theres this stuff called sourpuss that goes really well with vodka, has a few solid flavours. Basically just super sugary liquor. You barely get that alcohol taste

Green apple, raspberry, couple other ones

[full sail]

Unrelated segue, I need to put feelers out for shenanigans and hangouts x.x ..friends who were the vr safety net scattered to the winds after and this is a belly laugh raid night put everyone at each others' throats

Yo green apple fake flavour is the best way to forget you ordered something alcoholic

[frosty rapids]

raid? lol, is there a story here? 😄

[full sail]

Ff14 ultimate go brrrr, lol

Tl:dr being friends went poof over no progress, but they were also vr friends sooo. Womp!

[white warren]

i am so sorry to hear that 😮 i hope you recover soon!

[ornate reef]

Hello

[ruby sage]

general 1 is moving way too fast so I'll ask here.. again(I asked once in gen1)

Will I have to update the app?

I know it's a stupid question but I just wanna know

[flint silo]

yea

[umbral reef]

For now its only in beta, once the beta goes live yes.

[ruby sage]

okay thank you!

[solemn bridge]

general is being a dipstick so I'm here to ask a question

[vocal shard]

isn't vrchat teamed up with that one mod thing to where you pay for more avi slots?

[stark sun]

Wait the open beta thing is still going i thought that ended

[umbral reef]

No- No mods are 'partners' with VRchat or are allowed
https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[stark sun]

Its still a minute here TwT

[vocal shard]

Ohhh

[slim cape]

other general chat is spicy, im looking to find out something that isnt really addressed in the post, will the VRC version of EAC allow other games with EAC to be open? Most EAC games do not allow other clients runnijg the anti cheat to open afaik.

[fringe glade]

MFW I can't idle on BDO and play VRChat anymore, that's kinda cringe

[steep turtle]

i genuinely dont understand EAC its annoying

[regal furnace]

ayo i like htis more

[keen cloak]

can i cancel vrchat plus on the website or do i have to log in on my oculus?

[slim cape]

this is my concern, hopefully someone on the vrchat team addresses that

[dry gate]

Well at least this chat is more calm
So how is everyone doing today?

[steep turtle]

now openvr fsr wont work because eac refuses to launch when its in 😒

[fringe glade]

I can't sandbox the games.

[regal furnace]

gotta love vrc community
-> complains about lack of security
-> complains about rippers, hackers, client monkeys
-> vrc adds anti cheat
-> complain their precious mods get banned for security

[swift copper]

I rely on mods for accessibility

[dry gate]

because their solution affects a lot of people in vrchat

[regal furnace]

cant have security with modded clients like we have now

[silver hatch]

Sadly the lack of really important features on vrc is what drives the use of a lot of mods, most of them are just quality of life mods, anti crash and stuff like that that devs haven't been able to provide for the players

[steep turtle]

^ plus theres like fps enhancement mods that people arent going to be able to use anymore 🤣

[frozen musk]

EAC has always been broken for me, causing games to crash on launch randomly.

[fringe glade]

I can't handle my 60+ players lobby without some stuffs, usually when you push something like this, you push the update that give access to what the said mods do first and then you push EAC, not the other ways around lol, but it's ok it's VRChat we're used to it.

I still wish to play BDO idle and vrchat tho lol.

[violet gazelle]

I'd rather stop crashers and client-abusers now at the cost of people's current QoL-mods if it means the QoL mods will eventually be implemented upstream into VRChat.

[regal furnace]

complaining about not being able to use mods anymore wont ever work
complaining enough about performance loss however is a different story

[silver hatch]

A lot of crashing is done without clients anyways, but anticrash needs mods 100%

[fringe glade]

Range based Avatar hide is a need for a lot of people and that should be in the game already tbh, no, safety system isn't nice enough

[neon lantern]

Interesting move to add an anti-cheat. After the modding community Literally proved that mods make the game better.
Imagine

[regal furnace]

it wont destroy them. just like subscription for heated seats doesnt kill BMW, or a 1000$ monitor stand doesnt kill apple

[steep turtle]

exactly idk what this anti cheat is tryna fix

[steady carbon]

yes and now the mods to prevent this are gone

[sharp saddle]

Aaaaand here come the floodgates.

[regal furnace]

disable animations. checkmate

[supple jolt]

it was either this or get bought out by EPIC

[visual minnow]

oh they have been open

[dusty pawn]

i honestly don't care about no mod support, just wish there was an update that was specifically targetted towards increasing performance of the game, someone mentioned fps boosting mods dying, i didn't think they existed but they do, and can up to triple performance, we need a performance sometime soon, especially since the actual Vrchat devs could do way better considering it'd be their game

[sharp saddle]

Hard to optimize a game literally made out of UGC. Y'know?

[regal furnace]

fizzbones
99% of the stuff is avatars anyway. rarely its the worlds fault even

[umbral reef]

Disable animations

[solemn bridge]

the server is getting kinda rowdy in main general and I wanted a word in edgeways to talk about these VRCX and VRChat Packer things. So what they do is they allow you to find models VIA their IDs, and they also are used as a cloud service for avatars, allowing you to save avatars outside of the app. Do you think these two apps will be nuked and/or will result in a ban if used? if so, how do I make sure it doesn't happen so I can keep my account?

[silver hatch]

I dont have that good of a PC and I rely on a mod that hides avatars that are far away from me for performance otherwise i would need to hide all avatars which kills my vrchat expierence

[dusty pawn]

surprisingly there is ways to increase performance, especially if there was mods that increased performance up to double, maybe working with more of the mod devs? i just wanna see vrchat flourish (and also be more accessible to others)

[regal furnace]

then what exactly do they do? i doubt its just a simple

vrchat.setMaxFPS(50000000);

[left canyon]

its not as active here

[pallid chasm]

i only really used mods to find avatars easier because world-hopping is time consuming and sometimes doesn't even give me the avatar that i'm looking for

[dry gate]

You know how **Steam **has a **Workshop **page for supported games?
Like how Garry's Mod has a workshop page to add addons? That might be nice for VRChat.

[solemn bridge]

it really is ngl.. but I wanted to make sure if these things were safe so I can get rid of them if they're not.

[dusty pawn]

just because i now know that the fps boosting mods existed and increased performance doesn't mean i know how they'd work, just know that they did exist

just trying to be positive's all man

[regal furnace]

steam workshop would actually be hella poggers, but it would need manual review

[lost estuary]

fine day were having my calm and collected general 2 fellas.

[dusty pawn]

i would love that, especially if there could be the equivalent of a sodium style mod for vrchat (if you don't know, sodium's a minecraft mod, basically quadruples performance from base game)

[magic gate]

dudes out here unsubbing to vrc+ because of this lul

[dry gate]

Weird priorities right now. What about all of those worlds that stream over a thousand movies/episodes of copyrighted material. Wouldn't it be better to focus on a possible lawsuits than security 🤔

[regal furnace]

sodium is love, sodium is life

[winged adder]

Just wait a month until people bypass EAC. this ain't friggen LOL, nobody is cheating by using mods

[regal furnace]

this server right now:
https://imgur.com/a/NykUypr

[winged adder]

they want to block anything they haven't made, when it takes them 3 years to find a single line of code that lets you click your menu when falling. Lolwut

[dusty pawn]

so true izu, would love a performance focused update, one that is just full on like "there is nothing new aside from getting about triple the performance you once got"

[winged adder]

lol they just blocked the mods to make vr perform better, so your answer there is "no"

[umbral reef]

Where do you see they plan to stop crashers?

[shrewd hound]

Man this place is literally on fire

[dusty pawn]

didn't mention anything about mods in that message but alright!
just saying a performance focused update would be nice

[ebon vine]

I almost feel bad for tupper lol

[winged adder]

the only thing anti-cheat stops is good mods. the bad ones, the ones made by people who are literally hackers, rippers, and crashers, will still get through.

[rough zenith]

whitelists for some of the features that the mods provide are manual and tedious to deal with
removing the ability for any mod will make that lighter on creators and make it a little safer for people
but crashing is probably not changing. now with this I'd hope that we can see some mods get integrated for everyone such as personal mirrors or better cameras and other options

[olive ice]

its easy to say "make an performance update" when the problem is people's horribly unoptimized avatars not vrchat itself

[regal furnace]

id legit apply at vrc to do manual code review for that stuff

[winged adder]

yup.

[dry gate]

Apparently there are a lot of people have suggested a Steam Workshop page
Yet they denied it

[tough totem]

Does this affect the OpenVR AMD FSR tool?
Yes. As the OpenVR AMD FSR tools modifies the client to behave in a different way than is originally intended, it is considered to be a mod.

[left canyon]

The only i know for real there will be Rant. shed the man named tupper nods his head the only one left are the quest users..

[spiral cipher]

People raging so much…

[winged adder]

It's too hard for good people to care. bad people? You don't know how toxicity drives people, do you?

[sharp saddle]

Just give it a few days. All the bitching and moaning will subside and it'll be back to normal.

[rough zenith]

eac has always caused me some frame issues on some games
like brawlhalla feeling a little stuttery

[celest crown]

people are mad cus their suggestive role playing experience will be worse lmao

[vocal furnace]

Can I just say tysm for this security update? I'm so incredibly happy that the use of modified clients will finally be eliminated.

[carmine pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[regal furnace]

we also had that shitstorm with AV3
and Fizz Bones
and Udon
and the new UI
and the ranks
and avatar favourites

[steep turtle]

me too im so happy they removed modified clients and made it so you cant use fps mods that make the game actually playable

[dusty pawn]

to be fair there were mods that increased performance, so an update by the official devs to increase performance is very possible!

there's always room to improve, shouldn't always be negative in life

[umbral reef]

Fun fact, The particle limiter has been a thing since 2018
All you need to do is enable it manually and not ingame. No need for a mod, exact same protection but without the risk of anything 🙃

[vocal furnace]

Maybe dont hang around people with 200 material slots then

[spiral cipher]

I just dont get why people are raging about something they shouldnt have cauz not allowed…

[left canyon]

standing here i realize you are just like me trying to make vrchat history but who's to judge the right from wrong when our mods are down i think we'll both agree EAC breeds violence but in the end it dosen't have to be this way..

[dusty pawn]

who let my bones destroy the performance of vrchat

[umbral reef]

It doesnt
Your lying, highly misinformed or run on 5 year old info

[olive ice]

more than likely the devs already know the popular mods and their features. if you want them to add those features natively, people just have to request them

[regal furnace]

the performance impact is my only worry about this update honestly. i dont care about mods as i never used any. the typical anti cheat performance impact is the only thing that affects me

[ebon vine]

Question more is how much trough put can the devs have to port features from mods to the actuel base game. I feel thats the biggest decided wether or not this is a good idea

[visual minnow]

eac does not allow you to play other games with eac at the same time

[spiral cipher]

Im Just a „grandma“ at this poin i guess lol i never used it so i wont miss it xd

[winged adder]

However, developing something like VRChat is a challenge, and involves a lot of prioritization, triage, and sometimes putting things on a backlogged list that you really wish you didn’t have to. HAHAHA Yes, because mods made in a week took "years to develop"

[rough zenith]

core i7 10700k 32gb ddr4 3200mhz ram with an rtx 3070
eac just seems to make it wonky idk I could be trippin

[upbeat dew]

i7-2600 and RX460 2GB ||(tbf I just upgraded to a 1060 6GB), but like|| 95% of my hours are with that or significantly worse hardware, pretty much any time in VR is with FSR

[narrow brook]

I feel like the best way to go about this would be to whitelist clients. I agree with the idea they have here, but not the execution.
if they focus on whitelisting certain clients thats are for quality of life, a lot of vrchat users will be happy.
removing clients entirely will only cause users to find loopholes and ways around the anti-cheat. then we're back in the same situation

[regal furnace]

Ryzen 7 5800x, 3070ti, 32GB@3600mhz, never needed performance mods, just enough cooling for me and my PC

[umbral reef]

The particle limiter by VRC allows you to crank all stats up to 100x without any real crash odds.
It disables just one thing (what fun fact, that mod also only disable). No more bouncing particles off ya without being friends and boom particle safe

[swift copper]

Why would they choose to break accessibility mods for everyone.
Is that a worthwhile price to pay? Things literally everyone I know rely on for the most basic functionality in game.

For hangouts, being able to teleport to your group or see in dark worlds.
Portable mirrors, Menus that spawn in front of you, finding friends, reducing instability, literally cannot fly anymore even in my own private instance???

[dense orchid]

Being able to lower the voice range in heavily populated instances too

[regal furnace]

its not that easy to target individual mods. having a roundhouse kick for all of them is the better way, and i would have done the same

[upbeat dew]

This is not a actual fix, but GoGo Loco has a flying option now, I haven't tried it yet though.

[noble depot]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update - the blog post addresses this

[ebon vine]

I wonder how many crashers cases are actuely from modified clients compared to just PC bricking avaters. I feel the latter is way more common

[vocal shard]

i see people sad about not having the wholesome mod to

[regal furnace]

psm and ovr will still work, colliders below the legs too, nothing changes about that. its all stuff you can do with either the sdk or steamvr itself

[upbeat dew]

Is the update out already? I kinda want to try a modded client before they're gone.

[umbral reef]

Just talking out of my ass on this as i dont make mobs but id guess it boils down to:
Difference between sending inputs to the game VS sending inputs to steamVR

[solar fiber]

As a linux user who has never seen EAC do anything but immediately bomb out, well, looks like I won't be on VRChat any more. :/

[noble depot]

there are no "pc bricking avatars", that's not how PC hardware works
there are several protections that'll kick in long before your hardware ever becomes damaged, both in software, and in the GPU/CPU/etc itself

[ebon vine]

assuming you dont move on all together I read about nvedia having pass trough drivers for VM's. so maby something worth giving a go

[rough zenith]

wonder if they could make flying and other various mods into the normal game and have the owners of the worlds control weather they can or cannot have those functions
all without it being intrusive like a client

[upbeat dew]

Read the blog post, it should still work. Will check in a few. @steep thistle

[umbral reef]

Tupper literally said linux users are fine 🙃
If you read the blogpost he updated it to make that more clear

[earnest needle]

🤡

[solar fiber]

Didn't last time I tried it a few weeks ago with a couple of games...

[wheat surge]

Dead game

[solid stratus]

Tell that to the corrupted assetbundles and mesh crashers out there

[ebon vine]

I meant more client bricking. if you managed to write software that breaks modern hardware you are a cyber security expert and can propably get good contracts with that

[regal furnace]

53623 players online

[upbeat dew]

The game developers have to enable support for their own games.

[ruby needle]

No

[solar fiber]

I don't use a vm for vrchat, I run it through Steam Proton

[umbral reef]

Disable animations, its the only thing i had disabled for all ranks since 2018 and i can count the times i get crashed every year on still my two hands.

[noble depot]

It is not. Your GPU/CPU and etc will shut down from thermal overload long before damage ever occurs - and before then, the program will probably close first, or Windows/your OS will crash.

Unless your GPU is about to kick the bucket anyway, where doing anything highly intensive would make it die, vrc cannot "brick your computer".

[wheat surge]

Yeah all on quest now

[broken plover]

🤡

[ebon vine]

Assuming it doesnt work anymore. Its worth initialy trying on your linux box first. but ye I heard nightmare storys for linux and anti cheats but maby valve did all the legwork for that. I know last time they did not

[atomic barn]

easy anti cheat now works on linux

[karmic rose]

Anyone got a list of all the EAC titles with active currently working undetected cheats? Is it basically every single game with it? Seems so.

[regal furnace]

21296 in-game according to steam 🤡

[rough zenith]

I tend to see those crashers overload ram more than anything. well at least for me

[late cargo]

Will there be any implementation of face tracking or eye tracking now that the mod cannot be used? OSC isn't fast enough. This update is really concerning to the face tracking community.

[umbral reef]

Same reason every multiplayer game has protections against others. 🤡

[wraith scroll]

probably not for a few months, or if we go by the physbone update, a year +.
You're better off moving to neosvr for the time being.

[ebon vine]

If you say so, I know for fact though to currently dead by daylight does not work on linux primairly due to easy anti cheat so

[rotund lily]

You think they actually care about the enthusist crowd?

[noble depot]

1: 78.9% of statistics are made up on the spot
and 2, that depends on the type of overclocking. If you're touching the voltage, sure

[atomic barn]

thats due to dead by daylight devs not fixing eac its completley up to the dev

[karmic rose]

Exactly. My point is all major titles that use EAC have done nothing to stop hackers and only negatively impact all users.

[late cargo]

Lord the copy pasted paragraphs in general

[round pollen]

this general less bloody nuts?

[umbral reef]

Pmuch every anti cheat by now has been cracked.
Even Valorants anti cheat has been broken properly.

[rough zenith]

like that one mouse that reduces recoil to almost nothing lol
it's been a thing on xbox 360 and ps3 controllers forever too

[lilac meadow]

community managers not knowing how to manage a community kekw

[upbeat dew]

EAC seems to work with Pavlov, never seen a cheater there. My only gripes with EAC is Epic Games and how much it adds to game launch times...

[ebon vine]

TBF he has no control over this in most cases, dont shoot the messanger.

[winged adder]

Wow. they deleted the post about what good, QoL modifications they just killed. Y'all are inciting another #banvrchat. I'mma go watch it happen on twitter.

[somber palm]

Can't wait for targeted advertisements.. fml..

[umbral reef]

Yea launch times are whacky-
But thats the trade of with ingame performance being minimally impacted realy

[noble depot]

because it's adverting mods, read the #rules

[upbeat dew]

I wouldn't be mad about this if we were allowed to just turn off EAC for ourselves, much like how VAC is optional in CSGO.

[rough zenith]

its sensitive to certain words or phrases too

[karmic rose]

There have been successful hacks. It's just a small community. Vrc is not small and there is a very dedicated base of people keen on modding it.

[odd bronze]

Time to switch guys!

[atomic barn]

not to play on official servers

[true flume]

To be fair though, vrchat has been working with mod creators to enhance the game in the same way mods plan to do so, right?

[polar jasper]

sort of defeat the purpose though doesn't it? 🤣

[ebon vine]

CSGO uses privatly hosted games, which vrchat does not. fairly confident in saying all instances are still hosted by vrchat so that would make little sense

[regal furnace]

having some client users leave the game wont make much of an impact

having content creators leave will mark its end

dont forget that guys, the game wont die from EAC

[noble depot]

yup! read the blog post: https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[rotund lily]

They say that, but some of the most common mod features and fixes are nowhere to be seen

[atomic barn]

csgo uses dedicated servers the same as vrc please do research before blurting out lies

[upbeat dew]

That's what I mean, I'd love to have unofficial servers and offline support for VRC. No reason for VRC to be always online, it's more than just a social platform.

[lament lodge]

On "ideas" like oh avatar dynamics are a good idea. Even then look how long it takes them to implement things 6 months or a year past due if lucky

[umbral reef]

Even the content creators 'leaving' aint a problem
In the past every update there wouldbe floods of people crying there avatars would break and ect.
Game only grew after it 🤷

[ebon vine]

CSGO offial servers cannot have VAC disabled(as far as I can tell), thats my point. Community servers can

[karmic rose]

The path was easy. Just keep adding features from mods to make mods irrelevant. Not to scorch earth it with the shittiest anti cheat bs software out there to bog everyone's performance overhead while most likely being bypassed anyways.

[regal furnace]

dont confuse "content creators" with content creators

putting a mirror and a couch on a plane in space wont make you a world creator

[trim delta]

Guys please dont spam my chat board

[lament lodge]

Club instances about to be dead because there was no way to be in one with consistent fps without crashing without mods

[broken plover]

agreed 👍

[karmic rose]

Temporarily until it's bypassed

[upbeat dew]

That's the funny part, to some degree they aren't. From what I can tell, VRC instances are just relayed through VRC, but there's no game logic happening on VRChat's servers. But I might be wrong, though. It just seems that way.

[umbral reef]

Oh no i mean like actually known people inthe creator world
They really just got replaced by someone else who produced the same jank.

Harsh truth that i hate is that actually creative creators barely impact the overall game and mainly provide content for some power users

[noble depot]

to be fair, no anticheat is perfect, but that doesn't mean that taking security steps is useless
it's impossible to prevent cheating outright

[spiral spade]

this update is aids

[left canyon]

just use hard anticheat tupper

[regal furnace]

these were small hits at best

having an update that would make the game loose 90% of its creators will however mark its end

[karmic rose]

This ain't it, champ. EAC is toxic.

[ebon vine]

So do they work peer-to-peer or? I kinda doubt purely because that defeats the whole point. Some one could trivialy still harvest data off the not-server then. though I dont work there so 🤷‍♂️

[lament lodge]

Good thing I already mostly quick to touch grass more

[slim cape]

will the VRC version of EAC allow other games with EAC to be open? Most EAC games do not allow other clients running the anti cheat to open afaik.

[noble depot]

that's misinfo

[limber plaza]

it's sad on both sides, community oriented games thrive from modding, but it may seem the only way to stop stupid botnet scriptkiddie clients is to add anticheat. either people were going to live with the game in its current state which isn't attractive to newbies and a pain for devs but tailored to those who play it often enough, or anticheat is added which resets the playing field for most people but punishing those who benefited from community contributions the most

[umbral reef]

Not sure when you where around but things like almost all worlds needing to be reuploaded- Shaders fucking up, animations breaking and ect caused big %'s of the made content to break and with that creators to give up and not update that content.

'Major' hits have happened, they just dont impact VRC flat out.

[oblique copper]

How is it toxic, if I may ask? I am genuinely curious because I do not use many platforms with it.

[late cargo]

Will there be any implementation of face tracking or eye tracking now that the mod cannot be used? OSC isn't fast enough.

[left canyon]

they flooded to general 2

[lilac notch]

moving to neos, slowmode of 1 minute aint helping you.

[lament lodge]

Maybe in 3 years lmao

[noble depot]

a proper face tracking implementation has been in the works for a while, afaik

[karmic rose]

Permeant overhead. Extremely pervasive into your system. Doesn't actually stop hackers. Affects everyone equally even people who have never used mods and don't care about others doing so. Everyone suffers for a temporary gain before it's bypassed

[ebon vine]

ye it kinda sucks, luckly its a better quartine to #vrchat-general-1 somewhat

[umbral reef]

Have fun! Make sure to not return!

[last dove]

this honestly fucking sucks, me and my bf legit wont be able to play in vr no more. cuz we both get around 20-25fps in worlds with more then 10 people

[oblique copper]

Ah that is a genuinely good question I had not thought of. VRC made it pretty evident by the article that they intend to add QOL features that modded clients did once provide. Perhaps this may be one of them if we voice our thoughts! \o/

[late cargo]

This update is super concerning to the face tracking community and we're hoping to see an update on face tracking implementation especially now that the mod is gone.

[tidal onyx]

to chilloutvr we go

[spiral spade]

nah i finna go to neos

[lavish needle]

Noes ftw

[atomic barn]

because its multiplayer and a game

[upbeat dew]

Every thing that happens psuedo peer-to-peer is just stuff like world/game state. Like "global" mirror toggles and that sort of thing. Stuff like friends, favorites, invites, etc. all happen centrally on VRChat's servers. There's nothing to harvest, there's no persistence.

[noble depot]

of all the alternatives, why do people bring up cvr
I get it, you're upset and want to switch platforms, but..don't hurt yourself lmao

[rugged isle]

there arent leaderboards

[ancient raft]

But there's no competition to cheat in? Plus, most crashers use avatars, not clients to crash

[oblique copper]

I was not actually aware of this. By being pervasive onto my system — do you think you could clarify or give an example? I get the basic idea, but I am not sure what would be the end result of that.

[odd bronze]

All mods are gone that means even noninvasive mods like my deaf friend uses is gone. Your gonna hurt the deaf community....Not just that all the other mods making it accessible to handicap people bro......Time to say fuck it and go to neos

[upbeat dew]

inb4 EAC for discord.

[rugged isle]

i wish that was so fun but i spent way too much money on it

[ebon vine]

That would mean all user data is shared between all users right? would that not kinda be a vector of attack though if you could forge state changes "as some one else"? Or am I just stupid?

[odd bronze]

A speech to text mod although it's not completely accurate and doesn't work in big groups

[verbal elk]

so like will my client just not work now or will i just be banned instantaneously if i accidentally launch with it

[atomic barn]

no its local mirror and world settings are client sided not peer to peer

[fleet bramble]

I’m just wondering, I don’t understand why people are mad that modding isn’t really gonna be a thing anymore. When it was already against the tos before the update?

[solar carbon]

I’m still trying to figure out how to hear other people in vr through a laptop

[late cargo]

Will there be any implementation of face tracking or eye tracking now that the mod cannot be used? OSC isn't fast enough. This update is super concerning to the face tracking community.

[noble depot]

#vrchat-general-2 message

[odd bronze]

I'd like to see any legit that works. If an entire deaf community can't find it....

[ebon vine]

Ye so everything else is on official VRChat servers then? mainly argueing with hare why I think they would not use peer-to-peer stuff

[wicked patio]

this new security update and that's breaks the game for me
i play on a i5 7700k and a gtx 1050ti
i literraly NEED to have two mods to play the game proprely (Avatar hider and Advanced safety)
so until i can't get this mods back i will be forced to play in instances with less then 10 people or on super lightwaight maps
so yeah, no more events raves or anything that is fun for me anymore... just one week after i got my fullbody :crying:

[umbral reef]

Odds are not high any dev will want to answer that with the shitstorm going on.
Check what Zuvali linked ya.

Because facetracking and the likes is not standartized yet its hard to implement and takes time.

[cobalt timber]

does the new update mean, that completely harmless mods like join notifier or portable mirror mod will be "banned"????

[rotund lily]

While it was against TOS tons of people still did it because the tiny risk of being banned was worth the massive QOL and anticrash potential that came with mods

[atomic barn]

peer to peer is risky and can leak ip data centralized servers is better for performance and security

[late cargo]

I'm asking for a response from someone on the VRChat team. I'm aware they've spoken about it before, I'd just like an update now that the facial tracking mod is gone.

[chrome prairie]

You will not be banned, only blocked from launching the game. Delete mods and reinstall VRC to be allowed back in again. Ref their blog post

[rare wigeon]

it wasn't enforced before, now it is, that's why people are pissed

[errant root]

so when this goin revert @covert chasm

[covert chasm]

You can use RabidCrab's implementation, which uses OSC! https://www.patreon.com/RabidCrab

There's also a FOSS implementation: https://github.com/VRCWizard/TTS-Voice-Wizard (along with this: https://github.com/killfrenzy96/KillFrenzyAvatarText/)

[ebon vine]

I know, just explaining that to the other dude

[stoic lance]

So what all mods are banned?

[atomic barn]

not banned just not going to launch anymore

[oblique copper]

I believe the article explains it — but I’ll paste a quote from it here.

“No, you will be fine. If you have previously used mods and have totally removed them, nothing will happen.

If you are currently using mods, you will receive an error on your screen and you will be prevented from loading into VRChat. Users that attempt to load a mod while running VRChat will be disconnected and the application will shut down.”

[stone maple]

I just idk man its not a wise decision

[mighty wadi]

rip people who bought haptic suits

[solar carbon]

Could someone explain to me about the new update please? And what it’s preventing other people to do

[noble depot]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[umbral reef]

Tupper is there a reason VM's are not functioning and plans to revert it?
EAC has been allowing VM's for a fair while as they barely add anything to security.

[karmic rose]

At least I'll get a good laugh when the malicious modders bypass this soon enough so everyone will be affected and malicious actors will still do as they please. Solutions

[late cargo]

Will there be any implementation of face tracking or eye tracking now that the mod cannot be used? OSC isn't fast enough. This update is super concerning to the face tracking community.

[odd bronze]

That's actually helpful

[cobalt timber]

instead of banning mods they could have included these things into the game....i really love my portable mirror and join notifier

[stoic lance]

Guys let's go to NEOSvr.

[fallow torrent]

Please go there.

[atomic barn]

so whats better having no guard rails or some?

[verbal elk]

alright

[slim rampart]

now is the worst time to announce a security update

[oblique copper]

All modifications to the base client/modded client variants are banned. They have always been against ToS, but a system is being put in place to stop/discourage users from using them.

[rugged isle]

yes cause telling trolls to do anything helps this

[thorn surge]

I got a question what about those avatars that nuke entire lobbys by them just spawning in. Like you have to have max safety settings to survive it which ngl ruins the fun seeing grey robots everywhere

[ashen wadi]

Read the FAQ. They know what the popular ones are and have plans to add that stuff.

[errant root]

years down the line when the game is dead @ashen wadi

[mighty wadi]

same on portable mirror. i got a huge phobia of people being behind me that portable mirror solved. now im just stuck with my back against the wall

[fallow torrent]

Yeah I can't wait to see their cloudflare errors.

[umbral reef]

Also the reason i advocate for removing of all safety laws and seatbelts! They are not perfect so should be removed!
I wanna drive my car 200Km/h without care!

[winged sapphire]

Im done with vrchat till they do something else about crashers

[frigid wing]

i wish vrchat would actually listen to peoples concerns than idk do their own thing.

[oblique copper]

The article states they intend to add some of these QOL features into the game. It will take time, but I expect they will be bringing some onto the scene.

“As such, we've been working towards native implementations of features like a main menu that's usable even when you're lying down, a portable mirror that you can use to calibrate your full-body tracking (or provide a face-cam), and more – all planned for upcoming releases.”

Please consider reading through the article rather than going off the head-line alone.

[graceful pewter]

how are y'all doing

[spice osprey]

whats the deal with this whole no mods thing? ive spent quite a bit of money on things that rely on mods, can i just not use any of it anymore?

[cobalt timber]

why not implementing these things BEFORE putting up an opdate like that

[rugged isle]

why should we care about a broken system that is killing its self

[atomic barn]

they just did bro this helps yall are just actually delusional this stops script kiddies people have to put in effort now and not just inject a dll

[rotund lily]

And those "plans" will take how long? they haven't even implemented super basic stuff like true shader anticrash

[stone maple]

Most of there player base use melon atleast and easier on the fbts this will also ruin events which made vr fun ppl who play music such as being a dj is now ruined this tbh is such a bad idea nothing was broken

[full sail]

Jeebus I am so lost, all all chats flying by

[ancient bloom]

With OpenVR AMD FSR Tool Being mentioned in the blog, could there be a possibility that FSR might be considered to be implemented to VRC?

[fallow torrent]

They are doing what's nessisary to remove client based crashing.

[latent obsidian]

Crashers are one of the biggest problems here aside from rippers, and yet performance and little neat mods like limb grabber are an issue, ok

[ashen wadi]

absolutely not true.

[true flume]

Limb grabber possible with avatar dynamics and doesn't need a client

[hasty kettle]

There are a few issues with this tho. Because EAC is a kernal based anticheat, and it can be assumed malicious clients are already working on their bypass.

Other, non-malicious mods are not attempting to do this. So any security mods or features added are removed while any malicious clients are free to do as they please. Which is a bit scary

[rugged isle]

still plenty of avi crashers this will just prevent anyone from stopping those

[cobalt timber]

you should have done it before, to implement the good mods like join notifier portable mirror and a few others into the game and THEN load the update

[winter condor]

Hello @covert chasm, for mod that optimize the performance of the games why not create a git repo where you review what are created so no malicious one can get into it and add it like a exception ?
I think that is possible to do it but not sure for a game...

[latent obsidian]

so I can grab your arms legs and pick you up with physbones?

[fallow torrent]

It will make it less widespread and with use of safety settings, I rarely ever crash. Also very poor avatars that crash you are essentially your fault.

[velvet spruce]

you're vastly overestimating how effective eac is lol

[late cargo]

Will there be any implementation of face tracking or eye tracking now that the mod cannot be used? OSC isn't fast enough. This update is super concerning to the face tracking community.

[true flume]

Grabbing arms and legs yes
But moving people isn't possible unless it's added to the world

[atomic barn]

youre vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average vrc crasher

[oblique copper]

Lot of folks are upset that client-side quality-of-life modifications will be put to a stop with the new security measures put in place. Some are speculating that malicious mods will still be able to get around it, but that is yet to be seen. Additionally, VRC has given users the choice to lock/unlock sessions (and along with that they are being more linear about privacy concerns there within). Finally, they intend to add highly desirable QOL features in at some point. It will take time, but over-all, it seems to be a decent move in the right direction.

[latent obsidian]

Sometimes safety settings don’t work, got an avatar at one point where the expressions menu crashes you when you open it

[fallow torrent]

When people start using crashers I'll be concerned. Otherwise they are a clownshow.

[upbeat dew]

I wouldn't be surprised if the VRC dev team is in a perceptual state of scrambling and every so often we get see what they finish. Software development is hard as shit.

[ashen wadi]

Iirc it's something on their radar

[rugged isle]

yes cause EA and UBISOFT implemented anti cheat so well just makes all users mad

[winged sapphire]

lmao XD

[slender saffron]

what about those who bypass EAC? we still see hackers in other games with it implemented

[latent obsidian]

no my safety settings are set properly, read what I said fully instead of taking a part of it

[velvet spruce]

avatar crashers are old news - you can have someone's avatar blocked and they still crash you. i can't remember exactly how it works, but it involves overloading the server with requests i believe.

[umbral reef]

Bruh just leave and stop posting cringe here

[mighty wadi]

problem : implementation should been qol first with phasing out the mods then add in anti cheat

[upbeat dew]

It's simple, they're for ||Full Face Booping.||

[kindred lake]

there are too many bypasses online for eac, all the malicious mods will update and stay private. the public non malicious mods will stop working. thats my prediction.

[oblique copper]

That’s fair honestly. I’m personally anticipating it will come, but it may not. Best we make our voices heard with regards to that in particular. \o/

[shut anvil]

🤓

[velvet spruce]

and crushing tiny baby men between your huge sausage fingers

[umbral reef]

But if your hands are tiny its harder to beat up the small kids 😤

[oblique copper]

It is entirely possible, and I agree to some extent. I think the VRC team wanted to alleviate the mass amounts of reports, complaints, etc. relating to modded clients (account theft, bugs, crashing, and ripping for example). Perhaps this can ease the workload/task delegation and allow them to put more energy towards the QOL additions, but that is merely speculation and best case scenario.

[fallow torrent]

Yeah so network abuse is not really preventable in any game. If you have a monkey blocked, it's extremely hard for them to find you in the API. As someone with thousands of hours of navigating the game, the people who monkey around are not ones who originally wrote that code. Likely any free garbage is ratted beyond shit anyways

[elfin arch]

How will this effect the tf2 bot crisis

[umbral reef]

Gaben is still setting up a specialized group to raid all tf2 bot owners

[subtle creek]

LMAO

[onyx parcel]

because people think that just because the Devteam tolerated it so long ( which was the only mistake at this point imo ) that it would never happen

they are literally crying that they cannot break the rules anymore

[hasty kettle]

a much more efficient way would have been to work actively with the modding community rather than outright ban and take their features. It would provide a much healthier work environment, more people who are proficient at it, and eased the workload

[tight sonnet]

People still think that the mod community is a big part of the game ? God

[oblique copper]

Slowmode makes it a bit difficult to reply. I think the follow-up message I had with JustJaime reflects my thoughts with relation to your statement here if you are interested in continuing the discussion. Sorry for any confusion in advance. ^^

[umbral reef]

Card frying aint a thing 💀

[upbeat dew]

I find it crazy that people seem to think Tupper is the entire VRChat team, like he just talks for them.

[fallow torrent]

I can't wait until more people who mod quit.

[cobalt venture]

whats up with the spam in #vrchat-general-1

[winged cargo]

why wouldnt you implement mod features BEFORE taking them away from people who just want to have the game run as it should have 8 years ago. its obviously not that hard to implement if 4 dudes in a basement can have it running and keep it up-to-date for free. i get that you devs suck and cant figure out how to do basically anything, but this game is going down the toilet. these same "mods" that you are taking action against, have protected us from malicious activities more than your dev team ever has. now we all have no protection at all. what are you thinking?

[noble depot]

turn notifications on for all messages in gen-1 and gen-2 for fun

[vocal shard]

i voted with my wallet and canceled my VRC+ might as well do the same if u have it

[velvet spruce]

i guess you're right there, but this will be just such a temporary, hacked-together solution

[prisma sail]

I also ended my vrc+

[oblique copper]

That is rightfully so your choice to make, and it may encourage them if you follow-up with feedback to the correct avenue — feedback.vrchat.com

[somber palm]

Camera resolution?
This won't affect the resolution change via config file will it?

Would be silly if it did but I've got to ask

[cobalt venture]

Why ?

[umbral reef]

It wasnt-
Im not even going to entertain the idea for you. Unless you have those great platsic grade PSU's with parts that got build before the average quest player the things aint gonna die from functioning as intended.
Computer parts are made to work- Claiming they die just because they get used a lot is stupid as fuck.

[cosmic sage]

They really had a whole community of people making their client playable, and decided to throw it away 🥲

[fallow torrent]

I hope VRC really messes it up for modding. I bought one of my friends vrc+ last night. I am in full support of people's networked clients all getting perm banned together.

[lofty wraith]

I will miss my Comfy VR Menu the most. It was (I believe) a one-line mod that made menus appear at my head instead of downward. It alleviates my vertigo so much.

[fleet bramble]

It’s becuase of the kids that register their age to be born before Christ

[winged cargo]

Everyone Boycott VRC+

[hasty kettle]

Honestly, I wish VRChat team did a collab with the modding community BEFORE adding in EAC. Adding the features and new security

[umbral reef]

Unity and Windows for sure would die, not your PC parts.
No component engineering is building things in a way where the max load can ever burn up there parts even if you run month long max loads.
Its plain wrong and lies that you got spoon fed by people who prob used to lick electrical outlets

[worthy lintel]

I believe they said in the blog post that they're looking into adding that before deploying EAC on the main branch

[onyx parcel]

its just funny i read the same names that scream about this coming update 🙂

Just cope and read teh blogpost + get some air into that sponge

[cobalt venture]

OpenVR AMD FSR was kinda... nice thing to have

[fallow torrent]

What is there to collaborate on? The most important think of phys bones anyways.

[lofty wraith]

Disability QOL measures?

[oblique copper]

I agree, though it is a tentative process. It calls into question whether this would be volunteer work or if they’d need to be signed on as employees. I also don’t know to what extent they’d have access to VRC’s resources/code or how much time that would take to be proficient as well as safe about it.

[winged cargo]

Everyone Boycott VRC+

[full sail]

Ah, gotcha. Welp! Good thing I'm still nubbly and just know the basics of existence vs what all apparently us goin on~ thank you friend

[ebon vine]

ye same, I feel bad for tupper at this point for being the messanger

[cinder wharf]

"Does this affect the OpenVR AMD FSR tool?"
Yes. As the OpenVR AMD FSR tools modifies the client to behave in a different way than is originally intended, it is considered to be a mod.

So those of use using FSR so VRChat can run smoother are now not allowed?

[lilac dome]

Bark for me dog

[umbral reef]

I played a lot worse games then VRchat with a lot more jank for windows and my computer.
Parts do not just die because they worked as intended 🙃

[abstract kestrel]

im curious where VRCX stands on this

[cobalt venture]

yea, my potatopc is gonna struggle

[mighty wadi]

like i dance in vrc so none of this is a huge issue for me but like. holly hec do i got friends with disabilities that used mods to make them playable. now they cant even enjoy the game due to what they done.

[oblique copper]

No problem! It shouldn’t impact you too much at all in that case. If there any questions or concerns, VRC’s support system is available to reach out to at any time.

[hasty kettle]

Again, this is cause EAC is a kernal based anticheat, and has known bypasses. All the targeted areas are bypassing except non-malicous mods. Thats my issue. Plus, being an engineer myself, I like to see efficient work being done. Thats all

[harsh galleon]

That attachment affects the client supposedly

[ember viper]

It doesnt have anything related to vrc client. So its ok

[cinder wharf]

That's literally on the Blog Post in the Q/A

[winged cargo]

why would you feel bad for tupper when he brought it on himself. these devs have half-baked updates for years and they break more than they fix every single time.
Everyone Boycott VRC+

[trim hamlet]

play on quest :^)

[full sail]

o7 so long as I can play charades halfway decently and use markers, communication is possible~

[umbral reef]

Wanna bet most people crying about canceling VRC+ dont even pay for it?

[abstract kestrel]

@ember viper but it can make changes thou to your friends list and stuff... so it pulls and changes info somewhere

[harsh galleon]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[whole mason]

-sigh- only mod i use was for my camera lol. Flash light for recordings lol

[onyx parcel]

same

[cinder wharf]

https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update

[winged cargo]

i guess just wait for the anti-anti-cheat client

[hard needle]

only thing gonna be happening here is:

EAC gets bypassed in 2 days tops
QoL mods get fucked
crashers will still exist
vrc's funding takes a fat L as people cancel vrc+ like no tomorrow

[ember viper]

Its done through the web api and not the game itself.

[queen cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKu7TYWNxqA

[fallow torrent]

Isn't this like a good deal for us? Listen to this logic -boycotts cause no longer can mod -boycotts -kthanxlol

[ember viper]

Yea. Crashers are gonna find a way. Only people who are gonna suffer is the loyal users with QOL mods.

[latent obsidian]

mhm

[lofty wraith]

To be fair, it does say "planned for upcoming releases" which doesn't mean 'before we add EAC'.

[quaint tinsel]

So how are the disabled and physically impaired people ment to play VRC when they cant use essential mods

[uncut furnace]

We do love morbius

[onyx parcel]

you clearly are not long here, my friend

The last 1,5 Year the Dev's made huge steps compared what was coming before that time

[vocal shard]

the stinky modded client users are mad again

[ebon vine]

since I doubt tupper is "the dev" behind it.

[vocal shard]

🇲 🇴 🇷 🇧 🇮 🇺 🇸

[hard needle]

this question assumes that this update actually had any amount of brain function put into it

[vocal shard]

this is the only way we can get heard, if we all cancel our subscription

[fallow torrent]

If your here to tell us we are abilists for rejecting your qol mods I'm just going to laugh harder. Hurry up and boycott

[ashen wadi]

"why don't they just add x feature, it's easy" -- someone who has never programmed in their life

[onyx parcel]

exactly

[uncut furnace]

bob

[latent obsidian]

Heaven forbid people make it so pc users have a bareable day with mods that make things not laggy as hell, have stuff that helps them, ye know, advertise the game without advertising, make their own content and crap, heaven forbid

[stone maple]

Yeh i just vibe and use melon and relax now all dat is gone man

[hard needle]

believe it or not but some people do actually need those mods for one reason or another, feel free to laugh in your corner there

[vocal shard]

I'm new here! Say hi!

[ember viper]

Mods are there and open source and free. Im definitely sure the paid devs at vrc can handle that.

[ebon vine]

TBF, it should be phrased as "why don't they just add x feature, some one has already done it"

[fallow torrent]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[full sail]

Hello friend!

[umbral reef]

Just take the copy printer, print out the code, push the paper into the server rack and boom done 😎

[cinder wharf]

Easier said than done to add a new feature to existing code. You have to make sure the new code doesn't break existing features and it has to be tested and debug'd repeatedly.

[hasty kettle]

Not exactly mad. I just wish the devs would slow down a bit and reorder their releases.

First work with modded community (of course the non-malicious mod community) to get new features and securities.

Then add in the EAC but continue with the modded community to add new updates to vrchat

I just personally think this would be a great way to 1) bring the vrc community together and 2) efficiently add new and good features to vrchat

[graceful pewter]

and also is easy to maintain

[harsh galleon]

??? So mods that provide mute people the ability to speak are just dumb to you? Such ass text to speech?

[vocal shard]

agreed

[latent obsidian]

Us quest users don’t have that luxury but even then, I have multiple pc friends who use these mods to actually enjoy playing, rather than getting frustrated all to hell because of worlds being improperly optimized and all that jazz

[hard needle]

it's shit bait, no need to bite

[ashen swift]

Hello I'm new here! Say hi! how are you today?

I'm so sorry

[winged cargo]

ive been in vrchat since 2017. 1 or 2 major upates in a year and a half does not negate years of neglect

[ashen wadi]

Don't need a mod. Just a bit of setup with Virtual audio cables.

[vocal shard]

the modded client developers refuse to talk to VRchat developers

because they know they used jank ass code that allowed them to steal personal information and track users

@uncut furnace join me on Ram Ransch.

[onyx parcel]

#maths

[uncut furnace]

Hell yea brother lets go take a shower

[cinder wharf]

And you can say goodbye to Linux users who were accessing VRChat through Proton as well. EAC is still incompatible and inconsistent on Proton.

[still aurora]

i remember when they added vrc+ and did nothing else, i dont trust the devs at all when it comes to QOL changes

[umbral reef]

Good shit there are non mod options that function fine 🙂
Scroll far up to see Tuppers msg where he linkes some of them

[full sail]

Tbf I can only speak at a whisper from throat damage, but there are always ways to communicate. Yeah not as effectively but I make do at base level

[fallow torrent]

Yes you dont need mods to do this.

[ashen wadi]

2015 here. They only recently have been able to expand their team. Takes time to coordinate stuff.

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

About as right as most people in this community.
EAC has supported most linux versions for a fair while- VRC even states so in there blogpost about this...

[uncut furnace]

😉

[valid owl]

People really pulling a Cave Johnson and giving the lemons back.

[latent obsidian]

Ouch man

[steel flower]

Tell me why, aint nothing but a heartache, tell me why, aint nothing but a mistake

[cinder wharf]

Honestly VRC should have been 18+ from the get-go. Allowing kids in VR especially on the internet is like letting them loose in NYC with a $500 bill chained around their neck.

[ashen wadi]

Never used a modded client in all my years, never needed it.

[onyx parcel]

like i mentioned earlier , those are the folks that didnt read the blogpost - those are the ones that cry the loudest 😄

[jolly gate]

Excuse you kind person, I am an adult and use quest and some adults can’t afford a pc. It’s the kids who are icky

[main sparrow]

true

[verbal elk]

i simply will not turn my computer off and keep vrchat open /j

[umbral reef]

Stop using shit linux distro's then

[latent obsidian]

at least I’m not an annoying lil 5 year old who shouldn’t even have a headset

[ebon vine]

If you have ever been a child you should know that children dont really care about that

[vocal shard]

i have seen those shitty modded clients fail more often than not still crash

also i have seen them WITH crashers built in, soooo, yeah

the developers of the modded clients also refuse to talk to the VRCHAT development team because they are pieces of crap

[quaint tinsel]

My next issue is the preformance tanking that will accour with EAC cause that shits as intensive as antivirus

[hidden sigil]

So basically what vrchat just did was cancel all wholesome mods for performance, optimization, functionality etc and now only illegal clients will be usable 😌

[fallow torrent]

I just here to watch people make fools of themselves. This is today's clownshow.

[tawdry girder]

As of 25/07/2022 VRChat announced an Open Beta which includes a kernel anti-cheat known as Easy Anti-Cheat.
This is a horrible change and will harm VRChat more than it will help it. VRChat has always had a honestly terrible stance on (even wholesome) modding, but we co-existed without any big problems.

Now they want to block all Quality of Life mods, all protection mods like AdvancedSafety and NetworkSanity that prevented you from crashing from common crashing methods.
All of that, only to prevent a minority of malicious and toxic people in the game that also happen use mods to be a nuisance around other people.

With this change people using crashers will be more powerful than before. People using (Photon-)Bots will be more powerful than before. Because YOU won't have any protection due to Easy Anti-Cheat.

This free service to search for avatars won't be available for the time being. If VRChat decides to stick with EAC I will be shutting it down entirely and maybe release the database to the public.

If you are subscribed to VRC+ and think this change shouldn't happen, cancel your subscription. That's probably the only way they will listen.

To VRChat:
Come on. You can do better.

[main sparrow]

some mod user are harmless and just using it to protect yourself, they paying Vrc+ 2, but im nott suporrting thinggs like that what they comes up

[north spade]

Oh thank god it’s slower in here

[harsh galleon]

Now we just have to have safety settings at max at all times I guess. Because crashers are just gonna abuse their power the moment this drops and we are all gonna be screwed and can’t go into a club world without worrying about being mass crashed

[grim moon]

You've jinxed it

[fast vector]

whack, rip bozo

[quaint tinsel]

Steam work shop would be a great way to moderate mods added to vrc and easily root out any crashers

[umbral reef]

EAC barely impacts performance in most modern games 🙃
Elden ring has no real FPS drops and only frame times that are being used more then without it.
The only impact it has is long loading times for most games

[latent obsidian]

I have been spared apparently

[rugged agate]

Yeah, I don't see this solving anything. It's going to be a rough period for the game where crashers have more power as people with defensive mods are going to be unable to exist in public lobbies. It's going to be like TF2 all over again.

[gentle island]

sry but this is the moment where i will cancel my vrchat subcription, no reason to support it then...

[fallow torrent]

Have the bans even started yet?

[north spade]

Oops

[flint silo]

someone got doxxed I think but that's it

[ashen wadi]

They're not even banning people

[lofty wraith]

No one is getting a ban for modding, it'll just bork the game.

[harsh galleon]

No the drop tomorrow they are in open beta and they don’t ban the user just the modified client won’t open

[vast mortar]

Majority are harmless lol but of malicious users mess it up for everyone

[latent obsidian]

There is the big reason why this update is a bad idea, modders are willing to help, but vrc, you guys are shutting the door in their face for…what reason exactly?

[dense helm]

We need the ability to toggle off post processing, dynamic shadows and completely hide player as not to load any data about the except their rough position. Going to party is impossible on low end hardware, but such feature would help anyone

[tight sonnet]

200 dudes crying about, not gonna change anything, in one week everyone gonna stop talking about it 🍿

[valid owl]

Ha!

[unique vessel]

Agreed unfortunately

[north spade]

Tupper did is what I heard

[fallow torrent]

That's actually halorious, I wonder how many people will ask the devs in support why their game doesn't open.

[vocal shard]

god, i hope they start banning them

[ebon vine]

VRChat has safety settings already to remedy this

[onyx parcel]

"Lets add code from someone who doesn't work for us into our servers and hope we didn't miss a single line of hazardous code"

[lofty wraith]

Oh hush.

[vocal shard]

oh this channel is slower than the other one

[rugged agate]

I don't know if that's true honestly. The last time this happened, it was such a severe backlash that they reverted their stance on banning mod creators and open some lines of communication instead. They wouldn't do that if people were going to forget about it quickly.

[tight sonnet]

@vocal shard Since you have an Gura PP you should know why the game have the big hype rn only because of Vtubers & Streamer so its pretty not much a big deal for vrchat to have pass throught that shit

[vocal shard]

those modded client makers don't communicate with the vrchat development team because they have shady asf shit on them

[unique vessel]

Somebody start a #savevrchat

[umbral reef]

Good thing aint banned people then...
All you gotta do is disable the stuff and it will work agian, no bans

[flint silo]

idk i just saw an address being spammed

[lofty wraith]

We don't communicate with the team because because we're breaking TOS even for using QOL mods potentially resulting in a ban. But there are definitely upvoted requests on Canny that are just... sitting.

[harsh galleon]

Sure no banning on people but for those of us who used em to literally save our gpus this is gonna hurt.

[valid owl]

Ban who? People who just want a better optimized game? This is like milk without cereal now. Dry n bland like ya momma’s cooking.

[ebon vine]

there literly is a tab lights and particles

[paper topaz]

I love how this channel just has civil conversation while its neighbor is being bombarded XD

[tight sonnet]

@vocal shard Don't care if its not typed well not my main language also its actually true just check the numbers on the charts 🙂

[vocal shard]

because it wasn't in good faith, those modded client developers are SHADY ASF and i judge people who use them

[proper adder]

not for worlds

[umbral reef]

Good thing is that all the rumors you heard about your hardware dying is false
At best you get shit performance, but yell at your friends to optimize there things then

[shell terrace]

Fecking F in the chat for my friends with severe visual impairments and depend on multiple QOL mods just to s e e

[dry gate]

Feedback upvotes right now going brrrr 📈📈📈

[atomic barn]

bro dont complain about how eac is spyware your loading random closed source mods from random people on the internet and you expect to be more secure?

[solid niche]

https://tenor.com/JL4x.gif

[royal light]

So how is everyone doing today?

[toxic swan]

Im just eating and watching the shit show

[maiden wadi]

I'm sure that they'll get a bunch more upvotes now, seeing as people have no reason to avoid looking to Canny for new features by using mods instead

[regal furnace]

https://imgur.com/a/NykUypr

[viscid ravine]

Vrchat is gonna hard core die💀

[hasty kettle]

There was communication in the past. When all non-malicious mod creators got banned. Last I checked it was all in good nature. It was the communities that were charged (just as the spammers in gen 1 are being) that were the issue.

Plus the hate on them gets noone anywhere. Obviously they have some talent, being able to add features that VRChat wouldnt have ever had if the modding community didnt exist.

[kindred lake]

just allow modding but no malicious modding.

[rancid totem]

just suggest features to implement, guys! developers NEVER ignore these and NEVER leave it up to the community to fix in the form of mods!

[harsh galleon]

My GPU is already dying lol it’d die from something to harsh

[ebon vine]

hmm fair point then, though I feel map creaters should design maps that dont run like shit

[honest valley]

just vibing

[tight sonnet]

@vocal shard The Questie community is atleast 50%, doens't affect them

[soft helm]

Interested on seeing that update tomorrow, how about you

[vocal shard]

This is going to be so bad for VRChat...

[graceful pewter]

just got back from picking up groceries

[shell terrace]

They totally havent been ignoring them for 2 YEARS or anything

[lofty wraith]

Developers may be shady, but some of us are using mods to mitigate disabilities. I don't trust the 'this'll be added in an upcoming update' line especially if that 'upcoming update' is not before EAC is implemented.

[paper topaz]

Some people in there are actually hilarious, in a humor way. I cannot stop smiling my cheeks hurt

[viscid ravine]

Super bad.
Vrchat is gonna be forced to reverse it soon

[umbral reef]

There are ways to software limit to not limit its useage so it will die less then--
Also aint really VRC's fault, if you open a chrome tab too much it will die just as likely then

[regal furnace]

funny thing, most do

[rancid totem]

brought to you by bethesda 💀

[tender cloak]

Why are people actually losing their minds

[royal light]

Thats cool my friends, im doing great catching up on some work rn

[flint silo]

meet me in club penguin guys

[vocal shard]

no, they are shitty people who are putting in VRC+ features as mods for free

imagine waking a sleeping bear by taking its food and crying when the bear bites you

[maiden wadi]

If you allow one, how do you prevent the other? What about non-malicious mods that get blocked because they're doing a new unique thing and get flagged as malicious? What about mods that look like they're innocent, but really they are malicious under the hood?

[vocal shard]

I'm thinking it's gonna be a few hours and then they'll send out a ping reverting the update. Minus the locked and unlocked portals, of course. Those are cool af.

[ebon vine]

then performance would not be an issue in the firstplace for maps atleast, and avaters being shit can be fixed via safety settings

[fallow torrent]

Lol if you reverse charge in protest, I think you can get in trouble for that.

[onyx parcel]

thats not how rendering works

and @torn cliff who does the client communicate with ?
How much access has the client to the server files?
How do you want the devteam to check several hundred mods in a short timeframe ? Some of them are several thousand lines big ~

[regal furnace]

still a lot of cpu power required for 40+ avatars

[gentle sentinel]

i dont know why everyone is goin after tupper like he is the bad guy. he was just the messenger about the update

[barren whale]

i'm bummed but not surprised. vrchat is moving towards being a sterilized corporate friendly app, gotta bring in advertisers somehow

[quaint tinsel]

nope

[umbral reef]

Perfect examepl of why mod creators cant be trusted. They lied about being partnered.
They worked never together and have always been banned

[ebon vine]

prop should be some proximity meme going on ye, I kinda assumed it already was the case but from everyones reaction that appears to not be the case

[honest valley]

this whole thing about people being scared of easyanticheat reminds me of the scandal of valorant's anticheat lol

[hasty kettle]

Have you read the security blog post? It says, and I quote "Finally, we’re aware that many legitimate users install modifications to add features they wish VRChat had natively. We're very aware of the popularity of these modifications, and we’re aware that EAC means those modifications are gone, too. As such, we've been working towards native implementations of features like a main menu that's usable even when you're lying down, a portable mirror that you can use to calibrate your full-body tracking (or provide a face-cam), and more – all planned for upcoming releases."

This means these mods have features never added to VRChat, and vrchat is adding them. If you are gonna make an arguement, make sure you have the info before stating something incorrect

[fallow torrent]

Yes cause service was delivered on their end. Your just starting a false credit dispute.

[meager trench]

People are right to dislike EAC, it's fucking garbage.

[agile tartan]

bump, this is true

[lofty wraith]

The main client that did that, removed that feature months ago. IF there are others out there that do that, I'm unaware of them. Also it's totally possible to just... install mods singularly.

[umbral reef]

Meanwhile no one cares about what discord could spot or even steam itself...
Hell most people install facebook software on there PC's without caring

[ebon vine]

they literly stated in the security post they dont do this and have never done this with anyone so I doubt that that is the case. I see VRChat stating this so many times its hard to keep track of it

[tender cloak]

To me that's a miniscule amount of it. I've been listening to a lot of people complaining and I'm starting to see why this update is not for the best. As an avatar creator, I was happy knowing that a lot of people who rip avatars will cease. I don't know how to feel about it anymore really

[honest valley]

xigncode3 is worse tho

[vocal shard]

lolol, don't lie and simp for people who were breaking the law

[meager trench]

And? Another Anticheat software being garbage doesn't excuse the use of EAC.

[ebon vine]

the fear factor from valorant came mostly from it being chinese anti cheat and its insistance on staying on even if you where not playing. but I agree its mostly schizo posting : P

[umbral reef]

Review bombs get removed by steam anyway kekw
Also good way to kill the game even if they reverted there stance

[lofty wraith]

🙄 Okay. Regardless, I don't use a client. I only want certain things so I just do it singularly.

[prisma obsidian]

Also from the article: "(Easy Anti Cheat) will improve the VRChat experience for users and creators." Uh huh, tell that to all the creators who need mods to test maps and such. If the VRC team thinks that it'll improve anyone's experience then they're nuts.

[rugged agate]

The biggest issue here is I don't see this solving the issue they're trying to address. Hackers can bypass EAC quite easily and it's why games like Apex and Fortnite still struggle with it. It might reduce it to some degree, but it won't stop the crashers. It won't stop people ripping avatars. It just makes it harder to enjoy the game for innocent users.

[onyx parcel]

i never said unrestricted lol dont put words in there

[buoyant willow]

"we dont allow fun" -Vrchat devs 2022

[vocal shard]

Sure buddy. Totally innocent and trying to defend it from the bottom of your heart.

The issue is that what you said was a complete lie, people still use them and have them installed from the client, it wasn't in good faith and they are getting slapped down, it is fair.

[fallow torrent]

The disillusionment is so amusing.

[winged zenith]

This post describes a really good way to meet in the middle, you guys should go upvote it

Provide Support for Curated Mods
https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/provide-support-for-curated-mods

[vocal shard]

There are modded clients that that prevent getting crashed, too. Modded clients aren't the only way to take avatars...

[verbal elk]

i admire your optimism, at the least

[dusky shoal]

"we wannt them to crash our players" -vrc devs

[buoyant willow]

"we dont allow fun" -Vrchat devs 2022

[hasty kettle]

As well as content creators. Again, communication with mod creators has existed and went well, I wish it would happen again. Thats all im saying. All the code for mods (that are non-malicious) are open source and be completely reviewed easily on github. Thats all im saying. The update isnt bad in theory, just bad in timing and execution

[north spade]

This

[kindred lake]

human mods, ticket system. this game has no goal, there is no way to boost urself up. If there is a crasher, report it to the mods and let them figure out a way to fix it. Most of the people do not use mods maliciously anyway, this is not 2018. Its only a handful, and the non malicious mod users get punished 4 it. I myself do not use anything big so for me it does not matter, but it takes away peoples fun.

[lament lodge]

My vrchat only ran rock solid because I had well over a dozen anti crash/grief and fps boosting mods

[vital urchin]

EAC in my opinion is a pretty crappy program. All the games I’ve seen use it have to many problems with hackers and the program just not even working to the point you can’t even play to game because you get the “EAC is not installed” bug. They could of handled security better while still allowing some mods (not ripping ones more of public avatar search or portable mirrors) like other games.

[ebon vine]

I doubt they are going to revert the EAC thing, aside from wether its a good idea or not. Purely because according to there post they are in an actuel partnership and they cant just say "lol no thx" on that.

[unborn kelp]

CANCEL VRC+ DONT LOG IN FOR ONE TO TWO WEEKS! SHOW PLAYER DROP

[hexed notch]

That's a shame

[vocal shard]

I don't even know if I should mention the "Avatar Hider" mod. Such a blessing for those of us that go to community parties with big lobbies with bad pc specs.

[atomic barn]

the blog post does not say that at all it says the opposite

[royal light]

And there is the copypasta lmao

[umbral reef]

I take it last time to checked up on EAC was 2017? As it has improved a lot the last few years to the point most people dont even recall it being in games they played

[worthy helm]

Man yall client users are really outing yourselves huh

[north spade]

Mhm 🥲

[midnight lichen]

I'll see y'all in Moonbase Alpha :D

[onyx parcel]

oh now we go to compare potatoes with apples - go on

[vital urchin]

Actually I recently checked it on a few games

[fluid hull]

It's great, since most have not even read the full details the posted on this update

[honest valley]

welp, the people from G1 are coming here

[ebon vine]

ok fair partnerd prop bad word but fairly certain you still pay for EAC

[proper adder]

As you may have noticed, VRChat has released an open beta that includes Easy Anti-Cheat, which prevents use of mods.
Playing cat-and-mouse game with anti-cheat developers is not something that could be won by a modding community as big and open as ours, so if this open beta makes it to release as-is, this would mean the end of wholesome modding.

Now is your chance to tell VRChat that this is a dumb change. It does not solve ripping or crasher avatars. It probably won't stop malicious mods, as they're way smaller and can evade anti-cheat easier. Nor do they open source their code, meaning you never really know what you are running, and risk getting your account stolen, or worse.
However, it prevents you from having unlimited avatar favorites. It prevents you from using anti-crash mods. It prevents you from using all other mod features you've come to enjoy. It prevents you from using safe, open-source mods that never made anyone's experience worse.

So, we recommend that you cancel your VRC+ if you have it, and do not launch VRChat for at least a week to produce a visible player count drop. Encourage your friends to do the same, even if they don't use mods themselves. Anti-community measures like these from a greedy corporation should be protested as loudly as possible. You can take the time off VRChat to explore alternative platforms - Neos provides a different experience, and ChilloutVR aims to be similar to what you know (you can even auto-convert some of your avatars!). Or you can choose to experience other VR and flatscreen games together with friends you've made in VRChat.

This is not really a "security update". It much more of a "we're too afraid of people doing our job better than us" update.

You can upvote a Canny post here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves

Sincerely, VRCMG Team.

[red peak]

disabled people need the disabled mod wtf vr chat big L vr chat for the disabled people

[atomic barn]

its free plz do research

[worthy helm]

oh hey LMAO, this is honestly so amusing. Also cmon now, we are talking vrc players here, if theirs one thing they hate it's reading.

[buoyant vigil]

🤨

[umbral reef]

So games like Apex, DbD, Squad, Elden ring. hell let loose, Halo remastered and ect all run bad?...
As thats some major cap my dude

[onyx parcel]

true for a lot of those folks 😄

[alpine jewel]

no vrchat november lol

[vocal shard]

finally, the toxic modded client users are going away for 2 weeks, maybe they will stop hogging the dance floor

[lament lodge]

I'm wondering if vrc is opening themselves up to an ADA suit actually. Websites have to be ADA compliant and MIT had to settle a suit because their videos library wasn't ADA compliant

[vocal shard]

im just watching the REEE and half the arguments are addressed by the post

[round pollen]

if i wasn't quest-locked due to a shitty PC, i probably would have checked out the other platforms like Neos and chillout.

[ebon vine]

"Easy Anti-Cheat is available for free through Epic Online Services on all PC platforms"
Unless you can find something that indicated that thats the case for everywhere please let me know

[rancid trellis]

I know the notes said it won't affect ovr advanced settings, but will it affect ovr space calibrator?

[echo stirrup]

not all, bypasses have already been made

[golden rose]

what is going on

[quaint gulch]

its chaotic in the general 1

[red peak]

What does that mean?

[unborn kelp]

I don’t think so?

[dawn gate]

the amount of copypasta spam going on is ridiculous - it's not gonna help their case.

[vital urchin]

Elden ring actually has a fair bit of hackers that even I encountered what are you on my man.

[atomic barn]

https://www.pcgamer.com/epic-has-made-easy-anti-cheat-free-for-game-developers/

[alpine jewel]

i wish

[fluid hull]

Exactly haha, people are scared to lose certain features their mods offer, but vrchat has addressed this in their post they are working to add those to the base game

[vocal shard]

nope

[burnt crescent]

I for one most enjoy this measured and introspective discourse * tips hat *

[winged cargo]

theyve been saying that for 5 years and so far theyve added character dynamics

[ebon vine]

fair enough then

unrelated note these copy pasta's are getting really annoying

[pastel agate]

With EAC enabled My Steam Deck won't be able to Run VRC either :( Rip Handheld Gamers

[onyx parcel]

" as they're way smaller and can evade anti-cheat easier " you clearly have no clue of programming

[umbral reef]

Oh EAC aint gonna stop all cheaters at all.
No anti cheat really does that anymore with tools that happened the past 2 years.

As for elden ring, it allowing a version of offline boot without EAC but without online made it stupidly easy to cheat on there.
So it was just a halfassed anti cheat there

[vital urchin]

This copy pasta is giving my eyes a burning

[ashen wadi]

they've already confirmed VRC still runs on steamdeck fine with EAC. ffs people can't take 30 seconds to read the actual post

[scenic ruin]

I cant wait for all of the malicious mods to make an EAC Bypass

[lament lodge]

ADA is the Americans with disabilities act. Websites and such are covered under it in that they have to be designed to be compliant with disability software. A number of colleges have come under fire because their video library is not ADA compliant by having no captions they discriminate against deaf folk. This is one of the reasons why YouTube has auto captions

[obsidian solar]

I am deleting my VRC+ subscription, your protection is useless! I am disgusted ! It's a shame !

[small jay]

https://tenor.com/view/pognt-soldier-tf2-gif-19578522

[winged cargo]

this chat is giving me a seizure with all the spam and deletes

[frigid drift]

less hooks into the game mean less hooks to get past EAC

[vocal shard]

fr

[vocal shard]

yepp which is why i think in the long run this is good, cause they'll add the features back but while its their own code and they can close any security holes before release or improve the security on them with time instead of having a 3rd party code interfering that they cant predict or interact with or fix

[brisk herald]

FUCK YOU VRChat!! You're going to kill a MASSIVE amount of content wit this. Just because others are better at your job than you, doesn't mean you should shut them out in this manner.

[hasty kettle]

There are a few issues. Soem of those mods were security mods, others were performance mods. Some for mods for disabled people.

My only issue is the timing of which things are being rolled out. The update isnt bad in theory, i just belive the execution is done poorly. I wish the devs would talk to mod creators as they have done in the past, and work with their open source code in github and the mod creators to make new updates to vrchat

This would be an execelent way to combine the communities and make better updates to vrchat

[flint silo]

real talk were you guys actually paying for VRC+?

[unborn kelp]

literally!!!!!

[plush cove]

This copypasta is shit lmao, The TOS says that you cant use mods yet people want to. I hardly believe people actually read the full update so im just gonna be here saying get the fuck out of vrc if you dont like the TOS 🥰😘🥰

[tired zinc]

well its obv they do that. bcs the VRC team is about to kill VRC once and for all... lol

[golden rose]

cope!

[onyx parcel]

then you would know that smaller filesize =/= bigger evading the big guy in front of the door /SMH

[umbral reef]

Good thing that there are options for deaf or hard hearing people for VRC that do not include modding the game 🙂
Use the discord search to check Tuppers msg here, he linked some good options you can use and share.

[red peak]

Ohh ok thank you for this information

[lament lodge]

One could start an argument that by removing functions the disability community relied on to use the software effectively they are being discriminatory

[vocal shard]

Praying for the moderators sanity after that tweet. I would not wanna see what DM's is happening 💀

[winged cargo]

VRChat got Amber Heard'ed

[slim tapir]

Wtf XD

[pastel agate]

Hold that thought

[umbral goblet]

how will eac affect performance?

[ebon vine]

oh god I dont even want to imagine what tuppers DM's look like rn

[tired zinc]

nope not anymore. not worth it, if VRC goes full force against the community :D
and i joined vrc REARLY 2018 so im pretty much able to say EAC is a dumb idea

[plush cove]

This copypasta is shit lmao, The TOS says that you cant use mods yet people want to. I hardly believe people actually read the full update so im just gonna be here saying get the fuck out of vrc if you dont like the TOS 🥰😘🥰

[magic trail]

fr

[obsidian solar]

I am deleting my VRC+ subscription, your protection is useless! I am disgusted ! It's a shame !

[astral viper]

Make a game
Make it great
And break it

[onyx parcel]

1-3% ~ ? 😂

[stoic lance]

The devs rn:

[vocal shard]

uh oh i hadnt thought of that, poor tupper

[vital urchin]

Most of the games I play with it must be half assed then I suppose, I’m not to big on using clients but vrc still hasn’t given us a public avatar search option after years of asking and doesn’t seem to want to. As well as the disability mods for disabled people those are extremely helpful. VrcDevs should listen to what the community wants before cutting off all mods if they are making no effort to implement the things the community asks for.

[vocal shard]

The modded client developers did an amazing job opening vulnerabilities and stealing client information, also putting malicious mods up for download too.

[elder depot]

[vocal shard]

Dont want to ping the mods but please be safe.

[hasty kettle]

Client devs yes, but not the modded community. These are two VERY different groups

[golden rose]

cope lmao go outside

[plush cove]

This copypasta is shit lmao, The TOS says that you cant use mods yet people want to. I hardly believe people actually read the full update so im just gonna be here saying get the fuck out of vrc if you dont like the TOS 🥰😘🥰

[vital urchin]

Bro Fr y’all need to chill with the spam

[magic trail]

you fucks are soft

[vocal shard]

i wonder who makes malicious mods that crash people, hmmm

[barren bluff]

I like how prevents anti crash mods when the mods are what people use to crash others.

[onyx smelt]

nah it needs to increase. I wanna see this shit burn.

[lament lodge]

I would need a link I didn't see anything pinned in here or Gen 1 and your out of your mind if you think I'm going to try and find a message from Tupper in here. More of a curiosity thing then anything since I thankfully don't need them

[ashen wadi]

gonna buy VRC plus and gift it to all these people whining

[umbral goblet]

seems like its slowing
maybe bans

[blazing nacelle]

The malicious client makers will make bypasses in a week and crashing avatars will be even better now... this is very good for trolls

[umbral reef]

There team only recently scaled up to be called a proper Dev team. Its hard to scale up and get things going again, its why most updated got delayed earlier.
Also there are a lot of alternatives for disablity mods that just dont mod the VRC files... Most where not popular because the way to do so is still relatively new.

[lucid hornet]

tiananmen square

[vocal shard]

I dont think its slowing homie lol

[solid niche]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6dMW4183qISfHJwHOU27nc?si=03920c1af93d403f

[vocal shard]

you should look at the mods actively supported by the modded client developers :)

[rugged agate]

The problem is that this doesn't seem like it'll solve anything. Think about it.

• Mods are banned so people can't resize their avatar, okay fine. They'll just change to a large avatar and take up just as much room as before.
• Hackers have already bypassed EAC, so it's not really stopping them. Malicious users are just going to have an easier time targeting people.
• This doesn't address avatar crashers at all.
• People can't use defensive mods to protect against malicious shaders, IKs, or Udon exploits now, so crash rates will probably rise.

Things it might address? It'll stop most people using harmless mods to make the game comfortable for themselves. This is going to have a major negative impact on anyone who's neurodivergent.

[full sail]

sips tea so what's all everyone's favorite flavor of pie?

[red peak]

some people need it for disabilties and epilepsy protection

[hasty kettle]

Not the same people. Sorry. I know this from expirence, was on the bad end of harsh client users. I am well aware of the difference. Its why i am saying the update isnt bad in theory, just bad in timing

[brisk herald]

Because content created to fix VRChats issues and limits will be blocked.

[golden rose]

lol just stop playing the game you clown lawl also i am awesome and cool

[raw plaza]

its pointless to argue with "all mods are bad" people, you cant argue logic with people that lack critical thinking

[valid owl]

Agreed

[tired zinc]

well its the VRC staff members, sadly they stoped doing anything good for the community except PhysBones

[rancid jewel]

oh come on not eve general 2 is safe!

[onyx parcel]

strawberry cheesecake

[regal forge]

boycott vrc! for 1 week after the roll out do not go onto the platform, cancel your vrc+ too.

[pastel agate]

Okay it'll work for steamdeck still

[vocal shard]

Who told this mf yeah this is a good idea🤨

[cyan loom]

VRC Devs, look at what is happening. You think this is for the greater good but you are losing your revenue, you are trending for the wrong reasons on twitter. Even your nitro is going. Delay this patch, talk to your community, get the pulse of what is truly wanted, and truly NEEDED. Please, don't just delete legitimate reasoning

[frank pasture]

Ik I barley got out msgs were moving so fast

[lament lodge]

I am thankfully more disappointed than anything watching this space collapse into a more sanitized mainstream view and in doing so have the memories from here corrupted somewhat. I started touching grass more months ago thankfully

[wide dust]

Let the people be heard

[calm whale]

inb4 chat gets locked

[severe sequoia]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/eac-in-a-social-vr-game-creates-more-problems-than-it-solves please

[unreal verge]

I honestly don't like this update

[torpid obsidian]

This is what they wanna be trending on Twitter for then so be it

[upbeat dew]

I'm going get a lot of flack for this, even though I can't get the open-beta to work, I just wanna say that the EAC splash is really pretty. :>

[naive vector]

i love FOSS! (free and open-source software)

[vocal shard]

1. cool

2. yes, but it makes it harder. Valve does a shitty job at it doesn't mean hackers will have free reign in places that actually invest into it.

3. It can.

4. Defensive mods are mostly cope, they don't really prevent anything.

[rancid jewel]

they very much so are being heard in #vrchat-general-1 , have you seen the place

[vital urchin]

Then those should be brought to light more now that the mods are being yeeted to the void. Hopefully the devs will do some actual updates to add to what the community wants tho. I had a mod to keep all worlds at dim lighting just because I’m light sensitive but I guess I’m just gonna stick to my own world now until I get a better alternative for that.

[edgy ice]

There is so much going on

[golden rose]

lol you all need to go outside

[placid karma]

RIP VR Chat

[onyx parcel]

based 😂 👍

[honest valley]

which one?

[rich skiff]

I'm not going to post the copypasta like everyone else, but as a Linux user that has various known issues, including video players still not working after they announced a fix all the way back in February, I'm cancelling my VRC+ over this decision. Adding EAC to a game that functions off the development made by its own community is absolutely tonedeaf.

[thin viper]

EAC can be bypassed with 1 program XD

[calm whale]

yes

[umbral reef]

They list a some damn neato stuff in the blog post they released for future updated of things mods did include.
Also it takes time for those allowed disablity things to spread around, give it a few days.

[wide dust]

Alot more than that has been said, but still the feedback we get is not what we wanted

[sullen quartz]

This is the most wholesome response

[lament lodge]

Ngl I can't help but wonder if vrchat has some rich buyer lined up who knows enough about video games to know "hackers bad" and demand anti cheat put in but not know anymore. Would explain why all the other blatant issues aren't addressed

[grim moon]

Man I love copypasta

[somber palm]

"All is fair in love & war"

But if I so much as smell an advertisement on this godforsaken platform...

[untold kite]

down with vrchat <3

[vocal shard]

Geez I thought general 1 was bad

[ashen wadi]

i doubt that, mod users are just the loudest. would be willing to bet that mod users don't break double digit % wise.

[onyx parcel]

you are one of those that should have their internet access taken away

[red peak]

you guys are saying all bad mods will come back
doesnt that go the same with the good ones?
you guys are only focusing on the bad side of it ngl

[honest valley]

fair enough

[obsidian solar]

https://tenor.com/view/lucifer-lucifer-netflix-netflix-lucifans-tomellis17-gif-14175764

[hasty kettle]

EAC is a kernal based anticheat with well known bypasses. Meaning malicious clients are most likely already adding them while non-malicious mods that actually have code to protect people again clients are gone.

[edgy ice]

LMAO

[idle wharf]

pff, they uwu'd it

[thin viper]

My friend is the one that uses it

[valid owl]

“Good thing i can use mods to support my disability”
vrchat dev taking the crutch away

[daring lodge]

Wow I can read this one

[blazing nacelle]

Truuuue

[buoyant willow]

"we dont allow fun" -Vrchat devs 2022

[frank pasture]

IKR same

[timid patrol]

This update will end up being the death of vr chat imo

[upper walrus]

Tell…

[grim moon]

Tasty tasty copypasta mmmmm

[hard needle]

this is totally me when i'm forced to install and run an anti cheat program with kernel level access to my pc

[golden rose]

maybe dont spend all day playing video games you fudd?

[lament lodge]

Less mods in Gen 2 probably

[vital urchin]

Yeah I should go give it a look and see if there is something for my light sensitivity. But yeah in a few days after this update those options should be more common since people will start looking for alternatives. Still think they should add a public avatar search option tho cause world hoping can clog the cache if you don’t remember to clean it out.

[onyx parcel]

😂 🤦

[vocal shard]

yeah, 6 fucking years ago

[timid patrol]

Yupp

[umbral reef]

World chache should clear after the 4th world if i recall right
Not too sure on that though and imo 4 is still like 2 too much

[hasty kettle]

Check the code dude. Plus, the bypass is still active, and can be seen now on every game that uses EAC. Dont believe me, go right ahead and look

[silk bear]

Vrchat ain't getting any benefits from this ,they're just making things worse for themselves

[edgy ice]

Jokes on u, I'm always ready for a rick roll

[tired zinc]

he is acutally right with it, it will kill VRC instandly. 1. EAC doesnt NOT work on quest so it'll be no quest users anymore
2. Mods prevent you from getting crashed.
3. Crashers and rippers get waaay more easy ways to crash and rip when EAC is there bcs there is nothing to prevent it anymore

[velvet totem]

The update might make it harder for people to prevent the toxic people from doing their crap. It might dwindle the player base if the devs don’t let normal people play the game safely

[onyx parcel]

you clearly are one of those who didnt read the blog and update post

[vocal shard]

Not chad bro :(

[vocal shard]

1. i dont see a problem with sizing an avi up? assuming you just mean avatar height, for any increasing file size cases you can hide their avatar
2. true but it makes it harder for random person to just pick up hacking or crashing by installing a mod that does it for them, it increases difficulty and effort to do it and weeds out the lazy crashers > ergo less hacking/crashing happening (it also prevents people ripping avatars using a mod provided to them by ripper websites that does it for them)
3. it does, read the post
4. again, read the post, they want to re-add what mods took care of so far into the official game, so chances are high if security is their main goal rn they'll add those things natively

also a personal note: im neurodivergent and fine with the game, this isnt a true statement for every ND person

[golden rose]

good go outside and improve your social skills

[vital urchin]

I don’t world hope much so I wouldn’t know to much, I’m still use to ye old days where my cache would rack up to 40gb cause I forgot to go in my files and clean it out. Don’t miss that load time tho.

[blazing nacelle]

Avatar crashers will be more rampant as a result of this update no doubt

[idle wharf]

dbd too

[tired zinc]

but they're a huge part of VRC
i did and im strickly against it. im a VRC veteran since i do play this game since begining 2018.

[valid owl]

Man, you go outside. Its hot out there.

[ashen wadi]

"vrc veteran" "2018" LOL

[vernal leaf]

for real 😂 😂

[vocal shard]

sure buddy, fortnite and valorant is the most plagued hacker game, that is why you lose so much

elden ring has barely functioning multiplayer, cope harder

Not chill bros

[plush cove]

Yall shut up please lmfao

[hasty kettle]

VRChat isnt gonna die from the update. There willbe some changes and some issues, be careful in public lobbies.

But in general, its gonna be like normal vrc.

but again, i would still suggest the devs to work with the non-malicious mod community

[golden rose]

no it isnt because i dont live in a third world country 😐

[tired zinc]

VRC came out mid 2017... and not a lot of early 2018 users are left xD
and before the rank switch i had the veteran rank. sorry buddy :D

[ashen wadi]

sup apois, i'm here for the chaos. also VRC came out in 2014. y'all babies.

[onyx parcel]

#gotouchgrasshonestly

[silk bear]

Bots are more powerful now since nobody has protection against it

[umbral reef]

Depending how far ago your talking odds are it just didnt clear untill you rebooted yes.
Same that avatars dont get cleared unless you leave the world (currently) if i recall right. So staying in a public for ages can cause some performance problems.
also i think this was more a unity problemthen a vrc fault

[signal thunder]

It was out way before 2018

[vital urchin]

2017 world loading days where it took me 5 hours to load into the hub. God I don’t miss that.

[idle wharf]

says the guy being rude to people

[vocal shard]

Who decided yeah ill just kill the game today?

[umbral goblet]

valorant doesnt even use vrc? uses riot vanguard

[vocal shard]

E

[vocal shard]

EAC lite

[golden rose]

who cares its the internet lol!

[tired zinc]

well yeha in 2018 it took for ever as well xD

[raw plaza]

i googled ncr, and its a bank?

[onyx parcel]

you still living in the 2000s , eh?

[signal thunder]

New conglomerate

[clever shale]

Here's simple facts:

• Most games that use EAC (or other anti-cheats) still have cheaters. For VRChat, this means that malicious mods will still exist and be used to annoy people in publics.
• Some of VRChat's problems (avatar ripping, crashing) have nothing to do with client mods. It's exceedingly easy to do both without mods. In fact, wholesome mods are used to prevent crashing and make ripping harder. All EAC does in this case is make people crash more due to lack of protections.
• The blog post once again shifts the blame to mods for account theft. At the same time, VRChat Team soft-endorses OSC software, "as long as you can build it from sources yourself". What do you know, the same applies to most wholesome mods - they're completely open-source and safe. This is a blatant two-faced lie to spin the narrative in your interests.

[mossy tapir]

🍋

[vital urchin]

Good times good times. I fell asleep waiting for the hub to load one day.

[plush cove]

Im developing cancer from this fucking discussion.

[terse brook]

tech gangsterrrr

[full sail]

In brighter news, it'll be easier to find a new hangout in game since the noisy ones are gonna quit for a week apparently~

[golden rose]

you were born in them also your mother is dead

[hasty kettle]

Yes actully, those games have statistically the highest ratio of hackers, but I dont play the games personally as they are not my fancy.

However, that does provide significant data. Instead of being consumed by hate and toxicity, calm down and talk about the pros and cons of the update respectfully. I am simply stating my opinion with some information to back it, no need to become hostile due to a lack of understanding of the opposite side

[idle wharf]

whether its in person, over phone, text, online social app...still people, still socializing...welcome to the age of the internet

[tired zinc]

yeah good old times, sadly VRC had to destroy a lot of good old worlds, like the old VRC home

[vocal shard]

This isn't a silly goofy move this is you're gonna kill the game :/ nice while it lasted tho!

[valid owl]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-gif-21667441

[signal thunder]

I love a goofy movie

[grim moon]

if true, doesn't surprise me in the slightest

[ashen wadi]

did you know they referenced in the new ducktales cartoon

[onyx parcel]

*Your Father , i thought you wanted to know your mistake there

and i was born way earlier 🙂

[plush cove]

Res please help me im developing cancer

[raw plaza]

u sayin it took like 2 hrs?

[winged cargo]

i wonder if tupper is sitting in his chair crying reading how much everyone hates him right now.

[vital urchin]

I stay private mostly, public I get harassed to much for stupid things also I hate listening to screaming children that have over taken public worlds.

[tired zinc]

it doesnt take long till a Anti-Cheat gets bypassed.
i mean look at CSGO, Fortnite or rainbow. there is a Anti cheat update.
5mins later its allready bypassed

[golden rose]

i do not care.

[vocal shard]

you never played CSGO

EAC makes the game unhackable

just a lot of people screaming because they lose games, ezpz

[hard needle]

yes i have heard talk about the EAC already having bypasses too from smaller modding communities with code that isn't open source and shit

[maiden carbon]

:<

[signal thunder]

Okay performs homie to homie cpr

[vale beacon]

Secure Instances... Ok fair enough, this is pretty reasonable. But EAC? Yeah... No.

[ashen wadi]

ah yes, VRChat, famous for having 11k players total

[timber widget]

This is hilarious, ive never seen a more violent virtual riot

[onyx parcel]

we are on the same boat then mate - pick a seat

[prisma obsidian]

Exactly, why are people attacking Tupper by literally doxxing him? He's not even a dev, only a community manager. Realistically, only thing that'll revert the update will be to upvote the posts on the forums that have actual well thought out arguments instead of just "uPdAtE bAd!1?!?!".

[rugged agate]

It'll stop casual crashers for a short while, yes, but they'll come right back. That's my issue. We're potentially giving kernel-level access to an anti-cheat that hasn't been shown to be very effective and the script kiddies will just download the EAC-patched version instead.

And I'm glad you're able to play the game but that doesn't mean others can so easily. I know many people who need voice falloff adjustments because they can't process speech when there's too much talking around around them. This only punishes them. People with disabilities are voicing their dislike already so that shouldn't be ignored just because you aren't impacted.

Also they have had many, many suggestions on their canny that just haven't been added. Updates are slow and tend to prioritize things that entice subscribers rather than make the game more available to users. They just don't have the resources to add the things that modders did in a timely fashion.

[tired zinc]

cap.
EAC is garbage, every EAC game has hackers like crazy lol

[vocal shard]

why is tupper being blamed for the whole update xD

[mint fable]

it has 5k upvotes, but yea, still not 25%

[upbeat dew]

The rest of the update is pretty damn good ngl.

[golden rose]

stop replying to me then preteen

[prisma plaza]

Gez, imagine starting a riot over a game

[hasty kettle]

I expected it to take a few days. but already?!?! That isnt good.

This is the biggest issue, as eac has already been bypassed

And @vocal shard EAC has kernal bypasses due to how it is a kernal based anticheat. Rule 1 of programming and cybersecurity: Nothing is unhackable.

[signal thunder]

I’m from America, that’s what we do here

[vocal shard]

that is mostly because vrchat's community are 11 year olds who love crashing public lobbies

[merry robin]

i literally don't have shit so i'm STILL gonna play vrc

[hard needle]

it's worth the trouble actually, I make a living off this game as a freelance artist so it's a pretty important matter to some

[plush cove]

Yall by talking yall giving me free content

[onyx parcel]

ladies first

[umbral reef]

CSGO doesnt even have EAC KEKW

[ashen wadi]

they do that in the UK too, have you ever seen soccer riots

[lament lodge]

He's the community manager he is unfortunately a paid punching bag and I do feel for him a bit but part of his job :s

[regal furnace]

arent we all technically ex monkeys?

[mint fable]

there's 65k people online in this server alone, so 5k people is over 7.5% of that

[vernal leaf]

based

[dawn current]

It wouldn't be a problem if it was really toxic mods, the problem is that their are mods for disable people , people who don't want to crash and such their also taking

[vocal shard]

Rec room looks nice rn

[golden rose]

eat my shit

[signal thunder]

Yeppp. This is increasing my immersion

[mossy tapir]

LOL

[noble dirge]

Popping in here from Gen-1 how's it going in here?

[vocal shard]

git gud and stop blaming hackers

your conciousness will now be uploaded to a black cat public quest instance as eternal punishment

[raw plaza]

if eac is such a good solution to mods, why do i still run into hackers on rust

[hard needle]

hell

[prisma obsidian]

VRC is implementing Easy Anti Cheat.

People are angry because allegedly it blocks certain mods which are needed to make content, also mods which are needed to stop crashers, meaning crashers/exploiters will now be everywhere and you can't stop them with mods designed exactly for the purpose of stopping them.

[honest valley]

pretty civil for the most part, how u doing?

[real dew]

are they gonna get rid of good mods??

[ashen wadi]

you don't need mods to create content

[hasty kettle]

Okay, let me explain.

You lack to understand the difference between Client users and Mod users

Client users = Crashers, bad people, harassment etc

Mod users = oh i have a mirror, ooo i have slighty better tracking, oo this helps my disability, etc

Mod users are not the issue, client users are. Before stating anything else, please be aware of this distinction

[wide dust]

You're going to see a spike in crasher activity. People can't properly defend themselves and Safety settings only do so much.

[vocal shard]

Oh vr roblox looks nice!

[onyx smelt]

Short while being 'a week' at best

[plucky egret]

They sure do make it easier and cooler though

[vestal delta]

I've seen that it blocks virtual machine usage , F in chat to the Linux crew

[vital urchin]

Ayo hit me with that oof and nom nom nom

[vale beacon]

Except it doesn't. Apex, Fortnite, Elden Ring as well as other games that use EAC still have hackers and cheaters. NOTHING is impossible to hack.

[eager wind]

idk. aren't crashers jsut the avatars themselves?

[vernal leaf]

thought it was about the people doe not the having a mirror wherever you want

[hard needle]

depending on what you do, you do need them, i have found a lot of use for them.

[silver ruin]

No it's beta. Not live yet.

[umbral reef]

Linux works though- Still whack VMS dont

[real dew]

oh no

[vocal shard]

you can't be crashed if you never leave the home world

checkm8 toxic modded client user

[split shard]

yeah but you forget people get the clients to stop the gang monkeys from crashing them

[lament lodge]

Hey now don't ruin the vrc teams narrative

[hot cipher]

Very much black and white thinking though, it's meant to reduce not stop, had to say that

[prisma obsidian]

I think Roblox is even worse all things considered. Their support is doo doo, exploiters are everywhere, and you have a 99.99% chance of getting your account stolen simply by joining a game. (It's an actual thing that happened recently, not even a joke lol)

[silk hollow]

Client modifications can cause issues, but honestly they seem so useful for QoL reasons that an outright ban just sounds like a bad idea