android-discussion

[heady sparrow]

It does matter

[stark garnet]

It really doesnt

There are ways to do it

[heady sparrow]

No it does

[stark garnet]

No it really doesnt

You must not know what you are talking about

[heady sparrow]

The version of android definitely matters considering a quest isnt a phone and a phone isnt a quest

[stark garnet]

Its all programming

There are ways to do it

Its companys making mobile games and not knowing how to optimize

[heady sparrow]

the entire game is user generated content

[stark garnet]

Its the game itself

[heady sparrow]

the entire game is user generated content

[stark garnet]

Users dont lock the game

[heady sparrow]

very poor isnt optimized

so you dont get very poor

[stark garnet]

It can be

Stay ignorant

[heady sparrow]

sure then it wouldnt be very poor

if very poor was optimized then it wouldnt be very poor

[stark garnet]

Its not the avatar

Its the game

[heady sparrow]

its very much the avatar

[stark garnet]

Its the game

I know its the game

[heady sparrow]

you sure can believe the entire problem is the game and not the user generated content that the uploader isnt optimizing at all

its definitely not like the performance ratings are telling you that its optimized or not

[stark garnet]

And you can keep being wrong

[heady sparrow]

you do know what the performance ratings are right?

[stark garnet]

Yes

[heady sparrow]

and you do know the entirety of vrchat is user generated content right?

which wouldnt that mean its up to the uploader to optimize it?

[stark garnet]

Yes but its not the users that are locking the content

Its the game

[heady sparrow]

the users themselves are the ones not optimizing their avatars when they go to upload

[stark garnet]

The game is

Aka its the games problem

[heady sparrow]

so you are telling me the game is forcing the uploader to not be able to go in and change things before uploading?

its not like the uploader has full control over what they do to the model

[stark garnet]

You arent making sense

Its not the avatars

Its the game

Im going to stop while im ahead

[heady sparrow]

you havent exactly been ahead

[stark garnet]

Because you arent understanding anything

[heady sparrow]

all you have done is repeated "its the game" without making an actual point towards it being the game

[stark garnet]

Good bye

[stark garnet]

I have made several

[heady sparrow]

the entire game is user generated content that the uploader has full control over how they optimize their own content

all they game actually did was set the performance ranks which you the uploader is responsible for following

all vrchat themselves can do it try to make the performance ranking more accurate

which is actively being done

[past topaz]

@stark garnet you know they're planning on axing very poor avatars on the quest platform too not just android

yeah the quest seems to run them fine for you but vrchat doesnt seem to want them on quest either

not really my decision though

if anything i'd allow very poor on android cause androids can be more powerful than a quest

but its not my decision, vrchat seems to want to get rid of very poor avatars on both quest and mobile

[past topaz]

oh yeah also Diven, this snippet is from VRChat's performance rank documentation

so technically crusader is half right, despite performance rank being a good guide most of the time

[heady sparrow]

in the current state it does its best

but it sure isnt just "its the game"

[past topaz]

yeah definitely

hence me saying he's half right

[heady sparrow]

also the axing very poor on quest thing isnt a guarantee

[past topaz]

huh

its kinda odd they blocked it on android though i will say that

if anything they could just remove it on phones that dont meet a minimum specification

and have high end phones be able to load very poor avatars

[heady sparrow]

the phones that dont meet minimum specification cant even run the game in the first place

[past topaz]

minimum specification isnt really the term i should be using

since its a seperate minimum from what the game needs to actually run to begin with

it would be closer to something like a recommended spec but even thats not a perfect term

[heady sparrow]

itd also mean a lot of extra work for vrchat to now need to differentiate between a low end and high end phone

[past topaz]

that is a fair point though

[heady sparrow]

the better case scenario was just removing very poor to begin with

since a phone isnt a device that was built to run games like vrchat

[past topaz]

actually that makes even more sense

especially since on a phone background apps are a worry

[heady sparrow]

if you have a 8gb ram phone you are looking at more of a 6gb to 7gb phone (being generous) for vrchat

as the entire rest of the phone is needing to run in the background

[past topaz]

its kind of odd how phones seem to react poorly to stuff running in the background much more than a pc

now that i think of it though a pc with 8gb ram would have the same problem

[heady sparrow]

sometimes a worse problem

[past topaz]

yeah because PC programs tend to take up more resources than a phone app

[heady sparrow]

also more programs open

[stark garnet]

Thats what im saying

[wet sorrel]

During the start of Alpha, only you could see and use your very poor avatar. Every very poor Quest, and PC only was in fallback. Then the following update, locked you to seeing fallback. Now the only way you can see your fallback is being in a very poor avatar when coming from another platform.

Imposters are locked away from being viewed for your avatar.

Talk to the devs who create the Android build to see if they will increase the perf limits

But I'm all for only being able to see wear and use only the very poor avatar I use if given a prompt.

[pearl mulch]

that's not happening anytime soon as they use the same rankings for an VR and non VR on Android

[naive bluff]

You are never gonna shut up about that anytime soon, huh?

[desert walrus]

can you dual wield items on mobile?

[lilac delta]

what do you mean? holding 2 items in 2 hands? if so? no

[languid wren]

But ngl the 1 hand holding one.. is a bit trashy.. it looks like roblox straight holding animation 💀💀

[languid wren]

💀😭

[lilac delta]

lool fair but it's been like this since the beginning soo it is what it is

[languid wren]

I wonder if they can add movable hands like recroom

Imagine adding griddy as emotes 💀💀.. or would it work-

[past topaz]

you could have any avatar do the griddy as long as you set up an animation and toggle for it in unity

but from what i recall you don’t have a pc to make avatars right

[wet sorrel]

I'm not giving up hope

Week 1 so called bug, means it's possible

[ruby girder]

why does every avatar i find on pc look like shit on quest 2 bro💀

[heady sparrow]

because different platform and the quest is the equivalent to a phone but without the phone parts

[ornate quest]

well its not that simple. a decent number of "creators" will do anything to make an avatar ported to quest/android without actually maintain quality. it's possible to keep 75-100% quality on a good amount of avatars. it's really only the super heavy avatars for quest that need very low textures and nearly everything taken off

[heady sparrow]

Yea but super simple answer is a quest is weaker than a pc and requires thinking more optimized and smaller and getting creative with more restrictions instead of just asset dumping like quite a few "good" pc avatars are

[solemn ibex]

I wanted to know that we will be able to use avatars on Android, any important updates?

[ornate onyx]

when will they add the expressions menu to the mobile. or did they alr add it and i'm a d0mmy

[past topaz]

hold down your menu button to access it

they already added it i think it was there since the start

[pearl mulch]

not going to change anytime soon as far as very poor Avatar is not being available on Android

[solemn ibex]

That sad:(

[trail apex]

Does anyone know of any good high capacity video players worlds most worlds I try to use lag and buffer when there are too many people?

[ornate onyx]

bruh how the heaven do i get kicked from an instance without the votin gthing

it gets f*ckign annoying. i was havin' fun with a friend with this darn soundboard

wait f [u] ck me. wrong cahnnel

[heady sparrow]

the instance owner or if its a group instance anyone that has the privileges can just kick you without a vote

which soundboarding yea I can see why

[ornate onyx]

okay thanks lol. but the owner of taht was VRchat itself. it was a Vrchat home isntance

[heady sparrow]

well no

world owner yes it is vrchat

instance owner no it isnt vrchat

whoever created the instance public or not would be the instance owner

[half spear]

VRchat stuck on phone also dyk what i have problems with

i will tell you guys what mobile is missing.

[heady sparrow]

mobile is literally quest but loses very poor avatars

[half spear]

1. Voice of your friends is unhearable while speaking.
2. Very Poor or Poor avatars literally making most of friends avatars unseeable.
3. Also there is no option for No Push To Talk.
4. Unable to ask for join invite to Private World.

Literally this is 4 things mobile version is missing

[heady sparrow]

very poor was removed completely
poor is hidden by default but can be shown

which yknow
find more optimized models

[half spear]

thx goodness

[unkempt nimbus]

but muh 8k textures on 40 mat slots and 500k polys on one piece of jewelery is absolutely neccesary for the fidelity bruh

[heady sparrow]

those are rookie numbers

[elder turret]

only avatars I see with unnecessarily detailed jewelery are those ugly ass TDA models

[heady sparrow]

isnt tda a type of mmd model

[unkempt nimbus]

which make up 80% of the people I see in publics excluding furries for some reason (I hide them out of spite)

[pearl mulch]

yes

[sacred peak]

Ngl im kinda upset that vrchat cant be downloaded on the galaxy s8

Figured 4 gigs of ram would be enough but nah. Im just left to sit here 😔

[proud granite]

hmmmmmmmmm

[sacred peak]

Still even if i did have vrc+ i cant download it

I searched up the comparability stuff and its a negative

[torpid drift]

it's hard to get a unity user generated content game to have low memory usage

if you did get it running through sideloading, I would doubt you could see more than 1-2 optimized avatars

[grizzled coral]

Huh, that is very outdated, anyone has been able to use the Android build for a while now.

[past topaz]

my furry avatar is optimized horribly but i’m not really sure what i can optimize on it given theres a ton of toggles that aren’t clothes and i’m unsure how to merge them into a single mesh renderer while not hammering other people with polys

i mean ive only got 100kish polys

total i mean but thats still a lot

but that’s a PC avatar, i would probably be better off asking in the optimization channel

the quest version is much more optimized (it’s actually only medium on quest/android) given i basically cut out the toggles

[half tapir]

You can just make a optimized version on pc as a alternative

My avatar on pc is very poor too but i made a version that is medium rank

[tight verge]

I just did the same thing. Polytool is a huge help with this.

[half tapir]

i didnt had much luck with that tool

[tight verge]

Yeah, it’s a pain to figure out and doesn’t optimize my avatar well for Quest, but the decimation feature helped a ton.

[frozen plank]

Does anyone know if upgrading (linking) a Google account is a thing yet?
Didn't find a button for getting a token in the app or launcher.

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062206551001137224/1228868608260571236/Screenshot_20240413_203954_VRChat.jpg?ex=662d9c13&is=661b2713&hm=7139aa406e07330c51dcff34b42668a5165b3abd9a4dc7f67354fecf2b805d2d& Anyoneone else getting avatars reporting having colliders when they dont for quest users?

PC and quest have 0 colliders, yet Phone has 4. It's gotta be a bug

[frozen plank]

By quest you do mean using it without a pc, right?

[hardy garden]

The issue shows up for android/phone users, but not for quest standalone or PC users.

Which is very odd as quest standalone and android should be the exact same. So bizzare. I figure it's a bug

[wintry geyser]

Took me way too long to find an avatar that wasn't VeryPoor

Specifically one I actually wanted to wear

[spring pebble]

Wait there is a android build for VRC???

[polar jasper]

I'm not sure if it's just an issue on my end, but I can't seem to get the Android version's play button to load fully until I've restarted my phone.

[pearl mulch]

yes

[spring pebble]

Where do I get it?

[pearl mulch]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrchat.mobile.playstore&hl=en_US&gl=US

[wintry geyser]

VeryPoor avatars on Android when

My phone can handle it

[heady sparrow]

Never

Very poor was removed from mobile

[half tapir]

*never was intended to exist

If vrchat could easily remove very poor from quest too they would do that too

[inner python]

is it normal that the rejoin button gives me a black screen after exiting the world...?

[little hollow]

When I open the app

It prompted the login button, which didn't work

So I cleared the catch and data, now I'm getting a config not found error

[naive bluff]

What device?

[little hollow]

S21 ultra

[little hollow]

Samsung

[unkempt nimbus]

without backlash
they can easily from a technical standpoint without even lifting a finger, it's just they're afraid of the backlash that'd result from it, hell that's probably the reason impostors are a thing, so that when they do finally push that button the backlash might not be as extreme.

[vale edge]

Except you can't wear a VP even if it has an imposter generated.

[wet sorrel]

I made that report thru canny because I was able to do so thru the wings. The imposters never sticked

But provide the feedback to the canny @wintry geyser

[naive bluff]

The problem with this... people either underestimate the actual power of their phones... or will sideload it, complain, and leave bad reviews.

Er, overestimate.

As in, they think their phone is more powerful than it actually is.

[hardy garden]

Yup

[unkempt nimbus]

wait, people seriously think a phone can compete with a RTX 4090, let alone a GTX 1050?

[naive bluff]

Dunning-Kruger effect. ;)

[hardy garden]

Them: "I want my calculator to run Cyberpunk, 8k, raytraced at 144hz!". Also them: "What do you mean you can't do that?".

[unkempt nimbus]

also nobody realizes most avatars are unoptimized even by PC standards, and then get really confused when I tell them I'm seeing their fallbacks/impostors despite there not being an android label under my name

[torpid drift]

Most modern phone processors within like the past 2 years are pretty decent importantly being better than an XR2 and they don't have to render 2 high quality resolution screens, and do camera based motion tracking. Though it's still best to keep very poor off the table for android

[half spear]

When will be allowed to have our mic always on option

cause push to talk is gonna get annoying and needing to hold it while yk

moving

is gonna get troublesome

[heady sparrow]

Im not a dev

[half spear]

ik but just sayin it will become annoyin

[wet sorrel]

@half spear I was able to have Always on when having plug in using a headphone jack. But now most phones don't have that option

But for week 1 only you could only see your own very avatar, every other very poor avatar was fallback.

[half spear]

yep i have headphones currently on

i do have lowpoly avatar which is seeable on phone

[wet sorrel]

The only way to see your fallback is by changing into a very poor avatar from another platform. This is the only way you can wear a very poor avatar for others not on phone to see.

Still doesn't make that you can still see the preview ok

[heady sparrow]

The preview is the fallback or imposter

[wet sorrel]

Going to Desktop first, then changing to very poor avatar I know is very poor on Quest

Preview still shows

[naive bluff]

Preview is just that: a preview. The whole thing isn't loaded into memory.

It's a 3D snapshot of what the avatar looks like.

[wet sorrel]

Diven mentioned that the preview was the fallback

[naive bluff]

Mmm.

[heady sparrow]

It would either be a fallback or imposter normally

Otherwise itd be the only the initialized portion of the model

[wet sorrel]

Actually you can no longer see your imposter

[wispy moon]

If the preview can load why can't it just load the preview as the avatar

[grizzled coral]

Might just be a recent change or bug, but I did note that the preview was the full Quest avatar. (excluding some animators probably)

And the reason why you cannot use it is because VRChat said so, the vast majority of phones are not meant to handle prolonged sessions of intensive anything, very poor avatars make already bad performance even worse and since they are basically uncapped in how bad they can be, it is sensible that they aren't allowed, VRChat would probably prefer if very poor wasn't on Quest as well.

[heady sparrow]

because the preview is literally just the model and whatever animation it has before initializing

[slow crest]

I'm getting this on my quest 2, does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?

[unkempt venture]

Nope

[naive bluff]

Scroll through #1138891887374237706

Also... this is for the Android build, not Quest.

[vale spruce]

F##K

[vapid hollow]

After months of trying to reach support about this issue, nothing has come of a 1 month sub and a yearly sub purchased via google play. 3 emails in 2 months all asking for a receipt which was included in the original support request ticket and included in the follow up responses... They really need a better support team.....

[wintry nimbus]

Is it me or is there some sort of memory leak happening every time the phone swaps from portrait to landscape and vice versa? Is there a way to lock the phone to landscape?

Also, is there a way to disable Direct Touch from selecting people? I tried playing VRWare (yes, I know it's unplayable eitherway) and when I was tapping chips, any time there was a player capsule in the way, it would get selected, and sometimes even throw the game into landscape mode. I know there's Reticle Aim, but that makes the game even more unplayable.

It would be nice to add: Big Settings > Controls > Don't Select Users In Direct Touch

[solemn ibex]

What day will Sherdes be released on VRC Mobile?

[pearl mulch]

custom shaders are never coming to avatars on mobile for performance reasons

[solemn ibex]

Sad

[ivory elm]

oh i wish i could broadcast messages for everyone to see because everyone should know this

[golden gulch]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/
"Minimum Displayed Performance Rank is set to Medium
you cannot set your Performance Rank Block level to "Very Poor""
I have a super powerful android phone so this should not be a hard cap, it should allow us to change the settings.

[golden gulch]

"Not interested in carrying that problem forward" I understand but its my problem really, and by default nobody's problem, only my problem if I want the problem 🤭
This is my opinion. Since we can't model worlds with in game tools yet, this is primarily an avatar show off game.
I hope this becomes a metaverse with said tools one day though.

[pearl mulch]

VRchat is unlikely to ever have in World editing tools because of the runtime cost of doing that

[lilac delta]

another day and a new guy complaining about not having very poor on mobile, tea anyone?

[heady sparrow]

I find it interesting when I see the occasional person complaing about not having avatar audio on quest like it was a feature to begin with

[wet sorrel]

You complained about imposters being gone. Still striving for only seeing very poor for only the user itsince it was shown week 1 in alpha

[vale edge]

people have their own opinions? The horror, how dare someone say anything that doesn't side with brand

[lilac delta]

yes i complained cause it's a low poly version of an avatar, meaning it's even lower on the cpu then medium avatars would, very poor in it's current state is not good, so i don't care about it. lastly don't bring up this old nonsense again. again i made peace and you should to, i am now learning blender to make my main avatar poor or even medium but let's just go for poor xD

[wet sorrel]

Maybe at least get 10mb to 15mb limit for avatars since worlds got 50mb to 100mb

[lilac delta]

oh yeah i remember, i forgot

[pearl mulch]

that's not likely to happen because of how Ram constrained the quest is considering they had to put in a how much RAM is it actually using stat

[native igloo]

also VRChat going to cut down avatar download size and RAM size by half this summer for PC.
(if they says cut more, sure it would happen, but nor increase as it is opposite to current move)

[wet sorrel]

That is for PC side

[native igloo]

but what there vision focus on is that.

[lilac delta]

i'm interested what this new focus mode is with the update from today

[elfin kiln]

Any worlds which are ready to test the new Focus View on Android?

[scenic heart]

yo, im trying to convert this avatar over to quest and im having some troubles

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1023779897090515085/1232902739386695721/image.png?ex=662b25a7&is=6629d427&hm=5940ef91679b6dcb515d85be0ef8e275f06d82eb8f51be77709ab36ee8a6218a&

idk wtf this means

tried deleting vrcquest tools to no avail

[fluid viper]

New to using Mobile version

Any way to adjust (reduce) the walking or running speed? (Joystick sensitivity)

[ivory elm]

very poor is a limitless cap. a very poor could have 20001 polygons or 800000, so its unreasonable to expect even some high power phone to handle it at usable fps

and even then, phones arent meant to be going past a few watts of power. vrchat needs tons of cpu power as is, and raising the avatar limits is going to directly increase the power usage. youll rip through battery life and battery health running it hot like that. thats why the quest has some fat fans to help it

one is a dedicated mobile VR headset designed for sustained high power workloads, and the other sends texts messages and watching youtube. huge difference in the workloads they are built for
"you can just not turn on avatars" doesn't work when everyone is using them with no fallback (^⁠～⁠^⁠;⁠)⁠ゞ when i walk into a public lobby, i usually only see 2 or 3 avatars of 15. everyone else is a stupid gray wolf or that axolotl girl

[hybrid tendon]

andd this is why i use

laptop only.

i do have it on phone. but i cant see my avatars so

[sudden thorn]

you'd just have to upload a quest/android version of the avi to see it on phone

[fallen parcel]

That's why I love Impostors, at least they give you an idea how an avatar is supposed to look like instead of being surrounded by Fallbacks. Waiting for the day they'll get generated automatically. The Android experience will benefit so much from this.

[wet sorrel]

I prefer custom fallbacks

At least people can still have visemes and avatar dynamics

[ivory elm]

impostors arent a replacement for optimization, still do try your best to use medium ranked avatars and not use obscenely unoptimized very poors i beg,,

[heady sparrow]

I only ever use imposters for avatars that literally cant be quest compatible

[half tapir]

I use impostors for everything. On Quest/mobile my avatars are poor rated so they aren't automatically shown to most users.

On pc it depends if i use my very poor or medium version. But then very poor is not hidden by default

[cyan coyote]

What's the best world for optimized avatars?

[short willow]

Why my game not have any sound?

[coarse willow]

you might need to reinstall the game

[wind dock]

does the vrc app not work on emulators anymore? mine just crashes everytime i open it

[hasty light]

Is there really a vrc app?

Can someone send me a link

[half tapir]

It's in channel description

[hasty light]

How do I go there from mobile?

[half tapir]

click on channel name

[wintry geyser]

Welp, I was in an instance, someone was talking to me but for some reason the audio cut out so I couldn't tell what they were saying

I was kicked soon after

Not sure what happened or what I did

[gaunt palm]

Same issue three times last night, happened twice due to me having YouTube in a PIP window

once just by playing, S23

(there was a video player playing in each world each time these happened)

[versed pelican]

wait

[charred yoke]

how do i fix this issue?

"can't display this avatar due to its performance rating"

[naive bluff]

Very Poor is blocked on mobile.

[charred yoke]

is there a way to bypass this or will it be a feature in the future?

[naive bluff]

Nope. This is put in place on purpose to mitigate crashing.

You either have to use Poor or better if you want to use mobile.

[charred yoke]

ill find a way

[naive bluff]

There's a really easy way to bypass it: use a Poor or better avatar.

[charred yoke]

no i want that avatar in specific

if it doesn't crash my quest 2 then it shouldn't crash my samsung tablet

[naive bluff]

[hardy garden]

GL with that. It's intended to be that way by VRChat themselves. Getting around that would present it's own problems.

[charred yoke]

im aware, if it doesn't work, then ill just re-install the app or something

[naive bluff]

What will reinstalling do? 👀

[charred yoke]

reset all app changes if i where to mess something up

then try again i guess

[hardy garden]

I think their saying if the app stops working because of their attempts to allow the avatar to work messes up their build. They don't understand I'm not talking about that. Talking about getting banned

[charred yoke]

banned?

ohh the anticheat

[hardy garden]

Yes, modifiying anything on the game itself is against TOS

[charred yoke]

thats exploits, i just want to use my avatar ;-;

[hardy garden]

The only way you can achieve such a goal would be doing something that would violate TOS. Again, they want it this way.

[naive bluff]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#android-limits

[heady sparrow]

Pretty sure a samsung tablet isnt a vr headset

[charred yoke]

but it is more powerful than one, and isn't slowed down by two screens

[heady sparrow]

Well no

[charred yoke]

guess ill have to wait

[naive bluff]

What model of tablet do you have?

[hardy garden]

A purpose built headset with two screens can still be more performant than a single screen tablet. Just depends on the exact hardware.

[charred yoke]

oh

[heady sparrow]

Just ignoring the devices for a second
The android builds of both devices are entirely different

One is built entirely for gaming in vr

The tablet was not built specifically for this

[charred yoke]

and since wanting my avatar is "bannable" guess i just wont use android version all together

[heady sparrow]

Just use a poor or better avatar

[charred yoke]

they don't have it in that

[heady sparrow]

Then use a different avatar

[charred yoke]

no

im just not gonna use mobile

[heady sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

[naive bluff]

That's... fine?

No one is forcing you to use it.

[charred yoke]

devs should at least add a hidden "test mode" or whatever in the game that these options but have them enable-able but with a warning saying something like "enabling this can possibly impact gameplay or crash the game"

[naive bluff]

No one's "going against you", we're trying to tell you that Very Poor avatars are blocked permanently on mobile and there's nothing you can do.

[heady sparrow]

Its blocked for a reason

[charred yoke]

and i know some android devices out there can run games like this with ease

[heady sparrow]

And if that was a thing then people would just flock to that then start crashing then complain here or on canny about "sudden crashes"

[charred yoke]

so, add it like this, so they can't complain if the game warned them

[heady sparrow]

They are still going to just ignore it then go off complaining wasting time

[charred yoke]

well i guess that's their problem

[hardy garden]

They already do this in Quest. So many quest users click 'Show avatar' for everyone they meet, then they complain the game runs slow/crashes. It's just better to not allow it in the first place as educating the players is quite hard.

[naive bluff]

You fail to understand people's propensity to both read disclaimers or know how powerful their actual device is...

[heady sparrow]

Pretty sure none of the samsung tablets are actually beefy enough to game properly

[charred yoke]

so add enable all as a hidden option

[heady sparrow]

Since they are work tablets

[charred yoke]

like this

[heady sparrow]

Did you even read

[charred yoke]

but mine can run max graphics at 45 fps

[hardy garden]

They already did, yet players tell other players about it without educating them on why they shouldn't, leading to the issue I stated.

[charred yoke]

then the game must not be warning them enough

[hardy garden]

45 fps isn't the target of 72. Your game is already lagging

[charred yoke]

no im illerate

[charred yoke]

im ok with gaming on 30 fps

[heady sparrow]

Thats still not the target fps

[charred yoke]

ok

[hybrid tendon]

🦒

[hardy garden]

You are, but that isn't the intended experience. Target fps is an important factor to consider.

[naive bluff]

Who's on the mobile team again? Squid is, right?

[charred yoke]

i think i have a solution to the nonsense

[heady sparrow]

The solution was already made

[charred yoke]

but that kills 80% of the avatars for mobile

i have a actual one tho

[heady sparrow]

Just make the avatars more optimized then

[charred yoke]

im not a avatar developer, nor do i have the rights to modify the avatar in question

[heady sparrow]

Too bad then

[charred yoke]

im say my solution anyway

let people with powerful enough mobile device be able to see very poor optimization avatars, a example device would be the redmagic 9, the game would check the hardware (cpu, gpu, ram, things like that) and the game determines if your device can use very poor avatars or not

[naive bluff]

PFFFFF. Like the average Joe can afford a gaming phone like that.

[heady sparrow]

You greatly overestimate android itself

[charred yoke]

android is just a version linux

same with oculus os

[heady sparrow]

The build on each quest is its own version of android built specifically for vr

[heady sparrow]

This wouldnt solve your issue

You dont have a powerful device

[charred yoke]

you know pc users usually spend more, right?

[naive bluff]

Strawman argument.

[heady sparrow]

And now they have pcvr
Point being?

And now they have a pc that can run pretty much every game

[hardy garden]

Mobile hardware is still not that great. Even the best still has issues running programs like VRC. Making a game with specific hardware in mind WILL mean limiting how much fancy things you add to that game, or suffering the consequences of lag/crashes. Nobody can cheat the laws of physics

[heady sparrow]

Also just ignoring the fact that most people just completely ignore the fact that you should be thinking like a game dev when making stuff for the game instead of just a 3d artist

Also ignoring that people neglect the quest/android side of vrchat when making avatars and just aiming for the bare minimum of being able to upload

[charred yoke]

bruh so yall are saying mobile phones can't show something with a high polycount, meanwhile (for example) mobile games with something such as vehicles have a higher poly count than avatars and run just fine, crazy isn't it?

this chat is crazy

im actually leaving

[heady sparrow]

You really dont understand the games you are playing then

Those vehicles have a fairly low polycount

[hardy garden]

You're thinking that Mobile games have the same fidelity of high end PC games. You sir, have some thinking to do.

[heady sparrow]

And its not just polycount

You need to take everything into account

Materials, textures, rendering style such as transparency, particles

Etc

[hardy garden]

Cake and eat it too moment. Can't have everything for the price of nothing. Gotta learn that or you will forever be upset at the world.

[heady sparrow]

Actually take the time to learn what goes into making content for games

[heady sparrow]

Also ignoring the fact that even with this device its limited heavily by the fact its running android and using mobile hardware

[hexed iris]

Sheesh, just seeing people embarrassing themselves for not being able to use Very Poor avatars on mobile and advocating to having them enabled for 'high end devices. Either people legit optimize or use the imposter system. Like, come on, there's solutions to those problems, even if they're not perfect.

[charred yoke]

imposter system? explain

also i lack shame

[pearl mulch]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-impostors/

[hexed iris]

Imposter system is just something that avatar users (who are either too lazy to optimize or cannot optimize for various reasons) can use to turn their Very Poor ranked avatar into sprite parts. It looks kinda janky, but it gets the work done on having them appear on mobile.

[charred yoke]

so they make avatars quality look like something from a early 2000s game?

like a low poly version of the avatar shown?

[heady sparrow]

Think closer to nintendo 64

[charred yoke]

good enough

[pearl mulch]

but definitely better than getting the fall back banana

[charred yoke]

why don't they have this feature enabled by default for every avatar for every low end device?

such a good fix

[heady sparrow]

Because you need to generate one for each avatar

It cant just be autogenerated

[charred yoke]

oh

[heady sparrow]

Because after updating the avatar it needs to be deleted then generated again

[pearl mulch]

because they wanted to make sure it was working correctly before they had it auto-generate on the back catalogue of avatars

[hexed iris]

However, it does say in the documentation that every avatar would have the imposter be auto generated someday, so it's manual for now.

Or at least some avatars

[charred yoke]

my idea was just to automatically optimize an avatar like LOD but instead of it being affected by distance its determined by device, this can make some avatars look funny but itd still should work, like old ps2 game detail

[heady sparrow]

Also the fact that when it first was released there was so many avatars generated that you were put on a waitlist before you can even generate

Telling you to try again later in one form or another

[charred yoke]

im gonna save this, it might help vr and mobile users

[heady sparrow]

Thats not how that works

Lod models in most cases arent auto generated

[charred yoke]

make it work then?

[heady sparrow]

ya dont say

[charred yoke]

we have the power of ai nowadays

[heady sparrow]

Instead of speaking in buzzwords how about instead actually do it

[pearl mulch]

AI is completely useless with 3D models

[half tapir]

Lots of messages here

[charred yoke]

lots of nonsense here

from me mainly

[pearl mulch]

and wouldn't really change the whole oh dear you do it to auto-generate it processes a million avatars and it breaks like half of them

like during the initial open Beta of imposters it was decapitating half of the avatars

[heady sparrow]

Lod models are manually created as a more optimized version of said model

[half tapir]

Murder

[heady sparrow]

I dont see them ever making it automatic just for the sheer reason of how many times itd need to generate

[charred yoke]

man.. im gonna have to annoy (politely ask) every creator of the avatars i like to optimise them for vr and mobile users ;-;

or at least a optimised copy

[heady sparrow]

Or yknow make it yourself

Just make avatars yourself

[charred yoke]

but thatd be effort and applications thatd cost money

and i don't feel like doing that

[pearl mulch]

a bit of a problem is most mobile users are physically incapable of uploading avatars due to lacking a computer

[heady sparrow]

You can make avatars entirely for free

Blender is free
Unity is free

[charred yoke]

this

it costs money

and skill

[pearl mulch]

like there's lots of folks that are on Android who only have Chromebooks

[heady sparrow]

You can also just use different avatars

You arent required to use that specific avatar

[charred yoke]

thats basically like telling me to live outside because i lost the keys to my house

[heady sparrow]

No?

Thats a very far reach

[charred yoke]

anyway, do these "imposters" work for people that want to use a very poor avatar on low end mobile device? or is it just to see other's avatars

[heady sparrow]

Only acts as a different kind of fallback for other people

[charred yoke]

well i guess its time to implement something like this

or have it work on your own avatar somehow

[heady sparrow]

You cant just implement "lod avatars"

[pearl mulch]

from what I can tell the intent wouldn't be having The Imposter render on your own screen for yourself?

so no it probably wouldn't help you wear a very very poor Avatar if you can only play on mobile

[heady sparrow]

Its not built to do this to begin with

[charred yoke]

devs gotta find a way to make highpoly avatars low poly automatically some time in the future, yall acting like tech is at its peak and can't get better, when in reality, we probably aren't even half way our limits in technology

ai already could probably generate 3d models

it definitely can make textures for meshes (not perfect ones but good enough)

[charred yoke]

in the probably near future we probably be able to use ai to do this automatically live during game play, nvidia uses something like this to optimize games, however it isn't exactly friendly to low end devices yet

[pearl mulch]

it generates triangle blob soup at the moment which is completely unusable for character models

[heady sparrow]

you cant just make a high poly avatar suddenly low poly

which again

its not just polycount

[pearl mulch]

and like a video game Avatar has a lot more technical requirements for being functional compared to a rock

[charred yoke]

so we give ai more time to develop

[heady sparrow]

you cant just go "use ai" thats not how that works

[pearl mulch]

what would you even use as a training set for that

like how do you quantify good topology into something that can be turned into numbers

[charred yoke]

stop being nerds about this, im speak of this as i am an idiot to this topic

[pearl mulch]

the nerdy details are important as far as the feasibility of if your idea is even physically possible

[heady sparrow]

which it isnt actually possible

[charred yoke]

software ain't physical

[pearl mulch]

it runs on physical Hardware

[charred yoke]

we will just have to wait for smart people to "make it work"

[pearl mulch]

and like your storage space that the software lives on is using physical properties to operate

[heady sparrow]

this entire conversation is like trying to argue to a 5 year old that their hoverboard idea wont work

[heady sparrow]

you cant just "make it work"

[charred yoke]

in software, with much time, a person or team probably can

[heady sparrow]

thats not how that works in the slightest

[charred yoke]

make it work

[heady sparrow]

thats not how that works

[pearl mulch]

like the richest companies in the world haven't made this kind of thing happen what chance does vrchat have at the fraction of the dev team and budget of like epic games

[charred yoke]

your sources?

[heady sparrow]

the hell is your sources for "make it work"

you cant just go "use ai"

thats not how any of that works

[charred yoke]

yes i can

[heady sparrow]

if you took 5 minutes to actually look into how you make 3d models you would immediately see why it wouldnt work

[charred yoke]

no

[pearl mulch]

also it costs a ridiculous amount of money to train a AI VR chat doesn't have the budget for that

[charred yoke]

no, they don't have to

we wait for big ai companies to develop enough to the point it can

which can take years

[pearl mulch]

Even if you take that approach that does nothing useful for you now

[heady sparrow]

do you even know what an ai is

[charred yoke]

automated intelligence

[heady sparrow]

wrong first of all

[charred yoke]

ok

[heady sparrow]

second of all

[charred yoke]

ok

[heady sparrow]

you cant just go "big company" because even if they made an ai it isnt going to just magically work with vrchat avatars

[charred yoke]

it not for vrchat in specific

but we then can tune the ai once its able to do things with 3d models

[heady sparrow]

thats not how ai works

[charred yoke]

code*

[keen current]

Good evening everyone

[charred yoke]

hi

[heady sparrow]

not how that works

[charred yoke]

do you know who your talking to?

[keen current]

How's everyone's day going so far?

[charred yoke]

an idiot aka me

[pearl mulch]

someone who clearly doesn't know anything about 3D modeling

[heady sparrow]

most likely some dumbass roblox child

[charred yoke]

interesting so far

[keen current]

That's good

I'm camping rn

[charred yoke]

now i never said to bully a person that doesn't understand this stuff

[charred yoke]

alright

[keen current]

So do you know anyone that will make avatars for free or nah

[heady sparrow]

go to vrctraders and stick it in the requests channel

[charred yoke]

good luck, most avatar creators work for money

[keen current]

K

Dang

[charred yoke]

however you can find free ones in worlds

[keen current]

I know

[charred yoke]

perhaps ask around

[keen current]

I just need a personal avatar

[charred yoke]

you might find what your looking for

ah i see

[keen current]

Like my pfp

[charred yoke]

unfortunately personal avatars are usually paid

[keen current]

Ah ok

[heady sparrow]

do not ask around in this server
for one its against the rules
secondly all you will get is scammers trying to scam you out of either your account or your money

[keen current]

Ok ok

[charred yoke]

diven, chill

[keen current]

Sorry jeez

[heady sparrow]

Im literally just saying what to actually do

[charred yoke]

what rule would it even fall under

[heady sparrow]

soliciting

and then if you were to try and do it in avatar search

directly states not to

[charred yoke]

thats for a channel not a rule in the server itself

[heady sparrow]

the rule itself falls under no advertising (soliciting in this case)

[charred yoke]

not really

[heady sparrow]

no it does

[charred yoke]

not really

[heady sparrow]

no it actually literally does fall under it

[charred yoke]

not really

yea i know

[pearl mulch]

that would not be difficult to take a human Avatar and take off the head and put on a coffee cup as your first project

[charred yoke]

judging by the fact they gone here they probably don't got a pc

[pearl mulch]

then no cuphead for them

[half tapir]

Not really true

I updated my avatars a dozen times but never updated the impostor

Also autogeneration is planned

[heady sparrow]

to have it keep up with the latest version of the avatar itd need to be regenerated

[half tapir]

Yeah depends in this case

For me nothing ever made the impostor inacurrate

[half tapir]

I also try to avoid deleting it since last time i couldn't regenerate one then again

It always failed, had to upload a dummy version of the avatar onto the ID and generate from that

Then after upload actual avatar again

[heady sparrow]

its generally a really tedious thing to do

which instead of fully automated I feel like itd be better to have the ability to generate from the sdk in a project directly

rather than needing to go to the website to do it

[tulip hazel]

The first time i opened It worked well and i join in a world whitout any problems, but now i cant open It,i tried to delte the caché,reinstall the app, but It isnt working

WHAT should i do?

Nevermind It works

[ivory elm]

i lack a show avatar button too so you will likely be a voiceless robot

i wonder how they are going to handle impostor auto generation, since there would be so many impostors generating at once if they did a system to put in the queue on first load.

guessing its going to roll out for "most popular avatars" first, then slowly start working through avatars people have loaded, mayhaps?

[ivory elm]

number of times ive heard someone ask "whats an impostor" is killing me, they really need to make it a bit more prominent in the sdk-

[heady sparrow]

Or just add it to said sdk in the first place

[wet sorrel]

@charred yoke provide what you want in the feedback in the canny

[charred yoke]

?

[wet sorrel]

@charred yoke go to #android-announcements and click on the link to submit feedback and bugs

We had very poor avatars shown week 1 in alpha, and imposters later that were shown

The same people came bringing the same reason why we can't

i0s unfortunately will be using the android system too

[pearl mulch]

if iOS was its own build platform there would be even less avatars to use

[hardy garden]

Apparently they are going to auto convert android builds to iOS

[wet sorrel]

So only two builds we have to be concerned about

[grizzled coral]

The conversion is done server-side so might just be a one-off thing.

[celest turret]

Hello fellow androids

[charred yoke]

thanks

[shut sky]

Which android phones have 6gb ram to play in vr chat?

[naive bluff]

A lot of them, just depends on your budget.

[hybrid tendon]

is there any chance of the devs enabling quest 3 users to have better graphics and shaders since it's like 40% more powerful than the 2?

[half tapir]

Most likely not to future proof

[ivory elm]

from looks of it, they are targeting better fps before graphics and i'd assume performance rankings will be the same for quest 2 and 3 for now

[half tapir]

You'll get constraints soon already

Which is big for Quest

[ivory elm]

4 arm avatar soon/..

[naive bluff]

Wrong channel. 👀

[naive bluff]

👀 That seems excessive.

[pine flame]

Hi guys, can someone help me? I'm new to VRChat and I'm playing on mobile, I'm having trouble using an avatar.

[naive bluff]

What's the issue exactly? 👀

[pine flame]

Every time I try to press to activate a skin, any skin, the following text appears "Can't display this avatar due to its performance rating" and then I can't use it and I'm stuck only in the robot form.

[naive bluff]

Very Poor is blocked on mobile.

[pine flame]

What is this?

[naive bluff]

Each avatar has a performance rating. Excellent > Good > Medium > Poor > Very Poor. The avatar you're likely trying to use is rated Very Poor which cannot be used on mobile.

If the avatar has on it, it can't be used.

[pine flame]

The avatar I'm trying to use is this one.

[pine flame]

oh

[turbid torrent]

Why can't I still play the phone version of vrchat it still says this on my phone

[fossil lynx]

Same

[native igloo]

maybe you don't have enough ROM (not RAM)

[turbid torrent]

Ram?

[fossil lynx]

How much do you need?

[naive bluff]

At least 6.

[fossil lynx]

Or whatever lol

Ok

[turbid torrent]

What the hell is ram?

[naive bluff]

Random Access Memory.

[turbid torrent]

I have 75℅ left

[native igloo]

That's RAM not ROM

[turbid torrent]

Well what is rom?

[native igloo]

RAM is system memory which is for OS, not for storage of data.

(most of device only has up to 8GB, some recent device may has 16/32/64 kind but that's rare)

[turbid torrent]

So I can't play it at all

[fossil lynx]

Where do I check

[native igloo]

usually under device info under about phone IIRC

[fossil lynx]

Ok tysm

[turbid torrent]

Wait let me check that

[native igloo]

ah....need to get into dev mode to see RAM capacity.....
(tap Build Number under About Phone 7 times to get into developer mode)
Then just go into Developer option, and them display on top

[fossil lynx]

I dont see that

[native igloo]

https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-check-ram-in-android-3346256/

If it too difficult, download CPU-Z from app store and check there.

[fossil lynx]

Ty

[turbid torrent]

Ok I checked the ram

It says 3.0 GB

[fossil lynx]

It's the ram plus stuff I think

[turbid torrent]

Ok

I can't find the plus stuff

You know what I don't need to play vrchat on the go anyway

It sounds to hard to do so I am going to give up on it

[native igloo]

plus is no longer require.

[native igloo]

only option be.....change your phone so...

[fossil lynx]

Oh

Then idk

[eternal lagoon]

Hey all

[ivory elm]

on 3.0GB, vrchat would be extremely unstable. likely wouldnt be able to load any avatars or even some simple worlds

[heady sparrow]

3gb shared between your phone's systems and the game would be horrible

[dapper vault]

So I'm trying to join a friend in an Idle Home world, and the game keeps crashing on me after 30 seconds of joining that world.

[half tapir]

3gb in general from my experience is already horrible

Multitasking barely works

[pine flame]

I can't use any skins on VRChat mobile, is there any solution to this problem? The game runs well on my phone

[naive bluff]

Already told you.

[pine flame]

I know, It wouldn't hurt to try.

[wet sorrel]

Leave your feedback on the canny

[hybrid tendon]

I think they did a great job for mobile

They should move the push to talk button and put the always on option also

[ivory elm]

make sure you are using optimized avatars

[heady sparrow]

there is no problem
use more optimized avatars

[wispy moon]

4gb does run sometimes

[ivory elm]

go into a 30 player public world, you'll see the not enough memory issue within the first few poor ranked avatars if you even load in successfully

1.5gb for android overhead, 2gb for vrchat and the world, and you get a nice four poor ranked avatars of space (this is a joke)

[wintry nimbus]

Every time I use a chatbox, the phone goes into landscape mode which really risks crashing the game. I suppose it's a memory leak.

I suggest opening a native textfield and the native Android input method without changing the resolution or orientation as the keyboard pops up in portrait mode. And I suggest adding a Chatbox option in the Menu button menu.

Otherwise, VRChat is so playable that I got it running on my Samsung Galaxy A14 which is under minimum required RAM. A couple of racing games worked pretty well like Go Kart Zombie Tag and a few Mario Kart games. Super VR Ball is excellent in performance, but it's really difficult to maneuver. VRWare runs smooth, but some minigames are unbeatable. Kitchen Chefs is a challenge, but it works.

[half tapir]

I recommend to go into landscape by default

controls of the entire game in portray is just pretty meh

[ivory elm]

i use rotation control's lock rotation feature to force it to stay in portrait, could try it!

(they also really need to change the test instead of it being white on white blah)

[wintry nimbus]

I don't think that that really works on my native phone. Is this feature from an external app?

[ivory elm]

yeah, it's a free app on play store. just puts a little rotation button in your notifications i believe

[wintry nimbus]

That actually worked pretty well, thanks!

And if you plug in a USB or Bluetooth joystick, you get this!

I had a USB C hub with keyboard, mouse and joystick and got an amazing experience! So awesome.

[vale edge]

If only they would add the ability to invert view on controller so I could actually use it.

[lethal vale]

I know this is the android section but can’t wait for the iOS beta

I hope I get chose to try it out

[marble sable]

idk why there's no channels for it

[naive bluff]

It's not publicly available yet. 👀

[hexed iris]

This is just a suggestion for the creator users, but it would be handy to have some sort of indicator on the avatars in Quest/Android platform version of the world that it is not mobile compatible due to the Very Poor ranking. Something as simple as this should do the trick 📵

(For reference, this is a plane mesh with the 📵 image on it)

[wintry nimbus]

Or analog sensitivity

[wet sorrel]

@hexed iris or better still, allow the option to use the very poor avatar for yourself

[ivory elm]

i think they should do this with the very poor rank in general, so quest users can know if they are about to wear an avatar others cant see by default

[wet sorrel]

Week one was fallbacks for pc only and other very poor which was a fair compromise for mobile. But being allow to see use and wear it would allow those with only PC capabilities to test the Android Quest side

There is the Safety settings for a reason

[naive bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[lilac delta]

Lol

[pine flame]

On mobile, optimized avatars are in the minority; those that are truly of interest to the public are almost 100% out of reach.

[hallow kindle]

I have a galaxy note

[naive bluff]

OG Galaxy Note from 2011? 👀

[wet sorrel]

@naive bluff I am old. And I know it works, because I was there week 1. I have the pics to prove it.

[naive bluff]

It works, yes... but it is a liability.

[wet sorrel]

This is what disclaimers and warnings are for

[naive bluff]

People don't read.

[wet sorrel]

True. But it can be written in the legal section

[naive bluff]

Google won't care.

Too many bad reviews = removal from the Play Store.

[vale edge]

Lmfao there are countless apps with millions of downloads that are rated 1-2 stars up for years

These points are incredibly valid concerns, to constantly dismiss anyone who holds them with nonsense is just a waste of effort.

[wet sorrel]

I want the option and so do many others to show only their very poor avatar they use. Not every single very poor avatar

[naive bluff]

Was that at me or Dragon, Merc?

[wet sorrel]

I have updated my review about the lag issue performance back in September. So it has improved. But also provided suggestion to the reviewer.

[wintry nimbus]

Use Aurora Store to download VRChat. But be aware of incompatibilities and so many problems and crashes.

Here are some critical issues:

1. Losing audio
2. Having to use the task switch button on Android to hopefully get the audio back
3. Task switching can crash the app
4. Having to use a forceful portrait/landscape configurator app to get VRChat to work a certain way
5. Portrait/landscape switching can crash VRChat
6. If going to another world while in landscape (cuz menus), the game will go into portrait when entering the world, and then the crash will happen again
7. Text chat should be an option on the Menu button menu and not force the phone into landscape mode with a white-on-white native textbox and a chunky in-game menu with tiny key buttons, but rather just open a native textfield, and if a software keyboard should open, it shouldn't change the resolution, but it should be minimizable for the player to see the game while typing and possibly move over if needed.

I would conclude that most issues are because of poor user experience implementation, but maybe the developers are working too hard to make the game playable at all to begin with, and I do have to say they did a great job at some worlds. Even a joystick can be used to play! I strongly recommend it.

[rancid socket]

i'm honestly excited to try out the ios beta of vrchat. Once i get an android device one day like one of those android gaming handheld consoles, i might try that out too.

[copper light]

Is the game crashing for anyone else? Also, my microphone is not working at all.

[hexed iris]

I used to crash sometimes in the alpha builds, but now I've been able to stay in with no problems other than frame rate drops due to heating (despite disabling poor and very poor avatars and capping it to 30 fps) However, the game can still barely pick up my voice, even with a good external microphone plugged in.

[hybrid tendon]

Hey I am doing the form and does anybody know of what does it mean when it questions are you a creator

[heady sparrow]

What do you mean "the form"

[hybrid tendon]

I am trying to fill out this

[heady sparrow]

Fill out what

[naive bluff]

iOS beta form.

[heady sparrow]

Ah

[naive bluff]

Think it means do you make avatars/worlds?

[hybrid tendon]

Ohh

Got it thank you

[heady sparrow]

Or just make content for the game in general

[wet sorrel]

I got a Samsung Galaxy S23 FE yesterday. The game loads faster via mobile data compared to the A52 I used. The extra two gigabytes helps.

My A52 lasted 2 years and 4 months

[lilac delta]

Good to hear!

[copper light]

That's a very short life...

What happened to it?

[wet sorrel]

Overheated is my guess

But it kept wanting to restart

It was during Discord session while someone was streaming and set to miniplayer

But on occasion I had it on overnight cause I accidentally fell asleep. Not on vrc mobile.

Previous 2 phones still work today.

[copper light]

Is it possible to edit my avatar to try to optimize it?

[ivory elm]

old, but holds up. https://youtu.be/8MkgXcidxg4

(thing to note: cats blender can decimate and keep shape keys, its one click to reduce polygon count if you are trying to be quick with it grewehe)

[quaint laurel]

So when is the IOS beta coming out and how do you know if you were picked to participate

[naive bluff]

It'll be announced, those who were chosen will likely be contacted directly.

[paper finch]

Facts

[vale edge]

Except it isn't a fact nor is it true. Google has a long standing policy of not removing apps purely based on rating. There are countless apps with a 1-2 star rating. Ratings alone will not get an app removed. Apps will be removed for policy violations, safety concerns, or legality. The only ratings based violations that can result in an app removal according to the developer terms, are if a developer submits false ratings themselves, giving a user an incentive to review positive (you're allowed to encourage one star ratings but not positive), or submitting or encouraging users to submit reviews with inappropriate content or violations. The DDA makes no mention of review scores being grounds for app removal, this is easily confirmed by the vast amount of low rated long standing apps, apps specifically designed to be rated one star intentionally, 1 star apps widely panned as being scams up for years, and even google giving 1-2 star apps the Editors Choice rating.

While I feel this has virtually nothing to do with VRC as it would never reach such ratings given its wide user base, and as it seems entirely baseless to assume it could ever get to one star purely because some users phones can't run it well, and it would be just as baseless to suggest it could be rated poorly for removing access to specific content. I feel there is no need for pointless misinformation to try and support a specific view.

[outer ingot]

fort

[rigid kestrel]

Anyone know any avi worlds that will work for Android users?

[half venture]

I have a question, will vrc mobile come to any other device other than the main ones? My phone uses the android system but I still get a message that my device isn't compatible.

[heady sparrow]

Then its likely not compatible with the base requirements

[half venture]

Ok

[heady sparrow]

You can always just try sideloading it onto the device and try it

Do keep in mind it might not run the game well if at all

[glad creek]

I wanna play the mobile ver so bad but this is the one thing holding me back..

[naive bluff]

The Exynos chip is holding you back?

[ivory elm]

a testimony on why the game doesn't work on 4GB of RAM, opened vrchat with nothing else on my burner phone open besides a VPN, i went to an invite only black cat world with a medium avatar. my game lasted about a minute before crashing my phone so hard, that the screenshot i took didn't save? had to hold the power button. keep in mind, one avatar in a pretty average world. ive gotten public lobbies to work a while ago, but it's was unstable with frequent crashing at medium + 8 avatar limit

i would show black cat but this is the only screenshot i could take rip, the others somehow didn't save likely cause the crash

[copper light]

?????

i play on a 1380 at 60 fps locked 💀

[glad creek]

mhm. for some reason at best it feels like it's running at 10-15 fps, compared to my snapdragon A71 which runs it perfectly smooth

[naive bluff]

How much RAM?

[glad creek]

8gb. The A71 is a 6gb varient so it isn't a ram related problem

[naive venture]

Exynos chip hasn't been doing well with gaming performance in general, I cannot imagine how bad it would be trying to handle VRChat

[warped basin]

I was wondering the same thing,so if anyone knows it would be genuinely great

[placid terrace]

Why is the vrchat on my android telling me everytime that I have lost connection like 5 minutes I join a world?

[bold vapor]

is vrchat supported on the s21 ultra?

[naive bluff]

If it has >6GB of RAM, yes.

[bold vapor]

ooh okai

yea it has 12

[midnight sky]

Is there any way to use custom avatar animations on VRChat mobile?

I wanna use them but I don't see any way to

[naive bluff]

If it's Quest-compatible and above Very Poor, sure.

[midnight sky]

So then how do I use said animations?

Like, let's say, an avatar that dances when a button is pushed

I've heard that's how it works on the actual VR headsets

[naive bluff]

If it's gesture-based, you maaaay not be able to. At least right now.

[midnight sky]

I don't believe it is?

[heady sparrow]

do mobile users even have access to the expression/radial menu

[naive bluff]

I don't think so?

[heady sparrow]

then you cant

[midnight sky]

I can't check if the animation is gesture-based because I don't have a headset

[naive bluff]

The app right now is very much barebones. Movement, jump, and PTT.

[midnight sky]

I've noticed

[heady sparrow]

ok so

[midnight sky]

The push-to-talk button is in the wrong place honestly

[heady sparrow]

if you had access to the quick menu's wings you could toggle it there

[midnight sky]

Also PTT just sucks

Wait wait wait

So you're saying that the one thing Agent J does, which is dance, isn't possible?

[heady sparrow]

tbh if mobile had open mic thatd be actually horrible

[naive bluff]

^

[midnight sky]

Man I just wanted to bring the glory of Elite Beat Agents into VRChat

[naive bluff]

No PC?

[midnight sky]

I have one, but VRChat runs terribly on it

My laptop runs on 4GB of memory and an Intel Pentium Silver processor

So VRChat barely functions on it

[heady sparrow]

Im surprised it even opened the game

[midnight sky]

It works for about 5 minutes before becoming near-unplayable

[heady sparrow]

4gb of memory isnt even enough for the baseline for android

[midnight sky]

Well to be fair the mobile version is significantly more unstable than the Steam release

Also I'm pretty sure my laptop only has 4GB of memory, but I don't remember well

Not like it matters because of how bad the processor is

Anyway, finding good avatars is super hard on mobile

Oh, is the "Log In With Steam" option from PC VRChat coming to mobile?

Seeing as Steam has a mobile app and all

[naive bluff]

...Why would it?

[midnight sky]

Why not?

[naive bluff]

Because, Google Play exists?

[midnight sky]

But what if I wanna use my VRChat account I made through Steam?

[naive bluff]

You can't.

[midnight sky]

What.

[naive bluff]

You'd have to find a way to merge it to a regular VRC account and then log in normally.

[midnight sky]

That seems oddly convoluted

[naive bluff]

Not really.

[midnight sky]

Wait, actually I just remembered something

[naive bluff]

Those are platform accounts, meaning they're proxy accounts using details of their respective platform to make the account.

[midnight sky]

When I was logging in to VRChat on mobile, it let me sign into my account

But the only account I have with VRChat is through Steam

[heady sparrow]

the platform specific accounts are merely a guest account

[midnight sky]

Wha

[heady sparrow]

the steam, oculus/meta, mobile, etc accounts are an auto generated account used as a type of guest account if you havent made a vrchat account

[midnight sky]

So, how do I check if my VRChat account on mobile is an actual VRChat account?

[heady sparrow]

well did you make a vrchat account

[midnight sky]

I dunno, VRChat mobile let me sign in

But there was nothing on my account, and I don't remember making an actual VRChat account

The only account I remember making was through Steam

[naive bluff]

If there was nothing on the account, then you made a Google Play guest account.

[midnight sky]

So can I switch it to an actual VRChat account without losing my stuff?

Because I'd like to not lose my favorited avatars, even though they're easy to get back

[naive bluff]

Yes, but you would need to find a way to log into Steam long enough to generate a code.

[midnight sky]

Oh I meant on my phone

I have very little on my laptop

[naive bluff]

Nope.

Steam guest account can only be logged in via your Steam on a PC.

[midnight sky]

Yeah I know

I meant switching the account that's on my phone to an actual account

[naive bluff]

Yes. Though, if there's nothing on it, might as well start over.

[midnight sky]

Oh

Better screenshot my list of favorite avatars then

So I can get them in exactly the right order

Yeah so apparently I was just signing in to my already existing account

Time to check VRChat on my laptop

[midnight sky]

Yeah it's an actual account

[midnight sky]

Yeah so I have a new question

Has anyone else mentioned any issues about their mic cutting out?

[wet sorrel]

I have with feedback and provided video proof from a friend

Go to #android-announcements , and select the feedback link

BTW, if you have another platform, you can stay in the very poor avatar you used, but are in fallback.

I have streamer friends who I can review their footage

[midnight sky]

Do I submit it as a bug?

[wet sorrel]

Yes. It's a Bug Report, and select Android Beta

[midnight sky]

Alright done

My mic cutting out only seems to happen in No Time Two Talk

Which is really weird

[wet sorrel]

I had it happened throughout the day when I got on

[midnight sky]

Huh.

Yeah I just want to have people understand me in No Time Two Talk

It's one of the main worlds I visit

[wet sorrel]

I was bad in Exploding Kittens and Sovren's Chill Home, but clear in Prison Escape

[wet sorrel]

I think the bad mic was created from bad connectivity because I had more people around me yesterday IRL compared to today

[midnight sky]

When I was in that world, I had good internet

[gaunt palm]

I feel like audio dies more often if there's a lot of ppl, both on mobile and on quest-mode.

[wet sorrel]

I had better mic quality with mobile data at home, then with wifi data with one other person yesterday

[rich granite]

is the very poor rank being removed from quest if so what will happen to my current avatars that are very poor?

[grizzled coral]

That warning has been there for more than a year, we do not know what they actually intend to do.
I doubt VRChat are going to remove the entire rank, probably just eventually shift what counts as very poor.

But like the uncompressed size limits imposed recently there might be a fraction of unquestionably terrible avatars that just become unusable if they were to remove very poor.

[peak scarab]

Yo

[hallow bluff]

[naive bluff]

[static patrol]

Will the polygon count for mobile change in later versions of the game

[naive bluff]

Likely not?

[static patrol]

Thought so

[naive bluff]

Unless standalone Quest gets more powerful, likely not.

[static patrol]

I'm on mobile

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra to be specific

[naive bluff]

Yeah, I know. The specs are based on Quest since it's both Android.

[static patrol]

But with the avatars I have are quest compatible, it let's me use them, but on my Samsung, it won't let me use it, all I get is the error "can't display current avatar due to performance issues"

[naive bluff]

Very Poor is blocked on mobile.

[static patrol]

Dang

[naive bluff]

Yep.

[static patrol]

Will it ever change?

[naive bluff]

Nope.

[wet sorrel]

S23 FE user now. With more RAM, and quickly changing between very poor avatars in the wings, the avatar will display for others, just you will be in fallback. The wonders of more memory.

Or for easier time, switch avatar in website.

Been doing this in front of a streamer

6GB won't allow the quick change

[surreal trellis]

How do I add an avatar to my game on mobile?

[heady sparrow]

You need a pc to upload avatars

[hybrid tendon]

When will iOS beta start

[heady sparrow]

yes

[hybrid tendon]

Wym yes

[heady sparrow]

theres not an official date afaik

but it will start "soon"

[ionic breach]

On the info, does it mean Android 10 and anything past? Or just specifically 10?

Because I have android 11, and it says my phone version "isn't compatible"

[crude narwhal]

@brisk sail

[brisk sail]

Nu uh

[wet sorrel]

@ionic breach What is your specs?

Plus it needs 6 GB of RAM minimum

[ionic breach]

I found the problem. My phone has 4 GB of RAM

I now feel stupid lol

[hollow storm]

would be cool if very poor avatars were enabled on mobile

[midnight sky]

Ah, if only...

If only...

[heady sparrow]

They were but it was later disabled because performance reasons

Which they arent going to change it back at all

[hollow storm]

damn

it's a shame because my phone handles vrchat mobile well

[heady sparrow]

Well just like the quest build of android the baseline exists for low end

Also define runs well

[half tapir]

Phone is vrchat lite lite

Quest is vrchat lite

If you need fancy stuff you gotta upgrade

[heady sparrow]

Yea

Even then just optimize

Its the same performance requirements

Itll be the same rating on quest and mobile

[static patrol]

My S24 would handle it fine tho

[heady sparrow]

Just a quick question
How much fps do you get

[static patrol]

120 fps

That's my phone's framerate

In game I get like, 40 - 60 fps

[wet sorrel]

I get the same with S23 FE

StormRel did mention to inquiry features you want in Feature Request in the feedback canny. I mentioned adding a prompt that pops up with a warning before show very poor avatar.

Your own very poor avatar

[static patrol]

I meant the ultra

Btw

[wet sorrel]

Nice

[static patrol]

Can I send my specs in here??

[empty mauve]

So with this change happening, is it also going to affect Quest users?

Or will quest be able to continue as normal? Cause they way I understood it was that Avatar requirements were changing for the Android platform as a WHOLE

[naive bluff]

What change?

[empty mauve]

The Avatar rating change

[naive bluff]

... Is this a recent change? Or...?

[empty mauve]

this one

its an in talk one I suppose

[naive bluff]

I assume you're asking will Very Poor affect Quest?

[empty mauve]

yea

[naive bluff]

Eventually, yep.

[empty mauve]

I saw a lot of creators say they are no longer gonna support quest avatars cause of this

[naive bluff]

Okay.

That's their prerogerative.

[static patrol]

Damn

[empty mauve]

Not here to start a debate or anything, just tryna get answers my friend

[naive bluff]

You kind of already answered your question.

Also, this channel is for the mobile app. If you wanna discuss Quest, go to #quest-general

[static patrol]

I have good avatars but now they won't be supported on mobile ig?

[empty mauve]

My b

[naive bluff]

Good-rated?

[static patrol]

Nah

Like quest usable

[naive bluff]

Are they Poor or better?

[static patrol]

Most are very poor

But when I hopped on quest, it was decent for being very poor

[naive bluff]

Welp.

[lime silo]

This is all I have on phone

[naive bluff]

Sooooome context?

[lime silo]

I can't see my avetare but I can see others

And the mic idk how

Only push to talk and that one

[naive bluff]

Is your avatar Very Poor?

[lime silo]

No it's the yellow rexsodem

[static patrol]

Where did you get those avatars that'll work?

[lime silo]

From wolds

But ya I'll just by a qwst 2

How do thy fuck up a vr game on phone

[naive bluff]

Very Poor means the avatar ranking. Very Poor is blocked on mobile and cannot be shown.

[lime silo]

True

[naive bluff]

That was intentional, not a bug.

[lime silo]

Ya

[wet sorrel]

Post feedback in the canny

Options need to be available for higher end phones

[teal prawn]

I don't understand my phone has the same specs as a quest (maybe even better) and it's limited to not show very poor avatars

Maybe it's the beta things but isn't it supposed to be the opposite, betas are supposed to have little to no limitationa for further testing and improvements

[pearl mulch]

At this point we are chat kind of considers it a mistake that quest allowed very poor avatars in the first place but the avatars are already there so they can't easily change that limit

[heady sparrow]

your phone isnt built specifically to do what the quest does

your phone still needs to phone software-wise

[teal prawn]

Yeah I guess that's the problem

[ivory elm]

this talks been done thousands of times, yeah, phones cant render millions of polygons and the insane number of draw calls without ripping through battery and making lots of heat. just not feasible yet, even some/most high end phones besides ones with specific chipsets made for gaming

quest 2 already barely keeps over 30 loading a few very poor avatars, o.o

[pearl mulch]

and your quest doesn't have to keep a bunch of background applications in RAM

[surreal trellis]

I have been having issues with audio. It randomly cuts out and stops working, I'm not able to hear background music or people talking. This happened before the new update but I was able to get it back by expanding the settings menu. Now I can't fix it. I believe it's caused by a lot of people talking at once and many people in one room, it could be from lag as well but I'm unsure.

[wet sorrel]

Leave your concerns as Feature Request in the canny. StormRel mentioned this to me.

[ivory elm]

please vrchat follow up to the "adding a hard cap" you mentioned ......

im manifesting 4 meshes 4 materials

[worldly prism]

What do i do?

[wet sorrel]

Look for a verification code from your email or two factor authentication, login again, and apply the code

[worldly prism]

There is nothing at email

[wet sorrel]

Then contact help desk for additional help

[formal cargo]

VRChat might be have Hacker attack or sone technical issues or something.

[heady sparrow]

definitely not the first one

[ivory elm]

ah, im having errors too now

i attempted to launch the game earlier today with a vpn active. it didn't allow me to connect, so i turned it off and tried opening vrchat again. it never leaves the loading icon now, even after deleting all app cache, then all app data, and trying to sign out and sign in multiple times
(ive verified that my vpn isnt on anymore)

update: turn your phone off and on, it works

[faint kayak]

Hi im new here, do anyone want to teach me play : )

[supple spruce]

Shit keeps crashing when opening the app ☠️

[wide river]

What is it for mobile or vr?

[naive bluff]

What?

[mint leaf]

what’s the name of the vrc app

[naive bluff]

Link is in the channel topic, my guy.

[mint leaf]

witch one is it

[ivory elm]

click it

[naive bluff]

The one only one up there?

[mint leaf]

just send me the link to it

[naive bluff]

... It's literally in the channel topic.

[ivory elm]

the name of the vrchat app is VRChat

[flint wasp]

is it possible to force mobile so it can use very poor avatars?

[naive bluff]

No.

[flint wasp]

bruh.

[naive bluff]

Sorry, broski.

[flint wasp]

D:

[frank mason]

I can’t wait for it to release on iOS👀😩

[native igloo]

go to website and apply for closed beta

[frank mason]

I did