android-discussion

[half tapir]

Shit happens. Wait for VRChat maybe getting an increased limit or something if Google feels nice that day

[orchid owl]

Hmm

[barren field]

I'm not having any problems getting in myself, I wonder if they limit it based on region

[orchid owl]

That would suck

[fiery bear]

I played today on my phone and I can't see my avatar anymore. Stinks.

[gritty steppe]

Most of my good avi are very poor an yet the removed it in the update but it's still in the settings of the main menu.

[rain vault]

yeah they removed very poor, but i managed to downgrade.

they should really add very poor avis as a optional thing under safety & comfort already, but they seem to ignore their players

[rain vault]

wait it's optional now or is it not?

[gritty steppe]

Nope because they removed it but still in avi setting menu

[rain vault]

oh that section yea.

they need to turn it into a option though

[fiery bear]

Yeah. I used to see it. But now all I see is my fallback

[terse fulcrum]

Would VRChat be compatible with the Pixel Tablet by any chance?

I can compromise with a tablet over a cellular device if I am just gonna use it for world testing purposes

[worn drum]

Theoretically it should as long as it lets you download

[terse fulcrum]

8GB of RAM and Google Tensor G2 should be alright

it would be +2GB over the requirements

[muted kayak]

Does anyone knows what's that (I get that on my PC if I launch VRChat on my phone) ?

[muted kayak]

yeah, someone already did it

[lusty hazel]

It works fine on Samsung Tablets, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on the new Pixel Tablet

[west arrow]

vrchat has automatic OSC scanning it scans for any application on the network for an osc data provider

[icy knot]

Oh that's funny, it's picking up the other client as an OSC server.

[dense flicker]

Anyone seeing only fallback avatar tho avi has quest compat?

[rain vault]

you could roll back but at one point vrchat might decline older versions to ruin the fun.

[rain vault]

very poor avis got blocked so thats why. like i said above, you can try rolling back.

[dense flicker]

Jeez... what are they thinking

[rain vault]

idk

[rose leaf]

they're thinking about making sure that the game doesn't run like shit on underpowered hardware? it's been said in the documentation for years that Very Poor might get removed alltogether on Quest, this is not surprising

I agree with the move.

[rain vault]

i've said before, that a toggle to prevent or allow very poor avis would be very nice.

[vale edge]

Nah. U aren't allowed to choose.

[rain vault]

i can understand optimization but like, why not just let us toggle it on or not if we atleast have the power for it

[dense flicker]

That means majority of the avis will be blocked and people aka creators will be upset as they have to optimize even further and ruin the avi looks

• they are thinking of making a creator supporter feature soon, so why even change optimization lol

Just a dumb act all around

• imagine the avatar you are using rn is all of sudden blocked and unable to see by all quest users, wouldn't that be infuriating?

[rose leaf]

most avatar creators are lazy, they won't optimize stuff unless forced to. I see people in here every day trying to upload 200k+ poly avatars to quest, and there's nothing stopping them from doing so

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m all for removing very poor on quest too lol

Well okay I think a good compromise might be

[vale edge]

user created content game
Mocks users for creating content and not spending the dozens or hundreds of hours learning more advanced tools

[dense flicker]

Imagine your friends going, "cant see your avi, mind changing?" Over and over again

[cosmic cobalt]

Very Poors are allowed and blocked by default IF they aren’t egregiously horribly optimized

I.e. you can upload a Very Poor avatar up to say 30k tris and as long as other stats aren’t in the red, it’s at least viewable if you manually enable it

[dense flicker]

Sooner or later this game will have block looking avatar.

If you wanna speak of optimization, bring back old 2017 vrchat, 10k poly max

[cosmic cobalt]

You horribly underestimate the amount of detail you can fit in 20k tris

[rose leaf]

remember, the Imposter system is coming at some point. it'll mean you could at least somewhat look like your original avatar to others

[vale edge]

there's more to a rank than poly count

[cosmic cobalt]

I was thinking about what may be a good alternative though for just outright removing very poors

And I think a good alternative would be making it so very poor avatars cannot be made public

So if you really wanna wear unoptimized garbage, you can but you can’t spread it around

[vale edge]

Why's it so bad to let people choose what they want to see?

[rose leaf]

not the worst idea

[rain vault]

exactly

[vale edge]

Disabled by default, warning on enable. Tough.

[dense flicker]

Let me guess, the reason both of yall are supporting the very poor changes is because ur avi is not that level

[rain vault]

how i've tried to pitch the idea many times now

[cosmic cobalt]

Correct! I’m a competent creator with over 90 quest and pc avatars that ARENT very poor

[rose leaf]

I was always of the mindset that avatar/asset creators should always strive to optimize their stuff as much as possible, to protect consumers from their own ignorance

[cosmic cobalt]

A vast majority of which are in fact public

[vale edge]

Personally, I don't like top down dictation of artistic expressions. I have absolutely never cared about showing a VP or controlling what I see.

[rose leaf]

not exactly, but I have made very optimized versions of avatars for other people before

e.g. Rollthered

[rain vault]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/desperately-need-a-very-poor-allowance-on-mobile

[subtle crane]

They're thinking the optics of their client crashing constantly due to unoptimised content is far worse than a small amount of people complaining about their horrendeous avatars. And they'd be right. An application that runs terribly or crashes a lot will look worse to the general public. That's basically what it comes down to.

[cosmic cobalt]

This is my main avatar and it’s less than 20k tris

[rose leaf]

<10k, Good quest fallback

[vale edge]

there's more to a rank than poly count.

[dense flicker]

Bruh. Yall are literally bringing up avis that doesn't have accessories, rollthered, is nice but majority of the avis are those eboys/egirls one

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s the main factor, atlasing materials is a cakewalk

[subtle crane]

Are you measuring that from Blender? If so, the poly count will be wrong because you've not triangulated it yet.

[rose leaf]

it's the Tris count from blender, not the faces count.

[cosmic cobalt]

Well not the main factor, but hardest to control

[cosmic cobalt]

Blender lists tris and faces

So does Maya

Don’t know about Max because I don’t use that one

[rose leaf]

you are correct, but for a Fallback, I don't think accessories are needed

[cosmic cobalt]

How do you get it to show all stats in the sdk?

[rose leaf]

Settings > Show all perf stats

[cosmic cobalt]

Sweet thank you, I never knew about that

[vale edge]

This is slightly disingenuous... There's a lot of reasons people can't/don't do this additional work. It might be easy to reduce poly on some models, but not on all. It may be easy to atlas on some but not all. It may also be you need to merge a ton of stuff, create new blends, weight paint, rig, add back faces, on and on. Reducing it to such simplifications is just disingenuous, just like mocking those people and calling them lazy.

[hybrid tendon]

[cosmic cobalt]

No I was saying that reducing tris IS the hardest part, I was just saying stuff like merging bones and atlasing UVs is easy

[dense flicker]

Yknow what... just punish people, if they crash theyll learn their lesson to not use very poor avis

[subtle crane]

VRCFury + D4rkAvatarTools does a pretty good job of doing a lot of this for you, if you can't do it yourself in Blender.

[vale edge]

Depends

[subtle crane]

You know they won't, they'll come into Discord and Twitter and moan about how the game is so unoptimised and how it's rubbish, with absolutely zero self-awareness, lol.

[barren field]

That's literally what everyone's saying, give them the option to turn them on but have them off by default

[cosmic cobalt]

Erm what if you’re like me and do it in Maya 🤓

[dense flicker]

Guess what? Vrc goes "nope, removing, we dont care what u say"

[subtle crane]

The problem with that is that you end up with the environment you have now, where everyone just uploads very poor, meaning everyone has to turn them on to see anyone, and then you're back to shitty-performance land.

[cosmic cobalt]

Correct

[vale edge]

I never had bad performance due to that. Not everyone plays the same.

[cosmic cobalt]

Whenever I go into a public lobby on quest, you RARELY see anything that ISNT very poor

[subtle crane]

The option has been taken away because people cannot control themselves. It's not a rare occurrence, it's becoming overwhelming and now they have to crack down on it.

[cosmic cobalt]

And I get sick of trying to converse with fallbacks

[hybrid tendon]

Man, speaking of fallbacks, where has that Imposter feature been?

[dense flicker]

I love how theyre cracking down on avis but not age limit or kids.

[hybrid tendon]

[cosmic cobalt]

So do I think very poors should be removed on quest?

[vale edge]

Neat. It's almost like people should have choice in a community game since not everyone would agree. Odd that

[barren field]

If the avi limits were extremely restrictive and very poor was removed, it could run the risk of reducing the amount of creators willing to make content for the game significantly as well as excessively raising the barrier for entry which isn't good for a game that relies on UGC to continue

[cosmic cobalt]

Clearly those creators ain’t that good then :/

[dense flicker]

This game is getting dumber and dumber with devs doing things that weren't asked for

[subtle crane]

The problem with cracking down on kids is that to do that properly would require age gating of some sort and if you so much as mention that anywhere in this Discord, people collectively lose their shit (as most people in here are children, I guess? Or are people that like children being on the platform, which is even more weird...)

[dense flicker]

Lmao, I'm sure there are way tons of creators that want to display their skills instead of showing nothing

[subtle crane]

Nah, it would just mean creators have to actually put effort into making content for the platform, rather than making half a mil monstrosities and then claiming it's "fine".

[dense flicker]

"Ain't good" u say

[vale edge]

I'd basically never bother anymore lmao. People mock others for being lazy n shit but I ain't got that time to care. Been using blender and unity for many years, fully aware of how it's done. I'm just not disingenuous and make it sound like it's beep boop done for everyone. It's time most simply don't care about especially when it's being spent basically reducing the avatar to a boring bland model.

[cosmic cobalt]

My college profs are always amazed how optimized my models are because vrc has taught me to optimize and make things look nice with good textures and custom vertex normals

[dense flicker]

LOL

[vale edge]

[dense flicker]

I aint entertaining any further on ur "good optimization" opinion

[hybrid tendon]

I wouldn't want that to happen, to be honest, that's why I was wondering where that Imposter feature has been

[vale edge]

The imposter feature looks meh tbh I'll wait and see but ehhh

[dense flicker]

Just because ur creation amazes ur professor doesn't mean it amazes others for how it looks

[hybrid tendon]

I dunno either, but at least we shall see how good that will be when it is released

[cosmic cobalt]

It literally does though

[dense flicker]

Ur professor was taught to do things cleanly while vrc? Go wild with ur creation

[cosmic cobalt]

My vrc group has over 700 members, one of my avatar worlds has 8k favorites and the other has 30k favorites

I’d say people like my optimized content

[dense flicker]

Lemme as

[cosmic cobalt]

Sorry you’re an eboy who needs “muh polygons” but not everyone is like that

[hybrid tendon]

That's...

[dense flicker]

Ratio of furries to non furries (furry avis are 90% optimized"

[hybrid tendon]

How can you be so sure they are eboy?

[dense flicker]

Eboy? I run around as game characters

[cosmic cobalt]

They literally mentioned tda bases earlier

[vale edge]

Bruh. Bit of a straw man.

[dense flicker]

This guy HAHAHA

[cosmic cobalt]

Then you’d like my world because most of my public avatars are optimized game rips lmao

[dense flicker]

I am naming the majority of avis i see, eboys and egirl

[cosmic cobalt]

Ah fair then

[rain vault]

i will confidentally say, as a furry. that furry avis can be optimized or not. but most are not optimized

[dense flicker]

Not what I wear LOL

[subtle crane]

The tyranny of the default rex.

[cosmic cobalt]

As soon as I get a new anthro base I always dissolve loops until it’s poor or better

[rain vault]

lo

[cosmic cobalt]

Great example is that Ghostblaze base that I took down from around 65k to 19k

All the while it still looks great

[median jolt]

has anyone tried using the android build on a data connection yet? how much does it use up?

[vale edge]

Hardly anything

[hybrid tendon]

Let me check

[vale edge]

I've been using cell data to play vrc for like 2 years. It uses jack shit.

Loading worlds is the biggest chunk

[rain vault]

damn you had access to vrc mobile for 2 years? /j

[vale edge]

please re read my statement

[hybrid tendon]

82.67 MB for me

[rain vault]

i know, i said /j

[hybrid tendon]

I have not tried going to a public instance with it yet

[cosmic cobalt]

But also at the same time “optimization is super hard” is hardly an excuse for quest creators because if they’re already that lazy about fixing nothing, might as well take the lazy approach to optimizing and just press the button with the cats plug-in that decimates your model down to an acceptable level

[vale edge]

Lmao. Mocking users for being lazy is pretty shit take tbh

[warm perch]

Androids been released

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s a fair take, I’m not the only one saying it

[rain vault]

for 3 days

[cosmic cobalt]

Others in this chat said it like 10 minutes ago

[dense flicker]

I get it, you are a good avi creator, optimizer as well, but others have ways to express emself and adding optimization removes it

[warm perch]

When will the iOS version come tho will the game need to be rebuilt

[vale edge]

No it's not. It's a strawman. You're basically inflating your ego taking a disingenuous stance. It's not always easy, nor quick to optimize. Rank depends on many factors and depending on their model it may or may not be achievable at all. Or may require them spending hours or dozens of hours learning blender or more advanced tools. Mocking people for not having the time nor knowing is just rude.

[dense flicker]

Merc, this guy just wants to flex his college skills

[cosmic cobalt]

I am extremely well aware of this. There are a couple of avatars even I simply can’t optimize after years of doing it

[hybrid tendon]

I can't ever seem to make already demanding Booth models like Lime, Rindo, etc. to be on Poor ranking for Quest @dense flicker

[vale edge]

Why are u lazy then? Just do it

[hybrid tendon]

Oh sorry for that ping, I didn't mean to

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m not trying to inflate my ego, I’m arguing that the tools are there to make it easy for people who don’t know or want to take an easy approach to things

[dense flicker]

I often use selestia, and I made it quest compat but very poor ranking

[warm perch]

Guys

[dense flicker]

Cause yknow why? Bringing it to good ruins the look

[rain vault]

i think ios will require republishing of the avi to another platform so unsure.

[rose leaf]

not every avatar can fit within the quest limitations without serious alterations. at some point some stuff will have to be cut, just how it is when you're working within the constraints of limited hardware

[vale edge]

You just admitted it's not even feasible for everything. Yet you then go back to "just use tools it's ez"

[hybrid tendon]

Mhm, Selestia is just, already that demanding to have a good looking on PC

[cosmic cobalt]

It is easy with said tools, however I hold myself to a higher standard for how I want things to look, and without using those tools some models would be near impossible for me

[hybrid tendon]

Stripping her down by a few poly counts, even with dissolving edge loops may make her look worse than original

[cosmic cobalt]

For most people, Quest is NOT the platform they’ll be using

[dense flicker]

Just go play rec room dude, they will love u there, oh wait nvm u cant bring ur creation there

[vale edge]

Do u have the numbers to back this up?

[cosmic cobalt]

No, but I have met extremely few creators who actively play on quest

Maybe 5 or so in my entire history of playing the game

[vale edge]

Lmfao

[cosmic cobalt]

And I’m in public instances a lot

[hybrid tendon]

So you know, I kind of just gave up on some avatars on having them compatible for Quest, even for how much I wanted them to

[warm perch]

Is iOS gonna be terrible

[barren field]

Quest is about half the playerbase though

[dense flicker]

Vrc once said, "express urself with the avatar u want" but they are contradicting themselves. And you? Mocking us with ur skillset

[rain vault]

unsure, if it does use the quest side of vrchat for avis then yeah, same as android

[cosmic cobalt]

Just because most of the player base is on quest it doesn’t mean most of the creators use quest

[subtle crane]

And the overwhelming majority of those are children. They're not exactly the target demographic for most model/base sales.

[hybrid tendon]

That slogan didn't age well nowadays...

[dense flicker]

Ban em kids instead of fixing the game

[vale edge]

users aren't the targeted demographic for user made content

[lusty hazel]

VRChat Switch Edition when?
https://fxtwitter.com/AuxVRc/status/1693286780324254159?t=XJClAzKYFchnilWTJaFbyA&s=19

[warm perch]

Idk why people make fun of quest users and stuff

[cosmic cobalt]

The thing is, most creators play on Pc and Quest is an afterthought, sometimes a platform they can’t even test on. In those cases, those people should be more focused on making those avatars more like fallbacks for quest, not fully fleshed out stuff

[hybrid tendon]

They make fun of them because of Quest's limitation and hardware specs that they think it's not capable of running VRChat well

[barren field]

I can't believe I haven't tried this yet, cool asf

[hybrid tendon]

And some Quest players are spoiled kids...

[vale edge]

Sounds like you're pulling a lot of stuff out yo ass now lol

[subtle crane]

Modded to run Android?

[cosmic cobalt]

Think what you want, I’m going off of data that I’ve seen myself by hanging around creators almost exclusively

[warm perch]

I’d expect iOS version by the end of next year maybe

[hybrid tendon]

I do not condone hate towards anyone playing on any platforms though, nor should anyone be, honestly

[vale edge]

Data? Lmfao

[rose leaf]

I don't think so. the only platform you can create on is PC. it sort of makes sense for that to be the priority platform to develop for

[dense flicker]

Merc, this rate he has nothing else to say but blab already, main point is, he doesn't want people to express how they wanna be expressed and they should learn to optimize. Wild opinion coming from a guy that favors his professors words

[lusty hazel]

On older Nintendo Switch consoles you can literally just install Android 😅

[subtle crane]

Because many of them are A) children which many don't want on the platform and B) are super entitled about people making Quest content, despite how incredibly difficult that is (if you don't want it to run badly, or if it's a world, run at at all).

[vale edge]

No shit. There was more to what he said than that.

[subtle crane]

Oh, handy.

[cosmic cobalt]

I’ve met tons of quest users that want to make avatars but can’t because they don’t have a pc powerful enough to

[warm perch]

Pc parts are expensive

Its rediclous

[hybrid tendon]

$460 for a VR -ready PC

[dense flicker]

It really isnt LOL

[hybrid tendon]

Someone did it XD

[cosmic cobalt]

My Switch edition looks a little different

[dense flicker]

Just get a job, pcs are cheap HAHA

[warm perch]

Back in the 2000s it was easier and less expensive

[lusty hazel]

XD

[subtle crane]

A second hand laptop for using Blender/Unity would cost you easily under £/$200.

[dense flicker]

People who complain about how pcs are expensive is dumb, they always want the best gear instead of the minimal or cheap but good ones

[subtle crane]

It also seems weird that people would not have access to a PC in this day and age.

[warm perch]

I’m building one and it’s hard for me to get the proper money

[cosmic cobalt]

See the thing is, most quest players are kids lol. The pc literate players all play on pc because they know the benefits of how good a pc is

[hybrid tendon]

I don't need a 4090 to play this game...

[dense flicker]

Either way, "optimization" by default is dumb.

[rain vault]

amd is like probably the cheapest way into gaming afaik

[cosmic cobalt]

True especially considering vrc is more cpu dependent no?

[rain vault]

yeah it requires more cpu

[hybrid tendon]

And I think AMD CPUs are good for those while still offering good prices

[subtle crane]

If this is your genuine take, you are not allowed to ever complain about the performance of VRC, or anything in VRC, ever again.

[cosmic cobalt]

For sure

Maybe it’s not the fairest comparison but imagine if epic games tried to port the pc version of Fortnite to phones with no optimization

[dense flicker]

"Express yourself with the avatars creators make" - vrchat 2018

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s a similar thing for how very poor quest avatars are ‘optimized’

[rose leaf]

this is a game, not some offline render you can just throw more rendering time at. we have a limited frametime budget, things have to be optimized to ensure a decent framerate. for quest/mobile, it's a matter of the game being able to run at all

[lilac delta]

Agree so better ignore him

[cosmic cobalt]

College has taught me fuck all compared to just self teaching

[warm perch]

Would quest be my best bet run

Rn

[hybrid tendon]

Hmm? For a budget-friendly VR device plan?

[vale edge]

Wat. Being apart of a discussion is flexing skills for something I never even did?

[warm perch]

Yes

[vale edge]

My bad for sharing my opinion I guess

[hybrid tendon]

Then yes, but Quest 3 is coming soon so you ought to wait for that

[dense flicker]

Merc its not u

Its the professor lover guy I was on about

[hybrid tendon]

This Fall they will

[warm perch]

@hybrid tendon isn’t meta gonna continue support for the quest 2

[vale edge]

I'm too fkn stoned lfmao

[hybrid tendon]

Yes they will

[cosmic cobalt]

Yes

[vale edge]

For a while.

[warm perch]

Then I can get that save up to upgrade

[cosmic cobalt]

Look I’ve already chalked you up to an idiot who really doesn’t understand the technical side of things when it comes to how VRChat operates, so I’m not even giving you the time of day at this point

Maybe not an idiot, but someone ignorant who doesn’t even try to understand why very poors are so bad for the games longevity

[vale edge]

Mocking users as your counter is pretty rude.

[warm perch]

Bout to say that’s harsh

[cosmic cobalt]

At this point I don’t care

[lilac delta]

Was not for you ^^ no worries

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m done suffering fools lol

[vale edge]

That's apparent.

[dense flicker]

Cough cough, "users can express themselves or should with the avis they love"

[vale edge]

I realized. I'm pretty stoned lmao

[dense flicker]

You really are ignoring that sentence made by vrc emself?

[cosmic cobalt]

The things they love VRChat has said is subject to removal since 2019

[warm perch]

Sir what’s your problem who do you think you are

[dense flicker]

Ego is off the roof lmao, "lazy" is what we are to him

[vale edge]

someone doesn't agree with me. They must be an idiot

[lilac delta]

No worries lol hope you enjoy it xD

[rose leaf]

this doesn't supersede performance requirements though

[warm perch]

@cosmic cobalt I suggest you touch grass

[rose leaf]

it's not "users can express themselves, regardless of if it'll crash your game or not"

[hybrid tendon]

2023 arguments be like

We live in a society

[vale edge]

I haven't ever crashed from a VP. I've crashed from crashers uploaded with modded SDKs tho lmao

[dense flicker]

It doesn't but lets say this, "your creation is now determined by the majority of the community, the avi u are wearing now? No can do. We hate it" how would you feel?

[cosmic cobalt]

I’m simply done making logical arguments because the people I’m arguing aren’t accepting logical arguments and are only all about ‘but I wanna wear the thing I love and idc if it causes people to lose frames’

[vale edge]

Bruh

[warm perch]

You also don’t need to be a incel

[dense flicker]

Was it logical of you to bring up mockery to other users

[rose leaf]

insults are not necessary

[cosmic cobalt]

That’s about when I gave up

[light scarab]

👀

[vale edge]

Don't need to stoop to his level.

[dense flicker]

[rose leaf]

if this is how it's going to be then I'm going back to blender

[light scarab]

what did I just join

[cosmic cobalt]

Same, I have an avatar to optimize :P

Actually nah I’m grabbing lunch

[hybrid tendon]

Good luck :)

[dense flicker]

This is like dopamine to me

[burnt plover]

Hero is it normal that I see on the App only Fallback Avatar's ?

[vale edge]

Lmao scroll up

[dense flicker]

Scroll all the way up, make sure to bring snacks while you scroll up tho

[vale edge]

But yes. All VP avatars will be fallbacks now.

[rain vault]

they uh, made very poor avis impossible to see for "optimization" reasons

wish they added a simple toggle to readd them tho

[dense flicker]

^

[vale edge]

me, in an empty world with just two other people, locked at 60fps, just wishing I could see anything other than a dude in a suit of armor

[rain vault]

atleast displaying something like "before enabling this, you do understand you will suffer from performance drops. do you understand?" while it makes you wait 5 seconds before being able to enable it.

[dense flicker]

But with that being said, this heat will bring upon to IOS users if they ever are allowed to play this game

[rain vault]

it would be nice to have that at least.

[dense flicker]

"you sure u wanna do that? Your phone be weak brother" (5 seconds till this pop up disappears)

Gotta be hella unhinged and direct

[rain vault]

no no, it's got 2 buttons you can choose. cancel and enable, which enable will be greyed out for 5 seconds.

[dense flicker]

Yeah but change the head up sentence to what I said

So people think before pressing

[rain vault]

"enable this at own risk. you might suffer more lag, unless your device has the power to process very poor avatars."

something like that.

the devs could write something better though, if they are gonna listen and add this that is.

[dense flicker]

Time will tell

[rain vault]

i hope they listen

[final smelt]

Oh I was wondering why I'm seeing my own fallback

Are they gonna be enabled again or is it staying like that?

[dense flicker]

No idea..

[rain vault]

well, you can maybe upvote this to hopefully increase the chance to bring it back.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/desperately-need-a-very-poor-allowance-on-mobile

i know that optimization is important, but it being toggleable would be lovely anyways.

[dense flicker]

I don't care if my phone starts smoking, lemme see em avis

[lilac delta]

Like i said yesterday: not everyone had the skill or time to make a poor or medium quest avatar. If you can then good for you but being in this channel and flexing that if i can do it everyone can is toxic and pathetic. Need more popcorn tho lol

[final smelt]

I upvoted it

[rain vault]

👍

[rain vault]

that's me to be honest.

[dense flicker]

Well egoism plays a huge part for em

[hybrid tendon]

:))

At least you don't play on a Samsung Galaxy Note 7

[dense flicker]

Any fold users?

[rain vault]

i saw some fold users playing vrchat. it's almost like a tablet

in here too. they posted images

one even played on the teeny tiny screen on the flip 4/5

[dense flicker]

💀 I love those users, testing the limit

[vale edge]

I don't have a fold but dual screening lol

[dense flicker]

DAYUM

[rain vault]

what in the world is that phone?

[vale edge]

LG V60

[rain vault]

wow.

[dense flicker]

Is your phone burning up?

[rain vault]

vrchat automatically makes your phone warm already, to around 42 celcius.

[vale edge]

Nah. It doesn't get all that warm on VRC. Fortnite on ultra graphics immediately throttles me from heat.

[dense flicker]

Hella neat tho, I like it

[rain vault]

they're the one who sold the lg wing arent they

[vale edge]

I put it Infront of my AC vent and bam, no more throttling. But VRC hasn't really heated my phone up at all

[vale edge]

Idk what u mean but LG indeed doesn't make phones anymore. But the V60 is still being supported and updated.

[rain vault]

oh wow.

[dense flicker]

I needa get myself a fold now

[rain vault]

btw this is what i mean, they made this at one point but it was short lived

[vale edge]

Oh funky lol

[rain vault]

yeah, that's the lg wing

[vale edge]

Looks fragile

[rain vault]

it actually sorta is i think

but, now what if we get vrchat on that

it has 8 gigs of ram, it might work

[vale edge]

Lmao. Would be interesting. It's def nice having the second screen when playing vrc. I have too many audio issues being in a discord VC and VRC at the same time tho

[rain vault]

bah.

when i play on vrchat mobile i sorta need to use a bluetooth headset or echo is present through my mic

[vale edge]

I still don't know if BT headset mics are even supported at all for any brand lol.

[rain vault]

they aren't yet

only output works rn

[vale edge]

Yeah figured. I know it didn't work on my airpods. Made a canny but didn't have much more to test past others input

[rain vault]

and sometimes when lag appears, the audio randomly cuts out but i just set my output to my phone and then back and its gucci then

[vale edge]

Ah yeah. Audio cuts constantly. Last night tho I had it work for like a solid two hours without any issues. Then this morning it was no audio immediately lmao

[rain vault]

bluetooth headset issues probably

[lilac delta]

I have a fold 4, pretty dope on the inner screen but hard to use the camera, need to use flex mode to touch the camera shutter button xD

[rain vault]

how does it play on the super small screen when it's shut

well, not super small. but small

[lilac delta]

Pretty good tbh but main menu is a bit smol to touch lol

[hasty stratus]

Same with my K92

[rain vault]

i bet the wings dont work on that small screen

god i still remember the very old vrchat menu which was just like a whole soundboard

[lilac delta]

Oh they work but only for ants

[rain vault]

baha

[lilac delta]

Il show

[vale edge]

Yeah. But we'll not ever get android 14 lol. Least can just load custom rom.

[hasty stratus]

Me who kept trying to look for any status of rooting attempts for a K92 (same for a Grand X 4 no dice)

[rain vault]

oh my god lol

[vale edge]

Ah rip. Get a V60 on eBay before they're all gone. Unlocked bootloader. Weeee. Paid 150 box for a new in box with dual screen. Hella good phone for how cheap they are now.

[rain vault]

looks like a screenshot of the top screen for the nintendo ds

no, the touch screen

i would've said "what if we get vrchat on a 3DS" but those consoles have little to no ram.

[hasty stratus]

Are the buttons re-arrangeable?

[rain vault]

only way probably is by casting it to the 3DS via pc at that point with some software via homebrew

[rain vault]

unfortunately not right now from my knowledge

[lilac delta]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[hasty stratus]

Wouldn't feel like it tho, plus I don't see any reason to root anymore, I don't think

[hasty stratus]

End of life tho sadly

[rain vault]

yeah. they're still great though

[hasty stratus]

I agree even if I have a old XL

[vale edge]

I love my 3dsxl

[rain vault]

2DS XL is probably the best to be honest.

it even has a cover for the game card reader and sd card slot.

[hasty stratus]

much like the DSi did for the Gameboy slot

I believe

[vale edge]

Got a brown one that has solatorobo basically permanently installed lmao

Only DS game I even have anymore and only reason I even keep the DS

[lilac delta]

Port it to 3ds but only allow good or excellent avatars, i mean it's easy to optimize right? XD

[rain vault]

thats going to be hell 😭

[hasty stratus]

But would take years probably

[dense flicker]

Nah, someone in the world will find a way to do it

[rain vault]

running vrchat on like

half a gigabyte of ram

yeah, in 2050 maybe

when homebrewers figure out a way to just degrade everything about vrchat so it runs like only at 15 fps

[hasty stratus]

Found out Nintendo basically have been using flash storage for the longest, yes?

[rain vault]

wait hold on

[rain vault]

i think

[rain vault]

didnt someone like in here, one or 2 people get vrchat running on a nintendo switch??

[hasty stratus]

No?

I've never heard of such an endeavor

[barren field]

It's done by using an old switch that can be hacked and running android on it

I doubt it'll run well bc the switch is pretty old compared to modern phones

[half tapir]

Looks like here was some drama lol

[lilac delta]

Yep lol

[terse fulcrum]

Too fast processor that makes animations play weird 🤷

[rain vault]

made me think of roblox having basically unlimited fps would make some ui elements speed up really fast

[wet sorrel]

Though we can only see fallback when in Very Poor avatars, others can see us

I couldn't select or see any selections in Meme or Die until I rejoined the world

[buoyant arch]

Yeah I can't use any of my actual avatars

[naive bluff]

'Tis the bane of standalone Quest.

Gotta learn to size down.

[grand zenith]

I enjoy how everyone who just yolo'ed a PC avatar onto Quest is now seeing the consequences of their actions, with Android lol.

[velvet badge]

That's still an issue to this day on modern games?

[hybrid tendon]

Wsp guys

[gray shadow]

Yo

[echo lynx]

I mean when all you know is unity it isn't easy. Plus premade models that are bought through like gumroad and whatnot have weird setups at times and putting them into blender and back into unity causes breakage.

[gray shadow]

Wait so why are they releasing it on android anyways? Kinda seems counterproductive to fend of modders y’know

[hybrid tendon]

Guys,how do i join vr chat plus in android?

[echo lynx]

People already have mods on quest lol

No eac on quest

[gray shadow]

I’m aware. However it’s not too much of an issue

At least so far I’ve heard

[echo lynx]

Most of the mods are just like playspace mover and what not

But there are quest clients as well

that are malicious

[gray shadow]

I have yet to see that but I believe it

But then again, putting a game named “VRChat” on a phone just sounds strange to me as well

[analog lodge]

Evening all just me or does 3.0 radial menu no longer work for anyone else in mobile?

[echo lynx]

let me hop on and test. Did it have another update?

[velvet badge]

I already poked at the android app (for unrelated purposes), mods that are found on quest won't work on android.. yet. I won't go into details for obvious reasons, but all I'll say is don't bother.

[gray shadow]

I mean they will obviously make some no doubt

[echo lynx]

It wont take long before they figure it out tho

[analog lodge]

I did update other android apps along vrc earlier today

[velvet badge]

True, I'm just pointing out what I know.

[echo lynx]

ohhhh. Hmm. Well It seems that I still have the latest version. Unless it auto updated but ill check

[gray shadow]

The state of the game is just, depressing a little bit.

I wish they’d add somethin a little more interesting no offense

I love vrc, but putting it on mobile just makes me wanna not play it more. I’d much rather talk to people in vr because it’s a less chance they will crash me. Most client crashers play without vr anyways so ye

[velvet badge]

Eeeh let me elaborate, it wouldn't be hard to port some mods/clients over, it's the game's integrity system is what makes it harder to work with. Again I'm not going into deep details.

[echo lynx]

Either that or the avis toggles are broken

its sending wai

[echo lynx]

working fine for me. Although if you are in very poor you probably can access ur actual avatar menu

[analog lodge]

Intresting i went through many quest avatars trying to open those menus yet couldnt

[echo lynx]

yeah it set yourself to a fallback because very poor not allowed on android

[analog lodge]

Like i got that 3.0 menu open but couldnt get to other radial menus at all

[echo lynx]

Yeah thats why

[analog lodge]

Oh well ty for help gonna have to see if i can get my own pc kissma converted to android

[echo lynx]

The limit is quest poor so 20k polys. Good luck

[analog lodge]

Ty im now testing myself using good rated vrc provided android avatar it works but only using ps4 controller

Without ps4 controller cant go further on menu

Dunno what skill issue i have since earlier when this mobile came it worked fine

[balmy pilot]

The menu is dumb on Android. You have to tap and then drag in the direction you want

[analog lodge]

Weird is it dosent work for me

Dunno if it's some setting issue then

Got to this with ps4 controller

I think that flick option should be on but cant toggle it on

[balmy pilot]

Hmm yeah if flick is off I don't know how you'd do it without a controller

[analog lodge]

Something is wrong now dunno how this happend

[balmy pilot]

Use the controller to turn flick select back on?

[analog lodge]

Cant since flick and those are grayed out

[balmy pilot]

Ooh it looks like it's disabled. Probably need to delete VRChat's data to fix that

[analog lodge]

Yea most likely need to do that

Would be nice to figureout how this happend to make this posted on canny

Cheked settings related to controls there is nothing related or how to disable flick

Ok by reseting clearing caches and all now flick is active and works again but no idea how to reproduce that same issue where flick is disabled

[terse fulcrum]

Nah. Older games are usually locked behind certain FPS max count and having higher speeds of modern hardware may break animations where they play too fast or act weird.

[hasty stratus]

same with Android

[buoyant arch]

Has the avatar issue been fixed?

[echo lynx]

its not going to.

They intend to keep it this way

[buoyant arch]

Thats kinda dumb, no offence.

[echo lynx]

None taken as im against it as well

[muted kayak]

I'm also against, but I can also understand why they did that.

And I guess I pushed me to optimize my avatar to be poor on Quest/Android, so now Quest users don't need to show me, and you can see my avatar on Android

[buoyant arch]

It's just sad because like, what if someone wanted to play vrc but can't afford a pc or headset? It's kinda dull

[naive bluff]

Well... that's kind of on them.

[muted kayak]

If they can affort a powerful enough phone to run VRChat, they can definitely afford a (even used) Quest 2.

I really hope that the microphone sttutering and game freezing randomly for no reasons issues are fixed soon, because they make the game not really usable.

[buoyant arch]

I have a pixel 6 or 7 I got it a few years back when I could afford it but now rent and bills and stuff were inflamed. Now I can't really afford enough food for a week

[muted kayak]

Your pixel phone is definitely more expensive than a brand new Quest 2.

[buoyant arch]

I got it when it was cheap back when I could afford it, my dad got fired Twice because we didn't have a car now we only get 100 a week for food and stuff

We give most of that to our grandparents because we live with them

[split lake]

"Yeah bro, just stop being poor"

[naive bluff]

Is that for or against?

[balmy pilot]

they can still play they just need an optimized avatar. Not everyone has a good phone that can run a bunch of very poor

[buoyant arch]

Like an avatar around 1-2mil polygons when it's supposed to have 15k polygons

[balmy pilot]

Lol I ain't showing that on PC even

That's just a bad avatar

[orchid owl]

You drive me Kazy

[gray flare]

Anyone else having issues being unable to hear other people? I tried with just my devices normal speakers and a pair of blue tooth ear buds, bud I can't hear other people even though they can hear me fine.

I had no problems with world audio though

[native igloo]

If CPU usage be high, often cause that issue as per as I know.

[chilly oak]

Don't you just love, when they take the control away from you to even show or use avatars at very poor or more than 10MB? And here i was thinking, it would be my fault, if i have lagging issues by disabling certain "hiding" features. But now i can't even disable them, rendering literally every quest compatible avatar i have useless.

[modest crown]

I can only see my fallback? Other avatars show in the preview but the change doesn't take

Yesterday they all loaded fine.

How do I bypass this BS forcing me to only see my own fallback

[hybrid tendon]

You can't bypass it...

[balmy pilot]

Get an optimized avatar. 🤷‍♂️

this has been there forever

[pearl mulch]

Very poor avatars cannot be shown on the Android build at all so I would recommend using a better optimized Avatar

[modest crown]

It worked yesterday though. Ran fine on my phone. So they changed it. Because of peasent phones

[hybrid tendon]

Actually...

[pearl mulch]

I guess they figured it would be kind of stupid to be able to see your very poor Avatar but no one else be able to see it

And kind of the point of bringing this to Android phones is so everyone can play VR chat

[hybrid tendon]

iOS user: where da banana?

[modest crown]

I was using it to show my RL friends my avatars and their toggles.

[hybrid tendon]

Gotcha

[native igloo]

for very poor avatar...once new fallback system comes in to effect, be better.

[balmy pilot]

So when you connect a controller, it seems to disable flick select automatically. Disconnecting and restarting VRChat seemed to reenable it for me though.

[rugged yoke]

I have a avatar that has 2 android uploads and it crashes android users only

not quest

[balmy pilot]

does uploading it on a new slot still crash android users?

[hasty stratus]

oi man, no need to poor shame

[warm creek]

Have they not heard of people who pay their phones off over years either >.>

It’s easier to pay off a 1000$ phone over 24 months compared to buying a 419$ quest 2 up front

[willow ore]

having same issue

[raw smelt]

Probably because the Avis ranked as very poor

Mobile doesn’t support very poor ranked Avis

[willow ore]

same avis was seen yesterday unless they updated it?

[raw smelt]

Check if they’re very poor ranked

If they aren’t then idk

[willow ore]

no worries thank u so is this a change as they worked previously?

[modest crown]

Well it did support but they disabled it for some reason.

[raw smelt]

Very poor Avis weren’t supposed to be showing up? It’s mentioned in the blog thing but idk

[modest crown]

They showed up just fine for me when the app launched. An update removed the ability to see very poor. I guess that "support" was an accident.

[raw smelt]

It’s for optimization reasons

[ancient birch]

To respond to you, Bluetooth issues are widely known.

I guess it hasn't been fixed but it's a big issue atm. I know audio is also occasionally an issue outside og LBuetooth devices

I don't plan on playing Android VRC much seeing as my phone can't handle too many things downloaded. I am just using it to record development videos for YT. Doesn't seem like much has chanegd yet so

haven't posted my video yet. Still working on my video..

[echo lynx]

Where they gonna get an optimized avi that they actually like tho..

If they don't have a pc don't you dare say blender. istg

[balmy pilot]

tyat's on avatar creators then

[echo lynx]

._.

The only ones really optimized are fallbacks and meme ones or flat images.

I know cause I spent a whole day looking for android compatible avatars

[balmy pilot]

blame people for not optimizing then. if they don't have a pc then they're not gonna have a phone that can handle unoptimized avatars

[echo lynx]

oof.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just saying the options atm to choose from are extremely low. And what there is may not fit their preferences.

[ancient birch]

Personally, I think it's just the time it takes some people to make things optimized.

[echo lynx]

thats why people dont really do it is cause it takes a while.

[ancient birch]

I may not know much, but I do know some people that have made avatars don't make their models quest compatible because there's just no way or easy way withotu going througha tedious process ><

[echo lynx]

Yeah basically. Or the avi needs cutout shaders for things like eyelashes and when converted to quest it just turns into a thick line of black

[balmy pilot]

Hopefully people are spurred to instead of giving up

[ancient birch]

I am angry I have only made 6 minutes worth of a speech out of my 25 minute video. I am excited to post this but hhhh

[echo lynx]

kinda doubt really. I mean it kinda made me just like not wanna touch any of my personal avis.

The ones I had bought I had done a lot of editing on as it and had to rework the whole toggle menu myself, fix the gogo loco, hand gestures and edited different textures, changed eye textures.

So to me I would have to decimate the model, pray it doesnt break, Repeat that WHOLE PROCESS and pray it works and just thinking about it is very discouraging.

[ancient birch]

The frustration of making something quest compatible

[echo lynx]

basically

And older models always have what I like to call crab syndrome

[ancient birch]

That's crazy I use stickers outside the server ONCE and they take away my permissions

well just overall

Curse youuuuuu /j

[echo lynx]

They made it so server boosters could

[ancient birch]

Fine

;3

:3*

[ancient birch]

I had some to spare not really I just transfered-

[echo lynx]

I transfered mine too lol

[ancient birch]

Lmaooo Transfer buddies I'll stop

[echo lynx]

[boreal moss]

Mmm? My main PC Avatar is "Good" and my Main Quest avatar is also "Good" I wouldn't say it's even hard to optimize stuff as long as you do it...

It's just people complaining, boohoo my avatars can't have x or y.

[echo lynx]

[ancient birch]

I mean I think with your assumed attitude I wouldn't even want to optimize my avatar lol Even if I could

[boreal moss]

If you had ever used SDK2 you should know the best "trick" for making your avatars optimized, which is split every outfit into their own avatar.

And it works wonderfully.

Though it's a bit more involved than that.

[ancient birch]

I didn't use SKD2. And this isn't SKD2 anymore. Lol

This is SKD3 now

[boreal moss]

No the point is, SDK2 has no Expression Menu so you were forced to split every clothing into new avatar, and that made the avatar more optimized.

[echo lynx]

And subject all my friends to load the same model 50 times with no in game customizability whatsoever. Oh and lets not use 3.0 toggles as well.

[ancient birch]

Fr

[ancient birch]

[boreal moss]

It won't matter when your model is 10 MB

[ancient birch]

SO my point is, not everyone wants to do what you do.

[echo lynx]

It does matter for my friends with slow wifi

[boreal moss]

I don't care whenever you want to do, but it will impact other people's experience negatively.

[ancient birch]

me and my very unoptimized 214 MB avatar

it's just a Rex with clothing and a spell system using poiyomi.

[ancient birch]

Well if you care so much maybe share with the class step by step how you do it with SKD3?

Maybe then we can all have fun

[echo lynx]

Literally, none of my avis are particles or wardrobe heavy tbh

[boreal moss]

Oh I'm actually planning on making indepth video tutorial on VRChat SDK development and go through everything literally.

[ancient birch]

Mine probably are. At least my hair

[echo lynx]

Like most of them are comfy smole avis

[boreal moss]

Both worlds and avatar SDK.

[ancient birch]

Ahead of schedule I like this one /j

[boreal moss]

Well, I'll prerecord it entirely and then edit and then only upload it but it should be even better than VRChat's own documentation once it's out.

[echo lynx]

I just hate the whole mentality of," because I can do it so can everyone else".

Not only that but most of the videos I watched I got so lost because either version or the shortcuts are different. They are using terms that I was unfamiliar with or saying certain menus I was unsure to get to.

[ancient birch]

I think anyone's video is better than VRC Documentation, sorry VRC Team

[ancient birch]

That's me with everything. blender or Unity tutorials :/

Luckily I use VRC Fury for toggles but clothing isn't difficult

[hasty stratus]

that adds up tho, doesn't it?

[echo lynx]

I didnt know vrc fury was a thing for a long time so I did everything the hard way

[boreal moss]

Yeah I'm very aware of these pitfalls, that's why my tutorial explains everything from ground up completely translated to layman terms in a video essay form kinda.

I won't show anything specific but only show how to use the SDK3 properly.

[echo lynx]

Just those tutorials also kinda assumed you had a lil bit of knowledge

Like always

[boreal moss]

I do have, lots of it.

But I wanna make it easily accessible.

To someone who doesn't.

Not even a single bit

[echo lynx]

I mean like how they say stuff in the tutorials make it seem like they think the audience kind of has a clue what they are doing

[boreal moss]

It doesn't matter who watches it, will understand everything

[ancient birch]

I still need to learn how animations work

[boreal moss]

Even if they never touched Unity

or Blender or VRChat SDK

[ancient birch]

Liek the dancing or the little boop animations

[echo lynx]

When I see things in a video, I have so many questions as to like well why do we do this? but like they dont explain that like ever

[boreal moss]

Well, I understand what you mean. This is why I hate video tutorials with passion. And I'm a strong believer in text documentation and just experimenting. That's why I want to turn that text based information into something visual in a way that literally anyone can learn to use to use the SDK with ease. Which means for example, if I discuss animations I will teach the entirety of Animators and Animations in single video and why they work like that and what is the proper usage of them.

Of course these videos won't save you if you don't even have interest to learn, but if you do it will teach you probably more than anyone else ever did.

[echo lynx]

I had so many videos saved for things like blender, optimizing, reptopology, Sculpting, avatar creation and world creation, animations, toggles. Like all of it. I wanted to learn but I always got stuck on certain things. Or while trying to make a world at one point, I got discouraged because the project kept crashing and I would lose all my progress.

[boreal moss]

Yes but imagine video series that explains all the concepts of VRChat SDK and all it's related Unity components in like video series while never explaining anything specific but rather concepts for how to use these functionality. I will give you the information and explain why it works like this. That's it.

There won't be anything else available.

Because animations, toggles, radiant puppets, etc. All go into a single umbrella which is "Animators"

And once you know how animators work, you can do anything with it.

[echo lynx]

I suppose but still. It's just a frustrating program. Even tho I still work with unity I lot unity even burns me out to the point that I don't wanna touch it.

[boreal moss]

Well, you get "burnout" or frustrated precisely because you're trying to do something you don't even understand the basic essence of.

It's rather futile to force yourself to do something when you don't understand what you're working with.

[fast pendant]

How tf do you diasable push to talk in mobile?

And also how do you enable other people's avatars

Because for some reason i cant aim at people in this mode?

[echo lynx]

I forced myself to learn unity, at least the basics of it for what I wanted to accomplish. The frustration part normally from the facts that it takes while for the whole process. And when unity crashes on me that also is like an alt f4 moment.

[echo lynx]

Open menu tap on select user

button

[fast pendant]

BRUH

Wait is it there?

[boreal moss]

The fact that Unity crashes, is not unheard of. But every time I've worked on my projects Unity has not crashed a single time.

[echo lynx]

you can only disable push to talk if you have headphones connected.

[fast pendant]

Wait really? Ril

Rip

[echo lynx]

because without head
phone your phone is also picking up the game sounds on the mic too

[fast pendant]

Isnt that the same with a laptop kek

[boreal moss]

Well, this is why we've made Noise suppression technology, but I guess some phones have really bad mic placement.

[echo lynx]

They tend to

mine is near the speaker

So I go to quiet areas until the bluetooth thing is fixed

or i just type

[boreal moss]

Oh while I believe this conversation is done, I want to briefly mention something. Do you enjoy making content for VRChat, if not. Why are you doing it?

[fast pendant]

Wait it says avatar is too high?

Like what? Seriously

[echo lynx]

I do enjoy it. But When you do something so much doesn't it ever get tiring? I have many hobbies simply because I enjoy learning.

Just cause I get burnt out from it doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. But it just means that I take breaks from it and go back to it at a later point.

[nova ravine]

I honestly wanna know if VRChat Android will be able to handle meetups

[fast pendant]

Def

[echo lynx]

Heck I love vr but I even get burnt from that too

[fast pendant]

Maube buy a fan cooler for your phone

[boreal moss]

To start my response, no I don't think it will get boring. I also love learning and despite that I do the same things over and over again, but every time I improve.

Half of the fun is learning, and the second half is applying the knowledge you've learnt into actual action.

And you know, I used to get burnouts too and it's horrible. But what solved it for me was actually going outside, touching some grass. And sometimes doing other things I enjoy too.

For example, when I wake up I program for 12 hours, I go take an hour or two and then perhaps go watch some series or read a book then go to sleep.

By first doing work then rewarding myself with other things I enjoy doing it will essentially make me even more motivated to keep working.

My worst mistake so far was probably just giving up without even trying though.

Once I got over that stigma I actually realized I'm not as shit I thought I was, while I'm not really good either.

[echo lynx]

To me, it's kinda like uhm.

If you ate the same food all the time every time. Even if it was your favorite food. Eventually, it just doesn't taste as good anymore.

Good things come in moderation. But Since I have so many hobbies and interests I switch them up depending on the days. And theres some days that I just wanna chill or maybe just read a bit and kinda wind down.

[boreal moss]

Well, I suppose it's a good thing you're not a workaholic.

It has its own downsides...

[echo lynx]

[split lake]

I frantically spam ctrl + s after every change I make so crashes don't set me back nearly as much.

[hybrid tendon]

Same

[split lake]

Having a text based version as well would be nice for searching for specific things.

[muted kayak]

You probably hate it, but that's the case here.
If someone as random as me can do it, I'm pretty sure after watching a few videos, or getting helped with someone that actually knows how to use Unity and Blender (or also ask questions in #avatar-help), you can also do it.

[boreal moss]

Best I can offer is my own reference material for the video and the script, but writing that information in text format would be too much effort.

On top of making the video.

[split lake]

That's totally understandable

[muted kayak]

Does anyone else doesn't have any audio when you use bluetooth earphones ?

[worn drum]

Do in fact think i found a funny bluetooth audio bug, if you have audio playing from another app (spotify, in my scenario), opening vrchat will pause spotify but audio will work fine.. If you resume spotify playback it'll entirely kill vrchat's audio until either you restart it or it randomly decides to come back

[muted kayak]

In my case, I don't have any audio playing.
When I spawn in my home, everything is fine, but when I join a public instance, I don't have any audio anymore.

But tbh, audio in general have a lot of issues (microphone stuttering when low FPS, bluetooth issues, I need to restart my phone everytime I switch my audio output otherwise the microphone doesn't work, worlds have audio issues sometimes...)

[barren field]

I've noticed it seems to hang up a non-existent call when you first start it up, might have something to do with that

[ancient birch]

Yes they've mentioned on VRC trouble shooting before that Bluetooth audio issues are known

Maybe audio issues mainly are known as well.

[viral iron]

Question, how do I get my avatars to show? They won't load into the game

I am stuck as a default avatar

[wary plaza]

I don't know were else to type this but Will vrchat be working on the performance to very poor and make android look like quest or maybe in the future ? If u mind me asking

[frozen island]

Noticed something Odd. I have two version of my model, but both use the same quest model attached to it. One shows the Fallback, and one shows the actual quest model. But both PC models have the same quest model attached to it, with no modifications. Odd...

I wonder if this is a VRC Android Alpha problem, or just a problem on my end. Either way, opportunity for more testing which I don't mind doing lol

[wary plaza]

It's bc android is only good performance avis so if u have a friend that's on quest and the avi isn't good performance u won't see it

[mighty meadow]

Guys, I think my phone should be powerful enough for VRChat but I get strange lag spikes…
There are some moments where I'm smoothly around 60 FPS and some moments where I literally can't play with only one frame every 1/2 seconds.
My phone is a Xiaomi POCO F3, what do you think about that?

[wary plaza]

Is the avi ur wearing good performance ? Mind me asking

[frozen island]

Nope, both are "Very Poor" for queust models which is what confuses me. But one shows and one doesn't lol

[wary plaza]

Is the avi on the left good performance?

[frozen island]

Left (in my profile pic) is Very Poor, but shows one one and doesn't on the other

Right is a Good performance public Fallback

The weird thing is, the left model is a quest model that's attached to both versions of my PC avatar, only difference being clothing on the two PC ones. So in theory, both models on Android should show the avatar on the left, as I just had my quest friends confirm that they see the model on the left for both PC models.

[wary plaza]

Hmm, I'm not sure then 😭

[native igloo]

maybe....cause by other limitter, like avatar size or something.

[frozen island]

Actually, every Quest Compatible version on Android Mobile shows the Fallback (which makes sense if it's supposed to be Good performance avatars only) except the second version of my Winterpaw. That one shows the Poor Quest Winterpaw as intended. Might not be recognizing it as Very Poor, I'm guessing?

I mean, it is an alpha after all lol not really looking for help, just showing my weird findings about it and seeing if anyone else has seen the same issue.

Same results on both of my phones (Pixel 6, and Samsung Flip 4)

[cold steeple]

I noticed an update came out today. Did it change anything?

[native igloo]

you can read "What's New" on app detail

[mighty meadow]

Update: seems that even good-performing avatars aren't good for performance.

I had to disable everyone's avatar through the safety settings.

I still think that it could be due to a strange bug, I hope that updates will fix this.

[whole cape]

I took it to Midnight Rooftop, and the pattern of the five-second freezes did seem to match the loading of avatars.

[grizzled coral]

Does your phone have virtual memory, only having 6GB on my phone, but a further 6GB of RAM+ (virtual memory), my phone assumes it can load in more than it actually can, which leads to heavy stutters when loading in assets.

[whole cape]

I haven't checked but hope that android settings are stored separately from Quest settings, or on the client side. because i'll be doing way more avatar culling

[grizzled coral]

There isn't much that is saved between clients, almost all settings are saved locally. ("almost all" because there might be one, I do not remember)

[mighty meadow]

It has 6 GB of RAM but I don't know how to check if it has VRAM

Is there any quick way?

[grizzled coral]

On phones, just like the Quest, the RAM is the VRAM.

[whole cape]

I know the idea is patently ridiculous, but in another server I've met people who insist that this thing is going to support phone VR goggles, because controller support will make up for the way it obstructs the touchscreen. is there any such plan?

[grizzled coral]

Virtual memory is just fake RAM, literally your phone saving things that should be in RAM, on its own storage.

[mighty meadow]

Seems fair, phone memories are quite fast

[grizzled coral]

Don't think we've seen any indication of that.

[grizzled coral]

But leaves us with very little memory overall.

[mighty meadow]

That's a funny idea but there's no written plan on doing that.

Still I think it would be a nice touch, lol.

[mighty meadow]

Yeah.

Well, hope we'll eventually find a way to handle this, thanks for the help!

[grizzled coral]

VRAM is not the same as virtual memory. (GPU memory vs fake memory)

To check if your phone has virtual memory, go into its settings and there might be a section showing off how much memory is in use, if your phone has virtual memory then you can change it there.

I should really get around to testing if having virtual memory is what causes stutters on my device, but would be good to get others experiences as well.

[mighty meadow]

Gotcha

[orchid owl]

I wish that they would post a new update optimizing the worlds for android

[muted kayak]

I don't think so. Google Cardboard is dead anyways.

[muted kayak]

Every Quest worlds works on Android.

And every world on Android use the assets of the Quest version

[orchid owl]

Yeah but not without crashing even though i have 6gbs of ram

[barren field]

that's mostly down to the creators of the world tbh

[muted kayak]

if the world is lagging, it's either your phone not being that powerful, or just the creator of the world that didn't optimized the world correctly

[orchid owl]

My phone is the samsung galaxy s21 5g fe

[muted kayak]

All worlds and avatars are done by the community. If they aren't optimized, that's not VRChat's fault.

And VRChat's devs can't do anything except forcing people to optimize their content to use it on the platform (like VRChat blocked Very poor avatars, so creators actually optimize their avatars).

[orchid owl]

Yeah that i wish didn't happen because now i have so many avatars that i can't use including my lucifer morningstar avatar from the hit tv show on netflix

[muted kayak]

But if it didn't happen, people will complain that the game isn't optimize, like you or other people in this channel.

[orchid owl]

Well for awhile the game was working fine for quest 2

Then out of no where i started lagging in worlds

[whole cape]

some of that might have been the quest 2's OS taking more resources

[orchid owl]

And end up having to restart the game

[whole cape]

like, hand tracking must be using some resources when it's used

[orchid owl]

I don't think so because the quest worked fine before

[barren field]

I don't think there's been any knowledge of an update that's made the game run universally slower for quest, it could just be you've been joining less optimised worlds

[orchid owl]

The quest isn't the problem nor was it the worlds because i joined the same worlds before that and had no issues

However i do have issues with my phone that i hope is resolved one way or another

The android version tends to crash.

[muted kayak]

Meta never knew how to do good software. And updates after updates, the OS uses more and more performances for useless/forgetable features, and then it result in bad performances in games

[orchid owl]

Thats probably possible

I wonder why my quest 2 keeps staying on even though i didn't turn it on like for example the light on the side of the quest 2 is lit up even though the console is supposed to be off

It haven't done that before.

And now its constantly asking me to update the quest when i turn it off

[covert dagger]

Same here

It somehow keeps getting worse

[whole cape]

quest stuff is off-topic here but i've got a doozy. Sometimes I put the headset on and it's turned the volume all the way down. that never used to happen

[echo lynx]

that happens to me to. Mainly after I shut the quest off sometimes it will turn itself back on.

[raw smelt]

Mine used to do that try a new cord

Or just don’t leave plugged in a lot and it usually fixes itself

[whole cape]

Also randomly I have to reboot it to make the microphone work. android audio must be a mess because I notice you can't switch audio devices on android version, not without rejoining the room.

[cold steeple]

this happens 50 percens of the time

depends on the map

[hasty stratus]

unrelated but, YTP audio moment

[muted kayak]

Yep you're not also.
I hope they fix that because that's one of the 2 really annoying things of the Android version.

[fresh lion]

what is that world?

[analog lodge]

anyone got world with mobile optimized avatars since now very poor avatars are no longer usable i was wondering where to look from

[fresh lion]

I don't think that exists

[analog lodge]

i mean there are plenty maps but most mobile optimized are at performance rank very poor which are no longer usable if i wanna have invisible avatar im gonna use my fallback avatar but that aint helping on socialicing

[ancient birch]

This iscap if I've seen one.

I tried loading into the "Gumball Lounge 3.0" and my phone crashed before even showing the load in screen with the logo of the world.

Not phone, but the game crashed

[muted kayak]

That's just because your phone is not powerful enough, or VRChat on Android isn't optimized enough yet (it's a alpha version for now, don't forget that).

But all the assets of the world are 100% compatible on Android phones

[ancient birch]

Lol you're wearing so many caps rn

Unless you meant that world specifically I am literally doing a recording of me playing it. I AM SUPPOSED to post it today but trying to get a good voice ovr going...

My home world, the water is Pink, 2 pillows are pink, and soemthing on the wall is Pink.

[muted kayak]

Do you have this issue on Quest ?

[ancient birch]

Idfk. I don't use that trash headset anymore. I hated it

I am glad I upgraded

[muted kayak]

Then it can also be just an issue from the Quest version of the home

but again, don't forget that VRChat Android is not perfect and have some bugs

[ancient birch]

I haven't had anyone on wquest join me on that world yet, so I've no clue if it's Pink for them or not.

[muted kayak]

but technically, all Quest worlds can run on Android phones

Well, because Quest headsets run on Android

[ancient birch]

People's game crashes soemtimes when being in a quest world.

[muted kayak]

so all the content is built for Android

[ancient birch]

Or lags horrible-

IMO I think different phones work differently.

So not every world will run the same as others.

I loaded into a Loft world and I had liek 6 FPS

120 something Ping

Thats the problem I think, people will say something will work when it reality it's just about the phone's power

[muted kayak]

I never said all worlds will run as good as on Quest.
I said that all Quest worlds can run and works on Android.

Even if you have bad performances, the content itself still load (or at least try) and is build to the correct platform.

[ancient birch]

"Works" implies that's it is managable when in fact some worlds cannot even be that, or at least if I start lagging like hell I wouldn't consider that "Working"

I would consider thay a shit world for android.

[muted kayak]

@ancient birch What phone do you have ?

[grim lotus]

It is alpha, remember. We're working hard on performance issues!

[ancient birch]

Well you said it just then, "I never said all worlds will run as good on Quest" as if Mobile is it's own thing

[ancient birch]

Don't misunderstand me, I am not saying I don't understand that. I am just trying to imply that when one says a world works when another onesays they've had issues.

[muted kayak]

That's litteraly what I said 2 times

[ancient birch]

Samsung Galaxy A71

It's the lower tier end phones for Samsung

So I didn't expect the game to magically work phenomonally

[muted kayak]

Indeed your phone can barely run the game.

[ancient birch]

But again, it's my point

Android MOBILE seems to sound like it's own thing than Android VR

[muted kayak]

And doesn't mean that something run shit on your very low end phone that it's not good for android in general

some android phone are litteraly more powerful than a Quest 2 or Pro

[muted kayak]

Well, it is.

[ancient birch]

As Quest can universally work with any world that's compatible with it, versus Android that compatibility works would vary by phone

This is my issue

[muted kayak]

Let me try the world on my Redmi Note 10 Pro
Your phone have a Snapdragon 730, mine have a Snapdragon 732G

[ancient birch]

I personally feel like regardless of what the Devs say, even if it doesn't happen, I feel like the Android Mobile should have it's own build. Even if it is very tiresom for avatar and world creators. But the compatibility between different phones is just not at all the same as the quest. All Quests work the same with quest comp worlds. Not all phones work the same as the quest comp worlds

Every phone is just different.

So I guess not even a different build would help because every phone is so god damn different that it wouldn't matter

[muted kayak]

I feel like the Android Mobile should have it's own build
But how ? When uploading a world for Quest, on Unity you are already uploading it for Android.
Also what would be the restrictions ? And you do realise that uploading a version of the world for each phone is one of the worst idea ever ?

[ancient birch]

That's why I just said it doesn't matter anyway

[muted kayak]

The world loaded, but I got the garbage integrety error 💀

[ancient birch]

Every phone is so god damn different

[ancient birch]

Wlel it loaded for me too, but wouldn't even show the screen with the world logo

[muted kayak]

The screen with the "initializing world" message ?

[ancient birch]

yes I never got that

I was recording tho shrug

[muted kayak]

Well you just managed to download the world, not load it.
On my phone, the world fully loaded, but again I got the integrety check error

[grim lotus]

Do you have a lot of background processes going? A lot of issues we've been seeing lately seem to be related to low memory availability

[muted kayak]

Only the game was running. Tho the world was 98MB (so pretty big), and I had battery saver enabled.

And that's only on this world that I got the integrety issue

[grim lotus]

98 compressed could be just about anything decompressed... but yeah probably

I don't think battery saver would do anything but affect your FPS. I don't think integrity is related, more of a play store thing that's being worked on still

[ancient birch]

I mean I do have 2GB remaining od 6GB

LMAO

[muted kayak]

For me, it's not a deal breaker (well, I don't go in very big worlds often soo...).
But what is deal breaker is the microphone stuttering as hell (until my game reaches 15FPS and my voice is basically not understandable), and the random freezings.

[ancient birch]

I had a few menu freezing

[muted kayak]

For me it's litteraly the whole game that have a stroke

[ancient birch]

F*ck

[muted kayak]

But anyways, soon I'm switching to a Pixel 7a, which have 8GB of RAM and litteraly blows up my phone (performance-wise)

[ancient birch]

Man everyone seems to wanna get a Google Pixel now

Even my dad has one. I guess they are the new best thing

[muted kayak]

Well, software-wise, there isn't anything better from all Android phones (and in some ways, it's better than iOS)

The mid-range phone (the a phones) have litteraly the same chip as the high end one (just will less RAM)

and in general they are really good

[ancient birch]

DANG

The Google Pixel 7a is just 444

[muted kayak]

I will get it for 400€

[ancient birch]

USD.. That's NOT bad

Compared to Samsung Galaxy S models

[muted kayak]

The similar samsung phone of the 7a is the A54 5G, both have their pros and cons

but for my case, the Pixel 7a is much better

[ancient birch]

I don't need a 7 Pro

[muted kayak]

No you don't

[ancient birch]

But it is nice. 12GB of Ram. That's nuts

[muted kayak]

A 7a or just the 7 can be good for you

[ancient birch]

Well I betetr start saving lol

I liek my Samsung A71 tbh

I wouldn't be upgrading just for the game. More so the experience

[muted kayak]

Well, Pixel phones have a lot of good things

software like I mentioned

well, they get the new Android versions quicker than any other Android phone in the market, and they have a lot of IA features

also the photos done by the phones are really good

Pixel phones are litteraly called by most Youtubers "the smartest phones".

[ancient birch]

I love the way they are indeed

[worn drum]

The only downside to them is they are slower than latest galaxy phones when it comes to raw compute and gpu performance, everything else is really good

Especially when you consider you can actually unlock the bootloaders and develop custom roms for them, which has the potential for even better performance and battery life, alongside extending the overall lifespan of the devices once google stop producing software updates, unlike samsung phones nowadays where this is impossible on most models except for some exynos chips

[muted kayak]

Comparing a Pixel 7a and a A54 5G (around the same price), the Pixel is more powerful.
Comparing a Pixel 7 Pro and a S23 Ultra, indeed the S23 Ultra is more powerful.

[worn drum]

Even vs the s21 it loses

source: i own both

It's mainly just down to google still experimenting with making their own silicon, it'll get better over time, but at the moment it's a decent chunk worse (also isn't great at handling thermals)

[fresh lion]

Ywah I own S21 aswell

It is very

ass

[worn drum]

Samsung software makes me want to jump off a cliff

at least it isn't nearly as bad as the old touchwiz days though, oneUI is MUCH better

[fresh lion]

Imagine trying vrc on a kindle fire

[worn drum]

oh shit wait youve actually given me an idea

[fresh lion]

Don't tell me you're actually

[worn drum]

I've wanted to get a kindle device to do funny firmware things anyways because i've heard they are weirdly locked down, so this just gives me more excuses to buy one

End up turning it into a hwmonitor display or some shit afterwards

[fresh lion]

I have one

It is alright for firmware

Other then that though it is kinda useless

[worn drum]

👀 there are some models with 4gb ram

If i can manage to throw lineage or something extremely lightweight onto it, this may actually be doable

👀 i might actually be able to justify this, not right now, but a next paycheck adventure

[muted kayak]

After all Tensor chips are just exynos...

[worn drum]

That was actually news to me, little bit of googling and they seem to just be based offa exynos.. so just think of exynos but on crack basically

[calm ember]

They're based off of exynos

[vocal phoenix]

Lol for some reason i can only see fallbacks, is this a bug? I have quest compatibles it worked yesterday lmao, if I am in a discord call with a bluetooth headset, audio also stops working after a min or two

[worn drum]

For fallbacks, only poor and better avatars will show on mobile (eventually, will be the same on quest)

Bluetooth audio (and audio in general) does seem to have quite a lot of bugs though

[vocal phoenix]

Oh, yesterday very poor worked, i guess its something they enforced on their side

[worn drum]

Ye there was an update to the app to fix the limitation

[vocal phoenix]

Sheesh

Imma go cry

Jk

[worn drum]

If you just set the "block poorly optimized avatars" setting to very poor, everythign else will show by default as you don't need to worry about very poor anyways now

if you see a fallback, just assume it can't be shown at that point

[vocal phoenix]

I dont see myself actually using android haha, it runs pretty well though that i have to give them credit for, but text boxes pretty bad design

Lel

Also just a wish from me, at add a dedicated standing button, and use vectors for the buttons, as they look blurry

The battery yesterday it showed the incorrect level

Lol

[worn drum]

Yeah that still happens xd

[vocal phoenix]

Yup

[worn drum]

37% if its hard to read xd

I've also seen the signal indicators be massively off

[vocal phoenix]

Yup

Buttons are also huge on my phone

Its not criminal to shrink them acording to the screen dpi

Foldable phones problems

Better to big than to small tho

[grizzled coral]

While I know that that warning exists (and has existed for a long time), since you state that with such confidences has anything new been stated.

[cosmic cobalt]

No, it’s conjecture at this point

However, I imagine if things are going significantly better on android they may be applied to quest too. The devs are adamant about not backing down from the No very poor on android stance

[flat latch]

Hi guys, I'm new here. I want to know if you need to pay to access the ve chat mobile alpha to access it?

[analog lodge]

You need to have active vrc+ sub to get into vrc mobile alpha

[flat latch]

oh what a pity, I don't have that. the little I did see chat was on PC

[analog lodge]

Yes vrc is avaible for pc on steam

[fathom compass]

Mine don't even work T-T

[ancient birch]

i can't wait to post my YT video. hate that the recording quality isn't as good as I hoped. had to record in bits ;w;

Its about VRCMobile

Minds well call it MobileChat

[karmic ether]

No way they have it on phone

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-shocked-face-whoa-really-wow-gif-17146534

[vale lark]

Are we allowed to chat in here if we dont have vrchat plus?

[vale lark]

Vrchat barley works for laptop/pc, it lags all the time and its hard to fix the settings, i just hope the mobile version runs smoothly

[barren field]

yea

[vernal plaza]

Jest out of curiosity if there a link to get that app ?? 🤔

[barren field]

it's at the top of #android-announcements

[vernal plaza]

@barren field oh okie thank you 🙂

[muted kayak]

that will be fixed

there are a lot of bugs pending to be fixed

[analog lodge]

Sorry to hear that either your laptoo/pc are too weak spec wise or you hang around with too many unoptimized avatars
Im getting steady 60fps on my oneplus 11 in mobile version then again im using vrc own settings to gain that like hide avatars that are more than 6 meters away from me and such

Also question to others here is 60fps max what you can get i set my oneplus 11 on 120hz mode and still on vrc i get only 60 fps i went and capped at 120 but vrc didnt go over 60

[fathom bronze]

so mobile vrchat is broken?

like DAMN broken

if a model has over 1k poly on it or it uses anything besides default vrchat shaders, it ether wont render or will just show black

[hybrid tendon]

VRChat mobile after running it at 120 FPS. The steep was when I played it, sheesh

[fathom bronze]

DAMN

[hybrid tendon]

41 minutes of it

[fathom bronze]

"fullcharge will last about a day"

hmmmmm

[hybrid tendon]

That varies on usage, really

[gusty snow]

This is why I limit it to 30fps.

But there appears to be a bug where FPS cap is not respected at startup and you need to change setting in order for it to actually apply.

[hybrid tendon]

Yep

That's what I have too

[ancient birch]

Pretty freakin angry rn

I wanted to record more content on VRC but is the new default of the game on portrait mode now????

Because I have landscape on, and it's STILL going to portrait mode.

I do not want this 💀

Just for it to chnage into landscape only for the Big menu

And wtf is up with making even quest compatible avatars still having FALLBACKS???

I was able to use one of them in particular before, I changed nothing in my menu, and now suddenly that model has to have a FALLBACK?

[barren field]

They got rid of very poor avatars on mobile without the option to turn them back on

[ancient birch]

Just don't be a crap app on mobile

Simple

It's obvious using the quest compatibility isn't the exact same.

[ancient birch]

Nvm the game was just being dumb...

I like the idea of having VRC on android but now that it's out I feel like it was probably best off of mobile phones...

Unlike quest, there are wayyy too different experiences for people to have, be it bad or good, in my case bad, because of how different phones are made.

[muted kayak]

You have a low end phone that barely run the game, and you complain that you can't see unoptimized avatars.
After 3-4 very poor avatars, your phone would crash.

[half tapir]

Rip battery life

Vrchat definitely gonna destroy battery life of people who play it often on phone lmao

Poor batteries

[half tapir]

It seems to basically only run fine on high end anyways

Low end can't even start the game since low end doesn't have enough RAM

[muted kayak]

If your phone is less powerful than the Quest 2, of course it will run worse than the Quest version.

[half tapir]

I've a midrange phone. Dunno the exact specs though.

[muted kayak]

what phone is it ?

[half tapir]

Redmi note 10 pro

[muted kayak]

Bruh we have the same phone

But it's pretty low end for VRChat

[half tapir]

I get less than 20 fps after a few minutes

[hybrid tendon]

Yep...

[half tapir]

In the beginning fine but i guess overheating destroys the performance

[muted kayak]

I can last 3h in VRChat

[hybrid tendon]

Yeah, the phone has to throttle the performance for a bit so it can protect the battery

[half tapir]

With battery life i don't mean a single charge

Battery life is how healthy your battery is

Battery degrades over time, especially if put under a lot of stress and heat

Which vrchat does put it under

So people playing VRChat on phone will see their batteries dying faster

Result is battery will last shorter from a single charge after a while

Batteries just hate heat

[muted kayak]

but that's the same for all games soo...

[half tapir]

Yeah but there aren't a lot of games as intensive as vrchat

Most games are simple in graphics and don't use much processing power

Candy crush ain't gonna bring your phone to it's edge

[hybrid tendon]

I play VOEZ, a music rhythm game, and it drains my battery nowhere as much as VRChat mobile

[dark path]

this is why I like these things called 🌈 custom roms 🌈
the joys of a pixel while only owning a poco x3 nfc

and I get the joys of being on a snapdragon soc

[hexed iris]

Aight, so I downloaded a game plug in that tracks the temperature of the phone's chip while gaming. Needless to say, both the Snapdragon 888 and 8 Gen 1 reaches temperatures of 43 degrees Celcius and frame rates being to stutter and freeze up at times. Would it be the game's overall engine that'll get better overtime, the world (since it's obviously community made), or a combination of both?

[thorny star]

You are making a false assumption that performance is going to improve over time