android-discussion

[echo lynx]

Do they make actual people models

Or furry?

[proud dagger]

Have you ever stepped in a public or friends plus? You have to show almost every single avatar there every time

It's good people make good quality avatars but you go everywhere and they're all blocked all the time

[grand zenith]

Both are 3d models?
Furry is just a genre of avatar

[echo lynx]

But the bases are different in retrospect to polygons.

[grand zenith]

I mean a lot of bases are made for PC. So they just retopo them.
Most of the time a quod remesh will be usable lol

[echo lynx]

The thing is. People can't fix their avis. People also Buy them.

[wild pebble]

Fixed my stadia controller. Gamer hours are back 😎

[echo lynx]

And may not have access to a computer to do it.

Then all the public comfy small ones are unusable

like nonys.

[grand zenith]

Yes, but, a lot my friends are makers. Most have 3+ coms in the works at a time. Anyone with a little skill can make an avatar that is okay for quest.
Plus if you don't have a PC, you are limited to cloning avatars, ie not the people I'm talking about.

[dawn zealot]

a very high ammount of Quest avatars are Very poor.

[echo lynx]

To me its just extremely biased. Its still apart of the issue. Just cause you werent talking directly about it does not mean it goes unaffected.

It something to consider

not ignore.

Because of experience..

[grand zenith]

It's not really vrc's fault they are acting upon the rules they have set out that people ignored lol

[echo lynx]

It was not a hard rule. It was a somewhat guideline

[cosmic cobalt]

Correct

[molten furnace]

a10e

[grand zenith]

Yes, but with android it is so, what's your point

[echo lynx]

The point is that this is removing and kind of punishing anyone who doesn't even have a private avatar or the knowledge or means to optimize it themselves.

No one really likes being a fallback as the actual avatar.

[grand zenith]

I can almost guarantee that with enough people complaining about it vrc will buckle and allow it.
But imo I think they should stick to this and keep it poor and up

[cosmic cobalt]

Don’t speak for us, a lot of players like myself like using things people can actually see by default

[echo lynx]

Thats a small amount.

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s literally not, you’re just an e-boy who has to use tda bases

[grand zenith]

Most very poor avatars on quest is just a PC avi that was yolo uploaded to Quest

[echo lynx]

Im not even a boy.

[cosmic cobalt]

Okay e-girl same diff

[echo lynx]

I cant even use my furry avatar on my account.

[blissful flint]

hm never heard of it

[grand zenith]

Well hop into blender then and fix it

[cosmic cobalt]

So real

[echo lynx]

I tried but it breaks.

[grand zenith]

That is a you issue not a vrc issue

[cosmic cobalt]

Dissolve loops manually

[echo lynx]

I have no clue how to.

[cosmic cobalt]

Don’t just press the funny cats button that destroys your uvs and normals

[echo lynx]

I cant even get unity to open atm.

I need it open in unity so I can grab the fbx.

[grand zenith]

That's the point, anyone with a bit of skill does not have this issue of can't see people's avatars.

[cosmic cobalt]

Yeah just watch sipp’s tutorial, it’s a good starting point

I just self taught myself avatar optimization over the course of 6 months of experimenting in my free time

[echo lynx]

I have been converting pc avis for Quest for ages.

[cosmic cobalt]

Clearly not well

[echo lynx]

Thanks.

[cosmic cobalt]

Yw

[grand zenith]

Hell yeah, I'm 6||(?)|| years deep at this point. I don't even show VP avis on PC kek

[cosmic cobalt]

Oh same

My worst avatar on PC is poor because of a light source

And my worst avatar on quest is my lone very poor because it’s a game rip model that cannot be edge loop dissolved due to triangulation, but tri count is the only factor over and I optimized every other facet

I feel like they should raise the tri count for quest/mobile since it’s arguably the lightest factor

[grand zenith]

Imo the mentality of how red can you go is trash, people should be optimizing avatars for the platform.

[cosmic cobalt]

I think 35k to 40k would be a good middle ground

[grand zenith]

(also try quod remesh tool for blender. It will mess with the weight paint but it will make it not all tri's)

[cosmic cobalt]

I aim for Quest Medium and PC Good if possible, but sometimes I can only do Poor before it starts looking very janky

[cosmic cobalt]

I just usually try the tris to quads function but that has varied degrees of success

I need to use blender soon, I’m starting to forget the workflow since I’ve been using maya exclusively lately

[echo lynx]

I lower vram and polys and things without ruining how things look. Because I prefer smoothness.

Acting like its my fault for not knowing how to properly do this doesn't really help the point.
It hurt. I want to learn how to but when you look at it from knowing nothing it is extremely overwhelming. And simply not having the time for it either doesn't help.

[cosmic cobalt]

Vram is like

The easiest thing in the world to fix next to atlasing materials

Tris are hard if the model is already triangulated

But otherwise dissolving edges that aren’t on UV seams and don’t create ngons is pretty simple

[grand zenith]

Well, it's really sent really the chat to learn, #avatar-help has people that will walk you through it step by step.
We are talking about brod strokes about the android build. And it's perf limit

[swift token]

blender handles tris to quads quite easily as long as you don't edit the mesh while you're in tri mode

always edit models with everything possible converted to quads

[cosmic cobalt]

Yep

That’s like rule one of what my modeling class taught me

Never use tris or ngons if you can at all help it

[swift token]

its kinda like editing assembly code for a program

[cosmic cobalt]

Edge flow is everything

[swift token]

sure, you can do it, but you're going to mess things up. go back to your pre-compiled source code. not a great analogy but still

[cosmic cobalt]

No it makes complete sense

[echo lynx]

I am done arguing over it. I have tried before in here to get help and to understand but whenever I did I was just met with "idk".

I got tired of trying to do it cause it would break Everything.

[cosmic cobalt]

There’s also just the issue of this model having LOTS of little parts and some weird topology for things like a mantle

By the way Tupper can you confirm something about mobile I heard from a friend?

[echo lynx]

And having it crash and lose all progress was enough.

[cosmic cobalt]

Someone told me that some poor avatars can’t be enabled on android either

[echo lynx]

they cant.

[swift token]

i only followed your convo back a little bit but reducing compelxity of PC models down for quest to hit the limit is definitely hard! it takes time to learn, effort, sweat, etc. it isn't an overnight thing, especially if you do it right.

[cosmic cobalt]

Took me 6 months on and off to get proficient with it lol

[swift token]

Poor is fine IIRC, you have to set your perf limit to Poor instead of Medium (which is default)

[cosmic cobalt]

Gotcha

[swift token]

if you want proof you can have amazing looking Quest avatars, look at the public avs

[cosmic cobalt]

So 99% of my content should be safe lol

[swift token]

Some are simplistic sure, but some of them are just

[cosmic cobalt]

Oh yeah I’m aware I’m an optimized quest avatar dev

[echo lynx]

I cant. Because quest avis are very poor.

[cosmic cobalt]

I have 93 avatars on my account and only one is very poor on quest

[swift token]

Huh?

No they aren't

[echo lynx]

Most public ones are

[swift token]

I'm talking about the featured ones

the "defaults"

[echo lynx]

I like not defaults.

[cosmic cobalt]

Go to my world lol, it has over 100 avatars from me and my friends and only 3 are very poor

[swift token]

That's fine, but I'm telling you that its possible to make high quality quest avatars well within limits for Medium or better

it's a good place to look for inspiration

[echo lynx]

Yeah but the main point is that this will effect people who dont know what they are doing or where to even

It renders all my private avis as unusable that I have put lots of work into

[swift token]

definitely. people won't know what to do, or where to go to learn to start. that's how PC avatars were too, back in 2017 (when i started playing) and the poly limit was 20k.

[cosmic cobalt]

Ooh I remember that

[swift token]

but we learned! lots of modelers came out of that time. they're pros now

[cosmic cobalt]

And tons of people just used modded sdks to get around the limit

[swift token]

a few of them get paid The Big Bucks at this point >_>

[cosmic cobalt]

Also here's that weird triangulation I was talking about

[swift token]

I do wanna note that converting avatars from PC to Quest will always be way harder than creating from scratch

[cosmic cobalt]

The mantle was made with some tris

[echo lynx]

Yeah and I have been converting for ages

[swift token]

Yeah tris are being used there for squish points for the cloth

[cosmic cobalt]

Also yeah making avatars for Quest is WAY easier than converting I can confirm that

[swift token]

there's definitely some places tris will fold to quads easily on that model

[cosmic cobalt]

I had limited myself to 15k for my first base and I only hit 11k

[boreal moss]

I didn't really look much into the conversation, but I do wanna say that making the tri count lower is the easy part, The blender has a really good decimation tool inbuilt if you have even a little blender experience.

But the issue arises within adding Physic Bone components and due to their heavy limit it's hard to make the avatars look as alive as on PC.

[swift token]

Decimation is... it's an attractive trick but it really isn't ideal

[cosmic cobalt]

Decimation is a last resort for me

[swift token]

Random decimation is terrible, the "best" decimation that's nodestructive is planar but its still awful.

[cosmic cobalt]

If I simply can't find any edges to dissolve, I decimate then fix the normals

[swift token]

It's just not something you should use

[boreal moss]

It depends, I usually split the model into 3 parts, Head, Hands and Body. Then use an inbuilt blender decimation and I still have all of my shape keys intact.

[swift token]

PhysBone limits are pretty damn generous for mobile/quest, esp considering the limit before was uh... zero

[cosmic cobalt]

Oh absolutely, Physbones are amazingly optimized

I've hit the Quest physbone limit like once ever

And that's because a collider I had stopped working once it dipped into poor territory, so I had to optimize it down to medium physbone usage

[boreal moss]

Yes fair enough, they are surely generous but it's just well. It's a bit hard to add them to both clothing and hair when you only have 4 root components to work with.

[cosmic cobalt]

You have 6 before it becomes poor

And 2 more after that

[boreal moss]

And that's not optimal.

[swift token]

We spent a LOT of time benchmarking PhysBones to ensure it wouldn't impact Quest (and eventually mobile) too much, and the numbers we came to are about as generous as we could hit

I would not expect them to be bumped any time soon :S

I had to argue for more

so, while I definitely understand it's tough... work with what you've got! get creative :S

[echo lynx]

I even converted God runner ffs

this is a PC only avi that I converted to be usable on quest.

[swift token]

[boreal moss]

Fair enough, I would just hope they would be bumped for "Android" in specific because normal Android phones are far more powerful than the Quest platform.

[rustic swan]

Hello, on android version many quest avatars not showing , because they have many polygons 😭 sad face. can you add toggle for ignore avatar perfomance cheks?

[barren field]

That just defeats the purpose of clothing

[swift token]

... three hundred and twenty two thousand polygons??

on a mobile SOC???

[echo lynx]

Body and hair are most of them

[barren field]

Gotta love when the polycount is greater than the world

[swift token]

28 skinned meshes?!?!

[cosmic cobalt]

I think I just threw up in my mouth

[lilac delta]

With the quest 3 being released soon and the quest 1 being a thing of the past, maybe increase the poly amount just a bit more to make some very poor avatars poor due to the poly? And i am awake blender is a thing but not everyone is that good with computers

[echo lynx]

It was a pc avi originally first of all

[cosmic cobalt]

Not gonna happen

[swift token]

I understand that...

[echo lynx]

That was how it was MADE

[cosmic cobalt]

Then

Fix it??

[echo lynx]

And I did the best that I could using only UNITY

[swift token]

Ah, gotcha

[cosmic cobalt]

Using only Unity is not optimized though

[echo lynx]

even With Polytool.

[cosmic cobalt]

As I saw someone put it, that's quest compatible at best and quest hostile at worst

[echo lynx]

It has never lagged me

[cosmic cobalt]

I HIGHLY doubt that

[swift token]

Yes it has. :S

[echo lynx]

._.

[swift token]

So... "conversion" isn't just slapping "Android mode" on the SDK and changing all the materials to Std Light.

[echo lynx]

It hasnt. Because i dont have 50 avis shown at once

[swift token]

But... that's a flaw.

[echo lynx]

No.

[cosmic cobalt]

Okay but OPTIMIZED is being able to show 50 avatars at once and NOT crashing

[echo lynx]

Some of these conversions I had to remake textures for

[swift token]

No Davil, that's operational, not optimized lol

[barren field]

I think that's closer to "the bare minimum" instead of optimized

[swift token]

yeah

[echo lynx]

^^

Besides having everyone shown is never a good play even if your pc can handle it.

[cosmic cobalt]

I mean at that point even with 50 excellent avatars shown Quest would lag I mean

[tepid dagger]

So... android comes in clutch for filming tiktoks for quest. Just saying.
(Wish it allowed very poor avatars though 😭😭)

[lilac delta]

You are great at making optimized quest avatars, but you is not everyone. Also the question was for tupper not you lol

[modern zinc]

Could it be an option to see/use very poor avis?

[swift token]

I have everyone shown >_>

[swift token]

No, we're firm on not permitting Very Poor avatars on mobile.

[tepid dagger]

Does your computer have a terabyte of ram?

[cosmic cobalt]

Now I feel surprisingly motivated to fix my one Quest very poor >_>

[swift token]

My VRPC has 64GB but I rarely go above ~20GB used

[tepid dagger]

If not, then how's the imposter system coming along?

[swift token]

its goin!

hoping before EOY

we'll see

[echo lynx]

Tupper if I see you in vrchat imma go for your heccking ankle like a Chihuahua

.>

Its not the best thing to do because you dont know what everyone is gonna be or if it will make you uncomfortable, screen effects, avatar sounds, SIZE. Also isn't your pc like 50k? Most people have rigs around 1k to 4k.

[tepid dagger]

I deadass forgot it was announced til a friend messaged me last night.

[boreal moss]

Anyways, I would like to ask you one question, Tupper. Will the Android platform have perhaps more "leeway" in terms of "limitations" after all most Android phones come with minimum of 6/8/12 GB of RAM now a days which is usually the primary factor for well, performance in general with systems with unified memory since all system components share the same memory.

But at the same time, Android SoCs are also far more powerful than the Snapdragon 835/XR2 that empowers the Quest/Quest2 platforms.

They have higher CPU clocks, higher GPU clocks and even higher memory clocks. Which means these higher-end devices most definitely are capable of handling less "strict" requirements for avatars.

[swift token]

Nope, bifurcating content across platform is already hard. Imagine having to upload PC, Quest, Android Tier 1, Android Tier 2, Android Tier 3 avatars. >_>

Oh, and then iOS.

And then macOS.. and whateverOS... it keeps going.

[civic moon]

will impsopsopters be made for old avatars or will that not work?

[boreal moss]

Oh nice, so you actually consider ARM64 MacOS release candidate?

I like the news of this.

[swift token]

What? no.

[boreal moss]

Well it should be trivial to port it on MacOS if it works on iOS.... After all it's the same architecture and same graphics API

[swift token]

I am very obviously using it as an example of how Unity has many different assetbundle and shader formats that must be accounted for.

[swift token]

you'd think that, but nope

[lilac delta]

Waiting for the day to have vrchat run on my apple silicon mac 😄

[swift token]

No, my PC is not 50K, and I also am very aware that my experience on my machine is not what everyone experiences. Which is why I push so hard for optimized content.

[boreal moss]

Well I suppose Play Cover will suffice once the iOS version is out... At least I'll be finally able to play it on my MacBook after Parallel space stopped working due to EAC hah... Wish they had ARM64 support.

[echo lynx]

Yes but at what point is the standard?

[swift token]

Not sure what you're askin

[echo lynx]

Even people with 2080 ti are struggling on pc

[swift token]

Yep, almost entirely because of very poor avatars.

[boreal moss]

I would even sometimes blame the world.

[civic moon]

At this rate I'd reckon the team implement an "unacceptable" perf rank that is rejected from upload and has serverside checks so clients cannot bypass per se

[swift token]

Sometimes, but not often.

[echo lynx]

^^

[cosmic cobalt]

So is iOS VRC gonna need a new build target or will there be a like 'convert Quest bundle to iOS' button of sorts?

[swift token]

don't know! nothing announced! i'm just shitposting! this isn't a news conference! 😛

[civic moon]

if you could imagine developers using the same penny pinching programming style the used in the 90's things would run swimmingly everywhere

[barren field]

This discord seems to be 50% "Increase the avi restrictions" and 50% "This game lags so much, devs fix game" xd

[boreal moss]

I wish, there was something like SPIR-V conversion so a single bundle for all platforms but I suppose that would be a heck of a technical feat to pull off..

(SPIR-V being Chrono's groups universal shader conversion utility)

[lilac delta]

Me and my friends call those very poor: Extreme Poor (the ones that are soo large and laggy)

[echo lynx]

Anyone can make a world just like how people have made unoptimized avatars.

Some worlds with even just me in it Makes the head set jitter and causes me to feel sick.

[cosmic cobalt]

Fair enough lol

[swift token]

That's fine. Not exactly a reason to not optimize your content that you make.

[arctic pewter]

It would need to be a new build target due to shaders not being the same on both. iOS specifically

[swift token]

If that was the case we'd be running some crazy bespoke renderer and game engine that would be all-but-inaccessible to users. Unity is damn good.

[civic moon]

that is why I love standalone headsets connected to PC, they have their own APU which prevents that jittering thing

[echo lynx]

Yeah the only good thing that came from finally being pcvr

[swift token]

Wait a sec. SteamVR's compositor prevents jitter due to reprojection.

How are y'all getting jitter?

That's like a 7 year old solved problem.

[civic moon]

oh, bad headset models

[boreal moss]

Because the compositor is of course broken on Linux!

[civic moon]

HP VR headset series, actually WMR does that too

[barren field]

asynchronous space warp my beloved ♥️

[civic moon]

WMR is so much worse than SteamVR!

[swift token]

Oh. Yeah, don't use Linux if you want a working VR setup right now.

[echo lynx]

In some quest worlds we cant even look in a certain direction without the headset acting like its on a really horrible rollercoaster and flipping around

[swift token]

(I have OpenSUSE on this machine, my VR machine is W11)

[civic moon]

I've tried windows mixed reality, it just doesn't have GPU compatibility features that SteamVR has

[echo lynx]

Have you not heard of this???

[swift token]

That sounds like lost tracking. Do you have a Feedback/canny post? Video? Repro steps? World names or IDs I can go to and try out rn?

[boreal moss]

Well If you have a mobile headset like Quest 2 and you use Virtual Desktop with AMD GPU, blame AMD.

[echo lynx]

It isnt lost tracking. Lights are on.

[civic moon]

are you getting teleported around and stuff?

[boreal moss]

Because their latest drivers will cause a huge jitter in wireless streaming.

[echo lynx]

Its like the screen is shaking

[swift token]

AMD GPUs are notoriously not super great for VR

[echo lynx]

And having a seizure

[swift token]

Again: Do you have a Feedback/canny post? Video? Repro steps? World names or IDs I can go to and try out rn?

[echo lynx]

Ill look again. I just thought that someone already would have made a canny on it.

[swift token]

What if everyone has that thought? 😄

[echo lynx]

Well literally someone else here said they experienced the same thing so.

What if its already on canny?

[swift token]

Then link it to me!

[boreal moss]

That's not so much case for wired VR it's mostly an issue with their Encoders for HEVC and x264 so people with headsets that rely on compressing data and not using direct HDMI/DP input will suffer.

But if you have a wired headset like Valve Index you'll have a really nice experience on AMD.

[naive bluff]

I had a decent time with my (new) 6950 XT.

[swift token]

I have a friend with a 7900XTX and they say the drivers are way better nowadays, but yeah

AMD doesn't have great onboard encoders like nVidia does

[naive bluff]

They're tryin'.

[boreal moss]

They fixed them at some point, but somehow they managed to break the once again...

I am just left puzzled haha.

The issues only begin when encoding* large amounts of data, encoding* normal videos are just fine. That's why they usually don't even put it as their #1 priority I guess.

encoding*

[swift token]

sorry this got skipped over but this is great

makes me wish we had time to do more work on the camera

gotta get mobile out first, then CE, then perf improvements, then etc etc etc

[boreal moss]

Yeah, also would be pretty good for content creation to be able to have multiple angles without a custom world setup.

Would have some use for that.

[swift token]

for sure, been wanting that for a long time

one day

anyhow its the weekend so im gonna go play wow

byeee

[boreal moss]

👋 Have fun!

[lilac delta]

Have fun!

[vivid brook]

damn, two minutes late, but i just wanted to flex real quick

you can make good Excellent-rated avatars that are medium-level, and look good on quest

[barren field]

epic

[tepid dagger]

I noticed the potential like... immediately after testing it for the first time. It's kinda tedious to set up, but so worth it!

How much ram you got?

[naive bluff]

You can check in your phone's "About" section.

There's your problem.

[wicked fjord]

lmfao

i am on a samsung a20

[naive bluff]

6GB RAM?

6 is the minimum, apparently.

You also need VRC+ to actually use it. So.

[wicked fjord]

fuck, i only have 4 gb ram

[empty breach]

Oh hi, I used a quest pro on an AMD GPU, Virtual Desktop looks and runs great. Can't say the same for Quest link. It does struggle a little if not using HVEC though on VD

[wary umbra]

Question. Can we continue to view our very poor avis on this platform (I use the word view , not use)

I'm mostly a PC player anyways. I'm just curious because I'd love to use VR mobile just to test my quest avis

Even if I'm not planning on interacting with users on quest

I am able to view my very poor Avi but from what I understand I am unable to have other quest mobile users see it

Which im fine with

Id love for them to maybe keep that ability just so users without a quest could test avis

[boreal moss]

If you have a 7xxx lineup you'll have no issues it's mostly 6xxx and older.

I'm not sure why that's the case but honestly, at this point I'll just blame it to be a hardware fault within the actual silicon.

[echo lynx]

thank you

[boreal moss]

There is so much they can do to migitate bad hardware in software.

After all people working on the AMD drivers are experts in their field. Not just random people.

[echo lynx]

I love how everyone just bashed me and left

[lilac delta]

not to you xD

[echo lynx]

No i know but that was a point i was trying to refer to anyways

The responses so far just say "skill issue"

Not "yeah im totally hearing what you are saying"

[wary umbra]

Id rather people be nice and point people in the right direction instead of just being elitists unless the person is beyond help

[echo lynx]

true.

[maiden socket]

i borrowed my brothers phone and i managed to install the vrchat on his device
but when i login it says register your interest i press it

what does it mean
does it mean that it will assign me on waiting list for free to play vrchat mobile
or something else?

[boreal moss]

No, it will redirect you to create new VRChat account.

As the button says it's "Register"

You can only apply to the wait-list by logging in.

[maiden socket]

so what will happen next?
did i delete my vrchat account on mobile
or it will not do anything

[boreal moss]

Uhh, it will open your default browser.

And redirect you to the VRChat register page, it does nothing else.

[wary umbra]

I'm not good at optimizing my content. But I'm trying to ask for help once and I got met with attitude like bruh you just stupid then. I'm trying to ask for help, so maybe don't be a jerk right off the bat. Lol I'm okay with asking for help but I'm not okay with me genuinely trying my best to learn and someone tells me I'm a dumbass

So I understand the feeling

[maiden socket]

wait ... yes now i know what you mean by that
well i just tup on login i enter my username and password
and vrchat latter give me two option register interest and vrchat plus
so i click on the first one but nothing happen

[boreal moss]

Oh, never mind. It will just register you to the wait-list yes.

[echo lynx]

At least you get it.

[boreal moss]

Unless you don't own VRChat+ you're unable to play the Android version whatsoever.

[echo lynx]

Like, That was my problem

[empty breach]

most probably, I've heard really bad things about the 6000 series. 7000 seems ok currently though

[maiden socket]

thanks

[nova reef]

Udon flight is Goofy, auto Flys forward, I like it rather than having to use like 3 fingers just to move it

[swift token]

If someone treats you poorly here and calls you that, please report them via #discord-tickets .

Include links to the messages in question, please!

[echo lynx]

[wary umbra]

thanks will do

will admit it was a while ago, my example in question was to sympathize with Q

but will do next time

[echo lynx]

Just some people are really stuck up here

Like actually

[wary umbra]

i just try to be nice to people first, i only get mean, when people show they are beyond help, but i use rudeness as a last resort.

[echo lynx]

Same.

[wary umbra]

i think thats like, just common curtosy, you know? to give people the benefit of the doubt if they are here to actually learn something,

anwyays, dont wanna ramble too much , XD

[echo lynx]

But When people invalidate my point Im just like ._.

[lilac delta]

we gotta be more nicer to people ❤️

aww you guys are so nice! But yeah not everyone has the skill to make optimized quest avatars or the time to learn as we got a life.

[hybrid tendon]

I might be really stupid asking this but like how do i get vrc on moblie? I have an android and i have vrc+ i just dont know how to get it

[orchid owl]

Search vrchat alpha in the google play store

[hybrid tendon]

Alright thanks

[orchid owl]

Yw

[hybrid tendon]

Didnt come up i think im blind

[orchid owl]

Hmm do you meet the requirements of 6gb of ram?

[echo lynx]

type this exactly vrchat [alpha]

[naive bluff]

#android-announcements

You have to become a tester first. 👀

[orchid owl]

Oh true

[hybrid tendon]

Damn nvm

[orchid owl]

Awe im sorry

[hybrid tendon]

All good, i still got my quest 💪🏻

[orchid owl]

True

[hybrid tendon]

Hey can I get free access to vrchat alpha mobile

Open the floodgates because it is I, now yellow names must let me into the vip interest list

[ancient birch]

I know I'm late late but I wanted to mention I get a lag with SteamVR menu. Sometimes when I turn it off my game lags like CRAZY for a few minutes and it's annoying

Anyone know any fixes for that? XD

[naive bluff]

SteamVR works on mobile? o_O

[wary umbra]

why are you pinging me?

[hybrid tendon]

My intuition

[wary umbra]

ok.

[hybrid tendon]

So you want to give me access or no

[ancient birch]

No I meant in VR on PC

[naive bluff]

Wrooong channel.

[wary umbra]

sir. im assume you are a troll. so ima just, not reply anymore

[hybrid tendon]

I mean to get what I want

[ancient birch]

Well Yeah I know I was just more so bringing up what Tupper brought up already, more so joking on asking for help since I know this ain't the channel

[ancient birch]

That's the spirit!

[wary umbra]

the only way to win is not to play

[ancient birch]

How many players have vrc mobile?

[hybrid tendon]

Give the vrchat mobile to da da

[echo lynx]

[steep laurel]

I cant get intites

[wary umbra]

i has vrchat mobile downloaded, but i usually am pcvr player

[steep laurel]

Anyone else got same issue?

[wary umbra]

i have a quest but its just simplier to test content this way

so i dont need to boot up my headset each time

[naive bluff]

Intites?

[wary umbra]

tho i imagine its even better for someone who doesnt have a quest at all. they can finally do testing

[echo lynx]

invites probably

[echo lynx]

Eh not on very poor quest avis

[wary umbra]

tbh: i am able to View the very poor avis. but diffrence between viewable and usable

which for my intents and purposes its all i need

[echo lynx]

To see?

[wary umbra]

for example: i was just viewing my very poor avi

I could use its menu but, if: i went to an instance, others wouldnt

so only i am able to

[echo lynx]

I cant use my own

[wary umbra]

odd: i am able to

[echo lynx]

You must not have the update then

[ripe sorrel]

Huh

[echo lynx]

Check the playstore

[ripe sorrel]

What changed

[wary umbra]

hold on? lemme see

[warm summit]

Working out great so far: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140769375910109305/1142584320687603863/Screenshot_2023-08-20-00-21-26-911_com.vrchat.mobile.playstore.jpg

[echo lynx]

it was updated last night

[wary umbra]

oof..i dont i suppose?

[ancient birch]

You mean the issue everyone had two days ago? I think it was. The tokens?

[echo lynx]

So did it say update?

[wary umbra]

yeah oof..

[echo lynx]

Yeah..

So thats why you can still see yours for now

[steep laurel]

I got mobile yesterday

[echo lynx]

it make me sad

[ancient birch]

Oh I can't say why you're having the issue, but if you are then shouks mention it

[wary umbra]

well...thats..upsetting

[ancient birch]

Take a screenshot

[wary umbra]

ugh: well...it is what it is..

dang. lol should of known

dang, well, i wish we still had an optimal way to test

tbh my mobile avi is almost done, but: im still working on some minor poly crunching

i just, sorta want better wings for it, so im searching for some good low poly ones, that are already low poly,

[modern zinc]

How can I make a avatar exclusively using only mobile (besides using rpm)

[naive bluff]

You can't.

You have to use a PC.

[hybrid tendon]

Yooo hey 👋get me that VRChat mobile access for free y'all devs

[naive bluff]

[hexed elm]

😂

[naive bluff]

@muted knot This is the correct channel.

Your phone is unsupported.

[muted knot]

Why tho it should be able to be used

[naive bluff]

The min. requirement is 6GB of RAM, your phone only has 4.

[muted knot]

No

I don't think anyways

[hexed elm]

[naive bluff]

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-A21s_id11424

[balmy pilot]

lmbo

[naive bluff]

Son of a bitch.

Your phone only has 3 gigs of RAM.

[hexed elm]

3gb lmaooo

[pearl mulch]

that would instantly crash loading any world

[muted knot]

Damn it

Oh well

[fervent elk]

No.

also cringe

but you know what isnt cringe,
nachos

[echo lynx]

share

[fervent elk]

no

[echo lynx]

[fervent elk]

mien

[hybrid tendon]

Ok I will wait to not play vrchat on mobile then I see

[echo lynx]

Am hungy

[regal otter]

Had a problem with the mic

Nobody can hear me even if it's picking up

[ancient birch]

Glad someone from the team finally told them no.

[ancient birch]

I want some nachos. May I please have some?

[ancient birch]

I've had audio issues too. Were you using a Bluetooth audio source?

Well my guess is only phone. Unless you feel like your tablet could take it you could try seeing if it would let you download it. I know someone hacked their switch and got it downloaded but doesn't work THE BEST

So with what I know you could always try

[pearl mulch]

if your tablet has 6 gigs of RAM it should in theory be able to play VRchat

like folks have already got it installed on Chromebooks without any hacking

[ancient birch]

See? You could always try. It won't hurt

[lilac delta]

well if your tablet runs android 10 or later with 6 gigs of ram there should be no problem, surprisingly VRChat works great on android as it works on whatever screen you throw it at (my fold 4 and someone's flip 5 are some examples)

[ancient birch]

Serious question for any VRC member/team/support. How do you guys plan on differentiating the compatibility of avatars and worlds amongst different phones? Cause I know quest is all Universal for compatibility when it comes to other quests. Although, it seems compatibility/game experience is different for different varieties of phones. So what is the plan, do you guys know?

[ancient birch]

Hopefully it worked for them? At least somewhat?

[naive bluff]

👀 I would imagine... it'd follow the Quest guidelines?

They're both Android devices.

[ancient birch]

I mean that's what I was thinking. But I mean like some people have different experiences in worlds for example. I went to one world and got 6FPS. I think if someone went to the same world they could get higher FPS.

[hexed elm]

They're all android so it'll follow quest standards

iirc Tupperware mentioned it a few hours ago in here

[naive bluff]

People have different experiences in PC worlds, doesn't mean there's special builds for each tier of hardware.

[ancient birch]

Tho I have no real proof so I can't say but it just sounds like some people have better experiences than others

[ancient birch]

I guess that's fair. A better way of putting it

[lilac delta]

it's simple, the newer the phone/tablet, the better the experience will be

[ancient birch]

I understand better with that

[naive bluff]

Exactly.

If you lag/crash, your phone sucks.

[balmy pilot]

That's why they're enforcing Poor or better on Avatars. To maintain a minimum quality.

[ancient birch]

Oh yeah you're right

My bad for the stupid question ><

[regal otter]

Yes I did

[lilac delta]

nahh it's not stupid ^^

[ancient birch]

Yeah, they are aware of Bluetooth audio issues. There's no official fix right now

I had issues with Bluetooth as well. That's what my problem was

[regal otter]

I see I'll have to stick to phone

Annoying tho cause I have to push to talk

[lilac delta]

yes that is so annoying i agree

[regal otter]

Yeah but on my Bluetooth earphones I can toggle

[lilac delta]

you can? oh il try with my airpods next time

[ancient birch]

Keep in mind Bluetooth issues

[pearl mulch]

basically the Quest 2 guidelines for all of the phones as they set the minimum requirement to Quest 2 equivalent phone processing wise

[regal otter]

Yesss

[ancient birch]

Yeee >w<

[regal otter]

There is another app I use called reality where you're avatar it tracks you're head movement and eye tracking I hope they implement that in future for mobile and take advantage off the phones cameras

[balmy pilot]

The only phones that have that as an easily available API is Apple.

[ancient birch]

Its very annoying. I'm messing with a video I'll be posting on Yt Monday or Sunday and I have record myself in the editing app since I can't record my voice in game

[lilac delta]

oh i am aware xD just want to see the setting

[ancient birch]

XD Ye

[ancient birch]

I meannnn I'm sure you could get android to work somehow. People always find ways

[regal otter]

That sucks :/

[balmy pilot]

Yes, "somehow" but highly doubt they will put the time and effort into creating an API. Each phone presents its camera differently, so just accessing the cameras will be kind of a pain. Not to mention the actual eye detection part

[regal otter]

I remember well it would be good would really get the app going and more people in

[ancient birch]

I may not know a lot but I'm pretty sure there is a way on android. I think someone used android for vseeface but that's different

[regal otter]

Vrchat on mobile now tho hmmm..... I hope this does not Start off a (But can it run DooM) LOL

[ancient birch]

Oh no Doom lol

[regal otter]

Imagine people finding ways to run vr chat on different objects

[ancient birch]

Frrr

[pearl mulch]

folks have already got it running on a Nintendo switch

[ancient birch]

I'm not saying the person is wrong but I find it hard to believe there isn't a way on android for eye tracking n such

[balmy pilot]

I'm not saying there isn't a way, I'm saying that there probably isn't an easy way.

[cosmic cobalt]

I miss my quest pro eye tracking T-T

[ancient birch]

Fair enough

I saw someone with an index with eye and mouth tracking

How????

[regal otter]

I saw that I think switch is good for vr chat

[pearl mulch]

actually it wouldn't be it has less Ram than the Quest 2

[ancient birch]

The person that did it said is not GREAT

[pearl mulch]

basically somebody glued those extra trackers on to the index

[ancient birch]

More for memeing

[regal otter]

Awe I have a old gen vr I use for pc xD the old oculus CV1

[regal otter]

Just the thought of it being avaliable if possible for maybe a next gen switch

[cosmic cobalt]

I can still do eye tracking with OSC on PC but I used to really enjoy just hopping on standalone vrc and being able to use it there too

[regal otter]

Freinds borrowing my quest 2 atm poor thing was collecting dust

[pearl mulch]

well there's currently no Next Generation switch so no point dwelling on that

[broken pine]

We'd really love to bring it back, hoping that there's a solution soon from Meta for the huge performance hit

[regal otter]

Ah I won't last time I bought nintendo product was when pokemon sun and moon came out on 3ds

[cosmic cobalt]

I thought that later Unity versions corrected it?

Or is it really just that unoptimized?

[broken pine]

Not that I'm aware, but I'd be happy to hear it

[echo lynx]

No that actually caused the performance to tank

By like 20%

[cosmic cobalt]

Maybe I’m misremembering but I thought in a dev update they said that it would be fully implemented and not in a separate channel when the Unity 2021 update happened

That’s why I was so surprised to see the release channel get removed altogether

[echo lynx]

As soon as eye tracking update was pushed the crashes increased

And became way more frequent

[swift token]

That's not exactly true, but we did see a major loss in framerate for the eyetracking builds.

[echo lynx]

It was for me tho

[swift token]

I understand, but I'm talking about aggregate statistics. 😅

[echo lynx]

I didnt have issues crashing much before that update

[cosmic cobalt]

I definitely had a performance hit but I rarely crash on Quest Pro

Even with the eye tracking channel

[echo lynx]

I play on quest 2

[broken pine]

It might be that we'll have to use that newer system that enables the extra tracking in order to be on upgraded Unity versions, but in that case the big perf hit is even more important to fix since it'd affect everyone

[cosmic cobalt]

The biggest factor for Quest 2 crashing is just horrible ram issues

[swift token]

You're not wrong lol

[cosmic cobalt]

For Quest Pro I’ve run out of ram maybe 3 times in owning it

[echo lynx]

I couldnt afford anything else okay

[pearl mulch]

hopefully the quest 3 has a decent amount of RAM

[cosmic cobalt]

But yeah I definitely noticed the performance hit

[echo lynx]

[swift token]

Rumors point to 8GB vs 6

which is.. okay

[cosmic cobalt]

I usually tested my worlds on Quest Pro eye tracking channel just to see if I could make stuff optimized enough to run a solid 72 with that active

[pearl mulch]

which is also other probably another reason why file size limits are not going up for the quest 3

[hexed elm]

Is Q3 on XR3, or will it be another spiffed up XR2++++ ultra?

[cosmic cobalt]

I thought the rumors were that it would have 12 like pro

I’m really torn on if I wanna keep rocking the pro or make a 3 my daily driver

I love the face tracking and the massive in comparison ram, but is the new CPU and better passthrough worth it

[swift token]

The Pro has a 50/50 chance of giving me insane motion sickness and migraines just from wearing it, let alone turning it on, sooooo

No other headset does that to me

[balmy pilot]

Honestly the Pro needs a top strap

[cosmic cobalt]

That used to be the case for me too, but once I started using the fit adjustment before doing anything I haven’t had that issue

[swift token]

||halo straps are bad||

[cosmic cobalt]

The migraines I got were from crushing the thing against my face and trying to wear it like a quest 2 lmao

[balmy pilot]

Went from the most uncomfortable to pretty comfortable when I added a top strap to mine. Though the most uncomfortable headset I've ever worn was the Q2 with the base strap

[echo lynx]

Its so uncomfy

[cosmic cobalt]

Once I realized there’s supposed to be a massive gap in the bottom, it started not hurting

Didn’t you say you have a quest 2

[echo lynx]

Yes

[cosmic cobalt]

How would you know then

[echo lynx]

Q2

[swift token]

the most comfortable headset I've ever used is the beyond >_>

[echo lynx]

Im refering to that

[cosmic cobalt]

Oh you mean the quest 2 is uncomfortable?

[echo lynx]

yes

[cosmic cobalt]

I could never get it quite right til I got a pro strap so yeah I get that

[balmy pilot]

I was referring to the Q2's base strap being uncomfortable.

[cosmic cobalt]

Yeah no it is flimsy and bad lol

[echo lynx]

The basic straps plastic thingys to adjust the straps broke on me on both sides anyways

[cosmic cobalt]

Also get a leather facial interface you won’t regret it

[balmy pilot]

Also oooof SDK2 is so laggy, trying to re-upload one of my worlds to fix a lighting issue because it was last updated in Unity 2018

[echo lynx]

owie

[cosmic cobalt]

I kinda wanna get one but I don’t have room to set up base stations, also $1k is a lot of investment for something that doesn’t come with base stations or controllers

[swift token]

yep, its meant for enthusiasts that are already in the LH ecosystem

[cosmic cobalt]

I did order mocopi trackers tonight though since I heard they got an update that lets you put the wrist trackers on your knees

[balmy pilot]

That's only in closed beta iirc

[cosmic cobalt]

Well hey that means it’ll probably be public at some point

So good to have em when that happens

[balmy pilot]

Never buy anything now based on future updates.

[echo lynx]

never heard of the beyond before

I had ordered slime last year

[cosmic cobalt]

Fair, but also I have a mocap class in my college major so good to have em for then lol

[balmy pilot]

Wish the beyond had ET though. Wonder if they'll come out with an ET version or a tiny ET module.

[echo lynx]

They are finally shipping out to backers

[cosmic cobalt]

Also on the topic of vr hardware I am like

Mmmm vision pro looks so good but that price tag makes me terrified

In case it wasn’t obvious I omega prefer standalone headsets to dedicated pc ones 😅

Also with iOS vrc in development I am probably wrongfully hopeful it gets a vision port lmao

[echo lynx]

the apple headset look like google cardboard

[lilac delta]

The thing is, vision pro is the most vrchat ready apple tech out there lol. But who buys that thing haha

[cosmic cobalt]

See I have a feeling apple priced it that high to make people think vr is premium and cool

[naive bluff]

It's not even a VR device, it's an AR.

[cosmic cobalt]

Then a couple years later they release a consumer version more price friendly after everyone things they want it

[lilac delta]

No it’s an XR headset

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s XR, they already confirmed a rec room port

[naive bluff]

Wow... a multi-thousand dollar Quest.

[cosmic cobalt]

Pretty much lol

[lilac delta]

But but eyes on display!

[cosmic cobalt]

I want that but it shows my avatar’s eyes instead

[lilac delta]

Lol

Normally i trust apple but i think this vision pro is not gonne be the thing to change vr

[cosmic cobalt]

It’s not

It’s the thing that makes people think they want vr

[lilac delta]

Meta: hold my beer

[lilac delta]

Introducing the whole new iQuest Pro Max

[hybrid tendon]

How much FPS did you get on your A51? Mine is at 30-40 FPS when I was alone, and 8-12 FPS in crowded lobbies :')

[orchid owl]

How much ram do you have on a51?

@hybrid tendon

[orchid owl]

Lol

[hybrid tendon]

6GB

[orchid owl]

I don't either

[orchid owl]

Oh okay same as me

[hybrid tendon]

Just put it on and it already said "Low Battery warning"

[orchid owl]

Except mines the samsung galaxy s21 5g fe

How long does the battery usually last?

[hybrid tendon]

nice flex

[orchid owl]

Lol

[hybrid tendon]

For me?

[orchid owl]

Yeah of course

[hybrid tendon]

When I used it as my daily driver, it could last me for about 3-4 hours, providing that I used it mainly for Discord, Facebook, messaging and some medias like Spotify, Youtube

[orchid owl]

3-4 hours non stop?

[hybrid tendon]

Yep

[orchid owl]

What kind of battery is yours in mah

[hybrid tendon]

4000

[orchid owl]

Oh kinda worse then mine

I wish mine had a 5000 mah

[hybrid tendon]

The S23 Ultra this year has that

[orchid owl]

I think mine is 4500 mah but not sure

[hybrid tendon]

How does it serve you?

[orchid owl]

Yeah i can't afford the s23

I was lucky to get this at the price i did

Off ebay

[orchid owl]

It feels like it dies quick on mobile data

[hybrid tendon]

Mmm, that's understandable

[orchid owl]

Yeah it can be annoying

Especially considering i charge it early on and the percent goes down

[hybrid tendon]

Signal quality does matter too

[orchid owl]

Does it?

I never truly knew that

[hybrid tendon]

It does

Because the worse your signal is, the more power your phone uses to try maintaining a good signal

To which therefore, drains your battery quicker

[orchid owl]

Oh wow i never knew that

[molten furnace]

Dyno just go die

anyways

We gotten 3 unsupported devices to run vrchat

A Nokia
A Motorola
And some cheap government phone

[cosmic cobalt]

And switches

[hybrid tendon]

Wowrude

[orchid owl]

3 unsupported devices?

[lilac delta]

Be nice to dyno, it is trying ^^

[sturdy sapphire]

Mobile gets my phone hottttt

6 gb ram

[hybrid tendon]

Mhmmm

[broken pine]

Try going down to 30fps

I find that it makes a big difference for heat and battery use

[orchid owl]

How?

[broken pine]

FPS limit in the graphics options

[orchid owl]

Okay would that help with crashing too?

@broken pine

[broken pine]

Unlikely, crashing is almost always a RAM issue

It won't hurt though

[molten furnace]

[drowsy lava]

I can't see my avatar I keep changing it and it always my default avi

[raw smelt]

What’s the ranking of the avi

If it’s very poor it won’t work with mobile

[drowsy lava]

So how do I get it to work 😭

[rose leaf]

make an actually optimized version of the avatar that isn't Very poor

[drowsy lava]

How u do that?

[orchid owl]

How would i do that on mobile

[rose leaf]

@drowsy lava@orchid owl take the avatar to blender, do necessary optimizations, and bring it back to Unity. of course, I'm glossing over a lot of stuff, but that's the outline

[orchid owl]

Is it possible on mobile?

[rose leaf]

no, you need a PC

[raw smelt]

You need a pc to optimize them , if you wanna be able to see the Avis then used optimized ones.

[echo lynx]

what they mean to say is your fkd mate

[orchid owl]

Oof

[raw smelt]

No lol? It’s just mobile doesn’t support very poor ranked Avis?

[echo lynx]

They probably dont have a pc. Also most "optimized" Avis that a cross platform are very poor on quest and good on pc.

[raw smelt]

This is the mobile chat ;-;

So we are talking about mobile

Ik they don’t got a pc

But there’s hundreds of optimized Avis lol

[echo lynx]

._.

[raw smelt]

?

[echo lynx]

Look up optimized in prismatics avatar search on mobile. See how many actually will load for you mate.

[lucid prawn]

you can definitely wear very poor avis on android. you just cant see other people use them.

[echo lynx]

I have tried. And I have done this most of the day trying to find Avis that I can see on mobile.

[echo lynx]

Open play store. It will say update. They fixed it

[raw smelt]

The very poor Avis won’t show up for you tho

Even if you wear them

[echo lynx]

You can change into it yes but youll load yourself as a fallback

[raw smelt]

Mhm that’s what I mean

[lucid prawn]

oh. guess i'll test that.

[echo lynx]

it was patched last night

[lucid prawn]

i guess they did change it. i was on it this morning and nothing like that happened.

wish we had patch notes or something whenever they push an update.

[hybrid tendon]

I am just Uninstaller vrchat on my mobile bc I don't want to buy vrchat plus

[half tapir]

I just keep it around until my vrchat plus expires. Unfortunately it won't be of much use for me anyways since i can't see anyones avatar basically

[balmy pilot]

there were notes on the googe play page

[echo lynx]

Yeah they kinda failed us in that department

[balmy pilot]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrchat.mobile.playstore under "What's new"

What's new
Updated icons for some labels (e.g. Get Up)
Updated camera functionality
You can no longer see your own Very Poor avatar

[lucid prawn]

i sort of meant in the discord with a role ping, but i guess this will also do. problem is, you dont get notified when an app auto-updates.

[blissful flint]

on that grind of begging people for vrc+💪

[storm totem]

So is this normal or is something wrong with my phone? (Motorola one 5G UW ace) I've already approved for the dev thing and it's been like 24+ hours or something.

[storm totem]

So I'm guessing it's my phone

Yeah probably

Very cool

[vale edge]

You only have 4gb of memory. 6gb is the minimum.

[storm totem]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I didn't even think to check. Thanks for giving me a reality check

[hybrid tendon]

is that supposed to be a pun 😭?- /genq

I think there's an inconsistency with Bluetooth headphones on VRChat. At random moments it full cuts out audio until you restart the application.

[tepid dagger]

It would help cut the feedback issues with android version

Can we please get verypoor avatars for android? Or can someone at least show me where to get some really cute poor or better ones?

[echo lynx]

So far all I have found is meme ones are optimized enough mostly. Oh but theres a version already out for karen and Mint. The like smole loli avis

But they only have gogo. No customization and like 3 physbones

I also found A furry Shark Demo model that loaded

[tepid dagger]

All I want is gogo so I can pose for tiktoks and shit.

[echo lynx]

Add my vrc and Ill let you clone them when I get on next time

I spent most of today looking for opti avis on quest

[tepid dagger]

I won't be on until like Thursday though. 😭😭😭

[echo lynx]

Thats okay. Im available thursday

[tepid dagger]

Nice!

Fallback avis are horrible.

[echo lynx]

True.

[mortal solstice]

I can't even leave the VRC home without crashing 😪

[mortal solstice]

I think my waft avatar is pretty nice thank you very much /j

[tepid dagger]

Waft?

[strong frigate]

talk about this is it gonna be for more phones soon ?

[mortal solstice]

https://anaguraworks.booth.pm/items/1417205

[mortal solstice]

When it doesn't crash, everyone says I sound like a robot or nearly incomprehensible o.o

[mortal solstice]

I even gave the fallback physics on both platforms :3

[dense briar]

Meanwhile in hand my phone audio cuts off after using the game mirror or mess around with the ui

Hope the game launches better than the alpha

But I find it funny how vr chat and roblox exchange sides

Roblox gets it alpha beta build in vr and vrchat gets it alpha build in mobile

[gray gate]

Yeah i can noticed that

It's still not compatible yet

I don't think my Chromebook wouldn't run on it as well

[hybrid tendon]

Literally the only avatar i can load in now on phone 💀

[barren field]

Shame so many avi makers don't bother with optimising

[proud fern]

✨ Optimise your avatars ✨

For the sake of everyone, including PC users.
EVERYDAY I see people with avatars that destroy my performances, which freeze the game for 2 seconds while loading it

And yes, it is possible to make a cool looking avatar while being optimised, look at all the recent public featured avatars

[naive bluff]

No one cares for optimization if they can cram in the most flashy shit they can.

Gotta have them jiggle physics.

[barren field]

Retopology is optional, gotta have 2mil tri raw sculpt

[split lake]

You can have jiggle physics and be optimized

[naive bluff]

I know. But people don't think to know or care.

[hexed iris]

Ah yes, I'm now in the process of it, got two of my recent quest avatars down to at least poor so that it's viewable on mobile

[hexed iris]

I know it's not ideal, but trying to aim for or would have my avatars look very janky ^^'

[proud fern]

It's ok, it's still a feat to have an extremely well optimised avatar, and sometime it's just straight up impossible if you want an avatar that can turn a lot of elements on and off

[hexed iris]

One way to combat that is to have all the meshes joined as one and use shape keys to create the same toggle animations without hiking up the skinned meshes amount. That, as well as decimate the combined meshed down to at least 20,000 tris

[split lake]

Avatars are made to be sold so it's natural for the creators to jam as much as possible in them to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
I think this is the main cause as opposed to laziness.

[hexed iris]

That makes sense. I suppose it's easier to optimize avatars from well optimized games as opposed to original avatars with so much details and such.

[muted kayak]

Holy shit it was hard

[half tapir]

i simply dont know blender

[wintry star]

I don't know blender too

[kindred stratus]

It was kinda funny trying to benchmark vrc android by going to populated public worlds because everyones avatar is just a fallback so its not really a challenge

[wintry star]

I would like to try VRChat on phone but i don't have vrc+. I really wanted to test it because my phone maybe will easliy handle VRchat and i can help find Bugs because i like VRchat because that's the game that changed me and i want it to grow to one of the best games of this type

[sick herald]

Oh yes, and they will personally grant you permission to play early just because you have a powerful device...
Just be patient like everyone else

[cold steeple]

it seems to me that performance of the world depends of how much sounds in it

[grand zenith]

Well, you'll just have to wait then. Tho it's only 10 bucks to get it for one month.

[hybrid tendon]

New challenge: try optimizing an 80k polygons model

[muted kayak]

My avatar was 66k, I dropped it to 32k so it was good on PC while not being blocky, and then for the Quest version I dropped it to 18.9k (I left 1k for my glasses).

[modern zinc]

Will native face tracking come to VRC mobile

[west arrow]

no it would be pointless

[hybrid tendon]

How did you do it?

[muted kayak]

Blender -> decimate -> pray that nothing else broke

[hybrid tendon]

[thorny star]

learning to delete edge loops will take you far

[split lake]

What? iPhones have amazing face tracking though?
And isn't expression kind of the whole point of VRChat?

[thorny star]

decimate is awful for basically all geometry

[thorny star]

I think phones are getting to the point where doing some kind of face tracking isn't unfeasible, but I wouldn't count on getting it soon

[west arrow]

it would be like having fully face tracking in desktop mode

[proud creek]

Roblox

[split lake]

And? VTubers do it all the time?

[thorny star]

that sounds very doable

[split lake]

Yeah I'm not counting on a native implementation showing up any time soon, though I really hope we get it working through OSC!

[thorny star]

oh yeah I forgot about osc face tracking

so you can literally already do face tracking on desktop lol

[split lake]

Yup

[west arrow]

yes but it would be really weird to see someone with face tracking in vrc but they cant even move their hands

[thorny star]

that sounds like a personal problem

[split lake]

A friend of mine mentioned doing hand tracking on desktop with a leap motion combined with a 3d screen with those cinema glasses xD

[rain vault]

guys do not update vrchat mobile, you'll lose access to very poor avis yourself

[hybrid tendon]

There's a bug that occurs when playing VRChat on a Samsung Galaxy ZFold 4
Upon opening the quick menu, It stays portrait like it should, But the moment it switches to the actual menu, It goes into landscape mode and does not go back to portrait until it's closed. It seems to only occur when using the folding display.

[west arrow]

there is also the extra overhead problem as vrchat isnt the most optimised thing on the planet

[rain vault]

on that note, how do you roll back versions?

[thorny star]

yeah it's going to take additional overhead

that's what performance budgeting is for

[hybrid tendon]

Sometimes, If you're on the avatar page and it shows up the avatar preview (The avatar itself) and then close it, The avatar itself will still be on your screen until you re-open it and then close it again

[rain vault]

if anyone still has vrchat mobile alpha 1335 please let me know, i wanna downgrade my version so i can atleast use my own avis again

[west arrow]

they did take out face tracking on quest pro standalone for a reason

[hybrid tendon]

^^ Performance issues and I can't remember for the other reason

[split lake]

"It will affect very few users"

[thorny star]

quest pro has no future and isn't worth continuing to develop for

[split lake]

Wdym? Is metabook ditching it already?

[thorny star]

QP2 development was halted and scrapped a few months back iirc

[rain vault]

anyone here able to see their very poor avatars still on mobile?

[cold steeple]

[rain vault]

aware. trying to find some who still can, i want to downgrade my vrchat mobile app

[split lake]

Oh noooo an incentive to optimize

[native igloo]

anyway, if people managed to downgrade means.....they are fail to join exist instance due to version mismatch anyway.

[muted kayak]

I can, I just updated my very poor avatar to be poor

[rain vault]

well

[rain vault]

my app was able to still see very poor till i updated it

which i regret now.

[native igloo]

eventually stop anyway

[rain vault]

why aren't we allowed to see what we want to see, this is stupid

[muted kayak]

because you don't want that your phone explose

[rain vault]

i played day one when it released and it worked fine.

[native igloo]

ask cpu manufacture to make CPU 10 times more perf, then maybe possible.

[rain vault]

why won't the devs just listen and add very poor as a toggle??

[muted kayak]

do you even read what we said ?

[rain vault]

i read.

but it's how i want to play

[muted kayak]

what phone do you have ?

[barren field]

I think a toggle would be a good idea tbf, not all very poor avis are gonna cause crashes. Not sure why they got rid of them completely instead of making it an option that's defaulted to off

[rain vault]

s23 ultra

[proud creek]

They don't know about the

[rain vault]

exactly, it's what i'm hoping for

[barren field]

I was gonna say check the canny but I can see you commented on it already xd

[rain vault]

i know about it. but when i booted up vrchat mobile, i still could see my very poor avi, till i updated.

[muted kayak]

ok fair for your phone, but most people have mid-tier phone which already sttrugle with fallback

[rain vault]

so i hope for it to be a toggle, which i want

but the devs don't want to listen i think, idk

[proud creek]

They removed Very Poor from Quest users too

[rain vault]

that platform still somehow handled it well too

[barren field]

did they?

[native igloo]

new fallback system to be implemented then you are happy.
just wait

[muted kayak]

They will eventually

@barren field too

[proud creek]

They already removed Very Poor from the performance reference graph

[muted kayak]

This is here for years

[proud creek]

Ye

[muted kayak]

but you can still show them

yet

[proud creek]

Soon™

[muted kayak]

anyways my main avatar is poor on quest now, so I don't really care about that anymore

[half tapir]

How well did it run? For me i have major performance issues even with all fallbacks lmao

[rain vault]

pretty great

[half tapir]

First the game runs great but slowly fps decrease constantly

Until im at 12 fps

[rain vault]

thats probably from overheating?

what phone do you have

[half tapir]

Maybe. It does get very hot

[rain vault]

i managed to get it back to the previous version and i got very poor back so that's nice

happy again

[half tapir]

That won't last forever

Until they block older versions from connecting

[native igloo]

👆

[half tapir]

Which vrchat likes to do if people try to bypass things that way

Recent example i remember being EAC launch

Which afaik they blocked people on older versions to connect to New instances if i remember correctly

[rain vault]

ruining more fun, thats nice

[native igloo]

yeah, that's what version mismatch error be

[rain vault]

why wont they like, listen for once?

[half tapir]

Either they block older connections purposely or an update eventually releases as network incompatible

[native igloo]

ask cpu manufacture to make CPU 10 times more perf, then maybe possible.

[rain vault]

my s23 ultra handles vrchat pretty well, even with very poor avis

[half tapir]

You have a high end phone

Most people don't

[rain vault]

thats why i want to have it as a optional toggle so we can atleast enjoy it

[half tapir]

Most people have low end or mid range

Low end probably can't play at all

[rain vault]

understandable, but again, i want very poor as a optional thing so everyone is happy

[half tapir]

That's trying to talk to a brickwall. Vrchat plunges decisions likes this through with no mercy

Apply undertale no mercy animation

[native igloo]

IIRC, 60% be like low-end, 30% be mid-end, 10% is high-end as market share now on days? (I forgot numbers but something like that)

[rain vault]

i still hope they listen and add very poor as a optional choice

[half tapir]

People on high end usually have their phones through contracts

[rain vault]

i bought mine

[half tapir]

That's rare. I know most people get them through their contracts.

Since these phones are around 1000€

[rain vault]

it was painful for my wallet for sure

[native igloo]

that's rare really.

[half tapir]

Mid and low range are more often bought standalone

[rain vault]

i think it was like 1.5K euros

[half tapir]

I could get a high performance GPU from that instead or even a whole PC upgrade

[hexed iris]

I'm technically on a contract on paying my Z Fold 3 in payments, but not from a carrier, from a buy now pay later service since I got the phone on Amazon.

[half tapir]

Yeah i know that service

[native igloo]

from carrier, from amazon, both be loan anyway.

[hexed iris]

I will try to pay double the amount in some months if I can to pay it off faster, not gonna be waiting for two years to fully pay for it

[half tapir]

Personally i don't see any reason to pay that much money for phones but everyone their own

[native igloo]

yeah, usually not needed. only people hevily using or has reason on it.

mid-range do kind of good job recent days

[hexed iris]

I just needed to upgrade from the Galaxy A53 since the performance was really lacking lately

[rain vault]

good processor for gaming, big storage, amazing cameras

[native igloo]

(but not everyone need it)

[rain vault]

i'm a gamer so

[half tapir]

Only cases I see the power actually being needed is playing high resource usage games on phone, like vrchat. But most games are not needing these resources even.

[hexed iris]

Only trope is that I now need to use a microSD card adapter for the Fold phone, thanks Samsung for copying Apple there

[rain vault]

s20 phones were great

[half tapir]

I still have micro SD slot

Mid range phones often still have them

[native igloo]

nice

yeah

[hexed iris]

At the very least my Galaxy Tab S8+ has both the power and the microSD card slot

[half tapir]

It's usually high end that gets rid of hardware features first

[native igloo]

personally, I got many app so more likely choose 6GB+ ROM next time. (not RAM)
Otherwise, I will choose one with microSD slot too.

[half tapir]

General rule for me: no headphone jack = no buy

[native igloo]

agree

[hexed iris]

Ugh, the main reason why I went with the A51 when I switched from iPhone

[half tapir]

My headphones are Bluetooth but man i prefer it not having to always keep them charged

[hexed iris]

Then I got gifted the Galaxy Buds and went for the A53 eventually

[half tapir]

Well my headphones are hybrid

They can do Bluetooth or wired

[native igloo]

that's nice

[half tapir]

I mostly use them on pc wired

I lost lots of charging cables too since someone took them all and the charging cable for my headphones was unfortunately included there

[native igloo]

oh...

[half tapir]

So gonna have to buy new ones

[native igloo]

sad moment...

[icy knot]

Hey, this couldn't have been caused by sideloading the VRC APK, right?

[half tapir]

F

But technically no. Especially not if the signature of the app is the same. Sideloading doesn't mean modified

[icy knot]

Yeah, I figured. I have also admitted to using FSR here a few days ago and was poking at the API earlier today out of curiosity, so I guess it could have been either of those. I hope I can get it repealed, I don't think anything I did was "malicious" :p

[half tapir]

For reference that's the apps information from the play store. It should be the same no matter where you download unless it got modified

[icy knot]

How do I check this?

[half tapir]

Through a file explorer. I use Solid Explorer

[icy knot]

Thanks

[rain vault]

Same, sony wh-1000xm4

[icy knot]

Yeah, the signature and version match, so I guess it's not that.

[rain vault]

odd, it shows this size though on the google play store

[icy knot]

I think the main APK is 18.5 MB but the whole thing installed is 477MB

[half tapir]

That's probably installed size

[rain vault]

the older version seems to take up a bit more

[half tapir]

My app shows apk size only since it discovers apk information

[rain vault]

i downgraded and the one i've got takes up around 750 megabytes

[barren field]

mine's using almost 2gb which isn't too bad considering the pc version usually caches around 20gb of avis

[rain vault]

they probably decreased the size with a newer version so that's nice

[half tapir]

Yeah the apk is that small

[half tapir]

I don't know tbh where play store gets the numbers

[rain vault]

its probably to set it apart as a different version

[half tapir]

System also reports for me multiple hundreds MB but what's possible is that this is a apk bundle size

[rain vault]

the apk was 700 megabytes but went up on my phone

probably from cache and other things

[half tapir]

My file explorer allows me to extract apks of already installed apps

[rain vault]

ah

[icy knot]

There was more than one APK when I used Aurora

[rain vault]

yeah

[half tapir]

Bundle

[rain vault]

there's 4 apks

vrchat-alpha.apk
config.arm64_v8a.apk
UnityDataAssetPack.apk
config.armeabi_v7a.apk

[half tapir]

Yep play store Downloads the entire bundle but not everything makes it into the installation

It uses whatever it needs for the system you're installing on

For example you don't need both config apks in the same install

Can save space but determining which one is needed and only installing that one

Youtube for example has lots of language related versions

[orchid owl]

I'm having a issue with the app it keeps saying failed integrity check

[half tapir]

Wait until tomorrow

[orchid owl]

Why whats tomorrow

[half tapir]

It's a ratelimit

[orchid owl]

Oh why? I just got on

[half tapir]

It's for everyone

[orchid owl]

Oh

[half tapir]

It's a Google thing

[orchid owl]

Ah

[icy knot]

Is it per account or for all of VRC?

[half tapir]

Googles "anti cheat" ratelimits vrchat

[orchid owl]

Why

[half tapir]

Cause they only allow 10k requests a day

[orchid owl]

Also why is there an anti cheat?

[half tapir]

So people have a harder time to mod the game

[orchid owl]

Oh

[half tapir]

But in the end it isn't a foolproof solution

And Quest still doesn't have any anti cheat lol

[orchid owl]

True

[half tapir]

That's why Bots constantly run through quest lmao

[orchid owl]

Bots?

[half tapir]

Crash Bots

Flooding an instance crashing it entirely

[orchid owl]

There is bots

[half tapir]

Yes had it happen to me multiple times

[orchid owl]

What the heck

They can't let anyone enjoy a game can they

[half tapir]

I just see tons of join notifications and 3 seconds later game closes

[orchid owl]

Wow

[half tapir]

But all of them are always on Quest

With random gibberish names

[orchid owl]

Ridiculous

[half tapir]

Using default robot

[orchid owl]

That sucks tends to ruin it for the rest of us

[half tapir]

Usually i see it happening in group public instances

Or certain worlds

[orchid owl]

Thing is i just woke up and its already ratelimited