hardware

[full vortex]

for personal and family reasons

[median marsh]

that thing would really fit into a backpack

[fallen oasis]

The screens migt be an issue.

[median marsh]

and the screen, you might just sell it and get a new one at your new location

[astral shell]

Naw VR googles

[fallen oasis]

The stands tend to be a bitch,.

[median marsh]

wouldn't invest much in the screen if you already know that you are about to move

[fallen oasis]

VR goggles, I like it.!

[astral shell]

Always wanted to make a backpack build and play a vr game in a open field

lol

[fallen oasis]

Get a nintendo power glove and then you can just leave the laptop in your backpack and do everything virtually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55JpDJkYjhk

[full vortex]

So this would be something more like it then? https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-G513QM-GeForce-9-5900HX-Windows/dp/B09C1VH35S/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1I32NQC79WDRY&keywords=asus%2Brog%2Btuf&qid=1655572339&sprefix=asus%2Brog%2Btuff%2B%2Caps%2C56&sr=8-15&th=1

[median marsh]

also only 6GB VRAM

[fallen oasis]

The one I linked which was just out of your price range had 8gb and a better gfx card and wasn't much more expensive than that.

Well, that's a lie, it kinda was £100 more expensive, but still.

[full vortex]

im changing the budget. Im learning as fast as i can. Not like i have infinite money but im trying to make the best purchase.

[median marsh]

which? the one you linked had 6GB?!

[full vortex]

he linked 2

this is in pre order and for mobile i just checked is 8GB https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predator-Helios-PH315-55-Gaming/dp/B0B1VQKWJ1/ref=sr_1_8?crid=3AY1KKZIMW9A6&keywords=Predator+Helios&qid=1655572302&sprefix=predator+helios+%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-8

[median marsh]

ah yea, the HP he linked still looks better

3070 > 3060 😛

[fallen oasis]

According to Acer's website, that specific model has 6gb of vram

There is a very similarly named model that has a 3070 instead of a 3060, which has 8gb of vram.

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/CA/content/predator-models/laptops/predatorhelios300

For reference

You'll notice that the 8gb vram model also has a better screen

[median marsh]

yea, i guess you'll see the 3060 either with 6 or 12gb

nothing in between

[full vortex]

The HP you linked cant be expanded to 32GB. Do you think thats worth sacrificing for the 8GB vram? thanks

This has a similar specs with 8gb vram https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-15-en1000na-pixels-GeForce-Windows/dp/B08W8P6SGM/ref=sr_1_5?crid=IFTHJ1VIML3R&keywords=OMEN+15-en1000na+QHD+Gaming+Laptop+-+NVIDIA®+GeForce+RTX™+3070&qid=1655573112&sprefix=omen+15-en1000na+qhd+gaming+laptop+-+nvidia+geforce+rtx+3070%2Caps%2C207&sr=8-5

[median marsh]

i dont know, all the shown laptops look more like they are made for casual gamers

not for productive working on them for hours

[full vortex]

Wouldnt say casual, but i agree with the argument. Im limited indeed for now, have been working like this for about a decade so im tryin to make the best of the situation

[fallen oasis]

My apologies, I was looking at the wrong model, that seems a good bet for the price, tbh.

[astral shell]

go to casino all on black.

you get a better laptop if you win

[median marsh]

thats more like putting all on 0 😄

[full vortex]

last question: do you think is worth sacrificing the expandable 32GB memory for the 8gb vram then?

i havent found any configuration that includes the expandable and the 8gb on my budget

[astral shell]

im telling you 8 gigs will run at 99% all the time. Your laptop will always be above 80 degrees.

[median marsh]

i rather hit 8GB vram usage than 16GB memory usage in UE

but baking lights for example with 16GB memory wont be a fun journey 😄

[full vortex]

The model you linked doesnt deliver for uk and i havent found something with similar specs, although it is outside of my budget i did look into it

[median marsh]

it will do 360deg noscopes

video memory usage doesn't correlate with gpu usage

[astral shell]

they are out of there minds with some of these laptop prices with these shit specs.

[full vortex]

im not as knowledgeable as you but it does seem to be the case.

I was eager to buy as zoom as possible but after this conversation (and in other servers) i will sit down a try to make it a bigger budget and reconsider my options

Thanks for the patience and for your sharing your knowledge

[astral shell]

3060 12 gigs vram, 32 gigs memory, 1 tb drive, cpu at least 3.5 ghz

that would be the base recommendation.

[full vortex]

thank you very much. I really appreciate all of you helping.

[astral shell]

yeah i did a little research seeing a lot of people compaining on reddit about anything lower than the 30 series

you'll find one

look on facebook marketplace too

even try bidding on ebay

[full vortex]

I will sit down and plan my budget around what i learned today, that will mean cutting from other plans

thanks

[astral shell]

np good luck 🙂

[full vortex]

just to share: im slowly accepting the fact i need at least the itx but leaning onto a desktop. My working assumption is based on the inertia of what has been my life the last 7 years, but it seems is biasing me very heavily. So i guess worst case scenario if the desktop becomes an inconvenience for moving i have to sell it as a collateral hassle. Thanks again to all of you.

[magic carbon]

Hi. If I have two sticks x16 GB and I want to add two more but 32gb each. Will it work fine?

[frank glade]

I've been using mITX for 2 gens already, love it. Current case is very small and I still have 2 SSD's and one HDD + Noctua NH D15

[frail pagoda]

should i downgrade to rtx 3060 from 3070 desktop?

and buy an nvme ssd

[frail pagoda]

or get an rx 6800 xt

🤷‍♂️

[fallen oasis]

Would not advise a 6800 xt.

Source: I own one.

[final mortar]

that depends on how many dimm slots you've got and your mobo's max memory. And matching those per channel.

Getting the same brand can help for easy XMP if you are already using it

[frail pagoda]

why wouldnt u?

[frail pagoda]

well

i can sell my rtx 3070 and buy rx 6800 xt for literally free (trade)

what do you mean?

aight, let's see in a moment

though rx 6800 xt have 16 GB vram and its performance is much better than RTX 3070

but with raytracing i'd say not really much diff, only 5~8%

if i looked to the benchmark for gaming

for rendering such as blender rx 6800 xt matches with rtx 3060, sometimes it gets better or worst.

i wouldn't mind if rx 6800 xt can last for a few years

or even some years : D

[fallen oasis]

Graphical issues

flickering and stuff

[frail pagoda]

how's that?

[fallen oasis]

Stuff flickers in the editor.

Why it happens? Who knows.

[frail pagoda]

can i have a screenshot though?

[median marsh]

😄

[fallen oasis]

How can I screenshot things not being on screen?

[median marsh]

or was it popup/tooltip flickering?

like "do you see the tooltip that is not there?" :>

[fallen oasis]

Gizmo and any visualizers

[frank glade]

dont forget the driver fiasco last year where substance painter just did not work with amd cards for a few months 😅

what is the issue? I just wanted to upgrade to 11 in a few days 👀

[frail pagoda]

alr

let's hope my rtx 3070 can last

[devout pendant]

@frail pagoda You're wanting the 3060 because it has more VRAM?

[frail pagoda]

yes

[wind egret]

By that perspective, even a 1080 Ti needs 800W.

[frail pagoda]

It depends though, i'm using intel's F version

The powerdraw is much lower than the K one

[fallen oasis]

Still boggles my mind how I can run a TR, 3080 ti and 6800 xt on a 750w...

Long story, but yes.

Well, it's a short story, really, but yeah.

[wind egret]

Probably not maxing them out at the same time, but if you are then you're certaily boggling the PSU's mind too.

[fallen oasis]

Likely that all 3 things never max at the same time.

The cards certainly don't work together that efficiently. Just some DX 12 shenanigans the 6800 only gets to about 40% while the 3080 is near 100.

It'd definitely fall over if I did that and ran prime95

[wind egret]

Probably won't be too long before the Nvidia halo card requires a spec for the wall outlet.

[frail pagoda]

just dont oc i think it'll be enough

except you want a maximum performance uh

[molten sluice]

Hey everyone. I want to bump up my games FPS for some Unreal cinematic animation work. I'm thinking about upgrading my PC but not sure considering new hardware is coming out.

I have an I7, GTX 1080, 2xGB RAM and Hero Maximus VIII motherboard.

Obviously I feel like my ram is a bottleneck (CPU cooler is block one RAM slot so I can't add x4.

What do you think? How about I just replace my 1080 with a 3090? Or I could upgrade the motherboard, CPU and ram and use my 1080 until that's upgraded.

[frail pagoda]

i mean

even an i7 gen 1 is beaten by i3 gen 10

or even pentium on some games

[jagged sleet]

Hey guys do you know which desktop is the cheapest but advanced enough for cgi and vfx? Thanks

[median marsh]

why would they even? something that no one of the 750W+ league can explain 😛

i still wonder what PSU you got, like single or multi rail

[fallen oasis]

be quiet straight power 11

[median marsh]

interesting, they are multi rail if i'm not wrong

jack had problems with the straight power 11 850W and a 3090

[fallen oasis]

I believe so.

[median marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ&t=680s 😄

[fallen oasis]

Yeah, I watched half of that.

[median marsh]

that video is actually really good

and here he goes into detail why 750W can be enough 😄

and should be enough

thanks tank for proving my statement 👍

[fallen oasis]

I have to admit, I definitely cheaped out on the PSU. I should have gotten a more powerful one to be safe. But it seems to be going alright.

[median marsh]

yea, specially with 2 power hungry GPUs

[fallen oasis]

That wasn't the original plan.

[median marsh]

but then as said, most likely only one is doing heavy rendering at the time

[fallen oasis]

I started off with a 6800 xt because of a nvidia sync issue (i.e. my monitor not workign with it.)

But it was fucked for UE.

[median marsh]

but those bar graphs... really are for the 99% 😄

i want to see graphs

and wonder how big caps a card would need to flatten the spikes

this could totally be solved on the card

or its a non existing problem (unless for cheap PSUs)

[fallen oasis]

Just don't buy cheap PSUs. I didn't buy a cheap one. Just a good medium power range one!

[median marsh]

indeed

but its 300µseconds

which the caps should/do catch

[fallen oasis]

Unless you have a tiny PSU with no capacitors.

[median marsh]

well, i sucked at capacity calculations 😄

so idk how big it would need to be to catch 50A/600W for 300µS

[fallen oasis]

Well it doesn't need to catch that.

It only needs to catch the excess.

So it's half that for 300 micro seconds.

0.108W of power

[median marsh]

yea, but it's still 50A draw

half that? i guess there aren't any extra caps for those spikes, it's just if the regular ones are designed big enough to catch the spikes

the caps usually work all the time to filter the voltage

as spikes in power draw are common, specially for cpus/gpus

[fallen oasis]

By half that I mean, the regular draw of 300W (or so) is still being supplied happily.

So the caps only have to cover the shortfall.

[median marsh]

yea possible

i'm not an PSU expert tho 😄

mostly the problem seems to be that a protection kicks in, which should save the whole power supply from turning into flames 😄

but if you had caps big enough on the GPU, the PSU wouldn't even see the spike that hard (they usually get charged slower than they can be discharged)

so it would flatten the spike, from 300µS 300W extra to 1mS 100W extra

[median marsh]

is it like with liers that one psu noob detects another?

[median marsh]

ah yes

so you think the earth isn't flat?

[fallen oasis]

The problem with the flat Earth theory... it's just not well rounded.

[frail pagoda]

how was it

[proud helm]

#hardware

[fallen oasis]

I'd said multiple times.

To you.

[frail pagoda]

xD

[fickle shoal]

I wanna upgrade my pc which one is better ryzen or intel ?? For graphic

[fallen oasis]

There's no real difference.

What I do when I buy new hardware is look at comparison charts, work out a performance/price and decide where my cut off is for "is it worth paying this much more for this much more performance?"

[median marsh]

if you can afford DDR5 you might go with intel because you can most likely keep some components in your next upgrade, otherwise it doesn't matter really

[fickle shoal]

Thanks for you all

That means I’ll buy Z690-A DDR5 for next upgrade in feature right?

[median marsh]

well, it can most likely run next gen intel

and if you decide to switch mobo/cpu you still have the memory which can be used

[fallen oasis]

There were graphical glitches in viewports. Flickering or things not appearing entirely (think of it as a indefinite "flicker" as it appeared very occasionally for a split second.)

[fickle shoal]

Is there big deferent between I9 and I7 ?

[uncut pasture]

that question is so utterly vague

[fickle shoal]

😩because I see lot of friend use Intel I5 so that I ask is there big deferent between Intel I7 and Intel I9 ??

I hope you forgive me I’m not good in pc hardware

[uncut pasture]

you see this question is incredibly vague: just like is there a big difference between ford and dodge?

there are a lof of i7 and i9 processors out there

[fickle shoal]

To use in blender3d and UE5

[uncut pasture]

again depends on which specific processors you're looking at

[devout pendant]

I’d like to follow up on the train of thought where trading in a 8GB 3070 for a 12GB 3060 is “better for UE dev.”

Anyone have benchmarks for something like this? I have the opportunity for this trade, but it seems unusual.

I’m familiar with VRAM for playing at higher resolutions, but is there a UE dev process that is VRAM hungry ??

[frank glade]

There is, check out puget benchmarks. If the vram is full, fps tanks to single digits

[devout pendant]

I don’t understand though, it sounds like the VRAM is about runtime performance using Nanite/Lumen….

Basically that something like a 10% performance lift in the 3070 isn’t worth the 4GB of VRAM you lose…

You gain a lot of CUDA cores though….

[frank glade]

not only, for complex scenes too (like the megascans temple/cave) - some take over 12gb depending on resolution

[devout pendant]

Interesting

I wonder if RTX4090 will also have 24GB?

Damn that 3060 score is almost 1.7x the 3070

[fallen oasis]

I'd love to see the amd stats there too!

[devout pendant]

Damn that 3080 Ti score is almost 3.5x the 3070

[median marsh]

i would decide on your project, you can get along with 8GB fine

while others struggle

doesn't nvidia have a tool on windows to check vram usage?

[frail pagoda]

i dont think there's a significant performance between i9 and i7 for gen 12

especially i9 extra core is only E-Cores

i mean i9 do have more frequency than i7 though

if your budget is limited i7 would be a decent option i suppose

but i preferably choose over ryzen 5900x or ryzen 9 5950x

they are much better in workload productions, except gaming.

i hope intel is able to make all p-cores like amd do though, it'd be much better for having 32 threads for an i9

if you are not buying DDR5

then consider to buy ryzen 9 5900x instead

or ryzen 9 5950x

[frail pagoda]

i agree

those "e-cores" are only useful for light intensive programs

[median marsh]

take a ryzen, declare 8 cores as single thread only, and you got what intel sells you 😛

24 threads and still lower tdp than intel...

[frail pagoda]

just imagine lol

i9-12900k has a higher tdp than ryzen 9 5950x

[median marsh]

they pretty much all do 😄

even the i5-12600k

efficiency my butt 😄

[frail pagoda]

liars 🗿

isn't nvidia making a cpu?

it'd be interesting though, i hope the motherboard is like amd not like intel every 2 generations u have to switch to new one.

[median marsh]

well, they actually do draw less power in some tasks, but the efficiency thing is just overrated imho

if you want an efficient cpu you have to go for a mobile one

[frail pagoda]

not in our case, which is kinda "heavy workload"

i'm using blender, unreal engine and sort of stuff

[median marsh]

also if it takes 5% more power but takes only 90% of the time for a task, it's still more efficient

but theres second to none "benchmarks" about that in the wild

[frail pagoda]

imagine getting only4 threads for i9 from i7

[devout pendant]

I'm building it!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823739092327989278/989833705092677642/IMG_0530.jpg?width=853&height=639

This guy said he'd give me $100 and a 3060 for my 3070. Still not sure about that yet.

[frail pagoda]

that's a bad deal though

i can sell rtx 3070 for around $650 - $660 for the current market on indonesia

and buy rtx 3060 for $460 - $480

sadly i cant buy these cards for msrp, nearly impossible

[frail pagoda]

only basic models like zotac or gigabyte

the 3 fan models or better cooling vrm is around $490 - 540

only if i decided to buy ryzen 9 5950x in the past and save up some money for 1 month to buy rtx 3060

welp

i bought rtx 3070 for $765

still a good deal, if i would have buy rtx 3060 ti

it'd be a shame lol

[timber cobalt]

Hey, I am looking for headphones for work/listening music/meetings.
I would like :

• circumaural type
• preferably open back, but closed back is fine as well
• I don't mind wired version
• with active noise cancelling
• built in mic is a plus
• with a more linear frequency response (so without bass boost)
• with a €200-300 range maybe

Any tips ? :)

[devout pendant]

Congrats

[frail pagoda]

wym

[devout pendant]

You got a new GPU that’s exciting

[frail pagoda]

It's been 1 month ago, i kinda regret for not waiting the price went lower 30%

[devout pendant]

Oh I see

[frail pagoda]

Hmm, should unreal engine fine with SATA 3 SSD?

i wanna grab a 2 TB ssd (v-gen or better)

nvme ssd is pricey to me though

[rugged wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyrtgIsu6Kg

rate my air case

[rugged wedge]

the duct tape fell off :(

and now I can't turn the computer off - if I do I no longer have a power switch to turn it back on

[vernal trench]

Hello everyone! I'm going to start working as UE C++ developer from home and I probably will need to upgrade my setup sooner or later. What are the recommended specs for game dev in Unreal Engine?

[median marsh]

all you can afford

[vernal trench]

On the Unreal Engine they put this specs as reference, but I don't know if I need that much ram, for example:
Windows 10 64-bit

64 GB RAM

256 GB SSD (OS Drive)

2 TB SSD (Data Drive)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970

Xoreax Incredibuild (Dev Tools Package)

Six-Core Xeon E5-2643 @ 3.4GHz

[median marsh]

we don't know either, because we don't know what projects you work on

[vernal trench]

Mainly VR experiences

[median marsh]

but i can assure you that 4GB video memory won't bring you far

so unlit VR where you are in a room with a cube and thats it?

[vernal trench]

That's why I dont trust very much that specs.... And I cant specify more the projects because I dont know yet 😅

[median marsh]

ok, let me tell you this way, today i looked at 3090 prices because 12GB VRAM isn't cutting it for me....

...and then i decided to wait for 4k series and do something else in the meantime 😄

[devout pendant]

Yeah, let's go RTX4090 !!

I want to see what they come up with! I have the PSU ready and waiting…

[fallen oasis]

For the first time, rtx uses the same number for model, price and power consumption!

[devout pendant]

Lol oh shit

[wind egret]

They wouldn't create a new type of pcie power connector if they didn't expect to use it.
...Although it's Nvidia, they probably would.

[rugged wedge]

does anyone have an LG C1 OLED 48" as their main monitor? if so how's game dev on it

[frail pagoda]

my 3070 is cryin

[frank glade]

I have a 42" LG, love it, can't go back

[devout pendant]

😦

[rugged wedge]

how far do you sit from it?

[median marsh]

i scraped a working 24" LED screen from the electronics trash yesterday 😄

[frank glade]

probably around 90-100cm

4k, no dpi scaling

[rugged wedge]

thanks

[median marsh]

probably lovely to do sequence editing, but anything else i would prefer two "small" screens over a big one

[frank glade]

Honestly a joy to use any software with the screen real estate. I used my two 25 inch screens for a while but everything is so cramped

Can totally recommend 42+" it's like four 21 inch full HD screens

[rich lily]

so im saving up for a new computer, whats best for film making on unreal? What would you recommend below 2k euros?

[frail pagoda]

ryzen 9 5900x rtx 3090 / rtx 3080 ti or rtx 3080 12 gb

if u have more then spend on ryzen 9 5950x : D

use the b series board for cheaper motherboard

[kind talon]

Don't do that with a 5950x, that's just asking for trouble

[frail pagoda]

I forgot to say dont do that for 5950x

Thanks

[cobalt mist]

Can u suggest me a cpu for unreal engine under 700$

[vivid skiff]

Ryzen 9 5950X

You're going to need the multicore for compiling UE stuff

[cobalt mist]

So half of money goes into processor

[vivid skiff]

At least from what I see, 5950X is around $650
Though it doesn't seem to have APU/integrated GPU, so you're going to need a dedicated GPU (or two if you're going to use Linux with KVM and hardware passthrough)

[cobalt mist]

I will use window

In India ryzen 5959x is cheap

456$

[median marsh]

well, a 5900x is also good if you want to save some money

[vestal nacelle]

Have you tried that card with UE on linux? thinking of buying it

[devout pendant]

Is i5 5200 + 930M too weak to watch youtube 1080P 60 fps? The video halts a lot, hiccups, it doesn't play smoothly

[zinc ingot]

sorry, I try to send the original link than, its not in english sorry 😦

this link works? I am a technical anti talent sorry.

ok sec. thx.

Gaming PC , Intel Core i5 11400F Rocket Lake 4,4 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB, RAM 16GB DDR4, SSD 1000GB + HDD 2TB 7200 RPM, Without Optical Drive, Wi-Fi, HDMI and DisplayPort, 2× USB 3.1, 4× USB 2.0, Case Type: Midi Tower, Windows 11 Home

I removed the two links I posted here , as they are bugged.

yes to play just 🙂

maybe I asked for help in wrong channel oopss

thanks for answer, can I post 1 more spec?

Gaming PC , Intel Core i7 10700KF Comet Lake 5,1 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8GB, RAM 32GB DDR4, SSD 2000GB, Without Optical Drive, Wi-Fi, HDMI and DisplayPort, 4× USB 3.1, 2× USB 2.0, Case Type: Midi Tower, Windows 10 Pro

for 2K gaming with ray tracing on it can last for how many years? Thx.

thx for help

Or maybe wait for new nvdia rtx 4000 series and see, at what price they will be in stores?

maybe rtx 3000 gpu prices will drop?

thx, I am a total noob technical non-expert 🙂

One of my friends told me , I should buy rtx 4070, but only rumours are about that card nothing official yet

[devout pendant]

Mmm, I can't wait for RTX4000 series.

As I understand it, they will launch with the 4090, and later introduce 3080 and 3070. I want to see the VRAM and power draw on that 4090!

[fallen oasis]

You don't like the environment, do you? 😛

[devout pendant]

I've got the 1.2kW PSU ready and waiting…

[vestal nacelle]

Bought it anyway lol

[wet ore]

hx1200 reporting for duty o7

[storm plank]

Me too wiating for rtx 4000 series because after that, price of rtx 3000 series will drop so that I can buy a second hand GTX laptop 🤣🤣🤣

[barren goblet]

It would make loading from disk and transfers faster compiling is based on CPU and ram

So yeah unreal would load a little faster, games would load a little faster

Now it’s not really an insane difference but yeah

Basically any disk operation

Right yeah nvme are def worth it and faster than an ssd

I have two 1tb that I store unreal and projects on

And it’s wonderful haha

[median marsh]

all depends on a few factors, like cache and use case

and i would rather go 1tb than 512gb... they get full so quick 😄

[frail pagoda]

Should i use my nvme as an os or just the projects?

Well windows 11 consumes a huge size of it thoufh

I have used 150 GiBs

[median marsh]

i would use it for assets and such

stuff that is big and would profit from quick transfer speeds

OS files are usually small and get cached anyways (so you wont notice much difference between sata and nvme ssd)

[median marsh]

well, you are likely to hit a cpu bottleneck with nvme transfer speeds

but copying a bunch of texture data from nvme to gpu memory should benefit from nvme, so get sure to put unreals DDC on the NVME 😄 (also your windows page file if you have low memory)

[warm agate]

Hello, I am a student going into university where I will use Unreal Engine and I need a new laptop

the recommended spec is pretty high, with rtx 3080, 16gb RAM minimum

these are the laptops I have found suitable so far in the price range ~$1500-2000

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yj_iQK0bFOahT-2UF0tV-uPY_0LaFwHORngwlEmTZc/edit?usp=sharing

Thoughts? I haven't had any of the brands

MSI GT77 Titan seems best but MSI GE76 Raider seems like better bang for the buck + should perform better when overclocked in theory

[median marsh]

those prices are the minimum configuration?

the one you want is most likely >$2k

more like >$4k

[warm agate]

mid?

[median marsh]

i mean the prices you listed in the doc

they are the minimum configuration of that laptop models, not the one which you wrote down

so more like i5/i7 with integrated graphics or something

[warm agate]

damn, I hope 2000 is not considered a minimum because that is a lot

tho it depends on storage and how much is invested in the monitor

[median marsh]

also i would say good bye to the idea to overclock a laptop, their thermal design is usually at the limit and even in stock configuration it may throttle due to overheating

you wont find a "good" laptop for unreal under $2k, even for desktop thats a close call

it'll always be a compromise

wouldn't even think about an HDD for unreal

yes, for backups 😄

but thats it probably (in terms of development)

content library does

source control maybe too, depends

[astral musk]

that MSI GE76 Raider is $4100 as you configured, but with only 32GB of RAM

[warm agate]

64gb RAM is around 2k

2tb ssd is $2k exactly

[median marsh]

oO

2k gigabytes, yes 😄

[astral musk]

but to note, Unreal will work on a lower end laptop. the trade off is longer compile times, and less stuff on screen. so If you are looking to do mobile games, you are probably fine. just dont expect to be running the UE5 City sample

[warm agate]

Well it is a university but we are going to be working with serious graphics

[warm agate]

this is their minimums

[median marsh]

possible, but not on large scenes

[astral musk]

thats a big range from 2060 to 3080

[warm agate]

So from what I gather solid SSD, good graphics card and higher RAM is what I need to look into?

[warm agate]

I would assume 2060 is the barest of minimum

these are some games the students at the uni do https://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Breda University of Applied Sciences

[median marsh]

idk why an university has to teach unreal in the first place...

that just makes it expensive for the students for no reason

[warm agate]

I think they are partnered with Epic

I applied with a Unity game and got in haha

tho it is a simple 2d action platformer

[astral musk]

none of those are super graphics intensive. try to get a 3000 series card, and figure out how to work around your limitations.

remember, most people on steam dont have that nice of a card anyways, so if you can't run the game, neither can your customers

[warm agate]

I second that

[median marsh]

well the thing is, their specs are ok for learning and doing small/medium sized stuff

but you might hit a wall if you want to use it for more advanced things

[warm agate]

I have heard that Unreal Engine 5 somewhat helps performance with how it manages the polygon count in projects? Hopefully we use 5 and not 4

[median marsh]

i would rather cut a bit down on the GPU, e.g. take a 3070 instead of 3080

and more towards 2k instead of 4k display (which also reduces gpu load)

and is more than enough for 17" laptop 😄

[warm agate]

3060 would be doable too?

[astral musk]

if you are trying to be a programmer, then perspective employers wont care about your graphics. If you want to be an artist, they just want stills, not a full game.

[median marsh]

3060 has only 6gb vram in most laptops 😭

[astral musk]

so just play to those strengths

[warm agate]

I will be in Design and Production so I will be doing a bit of all

[warm agate]

same how most are 4k 144hz too

in reality I don't think I need more than 120hz 2k

after all I can get a monitor in the future and not be bothered too much about it at this time

[median marsh]

indeed

also i9 is nice to have, but most likely an i7 will do

or ryzen equivalent

[warm agate]

I always try to get AMD but they don't pop up as often

there is the Lenovo Legion 5 pro

but it seems overpriced for what it does

[median marsh]

well it looks good tho

8core/16thread, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd, 3070 with 8gb

that's not too bad

for around 2k

[astral musk]

thats solid

[median marsh]

also anti glare display, which is a big plus imho 😄

glare is just a pita for work

[warm agate]

tho meanwhile MSI GT77 Titan is 64gb RAM with a 3080

for a bit cheaper

[median marsh]

not for 2k

never

[warm agate]

hmm

oh god

4k

what is this versus.com doing messing me up with these amazon prices

back to 0

[median marsh]

i told you they show the price for the minimum spec of that laptop

[warm agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/799819121273470976.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[median marsh]

you won't get 3080 + 64gb ram <3k

[warm agate]

It is weird because I can select the specifications and the price changes, this website is bugged af

ok this changes everything lmao

[median marsh]

but the lenovo legion 5 is a good choice either ways 😄

the amd one which is around 2k

[warm agate]

indeed

I guess I will go either for it or the MSI GE76 Raider

[median marsh]

the MSI has 11th gen intel... and 2gb less vram and slower gpu in general

i think you can get along with 32GB, it's not perfect but neither too bad

[warm agate]

Aye

Thank you for the help everyone, it helped a lot

[astral musk]

NP. and good luck in school!

[warm agate]

Many thanks! 🙏

[devout pendant]

Hey guys is this lappy good enough for an engine like unreal ?

[fallen oasis]

4gb of vram is not enough

Nor is 8gb of ram.

[vivid skiff]

Not enough for UE5 City Sample but enough for lower scalability game.

Though storage is not going to be enough, so you'd have to have an external SSD attached at all times

[frail pagoda]

is upgrading to rtx 3070 ti worth it?

though i can sell my second rtx 3070 and buy rtx 3070 ti for free

a second one rtx 3070 ti (3 month used for gaming) should be good aint it

[frail pagoda]

Well i certainly dont, but i will have more power from the ti version though

But i get them for free to be exact

More cuda cores and rt?

And tflops

But ugh, why it requires like literally 70W more?

[dreamy hedge]

🤭 😄

[golden dirge]

Would a Gen4 SSD be "worth it"? Looking to speed up CPP compile/linking, and project loads mainly. Keeping in mind that DirectStorage is likely to land for UE eventually too, though IDK how much difference that would make. You certainly stress random IO during game dev, from what I understand.

Raw transfer speeds won't be the bottleneck for sure, but IOPS/ access latencies can cause slow downs that wouldn't show up there. Maybe.

But also constantly loading into the game only gets slower as the project develops further, which sounds like random I/O bottleneck

Oh didn't realise it had an active time too, and not just the transfer rate

Yeah didn't quite get to that stage, but did get from 50-70% at a few points. It's going to look less pretty once I get more RAM too, as current compilation parallelism is usually 1-2 lol

16GB RAM life

But yeah, it sounds stupid and is 100% inefficient, but I just really hate dev friction. Time spent waiting demoralises me a lot more than it should

Oh I'm buying one anyway, just trying to figure out if I should shell out for Gen4 while I'm at it too I guess

😦 Using a laptop, and 64GB is the max I can get

Oh yeah, there's so much to it lol. Even raw speeds are fairly useless, Unreal hardly ever spends long loading one file in, save for Nanite assets I guess. In dev it's mostly just random file accesses

[golden dirge]

Anyway, I'm an absolute potato. My laptop (or rather all current AMD laptops) do not support Gen4 SSDs, so might as well re-use a 1TB one from my desktop that's just sitting unused

[lilac shore]

Not the Necro a old old old conversation but I couldn't help myself

https://youtu.be/wnRyyCsuHFQ

Ben, from within this video it's referenced that gpus can have power draw spikes of upto 150 percent their specced requirements. So a 3090 can draw theoretical 600 watts 😅

[golden dirge]

Pre-RTX cards topped out at ~200W usually, and the TDPs are spiking hard ATM. It's wack

[median marsh]

that video was posted, AND if you watched it you should have noticed that he mentions that a good psu is able to handle those spikes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ&t=680s

so 750W can supply 950W for those spikes, so there's still 300W left for the cpu/mainboard/etc.

plenty if you ask me

[golden dirge]

My issue with requiring a good PSU is, what even is a good PSU? The SSD market has shown time and again that manufacturers downgrade SKUs post-review quite often, and if the same happens with PSUs, things will go wrong

It just means you need to build in additional overhead for your PSU, as well as shell out for a higher end one.

[median marsh]

i only noticed samsung do that once, and they are still within their provided specs

what some 3rd party tests is another thing, you can be certainly sure that every hardware product is subject to change

[golden dirge]

WD, Crucial, etc have all done it, and some of those downgrades brought down reliability ratings too

[median marsh]

then they changed their spec tho

[golden dirge]

Sure, but your local retailer's store page won't necessarily reflect that

[median marsh]

thats why i dont trust them as primary data source

[golden dirge]

Buying hardware can be a bit of Russian roulette, but doing so with PSUs would be risking some very expensive components severly

[median marsh]

i've never had the case that a PSU destroyed components, but i had 2 blown up PSUs, still the other components had been fine

i think once i had an pc for repair which was struck by lighting and had defect components, but that was an OEM PSU tho

[golden dirge]

As someone in a hot state in a hot country (Australia), pls no lol

Either that or I'll move to Norway and swap heating out for a 2 megawatt PSU

Seriously, my fairly mundane desktop (3080, 5800x) put out an insane amount of heat

Isn't it fairly cut and dry? If you can afford it, double your "max" TDP for efficiency's sake, and that deals with transient spike issues... for now

Well here's a 1000W PSU's efficiency curve. American power distribution choices, lol

[fallen oasis]

Silly 'murika using 120v

[median marsh]

here's a curve that i just drew

the part below the 0 line is how many f*** i give about a random efficiency curve

arent you making a prebuilt anyways? just a custom one

finally someone notices

[gray sky]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a second/third monitor? i currently have an m27q so i’d probably want something larger to display multiple pages or code

[barren goblet]

They, at least from the benchmarks I’ve seen, also perform less than nvidia cards

That’s kinda what I’m saying they don’t. Yes they are quieter and consume less but technically they don’t perform the same

Now does that matter to everyone? Probably not

Sure they are. Matter of fact apple claimed their new card is better than a 3090

And it was proven that not only is that false, a 3050 also outperforms it in some cases

Lemme find the video of the guy that did the benchmarks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkjupEC6gw

He quoted the tech talk that apple did

Apple even showed a graph

And this guy did benchmarks putting it to the test

Then what tech talk was used in the video?

Was the apple live event releasing the Mac studio

Where they showed a graph of their card versus a 3090

[wind egret]

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/03/apple-unveils-m1-ultra-the-worlds-most-powerful-chip-for-a-personal-computer/
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/mac/standard/Apple-M1-Ultra-gpu-performance-01_big.jpg.large.jpg

It definitely says 3090. That's on Apple's own website.

It doesn't specify what they tested. Could be a CPU-limited benchmark that's crippling the 3090 there, and Apple beating Intel would not be much of a surprise at all. They wouldn't have to go much further to beat AMD's CPUs either... I think.

How much of a 3090 goes to waste if you're encoding?

Considering it's a shudderingly huge 5nm chip, it could probably do better.

M2 Ultra when?

[median marsh]

wait they had a 3090 system which drew 450W? IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

good that they listened to #hardware and went with a 1200W PSU 😄

[wind egret]

And the 12900k accounts for the other 100w? It probably uses that while idle.

[median marsh]

no, it uses less (under idle at least)

[wind egret]

My potato sucks 70w idle (whole system) and it frustrates me.

[median marsh]

he said it drew 450W from the socket, idk that PSU, but if thats true the components did drew 400W

with ~90% efficiency

and that wasn't a FE card, was it?

Asus TUF RTX3090

[wind egret]

The graph was only 320w. Did they put it in a case with one fan?

[median marsh]

well

first of all, we don't know if that PSU really shows socket or component draw

if it's really socket draw, then the above said with ~400W is more likely

did apple claim the 320W for the whole system or just the GPU?

which could be around that 320W if you consider that the 400W include cpu, AIO, etc.

and that's even what they draw from socket

so the components draw around 10% less overall

they can get away with a 250W psu 😛

or 200W

would be interesting what they actually use

on the other hand they do this...

Electrical and Operating Requirements
Maximum continuous power: 370W

source: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP865?locale=en_GB

[wind egret]

M2 is 20%ish better than M1

[wind egret]

Though the M1 is a low end part, with a fraction of a GPU. The M1 Pro doubles the GPU, and the M1 Max doubles it again. Then there's the M1 Ultra (the one being compared to the 3090) that is two whole M1 Maxes stapled together.
The M2 series might be different, but it's still probably not going to be faster than a 3090. Unless the rumor of an M2 Extreme is true. Even if it is, an M1 Ultra is already twice as big as a 3090, so an M2 Extreme....

[barren goblet]

Right but that isn’t how that works. Because you can’t just “increase the watts” and expect more power necessarily

Not really calling anyone a liar but apple showing a graph that says “we perform better than a 3090” isn’t accurate or at the very least they used a very specific test

And yes that’s the graph I was referring to which is in the video of him going over it

it’s def still impressive hardware. But in the video the guy tested some popular benchmarking and software (names escape me at the moment) and it looked like the 3090 was taking the win in just about every category

[golden dirge]

FPGAs man, the way forward is efficient hardware that reprograms itself for the task at hand. Or much more single-purpose, dedicated hardware for common tasks

I mean on-board things like GPUs, they already can contain things like hardware video encoders, ray tracing accelerators, matrix processors, decompression engines etc

If you mean for FPGA, then it should do the opposite

[barren goblet]

Def agree. I do think apple needs to make some software changes as well to support more or convince devs to make apps for apple. If they can do that and continue the trend of good hardware I think they could take over

[fallen oasis]

Apple aren't going to, though.

[golden dirge]

Yeah what specific models of each?

[barren goblet]

Yeah they probably won’t. Which is why PC really isn’t gojng anywhere

[golden dirge]

Single core seems pretty weak on the Xeon, but multi-core is a fair bit better. Think you'd be better off with even a 3800X if you can stretch for it
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_3600x-vs-intel_xeon_e5_2698_v3

(Going off Cinebench R15, which seems to be the only common benchmark between the two)

[golden dirge]

Pop it in PCPaetPicker TBH, much nicer

[open nova]

Thanks didn’t know that was a thing!

[open nova]

I’m building a pc for unreal engine game development and i need suggestions/tips https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[median marsh]

thats not the correct link?!

it has to have some ID in it, so that it links to your list

[open nova]

sorry here https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GavinNegron/saved/#view=3qXdbv

[median marsh]

wth is the 512GB 970 pro so expensive?

PSU is totally oversized for pretty much anything

even laura will agree with me on this 😄

i would drop all 3 SSDs that you picked and go for 2x 2TB m2 pciex ssds

why 3900x and not 5950x?

and i would go for a 3060 over a 3060TI if it is for gamedev

you'll have more benefits of the 4gb more vram

[golden dirge]

What the chaotic fuck is that storage

PS pretty sure AMD CPUs do not support NVME Gen 4, so you'd just waste your money on the Rocket 4

[median marsh]

dealer: which storage do you want?
customer: yes

[golden dirge]

Also, been a long time since I saw someone voluntarily pick a spinning rust drive

[median marsh]

why wouldn't they support them?

[golden dirge]

AM4 is old

You can use them as Gen 3 ones, but what are you even paying for at that point?

[median marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/8Aug02l.png

x570 has pretty much everything pci ex4

[golden dirge]

Okay nevermind I'm wrong. That's a laptop thing :|

[median marsh]

and even the b550 does to some extend

just the downlink to the chipset is pci express 3.0 and so everything that hangs on it

[golden dirge]

I've gotta look at the build on my PC, but Jesus managing 12 different storage devices would make every single download or install living hell for me

[median marsh]

so yea even on some desktops theres only one slot which would support 4.0

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fv8j4D/samsung-970-evo-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s2t0bam would just take 2 of these

and drop the 3 other ssds

[golden dirge]

Yup, could even RAID them

[median marsh]

thats what i wouldn't do

[golden dirge]

3900X feels out of place, is the 5900/5950 a lot more?

[median marsh]

they are fast enough, so raid0 just makes it more likely for a total data loss

and raid1... not worth either imho

[golden dirge]

And increases latency but also increases bandwidth 🤷

[median marsh]

yea but they are really fast enough on their own

[golden dirge]

With UE latency feels pretty important, lots of IO happening all the time

[median marsh]

i would only raid1 them for data that has to be available 24/7 and where every minute of downtime costs you money

5950x is even less in the US, like $100

and should perform better?!

[golden dirge]

A lot better

4 more cores, better IPC, better multi-core scaling IIRC

[open nova]

i know nothing about building pcs i tried my best lol

[median marsh]

is that machine for unreal dev, or more for gaming?

[golden dirge]

I'd bump to 3080 12 GB/Ti if possible, simplify storage to Ben's suggestion, and reduce the PSU to something like an RM 850X at the most. If you're going with the 3060, even 650W should be ok

[open nova]

for unreal dev

some gaming

[open nova]

i cant find the 2TB m2 pciex ssds that youre talking about

[golden dirge]

DW, if it was hot trash we'd laugh react and move on hah

[median marsh]

are you in US or where?

[golden dirge]

UK

Raine

[open nova]

us

[golden dirge]

Check out this website as well - https://www.logicalincrements.com/

If your PSU can't handle 4 average 80s familes concurrently, why even bother

Also, the Intel CPUs may be better, aside from having to shell out a few kidneys for DDR5

[median marsh]

no

am5 platform

so most likely new socket

@open nova whats your budget?

[golden dirge]

AM5 for sure, lots of pin schematics and stuff leaking and looks like a more dense or bigger socket

[open nova]

3000 usd max

[golden dirge]

$3500 gets you a pretty sick PC

[median marsh]

including case?

[golden dirge]

Heck, at $4000 you may even get DDR5 RAM for days

Nah jk but is EOFY a thing for you?

[open nova]

i don’t need a monitor with it i already have two good ones

[golden dirge]

Flex, I use my phone screen for game Dev. Remote into my laptop for the keyboard 🥔

[open nova]

not really

a lot of 3d rendering and compiling will be done everyday

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mnfL4s

my 2 cents 😛

if you need a case and want to stay below $3k, drop the HDD and buy it later maybe

you get 4TB instead of 2.5TB SSD space anyways

[golden dirge]

HDD is just so painfully slow for today's standards. Even compiling code can see a slowdown on them SMH

[median marsh]

yea, and for backups

[golden dirge]

I'd drop mobo quality for another 2-4TB SSD TBH

[open nova]

i’m fine with going over 3000 if needed but not by a lot

[golden dirge]

Not having to hear that grating noise brings me joy

[median marsh]

i think that board has the better layout in terms of what hangs on the chipset and what not

[golden dirge]

I actually had that exact mobo before too, pretty nice but can't say I'd spend the premium again for not much gain

[median marsh]

i also had to decide back then, and picked the rog strix over the TUF because of that

[golden dirge]

Not cheap, but Strix is in the exxy side

[median marsh]

isn't the non-ti 10gb only?

[golden dirge]

I just remember buying that for like AU$500 1-2 years ago, whenever the 5800X released. Doesn't seem to have had the price adjusted

[median marsh]

i'd rather save money on the cpu and go for 5900x instead of 5950x if you really want to cut costs

[golden dirge]

But the core count, imagine compiling shaders on 32 threads. Would go down from weeks to days!

[median marsh]

xD

the usual UE user doesn't do that so often

[open nova]

what case would you recommend for this

[golden dirge]

UE5P ruined me, it was constant recompiles for some reason. Seems to have calmed down a lot in proper 5 though

[median marsh]

honestly it doesn't matter that much, that's mainly a question of personal choice

[golden dirge]

The Lian Li Lancool II is amazing to build in, and looks cool too. Chunky though

[open nova]

I dont know the difference 😅

[golden dirge]

Assuming all components fit! RTX cards get looooooooong

[golden dirge]

Mid Tower: big. Full: big, but more.

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gDxbt6/be-quiet-pure-base-500-atx-mid-tower-case-bgw36 that's what i use

[fallen oasis]

I have about 8" behind my RTX card.

[median marsh]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FCK2FT/be-quiet-pure-base-500dx-atx-mid-tower-case-bgw37 that is the fancy version of it

[fallen oasis]

I have a stupidly large case.

[open nova]

then mid

[golden dirge]

My RGB boi

[open nova]

does the size affect anything

[median marsh]

but there are many nice and good cases at ~$100

i do like the later posted bequiet because of the mesh front, should give an good airflow

[golden dirge]

Storage device support, graphics card length allowed, overall cooling (roughly). And size of course

[median marsh]

and they are really compact, but should fit the 3080

[golden dirge]

Bigger cases might take bigger fans which cool your PC and output less noise

[median marsh]

not necessarily

small case, you get good airflow and the hot air gets out quick

the be!quiet comes with 2 fans btw. and you should buy 2 extra 120mm ones

more fans = less noise because they can spin slower ^

[golden dirge]

can, if you set them up to

[median marsh]

yea, but asus mainboard makes that kind of foolproof 😄

[golden dirge]

But fewer, bigger fans also can result in more airflow

[median marsh]

their bios handles it quite well by default

[golden dirge]

Huh, no. At least not the AIO

It just blared all fans 80-100% conatantly

[median marsh]

oh i see, i don't have experience with AIO

[golden dirge]

Stupidly loud in my case, and every BIOS update I had to redo fan curves, especially for front intake fans

I got the knockoff Noctuas too, which push heaps of air even at low speeds, while the high speeds got LOUD. Sometimes I'd worry my desktop was taking off

[open nova]

i think im gonna choose this case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kpx2FT/nzxt-h510-elite-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-h510e-w1

[golden dirge]

If you're going with BQ fans though, they're uh... quiet

[median marsh]

@open nova just check how much fans are included

and dont forget to order extra ones in case

[open nova]

2 fans it says

[open nova]

wdym

[median marsh]

would go with 2 extra fans then, so that you have 4 total

yea, thats how my radeon rx570 died 😭

[open nova]

it says it has 3 fan channels what does that mean

how do i find out how many fans it can fit

that might be a dumb question

[median marsh]

https://nzxt.com/product/h510-elite

at least 4 😄

because there are 4 in the picture 🧠

[open nova]

ohhhhh i get it

[median marsh]

yea wait, the size they can fit differs a lot

like mine couldn't fit 2x200mm in the front

but the page says

Aer RGB 2 140mm Fans
2

Aer F 120mm (Case Version)
1

Aer F 140mm (Case Version)
1

so maybe it comes with 4? Oo

[open nova]

should i just get 2 more of the same fans that come with the case or different ones

[median marsh]

that's what it can fit

Front:2 x 120mm / 2 x 140mm
Top:1 x 120mm / 1 x 140mm
Rear:1 x 120mm

it kinda looks like it will come with 4 fans already

where did you see that it comes with 2?

NZXT level of confusion

[open nova]

in the amazon description it says

New features: Front I/O USB Type-C Port, Dual Tempered Glass, Vertical GPU Mount, and 2 140mm AER RGB 2 Fans (included)

[golden dirge]

Get 140s for sure, they go hard

Oh you'd get 1 140 and 1 120 then

[median marsh]

the elite comes with 4 according to their page

is that amazon page from the elite, too?

it comes with 4, even the questions in the amazon page say that

2x120 rgb front fans
1x120 rear exhaust
1x140 top exhaust
Total of 4 fans
By Amazon Customer on January 30, 2021

[golden dirge]

Well, just luck if the draw maybe lol. Wait and see what happens

[median marsh]

i wouldn't order extra fans based on what the nzxt and amazon page says

the thing is, they have different cases from that series which may include less fans, but the elite should have all 4

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093CHR1VT/ 😄

what the ....

@slate blade you have that in pink, right? 😄

with 1600W PSU

[golden dirge]

Ah yeah, Sandstorm the case

[median marsh]

Boomfunk MC ghetto blaster edition

@open nova wait before you order anything

Max GPU Clearance:338 - 368mm

idk how long the video card was that was in the list

305mm, allright. nvm

should fit

ah, now i see what you meant by curved glass

[open nova]

I'm getting a warning on the website

``` what does this mean

[median marsh]

ignore that warning

😛

[open nova]

k

[median marsh]

if it wont boot, DM me

the good thing is you can do the bios update even without a supported CPU, so nothing to worry about

[open nova]

and what about this

Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.

[median marsh]

yea, i bought mine a year ago and it already had the bios which worked with the 5950x

[median marsh]

that means that its possible that some of the memory slots are covered by the cooler, but that should be fine with that cooler

[open nova]

thanks for all of the help!! 😄

[median marsh]

that one has 1cm more space between memory and cooler than my combo

and i have the same memory sticks, so it should fit perfectly fine

[golden dirge]

This is why I unironically do "out of character" Googles in incognito

I had a surprise anniversary trip spoiled by a FB ad. Like yeah sure bro, I'm just going to buy the holiday package again because its on the screen, thanks

[fallen oasis]

"out of character"
porn

[golden dirge]

Nah like someone throws a random quote around, you Google it, and then for months you're getting Bible ads. It's annoying

[median marsh]

it's fun

i had to look at woman shoes lately with a friend, now i'm getting highheels ads all the time 🙂

could be worse i guess 😄

[golden dirge]

The AI wants you to have a foot fetish, clearly

[median marsh]

i'm glad it's not showing me feet 😄

[fallen oasis]

That'd be toe-tally awful.

[devout pendant]

What about animation using lumen and nanite ? , If not talking from a game making but film making standpoint ?

[golden dirge]

I'm struggling with 16 lol (TBF I have Rider open)

Film making, higher detail assets, more shit to store in RAM. You'd need to upgrade the RAM at the very least

[vivid skiff]

Forget about filmmaking if you want to have it not looking like a machinima

If you want to make machinimas, going with standard game-y scalabilities is fine

[devout pendant]

What do you mean by machinima

Low graphics ?

[vivid skiff]

If you want to put it harshly ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[devout pendant]

So you mean that the above setup is not cut out for it right ?

[vivid skiff]

Not if you want to get ultra cinematic quality.

[devout pendant]

Which one wud u reccomend ?

[vivid skiff]

Higher end RTX 3080 or stronger workstation

[karmic trout]

What model of MacBook is minimum to package and publish game build on iOS?

Development is done on Windows PC. Is it possible to do it that way? Development on Windows PC and use MacBook only for publishing on App Store?

[fallen oasis]

It is

[opaque dagger]

Gut check. The Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 16”. With AMD Ryzen 7 5800H 3.2ghz 8-core. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070. There’s also 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD but think I can upgrade those pretty easily. It’s $1400 now. Is that good value? Do you think the laptop will be able to carry out most tasks? Another option would be a HP Omen 15 for $1000. Intel Core i7-10870H 2.2ghz with 8-cores. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU (6 GB GDDR6 dedicated). Same RAM and SSD specs.

[median marsh]

isn't the legion5 also available with 32gb ram and 1tb ssd?

because if you take 16gb now it may either be single channel, or dual channel with 2x8gb which either means it runs slower than 2x16gb or you would have to replace both sticks later...

[gleaming basin]

What do you recommend for you using UE5 between amd and nvidia (like 3080 vs 6800). I have a 5800X and 32Go ram but a 1060 with 3Go :p

[frail pagoda]

well some of fellows here who uses RX 6800 and above cards are having some issues, but a safe place to dev you can go with RTX 3080 12 GB

but if you needed more vram (large assets) maybe you can go with rx 6800, but if u have an option between rtx 3090 or rx 6900 xt though i'd prefer rtx 3090

[gleaming basin]

Oh so amd is still behind ?

They didn't fix those issues ?

[wind egret]

There was a 12gb version, but Nvidia recently stopped making it. It was a strange SKU. (Actually 10gb on the 3080 is stranger but maybe they weren't sure about gddr6x availability.)

[upbeat scroll]

Will it be worth my time to try and start with UE 5 and work on it for next years while it's installed on an HDD ? (no upgrades or ssd in the foreseeable future)

[fallen oasis]

Sure.

HDD isn't great, but you can do a lot with UE5 that doesn't involve restarting the engine or compiling code.

Just give it 5m to load up each time.

[frail pagoda]

it has

there is two versions though

the 12 gb version has more cuda cores

[golden dirge]

Is there a VRAM shortage on or something?

Just get a $10,000 3090 Super TI X duh 🙃

I don't think NV engineers listen to reviewers for architecture direction TBH

But wonder when AMD makes another nutty HBM card again

I'd like to keep my kidneys, cheers

[devout pendant]

eh too exspensive i have the rtx 2070 super

[rough frost]

Wondering, if you have 7000-10000$ to spend, and you want to do a PC build for UE, for what you go ?

[fallen oasis]

A threadripper, the $7k one.

(that's just the CPU)

[wind egret]

Buy a triple set of OLED monitors and save the PC-buying for next year.

[frail pagoda]

RTX 3090, A threadripper and 128 GB DDR4 RAM 3200 MHz and a 2 TB NVMe SSD (or higher depends) and a 360ML AIO for the cpu and the rest are some ssd and case or else, i'd not use RGB components though i'd prefer usability than looks

though it depends, you might gettin a Quadro RTX 8000 (48 GB vRAM) for a really huge serious project

or an SLI of RTX 3090 lul

i might lower the cpu a bit

[rough frost]

@frail pagoda ☝️

[fallen bough]

I have Ryzen 2600 and RX570 along with Kingston 16x2GB Ram DDR4
I also have an additional 8x2 RAM but I only have 2 slots in my motherboard. I'm thinking to upgrade it to a 4 slot one, as a total noob of #hardware, what can you guys recommend?

[golden dirge]

How much RAM are you aiming to get?

[fallen bough]

It'll be 48 in total

I'll combine my current 16x2 and 8x2

[golden dirge]

Mixing and matching RAM can be a bit sketchy, could force you into single channel mode which Ryzen CPUs don't tend to do well with

If they're different speeds, you'd likely need to settle on the lowest speed between them

[fallen bough]

I think 8's are 3200 and 16's are 3600 mhz

[golden dirge]

The timings as well, RAM timings are pretty wacky complicated

If I were you I'd just double up on the 16GB set you have, and run 4 of those. Unfortunately even the same SKU can have compatibility issues, due to component changes down the line...

[fallen bough]

I see, I'll try to move on with 2x16 only for a while then

Thanks

[golden dirge]

I don't mean to discourage you, but RAM is just a very mixed bag. Doubly so with AMD CPUs, from my experience.

I think, practical worst case scenario, you're running 48GB at a speed slower than either were specced to. This may still be much better than 32GB if you're running out of RAM though

[fallen bough]

Haha no worries, I'm actually even fine with going with 32gb only, but just wanted to take advantage of 8x2's too

Thanks for the insights

[median marsh]

why 2x64GB? :>

most consumer cpus are limited to 128GB anyways

and if you have a threadripper or similar you might want 4x32GB over 2x64GB because of quad channel :>

[rough frost]

ThreadRipper is really something ?

like worth the price ?

(and if someone said better than incredibuild licence, i will search him, i will found him.... insert taken gif

[rough frost]

https://tenor.com/view/taken-liam-neeson-phone-telephone-i-will-find-you-gif-3906233

[golden dirge]

I accidentally bought 2666 CL18 RAM for the laptop, instead of 3200 CL20... Fuck

Sometimes reading helps apparently

[meager cairn]

Can anyone give me some hardware suggestions for UE5? I use a regular Windows laptop running 64GB & 8GB RAM, Intel Celeron processor, but we are installing UE5 on a 128 or 512GB SD card. I plan to use UE5 for film & animation production. Any suggestions or feedback on my idea??

[fallen oasis]

I'm not entirely sure installing UE5 on an SD card will be... useful.

Do you mean to say you have 64gb of hard disk space? Or 64gb of ram?

[meager cairn]

It's hard disk space, but I'm upgrading to a new device anyways

[fallen oasis]

I doubt UE5 would even start on such a laptop.

And if it did, it would take a good hour to boot off an SD card. Unless I'm gravely mistaken about the speed of SD cards.

[meager cairn]

100MB/s is high speed

[fallen oasis]

And seek time?

Probably low, I guess.

Even so.

[meager cairn]

7.3 sec

[fallen oasis]

What is 7.3 seconds?

[meager cairn]

run time

[fallen oasis]

Run time of what?

[meager cairn]

is sd card

[fallen oasis]

I wasn't aware SD cards had a run time stat...

[meager cairn]

oh, idk

Would you think this would be enough for UE5?

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/DT.BHFAA.001

[fallen oasis]

Not a chance in hell.

You are majorly underestimating the system requirements for UE.

[meager cairn]

My fault, kinda new to this, so we'll keep looking

[fallen oasis]

You'll want to look int he region of 5-6x that price.

You want (at least) an 8 core processor doing 3.5ghx+, 16gb of ram, 8gb of video ram, a 512gb ssd

And that's entry level

[devout pendant]

Yeah I’m on a beefy pc and I can’t even install it without the epic launcher breaking

So I’m just sticking to unreal 4

[charred notch]

I'm using ue5 on my laptop with gtx 1060 without any problems...

But my projects are small so I dunno

[frigid harness]

[repost from cpp channel, my bad !]
What's up guys ?
I'm building my dream PC for the next 10 years and have a budget of 5000€
I'm a C++ dev and will be working on a AAA project, I just bought a 3080TI (ouch lol)
I am hesitating between an I9-12900KS and a Threadripper 3960X and need to stop doubting asap to buy the relevant motherboard.
The I9 has a socket that could be used for a processor upgrade (hopefully for at least 2 generations) and has 8 physical cores and runs at 5.5GHz when boosted, while the 3960X has 24 physical cores and runs at 4.5GHz.
I am really struggling to make that exact choice and would greatly appreciate your opinion on this subject.

Which one should I choose ? Will the Single-thread performance of the threadripper give me a noticeable bottleneck compared to the I9?
thank you guys ❤️

okay 🙂 good to know

has been a while since I didn't update myself on hardware trends

[twilit nest]

Why do you care upgrading the CPU in the next 2 generations if you plan to use it 10 years?
I would chose Ryzen 9 5950X btw.

[frigid harness]

because I could hahaha

honestly I want to max out budget and I can put 1700€ on a cpu, not more tho

[subtle vigil]

i9 runs really hot, so do spend extra on cooling if you go that way. I had to upgrade to a AIO 360mm setup to keep my machine from melting.

[frigid harness]

my friends are telling me to get an I9

for every other reason than compiling, but they don't know the struggle... xD

Okay

[kind talon]

Just one note with the i9 is that you'll absolutely want to get DDR5, which could raise the price considerably depending on how much you get

If you are only able to get DDR4 then go with the 5950x

[frigid harness]

yeah I'm hesitating on DDR4 vs DDR5 for the I9

I'm able to do whatever really 🙂

okay thaks a lot guyz

will post a pic when done 🙂

love yall

Any quick explanation on why choosing "recent technology" DDR5 instead of trustworthy field-tested DDR4 ? I've seen that the latency is higher for DDR5 but the freq is also higher and idk how to compare

• there is a max RAM frequency on processors and I don't get how RAM can be so much faster than max processor recommended frequencies

ah okay

so in the end, how should I choose my ram when I know the "max freq" that my processor can handle ?

ahhhhhh okay

I've seen XMP somewhere but didn't dig through that hole

So if I understand correcly, XMP means my ram is overclocked, and my processor will use it at that new freq ?

I don't get the CPU max ram freq mention on the technical specifications

[fleet mist]

Your ram will run at the marketed frequency or just below it depending. Your cpu frequency is done separately. You can find xmp in your bios settings. For asus boards it's under extreme tweaker tab - Ai overclock Tuner. Switch from auto to xmp. Overclocking your cpu has a benefit-negative gain. If you overclock, you gain performance and lose stability.

[golden dirge]

AMD or Intel CPU? XMP technically is an Intel thing, AMD supports some subset of profiles, and good motherboards will let you apply arbitrary timings (which are pretty easy to fuck up)

[golden dirge]

Only if you overclock too much. You can have stable overclocks as CPUs have to keep in mind CPU variation, so they have some margin of safety.

Modern CPUs are trickier to overclock to the point that you just flip the auto OC one if relevant, give it good cooling, and it gets you most of the way there by tuning itself at runtime.

[fleet mist]

Very true 👍

[devout pendant]

How are you typing here aren’t you dead

[golden dirge]

Yeah it's funny, the dissonance between RAM and MB ads/UI.

RAM: "Pay 200% $/GB for super duper fast timings!"
MB: "Either accept shit tier timings, or enable dangerous XMP at YouR oWn RisK"

[fleet mist]

That's why I suggested just xmp. You gotta check Temps, voltage and other stuff to get a solid cpu overclock. Xmp is pretty easy.

Also I ain't dead. I'm just in another attic playing games

[devout pendant]

Respectable

You got that ps5 pc and Xbox series x in the attic

[frail pagoda]

Do speed really matters? i have 3200 Mhz with cl14 though

[devout pendant]

Speed is kind of important

Do you really want a slow computer

Like sure it’s taking it’s time but still

[frail pagoda]

yes indeed, but not like to 3200 - 3600 mhz i suppose

below 3200 is kind of effective.

4000 MHz cl20 vs 3200 MHz cl19?

[devout pendant]

That’s not bad

[golden dirge]

Pretty CPU and workload dependant

[frail pagoda]

am i able to oc my ram to 4000 mhz?

just curious about it

i got 4 fans on my case, 1 on back 3 on front

and one is an AIO cooler (2 fan)

about temps it should be fine, i live in indonesia the temp is around 32-34c

[golden dirge]

Maybe if it's Samsung B-Die, but you'd have to bump up timings and voltage quite a bit. RAM OC is just trial and error hell, for usually dubious benefits.

[frail pagoda]

imma skip if i have to trial n error

it's irritating and troublesome

[fleet mist]

You'll notice a difference in certain gains. But you might encounter an unstable system. Probably not a good idea to go above what's on the box.

[golden dirge]

3200MHz CL14 is pretty fast, it may be a good die with some overclocking potential. I got mine to 3733 CL17 I think, but for no benefit really

[frail pagoda]

it's running on 2166 before, i forgot to activate xmp when i upgrade my ram to 3200 mhz

not really an upgrade for the ram but switched the model and motherboard since i upgraded my cpu

it's running unstable with DDR4 Klevv lul, i tried to combine them 8x2 and 16x2

tried to gaming, running literally freezes every 15 secs

[frail pagoda]

and uh, somehow the xmp not running on cl14

it's running on cl16

[soft bloom]

is threadripper better for compilation?

i'm on a 10700k

[median marsh]

depends on the TR

more cores = can compile more stuff in parallel (if the system has enough memory)

[frail pagoda]

isnt the more threads better?

i mean intel has a weird core architecture

the i7-12700F has 8 p-core and 4 e-cores

technically it has 12 cores

16 threads and 4 threads

but sometimes ryzen 7 5800x can be better for compile stuff

[fallen oasis]

I have the 3975X (32 core) and it compiles like a dream. Maxes out at around 80gb of memory.

[median marsh]

well, if you have 16thread 5GHz vs. 32thread 2.5GHz cpu, it will pretty much end up the same

so clock speed also has some influence

a faster clock speed might overall yield a better result, as it may be able to link the code earlier, but that's just an assumption 😄

[fallen oasis]

Did you mean to write 2 different clockspeeds there?

[median marsh]

yes

thank you xD

[upper goblet]

Hey I have no clue where to ask this properly. But does unreal support resizable bar or ssd overflow?

Running into capping my 3090s vram for a scene I am rendering through MRQ.

All my hardware supports resizable bar

[median marsh]

yes it does kind of (not sure if it's resizable bar actually)

but it can use host memory as fallback

[upper goblet]

That's awesome. Is there anything to search for to find out how to setup or enable it?

[median marsh]

i have no idea, haven't used that feature yet

[upper goblet]

Ah ok thanks tho I will look into it

[median marsh]

my guess is that it's on by default

it should show a message that it's using host memory and that performance will suffer

[upper goblet]

Is that the red notification that deals with memory exhausted in editor?

I dont experience that actually. No issues there

Movie render queue just caps at physical vram max and I feel it should work with overflow.

Maybe I need to update my chipset

[median marsh]

i don't know if movie render stuff works different than usual gamedev, so maybe better wait for advice from someone more experienced

[upper goblet]

It is similar to an extent

[upper goblet]

But actually i think I got it working by tweaking the nvidia driver to force ue5 to work

[kind shore]

How good/bad is Unreal when it comes to AMD GPU's ?
I know the one or other game which runs terrible with those GPU's.
I bought a 6700 xt and now i wonder if it was a bad idea (when it comes to unreal)

[median marsh]

well, nvidia does some work on Unreal, too. Which obviously makes it work well with nvidia gpus, features like DLSS, RTX GI and such...

[kind shore]

Does unreal even support FSR ?

Yeah, seems like there's a plugin for it

[golden dirge]

Not sure if it's (much) better than TSR, but yeah there's a plugin for it.

FYI I'm using an all AMD laptop (5900HX, 6800m) and it's good. Fewer D3D device disconnected crashes than with my 3080 desktop...

Desktop was perfectly stable in everything else, idk what UE's issue was

[kind shore]

I remember hearing something about that.
Any chance that those bugs were related to the higher end GPU's ?
As in it starts after the 3060 Ti ?

[median marsh]

well, i guess the majority uses nvidia cards?!

[kind shore]

win11 lulw

[golden dirge]

Can't have issues with AMD if no one buys them too though lol

I actually got that with Win10 too though, but more frequent in Win11 I think

[median marsh]

where i dont experience bugs with nvidia, ironically 😄 (3060)

[golden dirge]

CPU or GPU?

Thought they were much smaller in dGPUs

[median marsh]

maybe maybe directx just sucks 😄

no

[golden dirge]

DXVK rescuing peeps from DX while making some games run faster is pretty funny

[median marsh]

yea most likely because it's just not supporting the full DX feature set

[golden dirge]

PS for Nvidia peeps
https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealengine/comments/vvwzwx/new_nvidia_drivers_broke_my_unreal_still_like/

[devout pendant]

Anyone swear by ultrawide displays for UE?

[mighty patrol]

I use an acer predator ultra wide for dev myself find its nice personally can also be used to help test for ultra wide support if you plan on having that for your project I suppose. Some games seem to lack support for it.

Granted my monitors not amazing but I feel having multiple options for a monitor is also handy.

[golden dirge]

Ultrawides are great in general, love them for work

[median marsh]

for UE4 you need one in portrait mode because the big icons take up half of the screen

[devout pendant]

I was thinking of picking one up, but they seem ill-suited to streaming :/

I found a lot of threads on Reddit / videos on YouTube re: 21:9 being awkward at best for Twitch

But like y'all are saying, I can see the benefits for a workstation…

[median marsh]

yea... there was...

in unreal ancient edition

[fierce falcon]

Radeon RX 6600 8GB for $250-300 worth it?

[golden dirge]

Looks alright I guess

[wind egret]

A pre-owned 3060 seems like a better deal, because of the 12GB vs 8GB.
But 6600 seems like the best value at retail.

I am amused Discord thinks yours was a spam message

[fierce falcon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordsucks/comments/qsdim5/heads_up_creating_a_new_account_with_a_vpn_will/

[golden dirge]

I'd just assume most services flag VPN-created accounts in some way. These kinds of heuristics are pretty useful to keep bad actors away.

They even named their company wrong, so...

[wind egret]

It's not that bad of a name metaphorically.

[devout pendant]

If anyone wishes to help me figure out where to get my hardware, please follow this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/vx2d5b/i_need_a_laptop_or_portable_pc_for_use_in_the_uk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[golden dirge]

What's a "portable PC"? Like a NUC thing?

Why is your INR budget more than your GBP one? 😄

Your INR one is almost what I got my Strix G15 for - R9 5900HX, RX 6800M. Added a second m.2 SSD to make it 1.5TB total, and swapped out RAM for a 64GB set.

But get a laptop for sure, particularly if you don't live on campus. Much nicer to just be able to pop a screen open and make some progress on whatever assessments you have due.
Lots of down time between session you need to go to, particularly second year onwards.

[median marsh]

you ask for a recommendation in september? dude, the weather forecast for that timeline is more accurate than the pc market

maybe worth looking at builds like this => https://pcpartpicker.com/b/BTW323

many people have put good hardware in that case, so maybe an option to change your system in india and transport it in a backpack

[agile lodge]

thermaltake have some cool hardware and they new motto "your ultra your way"

[devout pendant]

prices in India are inflated lol

lmao but I'll probably not mine anymore, my earnings are more than enough to compensate I think

also how good is i5 12500? It's way cheaper than i7 12700 and apparently outperforms i7s of 9th and 10th gens and is serviceable but worse compared to 11th gen

can't really ensure that if my laptop is customised per se

customised laptops cost way less than packaged ones based on what I'm seeing in the websites, VAT inclusive

[devout pendant]

any opinions?

[median marsh]

probably okayish, would probably rather aim for at least 16 threads

[agile lodge]

PSUs come PCIe Gen5 ready now

Thermaltake just introduced some new PSU with that readyness

[serene dome]

September is quite close to when the new models come out for Intel (Raptor Lake) and AMD (Zen 4) as both are slated for Q4 2022. If you can afford to, then I'd consider waiting (either for the expansion of selections to choose from or perhaps for price adjustments for the older models).

[agile lodge]

PSU 1650wats seems perhaps next leap as what 1000W PSUs was before

[golden dirge]

Every W the PC uses in the summer, I have to spend twice cooling the now hot office back down... PC gaming is going to be EU only soon lol

[median marsh]

well, you "save" on heating in winter tho 😄

at least it's not a total loss

[golden dirge]

My 850W PSU, max ~60% load already absolutely cooked the room, shit was fucked.

I remember when I was in Europe the room heater had modes like like 1000W or 1200W etc. Now that's just how much PCs use in normal operation, bonkers

[golden dirge]

Where you really need the heating, you likely have communal heating of some sort no? IDK, I've only lived in ex-USSR and hot swamp desert land

[median marsh]

depends on the region

my secondary school used to get heat from a coal power plant which was close 😄