hardware

[sick cedar]

don't expect to use it other than for baking things and the normal raster mode

is more or less the double of the 970 at some case of use, in other cases is less but

[soft plume]

yes

or the rtx 69420ti

[devout pendant]

I would like a bit more VRAM than the 8GB on the 3070

[silver scroll]

Does anyone use Alienware laptop for unreal engine

I want to get one when i save up enough money

[devout pendant]

My friend has an Alienware laptop, and seems to like it.

[shrewd shard]

Go red, buy AMD

AMD has more memory at any price point compared to Novideo

8 GB is nowhere enough for raytracing gamedev

[soft plume]

yes

[soft plume]

better red than dead

(if you buy nvidia you loose all your monies so you die)

[shrewd shard]

[frank glade]

Ok but dont forget how 3 times in the past year substance painter insta crashed on amd cards. Rollback drivers, hack fixes or wait a month for a new driver

And thats only what I know about, no idea if autodesk or toolbag or other software had issues

[violet idol]

Does anyone know what the standard GPU the unreal team is using? I saw on a recent podcast that they were using 3080, and I also saw some reports that say 3070ti has points where it doesn't go above 20 fps. Anyone here has first hand experience with the cards?

https://i.redd.it/w5os26rych171.png

Also in regards to the CPU I have a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz 6 Core 12 threads, and the cpu didn't seem to be a bottleneck even tho they recommended 12 core 3.4

[royal aspen]

I don’t know what your referring to

But those min specs are better than most people who use the engine

Will all depend on the project itself. I wouldn’t recommend a 6 core 12 thread, I was using a 5600x for awhile and despite being about the fastest 6 core out there, it is antagonizing to put up with shader compile times on it

You can definitely use your 8700 though, and the term min spec seems off but I have no idea what it’s referring to

[shrewd shard]

The CPU won't matter much except for shader compiling

Which can be very crucial on time, depending on what you're doing

[runic pendant]

88C on GPU, understandable.

[royal aspen]

Animation graph is done over threads if you manage to keep those lightning bolts over anything with pins

So at runtime that is a major benefit to having more threads

Shader compilation speeds are just nice tho. For dev, seeing changes right away is worth a lot. But yeah there are many reasons to have more muscle.

[ivory lagoon]

@violet idol Yea, i did some testing.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832130505310470155/847869075182714940/unknown.png

2070S 210Watt, 39FPS
3080 349Watt, 53FPS

I can test a 3070 a bit later if you want?

The biggest issue, and that's why i am on a 3070 now is that a 3080 makes waaaay to much noise for me.

I tested a few of those as well, a 3080 Aorus Extreme, Extreme Waterforce and Ventus. All of them sit aroud 100C + on the Mem. and hotspot around 90C.

Without some serious modding and spending another 100 bucks on thermal pads, you might get your mem temps under 90C. I managed to get my Aorus extreme from 108C to 86C on the mem.

and potentially voiding your warranty as well i may add.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832130505310470155/847586435095461918/unknown.png

3080 Aorus extreme.

[violet idol]

If you can, please yes. I didn't consider the cooling either, you think a 3080 needs watercooling? or could the iCX3 Cooling work well enough?

[ivory lagoon]

Yes, i would definately try to get something like a waterforce or one of them that have a AIO attached to them.

The larger coolers will work fine, but they will still be extremely noisy.

Especially those larger, custom PCBs.

I saw my Aorus pull all the way up to 380Watts! in CBRP.

You can't cool that heat effectively without screaming fans.

The standard models have locked Bioses that only go up to 320Watt.

[violet idol]

Alright thanks for the info, Have you tried to underclock the GPU by 10-15% and see if that fixes the noise/heat issues?

[ivory lagoon]

no because them you might as well get a lower version and for a 1k GPU i don't want to deal with that shit

ok, give a me a few, i will test a 3070.

[violet idol]

I've been looking at 3080,3070,and 3070ti, a underclocked 3080 compared to a normal 3070 if the cooling is better on the 3080 with the 4gb extra ram i'd take that for the price difference

[ivory lagoon]

I would still get a 3080 over a 3070TI. 3070ti are 3080 leftover dies and mostly less efficient.

also use gddr6x which is the main reason of the power consumption.

It's up to you as i have access to both, and using a 3070 now, because it's enough for what i do.

[violet idol]

I think a 3070 would be fine for me also, but a 3080 12gb would be less likely for me to upgrade over the next 4-5 years I think

[ivory lagoon]

hehe.

You know it's probably less expensive, with the current GPU prices, to sell your old and upgrade every two years.

And than you will always, somewhat stay with the time.

@violet idol

3070

very close to a 3080 in terms of FPS.

[violet idol]

76 vs 62 on temp tho

[ivory lagoon]

which makes me believe the my CPU or something else in the pipeline could be a bottleneck.

Yes, look at the power draw.

212Watts vs. 349Watt!

That is what's generating the heat and noise.

and mind you that is the GPU edge temperature, not the hotspot.

[violet idol]

Temp looks good

[ivory lagoon]

That's why 3080s generally go over 90C with the hotspot temps.

yes 3070 is nicer on the ears.

[violet idol]

1500 rmp is Silent for fans

6.2gb on the memory tho, and it's 8gb max

[ivory lagoon]

you can stil hear it, sure, but man, i remember playing CBPR with headset and i was just constantly out of focus because of the screaming fans.

It was just to much for me.

[violet idol]

Alright thanks for all the info, it's been very helpfull

[ivory lagoon]

sure np.

[warped dragon]

Those min specs are a bit frustrating considering most consumer users are still below a 1080, at least according to Steam's hardware survey. I've managed to get UE5 (both in editor and packaged games) running steady at 60fps on 1060s but it took a bit of tweaking of the render settings to get there.

[violet idol]

I am using a 1060 myself, and I couldn't get the sample project over 20 fps

And no Hardware ray tracing either

even tho UE5 Lumen uses software raytracing it only works for static meshes

I'm gonna need to upgrade pretty soon

I was looking at the 3080 mostly because i've seen that the UE team is working on that

Even the 1080ti had at the time of release 11gb

So i'm not that confident in th 8GB version of the 30 series family

Frankly I'm interested in a value purchase, as I can still use my 1060 6gb for a while, I would have prefered the cards having 12gb+ on them

I'm just uncertain if the AMD RX 6800 and 6900 will be properly supported by UE

There's also some reports like this one

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-up-to-12-faster-than-the-nvidia-rtx-3080-in-unreal-engine-5-demo-w-lumen-based-s-w-ray-tracing/

where AMD does better on Software raytracing(lumen)

plus i've been looking into temp data

and the 6800 XT has better cooling than the 3080

with an extra 6gb ram

[violet idol]

Well for anyone following this

I went with a Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 6700 XT ELITE 12GB Graphics Card

cost me £689.31 with all costs included

949.56893 US Dollars

Model / Price (MSRP ≈ $480 @ launch in Mar '21)

so almost 2x MSRP

[soft plume]

n i ce

[soft plume]

compared to any gpu x2 msrp right now is not a lot

[final mortar]

that's rough

I've been dead set against paying more than MSRP if I can avoid it, and have-- but my success is in the boutique gpu category like the 3080ti and 3070ti-- both cards that have a very debatable value prop compared to their non-ti versions

it's really hard to get the "best value" cards at msrp

oh crap I need to pick up that 3070

wait no, few days more ok

[soft plume]

no choose red

for the same price u can get like a 6800xt

[frank glade]

Red has driver issues 😔

[steep cairn]

I think the myth about driver issues is a thing of the past

And it isn't like nvidia has had driver issues

[frank glade]

@steep cairn untrue, substance painter instacrashed on amd cards

This year

[steep cairn]

How long did it last?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techradar.com/amp/news/the-latest-geforce-driver-is-causing-major-issues-for-some-users-heres-how-to-fix-them

Everything has issues

I am strongly considered a 6900xt

Once the price drops

And there is stock

Right now I think anyone that gets a good gpu and Msrp is lucky

[frank glade]

Well some users couldnt roll back drivers and waited a month for an updated fix 😬

[novel briar]

That fix was exe renaming

i.e. you needed not to wait.

[frank glade]

Not that one

The one in february 😅

[novel briar]

lol

Well, to be fair Nvidia also runs occasionally on issues. Especially for Allegoritmic's tools is nothing new to rollback on drivers.

[violet idol]

All GPUs have faults

On my 1060 I had to reroll drivers

Since UE was crashing

[fossil thicket]

I'm having a problem where my comp is bluescreening on update, yet also spamming me saying it's updating and auto updating if I leave my computer for a little bit... I tried running update troubleshooter and rolling back some updates and I can't seem to fix it... anyone have any ideas? 😦

[steep cairn]

I think I would be happy with any modern gpu right now

My newly built 5950x feels silly with a HTC 970 in it

[sacred dust]

I have gtx 1080 and it pretty decent performer mostly

Why do Nvidia keep pushing Driver updates for old gen cards? would I benefit if i don’t really play newly released games that they adapt their cards to?

[serene flame]

Does anybody know of any (free) utilities you can use to diagnose potential motherboard VRM or power-delivery issues?

Something like Memtest86, but for other hardware essentially. Not sure if such a thing exists. I can't reliably get into Windows, so something bootable preferably.

[novel briar]

Hmm... I doubt there are universal softwares.

[serene flame]

Just want to know if anything is available, already exhausted all the other options AFAIK. Presumably OEM's/Vendors have some software or diagnostics they can use to test hardware for RMA purposes, just wonder if that's publicly available. Be keen to hear from anyone working in hardware sales.

[serene flame]

Anybody who has had a 5950x for more than 2-3 months and is NOT having stability issues, could you let me know your motherboard and bios version? Feel free to tag me. Thx!

[novel briar]

Define stability.

I have a bit of issues (when sleep/waking up) but otherwise it is all fine. Also I would not recommend my mobo vendor because they freaking don't care supporting fully the AMD features.

[serene flame]

Basically so long as you can work reliably without "surprise" reboots, black screens or BSOD's. I've been looking around online and there is a literal plethora of people having similar problems, either out of the box or after 2-3 months of use.

Taking it with a pinch of salt ofc, since it could be some other piece of hardware causing the issue - but in my case it's one or the other for certain now.

[novel briar]

Wow... Not such stuff. I heard something about similar issues, however can't say how significant % is that. Blue Man the other day complained about dead 5950x

USB issues e.g. were more frequent. But I have none of these too.

Mobo is Gigabyte Aourus Pro x570 (rant)

[frank glade]

could it be your ssd? Did you get a new one with the 5950x?

[hoary urchin]

@serene flame MSI MEG X570 Godlike bios: 7C34v1E

no issues nor random crashes

[novel briar]

Does it support the AMD's micro profiling? 🤔

[serene flame]

Everything else has been swapped out, tested in another machine etc. - I can pretty securely rule out the other components at this point.

[hoary urchin]

apparently the godlike boards are like golddust now

(wonders what happened)

[chilly jungle]

It's my third day with a 5950x, though first day I did leave UE to clone overnight. Woke up and the computer had rebooted.

[serene flame]

Yeah I was seriously looking at that one, I like how the VRM fan is not where the GPU would be too. Also sooo many M.2 slots 😮

[hoary urchin]

@serene flame what does the event viewer show

during these random crashes

[serene flame]

I was only able to get back into windows a couple of times even in safe mode, but when I did it was showing "Kernel-Power (41)" errors but not much else. Didn't even have any minidumps or anything.

Yeah nothing unfortunately 😦

Sometimes it'll do it mid-boot, or while the system is booting up, or during startup repair etc. I even made a bootable Linux on USB and it did it a couple of times.

So even with no drives in the dang thing

[hoary urchin]

sure its not a power supply stability issue?

[serene flame]

Yeah I switched out to another higher-rated PSU, same thing 😦

Was my first thought though.. if in doubt start at the source

[hoary urchin]

hmm, it could be the mobo tho, it could have bad VRM's/caps

have you tried it in on another board?

[serene flame]

Technically yeah the original board was RMA'd, but on return I had the same issue after about an hour and a half or so

I don't have another AM4 socket CPU/Board though unfortunately

[hoary urchin]

hmm, only other thing that can cause stability issues is the RAM

(apart from peripherals/drives) (had an NVMe drive that was dodgy, causing stability issues)

never buying ADATA again.

[serene flame]

yeah I gave the RAM a thorough hammering with Memtest86, no issues after several passes (took about 8 hours)

An the two NVMe's I do have have been okay in another system

[hoary urchin]

2 ADATA NVME's dead

[serene flame]

ooof

[novel briar]

Have you ran cpu stress tests?

[serene flame]

Yeah those were odd. After the first restart, I ran cinebench on a single core, no issues

Then I ran a multicore test, it got about 60-70% through, then hit a restart

Then stuck in the bootloop after that

[hoary urchin]

def feels like power delivery issue

[serene flame]

Yeah, and given that I've tried two PSU's I think it's possibly at the BIOS level

[hoary urchin]

i doubt its a cooling issue, i assume you have a decent cooler on it

[serene flame]

Yeah Arctic Freezer 2

I've never seen it get above 65/70 ish

Even with all cores chugging

[hoary urchin]

yeah, mine hits 80-85 without issues (in a warm room on a hot day)

70ish on a normal day

[serene flame]

yeah

I think 90/95 is the limit - but it's never got anywhere near that

[hoary urchin]

did you get the CPU tested by AMD

or RMA'd?

cause i do know some people who had memory controller issues.

@devout pendant my samsung pro nvme is still going strong

[serene flame]

Awh man,. I've got two 970 Evo Plus M.2's

So far so good but man they do run hot

[hoary urchin]

heh mine hit sometimes 70def :/

this is the 3NVMe's on this pc

that sabrent rocket remaining life drops rapidly

[serene flame]

I cheaped out and took a risk on Amazon B-Stock 😄

[hoary urchin]

i have 6NVMe on this pc

https://i.imgur.com/uwonebj.png

all 1tb tho 😄

https://i.imgur.com/yeSkGuI.png

gkill r64gb ram, running at 3800mhz but yeah, can't get the timings much lower 😦

[serene flame]

6 wtf. how chunky is that mobo 😄

[hoary urchin]

ran out of pci-e lanes i think

[serene flame]

haha

[hoary urchin]

next pc will be a TR

for a workstation

and use this as gaming/general pc

just waiting to see what AMD brings out next

[serene flame]

Yeah, very keen to see that new line of TR they have been talking about

[hoary urchin]

or wait till the 3990x drops in price

and grab that

i am sure 64/128 is pretty much the limit for the time being

[serene flame]

Crazy how it's been out for so long already and nothing can even touch it still

[hoary urchin]

back in the day, you needed 2 cpu's to run 8 core/16 thread (server only platforms)

not you have consumer chips running 64/128

now*

[serene flame]

It's a good time to be alive 😄

[hoary urchin]

i remember being excited when we got our MMX family pc

MMX was amazing

[serene flame]

Back when PC's all had that off-beige colour 😄

And it slowly yellowed the longer it was in sunlight

[hoary urchin]

thing is tho, do you know it was a law in Germany that computers had to be light colour?

and beige was the colour of choice

i mean not sure if it was an enforced law, or w/e, but i remember hearing about it back in the day

German workplace standards required light-value colors (off-whites, beige, pearl, light grey, etc) for office computing equipment there we go 😄

not really a law, but workplace standards

[serene flame]

What hahaha

That's hilarious

[violet idol]

my cpu is maxed out on shader compilation, I thought that the GPU was supposed to handle the shader compilations?

or is it a two step process?

the GPU inside the project file and CPU outside?

hmm..

now it's doing another shader compilation

It looks like my CPU is a bottleneck on shader generation

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.19 GHz with rx 6700xt

[serene flame]

CPU compiles the shaders

But yeah it'll take time

[violet idol]

I overclocked to 4.3ghz and temp went over 90C

Processort is rated 4.6ghz tho

TJUNCTION 100°C

90C seems kinda hot tho

[serene flame]

It's very hot

[violet idol]

It turned off at 95C

oh well

seems very unstable

guess i'll wait longer for shaders to compile

[rugged wedge]

anyone w/ a 5950x, what's your clock speed w/ all cores under full load?

[unborn pike]

Between 4.4 and 4.2 GHz

[serene flame]

How long have you had your 5950x now? Any issues with stability at all?

[dusty glacier]

I wanted to ask same question about that stability, I've heard some bad and good news, but I've wanted to hear it from someone who has got that cpu

[devout pendant]

Hi

I bought a big ssd for my computer now i have 2.

If i install windows on the small ssd and install only unreal engine with bridge into the big one do i get performance loss then or shall i bether intall windows on the big one with ue etc ?

[rugged wedge]

7 months now, no issues with the current msi bios

[dusty glacier]

Has someone tested Ryzen 9 5900x and 5950x and can tell if there is a big difference in content creation between them?

[serene flame]

What Mobo? Kaos went MSI too - no issues there

[rugged wedge]

tomahawk 570

older bios were terrible, constant reboots

current one fixed everything

[mighty cosmos]

And I was right, cpu cache on my 5950x somehow fried itself, they are sending me a new one next week

[serene flame]

You as well? That's at least four people I know with a dead 5950x now :/

[novel briar]

You are my first two I know of. Stay away.

[serene flame]

Trouble is intel has absolutely nothing that can compete 😦

[soft rapids]

Guys can anybody suggest if the following specifications are good for unreal engine ?

intel core i5 3470 3rd generation
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1050 2gb 128bit GDDR5
128gb SSD
8gb ram DDR3 1600mhz

[shrewd shard]

It will work for UE4 for low scale projects

[rose mauve]

really low scale projects

2 gigs of vram? damn

DDR3 ram?

and 128 gigs? thats low

3rd gen cpu, i think you should change

[soft rapids]

thanks for the guidance. Can you suggest what should be the minimum specs different from my mentioned configuration ?

my use purpose is for architectural visualizations

[frank glade]

You can follow the official recommended specs. For archviz you probably need a beefy cpu for light building or a beefy rtx card to do raytracing instead for renders.

If a scene is too big for your vram youll be getting 3-5 fps 😬 so go for as much as you can maybe?

[late hound]

4.5-4.75 ghz arround w/ aio

in UE4 shader complie the package power dont reach over 190W but EDC reaches limit 165A

4.8GHZ arround

Source compiling, sometimes reach but mostly not

light build. reach 210W w/ max EDC

tbh this mobo work well for me

[soft rapids]

but will the specs I mentioned be ok only for learning, like applying materials and lights to scene and maybe apply some animations, and get some renders and no realtime rendering ?

[soft rapids]

you mean learning will be only of low level, and arch viz wont be easy with that configuration ?

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah sadly 😕
But apparently it's not as common as it seems, they told me this is the first ever dead 5950x in my country that has been reported

They couldn't believe I'm reporting a cpu fault on the 5950x when I returned it back to the store

But looks like a few of us are lucky winners 😐

[serene flame]

Sucks... Maybe there's a bad batch out there somewhere 😑

[mighty cosmos]

yeah, could be

[violet idol]

Found the Sweet Spot on my system at 3800mhz and ~76C i7-8700

It has 3.2 Ghz base clock and rated 4.6ghz but anything over 4.2ghz overheats going over 90C in under 5min

The OC cuttoff is 95C and shutdown is at 100C

[rose mauve]

You got a cooler?

[devout pendant]

Do you guys think it’s worth to upgrade from i7 -9700 8 core to a 5950x ? I know there more cores but the speeds are similar. Will the more cores give me drastically better performance?

[frank glade]

Probably for multi core stuff like compiling or light building 2x, 3x. For apps that use single cores, like photoshop or dcc only 15-20% improvement

[devout pendant]

thanks, its probably better for multitask too

[dusty glacier]

Which motherboard is in your opinion total must have for ryzen 9 5950x to avoid issues with that cpu?

[shrewd shard]

If it's a 9700 non-K, then the 5950X should be better in pretty much every case

[mighty cosmos]

I upgraded from i9 9900k to 5950x and the difference is massive, around 50% quicker in multithreaded tasks

you should be seeing even bigger difference

engine compile time dropped down from 25-30 minutes to 13

[devout pendant]

Fuck lol and here was thinking I was out of the water lol we’re putting it back in the shopping cart bois

@mighty cosmos thanks so much response

[midnight condor]

How long does it take you guys to compile 4.26? I have a amd 1950x and it is taking around 35 min

[serene flame]

Takes around 20-25 mins on a 5950x, so long as you have enough RAM for all the threads. Run the Benchmark tool to get more accurate/reliable times for comparison.

[midnight condor]

oh cool i didnt know about the benchmark tool

where can i find it?

[tender vault]

Hi I have a question related to upgrading my PC for UE4 on a budget.

I currently have a i5-4570k and 16 gigs of DDR3 along with a RX 580 8G. Of course the i5 I have is very slow and underpowered and I am looking to upgrade it soon, I am new to UE4 and I am learning it atm, I can upgrade to these specs :

Xeon E5-1650v2 6c/12t or a Xeon Processor E5-2650v2 which is at a lower 2.6ghz but has 8c/16t, which would you recommend?
The ram and the gpu are the same.

[shrewd shard]

I'd actually recommend, if you can grab an i7 for that generation (4c/8t) it would probably serve you better

The singlethread speed should feel better for the actual gameplay

Plus, if you're grabbing a Xeon with more cores, you will need more RAM

[tender vault]

I can grab a i7 4th gen

so a i7 4th gen would be better than the xeon i mentioned?

a 4790k, the most common is 4770k but for a few bucks more I can get a 4790k

[shrewd shard]

If you grab a Xeon, you'll absolutely need more RAM

[tender vault]

say 32?

apparently not a big diff in workstation performance but in gaming

ofc I have to pay twice the money for it that is

okay it is clear to me tho that the xeon is lower than the i7 4th gen

but shouldnt I get more threads

ahaha

alright

do you recommend somewhere else

im still stuck between getting a xeon or a i7 4th gen

truely

i should probably save up and get a i7 4th gen

i7 4790k

or 4770k, will prefer the 4790k tho

I was thinking of AMD

a r5 2600

but I have to upgrade my mobo and my ram and thats where it starts to get expensive

and prices are at a high too right now for me

yes I know, I wish I built my pc a year late and would have gotten AMD

a ryzen 3 3200g

at that time

@devout pendant@shrewd shard would you recommend a i7 4790 without the K, would I really be missing out on alot

no

peanuts

no

Getting the 4790k for 148$ (Converted)
And the 4770k for 117$ (Converted)

These realistic?

[shrewd shard]

Nah, not worth in this case

[tender vault]

aaaaaaaaa mobo upgrage

[tender vault]

whats not worth

[shrewd shard]

^ this

[tender vault]

used too

things expensive for my country sed

no its expensive here

like thats its normal price here

yes I can get a R3 3200g same price

thats 216$ for me

[tender vault]

plus i have to get ddr4 ram, its motherboard

and remember, I said I was in a budget initially

I still am

its too expensive for me

Not a performance boost from my i5 4th gen

to the 3200g

[shrewd shard]

Wouldn't it boost compiling at the very least

[tender vault]

Not a big performance jump for sure

but my current i5 4th gen also bottlenecks my gpu atm

it shouldnt but I get extremely bad frames in cpu dependent games

say 50-60 frames in csgo

on low settings

haha no

its bad

it constantly drops as well

its bad considering its not supposed to be that way

also the temps are bad but

say if I need performance now I need to shell out for a r5 2600

understood

althouth you also wont recommend zeon

even if I have to pay 30$ to get 6c/12t rather than 4c/4t right now

the thing

i sell my current mobo and cpu

add 30 more

get xeon

dont live in a country where ebay exists sadly

pc should be getting 200 fps on low 1080p insteads gets 40, checked via benchmarks

no aliexpress f no, never ever

i will get from the local market

a shit ton of xeons here

used

win 11 ofc it will, with tpm and secure boot bypassed that is

1650v2 is ivy

does the clock rate really matter

2.6ghz xeon?

bad or should I stick with the 3.7ghz one

E5-2650v2 vs 1650v2

61$ for the 1650v2

92$ for the 2650v2

the 2560 is clocked at a lower 2.6ghz tho

understood

not a big dif then

its clocking tubo all cores to 3 ghz

the 2560

how about only making

yes lights and ofc the usual rendering

like level design

[shrewd shard]

3 GHz is kinda nothing

I'm with a 3.6 myself and it's been struggling keeping up frames

[agile lodge]

hardware it goes the phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lis0OlvaB8U&t=59s

[tender vault]

frames in ue4?

[dusty glacier]

Hello guys, I am wondering about new PC for content creation and gaming in 4k. My choice was RTX3090 and Ryzen 9 5950X, isn't it overkill? I've heard that cpus and motherboards for ddr5 will be in q4 of 2022 and they will be probably expensive ( I have 3500 euro budget ) and isn't stable. I also dont want to upgrade anything for few years in my new PC, should I wait on that ddr5 or that gpu and cpu will be enough for like 5 years?

[unborn pike]

we can't predict the future

if you start waiting for the next gen of parts you'll always wait for the next gen

it's a never ending cycle

I don't think it's overkill, if you have the money just go for it

[frank glade]

that's true, except for when you know a new socket is right around the corner, especially an amd platform that you know they support for a long time. I'm waiting for am5 too

but if you really need the hardware, might as well go for it, you'd be losing too much on productivity

[serene flame]

Wouldn't expect that combo to be any kind of bottleneck in the next 5 years or so easily.

Just sent my 5950x back for RMA round 2. Let's gooooo. Wonder what it'll be this time.

Such fun playing the silicon lottery

[mighty cosmos]

Wait you have problems with it too?

[serene flame]

Yeah, initially RMA'd my motherboard, but sending both back for a CPU replacement now 😦

It's the only part that hasn't been swapped out for something else, and I've still got outrageously bad stability

A few seconds at best on some boots

@obtuse stratus's 5950x also back for RMA... so that's at least three I know of recently 😄

[obtuse stratus]

Yup! I'm not sure mine was actually faulty now though - as you know, PC still wouldn't power on once I got the CPU back. Just sent my motherboard off to be tested again. Previously they tested the MSI motherboard with a 3000 series (some people on Overclockers forums weren't convinced by the tests that Scan performed on my mobo)

Been reading a lot online, apparently MSI bios and AMD don't play nice together, a lot of stability issues

Although my mobo wouldn't even power on to check if it had the essentials (CPU, RAM, GPU) each of which it has a LED for to indicate that it's missing.

[dusty glacier]

I would or wouln't with that set?

[frank glade]

I mean if you really need new hardware, you'd be losing productivity staying on your older hardware, so just buy now, don't wait

[mighty cosmos]

Ah that really sucks

In my case I returned it to the retailer for RMA and they confirmed its a problem with CPU cache

Now AMD is asking them to do detailed diagnostics on the CPU because they are suspecting it might be a whole batch of CPUs that have the problem

[serene flame]

Damn.. that would be very interesting if that was the case, how long have you had yours?

I bought mine towards end of April (from UK retailer)

[mighty cosmos]

I bought it 3 weeks ago, had it for 3 days and waiting since then on a new one
But the production date on the CPU was from mid February if I remember correctly

[flint wave]

hi

is iiyama a good brand or bad one and would you in general recommend a 21:9 screen?

i think 21:9 would be nice for unreal

and coding at all, what do you guys think?

[serene flame]

16:10 FTW

[dusty glacier]

I am also looking for good 4k monitor with at least 144hz refresh rate and 1ms reaction. Can someone recommend me a good one? I was wondering about LG UltraGear 27GN950-B but maybe there is better for its price. Price limit is 1000 euro.

[magic bison]

I use the MSI Prestige version of the LG 5k2k display, It's a dream.

although I still have a vertical 16:9 monitor for Rider

[flat glade]

this is pretty stackoverflow-level "why not do something else" level advice but I think you might be just as happy on a 1440p monitor that will be much cheaper and easier to run games on

[wispy flare]

I say if you have money to spend

go Threadripper

cant go wrong for game development especially with unreal

[dusty glacier]

Probably yes, that's for sure, but I am wondering about 3090 and 5950x and I dont want to end only on 1440p tho

[flat glade]

the GPU is really the least important part unless you are going absolutely nuts with RTX

the 5950x is well recommended here though

we love cores

[dusty glacier]

So 4k in your opinion is kinda overkill for gaming purposes?

[flat glade]

yeah, but it's more of a matter of opinion

2560 × 1440 gang

much more likely to get a ultra omega giga gamer 1ms monitor at that res too

[dusty glacier]

So can you recommend me some decent options for 1440p?

[dusty glacier]

And if someone could tell me if something is bad or wrong with that model of monitor
https://www.lg.com/de/monitore/lg-27gn950-b

[novel briar]

Let me know when this happens, I like your idea.

[novel briar]

M2 so don't worry :)

[wind egret]

"4k ultrawide high refresh rate variable sync hdr"
DisplayHDR 1000 or OLED/MicroLED/whatevernextgen
and curved so you can create a 180 degree peripheral display.

[median marsh]

imho 1440p is just perfect on 27", but then... i'm > 30 so my eyes might not be as good as yours 😉

[zenith jungle]

radeon for a 3d artist in 2021 ..... stilllll shit?

[median marsh]

don't think so, the 6800+ series has a good amount of VRAM which is important if you want to work on large scenes or with unreal engine and an 3d modelling tool at the same time

[frank glade]

maybe not, but they had driver issues with substanc epainter 3 times this year alone. roll back drivers, fixes

[frank glade]

Examples?

[median marsh]

UI flickering

directx crashes seem to happen lately more frequently

i would've picked AMD, too if i hadnt gotten an 3060 at launch

for work the price/value for AMD is just better, the 16GB vram really pay off specially if you wanna multitask or have large scenes

[devout pendant]

Hello

Radeon 6900 versus geforce 3080.

Is radeon 6900 with the prorebder plugin better or equal to nvidia 3080?

[zenith jungle]

the problem with radeon vs nvidia is more about drivers

performance wise the 6900 is definalty better

but it might loose that advantage cause of shit drivers

or support

im in the same trouble 6700xt looks pretty cool but puh

autodesk is no fan of amd

but do i care for autodesk realtime canvas ? naaah

[devout pendant]

@zenith jungle yes..but what about prorender. And the 16% boost ffrom ryzen+ radeon combo

@zenith jungle i can buy a nvidia 3080..or a radeon 6900

[zenith jungle]

what do you pay

[devout pendant]

@zenith jungle the 6900 is ryzen 9 16-cored and configured with 16% boost. It come with 64 ram and 2tb fast samsung 890 ssd

Water plus air cooled

[zenith jungle]

ye im totally for team red aswell

but i see myself already rage quitting in substance designer

[devout pendant]

The 3080 is cheaper

[zenith jungle]

or something else

give it a try if your workflows dont have some apps that are nvidia fanboys

[devout pendant]

3500 sek for nvidia 3080 + ryzen 12-cored. The radeon 16% boost cost 45 seek

@zenith jungle what do you loose in ray tracing lumin and global illumination

[zenith jungle]

about rendertime i dont worry

more about messages like "no cuda found goodbye"

for example maya and 3dsmax their realtime canvas do that

[devout pendant]

So you are saying radeon is the better buy?

[zenith jungle]

i worry we can only try

im not sure aswell

[devout pendant]

I paid for the nvidia 3080 already

[zenith jungle]

for a gamer its a no brainer go radeon but for cg its a gamble right now

[devout pendant]

If you try radeon you can tell me about it

And i can try the nvidia for you

[zenith jungle]

actually its like that the radeons are only interesting if you can get them cheaper

if you already own the 3080 stay chilled 😄

my opinion

[devout pendant]

The 3080 is in store

Shipping at monday

[zenith jungle]

in my area i have to pay like 1400€

for a 3080

its mad

a 6700xt goes away for mabe 600

[devout pendant]

3080 is 15-1700 sek

[zenith jungle]

do you really use pro render?

or tried it?

[devout pendant]

Never

The radeon fans say its great

[zenith jungle]

it could die very fast i worry

people only look at vray

or corona

and some other

[devout pendant]

Well is ut 6900

[zenith jungle]

whats your main modeling app

[devout pendant]

My old nachine is dead

I modell 3d render

@zenith jungle radeon cards are sli

Did you know that?

Or crossfire

[devout pendant]

good luck

lol

[flat glade]

bring back the old crazy GPU box art!

[devout pendant]

Hello

[devout pendant]

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B086QDXX19/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_glt_i_F83GADV2E5EJFHC03V92

Is good for unreal engine 4 please ??

[unreal ermine]

yes

might wanna get more storage tho

[sacred dust]

Why no get one with Rtx @devout pendant

@devout pendant did u check upcoming thing called Hp victus ? Not sure about price / specs tho

[devout pendant]

according to the comments

[serene flame]

5950x did indeed have a fault. Vendor can't tell me what it is though 😦

Anybody know how RMA's work? I assume they get sent back to AMD and the supplier gets refunded, but really want to know why it died after 2 months in the first place.

[flat glade]

that sucks man

from what I can tell you fill out the warranty claim form on AMD.com and they provide a premade shipping label to send it

they test it and send a replacement (seems most people get a replacement within a week?)

https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/i4akg9/rma_experience_with_amdcom/

surprisingly positive outlook

[serene flame]

All good, they're gonna replace it - what I'd wanna know is what actually happened to the damn thing though

[flat glade]

I have no idea if amd/intel would get super public about how their products explode

sure would be nice if they told you it was a psu issue etc

[mighty cosmos]

How it went in my case is I returned it to the retailer, they sent it to their diagnostics team, thsy confirmed a fault with the cpu and they gave me a new one.

AMD is now taking it for in depth diagnostics, they said they are suspecting a faulty batch of cpus

[wet ore]

looking for noise canceling headset recommendations, dont care about mic, just something that wont squeeze my head until my skull reshapes over time

someone here once recommended the senhauser hd599, they are fantastic but not noise canceling in the slightest

[novel briar]

*sinnheiser

Maybe ones with active cancellation...

One colleague demonstrated me his once, they are good, but I kind of expected more tbh

[flint wave]

the iiyama is great

i also like the 21:9 format

its lot better for work compared to 27

16:9

[dusty glacier]

Yeah, I've heard some good opinions about it

[flint wave]

i paid 440e

good price 144 hz too

has bit of ips glowing and bleed but thats normal i guess

you dont see it unless the screen is pitch black and its dark

[floral nexus]

Is a ryzen 9 3900x gonna hold up when U V comes out? Its got 12 cores and the price aint too bad.

[midnight condor]

yes it will be great

[unborn pike]

still no 3080 RTX for me

ordered almost eight months ago

[floral nexus]

Ouch.

[visual gale]

I saw the prizes for the megajam included 30 series cards and my first thought was "Welp. I have a better chance winning this than I do trying to order one of these things"

[grand wasp]

I am very seriously considering highend Laptop with a 4k screen. I am developing applications in UE for multi-projector displays. At this point its likely to be just me setting this ups, doing VJay Gigs etc, but not anywhere near big installed systems yet

like a serious venue may have

my question is if I have the 4 screen, is that an advantage in authoring content?

becuase I am thinking to start out with in expesive 1080p projectors probably

and though I could have 4 projectors worth of content at full res on my screen

that seems like it will be advantagous

but I have not yet cracked the multidisplay project or looked into that stuff, as I have been focused on learing BP and such. but now I am close and want to start doing some small shows.

but have no laptop now and am trying to figure out what I ought to get

this machine seems like it could serve the purpose for a long time, and be a great mobile development plat form

https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Creators/ZenBook/ZenBook-Pro-Duo-15-OLED-UX582/

thanks ahead of time for any advice from yall

[unborn pike]

small laptops will throttle quite fast because there is no room for the heat

[median marsh]

i wouldn't go for 4k, specially not on 15"...

[sacred dust]

Any suggestions on Light laptop with good specs ? (Travel / school)

[sacred dust]

I think this https://youtu.be/JK3gEuyELIQ

[dusty glacier]

Hello, I still have a problem in choosing GPU for content creation and 4k gaming, I was wondering about 3080Ti and 3090, I've heard rumours that 3090 isn't viable right now, in some gaming tests there isn't big difference in fps between both of them, but is it because in fact their performance is close to each other or video games can't handle and use 24 GB right now, so bottleneck is on developers, not hardware side and 3090 maybe for now doesn't differ too much, but it is good investment in the future?

[kind prairie]

any pre-built pc u guys recommend for using ue4 or 5?

[languid nexus]

For gaming, the 3090 will be outdated by the time its extra ram will make any difference. That ram is for 3D rendering etc, not gaming.

[dusty glacier]

So performance of 3090 will be just worse over time, not better?

[languid nexus]

No, what I meant is that games will stay on <10gb vram requirements for a very long time. By the time most games go over 10gb of vram, the 5090 or 6090 will be out. 😉

[frank glade]

Ok but at 4k gaming already some games go over 10gb

For content creation a lot of ue levels use 20gb of vram. I think there were some benchmarks on puget about it, and how every 8gb or 10gb card faltered there at 2-3 fps while a 3060 12gb managed to do ok with more vram.

I would get the 3090 if youre doing a lot of gpu heavy stuff. My 3080 Ti has over 10gb usage with UE + 3dsmax + sbs painter open

Productivity wise it might be worth it. (Not gaming wise)

[dusty glacier]

Maybe you are right, productivity would be awesome, but even for know there is not any better gpu, so it should be also good in gaming

[daring walrus]

@radiant summit I gotta ask, how is your Threadripper holding up? any slow downs? lags? when using UE4 shaders?. I don't have a threadripper but this Ryzen 3900x sometimes feels like an Intel Celeron

[radiant summit]

update your mobo drivers :p

once I got all the drivers set up, its been the most stable machine ive ever had

[daring walrus]

Haha alright fair enough, ill indeed check my drivers. Might need to format, but waiting for W11 really 😄

[radiant summit]

meh, I wont change windows until much later, I dont trust win/software stability until many patches have been thrown at it

[pallid crypt]

I’m in vacation and there is a laptop here, I was wondering if I can run something like starting third person project with these computer specs or is it a lost cause?

Intel Core i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60Ghz 1.80 GHz
8GB Ram
Windows 10 64bit
Intel Graphics 620

[devout pendant]

Not with that GPU

[wind egret]

It ought to be able to. You can't expect a detailed scene, and depending on the laptop it'll spend most of its time dangerously hot.

[pallid crypt]

Thanks, I intent to run my project in lowest settings. Graphics are not important, I will work on blueprints

[daring walrus]

I'm so used to all the bugs Autodesk is throwing at me, that i can handle Windows mess ups as well. Hahaha 😂

[wind egret]

Didn't Windows have a rare bug that could wipe hard drives? That's a bit more than a mess up. (Automated backups, save thee!)

[radiant summit]

they had one where it kept defragging ssd's non-stop until they died, they also had one where it saw ssd's as a windows tablet causing crashes whenever it tried to "talk" to said ssd's, and prolly a lot more weird stuff

[obtuse rapids]

I spent longer than I care to admit fighting performance issues thinking it was a hardware problem, only to find it being MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision - for whatever reason, those apps don't do well with my 1080TI - the only reason I used them was for fan control when I noticed temps were high (84C on full load)

are there any fan control apps that don't break nvidia stuff? I canj't find a way to control it otherwise?

[robust parrot]

upgrading RAM and i'm laughing at the names. T-Force Xtreem, Patriot Viper Steel, Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, G.Skill Trident Z Neo

i feel like i'm shopping for weapons with these names
is this legal? are PC parts safe in my state?

[serene flame]

The real meme of RAM apart from the marketing designed for teenagers is that they might as well be the same for all the difference it makes.

[real osprey]

Maybe some of you know this, which component is the most important for Unreal Engine? Im buying myself a pc rn

Not really right now but like in a few days

[haughty anchor]

Gavro i am a noob but if i would buy a pc then 2 components are very important. 1 = Graphic Card with highest Ram you can afford and look also for speed on it. (e.g. if you got money go for 24 gb on graphic card). 2 = Ram. You need min 32 gb but better go for 64 if you can afford it. And all other components must fit to take the most out of this ram components. CPU is important too but the most modern will do it.

[wet ore]

CPU hands down. the better the CPU, the faster everything is

light bakes to CPU, unless you use the not production ready GPU lightmass, then having a good gpu is good

focus more on cpu

instead of 50/50 budget on cpu/gpu, do like 60/40 or something with cpu in favor

[royal aspen]

When you do lightmass on cpu with proper setup it isn’t entirely slow either

But proper lightmass setup, like equalized texture density and non wasted faces etc.. importance volumes and volumetric quality volumes etc

It ain’t easy

Ofc if you dial up bounce count and all that, it’s a different story. That will take time

But GPU is very important too

Should be playing your game at all update rates while your making it. But those with the 360hz panels will appreciate the game running as expected... and seeing your game operate at that frequency is rewarding.. as time goes on more people will experience your game with better hardware if they are playing it so make sure the experience is smooth no matter what

But CPU will definitely get work done faster on your end than gpu yes

[minor veldt]

I agree with @haughty anchor here, at least with the first part of the budget. My take is that there are lower limits, which are project dependent, on memory, both RAM and VRAM, and the first priority should be to surpass those. After that you're up and running and the rest are basically nice-to-haves in terms of moment to moment responsiveness of the editor (mainly CPU), reduced build times for C++ or shaders (also CPU), or baking calculations for lighting (GPU). There may be other tasks I'm forgetting or not knowing about as well. You need to know the specifics of your project and your role within the team to know where to best spend your budget for your particular machine.

[midnight condor]

if you are making a stylized or mobile game you really don't need a good GPU at all

[crisp quartz]

16:9 (2560x1440)
21:9 (3440x1440)
Which one is more suitable for cinema design?

[frank glade]

What is cinema design

[fleet bridge]

guys, some of my fans stopping work sometimes, I don't know why? yesterday I opened the case and cleaned all fans, then they worked very well but now 3 of them not working! can anyone give me a solvation??

[novel briar]

Oil them.

[fleet bridge]

but I bought my PC one month ago, I don't think this problem is for dust!!

[novel briar]

Oh, call them. Could be they are just temperature regulated? You know modern fans don't run all the time.

[fleet bridge]

are you sure some of the fans don't run every time? how can I become sure about that?

[magic bison]

5120x2160
(if you wanna be reckless with your money >:D)

[magic bison]

Like @wet ore said, CPU by FAR (& ram & SSD)
This is Unreal5 compiling on my Threadripper 3960x. It's amazing how much it LOVES cpu power:

😭 It scales so well too

VS Unity who just kinda stutters and cries in a corner

• TR hardware is just hot

[robust parrot]

my SDD space is limited. Which one is faster? UE on HDD, projects on SDD or vice versa?

[serene flame]

Doesn't really matter, you're using content from both.

Impossible question to answer tbh

[magic bison]

You'd truly want both on SSD, but the bigger your project, the more it will take advantage of your SSD. The editor doesn't need to load a million things from itself whenever you're in it or compiling, but it does need to load your project and mess with files a lot.

UE on HDD
Project on SSD

[hardy falcon]

hey Engineer or IT guys, so I recently switch to a Quadro RTX 6000 is wierd how a packaged build the FPS drops to 5fps when in regular GeForce is running at 60fps I'm using Quadro drivers is there anything i should tweak or keep in mind when using Quadro with UE?( i know quadro are for cad etc but the issues im having are ridiculus i should get 60fps at least minimum 30fps but not 5fps)

I also keep seeing youtube videos people running UE4 w/ quadro 4000 smoothly

[novel briar]

https://i.redd.it/g8gy6c6nkyh71.png

[median marsh]

@robust parrot what the others wrote, also you can use a cheap af SSD for Unreal itself as you wont have many write operations once it's installed (e.g. A-Data SU650 with 480GB is around $50 or if you have an M2 slot free, you should go for M2 NVME as they're usually faster)

[robust parrot]

damn, that's cheap!

[median marsh]

well it's TLC, so it gets pretty slow once you wrote the cache full, but for anything that's wrote once and read multiple times, it's a good SSD imho

i use it for my games

[robust parrot]

btw, i learned recently my corsair mouse "drivers" is 1gb 😆

it decided it needed to install a 1gb software package

[median marsh]

that's insane

they probably use some weird framework for their software which has a lot of overhead

mousedriver powered by unreal engine, soon™

[robust parrot]

😦

[median marsh]

also if you can spent a bit more on a new ssd, go for an samsung evo 970 (even the old series is good and may get cheaper as they introduced a new series)

[robust parrot]

i was thinking of getting a pci-e x4 SSD? I don't know if that makes sense. I haven't looked at HW since I built my last computer 6 years ago

[median marsh]

well, i don't think that pci-e 4.0 or pci-e x4?

[robust parrot]

not sure

[median marsh]

x4 usually says it's 4 lanes, which probably are most nvme ssds

[robust parrot]

wow, 4 lanes?

and then another lane for the gfx card? 😕

[median marsh]

if you meant the new pci ex 4.0 ssds, i don't think that its really necessary as of now, even pcie 3.0 ssds have read/write speeds >3000 mb/sec

gpus use 8 or 16 lanes, depending on the card/system

[robust parrot]

i think have lane mixed up with slot

[median marsh]

probably

you may have heard the term pci ex x16 slot, which is one slot with 16 lanes

[obtuse rapids]

Im

[robust parrot]

waits for new PC parts

https://tenor.com/baCm8.gif

[flint wave]

@molten bluff you understand what i mean? i think the current amd will be outdated end of the year

would you guys switch to amd now or wait?

[molten bluff]

Not sure about that

[flint wave]

700 more is something

for me 😄

right now

question is will the i9 compile bad

just ordered today new ssd 1tb as well

[molten bluff]

Which i9 do you think is better than a ryzen at the same price ?

[flint wave]

i9 is not better but its 400 cheaper for me since i dont need to change mobo

and the i9 has a good price

[molten bluff]

So which i9 do you think is better and cheaper

[flint wave]

i would get the 11900

the amd 9500x is 550 the i9 300

330

[molten bluff]

The 9500 is like twice faster than the i9

But if you already have an i9 capable motherboard, I guess why not

[flint wave]

have to think about it right now my cpp compiles times are super annoying 😄

[molten bluff]

To be fair if you only do iteration on project code with source control enabled, Unreal should only give the compiler so many files to build

So a 24T CPU might not be significantly faster

If you build the engine though...

Then it gets directly proportional to thread count * ipc

[flint wave]

i use an i5 6500 right now

[molten bluff]

Sure your mobo handles a i9?

[flint wave]

good question i have read yes, i will check again

[molten bluff]

Assuming it doesn't, just get the R9

I have a 5900X at work and it's scaring me

[flint wave]

ok i will get the 5900

[scarlet solar]

Would 8gb and 512 ssd be ok for unreal engine?

[flint wave]

i would go for 16gb at least

and 1tb ssd

512 is fine with one smaller project

[molten bluff]

8GB is clearly not enough

[flint wave]

ok

he knows it better for sure

ok thnx then, i will go for the r9

[flint wave]

what means scaring in values :D?

[molten bluff]

It's really, really fast

For multicore stuff like compiling the engine source, you just can't get better right now

[flint wave]

sounds like exactly what i need

ok you convinced me

[molten bluff]

It's also half the power use from the i9

Not that it's a huge metric

Just shows how far ahead AMD is today

[flint wave]

yes, gonna get it

[flint wave]

can you recomend a mobo?

[molten bluff]

Nah

Not sure what's even in this particular ebast

[minor veldt]

RAM usage scale with the number of cores, so if you get more cores then you will need more RAM. Specially while compiling.

[shadow heath]

yup, a good rule of thumb is to buy 2GB RAM per core.

[serene flame]

64 GB for 32 threads is often not enough for me 😄

Once that PCH starts to grow

[mighty cosmos]

I've been hitting like 35GB now with 5950x when compiling, with my previous i9 9900k it used around 16GB

So in my opinion if you are going for a high core count CPU get at least 32GB or 64GB of ram preferably

[gray surge]

:clock2: 153986216#5241 was muted for 10 minutes.

[wispy flare]

Yeap, the good rule of thumb is at least 1.5GB per thread, and 2GB to be on the safe side

the DDR5 high density modules cannot came soon enough

[flint wave]

another hardware question

would you guys rather choose a sata ssd like evo or a pci express ssd

i ordered a sata one but then i saw how fast pci express is

its like 6 -7 times faster now im not sure

if i should return the sata and get a pci one

[wispy flare]

nvme for sure

linear read/writes

the only thing that matter with nvme ssd is random access time

[flint wave]

hmm ok then i will return the sata

[flint wave]

i want this ssd only for my unreal project

so i think speed matters here

[wind egret]

many motherboards only have one m.2 slot that has sata support, whereas every m.2 slot supports nvme

[round wyvern]

look to do a upgrade of my pc current specs are i7 7700k 16 gb 3200mhz ram 850w PSU 2070 2 small ssds 250 and 500gb and a 2tb HDD
thinking of going for a ryzen 5900x 32gb 3200mhz ram same PSU same GPU same ssd's and HDD add a m.2 1tb and a 1tb ssd

looking to kinda future proof myself and run UE5 right now UE5 shader compile times when launching take 60 mins 😦

can save up for a new gpu later, still hard to find a 30 series card andlast thing i wana do is get rid of my 2070 and not be able to get a GPU

[novel wedge]

I need to get a laptop, I don't know if I should buy a relatively cheap one, or a laptop with a rtx 3060 gpu for double the price. Considering the laptop with a rtx 3060 costs as much as a rtx 3080 gpu I think it's a good deal, but also I wouldn't be doing much gaming
Deciding what to buy takes me more time than I would like to admit

[sage bane]

I would wait for DDR5. much faster. and I would recommend 64gb ram.

I have 32gb ram and is ok most of the time, it's not good when building lighting for example. it was future proof when I bought it 5 years ago, but not anymore.

[round wyvern]

Yeah will take me to the end of the year to save up. So everything will be purchased in 2022. Do we know when ddr5 is coming out or what the price point will be.

[sage bane]

not sure about price and release date but I guess there will be good options until 2022

[median marsh]

2070 isn't that bad, tho

[devout pendant]

one explain to me how this is 14 gb ram usage?? https://i.imgur.com/r2mY1vC.png

[median marsh]

maybe file cache which can be flushed when necessary

idk how windows does memory calculation, aren't there any details in the memory tab?

[devout pendant]

@median marsh

[azure dune]

Hi, I've been trying to stream a pretty graphically intensive Unreal game I'm working on, but when I rewatch the stream, it's extremely laggy. Would getting a capture card fix this? PCI, USB, or standalone?

[frigid heath]

try narrow down the bottleneck

se if streaming something less intensive still has it

right now there could be 100 things hardware or otherwize

[sage bane]

Nvidia ShadowPlay gives best performance for recording afaik.

[azure dune]

@sage bane @frigid heath thanks.

[flint wave]

do you guys think cpu prices will raise next months, due to shortage?

and its better to buy them now?

[slim lance]

Looking for a highend laptop that can do larger unreal games just fine, especially with regards to compile times - any suggestions?

[flint wave]

dont buy a laptop for ue

[slim lance]

Well, I'd kind of want to not waste my time in the train

[flint wave]

legion is quite nice the new one

but forget ue and laptops

just compile at home

or work over vpn

@slim lance aside its super heavy

[robust parrot]

if you try to buy a laptop that can handle UE (and UE5 when it comes out) it will be very heavy and expensive

[frank glade]

Maybe get a laptop with a 5900 ryzen?

[median marsh]

+200W for gpu

[frank glade]

yeah but still faster than my desktop 9900k

[devout pendant]

hello

i need some advice about buying cpu. so i try to build a budget pc that can handle ue4 or maybe even ue5 (which seem impossible at this price range). anyway i consider ryzen 5 3600 and some tomahawk motherboard which allow me to upgrade cpu in the future. will it work without burning itself?

i want to pair it with 3060 when prices go a bit lower, and probably 32gb of ram

[robust parrot]

How much ram do you have now?

I hope it’s 16 or more. I have 8 and it hurts

[devout pendant]

@robust parrot are you asking me? i dunno how to discord lol. i have 16 ddr3 and it seems to be ok but i'll change it for ddr4 ofc

[robust parrot]

yeah, 16 isn't bad. I guess your CPU is the one causing your problems then

[devout pendant]

for now i have amd fx 6200 and it sucks, mobo makes weird beeping sound when its overheating lol

[median marsh]

@devout pendant sounds ok for me, even for UE5

[unborn pike]

still no 3080 for me

8 months since I ordered it

[wind egret]

From where, office depot? 😄

[unborn pike]

verkkokauppa.com

[shrewd shard]

I've been running UE5 on a Xeon 5680 and 1070Ti with all features enabled, however compiling shaders is really slow

[dusty glacier]

I was convinved by community that 27'' 4k monitor won't be good for me and better choice will be WQHD in that monitor size. Can someone recommend me good WQHD monitor with 144hz refresh rate, 1ms delay, HDR and IPS?

[frank glade]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-ups-chip-production-prices-by-10-to-20-percent 😬

[agile lodge]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/visual-technology/arc-discrete-graphics.html

[visual gale]

Unfortunately the hike in price for chips that use more water make sense. Taiwan just dealt with a major drought, and chip production required trucking in water from elsewhere. (And also a lack of water for farmers)

[flint wave]

@molten bluff i will probably wait for the new amd cpu until i upgrade

24 cores just sound to fine and my machine is still working, next rig needs to be fast for ue5

[flint wave]

yes get the https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0866GCPXM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

suffers bit on bleeding but good screen

especially for coding

[dusty glacier]

I needed something more for gaming and coding from time to time, does it have HDR?

[flint wave]

you dont get hdr at this price level, its a good screen for both depends really on the money you want to spend

i love that screen its under 500 and great quality unless you have black background

[dusty glacier]

Something around 750 euro, I am also wondering about monitor you mentioned, but I've heard some good opinions about HDR, I am kind of guy which buys monitor once for 10 years and I wanted to invest some money into it

[flint wave]

i dont care about hdr really

[manic fossil]

hello does the amd 6700XT support the raytracing feature?

[warped knot]

Is there a good solution for working with UE5 on a Mac ? I tried with my Macbook pro i9 64Gb and AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB and the lag was intense on the startup screen. Fired up my old PC with i7 64 GB and 980Ti and it works much better, this is a 6 year old computer was to end Mac.

[flint wave]

@devout pendant i have ordered the 5900x cpu 😄

hope its not to slow for ue5

and it will be nice for ue4

@molten bluff thats the cpu you said its really fast right or did you mean the 5950?

should i rather take the 5950

on geekbench, well i think its 30% more

but i think he was talking about the 5900x in terms of blazing fast

@devout pendant which one would you take? i slowly think a 64core would be best 😄

but since im working on a i5 6500 now i think this will be a feelable upgrade 3,5 times faster probably

is there anyone using a r9 5900x for ue?

to buy it

next amd gen will come out end of 2022

you work on an i7 you said

i7 is slower i guess

which i7?

geekbench?

6700k has only 4 cores?

in geekbench the r9 is 348% faster

i mean its a 12 core cpu

the 5950 has 16c even better

the i9 is -6% behind says notebook check, i think the have usable tests

its ok endo off 2022 i can hopefully sell and buy the new gen

12 cores is ok, maybei will upgrade to 16 on the way next year if they get really cheaper

[mighty cosmos]

The difference between the 5900x and 5950x is not that big

I upgrade recently from an i9 9900k to 5950x and the difference is insane

Engine compile times went down from like 30m to 14ish, would expect the 5900x to take around 18

Just make sure to pair it with at least 32gb of ram and an ssd

[flint wave]

i will, thanks

@mighty cosmos which mainboard did you use?

and m2 or sata ssd?

[mighty cosmos]

I went with x570 taichi
Would definitely recommend m2
I'm using a sata ssd but plan on getting an m2

Eh sounds all the same to me lol

[flint wave]

i bought a sata ssd last week, but i will get a pcie ssd m2 later this year

but welli dont think it makes so much diff

right now i really care about compile times which really annoy me (only for cpp)

yes i have read about that

[mighty cosmos]

It's going to be with a 12/16 core cpu, my ssd is completely maxed out when compiling the engine, I would benefit from a faster one in this case

[flint wave]

so probably the ones around 150 euro are not the best thats why i bought that samsung evo first

@devout pendant which nvme would you recommend?

haha ok

yeah well i will first work with that evo

thanks for all your infos

[novel briar]

eeh... and once upon a time, devs spent hours of thinking before compiling.

[mighty cosmos]

Somehow didn't see your comment earlier...

Well I don't think anyone here meant "sata" by m.2
If the questions is which is better m.2 or sata it is obvious m.2 is referring to nvme

[minor veldt]

I don't think the m.2/sata/nvme situation is obvious at all, and not being clear about what we mean every time is going to lead to more confusion and purchasing mistakes than necessary.

[dusty glacier]

Hello, how things with 5950x look like? Is it a cpu that is vulnerable to any damages with sockets and overall with cpu? Because I want to buy that cpu in other country, because it is way cheaper and repair or exchange of that cpu will be harder then

[mighty cosmos]

Well I didn't pay much attention to it, the question was sata vs m.2 so it was kinda obvious to me what they mean and I didn't think too much about it

Mb 🤷‍♂️

[mighty cosmos]

Well 5950x/AMD CPUs have pins on them but the cpu comes well secured in its packaging so I wouldn't worry about that

[dusty glacier]

Yeah, I meant that I've seen on that discord people had a lot of problems with 5950x socket, but I dont clearly remember why and I wanted to be sure that it is not any physical issue or issue which happened from overclocking or something

[flint wave]

is 32gb enuff for ue4 ue5?

or should i rather get 48-64gb ram?

[novel briar]

Searching on internet should be enough:
https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/Basics/InstallingUnrealEngine/RecommendedSpecifications/

[flint wave]

dont think so

minimum specs say nothing

i did not ask about minimum, also

[novel briar]

Have you saw the recommended tho?

[flint wave]

64gb ram on ue5 ok

[flint wave]

for real 64gb ram

that sounds really a lot

[flint wave]

well i upgrade now thats maybe stupid

but i need it

now 48gb ram, 12 core cpu, 2tb ssd

after the upgrade

that need to work out

@devout pendant new hardware will still take time

the amd will be released end of 2022

and so on

i will not wait that long

and well i will get 64gb ram

[mighty cosmos]

Beat it while using 150 more watts and cooking at 90+C 😬

[flint wave]

i want my new system now, and amd seems to be the best option

it will bring my compile time to 15 sec i guess

@devout pendant when will 12th intel gen be released?

as far as i have read they wont beat any amd

how did that benchmarks look alike?

and still what price range will that cpu be

na man its to much maybe in that calculation

for me

its great 15sec compile time next week 😄

or at least in 2 weeks

already bought all the new parts for my amd pc 😄

at least 2 weeks and its done

@mighty cosmos which cpu cooler do you use btw?

[mighty cosmos]

Gigabyte Aorus 360 AIO

It keeps the 5950x at around 67C at full load all cores maxed out
75C when a single core is maxed out (guess it's boosting higher)
And rare occasional spikes to 82C
Average is around 67-70C

[flint wave]

nice

still searching for the cooler

thanks for the hint

i ordered a gigabyte mainboard

@mighty cosmos you have a pic of your rig?

haha, must look awesome from what you told, that cooling system is way too pricey for me

i want something around 100

im indy game dev

[flint wave]

true

company from austria

im from there

prob i will get one noctua @devout pendant

[mighty cosmos]

Didn't clean it in a while 😅

[granite sparrow]

wow

[mighty cosmos]

This is a prime example of "it depends" on what you plan on doing
Compiling UE5 at the moment and it's eating up around 50GB at times

For just the editor you don't need anywhere close to 64GB
32GB is enough
It depends mainly on the project you are working on but when it comes to compiling the engine with a high core count CPUs the more RAM you have the better

[shrewd shard]

Make sure you have 2 GB RAM per thread for compiling y'all

Personal experience

[novel briar]

But... Chrome?

[flint wave]

noice!

[scarlet solar]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-14-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-1tb-ssd-moonlight-white-moonlight-white/6452913.p?skuId=6452913&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=311&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9_GeqJbZ8gIVJQnnCh0pJg44EAQYBSABEgL2XvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[flint wave]

would not buy a laptop for ue

uff choosing my pc parts has been quite some work

but now im done, finally...

[shrewd shard]

So my CPU fan is dying

It's spinning for like 5% of the time and 300 RPM at most

BUT

It can do some stuff without overheating, like playing some CPU light games and be passively cooled

50 C idle, high 60 under load, 80s at max load for short periods

[novel briar]

Maybe it got dirty? Clean and grease.

[frank glade]

so my car's infotainment shuts off when starting the engine (never happened before), AND auto start/stop doesn't start anymore and I have to turn they key twice to start. bad battery? it's like 5-6 years old

[novel briar]

New heights for #hardware

Them new cars are like black box computers.

[frank glade]

I don't know, seems on topic 😁

[shrewd shard]

Sad thing is, I actually cleaned it recently, so it's not that at all

There's no resistance applied to it at all by any physical means, something internal has died

[novel briar]

Well, they have simple electronics, but still... you need specific part likely.

[flint wave]

what cpu are you using btw?

i finally looking forward to much better c++ compile times now

[novel briar]

Me? 5950x

[flint wave]

you think it was wrong to buy the 5900x?

it was a good offertho, but was not sure if its not better to go for the 5950

[novel briar]

Why? I mean there will be always something better. If you do c++, you need more cores. However, if you write good code, you don't need to compile so much 😄

I think the difference is kinda small to bother with.

[flint wave]

true but im fairly new to unreal that makes me compile more often than i will do lets see in a couple of months

not new to c++ of course

[flint wave]

yeah thats why the extra 14% are prob some secs compile time, and yea you can always go higher

blue man already told me 😄

[novel briar]

He Orange, just pretends. Anyway, your cpu is good enough, be happy with it and go compile.

[flint wave]

yea great, will assemble it next weekend

[novel briar]

How much ram? I remember you asking around, lol

[flint wave]

i have 16gb now, i will insert another 32gb and later for ue5 exchange the existing 16 with 32, then i have 64

right now i will be super happy about the better compile time

cpu and ssd was first step to improve

[blazing steppe]

do u need nvme for ue5 to push it to the max?

[mighty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-that-remember-batman-bad-guy-i-will-remember-that-gif-11943514

Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not 😐

[mighty cosmos]

But yeah the difference between the 2 is not that big and definitely not worth overthinking it

[novel briar]

It's a joke with your nickname color ofc

[mighty cosmos]

Ohhh I feel dumb 🤦
The joke went straight over my head lol

[novel briar]

https://tenor.com/view/get-well-get-well-gif-13393267

[slate blade]

getting tempted to purchase a r9 5950x right now (currently running a r7 3700x), but idk if I'm weak enough to actually buy it. It hasn't been at around $750usd in a very long time tho
Suggestions/recommendations? I know that the 5950x is a beast for several applications compared to the 3700x but is it worth the upgrade yet for (mostly) unreal-only usage?

[mighty cosmos]

Hard to resist those 14min engine builds tho 👀

[flint wave]

lol 😄

well i really hope my new system will improve compile time, and work experience at all, working with ue on that i5 system is really no fun

it freezes that often

next week i know more

[flint wave]

i can tell you next week how the upgrade feels like 😄

[slate blade]

Ik but I don't really rebuild engines often 😛

my every day compiles are usually way below 400 build actions/compile

[flint wave]

working with the 3700 cant be that snappy at all

[slate blade]

Yeah it's pretty bareable

[novel briar]

~30 minutes was the full build last time I checked. Did they sold me half the cores? 🤔

[mighty cosmos]

🤔
UE4 takes around 14 while UE5 takes around 20(ish) for me
How much ram do you have?

[novel briar]

64/3200

Nvme2 disks

[mighty cosmos]

30 min for UE4 or 5?

[novel briar]

4.26.2

[mighty cosmos]

Something doesn't seem quite right lol

[novel briar]

Definitely 🤔

[mighty cosmos]

is it thermal throttling?

[novel briar]

I haven't rebuilding in ages, but that what I remember.

What do you mean?

Thermal is fine.

[mighty cosmos]

Hmm do benchmark results look fine?

That's really weird, it took me 30-35 minutes on the i9 9900k, on the 5950x it takes me around 14 minutes and I think Glass showed similar results too

[novel briar]

Will have to look again. The only thing I have configured is that I build from my project repo, while ue is in another disk.

Not that I care about full rebuilds so much tho. That happens rarely enough, thanks fate.

[unborn pike]

re: 5950X

https://giphy.com/gifs/personal-shia-labeouf-just-saying-GcSqyYa2aF8dy

[flint wave]

my 5900x arrived

ye ye

[flint wave]

what was the issue?

[novel briar]

I dunno, I don't care yet so much to research it.

Okay, I cared. 1700s and seems ppl around too have similar time: #cpp message
fyi @mighty cosmos

[mighty cosmos]

That seems a lot, I'll try rebuilding 4.27 real quick

Now I'm curious

[mighty cosmos]

(it's building the project too so it took 2 minutes longer)

[flint wave]

im really curious about my new build, but well, weekend or next week, depends if i get all the parts together

got my cpu at least delivered 😄

[mighty cosmos]

Nice 👌
It's gonna be a big difference switching from an i5

[novel briar]

🤷‍♂️

[unborn pike]

I caved in a splurged on a 3090 for a ridiculous price

I got sick and tired of the renovation + moving + 2 month old baby project combo

😄

the gpu should arrive next week 🤔

[novel briar]

Patience is good. Took 6900xt several months ago, never needed its power so far.

On the other hand, I think prices are still high.

[unborn pike]

they are

I ran out of patience

...I'll just deduct this from my taxes since it's a work computer

[novel briar]

Anyway, treat yourself 🙂

[devout pendant]

Crap the RAM and SSD I had in my shopping cart is now sold out. Lol, why do I do this to myself.

I knew I wanted it.

Now I can't have it yet.

[shrewd shard]

Got a new fan for my CPU, temps are now 60C max and the entire system is quieter

Time to return to intensive tasks

[novel briar]

Noctua?

What cpu?

[crystal compass]

Hi, can i put dual 3090’s in a pc?

[solid sparrow]

Hi All, hope you are well, any recommendations on 4k monitors for Unreal Engine?

[shrewd shard]

Arctic P12 PWM, for Xeon X5680

Turns out the BIOS on the mobo I have ramps up the other fans in case one fan doesn't work/exist

Which makes sense for a server/prebuilt workstation

[devout pendant]

Hmm, 850 Watt Gold efficiency or 750 Watt Platinum efficiency for $40 more. I'm not sure 2% difference in efficiency is worth less watts for more dollars...