hardware

[grave sundial]

Just like J.D. Vance, cursed.

Okay, I like the stand I picked.

Now, I have to figure out the logistics of it.

Do I block my view of my bonsai (fake) tree, or do I potentially block my access to a water bottle on the opposite side?

Also, after I am done using it, do I just leave the monitor dangling in the air, like a scarecrow? 👻

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/z_G0ni5kPz4?si=3bPLxnKNtR4rpL4J

[mellow galleon]

why kingston so ***. i have 3 kingston ssd. one kc600 bought 7 years ago, one kc600 2 years ago, one a400 last month.
i use Kingston SSD manager to track some smart params that usually unnamed, that app has several version
but WHY oldest picked only on 1.0 version, second identified only on 1.1 version and third identified only in 1.5 version
with 3 ssd installed i need 3 different kssd apps to see the data
and crystaldisk does not show the "vendor specific" smart params

[median marsh]

is there no other smart tool available?

i know that on linux they update their internal DB sometimes to add vendor specific flags

so i assume, that something like this might aswell exist for windows?!

[grave sundial]

You could search for a 3rd party app that tracks ssd health, instead of kingston's.

[median marsh]

https://www.smartmontools.org/

seems to have an windows build aswell

[grave sundial]

He's way ahead of me. ^ 😄

[mellow galleon]

there are others, just needed to view vendor specific values that not shown on regular

idk why but my ssd occassionally gets "unexpected power loss" after shutting down windows (on laptop)and im trying to figure out why it is happening

atm counter 15 on system ssd, and 3 on new ssd i just bought

windows 10

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhrHL6s0NZs

[wise elbow]

tbh I'm surprised it's taken them this long to use refrigerants

probably just prohibitively expensive for the most part?

also probably struggles with CPU heat distribution...

[orchid iron]

Gamer Nexus made a detailed video about why it was so complex to make

[mighty patrol]

Physics op

[grave sundial]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/pegatron-preps-1-177-pflop-ai-rack-with-128-amd-mi350x-gpus

128 GPUs.

Make like Oliver Twist, "Sir, can I have one?"

NVidia apparently released a firmware fix for 5060's black screen and reboot.

Did anyone update?

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0oh7wAkOfI

[orchid iron]

Btw, did they do a keynote? I missed it

(talking about intel)

[agile lodge]

havent seen those but intel tech have doing some booth things going to talk

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RE-maBCzcLA&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

Comment down below, how much mental damage you got from this

[mighty patrol]

Now install TempleOS on it

[somber wadi]

I'm buying a new PC but I don't really know what I'm doing.
Basically I want a PC that can cope with making particle effects and shaders in UE but I have a limited budget.
I have attempted to make a custom build but would love any feedback or suggestions. 😁

More info here:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/specs-for-making-vfx-in-ue5-on-a-budget.101369/

[orchid iron]

what is the cpu cooler?

I'm finding a PC, not a cpu cooler online

also, the PSU is bad, I'd reccomend searching a PSU from here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=1973454078#gid=1973454078
or here
https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=psu-performance-database

[somber wadi]

This I'm assuming?
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 V3 Series High Performance CPU Cooler

[orchid iron]

you can ignore the "ATX" thing (edit: on PSU) for your build, it is mostly useless in your case

[orchid iron]

can't find it for some odd reason, can you post a link to it?

[mighty patrol]

This? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145265910400

Similarly

[somber wadi]

I'm using PC Specialist (because I don't want to build it myself) that was just the cheapest option they had.

[somber wadi]

Seems like the previous version of that from what I can tell

[orchid iron]

okay, this seems pretty solid

[orchid iron]

what are the PSU options?

[somber wadi]

You can see the build options here:
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/5tBUQews6u/
PSU options all seem to be corsair though

[orchid iron]

RMe series and RMx PSUs are pretty good

try to get at least 750w so you can upgrade stuff easier later without having to upghrade PSU

[orchid iron]

also that SSD look kinda sus, what is the price difference from that and the 2TB samsung pro 990?

[somber wadi]

like £50

[orchid iron]

also, be aware you have (1x32gb) so since you only have 1 stick of ram, you are losing out on potential performance, however if you can buy an extra 32gb single dimm later, it could be smart budget wise

[orchid iron]

worth it if you go from a very questionable ssd to one of the best

[somber wadi]

fair

[somber wadi]

I was looking into the difference of one stick vs multiple (1x32 vs 2x16, etc.) and it seemed like there wouldn't be a big difference so I just chose 1 (because it was cheaper) 😅

[orchid iron]

gotcha, so be aware, you could upgrade your ram to 64gb very easily thanks to that

so yeah, pay attention to PSU and SSD
For content creation having a fast and reliable SSD is so nice
And good PSU allow you to easily upgrade later and make your whole PC more protected against potential electrical instabilities

[somber wadi]

That's great, thanks for the input 😁

[median marsh]

wouldn't recommend that because the risk of getting incompatible sticks is there

[orchid iron]

living on the edge

[mighty patrol]

Just buy them a week apart

[orchid iron]

he is buying from a pc builder

[mighty patrol]

Yeah but

You could probably find the ram used

[wise elbow]

RMe PSUs are loud as fuck and I would recommend something else

[agile lodge]

coolermaster showed on Computex some fanless PSUs

[mighty patrol]

Fanless gpu by intel too

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOmwmfN9K08

[orchid iron]

soon, laptops will come pre-installed with steamOS

[mighty patrol]

Better be

As long as they are amd based and nvme capable

[orchid iron]

intel ain't that bad either

since they are mentally able to properly open source their stuff...Unlike a certain company

[mighty patrol]

I know just the limits of steam os currently it seems

[agile lodge]

intel had this talking tech thing https://youtu.be/GwOWnJmV25I?si=Ewfa4Jx8m3H1a-8B

[orchid iron]

Pog, ty

[tame patrol]

Hardware geek question.
One a Windows machine does anyone know if Unreal relies on or benefits from Simultaneous Multi-Threading (AMD CPU)?
To boost performance in another app I am exploring turning this off in BIOS.

[grave sundial]

This is not an answer to your question, but if you are merely looking to restrict an application from using more than one core, there's no need to disable that in BIOS. You can use a program called Process Lasso.

It lets you bind a particular processor (or more) to a particular application, and all that.

[wise elbow]

project lasso is the way to go

and tbh I've found most programs (even games) don't really care about having threading turned off or getting forced onto one ccd

[somber surge]

For anything compilation related in Unreal, you will greatly benefit from it since Unreal will be able to start many compilation threads with all the available cores/threads

So code compilation, shader compilations, etc

[orchid iron]

Unless he barely has any ram

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzDlR4omF4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

[wise elbow]

what's the answer

[orchid iron]

Fixed

But you need to update BIOS

Funny enough, just like intel CPUs, if you had a water cooler, you were more likely to fry the CPU because of overclockiing features pushing the CPU harder

Just keep in mind, they claim they were within AMD's safety guidelines, so I'm guessing after this story, AMD probs gonna edit their guide lines xD

[tame patrol]

So no benefit runtime related?
Code and shader compilation happen only on project launch, correct?

[somber surge]

For runtime it probably won't have much of an impact no

[royal pasture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b9pbfd

review my build please

am i being an idiot

should i get the 7800xt instead

[vocal cloak]

get the best you can afford.

[royal pasture]

whats the best lol

[vocal cloak]

what's your budget? touché.

[royal pasture]

1500

and i already have the storage so theres 200$ to work with

i think this is the best i can do

unless i upgrade to a 5070ti

[vocal cloak]

If you want to know whether a 5060TI or a 7800XT makes more sense I'd go with the RTX due to the lower power use otherwise they're pretty close in terms of performance. (ignoring rtx altogether here)

[royal pasture]

which is out of budget

yea but for unreal

nvidia seems ot be recommended more

[vocal cloak]

plus vram differences, don't forget it's not just the amount but also the speed.

[royal pasture]

right so

?

not following u

ur saying to go with the xt

oh well too late whatevs

i already refunded by 5070

and i got the 5060ti

itll be fine i think

[vocal cloak]

Nope, suggested you get the 5060

[royal pasture]

oh good

sry im new

to builds

yea only thing i could do is get the 5070ti

[vocal cloak]

For the budget it's not a bad combo

[royal pasture]

ye

[vocal cloak]

If you can get a higher series... go for it.

(make sure you can get it in the form factor you're building though)

[wise elbow]

id be shocked if you fit a 5070ti with that budget?

[orchid iron]

@royal pasture the better question is what are the prices for the 5070, 5060 ti 16gb and 5060
Since of those are overpriced, check alternatives first

Also will you run RT in your project?

[royal pasture]

oh definitely not

[royal pasture]

the 5060ti 16gb was the only sensible buy

[wise elbow]

it's a decent card

[orchid iron]

Funny enough, the fact it is close to msrp price makes it pretty good xD

Hard to come buy msrp nowadays

[royal pasture]

yup lol

ended up saving money, returned my 5070 so thats good

[orchid iron]

Now, what about the PSU?

Did you check any tier lists or spreadsheets before buy it?

[royal pasture]

...no is it bad?

i was told its just fine

[orchid iron]

It should be checked from professionals that spend their time testing PSUs

[royal pasture]

oh wait

sorry

hold on

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NW2Rb2

this is the actual final build i went with

hard to keep my links straight

went air cooler and a gold rated 850w psu

[wise elbow]

PSU is a little suspect

[orchid iron]

Yeah, air cooler is nice, but PSU still kinda sus

[royal pasture]

why

[orchid iron]

Never seen a PSU with a long factory number name on DYI parts before xD

[royal pasture]

it has a ton of good reviews

[wise elbow]

nvm it seems fine

[orchid iron]

Well, anyways, did you check all dimensions of the build since you are going with micro ATX (rip 2 ram slots)

[royal pasture]

wadya mean it has 4 ram slots

[orchid iron]

Nvm, it has 4

[royal pasture]

yea i checked

all should be good

excited

ram clearance is fine

hopefully build turns out well

[orchid iron]

And you already have storage and aren't going with that SSD?

[royal pasture]

case didn't come with any fans so i picked up a set of these too https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BKKG1ZND

[royal pasture]

i harvested 2tb of storage from my dead laptop

ill get more later

[wise elbow]

harvested

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, seems fine then

[royal pasture]

upgrading from a 6800M to this 5060ti so

i'll enjoy it

if i coulda gotten the 5070ti for $850 deal i woulda done it

but it sold out

[mighty patrol]

Make sure you plant it properly so it sprouts and grows into a beautiful storage unit.

[royal pasture]

maybe ill harvest the 1tb main drive too

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acivh3w3QA8

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/pJ2tAZfoXt0?si=1Vuq9yWI3-mduJrI

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r84Y1iXPRgk

Huawei's New GPU!

[median marsh]

😄

[mighty patrol]

I loved that part

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[orchid iron]

peer to peer is the dream

[mighty patrol]

But it's a pentagram

[north arch]

just a tangled token ring

[prime loom]

@maiden prism There is though

[maiden prism]

I only see the Hardware Channel in "Suggested"... It's not in any of the other channels. You guys must have some hidden channels.

[orchid iron]

Of course the best channels are hidden :D

[maiden prism]

Well, dude said he was going to ban me for not posting my message in the right channel. Then directed me to a hidden channel and said I should read the rules and post in the right chat…
The right chat being one I couldn’t see. lol

[orchid iron]

it is what it is, so what was the original question?

[maiden prism]

No I was just responding to you. My question was more of a statement to Stay Away From Xidax PCs..

They tried to screw me out of my warranty and I called them on it and they reversed it.

[orchid iron]

wait, out of VRAM issue? What cpu do you have?

[maiden prism]

I9 13k? I can’t remember. It was the latest one the month the 4090 came out

[orchid iron]

yup there you go, this is a known issue with the intel 13th and 14th gen

your GPU is fine

[maiden prism]

Never had the issue before. And tested the CPU for weeks.

[orchid iron]

it is more of a long term issue, but it'll work fine early

[maiden prism]

Well, still a cheaper fix than a new 4090

[orchid iron]

soon you'll be able to get an item which you can plug inbetween your 4090 and PSU so that it warns you if your GPU will melt itself, because that's another known issue :D
4090 and 5090 melting themselfs :D

[maiden prism]

They’re sending me a new GPU. So hopefully you’re wrong and my tests were correct.

[maiden prism]

That would suck. LoL. I’ve had it two years though, no issues except for the vram this past month. Just all of the sudden.

[orchid iron]

I mean, calling your card full of bugs isn't completly wrong, recent nvidia drivers have been absolute dog water

[maiden prism]

No

They meant LITERALLY bugs

Like creepy crawlers

[orchid iron]

lmao

[maiden prism]

Which is BS. My pc is squeaky clean.

Got mesh around every hole too. Impossible

[orchid iron]

yeah, many people with intel 13th and 14th gen had same problems

do you use AIO btw?

[maiden prism]

They were trying to get out of honoring a warranty is all.

All in one what!

?

[orchid iron]

basically water cooler for cpu

[maiden prism]

Yes

[orchid iron]

man, odds of it being cpu jumped up even more, okay, last one, when was the last time you updated BIOS?

[maiden prism]

never lol

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-for-editing-gif-19127929

[maiden prism]

lol

[orchid iron]

yeah, cpu's fried

[maiden prism]

It’s a pain in the ass dude.

I ran CPU tests. I doubt it

But it’s possible I guess

Doubt it though. Ran a LOT of tests for CPU. Temps always good too.

I do however, need to update bios.

[orchid iron]

Temps don't matter if internal circuits are permanently fried due to excessive voltages

[maiden prism]

Yea but that would have shown up in tests if that was the case

[orchid iron]

not always

[maiden prism]

Well, hopefully not. But still, it’s at least a cheaper fix than a new 4090

I’ll test it again when I get my 4090 back. And update Bios. We’ll see from there. Hope you’re wrong. lol

[orchid iron]

I also hope this is a 0.01% case where with all the fried cpu symptoms you described, the GPU ended up being the culprit

[north arch]

You need to show all channels. Click or tap on the server name, channels and roles, and select the ones you want.

[median marsh]

i though intel fixed that with a microcode update which was delivered through windows update?!

[orchid iron]

Well, he has all symptoms and never updated BIOS, so idk about that
Although it is possible he used it in the time where windows didn't have it, thus greatly reducing life span before proper fixes were distributed

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1WkBIxTHdV0?si=sZoQs6LS9xdU_LGf

O.o

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1UApYgh5wXU

I like how after Der Bauer highlighted the melting cable issues, few months later we have like at least 3 different companies wanting to sell us products which would potentially help us not melt our stuff

[grave sundial]

We are adapting to the new hardware standard. If it isn't catching fire, it just ain't right. 🔥

https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-radeon-8060s-linux

Radeon 8060s in Linux - some gfx benchmarks.

[orchid iron]

noice!!!

[agile lodge]

Intel Computex https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8t1FdN2Tj3YW09UM1ztTnMQH4wYYArMc

[orchid iron]

TY

[orchid iron]

https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/nvidia-reportedly-plans-to-cut-rtx-50-series-gpu-production/

Not again

[mighty patrol]

Classic

[orchid iron]

We started getting those when the 50 series was months away, unless the 60 series is next year, this would be really annoying, especially when the super variants are coming end of this year

[mighty patrol]

I feel we won't see the next gaming gpus for a while tbh

At least not from Nvidia

Intel and Amd may pick up the torch

Huawei is competing w/ Nvidia now so

Maybe 2-3 years

The gap between 40-50 series was too short

[orchid iron]

Yeah, we clearly see most improvements were from gddr7...which if AMD would do RDNA 4 with gddr7, I wonder what kind of uplift that would get 🤔

[mighty patrol]

Well 7700 XT looked amazing

Can only imagine what 7900 XT+ will be like

With time

When drivers get flushed out etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJUK3qoN_jU

Surprised this is still on youtube

[orchid iron]

There is some crazy stuff on youtube

[grave sundial]

https://www.pcguide.com/news/amd-warns-of-freesync-crash-with-multiple-high-resolution-monitors-in-latest-driver-update/

For whoever is using Freesync and multi-monitor setups.

---

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Radeon-Software-Drop-Prop-GL-VK - I don't know if I posted this before, but for Linux, AMD is apparently dropping OpenGL and Vulkan drivers and going with Mesa RADV.

---

And AMD released a driver update to fix path tracing crashes in Win 11.

[mighty patrol]

Good

[grave sundial]

whisper whisper 9080XT - 32GB GDDR7 whisper whisper
So goes the rumor mill.

---

Ubuntu got improved Intel GPU support.

What's prompted this increased love for Linux? 🙂

https://www.notebookcheck.net/88-TB-storage-monster-in-test-Aoostar-WTR-Pro-is-a-NAS-and-mini-PC-in-one.1026703.0.html - 88TB NAS. 👀

What's the shelf life on these things? 10 years?

[orchid iron]

Ye, saw it too, I'm hyped for it if it has buyable price

[orchid iron]

https://vizworld.com/2010/10/xfx-nvidia-breakup-real-time/#:~:text=The decision to stop working,not sell enough Nvidia cards.

"but I think XFX will regret it in the long term."

That quote aged so well if you ask me

[north arch]

Why?

[mighty patrol]

Because Jonas didn't hang himself.

[mighty patrol]

Linus just giving away 12k usd pc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADSNLvZ67tk

[warped pendant]

This is my machine.

Limited-time deal: HP 15, Intel Core Ultra 5 125H Laptop (16GB DDR5,512GB SSD) IPS, Anti-Glare, Micro-Edge, 15.6''/39.6cm, FHD, Win11,M365,Office24, Silver,1.65kg, FHD Camera w/Privacy Shutter & TNR, Backlit, fd1254TU
https://amzn.in/d/j4FNKGI

how can I use an external GPU? It has 2 USB Type-A 5Gbps signaling rate; 1 HDMI 1.4b; 1 USB Type-C 10Gbps signaling rate (USB Power Delivery, DisplayPort 1.2, HP Sleep and Charge)

I have upgraded the RAM to 32GB

[plush turret]

is this an ok laptop for someone who plays light games like minecraft and uses word docs? https://www.microcenter.com/product/685665/hp-15-fd1003ca-156-laptop-computer-(refurbished)?ob=1

[north arch]

minecraft really isn't a light game

it's no crysis, but look at realtime resource utilization in vanilla

[mighty patrol]

It's also not a small feat to generate all it does

[north arch]

indeed

and all the constant loading and storing of chunks

[plush turret]

she isnt a "gamer" and MC is the biggest demand game she plays

[north arch]

mods or vanilla?

[plush turret]

vanilla

is thermalite a decent cooler brand or is it shit?

im trying to give her PC and laptop options

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hawkart0522/saved/#view=WjRdxr

would this likely work?

[tough owl]

dunno, seems like a lot of money for the sake of buying new

[plush turret]

she wants this to last a while

shes a teacher, so limited income

looking for 5-8 year lifespan as a document pc and light games

[tough owl]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/496FrM dunno if you can get away with less when buying new

and I deliberately did not pick asrock motherboard because they have been blowing up cpus lately

you can salvage 80$ and salvage atx case from recycling center

but nzxt cases are nice, worth the investment

[plush turret]

that MB has no prices when i look

[tough owl]

it showed 139$ for me

[plush turret]

im usa based that might be the problem

[tough owl]

well any motherboard will do, but I would steer away from asrock for the moment(as long as its am5 socket)

[plush turret]

alright

also what about the cooler

[tough owl]

included with the cpu

not gonna be the most quiet one, but it works

[plush turret]

yeah she wont be doing too much with it

will this work? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGWQ128D

[tough owl]

sure I guess

[plush turret]

would this help too? https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Optiplex-3060-Computer-Professional/dp/B0CKTM52YC/

or work at least for use case?

[tough owl]

actually not sure does the mobo support that cpu

[plush turret]

tbh building might not fit her needs

[tough owl]

still looking the specs

refurbished office PCs might be a good alternative

I got my dad an older HP with ryzen 3, the igpu was perfectly capable of running Detroit: Become Human on low settings

and that was like 70$

+20$ to throw in bit more memory

[tough owl]

There's plenty of Mini PCs on amazon to choose from, most are around 300-400$

just finding one with good iGPU might take some work

https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-EQR5-Processor-PCIE3-0x4-Computer/dp/B0DLP5P62S/

for example ^

It's Vega8, it can run most games from past 10 years at 720p

[north arch]

I've always liked the more cube form factors like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Computer-Chassis-Pre-installed-CA-1D5-00S1WN-00/dp/B00PDDMN6S

drop a monitior on top of it on a short desk and it's about right

man that looks scammy

mods got the scammer

[north arch]

silverstone makes a lot, including with built in carry handles

[orchid iron]

Something to keep in mind, mini PCs a d laptops usually have horrible thermals, so when underload, they might shut off
Saying this because if she uses vanilla Minecraft with no mod optimizations, assume she is running cinebench 24/7 xD

@plush turret https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DYTxQd

Right around 450$

OMG, she can even put cup holders in this case if she wanted lol

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o21CDqlCSps#

1:50 savage

[vestal basalt]

Guys need suggestions for a good pc that can handle a big environment in an unreal engine.

[fallen oasis]

The more you spend, the better it will be.

VRAM is king.

[vestal basalt]

Full specification will be helpful 🙂

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[orchid iron]

Nvidia 4090, 5090 or 5080 super
There ya go, that's the budget for the whole pc ,:D

[fallen oasis]

This is not a good development laptop.

Laptops good at deving in unreal will probably cost twice that.

16gb memory, 1tb ssd and 6gb vram will be hard blockers on any project bigger than a text adventure.

The screen isn't too bad.

Unfortunately, a laptop good at unreal will cost 1.5-2x that of a pc of similar nature.

[orchid iron]

Lol, how did you know what I'm working on xD

[digital latch]

Is it good just for learning? I will buy a high end PC when I learned it?

[orchid iron]

Oh, if you are just learning that's fine, I got a 10 year old dell laptop with a Nvidia 960m, and I got to learn plenty and I'm still learning :)

[digital latch]

Nice I will also do the same

[fallen oasis]

I'd buy a shitty pc with upgrade potential instead of a laptop.

[digital latch]

BTW 1TB is not enough? Because I will probably only download Minecraft and Roblox game nothing else

[digital latch]

I have to travel for now that's why

[orchid iron]

Look online how easy it is to get storage upgrades for your laptop

I used to have a 125gb SSD and 1TB HDD on my laptop, which I later upgraded to SSD 2 TB + 4TB
Which felt like night and day

@digital latch also, if you plan to use windows, I'd recommend using 32gb ram not 16gb xD
If you use UE on Linux 16gb is fine, but windows will casually eat half of it so that your weather apps are up to date

[digital latch]

Yeah Windows Consume lot of Storage

[orchid iron]

Check if your laptop has 32gb of ram versions available, if it doesn't, then you likely can't upgrade the ram amount

Oh wait, you wrote it can go up to 64gb of ram? @digital latch

[digital latch]

Yes I can upgrade ram

[orchid iron]

Nice, even if you get the 16gb ram version, you should be able to buy the ram separately (just be careful to buy correct one that is compatible)

NGL, 64gb of ram for UE + windows bloat, very nice

[digital latch]

I don't want to upgrade it I want to switch into PC as soon as possible but for now I need to use My laptop that my Uncle gave me (the same laptop)

I don't have enough money I will try earn money for PC from my yt

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, but just keep in mind, you could spend around 100$ for 64gb of ram
And 100$ for an extra 2TB of storage
Which would get you a pretty solid UE Dev laptop
You'd be held back by your GPU, but GPU prices right now are pretty messed up anyways

[digital latch]

Ok I will try upgrading it

[north arch]

the nice thing about those cube cases is there's plenty of room for airflow

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah they look amazing

[north arch]

bit spendy, not full sized, but I've always liked it

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ThTxTG8fLvY

[orchid iron]

Anyone still using Wind OS 10 in 2025?

Oh whoops, forgot a W, because right now this os didn't have any in recent years

[fallen oasis]

Hopefully a lot of people.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGn-_qj76sk

[wise elbow]

i wish I still used 10

11 has been just worse apart from hdr support

[orchid iron]

No wait, let me correct my self, it did get AI suite capable of using AI to enhance our experience...on my 10 year old quad core 960m with 16gb RAM :)
But it is fine because the AI generates the AI performance so that my laptop can match 4090 performance

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=frBNnNWEbyk&pp=ygULd2hhdCBpcyBoZHI%3D

Btw, I actually don't know what is HDR, so I briefly looked at some videos online, and now I understand that "fake HDR" is actually the effect that is supposed to simpulate your eyes adaptating to dark areas and them when going into bright areas, the brightness changes to match the area
What is actually HDR ?

[grave sundial]

It's a lighting system that captures and enhances the details in shadows (dark) and highlighted (bright) areas.

Fake, or otherwise, the intention is to bring the lighting as close to real-life as possible.

[orchid iron]

@grave sundial out of curiosity, since from what I understand there is larger colour values in order to do that

Does that mean that 4k HDR is way heavier than normal 4k?

[grave sundial]

No. I don't think so. The file size of video content will be based off of bitrate. I believe the reason fake HDR is used is to prevent the SD colours from being washed out, and for non-HDR monitors to display HDR content without native HDR display.

If you want a true HDR experience, you need one of those HDR displays. Uh, I forget the monitor names.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha, ty

[wise elbow]

oleds are really the only monitors with true hdr

[vocal cloak]

well that's why you have 8 bits dithered, 10 bits, etc. a lot of screens can't support 10 bits at a high frame rate or resolution it really depends... HDR has become a rats nest.

[orchid iron]

Wait, so we are stuck at 8 bits?

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jie-Jdy9hNI

[agile lodge]

then get $900 router

[mighty patrol]

But this ones a dev kit

[orchid iron]

9060xt 16gb looking nice
Hopefully AMD disowns the 8gb variant and fires that market guy who should NOT have access to social media

Btw more and more rumours about some 9080 xt with 32gb of gddr7, I'm surprised they actually making some sort of "super" variant of the 9070xt like nvidia

[grave sundial]

how much is the rumoured price?

[wise elbow]

300 and 350 I think

[grave sundial]

For the 32GB?

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[wise elbow]

idk prolly 750 MSRP and 3 million dollars market price

[grave sundial]

Fine. Time to rob a bank, I guess.

[orchid iron]

Good evening #hardware channel, just another day of overclocking Fans and undervolting Cases

[grave sundial]

Did you get your computer assembled finally?

[orchid iron]

no

it is fine, learning how to git gud as a solo dev takes priority anyways, currently making stuff on blender for the first time, it is quite fun but complex

[orchid iron]

When were 2gb chips of GDDR released?
Because perhaps it is because 3gb of chips weren't yet available that made Nvidia not really care about releasing over 8gb models for the low end

I'd be curious how the number of memory chips in GPUs changed overtime relative to the max storage of individual chips

[grave sundial]

My successful indie dev friend just bought a new PC:
Full Specs:
ASUS ROG Z890 Hero
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K

MSI RTX 5090 32g

128gb DDR5 Ram, 6400Mhz

2x Samsung 970 EVO M.2 Cards (2tb)
1x Samsung 860 EVO SSD (4tb)
1x Western Digital Red Drive (10tb)

Sound Blaster AE-7

Woo hoo! 🙂

[fallen oasis]

That's a lot of hd space!

[north arch]

sound blaster still exists?

[somber surge]

Sometime in 2021-2022, the 3090 had 24x1GB chips, but then the 3090Ti had 12x2GB chips

But the only reason they are not doing 3GB chips on the low end is that they want to keep them for those stupidly priced RTX PRO with 96GB

[orchid iron]

I thought they were using double sided PCB to place them

[somber surge]

They are, 16x3GB chips on each side of the PCB

[orchid iron]

Oh snap

Well hopefully 60 series will have 12 GB for the 60 class model xD

[somber surge]

Probably, but at that point 12GB will be borderline already, like 8GB was in 2020

Next gen consoles are coming in 2027, that's like a bit after those next gen gpus, so if you are looking to keep your gpu 3 years+... 12GB will definitely be a problem by 2030

And you perfectly know they will be releasing 12GB low end in 2028, 2030 as well, just like they are doing with 8GB now

[orchid iron]

Man, imagine the steam deck 2 having more dedicated Vram than GPUs xD

@somber surge do you think it is viable to buy a 3090 with 24x1gb so that when 3gb or 4gb chips come out, you'd replace the 1gb chips with 3gb or 4gb?

[somber surge]

You can't

The 3GB/4GB are GDDR7 chips only

The best you could do is replacing them with 2GB GDDR6X...but good luck finding those and replacing them

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

Ah, what a shame

[somber surge]

4GB chips don't even exist yet

I'm not even sure they are planned

[orchid iron]

SoonTM
(I mean eventually we'll have 10gb memory chips because games will require 50gb of VRAM )

[grave sundial]

I can't wait for the all in GB. VRAM, DRAM, storage, everything.

5TB cube - 4TB storage and 1TB for everything else.

[orchid iron]

64gb of DRAM on our SSDs

[grave sundial]

With toggleable GDDRs, too.

Wanna pretend to be slow, switch to GDDR20. Wanna be super fast? Go GDDR40.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rPqY1fZCRkk

[grave sundial]

The first step to such experiments is to conduct them in Antarctica.

Like, next to a polar bear.

[upper ermine]

Looking at a new GPU, and very strongly considering switching to AMD (9070/XT) from NV, does anyone have experience with both brands and how supported UE5 is with them? Any caveats to using an AMD card for UE5?

[median marsh]

i read often about issues with Nanite on AMD cards 😦

[somber surge]

For UE5 it works just fine (the engine is fully optimized around AMD since their main target is consoles), though you may encounter issues on surrounding softwares depending on what you do. It's worth a shot though if you can find it near msrp or at a good discount from the 5070Ti

At similar prices the Nvidia counterpart remain the best pick though

And don't consider the 5070 at all if you wish to keep that gpu for a while. 12GB of vram will not be confortable in a couple of years when the next gen consoles arrive

[wise elbow]

🤷‍♂️buy whatevers in budget

9070xt is really nice if you get it for cheaper than 5070ti

nvidia also tends to have better software support due to cuda, though I don't think that really applies with ue

[upper ermine]

Thanks for the responses! Yeah was looking at 4070s as well but again, 12gb just isn't a big enough improvement for the price 😅 And looks like I can claim a decent portion of the cost on tax so price isn't the biggest concern, more stability 🙂 (though more vram for less money certainly isn't bad aha)

[orchid iron]

just letting you know, there are rummors of AMD launching higher clocked GPUs with more VRAM and using GDDR7 end of this year, around when nvidia is launching their "Super" cards

For game development VRAM is very important, and I would not get anything below 16gb of vram, 8 is already obsolete for many things, 12 is starting to reach its limit aswell

[median marsh]

i would also NOT buy a 12GB card right now, there's enough good options with 16GB+

would probably even favor a 7900XT(X) over a 9070 if AMD is your choice

[upper ermine]

I've heard about that, a little concerned how much they'll cost, but you're right, it might be worth trying to hold out and see what happens

[somber surge]

Bad pick honestly, more vram is always good, but 16GB is plenty already and you sacrifice a lot by going with the 7900XTX

[median marsh]

like?

[somber surge]

I would definitely wait if you can. Nvidia will probably correct their dumb lineup with the Super as they always do

[upper ermine]

FSR4 and some power efficiency, what else? 😮

[somber surge]

FSR 4, Power, RT Performances

And futur proofing

[upper ermine]

Oh yeah RT is a good point

[median marsh]

all of it rather not so important for dev work, while you cant have enough vram in my experience

[somber surge]

All the AI tech AMD is going to launch at the end of the year

Especially their "Ray Regeneration" stuff, gonna be pretty crucial for RT going forward

Ray Reconstruction for Nvidia is really transformative

[somber surge]

As said, 16GB is already plenty of vram, and going with the 9070XT at least you don't loose on everything else just for those GB of vram

I mean yeah sure more vram is always better, but they don't seem to be willing to give us that unless you can spend >3K$ :p

[median marsh]

7900XTX is <$1000 for 24GB

[somber surge]

To be honest, that's more expensive than a 5070Ti. Even for the additional VRAM I would not pay more for a far weaker gpu when 16GB can be enough in most instances

[median marsh]

that's fine, but with 12GB i'm tired of restarting the editor several times a day because UE keeps everything in VRAM

16GB would make a small difference only, while 24GB is another number...

[somber surge]

12GB is definitely weak for many use cases today

16GB is perfectly fine

[median marsh]

that really depends on the project you work on

i can't even look at my full map in editor because of vram limitations

[somber surge]

In the end that's up to him to decide

If he can wait it's probably best to

[median marsh]

it's always best to wait

i think right now is a good point in time to buy a GPU if at all

nvidia prices come to MSRP and even below, and AMD offers good competition in the 5060/5070 range

who knows how prices are end of year with that market...

[orchid iron]

The 50 series already stopped production, so AMD might be the only option xD

[somber surge]

I highly doubt that

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-4723491180103301225

[upper ermine]

I've also heard this - but I imagine it will just be to free up fab space for the supers, doubt they've abandoned the whole generation, just that no one is buying them so it's already time for new cards xD

I didn't mean to start a war about VRAM, but thankyou to everyone for your input, this input is what i'm looking for when purchasing something that should hopefully last years, I know GPUs but don't really know how they interact with UE, so there has been some great takeaways from both sides, again thankyou all 🙂

[orchid iron]

Yes, I also hope Nvidia is a nice company and they would never intentionally interrupt production of low margin cards compared to their AI products
Thankfully Nvidia is kind hearted and would only stop production so that more upcoming consumer products with very competitive pricing get made :D

[agile lodge]

new hardare ROG Xbox Ally/AllyX

https://www.theverge.com/news/682009/microsoft-asus-rog-xbox-ally-devices-new-windows-xbox-experience

[orchid iron]

comment:

Microsft:" We announce the new console!"
People:"SILKSONG!!"

[wise elbow]

I think Ray reconstruction is the only Nvidia tech I've been disappointed with

it looks genuinely awful in motion

[somber surge]

Nice Nvidia-like move there, the Z2A there is basically a scam.

Who would have thought those companies would act basically the same when they are in a monopoly

[mental timber]

The Z2A might be the budget option for the xbox handheld

[somber surge]

That's still basically a scam unless it's like half the price, which I doubt. Even then it should have a different name entirely

That Z2A is far weaker than the Z1/Z1 Extreme, it's basically a Steam Deck chip (which is not really that great especially if you remove all the SteamOS optimizations)

While the Z2 Extreme looks really really solid, it's basically an old gen vs next gen chip at this point

4 cpu cores is ridiculous and will be very limiting for most games, especially Zen 2 cores that don't really have stellar single core performances

[mental timber]

How many cores does the Steam deck have btw?

[somber surge]

That same 4 cores, and it struggles

[mental timber]

Got it.

[somber surge]

Even though SteamOS is very performant

Far more performant than any Windows machine is

[wise elbow]

holy shit it isn't even comparable lol

[strange mountain]

Nvidia is the one with the monopoly, AMD barely matters.
Which makes it hard to understand why they keep screwing customers as if they had the market locked down.

[median marsh]

damn

source: https://pcviewed.com/nvidia-vs-amd-discrete-gpu-market-share/

[orchid iron]

Nvidia reached 92% this quarter

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prDbUEXNWnU#

Just remember, that most people buying pre-builts, have no idea what their GPU is or what specs it has

We would still have quad cores in pre-builts if AMD didn't make ryzen

(actually we still do, I've seen budget super market PCs have dual cores)

[somber surge]

Nvidia has a monopoly on DGpus, but AMD has a monopoly on consoles and portable devices like the Steam Deck, Ally, etc (exception being the Switch 2 and that single Intel console they made with MSI)

And near monopoly on desktop CPUs as well

[orchid iron]

More like Duopoly, market share is still around 50/50, and if Nova lake is a success, people will probably forget about 13th and 14th gen

Published by
Thomas Alsop
,
Nov 1, 2024

In the third quarter of 2024, roughly 62 percent of x86 computer processor or CPU tests recorded were from Intel processors, while 35.5 percent were AMD processors. When looking solely at laptop CPUs, Intel is the clear winner, accounting for nearly 72 percent of laptop CPU test benchmark results in the third quarter of 2024.

(nvm, intel is still in major position)

[somber surge]

This is telling me a very different story. Those stats from benchmarks don't mean much, it's like the steam survey, you can't draw conclusions with that low sample

Whereas you look at any seller stats, it's usually a vast majority of AMD + some cheap Intel

[orchid iron]

The thing is, just because AMD is outselling intel currently, we are only in a specific time range, the roles were reversed for far too long in the past

[somber surge]

You can look also at this from the OEM pov: they are very slow to shift, and even there AMD has a lot of systems, a lot more than a couple of years ago

[somber surge]

Who cares about 5 years old cpus, they aren't making money 🤣

[orchid iron]

Yet those are what make up a lot of market share

[somber surge]

Well, for AMD they are making money actually

[orchid iron]

Funny enough, they are still making am4 CPUs because a lot of servers still buy their zen2 and zen3 products because of cheaper ram, Mobo etc in those générations

[somber surge]

https://youtu.be/CD3CAPErRa4

[wise elbow]

beating a dead horse at this point

[tough owl]

shitting on nvidia is so last week, discord monetization is the new hot topic for this week

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/649PCPzqnBo?si=yqC2pRpRgdOZdBFL

[orchid iron]

I wanna see GN's disappointment T-shirt of 2025 so bad

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAmu_HnQAo8

[wise elbow]

it'll have to be one of those extra long metal band tshirts

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBFG047ps4

[grave sundial]

Superior version.

I mean... uh... worse-er.

A computer that celebrates plastic.

Notice the high performance specs that addict its user, never permitting them to leave their table.

||It could also be a cigarettes 🚬 ||

[mighty patrol]

That's just dirty tbh

Both of those lol

[orchid iron]

Yes, I think it is those

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jzwZa3cphFk?si=5qeTxfyIKJwpQgAH

[orchid iron]

https://videocardz.com/newz/samsung-gddr7-3gb-modules-now-available-for-diy-purchase-in-china-rtx-5090-48gb-mods-incoming

[median marsh]

so we can have a 5060TI with 24GB memory for $80 + labor!? :>

[orchid iron]

And custom drivers

But yes, it is possible

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFQL3t5rmQ

Big mind blown

[wise elbow]

who could have possibly guessed that interrupting an ideal flow path would reduce airflow???

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC8qfXxAhAw

Don't install Asus DriverHub app on the motherboard bios

[orchid iron]

gamer nexus in his rant about mother boards 2 years ago predicted this

"most unhinged motherboard rant" I think it was called

[mighty patrol]

Lol

[orchid iron]

I was checking when 4gb GDDR7 would be released, then I found this article that says with gddr7, the capacity can go up to 8gb per chips

Which is nice since that 5060 ti 16gb could go to 64gb

But also this graph made me realise...future 60 class model will likely still have 128-bit bus

I don't want to imagine a future where budget cards have as much Vram as my 7900 xtx, yet still have a 128 bit bus

[mighty patrol]

What about a future when no more gpus are made

[orchid iron]

Integrated graphics aren't that bad xD

[somber surge]

Not a big deal since GDDR7 is very fast. The bandwidth is very sufficient for the power level of the gpu, though you can dream about those getting anything more than 3GB chips in the near future, higher density chips cost a lot more and Nvidia want both their obscene margins on low end products AND use those chips on their AI Cards

It would already be a miracle if they start using 3GB chips with the upcoming Super refresh

Though I would not bet on those 4GB/8GB GDDR7 chips becoming a reality (or at least not for consumer gpus), GDDR6 was also supposed to have 3/4GB densities but they never got released

[orchid iron]

AIBs already leaked some capacities on accident xD

[orchid iron]

Interesting, so perhaps we'll have to wait GDDR8

[somber surge]

Only the 5080 24GB leaked iirc, though that's not surprising for a 5080Ti/5080 Super

[orchid iron]

By the time 60 class GPUs get a small 24gb, their high end AI GPUs will already have almost a Terrabyte of VRAM

[orchid iron]

Just the fact it has 24gb makes them very likely to have 3gb chips

[somber surge]

Oh no you're wrong, their AI GPUs will get a TB of vram and the 60 class GPUs will still be stuck at 8GB

🤣

[somber surge]

Yeah very likely, I doubt they want to waste a bunch of 5090 silicon to make a cutdown version of it for the 5080Ti

Though the 3GB chips on a 1.2-1.5K gpu is much more realistic than on a 300$ gpu (not that they couldn't, just that they wouldn't)

[orchid iron]

Depends how cheap 3gb chips get

[somber surge]

Not cheap for a while

It is very supply constraint and they use a ton of those on their AI gpus

[orchid iron]

We'll have 8gb for at least 10 years anyways xD

[somber surge]

32 chips per RTX Pro gpu 🤣

You think they will give you 4 of those poor chips on a gpu that probably has less than a 100% margin?

[orchid iron]

32x8gb that's 265gb

Yeah, we need those 64gb ram chips ASAP

[fallen oasis]

Really? 🙂

[somber surge]

Watch them having those 8GB GDDR7 chips and putting a single one with a 32 bits bus on the 6060

[orchid iron]

Right, I forgot to use AI generated RAM, it is actually over 2 pentabytes, my bad

[somber surge]

VRAM is just an AI hallucination, you don't need VRAM

[fallen oasis]

That must be where the extra 1gb comes from. AI!

[orchid iron]

All you need is a single motherboard

[somber surge]

Feels like Apple saying that their 8GB of ram is equivalent to 32GB on Windows

😂

Spoiler alert: it's not

[orchid iron]

Oh no, you are right

[somber surge]

Soon Nvidia: "With DLSS 5 Ultra Plus Max your 6060 2GB will feel just like a 5090 32GB!"

[mighty patrol]

256?

[orchid iron]

Btw, did you hear the rumours of the upcoming 6000 series being AI generated, so for only 349.99$ a month, you can have 5090 performance, in the cloud

[orchid iron]

I AI generated the extra GB

Don't mind it

[somber surge]

It would not surprise me at all that they stop bothering launching those gpus and just pivot entirely on Geforce Now 🤣

Gaming is like 5% of their revenues anyway

[orchid iron]

For only 399.99$ you can have 5090 Ti super performance...on your mobile phone

(per month)

[somber surge]

(per session)

[orchid iron]

Per second

[median marsh]

for a month, until the new customer discount voids

then it's twice the price, but since it's more you save more

[wise elbow]

it would be pretty cool if dlss didn't use vram

but at it stands it can't be used as a crutch with really low memory

[orchid iron]

The more you buy, the more you save

[somber surge]

AI models are very VRAM hungry

DLSS 4 is double the VRAM footprint of DLSS 3

And that's just Super Resolution, Frame Generation is even more vram-hungry

[orchid iron]

Just AI generate VRAM, smh

[verbal imp]

Hi I have a question. Im making an open world game, it's really big its probably gonna be filled up with a lot of content, i havent implemented world partition because Im really pessimistic as to how effective it can be in improving the RAM performance significantly. These are my specs here

I recently ordered a 32 GB RAM, which Im now "wearing"

I got it 5 days ago, I still have time to return it. The online store's policy was kinda vague

new motherboards with 4 DDR4 slots costs from 400 euro to >2.000++ euro. So it's not that cheap at all

I just ordered this and Im kind of pessimistic as to how it can work long-term for example, I just put my pc on sleep when I go to sleep, I dont shut it down, but when my pc hasn't been shut down and restarted and its just been asleep

I can see the ram overloading up to almost maximum capacity which is very sad

The problem is 64GB is gonna be a little bit overkill & 32GB sometimes can be a bit limiting

all the kind of things that I do with my pc I notice that are always RAM heavy, never have I ever had any problems with CPU or GPU going over a specific amount. Im okay with Unreal loading times, it's not that significant at all

my question is should I return it for a higher RAM? That will mean that for a few weeks I might have to settle for working with my old 8GB ram...

also is 32 gonna be future proof?

[wise elbow]

I would honestly use at least 64 for unreal

though with your CPU it might not matter

[orchid iron]

How tf 400 euros for just 4 slots??
I got a high end motherboard for 250 euros, where are you even buying the parts from?

And which country do you live in

[orchid iron]

Also, open world is a bit vague, do you plan to have very high poly meshes, or go for a cartoony style like genshin impact ?
Ray tracing or just bare minimum lighting?
How intense would the effects be?
Does the open world have a tone of NPCs or would there only be like 10-20 NPCs / enemies at a time on screen?
Etc

[orchid iron]

Depends what do you what to do again

[wise elbow]

tbh I wouldn't recommend less than 32 now. 16 is barely enough for games

64 ideal if you do any development at all

[verbal imp]

I never had problems with CPU

only ram reaches 100% and then crashes

[verbal imp]

a bit in between

[verbal imp]

minimum lighting

depends on what you mean by "effects", are you refering to niagara particle effects?

[verbal imp]

depends on the player, its basically 3d minecraft, if the player wants to have multiple NPCs then he will create them.

[verbal imp]

still I never considered paying that much for a motherboard in the first place

my motherboard is a very old one, MSI gaming pro 350M, I might need some time to upgrade it, but anyways say even if I do upgrade it to a motherboard with 4 slots. It's still gonna need to have compatible ram, like 16 x 16 x 16 x 16 of the same brand TC-Create brand

oh wait, I just realized that I said is stupid lol.

16x4 is 64 anyways

but anyway I think quad channel motherboards are overly expensive, perhaps because they're too expensive to manufacture, and much more rare than dual channels, so I think it might be worth it to pay double the ram to get 64 (double of what I have right now) to get more ram than to pay a crazy amount for a motherboard just to increase the number of slots for a stupid mistake i made

but I dont know much about hardware, im not a hardware expert

but my motherboard is also kinda old, this is I think 1-2 years ago before I was about to undust it. Also here it's "wearing" the old ripjaws ram

I opened it up like this, it was really dusty, so I took it outside and I used a hairdryer on max intensity and cold air to blow it out.

but it's still kinda dirty at the moment cause I think it might be almost a 8-10 year old computer or more im not sure

This pc was actually given to me by my brother for free, I didn't buy it, If I had to buy a computer I'd probably be buying a better one

[wise elbow]

confused

you don't need a quad channel Mobo and cpu to have 4 sticks of memory

most motherboards are dual channel with 4 memory slots

they aren't that much more expensive. like literally a few dollars more

[orchid iron]

@verbal imp what you could do is, return the ones you have, buy 2 sticks that have a total of 64gb of ram, that way you don't have to spend money on an older am4 platform which you can't use for the latest CPUs at all

again, in which country are you? There are perhaps better prices on other online stores

also, even if you get a new pc, it'll also get dusty with time, learn some pc maintenance please, felt so bad seeing this pc in need of help, did you even swap the thermal paste?

[orchid iron]

yeah, I think he means just 4 slots, but he might get ripped off because mobos shouldn't be that expensive xD

[wise elbow]

it's an ryzen3, not like it matters

[verbal imp]

I thought "quad channel" refered to the memory slots, misunderstanding, Ill look again

[wise elbow]

nope

you need to get a thread ripper or server CPU for quad channel

Ryzen and intel 'core" are dual channel

[verbal imp]

greece

[wise elbow]

b650 chipset for example

motherboard

AM5, dual channel, 4 memory slots

[verbal imp]

ryzen and intel core? these are not motherboards though

does ryzen and intel make motherboards?

[verbal imp]

Yeah this is why it was confusing when I saw these filters here

Ok I see, perhaps to find the number of slots I have to actually go look inside of each motherboard, looks like there's no filter for that.

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, you actually checked quad channel instead of looking for quad slots xD

[wise elbow]

dual and quad channel is determined by the CPU

[orchid iron]

these quad channels have up to 8 slots xD

[wise elbow]

there are no quad channel Ryzen or cores

[orchid iron]

ye

[verbal imp]

Ok I see, If I were to buy a new mb, I'd get this one cause I really dont find a point in paying more for a mb 🤣

no matter how sexy it looks, I dont think it makes a big difference

[orchid iron]

yeah, I just put in cart first thing that popped up with 4 slots

[orchid iron]

the one you have in screenshot only has 2 slots tho?

[verbal imp]

but it says 4 DDR4 ram slots

[orchid iron]

check other pictures

they are more likely to mess up written description than images

[verbal imp]

oh you're right

[orchid iron]

I looked online the name of mobo, the makers of it have 2 slots in the spec sheet

that was a close dodged bullet xD

[wise elbow]

...i wouldn't waste money on a new board

you have an old am4 Ryzen 3...

[verbal imp]

yes, what about it? I only have problems with ram capacity

[orchid iron]

it's fine for the type of project you described, as long as the meshes you use don't have high amount of poly count and high resolution textures

But I would still recommend buying a kit of 2x32gb, since if you just want to upgrade ram again in the future, you would only need a new mobo with 4 slots and an extra 2x32gb for a total of 4x32gb

[verbal imp]

wait, 4x32GB? that's really overkill, isn't it?

rn I have 32GB and its mostly fine but I see it sometimes climbint to almost 80% and very rarely sometimes a scary 90% or so

especially if I put my computer to sleep mode overnight rather than complete shut down

[orchid iron]

that called future proofing

but right now I'm guessing it is cheaper to buy a 2x32gb kit over new mobo and a 2x16gb kit (also you get worse ram performance from running 4 ram sticks in dual channel)

[wise elbow]

not really a thing with ddr4.

[orchid iron]

oh the performance penalty isn't present?

[verbal imp]

well nothing is rly cheaper rn, time value of money also has a cost, I will provide some photos and then they decide if they give me my money back, or when etc. if I return this ram im having rn its up to them to decide if its worth the full amount to give me back or how soon they should return it, it might take a month for me to finally get a new ram back, I'll have to resort back to 8gb for a month, it wont be pretty because i'll be getting crashes like everyday but its okay, im kinda used to it anyways, although at the moment my work is mostly around blueprint and not really level designing, level designing tends to be more a lot more RAM intensive especially if I need to research something new, also multitasking and researching things that I dont know on youtube tends to leave me with a lot of tabs open, thats what i gotta do, looking up documentation pages, searching on unreal engine epic forums for answers sometimes and googling, chatgpting etc, so a lot of tabs, music, tabs to listen to something on ytb or watch a movie on the second screen while doing work whatever, my question was more so about optimizing productivity etc.... also sometimes when I share my screen with people we work together that also tends to eat up a lot of memory, discord sometimes eats up a few chunks too, usually I always keep sharing my screen with friends while doing, like everyday Im hanging out in some discord and people look at my screen.. I like that because it helps me be more accountable and stay focused rather than lose focus on something and switch another tab open to procrastinate on my actual work project

[wise elbow]

theres only a performance penalty if you have to lower clock speeds or increase latency. the clock speeds on ddr4 was low enough that 4x kits didnt really have any issues hitting their targets

[orchid iron]

ah gotcha

[orchid iron]

"time value of money also has a cost" so work in a job?

[verbal imp]

I'll probably start doing that soon too. Waiting for someone to call me back... I didn't search for a job for a long time because I wanted to work on my project and kept most of my money invested.

In general I dont spend much, I try to invest, and spend only when I have to, or only when I have good information about the kinds of things that Im buying, aka when I know for sure that they will really help me make more money in the future, then I know I have to spend them to earn them.

[orchid iron]

if you want to learn and get good in unreal engine, you already have the hardware, I'm currently using way worse stuff than you hardware wise xD

And with the time you invest into learning unreal engine, work a job too, so that you can afford a computer that'll allow you to fully use the skills you learned

[verbal imp]

I can afford a computer, but even if I start earning more money, I'll probably invest them too and I'll never use the returns either, I'll just re-invest them back into stocks, etfs, and p2p business loans.

[verbal imp]

ok thank you that's actually very inspiring, I didn't know, I believed I had the worse computer on this server 😂

[orchid iron]

nah man, that title belongs to me

been using unreal for 2 years xD

[verbal imp]

After doing some research from watching Chris Zukowski's videos on steam data analysis I tried to find what's the most in-demand genre, the best genres were those with really complex & deep mechanisms, so people love it when a game has toooooooons of lines of code behind it, I don't believe it's about graphics, I think most people overemphasize too much into graphics, tho I do agree and believe they are important, the people that look into the steam database say it's not graphics, it's complexity of mechanisms that users love. So that's what I tried to do and go for with this game. When I had an 8GB ram my ram wouldn't handle the size of this map. It's an open world survival crafting sandbox game. I ended up sculpting it because the one I had before I thought was kinda unstable and buggy, was made using a voronoise noise landscape brush material, I dont have a story yet for my game or a menu, or a character mesh or anything, because I focused most on the gameplay, crafting menus, NPC's interactions, state trees, resources, swimming, RPG elements like stats etc etc, building system, etc etc, so the game has a lot of stats, and a lot of complex code, you collect stuff aka raw materials into your inventory and then you create more and more and more complex things out of them, it's kinda like the game stranded deep. You can cook, farm, plant, kill, you get will chased by bigger wilder animal npcs etc etc. I haven't filled up most of the map with anything altough Im thinking about doing multiple and diverse regions in terms of climate and geomorphology, like Im thinking of adding a dry desert region, a region where it's all about mountains & maybe snow etc etc. So far I've been dealing with endless bugs because my base set up for my uis and crafting systems have been set up in a really weird way

when I started my game I didn't know anything about anything, so sometimes it feels like building a skyscrapper building but the bases are built with duck-tape and paperstraw

but I improve as I go along the way.

[verbal imp]

Im also 1 year into it (almost) tried out different things, I think my weak point would probably be level-designing, I thought I wouldnt need much level design skills if I keep it more about what you craft and what you create through your own creativity rather than story and environment art and things like this

I consider programming a superior form of art xD

[verbal imp]

thats impressive tho how you can still know so much about hardware when you have the worst hardware but the best knowledge about hardware

[orchid iron]

I spent a year doing hardware research while saving up money to buy my computer

[orchid iron]

same, been doing programming for the 2 years xD
Only recently I'm learning about 3d modelling, animation etc
Let me tell you, Linux is way more efficient with its resource usage, allowed me to do a tone with the 16gb I got for 10 years (I'm on laptop, this is the highest amount of ddr3 ram I can use)

[verbal imp]

thats pretty good and respectable, keep it going

[verbal imp]

I delved into that a little bit too a while ago to animate some of my NPCs, but still need to learn more about state-trees even after reading all the documentation of it I still struggle to make even slightly complex functions

most of the animations in free NPC packs I found were already there

I dont know if its windows fault but brave browser seems to be even more intensive than unreal engine itself, which is kinda sad

[orchid iron]

seems about right, brave is chromium under the hood

[verbal imp]

and microsoft edge isnt even open at the moment yet its still floating there

[orchid iron]

edge is also chromium under the hood

this is why I went to Linux, with 16gb windows is just not an option for the stuff I do

[verbal imp]

btw if you ask me why im not working in a regular job is because my first job was really stressful and I had to take a break, I did my apprenticeship in a government district and to say that my 2 coworkers were abusive would be an understatement, so I wanted to take a break

[orchid iron]

completely understandable, nothing wrong with you taking a break, focus on your well being or your body's debt will be very high when you grow older

[ashen stream]

how many addons do you have running?

[verbal imp]

i'll thankfully will never return there but It was really bad, that apprenticeship was below minimum wage and terrible all things considered

[verbal imp]

yep

[verbal imp]

none

[verbal imp]

if you're talking about startup addons, none is the answer except for this memory reduction one

[ashen stream]

Try setting the affinity to use only 4 cores

[wise elbow]

graphics are 100% important. you don't need mind-blowing AAAA quality assets, but they need to convey the right message and make sense

[verbal imp]

true, its good to have when you can have it but I dont know if its one of the most important things

[orchid iron]

meanwhile schedule 1 being one of top sales on steam

and a tone of most active players on steam games are on games that are over 10 years old

[grave sundial]

PSA: Don't buy those drugs. 😛

[orchid iron]

yeah, dude pissed in them and it is hilarious

[nova moss]

i think i saw people play on twitch stream before, i read somewhere it was made by just 1 person

[mighty patrol]

In unity

[nova moss]

people thinking it was really drug life and enjoy it 🤣

[mighty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/schedule-i-schedule-schedule-1-schedul-og-crack-gif-14955217958615575179

Has some fun effects

[orchid iron]

It was mostly done by one person, like 95% one guy, but there was extra stuff that he gave credit for, forgot what though

[mighty patrol]

Sound engineer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFvqqRm204

[orchid iron]

I have no doubt in my mind that a 16P core and 32 E core CPU will at most consume 150W

[orchid iron]

(screenshot from this video)

[fallen oasis]

Core blimey, guv'nor!

[tough owl]

and you just know they will try to shove those 150W cpus into laptops

[somber surge]

If that's the TDP, then it's probably more like 300W of actual power consumption like always with Intel

Though if that's their new A18 node, maybe it won't be that bad, but I doubt it will be less than 200W during an all core workload

[orchid iron]

And 450W on Asus motherboards xD

[somber surge]

Gonna do some great Cinebench scores with those 32 Cinebench Accelerator-Cores, let's see if this time they manage to make them actually useful for most use cases 😅

[delicate crystal]

So finally nailed down the replacement system. Have to buy a few parts elsewhere due to my preferred supplier not having the memory or video card (7900 xtx's are hard to find?). Anyways wondered what folks thought? Will be trying linux on this as windows 11 really doesn't appeal ot me, so if you see something that's a red flag on linux, or any other feedback, please fire away

CPU AMD Ryzen 9 9950X 4.3 GHz 16-Core Processor $738.98
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler $137.50
Motherboard Asus ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard $689.99
Memory Corsair Vengeance 128 GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL40 Memory $713.99
Storage Western Digital WD_Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $377.96
Storage Western Digital WD_Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $377.96
Video Card XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card $1199.00
Case Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case $199.99
Power Supply Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $269.99

it's in CAD in case your'e wondering why it seems expensive

[orchid iron]

Do you really need a pro art Mobo? Those feel needlessly expensive, you can easily tell if the Mobo prices is over half of the CPU price

Also is the Noctua cooler G2 or normal? Because the G2 is noticeably better...but also a high end thermal right cooler is like less than 50$ USD and will be enough for the 9950x to avoid throttling

[ashen stream]

I guess if you don't see the value in support for multiple 8K or 4K displays, Wi-Fi 7 and dual Ethernet ports and PCIe 5, it's over priced.

[orchid iron]

Cough cough x870e taichi

[delicate crystal]

i'm open to options. If I recall right it had 10gb LAN which is one thing that I'd like, plus what @ashen stream mentioned. The Noctua cooler is normal, will look up the specs for G2

[orchid iron]

The normal came 8 years before the G2
Pretty long development time xD

[orchid iron]

Ah, the 10gb LAN is what's rare and only on expensive mobos

[delicate crystal]

i mean I could probably gear it down to 5gb. it'd be connecting to a NAS that i have

[orchid iron]

Lmao, I quickly check gigabyte and I see a motherboard isn't like the others xD

[orchid iron]

Depends how much you value it, if it is worth the extra few hundred CAD

[delicate crystal]

eh it's more the frustration. If 5GB will handle 4k textures and what not without acting like it's lagging hard then it's not a big deal

[wise elbow]

any reason you're going for a 7900xtx?

[delicate crystal]

NOt a big fan of nvidia. And I originally was going to do a 16gb (i forget the chipset....7800, 77?), but the 7900 xtx was 300 more so figured why not

[wise elbow]

amd released a new card, the 9070xt. It might be a lot cheaper

[delicate crystal]

would explain why it's on sale

[orchid iron]

9070xt beating 7900xtx in some workloads (especially in ray tracing and AI) even though it only has 16gb Vs 24gb
Although once the 32gb gddr7 version of the 9070xt comes out end of this year, the story will be very different

[orchid iron]

7800xt has 16gb
7700xt has 12gb

7900xt has 20gb

That intel B60 though...HMMM

[delicate crystal]

that does contradict the advice I got that vram is king. Roughly the same price as the one i'm looking at, some are lower

[orchid iron]

Depends on the workload, if yours doesn't exceed 16gb then 9070xt will probably roll or tie the 7900xtx, but if it does, then it is clear win for 7900xtx

[delicate crystal]

makes sense. Right now don't really know what the workload is, the plan was to make game assets, get a feel for things, go from there. Wanted to get into detailed ones so there's that

[orchid iron]

If you wanna go balls deep into quality, wait a few months for either the Nvidia super cards or the AMD variant that will go against them (which will go up to 32gn of gddr7 according to rumors)

Hard to say but, you've already waited this long, you can wait a few months longer
Plus it would feel bad if the GPU you buy would get destroyed in workloads against the upcoming ones

[delicate crystal]

very true. I am picturing that the new versions you mentioned are going to be stupid expensive, but it would knock the price down for everything else

and not like i'm goign to be using this a lot during the summer

[orchid iron]

Prices for Nvidia cards used to be quite dumb until they released their Super variants
And once GDDR7 version of AMD GPUs will be out, vendors will want to get rid of GDDR6 version faster

[delicate crystal]

happen to know what the release date of that would be?

[orchid iron]

Q4 2025 is the only thing we got

[delicate crystal]

so about 3.5 months

wonder if other parts could drop by then

[orchid iron]

I'm personally looking forward to the zen5 APU for desktop, a friend of fine wanted to build a pc this Christmas, and having choice between 9060xt 16gb or a 9700G is quite solid and would make build cost more acceptable

(naturally the 9060xt is way better than integrated graphics, but if his budget is only about 750€, then perhaps using integrated until he can save up for a dedicated graphics card next year might be worth considering)

[delicate crystal]

makes sense. I've been trying to get mine under 4k, but it's looking like something that I don't need to upgrade for another 5-6 years is going to be in the 4-5k CAD area

like the sepc that I pasted is around 4kish

[orchid iron]

Btw, zen6 desktop will have 24 full cores (12 core CCD ) and zen7 (very likely on am6) is extremely likely to have 32 full cores (16 core CCD ), however it seems like still use the 3d v-cache, unlike which in servers will be replaced by having 3d cores

[delicate crystal]

so a) how long of a wait, b) how do they compare to zen5, and c) what does a 3d v-cache give? That last one I can't find anything (not that I have good sources anymore)

[ashen stream]

Indeed, the longer you wait the more thing likely to come out. The key is to get yourself something that will be fairly future proof and can be expanded if needed if fitting your choices.

https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040

Is one of the cooler ways/methods available to do a setup at the moment if you're mobile, that remind me of how we did old school desktops back in the day.

You usually can't go very wrong if you get something with the max ram capable at the current time for any type of system. As that's usually the one thing you can't exceed beyond the motherboard capabilities.

[delicate crystal]

true. keep getting told that the max board amount is 256, while the chips in zen5 are limited to 192

[wise elbow]

you'll rarely exceed 16gb

the only card with an appropriately high amount of vram compared to its power is the 4090 and 5090

I'm not sure what you would ever do with a 7900xt or xtx that actually uses all it's memory without being horrifically underpowered

[wise elbow]

as always, if you want a new PC now, buy now. if you don't, buy one when you want one

waiting for new parts releasing is an infinite state

yeah marginally better things are always a year away lol

[wise elbow]

that's an absurd amount of vram for a card of this power

[ashen stream]

Incorrect.

Da vinci resolve or Premier Pro often reach their limits.

Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Elden Ring, all push it to near max usage as well.

[orchid iron]

depends on your workload

[ashen stream]

You can see comparisons 32gb to 16gb and it's night and day.

[ashen stream]

Exactly, VM's are another reason for buku ram

Which are way more common now to do

[wise elbow]

at that point just buy a 5090 if you use your PC for things other than gaming

[ashen stream]

Pretty sure he does, as I do.

I do gaming, art, rendering, and more.

Including data sets and processing for MRI scans

I need all the ram I can get and more.

[orchid iron]

a) how long of a wait,
one year for zen6, amd did say they support am5 until 2027
probably 2 years after zen6 for zen7 (since am6)
b) how do they compare to zen5
Better memory controller (which is from zen4), uses N2X which is bleeding edge node, the 24 cores have no regressions
for zen7, also uses bleeding edge 1.4 nm, likely going to use ddr6, gonna be nice with those 32 cores

c) what does a 3d v-cache give? same V-cache system as zen5, I'm talking about 3D v-cores, which have their own dedicated big L3 for themselfs, it is supposed to be placed below each core and have very low latency and betetr performance compared to previous L3, although isn't planned for zen6 or zen7, just a server thing for now

[orchid iron]

great idea, let's see 5090 prices...Oh wait, okay let's see 7900 xtx and 9070 xt price xD

[delicate crystal]

that does sound good, but the wait time is too long for my needs. A few months I can do. A year is out

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, I agree, Nova lake is also A year away, so cpu wise, current cpu leaders will stay in top spots

[delicate crystal]

ya it sounds like it might be good to wait until q4, see how the card markets shakes out, hope some tarriff happy people don't get any bright ideas, and run with the rest of what'ss on that list. Wish there was an easy way to find out if linux supported them all but 🤷‍♂️

[orchid iron]

tarrifs will likely be over by Q4 and market will have stabilised

[shrewd pecan]

In the market for a new laptop or mini pc for development on the go.

Anyone use the Apple ecosystem? Has it improved as epic says it has?

[mighty patrol]

Latest apple run good so I've heard. Not sure on unreal itself but other tasks.

Maybe #macos users have specific examples.

[delicate crystal]

i use it for my work system. I don't use unreal on it, but for development i'll tkae it over windows anyday

[orchid iron]

Better than windows mini PCs in price to performance, and will force you into Apple ecosystem with no way (or very hard) to change your operating system

[ashen stream]

I wish I had your optimism about 2025 or even 2026

[shrewd pecan]

What ide do you use? XCode? VS for Mac?

[delicate crystal]

VSCode

[orchid iron]

Chad right there

[delicate crystal]

I actually prefer tge stuff made by jetbrains, but work is cheap so vscode is good enough

[orchid iron]

same

[orchid iron]

Wait, didnt trump and china agree on 30% imports from china and 10% imports from US ?

[delicate crystal]

who knows anymore

[grave sundial]

Their agreements are just words. So, to keep it short, no.

😅

[grave sundial]

No one. Not even those negotiating. 🤣

We might as well haggle the tariffs with every GPU seller personally. 😄

[wise elbow]

changes daily. and it isn't a flat rate on goods

[ashen stream]

I can't remember what the acronym is but it's t a c o for Trump about being like basically wishy washy flippity floppity on the stuff he does so I think pretty much anyone's guess is good if tariffs will continue or not I don't think anyone knows except him the psycho

[mighty patrol]

Trump always chickens out.

[grave sundial]

I will buy your RTX 7099 for $10. Let's discount $999 in tariffs. What say thou?

[delicate crystal]

probably get more done, since at least we'd know what we want

wish they'd just import parts by avoiding the US entirely (for those of us not in the US.) So much easier

[orchid iron]

Fun fact, back when tariffs where very high on specific goods, they used to be imported from Canada or Mexico

[orchid iron]

Ayyy, sounds good to me

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTiECufO1s

[ashen stream]

I feel like since we're getting further into the billions of people on planet Earth. Maybe one or two people running an entire country shouldn't be able to control the fate of and influence the fates of everybody on planet Earth. Especially when that influence impedes the human race quite literally from advancing or progressing due to childish disputes.

There are a number of things that our president is doing right now illegally on the books without having to get into anything crazy, just talking about things like tariffs on hardware and disrupting commerce. (Darn voice to text)

But unless the people we elect are willing to do something out of the ordinary I guess, or like people in the past were willing to do, all we can really do is complain right?

I don't like it at all 🪿

[orchid iron]

oh don't worry, even though Trump says whatever, there are actual limits on what can be enforced, for example when he says a tariff number, it actually takes time before it gets applied, and even then the court might contest it
We don't see the legal processes that go in the background of things, likely because we don't care, why would we, we aren't lawyers

I do agree with you that it is frustrating to almost always be on the other end of what feels like a small group of men choose, but hey, you wouldn't want to manage the bureaucratic nightmare that is a government as so would I, but someone has do it

[ashen stream]

Lol true in many ways, but I'd be willing to try. I mean if a draft dodger can do it, I sure feel capable.

[orchid iron]

you could yeah, skill requirements aren't very high xD

[orchid iron]

I swear, if new Nvidia CPUs come soldered to the motherboard with soldered ram, for the sake of performance, imma be super salty

I would go buy a framework laptop motherboard with the ATX form factor instead of that nonsense

Oh right, I even remembered they are working on making their own RAM standard...so Nvidia ram cannot be used with other AMD or intel system unless they adopt it...which last time they made a standard worked well...for simple cables

[mighty patrol]

Gross

[orchid iron]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/nvidia-reportedly-developing-socamm-memory-standard

"Finer details about SOCAMM are still firmly shrouded in mystery, as Nvidia appears to be developing the standard without any input from the Joint Electron Device Engineering council (JEDEC)."

[delicate crystal]

OH good another wallgarden attempt. Thought he would have been alive in the 80's and early 90's to know how well that works.

[somber surge]

Oh they will

How else could they limit you to 8GB of ram otherwise?

And you can get 16GB or 32GB for just 999-1999$ more

8GB of ram + 8GB of vram, only 3999.99$

[fallen oasis]

What I'd expect of an iphone.

[orchid iron]

remember, 8 gb of ram is worth 16gb because we have enhanced prime AI max+ ram

[delicate crystal]

Aounds luke going back to the pre pc days

[ashen stream]

Remember turbo switches. Bring those back

[delicate crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XWTnALSfSY8

[orchid iron]

I saw some on laptops xD

Press it and fans go vmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[ashen stream]

That genuinely felt nostalgic

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=42BdEKmABCc#

Comments are peak manhood

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-says-zettascale-supercomputers-will-need-half-a-gigawatt-to-operate-enough-for-375-000-homes

[wise elbow]

basically a whole reactor lol

[mental timber]

Jesus fucking christ on a pogo stick

[ashen stream]

I seen that once

[orchid iron]

Just half a giga watt? So 500kw, dude that's what my neighbour scientist is cooking on right now

[mighty patrol]

Power an entire nation

Lol

[wise elbow]

(500MW)

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rzFKuRWktCo?si=6oCSGtfZ6uAFaMcu

[orchid iron]

Alright, I understand now, thank you

[delicate crystal]

oh phew. I was worried we wouldn't be barbrquing the planet fast enough

[delicate crystal]

Is there a reason to consider a 9070 vs a 7900 xtx? Found my current system is forcing me to upgrade sooner then expected

[median marsh]

FSR4 if you play games

for dev work, it's likely that the 7900XTX is the better choice because of the vram

[orchid iron]

what's the issue with your current system?

[delicate crystal]

Depending on what.ill be trying tonight, either an nvm, the raid co troller software, or the motherbroad poasibly

[orchid iron]

raid is way less reliable than motherboards xD

[delicate crystal]

The software ones defonitely. Im hoping its just the raid setup. Disable it and if it works wothout crashing would be nice

[wise elbow]

fsr3 is basically unusable imo

4 was a monumental upgrade

[delicate crystal]

So no.idea how they set up the raid 1.foe the os. Nothing in the bios. Not worried aboit that, more the raid one i habe for the sata drives that have my data on it thsta got me.concerned. cant evsn get into the os. Freezes when you even try to login

[orchid iron]

As long as you can access BIOS, it is very likely a raid issue

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hAc_6g7l2aM

Fascinating, so if you turn off ray tracing on RTX GPU, part of the GPU becomes completely idle thus useless

But if you turn off Ray tracing on AMD GPUs, not much changes

[mighty patrol]

But why would you want to disable RT

[orchid iron]

Because in both scenarios, RT is extremely demanding, and you'd generally would want to use it with DLSS or FSR 4
So low end GPUs benefit more from disabling RT...but then users would use even less of their already tiny GPU

Which makes sense why AMD can provide much better price to performance on low end compared to Nvidia, because using the same silicone space, users get more used from AMD than NVIDIA

[wise elbow]

amds rt performance is still a lot worse though which makes sense if the hardware isn't completely specialized

ive often wondered if it would make sense to remove rt entirely from a card and move it to a physx expansion card sorta thing so you can buy a graphics card as good as you want and then a rt card that's as good as you want

[orchid iron]

good question, would it be better to have an RT card seperate from the general GPU

[orchid iron]

I just learned that PS5 has liquid metal...looks like Sony didn't check what happens to liquid metal laptops overtime...

[violet spade]

Liquid metal where?

High-end GPUs also use Liquid Metal instead of thermal paste afaik

[somber surge]

Latency would kill any perf benefits from the separate gpu

[somber surge]

Though RT is becoming more and more mandatory, but those kind of "mandatory RT implementations" are usually fairly well optimized and light, even on AMD gpus

Like Indiana Jones or Star Wars Outlaws/Avatar Frontiers of Pandora

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV7Yl18BQLo

Finally

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvjw8B6rcg#

https://tenor.com/view/yes-guy-gif-19616555

GN bought the RTX 6000 from him...that is not a joke, it is reality

[orchid iron]

On the APU, but the difference is that generally GPUs are mounted horizontally, where as consoles look cooler when placed vertically, so yeah, failure rate go yeeet

[violet spade]

Gravity’s a bitch lol

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/d1RF1wssgyA?si=9fY6BvO8WbDXKc5b

[orchid iron]

so true

[wise elbow]

I think that's mostly because laptops get thrown around and abused

[orchid iron]

#StopLaptopAbuse

[mighty patrol]

Again and again, Asus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mKbH2-eLEg

Asus Router botnet 😂

[wise elbow]

tbf this is like, every router

[mighty patrol]

It's avoidable if they disable the remote access part and keep things local access not wide access.

Also ofc goes without saying keeping firmware updated.

[orchid iron]

nothing sounds more gamer than being part of a bot net

[mortal flame]

This might be a dumb question, but has anyone tried using Unreal on a Steam Deck? What's the experience like?

Or I guess is there an alternative to the Steam Deck which would be better for running the editor?

I'm going to be away from my desktop for at least a week and am kind of looking at potential cheapish priced portables which I could use to work on my project while away

[wise elbow]

i imagine it would be pretty terrible

[mortal flame]

To be fair the project I'm working on isn't demanding. It's an editor tool using geometry script and scriptable tools. Not anywhere near a full-on game

I could maybe even remote desktop using it, right? Not sure if that'd be any better

[wise elbow]

if you really want to work on the go just get a low end gaming laptop

with an i7 and 4060 or something

[orchid iron]

Someone here or in #linux tried it, and it was shit according to them, better get something with a dedicated GPU at least

"the only dumb questions are those who don't get asked"

[mortal flame]

I'm really just looking for something really cheap which can let me work while I'm away from home

[orchid iron]

Define cheap (the budget)

[mortal flame]

I don't have one. Just as cheap as possible which will let me get work done

[orchid iron]

Look on second hand websites and look for laptops with dedicated GPUs
Try to find a seller with high % of good reviews

If you find something within your budget, post it here

[wise elbow]

alternatively, take the week to decompress or learn

[mighty patrol]

Not worth it to dev on. Tried can vouch.

Still viable for testing for sure.

[mortal flame]

Why? Is the performance too bad? Or is it the small screen and the controls making it too difficult to use?

[mighty patrol]

Well I personally had the 1gb of vram version and it chugs when you pie.

Especially in ue 5

Like it's do-able you can make a game on steam deck for sure.

But it would be painful

Better off developing on desktop and porting to deck

It's super easy that way

[mortal flame]

Well I won't be using pie since I'm working on editor tools

[orchid iron]

that's why I'm reccomending used laptops with dedicated GPUs, since they'll be better than the steam deck in terms of compilation and graphical power

[mighty patrol]

If you can get an external gpu it may be fine

But i'd recommend something with 4gb+

8gb would be ideal

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/y2W_E0SwwBU?si=O_9FUjNfBebtXG9z

[mighty cosmos]

the incredibly difficult action of clicking 2 buttons, first to put the files on a usb and the second to click the "flash" button in the bios

[orchid iron]

yeah, never understood why people are scared of it

[median marsh]

because it used to be not so safe....

nowadays the flasher checks if the flash file is even for your hardware etc.

back then you could flash a jpg to your bios

[mighty patrol]

I remember when my psu was a hazard and almosy burnt down my house.

Ah the 90s

[median marsh]

reminds me of the Pentium D...iirc

where i thought 350W or smth PSU is fine until 2 of them blew up

The Pentium D 950 has a Thermal Design Power (TDP) of 130 Watts.
which was way more than the usual cpu back then

[mighty patrol]

Like Nasa computer chips

[mighty cosmos]

tbf you can still brick your bios even today
You are only really safe with dual bios MBs (or some high end ones have a flashback button and you don't even need the cpu to flash it)

[wise elbow]

bios flashback button is pretty common on all motherboards that are even remotely worth buying

nowadays, anyway

i reckon it saves enough money in RMAs that it was worth installing

[median marsh]

back then flash chips also have been more expensive

nowadays it might be even cheaper to slap a large flash chip on the board just because they aren't a nieche product

[orchid iron]

Makes sense, without the bios flashback button that can save potentially bricked motherboard, it would be quite the stressful situation

Meanwhile the one IT guy in charge of updating the whole store's computer BIOSes each 1-2 months:"Hehe, skill issue"

[grave sundial]

@orchid iron Did you read the thing about the Radeon-RTX hybrid?

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-mixes-up-radeon-rx-and-geforce-rtx-rx-9070-xt-tuf-card-found-with-rtx-cooler

tee hee hee

[sleek grove]

Mmm, RTX 5090 prices have dropped significantly in Europe, it's actually available at roughly MSRP now

Kind of tempting but also would feel criminal to put that brick into an AM4 system, also would need a new case and a psu

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-yes-yeah-yep-yas-gif-15410358

Forsake pcie 5, it is buggy, pcie 4 is the way

[orchid iron]

Noice

[somber surge]

https://youtu.be/caU0RG0mNHg

[orchid iron]

Ayyy new waiste of sand

[somber surge]

At this point just stop making those dogshit products and keep all the capacity for those AI datacenters

The best gaming generation they could do is a generation in which they don't make any gpu

[orchid iron]

Funny enough I would love a 5050 that is passively cooled without a power cable

[somber surge]

130W

You're not gonna get that

🤣

It's already a bad gpu, I can't imagine with half the power

[median marsh]

just shows how little improvement there was in the last 2 gens