hardware

[grave sundial]

One of the fans... the one closest to the RAM stick.

See this pic.

[short bramble]

The noctua comes with two fans ?

[grave sundial]

Open the pic in a browser.

Zoom in.

[wise elbow]

@mighty cosmos sorry for the ping! but you have a ryzen9 and high ram right? does your memory training take forever?

[orchid iron]

yup, and you can install a 3rd one if you want xD

[grave sundial]

You'll see the fan on the left is slightly higher than the fan on the right.

[short bramble]

Oh the Noctua is the two big blocks ??

[orchid iron]

that's the point of dual tower

[grave sundial]

Yep.

One fan for Jedi and one fan for the Sith.

[short bramble]

Damn ok

[grave sundial]

A third fan for George Lucas.

So, if you have clearance issues, you raise the fan on top of the RAM stick higher.

[short bramble]

It will take more space in my case than my AIO, so my GPU maybe will be hotter lol

[short bramble]

And I can make it really easily ?

[grave sundial]

Yes.

It's literally - move fan two steps higher.

[wise elbow]

i dont think youll be able to move the fan higher and close the case

[grave sundial]

He can.

The case has the width.

[wise elbow]

isnt there only like 10mm of play?

[short bramble]

Ok thank you I will try this

[grave sundial]

about 20.

[wise elbow]

ah

[orchid iron]

I would upgrade the cpu cooler and case at the same time simply because I'm lazy and I wouldn't want to do more effort than needed xD

[wise elbow]

idk why you would get a new case

[grave sundial]

Twue. But proper cases are expensive.

[short bramble]

I'm wondering if I should buy a bigger case in case of my GPU temp will be higher because of the space the Noctua takes, or if the Noctua is too big for my actual case

[orchid iron]

yup

[grave sundial]

You can do that if the fans and air cooler unit don't do the job.

One step at a time.

[orchid iron]

hot take, reverse all fans, so the case goes from negative pressure to positive pressure

[short bramble]

Ok one step at a time but the air cooler will not make my GPU temp go lower than actually

[grave sundial]

🤔 would that result in a reverse blower and blast a side panel out?

[orchid iron]

yeah

[grave sundial]

I know. But, right now, you want to fix the CPU temps. If that's fine, you can take your time hunting a proper CPU cabinet.

No need to rush. 53C won't kill your GPU any time soon.

[orchid iron]

only down side is that the inside will be a bit more dusty because there is no air filter, but it should have better flow

[grave sundial]

Lord! The dust.

[short bramble]

I guess the CPU temps can't be worse than now with my AIO lol

[grave sundial]

It'll be way better, since the AIO has problems and the air cooler won't. 😄

[short bramble]

I really want to optimize this at once

Exactly x)

But if I want to buy a new case, I should buy any size ?

[orchid iron]

I think the case has more problems than the AIO but okay xD

[grave sundial]

I get how you feel. But, you also have to make arrangements for disposing the old case.

Can't just house a rat inside it.

[grave sundial]

Fractal Torrent E-Atx Mid Tower.

[orchid iron]

make sure it has good flow, yours is the prime example of bad flow xD

yeah EATX is so nice to work with

[short bramble]

It says High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case

I guess the Airflow seems good lol

[short bramble]

This case is bigger than mine ?

[grave sundial]

Slightly bigger.

The inside is better designed though.

You can see the pic I posted before.

[short bramble]

So my GPU temp issue is not the size of the case but the design of the Airflow ?

[grave sundial]

Generally, yes.

[short bramble]

I hope that all of my components will be good in that case

Fit well etc..

[grave sundial]

Fitting won't be a problem, no worries.

[short bramble]

Ok I trust you !

[grave sundial]

Don't trust me.

Read the manual.

and spec sheet.

and ask AI.

[short bramble]

Thank you so much for helping me. So Noctua NH-D15 & Fractal Design Torrent Black E-ATX

I don't trust AI x)

[orchid iron]

sounds good

[short bramble]

I'd rather to trust humans x)

[mighty cosmos]

yeah have 128GB, training takes good 10 minutes
So any time I change any bios settings it takes 10 minutes to get past memory training

[wise elbow]

reassuring, thanks!

[orchid iron]

That is way faster than I thought it would be xD

[mighty cosmos]

very nerve wrecking on the first boot when I first built the PC lol

[orchid iron]

Oh yeah

[mighty cosmos]

thank god my MB has the status code display so I could check what it was doing

[wise elbow]

i have 96gb. had issues with it when i first built but then it got faster at it for whatever reason

[grave sundial]

I left mem training off.

I have forgotten all the reasons why.

[wise elbow]

just installed a gpu tho and it forgort

[orchid iron]

Living on the edge I see

[wise elbow]

i have a status led but no display

[grave sundial]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fi3veqov49ww61.jpg

Spot the illegal immigrant.

[wise elbow]

"DRAM" led litup in the asus manual says "hardware failure"

[mighty cosmos]

in my case the display said 15, which was the code for memory initialization

so I knew it was probably training it at least

[wise elbow]

i wanted a display but it would have doubled the cost of the board i got which was already insane

[mighty cosmos]

yeah they are.... pricey

[wise elbow]

i dont know how youd ever diagnose something without one

like surely it reduces RMAs for dead boards?

[mighty cosmos]

it's very useful to have that's for sure

[grave sundial]

No one spotted the illegal immigrant. 😦

[wise elbow]

there does appear to be a mouse in there

[grave sundial]

Aha! One person did!

[mighty cosmos]

lmao

[grave sundial]

Two... TWO whole people did!

in Dracula accent

[wise elbow]

my friends old pc had several spider nests inside of it

i guess enough bugs were attracted to the dried dr pepper in his pc that it was worth making a web

[grave sundial]

😄

All spiders must be eliminated.

[median marsh]

that should cost the company like $0.10 to add

[wise elbow]

legit

FUCKING WISH I HAD ONE RIGHT NOW

[median marsh]

ok, maybe closer to $1, looked up prices for 7segment led's...

thought they are cheaper on reel

or maybe they are... https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/0-28-0-36-0-56_1601025589532.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.7fd913a0oFOjTq

~20 cents for 4 digits

[wise elbow]

laughably cheap

[grave sundial]

When information is excessive.

Oh wow! I didn't know these existed.

Apparently, they're connected via USB. External displays that show you CPU/GPU temps.

Amazon has several varieties.

[short bramble]

Last question sorry guys

My MB is LGA1200 but the noctua is LGA1700. Is it a problem ?

[grave sundial]

Yes.

The specs must match.

One sec.

[short bramble]

For the Noctua it says LGA1851 / LGA1700

[grave sundial]

Check Noctua NH-D15

For LGA1200

[short bramble]

This is the Noctua NH-D15

[grave sundial]

NH-D15 is for LGA1200.
The G2 is for LGA1700.

[short bramble]

Oh without G2

[grave sundial]

right.

[short bramble]

What is G2 ?

Is it not important ?

[grave sundial]

Different model. For LGA1700.

Since your Mobo is LGA1200, you need LGA1200 compatible air coolers.

[short bramble]

Oh ok

So this is good ? https://amzn.eu/d/f5KYeQQ

[grave sundial]

yep. Intel LGA1200.

[short bramble]

So it's the same that the other but compatible with my MB ?

Double tower etc..

[grave sundial]

It's a different model than G2. It's dual-tower. It works with your Mobo. Yes.

[short bramble]

Yes I meant the same performance of cooling lol

Thank you very much for your help !

[grave sundial]

According to Noctua, the G2 offers 3 degrees more cooling.

That's it.

[short bramble]

But it's not compatible so I can't x)

Ok thanks

[grave sundial]

Correct.

Welcome.

[orchid iron]

At this point use a tone of displays instead xD

[grave sundial]

A full 40inch monitor just for temps.

B'Cuz reasons....

[orchid iron]

YES

I need my temps displayed in 8k minimum, main monitor is 1080p for better fps

[grave sundial]

Also, the display should be powered by a 5090.

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/GAOMON-Display-Tilt-Support-Battery-Free-Shortcut/dp/B07XZ3JF3B

I am thinking of nabbing this.

Seems cheap AND good.

[grave sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6AYEeEl3c

Looks like a good drawing tablet.

Doing some additional research before buying.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNxwSTC9cg

@short bramble oddly enough, it seems very similar to your situation xD

Even talks about the air coolers we mentioned here

[grave sundial]

Great. Just when I thought I'd be buying JUST the drawing tablet, my brain informed me of the possibilities of dial controllers and the need for a table extension.

More googling and capital investment are on the horizon. 😄

[orchid iron]

Are you planning to become an artist?

[grave sundial]

What do you mean 'become'? 😛

I AM an artist.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, I kinda walked into a wall, my bad

[grave sundial]

Granted, I am not a Picasso, but a Mecasso. Not a Van Gogh but a Tan Bogh.

[orchid iron]

As long as you know what you need and are able to actually pick that over what you want, you'll be fine xD

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Parblo-Pressure-Graphics-Drawing-Anti-fouling/dp/B018VASU3O

I do not need OR want this. 😄

Apparently, these are cheap as shit, but when they were first created, someone decided to start selling them for $10.

[orchid iron]

Lmao, I have one of these

[grave sundial]

Probably made a million bucks selling this.

--- 3 year update (12/9/2023):
This Tablet is still amazing! I've used it tirelessly this entire time and it still works as if i bought it yesterday! It's incredibly durable and an invaluable tool in my work. There have been 0 issues the entire time I've had it and I couldn't be more grateful! ---

This is the kind of review I value.

Someone who tells me how the damn thing functions YEARS after they bought it.

🤔 I was thinking about buying a dial controller, but they seem to have gone out of stock or fashion.

At least in India.

[grave sundial]

Roight! So, table extensions are COSTLY.

[undone laurel]

Btw is "Intel Core Ultra 9 Series 1 185H" good for unreal engine?

This one to be exact. Is this good enough for heavy work in UE5?

[grave sundial]

For being a laptop CPU, I'd say 'slightly yes'.

According to various benchmarks, it's 11-24% inferior to my 7800x3D desktop CPU. That's not much. There are better options, surely, but it's not bad.

AI agrees that it's decent for UE.

What you need to check is whether the processor is having reliability issues, driver troubles, 🔥 problems, etc.

That someone else might have more information about.

[fallen oasis]

I'm getting the AMD 5070 TI version of this.

[orchid iron]

What's the price?

[undone laurel]

Nicee

[undone laurel]

Rs 2,58,000 / $3035

[undone laurel]

And what about this one?

And this one also

[fallen oasis]

They're both pretty good. First one is better.

[orchid iron]

@undone laurel try to get a Lenovo laptop, they have much better repairability and maintenance than these brands

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsIk_mMrt2w#

Well, guess this is why their pastes are so expensive

[undone laurel]

Checking

[undone laurel]

This one?

[orchid iron]

yeah, seems pretty good, what is the price compared to the previous ones?

[undone laurel]

Rs 269900 / $3171

[orchid iron]

that extra 100$ is worth it for a product that is easier to repair and maintain, but that's my personal opinion

out of curiosity, what hardware do you already have?

[wise elbow]

you should really just get a desktop at that price considering you already have a good laptop

a desktop will have more memory, capacity, and significantly better CPU/gpu

[short bramble]

Yeah lol I'm not alone vs the water cooling x) a lot of people have the same issue with water cooling, I read a lot of posts / comments of people in my exact situation

[wise elbow]

99% of issues are caused by mounting the radiator in the wrong place or getting a bad product from a manufacturer

[short bramble]

Or getting a very bad case like mine lol

[wise elbow]

your case is pretty bad NGL but that isn't the issue

that won't kill an aio

[median marsh]

open the side and take a picture and show it

maybe your airflow just sucks and can be optimized

or doesn't suck... which may be worse in that case (duh, another unintended pun) 😄

[wise elbow]

temps that bad from an aio sound like pump failure though that's usually detected by the mobo

[short bramble]

Yes I know my case is the issue of the GPU temp, but it's kinda funny that MSI set a very very bad case and a AIO in the same product x)

[wise elbow]

120mm aios are a fucking meme

they outright perform worse than a single tower cooler I'm pretty sure

[median marsh]

at that point you get the same out of air cooling

[median marsh]

yea i'm pretty sure that it's hard to make a worse air cooler

[short bramble]

I agree, they madr me hate AIO

[median marsh]

you have way better heat conduction by metal than water

as long as you get the heat out of the case that is

[wise elbow]

well, flowing water will conduct a lot better than solid metal. but a good air cooler vaporizes what's basically refrigerant to move heat faster into the actual radiator

[short bramble]

I hope that the combo of Noctua + good Fractal case will be enough. I really want to work again

[wise elbow]

but your main limit will always be how much surface area you have at the end of your system to reject heat

a 120mm and 420mm radiator will cool identically when you first turn them on

[short bramble]

The design of the case

[wise elbow]

very different story after a few seconds to minutes 🙃

i still maintain the opinion that it is silly to buy a whole new case and a 100+ dollar cooler for a 6 year old i7 but that is just me

[median marsh]

no, i think the same

[short bramble]

It's not like I can't replace my i7 and keep the cooler and case

[wise elbow]

you basically can't

[median marsh]

maybe they mounted fans the wrong way?

[wise elbow]

it won't come with any new mounting hardware

[median marsh]

like, check if your top/back fan blow air out (because they should)

[wise elbow]

Intel changes their socket every fucking generation

[short bramble]

So ok the Noctua maybe I will have to buy another one

But the case will still be good right ?

[median marsh]

noctua

[short bramble]

And if I want to change my CPU, I will have to change my MB, no ?

[wise elbow]

noctua would probably send you mounting hardware if you ask but IDK with the current shipping situation worldwide

yes

so will have to rebuild everything again 🙃

[short bramble]

So it's a whole new budget if I want to replace my i7

[wise elbow]

likely all but gpu and PSU?

[short bramble]

But I'm sure I could keep the same case. I will just have to buy another Noctua

[median marsh]

don't pay 180 bucks for the noctua ffs

for a piece of metal with 2 fans...

[short bramble]

The Noctua is 100$

[median marsh]

you linked one for 180 before

[short bramble]

Yes but it was not compatible with my MB

[median marsh]

which one is it for $100? pretty sure there are similar from other companies which are $50

[short bramble]

https://amzn.eu/d/f5KYeQQ

[median marsh]

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0DWZF7K1Y

[short bramble]

So you recommend me to change the CPU ? I guess it will be too much for now. Atm, I just want to work again with low temp for my CPU and GPU

[median marsh]

i think that was Lab and Windus who recommended new cpu and noctua and new case, and new life

[wise elbow]

not unless you want a new cpu

[median marsh]

plinyvic and me are for just getting a good air cooler and call it a day 😄

[wise elbow]

not comparable to the noctua I think

but still overkill lol

idk man do what you want

[short bramble]

So I wont get the same temp with this or with the Noctua ?

[wise elbow]

if budget isn't a concern just buy whatever you want

[short bramble]

Yes but I also need a new case for my GPU temp..

[wise elbow]

does your GPU throttle?

[median marsh]

https://tpucdn.com/review/be-quiet-pure-rock-pro-3-black-dual-tower-cpu-air-cooler/images/performance-summary.png

1% difference or smth?!

[short bramble]

Yes. When I spend too much time on UE5 I got FPS drop

[wise elbow]

but is your GPU throttling?

[wise elbow]

very surprised by that considering they're different sizes

[median marsh]

their surface area is almost equal i guess

only the noctua fans are larger

which may help with noise level, but not with cooling efficiency

[short bramble]

I don't know but I don't like to work with a GPU at 80/90°C constantly for hours and hours. I feel like my GPU will die faster

[wise elbow]

temps for components don't matter unless they overheat AFAIK

which they will throttle down anyway unless you remove the safety for whatever reason

[short bramble]

I'm sure if you work with components at low temps, they will live longer

[wise elbow]

i am not convinced of that

they're designed to operate safely under a certain range

[median marsh]

for their warrany time, yea

[short bramble]

Yes but logically it's better to have low temps for electrical things, I guess..

[median marsh]

but heat also adds mechanical stress

[short bramble]

But for now you think the bequiet is good enough ? So no need of the Noctua ? But the temps will be the same for my CPU ?

I mean both differences are 50$

[wise elbow]

literally anything will work and be better than what you currently have which is essentially no cooler

if the cooler change isn't enough get a new case ig

[median marsh]

you can save even more by going with something like that: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DP23NF7T

[wise elbow]

personally used one of those are they are fine

need to make sure it has hardware for your socket

[orchid iron]

I reccomended thermalright phantom spirit 120 EVO and a new case xD

[short bramble]

Yes it's not written if it's for LGA1200 or 1700 etc..

[short bramble]

Yes ! But I'm afraid to not buy something very powerful and have issues again 😦

[wise elbow]

they are all pretty much the same

[median marsh]

they all use the same concept

[short bramble]

So why the Noctua is 50$ more ?

[median marsh]

main difference will be the noise level, and in my experience with one clone, that isn't an issue at all

because noctua is overhyped and top notch

[short bramble]

50$ for the noise ?

[wise elbow]

better fans, lower noise, higher quality, you actually have support

[median marsh]

it's the prada bag of cooling solutions

[orchid iron]

50$ for the brand

[wise elbow]

it's definitely not just for the brand

they'll send you a whole new heatsink if yours gets fucked up lmao

[median marsh]

for that price you better get 1st hand support from the CEO

[wise elbow]

yeah

[median marsh]

because you paid for four of them up front 😄

[short bramble]

We not talking about 1000$ air cooler guys x)

[median marsh]

he can get 3x thermaltake for this

[short bramble]

It's just from 60$ to 110$

[median marsh]

who would even deal with support BS at that price point?

[wise elbow]

50 dollars is 50 dollars I could use on a lot of things

[short bramble]

So in the end what you recommend me please ? Bequiet ? Thermaltake ? I just need something compatible with LGA1200 and want to know if they send thermal paste with it or not

[median marsh]

i would go with the thermaltake most likely

it had good reviews, is popular and cheap

[short bramble]

So thermalright phantom 120 evo ?

[median marsh]

i would take the assassin if the looks aren't important

[short bramble]

Don't care about the looks

Just want something performant and lowest noise possible

[wise elbow]

that particular model isn't lga 1200 but they make like 4000 variants of the same product and one of them likely has the right socket

[orchid iron]

if you think about it, the difference from 150$ and 50$ is 100$, for that much money it is basically a better case that comes with fans

[median marsh]

he got lga1200?

[orchid iron]

11th gen baby

[median marsh]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LGY38L4

there you go, even $2 cheaper 😄

[wise elbow]

🤯

[short bramble]

You right 100$ to put in my Fractal case

[median marsh]

wait, the other also had lga1200

just different seller, get the last link, which is directly from thermalright/amazon

[short bramble]

So assassin is better than phantom ?

[wise elbow]

unrelated note, but pleasantly surprised with multi frame gen and dlss at 4k

people were acting like they were useless devil technology

[median marsh]

imho they are magic if they look fine 😄

especially since they are most likely more efficient than rendering a real frame

[short bramble]

So with Noctua lower temps if better fans.. right ? 🫠

[wise elbow]

man it's all going to be the same maybe within 1 or 2 degrees

[median marsh]

and some may even outperform the noctua

[wise elbow]

any of these are absolute overkill especially with a new case

[median marsh]

they aren't the holy grail of fans...

[wise elbow]

they're by far the most quiet I have ever seen

[short bramble]

Ok so thermalright assassin and fractal new case.. thanks !

[wise elbow]

be quiet is quiet but historically their fans had a max rpm that was half of noctua

not sure about now

[short bramble]

Oh so Noctua also not make noise

Hmmm I'm hesitating since you told me that if I change my CPU I will have to change everything, case cpu cooler etc..

[wise elbow]

your CPU doesn't pull enough power for noise to even matter imo

[short bramble]

Oh ok

[wise elbow]

they look identical as far as I can see

ray reconstruction sucks though

[short bramble]

Does thermalright send you thermal paste ?

I don't think..

[wise elbow]

yes

[short bramble]

It's not in the description

Oh yes TF7 thermal paste

I hope it's good quality

Intel Ultra 9 are the new CPUs ?

700$

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/1BfSx5IG42c?si=TNtslfgrlDOulVlb

[wise elbow]

new Intel yea

they're polarizing

[short bramble]

It seems that the TF7 thermal paste is not something very good quality

I think I will buy the grizzly thing with it

[wise elbow]

it's just paste...

[short bramble]

I know but if there is a quality note of the pastes it's for a reason I guess lol it's not only commercial

I want to buy things once and stop thinking about it for long time, it's just that

[wise elbow]

don't you literally plan on ripping the cooler off and putting it on a new CPU at some point?

[short bramble]

Not for the moment. If I buy a new CPU it will be the newest, so the Ultra 9 I guess..

And 700$ + new MB etc... not for now

[orchid iron]

if you change your cpu, you'd have to change your motherboard and ram
But the case will last for decades
And the cpu cooler will remain among the top choices simply because there isn't that many ways to improve air cooling, and even if there is, it is only a few degree difference

[short bramble]

And if I buy a new powerful CPU like that I will buy the Noctua I guess

[short bramble]

Yes but if I buy the Noctua for my actual i7, they said it's overkill and I wont be able to use that Noctua for a new CPU in the future because of compatibility

[orchid iron]

or just tweak some settings to make it not use as much power, thus lowering the temps to the point where you'll easily be able to cool it

[orchid iron]

the only compatibility is just some metal brackets that would need to be made for this case scenario, so idk, they might exist on some niche places

[short bramble]

So maybe buying the Noctua is worth it

Even if it's overkill

Anyway, I'm not planning to change my CPU and MB and RAM for the next 2 years so...

So 120$ for the Noctua for 2 years seems ok

Even for 1 year

At least I have something top quality with top thermal paste

And the 250$ case will remain with me some more years so it seems ok

[wise elbow]

isn't that case like 100 dollars?

[orchid iron]

kinda funny, when I got into part picking, I also wanted to go noctua, because of the exact same arguments
then after about a year of thinking, I kinda changed my mind on what I really want to do, so take your time, explore other options and keep an open mind
Rushed decisions are often regretted

[short bramble]

The Fractal black torrent e atx is 250$

[orchid iron]

how much is thermaltake cte c750

[short bramble]

200$

[orchid iron]

the air version?

[short bramble]

Yes

[orchid iron]

CTE C700 Air?

[short bramble]

So in the end you did not buy the Noctua ? Why ? What you wanted to do ?

[short bramble]

CTE C750 Air TG

[orchid iron]

that's the glass version, it has less air flow and costs more

TG stands for Tempered Glass

[short bramble]

Oh the TG is not good ?

Less air flow ?

[orchid iron]

yeah

[short bramble]

So it's not good... why is it 40$ more than the without TG ?

[orchid iron]

less popular ig

[short bramble]

Less air flow and more dollars. I don't understand this world

So even the Fractal it's better to buy the version withour TG ? Solid panel ?

[orchid iron]

it has added tempered glass which is more expensive, but looks prettier

[wise elbow]

tempered glass cool looking

[orchid iron]

TG is a thermaltake thing, might be different from fractal

[short bramble]

Don't want the look x) only performances count

Fractal has TG too

But there is a solid version without TG

And 50$ cheaper and better air flow omg

[orchid iron]

this is the thermaltake cte c750 air
I wanted a case with a tone of space and as many fans slots as possible
the thing is huge, there isn't any hardware compatibility issue because of how much space the thing has

and since Noctua makes top tier cpu cooler and top tier fans, I wanted to go for a full noctua build

[short bramble]

The Fractal torrent seems better as it comes with 5 fans already. 2 medium and 3 small

[orchid iron]

and then, after several months, I just had a moment where I realised, I could just get different products, like the thermaltake cpu cooler and like 20 arctic P14 max
The saved money would get me much better pc components that actually matter like cpu, gpu, ram etc

[short bramble]

You right I guess for saving money but if I want to have better CPU GPU and RAM, 100$ will not make big differences I think

[wise elbow]

does your PC have any RGB stuff?

[orchid iron]

mine?

[wise elbow]

no, sorry, sinoas

[short bramble]

No I don't have RGB stuff

[short bramble]

And atm I don't want to build a whole new PC. I have great components already. Maybe I will add some RAM next month if the CPU cooler and GPU cooler (case) work well

So if I save money on the cooler or the case maybe it will be for buying more RAM. But for now I really want no more issues with my temps for a looooong time x)

And 40$ or 100$ for the cooler I think the 60$ difference maybe worth it..

Maybe the thermaltake at 40$ is enough for my CPU but I'm afraid don't know why

[orchid iron]

it is very simple, how much power does your cpu use?

[short bramble]

How can I know ?

[orchid iron]

online it says it has a tdp of 125w, so let's say a bit over 200 watts

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/air-cooling/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-evo-review/2

he uses a cpu that's 2 generation after yours and it performs really well

[short bramble]

Ok so basically Noctua or phantom spirit 120 will be the same for my CPU as it's not powerful enough ?

But earlier someone recommended me to buy assassin instead of phantom

[orchid iron]

yeah, thermalright has a lot of different of models for many different things, I know it also performs well, like 1 or 2 degree difference, but I don't remember if it is better or worse

[short bramble]

Oh ok it's just the assassin is cheaper than the phantom lol so I guess it's worse x)

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JGcEkBfpvFM?si=q4KCbKMXS5vU_7h3

@grave sundial omg, the 64gb dimms are out already, how did I miss it

[short bramble]

1 slot of RAM can go up to 128gb right ?

(After I take my decision for Noctua or Thermaltake air cooler, I will go about thinking upgrading my RAM x))

[grave sundial]

Speak to me, great Laboratory.
What are the benefits?

And do they 🔥?

[orchid iron]

these are ddr5 ram sticks, each stick is about 64gb so 256gb total on a motherboard with 4 slots
You have ddr4, so max is 32gb per stick, max 128gb on 4 slots

[orchid iron]

they go up to 6400 on the OC version, and there are also CUDIMM versions for even more POWAR

[short bramble]

Oh ok thanks for infos

[grave sundial]

I was about glibly state that my 32x2GB sticks already go to 6000 on OC, but then, I realised I could get 128GB with two sticks instead of four.

Very nice.

Do they explode though? 🔥

[orchid iron]

only with discord nitro

[grave sundial]

very well. From now, we shall chat on Truth Social alone.

[orchid iron]

bruh, use revolt instead xD

[grave sundial]

Refuse! I have had enough of voltage and electricity for a few years. 😄

[orchid iron]

hear that? It is the 6090 Ti Super OC Load balancing edition
And it's gonna take all that power away

[grave sundial]

It'll take a wall or two from your house with it, when it 🤯 .

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zenless-burnice-white-gif-270090155855082359

[grave sundial]

At least we can have raytraced shadows while being homeless.

🏘️

[short bramble]

Any advices for good RAM ? (DDR4)

Corsair or.. ?

(I know I'm asking you help so much, sorry guys..)

(I already have 2 slots taken, 2x 16GB)

Actually my module type is UDIMM but I read that there are UDIMM, RDIMM and LRDIMM

And I don't know what I should buy

And there is also the MHz

It says my PC actually have 1600(3200)MHz. I don't understand if it's 1600 or 3200 lol

I also read that there is a combo of using a number of slots. For example, it's better to use 2 slots of 32GB than using 4 slots of 16GB, or am I wrong ?

My CPU also says it supports 3200MHz speed maximum. So it's without OC I guess. So should I buy only 3200MHz RAM sticks or can I go higher with keeping stability/performance/low temps ?

[orchid iron]

There is only one type of dimm that your mobo supports, so keep using that one

The 3200 MHz is a marketing number, the actual speed is 1600 MHz because DDR stands for double data rate

[orchid iron]

It is better to stick with what your CPU specifications say for better longevity

[short bramble]

Ok thanks ! So even when I see a Corsair stick with 3200MHz it's in reality 1600MHz ?

But when my CPU tells me it supports 3200MHz it's with DDR in count, right ?

[orchid iron]

Yup

[short bramble]

And the number of slots used is affecting performance ?

I know that the Nanoseconds affects it (16, 10 etc..)

But if I want 64GB is it better to use more or less slots ?

[orchid iron]

This fact is only useful for BIOS settings, because if you don't know it, you'd accidentally set a massive overclock on ram and potentially damage your components

[orchid iron]

Less slots, that way you can upgrade to 128gb in the future

[short bramble]

Ok so if I stay with a 3200MHz it should be perfect?

[orchid iron]

Yeah

Also, keep in mind, if you go for extreme capacity like me at 128gb, you'll have to reduce speed or it'll be more unstable

[short bramble]

But actually I already have 2x16GB coming with that built PC by MSI. Should I buy just one stick of 32GB to get 64GB and use 3 slots (2x16GB + 1x32GB) or should I replace all of my sticks with the same brand/model? Like buying 2x32GB of the same ?

[short bramble]

Reduce speed where? From the product itself, like buying less than 3200MHz or reducing speed in BIOS settings ?

[orchid iron]

If you have a tone of ram filling all 4 slots, the stock speed will be lowered by default

[short bramble]

Oh ok so I don't have to care of that ?

If it reduces itself automatically

[orchid iron]

Yeah, stock settings will take care of that

[short bramble]

Great news thanks. And for my actual sticks, what should I do ?

Remove them or use them ?

[orchid iron]

So, the CPU has dual channel memory, that means that for its best performance you'd put only one stick of ram per channel
However, you can also put 2 per channel if you are okay with reducing the performance

So that's why you'd always see online either 2 stick or 4 stick configurations

One is for faster ram, the other for bigger capacity

[short bramble]

So for performance either I use 2x32GB or 4x16GB ? 3x is not really good as the CPU has dual channel memory

And 2x32GB will be faster

[orchid iron]

3x would set it in a 4 ram stick configuration, so it is reduced performance for just slightly more capacity

[short bramble]

But why I see some people using 3600MHz sticks with the same CPU I have ?

[orchid iron]

That's an Overclock

[short bramble]

Because they say that 3600 CL18 is better than 3200 CL16

Same latency but faster

[orchid iron]

The thing with 2x32gb is that in the future you can upgrade to 4x32gb, but with 4x16gb, you'll have to yeet them away if you want to upgrade

Plus 2x32gb is just more performant than 4x16gb by a significant margin

[short bramble]

Ok so I will go with 2x32GB. Now I have to find this CL18 and CL16 differences x)

And also find the best "brand" of DDR4 RAM

[orchid iron]

At stock speeds it doesn't matter, better brand is for overcloking min/maxing

[short bramble]

So do you think this is fine for UE5 gaming development etc etc... ? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y4ZZ7LQ/ref=twister_B097B3SRZN?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

I read that Corsair is great for RAM

It's 2x32GB with 3200MHz

[orchid iron]

Yup

[short bramble]

But the Nanseconds is 16

I don't know if it's good

[orchid iron]

Highly doubt you'd notice the difference

[short bramble]

Ok it's really for bigger setups like Workstations that could make a difference

[orchid iron]

No, it is for gaming where latency would matter

Workstations usually have a tone of ram capacity and either below stock speeds or at stock speeds

[short bramble]

Oh ok so for working the CL does not matter. Only the capacity and the MHz speed matter

Thank you so much !

[orchid iron]

np

[short bramble]

I love you guys, thank you !

[short bramble]

They say that Crucial is a brand owned by Micron, which manufactures its own RAM

I guess it's better to buy from a company which makes its own products rather than buying Corsair, no ?

[median marsh]

which leaves you with one option, which is crucial...

as all the other main dram manufactors don't overclock their own modules

take from that what you want...

[short bramble]

Hmmmmm

Because I remember when you told me for the SSD that it's better to buy from a company who makes their own products so I just apply the same logic for everything now x)

[short bramble]

Overclock ? Don't need that

[wise elbow]

crucial is trustworthy

[short bramble]

Corsair seems like it's for the look the hype etc...

I want something ugly with best perf x)

[wise elbow]

they are reliable and sell binned memory that will consistently overclock

what memory do you currently have?

[median marsh]

when you buy 3200MHz memory it is overclocked

it's not what samsung or whoever made the dram modules, rated those chips for

nvm, samsung now has 3200MHz modules

[short bramble]

I currently have a memory from MSI built-in PC

[wise elbow]

honestly any normal memory brand is fine

[short bramble]

Don't know what is it

[wise elbow]

what's the capacity/speed?

[median marsh]

i don't think so

i'll never buy g.skill again

[short bramble]

2x16GB 3200MHz

[median marsh]

2 sticks from 2 kits failed, and i can't even really RMA them, since they want the whole kit send back first

[wise elbow]

ive only ever used gskill lmao

[short bramble]

Crucial is 22 Nanseconds and Corsair is 16 Nanoseconds..

[wise elbow]

why are you buying new memory?

[orchid iron]

Isn't ddr4 max stock speed at 3200?

[short bramble]

I want to upgrade to 64GB

[wise elbow]

why?

[median marsh]

yea, maybe it was the 3600MHz that run out of specs

[short bramble]

Because when I use UE5 or any 3D softwares it takes all of my RAM (almost 100%)

[wise elbow]

odd

[orchid iron]

Sounds about right

[median marsh]

also the only way i noticed is because my engine builds ended up corrupted

[wise elbow]

well 2x16 sticks will be cheap as shit and you can continue using the memory you have and just add to it

[median marsh]

and probably some assets, too. which i most likely didn't notice

was somewhere in the high region >64GB

[short bramble]

But I have to use dual channel so if I want 64GB I have to add 2x16GB again, right ?

Then I will have my 4 slots taken

And if later I want to upgrade to more than 64GB, I will have to remove these 4 sticks away

And maybe it's better to have all of the sticks from the same model/brand

[wise elbow]

be realistic, when will you ever upgrade again? it's ddr4 on a old CPU...

[short bramble]

I think next time I will upgrade I will change my MB and my CPU

[wise elbow]

doesn't matter on ddr4

[wise elbow]

you will have to get new memory as well

[short bramble]

Exactly, and I will use new DDR5 I think

[orchid iron]

I'm pretty you can use ddr4 on 12, 13 and 14th gen

[wise elbow]

you probably can but that would be stupid

[orchid iron]

Yeah probably xD

[short bramble]

So you say it's better to buy 2x16GB to have 64GB already

[wise elbow]

especially considering how cheap memory is

IMO yes

any new CPU and you will want good speed ddr5...

[short bramble]

So it's not worth it to have more than 64GB with my actual setup ?

[wise elbow]

no you won't use it

I'll be shocked if you use 64

[short bramble]

Does it impact performance to use 4 slots of RAM instead of 2 slots ?

[orchid iron]

In this use case, where you'd upgrade your whole mobo and CPU , having large capacity ddr4 won't be of use for as long as ddr5

[wise elbow]

not on ddr4 and especially not if you aren't overclockiint

[short bramble]

Yes, if I upgrade my MB/CPU I will use DDR5 as well and 128GB I guess

[wise elbow]

if you want large capacity ddr5 it'll probably be 2x48

anything higher than that and you ruin speeds

[short bramble]

Hmm so 2x64GB will ruin perf ?

[wise elbow]

i don't know if 64gb dimms

[orchid iron]

Crucial made some 64gb dimms clocked at 6400, so maybe some CPU can clock at those speeds xD

[short bramble]

Ok so now it's better to buy 2x16GB of 3200Mhz from Corsair (as Crucial is CL22 and Corsair is CL16) and add it to my actual memory

It will make my setup 64GB, until I change my whole setup to go for a new CPU/MB and DDR5 RAM

Is it right ?

[orchid iron]

Yup

[wise elbow]

i would try and figure out what memory is already in your PC and buy that exact kit again

or at the very least the exact same speed and timing

[short bramble]

And you say it does not matter if I use my 4 slots or only 2 slots, and does not matter also if I don't use same model sticks ?

[wise elbow]

might not

i have a franken pc wit 4 different dimms in it and it works fine

but they are the same chip inside

[short bramble]

Hmm it changes everything

So it matters

[wise elbow]

me think it probably doesn't

[orchid iron]

By the way, when using 2 different kits of 2 sticks
Put the pair in the 2 right slots, and the other pair to the 2 left slots
Because of the dual memory channel thing, makes things more stable
And if things are still unstable, clock down to the lowest value of the sticks and the latency as the highest one

[short bramble]

Ok thanks for advices

I'm trying to find my actual sticks model but can't find it

[wise elbow]

look at the sticker on it

[orchid iron]

If it is some cheap OEM sticks, it is better to just check hardware monitor if you don't have a stick on them

[wise elbow]

or download some diagnostic software and it'll tell you the chip manufacturer and timinga

[short bramble]

I'm sure they set poor RAM like they gave me bad Case and bad AIO...

[orchid iron]

Lmao

What was the pc price btw?

[short bramble]

2500$

[wise elbow]

tbh if you are in Europe that does not sound bad

[short bramble]

Why if I'm in Europe ?

[orchid iron]

Bruh moment

[wise elbow]

VAT and prices just generally higher

[short bramble]

Yes very high x)

[orchid iron]

They put their taxes on the price instead of the US

US msrp is without taxes

[short bramble]

(I have HWMonitor but can't find RAM infos)

[wise elbow]

there's states with no sales tax 🫡

[orchid iron]

I'm sure many people enjoy living there

[short bramble]

For sure x)

That's why I was thinking about replacing all of the sticks, as I don't trust them anymore x)

With this case and AIO issues

Hmm..

[orchid iron]

At this point just use the pc for a while and then build a whole new pc xD

[short bramble]

It says for my RAM sticks : SK Hynix

[orchid iron]

Yup, that's the one who made the ram

[short bramble]

ChannelA-DIMM1
ChannelB-DIMM1

Both the same manufacturer

[wise elbow]

try and find a memory kit that is the same speed, timing, and uses chips made by hynix

that would be my recommendation

and same capacity obviously

[short bramble]

Ok so I downloaded CPU-Z

DRAM Frequency : 1600MHz
CAS# Latency (CL) 22.0 clocks
Uncore Frequency : 800MHZ

So it's not even... 3200MHz.. ? x)

[orchid iron]

Seems like the true speed that I was talking about

[short bramble]

Oh ok so it's 3200MHz ok lol

So I have to find sticks from SK Hynix, with CL22 and 3200MHz, right ?

Or.. I throw them away and buy 2x32GB of Corsair with CL16 3200MHz

[orchid iron]

Not necessarily SK hynix, because they are really difficult to find

[short bramble]

So they gave me CL22 these... damn kind people

I was right, they did not even give me good quality RAM

[wise elbow]

1600MHz, 3200 MT/s

[orchid iron]

See, this is the magic of OEMs, they cheap out on everything

[wise elbow]

the ram is fine lmao

[short bramble]

The ram is fine I know but with the AIO and Case it's just too much for me x)

They try to cheap everything and sell the PC for 2500$

[orchid iron]

1000 for the GPU, 500 for manually building the system, and 1000 for the rest

[short bramble]

Maybe it's worth it ok but

Without good AIO and good Case, I'm sure I did not even use 50% of the power of this machine

As my CPU and GPU are always overheating

[orchid iron]

True

[short bramble]

But stop complaining lol, for now I just have to decide if I throw the actual sticks or not

[orchid iron]

Sticks work unlike the case and AIO xD

[short bramble]

And between Crucial and Corsair I will go with Corsair as for the same speed, I have CL16 with Corsair and CL22 with Crucial

[wise elbow]

ram is ram

[wise elbow]

are you keeping the old memory?

[short bramble]

I still don't know. But I'm talking in the case I don't keep the old memory I will go with Corsair

If I keep the old memory, I have to buy 2x16GB of 3200Mhz CL22, right ?

It should be enough for stability/performance safe ?

But it kinda hurts me to spend money to buy the same sticks as they gave me with the PC

[orchid iron]

You can get it with lower latency, and if things get unstable you can always change it...wait, can you change those settings in your BIOS? Some motherboards lock those settings

[short bramble]

I think I can change. My BIOS has a lot of settings

I think I will go with buying 2x32GB of Corsair for CL16 3200MHz and keep the default sticks on the side

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KgyzVrExoCo

[agile lodge]

nvidia geforce hotfix fixes some issues

[short bramble]

There are like 3 types of microfiber cloths.. which one should I take to safely remove my thermal paste please ?

The microfiber of the eyeglasses, or of the kitchen things ?

(Ofc I will buy Isopropyl alcohol with it)

[mighty patrol]

Neither of those

You want something like this, https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0035BTQ06?crid=3BE0F94U6JSIF&sprefix=shop%2Btow&th=1&amp=&ref_=as_li_ss_tl&language=en_US&linkCode=gg2&linkId=6400d7685d6f068a4c888e7934a90fee&tag=mattscomput0a-20

Less microfibres etc that can get onto the cpu or the mobo

[short bramble]

I saw that microfiber cloths are lint free, it's not true ?

[mighty patrol]

Yes but they have those hooks

That can hook onto parts on your computer

[short bramble]

This is not microfiber, right ? It's another texture ?

[mighty patrol]

Correct

Paper material

[short bramble]

What is the name please ?

Hmm

[mighty patrol]

You want Shop towels

Shop towels used for stuff like cleaning grease etc

Because thermal paste is a type of grease

[short bramble]

So when people say coffee filter or microfiber cloths they are wrong ?

Or it's not 100% safe?

Shop towels has only one brand ? Scott ?

I think I will not find it at the market

[mighty patrol]

It's the most popular

There's some offbrand ones on amazon or w.e

[mighty patrol]

Coffee filters are good too

But microfibers if you look careful at the cloth itself it has basically tiny hooks through-out the entire cloth

If one of those gets caught on any pins on your mobo or cpu by chance

I don't need to say bad things happen

[short bramble]

Ok thank you so coffee filters and shop towels are both ok ?

[mighty patrol]

Ye

paper towel is decent too

But they can leave white fibres

So if you do use paper towel

[short bramble]

But paper towel will leave lint

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

I was going to say if you use it wipe it with iso after

WIth a alcohol wipe or w.e

I have used paper towel when no other options myself

Last resort

I'd use coffee filter over that though

Linus a few years ago did a what can you use in your household type video for this type of thing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOd1oN1wPSk

[short bramble]

Anyhow I will use isopropyl to clean the thermal paste

[mighty patrol]

Always nice to have a sort of myth busters approach to the topic.

[short bramble]

Ok thank you so much. I guess I will use isopropyl + coffee filter

[mighty patrol]

Gl!

[short bramble]

Yes you're right !

Thank you !!

Just to be sure, I need to damp the coffee filter with isopropyl alcohol, clean the CPU and the Cooler, and then use another coffee filter to wipe again without IPA, right ?

Because Linus is using a paper towel in the video you linked lol

[median marsh]

just use a paper towel

[short bramble]

paper towel is not lint free, no ?

[median marsh]

a coffee filter wth

no, but neither is the air in your room xD

the whole electric part is covered by the socket brace anyways

[short bramble]

I'm afraid to leave some fibers / lints with paper towel

[median marsh]

if they overdid it with the paste before you can use your bank card to scratch off the paste

and? what should the lints do?

[short bramble]

It says it can makes the CPU hotter because of the lints because it creates some "air" or particles between thermal paste and CPU

[median marsh]

yea but you would see those and you could just brush them off

[short bramble]

There are some particles you can't see but they exist

[median marsh]

also if the paper is soaked with iso it's unlikely that it will leave anything back

and you think those particles are gonna raise your temps?

[short bramble]

It can lol

I'm not an expert but I'm trying to maximize my chances

[median marsh]

yea, like 0.01 celcius

if at all

[short bramble]

To have a correct thing

So why not using coffee filter ? So I'm sure that it won't leave anything

[median marsh]

yea but you are overthinking that thing

coffeefilter is made of paper, too

isn't it?

[short bramble]

I'm overthinking everything

[short bramble]

Not same type as paper towel

[median marsh]

xD oh ffs

[short bramble]

Sorry I'm kinda crazy I know x)

[median marsh]

the amount of thermal paste you put onto it has way more influence than some paper lints which are out of your perception...

and you won't get it perfect, because no one does

so the whole paper lint fear isn't worth the hassle

[short bramble]

Yeah I know.. this is the next step

Watching how to put the exact amount of thermal paste x)

[median marsh]

please don't...

[short bramble]

But with the air cooler I will have thermal paste + spatula I guess

[short bramble]

Don't what ?

[median marsh]

i just use my bank card to spread the paste...

gives a nice even thin film of paste

[short bramble]

Yes but I have to know how much paste I should put before spreading it

Pea size I guess

[median marsh]

so that you end up with a thin film of paste on the cpu

[short bramble]

If I remember correctly

Hm ok and everything needs to be uniform, right ?

Some people just put 4 points at each corner and 1 on the center and just put the cooler on it..

[median marsh]

i can't comment on that other than that i use a thin film

[short bramble]

It depends of the thermal paste maybe

[median marsh]

as you don't want air gaps inbetween, which i feel is more likely if you use the drops method

that too

[short bramble]

This is from Noctua official video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd9ikGVI9_4

[median marsh]

whatever they say doesn't sum up in my mind

either it spreads as necessary, which would result in too much paste just squeezing out

OR the too much paste can increase temp warning is bullshit

you can't have/claim both

[short bramble]

So it's better to spread it myself you say ?

So I put a dot in the middle and spread it ?

[median marsh]

i have no fricking idea

and neither does noctua apparently

[mighty patrol]

No one really does

It's one of those things its sorta personal preference

[short bramble]

It seems it's an eternal question

[mighty patrol]

Some people put giant globs

[median marsh]

it also depends on a lot of factors

[mighty patrol]

^

Depends on your cpu, cooler, etc

Some are larger and get hotter in specfic areas

[short bramble]

Noctua made a video especially for my "type" of CPU (size only) and the thermal paste I will buy

But experienced people said to never use "dot", always spread to have a great uniform paste

[mighty patrol]

I personally do sorta an X

🤷

[short bramble]

So you just do an X and put the cooler ?

[mighty patrol]

Yup

Havn't had any issues. Normally when I go to repaste its been spread through-out

No spilling over either.

[short bramble]

Ok I will think about it until I receive the product.. thanks !

Another question but for something else

With the Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX case, should I buy an additional Fan Fractal Design 140x140x25 mm for the back ? And should I buy some cable extensions for my SSD or something else ? Because everything will not be in the same place as my actual case so I'm afraid maybe some cables will be too short.

[median marsh]

how did that case become an option?

[short bramble]

Because my actual case is a joke of airflow design. My GPU is constantly at 80°C

I think I will buy this for the back, as the back has no fan actually in the case https://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-Ventilateur-boîtier-140x140x25/dp/B07QF33JDW/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=261YX2ZID3C27&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CEIpRgwlmpr8GUXIzoSK6WU0XgCvQgCxQ3h7_JeMRHXE26CHkKBioalSh9ftsYI69n083J5_tyW0WgNCZ3bhtZPhG3mh9JV3LJ5jUChrRbZl1lTcpdetX5FO-e5whypAD6LoZJLrTQI29WS8VK8YM9-vlC0u_bsYOL76p_De92fn1SQOQ1xNpe9IpRY2cYfWJtmU_ATbq2_4oGeRbQ--VL1vUvU0WjDXxNhwmKyNF0GTdI13eZ_oBKV5DCyQB7uhjbVkERh_JWhPtCeSD8OLhrnY_x6EcvXpX76U7SBnapI.zfKXLWsWU2xKFg5hqQ7egrR08I3FekQbF6UwZBIvv0Q&dib_tag=se&keywords=Fan%2BFractal%2BDesign%2B140x140x25%2Bmm&qid=1745899141&sprefix=fan%2Bfractal%2Bdesign%2B140x140x25%2Bmm%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-3&th=1

What do you think ?

[wise elbow]

crazy expensive fan and probably not needed

positive pressure will push hot air out of your case

also basically any method of applying thermal paste is valid as long as you dont use too little

[orchid iron]

For the fan, no, you really don't need to match fans, especially if you could get cheaper ones from an arctic 5 fan pack

[orchid iron]

Very unlikely SSD cables become an issue, usually they are always located very close to the motherboard

Yeah, I looked online what is the difference between different thermal paste shapes, different cloths used etc
All of it gives a near insignificant bonus that would matter to over clockers but not most people
I just use normal everyday paper towel and make some unholy shape that looks like an X with a big dot in the middle, I probably used too much, but I don't care xD

[mighty patrol]

Real

[mighty cosmos]

you can rarely go wrong with too much

except you are gonna make a mess but eh

[mighty patrol]

Exactly

[mighty cosmos]

regular thermal paste is electrically nonconductive

[grave sundial]

Ze tableto hath been setupO!

Gadomon PD1560, 15 inch display (if I remember correctly), and LOTS of wires.

I ordered a pack of 20 nibs, but I didn't know that the tablet manufacturer had included two packs of spare nibs. Now, I have lots of nibs.

Nib, nib, nib.

Disclaimer: The fizz drink was not included.

Also, I replaced my old arm rest with a new one. The old one broke. 😦

[orchid iron]

I just noticed, you cool your screen?

[grave sundial]

And occasionally, my face. Yes.
The MSI Optix UQWHD monitor (and maybe ALL ultrawides) has a heating problem.

Some users reported excess heat and in their cases, display failures.

So, I simply turn my cool Chinese USB fan to face it. 😄

[orchid iron]

I remember in the old days, our screen didn't need cooling xD

[delicate crystal]

screens need cooling now?

[grave sundial]

ultrawides apparently, if you want the monitor to survive.

[mighty patrol]

https://x.com/gunsnrosesgirl3/status/1916738112949993797

Science girl (@gunsnrosesgirl3) on X

3D-printed PC fan cover with a honeycomb-like structure, designed to be breathable,

Watch this

X · Apr 28, 2025, 6:15 AM

[short bramble]

@Lab @wise elbow So you say I don't need this additional fan in the back of the case ? And for SSD cables I take extensions or not in case of ? For thermal paste I guess I will do either an X or a dot like Noctua's video, I'm heistating

[wise elbow]

I think you are over thinking it

[wise elbow]

mostly high refresh rate oleds

i recently bought an OLED and it eats like 150 watts

that's as much as my old GPU lol

[short bramble]

No it's just that in the comments of the case one said that his SSD cable could not reach the MB because of the position in this case

And another said "I recommend you to buy another fan for the back"

For thermal paste I will just damp coffee filter with isopropyl and remove it like that I think

[orchid iron]

Yeah, that's perfectly fine

@grave sundial how much difficulty do you have with reaching the SSDs places on your case?

[orchid iron]

Ay yo wtf

[grave sundial]

I only have the single Nvme. The SSDs can sit in VERY convenient slots right next to the BIG fans towards the front.

[orchid iron]

And do you think there would be any problems of SSD cables being too short?

[grave sundial]

#hardware message - referring this picture.

No, the cables won't be short.

The PSU cables are long enough to reach throughout the cabinet.

[orchid iron]

Well, there you go @short bramble

[short bramble]

Thank you very much guys Lab and Windus Andar !

Now I don't have to buy sata cable extensions. Thanks !

(And neither fan for for the back of case)

So only air cooler and case. Thank you so much !

[grave sundial]

@short bramble It'll be like this.

Green - where your SSDs go.

Red - Cables from PSU

Yellow - Cables from SSD.

The non-transparent, steel cover on the other side of the cabinet conceals the SSD drives and wires.

[mighty patrol]

Did you draw that in paint

[grave sundial]

In Krita, with my tablet and stylus.

[mighty patrol]

Ah so fancy

[orchid iron]

I don't think my handwriting would be any better tbh xD

[grave sundial]

🤣

I wasn't trying to be good. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Doubt

[grave sundial]

Let's see how bad my comic strip is going to be.

[mighty patrol]

It's not that bad really lol

[short bramble]

Ok thanks ! And I see that you have another fan for the back.. is it necessary? What are the benefits ?

[grave sundial]

It made me feel better.

And made no real difference to the temps.

[orchid iron]

Wait, can't you use one of your current fans that you have in your pc?

[grave sundial]

I thought the Arctic fan (white) would suck the air out better, but I was wrong about that. 😄

[short bramble]

So why you do not remove it x)

[short bramble]

Ah yes I guess I can

[grave sundial]

Makes me feel better. 🙂 And it looks nice.

[short bramble]

Good idea Lab

Hmm ok I see lol

[grave sundial]

Also, there is a nice blast of air on my hand every time I place it behind the PC. 😄

[short bramble]

If it does not make differences for lowering temps it does not impact performance so I guess it's not necessary but

[grave sundial]

By the way, Fractal has a very detailed manual telling you everything I just did.

[short bramble]

Like Lab said, I can use one of my actual fan

[grave sundial]

Both in print and online.

[orchid iron]

Detailed manuals are the best!

[short bramble]

Oh ok thanks for info. But why someone in the comments said that his sata cable was too short ? Bad installation from him ?

[grave sundial]

🤷 Maybe his PSU came with a short cable, OR he got a short one with his drive.

OR his mobo was really small... like an ITX.

[orchid iron]

Maybe he got one of those OEM PSUs that only work for one specific PC model

[short bramble]

Hmmm yes maybe

I hope to not have any issues like that

[grave sundial]

There's also the possibility the SATA port was placed in the wrong place on the mobo.

like far away.

[short bramble]

Because I will have to purchase sata extensions and wait the delivery... lol

[orchid iron]

What is your PSU btw?

[grave sundial]

That's not really an issue. The case is so big, you can just leave the SSD on top of one of those big fans, while you wait for an extension if necessary.

I have a 3D printed astronaut sitting in there on top of one of the fans.

Very kosher. 😄

[short bramble]

750 W 80 Plus Gold

[short bramble]

Hmm ok thanks !

[orchid iron]

Cable extensions arent reccomended over just replacing the whole cable (using very specific sites that ask you what PSU do you have to insure maximum compatibility)

[orchid iron]

That's about as basic as possible PSU, doesn't say much about it

[short bramble]

Yes I don't have more infos about it sorry

[orchid iron]

Don't worry, just wondering if it is some model that was marked as unsafe

[short bramble]

And the PSU in on top in this case. It's not a problem ?

[grave sundial]

Nope. It's happy so far. 😄

And it's also correct, in my opinion.

The bottom fans suck in cold air.

So do the front ones.

Then it goes out the back.

PSUs should be on top, not the bottom.

[short bramble]

Because the plugs are most often at bottom lol

[grave sundial]

what plugs?

[orchid iron]

Yup, PSUs were designed to be at the top

[short bramble]

The electrical outlet

[grave sundial]

Oh...

just use extension cords, if needed.

[short bramble]

Unsafe ?

[grave sundial]

power strips.... whatever you call them.

[short bramble]

Oh ok so I can buy another power cord longer it wont be a problem ?

[orchid iron]

Well, some PSU have more safety features and more margins for inspected situations than others

[orchid iron]

Yup

[grave sundial]

If by power cord, you mean extension cord, yes. 😄

[orchid iron]

Cable mod does some great cable replacements or cable extensions

[grave sundial]

The device you plug a lot of plugs into and then plug that into the outlet.

[short bramble]

Yes extension cord lol sorry

Uhh no not extension cord I mean I plug my power cord directly into the electeical outlet

[orchid iron]

And the outlet is plugged into a larger outlet

[short bramble]

Without extension

[grave sundial]

You should use whatever power cord comes with your PSU.

Just use an extension if needed.

You CAN buy a longer power cord, BUT make sure it comes from the same dudes who made the PSU.

[short bramble]

Ok I see I have to keep the same power cord I have

Yes ok I got it

I think if it's too short I will just move my case x)

[grave sundial]

Fiddly bits. Organisation is fun.

[orchid iron]

Can't you use a power strip and place that on a higher place?

(Don't chain power strips together btw)

[short bramble]

I rather not using power strip for the PC and plug it directly into the outlet

[orchid iron]

Why?

[short bramble]

I don't feel good. I feel like I'm losing some electricity x)

Because I think the power strip divides the power among all of its outlet

Maybe it's false but this is my feeling

So I always use the power cord into to outlet without extensions etcc

[orchid iron]

Well, some really cheap ones perhaps have a limit on how much power can go through them
But okay ones don't divide the power in an active way
If your pc uses 300 watts, and the power strips supports it, it'll reach your pc

[short bramble]

Yes I'm sure you're right but I don't like x)

If I really have to use it I will but if I don't it's better for me

[orchid iron]

Well, as long as it doesn't make you place your pc in an area where it can't make the air flow

https://youtube.com/shorts/qeiazoMu_lM?si=GpZ9rmoEeNeIXxF2

[short bramble]

Yes I need to leave space in front and back for airflow right ?

[orchid iron]

Yup, and bottom and top

[mighty patrol]

Didnt LTT debunk that

or was it Jayztwocents

[orchid iron]

Debunk what?

[short bramble]

There is no fan at top

[mighty patrol]

They filled a case with a bunch of cables

and air flow and temps barely changed

[short bramble]

For bottom yes the bottom will be on the floor

[orchid iron]

Oh, we are talking about the whole pc placement

[mighty patrol]

Ah

[short bramble]

Yes sorry

[mighty patrol]

I just read this

[short bramble]

You talk about inside the PC ?

[mighty patrol]

Yeah nvm

[short bramble]

I will take care to leave space inside PC everywhere yes

[mighty patrol]

Na your fine I'm just tired

Carry on

[orchid iron]

Tbf, the 600 watt high failure rate cables should get as much air flow as possible xD

[short bramble]

Lol ok but for PC placement it's just front and back and bottom on floor so it's ok

[orchid iron]

Didn't notice there wasn't any fans at the top

[short bramble]

Yes. Is it a problem you think ?

[orchid iron]

No, not really, a pc case really doesn't need an extreme amount of air flow, just enough to have at least one air corridor which the case has

[short bramble]

My actual case have fans at top but the airflow is.. a joke x)

[orchid iron]

Have you tried reversing the fans at the back?
Because air ain't gonna go through that front xD

[short bramble]

I did not try nothing since I have this PC lol

I dont have fans at front

And at the back I only have one fan

The hot air was going out from fans at top

[orchid iron]

Trust in that one fan! And get your CPU cooler replaced xD

And if you are brave enough, zip tie an extra fan on the back that blows air from the outside to below the GPU

Wait oh right, there are fan dust filters!

Okay, in a theoretical scenario
That one fan at the back reversed with a dust filter
Then another one, placed on the outside of the case, below the GPU hdmi cables with a zip tie and a dust filter!
And an air CPU cooler
Boom, air flow without the dust!

[short bramble]

So you say I take one of my actual top fan and set it in the back of fractal case ?

Another fan outside of the case ? Did not know that was possible lol

[orchid iron]

Do you have 4 fans on the top, or just two

[short bramble]

2

[orchid iron]

With creative zip ties, anything is possible

[orchid iron]

Then buy an extra one
That way you have 2 intake and 2 output for more balanced air pressure inside of your case

[short bramble]

The Fractal case already have 2 fans at front and 3 at bottom

[orchid iron]

Oh you purchased it already?

[short bramble]

No I will later

[agile lodge]

alienware case have all intakes for fans and get great airflow

[orchid iron]

You mean all outtake?

[agile lodge]

intake fans

[short bramble]

You meant if I don't buy a new case I could make that right ?

[agile lodge]

0 exhaust fans

[orchid iron]

Yes xD

[short bramble]

Oh ok lol but with the Fractal case, I just need one additional fan for the back ?

[orchid iron]

I'm pretty sure he has one of those with only outtake and high negative pressure because he has water cooler

[short bramble]

I guess the Fractal case will be better than my actual even if I do all the things you told me no ?

[orchid iron]

Yeah

[agile lodge]

this only intakes fans https://dell.alienwarearena.com/the-return-of-area-51/

[orchid iron]

But at least your components won't burn like they do right now

[orchid iron]

I'm 99% sure the promotional picture for his case were showing all outtake fans

[short bramble]

If I do things with my actual case but I think it's better to just wait y new case and don't use my PC until I receive it

[orchid iron]

Would of been a solution if you were short on money

[short bramble]

I see thank you !

I hope that with Fractal case and air cooler my CPU and GPU will be 35°C at idle and not exceed 80°C at full

Actually at idle my CPU and GPU are 55-60°C x)

And if all of this work, I think next month I will buy those Corsair CL16 2x32GB 3200MHz

[wise elbow]

aren't Alienware cases notorious for awful design?

[mighty patrol]

Not anymore

New ones look amazing Jayztwocents did a recent video and it was modular as fuck.

Had QR codes explaining all the parts.

[orchid iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821821368017485885/1366119790078332948/0b1a1d4486b5d753a744b957d7a97da65bb3e96b.png?ex=6811c3f3&is=68107273&hm=dacc854b9c9de2976b1253a18d765f5d64a855fd275f0f9d0fdc3273f77a343d&

@agile lodge for context, this is what Sinoa has

[wise elbow]

god that case is so cursed

[short bramble]

You see, the only air that comes into the case is from the side/front and are very very small x)

[wise elbow]

does it not have fans in the front?

[short bramble]

No hahaha 🥲

[wise elbow]

it would be completely functional if it did

[mighty patrol]

Why is it a flat front

Smh

[orchid iron]

To look edgy gamer vibe

[mighty patrol]

Theres a tiny vent

Lmfao

Comical af

[short bramble]

I don't know who made this case but he really do not like PCs

[mighty patrol]

MSI