hardware

[grave sundial]

Okay. I lodged a support ticket with Fractal Design. Hopefully, they will be able to send me a replacement glass panel with the import duties prepaid.

Now, I need to find a thermocol or cardboard panel that I can position next to my case, to protect it temporarily.

Sweden is just 3 hours behind India. Hopefully, they'll process the request quickly.

[median marsh]

does the panel from the other side fit?

[grave sundial]

Yes. They have the same connectors.

---

Okay. Lots of stuff done. After work, I need to carry the glass and some trash down to the Trashium Disposarium.

[median marsh]

what you can do is mount the other side on the glass side, and then lay the tower flat on the desk

that way both sides are closed

but in my experience... you can go a long time without sidepanel 😄

[grave sundial]

🤔 This is a good idea.

I am not worried about dust, so long as I can find that cardboard panel to close it, while I sleep.

When the computer is running, the airflow in there is robust enough to just throw the dust out.

And apparently, my PC doesn't care about the panel either. Temps are cool at 42C.

[wise elbow]

you'll probably get better thermals without the panel unless your case is really cramped and relies on forced flow

[grave sundial]

Right now, it's the same temps either way. 42C.

The case is huge. Fractal Torrent White.

[grave sundial]

@orchid iron @mighty patrol Check dat RAM

[orchid iron]

AND ECC

Be honest, how much does it cost?

[grave sundial]

795,501 rupees as shown.

$10,000

[orchid iron]

Also, how much does that 5090 cost, I'm surprised it is even in stock

[grave sundial]

This builder doesn't show the individual costs.

OR at least I don't know how to view them... yet.

[orchid iron]

So 5k for 4, and probably 2.5k for non-ecc oof

When the 64gb sticks officially come out, they'll probably be expensive af

[grave sundial]

Oh, $5,000 is for the MSI 5090 32GB card.

So, everything else is $5000. 😄

[orchid iron]

NICE

So, probably 2k for those

Okay, less than 1k for 256gb non ecc, kinda reasonable

Now, let's theorise, we got mobos who can have ram up to 8k GHz speeds right?
Zen6 will probably have its sweet spot at that, but likely overclockable to way over that like maybe 10k GHz
The only thing that's left is...could 4x64gb be clocked at 8000 GHz without exploding, that's the question

[grave sundial]

I THINK we can safely overclock them to 6,000MHz.

That's already an Expo profile setting, so.

Maybe 6,500 is safe with proper thermal insulation.

I wonder if we can install Windows and keep it on one of those RAM chips.

Windows needs like... 60GB something... of space plus a bit free.

[orchid iron]

It is possible to set ram memory as storage, so if you ever wanted to do a virtual machine on ram, it would be possible

But the easiest would just be Linux, there are a few distro which only use your ram as storage (for paranoia reasons)

[grave sundial]

Linux is all well and good, but we must achieve maximum compatibility with RAM for Windows, bestest, bigly OS.

In fact, the Windows OS must be an unalienable part of the 64GB RAM chip itself.

---

Amazing! Fractal support already replied. 🙂

Okay, this is has been the BEST support ever.

[median marsh]

given their pricing... one should be able to expect some good support

[grave sundial]

Ben, they sent the replacement panel FOR FREE.

👀 😱 😻

[mellow galleon]

reinstalling windows after each reboot or bsod ? 😄

perfect clean installs tho, still boot sector has to be somewhere

[fallen oasis]

Talking of windows, I've ordered a new laptop. It's coming with w11. I'm scared.

[grave sundial]

Why? W11 is fine.

[fallen oasis]

Every other update seems to brick your pc.

[mellow galleon]

w11 is atrocious, kill it and get w10 IoT or LTSC

[fallen oasis]

I'm probably going to buy a 100% legit w10p key.

[grave sundial]

We must have 64GB 10,000MHz perma Win11 RAM stick.

[grave sundial]

Seriously?

Their updates haven't given me any trouble so far.

In fact, I got two biggie updates today. No probs.

[mellow galleon]

sadly it is, like yesterday update broke lots of apps

[median marsh]

didn't win10 support end soon?

[fallen oasis]

In like 6 months.

[grave sundial]

Win11 has an LTSC version too.

[mellow galleon]

ltsc until 2035

[median marsh]

Microsoft will end support for Windows 10 on October 14, 2025, meaning no more security updates, bug fixes, or technical assistance will be provided after that date.

[mellow galleon]

thats the WAAS/ home versions

[median marsh]

is that LTSC the professional version?

[grave sundial]

The lite version, yes.

With no bloatware.

[orchid iron]

Driver moment

Wait, do you perhaps have an Nvidia GPU?

[fallen oasis]

I don't have w11 yet.

[orchid iron]

How did the updates brick your pc though

[fallen oasis]

I didn't say it did.

[orchid iron]

Ah gotcha, because several people I know just had a black screen after windows update updating things it shouldn't have like drivers

[fallen oasis]

Yeah. I'm just gonna buy a copy of w10p for like £5

[orchid iron]

Does it get different drivers too?

[fallen oasis]

Never had an issue with drivers on w10.

Refer to my earlier statement about w11.

[orchid iron]

Fair

[wise elbow]

w10 eol soon

i would just run a debloated 11

I don't like it but will have to get used to it or use Linux

w11 update at work is requiring everyone to get either a new laptop or a memory upgrade because our PCs idle at 15 fucking gb now

[grave sundial]

There's a Win 11 LTSC.

As lite as you can get.

[fallen oasis]

Where can you get 11 ltsc?

Can I use my whateverkeycomeswithmylaptop for it?

[orchid iron]

What the actual fuck

[fallen oasis]

w10

[wise elbow]

9070xt pulse sold and shipped by Newegg for 880 dollars

what a fucking joke

[grave sundial]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-11-iot-enterprise-ltsc-eval

This is the version available at present.

It's meant for clean installations only, not for overwriting an existing windows. So format disk first.

Hardware and Processor requirements links on that page.

---

🤣 My side panel-less PC is actually making my surroundings cooler. 🤣

[wise elbow]

hmm not sure that's possible

[grave sundial]

my freezing hand disagrees with you.

Disclaimer: Slight hyperbole, but my hand is cold.

[slim estuary]

Does anyone use AMD with unreal?Would be a 9070xt to be more specific. Should I take something into account before regretting buying it?

[grave sundial]

I use AMD, a 7800x3D with UE.

No problems with it. In fact, it's done pretty well by me.

[slim estuary]

Can you use lumen hardware and stuff like that?

[grave sundial]

NVidia is better at raytracing, while Radeon lags behind in that aspect.

Other than that, everything else will be just fine, as far as I know.

[orchid iron]

I can tell you that 9070 xt is similar in perforance to a 5070 in terms of ray tracing, but with 16gb you'll be able to do quite a bit more

[slim estuary]

I couldn't test DLSS I guess, anything else I should keep in mind?

[grave sundial]

Turns out I was right about my panel-less Fractal freezing me.

The air that thing is blasting out is awesome.

I was testing the size of a piece of thermocol and when I put it up against the case, the fans almost blew it off. 😄

💪

[orchid iron]

💪

[orchid iron]

get a model which doesn't have the 12 volt high failure rate cables, some have it, some don't

good old 3x8 pins is way better in basically every single way

[grave sundial]

This is how my Torrent slept last night.

Oh, the shame! I must endure until the replacement panel arrives. I must.

[mighty patrol]

Sad times

At least no glass got into fans or anything

[grave sundial]

Oh no, no. It dropped away from the case, from my careless fingers.

The glass was on the bathroom floor.

The case was on a bad stool.

[mighty patrol]

Oh like far away

Next time you gotta chalk your hands before you do anything w/ pc

[grave sundial]

Next time, I'll do what I did the last MANY times I cleaned this. Remove the glass panel BEFORE I take it into the bathroom.

I have no clue why I decided to remove the panel IN the bathroom, this time.

[mighty patrol]

Silly

[grave sundial]

Very.

I blame climate change.

[orchid iron]

Funny enough, this looks much better than what I imagined it would be

[grave sundial]

What shanty did you imagine I'd build? 👀

Give me a concept sketch. 😛

[orchid iron]

So imagine this:
Your pc with a missing side panel
And now, a thick winter patchwork blanket with tones of different colours that don't match with anything on top of it which covers both the side panel, the other side and the top

[grave sundial]

🤔 And perhaps a drum with scrap inside it and set on fire?

[orchid iron]

You have a drum and some scrap?

[grave sundial]

No. I don't have spare blankets or the ability to patch them either. So, we'll go with it.

[orchid iron]

Gotcha

[grave sundial]

🛢️

[violet spade]

That’s what I thought your case looked like

[grave sundial]

Not a side panel, or a PC case though.
But, good try. 👍

D- for effort.

[violet spade]

Kinda like your case cleaning effort haha

Why take it to the bathroom btw

[grave sundial]

To use the blower.

And not have the dustballs scatter over my room.

[violet spade]

Have you tried using a vacuum with it

[grave sundial]

Sure. But, the blower is better.

[violet spade]

No like

Both

[grave sundial]

Oh, yeah. I did this time.

A bit of a difference there was. The amount of dust blown out was slightly less.

But, only slightly.

Like, there were three dust balls less than without the vacuum.

My side panel is almost out of Sweden now.

I hope it gets here soon. My PC fans are dropping my room temp by 1C. 😄 At least in the area where I sit near it.

[fresh fog]

looking at those temps in india, it seems it'd be welcome 🤣

[grave sundial]

True, IF I didn't have a 5-star rated AC at home that keeps my room at a lovely 26C - dry during the summer. 🙂

But because I DO have it, my right hand is cold. 😄

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ch4JNLMS0

[orchid iron]

Tarifs are temporary, big tech company greed is forever

[acoustic mirage]

Talking about Hardware, I just want to leave this here. I've always used a very mild computer for Unreal, as an educator I want my machine to be relatable by my students in the way of "If I can run it, you can run it too". But lately I wanted to improve a lil my rig, maybe with a new graphics card, (I own a 3060 12GB), but due to the state of the video cards market inaccessible prices I thought "Maybe I should Improve my old Ryzen 5 3600X for something new". Even when I doubted I was going to get a huge improvement by just getting a slightly newer version upgrade to my CPU I am now completely surprised by the results. I got myself a Ryzen 9 5500X, maybe one of the fastest CPUs that my old motherboard can handle, but boy! Am in the ninth cloud right now with the jump in performance. I practically double the engine performance in all the projects I tested.
From Valley of the Ancients, the Matrix City, Electric Dreams and Dark Ruins everything doubled FPS across the board. I mean it was a 120$ upgrade, that's all, and know am wondering how many of you might be suffering from this kind of CPU bottleneck as I did.

Moral of the story, check CPU prices before you get a new incredible expensive video card, you might get the same surprise as me,

Cheers!

[orchid iron]

It hits quite special when I have a quad core CPU still xD

[wise elbow]

5800x3d is still like the 3rd best cpu for gaming im pretty sure

[orchid iron]

5th one after the zen 5 x3d, but still insanely good for its price

Even the 5950x is really good performer for its price

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtTbexmh6E

Called it

[wise elbow]

they were only delayed 90 days I think and there's still a 100+ percent tariff on china unless it literally changed today

[grave sundial]

On Friday, they issued a statement exempting some electronics from China.

I can only find said statement reported on one news site, so they might have changed their minds.

Better just to assume you have to pay X bribe at every customs port in the US, from now on.

[wise elbow]

i have no idea why electronics weren't immediately exempt. i don't see finished goods like that being made here for a while

[grave sundial]

Probably because it takes time to explain these things to a dim bulb and have him sign the exemptions.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/news/china-s-new-cable-standard-gpmi-is-challenging-western-connectivity-dominance/ar-AA1CP72K

Something new to remember.

GPMI!

[tough owl]

problem is, those cables will never pass the safety tests to enter western market(or at very least, EU)

finding a typeC cable that safely handles 100W is already rare in EU

[grave sundial]

No worries. You will get it about the same time micro nuclear reactors become household appliances.

[orchid iron]

US gov doing so much stuff news outlets are actually struggling to keep up

Meanwhile a react streamer and his editor casually keeping up with it

[grave sundial]

Check the latest article about the Australian who got deported with his visa cancelled.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, US has become quite deportation happy

But yeah, coming back to hardware, the tarifs for now is 20% which is how it was

Who knows, next week it might jump back to 420% after Elon's request xD

[grave sundial]

No worries. With GPMI, if it takes root, it will attract more tariff.

[orchid iron]

GIMP? The image editor?

[grave sundial]

No. #hardware message

Dis.

[orchid iron]

Ooooh that

[grave sundial]

New flammable cable standard.

FOUR HUNDO WATTS of explosive power!

[orchid iron]

Two of these can power a 5090 safely

[grave sundial]

And steal all your private || p0rn || data.

[orchid iron]

And all your ||furry fanfiction|| data generated by AI

[mighty cosmos]

Been obsessively checking the cable for a few days now since I got the 5090 lol
So far at 500+W haven't seen anything concerning, just mildly warm to the touch as expected

[mighty patrol]

Stay safe! Happy rendering!

[orchid iron]

did you check the temps on touch of the 6 power wires? if there is something wrong, one wire will be way warmer than the others

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah, they are all roughly the same
Probably gonna keep checking it for a while lol

I don't have anything to measure it with, so going purely by how they feel to the touch but I should be able to feel the difference if there was any

[orchid iron]

yeah, derbaur was able to easily tell buy the touch when wires went way above what they were supposed to, so that's smart, just keep in mind your body will get used to heat

[median marsh]

people like BM are the reason nvidia gets away with their pricing...

[mighty cosmos]

If amd decided to wake up and offer close to equivalent performance to best nvidia's offerings at a reasonable price it wouldn't be the case 😅

I had amd cards before where they were able to compete with nvidia's best cards

[wise elbow]

7900xtx when it hit 800 dollars was a very good card if you don't care about ai

[wind egret]

I don't think AMD make or sells enough cards to impact the market at this point. They'd be sold out and nvidia would still be expensive.

[wise elbow]

theyve sold a lot of cards this gen relative to nvidia i believe

[tough owl]

remember that AMD had almost 2 month buffer in stock availability when they postponed the launch last minute, and they still sold out

while nvidia sent whole 5 units of each card to major retailers

and mobile launch was just as bad, people are actively avoiding to buy 50-series laptops

[wise elbow]

also doesnt help that nvidia cards are coated in controversy rn with hardware defects

[orchid iron]

they are making the 5070 available despite the low stock by simply making everyone buy a 9070xt or 9070 instead because of way better prices

UK has dropped prices below msrp

[wise elbow]

5070 is remaining in stock in the US

there just isn't really demand for it

[orchid iron]

I wonder who wouldn't want a 4090 level performance, all thanks the power of AI

[mighty patrol]

With booty native performance

[orchid iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693202242945417247/1359228444222820584/image.png?ex=67fdf7e2&is=67fca662&hm=0a075fab6d135250272ff8a89eadb3f3f0d4abefd79b27e5dde72a50d8c73abc&

[grave sundial]

Tenno!

[orchid iron]

Speaking of GPU, while messing around with drivers on Linux I ended up using integrated graphics of 6th gen intel quad core i7 to run warframe

It somehow runs

On the open world map

[mighty patrol]

Is that a testament to the hardware or the software?

[orchid iron]

Both, Warframe is supposed to be quite the beautiful game, yet it can run on such old hardware, it is honestly impressive

[mighty patrol]

Now for doom benchmarks

[orchid iron]

Doom uses some pretty good Vulkan Rendering, unlike Warframe which uses direct x11 / x12

And also, Warframe uses a custom unreal engine version

[mighty patrol]

Like halo mcc?

[grave sundial]

Warframe has been around for ages, probably since 2010, since the official release date is 2013.

I remember playing the original and then again after four years or so.

It's one of the most optimised games on the market right now.

I bet the Warframe developers know more about Unreal Engine than Epic. 😄

[orchid iron]

They cooked up their own lumen, and it is quite solid stuff

[grave sundial]

Yes. We must raid their base of operations and steal their secret cultivation manuals for spiritual developers.

[fallen oasis]

Steven would never be okay with that!

[tawdry pewter]

he isnt, or?

the face looks concerning

the mouth implies shock

and the shruged nose says disagreement

he should sell garnet

[fallen oasis]

He should turn her into jewellery!

And he said "Damn", not "No!"

He's not okay with it, but he's accepting of it.

[tawdry pewter]

this sounds like some dark spin-off!

[tawdry pewter]

yes, thats right

[orchid iron]

Tarifs are as stable as the stock market it seems

[delicate crystal]

Well he did need a distraction

[fallen oasis]

Tarrifs not even gonna affect the bottom line of some companies tbh. The markup is insane.

[orchid iron]

Why do people ignore first party benchmarks? The manufacturers can't lie about the products because people will find out about the true performance anyways, so they are surely close to reality!

Meanwhile the first party benchmarks:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CQoDGI-itI0

The disappointment T-shirt is already full for 2025, how tf can we fit more? Is it going to be changed into a disappointment set of hoodie and jean ?

[mighty patrol]

Disappointment bulletin board

[median marsh]

here's what i think will happen

it launches at the price of the 9070

and the 9070 will absolutely destroy the 5060

https://youtu.be/0el5OwAKB28?si=rSTWAucYT1LBf1-h&t=1747 the end of this video is gold 😄

[mighty patrol]

Removed by uploader

I literally just watched the end of it was going to go back to watch it and bam

[median marsh]

xD

guess it's because they released it before the review embargo was lifted

[mighty patrol]

lol

[hoary urchin]

@frozen hatch, moving the discussion here since we're talking specifically about M3 hardware.

I run the M3 at its default resolution, which I think is maybe 5K?

It's the Apple "Retina" whatever that means.

On basic projects I'm getting like 60-100 fps

I haven't done extensive hardware profiling, I can't really compare it apples-to-apples with other hardware.

I can tell you the SSD is a little slower than my PCIe NVMe drives I ordinarily use, but it's not painfully slow.

CPU-wise it has been fine to work on.

[frozen hatch]

60-100fps on 5k resolution? I wonder how much would you get with 1080p can you maybe test that?

[hoary urchin]

Maybe? But not today, I have meetings starting soon that will last a few hours 😢

Generally I never drop the resolution below native.

[frozen hatch]

Yes, and you shouldnt, im just trying to compare what dedicated gpu would that chip equate to

also, is the m3's igpu different than the current m4's?

[hoary urchin]

Not sure, but I imagine probably so?

[orchid iron]

@median marsh omg that name xD

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yuuiSmf9ObE

[wise elbow]

5060ti 16gb seems like the only one even remotely worth buying

i have to wonder if itll have better performance than the 5070 in a number of titles due to the increased memory?

[orchid iron]

Already the case with the 4070...4070ti and 4070 super
Doesn't matter how fast it computes if you are in a memory bound senario

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1oHCNcnqXzQ?si=B2vl5P9EmL87Gdxj

https://youtube.com/shorts/T7ZEwqdV5Hw?si=wM6td1iJ0Y2hcmwb

Imagine adding a marketing line like "Full ROPs edition"

[median marsh]

does AMD not produce the 7900 XTX anymore?

the Asus TUF model just vanished from my price tracker

[orchid iron]

Yeah, they stopped a long while ago, but because it was overpriced, there was a tone of stock

[median marsh]

overpriced?!?! relative to the 7900XT or relative to nvidia?!

[orchid iron]

It was like 950$ or smth, and people were meh, imma wait for Nvidia 50 series and the 9070 stuff

The 7800xt sold way better than 7900xt and 7900xtx because at those price ranges, you'd get a 4070 ti super or 4080 super with a little extra

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cskegn1-D7s

The 5040 seems a bit overpriced ngl

[wise elbow]

will be a decent card if it ever drops price

[delicate crystal]

Was told I get a discount at work for laptop and specced this out.

i9-13950HX
128 DDR5-3600
2 x 4TB m2.2280 drives
NVIDIA RTX 5000 16 GB
16 inch screen with 4k resolution

[orchid iron]

Nvidia 5000?
Besides that, what is the price of that? Looks expensive af

[mighty patrol]

Isnt that a quadro card

[nova moss]

Instead quadro card render only?

[delicate crystal]

that's what it had. 5000 Ada if that helps? And ya it's not cheap. 6k CAD

[wise elbow]

expensive as fuck but it's good

[orchid iron]

6k CAD is quite cheap for that sort of laptop
Just don't buy it for gaming 😂

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fX5ujspn1PU?si=NcKdqxiQTxoDGZ16

[grave sundial]

The blessed side-panel has arrived!

Once more shall celestial glassy glory take its rightful place under the fake bonsai tree.

[mighty patrol]

Good

Now baby it

I'm lucky I ordered an extra case 😂 so I have backup case parts

[grave sundial]

We shall hold a grand celebration, by offering a 100 old GPUs and CPUs to the Lord Silicos, Semi God of Conductors.

We shall offer gratitude for no longer having a semi-frozen right hand. 😄

Long live glass! 😄

[mighty patrol]

I got some old amd cards with 1gb of vram

[grave sundial]

🔥

Acer has introduced the Nitro 20, a Strix APU based desktop.

--- The Nitro 20 (N20-100) will be available in EMEA in July, starting at EUR 899. US availability and pricing to be announced closer to local availability. ---

[frozen hatch]

Does anyone here have a base m4 mac mini?

[delicate crystal]

that bad huh?

[wise elbow]

it won't be bad for gaming

i wouldn't really advise getting a quadro though unless you need the extra memory or signed drivers

[mellow galleon]

warframe was even running on mt laptop with i3-2310 and nvidia 5xx card with 2gb memory, 30 fps anywhere other than open world
it got super optimized when they were making handheld console port

[wise elbow]

it's also like a decade old

can run with low graphics and it's basically how it was years ago

[delicate crystal]

Dont know ifnits a quadro. Says nvidia rtx 5000 ada generation 16gb gddr6

[mighty patrol]

Google says quadro

[wise elbow]

it definitely isnt geforce

they abandoned the quadro name i think and just call them rtx

[orchid iron]

It is a pcie 3.0 x16 to give you an idea of how old it is

[delicate crystal]

strange. Why would they put such an old card in a brand new laptop?

unless i'm not understanding things.

Sadly that's the only one ive found that offers that amount of ran, that amount of vram, and onsite support internationally (that part's just as important as the specs)

[mighty cosmos]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-5000-ada-generation.c4152

tho this one is 32GB

[delicate crystal]

jesus. id' hate to see what the price would be

[mighty patrol]

Pny quadro?

You can still find some quadros on the market just labeled differently.

[delicate crystal]

i wonder what laptops you could get hat 32gb card in.

[fallen oasis]

Very expensive ones

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wRwVQTA8iI0

[orchid iron]

don't think less of it, if you want to render things, it'll be incredibly optimised and powerful while also being incredibly efficient...Until you use it for gaming

[delicate crystal]

ya that's half of what i'd need it for, so hence the concern 😄

plus 16gb is 2k in a laptop so

lenovo anyways

there isn't a lot of options for high end laptops it seems

[orchid iron]

@delicate crystal ummm okay, which games do you play

[delicate crystal]

It was more i was looking to do some open world dev in unreal, and i wanted this to be viabld for at least five years. I also do some serious ai and kubenerntes work in my dau job so hence the high end specs

[orchid iron]

should be fine for the job, as long as it is not latency sensitive tasks, it'll handle it with insane efficiency

[mighty patrol]

https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/04/16/synology-partially-drops-support-for-third-party-drives-in-2025-nas-range

This better be fake

[orchid iron]

Article date isn't 1st of april

[wise elbow]

yippee drm for fucking hardware

[wind egret]

The reason for the changes is put forward by Synology as a result of the success of its High-Performance series of drives. It's claimed that this will grant "the highest levels of security and performance, while also offering significantly more efficient support."

If they find it's more efficient to not support third party hardware, it's only a matter of time before they find it's more efficient to not support their own, older hardware.

[delicate crystal]

Theyll probably wonder why theyre losing sales by next year.

[orchid iron]

stocks probably went up

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/evYin-NbJrU?si=CRjnb8-hy2pCtZhI

This looks like my CPU cooler, just remove the tape, use titanium wire and U gucci

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6DxQioAjPVk

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5aOur8aaDJU?si=Pgis17uCUGF11eh1

I remember thee olden days where Graphical Processing Units were used as Graphical Processing Units

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVhq40_k7Y

I love video like these, because if more and more people realise AI can run on potato hardware, Nvidia GPUs will finally be used for gaming xD

[mighty cosmos]

Tbf bitnets are extremely lobotomized
Yeah it will run but if you compare it to less quantized versions there will be some pretty severe degradation with the bitnet

[wise elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/tron-bit-gif-16897231412473566592

[violet spade]

lol so don’t update your driver, again.

https://youtu.be/KrCEPX47vtw?si=FkuWID59JqMbVCuH

[orchid iron]

Just saw it, how tf can Nvidia keep fumbling so hard, it isn't even summer

[mighty cosmos]

vibe coded drivers

honestly... wouldn't be surprised

[orchid iron]

Vibe coded ✅
Vibe compiled ✅
Vibe tested ✅
Vibe deployed ✅

[mighty patrol]

Thanks Claude!

[orchid iron]

Imagine if they wanted to do an ad for AI where they say that for months only people who didn't know how to code made Nvidia drivers so that it showcases the fact you don't have to learn how to code

[mighty patrol]

Time to go spam deep seek and get it to spew out some gpu code

[mighty cosmos]

that's what I thought too lmao

[agile lodge]

nvidia hotfix for issues just came

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/563719/announcing-geforce-hotfix-driver-57615-released-42/

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6AM1PoHT5EA

[grave sundial]

https://videocardz.com/newz/fevm-unveils-2-liter-mini-pc-with-amd-ryzen-ai-9-max-strix-halo-and-128gb-ram

Damn, we are really miniaturising those PCs. 😄

Good stuff. Can't wait for one of these to equal my current desktop! 😄

[mighty patrol]

@grave sundial Need this, https://www.youtube.com/shorts/puxHXjszzbE

[violet spade]

Yeah well I don’t want to

[orchid iron]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/computing-components/why-2025-will-be-an-exciting-year-to-upgrade-your-pc

End of 2025 or early 2026, DDR6 is available

We already have pcie 6

Zen6 might be the last gen of am5, which would make sense why they said it would be supported up until 2027

So perhaps 2027 is release date of zen 6?

[fallen oasis]

Really cool

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CzuusJmklU

[orchid iron]

Found another user benchmark alt account

[wise elbow]

probably not wrong though

[grave sundial]

Is this user benchmark fellow some sort of internet scourge, who exists in all things everywhere and at all times? 😄

[orchid iron]

The thing with YouTube and other hardware article sites is that you'd get a large variety of opinions
Sure YouTubers would mostly focus on gaming, and sometimes doing benchmarks for questionable games like star wars outlaws

But generally if you have a a brain...and know what you want to use the hardware part for, you can look at specific benchmarks in the reviews instead of just ya yeetting the whole thing...

But by far the funniest part of this comment is him kinda admiting the ultra core series is not worth upgrading if you have 12th gen

That's like saying if you are using zen2, it isn't worth upgrading to zen5

[grave sundial]

Oh, I get what he's doing. Just, who is he?

I've read some of you mention 'user benchmark' before.

Was he a troll or something?

[north arch]

https://userbenchmark.com is a VERY intel-biased, VERY restrictive benchmark system

[orchid iron]

User benchmark is a true benchmarking website that offer true benchmarks unlike the YouTubers that have been payed by Advanced Marketing Department

[grave sundial]

OH.

I see.

I know the website.

I thought this was a troller of some kind.

Thank you. 🙂

[orchid iron]

Nah nah, it is a super serious service, even the benchmarking tool is the peak of benchmarks, offering to benchmark the whole pc

[grave sundial]

Yeah. I do find the site a bit cumbersome. Although I think I've only ever used direct links to GPU comparisons there.

---

Thank you, mods. 🙂

[north arch]

just furmark it all

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[median marsh]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08839-w soon we get SSDs with memory speed :>

[wise elbow]

soon ™

[orchid iron]

looks amazing

[violet spade]

With 225% tariffs 😀

[crude forum]

Hello. I'm curious about your opinions.
I'm thinking about increasing my skills while using the 2070 super I have or buying 5070ti..
What choice do you think you'd make?
My CPU is 9950x.

[violet spade]

Do not buy a 5070ti, horrible price per value, Nvidia’s been fucking over consumers lately

A 2070 is plenty to get you going

[crude forum]

really thx

[violet spade]

Np

[orchid iron]

Depends on where you are in the world, some countries get way more screwed than others
But even then you can do a lot with a 2070 super
What do you intend to do with it? Small project, big project, learning unreal engine, etc?

[crude forum]

small project and learning ! but I'm planning to go to advanced level.

I want to try many different things.

[orchid iron]

Oh, then it is perfect, when I was learning I was using an Nvidia 960m (still using it for advanced projects funny enough) and it worked quite well, anything that would drop the FPS would indicate I needed to optimise something, so I used various engine tools to determine what it was, also learned the weight of some features and whether or not they are required etc

[crude forum]

Thank you ! I will build it up step by step from the basics.

[wise elbow]

GPU market is pretty terrible and almost everything is way higher than it should be

5070ti isn't great value (no card is lol) but it's not like there's anything else at that price? the 9070xt was meant to be way cheaper but I usually see 9070xts retail for higher than 5070tis which is just stupid when the 5070ti is a better card

If you eally encounter a hardware limit with your 2070 (vram limit will probably suck after a while) you can always just upgrade later

[crude forum]

Thank you! I guess it was a good idea to ask.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1COU0ZpLQU

Software locked hard drives are real, but good news there's a bypass toms hardware exposed.

[wise elbow]

anyone here know jack about monitors?

buying a 4k240hz oled and wondering if its worth spending extra to get a monitor with display port 2.1 over hdmi 2.1

[mighty patrol]

Dp 2.1 is specifically designed with PCs in mind

If that helps your decision

[grave sundial]

You need a DP port for higher refresh rates. With HDMI ports, there are limitations.

Exact data is available on the monitor's specifications sheet.

[mighty patrol]

Dated but still useful, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218246790873350164/1219661471445684244/How-to-Get-Max-Refresh-Rates-with-Gaming-Monitors-3-2851443607.png?ex=680c4c03&is=680afa83&hm=e1eabc9b9cdd16dfeb95e7d7f09dcfdc560e0a0f901c444d95eed511b1ebd7d3&

[grave sundial]

Pretty much.

Always read the spec sheet for your monitor and the reddit experiences before buying one.

With the latter, you get to understand what cooling solutions and troubleshooting steps you MIGHT have to take in the future, among other things.

[mighty patrol]

This is good to, https://i.imgur.com/pSThnuF.png

[wise elbow]

I understand that dp 2.1 is "better" but I don't really know how

is the display compression actually noticeable?

[mighty patrol]

Certain refresh rate thresholds are more noticable than others

Higher is better

Most people likely won't notice without something to compare to

or if they had something really poor in comparison

[wise elbow]

the refresh rate is high. my only concern is display stream compression

i hear people saying it's visually lossless. any other annoying things about it?

[mighty patrol]

I currently don't have anything running 2.1 so can't speak on that part sorry.

I'm still pretty dated on monitor side

[wise elbow]

yeah I'm going from a 13 year old 1080p TN panel to a 4k240 oled

[mighty patrol]

Didn't hear anything otherwise

Want some Grok info? lol

[wise elbow]

nope

but thank you for asking

[mighty patrol]

It basically said it adds about 0.5 ms of latency anyways

I know you said no, but if that's true its negligible.

Cited from here, https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-display-stream-compression-dsc/

[orchid iron]

Display port is more of an open standard where as hdmi is something you gotta get a license for
Which is why hardware manufacturers would love to favour display port over hdmi
And somehow, with their latest stuff they beat hdmi, so they gotta get good otherwise hdmi will get forgotten

[grave sundial]

HDMI is probably going to get retired, especially if the Chinese successfully export their GPMI/GDMI cable.

Of course, if that cable causes 🔥 , it's a different story.

[orchid iron]

the red dragon flames

Btw, apparently some 50 series models have very elevated backplate temps, like the printed circuit gets around 70-100°C, potentially yet another screw up

And it isnt even close to the power connector

[grave sundial]

🤦

You'd think companies would figure out that it's a better idea to manufacture FEWER models and get the details right.

THAT would probably bring the model costs down AND prevent replacements and recalls.

[mighty patrol]

So glad I skipped this generation

[orchid iron]

You see, the engineers at Nvidia which do the most autistic active load distribution (for reference AMD uses passive load balancing) in order to make their board so absurdly complicated that only they know wtf is going on so that they cannot get replaced, because no engineer fresh out of school would be able to handle the autism that is whatever they did

[grave sundial]

What you meant is that they are so adroit at their jobs, that their genius cannot be comprehended by plebians.

[orchid iron]

Yes, and their genius causes anyone who wants to repair their cards to have the worse time of their lifes

[grave sundial]

This makes sense, since all genius involves a great toil and trouble.

[mighty patrol]

You guys see that kid who made his own laptop on LTT?

[grave sundial]

So, the obvious next step for NVidia is to partner with fire extinguisher companies and offer combo products.

[grave sundial]

Link up!

[orchid iron]

I saw a kid doing that before LTT covered it, so I didn't watch it

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sLQvuLwxQ

It's a frankenstein of sorts he designed his own keyboard etc

W/ bluetooth

All open source

ARM laptop

He's in high school

[orchid iron]

Yup, that's the guy I watched

[grave sundial]

I love how mini-PCs are becoming stronger and stronger in terms of hardware.

[mighty patrol]

Good production

He basically used the NAS setup linus used

But for a laptop

[orchid iron]

Soon, all will be RISC V or a variant of it xD

[mighty patrol]

He has a bunch of job offers

So gl him

[orchid iron]

Nice, he got what he wanted out of school

[grave sundial]

which country is he rfom?

[mighty patrol]

Canada?

Not 100% sure

[grave sundial]

Good, good.
Genius should be in relatively free countries.

[mighty patrol]

Location is space time continuum https://i.imgur.com/iIoDsvD.png

Keyboard lasts almost a year on 1 charge

Like what

[orchid iron]

I loved the part where he ordered mobo parts from random Chinese companies and soddered them on his board

[mighty patrol]

I love random chinese companies

Taobao

If only I could read mandarin

[orchid iron]

Don't worry, sweet Jenson will save you and bring you AI translator

[mighty patrol]

Google translate does most of it

#winning

https://www.taobao.com/

What a great site

[orchid iron]

I got a really good flexibile pcie 4 x16 cable from one of those, let me remember the name

[mighty patrol]

alibaba

[orchid iron]

Nah

[mighty patrol]

I love alibaba

When ever I can afford a solar panel they got me

[orchid iron]

https://www.adt.link/product/M33V42.html

[mighty patrol]

😮

[orchid iron]

I was kinda surprised when I received it because I half expected it to be a scam,

[mighty patrol]

How stiff is it?

[orchid iron]

Bro it is flexible AF

[mighty patrol]

Any noticable latency?

[orchid iron]

No, not really, usual x16 pcie cable

[mighty patrol]

I was going to build a nas soon and may need something like this

Slim form factor

[orchid iron]

I am quite scared of bending near the origin of the cable though, because there is a lot of smaller wires, bending any one of them could be problematic
But anything after that is easy

Just don't bend the cable constantly like any cable

[mighty patrol]

Yeah don't want to strain

[orchid iron]

Funny enough Windus showed me their stuff on Ali express and I was like oh cool, but also it is Ali express, so I found their own website instead xD

And they have way way more different combinations and offerings of cables

[mighty patrol]

Yeah Aliexpress is hit/ miss

I prefer alibaba

Usually a bit "higher" quality

Not quite high

But decent

[orchid iron]

I just do research on the seller before buying, no matter the platform

[mighty patrol]

Best way

Some got some shady sourcing

[orchid iron]

Interesting, the 9060 with 8gb might be phased out really quickly by looking at how much reviewers trash on the 5060ti 8gb

Bad yields saved for a 9050 8gb wouldn't be so bad tbh, slap a 200$ price on it and it becomes quite attractive

[grave sundial]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/amd-rx-9070-gre-allegedly-ready-for-launch-navi-48-gpu-trimmed-down-to-12gb-vram-and-48-compute-units

China exclusive.

[grave sundial]

Who is this Windus person? 👀

---

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/amd-releases-open-source-gim-driver-aimed-at-gpu-virtualization-support-for-mainstream-radeon-gpus-coming-later

I am not sure I understand the benefits of this entirely, but I think AMD is moving towards making its drivers and software opensource.

[mighty patrol]

Moving next week

[grave sundial]

to China?

Try not to get disappeared.

[orchid iron]

yea, I'm pretty sure they planned to make ROCm and a whole bunch of others open source

[grave sundial]

What's the benefit though?

Are they doing a Bethesda and getting modders to fix their drivers or something?

[mighty patrol]

Then they can be like Linux and argue about what programming languages to include and or use.

[grave sundial]

Once you move to China, will you able to use Discord?

[mighty patrol]

With vpn sure

Just gotta not get caught using a vpn

[grave sundial]

You can tie a nano-fibre optic cable to your shoe and take it all the way from Canada to China.

Once you get there, hook it up to your laptop and get Canadian internet.

[mighty patrol]

Exactly

[grave sundial]

🥷

[mighty patrol]

Till they cut my underwater cable

I'll have to hire a militia

[grave sundial]

Fairly sure it'll be draped over and drooping over several buildings and rocks.

[mighty patrol]

Er right the rocks and buildings

[grave sundial]

Plus, you should be fine for a few years until Trump leaves office. China is playing nice with everyone right now.

They'll leave your cables alone.

[mighty patrol]

China likes Canada

[grave sundial]

Just bribe the police with maple syrup.

[mighty patrol]

Start a new heist

The next Maple Syrup Heist

[grave sundial]

a new redistribution of ~~income ~~syrup for the good society, you mean.

[mighty patrol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Maple_Syrup_Heist

[grave sundial]

I can totally dig that.

In Japan, people are stealing melons, peaches, and oranges.

[mighty patrol]

Almost 1.3 million worth of syrup

Lol

[grave sundial]

And yet, NO ONE is raiding the bloody crypto mining farms.

[mighty patrol]

Isn't there a country that grows fruit trees for everyone to just pick

[grave sundial]

There are GPUs GALORE sitting there, just waiting to be 'heisted'.

[grave sundial]

The Republic of Poortania?

Povertinian Kingdom?

[mighty patrol]

Nvm it was a place in germany

Andernach, Germany: Public gardens and orchards since 2010, offering free produce to residents and visitors

[grave sundial]

lovely.

Do they offer free GPUs?

[mighty patrol]

Nein

[grave sundial]

That'd be dandy.

[mighty patrol]

Oh

There's one in China too

Beijing

and a few in the states

Beijing, China: Supports urban food forests and edible city projects, part of the Edible Cities Network

[grave sundial]

Noice.

Make sure you don't pick the plastic fruits.

[mighty patrol]

But those have the most flavour

[grave sundial]

https://goodereader.com/blog/technology/introducing-figment-worlds-first-gaming-console-to-come-with-e-ink-display

🤔

Refresh rate.... is my concern.

[mighty patrol]

Is it cardboard?

[grave sundial]

Probably plastic top.

The rest seems to be aluminium or more plastic.

--- The Figment is a far cry from the usual game consoles of its class, which boast a high-resolution LCD or OLED screen with a high refresh rate. ---

Huh.

[mighty patrol]

1 title?

[grave sundial]

No, it has Sudoku, Chess, Minesweeper and many others.

[mighty patrol]

Ah

I just saw d&d

[grave sundial]

I thought the whole benefit of e-ink was the low refresh rate reducing the strain on human Mk1 eyes.

[mighty patrol]

Mk2 when

[grave sundial]

So, a high refresh rate would negate those advantages no?

Mk2 releasing in 2026 with brain chip.

I can't believe the Chinese company, TCL is still business.

Theirs was the FIRST smartphone I purchased and boy, was that a long time ago!

I still have that phone in a box, I think, with the lithium battery swollen from charging in unstable Indian electricity.

[mighty patrol]

Spooky

[grave sundial]

Cheaply spooky

[mighty patrol]

At least it never caught fire while charging

Never had that either but I heard of people who have.

[grave sundial]

Samsung!

🔥

[mighty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-smoking-hot-on-fire-angry-mad-gif-8233902307301077349

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Remarkable-Starter-Bundle-Original-Built/dp/B08HDL3XJR

I think I'll buy this in the future.

AFTER a drawing monitor.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O_tL7JJOBFw

Mind blown by this

[grave sundial]

Fun times. You'd assume they'd streamline the drivers after awhile, or at least refine one or two driver releases to resolve these issues, but.....

[fallen oasis]

It's just bloatware. Of course it's going to get bad.

I'm getting a new laptop shortly. I may stick a copy of w10 '21 iot on it. See how it does.

[grave sundial]

I doubt anyone'd notice, actually. The video talks about 600-700 FPS. Do you actually see that? I can understand differences between 30 and 60, but above that, I doubt the mk1 human eye experiences anything different.

[fallen oasis]

I mean, I'd also just like to not have cortana and copilot hamfisted into the ui.

Reduced telemetry, etc.

[grave sundial]

Sure. I bet 'people don't notice' is part of the reason they never bother to refine the software.

[fallen oasis]

100%

The average joe or business joe won't give a shit.

[grave sundial]

Yeah, people can argue numbers, but NVidia can always shrug and say, "Show me you play better at 600 FPS."

[fallen oasis]

What if you've got a shitty gfx card/cpu and you're actually got the difference between 30 and 60 fps?

[grave sundial]

NOW, things MIGHT change once brain chips become a thing and HumAI start competing professionally.

[grave sundial]

Then you get Todded.

God Todd, "Starfield is optimised. Get a new PC."

[fallen oasis]

People named Todd are just arseholes.

Universally.

[grave sundial]

They're also rich though, and can sell remakes that are janky and earn hundreds of millions of dullars!

[orchid iron]

The video showcases sometimes the old version perform better on a 5090, sometimes they perform worse

Sometimes on a 9070xt they perform better, sometimes they perform worse

Very inconvenient meaning they could be driver issues, because all the windows versions tested are enterprise so they don't have ads

[visual mauve]

is there an sdk for it?

would be cute to make something on an ereader psp

[grave sundial]

No idea.

[grave sundial]

If the sdk exists, it's probably in Chinese.

[mighty patrol]

Alienware case looking insane, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkmZjC_likE

QR codes that teach you about the system lol

More interested in that gpu brace tbh

[grave sundial]

Ngl, I like my Fractal Torrent better, because of how much empty space I have.

I like minimalism. But, that is a nice looking case.

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nTQqcAMcJrY

[mighty patrol]

Cleanup is a pain

[undone laurel]

Hello, actually I wanted to ask currently which laptop is best for handling Unreal Engine 5? (I already have Alienware 32 GB RAM, RTX 4070) but UE5 often crashes on it. Any suggestions?

[orchid iron]

Likely software issue, what is your CPU, RAM, GPU, VRAM usage before crashing?

[undone laurel]

Alienware M16 R1 model Intel i9 13th gen (13900k), 32 GB RAM, RTX 4070 8GB

[undone laurel]

I never checked but it takes a lot only I suppose

[orchid iron]

How long have you used this computer?

[undone laurel]

Oct, 2023 brought.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[orchid iron]

well it may be a software problem, it may be a hardware problem, it can be both, man what could go wrong with a 13900k

[orchid iron]

out of curiosity, is your warranty still valid?

[undone laurel]

No

[undone laurel]

That only. Dunno what is happening

[orchid iron]

The 13th and 14th high end models were known for having excessive voltages and power draw, and turns out, they couldn't handle it in the long term, making them degrade faster than normal, essentially they were high failure parts compared to the 12th gen
One of the symptoms of that is frequent Unreal Engine crashes

But it might be unrelated to your case, and worse case scenario, you could apply some settings to reduce power draw and voltage values if that's the case, but hopefully it isn't

[hoary urchin]

@undone laurel you could try: (A) update BIOS; (B) disable any/all overclocking configs you or Dell may have created in the BIOS (After update, Reset to Factory Default BIOS).

[undone laurel]

I think it's related only like whenever I play any game also.....the lag.... I can't describe...like while using UE5 and for playing games..... something always feels non optimised. Like intel or nvidia .... it's either of them not working well with each other or something

[undone laurel]

Already did that. This instance I am telling after doing all these things only

[orchid iron]

Do you get crashes while playing ue 5 games?

[undone laurel]

Like while developing itself, laptop will hang, Unreal Engine will crash..... repeat run sometimes

In starting it will be smooth but as soon as I try filling scene with assets or foliage , it will crash badly

[orchid iron]

Well you can play unreal engine 5 games like Fortnite for a few hours and if you get a "out of memory" or "out of Vram " error then the culprit is the CPU
But if you don't, then it is likely a fixable software issue

[wise elbow]

that laptop is more than capable

probably some power savings bs

[grave sundial]

@undone laurel Go into your Power Options / Power Plan, and select High Performance. If that option isn't available, create a Custom Power Plan and set all the settings to Maximum, downtime to zero (for hard drives and PCIe), etc. etc.

Then, try your usual software and see if it crashes.

Also, set the auto-sleep, auto-display switch-off, auto-hibernate, etc. to NEVER for on-power and on-battery.

If you have any MSI software on that laptop, disable it while using UE.

With these settings, try running the UE 5 engine/games with the laptop plugged-in AND on-battery (not plugged-in). Let us know if it crashes.

[delicate crystal]

how does a RTX 3080Ti comapre to a 7900 XTX?

[orchid iron]

depends on the workload, what do you have in mind? UE and gaming? With or without rt / AI things

because in raw performance, the 7900 xtx beats the 3080 ti by quite the margin, like 10-30%

[delicate crystal]

ya that' what I figured.

So was asking as I was pricing out upgrades (64 to 128gb ram, 256gb to 4tb hard drive, 8gb 1070 ti to 7900 XTX), and found a system that would give me most of those upgrades, plus upgrading the process from a threadripper 1920 to a 3970X, but had a 3080Ti vid card, for roughly the same price as the initial upgrade price

[orchid iron]

if it is about 700-750$ for the 3080ti it is quite the good deal

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrlCBkCLWA

[wise elbow]

quickly reach the limit of the thermal conductivity of water lol

[delicate crystal]

Well its 1600 for tge whole system so theres that. If it goes through probavly look at selling tge 3080ti and getting tge 7900 xtx

[wise elbow]

yeah 7900xtx is a lot better

since youll have the 3080ti tho you can always determine if its sufficient for your needs

[undone laurel]

I have played Fortnite before, but didn't come across this error but when I try some other heavy games like COD, the lag is prominent and heavy work on UE5 also the same, it will crash

[undone laurel]

I will try this and let you know

[undone laurel]

Still if you guys had any suggestions on better laptops that would be great. Meanwhile I will try fixing the Alienware issue

[undone laurel]

Is this normal?

[grave sundial]

That's 84C and quite high.

If you have a blower handy, then blow the dust out of the laptop through its vents.

Blow it out from all sides and then check the temps.

If that doesn't lower the temperatures substantially, then the thermal paste has probably worn out and needs to be changed.

How old is this device, by the way?

[orchid iron]

Since it is set to high performance, you could try the other way and set it to power save

Because looks like the CPU and GPU are likely thermal throttle themselves in order to avoid death

[orchid iron]

He said Oct 2023

[grave sundial]

2023? If he hasn't cleaned the laptop, then it's probably clogged.

The laptop's shutting down to avoid burnout, most probably.

[orchid iron]

Yup

[grave sundial]

Chinese blower ftw! ✊

Reverse those attachments and you have a very unwieldy, but useful vacuum cleaner. 😄

[orchid iron]

Have you used it before?

[grave sundial]

Yes. I've had it for several years now.

As good as the day I bought it.

However, when you reverse the attachments, you kind of have to keep hold of the dust pouch when it's on the blower hole, because at least in mine, it doesn't fit securely, so there's a chance a high blow setting will blast the pouch out of the blower. 😄

[orchid iron]

Lol

[wise elbow]

that's a really good laptop and I don't know why you'd upgrade if it's only like a year old

if you do anything, buy a desktop

[undone laurel]

I'm not discarding Alienware, it will be my primary only, just looking for another better laptop.

[undone laurel]

This is after turning off high performance mode

[undone laurel]

Alright

[grave sundial]

Yeah, those are high CPU temps.

Hopefully, blowing the dust out of your laptop will make things better.

Otherwise, you'll have to open it up and change the thermal paste.

[tough owl]

it's good to check up front before opening laptops nowdays, many higher end models come with liquid metal as default

if you want gaming laptop to run cooler just reduce the CPU max power down to like 65W

you don't lose any performance but it doesn't try to draw 100W every time windows telemetry sneezes in the background

[undone laurel]

Will just go to service centre to get it right

[undone laurel]

Also please tell this

[orchid iron]

Anything above it would be high end enterprise laptops
Honestly you are set for at least 5 more years if you manage to keep the temps to an acceptable degree

Have you tried setting the power profile to "balanced"?

[mighty cosmos]

It depends on the CPU, for something like 9950x, even 92C is perfectly normal under full load, because it boosts as much as it can, so no matter what you throw at it, it will reach high temps

[orchid iron]

the 9950x has moved the temp sensors, so add like 7°C and it would be the displayed temps from zen4

[short bramble]

Hello guys !

What do you recommend me for cooling my CPU (i7 or i9), air cooler or water cooler ?

I read that water cooling can have a lot of failure compared to air cooling.. any advices ?

I'm using many big softwares like Maya / Zbrush / Substances / UE5 etc.. so I need something that can cool my CPU very well and if possible avoid too loud noise

[wise elbow]

i7/i9 cooling requirements are very different

and what CPU would it be?

water-cooling isn't unreliable but it definitely can fail way sooner than a air cooler can (which is basically never)

[short bramble]

The i7-11700KF CPU

[wise elbow]

what case do you have?

a nice sized air cooler is probably all you need for that cpu

[short bramble]

My PC actually have a water cooling but after 1 year my CPU is getting hotter and hotter each day..

[orchid iron]

air cooler, use a thermalright peerless assassin 120 evo

[wise elbow]

i doubt it's an issue with the cooler

you can take the block off of your CPU and repaste it

will likely only cost a few dollars and will make it like new

what's the cooler?

[short bramble]

When I boot my PC I got a message "CPU overheating, please check your water cooling is firmly attached"

[median marsh]

oh they can... had a gpu die like that most likely

[wise elbow]

that's rare though. water coolers aren't even rated for use past like 6 years

[median marsh]

didn't knew that before, why is that?

[short bramble]

it's a "MAG CORELIQUID 120R"

[wise elbow]

pump failures usually

[orchid iron]

if you never moved the cooler and it randomly got hot slowly, it is possible the AIO got filled due to a factory issue

[median marsh]

yea, i was never a fan of the pumps on the actual cpu which pretty much every AIO does

[short bramble]

Yes I already sent it back to constructor and they told me they have replaced my AIO cause the old one had factory issue, but now I got the same issue.. and I'm tired to send it back to constructor every time

[wise elbow]

do you hear the pump turn on when you start your PC? Does the radiator fan work?

[orchid iron]

check if it is installed properly and check thermal paste, if it still doesn't work, another constructor issue

[short bramble]

Yes the fans work and I hear the pump, I also feel like mini vibrations when I touch the pump

[wise elbow]

that's also a pretty small aio though for an i7 it's probably fine

[wise elbow]

agree

when you remove the bit attached to your CPU, the top of the CPU should be fully covered in a goop

if it isn't, then whoever built your PC didn't attach the cooler right

[short bramble]

So maybe the issue is not the cooler ?

[orchid iron]

could be, but first check how it is installed

[short bramble]

Because when I'm in idle state, only on the Desktop, my PC makes a lot of noise (due to fans) and my CPU temp is at 70°C

[short bramble]

But it only happened after 1 year, first year it was "ok"

[wise elbow]

whatever paste they used could have dried up

you'll know when you look

[short bramble]

So I have to remove the pump over my CPU to check the thermal paste ?

[orchid iron]

that is some really bad paste if it went that bad after just a year

[orchid iron]

only if you are comfortable with it

[short bramble]

Normally how much often I have to change the paste ?

Every year ?

[orchid iron]

2-3 years, longer for better pastes

[short bramble]

Do you have recommendations of good pastes ?

[orchid iron]

thermal grizzly duronaught

[short bramble]

(I was thinking about buying a new AIO cooler from Corsair, but I'm wondering if it's better to just use Air Cooler..)

[orchid iron]

but make sure it is well installed, because if you remove it, you'll have to clear the thermal paste, even if you just applied it

[short bramble]

So I have to buy the thermal paste grizzly before removing it

Because if I remove the pump to check the thermal paste, I will have to clean it

[orchid iron]

yeah, but a tube of 1g should be enough for 2 pastes

[short bramble]

On Amazon I saw "Thermal Grizzly Duronaut – 6 g" for 20$

[wise elbow]

thermal grizzly expensive as shit

[mighty cosmos]

Have you checked that the radiator isn't clogged with dust

[wise elbow]

likely wouldn't affect first start temps at desktop

[wise elbow]

arctic makes relatively inexpensive paste

[short bramble]

But I want something quality and that can last in a long time

[short bramble]

Yes I removed all of the dust

[wise elbow]

it's just paste. they will all act the same...

unless you get mega cheap crap

[orchid iron]

if you want long lasting, don't go with AIO, because more elements can fail, where as, if an air cooler fails, it is usually just the fans, and they can be swapped without removing it, plus with the cpu you have, it'll be fine

[short bramble]

So why some will use Water cooling ? For which case ?

[mighty cosmos]

Hmm
Asking because the side underneath the fans (if the fans are pulling through the radiator) likes to clogged

[orchid iron]

they use water cooling because it is just better than air cooler, offers way lower temps, but their weakness is price to performance and also not as long lasting as just a big metal thing with fans

[short bramble]

Because my PC is an already built PC from MSI, and it had this AIO inside it by default..

[orchid iron]

well, at least it is not expensive AIO at all xD

[short bramble]

Ok it's better but a lot of failure..

Yes it looks like a very poor AIO lol

[orchid iron]

thermalright phantom spirit 120 evo is really good for its price, and if you don't like rgb, you can go for a black version

[short bramble]

I never used water cooling, it's my first attempt to use it, but I don't have really goof experiences with that since it had a lot of failure..

[orchid iron]

at least most failure don't lead to leaks, and if they do, they have non conductive liquid, so it is fine if your components get wet from it

[short bramble]

Does it make lot of noise or is quite silent ?

[orchid iron]

you'll barely hear it

[short bramble]

At least yes, you're right, but I'm tired of seeing my PC getting hotter month after month until it stops working and I have to send it back to MSI for changing the water cooling pump..

I already did it 2 times so now I'm thinking about just install another cooler myself

[orchid iron]

yeah, it sounds like either the thermal paste is failing or the pump is getting clogged

[short bramble]

Each time I sent it back, they told me that the pump had an issue and they changed it..

[orchid iron]

lmao

[short bramble]

So the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO or some Corsair ? Which brand is the best for cooling ?

[orchid iron]

thermalright is known for having very good price to performance

[short bramble]

(That's why I'm tired of water cooling, too much issues..)

I don't have problem with price, I just want performance

[orchid iron]

Noctua NH D15 G2, is what the best air can reach

Noctua is known for high price and high quality

[wise elbow]

absolute overkill for a i7 lol

[orchid iron]

ikr xD

[short bramble]

So with the Noctua NH D15 G2 I can run the most powerful CPU existing with low temp and low noise ? I don't need water cooling for the most powerful CPU ?

[orchid iron]

basically

[short bramble]

So I really don't understand the use of Water cooling as they have too much failures

[orchid iron]

but is overkill in your case and has worse price to peformance

[short bramble]

Yes but it will last minimum 5 years, right ? And it's 150$. So 150$ for 5 years is worth it I guess

[orchid iron]

normally they don't fail so often, your pc's aio was probably among the cheapest so it makes sense it failed so much

[short bramble]

And the people who got very powerful PC / Workstation, do you think they use AIO or Air cooling ?

[orchid iron]

for this one, you'll have it for 8 years minimum, the company offers free hardware adapters to make it be placed on future motherboards

And also comes with one of the best thermal paste for free

[orchid iron]

either AIO or custom water loop

only very few would actually use air coolers

because some workstations have over 64 cores running very hot, so the insane amount of heat generated can only be handled with water cooling

[grave sundial]

PoWaHH!

[orchid iron]

YEAHHHHHH

[grave sundial]

I realized a few days ago that I can actually slap on a third fan there. 😄

[orchid iron]

ikr! that's so cool

[short bramble]

Thank you so much for your advices !

So after all of that, what do you recommend me ? Quality Water cooling or basic air cooling ? I'd really love have very low temp and very low noise

So maybe water cooling from Corsair.. what do you think ?

[grave sundial]

Quality air cooling.

[orchid iron]

if you really want extreme quiet, go noctua

[grave sundial]

I have eight fans in my Fractal Torrent and the only noise I hear is the USB fan cooling my monitor OUTSIDE it.

[wise elbow]

what's the biggest aio you could fit?

[short bramble]

You mean budget ?

[wise elbow]

no, size

cases have dedicated mounting points for them

[short bramble]

I guess my case can have 120, because it's the size of my actual water cooling

[median marsh]

yea that's the smallest one, fits even in my pocket...

you would probably want at least a 240, better 360 one

[orchid iron]

that's some big pockets, can I have the same xD

[median marsh]

so check your cases data sheet

[grave sundial]

That's why his computer is hot.
His AIO is cooling your pocket. 😛

[median marsh]

gotta cool deez nutz

[grave sundial]

twue.

[short bramble]

I have to change my case or can I set a 240 in my actual case ?

[grave sundial]

What case do you have?

[median marsh]

you should know

[wise elbow]

if the biggest it'll fit is a 120, don't bother with buying a new aio

you will get better performance out of a air cooler

[orchid iron]

having a good case with good ventilation will be very good for temps of all components

[wise elbow]

(assuming you can fit a big dual tower)

[median marsh]

i would go for air anyways

[short bramble]

My PC is MSI MAG Codex X5 11TE

I don't have the size of my AIO or case in the description

[median marsh]

idk how hot these i7's get, but my 5950x is fine with air and it's rare that it really has to use all cores to get to a point where i hear the fan. just get sure that the heat get's out of the case

[grave sundial]

Classic or Luxury?

[short bramble]

Classic

[grave sundial]

https://www.msi.com/Desktop/MAG-Codex-X5-11th/Specification

[short bramble]

But it does not tell me if I can buy a 240 or not

[orchid iron]

if you can barely fit the AIO you have into the case (focusing on lengh) then it can't fit anything above that

120 stands for 120mm which is like 1 fan, 240mm is 2 fans, 360 is 3 fans

[short bramble]

So if I can't fit a 240mm, it's not worth it to buy a 120 AIO

My AIO is only 1 fan

I have 2 fans on the top but not linked to my AIO/CPU

[grave sundial]

Your case is ever-so-slightly smaller than my fractal torrent.

[orchid iron]

they are for small form factor, they are not worth investing into if you aren't using a compact or budget build

[grave sundial]

It's a mid-tower ATX.

You can fit a 240 liquid cooler in there, or a dual-tower air cooler.

[median marsh]

the question is if it has proper mounts for it

[grave sundial]

Fractal Torrent - 544 x 242 x 530 mm
MSI MAG Codex X5 11th - 195 x 514.8 x 466 (mm)

[median marsh]

just because your case wasn't designed by an idiot, doesn't mean that all cases are 😄

[grave sundial]

He can fit a dual tower air cooler though.

And that'll be more than enough for his CPU.

AND MSI itself has a tech support for that CPU for a 240 AIO.

So, I think it can.

[short bramble]

Dual tower air cooler or a Noctua NH-D15 G2 ?

[orchid iron]

@short bramble what GPU do you have and is it getting warm?

[orchid iron]

the noctua is a dual tower air cooler

[grave sundial]

I was about to say.....

[short bramble]

RTX 3080 and in idle it's 56°C and while working it's 80°C

[orchid iron]

yeah, consider getting a better case

[short bramble]

Oh ok sorry lol

It's hot for a GPU ?

[orchid iron]

yeah xD

[short bramble]

I think it's not normal to have 56°C in idle

[orchid iron]

yup

[grave sundial]

I bet it'd be better if you shifted to fans.

Instead of AIO.

[orchid iron]

it is not at dangerous levels, but not ideal

[short bramble]

Even if it was build my MSI, I can change the case relatively easy ?

[grave sundial]

Actually... Lab's right, I think.

I am looking at pics of this case, and it isn't built for fan cooling.

[short bramble]

Do you have some good cases recommendation ?

[grave sundial]

I am a loyal fan of Fractal cases, now.

I myself have Fractal Torrent.

Their customer support is AWESOME!

[short bramble]

Ok thank you, and I need a big Fractal case

[orchid iron]

you'd have to disassemble most of the computer, so only do it if you are comfortable with it

[short bramble]

Yes I already built many PC's from scratch

[orchid iron]

perfect

[grave sundial]

Yeah, this case wasn't built for fan cooling.

One-way intake and limited space.

[orchid iron]

this case wasn't build of cooling period xD

[wise elbow]

where the fuck does the air come from

[grave sundial]

@median marsh You're right about idiots designing cases.

[grave sundial]

See that space next to the glass panel? That tiny space?

[short bramble]

So to resume, I need : Thermal Grizzly Duronaut
Noctua NH-D15
Fractal case (big)

[median marsh]

you mean the massive air intake?

[short bramble]

Yes the cool design is very very bad..

[wise elbow]

god you don't need a new case

[median marsh]

but my case isn't better either in that regard

[orchid iron]

the case is something personal, I'd reccomend doing research about the designs you like, lian li makes some really good cases too

[wise elbow]

it's an old CPU, don't rebuild the whole thing just for a cooler lol

[short bramble]

I don't really care with design, I only want performance

Ok so I don't need a new case, so just thermal paste and Noctua ?

[wise elbow]

you have an i7, you can slap any cooler on there that isn't low profile and it'll be fine

[orchid iron]

thermaltake cte c750 is my personal favourite, complete overkill, and probably too big, but I like having space (it can even fit workstation computers in there xD )

[short bramble]

But it's better to buy the Noctua if I'm planning to buy a more powerful CPU after ?

[grave sundial]

Noctua is good. Thermal Assassin is good. There are many good options.

[wise elbow]

if you plan on getting a better CPU like an i9 or Ryzen 9 I would just buy a aio at that point

[median marsh]

noctua is overprized

[wise elbow]

^

[median marsh]

get a "clone"

[short bramble]

But I'm very afraid of the AIO because of failures.. Air coolers seem more stable

[median marsh]

thermaltake makes them, bequiet (also they are almost at noctua price range), and however silentiumpc Endorfy

[grave sundial]

🤷 In your case, they seem very unstable.

[wise elbow]

they are arguably insufficient for modern i9

I'm going to guess that the aio is mounted somewhere that's causing the pump to die

[orchid iron]

in your case, budget wise it would be good to use thermalright (also the cooler has a pretty good thermal paste for free) and a lian li, fractal or thermaltake for 100-150$

[wise elbow]

yeah whatever cooler you buy will come with paste

[grave sundial]

You can then slap three fans to the top and one fan to the back of the case, to suck hot air out.

Although given the position of the GPU in that case, I wonder how much of that air will reach it.

Anyhooo, it should be better than the temps now with a failing water cooler.

[short bramble]

Yes I guess everything will be better than what I actually have for sure x)

[grave sundial]

Is this how the inside looks?

[short bramble]

But Lab told me to have a new case for my GPU temp

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, for sure, shitty AIO with shitty design case

54°C idle GPU temps aren't normal imo

[grave sundial]

Yeah. 34-36C on idle here.

[short bramble]

Almost. The AIO is linked to the other fan which is alone

[grave sundial]

Oops. I lied. 33C.

[orchid iron]

that's a 20°C difference from a different case

[short bramble]

You think my GPU temp is just the case ?

[median marsh]

he... i got 53 with barely load, too 😄

[grave sundial]

and with high load?

[median marsh]

but fans are off right now

so it's not active cooled until it hits a threshold

[short bramble]

So recommendation for Fractal case ?

[median marsh]

i think around 75-80

[grave sundial]

Cool...

[grave sundial]

From me, most certainly.

Awesome sauce company.

[short bramble]

I really need performance, low temp, low noise, last long

[grave sundial]

Well, first, change to the noctua air cooler and fans.

See if that makes a significant difference, before changing the case.

That way, you spend less.

[short bramble]

But the case is for the GPU also

[median marsh]

how are we at noctua again? 😄

[short bramble]

I guess the Noctua will not impact my GPU temp

[grave sundial]

Okay, fine. Ben Air cooler. Happy? 😛

[orchid iron]

they are the peak for air cooling after all xD

[short bramble]

Yes and 150$ for 8 years is really worth it lol

[grave sundial]

Worry about the GPU later.

Let's see how the air cooler AND other fans work together.

[short bramble]

Ok so :Thermal Grizzly Duronaut
Noctua NH-D15

And I remove my AIO, I throw it, and I install my Noctua instead of that

[orchid iron]

you don't even need the thermal grizzly right away because the noctua comes with one the best thermal pastes

[short bramble]

right ?

Ok so just the Noctua atm

[grave sundial]

Remove the AIO. Yes. Don't throw it in the garbage. You might need it to cool a hamster on an electricity generating wheel.

[short bramble]

Hahah

I'm really traumatized with AIOs x)

But for now I will use Noctua as Air cooler seem very stable

[orchid iron]

Noctua NH-D15 G2 that G2 is quite important

[short bramble]

G2 is for the double thing you said earlier ?

I found it Noctua NH-D15 G2 HBC

[orchid iron]

there are 3 versions, get the standard

[short bramble]

Is it good ? And will it fit in my case ?

This : https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-Ventirad-Standard-Polyvalente-Recommandée/dp/B0D5B6MXJF/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dlNUorxg8z-h7aPKG6U-_T15S3dX5OxbRzraHUvDY1ItGZOhhePB_SkYC3ylLk_3B2ONimod-iQ8q0JW2WsaJj-46aDDvzdhLmTyZ8DhyCAkavlmvdUWoocPXLdR-T-XOAV-QMqJ8AS2nRKmx1a04xsKIv2ynZTMOaU0FunC42soCjRSdZNViWTiIHgedu3mepP92ZkjvXQHY3XyNu7dGgWI6giQBYXCK_WQNQgWcInakj8C7guUP6bmOt1U4SAHpx_RYtAP1WZ9-5-V8NMQvPfvzDl_y06tk-dhTn63tuI.x44C2DMF6sA1PpYg_ZXoXtZBiVJg-Gx2MZsP6igf0pk&dib_tag=se&keywords=Noctua+NH-D15+G2&qid=1745779651&sr=8-1 ?

[orchid iron]

yup

[short bramble]

And the size is good ?

[grave sundial]

Your case is 195mm.
Noctua is 168mm.

[wise elbow]

make sure it has mounting hardware for your cpu

[grave sundial]

It'll fit.

[wise elbow]

it might not clear your ram

also

just plugged in a 5080

i thought the 12vhpwr complaints were just redditors failing to plug a cable in

no

no no no

the cable is a troll

[grave sundial]

If it doesn't clear your RAM, you have to mount the fan next to the RAM slightly HIGHER than the other fans, to provide clearance.

[wise elbow]

thats a crazy amoun to spend on an air cooler

and thats coming from someone who owns one

[short bramble]

It won't clear my RAM ? What do you mean ?

[wise elbow]

the cooler is a massive block of aluminum

it sometimes isnt high enough to not hit your memory and be uninstallable

[short bramble]

So if it does not fit my case and touch my ram.. I have to buy another case?

[grave sundial]

No.

You have to mount the fan higher.