hardware

[mighty patrol]

Standing desks looking good

[grave sundial]

Hai!

I am thinking of adding one to the side.

But, I have a private gym.

SO, I can just work out there and get back to sitting work. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Hell yeah

[grave sundial]

Took awhile to put that together.

[mighty patrol]

There was a brand I saw that even sells their own treadmill

[grave sundial]

BUT, it wasn't expensive.

Hehe. I bought a real bicycle and hooked it up to a trainer. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Nice

Also a good idea

[grave sundial]

I forget how, but it was cheaper than buying an actual exercise machine.

[mighty patrol]

Treadmills require upkeep

[grave sundial]

Although, I can't speak for prices these days.

[mighty patrol]

Take them apart clean them etc

Oil the belt

[grave sundial]

Eww.... no.

I refuse.

They shall clean themselves or just rust.

[mighty patrol]

Bike way easier

Chain breaks just replace it

[grave sundial]

How do those break anyway?

Like automatically, or from impact?

[mighty patrol]

Wear & tear

[orchid iron]

what are other maintenance tasks of a treadmill?

[mighty patrol]

oil belt

[orchid iron]

because I'm thinking of getting a set up like Linus Torvald or Josh strafe

[mighty patrol]

I watched eletroboom talk about his

He had to replace the motor in it also

[orchid iron]

I see, seems fair

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTdZFEQPn8

[orchid iron]

yeah!!!

thanks

[mighty patrol]

Also shocks him

Because it builds friction

Lmfao

[orchid iron]

huh?

[grave sundial]

did it electrocute his fat though?

that's the right question.

[mighty patrol]

He lost weight

So I think so

[mighty patrol]

Because he wears shoes

So it rubs on the belt

[orchid iron]

ooooh

now I understand why Torvald was wearing socks

[mighty patrol]

Makes sense

[grave sundial]

This is why we have doggies and hamsters, with appropriate shoes for each species.

You make THEM run on the treadmill to confirm safety.

[orchid iron]

for real

I call them "the shadow whisperers"

[mighty patrol]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/c3/a1/2dc3a198ae5d64a3b6b71df0e28e777d.gif

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-gif-21557874

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-you-cant-see-me-gif-9625705

[fallen oasis]

I always get John Cena confused with Michael Cera.

Also, I am very sad that I was shot down when I suggested that my friend call her triceratops plushie Michael Ceratops.

[grave sundial]

looks at Daekesh suspiciously

[fallen oasis]

It's the name, you fool!

[grave sundial]

sus, extremely sus

Btw, I learnt that there's a John Cena mouse - hardware.

[fallen oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-chicken-horse-uch-triceratops-dance-gif-13746361768984548764

Hush, Michael Ceratops!

[grave sundial]

dinocist.

[mighty patrol]

Oh yeah this seemed bad. https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/01/microsoft-advertisers-phished-via-malicious-google-ads

[grave sundial]

Someone call their mummy, Moogle and tell her to discipline her kids.

It's silly that these two corpos are going at each other. It's been what, two years since they started this tiff?

[orchid iron]

Lmao

[viral seal]

There is a Bios update, not sure if it mentions anything about the gpu switching, We're going to revisit this to see If we can get a better solution than just disabling the intel gpu in the bios.

[tough owl]

there should be option for it in the control software

or option b) use the windows graphics settings

unreal editor has always had its issues with laptop graphics, just gotta do the extra steps to work around them

[grim forge]

hi im new here Im looking to get into the environment designing area as a hobby. Im not planning on using lumen or anything too crazy for AAish environment designing so should i get rtx 3060 or rx 6700xt.

[plush turret]

i have the 12gb 3060, its fairly good as long as your willing to wait a little for shader renders

you can generate pretty much any scene with anything that can simply run unreal, the only difference really between the 3060 and 5090 for that would almost certainly be only how long it takes

[grim forge]

so 6700xt also works?

please check your dms

[plush turret]

yeah, ask any questions here, im not gonna answer something simple in dms

cause otheres here who know more than my noob levels can properly correct anything i get wrong

i am primarily a project manager

my rig is capable of using unreal so i can load the projects my team makes and so i can double check against final needed results.

as for scene setup, rendering for specific uses, and other specific things, i am not the one to ask

[grim forge]

i just had a simple question

can 6700xt make stuff like this no lumen

[fallen oasis]

You can do anything with anything. Whether it renders at 1fps or not is the question.

[plush turret]

or 0.0001 fps

i once made an 8k x 8k map to render a mountain view

nearly killed my poor mx250

took 56 hours of rendering to get it

[orchid iron]

the 6700xt has DirectX 12 Ultimate (12_2) so it can use Lumen fully to my knowledge

the difference between cards that don't have ray tracing cores and have ray tracing cores is just the speed at which it compiles the rays

[plush turret]

i think they dont want to use lumen

[orchid iron]

yeah, I figured, but I have no idea why he doesn't want to use it, so if he changes his mind he knows he can use it on both the 6700 xt and the 3060

[plush turret]

yeah lumen is nice

[orchid iron]

ikr

[plush turret]

i personally dont use it a lot

but its nice to know its capable

and its VERY useful in space games

where lighting and such really make things pop

[open lintel]

if on booting pc shuts off immediately after a second or so, what could be the problem?

[fresh fog]

Do you post? Are you able to see the BIOS? Is the shutoff after you've logged on?

[orchid iron]

@open lintel

[open lintel]

it doesn't reach bios. just loses power after nearly a second as i press the start button

[fresh fog]

is this a new system?

have you changed hardware recently? Or was it working, and now it isn't

If it's suddenly changed, my first guess would be that something has broken.
If you've installed new hardware, check it's properly seated

[orchid iron]

Alright, it could be a number of things, but first clear CMOS and change the ram slots of your ram sticks

Also what CPU do you use? @open lintel

[open lintel]

very old cpu, fx6100

[orchid iron]

Fair, have you tried the recommendations above?

[orchid iron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693202242945417247/1340719223328215130/Screenshot_20250216_171920_Firefox.jpg?ex=67b36194&is=67b21014&hm=6f104416eadda2aaaaea8b1427d0895600caeb397d806f5c79195627bbef76d0&

Any 4090 and 4080 owner should probably cap their max power draw to around 300 watt to avoid spontaneous combustion

[naive cloak]

they should be sued for this!

[median marsh]

the real crime is the connector / wiring

i don't think that it's reasonable possible to load balance on the gpu

the same problem exists with the old connector, it just wasn't that obvious because it had more spare room

[north arch]

did he use inline or magnetic current meters, and one by one or all pins at once?

with perfectly matched resistances

[orchid iron]

a 5080 tested by a youtuber was shown to properly load balance...I'm pretty sure they weren't following nvidia guidelines though xD

[mighty cosmos]

Some AIBs are adding their own protections as well

[orchid iron]

Honestly should be marketing point:
"4090 OC Load Balancing"

[naive cloak]

I think Asus Rog Strix cards have this

but it will be cheaper to just buy new house...

[naive cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gFATycKb9Fg

hold on to your melting connectors there is more

🤣

[grave sundial]

Just you wait. Nvidia will soon release LBX 1000, the one-of-a-kind load balancer mod for your one-of-a-kind RTX graphics card. It'll be priced at $1,000, with a $500 warranty contract.

[orchid iron]

Like this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qt4RhFwTMhw

[grave sundial]

Yes, but more pristine like a proper mech.

[median marsh]

and it will be powered by AI

[grave sundial]

until you run out of VRAM; then it will crash and your GPU will explode into TWO GPUs, thereby doubling your purchase value.

[white horizon]

ouchie

Hopefully Unreal/Rider will stay satisfied with that much

[wise elbow]

many monies

[orchid iron]

Wait until the 256gb kits come out, or you may regret buying that xD

[wise elbow]

just keep on waiting!!!!

[white horizon]

Eh doubt it'll happen

waited a while for 2x64 kits and they don't seem to be coming

[mighty cosmos]

Wonder what speeds you will get, I don't think that 5200 is gonna happen
Because I had a loooong struggle to get 4800-5000 with 128GB

[white horizon]

I grabbed this set on purpose - 5200 is supported if I'm lucky and get a specific lot with Micron chips

and my 7950X decides not to be a dick to me

& the motherboard as well

if not, probably 4800

[white horizon]

bruh

this is in my bios update notes

guessing that might actually happen

[orchid iron]

Yeah, there were news of Asus boards testing kingstone 64gb memory modules earlier this year
So we should get them this year if they are already in the final testing phase
(Not like it is anything new or revolutionary, servers had 256gb modules for a long while so 64gb isn't that big of a deal)

[white horizon]

rip

ah well, not like 192 isn't good

[orchid iron]

True, you'd also have to wait until next year until all compatibility nonsense gets sorted out

besides you'd also prefer to use 256gb on zen6 over zen 4 and 5 because they both have the same memory controller
||cough cough 24 full zen cores incoming||

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4hxa2TjWY

Remember the leaks that said the price for this would be below 2000$

Remember the leaks that said it would be between 1999-2499$

We forgot it was Nvidia

2499$ was the average price of the 5080 that you can find near you

[mighty cosmos]

I basically ended up going with the highest end motherboard (asus x870e hero) you can find for the 9950x in hopes of being able to OC the memory and 5000 is the fastest I could get with dual rank modules
So curious what you will be able to achieve

I could get like 5500 to boot but ended up showing errors when doing 24H mem tests

[white horizon]

Hoping to get Micron chips

I'll let you know when I receive the RAM

[mighty cosmos]

K 👌

Yeah I'm really curious

[mighty cosmos]

Oh just checked, got some bios updates for my board as well

[white horizon]

Yeah i got the same ones

I'll update when the RAM gets here

[mighty cosmos]

Fffff I don't feel like ordering a new set of memory

[orchid iron]

As mentioned previously, it'll probably take them a year to make sure as many 256gb kits are as stable with as many am5 motherboards, and to get maximum stability buying the upcoming zen6 CPUs with new motherboards may be better, so at that point it'll be a full system upgrade

[delicate crystal]

blah more waiting 😦

[orchid iron]

ikr

I'm waiting until we use light instead of electricity to make calculations

[mighty patrol]

For real currents so slow

[orchid iron]

Ikr, we gamers complain about latency all the time, 10ms is unplayable

[agile lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lag-cat-walking-not-moving-forward-gif-15348457

[orchid iron]

for real for real

[grave sundial]

I have decided to switch to 1GB RAM sticks and experiment with them, to develop 12000MHz speeds.

[orchid iron]

hopefully it'll be ready for ddr20

[grave sundial]

Then, I will stick 256 sticks on my motherboard.

POWAAH!!!! ✊

[orchid iron]

you could just buy a threadripper with over 1GB of L3 cache and disable all cores except one very overclockable ccd

[grave sundial]

No, no. I want to create the lego of motherboards.

The new company I found will be called LVidia.

And we will ensure that 'assembly' attains a whole new meaning.

Of course, with 256 RAM sticks on your motherboard, you have to stick your other components on top of them. So, proper, creative, AND attractive assembly styles become possible.

[orchid iron]

will you use RISC or CISC instruction sets?

[grave sundial]

Now, if you are truly creative, you will create a cascading waterfall to cool your entire system.

CISC of course.

All LVidia products are meant to be complex.

[orchid iron]

ayyy, that's a chad move

fuck arm

same with RISC V, too simple

[grave sundial]

The greatest benefit of LVidia will be that once 1TB RAM is developed, you can install 256 sticks of those instead of your 1GB.

You can even arrange them in a T and B shaped group.

[orchid iron]

256TB of ram?

[grave sundial]

Indeed.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-5057141

[grave sundial]

You won't be allowed to run Windows, Linux, or PoopOS on a LVidia PC, however.

We'll have our proprietary OS, called LOSS.

[orchid iron]

that's why we need lower latency, we must believe in the light to carry the information

[orchid iron]

what does it stands for?

[grave sundial]

LOSS will automatically set ALL your RAM sticks to 12,000MHz and if any of your data can't be retained while processing at such speeds, it will be deleted.

Of course, all your data will be stored on said RAM, so that it can be LOST more.

[grave sundial]

^

Given the modern and future attention spans of 0.5 seconds, we don't think our loyal users will miss their data disappearing occasionally.

[orchid iron]

Losing Operating System Sanity ?

we give operating system dementia

[grave sundial]

We will leave it an open-ended question.

Indeed.

In fact, the only game you can play on LOSS will be catch-the-data-before-it-gets-deleted.

This will train future e-sports gamers by forcing 5-year-olds to achieve high APMs.

[orchid iron]

awesome game, great graphics 10/10 would reccomend

[grave sundial]

SOMETIMES, this we can't guarantee you understand, your data will jump OFF the RAM stick as it is being deleted.

It might look like a rat, but if you manage to catch it, it will be restored.

[orchid iron]

we must catch it irl with a magnetic reciever to place it back into the system

[grave sundial]

before it swims out of the PC via the waterfall that is cooling it.

[orchid iron]

true

[grave sundial]

This is deleted data that jumped off.

You can download service packs to colour your data however you want.

Of course, LVidia will run Unreal Engine 10.

No previous versions will be supported.

[mighty patrol]

Need more os like Alpine Linux

[grave sundial]

This reminds me that someone has developed an alternative to Win OS with Linux distro. It looks almost exactly like Win 11.

Ah.

[mighty patrol]

Lindows

[grave sundial]

Zorin.

[mighty patrol]

Ah

[grave sundial]

I wish. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Bring back Lindows

[grave sundial]

Of course, just like Windows, Zorin has a PRO version it charges for. 😄

[mighty patrol]

The linux drama right now is interesting

Someones trying to add Rust to the code base

and is not having a good time

[grave sundial]

Is that a bad thing, or a good thing? Adding Rust?

[mighty patrol]

Can be good

Windows uses rust

Afaik

But the way it's going about is causing drama

and people arguing

[grave sundial]

🤔 Does it improve Linux?

[mighty patrol]

Basically would add parts of rust people refer to often apparently

So they don't have to keep adding it themselves

🤷

[wise elbow]

nothing wrong with rust, it's just another language

[mighty patrol]

The issue some devs had was they didnt want cross-language stuff in the code base

Want it kept as C

[grave sundial]

ah

That'd be a problem, yes.

[mighty patrol]

But the rust guy made some good points too so

[grave sundial]

Well, they can create a new distro - Rinux.

[mighty patrol]

It could speed up some processes

That's basically what they told him lol

[grave sundial]

If it does work, he could create Rinux Pro and charge money for it.

[mighty patrol]

Even Linus pipped in

[grave sundial]

'cuz, why not?

[mighty patrol]

Basically was fine with it if it wasnt surrounded by drama lol also didn't see the real need for it either but wasn't really against it seemed.

I guess the creator of the rust side wouldnt even take corporate funding

[grave sundial]

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/indian-startups-being-offered-last-gen-end-of-life-gpus-in-indiaai-mission-report/ar-AA1zge9v?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=de0b93ee01b44614928f31ebfdf24b0f&ei=44

NVidia reportedly looking to screw Indian AI startups.

[mighty patrol]

smh

But they sell china h800

[grave sundial]

Not surprised, to be honest.

BUT, I think Indian AI techs should just call AMD and get them to make better offers.

Theirs will definitely be CHEAPER, for sure.

[mighty patrol]

I was looking at ai chips last week

Not for a while yet

[grave sundial]

The Strix?

[mighty patrol]

All pretty pricy still

[grave sundial]

Oh sorry, I said AMD.
I meant, Radeon.

Get the GPUs from ATI instead of Nvidia.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-strix-halo-ryzen-ai-max-395-matches-the-ryzen-9-7950x-in-leaked-geekbench-benchmark-16-core-apu-rumored-to-power-asus-upcoming-rog-flow-z13-laptop

[grave sundial]

Yes, I saw the benchmarks of the Strix.

I LOVE IT.

[mighty patrol]

Yeah should be pretty good

[orchid iron]

I forgot, is there a desktop strix halo?

[grave sundial]

The communication on that is crap.

I've no idea why AMD is bad at marketing.

As far as I have investigated, there're Strix laptops.

I haven't seen AMD say that it'll REMAIN that way.

[orchid iron]

Because we have the 8600G and 8700G, if we could get the 10900G that'd be amazing

[grave sundial]

I don't see why not, honestly.

I think NoobCube was saying that you can mount the Strix on an ITX motherboard or something.

At $1,000, if they make those widely available, they'll dent NVidia's gaming market share bigly, I think, in the mid-range consumer market.

Sorry, $1,000 is for the whole laptop. The processor is probably cheaper.

[orchid iron]

Yeah, a laptop ITX mobo I think, but gotta deal with sussy BIOS

[orchid iron]

I mean, a 24 core zen6 CPU would probably be around there

[grave sundial]

But, does that Zen6 CPU come with cool Radeon 8060S sandwich?

[orchid iron]

The Zen6 APU is looking to beat a lot of GPUs

[grave sundial]

Noice.

Cheap gaming FTW!

Shatter Nvidia.

[orchid iron]

Even though its strength is CPU power

Nvidia 10p cores and 10e cores against AMD's APU line up will be interesting

Also fun fact Media Tek (mobile CPU designer) is moving from P cores and E cores to PP cores and P cores set up because of how much bloatware phones have, draining battery too fast

[grave sundial]

I want U cores for Unreal.

[orchid iron]

What would they stand for?

[grave sundial]

Unreal.

[orchid iron]

Me and my homies using Unreal Cores

[grave sundial]

nothing fancy. They light up your CPU cabinet and computer room with cool Unreal logo neon lights.

also, this is the important bit, Unreal won't crash when using U cores.

Even if it wants to....

Core Compulsion Stability skill level 100.

[orchid iron]

Lmao

[grave sundial]

No Epic cabinets, though.

Must be banned.

Fab fans..... might be ok.

We need tree shaped CPU cabinets.

'cuz why not?

It'd probably look like a Minecraft model, but still....

[orchid iron]

Tree shaped CPU circuit prints would probably be very cool looking

[grave sundial]

All we need to do is get them to emit oxygen and we're good to go.

🤔 The fans could be part of the branches and trunks.

[orchid iron]

True facts

[grave sundial]

not quite what I had in mind.

[mighty patrol]

Just hook it up all to mycelium

Endless power

[orchid iron]

"My PC isn't potato, my power source is"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZjXYxk_qRs

I have a 120mm 4000 rpm server fan, should I use this heatsink with it to cool my 5950x xD

[fallen oasis]

What's the T for?

[wind egret]

Might be thickness.

[median marsh]

or rpm?

[wind egret]

The A9 is listed in the video as 92x14T and the actual fan is 92mm x 14mm

still no reason to add the T

[fallen oasis]

14rpm fan would be a bit shit.

[median marsh]

yea seems to be way slower

but there are server fans with >10k rpm

[plush turret]

if you want real fan power...

[delicate crystal]

And a quick way to lose hearing

[naive cloak]

with 10k rpm they will have to bolt servers to the floor so they dont fly off 🤣

[north arch]

speed !=pressure !=airflow

[plush turret]

use one of these

I actually had my builders setup a really high flow air system in my office

[orchid iron]

That looks scary for my hears xD

[plush turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tornado-siren-gif-23779826

[orchid iron]

https://www.arctic.de/en/S12038-4K/S12038

I have this thing, goes at 4000rpm, 120mm and 38mm thicc

but most importantly, it has a mini fan at the center to cool the motor

Airflow
106 cfm | 180 m³/h

and the thermalright heatsink has a version in full copper, which looks sick without paint

oh wow, spec sheet doesn't even include the sound lmao

I'm also thinking about plugging this into the CPU water pump pin

[wise elbow]

fanception

i recently bought an arctic p12 max for a radiator and I've been really happy with it

has pretty high max rpm and isn't very loud (even though I hardly even run it)

[orchid iron]

ikr, people would think the artic max fans would be loud, but if they don't often run at their max they won't hear it

[wise elbow]

it's about as loud as one of my Noctua even though I mounted it like a chud

[orchid iron]

watch out, there might be noctua fan boys people with differing opinions here

[midnight kernel]

awwwww yeee, nice turbo!

[grave sundial]

All the eight fans in my CPU cabinet were rumoured to have high decibel levels on internet reviews, BUT there's nothing but a low hum with the Fractal case absorbing a lot of the noise.

The USB fan sitting on the table generates more noise than those eight fans. 😄

[north arch]

pitch matters more than volume to most people's sense of noise

[forest jay]

Need a new router I want something vpn compatible currently eying asus options. My current provider in the uk for internet offers a really bad one for our symetrical 1gig fiber which on it currently through wifi I get like 200 up and down and I’ve been getting random outage not sure if that’s because of the router or service yet but plugged to ethernet I’m at 950. so I need to replace

Any model/make suggestions ? 🙏

[devout pendant]

damn!!! can a power surge, oscillation, affect the mouse? Yesterday there was a thunderstorm and the PC rebooted, shut down, 4 times. I'm noticing that the mouse's left button is double clicking at wild

[wise elbow]

i guess it's possible that a surge could, though I think things other than the mouse would be having a defect?

sounds more like there's gunk in the mouse or that it's just going bad

is it by chance a Logitech mouse?

[orchid iron]

Is your pc grounded? (Connected to a plug with ground)
Either the mouse is on its way out or your motherboard is slowly giving out, try your mouse on a different pc and see if it has the same behaviour, because if it works on another pc, that means your pc got some permanent damage

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhtVic3Vm0Y

[wise elbow]

it actually seems like a "decent" card if you can get it at msrp

[orchid iron]

He said he spotted a board partner selling at over 1000$

[wise elbow]

Asus being assus

[agile lodge]

the jayz spotted some are listed near 1000$ one 99cents over 1k$

[violet spade]

Yeah I was just watching that. Tbh with the predatory pricing, trash specs and paper launches I went from considering buying a 50 series to not at all

[orchid iron]

Idk wtf they are doing at Nvidia, their opponents gave them a clear way to make massive sales, but they completely missed the opportunity while also having that shocking issue

[violet spade]

They figured they’d take advantage of the monopoly to do maximum price with minimum effort. Classic corp story lol

[orchid iron]

Looks like AMD will have an easy time taking market share back, at this point I might as well go full conspiracy and claim that Nvidia and AMD are working together to make it seem like Nvidia isn't a monopoly by making this gen have bigger sales on AMD's side

[violet spade]

Well they’re not going for high end anymore and according to GN AMD’s latest price model is Nvidia -$50

[wind egret]

Nvidia: drops some market share out the back of the delivery truck
AMD: "You can have this back. I don't want it."

[gilded condor]

I'm upgrading my pc to this build, does anyone have any suggestions for improvement or things that may need to be changed? https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7cfn9C

[orchid iron]

the fans and the cpu cooler, have you thought this through?

[orchid iron]

and if you want to buy the 4070, consider waiting until amd releases the 9070 and 9070xt cards that all have 16gb and out perform the 4070 at probably same price, the price is to be announced

it is like a few days away

[gilded condor]

?

[gilded condor]

thanks, ill have a look

[white horizon]

If you're doing Unreal I wouldn't go AMD

The amount of times coworkers have had weird obscure editor crashes that nobody else had because they were the only one with an AMD GPU is pretty high

[orchid iron]

that's a software thing though, not a hardware problem

[white horizon]

Still, if you're serious about using Unreal I'd go Nvidia for that reason

May not happen but it has a few times, enough that I don't go with AMD GPU wise for any game dev workstation I help build

[orchid iron]

because of niche software problems that may be resolved?

[white horizon]

If you hit one, you're at Epic's mercy. Either they fix it, or you enjoy trying to fix it in the engine if that's something you can even do.

Enough to put me off AMD GPUs for game dev.

Even though outside of game dev I do recommend them a lot

[orchid iron]

that's a fair argument, but I've also seen way weirder unreal engine bugs in the past

[white horizon]

Oh there are for sure, just that I don't even remember ever having an nvidia only crash

[orchid iron]

all depends if people want to pay the green tax xD

[white horizon]

for sure

I paid it with my 4090 and I haven't looked back since, but the prices do be crazy

[orchid iron]

5090s being sold in buckets of crap is so wild

[orchid iron]

is it the 4090 FE or a partner model?

[white horizon]

FE, went for a custom watercooling build

[orchid iron]

be very careful then, they are known to NOT properly load balance the power through each wire

[white horizon]

It's been running fine for 2 years so far

[orchid iron]

how much power does it usually use?

[white horizon]

But yeah I've been careful with the cables

Not much, not full draw for sure. The only time I get it to full draw is with furmark or another stress test

opening up a game to get an actual number sec

[orchid iron]

yeah, around 300 watt is safer because it reduces by how much the overload on the cable can be, might wanna switch the cable soon though, just in case it may be on its way out

[white horizon]

I used another for about a year

This is the original one now so it should be fine

Pacific Drive, max graphics

so I should basically be fine

I don't do GPU intensive stuff outside of Unreal filling up the VRAM

[orchid iron]

that's good

[white horizon]

I do have a cablemod 180 adapter

Had to because my case is p much cramped and the cables can't bend against the glass

It is the most "dangerous" point of failure atm so I have been keeping an eye on it

Considering they have been recalled, I just can't run the PC with the glass panel removed hah

But I made sure that it isn't being strained by the cables & since I'm not pulling max draw I doubt it'll melt

[orchid iron]

kinda wild the cable mod situation would of never happened if the 4090 had per pin power checker and balancing

[white horizon]

I wish they stuck to the regular connectors

[orchid iron]

same

[white horizon]

at this rate I'll take an external power supply for the GPU over 12VHPWR

[orchid iron]

or at least older more thoroughly tested connectors that are used to carrying high power

[white horizon]

yeah

[orchid iron]

you know the laptop power cables? Those with bricks on them? Yeah just plug taht in the GPU

[white horizon]

i'd rather plug in more cables than risk burning down my PC lol

yeah that's what I meant with external power supplies

I'd take 18 pin or 24 pin gpu connectors over 12VHPWR too

I just don't want to have to stress out about burning down my PC/house

especially with how expensive it is lol

[orchid iron]

yup

thankfully the nvidia high end cards don't have weird and niche software issues with UE

[white horizon]

yeah that's why I always recommend them

Like sure they're overpriced af but you're less likely to run into issues

[orchid iron]

man could you imagine if they had niche issues while also having such a picky connector, that would be aweful xD

[white horizon]

I really hope someone takes Nvidia's crown GPU side

As unlikely as that is

[orchid iron]

risk V GPUs may be interesting, more competition potentially coming

[white horizon]

fingers crossed

[mighty patrol]

Like the 4090 ROG strix

https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4090-o24g-gaming-model/

[mighty patrol]

Nvidias old ray tracing dev for gpus works for intel now so maybe one day.

[white horizon]

hope so

[orchid iron]

Hopefully the new Intel CEO refreshes the GPUs to make them actually be good

And who knows octane coming back would be the cherry on top

[mighty cosmos]

pretty nice looking

[white horizon]

yeah, took 2 weeks to build but it was worth the fingercuts

3x360 radiators, 10 fans total

[mighty cosmos]

it looks really nice but I always just go with AIOs because custom water loops are a pain when you have to take anything out 😅

[white horizon]

oh for sure

Maintenance is a bitch with this

And moving. Moved from France to Canada and I will never ever move to another country again while I have this PC hah

If I ever have to I'll probably just re-build it from scratch with soft tubing and a smaller case

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzrt_3JUxU

I don't like what big companies are doing

[mighty cosmos]

599 for an outdated brick lol

[naive cloak]

they probably did inventory check and found out that they have a lot of old parts so they made this phone to clear the inventory...

[wise elbow]

700 dollar 9070xt is dead on arrival lol

[orchid iron]

how would it die?

[fallen oasis]

It seems to be the nvidia stuff that's worse per price point there?

[wise elbow]

it likely won't be as powerful as the xtx but we'll see. so it would be competing with the 5070ti. at 50 dollars less, no one would buy it

I don't think that's the price it'll be at though

hopefully it's closer to 550-600

[fallen oasis]

See I was thinking that the performance of the 5070 was where it is in the graphic.

[orchid iron]

the 9070xt is right below the 7900xtx so it is technically competing against the 5080 at less than half its price

699$ is really the highest they'd realistically charge, and even then people would buy that over whatever nonsense nvidia is pulling, and once nvidia drops prices AMD would also drop prices

this is why AMD dropped the prices of the 7900xt and 7900xtx, the 9000 series will crush them in price/performance

[median marsh]

and probably in power consumption, too...

AMD often only reaches 50% of nvidia fps/watt performance

which for powerusers can accumulate over the years, so it may be smarter to pick the $100 more expensive nvidia over the AMD because it will use less power over the time

[orchid iron]

how expensive does the power have to be in order to make that statement?

[wise elbow]

even where I live in the US, a 100W difference , 8 hrs a day, 365 days a year results in about 55 dollars

so 3 years and you might as well have bought Nvidia

not counting any other benefits

[orchid iron]

You forgot to also take into consideration that Nvidia GPUs also take power to operate

So, let's say that somehow an AMD GPU uses twice as much power as Nvidia counter part

1st year
AMD 55$, Nvidia 27,5$
2nd year
AMD 110$, Nvidia 55$
3rd year
AMD 165$, Nvidia 82,5$
4th year
AMD 220$, Nvidia 110$
5th year
AMD 275$, Nvidia 137,5$

So assuming that somehow the price difference is 150$ with the questionable paper launch, it would take a minimum of 5 years (assuming that AMD has a garbage efficiency, and that you wouldn't undervolt it) to regret your decision

[wind egret]

A 7800XT is ~67% as efficient as a 5070 Ti. A 6800XT is 51%. (- Techpowerup)
The prices on those aren't any more comparable than the peak performance.
A 7900XTX is 80% and comparable in perf, but it costs more. Then again, it's also in stock.

[orchid iron]

In my region the 7900 xtx is the same price as a 4070 ti

I know Europe isn't the best when it comes to electricity prices, but when the price difference between a 7900xtx and a 5080 is 1000€, like forget the electricity bill xD

I can buy a second 7900xtx xD

Or another PC

[wise elbow]

yeah the amd gpus are behind in efficiency

[wise elbow]

i mean the 1000 euro difference between those two is entirely artificial

IMO dont care about efficiency until you get to the 4090/5090 range

a 5090 would literally cost 300 dollars a year to operate for me

not even counting cooling my room, lol

[orchid iron]

Someone here said their 4090 usually runs at about 230 watts average (stock)
What is your cost for each kWatts?

[wise elbow]

it does factor into the AMD value though. another reason why they have to be significantly cheaper than nvidia for anyone to even consider swapping

[wise elbow]

19 cents a kWhr, slightly above the US average

i was going off of rated power for 4090/5090 which is like 400 and 600W respectively i think

only a few games push them that hard though

[orchid iron]

Really don't think the average consumer cares about power efficiency because the 13900k and 14900k sold well before the whole degradation thing

[orchid iron]

Yeah, if workloads push them to 200w/300w respectively that's a different story

[wise elbow]

unfortunately the "average consumer" is not a radeon user

i think its still only like 10% of gpus

[orchid iron]

If Nvidia will move to making AI GPUs, perhaps AMD can just swoop in and take the gaming space

[north arch]

I'm $0.137

[orchid iron]

I'm 0.22-0.25€

[north arch]

ouch

[wise elbow]

eh, AMD would have to make a really compelling product for the price. HOPEFULLY the 9070 and 9070xt will be less than 600$ and perform very well

[orchid iron]

EU moment

[wise elbow]

nvidia is just such an established name. a 5070/ti is only bad when compared to the previous generation. in an absolute sense (if around msrp) it is still very good

[orchid iron]

(insert established company name that went bankrupt or that nobody remembers here)

[topaz trout]

Hey guys! Got a hardware question for the group. Got a set of DDR5 as a gift that matches my current RAM speed (5600MHz). However the timings and voltage are different for the two sets. Seems like the XMP settings don’t default to the slower RAM so I can’t just enable XMP profile 1 and be on my merry way.

I’ve been trying to do some research on manually modifying my DRAM config in the bios to the stats of the slower RAM but still failing to boot after.

Is there maybe something I’m missing that also needs to be changed? Here’s what I’ve modified so far:

• tCL, tRCD, tRCDW, tRP, and tRAS now match the 46-45-45-90 on the slower ram
• Set DRAM frequency to slightly lower than the 5600MHz speed on both sets (did 5200)
• DRAM voltage looks like it’s already 1.1v which seems to be what’s listed on the slower RAM

[mighty patrol]

It should use the slowest timing available if you use 2 different dimm sets.

[white horizon]

Also 4 sticks is (generally) unstable

It can work at full speeds but it highly depends on the motherboard & CPU combo

& you would need a set of matching sticks all the way

[wise elbow]

i think intel generally has better luck with higher clocks and tighter timings

and yeah there should definitely be a matching profile between the two

[north arch]

enron, worldcom

[orchid iron]

put one set of RAM on one channel (the 2 ram slots on the right) and the other set of RAM on the other channel (the 2 ram slots on the left)
Makes working with 2 different sets way easier

[orchid iron]

with the latest intel gen yeah, they can go above 8000 with the new CUDIMM, but for any other CPU series, I wouldn't recommend it unless you really want the capacity

[mighty patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1iuo8r1/nvidia_geforce_rtx_5090_spotted_with_missing_rops/?rdt=35832

The 5090 drama keeps getting better

Now there's missing Raster Operations Pipelines from 5090s

The issue is not limited to a single manufacturer, as affected cards from Zotac, MSI, Gigabyte, and Manli have been reported.

[grave sundial]

They had better replace the defective cards.

Otherwise, I see a class action lawsuit in the future.

[mighty patrol]

I hope people just sue them

Nvidia been slacking for a while

Maybe it will snap them back to action

[orchid iron]

Do you know how little percentage of money Nvidia would lose from lawsuits? Probably not much at all xD
The better thing would be to go exclusively AMD, Intel or potentially a new competitor so that they won't have your money anymore

[mighty patrol]

Not wrong but hey

Hope is intel picks up the slack

[orchid iron]

same, I don't care who it is, but just get a proper competitor to nvidia's GPUs

for the nearest future AMD is going with a chiplet design and with x3D technology in their GPUs, let's see how that goes ig

[mighty patrol]

Need a cheap ai chip

Please and thanks

[orchid iron]

https://tenstorrent.com/hardware/wormhole

specs are at the bottom of the page

[mighty patrol]

Oo affordable

[orchid iron]

ikr, for the same price of a 5070 Ti you can get a high end AI GPU of this company

[mighty patrol]

From Taiwan

So you know its good

[orchid iron]

yup

[mighty patrol]

Got this on my watch list, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wZng5fqsTo

[orchid iron]

same

[grave sundial]

But if you get paid $1,500 as part of a class-action lawsuit, then you can afford a medium range RTX 60 series.

[orchid iron]

sometimes she gets swept up by the hype of projects that may or may not come to fruition, so I don't watch her too often, but when it comes to more recent news that's a good source

[mighty patrol]

Ye

[orchid iron]

I don't think I want to get up against one of the richest company's lawers tbh xD

[mighty patrol]

Why not

[grave sundial]

Oh, you don't have to.
Whoever the litigating party is, they'll take care of it.

[orchid iron]

oh yeah that's fair

[grave sundial]

But EVERYONE who is part of said lawsuit, directly or indirectly, gets compensated.

It's happened before.

I forget the company's name, but they paid all their customers $100 for some privacy/code violation.

Many customers were surprised to receive e-mail notices to accept the $100 payout. 😄

[mighty patrol]

I mean a bank had to do that too

[orchid iron]

lol

[grave sundial]

One of my senior citizen American friends who used to live in my town, got such an email.

She confirmed the lawsuit and got paid. 😄

She told me she wasn't even aware she had been cheated. 😄

[orchid iron]

noice

perhaps one day GN will share how a class action lawsuit is going on and those who own a 4090 and the 6 people who bought a 5090 can get benefits

[grave sundial]

Meanwhile, the US Supreme Court has dismissed NVidia's security lawsuit dismissal plea.

Your dismissal is DISMISSED!

AND they have also greenlit the crypto investor lawsuit against them.

👀 Intel announced the next arc lineup. CELESTIAL gpus.

[mighty patrol]

Oh 910b by Huawei

[grave sundial]

What's with Intel? Aiming for the heavens?

[mighty patrol]

Oh yeah

Celestials going to be good

Maybe competition

[grave sundial]

Apparently, the Xe3P architecture will let them make their own chips.

Or some such.

[mighty patrol]

Nuttier than squirrel shit

[grave sundial]

But, 🤔 what if they are cursed by God?

[mighty patrol]

Good

[grave sundial]

For violating the Mandate of Heaven?

[mighty patrol]

Three body problem will come true

[grave sundial]

Thou shalt not name thy GPUs in vain.

[mighty patrol]

The creator will be the one to face the wrath

If that series / novel taught me anything

[orchid iron]

that'd be awesome if the new CEO plans to make this series
1.be actually profitable
2. made by intel fabs

because funny enough, while the Intel designer company is in flames right now
The intel fabs have actually been doing okay profit

[grave sundial]

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/gpus/amd-strix-halo-apu-benchmark-leak-is-getting-me-excited-for-the-future-of-laptops-heres-why

Meanwhile....

[orchid iron]

the trump administration will heavily favour on country fabs, this is intel's big comeback moment

[grave sundial]

I hope Elon replaces all the government computer CPUs with Strix APUs.

It'll give AMD a massive boost and I'll be a happy camper. 😄

Plus, unemployed government workers can now enjoy 2.5K ultra quality gaming without shelling out for an expensive GPU.

[orchid iron]

I listened to a podcast of someone who works in critical government infrastructure, and he said there is no such thing as government laptops buying specifically more intel than amd, if anything they try to balance it out to make sure a company doesn't become a monopoly

so the bias may mostly come from Dell, Hp, lenovo etc that have less availability of amd products

[grave sundial]

Yes, but we are in Elon Land now.

It's about Elon's biases for the next couple of years. 😄

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, let's see what he'll cook up

[grave sundial]

What if we tell him that the Strix APU enhances his flamethrower by 50%?

[orchid iron]

honestly, I'm more expecting him to do his own chips in intel fabs, and compete with intel, amd and nvidia

[grave sundial]

Hmm... X-chips?

[orchid iron]

call it the Tesla X CPU

with X-cores

[grave sundial]

https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-flow/rog-flow-z13-2025/spec/

128GB RAM. 😄

[orchid iron]

about time

[grave sundial]

Also, the resolution is called 2.5K, apparently.

Good to know. I am NOT going to type WQXGA everywhere. 😄

2.5k sounds way better.

Noice.

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[naive cloak]

some RTX 5090 missing ROPs 🤦‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

[grave sundial]

#hardware message - You're late. Pay royalties.

[mellow galleon]

it is weird that everyone blame only nv, the vendords who got those chips and shipped them without testing (i dont believe vendors wouldn't notice) are to blame too. but instead of stricting up checks they simply put things to the market

could be just internal nv-vendor talk but

at least it is not a cirtical thing like breaking bridge chips

[tough owl]

this doesn't feel right, +7% over 4060 at half the power consumption?!?

ah, seems to be mis-reported TDP value, benchmarks say it does go +100W

[agile lodge]

windus must pay royalties to jensen

manufacturing defect for 5090/5090D and 5070Ti cards 5% of them have ROPS defect

[orchid iron]

So you have a 5% chance to get fucked, nice

[agile lodge]

https://fxtwitter.com/JayzTwoCents/status/1893128651748843642

[naive cloak]

so it affected

https://tenor.com/view/leon-the-professional-norman-stansfield-every-one-every-thing-ryuko-gif-25654661

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nD0yntiVtk

Okay so, soonTM we get Nvidia RAM standard

Because clearly they make great standards

[naive cloak]

so we will have RAM sticks shortages too?

[grave sundial]

I hope they just integrate it into the GPU.

RAMPOO.

I mean, RAM-PU.

[orchid iron]

You forgot about the SHAM standard, meaning we could have the SHAMPOO standard

[grave sundial]

Rambo Shampoo.

RS-1 standard.

👍

[mighty patrol]

Cyborg cockroaches could be the search-and-rescue workers of the future

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/04/cockroach-robots-not-nightmare-fantasy-but-science-lab-reality

[median marsh]

what the fu...

[wise elbow]

cyberbug

[naive cloak]

"search-and-rescue" 🤣 they will get into our homes and spy on us

[orchid iron]

I never expected to see this in a UE channel about hardware xD

[mighty patrol]

This after hours!

Roaches love after hours

[median marsh]

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-rtx50-series-doesnt-support-gpu-physx-for-32-bit-games/

[tough owl]

...does anything use physx anymore?

been a hot minute since I saw the logo in game opening screen

[mighty patrol]

Not modern games no

[median marsh]

don't pretty much all UE4 games? (which have physics)

[wind egret]

Not the gpu-accelerated features

I think they were branded as Physx Effects...

[wise elbow]

i think it was just the effects which were specific to Nvidia GPUs if I remember

they always made my games run like ass

[wind egret]

They were objectively terrible, but it felt like Nvidia paid devs to use them with no fallbacks. It was either distractingly over-simulated features, or conspicuously missing environment art.

At least games are forced to have fallback lighting if you don't want to use raytracing.

[mighty patrol]

Tell that to that new Indiana jones game that required an rtx gpu

[tough owl]

I mean, they used it in Borderlands just for the sake of poop jokes so...

[grave sundial]

Love this comment from a YT video - UE tutorial.

Out of VRAM. Is my VRAM not enough?

🤦

[mighty patrol]

2080 super felt the same tbh

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but I am amazed that someone needs to ask that question, especially when UE tells them they're out of VRAM.

There might be unique cases where optimising helps, but still.....

[mighty patrol]

To be fair they didn't specify what assets they added if it's megascans with nanite makes sense.

[orchid iron]

"im doing a mistake"
The person is wrong, there was way more than 1 mistake that they did xD

[mighty patrol]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_Nvidia_PhysX

928 games lose support on 50 series

[grave sundial]

Why do I feel this opens NVidia up to some kind of anti-competition lawsuit, especially in the EU?

[white horizon]

How would that be anti-competition

They're basically shooting themselves in the foot

[grave sundial]

Anti-competition by denying games access to customers who use Nvidia.

Whether it hurts NVidia or not, cutting off access can be interpreted as monopolistic.

[white horizon]

Nvidia, denying access to their own customers, I don't see how it's anti-competition

[white horizon]

Only 32-bit PhysX is gone for the 5000 series

So the list of games is likely a lot shorter

[mighty patrol]

So even if 20% of that list is 32 bit

That's still a decent number

[white horizon]

Oh yeah for sure, it still sucks

but like if it was also 64-bit nvidia would be fucked

modern games still use it lol

[mighty patrol]

Wonder how long

[grave sundial]

Until Huang loses more than $600 billion.

Or a lawsuit hits.

[orchid iron]

People can still play those game at very low frame rates, like imagine a 5090 owner player a 20 year old game at less than 60 FPS xD

[grave sundial]

Ah, that's different, but still sueable.
Did they say why they removed the support though?

Is there something else other than fire and brimstone they are introducing?

[orchid iron]

Idk if they are required to maintain an old technology

[grave sundial]

🤔 If I play a game at 10 FPS on a 5090, will it still burn and start a forest fire? 😄

[agile lodge]

water might freeze instead

[grave sundial]

That... is not undesirable. Ice in summer via CPU tower, is innovative.

Ooof.

That'd freak me out, ngl.

[mighty patrol]

Make someone boycott a brand for sure

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wGd6Dsm_lo&pp=ygUocGMgd29ybGQgcmFudCBhYm91dCBwZW9wbGUgYnV5aW5nIG52aWRpYQ%3D%3D

[agile lodge]

seems it was cable issue from beginning and it walways is cable issue, those low quality cables

[orchid iron]

This aged like very fine wine

[wise elbow]

idk what was wrong with just using 3 lower power cables

seems like the new AMD cards will be doing that (albeit with a 300W max)

i have no experience with engineering of power systems but 12vhpwr seemed like a bad idea from the very beginning

it is also optional for board partners to use (I think) so I have no idea why they would use it when they clearly know it has issues

some manufacturers have active cooling where the cable connects to the card

[orchid iron]

Someboard partners even noticed the whole load balancing system missing so they made their own instead of following Nvidia guidelines xD

[wise elbow]

a cable specced to 600W should never be used for something that pulls 600W at nominal conditions. that's not even accounting for overclocks or really weird long transients

this whole generation is a complete joke and I really hope that AMD makes something competitive

[grave sundial]

I think the reason they wanted to use one instead of three, is because users asked for it. I've seen many threads on reddit where people were talking about having just one power cable, when two was the norm.

So, NVidia probably went, "Why not?"

And we got this.

[orchid iron]

The 9070xt will probably be the new Radeon Rx 580

[wise elbow]

sometimes it is good to listen to users. sometimes it is bad

[wise elbow]

I hope

[grave sundial]

No excuse for not testing this shit to death, of course.

[wise elbow]

because otherwise I'll probably hope to find a Nvidia at msrp or I guess just not build a pc

[orchid iron]

I see movable room heaters with like 2500 watts and only one cable being plugged in, so the "only one cable" thing makes sense, how it was executed doesn't

[wise elbow]

those cables also get incredibly warm and will typically melt an extension cord or power strip, so

max anything can pull in the US through a standard outlet is 1500W i think

[orchid iron]

Ah, makes sense, I live in EU

[grave sundial]

Better solution might be to provide a power cable to the wall socket instead. 😄

[wise elbow]

eh, it would need it's own power brick

[grave sundial]

Sure.

Damn thing is a brick by itself.

One more brick is fine.

[wise elbow]

probably some weird impedance matching fuckery with having components on multiple power sources?

also I guess whatever brick they would send would have to be rated for overclocks. so probably 1kw accounting for oc and efficiency

pcs consume so much power now it's hilarious

[grave sundial]

Close to an air conditioner, just a tad short.

[wise elbow]

and running a high power PC would require more AC to cool the room, lol

[grave sundial]

Oh, we can excuse that. You'll be running the AC to combat climate change anyway.

[wise elbow]

yay

[grave sundial]

I wish AMD would just make a desktop version of the Strix... like, real quick.

Only for laptops 🤮

[wise elbow]

their new CPUs have me debating if I want to wait a generation to build with all the current fuck ups

[grave sundial]

If you're not doing anything AAA or like that, yeah, it's better to wait.

For gaming, 100% wait.

[wise elbow]

assuming they even make those cpus for desktop

there might not be a market

mobile CPU with integrated as powerful as a mobile 4070 is crazy though

[grave sundial]

Yep. Personally, I'd hammer a small desktop out and sell it to every gamer I can find. But, I can understand if ATI doesn't want to undercut its own budget cards.

[wise elbow]

it also might not scale at a desktop level

desktops aren't that big of a market anyway

[grave sundial]

The Strix tablet, then.

[wise elbow]

relatively niche iirc

[grave sundial]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/chinese-made-gaming-gpus-get-up-to-120-percent-fps-boost-new-drivers-and-stability-fixes-for-mtt-s80-and-s70-cards

Meanwhile, from China with regards.

MTT S80 and S70, Chinese GPUs.

The 16GB S80 seems to be roughly $1,000 pre-tariffs.

[agile lodge]

more like provide cables where pins dont move even with any bend for the cable or wire

[grave sundial]

🤔 why not develop wireless power conveyors? Something like what mobile phones use to wirelessly charge.

Like, you have plates sticking out of a motherboard (or which you manually put in to the relevant slot) and put your GPU on top of that (connected to PCIe slot, of course).

The electricity via the plate powers GPU.

Of course, any rat and hamster that touches said plate by accident will die.

So, roast rodent snack on the side.

[opaque pond]

ugh i hate the "you keep buying nvidia , buy amd so there is competition" arguement

[agile lodge]

you know what interesting this Power connector what have 4 wires to supposed to be smart cable for ATX3.0 and ATX3.1 still you can cut those 4 wires and power comes

[grave sundial]

Yes. I read an old post where someone did that. They split the cable into two.

Not sure how safe that is, though.

It's not like the dude came back to verify it was fine afterwards.

[opaque pond]

like

people keep buying nvidia cause its the better option overall

[grave sundial]

can't argue with that, at least for Unreal.
But I get where they are coming from.

It ain't easy to pay a kidney for a GPU. 😄

[wind egret]

1500W is the old standard, newer is 2000W. But it's still 110V, so eh.

The cable to handle that much load (EU or US) would still look awfully funny inside a PC.

[grave sundial]

You could have it come out the back of the case, assuming full tower cases. The rear of my CPU cabinet has sufficient holes to allow a bunch of power cables to pass through.

That being said, at least one head of the cable ought to be detachable.

Fun with engineering.

[wind egret]

Full tower cases have so much room you could stuff a modular reactor in there.

[grave sundial]

Build one naow.

I am seriously considering a hamster to occupy said space, and charge it rent.

[orchid iron]

Ask random people in a supermarket in the computer alley which computer do they think is better and why
We know the nuances and differences, but random people will just use what is presented to them and is at a reasonable price

[restive notch]

Hi it won't let me add anything to my projects it says the disk space is full on my PC I was thinking could I use a hard drive I plug in to my computer tower and transfer all unreal engine stuff on to the hard drive then I can add more projects and there would be more room would that work??

Someone said to me I should just install a HDD or SSD internally

Would I even have room to install it

[fast terrace]

Hello guys I'm a new game dev what is the best budget laptop that I can get for unreal engine 5 under 1000 dollar

[tough owl]

bit bad time to buy laptop, 2025 models aren't out yet and 2024 models are mostly sold out

[median marsh]

hard to tell, but lenovo legion is a popular choice here

they have models in all price ranges

[orchid iron]

if you are thinking of opening and editing your project with usb latency, I highly recommend against it

take a picture in the case (if you can) so we can see the motherboard (unless you know the reference)

[restive notch]

Yeah I think il use an external one

[orchid iron]

or just move useless stuff to the external hdd xD

[restive notch]

I don't know what useless stuff is lol

I have my games on there

Thats it

I wish I knew what is hogging up all of the space

[wise elbow]

a private SMR would be incredible

i could burn so much quality fuel

[orchid iron]

move them to the external drive then

[orchid iron]

you can right click on each folder and view the space they take up, perhaps there are thing you could yeet out that you know aren't related to your system

[wise elbow]

there's a free tool called windirstat that'll visually show you what's taking up the most space

[naive cloak]

if you have windows installed on that drive windows update files take space, you can use disk cleanup to remove files

[grave sundial]

From AMD - https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-navi-48-rdna4-gpu-has-53-9-billion-transistors-more-than-nvidia-gb203

They have scaled the number of transistors in their Navi 48 GPU.

Purportedly, allegedly, supposedly. 😄

[naive cloak]

🤷‍♂️ we will not be able to buy it anyway...

[grave sundial]

Not even for a kidney?

[naive cloak]

it will be very bad idea to sell kidney to buy card that will set the house of fire...

[grave sundial]

This is AMD though. Have they been burning houses, too?

[mighty patrol]

Not that i've heard

They also don't use 12VHPWR design

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-silently-upgraded-with-12v2x6-power-connector

Not really new but still good news

[grave sundial]

It'd be great if they tell people they're replacing their GPUs for free, or at an 80% discount.

Those specific GPUs of course, not the entire series.

[orchid iron]

the 9070xt does't even pull enough wattage for you to be worried, can't go through the winter with them, unacceptable, refunded

[naive cloak]

they dont burn houses yet...

I remeber times when Nvidia cards used to be safe

[grave sundial]

🤔 If we can stop producing heaters and use those components to make more GPUs, which will also fulfill heating requirements, that'd be dandy.

[grave sundial]

Aye, like a few months ago? 😄

[orchid iron]

I remember times when Intel used to be safe

[naive cloak]

[grave sundial]

I remember those times fondly, when electricity didn't electrocute....
...er. Never mind.

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/electroboom-circuit-breaker-spark-mehdi-gif-18193394

[mighty patrol]

Now it just Electrobooms!

[finite atlas]

hey everyone

I am making a PC for unreal 5, to work in games that will no use ray tracing

I have 32gb ram ddr4

rx 580 8gb

What is the cheapest cpu i can get

?

is ryzen 5 1600 enough?

or do I need at least 2600?

SO I shouldn`t have any problem with ryzen 5 1600, 32gb ram ddr4 and rx580 8gn, it will just take longer to compile thn if I use an Ryzen 5 2600?

[orchid iron]

I have an intel 6th gen cpu and it works fine for me, the 1600 probably will work well for you, why not try it and tell us how it went

[orchid iron]

that's the minimum gpu epic reccomends, nice

[wind egret]

I don;'t think the Ryzen 2000s were much faster than the Ryzen 1000s.
But the Ryzen 3000s were.

[keen sage]

Ryzen 5 3600 tbh

i wouldn't sleep on cpu, make sure to check your budget and get the best one, not just whats enough

especially working in c++ and the editor CPU is crucial

[white horizon]

If you're going to be writing C++ you'll really want something solid with a lot of cores/threads

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-lErGZZgUbY

STRIX HALO ON A FRAMEWORK DESKTOP YEAHHHHH

[mental timber]

[grave sundial]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2025/02/25/meet-framework-desktop-a-monster-mini-pc-powered-by-amd-ryzen-ai-max/

According to this, Framework is selling Ryzen AI Max mainboards to make DIY desktops.

So, we CAN get the Strix on desktops. The mainboards cost $800.

@naive cloak ^

[mighty patrol]

Wonder if it will make a good nas

[grave sundial]

The Framework with 128GB RAM costs $2,000.

My advice, buy the lower end version and assemble your own RAM.

It'll probably be cheaper.

[mighty patrol]

In queue for 3 minutes to see website frame.work

[grave sundial]

😄

Apparently, AMD is also teaming up with Bharat Forge in India, to make servers here.

[mighty patrol]

Feel like I'm waiting for an mmo lobby

[grave sundial]

I hope AMD smashes NVidia hard, with low cost, med-high performance desktops.

LONG LIVE THE AI!!!!

[mighty patrol]

Hell yeah

[grave sundial]

https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/24/intel_xeon_6/

According to this, Intel wants to counter with Xeon 6.

Woo hoo! MOAR competition! MOAR choices!

They are aiming those at data centres for now.

Meanwhile, Qualcomm is introducing Dragonwing to fight everyone else in AI.

---

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-gaming-performance-leaked-rx-9070xt-is-42-faster-on-average-than-7900-gre-at-4k

The RX 9070 is slightly better than the 7900 GRE, but raytracing is still a bomb.

It does seem to have 16GB of RAM. So, if it's cheap, might make a nice buy.

AMD says it might be under $700.

[naive cloak]

that Framework will cost 2000$

[grave sundial]

The 128GB, yeah.

But, if we grab the mainboard only, we can make our own stuff separately.

So, we COULD make a desktop under $1500.

[naive cloak]

overpriced

[grave sundial]

you're not buying a gpu, though.

so, you save all that moolah.

good for mid-gaming and low-end-devving.

[naive cloak]

maybe Minisforum will release something cheaper

[grave sundial]

i want to buy the parts separately.

DIY is always cheaper.

[naive cloak]

yes but for 2000$ you can buy PC with full motherboard

minipc motherboard has limited IO. BIOS etc.

if you need a lot of storage good luck with that...

[grave sundial]

Fair. I hope they release that CPU separately.

[naive cloak]

on my board there is no SATA ports for hard drive, only 2 NVMe slots I had to use NVMe to 5 SATA board and get creative because CPU heatsink is on top

[orchid iron]

can't change ram on this laptop cpu

cpu mobo ram are all quite linked together dispite framework's efforts, also the cpu cooler is on a dilitted cpu, so if you remove it carelessly it'll break the cpu

oh hey, 2000$ is for the whole computer, not bad, especially considering it has basically a 4070 with 96gb of memory xD

[wind egret]

The 4070 mobile gpu. Still, I'll be happy if they can kill ATX.

[grave sundial]

https://media.tenor.com/ewNEZ_jD2lgAAAAM/bruce-banner-hulk.gif

On a serious note, I hope AMD is breathing down its engineers' necks to make desktop versions fast.

I was reading what Satya Nadella said the other day, about how Google and Sundar Pichai had 'seen the potential' of a tech (AI, I think) and prepared in advance to take advantage of it. He confessed that Microsoft had not.

I hope AMD is not suffering from a similar perception = perception - 1 malady.

The one who brings powerful computers at cheap prices to the plebians, will be crowned the Silicon God! 👑

Yay! The MSI 4TB nvme is back in stock here, AND it's slightly cheaper.

slightly.... but I'll take slightly.

I wish I was in a position to buy another one atm. But, good to know it's available.

[orchid iron]

Spatium? I think they misspelled spatula

[grave sundial]

😄

Yeah, it's their spatula... er, spatium line.

[orchid iron]

I wonder how well it does crepe flipping

[grave sundial]

1/4th a crepe is perfectly doable.

It doesn't have the girth to accommodate the rest.

[orchid iron]

yeah true

has anyone tried this brand?

I kinda need that sort of pcie cable

[grave sundial]

No, but the brand's not as important with these cables.

They generally come from THAT part of the world.

[orchid iron]

taiwan?

[grave sundial]

and mainland China.

[orchid iron]

oh yeah

[grave sundial]

But yeah, from over there.

[orchid iron]

but I legit can't find any other cable type like these in other brands

[grave sundial]

Sometimes Hong Kong. But, the point being, that brand name is as important as Gucchi or Vigo or whatever.

It's just a label with no impact on quality.

If it's cheap, go ahead and try it. I have never received cables and extra components in broken condition, so far.

[orchid iron]

it ain't cheap at 120$ plus shipping xD

[grave sundial]

urf

[orchid iron]

that's why I'm looking for otherbrands xD

[grave sundial]

https://www.amazon.in/Express-16X-16X-Extender-Flexible-Extension/dp/B09QMQQQCR

Like dis?

Oh wait, that's just the ribbon, I think.

[orchid iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821821368017485885/1344221057560612904/image.png?ex=67c01eea&is=67becd6a&hm=3131eb8c490cf9527038096e93187ff6e46dd0c697da1a142029193f613eea74&

specifically with a wire so maximum flexibility

[grave sundial]

It might be cheaper to order the individual components from Alibaba and do it yourself.

[orchid iron]

maybe, but it'll take more time than earning 155$

[grave sundial]

💰

This is true.

Glad those 8TBs are falling in price.

The TBW is set at 4000-4800.

[orchid iron]

yeah, their endurance per terrabyte ain't that good

[grave sundial]

Well, my MSI 4TB is 3500 TBw, if I remember.

[orchid iron]

yeah, that's what I'm saying

[grave sundial]

How many years would it take me to get anywhere near that? 🙂

Assuming I am not constantly writing stuff and erasing it.

[orchid iron]

I'd consider it if it can do 10 years minimum

[wind egret]

SSDs should be pretty good at monitoring wear and balancing it across sectors by now.

[grave sundial]

Yeah, CoPilot basically said as much.

So, the Samsung 870 QVO 8TB SATA SSD (internal) has 2880 TBW.

So, 4000 with the nvme is an improvement.

BUT, we have to consider that some Nvmes do fail early still.

[wind egret]

ew QLC

[grave sundial]

They are rare, but still....

Hehe. Yeah. I am not buying that.

Also, it costs just as much as the WD 8tb nvme.

[wind egret]

QLC would be more respectable if it were as cheap as they pretended it would be.

[grave sundial]

Their budget customers don't care. I know I didn't care about any of that when I purchased a 2TB SSD from Silicon Power for CHEAPPPP, for my laptop.

But, I learnt a lot when assembling my new PC. So, I paid attention to the acronyms. 😄

[orchid iron]

difference in price between Quad Layer Cell and Triple Layer Cell should theoretically only be about 25-33%

but TLC ssds often have extra stuff that makes them quite a good pick like having ram on them xD

[grave sundial]

Dolgix in India is offering 32GB RAM sticks - DDR4, 3200MHz default, CL-19 - for $50. So, 64GB at $100.

They can be OCed to 4000MHz, apparently.

I hope someone tries to OC it to 5000.

[median marsh]

if someone likes to read about the nifty details...
https://hackaday.com/2025/02/24/the-importance-of-current-balancing-with-multi-wire-power-inputs/

[orchid iron]

by the way about that, Jay made an interesting video about the subject, so turns out, the generation of the 12 volt high power combined with usage may greatly favour imbalanced current

He tested out on a 5090 or 5080 and he measured each wire per 10 insertion up to 100 insertion, but they were pretty balanced (he also didn't use a direct on wire monitoring since he mentioned that would somehow help balance the current with the measure resistances)

so he tried with a wire they had used previously, that had a bit of wear already but only about 40 insertions, however they weren't from the H++ standard, because the H++ has a different design, and turns out that one was very imbalanced, and didn't need many insertions to notice over 11 amps on 1 or 2 wires

[median marsh]

he didn't use the inwire monitoring because he figured out that it balanced the power, so it poisened the samples

[orchid iron]

yeah that

[north arch]

and it did that by adding contact and measurement resistance

[median marsh]

i rather think those +12V lines might have been merged at some point on the circuit

as he had the unbalanced load on the input side

[orchid iron]

The fact major hardware issues makes us look into very specific knowledge

[wind egret]

I'm not sure if electricity and wires is very specific knowledge.

[naive cloak]

people who have cards with missing ROPs can return them?

https://tenor.com/view/lonelyisland-ithrewitontheground-andy-samberg-gif-4796542

[median marsh]

German language has a word for it "Betriebsblind"

not being able to see shortcomings in one's field of expertise

tho the circuit designers should have known what's up

or they just had a single +12V in their circuit layout and the PCB designer did just split it on all the wires 🤷

also most car accidents happen in areas that the drivers know

[naive cloak]

one word for the entire sentence?

[agile lodge]

the cables with different connecting ways

[median marsh]

idk if there's an english equivalent, the dict did spit out the whole sentence

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/lAdLOf5of8Y?si=vT4aOe4Fd_8MNAUm

[naive cloak]

there is no equivalent in English because if there was, GPU cables would not melt...

language is very important

because we use language to think

it forms our "line of thought"

[median marsh]

wasn't the burned 5090 also used with an existing cable?

maybe the PINs on the GPU have different diameter. So first card you use it, it will work fine and spread to that pinsize, now you get a new card with slightly thinner pins and it can't adjust to that anymore

[agile lodge]

plus cable defect on the play too

[white horizon]

Upgrade time

[delicate crystal]

anyone know if an ATX desktop or mini case could fit most modern video cards? I doubt it, but I'm lousy at visualizing space

[white horizon]

@mighty cosmos

Wish me luck

[tough owl]

case manufacturers(at least recognized ones) do have GPU and CPU cooler clearance measurements in their product info

[wise elbow]

almost always yes unless its a giant 4090 or 5090. length is most usually the limiting factor but the width of the card can cause really bad cooling in some cases

[wise elbow]

holy. how much did that cost?

[white horizon]

~928 CAD total

Installing it atm

[mighty patrol]

Insane

[wise elbow]

looking at building a pc soon with a 9950x3d (assuming it doesnt flop). deliberating over whether to get 64gb or 96gb. anyone have input on what to get?

16core/32 thread

[white horizon]

64GB is bare minimum imo

[wise elbow]

success

[white horizon]

I just upgraded from that to 192GB hah

Eh dunno yet

It's RAM training

Won't boot for a long while

[wise elbow]

i imagine that will take a while lol

[white horizon]

With that much yeah

[wise elbow]

what do you need that much for? out of curiosity

VMs?

[white horizon]

Just regular game dev work

Got tired of running out at 64GB with the editor, my IDE etc open

And it choking the compile processes

[wise elbow]

how much memory do you use when compiling? and what cpu do you have?

[white horizon]

7950X

Somewhat maxes out when compiling especially when compiling the engine

[orchid iron]

Compact water cooled cards could fit in ATX, perhaps specific mini itx

[orchid iron]

Cable was an issue, it wasn't part of the new H++ standard
But the fact they removed a safety feature in GPUs that cost over 1500$ for what? The more you buy the more you save xD

[white horizon]

Updating my bios via the usb flashback button

Just in case

[median marsh]

that executes the same code as the bios option!?

[white horizon]

Yeah

If you cant boot into bios

It's an alternative, lets you update it without having to

[median marsh]

i wouldn't see why you would use it under normal circumstances

[white horizon]

In my scenario the RAM is preventing me from reaching the bios

So now I can let it update without having the PC on

[median marsh]

ah, okay. fair usecase then

[white horizon]

Im guessing it's because I forgot to update my bios to support 192GB heh

Or im too impatient and ram training takes that long on 192GB

Which might just be the case

[mighty patrol]

Could be lol