hardware

[grave sundial]

Perhaps we can buy it in pieces.

Like each letter for a fraction of the money.

Can we have an N for $100 please?

I'll pick up the V and the A for $200 next week.

[naive cloak]

we can mine it... if we dig under the manufacturing factory and take it from there 🤣

[grave sundial]

tbh, it's probably easier to just hijack a supply truck.

[naive cloak]

btw they blame scalper bots but its not true

[grave sundial]

blame them for?

[naive cloak]

they say that "bots bought all the cards before the launch" lol

there is no point in hijacking truck because each truck probably carry single GPU if we look at the number of the "available" cards 😅

[grave sundial]

You could steal the driver's attire, drive back to the factory, and just pick up a new one.

Well, the Indian government is going to order 18,693 GPUs - reportedly - to power a compute facility for our own foundational models.

So, there's going to be supply headed in THAT direction somewhere down the line.

[naive cloak]

something like this:

[grave sundial]

and we MIGHT manufacture GPUs here itself.

So, the price MIGHT drop.

Hopefully, it won't turn out to be wishful thinking.

[naive cloak]

gov will buy different GPUs probably, I forgot the name something with 100 in the name iirc

I dont think it will be possible to buy 5090 for less than 3000$ at any time during it lifetime

and I am being naive again probably, when will I learn 😢

[grave sundial]

I honestly don't want one though.
Personally, I don't see myself utilising anywhere near its potential.

MSI's 4090 24GB dropped to 2,900USD here.

[naive cloak]

its not about utilizing or not, its about overpriced products that have artificial scarcity to steal our money

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but that's capitalism at its finest horribleness.

We can be smart and just buy what we need.

[naive cloak]

I dont think it can be considered as "dropped" 🥲

[grave sundial]

It was 3,400 something before, though.

It's an improvement. 😄

BUT the RTX A6000 is available for $4,600 with 48GB.

So, if I really want to splurge.....

I assume it can run Minesweeper.

[orchid iron]

fun fact, the 5090 has 16 ram modules of 2gb each, so when 3gb modules are available, it'll be possible to swap them to make a 5090 48gb , and when 4gb modules come out, you'll be able to have a 5090 64gb

[grave sundial]

So, what you are implying is that NVidia will be || bought by Lego || and that we should || buy Lego shares || in preparation.

[orchid iron]

I'd say that if Lego was a public company, but it isn't, it is private and it explains why it's been still so neutral

no investors

[naive cloak]

I am pretty sure they learned from Apple and made sure that you will not be able to replace parts

[plush turret]

now to find a wifi extender that fits inside this box next to a fiber translater https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D3DVQGZ9

[wise elbow]

you can replace a memory module on a GPU with an equal one but I have a feeling you can't just put a bigger memory module on it and have it work

[orchid iron]

some do that service

[agile lodge]

the GPU what got scalped from this build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT5PKtq_zZQ

[plush turret]

does anyone have experience with throat mics? my GF is mute, but wants to join me for streams. her medical throat mic is not compatible with most computers (built in speaker and self contained)
All the ones i can find only work with specific radios

[fallen oasis]

As a backup, can you use a headset with the mic next to the speaker?

[plush turret]

we tried, and its super staticy

problem seems to be that the speaker on her thing is apparently exceptionally directional.

any time she turns her head the speaker seems to move out of range and it sounds like your on speakerphone with someone who is using one of those boardroom things

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CY8RBQ8T/ this one seems to be close to what we want but dont really like the PTT

gaming + dedicated PTT isnt exactly the sort of thing you use while streaming

[wise elbow]

you could maybe get a lapel mic and mount it to the speaker?

non-medical throatmics seet to kinda be a tacticool thing so a lot of the products are airsoft larper crap

[naive cloak]

maybe you can find throat mic like that but with Bluetooth or BT adapter for it

😰

[fallen oasis]

Ouch

[plush turret]

crap is better than echoing stuff

[violet spade]

lol the zotac 4080 super was roughly $1300 CAD on average, now it’s $2400

They can take their card and shove it at this point

[naive cloak]

3080 TI price is still at MSRP or higher 🤣

[median marsh]

https://9gag.com/gag/a9yzP7D 😄 (How to spot new RTX5090 owner) because 9gag isn't able to embed fine...

[orchid iron]

This image from the comments summarises it pretty well

[vivid skiff]

Coming from 3060 laptop, is it worth looking into a 5080, or should I get a small 4070? I'm aiming for SFF/mini ITX build, and I don't care much about AI frame gen stuff (so mostly DLSS 3 stuff) especially for dev

[grave sundial]

I think you should approach it strictly from a money point of view.

3060 is a fine card. If it's a question of VRAM, you can go for the next highest VRAM card at the cheapest rate.

The 3060 at 12GB and 7600 xt Radeon at 16GB are both cheaply available - $270-280 - even in India, at the moment. It'll probably be easy to keep them cool in a mini ITX, too.

Unless you have a project in mind that is going to use a lot of ray-tracing and high-end graphics features, you'll probably save a lot of money with either of those. Unreal likes VRAM, so the 16GB will help.

[wise elbow]

buy whatever you can afford

7600xt is a weak card and will struggle to ever use 16gb...

size isn't really a concern with a 5080. they're normal sized

[orchid iron]

just wait until the 9070xt or 9070 from amd, not like the 5080 has proper supply until march

[frank glade]

Yeah but for dev work you will use that up so fast

[primal flame]

My laptop specs:
Dell latitude 5580
16gb ram
I7-7820hq
nvidia geforce 940mx

Can I use unreal engine?

[orchid iron]

likely, I have super similar specs to yours and it runs pretty well, DM me if you are having issues

[wise elbow]

940mx and unreal would probably require you to turn everything down to the lowest possible

[orchid iron]

those are my settings xD

[vivid skiff]

No AMD GPUs, NVIDIA is a must for maximum compatibility.

[wise elbow]

?????

[orchid iron]

?????

if you are referencing superior nvidia ray tracing, the 9000 series of graphics cards actually comes really close to nvidia for the price you are spending
UE 5 doesn't use the cuda software suite if you are thinking that

[wise elbow]

allegedly*

[orchid iron]

the leaker was very reliable in the past, plus the 9000 series cards are all in stores just vibing, so employees could just grab them xD

[wise elbow]

i really hope they aren't abysmal dogshit

[orchid iron]

the 9070xt actually goes toe to toe against the 4080 for half the price almost

[wise elbow]

hopefully fsr4 is good and rt performance is comparable

[orchid iron]

they changed they strategy after they noticed nvidia's launch will be how it turned out

[delicate crystal]

How mich do you think the 9070s woukd make the 7900s drop

[orchid iron]

Already dropped by a lot, AMD had to discount the 7900s as much as possible before releasing their stock which was made in large amount way earlier
But because there was still so much 7900 xt and 7900 xtx still in the market, they would of been crushed by the 9070s value, so they pushed back the launch...And then Nvidia focused on made up performance along with having basically no stock for these cards, so why rush when the competition isn't done cooking and the 7900s is still selling through

Ever since beginning of this year I've seen so many people in YouTube comments say they have a 7900 xtx, like wtf, I thought it was a niche card

Steam hardware said that the 7900 xtx was at 0.36% in September 2024 then it went all the way up to 0.51% in December 2024

[vivid skiff]

I'm talking about upscaler compatibility, NVIDIA can do all three.

Also I'm only concerned about getting AMD GPU once I get 2 test rigs.

Unless the trend in 2024 onwards is main dev on NVIDIA GPU is somehow problematic and should be ignored, even with native resolution measuring

[orchid iron]

so will FSR 4? It'll be AI based just like nvidia's if that's what you'd want

[orchid iron]

it is a trend because money is not that much of an issue if the income is good enough to ignore the Green tax
But if you care about price to performance, you'd look at the 2nd place player's offerings since they'd usually have lower margins to gain market shares

[vivid skiff]

I only ask should I get 4070 or 5080 for SFF workstation, not AMD GPU sales pitch (which I will eventually get for testing rig)

That's all I ask.

If it's hard to not get out of scope, then I'd rather trust primal instincts.

[median marsh]

with current prices i would probably get a 4070S 16GB

unless you really need top performance

[orchid iron]

Yeah, good luck finding a 5080 at MSRP, you'd be better off getting a 4070 with 16gb as mentioned by Ben

[vivid skiff]

THANK YOU

[orchid iron]

I'm still confused about that "for Maximum compatibility I pick nvidia" concept
If the CUDA software suite or their av1 encoders was mentioned then yeah fair

[grave sundial]

By the way, a couple of days ago, we were talking about using dual GPUs for UE. Turns out that since UE 5.2, the rendering option to use dual GPUs was removed, according to a thread on the UE forums.

You can still do it with some eat-through-the-nose workaround, apparently.

[orchid iron]

Is it SLI / Cross fire or any GPUs would of been able to dual render?

[grave sundial]

The use cases mentioned in that thread were for dual GPUs. They didn't talk about SLI.

According to them, prior to 5.2, you had an option in Rendering in UE, to choose SME and DX 12 instead of just SME (or SMC, I might have that wrong).

That made UE use both GPUs. I haven't tested this myself.

[orchid iron]

Oh that's cool, I didn't know it was even possible

[grave sundial]

Yeah, I googled it on a hunch.

Now, the interesting bit is, with post 5.2 versions, there is some wire rendering or some such feature in UE that does use dual GPUs, but ONLY that.

Either way, the posters were ticked off that Epic pulled dual GPU support.

[orchid iron]

I'd guess this system would be really hard to maintain due to its complexity

[grave sundial]

Seems like it. Btw, I linked an AMD FSR update for UE 5.5 in the Lounge.

[orchid iron]

Yoink, thank you very much

[primal flame]

Will it still be useable and can make big projects?

[wise elbow]

define "large project"

[primal flame]

For an example an online mmorpg openworld game

[wise elbow]

i would start small

and if your target hardware can't run your game, I doubt you would be able to in editor

[naive cloak]

PCs that can really run UE5 are like unicorns, maybe they exists but no one ever saw one...

if your game will have ~20 fps it can be considered success because you will triple it with fake DLSS frames and call it a day, same as all the "AAA" companies do

[wise elbow]

unsurprisingly, games running at 4k with raytracing struggle to get 144fps

who could've guessed???

[fresh fog]

No. Though if you can make an open world mmorpg you can take a couple of grand out of the millions of funding you have to build a really good machine :P

[open sentinel]

Hello there. I want to make an animated movie within UE5 using Metahumans as the characters. Can anyone recommend good PC specs for a £1000 budget

[fallen oasis]

Get a graphics card with a lot of vram.

[open sentinel]

I kinda already figured out that. Am looking for specs. Good GPU + CPU combo etc

[orchid iron]

in the UK I presume?

[open sentinel]

Yep

[orchid iron]

start small, learn the basics first, many people burn out because they can't even do 1 game after months

[primal flame]

I have some experience using godot and unity I think I can do it

I have c++ experience too

[wise elbow]

openworld MMO is the kinda project to have dozens or hundreds of people on and mass amounts of hardware

[orchid iron]

@open sentinel

this is a quick build, feel free to ask about components and maybe mention what you'd like to use the build for

(the cpu cooler and thermal paste is included in the cpu box)

[orchid iron]

did you ever finish a game?

[open sentinel]

What about ssd?

Is there something that I can decrease to fit in a ssd

How much ram does the GPU have

Does it support raytracing

Whats my expected FPS

Sorry for all these questions, trying to understand the best before I make such a purchase

[orchid iron]

oh sorry, I forgot about that because I'm used to rebuilding a full system but keeping old drives until upgrading them later

[orchid iron]

the 7600 xt has 16gb

[orchid iron]

yes, but it is not great at all, if you want ray tracing at a such a low price, then the nvidia 3060 which has 12gb should be enough

if you go for the 3060 instead of the 7600 xt, you'll be able to add a Crucial P3 Plus SSD 1TB for 57 pounds and remain in budget

[orchid iron]

I have no idea, because I have no idea what you'll be putting on the scene and what settings you'll be using

[orchid iron]

of course, it is quite important to know what you'll be spending money into

[open sentinel]

Ray tracking isnt a must TBH

So what is by best option including ssd

And leave ray tracing

[orchid iron]

if you are doing movies, are you sure you won't be doing ray tracing?

[open sentinel]

Now that you mention it

Ok sure best option with ray tracing

[orchid iron]

then go for 3060, for its price it is quite a solid pick

with a Crucial P3 Plus SSD 1TB for 57 pounds, the total should be closer to 1000 than the og picks

[open sentinel]

Other same part?

[open sentinel]

Nvidia?

[orchid iron]

so these and remove the amd 7600 xt

[orchid iron]

yup

[open sentinel]

Last question

[open sentinel]

Is the motherboard wifi

I need WiFi for the time being

Ethernet isn't an option for me for now

[orchid iron]

the mobo has wifi 6E

[open sentinel]

Ty for your help then

[orchid iron]

no problem

[naive cloak]

check MINISFORUM BD790i it has AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX mobile CPU, it is ITX motherboard with mobile CPU and heatsink built it, you will have to add SSD, 2 Sodimm RAM, 12cm CPU fan, GPU (if needed) PSU and case, I use this board, I can only recommend it if you have limited budget, but if you like it, before you buy it make sure you know all the limitations such as custom bios with less functions, CPU fan can be controlled only from BIOS. limited IO/USB ports etc. they have updated version afaik with metal PCIe slot support etc. or maybe even newer versions, but afaik BD790i is the best version.

other versions (such as SE) dont have PCIe 5 and no wifi afaik

and its made in China so idk if you will get any support/replacement if something happens 😢

[wise elbow]

imo the 7600xt is a waste. the extra memory will never get used

would definitely prefer a ryzen 7 or 9 if doing anything development related

[orchid iron]

he'll be able to upgrade to that plus a much better cpu cooler that'll be able to handle that class of CPUs

[naive cloak]

save more money and buy better parts if you can 🤷‍♂️

[wise elbow]

also 32gb is probably more than enough ram

[wise elbow]

that mobile cpu board looks interesting

what kinda performance does that cpu get compared to its desktop equal?

[orchid iron]

He doesn't save much money downgrading from 64gb to 32gb, plus when he upgrades other stuff in the future, ram upgrades won't be needed at all
And besides, having a lot of ram is just useful in general

[open sentinel]

true

[plush turret]

why does every ethernet splitter need additional power?

[naive cloak]

idk I never tested it, some people even OC it, they have Discord channel, someone there writing custom BIOS to boost CPU speed, also sometimes users post benchmarks

also its possible to use 96GB, they say up to 64 but 96 is detected

[wise elbow]

memory controller probably got an update

[naive cloak]

user from Minisforum discord testing BD790i overclocking possibilities, this is what he posted, but I think he has custom heatsink

[orchid iron]

Wow, it crushes my current CPU

A 7th gen i7 xD

[royal pasture]

can anyone tell me

ASUS ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition with AMD Ryzen 9 5980HX and Radeon RX 6800m

trying to think of the right way to ask this question but essentially is this a good laptop for Unreal?

[orchid iron]

Depends what projects you want to do with it

I have a 10 year old Laptop and I'm developing a game in unreal engine 5.5.2 xD

[royal pasture]

make a good indie game haha

and not be too constrained by my machine

in the process

right now i'm learning 2d stuff in unreal

[orchid iron]

That's a vague statement

But could you theoretically make a good indie game with it? Yes absolutely, I'm making one with a way worst one xD

[royal pasture]

nice

well i mean i'd like to be able to work on something with low poly stylized

or hd2d games

or large games

but it sounds like i should have no problem

[orchid iron]

It all depends on you and how demanding the assets are on your level

There is a tone of great looking stuff which are super light

Plus, if you build your game using some hardware constraints, you'll be able to more easily test what is the user experience on other low end machines and get as many customers as possible

Palworld for example, looks nice, assets aren't overly complicated, great indie game (besides the heavy inspirations from many other games)

[royal pasture]

totally

cool so this laptop is perfect then

ty

[wise elbow]

laptop is more than powerful enough

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EM1UL4GHviU

When you upgrade the GPU literally

[open sentinel]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZXfqBq
Is this a good setup for UE5 animating? Will be using Raytracing and Metahuman. I only have a budget of £1000

[wise elbow]

I wouldn't get a 4060ti, they're some of the worst possible value for a card. You can probably get a 7700xt for the same price.
That memory is also incredibly slow for the price. The latency is awful and you will see negative performance impacts

[median marsh]

and 1TB ssd wont get you far, get at least a 2TB ssd

[wise elbow]

Also IMO prefer to get an AMD CPU using the AM5 socket as you will be able to get a new CPU in the future if you want

Unsure if raytracing will even be done on dedicated hardware

[orchid iron]

Yeah, my thoughts exactly

[orchid iron]

The 550w PSU will hold you back a lot, normally you'd get a PC to upgrade it later, so by spending less early you actually spend more over all because that PSU will have to go when you want better GPU in the future

Plus also it is supposed to protect your hardware, so you really should NOT cheap out on it

[wise elbow]

Might be able to get a 6800xt for less than the 4060ti 16gb

I wouldn't worry about raytracing; no low end card is even going to remotely be able to do it efficiently

[orchid iron]

I'm pretty sure the 6000 series doesn't even have ray tracing cores

[orchid iron]

What about the 3060? For 200-250 seems okay

[wise elbow]

Isn't it a 8gb card?

[orchid iron]

@wise elbow it is a 12gb card

[wise elbow]

I'd be hesitant to take one over a 4060 because it's just in general slower

NGL at this price point I would just design a good gaming PC and then also do animation on it

[orchid iron]

It feels weird to say that 1000 is too low to get into PC when years ago you could get high end computers for this price

[wise elbow]

Thats what happens when everything doubled in price

You can honestly still get a really nice computer for 1000 if you buy things on sale and buy smart

[orchid iron]

Maybe our standards are too high xD

[orchid iron]

Like the thermaltake smart PSU series xD

[wise elbow]

Right now is probably the worst possible time to build a PC. Nothing is on sale and everything that's out is about to be a generation behind

[orchid iron]

But aren't the best prices for parts 1 or 2 generations behind anyways?

[wise elbow]

I rarely see graphics cards change in price unless it's a sale

CPUs do consistently change but I wouldn't recommend anything older than a 7000 series Ryzen unless you're really budget constrained

[orchid iron]

TBF, the 5000 CPU series from AMD has some of the best value because most people still view Intel as the best pick, so prices for these parts go up
But no one buying anything older than 7000 series xD

So they get cheaper

[wise elbow]

Oh no, 5000 Ryzen are some of the most sold CPUs

Really their only downside is their socket and they use ddr4

[orchid iron]

Sold in the past, but not in the present

Everyone is recommending am5 stuff xD

[wise elbow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/old-am4-cpus-including-the-ryzen-5000-still-make-up-50-percent-of-amds-sales-today/

[orchid iron]

Oh right, forgot about the prebuild market

You find some really old CPUs in prebuilds with recent GPUs xD

[wise elbow]

Eh, CPU doesn't really matter for gaming when compared to gpu

[orchid iron]

Yeah, unfortunately for us, it does matter in our use cases

[wise elbow]

Even then it's really only core count

[orchid iron]

Alright, Imma build a dual CPU intel xeon rig, brb

[plush turret]

I am looking to eventually switch almost entirely to fiber. with LC/LC plugs. would this work with fiber in then fiber + ethernet out?

this would go in a spot where i need both ethernet and fiber out. with a fiber line coming in.

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Slot-Cat5e-Copper-Ports/dp/B078LW6B9F/

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIK7iUwRgaE

Careful guys

[grave sundial]

So, is this bricking because of that connection overheating issue like with the 4090s?

Oh.... because of drivers?!

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

They said the power connector part was debunked

[grave sundial]

Well, that's an achievement.

[mighty patrol]

Good job nvidia

Time will tell if its true

Maybe it will fray and catch fire

[grave sundial]

Okay, so if this is a driver caused bricking, is it soft or hard?

Like, can they recover the GPU with the right drivers?

[mighty patrol]

Well there's only one driver for 5090 atm

😢

[grave sundial]

But, the $10,000 brick is fine, right?

hardware-wise?

[mighty patrol]

Yeah paperweight ftw

Hopefully nvidia will replace

[grave sundial]

okay. It would be real shitty if the hardware itself was affected.

[mighty patrol]

For real

[grave sundial]

Why redundancy drivers weren't made ready before the launch, is a testament to a lack of common sense - or poor planning.

[orchid iron]

or rushing

[grave sundial]

If it was my company, I'd have three drivers ready to roll with my GPUs.

1. Barebones drivers to ensure minimal functionality.

2. Earlier iteration drivers to be a backup.

[mighty patrol]

I don't think they have that many driver devs anymore

[grave sundial]

3. The main drivers.

[mighty patrol]

I could be wrong

[grave sundial]

They should use their bloody AI.

Deepthroat can code drivers, maybe. 🤣

[mighty patrol]

😂

Just asked deepseek to write some nvidia gpu driver code

Probably will be jibberish

[grave sundial]

If it beings with an admonishment against spending your retirement moolah on an overpriced brick, the AI has my endorsement.

[mighty patrol]

This thing still writing code

To be fair my model may be a bit much for my system but hey it's trucking

[orchid iron]

I'm so salty my country is part of the bootlicking countries who banned deepseek

[grave sundial]

But, the ban is for the ministries, right?

Not common people, no?

[mighty patrol]

Everyone

[orchid iron]

vpn time

[mighty patrol]

It's done!

[orchid iron]

nice

I have no idea what I'm looking at, but great job based AI

[grave sundial]

Find out if it makes the $10,000 brick explode for reals.

[mighty patrol]

I was tempted to run custom firmware on my gpu once

Then I decided against it

[orchid iron]

oh yeah, they even warn you flashing custom vBIOS may brick the card

[mighty patrol]

Yup

[orchid iron]

they warned me flashing custom roms on my phone may brick it, but I did it anyways xD

https://tenor.com/view/toshi-cat-brick-wall-brick-bricks-gif-6571537012887815472

[grave sundial]

Oh yeah, I've flashed quite a few old phones, translating Chinese with Google translate to use their software. 😄

I certainly collected many types of USB wires thanks to that.

[orchid iron]

noice

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzwb01yO-VU?si=FcnBiegeFj29Jog1

CUDA ❌
Assembly ✅

[open sentinel]

Could anyone suggest some improvements if needed in this build?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XHZsnp
It's for making animated movies in Unreal Engine. Raytracing is preferred, and I only have around £1000 in budget

[wise elbow]

solid build IMO

maybe a 2tb SSD instead of a 1tb if you get swing it

unreal engine is massive

[open sentinel]

Yea was thing about that

Is the GPU + RAM sufficient

[wise elbow]

GPU is pretty good, 32gb of memory is probably more than enough

you can always add more memory

[open sentinel]

Do you think it would be requred?

And whats a good 2TB ssd?

[wise elbow]

ive personally always had good luck with Samsung SSDs, but team group, Kingston, and a few others have decent ones. the actual chip is the same in all of them IIRC

[wise elbow]

no, I rarely use all 64gb of memory unless I have like 3 IDEs open while also running a virtual machine

[open sentinel]

And how good does the RX 7700 XT perform in UE5?

[wise elbow]

it'll be good. the ray tracing is worse, but from my experience will still be completely fine, especially at 1080p

unless you get a really expensive card the ray tracing is going to suck regardless

[open sentinel]

TBH Ray tracing is optional and basic, like global illumination, is good but not required, so I think this build looks good in all angles

[wise elbow]

i will say, there are new AMD and Nvidia cards releasing in the next month or two

so maybe just buy things if they are on sale

[open sentinel]

Is the Wraith Stealth Cooler better then the ID-COOLING SE-214-XT?

[wise elbow]

no, it's actually really bad. but with your CPU you might not need a better cooler tbh

ive heard thermalright is really good for the price

actually definitely get a cooler, stock one is insufficient even for your CPU lmao

[open sentinel]

Ik

[orchid iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XtC-t3zlAUE?si=OwAQ-bCR9geNpfcA

[mighty patrol]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g288yldko

[wise elbow]

Classic

[orchid iron]

I remember when governments asked signal about user data, and all it gave was a bunch of usernames and phone numbers xD

[grave sundial]

I just read an article that said the writer found the 5080 stock to be heavily underclocked, or severely unoptimised to put it another way.

Apparently, he was able to overclock it to a great extent and he found it surprising.

[mighty patrol]

Source?

[grave sundial]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/graphics-cards/im-genuinely-stunned-about-the-overclocking-performance-of-the-rtx-5080-and-curious-why-nvidia-left-so-much-headroom/

On the other hand, Nvidia has apparently 'taken note' of the failed GPU reports that are 'piling up'.

So..... 🤷

[mighty patrol]

Guess we shall see

[grave sundial]

Lol. I feel like the 5x series from NVidia is like a Bethesda game.

Modders will fix. Overclockers will optimise.

They might as well ask opensource devs to make the drivers that actually work.

[mighty patrol]

Haha getting to be that time works for amd

I'm watching this rn lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IekrJ1yjzQ

[grave sundial]

If those propellers could be reoriented, it'd make one heck of a cooling system.

[mighty patrol]

Also the pc is basically a direct storage

So you can just upload anything to it

[grave sundial]

We should hurriedly develop an all-in-one CPU.

5GHz CPU with 32GB VRAM and 8TB storage, and 64GB DDR5 RAM.

Just one fat block.

Stick a drone.... er, air cooler on top and you're good to go.

[mighty patrol]

Agreed

[grave sundial]

Also, said block should come with a detachable Mjolnir hilt, which you can quickly attach to the block and use it to smash home intruders in the face.

All-in-one productivity+defence system.

[mighty patrol]

Make it modular but aio

[grave sundial]

When you attach the hilt, the air cooler splits into multiple blades that become autonomous drones.

[mighty patrol]

repairability sake

[grave sundial]

They'll deal with the accomplices, while you kill the main villain.

[mighty patrol]

Like when a bard charms his foes

[grave sundial]

Who ya gonna call? AMDMAN!

If this is legit, 8TB nvme for $1,000 essentially is awesome.

It used to be $2,000.

Also that TBW, 4800, nice! My 4TB MSI has 3,600 TBW.

👀 Adata XPG 8TB Nvme is slightly cheaper than that. About 850-900 dollars.

🤔 I wonder why the prices have begun to fall.

Well, this makes me happy. I might grab one sometime next year. Then, I can install the other 500 odd games I have lying around.

I LOVE SPACE!!!! 👾

[mighty patrol]

Gen5

[orchid iron]

Isn't that pretty bad? With 3600tbw per 4T, that gets around 900tbw per terrabyte

Whereas 4800tbw per 8T is about 600tbw per terrabyte, which is average I guess

[grave sundial]

Assuming you don't read-write much, it's a bit of an improvement.
But yes, for very active users, it's fewer TBW than before.
On the bronze lining side, at least they didn't sell it at 3,600 TBW.

[orchid iron]

True

[grave sundial]

🤔 We should combine RAM and Nvme.

4.64TB drive. 64GB for RAM and 4TB for storage.

Bring the world together! In unity we trust... not the engine, the philosophy.

https://cdm.link/mac-unreal-m4-visuals/

Meanwhile, for MAC users.

[wise elbow]

isn't that basically what optane is?

[grave sundial]

Perhaps; seems like nascent tech at the moment.

---

👀 Apparently, Radeon is also the name of a motorcycle.

Cool; very cool.

[opaque pond]

is there any chance unreal might be having a hard time due to a computer spec issue?

[grave sundial]

sure. shoot us the specs.

[wise elbow]

do you have a gpu?

[grave sundial]

we need the rest.

and also the nature of your problem.

[opaque pond]

what rest

[grave sundial]

Your computer specs.

GPU, hard drive, OS, etc. etc.

[orchid iron]

looking at cpu and ram, you'll have no issues regarding them, but what about your GPU since that's the component that does the most work (assuming you aren't using integrated graphics)

[opaque pond]

RX 6000 , ADATA SX 8200 PNP , Windows 10 Pro

[grave sundial]

The RX6000 is a GPU series.
We need to know the specific GPU.

Is it 6600, 6700XT, 6750?

The ADATA nvme seems fine.

[opaque pond]

6600

[grave sundial]

Ok. So what problem are you facing with Unreal Engine?

Is it slow? Is it crashing?

[wise elbow]

specs seem fine

[orchid iron]

It is a fine GPU for starting out, shouldn't have problems unless you put very heavy assets in your scene

[opaque pond]

like its very slow

it feels like i am using a pc from 2005

everything in the UE UI is very slow to interact with

[orchid iron]

wait, how full is your ssd?

is it almost full or like halfway

[grave sundial]

And when did you buy your nvme? How old is it?

[opaque pond]

i have no idea how old it is

[grave sundial]

Ok. And about what Lab asked.

[opaque pond]

its uhh this full

[grave sundial]

How full is your drive?

[wise elbow]

turn the hardware scaling settings down maybe

in the editor

[grave sundial]

Ok. Is Unreal slow with a blank, empty project?

[orchid iron]

or very basic one?

[opaque pond]

its slow with my current project

[orchid iron]

because hardware specs are fine and shouldn't cause issues with light projects

[opaque pond]

like when editing blank blueprints or other assets

[orchid iron]

try making a new blank project, and make blueprint stuff, might be the project

[grave sundial]

Ok. One more question.
Is Unreal slow when you open up your project; like immediately after loading?

Or does it become slow after you do something or move around?

And do you see red text like this when UE is slow?

[opaque pond]

no tho i see something else related to nanite

[grave sundial]

Could you please tell us what that is? What do you see about nanite?

[orchid iron]

probably the gpu not supporting some nanite features, I doubt it would cause issues because I also get warnings

[opaque pond]

waiting for the project to load

it should take like 10ish minutes to load up

[orchid iron]

I feel ya xD

[opaque pond]

the empty project

[orchid iron]

yeah, I know, I also get similar loading times

after it finished loading, just let it vibe for a few extra minutes and then start checking things out

if EU is fine with blank project, then that means the issue is with your current project and you'll have to optimise it / use lighter assets

[grave sundial]

Also, are you using Unreal 5 or Unreal 4? Which version?

[orchid iron]

I don't think it matters much since I'm using unreal engine 5.5.2 with way worse specs and I don't have the issue he is mentioning

[grave sundial]

There's a problem with UE 4 and his graphics card.

Apparently, the issue was fixed with UE 5.

[orchid iron]

oh really? That's interesting

[grave sundial]

In UE 4, if you had your windows taskbar NOT set to auto-hide, UE 4 would lag hard.

Apparently, the taskbar created some kind of overlay that UE 4 did not like.

Setting to auto-hide magically solved the issue. 🤣 And they fixed the problem with UE 5.

[orchid iron]

magic software moment

[grave sundial]

And UE 5.2 has a problem with AMD graphics drivers too.

I am still trying to understand it, but something to do with High DPI mouse.

[orchid iron]

extra magical software moment

[grave sundial]

AND, another user solved his laggy UE by quitting MSI's Afterburner Riva Tuner software.

This was in UE 5.3.2.

And another by disabling MSI's whisper mode.

😓

[orchid iron]

I love it when software issues are really vague and bizarre, and solving the issue is even weirder xD

[delicate crystal]

My day job in a nutshell

[grave sundial]

I wish that Russian wrench/spanner worked for everything.

[delicate crystal]

Tge uk really wants to take tge lead in tge 1984 sweepstakes

[orchid iron]

the fate of any coding job, random issues and even more random fixes

[delicate crystal]

Its why we get the big bucks....well used too anyways

[opaque pond]

not a he but i am using 5.5.3

[opaque pond]

i am going to try that

[orchid iron]

so which UE version do you have?

[grave sundial]

5.5.3.

If shutting down MSI software solves the problem, I'll totally believe the anti-MSI AI threads I see on Reddit. 😄

[orchid iron]

MSI after burner isn't even from MSI (I think)

[grave sundial]

They are offering 4.6.5 and 4.6.6. on their website.

Whether they developed it originally, I don't know.

[opaque pond]

O

its much better without

[grave sundial]

Dang. Nice. 🙂

[orchid iron]

lmao

[opaque pond]

btw this is the error

[orchid iron]

the issue was weird, and the fix was weirder, very software moment

[grave sundial]

Okay, you can also do what #hardware message - this gentle person said.

[opaque pond]

the nanite one

[grave sundial]

🤔 That shouldn't cause slowdowns, no.

Reducing hardware scalability might improve UE's performance even more, like plinyvic said.

[opaque pond]

like now its very fine

[grave sundial]

Congrats. 🙂 I am glad you can now grind hours, and hours, and hours......... AND HOURS with your project.

⚙️

[grave sundial]

I always took that 'MSI software is crap' stuff on Reddit with a large grain of salt. But then again, I never let MSI run in the background on my system. 😄

Interesting to know Reddit got that right.

Apparently, their AI monitoring software is really draining on the system.

[orchid iron]

I never let unused programs run in the background, so that's something I'd have never known

[grave sundial]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/107enhm/msi_afterburner_developer_hasnt_been_paid_for_a/ - you'll laugh at this one. 😄

Tragicomedy. 😄

[orchid iron]

oof

[grave sundial]

Given they are offering updated versions, MSI probably found another poor sap to work in their dungeon.

[orchid iron]

sad

[grave sundial]

👀 Interesting find. Apparently, Twinmotion crashes if Afterburner and RivaTuner are running.

I haven't used Twinmotion myself, but I am suddenly VERY thankful I didn't get a Radeon for my new PC.

That's me being unfair to the GPU itself. It is a crap software issue.

[orchid iron]

ye

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3yG-t3S_8gM

did anyone got this issue?

[grave sundial]

I haven't. Now, you've made me curious about what a vapour chamber is.

[orchid iron]

widely used in high heat cases that doesn't involve water cooling

the 5090 FE has one

[grave sundial]

Is it meant for laptops?

[orchid iron]

idk, never heard of a vapor chamber for laptops

[grave sundial]

Very interesting.

Off the top of my head, where liquid of any kind is involved, I'd say orientation and flow direction play somewhat important to very important roles in efficiency.

So, what's happening here is that a vertical orientation is causing the evaporated heat to pile back on to the GPU and increase temps?

[orchid iron]

basically how a vapor chamber is supposed to work is that

It is placed right next to a heat source (example a CPU/GPU) and it heats up a liquid

The liquid evaporates and travels in heat pipes

Then after cooling it becomes a liquid again

The issue here is that it becomes a liquid and accumulates in the wrong area, so there isn't any next to the GPU die

[grave sundial]

🤔

One of the reasons I stick with nice air cooling is that I don't want to touch water.

There shall be no water shenanigans in my system, no sirrie bob!

[orchid iron]

what cpu cooler do you have?

[grave sundial]

Thermal Assassin dual tower.

[orchid iron]

put it upside down, so the heat pipes heat towards the ground, and the contact with the cpu is towards the sky

as a fun test

[grave sundial]

Perhaps if I disconnect the mobo from the case.

This case is heavy enough to withstand rocket thrusters.

[orchid iron]

lol

[grave sundial]

👀 UE update incoming.

5.5.3 now.

[orchid iron]

yeaaaaaaaaa

[fallen oasis]

Just hope you don't see any planes.

[grave sundial]

I only see the occasional holy warrior spider spinning webs all over my desk.

[wise elbow]

iirc the orientation of a GPU wont cause significant effects. vapor chamber flow is almost exclusively due to pressure changes and not passive air flow

they are standard in coolers these days

they function closer to how water wicks through paper than anything else

[orchid iron]

meanwhile the video

[wise elbow]

i dont see any numerical values and its in a closed case? airflow will be different in the case depending on orientation...

the OP even states in comments that hes not convinced the orientation of the heat pipes is what was causing that

i could only see it being an issue at really low loads where cooling doesnt even really matter

[orchid iron]

where did you see that? I can't find it in the comments

[naive cloak]

Rich people problems...

I dont think vapor chambers like this care about the orientation, vapor will push the condensation back to the heat plate

is ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 4060 EVO OC Edition 8GB GDDR6 worth it for 260$?

or ASUS ProArt GeForce RTX 4060 Ti OC Edition 16 GB GDDR6 for 512$?

[grave sundial]

Get the OC edition for 16GB.

I am using MSI's Ventus OC version.

So far, no problems. Performance has also been good.

For reference, I am using a WQHD resolution.

[naive cloak]

but then if I add ~100$ I can find 4070 probably

[grave sundial]

Sure. 👍

[naive cloak]

its too complicated

[grave sundial]

I wasn't being sarcastic.
You should buy whatever you can afford.

For UE specifically, more VRAM is good VRAM.

So getting 12-16GB is better than 8.

Considering I can run those sample projects in UE rather nicely at my WQHD resolution, I am happy with my gpu. 😄

[naive cloak]

if I will ever start to work on video game I think I will use other engine, there is no way I will ever be able to run UE5...

[grave sundial]

Why?

With a modern video card, you can easily run it.

[naive cloak]

if I will buy new GPU I will give it one last chance

[grave sundial]

what's your current gpu?

[naive cloak]

iGPU AMD 610M

[grave sundial]

Ah, I see.

Well, I can assure you of one thing.

The 4060ti is infinitely better than the 610m. 😄

And you can run UE just fine, no worries.

By the way, you may not prefer to do so, but you can also buy an NVidia 3x series card, if they are available cheaply.

[naive cloak]

they cost almost the same

[grave sundial]

3070, 3080, 3090 - those are still very good even today.

Right, but if you get a sweet deal somewhere for one of those, you can settle for them too.

Coming from your existing gpu, they're great upgrades and you can make a UE project easily.

[naive cloak]

3090 cost 3000$+ 🤣

[grave sundial]

huh? $1200 here. 24GB 3090.

Are you buying a Trump GPU by any chance?

Inflated by tariffs?

[naive cloak]

I am looking on Amazon 🤷‍♂️

[grave sundial]

Noob, I've got something amazing for you.

[naive cloak]

most of the cards are renewed

[grave sundial]

The Zotac 3090 24GB is under $1000.

Check in your country.

Zotac specifically.

who cares if it's renewed? if it works, that's fine. 😄

[naive cloak]

but even then it cost more than MSRP 😱 💸

[grave sundial]

Hmm, you may want to look at other markets then.

Here, they are under $1,000.

[naive cloak]

I think I will wait, maybe 50 series will finally appear and 40 will be cheaper (🤣 )

[grave sundial]

Don't bet on it.

Unless China's indigenous GPU becomes hyper-competitive against NVidia, the chances are slim.

OR Intel fixes the bugs with Arc (as it is doing) quicker and brings it on par with mid-high tier NVidia cards.

Btw, I assume you are using a laptop?

The UK markets often have used laptops for sale which are in good condition.

[naive cloak]

then Arc will also cost the x3 MSRP and will not be available to buy...

[grave sundial]

My friend there purchased one for $1,000-ish and it had TWO NVidia 970M cards. You might find a similarly sweet deal.

[naive cloak]

I have mobile CPU but on ITX motherboard

[grave sundial]

either way, look at used PCs.

Given how 'primitive' your iGPU is, even a nice cheap deal will leapfrog your capacity to do awesome stuff.

[naive cloak]

I dont want to deal with used parts, too risky

[grave sundial]

🤷

Then, you must suffer.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/6772c09d7140321f45f07e19fde3045f/tumblr_inline_p3jjwdOvfA1uhtmbe_500.gifv

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-star-wars-return-of-the-jedi-rotj-death-star-gif-24574224

Asus has 8 models of 5070 🤦‍♂️ , and 6 models of 5070 TI (for now)

[grave sundial]

in stock?

if not, it might be a way to overbook orders.

[naive cloak]

but they allow to compare only up to 4 items

on their site

[grave sundial]

open the site in two windows.

use one base model and set up two comparisons, covering all the models, one in each window, side by side.

Are those models in stock? I feel it's sus.

[naive cloak]

no, just catalog of all the models

[grave sundial]

Aha!

[naive cloak]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/all-series/filter?Category=NVIDIA&SubSpec=354388

[grave sundial]

I'd look at Sapphire, too.

Their cooling solutions are apparently VERY good.

[naive cloak]

I dont understand why they make 12GB version, they are wasting GPU chip that way

[grave sundial]

It's to appeal to those who like compromises.

Customers who don't want to buy 8, but can't afford 16, but want to feel like they are getting a good number with a bit more cash than 8.

Those are usually not people who read technical info and performance analyses.

[naive cloak]

if they get 100 5070 GPU chips for example, 16GB should not cost much more than 12GB, but now they make 50 of 16GB and 50 of 12GB, so we have scarcity of 16GB cards and the price goes up

btw if they really wanted to stop scalpers they could have done it easily buy asking for buyer id 🤷‍♂️

[grave sundial]

they have no interest in doing that.

why would they? for them, it's all sales.

[naive cloak]

they are the "scalpers"...

[grave sundial]

If an alien buys 1,000 5090's to destroy Earth, they'd happily sell the GPUs to said alien.

[naive cloak]

must be very rich alien

[grave sundial]

nah. the alien would just use its poop.

The poop's extra-terrestrial properties would make it equivalent to our gold.

easy cash.

[naive cloak]

brown gold

[grave sundial]

could be purple. alien, remember?

Ok. This is not an equivalent comparison, but right now, in India, the 3060 12GB is roughly $300 and the 7600 XT 16GB is roughly $450.

Yes, the latter released 2 years later and is 18%-ish better than the former, but yeah, there does seem to be a price difference, depending on the region.

If you are a bit of a casual customer, who doesn't look too deeply, you'd prefer the cheaper version with a two digit VRAM count. 😄

[naive cloak]

I want Nvidia card because it has better/native support for all the AI stuff

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but I don't think you are a casual customer. 🙂

Those 12s aren't aimed at ya. 😄

[naive cloak]

also my case can only support 3 slot GPU

[grave sundial]

4070ti 16GB is roughly $1,000.

Ahhh, a more equivalent comparison. The 4070 super with 12GB is roughly $900.

---

Thank you.

[naive cloak]

is it possible to setup bot or something that will automatically remove all messages with links that have steamcommunity in them?

[grave sundial]

that might be problematic if someone links a forum thread?

or a nice screenie?

[naive cloak]

use regex to make sure its valid steam community link

[grave sundial]

Ok. Get to work then. 😛

Holy Mother of Inflation!!!!

https://www.amazon.in/Dell-Alienware-R16-i9-14900KF-Processor/dp/B0D45QXPCC

$4,937.85

[naive cloak]

if it has 4090, its actually cheap 😂 , you buy the card and get the rest for free

[grave sundial]

EXCEPT, they are offering 32GB instead of 64GB RAM. Given how cheap RAM is, that's inexcusable.

Especially when you are charging the prices of medical treatments.

I wish AMD leapfrogs its iGPU tech swiftly.

They have an iGPU which is good for 1080p gaming now, but if they make one more leap, we can probably use it for half-decent UE work.

[naive cloak]

what iGPU model is it?

[grave sundial]

Radeon 8060S, I THINK.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-ai-max-395-strix-halo-apu-radeon-8060s-faster-than-rtx-4070-1080p-gaming-benchmarks/

This article has some info.

If I understand this correctly, the ASUS ROG Flow Z13 has it.

[naive cloak]

they have PC version of this CPU?

[grave sundial]

no idea. AMD's marketing and communication leaves a bit to be desired.

ok, it's the Rog Flow X16.

Comes with the AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS CPU.

[naive cloak]

I dont need laptop, maybe if Minisforum will make barebone motherboard with that CPU with sane price I will buy it

[grave sundial]

yeah. that's why I wish AMD would get a move on and leapfrog that tech.

If they make a cool CPU with a powerful iGPU, indie devs can afford cheaper, quality hardware.

[naive cloak]

Radeon 8060S: New iGPU from AMD is comparable to GeForce RTX 3060

[orchid iron]

meanwhile me on UE 5.5 with a 960m 3gb
"ah yes, rich people problems"

[naive cloak]

how much FPS you have in editor? is it single digit number?

[orchid iron]

idk, I capped the fps at 60, so more than 60 ig

[naive cloak]

how?

[orchid iron]

UE 5.5 is quite well optimised

[grave sundial]

yeah. and the 960-970-980 series, both desktop and M variants, were good GPUs by Nvidia.

I still have my laptop with 970m and it works very well.

[orchid iron]

chad series

really good pricing back then too

[grave sundial]

those were the times before replacement consumerism took over.

Things were built to last back then, young'uns.

[median marsh]

that's still pretty wild tho

if they scale it they might compete with nvidia again 🤷

[grave sundial]

indeed.

they must hurry.

like electrocutedly encouraged bunnies.

[median marsh]

i don't think so, they probably just focus on AI right now (but guess whatever they do there may benefit their GPUs, too)

[grave sundial]

I mean.... energiser bunnies.

🤷 sadly, many golden opportunities are missed by Perception stat being less than 1. 😄

If they don't, I hope that Chinese company developing its own GPU does. I forget its name. Begins with L, if I recall.

[agile lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDqy0jmLVY

[naive cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=61OV0dtNakw

Water cooling L for Jay

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41eZsOYUVx0

Here we go again

[median marsh]

is that a video about ONE reddit post?

where it more looks like the connector of the PSU blew up as weak spot, since the connector on the GPU side doesn't look too damaged

[wise elbow]

apparently a third party cable was unhappy

i didnt think you were ever supposed to plug a 3rd party cable into your PSU. pretty sure the pins out of the PSU are not standardized at all

not ruling out square peg into round hole...

[orchid iron]

While the first few minutes go over how it happened (3rd party cable that was used previously by a 4090 for a long while)
The rest of the video goes over how Nvidia doesn't do proper work to actually make sure this stops being an issue

And even shows easy ways to prevent these events from happening (funny enough ASUS put a decent system to detect when there is an issue...but as he mentions, if the GPU suspects the cable may not be seated properly it should just shut off)

[wise elbow]

really maybe they just shouldn't be making a GPU that eats 600W

[orchid iron]

That's fair, but main issue is mostly the fact that the connector itself is just worse than the standard 8pin that everyone else was using

[mighty patrol]

Did they forget to plug it in all the way 😮

Hopefully it's 5090d's

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/gIK7iUwRgaE?si=JF4oe14OJc8TZwSQ

[orchid iron]

the 5090 Super is already out?

[naive cloak]

RTX 50 series cards are like Schrödinger's cat, its both released and not released at the same time 🤷‍♂️

[mighty patrol]

Backordered till 21st here

[plush turret]

are these essentially the same?
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Armored-Industrial-Multimode-Installed/dp/B0CYGJ35GP/
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Industrial-Multimode-Installed-𝙍𝙖𝙢𝙗𝙤𝘾𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚𝙨/dp/B0D99XR3HJ/

[orchid iron]

That's what a paper launch is, we know the specs, we have the cardboard boxes of the cards, but we don't have the actual GPU
Anyways I'm now looking up how to install a cardboard box in my computer case to make me feel better xD

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw

[mighty patrol]

Too hot

[orchid iron]

From debauer video, he uses a high end Corsair PSU plugged to a 5090

[grave sundial]

holy....

[mighty patrol]

Oh

[grave sundial]

If that's legit, just run your 5090s in a forge or something. 😄

Might as well make some smithy tools while gaming. 😄

[mighty patrol]

Yo new goal for basically homeless

Turn his pc into a forge

He already did an oven

[orchid iron]

No "3rd party" cables, just high end Corsair cables made for this...I don't think it is physically realistic though xD

[mighty patrol]

Still worry about my 4090 lol

[orchid iron]

Btw, he just did 5 minutes of furmark

[mighty patrol]

Rip

[grave sundial]

well, homeless employment scheme.

along with entertainment.

Make metal tools, sell them with drugs on the sidewalk.

Enjoy your life. Become productive.

Pay 500% taxes.

Government will fund your 5090.

[mighty patrol]

Apply for a grant

Governments love those

[orchid iron]

Debauer straight up said he is afraid to run furmark for an hour with the 5090 lmao

[mighty patrol]

I wouldn't do 10 mins

Not on those drivers

Too many things can go wrong with software

[orchid iron]

A single cable out of 12 was carrying 20 amps, when it is rated for lower, yikes

[orchid iron]

The best part is that debauer didn't even do anything special, just run the 5090 on furmark with a high end PSU for 5 minutes

[plush turret]

Is there a reason to unspool fiber cable when testing? I know spooled ethernet has serious impedance

[wise elbow]

probably not unless it's coiled so tightly that it's broken

[mighty patrol]

Na it bounces at a 45 degree angle or something so it can travel quicker

[wise elbow]

lol

[mighty patrol]

https://www.britannica.com/science/fiber-optics

[wise elbow]

what about it?

[mighty patrol]

Fiber Optics Prisms
Reflecting prisms in fiber optics are used to redirect light beams and change their orientation without inverting the image, which is useful in various optical systems. These prisms can replace mirror assemblies and are often used in applications such as binoculars, periscopes, and surveying equipment.

So it can bend

[wise elbow]

yeah it can bend up until you break the fibers and destroy the cable

[mighty patrol]

Ofc

[plush turret]

Shipping coil

[wise elbow]

can't imagine it would change anything if you uncoiled it then

[plush turret]

Just plugging it into the converters and putting it in the hardwire line to test speed before i bury it

Once i bury it, i cant really replace it easy

[mighty patrol]

Just mark off where you bury to make it easier

[plush turret]

Digging up isnt the issue insomuch as digging it up from almost a meter under ground

[wise elbow]

hole digging hard!

[mighty patrol]

True most people can't get these, https://www.panduit.com/content/dam/panduit/en/products/media/5/85/185/4185/110974185.pdf

[plush turret]

80 meters of hole digging hard

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-dig-diggy-diggy-diggy-hole-gif-24120660

[timber cobalt]

I would lay a conduit in the ground. We can get away with simple hdpe water pipe as well.

So if there is an issue the wire can be replaced

[plush turret]

its only 12% speed loss

which i attribute to the fact that it went from 2 ports to 8 ports in the connection

[naive cloak]

omg, I hoped it was in F units but then you said that its from debauer video, I think its time to use terminal connector on GPUs 🥲

[violet spade]

lol here we go again with the faulty high power adapters https://youtu.be/Ndmoi1s0ZaY?si=Rv4-pgS1r8j6Nkyd

[grave sundial]

It's a feature.

Be nice.

[violet spade]

Ah so that’s why it’s premium pricing, for the bonfire featurette

[grave sundial]

Also a makeshift tinderbox, in case you need to light said bonfire, in the middle of the woods.

[plush turret]

how the fck have they not fixed this problem, like by changing how it connects a TINY bit

[grave sundial]

because we like making long strides for mankind.

tiny movements are just meh.

[mighty patrol]

It's not their gpus burning it's customers

[grave sundial]

Don't worry. Wait for the 5090 Super Ti Express, which will connect to your wall outlet directly.

It'll blow your main fuses reliably and conserve valuable energy for the environment.

[plush turret]

i know the problem

but there has to be a solution

beyond darwin awards

[grave sundial]

whenever they fix it, they'll probably issue replacements to people who purchased it.

It costs too much and if people sue them, they'll be liable for a LOT of money.

So, the best thing to do is wait and waste money on something else - for those who purchased this.

[plush turret]

is there an audio nuts discord? i know theres a monitor nut discord

[grave sundial]

By that, I assume you're asking about a server for audiophiles?

There's a discord by Sound Design, that's supposed to be for audio enthusiasts.

There's also Noise podcast server and The Green Room server, for audio tech related stuff.

I haven't joined them myself, so you'll have to check on their status.

[mighty patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/mhu76i/discord_server/

This comment Are you kidding? Discord is mono. Not even the crosstalk worshiping vinyl listeners would stoop to that level. ;-)

[plush turret]

tbh reddit is usually really damned slow for answers

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

It's been less popular

[plush turret]

discord you can sit and have a convo not trade forum board messages

which are annoying

[naive cloak]

I get ~30 fps in editor when running 3rd person sample, but if I remove volumetric cloud fps increase to ~70 🤯

[grave sundial]

If you have any MSI software running in the background, disable them.

[mellow galleon]

thats just silly, trying to push over 50A over few thin cables. saw charts that 5090 sometimes can peak 900W power consumption which is way over the spec and cable capacity

expecting 6090 would feature 2x 12VHP connectors

😄

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw

this is the real problem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821821368017485885/1338882171796197436/Screenshot_20250211_153929_Firefox.jpg?ex=67ad5b70&is=67ac09f0&hm=4ac364711877dd10f3fd3258313c24c205a41ef56cf9346ca731b9fbc0f7131d&

which creates this...under full load (no Overclocking, the PSU used is a high end corsair model)

this is 570 watts

...in 4 minutes...

[mighty patrol]

Are they not pushing it in all the way?

[orchid iron]

Nope

[mighty patrol]

Noobs

[orchid iron]

But because of lack of safety features 2 out of 6 power cables get over the amp limit, and the other 4 barely gets any amps

So this issue can happen to anyone that has this cable
4090, 5090, 4080, 5080

Even if they don't overclock

[mighty patrol]

Yeah

Baby those cards

[orchid iron]

Imagine being forced into power limiting the 4090 or 5090 to 300 watts because the connector was poorly designed

[mighty patrol]

Need zotac connectors

[orchid iron]

Zotac has actually been getting to a good quality, which is surprising

[naive cloak]

Asus BTF GPU connector can provide up to 600W, next version should be able to handle 1000W, maybe it will work better than the melting cable

[wind egret]

You're still plugging in a 12VHPWR cable, that it's going into the back of the motherboard instead of the GPU. Can the motherboard do the load balancing that way?

[tough owl]

not really, PCIE spec only goes up to 175W I believe

[wind egret]

The BTF connector goes from GPU to motherboard, and the motherboard (at least of the ones asus is advertising) has a 12VHP and 3 PCIE 8pins on the back. I suppose you'd plug in all four if you wanted 1000 watts.

either you get the motherboard burning out the 12vhp connector, or the motherboard does the load balancing that the 5090 won't when the connector is poorly seated.

[orchid iron]

Main issue of the Nvidia connector is the lack of load balancing of any kind, allowing 1 wire to carry the load of 600 watts instead of evening dividing it among 6 wires

And well, a load distribution system would also very easily detect any improper cable seating

[orchid iron]

It seems Nova lake will likely have a 16p+32e core configuration 0.0
Hopefully one day they'll get rid of that useless NPU, the GPU is enough and better

[naive cloak]

we dont need E cores

and there will be no hyperthreading

[orchid iron]

I'm designing a custom chassis and I was wondering how much bend can Thermaltake premium riser cables 4.0×16 can take?
And same with 3x8pin cables

What's the largest angle you guys have taken these cables through?

[north arch]

angle is the wrong unit there, you care about bend radius

[delicate crystal]

just was asked if I know anyone that wanted a threadripper 3970x with a gigabyte trx40 board for ~1000 USD

[delicate crystal]

that sounds really low, at least to me

[mighty patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8JG_l2F_eA

[plush turret]

if you were going to put 2 ceiling speakers where in here would you put them?

red: in wall amp
blue: main pc

[orchid iron]

I'm guessing they are located in the US?

[wise elbow]

the current 12vhpwr cables are just funny

technically any power over 600W through them is out of spec

i get that the only way board partners could increase performance was with a massive overclock, but exceeding that spec by 300W is just irresponsible

[mighty cosmos]

I wonder if the power spikes over 600W are through the power connector alone and how much of it is through the PCIE

[mellow galleon]

afaik PCIE standard has a fixed upper power output of 175W

thats why extra power cables being used

[orchid iron]

just look at "Actually Hardcore Overclocking" 's video, he explains how running these cables over 300 watts (not over 300 watts over the spec limit, just over 300 watts peroid) is a fire hazard waiting to happen

[tough owl]

at least it's not 4090 shunt-mod level consumption yet

that boi can suck up well over 1kW

[agile lodge]

transient spikes what show on spikes on very short term on power graphs

[delicate crystal]

Canada. Tge price is us since most here are from there

[fervent jolt]

i mean can't you buy a substantially faster CPU/mobo for about the same amount, and it's brand new?

[mighty patrol]

Not a 3970x threadripper

[wise elbow]

^

[mighty patrol]

Those are like 3-4k lol

Depending on where you live

Can find used ones for like 1200 usd

[fervent jolt]

my point is that you would be an idiot to buy a 3970x over a 9950x?

[mighty patrol]

But you are forgetting ones threadripper

They have different uses

[wise elbow]

3970x is double the core count of a 9950x

[mighty patrol]

If you do lots of compiling etc you will want threadripper

[fervent jolt]

and probably like half the speed of every core since it's old as balls

[mighty patrol]

6 years old?

Lol

[wise elbow]

it's fairly old

[mighty patrol]

For unreal that's not that bad

[wise elbow]

though it'll probably still annihilate a 9950x in multicore

[mighty patrol]

Not amazing

[wise elbow]

unless you're running lots of vms and only use multicore, 9950x is probably better in modern day

[fervent jolt]

people build all of UE5 in a 9950x in like 20 minutes... maybe a 3970x gives you 15 minutes, and is way worse in single core usage

anyway

[wise elbow]

biggest advantage is PCIE lanes

[mighty patrol]

New thread rippers should be a better advantage regardless

[wise elbow]

they would suck in anything single core

[mighty patrol]

https://i.imgur.com/fav6KRs.png

[mighty cosmos]

9950x is gonna be faster even in multithreading in most cases

That threadripper is prehistoric

[fallen oasis]

protects the ears of his 3 series tr

[delicate crystal]

I mean I'm running a 1920 TR so 😄

but ya i do a lot of coding and VM work, it's just that my current setup isn't happy with Unreal (which i'm not surprised, there's some components that are junk, like the OS and vid card is only 8gb

just thought the price for that was "that's....low"

[orchid iron]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qt4RhFwTMhw

[agile lodge]

https://youtu.be/6FJ_KSizDwM?si=4JlpEGVXRcFgUOtW

[grave sundial]

Is it just me, or does that thumbnail look like a damaged Mechwarrior chassis?

[median marsh]

I still can't get over how ANYONE with even a basic understanding of electricity could look at a 12vhp plug and say "yeah that's totally safe"
that's so true 😄

[orchid iron]

It fought a hard battle despite the designer making a really poor job
In the end it lost, but it fought bravely, we shall remember it forever as a shit cable

[grave sundial]

An L Laser Cable that suffered from overridden overheating.

[open lintel]

I'm not usually active here, but i don't know where to seek help and clarity for internal hdd problem even after googling it. My local drive partition has turned raw, a SMART tool helped me see some problems with sectors which i don't understand at all. I'd appreciate if someone could help me go through my options, other than getting a new hdd which i eventually will.

[grave sundial]

Is this an HDD/SSD, internal or external? How old is it? Which company's? What's the capacity? How full was it before it failed / the errors occurred?

[north arch]

just like an urbie

[open lintel]

Internal hdd WD10EZEX, about a decade old, 1 TB, 3 partitons C: D: and E: While C: and E: are being accessed without problems, only D: isn't, asked to format.
C: is 100gb with 38gb free, E: is 366gb with 266gb free, D: might have had 100gb free space but inaccessible now.

Before this, over year and a half ago I had slow booting problems, but that was "fixed" and i was able to use my pc without any hdd related problems. However I did get high disk usage, mostly in recent days.

[grave sundial]

What was on D:?
Were you accessing something on it when it failed?

[open lintel]

The last time I successfully accessed was 2 days ago. My pc suddenly shut down. I didn't get enough time to check it yesterday, pc booted slow, I let the pending windows updates run in background. After all updates and reboots, then I noticed D: wasn't accessible.

D: had my personal stuff mostly, although i do have backup on a laptop, I still needed to be sure if I'm missing, coz it had quite some hobby related stuff regarding music. The projects are in that drive.

[grave sundial]

Well, from everything you have said, it seems to me that the hard disk is slowly failing. I had the same problem with an external HDD, which after MANY years began to work slowly, couldn't access data and eventually, the partition failed.

You can use software to try and retrieve the data from the broken partitions (unless you have already formatted the RAW partition). It is a LONG process and some or many files will be in an unusable state. However, software can get you some of your files back.

Next, you CAN format the RAW partition and create a new one, and keep using the drive. See if it becomes slow again, has trouble accessing files, etc. It probably will and that'll confirm that it's basically dying.

You can also use software to defragment the drive and move the 'bad sectors' outside the partitions, resulting in LESS overall space available. That'll give your HDD some 'extra' life, BUT the problem will eventually spread to the good sectors too.

At the end of the day though, you will have to buy a new hard drive.

Remember that file retrieval software won't work if you have already formatted the RAW partition or done something with it, after it failed.

[open lintel]

Understood. I haven't formatted it yet, won't at least i get to access it and confirm if some of absolute necessary files can be recovered which are my projects and can't be redownloaded from the internet. I found softwares such as Easeus and some other for recovery, available on trial but not sure which one to pick.

[grave sundial]

I have used EaseUS for moving partitions around. It is good.

I am not sure if file recovery is available with the demo, though.

[mint lichen]

Hi Im using MSI Pro B650 S wifi motherboard, so how to Update Bios on it please guide me!?

[wise elbow]

read the manual

[grave sundial]

You can find said manual on MSI's website.

In fact, everything you need to update the BIOS is also found there.

Check the SUPPORT section on their site.

[median marsh]

and throw the board away if it's not like this...

• Download firmware and put it on fat32 formated USB stick
• go to bios and select bios update

[viral seal]

Anyone have any experience with Dell XPS 16 9640 laptop with a 4070gpu and terrible unreal performance? Guessing its a drivers thing?

[tough owl]

check which gpu is it using

[violet spade]

And with laptops make sure it’s actually charging so it doesn’t go into potato performance mode

[viral seal]

The lapto doesn't seem to want to swap away from the Intel arc gpu

[violet spade]

lol Intel Arc

[viral seal]

Haha

[violet spade]

I’d say you’ve found your problem

[viral seal]

It's a new work laptop

[violet spade]

Bios should allow you to switch to the Nvidia one unless there’s something wrong with the hardware or you’re bios locked

[viral seal]

We tried to disable it

Ohhh

Bios

Yeah

this laptop doesnt even have real function keys

have to gigure out how to get into the bios

[tough owl]

you can set the gpu manually in windows graphics settings

for specific applications

[viral seal]

Admin hooked me up and I got into the bios. I disabled the intel GPU

[tough owl]

I dont recommend that

because drumroll the internal display is hooked to the intel gpu

[viral seal]

ok well so far so good

windows booted and the display works still. Shweew.

[tough owl]

and you will have a terrible battery life unplugged

[viral seal]

probably

bun unreal is working!

its supposed to be a workstation replacement, were not doing anything too grazy in UE and most likely this thing will be plugged to a monitor and charging while I work.

[tough owl]

you'll run into trouble later on

[violet spade]

You should be able to just set Nvidia as primary

But idk what your bios looks like

[tough owl]

laptop bios is purely decorational

compared to desktop equivalents at least

[violet spade]

Fun

[plush turret]

I am overkilling the "smurf tubing" in my new house

the main PC plugins to go to the rest of the house has 16 ports, and has a full 2 inch diameter pipe going into the attic, glued into the electrical box.

i think i can toss plenty of cables down it before its clogged

[plush turret]

do i need multiple zone audio systems if i want the same music to my whole house/areas i want to put speakers to the same amp?
channels being the simple ability to turn off a specific room/area if setup properly

[grave sundial]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/intels-latest-security-update-has-this-big-warning-for-amd-and-nvidia-customers/articleshow/118239569.cms

Okay...

I assume they'll patch all this, no?

@naive cloak https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-ai-max-395-strix-halo-mini-pc-tested-powerful-apu-up-to-140w-power-128-gb-variable-memory-igpu/ - A test of the AI MAX CPU with that cool iGPU we chatted about before.

[mighty patrol]

This is probably a better reference for vulnerabilities. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-238/Intel.html

amd had 12 pages

[grave sundial]

Yeah, but that article was about Intel screaming at NVidia and AMD.

This one is about Intel's flaws.

😄

[mighty patrol]

Intel has more than 12

🤷

[grave sundial]

Yes, but we are pointing the fingers at 'others' first. 😛

[mighty patrol]

https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/7043/

280 vulnerabilities

vs 1719

on intels side

I will trust amd lol

[grave sundial]

I just hope ALL of them with patch their stuff quick, quick.

[mighty patrol]

Doubt it

A lot of these are zero days

With bug bounties going to this day

At least enough to matter

[grave sundial]

We should put AI to work on them.

[mighty patrol]

Lol

I don't think we really want that

They will get lost in the code bases

Computers arent powerful enough to read entire repos

[grave sundial]

They might as well make advances there.

Better than giving us flaming POS(s).

[mighty patrol]

Think I saw something recently that google dismantled their super computer

[grave sundial]

Watson?

[mighty patrol]

Idk I just remember they had Ryan Montgomery on the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6w4SX7ZJMQ

Major Ralph Wiggum vibes

[grave sundial]

I like the advances AMD made with the Radeon 8060S.

[mighty patrol]

I been leaning more amd daily, my cpu has been amd for a while

[grave sundial]

Honestly, if I could reverse time and re-buy a PC, I might choose this Strix laptop instead.

Would save me $1,500-ish.

[mighty patrol]

What you running

[grave sundial]

7800x3d, 4060ti 16gb, 64gb Vengeance RAM, 4TB MSI Nvme.

Plus all the peripherals and WQHD monitor.

[mighty patrol]

Nice

[grave sundial]

For what it's worth....

I'll always compare stuff to my GTX 970m.

Used it for such a long time. 😄

[mighty patrol]

I had one of those lol

It died

[grave sundial]

Btw, the 8060s is supporting 2560x resolution.

[mighty patrol]

Replaced it with a 1050 ti

[grave sundial]

I still have mine.

I love it. 🙂

My precious! 😄

[mighty patrol]

I liked it when it worked

[grave sundial]

How dare you be practical!

😛

[mighty patrol]

1050 ti phoenix works good as a sub though

I want to get a battlemage though

Just for testing purposes

[grave sundial]

It's priced nicely, the b580

[mighty patrol]

Agreed

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2080-vs-Arc-B580

[grave sundial]

Do you think that TDP will still be 55W, when the boost clock kicks in and the GPU goes to 2,900MHz?

This is the 8060S.

[mighty patrol]

Possible afaik

[grave sundial]

that's cool.

[mighty patrol]

Won't be by much

If it does increase

In all my benchmarking of my systems i've never actually exceeded my tdp

Furmark, heavyload, etc

[grave sundial]

2560x resolution for that TDP and high gaming performance.

Nicely done AMD.

I bet we can drop the res to 1080p and run UE like bosses.

Even sculpting software on drawing monitors.

[mighty patrol]

I wanna find a good sculpting tablet

[grave sundial]

Huions?

[mighty patrol]

That a brand

Nice

[grave sundial]

A drawing monitor will be my next purchase.

But, I am putting it off for when I get serious about devving.

Otherwise, it'll sit uselessly on the desk.

Speaking of, I also need to expand my desk in some fashion.